general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

you'd get lost the moment it hit night

there's a few issues here, number one is that it promotes AFK growth

[safe umbra]

Is there any way for me to get help`?

[urban flax]

Depends on your issue and if you ask in the right channel (which is not this one)
If you have a problem with the game you can ask in #isle-discussion or #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[barren crater]

Well tbf, they did say it would significantly reduce afk growth. I'd say not to allow them to afk grow AT ALL and let them sleep through the night with reduced water and food decay.

[vivid needle]

I don't share that opinion, i had great time with friends ingame with that night vision, although it was not perfect i give you that

[limber hull]

im not saying old NV wasn't fun, I'm just saying darkness = immediately lost

because my vision is so limited and everything looks the same

[vivid needle]

and if you don't know the map yeh u can also get lost during daytime, but it's supposed to be horror game, so i don't see why night time should be too easy anyway

i don't think they should make a night time where you see too much tho

it just does not feel right for horror game imo

[limber hull]

i do like the horror aspect, but the new NV does both making it hard to see without making you lost

i think the new NV lends itself quite well to a horror experience

you can only make out shapes moving around, they still pop into your view like they did in legacy

it's the best of both worlds imho

[vivid needle]

yeh that's why i see potential, but it's not enjoyable atm, it's not hard to see, it's painful instead due to how black it is ...
I really think it would be interesting to see a mix of that one and legacy's

to a certa

certain extent *

[limber hull]

it actually seems easier to surprise people, since they can't easily tell "oh that's a dinosaur" anymore, they now have to carefully inspect the shapes of their surroundings to look for movement or anything off

[vivid needle]

yeh, but look imo dino outlines are not that great .. It feels cartoon, and too obvious to spot (i'm still waiting to experience it tho)

[limber hull]

this looks awesome as hell

[vivid needle]

see here, it's original yes, but painful

nights are going to be a lot of time in the whole cycle

it can't remain pitch black imo, too exhausting

[barren crater]

The base is OK. They have improved on it since the first iteration

I think this is the third one we've got in the ST

[urban flax]

This but dark blue instead of black

[vivid needle]

how were the others ?

[limber hull]

doesn't look painful to me, looks just awesome, but to each their own

[vivid needle]

yeh we'll see

[barren crater]

The ones previously didn't highlight your own dino at all / lacked detail on yourself

[vivid needle]

sounds nice to me, was it ?

[barren crater]

Nah. It was worse since you couldn't see yourself

[vivid needle]

aight XD

[limber hull]

prior ones were really bad afaik, just awful to see anything in

[barren crater]

Yeah

They improved it a lot and are getting a lot of feedback

[limber hull]

idk, this is really cool imho and i'm excited to get my hands on it

makes me even more excited for troo

[vivid needle]

the concept is cool, yes

[barren crater]

It's fine as a base. It's just that every dino currently has the same range so who knows how good it gets

[limber hull]

i'm most concerned about ranges atm

i hope its not "carni see good, herbi see bad"

[urban flax]

I have a gripe with that nightvision and the direction night is going tho
Irl nights are never that dark, unless it's very stormy
And on full moon nights it's sometimes almost as bright as day

[vivid needle]

true :3

[barren crater]

Also, the moon phases should effect how much light we see. It's a full moon on the ST and it's dark as hell

[barren crater]

EXACTLY THIS

[urban flax]

It's so dark it's jarring, and for me gameplay and horror isn't enough of a reason to make it so the game looks like it's all happening deep in a cave

[barren crater]

I know they'll make it brighter. I just wish the moon phases were in

I kind of expected it to be in this build tbf

[urban flax]

Besides, there are caves planned. If exterior night is that dark, how dark will caves be ? Are they gonna just turn off your monitor ?

[vivid needle]

and fog/rain, would have been neat as well

[barren crater]

We can wait for that tbf. That's more update 8 (although we have had fog)

[vivid needle]

i can tell you that oled displays are almost off when playing at night XD

[limber hull]

weather update baybee

[vivid needle]

can't wait for it ....

