general-feedback-discussion

[urban flax]

It's abilities

[pulsar smelt]

abilities have nothing to do with diet tho in my argument. Im just saying to fit its character profile. Im not saying anything besides diet to be changed.

[urban flax]

Pachy is made to not be efficient at hunting other creatures, especially small one
It's main ability is one that functions best against big, slow targets

[rancid raptor]

pachy should not be made into an omnivore

[urban flax]

But current pachy isn't well fitted to be an omnivore
It would turn out weird to need to eat omething it's not able to get efficiently

[rancid raptor]

what will it have in its diet? utah?

[pulsar smelt]

best example.. bones, bones are calcium. pachy coco smashing bones for calcium.

[daring talon]

deino player

[pulsar smelt]

also, crabs

[urban flax]

Yeah but you also need to kill the holder of the bones in order to eat them
If pachy is changed into an omnivore (which I wouldn't really mind) it would need its abilities and stats changed accordingly

[rancid raptor]

It's not overpowered. It's clearly balanced and that is why devs have kept it that way for the past several years. All respect to you but I find your opinion very disagreeable

[pulsar smelt]

they dont NEED to kill animals to be omni. they can also scavenge for it

[daring talon]

stego isnt op because it hasnt been changed

evolve brain

[urban flax]

Crabs are fine
But maybe we're not thinking the same kind of omnivore

[rancid raptor]

It's not OP, it should just be more contestable. Never said it was OP

[tardy barn]

i have yet to see a crab personally despite actively looking for them as a pter once

[pulsar smelt]

omni isnt red meat eaters only cmon.

[urban flax]

A pachy that eats mostly plants and can compliment its diet with the occasionnal bone or small animal should work

[urban flax]

Yeah mb I was thinking about it the wrong way

[pulsar smelt]

thats my argument.. not some bloodthirsty carni in herbie clothing lol

[daring talon]

https://youtu.be/D0ADgkBVVA4?t=189 balanced

should cost more

[tardy barn]

real take why can there be 10 deinos in the same 3 inches of river

[urban flax]

What's misleading is you said it would work well with pachy being super-aggressive

[rancid raptor]

That carno was not minding its surroundings at all. Yeah, that is super balanced and the carno deserved to get bodied.

If you're a carno 100 meters into land and you get lunged by a deino, it is entirely your fault.....

[pulsar smelt]

I equate pachy to modern day rams/goats..

they arent fun to have around..

will bonk ANYTHING.

also eat anything..

[rancid raptor]

That is like saying "stego is overpowered, i was afk as a utah and a stego came up on me and oneshotted me" @daring talon it's not like the deino chased down the carno or something

the carno was very ignorant of its surroundings

[daring talon]

🤓

[daring talon]

the carno shouldnt have to expect a deino that far from water

[rancid raptor]

the carno was ignorant of its surroundings, it deserved to die lol

[daring talon]

thats like telling me to expect a stego in the middle of the ocean

[rancid raptor]

the carno should always look around????

every player should look around? if you don't look around, you're dead??? that's common knowledge, it's your fault if you die

[daring talon]

it would be fine if bro had died to a land animal that shuold be expected there

[tardy barn]

deinos shouldn't be able to grab a adult carno and drag it 100m to a river.

[daring talon]

but no bro died to the creature that is semi aquatic and relies on water

because he got grabbed a mile inland

[tardy barn]

that's the point of the argument not that the carno played bad

[rancid raptor]

the carno was ignorant of its surroundings and completely deserved it lol

[daring talon]

deino is literally immortal vs not stegos

[rancid raptor]

the carno was bad and it wasn't looking around, it was likely afk

[daring talon]

If a deino is fighting a carno a mile from the water

bro can m2 and drown the carno
that is not fair

[rancid raptor]

if you can't see a deino approach you that far into land as a carno, that's your fault and your skill issue

[urban flax]

I mean the deino was invisible inside a bush

[tardy barn]

ok? so how does that make deino being able to drag you for 2-3 business weeks to the nearest river ok at all

deino is insanely busted

[daring talon]

he is simply the most skilled player ever to play the game you are clearly just bad trust me

[urban flax]

The fact it could run so far with a carno between its jaws is definitely problematic

[rancid raptor]

only way we could prevent that (balanced) is to make deino dehydrate faster, which would cause other problems.

lunge is not overpowered at all

[tardy barn]

you're strawmaning

[daring talon]

You drowning because you got hit by 1 attack a mile inland is balanced

trust me im skilled

[tardy barn]

You flatly shouldn't be able to carry something that big that far as deino

[daring talon]

(Utah would be understandable)

[rancid raptor]

nerfing deino's stam can cause other problems
@daring talon main opinion is that lunge should generally be nerfed

which is why 33 people hated it lol

like come on here. lets get real.

[daring talon]

yes
you shouldnt grab a carno a mile inland and be able to drwn it

[tardy barn]

ideally deino will be nerfed by making their environment worse for them instead of direct nerfs to their ability to ambush imo

[rancid raptor]

lunge is not OP.

Yes a deino should not be able to run that far with a carno in its mouth, but lunge is not OP and should not get nerfed the way you suggested

(and it will never get nerfed the way you suggested either, as it will worsen the game)

[daring talon]

idk man i just want the semi aquatic to be punished for going inland

[tardy barn]

cleaner water, not being forced to cross water as much etc

[rancid raptor]

exactly

[urban flax]

Subadult deino has absurd stam, I don't think there's anything wrong with reducing it to be not that massively superior to an adult's

[rancid raptor]

gateway level design will help with this

[daring talon]

alright that makes more sense
I thought you were saying someone dying for getting grabbed 8 miles from the water was fair

[tardy barn]

this is very fair

and i agree 100% but that's most juvies and sub adults

[urban flax]

Also saying the only way to solve it ould be to make deino dehytrate quicker is wrong, there's also the option of making lunge better and not just a 1-click kill

[tardy barn]

like 50% carno is unironically better than adult atm

[rancid raptor]

it should be very superior to an adult's stam

However it should get nerfed in a way for it to decrease faster on land while having a creature in its mouth

[daring talon]

(this particular carno sure i guess cuz he was afk and would've been bitten to death anyways)

[urban flax]

Yeah, it's just more a problem with deino because its stamina is a reserve for easy kills

[rancid raptor]

lol so why did you use it as your main example?

[daring talon]

(But a non afk carno shouldnt fear drowning to a deino thats such a massive distance from water)

[daring talon]

I couldnt find another

Non afkers know how hilariously stupid deino is and as such dont attempt to fight it even when its that far inland just due to instant death

[tardy barn]

Yea i don't think that deino should be able to carry you to that much of an extreme

[rancid raptor]

(a non afk carno would never have to worry about being lunged by a deino on land, if you do get lunged on land you're skill issued)

[urban flax]

If you were drowned while a few hundreds of meters away from the nearest source of water you can't deny there is kind of a problem with the game...

[rancid raptor]

Don't nerf its overall stam, nerf its stam while it has a creature in its mouth. specially on land

that's the more balanced alternative

[tardy barn]

yea i agree

[rancid raptor]

you're saying something i agree with here, already suggested to nerf that thrice

[daring talon]

a carno shouldnt have to worry about being lunged by a deino on land
the afker would've died even if the deino couldnt carry him to water cuz funny bite
but if a carno wasnt afk and was fighting that deino then the deino shouldnt be capable of killing the carno with a lunge

[urban flax]

Also rework lunge
Because the way it functions now is very lackluster

[rancid raptor]

If a carno gets caught lacking by a deino on land apart from it being invisible in a bush, that carno deserved it

[rancid raptor]

rework lunge how?

[daring talon]

yeah he should die because bros afk in a bush and gets bit in the face twice

im not disagreeing that he should die

im disagreeing that the lunge should be capable of killing him THAT FAR from the water

[rancid raptor]

yeah he should die, but walking 100m with a creature in your mouth should not be possible - common sense

[daring talon]

yes

[rancid raptor]

drowning him* yeah, but lunge should not be nerfed overall at all lol

[daring talon]

so we agree but i dont know how to formulate feedback

yeah fair enough

[rancid raptor]

no we do not agree

[urban flax]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/1054325519048519754
Here's one way

[daring talon]

hold on let me add a few words

ok there g look again

[rancid raptor]

i'm confused. why are you mentioning "if it grabs a 6ton stego" as if deinos can drag anything above half its weight at all

[urban flax]

I mean he's right
Would you agree with rex having a 4k damage bite ? Because curent deino's lunge is functionnally the same thing

[rancid raptor]

current deino lunge is absolutely not the same thing unless it catches a player lacking near a water source.

[icy lion]

Read the first sentence of that image

[urban flax]

It's an attack that can instantly kill anything that has 4k hp or less. So, functionnally, it's like an attack that deals 4k damage in one hit.

[daring talon]

it has a stupid vacuum hitbox and definetly doesnt need to be near water (Imagine this carno wasnt afk and was fighting it but got lunged. The result would be the same) https://youtu.be/D0ADgkBVVA4?t=189

[rancid raptor]

Yeah but apart from it being equivalent to an LMB, as RMB has many requirements

[daring talon]

you say near a water source but that clearly isnt true

[rancid raptor]

i imagine that'll get changed eventually, a deino should not be able to run with a carno 100m

[tardy barn]

that's mostly a roster problem about deinos atm They're the apex of the island which is made to feel worse since they also get their own little area where no one other than themselves can go

[daring talon]

yes if it could only do it within like 10, maybe 20m it would be fair

but not a mile

[rancid raptor]

Your lunge nerf makes alot of sense, i just don't see why any deino would lunge a dino above half its weight to begin with
Unless it's with other deinos

[rancid raptor]

I mean it's great that players have to be very cautious around water

[urban flax]

The simple fact deino can lunge while out of the water is iffy to me
Maybe it could be better if deino was unable to lunge on land, but with a gratly increased range for lunging out of water

[urban flax]

It's to make it so a dino that is above 4 tons isn't instantly safe

[rancid raptor]

I agree that it wouldn't be very risky not to allow deino to lunge things that weigh many tons out of water, but maybe end up doing that drag-thing you mentioned

[daring talon]

me when deino has essentially a safezone to grow in and only needs to eat like twice to be an adult (The only thing that can kill it there is other deinos) but is suppossed to be a super hard to grow apex predator

[tardy barn]

yea that's a problem with it

canni as deino needs to be encouraged more

[urban flax]

With current lunge, a dino that is 4 tons must fear a deino and risk being oneshot, while a dino that is 4.1 tons is 100% safe from it, there is something wrong with that

[daring talon]

At least stego doesnt have like a stego bush that only stegos can enter
and if you enter it when a stego is there you get 1 shot

[rancid raptor]

it's not a safezone though. Other deinos in your water are pretty much equivalent to the dangers a utah has (for example) growing in land

[daring talon]

if a deino eats a deino there is still a deino in the water

[urban flax]

I'd say rather made more interesting, instead of first to bite automatically winning the fight

[daring talon]

If a sucho eats a deino there are less deinos

[rancid raptor]

yeah which is good because players should have an obligation to be cautious around water

[urban flax]

I think deino's combat and abilities are the worst designed of the entire roster

[daring talon]

it feels like beasts of bermuda mosasaurus but without the predators

[rancid raptor]

Your nerf on the lunge seems pretty good man that actually seems like something not many at all would complain about

[urban flax]

I'm glad that you agree with it

People would still complain tho
They always do

[tardy barn]

it's deino so i understand why they would

[urban flax]

Many people would simply get mad at the fact they need to think and not just click a button to get an easy kill

[rancid raptor]

Yeah people would complain but a way to spot a good change is to observe that not many complain on it

some do but not many at all

[tardy barn]

losing 3+ hours of grow time due to your forced deino interaction mechanic (thirst) doesn't feel very good

[daring talon]

if a creature gets a funny 1 shot move

it should take brainpower

[rancid raptor]

People need to have an obligation regarding caution around water. It needs to be there. Passive fear around drinking water from a river should always be there.
It makes the game more immersive. Not the same as how water was free, essentially, in legacy.

[urban flax]

Yes that's the problem
If you're under 4 tons, the only way to survive a deino interaction is to not interact with it

[tardy barn]

it would be less problematic if deino interactions were less black and white as they are now
You ether see them before they one shot you or they one shot you

[daring talon]

some kind of middle ground

[tardy barn]

hopefully with cleaner water on gateway this will be less bad

[daring talon]

perhaps packmates could help pull against the deino

[burnt bone]

@lucid bridge The weird line thing at the top IS the navigation bar. Up arrow is north, down is south, and the flat and bright spots are east and west. It’s not supposed to be super precise because you’re a dinosaur

[urban flax]

But the result isn't that people are scared when they drink, the result is that people only drink in waters too shallow for there to be any deino

[tardy barn]

^

[daring talon]

so say... a deino grabs a 2 ton carno and another 2 ton carno rolls up and starts pulling now its as though the deino grabbed a 4 ton

[rancid raptor]

if you have a skill-based way to avoid a deino lunge, then skilled players never get lunged. It won't take long for everyone to learn how to avoid it. This is the way it should stay, steakdabait

[urban flax]

Unless there also is skill involvement on the deino's part

[rancid raptor]

Exactly. It makes people choose their water spot carefully, which is how it should be.

[lucid bridge]

fair yeah

[rancid raptor]

Far too little of a problem in order to require such a largely thought-out fix that would ultimately anger a large amount of players

[tardy barn]

Yea i agree like idk how to fix deino without making deino bad
also i got timeout'd lmao

[rancid raptor]

lunge is not OP at all. I don't have the statistics but I find it safe to assume that deino-related deaths aren't even close to 50% of all deaths

[daring talon]

well ofc its not 50%

[urban flax]

It's because there are spots too shallow for deinos to be in
If it weren't for those spots, people would die to deinos all the time

[daring talon]

there are far more things then deino to fight

i betcha most utahs die to carnos
and most pachies
and most tenos
and most hypsis
and most dryos

[tardy barn]

anecdotal af but like 80% of my deaths are deinos

[burnt bone]

Make movement cause the water to stir, even while submerged. So you have to wait at a good spot to catch someone, rather than chase them down the river while they drink.

[rancid raptor]

Current lunge is not something that ruins the game, it's fine the way it is. It's not gamebreaking, it's not unfair at all (we know this by observing that many dinos stay hydrated until dying another way) etc

[rancid raptor]

if those shallow waterspots were as available as you suggest, deinos would get close to no lunges. which is not happening

[urban flax]

I always see deino mains complaining they can't ever lunge a player

[tardy barn]

no no even without lunge deino would be still black and white they just wouldn't be able to kill bigger stuff
since they just come out of the water adn get a free headshot

[rancid raptor]

Anecdotal but that's not something I've ever struggled with, or anyone I've conversated with about deino

[rancid raptor]

That happens but it's not anywhere near 20% of the deino pop as far as I can tell, I don't see that complaint much at all

[daring talon]

deino would still be mass murdering utahs tenos, and slower reaction carnos, but it would be more feasable to not get L'd

[scarlet ocean]

A little late msg, but are u implying no Dino should ever get a 1 brainless 1 shot move? (Something as simple as just a bite, from like a carno to a hypsi, or from a rex to a carno)
Mostly just curious

[rancid raptor]

can deinos oneshot headshot tenos ?

[tardy barn]

"kill bigger stuff"

[burnt bone]

Nope

Unless it’s small teno

[tardy barn]

one shots can be fine if applying them was difficult the problem is that deino lunge isn't hard to apply at all due to how dirty the rivers are

[rancid raptor]

If deino's lunge was as problematic, gamebreaking and "overpowered" as @tardy barn or @daring talon is implying, then there would be way more people complaining about the deino - it would be a very well known largely majority-opinion-based complaint that would, imo, probably have caused the devs to change it by now

fact is clearly that it isn't as problematic as y'all think, with all due respect

[urban flax]

People have been complaining about omnis oneshotting each other for a long time
Nothing has changed, yet they've stopped complaining
The fact people have got used to it doesn't make it less bad

[tardy barn]

Tin foil hat mode
the reason that deino isn't hated as much as it should be is because design wise it's perfect it's exactly how 90% of animals irl interact with crocs

[scarlet ocean]

Disagree personally, some Dino’s will have a basic left click bite that will be able to 1 shot most small-mid tier Dino’s. If a Omni survives a rex bite I will fall over and die irl 💀 It’s brainless and takes no effort, but that’s just the pure strength

[daring talon]

Let me put it this way
A carno hitting a hypsi requires the carno to HIT the little goober
A rex hitting a carno requires the rex to get a GODLY ambush (The stars must align)
A deino lunging any midtier requires camping any water source and pressing 1 button

[scarlet ocean]

Good point

[rancid raptor]

Omnis should oneshot each other with pounce if they weigh as much as each other though.. it's one omni getting the advantage of another, literally pouncing it for a large duration of time

the great nerf is that other omnis can see it reacting with cannibalism twitches

[tardy barn]

im implying oneshots if the creatures were equal to eachother or at least close obv a dryo should get deleted from a deino bite etc

[rancid raptor]

deino lunge is not as unbalanced as any of you claim it to be
the only reasonable nerf was the great nerf (great imo) which was mentioned earlier on

[daring talon]

so the carno needs to either A - catch bro in the open far from any trees
Or B - be the god of carnotaurus
The rex needs the stars to align
the deino needs to afk wherever it feels like

[urban flax]

But it reduces all forms of fighting between two adult omnis to who clicks first
So no better than deino combat
Unless you got a game that is specially designed around people instakilling each other, this form of combat is bad and unengaging

[scarlet ocean]

Fair enough, just didn’t sound like it at first, thnx for the elaboration ^^

[tardy barn]

other than the able to carry dinos so far on land i never said that i thought deino lunge itself was broken I think that the current environment that deino is in is why it's so frustrating

[rancid raptor]

Yeah well maybe it's good in the form that it encourages you to choose who you trust carefully, considering it's a survival game? maybe you're not supposed to cuddle up to players you don't know, just expecting em not to attack you?

Utah being able to pounce another utah to death means that the utah gained the other utah's trust or just earned it with an ambush.

[urban flax]

Deino's lunge is not op per-say
It manages the incredible task and being impossible to balance without being op per-say
It's unfair
It's uninteractive
But at the same time it's also kinda lame since you can't use it against anything above 4 tons, and it's also useless if you don't use it to drown things

[rancid raptor]

I very much agree that deino should not be able to run that far with a carno in its mouth

[rancid raptor]

How is it lame just because you can't use it on things above 4 tons? Things above 4 tons you can find other ways to kill (very situational)

[urban flax]

It's fine for omnis to be able to kill each other with a pounce. And the problem doesn't come from the fact people are too trusting, or not, one with another. If 2 omnis decide to try and kill each other, all of their fight boils down to who right clicks first. Which isn't engaging in the slightest.

[rancid raptor]

it's not useless if you don't use it to drown specifically. You can drag it so it's forced to swim from middle of the river to land, and then bite it on its way. or you could have fun and drop something off a cliff/waterfall and kill it that way or whatever

[urban flax]

It's lame because there is a hard limit on its usage, that arguably doesn't make much sense. If deino can run ith a 4000 kg animal in its mouth, why does it get staggered and is unable to lift something that eighs 4001 kg ?

[rancid raptor]

It's not as engaging as a strategic bite-fest, but it does also depend on you being able to pounce directly as the fast bugger without missing - which could ultimately cost you your life

[tardy barn]

at least if you miss a pounce you die in the return

[daring talon]

miss a lunge just leave lol

[rancid raptor]

Yeah that 4001kg example makes sense, it's not realistic per say - but it is a good thing in balance

[rancid raptor]

yeah well you're 8 tons and you're trying to lunge something half your weight, you should very much deserve to be able to leave safely

[tardy barn]

yea that's maybe the one thing i would do to deino is make failed lunges stun/slow you heavily

[rancid raptor]

(most cases)

[rancid raptor]

not stun you, but maybe cost you more stam?

[daring talon]

unless you are 10 miles inland as a semi aquatic and there are 3 or 4 of the thing you tried to lunge

[urban flax]

What I suggested a few weeks ago regarding pounce is that pouncing another omni head-on makes you take a lot of damage
In order to pounce and kill another omni ithout dying from bleed yourself you'd need to pounce it from behind, so it cannot fight back
At least it makes it a bit more strategic

[tardy barn]

no outright stun if you miss your oneshot able you should be immediately punished for it

deino lunge shouldn't double as a movement ability as well

at least on land

[rancid raptor]

I agree here with the fact that pouncing an omni should be able to fully ensure its death, but something should be added - some limitation, which would force you to think more strategically when it comes to actually lunging an omni.

Maybe lunging it from the front wouldn't cause it full death, but lunging it from the back would. etc

[pulsar smelt]

This statement

In a pounce both parties are belly to belly right?, shouldnt BOTH be getting damage (the pinned dino flails anyways so why not just add minor damage delt to the attacker?

[rancid raptor]

This would be a better alternative honestly, why would the attacker care about some damage dealt to him if he knows he can get a free kill regardless

[tardy barn]

that'll be cool as a full mechanic for every dino that utah can jump on
have the utah end up on their back instead of their side and it'll do be damage/bleed if you get a sneak attack

[pulsar smelt]

cause they might not have much health ? so the pounced one may actually have a shot if they dont have back up

Im talking strictly utah v utah.

[rancid raptor]

If a utah gets a pounce on another, the other made a mistake and should not be able to survive.

However thoughh, one cool change is if the pounce required a certain angle. So that the other utah could ensure it not to happen with the use of skill-based maneuvering

[tardy barn]

i do agree that mirrors shouldn't be able to oneshot each other outright

[rancid raptor]

and any other pounce outside that angle wouldn't be a free kill

Angle-based pouncing with different outcomes does make sense and sounds like a fairly nice mechanic

[tardy barn]

not worth putting in as feedback imo tho that'll be a lot of animation work to do

[rancid raptor]

@zinc patio I 100% agree that tap-sprint should be disabled somehow, custom in settings

[rancid raptor]

yeah it would be way down the line, not anywhere near in our future at least

our devs have other bigger problems

[tardy barn]

ideally we should try to recommend low effort changes

like lowering dryo dodge stam cost bruh 10%??? really?

[rancid raptor]

Dude dryo takes 30 minutes to grow and it can barely do any damage, it's so harmless - so why should we have to worry about nerfing it?
correct me if i'm wrong brb

[tardy barn]

Being chased is as fun as chasing for some people Evasion base dinos shouldn't be neutered just because

Dryo is really fun but they nerfed dodge stam cost badly in 1.6

to give you an idea of the dryo stam game atm
adult dryo has 120 second runtime Dodge stam cost is 10% (12 seconds of runtime) of stam
Utah (which should be your main predator) is 46.8 kmph vs 43.2 of dryo Utah has 105 sec runtime

The issue is atm is that you straight up can not get away from a utah unless you lose them

you simply get outstammed by a creature that is also faster than you

[tardy barn]

also i meant buffing dryo not nerfing

[rancid raptor]

Wait are you arguing against the stam or for the stam

Do you mean that the hop should cost less or more

[tardy barn]

I want hop to cost much less

maybe like 5% or less

[rancid raptor]

Considering how harmless dryo is I don't think that's something many would complain about, doesn't seem like buffing dryo would be so bad

Maybe the demand isn't large tho, how many are even playing dryo

I got a dryo on eu3 currently but i never see other dryos

[tardy barn]

no one atm since they got a heavy handed nerf

[rancid raptor]

didn't dryo have a 70N?

before

[tardy barn]

they gave dryo hop a gimmick and increased it's stam cost by a lot

[icy lion]

Bite?