[barren crater]

I gave them a lot in my feedback (also added jayce's points from his gen feedback since we were discussing it). Can't wait for the next build. I hope it's tweaked more.

Maybe give us some range to each playable

[limber hull]

if dryo ends up being a nocturnal champ i will be very happy

[vivid needle]

night dino could be motion sensitive tho, that would be interesting. Like some kind of glow when a dino accelerate/decelerate (not just move)

[vivid needle]

dryo needs some love for sure, rn it's useless ...

[limber hull]

ye

also nocturnal herbi pls me want

[barren crater]

Also hypsi since it's a forest creature and why not?

[limber hull]

eh, i'm less keen on hypsi. I'd rather dryo

Hypsi already has a good few things going for it with cool nests, acid spit, massive jumps, climbing (eventually)

[barren crater]

Fair points. I'd still say it should be great? Like above utah for instance. I also wouldn't be opposed to really good NV. Eh, as long as it can see decent in the forests

[limber hull]

idk i'd say hypsi being equal to utah is fine

[barren crater]

I'd assume utah - if it was on a scale - would be above average

[limber hull]

yea

on a scale from 1-5
1: Stego
2: Carno (at least needs to see a little)
3: Pachy, teno, ptera
4: Utah, hypsi
5: Dryo, deino

Something like that

[foggy breach]

I agree, dryo is a scout animal so it needs to see well in the dark

[barren crater]

Hmmm. Rather than a scout, more like a creature that alerts things to danger

But either way, good NV is great for the creature itself. Would also give it something other than small galli

[limber hull]

Not even a scout animal, it just FITS nocturnal. It's skittish, quick, it has MASSIVE eyes and focuses more on spotting and running from danger than fighting

[limber hull]

yea, i'd give galli pretty bad NV in comparison tbh

[foggy breach]

Also shouldn't teno be on par with utah?

[limber hull]

why should it?

[barren crater]

Nah. Not really tbf.

[foggy breach]

Isn't utah teno's main predator?

It's also a swamp animal so it competes with deino

[barren crater]

No. Teno stomps utahs. Also has equal packing capacity

[limber hull]

that doesnt mean they should have better NV even if it was the case

btw, the animals lower on my "NV tier" would be buffed so that night ≠ death (besides stego)

stego remains as is

[foggy breach]

Buffed in what way?

Just stat buffs?

[foggy breach]

I agree, poor carno definitely deserves a buff

[limber hull]

basically yea

specifically carno would have lower metabolism

so night ≠ starve and die

[barren crater]

Buff to 1 hour hunger time from its current 45?

They made night LONG

[limber hull]

for testing purposes or forever

[barren crater]

Don't know that sadly

However, even the public build night is long

[foggy breach]

What happened to the green name BTW?

[limber hull]

QA purge

[foggy breach]

Lol

[balmy gust]

What else can you do on a black night screen?

[limber hull]

i mean

sleeping isnt doing anything by definition

it is quite possibly the embodiment of inactivity

[balmy gust]

Exactly. But how cool would it be to run around as a nocturnal animal, finding sleeping dinos

[limber hull]

oh yea no doubt

but it just seems like people will just be completely impossible to find during night

would it be a better idea to increase the growthrate while sleeping but not change the hunger/thirst (only during night)

[balmy gust]

Sure why not. I'm just saying would it be so bad to implement and promote sleep when it's dark AF anyways.

[limber hull]

i honestly dont know, spending so long doing absolutely nothing seems poor

at least from a gameplay perspective

[balmy gust]

Make a dream phase, where you can play on an arena-map in the meantime, PvP Vs other dreamers 👍

When you die there you wake up and make a noise

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr the nightvision shouldnt reveal the dinosaurs, you gotta look for movement and listen to sound now

[minor laurel]

haha that actually could be fun

[barren zephyr]

Yea but for night hunters giving them a better range isint gonna help them all to much in the forest

[minor laurel]

would be fun to meet them when the night's over like "oh man, i know this skin!"

[lapis swallow]

Where did I state that, you have to be smort then to get your prey during the night

[urban flax]

When running around at night you are more likely to find animals resting but with their eyes open rather than sleeping ones
Especially if they're alone,wild animals tend to sleep as rarely as possible in order to not get caught

[lapis swallow]

@hollow tartan that is called a server restart

[hollow tartan]

nah i was no restart bro sincde restart does not wipe your character data ive been through 2 of em and my character data was not wiped and i did not get the error screen that server restarts givre

give*

[lapis swallow]

If you give explaination what it looks like they cant fix it, and there is a own channel for bug reports

[hollow tartan]

alr thank you i will do so

[hollow tartan]

yo bro they say i must have video evidence but i dont have since it happened so suddenly man

[icy lion]

You can still report it without evidence, but google forms can be kinda weird. Just make sure you don't click on or interact with the evidence box and you should be good to go

[hollow tartan]

ok

[left storm]

@minor laurel if only the devs had the same mindset.

[minor laurel]

Well, I hope they aren't that stubborn and could at least take a try at that idea to explore it and see if it better or not.
If i could do more like a prototype of it, i'll do it lol

As i said 65-70% of asked people don't like the outline thing, so they may reconsider, at least for all cited reasons in the feedback.
I mean, we had kind of beautiful nights at the beginning of the year. It didn't need lots to be added to a simple and efficient night vision.

[limber hull]

personally, i REALLY like the new NV

it's got an awesome cool/creepy feel to it

the inability to make out shades and colours makes a bush so much more frightening when a predator could be blended within

[minor laurel]

I understand but i kind of disagree to the inability of seeing a bush. It is not what means frightening to me. Not knowing what is attacking me will just frustrate me but seeing things lurking, hiding and then disappear into darkness to wait for the perfect ambush time is way more frightening for me.

[limber hull]

doesn't the current NV also achieve that

an animal can hide and blend into their surroundings so much easier

[minor laurel]

I can barely see difference between the noisy outline, water, groune and mountain actually. Even with the updated builds. So it's a no to me :/
As a graphist, i know that better things can be done to simulate blending into the wild that paint all of the screen black and add kind of a help to it with white outline :/

[limber hull]

idk, seeing a dilo from ages away over the plains but blurry in night kinda makes its niche a little bit redundant

[minor laurel]

Well, with the adjustable lurking area which can be really dark, your dilo can meld into the forest. Plus, it'll add a knowledge of what range you need for each dino to be in their lurk zone and ouf of sight.
It'll be way more tactical and interesting the more you get knowledges about hiding distances

[limber hull]

that really means that NV in plains, and most nocturnal animals, will be kind of redundant, and give even less reason to ever step foot in a forest

[minor laurel]

The blurry depth of field would warn smaller creatures for up tiers dino without helping them getting out of sight to easily neither

Well it will actually be an interest to go into forest to loose track or ambush in fact

[limber hull]

frankly, i personally prefer the aesthetic and mechanical choices made with this iteration. Means that nocturnal predators can actually be nocturnal predators and not invalidated by open spaces like the plains or arid areas

The whole "huge shape in the distance fear" can be done in day just as easily

Night vision should be a different kind

You're limited and you don't know what's near you

[minor laurel]

I understand. I personnaly think it would be really exhausting always having to eye focus on what could be the shape i see right in front of me lol

I mean it will be as redundant to try knowing where you go or where you are than the idea i propose so, it is totally a taste issue in the end i think

[limber hull]

i mean, regardless of what they are, i still like both options more than legacy

[minor laurel]

Even if eyes tired issue and gammas are quite something to me

[limber hull]

because legacy is just a "have fun not seeing 3 feet in front of you and getting lost" sim. At least with the NV in the stress test you can see points of interest

[minor laurel]

Yeah i know. It had some quality tho as using sounds instead of eyes and maybe a more gloomy look. I think it would be a shame not to use the positive of it !

[fallen raven]

Really confused on the new night vision they are working on looks this way

[civic sparrow]

@tiny salmon did you hold G or just tap G?