[mental cradle]

#general-feedback messageIt also seems that the river does not cover much, so we would be safe from the deinos

[rancid raptor]

Yeah I remember the bite being strong but i don't remember how strong

[tardy barn]

it's 20n rn idk if they ever changed it

[icy lion]

I think it might've back when omni had 1k hp? That vaguely sounds right but it got changed a long while ago

[rancid raptor]

Yeah

I remember seeing a fair amount of dryo players back then but rn the dryo is not that powerful so it's logical that not as many play it

[tardy barn]

Like i don't want dryos to be good at killer they should just be good at being chased at least

[icy lion]

It's not about the power, it's about dryo not being able to escape its primary predator

[rancid raptor]

Dryos are very good at outmaneuvering utahs though, their turn rate is insane

[icy lion]

The dodge rework is nice, but the stam cost means using it guts your ability to actually escape from omnis

[rancid raptor]

Don't dryos have great capabilities with outmaneuveirng utahs though?

[tardy barn]

Yea, but you run out of stam really really fast

by the time you use 3 dodges you're half stam

[rancid raptor]

without dodge

[tardy barn]

not really

not enough to matter that much at least

[rancid raptor]

Idk I don't have enough experience to really discuss this but dryo is very harmless so i don't see a big problem in buffing the dodge a bit

[tardy barn]

ok i understand pretty much the main issue with dryo rn (vs utahs) is

1. you are slower
2. you have less effective stam due to costly it is to use dodge

I don't think that dryo should be faster than utahs

but you should handedly win the stam game vs them

unless you're forced to spam dodge hardcore

[rancid raptor]

I admit that I don't see a problem in letting dryo win the stam game by a bit, utah should be able to catch it within 2 minutes

or idk but doesn't seem like the end of the world considering how harmless the dryo is and how little food it gives

[tardy barn]

It's mostly that the only "i wanna be chased" dino is bad at being chased

like this seems like a very minor thing in your eyes but dryo being awful leaves a big gap in gameplay that just wasn't there before

[rancid raptor]

Making dryos harder to catch doesn't seem like a bad idea

it has a 20N afterall

[daring talon]

If it is pathetic then it should be able to run from anything
maybe not outright outspeed but at least dodge duck bob and weave to the point where its nigh impossible to hit

[rancid raptor]

Should carnivores have their own animation to thrash bodies or should it stay as LMB-ing the body until the organs are exposed?

[icy lion]

They already have a thrash animation

[rancid raptor]

Which?

[icy lion]

While carrying a corpse (not dragging it), hold LMB and shake the mouse

The organs will fall on the ground

[rancid raptor]

I see, thanks. Also, do you happen to know if triple diets are legit? like these

[icy lion]

Wym legit? Like, real?

[burnt bone]

Yeah that is how those work.

The majority of Kouga’s chart is accurate. I know one part says extra bleed rather than extra bleed regen.

[sterile pivot]

@topaz pendant That would be such a nice nesting ground, really hope its implemented.
Would also be nice if there was more of a encouragement to go to nesting grounds, its always cool to find flourishing nesting grounds, it feels more unique than the run-around-center/na-slaughtering/hiding structure we have now

[barren zephyr]

^^^

[ionic pike]

@dreamy merlin head frac on carno is only achieved when the head, according to the game, is low enough to be headbutted. in my 1.5k hours its been pretty accurate too.

[empty epoch]

@left nacelle The monorails do have missing textures on their pillars

So unless AE made the monorails recently, depending on lore (to which, I doubt they did. Wouldn't make sense)
I would like to see actual weathering

on a lot of things and not just the monorails

[lucid robin]

what do ppl think of this?
#general-feedback message
has anyone else noticed it?

easy to notice when running on flat terrain, and when running in a straight line

[proud coral]

I've noticed that with Omniraptor before.

[lost marsh]

could you show me

[barren zephyr]

I've tested with only two dinos, so i'm not sure it doesn't work with all dinos but they do not work for dieno

just make sure you have 3 diet slots filled

they do not work for dieno at all i've tested half the diets with pachy and they don't work either

I'm assuming thats the same with all dinos with all dinos

[burnt bone]

It just says “blood” rather than “bleed regen”

[lost marsh]

ah, it was fixed on the last chart i made

[burnt bone]

From what I can tell everything else seems accurate tho

[lost marsh]

you probably got the outdated one

[burnt bone]

Ah makes sense, it’s a bit of an old image I have

[lost marsh]

ignore minor spelling mistakes 😔

made it running xd

[burnt bone]

All good lol, still a very useful chart to have

[lost marsh]

glad so!

[abstract belfry]

Hey @limber hull regarding your annoyance with tenonto being knocked over by carnos charge would you be kind enough to confirm that carnos charging speed is 55km/h and weigh 1800kg? Beacuse I believe the total force of that charge is plenty to actually topple tenon the force of the charge is 27,000 newtons
(Equal to 2,753kg)
Not the exact measurement since I rounded down decimals but you get the idea

[limber hull]

while it is 1800kg and can run 55km/hr, mathematically, i really don't quite care if it adds up, because the issue is that from a purely design/gameplay perspective, it is not well designed to make the engagement slightly enjoyable for the teno

also it would break the carno's neck to charge a teno so bringing realism into things isn't a fair argument

[tardy barn]

A lot of people seem to really want to make the actual gameplay of the game awful for realism

[limber hull]

realism doesn't make fun

[clever lion]

True

[abstract belfry]

I just figured some logic would help with the seething rage that is bad balance I do agree with you that it’s annoying I actually like tenonto as well and would like to see them played more often

[tardy barn]

teno is probably one of the best designed dinos in the game atm
it's just why play teno when you can play pachy lmao

#general-feedback message @spiral heron
the issue with this idea is griefing by just standing near stuff like stegos

[tall hearth]

i want a button i have to press to breathe!!!!! its realistic!

[oblique creek]

Yea I don't see how draining hunger ect is very fair or fun in that matter. How is anything supposed to have a prolonged battle without getting stressed out and dying lol. That's a stupid way to combat mixpacking

It's such a hard thing to fix effectively

Like really the only decent way to combat it is have a simple rule of no mix packing on official

[tardy barn]

yea, like i want pack mixing fixed as much as anyone else but something like that will just have people follow around stegos as a dryo to be a dickhead

[gusty hull]

it doesn't affect battles, they just don't live together.

[tardy barn]

it's hard to fix

issue with having rules on official is that there needs to be people to enforce them

[spiral heron]

The idea of stress is not directed at battles but related to mix-packing and over-packing

[oblique creek]

But what happens when people just hang around others to drain their stats for an easy kill. There's so many ways that idea can be exploited or griefed by sweaty mixpackers

Like it's such a complex issue to fix there needs to be some real thought put into it. Like I said the only real way to fix it would be rules but as steak stated there would need to be ppl to enforce it so that doesn't work either lol

[spiral heron]

That's why the statistics would drop gradually, and not with high frequency, precisely to avoid this type of action.

[gusty hull]

server with rule only works with an ADM online 24/7. taking that away is no use.

[tall hearth]

mixpackers would use something like this to their advantage, nah

[oblique creek]

Taking what away? I was stating since nobody will enforce it it wont work either

[spiral heron]

We all already know here that servers with rules don't work correctly, because not everyone decides to follow them

[oblique creek]

Yes we got that lol

But the idea you guys came up with is just going to be worse

[tall hearth]

nothing stopping a group of discord mixpackers to send in a couple fast, easy to grow dinos to debuff a party who's slower and nothing could even be done about it on the slower animals end. they'd just suffer the debuff the most

[oblique creek]

It's not a very effective combatant for mixing

[gusty hull]

until you get close to the battle to use this to your advantage, the fight is over and the other one will stay away

[gusty hull]

why would a herbivore debuff another herbivore?

[oblique creek]

Why would a pachy kill a teno? Idk but it happens

[tall hearth]

people play differently than you do

[oblique creek]

You cant expect people to just abide by that

[tardy barn]

to flex a pachy killing a teno rn if like me smashing a fly

[gusty hull]

you are full of arguments against it, but nobody is coming up with a solution. if you don't like plan A, come up with plan B

[oblique creek]

That's the problem is it's such a difficult thing to solve it requires more thought then you have put into it

[gusty hull]

So think with me, not against me

everyone must have already thought of some kind of solution to this problem

[spiral heron]

Until another better appears, this is the only solution we have

[oblique creek]

I like the fear or stress idea but it would have to be implemented in such a way that other people wont find ways around it or to just harass other herbivores. It seems the general consensus is that mixing between herbs is ok but no carni/herb packs so you would have to find a way to keep the unrestrictive feeling of being able to attack/socialize with whatever you want yet keeping it fair for gameplay sake.

[tardy barn]

It's not a solution all it does is change the problem

[limber hull]

i honestly want the opposite of a fear or stress system

[gusty hull]

the idea of stress would not be to kill another herb/carni, but to avoid mixpacking and overpacking by gradually reducing thirst and hunger stats, making herbivores think twice before staying too long next to another herbivore (again it would reduce gradually, and not one at a time or quickly, it would take hours in real life for it to have a desperate effect on the herbi/carni) thus creating a rivalry between the herbivores.

[tardy barn]

adding a problem to remove a problem doesn't fix anything

[oblique creek]

Exactly

[gusty hull]

what problem do i add

[tardy barn]

like we want mix packing gone like you but there's no point to waste dev time adding something that causes as many problems as it fixes

Griefing slower creatures with stress

[oblique creek]

Some dinos like teno have to drink almost constantly tho so if devs dont up the thirst and hunger ect your good as dead

[tardy barn]

like imagine having a pter massively debuff you by flying around you

i don't know what they can do mechanically to fix packmixing without people being able to abuse it

[gusty hull]

for you to be able to harm someone with this stress, you would have to lose a few hours playing, this would also affect your gameplay

it's a double-edged sword

[tardy barn]

People get value out of ruining someone elses experence

why would i care if my pter or dryo gets debuffs when i get to see a stego die to a lone carno due to major stacking debuffs

[oblique creek]

This game has the sweatiest tryhards I've ever met and they stop at nothing to ruin your day

[gusty hull]

if you take a herbi to harm another herbi, you would also be harmed at the same rate

[oblique creek]

If there is a way they will find it

[tardy barn]

and i hope they do

[gusty hull]

welcome to the isle

[tardy barn]

stress would probably work for overpacking tho

[oblique creek]

Yea the mega packs would suffer from that

[gusty hull]

I think what you didn't understand is that the debuff will happen slowly, so you would have to spend a lot of time in front of the computer waiting for it to take effect. you would lose hours of the game just to make fun

[tall hearth]

then the pack comes out of the woods after the herb hurt the other herb with a debuff and has an easier time killing it, while their herb friend runs off

[tardy barn]

counterpoint: people play stego which is literally hours of afk growing to the point where you can have fun

and deino

[gusty hull]

you kill the other herbi

[tall hearth]

what are you talking about

[tardy barn]

who

[tall hearth]

how are you gonna kill the other herb when you're debuffed, and the herb's friends are gonna attack you and defend their herb friend

[tardy barn]

we're discussing the pros and cons of adding a stress mechanic with the goal of combating overpacking and packmixing

I don't think that there's a way to make stress work in a way that can't be heavily abused for packmixing

[clever lion]

The hypos going to com back?

[gusty hull]

bro you will be in the same situation or in a similar situation. if you don't want to kill run. if you can't run the other guy who wants to debuff will suffer the debuff along with you so both die happy?

[tall hearth]

exactly. so try thinking of ways to benefit people who dont mixpack, and instead pack with either their kind or animals they should be around in their ecosystem. whether it be passive stat buffs, diet buffs, some animals eating food could leave food for different species, like digging up ground foods exposes roots for another species.