Tapping G tears a chunk but holding it actually picks the body up

[tiny salmon]

Yes I held G, thats why I put that in the feedback. Let me edit the post to say that I have held g.

[tardy talon]

@cinder fossil me personally I don’t care that much about realism (this night vision system isn’t realistic anyways) and I think the eyes are a huge part of that spooky atmosphere… in terms of keeping the stealth aspect, I think the NV radiuses are small enough to let night hunters remain stealthy. Glowing eyes or not, if a troodon gets within your NV radius you’re gonna notice it

[cinder fossil]

In legacy the eyes were a dead give away, if glowing eyes are added I just don’t want a repeat

[tardy talon]

The eyes only show up if they’re in your radius though

[minor laurel]

It could be cool that they appear depending on how you turn your camera. The more your facing the head from front the more you see the eyes

[tidal rose]

sorry

i realized already yup, leme- ye

So basically

thought the issue was going elsewhere, my bad

[cinder fossil]

That would be cool

[barren zephyr]

You're fine! ^^

[fathom tulip]

@minor laurel One of the best suggestions I have seen in a long time, I'm in FULL agreement

[minor laurel]

Thank you 🙏 I love this game and i can't deal with the choice they made. I hope they'll give that idea a try !

[fathom tulip]

I was under the belief at this point after legacy and now evrima that nightvision was just a bad feature. I thought it would just be tedious no matter what, but the way you showed it off looks amazing, engaging, and genuinely scary

[minor laurel]

Thanks ! Plus ! I think they have to just tweak the base NV shader they already made in the past to adapt that idea to it and see if it shows some results so maybe it'll be cool.
I think the lurking area could be a good tactical thing to exploit, making it bigger or thiner depending on how bad or good NV of the related dino can be. A larger one would be for bad NV, assuming it would be easier to lurk around the target while a thin one would be for nocturnal hunters like troodon, that can't be ambush or lured easily into the night.
It'll be a way of acknowledge distances depending of species to ambush or escape better and learn how to ambush or escape better.
I think a blurry depth of field could be great too for dinos to barely see things like "I think i recognize that form, that's a tenonto, great i am hungry" but you gotta bet on it, then go to it and face your choice (which can be that tenonto or worse lol).

[nimble thistle]

@barren zephyr had the same issue, you just have to hold the E button until your dino finishes the full animation (and returns back to idle)

[barren zephyr]

I'll try this next time! Thank you ❤️

[icy lion]

@surreal sedge

[surreal sedge]

seems like its not gonna be that different than legacy, that feels like a missed opportunity

[uneven mist]

Well other than it wil eat eggs and be an omnivore and not have it’s running kick yeah pretty mutch the same kinda

[cinder fossil]

Ahh I can’t wait to play as Gali,

[uneven mist]

The ostrich

[grave dagger]

what are the 4 new dinos in development?

Troodon, Beipi, Cera and what?

[minor laurel]

galli

[grave dagger]

ah

[agile lark]

@barren zephyr I second this reply! You have to hold e entirely until the animation fully stops for it to register ❤️

That goes for all Dino’s feeding hatchlings

[barren zephyr]

AH thank you! I just tried it and worked! No more starving babies ;u; ❤️

[agile lark]

♥️

[uneven mist]

@cold jacinth Legacy night vision was basically: "have fun not seeing 3 feet in front of you and getting lost" sim. At least with the new NV you can see points of interest

[gloomy reef]

@brittle ermine bro nearly dino is above 500kgs and utahs where ment to hunt large prey.

[brittle ermine]

Juvi utah is not meant to hunt large prey, what crack are you on to think a wolf pup can hurt a rhino.

[gloomy reef]

Oooh i thought u ment fully grown utahs.

Eh i kinda aggre.

[inland apex]

juve utah while pounced should just get a threshold to where it immediately is forced to dismount depending on weight so after like 0.5 seconds of an adult teno bucking off a fresh spawn utah it immediately gets off because its honestly stupid how the friggin JUVES can waste all of your stamina

[faint folio]

Or just set it so that stam spent bucking is proportional to the weight of the dinosaur you are bucking off. A horse is gonna need a lot less effort bucking off a 10 lb housecat clinging to it's back than a 150 lb mountain lion or a 300 lb African lion. Don't see why teno is different

[barren zephyr]

@queen ember I don't really want it to be a constant thing because in legacy ik it would give peoples positions away to other dinosaurs. But I would like to see the "glowing eyes" thing be something that happens when humans scan the trees with a flashlight

[queen ember]

Well I’d say the glowing eyes would only really appear once you get in view distance with night vision

[drifting rose]

@barren zephyr lol those racoons sound like dilos XD i now know where dilos calls insperation came from

[proud coral]

Could be interesting....if you see their eyes, they can see you. Very spoopy.

[cold jacinth]

Obviously it would be better and the current nv looks crappy.

[uneven mist]

Ah yes just being able to look 3 feet away is ofc better, if you weren’t playing as a dilo then have fun not seeing anything

[tardy talon]

@burnt bone the coolest thing about the new system is how it retains color, mixing it with legacy NV completely ruins that. (If you look at this vid you can see what I mean by retaining color https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1009974273252798484/nv_3_1080p.mp4 )

[cold jacinth]

Bro who said it was going to be exactly like legacy.

Updates are needed to it of course

But bro

Like common sense, why wouldn't it be updated and set up to actually be good.

[limber hull]

i still like the current NV personally

[cold jacinth]

evrima or?

[limber hull]

yes

evrima

[winter aurora]

Bro no it doesn't it is so gross

[cold jacinth]

I heavily dislike it

[winter aurora]

fr

[cold jacinth]

It's really ugly ngl-

[limber hull]

it looks sick as imho

[cold jacinth]

I would honestly rather have there be no nv if that's what I am getting-

[winter aurora]

it took them 6 weeks to do it prob even more looks like they took 2 hours on it at most

[cold jacinth]

I don't understand why they don't add in the old nv but tweak it so it actually works

[limber hull]

also idk why in your feedback post you brought up "nice colours" then asked for the old NV

literally greyscale

[tardy talon]

Ace and feneko have you seen the third iteration

It’s much improved imo

[cold jacinth]

Dude, if evrima's nv is "much improved" then I am going to sob

You are going to struggle to find your way around

[limber hull]

Current NV allows you to do multiple things legacy wouldn't allow

• See light sources from further away
• Be able to be used in day and night without being a direct downgrade in either
• Be able to see colours and your body when exposed to light sources

All this is great with the introduction of humans who will have flashlights, and makes hunting them much better

I think you've only seen the early iterations

[tardy talon]

Like I said have you seen the third iteration of evrimas NV

[cold jacinth]

That last point is just common sense bro

[tardy talon]

It’s improved from yesterday

[cold jacinth]

That's like saying "You can see colors when you are out in the sun"

[limber hull]

Third iteration is very cool

[limber hull]

Can't do that with legacy NV

[tardy talon]

The current NV still needs improvement but it’s getting there

Glowing eyes and actually being able to see water surface

[burnt bone]

I personally like the new one we have, but I know some people dislike it/get migraines/potential epilepsy trigger, and last I saw it was not that good in the plains. So it was just an idea to throw out there.

[limber hull]

it actually looks pretty decent in plains now

[tardy talon]

Plains have been much improved in the new ST updates, and I don’t think combining it with legacy would solve any of the other problems you listed

They definitely need to get to work on those health issues though

[burnt bone]

if they change it to make vision better, then im fine with it

[limber hull]

the way they can do ranges is basically very simple. Just lower the range of the outlines

So stego can only see the outlines of things closer to it

[proper sky]

The Isle desperately needs some accessibility features. While it looks cool, NV also looks like migraine city.

[fleet wigeon]

I agree

A while back I suggested a subtitles system that could help deaf/HoH players

[brittle ermine]

They can drain 20% stam each. They are honestly more scary than the adults in a fight because you can't even see them while fighting.