[gusty hull]

the issue of stress would be to prevent them from going together, it would not be something abusive like in BoB, it would just create a rivalry, leaving the gameplay of herbi different from the current one

[gusty hull]

the benefit for non-mixpackers is simply that they will have a normal life

[tall hearth]

how does the other person die? they've ran away as their mixpack friends come out to get you

[gusty hull]

no one will die. it's just to create tension in the gameplay of the herbi

[tall hearth]

tension thats abusable by mixpackers, the very people you dont want to abuse systems

think of ways to benefit non-mixers

there's gonna be a lot of players who are around each other for hours at a time, and they'd unintentionally debuff each other by being in the same area.

whether they know they're both there or not

[gusty hull]

the benefit of not being a mixpackiner is living normally as currently happens in the game, the downside for mixpackers is having problems raising puppies, hunger decreases faster, feels thirsty more often

[tall hearth]

how would the game determine actual mixpacking from 2 people playing the correct way? hows the game gonna judge a herrera, who has a good tree or cliff ambush spot, from debuffing/being debuffed by another player hiding in the woods, or somewhere below them from an actual mixpacking situation

worded better

what about when someone wants to pretend to be a scavenger, so they follow a bigger animal around, staying close and eating their leftover food without ever actually helping them in any way

[gusty hull]

bro you are presenting many problems and no solution. instead of thinking about problems, think about how to solve them. Until today I haven't seen anyone present an anti mixpacking idea, my friend and I thought about it in 10 minutes, if everyone who was discussing the problems here thought about how to improve this idea, we would fix the game

[tall hearth]

im presenting problems to your proposed solution

just start thinking of ways to buff people who pack within their own groups

[gusty hull]

the buff is not having the debuff

[tall hearth]

it could be within their own specific species, or helper species like dryo + other herbs, or in shants concept art; it hanging out with tenonto

[tall hearth]

then mixpackers would want to debuff the other players and abuse your mechanic you think you solved

OR it would create problems with people who arent even playing together to debuff themselves

[gusty hull]

it could be, animals of the same gender could walk together, maybe with a tolerance of space, I don't know

[tall hearth]

start brainstorming then.

[gusty hull]

these small weeds that do not pose a threat to the drain can go together, I don't know

[gusty hull]

if I have to think of all the solutions to all the problems it's going to get complicated

work hard there

[tall hearth]

im not saying you have to solve them all yourself. im saying if you can think of something, like you just have with your debuff idea, you should ask yourself "is this abuseable" "is this fun" "will it actually strop mixpacking"

which, i pointed out it wont. there should instead be buffs for people playing the way theyre intended.

the mixpack scent icon was pretty nice. we'd stay away from the area, or hunt the mixpackers. even when hypers eventually come in, they'd go straight for the mixpack to go kill and feed themselves.

[gusty hull]

So think with me, not against me

Help me, I can't think of everything, and it was just an idea, I don't even know if the guys will accept it or not, then they'll also think about these problems.

[tardy barn]

i am but this isn't the first time i've seen this idea and the first time i saw it i also thought it was a great idea

[gusty hull]

let's put these ideas together and try to make something that works then

[tardy barn]

but it's just too abusable and has too many Ifs

[gusty hull]

will always have

[tardy barn]

Then it shouldn't be pushed for unless we can come up with something clever to make it work

[tall hearth]

ive already thought of various solutions, just not to what extent.

[gusty hull]

I think the best way to solve this is to add a new mechanic

[tardy barn]

I actually think that it's a good idea for overpacking
i can't think of a way that it can really be abused

[gusty hull]

present the solution to the problem

[gusty hull]

the issue with being abusive is that you will waste a lot of time for it to become something that harms the other, and while you do that, you will harm yourself too. I don't see it as something that harms both sides if it's abusive

and another thing, nobody plays herbi alone, there's always one more, two, three together

[lucid robin]

another example of what i mean:

[tardy barn]

why is your dino at an 80 decree angle

[lucid robin]

its weird and ridiculous

the tail for all the dinos is WEIRD and tilts

the message i replied to has a link to my suggestion, which shows yet another weird hypsi tail

[tardy barn]

mf posting the 5 O' clocksaurus wtf

[lucid robin]

;-;

[oblique creek]

Hypsi tail goes wack when carrying food too lol

It is very bothersome tho same with the way the camera wont pan out when running anymore after sitting down and your camera is locked to the way it is when walking

[still bison]

Hello, good afternoon, I wanted to make a request because the hype is killing me. The issue is that I wanted to know if there is a possibility that you could tell us a date for a next update if any new dino will come or if it will be this January or February for I really love this game and the dedication they give it but I'm getting bored of how monotonous it is returning due to the nerf to the Omni buff to Carno how abusive the Tenonto is and that nobody uses small creatures because of how boring it is you limited yourself the Dinosaurs that we can use and do not give rise to new players to join since the most experienced have obviously more experience in pvp cannibalism even among Omnis is notorious for all this, also as they restricted the sound the game seems dead and many strategies are They were with the last update. In short, I love this game, but the monotony that they have created affects me and the community in general, which causes fatigue in the game. I can say that Dark Souls is easy compared to this, unfortunately this will cause people to end up leaving The Isle as is my case due to the routine, I do not demand at any time that they fulfill my requests but if they fulfilled one of these they would give me hope to continue playing and even recommend the game to new players with confidence thank you very much for understanding and be well. A desperate player 😄

[limber hull]

the next coming animal is troodon, which is planned for next update

[tawdry oyster]

@spiral heron Having dinos starve faster would just force them to hunt more, and move around the map. I don’t think that would be a good solution to anti mixpacking

[rancid raptor]

@obtuse quail anticheat is a hard subject
But what we definitely could change is the amount of admins on evrima. Imo there should be several available.

@topaz pendant
Instead of changing appearances according to gender, which isn't even a bad idea, we should rather change the tone of their voice.

Making female dino voices different from male dino voices is something that is way less time-consuming than changing appearance.
Also, if we did make females thinner - it wouldn't be logical for them to be as strong or to weigh as much, so what you're ultimately suggesting is to make one sex weaker than the other. It's a bad idea as it would leave players much less of a preference to that specific sex.

We already have differences in skin colors, but I do agree we could use more difference. However, not anything like what you described.
We should not change appearance unless it's something as small as what we have with ptera.

Again, what we should rather do is make dino female voices different from male voices, way less consuming.

@somber elm No, herbivores should absolutely not be able to move corpses, let alone destroy them.
This would encourage griefing. I don't have a problem with griefing personally, but it would objectively cause a lot of problems in the game's environment. This should not be a thing

A herbivore being able to move corpses would essentially lead to stegos moving a corpse to the water so no one can eat it without getting lunged, moving a corpse to a hard location for other carnivores to extract it etc @eager parrot

@fossil pagoda I think it's quite agreeable that the our devs' decision not to release gateway has a reason behind it, considering the fact that it's not ready for release. Our devs like quality over quantity, it seems. They don't like risking by releasing things that aren't as finished as it can be

[limber hull]

@rancid raptor the best way to differ between an AI and a human player is to simply not add AI dinos

which would be ideal imho

[rancid raptor]

I think this is pretty absurd. For us not to add AI dinos, we need a larger player cap.
And in order to support a larger player cap, we first need the optimization of the game fixed.

I agree that replacing AI with players is the better option, but that can only happen when we have a much larger player limit - which won't happen anytime soon

lesser ai and more players = better

[limber hull]

we have the AI role completed though

the current AI system is a beautiful compromise

[rancid raptor]

Oh so you mean to keep the current system but not add other ai

[limber hull]

oh im not advocating to remove our current AI

i just hate AI dinos

(except compy and ptero, those two can stay)

[rancid raptor]

Personally I feel the same, I prefer AI that is very easily extinguishable from other players. it seems the devs have been working on AI herds of tenos though, and AI rexes

[limber hull]

i cant stand AI rexes or AI stegos conceptually

the idea of being able to "cheese" a rexes pathfinding and kill it as a solo omni sounds terrible

[rancid raptor]

Yeah I very much agree with that, the game would be better if all interaction was between players and other players

[limber hull]

or the idea of an AI rex magically knowing where you are because it detected you via pathfinding, rather than sight

[limber hull]

i'm fine with AI like fish or modern animals, 100%

i even made a diet redesign for carnis that necessitates player interaction

[rancid raptor]

Where

[barren crater]

I hope we don't have large AI even if a server population is low. People will then farm apex grows at those times

I personally don't mind smaller dino ais like dryo.

[limber hull]

#general-feedback message

this one

[limber hull]

i find it just as bad tbh

i dislike treating certain playables as nothing more than playable AI

[barren crater]

I guess that could be an issue. In terms of size though, it's pretty much equal to boar AI and could in theory be much harder to catch

[rancid raptor]

@blazing bison Wouldn't that require the dino to weigh less too?

[limber hull]

except boar AI messes you up good

[barren crater]

Depends on the creature tbf. It's a free meal to an omni and any carnivore larger. heck a 200kg carno can charge it to death

[rancid raptor]

i don't struggle killing boars as a juvie, it just takes long

[tardy barn]

i feel yea running down deer as juvie omni takes so long

[somber elm]

Yes I realise that body guarders would destroy corpses but moving would be much better

[fossil pagoda]

If that would be true, we would not have gotten "gore" and the diets rework as it is now

[cyan flame]

Gore and diets function. I'm not sure the same can be said for Gateway.

[tawdry oyster]

I for one want Gateway to be released in top quality, and I want it to perform smoothly unlike spiro even if it means that it will take a while for the devs to perfect.

But part of me wants it to release soon and not by the end of the year

[fossil pagoda]

functional and quality are different things. I just think these whole "quality vs quantity" is getting old already, I do not see quality in the way diets or "gore" work, or in the first iteration of the night vision, or in whatever it is being done with the lighting in the last updates....

somebody explained to me before the reasoning for gateway delay is because of waiting for the migration to UE5, which I think is a valid reason

but the quality thing... stuff we get recently are all half baked and they continue to work on them after releasing. Which is perfectly valid in an early access game, but it is not like things are only released when they are perfectly polished

[cyan flame]

There's that too yes, the main reason is most likely ue5 migration, from what I've heard at least. And sure, but in this case at least the things we got works, far as I know Gateway is not working quite as well, so even if both were of "bad" quality in your eyes, there'd stilll be a difference.

[limber hull]

Gateway couldn't have been released in the state it was

Key paths and structures were incomplete/cut off

It was a good map, but an incomplete one

i enjoyed the map, but there were a few glaring issues that the devs would 100% get "we waited x years for this??? nice job devs, i knew u were failures" over the most minor of issues

[ruby sierra]

Wasn't it an old build and intentionally removed some structures and aspects of the map

[limber hull]

yes

it also had some polishing needed

[ruby sierra]

Of course

[fossil pagoda]

@empty epoch what is invalid about the elders description?

[empty epoch]

It's outdated

[fossil pagoda]

what part?

[limber hull]

the part that mentions it as a reward and not an inevitability

[fossil pagoda]

Thanks. I kind of like the idea of the reward, like having to nest and/or do some kind of life goals to get to elder

[limber hull]

the reward more comes from the quality of your elder phase

better life = better elder

[sage yew]

but why is it necessary to separate elders from growth stages?

[fossil pagoda]

that's true, it sounds just like another growth stage then

[limber hull]

because it can differ in strength, whereas growth stages are consistent in their strength

[sage yew]

that's the interpretation, but it's not like it's a setup rule
even though, Elder could be basically the Adult stage, where your lifestile shows impact on your stats. I don't see any difference to the original elder idea, beside of cutting of adult stage, or adding a next stage

[limber hull]

elders are an end-of-life thing, and animals not growing old doesn't make much sense

[sage yew]

hatchling -> juvi -> Sub -> Adult -> Elder

instead of
1 Tier: hatchling -> juvi -> Sub -> Adult
2 Tier: Elder
3 Tier: hypo and what not

[limber hull]

strains are a different path we dont know much about how to get yet, but they are linked to elders/perks

[supple flame]

Hypos aren’t realistic tho and are overpowered

[limber hull]

i dont know what realism has to do with anything, and we have no indication of how strong they will be in EVRIMA yet

[sage yew]

I don't like the idea either tho

[urban flax]

Hypos are lame
Hypers better

[sage yew]

nah, hippos!