[uneven mist]

Imagine if troodon drained as mutch stam💀

[limber hull]

imagine if venom drains stam :)

[uneven mist]

[coral yoke]

ngl i just dont want my eyes to hurt at night from the strain, especially during dawn/dusk. screen glare is a big issue at those times too

[brittle ermine]

I doubt if they are meant to jump off immediately

[barren zephyr]

Just me or is the graphics way worse than before

[vapid tusk]

They get worse with each update

[barren zephyr]

bruh

I get people lag and stuff but majority of the time they are running specs that can run microsoft paint on 30 fps..

[drifting rose]

@proven river why would theri b an omnivore

[jagged jewel]

@maiden anvil that's what perks are for (hopefully)

also capybaras are considered semiaquatic

[lapis swallow]

I need perks

[jagged jewel]

same

[lapis swallow]

Gime perks

[uneven mist]

Yeah I like herbie theri more and it’s more interesting that a herbie has long ass claws

[proven river]

Idk I thought it would be

[drifting rose]

No theri being Omni doesn’t make sense

[lapis swallow]

@tardy talon you cant force players to play boring species, they need to make every playable interesting rather than this

[tardy talon]

The whole point of my suggestion is that it isn’t forcing anyone

It’s just small benefits for playing underpopulated species

[limber hull]

i just want dryo and hypsi to get their complete niches tbh

[tardy talon]

Agreed but when will that happen

[lapis swallow]

The only underpopulated species are the boring ones

[tardy talon]

Dude did you look at the chart lol

Pachy is like maybe 3-4 people at best

[lapis swallow]

Yes, I used to play on that server

[tardy talon]

And even if this was true, so what? You’re not being punished for playing deino

[lapis swallow]

And I have admit that this server had a BIG utah overpop problem

[tardy talon]

But the people who do pick dryo/hypsi get benefits

[lapis swallow]

That will change nothing, cause nobody wants to play dryo

[tardy talon]

Lmao clearly you’ve never played dryo

Dryo is goated rn

[lapis swallow]

Is this why I see so many of them?

[tardy talon]

People hate on it because it can’t kill anything

Idk why you seem so mad over my suggestion what’s wrong with giving buffs to underpopulated species

[limber hull]

i'd play it more if it had a unique thing

if they gave it really good NV next udpate

def playing it more

[lapis swallow]

Because its the wrong solution

[tardy talon]

Why is it bad

[lapis swallow]

They should make the playables interesting rather then giving them benefits for playing underpopulated species.

[tardy talon]

Why not both

Having one does not exclude the other

This system would basically just be a numbers and UI change

[lapis swallow]

Because one solution is enough

[tardy talon]

Guess we’ll see about that but personally I don’t think climbing is gonna make people want to play hypsi 🌚

[limber hull]

it will make me want to

[tardy talon]

Why

[lapis swallow]

It will make me want to

[lapis swallow]

Cause nest in da trees and I can annoy people with my calls without them having a chance to kill me

[tardy talon]

Herrera:

Anyways I don’t see how both fleshing out hypsi and dryo plus the suggested system would be bad

[limber hull]

because climbing is fun and i want to spit in ptera eyes

[lapis swallow]

Anti-Aircraft guns in the isle

[tardy talon]

You say that but you can already do most of the same stuff you could do with climbing

[limber hull]

Except climb a tree

Which is my endgoal here

[lapis swallow]

Climbing is what makes hypsi unique on the herbies side

[tardy talon]

People just dont like to play dinos that can’t kill anything 🤷

[tardy talon]

The only ranged attack in the game:

[limber hull]

I want to climb a tree, put my hypsi nest in the highest branch and watch my beautiful children take 1 step out the nest and perish instantly

[lapis swallow]

I enjoy playing ptera

[tardy talon]

Ptera is spectator mode

[limber hull]

And he enjoys playing it

[tardy talon]

Ok??

Never said he couldn’t

[lapis swallow]

I have disproven your point of people only wanting to play dinos that can kill stuff

[tardy talon]

Alright wrong phrasing 🤷

[zealous stone]

The biggest baddest carnivores are always going to have bloated populations (I know Utah isn't all that big but it's still pretty powerful).