[limber hull]

i still dont get why people are using XZaguar or legacy as frames of reference for how hypos will work

we have literally zero clue on how EVRIMA hypos will work

besides big, strong, hungry

[sage yew]

to be honest, it's just the idea of strong = better that bothers me and that it's supposed to be some endgoal, just sounds like a really lame excuse to be overpowered

[limber hull]

thats why i hated magnas. i like hypers because they actually have a downside. Magnas were just "perfected" hypers without the downside, and sounded super lame to me

[sage yew]

hunger is not really a downside (if its that what you've meant) if killing was your main goal anyway

[limber hull]

hunger is an insane downside, have you seen how many people complain about carnos? Imagine that, but way faster, and you need a LOT more food to fill your massive stomach

[sage yew]

many people complain because they're whiny dishes ...but overall hunger drain means in this context that hypos, hippies whatever are limited by time, nothing else

[limber hull]

and i dont see what's wrong with that, it means you can't play god forever

[sage yew]

yea, but why to be god in the first place

[limber hull]

if you want to make a massive, heavily armoured powerhouse that nearly everything is afraid to attack, the best way to make it not dominate forever is to make it exceptionally hard to keep around

[tall hearth]

Hypers will be a great mixpack deterrent on their own. If you're detectable without even being seen, they're gonna come for you.

[limber hull]

because seeing a goddamn kaiju dinosaur is conceptually horrifying

watching a goliath tear down trees and walls to kill you, sounding like thunderous death from miles away and simply being an unfeeling, unstoppable, and massive visage of all-consuming death is an incredible horror experience

[sage yew]

spino is terrifying, it's a 9 ton murderbeast ...why make it smaller, by oversizing stuff to ridiculous amounts

[tall hearth]

Because that's also been the plan for years.

[limber hull]

its not being made smaller

its still a 9 ton murderbeast

[sage yew]

that doesn't make it any more appealing

[tall hearth]

Then play community servers with hypers and whatnot turned off

[sage yew]

I've meant it in comparison
not that anything gots actually smaller or anything

[limber hull]

its only small compared to an extremely rare freak of nature

[sage yew]

yea, I get your point, but I not gonna start to like it

[limber hull]

also hypers are probably the only thing stopping certain sauropods from being unkillable

no regular apex is killing a brachi

[urban flax]

If spino was the biggest thing around, nothing would scare a spino
Hypers are not scared of anything, but they don't last long so it's fine
A spino could theoretically live forever and never be afraid of anything (excluding elders)

[limber hull]

hypers almost clear the slate and stop apex super dominance

[sage yew]

not like it is right now. But assuming that hunger related debuffs could be a thing, or sicknes or whatever, it could become possible

[limber hull]

they don't last for long, but they exist as a rare mediator for apex pops

[tall hearth]

Yeah I want to die of incurable sickness, peak gameplay

[sage yew]

no one said that

[limber hull]

also i just want to see an unstoppable form of hungering death

[queen ember]

I want herbivores to die of stress from bodys: every Carnivore player

[limber hull]

pls add stress as a mechanic i really like being punished for random actions

[queen ember]

I wanna be punished cause I’m not in the right biome for my animal

[sage yew]

in which way do you mean this?

[urban flax]

There should be a 4th strain so we can have the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse
Hypers being war

[limber hull]

its not like venturing into the wrong biome is already punishing, i want the game to drain my health for being in a swamp

[scarlet ocean]

It was semi confirmed, that there’s gonna be a mechanic to make herbis “uncomfortable” by doing that. not sure if it will be stress but would make sense.

[limber hull]

Type-O

it's happening

[sage yew]

heat management could do this

[limber hull]

War = Hypers
Famine = Neuros
Pestilence = Tissos
Death/Conquest = Type-O??? Please???

[urban flax]

Wait no
Hypers are famine

[limber hull]

True lol

[urban flax]

Neuros are Death
Tissos are Pestilence

[limber hull]

Tissos are 100% pestilence this we can all agree on

This is VITAL discussion btw

[fossil pagoda]

I just hope that hypers are a very rare thing and not 10/100 people in a server run around as hypers doing hyper things

[queen ember]

Yes

[limber hull]

thats the idea

[sage yew]

let me introduce you to biblical accurate dinos then

[limber hull]

hypers are meant to appear after several lives, and live for a very short time

[tall hearth]

Yeah lemme afk for a couple minutes each in game day cycle so I can play the game.

Doesnt sound fun.

[queen ember]

It’ll be hard enough to grow apex’s. Now imagine a apex surviving, and then even making it to elder, then strains

[sage yew]

that's not how it is supposed to work, but okay

[fossil pagoda]

just need a bush big enough

[urban flax]

Hold on I know what Type-O is
Ork Strain

[queen ember]

When you’re a T. rex you don’t be camping a bush all the time. Gotta hunt

[tall hearth]

Then how does it work?

[sage yew]

#general-feedback-discussion message

I've explained it for deinos here

downtime by heatmanagement is not a necessity

[fossil pagoda]

it doesn't sound fun at all IMO, to be honest

[queen ember]

That literally just sounds like having to manage between cold and warm

Which basking = sitting = afk every few minutes

[sage yew]

waiting to heal doesn't sound fun either, not a good argument and I'm not going down on this conversation

[queen ember]

At least sitting to heal is rewarding instead of a management system you need to do every few minutes

[sage yew]

no one said anything about "few minutes", you're just adding random stuff to make it less likeable

[queen ember]

How often is it then?

[sage yew]

and no one said anything about haeving to wait for anything

[fossil pagoda]

it was just my opinion, it just doesn't sound like anything that would add any fun to the game

[sage yew]

just look for values that you could like, I'm not going to design a mechanic on myself dude :D

[sage yew]

it's not always only about fun, but when it's the only thing that matters for you, go for it

[fossil pagoda]

what do you play for then?

[limber hull]

to answer for him, insanely demanding and basically frustrating survival where you are punished for a moment's lapse in awareness

[sage yew]

entertainment
which includes not always heaving fun, being scared is a part of it too, for example

if I only will fun, I can play every other game that's not survival

[fossil pagoda]

ok, call it entertainment. It doesn't seem like something that would entertain anyone. Again just my opinion

[sage yew]

it's just the thing, that heat management could be used in many different ways

my own preferences have nothing to do with it and I'm not going discuss stuff about my personality here

[sage yew]

okay and I'm not going to convince you or anything

[fossil pagoda]

the game has to make you struggle of course, with "fun" I do not mean going around laughing. But the challenges given by the game must be, yeah, entertainment, not just a core

[sage yew]

a weak argument, IMO

[queen ember]

Saying weak argument itself is weak

[sage yew]

because I'm not going for senseless discussions xD

[fossil pagoda]

man I am not even discussing, just giving my opinion on something you proposed, I guess that's why you wrote it here right? but yeah, just let it go, all cool

[sage yew]

if you don't like it, fine

and you can't really argue against something not being fun
I see there is something to gain and you don't or even as something that actually only slows down the game for no reason

there is nothing I can say to change things, as it's simply your view and this is okay for me

"not fun" is hard to debate, really hard, I hope you understand this

[tall hearth]

So I'm not allowed to have fun until I've warmed myself up? Yeah no.

[sage yew]

no one said that

[tall hearth]

You didn't have to say it, its implied from your suggestion alone

[fossil pagoda]

it is alright 👍

[sage yew]

oh boy ...no, I never implied such things

[tall hearth]

Whether you did intentionally or not,bits implied.

I want to be in water as deino. It's my home. You're nerfing me in my own environment in which I am forced to live. If I have to come out, I risk not being able to defend myself on land from big playables who want me dead. If I'm cold in the water, big playables will want to get me there and push me out so I'm vulnerable on land.

If I want to be on land or on water should be my choice and mine alone. The game shouldnt decide it's time for me to go on land or water.

[sage yew]

yea, it's definitely not like deinos are exothermic animals and actually dependend on heat

[tall hearth]

That's not fun for a game

[sage yew]

okay

[tall hearth]

I dont care how real life does this or that

[sage yew]

I see ;)

[tall hearth]

In real life I can die of a heart attack. I can die from parasites I have no control over as I'm an animal. That's not good for game balance and should not be in a video game.

I would literally not care of that was modded into community servers when mod supportive enabled. Just means I'd never join that server.

You wanna play as a human? You gotta trim your finger nails or else you scratch yourself too hard and you bleed. That's in real life, you want that too?

Or is that not fun for gameplay

When you think of a possible suggestion ask yourself "would this be fun for players who arent me"

[scarlet ocean]

No need to get so incredibly heated.. he let the topic go. Also who are you to say “who aren’t me”, I’m sure there’s more people disagreeing with his idea, and also more people agreeing with it. There’s only been 4 max ppl in that discussion, that isn’t nearly close to the thousands of ppl playing this game 0_0
That’s why he put it in discussion or feedback, either it gets upvotes or downvotes, it doesn’t matter, it’s just a suggestion and even if there’s 1 person out there that likes it, that’s enough. It’s a bit immature to try to speak for about 4-5 thousand ppl on what is “fun”. (Bold assumption, but I would think that’s about half of isles playerbase. Edit: Nvm, there’s like over 30k if the dc has 24k players)

[tall hearth]

In context I dont mean 'me' as in myself, I mean 'me' as in the person making the suggestion

[icy lion]

There's just over 100k people in here! It's grown a lot the past year

[scarlet ocean]

Ye, just noticed by looking at the dc limit XD I’m so glad, it better grow more.

[topaz pendant]

For my feedback (I forgot to add these images) #general-feedback

[scarlet ocean]

I feel like it still implies. He never said word for word how it’s supposed to work or that EVERYONE finds it fun. He finds it fun and I’m sure he’s not the only one out of 100k+ ppl. So I feel like u shouldn’t get so heated in that last msg about human fingernails just cause u disagree. Your welcome to voice that u don’t like it, but that was way out of hand. Relax, that’s all

[plush vault]

@supple flame I agree with that suggestion, but I think the buff for the parents should differ when they go up depending on the species. So like for stegos it could be like 18-20% while for omnis it would be like 45%

[scarlet ocean]

(Saying that from a psychologist view point btw, discussion isn’t exactly a place to go at each other’s throats. Some disagree, some agree, nothing personal, just agree to disagree with each other)

[tall hearth]

I feel like I wasnt at all heated during any of it. I just gave a similar gameplay example with the same level of "fun and management"

If I want to stay or leave the water it should be my choice, aside from droughts in the future. I'm ok with that, since that's a mechanic out of my control I'd have to adapt to, not just "oh time to get out of the water, I'm getting debuffed or taking damage over time"

Or another example, It would be kinda like taking a stamina debuff since I havent ran enough, even if that's not my gameplay style.

The game would be forcing me to run, when I like to conserve stam and trot

[scarlet ocean]

A little imo, so I’m just making u aware. Saying stuff like “I literally wouldn’t care”, and saying “you want that too”, it all sounded very passive-aggressive, example would be- “you want that too HUH?!?”, as if they’re being belittled for just wanting something differently than others.
If I misunderstood the intention, sorry, but it really sounded like it. especially since he already dropped the topic 3 msgs ago.

And yeah ofc it is, as should be =) When he didn’t disclose how often, I’d think he meant a few hrs, since deino still needs its core mechanic of being a semi aquatic, so it needs to stay under for longer periods of time to catch something drinking, like crocs irl, they just chill underwater for half a day most of the time. But if temperature management isn’t taken too extremely, it would just be a semi-passive nice interaction. Isle needs extra Dino interactions and actions anyway. Rather than just grow, swim around, kill some stuff/nest and die 😅.

[tall hearth]

I don't mean to come off as passive-aggressive in my comments, if that's how it looks. It's never my intent to. I'm more of a "straight to the point" discusser, as well as trying to provide similar examples for the discussion.

Elder stages and perks should help with the "end game growing" I suppose. You'll want your dino to live and die without fighting to the death, so you die a natural death and may be able to choose a perk to help you grow and survive the next life. Whatever the devs intend to do with perks and how they'll work exactly, who knows.

[barren zephyr]

@fleet tiger I like how you can sneak up on dinosaurs easier now even if it's not 100% logical

Because carnos charge actually can work as an ambush now

What's wrong with my suggestion? #general-feedback message

[urban flax]

Deino players don't want their main to be nerfed, that's all
Also a struggle mechanic is hard to implement properly

If it ends up bein like bucking and just pressing a button to get free, it has no reason to ever be added, because it doesn't add any form of interaction

[scarlet ocean]

Do ppl actually disagree that deino shouldnt grab something thats pretty much its weight?