[tardy talon]

Exactly my point

Even when dryo and hypsi are fleshed out deino and carno will still be overpopulated

That’s the main issue I want to solve here

[lapis swallow]

Nah, because other playables will come

[tardy talon]

Ok so

Then Rex and spino are overpopulated

Same problem lmao

[zealous stone]

Yeah, though to be honest I don't think giving benefits to underpopulated species would fix it either. At least not those kind of benefits. It's a hard issue to fix.

[tardy talon]

The benefits could be changed

[lapis swallow]

Nah, because they are gonna be difficult to grow

[tardy talon]

Ok?

Doesn’t mean they won’t be overpopulated

If deino is the devs idea of difficult to grow then that does not bode well

[zealous stone]

Yeah Deino is way to easy to grow

[limber hull]

Deino has literally no competition so

[tardy talon]

Cannibalism:

[lapis swallow]

Not enough competition

[limber hull]

cannibalism is barely competition all things considered

[lapis swallow]

It needs predators outside of that

[tardy talon]

People will always gravitate towards the big strong apexes unless they can get something from playing the small bois

[zealous stone]

Cannibalism isn't really good for population control, you still need deinos to kill deinos.

It's better than nothing

[tardy talon]

There might be a diverse group of apexes in the future, but apexes as a whole will still be overpopulated

[zealous stone]

But it's far from ideal

[burnt bone]

don't you dare diss my boy hypsi

[tardy talon]

Bro I literally want to help hypsi 😭

Imagine if you got benefits for playing hypsi when it’s underpopulated

[lapis swallow]

I will still main utah even when the big bois are out (I gotta say tho, bary looks fun)

[lapis swallow]

Bad game design

[tardy talon]

Literally no

[limber hull]

all things considered, there's not even an animal planned that really serves well at dealing with deinos, except spino, who i believe has either been overhyped or WAY too overbuffed in order to consistently kill the things. Bary may be good at killing the juvis but not much outside of that

[zealous stone]

Perhaps you could put growing apexes at a disadvantage against similar size fully grown dinosaurs.

[lapis swallow]

Imagine a apex is underpopulated once and you get a free road to like 30% if you manage to find food once

[tardy talon]

Bad game design would be saying “you have to play this or be punished” good game design is encouraging the behavior you want through rewards

[zealous stone]

That way in order to group they need to be able to compete with players who have an advantage.

[tardy talon]

You can still get really lucky in the current game lol

[lapis swallow]

That will happen

[tardy talon]

Also even with the maximum benefit in my suggestion, 20% is only taking 12 minutes off each hour, it really wouldn’t affect balance that much.

[lapis swallow]

It is not needed when the playables are all interesting

[tardy talon]

It will be…

But we’ll see

Plus this could be done faster than new mechanics

I have yet to see a negative affect it would have on the game

[lapis swallow]

I have yet to see a positive effect it will have on the game

[tardy talon]

More people play underpopulated dinos:

Improved ecosystem overall:

[zealous stone]

It might be worth trying in case the new mechanics aren't enough to get the desired numbers of currently and overpopulated dinosaurs.

[lapis swallow]

They wont, because the underpopulated ones are not played for a reason

[zealous stone]

But I'm not sure

[tardy talon]

Why is pachy less played? Isn’t it mechanically complete?

[lapis swallow]

You got one screenshot, of many.

[tardy talon]

Ok here’s another screenshot

Carnivores still make up a majority

[burnt bone]

I dislike that idea because its just a band aid fix for foundational issues in the game. We shouldnt just give lower played species a stat change, we should see WHY they are not being played. Plus, your solution basically does nothing for the current underplayed dinos, all of which have pretty short growth times (or nonexistent with hypsi) to begin with. We should instead see why aren't hypsi and dryo being played?

Dryo lacks basically anything that makes it unique: oh it can dodge, well i can just tap A/D and do basically the exact same things. Oh it has to run from everything, then why shouldn't I just play pachy and get basically the same experience + i can fight things? or just any juvie dino for that matter?