Haven't met a person who has thought like that yet 🤔

[urban flax]

Some people said deino should be able to grab things up to 2x its weight

[scarlet ocean]

w h a t 💀

[pulsar lake]

#general-feedback message
Tbf that was really only shown for Alcione. The Tethydraco nested in a colony and guarded their hatchlings. Maybe different nesting techniques in game for different pterosaurs, assuming they add more than just ptera and quetz

[urban flax]

Like irl crocs

[scarlet ocean]

soo, they basically want a deino to grab a full adult rex, which is almost the same weight as deino, dieno 8t, rex 8.8t

[urban flax]

No
They want deino to be able to grab a full-grown adult shant, which is 15 tons

[scarlet ocean]

oh, so even worse

I get that deino is very much an apex, weight, power, but also w h a t

[urban flax]

Isle players

[scarlet ocean]

But thats just overdoing it o-o i get them thinking it can grab something maybe 6-7T, while being a 8t boi, but 15? (6-7 wouldnt be anymore reasonable, but atleast lower than 15 O-O)

like, have atleast a little bit of logic behind it. None of those scenarios are logical, but its much worse when they want to grab a shant x^x, how would they even do it, it physically couldnt wrap its jaws around it

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but if they don't implement one they'll have to make rex heavier than 4 tons at a young age or it'll struggle with drinking like mid tiers do

[scarlet ocean]

maybe if they interoduce a grab mechanic, like take one of its legs and try to struggle, which would be cool. but dont know how balanced that would be

Yeah, if u compare it to irl creatures 💀

[urban flax]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/1054325519048519754
Hey check out this awesome idea of a deino grab/struggle mechanic

[scarlet ocean]

yeah its nice, not neccesarily a buff, cause the dinos that cant be 100% grabbed by a deino could still fight back, stomp its head in or something

[urban flax]

I... Don't know ? The problem is, being big doesn't make you proportionnally stronger. That's why there are no multiple meters-long insects

[scarlet ocean]

i think it should be able to grab anything too, but some creatures it simply won't want to grab, and just cause it can, doesnt mean it should, cause the bigger thing will probably mess it up, unless theres 2-3 adult crocs

[fossil pagoda]

That would be really cool actually. It is probably not too easy to implement though.

[urban flax]

ofc yes
A deino can grab a trike's head
But it would lose at least half its health in the process

[scarlet ocean]

and maybe not even succeed, and possibly die, but non the less, have a chance which is super interactive (since trikes are excellent rex killers, so wouldnt see why it would struggle with deino),

[scarlet ocean]

most likely, it would need a whole new animation set, a new mechanic and give fighting back powers to the entire roster

[urban flax]

Yeah that would probably require walking backwards animations for every dino... although I can see the mechanic working without that, it would probably look terrible

[scarlet ocean]

But if they dont implement it, which is very likely, cause thats so much more work, like ALOT of more work, then deino will only be able to grab GRAB something as heavy as a Cory and a Pachyrino, and everything below. Cory 4.1t and Rino 4.2, which is still a little little bit over half. but even if the mechanic never gets added, i wouldnt even be mad, thats still more than 50% of the roster

[scarlet ocean]

yeah, most likely

^^;

[scarlet ocean]

Basically saying, if we don't get the best outcome, imo. Then the next best thing isn't that awful, it rlly isnt 💀

plus big juvi apexes and early sub apexes will most likely still be grabbable. Why do they need to grab a full adult rex/shant.

idk

They can even grab below full adult stegos, which are 7t when 100%, i feel like thats already amazing, since stegos are known to have a semi-fair 1v1 with rex, and the fact that a 100% deino can grab about a 70-80% one imo is already a good privilige (dont play stego, and dont know its weight scaling up to adult, but i'd imagine somewhere around that, ive seen some big stegos get grabbed who arent 100% yet)

[urban flax]

fg stego is 6t*

[scarlet ocean]

ig they slightly nerfed it then, used to be 7, apologies ^^;

[urban flax]

I don't think stego was ever 7 tons in evrima

[icy lion]

It used to be 4 before update 3

[scarlet ocean]

I just want to know how they plan to grab a full adult shant, the thickness of that chonker (Ik deino can open its jaws rlly wide, thats why i overlined its snout and bottom jaw. But that still wouldn't be enough to lift it up from the ground, sideways and get it over to the water.)

[scarlet ocean]

damn xD

[quasi wing]

Maybe when a shant drinks the dieno grabs it head and initiates a struggle?

[scarlet ocean]

I was more referring to if they don't add the grab mechanic, and just stick with deino junging something half or a little bit over half of its weight. (like it realistically should)
Like what i said in the msgs above. If they dont add the whole new mechanic with new animations. (which imo is very unlikely, it would be very hard to animate and implement, new animations and interactions for every single 20+ dinos)

[quasi wing]

Ah okay I see, apologies

[icy lion]

@full canopy It's X. If it's not visible in the settings, check the pins in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[full canopy]

Yeah, X didn't work so I'll check if there are some answers there.

[rancid raptor]

no, moving would not be good at all. Herbivores should never be able to move bodies. This is just asking for chaos.

[rancid raptor]

Gore and diets were fine to begin with, they're only being improved.

Carno, utah and deino were also fine to begin with - pretty much. They're just getting improved and balanced as the roster and environment changes.

So no, it's not the same at all. Your example doesn't correlate to what I mentioned.
Gateway should not be released until the devs are comfortable releasing it

[somber elm]

Why? It’s really annoying having a baby that died near the nest attracting predators and it won’t be destroyed

[rancid raptor]

Then switch locations. It doesn't matter that it won't get destroyed, if you still have the possibility to grief by placing it somewhere which would cause a carnivore to have difficulties getting to the body

[tardy barn]

maybe just let you drag it out of the nest area

[somber elm]

How would that work? Herbivores that can jump can’t jump with a carcass

[tardy barn]

just letting herbs be able to interact with dead bodies freely will create griefing issues

but i do think that letting them move/destroy them close to nest grounds is fine

[rancid raptor]

Moving it to a cliff? Moving it into a ditch/a rock formation? Moving it beside of water when you're a stego?

Do you think it's that hard for herbis to find a way to make the body unreachable? Not at all. Herbis don't always have much to do, so it's not illogical to think that herbis would end up griefing in this way

[sterile pivot]

@pallid frost As a adult utah I have soloed 60-70% carnos and bled pachys and tenos. For such a small dino, it should not be powerful enough to solo a carno/teno or anything higher. Personally, I feel it needs a bit of a nerf against tenos and stegos, and a buff against pachys. Carno fights are fairly balanced, dienos obv cant be fought.

[rancid raptor]

limiting it to only beside of a nest would raise the question "why can't i destroy it outside of the nest?" It'd just be illogical
Besides, there will be many nesting locations throughout the map. If there is a carcass, simply move locations.

[rancid raptor]

Do you consistently solo carnos that seem to know how to play??

60-70%

What's your strategy? Do you tap-pounce? Do you pounce your stam to half? What do you do ??

[sterile pivot]

Yes. I play in deathmatch quite often. You can evade carnos if you need to, and if you do a bit of bleed/small pounces, then dodge/hide, you can take them down

[sterile pivot]

I pounce for only 1-3 ticks depending on how fast they start bucking, then I run and hide or dodge continously until I regen stam and repeat till they die

You have to make sure your dodging right, and finding a good mix between not letting them get far enough away to charge and not draining your own stam is vital

[rancid raptor]

I see

Haven't been playing deathmatch at all, i'll try to play around with that

Didn't know that was possible as a utah vs 70% mediocre carnos

[tardy barn]

are there deathmatch evrima servers?

i really feel like winning as utah vs carno is more skill issue of the carno

[sterile pivot]

Yeah, tbh 70%ish is hardest since they are fast and can still kill you with charge, but for me I have greater confidence when they are smaller sized 😂

[sterile pivot]

Free admin servers are the only way

[rancid raptor]

how often are they active

are they named "deathmatch"?

[sterile pivot]

15+ players consistently

[tardy barn]

yea i would love to try some stuff out

[sterile pivot]

No type in "get" for "admin" and they will pull up. The one I play on is nordan, though its actual name is get free admin //httmlblahblahblah

I can send you a server inv to get the free admin too if you want. You do have to join for admin perms(Not my server im not advertising just informing that its neccesary)

[rancid raptor]

Yeah can you do that? Would appreciate

brb

[tardy barn]

@cinder tartan #general-feedback message
I really love your idea and i also hope that they add a reason to actually value your life in the game and add more graceful way to respawn than finding the nearest cliff/river

[cinder tartan]

thank

[sage yew]

Is this really considered to be a nerf?
Like you can't nerf it, if it wasn't balanced
in the first place. It's just a thing to what
people had enough time to adapt to.

https://youtu.be/D0ADgkBVVA4?t=189
It definitely doesn't feel like everything is
set in place mechanic wise and every
change would be a buff or a nerf from now
on. It's just a prove of concept, nothing
more.

Modern crocodiles weigh up to 1.3 Ton,
while a hippo weighs somewhat of 2 Ton
and I hiiiiiighly doubt a croc would run with
a hippo in his mouth around.

Like a freaking puppy with his favourite
stick, wtf.

[limber hull]

I don’t understand what hippos have to do with anything lol

[tardy barn]

it's people once again using realism as an example to balance gameplay with (tho this time this person is imo 100% correct and deino shouldn't be able to carry adult carnos for 2-3 business weeks to the nearest river)

[sage yew]

I don't really get the issue with croc and hippo comparison, if it's about a deino carrying something twice it's own body weight at full sprint.

[limber hull]

It can’t do that though

[sage yew]

well, yes, that's what I've said

[quiet nacelle]

Anyone else having eyes not rendering? I've noticed it on deino and steggi. Verifying files and reinstalling did not fix.

[supple flame]

U do realise that Dino crocs where bigger

[somber elm]

@tawdry pond Deino can already eat rotten meat

[lost plinth]

#general-feedback message @empty epoch or remove/not include things that arent gonna be added in the "first iteration" of things like troodon mimicry :^))))

#general-feedback message @scarlet ocean this is mainly due to collision and isn't a problem easily solved without some degree of a performance hit. More precise collision will lead to more required calculation for physics and... well, collisions. A more precise collider could allow Ptera and others to more realistically latch on but it might cause a performance hit as this isn't just one tree getting a few extra polygons to calculate with, but several hundreds.

[final creek]

<@&933486433342222376> <@&401466542140817419> is it possible if you could unban this user? @tommot#3933 hes been banned for about a year and he says that hes a changed man

[north sentinel]

He will have to fill out this form https://dyno.gg/form/8ceec187

[final creek]

i sent it to him, thankyou!

[brave sonnet]

@tawdry pond i saw your post in the feed back section and to answer it deinos can eat rotting meat ans bones. If you have all nutrient spots blank eating bones will give you a perfect diet as well

[compact flare]

Harriet

[north sentinel]

[limber hull]

@pulsar lake no ETAs, thems the rules

i'd like 'em too but they've made it clear they aren't handing out timeframes

[burnt bone]

This update they decided to actually say “U6 by end of the year”, and you can see it was obviously rushed. Which is why they don’t like giving etas lol. I’d rather never know when the update drops than to get an polished product for months.

[supple flame]

why cant ptera land on big tree branches like it cant be hard to make them have a collision box or whatever its called

[burnt bone]

Prob a mix of optimization and waiting for the climbing mechanic.

[supple flame]

i guess

[tepid gate]

I'd rather know when they intend to drop it and have it delayed if necessary.

But I can absolutely see how most people would screech whenever something happens and an update ends up being delayed so it's kind of not surprising the devs don't want to give those ETAs.

[urban flax]

They should give ETAs but add an hypothetical year on top of them so people aren't disappointed
So they would have said "Update 6 by the end of 2023" and they wouldn't have to rush things
Although I can see people still getting mad at such ETAs

[burnt bone]

Same, but people would be fuming if it got delayed. Then it’s going to start the argument of “devs aren’t trustworthy” etc etc. just causes more anger than it’s worth.

[tall hearth]

The only ETA I'd want is if an update is ready, they let us know a few days beforehand. Any more than that and problems could arise with it releasing, some bug making it take longer or just it outright not being feasible in X amount of time.

[topaz pendant]

@burnt bone is there a reason for the dislike on the ai feedback ? Just curious really lol

[minor rune]

Your issues with ETAs are not a problem with the ETA but with the devs, ETAs are given to keep them accountable so we aren’t stuck in the place we are in right now, never knowing when an update could release and at the mercy of the devs to give us anything

[faint folio]

Honestly having seen multiple dev styles, it's really a mix of both. The isle has a tendency to over promise and underestimate the amount of time needed to develop a feature, which results in unrealistic deadlines that causes stress and half implemented, rushed features that lack polish

But no deadlines at all makes it very easy for a development project to lack accountability

Whereas there is another early access game I follow called Ranch Simulator, and that dev team releases a yearly roadmap including ETAs, and pretty regularly meets those goals. But the goals they choose are pretty small/focused allowing them to finish early and add polish, plus getting some buffer in case of unexpected delays

[minor rune]

Tbh I don’t care how small the goals are I just want the devs to stick to an eta for once and have a half assed way of implementing it

[fossil pagoda]

The communication around this game is quite horrible to be honest

It is not only kind of hostile at times, but also we do not really know what they are working on, when things might drop, even sometimes it makes you thing that things will come with certain update, only to discover when such update drops that it wasn't the case, like migrations in the last update

[tepid gate]

they did and tbh a lot of people say they shouldn't have done that

U6 was released before the end of 2022 as intended

they've effectively finished the work on the mechanics etc. well before the year ended

the issue is they didn't have enough time for testing which resulted in some questionable balance outcomes

[minor rune]

IMO the gore system in its current state is pretty booty bc like what do the organs do other than giving you food

[tepid gate]

they give you nutrients?

The gore system is a vast improvement over the snoozefest that was U4 and U5

it's not very flashy but it actually has a large impact over the meta game

and makes active growth vastly more appealing

hunting players is currently rewarded thanks to the gore system

unlike the old diets which incentivised being afk and hunting AI

U6 was a carnivore update mainly although it brought some improvements for the herbivores too

[minor rune]

Ok but like what do they do other than give nutrients bc eating the corpses already gives you the same nutrient

[icy lion]

They can give a variety of nutrients from the corpse

They don't all give you the same as the corpse

What would you prefer they do?

[minor rune]

But how do we know what organ gives what bc it’s not on the diet menu

If it was in the diet menu like heart gives the squiggly line and lungs give the dots then I would be more lenient but nothing tells you

[icy lion]

Currently they all scent the same which sucks, so right now you just have to remember or test around with it. Ideally the scent will be updated so the icons match

Heart always gives proteins (s), lungs give carbs (dots), intestines give lipids (lines)

They also give a proportionally massive amount of nutrients compared to normal flesh

[minor rune]

Ok that makes more sense but also some of the changes to the diet system are terrible

[icy lion]

Such as?

[sage yew]

beside of scent-radar not working on organs properly, the new diet system is an improvement

[minor rune]

Well I like the way that you can pick and choose from the three nutrients but I have issues with the fact that actually getting the combo you want can be a pain, like if you eat a little too much and get another segment then too bad you have to either wait it out or puke to get rid of it

Also the fact that it doesn’t count the nutrient until it’s full

[sage yew]

just stop eating when one of your diets get full

[fossil pagoda]

I hope they change this so you can choose which hexagon you want to fill

[sage yew]

hm, don't know how balancing will be done later, but choosing your diet "plans" would make it too easy

the only thing that's not feasible anymore is mindless eating

[obsidian jetty]

The diet system still do be a bit wonky tbh, like it will sometimes fill an empty slot rather than the one that's already active and has the same nutrient in it (at like 15% or something) and "overriding" a nutrient slot is a bit of a pain...I've been trying to come up with a way to improve it, because I think choosing which hexagon to fill or selecting one to clear...is kinda ridiculous, because...that's not how nutrients work, right?

But I don't really know how to improve it...I been thinking about making it merely a visual thing...like just a display of the amount of nutrients you actually have...but I couldn't really figure out how to actually make that work either. Say you have 175 Protein, 125 Lipid and 35 Carbs...the Protein and Lipid would be active, assuming that the hexagons activate at 100 and maybe the third one would be Protein in that case as that's the highest with an extra 75...but it wouldn't be active? Unless they activate immediately (which would kinda make sense anyway because you can use it as soon as it's in your system, right?), but if you eat Carbs more and that becomes the highest it would switch the 75 Protein as soon as you reach 76 Carbs? I dunno really, was just a thought...

[burnt bone]

I just dislike Dino ai of playables. It makes them feel less like unique dinos and instead just playable ai. Plus, it’s basically a bandaid fix to a foundational issue. If no one likes playing the small guys, figure out why. I’m fine with ai mammals and such, just not dinos

[sage yew]

diet system needs some polishing
but you don't get up to 175 protein, it only goes to 100

[obsidian jetty]

partly true as you can have 2 hexes of protein

but that's kinda what I meant, the game would check for the total amount rather than amount by hex...I can't word it properly -.-'

[fossil pagoda]

then it should always fill the hexagon with that diet first, and only later start to fill a new one

[obsidian jetty]

yes, but it doesn't always do that...also the hexes don't seem to work as a "spillover" but as seperate things, which feels weird to me as well (even tho I guess that's for balancing purposes) as they also empty at the same rate and at the same time, which I think causes that "filling an empty one before refilling the already active one"-issue

But I guess...in my...very confused idea the game wouldn't ask "what did we eat first" but instead "what did we eat the most of"...kinda...in order to decide what to put into the hexes...o.o

[chilly ermine]

Posted an idea to create more tracking mechanics in game #general-feedback let me know what you think

[uneven mist]

@icy flare you mean concept?

[clever lion]

The new update coming in 2099 the isle

[limber hull]

hilarious

never heard that joke before

[tall hearth]

what did you do to get image muted lol

[clever lion]

🤷‍♂️

[uneven mist]

♻️

[clever lion]

Hypo tree

[uneven mist]

The recycle of the hyper tree, where all life stims from

https://tenor.com/view/erdtree-elden-ring-8fn2s73nas8n-gif-25156509

[limber hull]

@gusty hull omni is meant to look unrealistic, that's why it's named an animal that never existed

they made it clear they aren't remodelling it, and the name is probably the final name

[chilly ermine]

@somber wraith I watched your gif and I'm trying to figure out why the avatar is jerking around like that. When I eat, it will lock camera and allow a 25ish degree angle of view but not jerk the character around like that.

[maiden anvil]

@pallid frost a bit late to comment by now but as long as a suicide option doesn’t cause a unnecessary amount of dead bodies around to feed carnivores or cause game performance negatively I’m okay with it. I also disliked cause I’m jealous how your suggestion received better success then mine as we kinda recommend similar things lol

[agile roost]

[somber wraith]

It’s because I’m grazing. You can hold the movement keys and attempt look around and it’ll jerk back like what is shown in the gif

[chilly ermine]

@full canopy the deino isn’t ‘draining’ your stamina. When you are grabbed, your dino will auto buck, or try to get away. The deino’s stamina goes down as well (and fast) because it is trying to hold on to you. The best counter to this is to make sure you have full stam when you going to drink or be close to water. I’ve lost several grabs because my stam was low when I grabbed.

I’m not sure how a dino could break free from the grab if stamina wasn’t being used.

[faint folio]

I mean... I think the issue with auto buck is that it FEELS like there's nothing you can do as a player. There's no player interaction with the mechanic, so there's no buy in or investment. You just have to watch your dino and hope you have more Stam than the croc. I realize press E to buck isn't the best interaction on the planet, but it's better than nothing.

Also, even if the croc runs out of Stam, usually you're in the water at that point, and everything except semi aquatics has atrocious swim speeds and usually can't tank 500 damage bites long enough to get to shore. In short... The chance of actually getting away from a deino is terrible, and that combined with the fact that apparently since the update sub deino can run as fast as a Utah quite a distance from the water to grab a full adult carno and then run all the way back while carrying carno... Yeah

I've done it on a carno when the deino accidentally whacked me into a rock and the collision freed me, and I've done it on teno when I managed to outstam the deino and swim to shore because teno swims quickly, but it's not normal to have a chance

[sage yew]

Currently it's a bit messy, because (nearly) all interactions are happening at
center, and boredome plays into deinos cards as you get a bit careless.

but you can avoid deinos by not roaming around rivers. Sure, you need to
drink from time to time, but deinos hot-spots consume all the deinos and
other parts of the river are mostly safe, unless a traversing deino comes by,
but that's rare

what I want to say is, if you have problems with deinos, it's mostly your own
fault. That is completely independent of the (broken) grabbing and carrying
mechanics

Currently it goes mostly like this
you need food + so you go center spawn = entertainment
center spawn + river = deinos
boredom + carelessness = getting grabbed by deino

therefore
hunger = deino

so it feels totally understandable that people are upset about
deinos, but without buffing/nerfing or changing mechanics, it all
could play out once the spawn system gets an overhaul with gateway

as the current spawn points only lead to predictable gameplay loops

btw. deinos are not the only ones with such a mechanic
Omnis pin down small prey as well and it's mostly a certain kill once done, with little to no chance to escape

even when Omnis attack omnis with the same size
the first pouncer wins

but how to solve this...
with quick time events maybe?
at least I don't know how a player could be actually involved into the process of self defending

[tall hearth]

press and hold ALT and then start grazing, you can move your camera around while grazing but you won't turn around wildly

[chilly ermine]

I think changes to grab could be made for sure. For instance, I’ve stated before that a location based grab would add a lot to gameplay and dynamics of the deino. The grab would act a little bit differently when attacking head, body or limbs/tail. I really think this would add a lot to game and also make a stego kill more viable if the head was grabbed.

That being said, a land deino should not imo be a viable option. Deinos running on land to grab/carry pray father than a few meters is just silly. I and has shifted the attention away from eating other crocs (population control) to land hunting.

[faint folio]

I don't necessarily care about deinos running on land (its the only truly viable way for non-adults to escape adult predation), but tbh if you grab 2T animals, you SHOULD be slowed down a LOT. and it should be absolutely exhausting to carry that much on land (rapid stam drain). In the water, buoyancy helps you lift a lot more than you could on land, so I am more okay with slower stam drain in water if lunging. Just this change would prevent a lot of land croc behavior

[faint folio]

quick time events might be an interesting defense mechanic to situations like pin/lunge where the defender needs to try to escape an attacker's grasp

[sage yew]

I though this would bring the usual discussion with it, of how stupid
these mechanics are, but at least it's feasible

It could work similarly to wrestling, where both opponents try to gain
control with skilful manoeuvring.

Maybe the approach of Valve - Left 4 Dead and the
implementation of the Jockey could be interesting as well.
Both players have short time windows where they can manoeuvre
and are able to partially cancel each others movement out, while
both of them try to dictate the direction of movement.

https://youtu.be/eVE4KJpioGA
https://youtu.be/o_sAL_lHMCc?t=205
Lunge and pinning down could work similarly

[proud coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-thinking-batman-gif-14744673

[compact forum]

Carnos ram needs to be looked over, I get the end of my tail rammed and it knocks me down for like 5 seconds? Make it so it has to hit atleast the base of your tail

[sage yew]

you can post it in #general-feedback, but it already got mentioned and voted in like every second post there

[minor rune]

whoever asked for the poop mechanic needs their head checked

[clever lion]

True

[sage yew]

and you are not toxic at all.

[minor rune]

wdym

[icy lion]

@paper crag I'm pretty sure you can have both installed but you might need to fiddle with some files. I think the pinned instructions in #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 still work

Oh man the bot's not checking things again

[sage yew]

your comment was totally unnecessary and you made it into a personal thing, like your head is alright, hm?

[minor rune]

i mean i was just expressing that is not a good idea

[icy lion]

Then you can say that instead of making degrading comments about the OP

[minor rune]

ok having a poop mechanic is dumb for many reasons

[sage yew]

you could've expressed it by simply pressing ❌
and calling something dumb is still not a matter of discussion

[minor rune]

i mean i was calling it dumb to see if anyone disagreed and then wanted to discuss that

[chilly ermine]

Agreed, it should be more like dragging

[sage yew]

that's not how it works. Be polite, ask questions or even try to improve ideas.

[sage yew]

@urban bear
#general-feedback message

What is actually defining "good" or "bad" lighting? Subjectively
speaking this might be easy to answer: good clarity, good contrast
and maybe nice visuals. All good, case closed.

But even though the lighting dynamics are currently a bit off, I really
like this approach. Instead of trying to fix shadows, contrast or
saturation, I'd rather suggest few things:

1. dynamic aperture/exposure

• naturally are your eyes adjusting to deviating light values. As pupil
  dilitate and constrict to adapt to different lighting environments, it is
  usually perceived as "normal", not too bright, or too dark. Even
  though a forest is actually way darker then open fields.

2. make Night-Vision into an passive ability
now that eyes are able to adjust to different lighting values, I want to
embrace the shadows of the game. As one of the many ways to use
terrain to you advantage, is being able to hide in the shadows. Which
is not possible if everyone is able to bypass the lighting values, by
turning on NV and it's even worse: if you want to enjoy visuals, you
are actually in an disadvantage, if you don't have NV always on, as it's
so beneficial, while totally looking like garbage during day time.

3. and yes, actually change the lighting in general
as it just doesn't look so good. Shadows are sometimes way too dark,
while they would be illuminated by the sky, via scattering. When I go
out of the house during sunrise and sunset, I don't go suddenly blind.
That's not how it works. =.=

But nonetheless, even though the lighting, contrast and coloration is
somewhat weird, it's actually really interesting to engage with
different lighting situations and I would like to see more emphasis on
it, without drifting into some sort of comfort zone, where everything
is plainly illuminated in a super even way - just for the ease of
gameplay.

[sage yew]

@acoustic lance
you shouldn't bother about spiro as it will be dropped for a new map soon™️

[burnt bone]

@queen ember from what I have heard, that is intentional. But I do agree it should probably not be that way, just makes nesting even more tedious and less people do it.

[sage yew]

if it's "tedious" or not, depends only on the benefits it will provide.
But to be fair, I thought it would give 3 diets as well.

And to the benefits, there are currently none. But maybe the
artificial spawn point will play out with the new spawning system and
the new map.

[burnt bone]

if there are more benefits to balance out the tedium, then yeah sure. But currently, there is next to no reason for it.

[sage yew]

Would guess that it is obvious that a sort of benefit will be linked to the nesting mechanic, as there is currently no point in doing it ...but who knows, as the devs are not really clear on this topic, or any other

[feral solstice]

@rare fractal goddamn great idea, and would make getting hits in feel more rewarding

[rare fractal]

I'm glad the reception has been positive....it's one of the ideas I've been trying to come up with in making the players who know what they're doing feel more secure or have better chances, as that should naturally be the reward of a higher skill level

Which the game currently struggles to provide whether it be the unending forms of BS the game kills you with or with just...low skill ceilings

And like...I get it it's a survival game, but what's the point of a survival game when mastering the mechanics combat and positioning of your animal barely enhances your chances of survival...

All goes back to that "what's the point of even getting better"

[limber hull]

@north viper you are aware that they're adding a dino next update, right?

[north viper]

dam 1 dino a year great schedule

also when the update

[limber hull]

pretty sure they made it clear that they're working on mechanics, then dinos

but sure

[north viper]

mb didnt know it was a mechanics game

[limber hull]

games needing mechanics?

when did they start doing that?

damn the isle to be the first ever game to introduce mechanics

[north viper]

mb didn’t know it took a year to add ribs and scavengers

[limber hull]

it didnt

lmao

[north viper]

if it’s more then 3 months for that it’s kinda sad

they break in records on update distance

[limber hull]

i dont know what metric you're going off, but there's no predetermined update deadline before it becomes "bad"

you realise minecraft, a multibillion dollar game funded by microsoft also takes forever to update

[north viper]

a year is a good start

[limber hull]

good thing they're already good on that front

so we're off to a good start

[north viper]

yeah if it’s a distant update they give etas so people know they are yknow updating the game

[limber hull]

oh yea, i forgot, all this game does is show off progress and plans in phase three and devlogs

[north viper]

you mean drawings

[limber hull]

but i guess they arent working on updates since we didnt get a date

[limber hull]

oh yea, those recent devstreams showing tons of animations for upcoming animals? stupid drawings

you realise the concept art doesn't hinder the development speed at all, right

its a separate thing

[north viper]

yeah cause everyone wants to watch the streams on a game you don’t get etas on

[limber hull]

not my fault you dont want info on coming updates lol

you do you, but dont complain about the lack of dino info after we've been given dino info lol

[north viper]

ight when’s it gonna release

[limber hull]

they dont give ETAs, why is this hard to grasp

it doesn't matter if or if not we get a date lol

[north viper]

because it’s dumb that they don’t

[limber hull]

why?

[north viper]

etas hold devs to finish stuff

that’s the point of them

[limber hull]

etas hold devs to deliver a rushed project everyone complains about

[barren crater]

Why would they want that?

[limber hull]

see Update 6

[barren crater]

Like why would they want to force it.

[limber hull]

they wanted to finish it before the year and promised it

now everyone is complaining it was rushed lol

[north viper]

so they have a eta

[barren crater]

Yeah also the troodon thing

[limber hull]

at least they actually decided against that

i didnt want my first troo experience to be a broken mess

way too much to cram into a small timeframe

[north viper]

did you just say a year is rushed

[limber hull]

it didnt take a year lol

idk what this fixation on a timeframe that never happened is

[north viper]

the timeframe is a year and they got a gore update out

[limber hull]

they got more than just the gore update out that year

you are aware of this

[north viper]

oh mb the nesting feature everyone uses

[limber hull]

ah, of course, you dislike the feature so you discredit it

[north viper]

and the 8th version of diet

[limber hull]

excellent argument, if you didnt like the update, it didn't exist

[north viper]

no it’s that no one likes that it’s not talked about

[limber hull]

lots of people love skins and nesting

[north viper]

everyone be sayin it’s useless

[limber hull]

you not liking it doesnt make it any less valid

[limber hull]

damn, and how are more dinos gonna fix that? rather than mechanics that can help flesh it out?

[north viper]

what’s left to flesh out then

well dino’s to nest would help

and yknow actual advantages to nesting

[limber hull]

which are being added with the perks and elders update

two important mechanics

idek what the problem is, troodon is confirmed for next update

and its quite likely we'll get beipi too

[north viper]

dam its not like they could release it all at once

[north viper]

dam gotta wait till like december for a new dino

[limber hull]

no, it really isnt

[limber hull]

also quite a stretch much

funny "update take year" joke, despite the fact it never has

[north viper]

didnt know they could just yknow not add the update till elders are ready

[north viper]

its been a year since the last update people like

[limber hull]

*last update you like

[north viper]

mb didnt know people asking for uses for nesting in feedback was all just me

[limber hull]

mb didnt know the only people playing the isle were the people who complain about nesting in feedback lol

[north viper]

dam you sure you aint a admin

[limber hull]

the hell does that even mean

[north viper]

nah theres alot more issues not even been looked at in there

[north viper]

devs never look in feedback

[limber hull]

they do because i've literally seen them respond to feedback posts but sure

[north viper]

show me one thats a actual response and not a"we are working on it but it wont release for years"

[limber hull]

what?

so "we are working on it" isn't an actual response

[north viper]

they say it to everything

then jsut never think about it again

or take ages they started work on troodon in 2020

and its still not out

[clever lion]

True

[uneven mist]

Yeah fr fr they never look at feedback channels

[north viper]

did it get implemented

[low canopy]

To be completely fair, it's easy to respond to feedback - takes like a minute max
Whole another point is how you act upon it

just words, no action

[acoustic lance]

Thanks for letting me know, hopefully the new one doesn't have that issue I guess.

[tardy barn]

don't blame them for not looking that much in these channels lmao a lot of the posts are WHY DEV BAD DEV RELEASE ALL DINOS NOW

[limber hull]

<@&933486433342222376> i dont think that there's any feedback in the latest post

ah, its gone

[urban flax]

For a sec I thought you were mentioning Cobalitic's post

It seemed harsh

[limber hull]

nah

[limber hull]

i screwd up

lmao

@frosty thunder you realise the nesting grounds were a secondary task to gateway, right? The focus of the level design wasn't placed on them, since spiro was going to be discarded anyway

[frosty thunder]

So your telling me that, the devs are adding/moving stuff to a map that they are just gonna trash? That makes no sense.

[limber hull]

what

thats not at all what im saying

im saying the reason there wasn't as much work done on the nesting grounds as, say, the coasts, is because the level designer was already preoccupied with gateway

it's likely the nesting grounds will look significantly better on gateway

a few of them on spiro are actually quite good already tho

like the one near swamp, that one is sick

[bleak bison]

@frosty thunder I agree with this message

[limber hull]

?

[queen ember]

Just cause they read it now doesn’t mean it’ll be implemented soon. But they did add a death screen

[limber hull]

@twin merlin gateway changes it, its SO much better

i've played it, its better loading both performance and visual wise

you log in and you get to move

[twin merlin]

ayy sick

cus i finally get my new gpu and stuff is still lookin like an N64 cus of the loading 💀

[limber hull]

theres a large mountain and you can literally see quite clearly across the island

its genuinely beautiful

[twin merlin]

couldnt come sooner

[limber hull]

for example

[twin merlin]

dude. hell yeah

bringing back the beauty to the game then

[limber hull]

its an awesome map, very excited for official release

[sage yew]

maybe they do it every now and then, but I don't see any prove that they actually follow what is happening there. You just gotta believe

but well, as we all know, a game is only as good as the amount of playables, everyone knows that - duh

I mean, just look at this quality content
https://youtu.be/3z65r9ZabRg
they have dozens of dinos, so much better

@north viper

Quote from Rules of the Internet

Rule 6:
"Anonymous can be a horrible, senseless, uncaring monster."

**Explanation **
"Once again, remember G.I.F.T., but more so, the dreaded Internet troll -
someone who deliberately sabotages a forum with anger-inducing
comments just to watch its occupants go ballistic, and/or derail a whole
discussion."

** G.I.F.T:**
"G.I.F.Ted people always spoil the fun".

[tawdry oyster]

@queen ember I can have NV underwater wdym

[queen ember]

You can but it doesn’t work the same as above water

[tawdry oyster]

It does for me 🤷‍♂️

[queen ember]

So you can see the same filter of grey/black/white etc and not the murky brown?

Underwater

[clever lion]

......

[sage yew]

@polar inlet that's simply not true. Since U6 the AI spawn is way more generous

[sage yew]

@warm dust or how about desensitising herbivores to pick up scents of dead bodies?

#general-feedback message

[tawdry oyster]

Yes

[sage yew]

@tawdry oyster dried up mud becomes brittle and just falls off

[barren zephyr]

@fierce cedar, If they pushed out all dinos like they did in legacy it would become legacy

[fierce cedar]

Wdym push

It’s been a year. Nothing is being pushed

[barren zephyr]

They needed their core mechanics done first

It's always been that U7 would have at least 7 dinos

[icy lion]

What?

[barren zephyr]

that's not confirmed though

[barren zephyr]

Awhile during U3 there was talk about having about 7-10 dinos in U7

[fierce cedar]

By update 7?

[barren zephyr]

Not saying that that'll happen

but that's my theory

Dinosaurs couldn't have been released before U6 otherwise it'd take even longer

[icy lion]

Bryan's been working on dino production in full force, it's cool to see

[drifting rose]

tbh ive given up on the fact a dinosaur could come into the dinosaur game only thing keeping me alive is the concept arts and gateway

[fierce cedar]

Lol fr

[barren zephyr]

If they had released anything before U6, they would've had to delay U6 even longer

they've already confirmed dinos for U6.5 and U7

so just be a little more patient

Ik it's been along time, but it's still in development