Hypsi has the issue of literally no benefits to escape other than its small. Super jump? may help you get on a rock, but utahs can just follow you. Blind? that ability is way too hard to use while being chased and turns you around, which is essentially a stun. Run away? you have poor speed and quite bad turning, so you have no chance to get away from a utah unless you find a bush, you do have a good chace to run circles around a carno tho.

The best way to fix these dinos... is to actually make them finished creatures

[tardy talon]

Deino is still > 25%

[lapis swallow]

What do we have here? Pachy making up a good chunk of the played dinosaurs

[tardy talon]

Yeah at this time

[lapis swallow]

This

[zealous stone]

To be fair how interesting gameplay is isn't the only factor that impact what roster members players pick. Deino is pretty boring to play, and yet is one of the most popular.

[lapis swallow]

Pachy playercounts were low the other time then

[zealous stone]

Yeah, have to agree, it probably wouldn't do much

[tardy talon]

Sometimes a bandaid fix is necessary. How long has it been since hypsi? A year or so? We still don’t have climbing. How long will we have to wait? How about for the burrowing system?

[lapis swallow]

Not boring to everyone. Main reason it is picked cause biggest carnivore

[burnt bone]

pachy is played less because utah is powerful atm, whgich both counters and fills a similar size niche. Plus, the damage nerfs made people who want to kill thigs move away from it.

also, carnivores will always have higher or equal player counts, they are just more appealing to more players

[tardy talon]

The fundamental issues are still the same. All the time I was in that server I saw majority herbivores maybe once

[zealous stone]

Exactly, people always pick the biggest baddest roster members, even if their gameplay isn't actually interesting most of the time.

[lapis swallow]

And its pretty easy to grow for the strenght you get

[tardy talon]

So encourage people to play… not the biggest carnivore

[zealous stone]

Same with stego.

[zealous stone]

That too

[lapis swallow]

They wont care

[tardy talon]

So maybe we could encourage people to play herbivores?

[burnt bone]

a bandaid fix that doesnt help the root issues is not going to treat the symptoms

[tardy talon]

When you get a cut you put a bandaid on it while it slowly heals

[lapis swallow]

So maybe we buff pachy instead of this shite

[lapis swallow]

Or you just get a OP and everything is good again

[burnt bone]

this isnt a cut, this is more like a bullet hole

[lapis swallow]

If its a big wound

[tardy talon]

When you get shot, you once again bandage it up. Not with a bandaid, but with strong bandages while it once again slowly heals

An operation does not instantly fix a big cut

[barren zephyr]

I don’t see how encouraging people to play less popular dinos is a bad thing, unless you believe they will be recieving big changes anytime soon, imo hypsi climbing and dryo burrowing will not increase popularity in the long term

[burnt bone]

the devs already so, but that isnt going to change anything. even back in update 4 oasis times, where herbivores were op and had everything they needed, people still played carnos

[tardy talon]

When you get a big cut you get stitches which are taken out as it heals

[tardy talon]

Thank you

[lapis swallow]

Your bandaid is a piece of paper

[tardy talon]

That’s what you say

Personally I thin it’d help a good bit

[burnt bone]

your solution is a bandaid, bandages would be more along the lines of: actually being a finished dino

[tardy talon]

Nah that’s when the wound is actually healed

Takes a lot of time and effort

[lapis swallow]

We dont need bandaids when we could have the better solution instantly (atleast for pachy)

[zealous stone]

I say it depends on how long it takes to implement. If they can do it quick, a band aid fix can still make things less severe while a proper fix is worked on. As long as it doesn't just waste their time.

[tardy talon]

Yea, one of the main benefits I see from my solution is it’s basically just changing numbers and some ui

[burnt bone]

its the fact that the "encouragement" suggested isnt going to change much (literally just a free grow, when hypsi doesnt grow to begin with and dryo has the shortest grow), and instead it punishes people for playing dinos other than ones they dislike

[lapis swallow]

Its a damage buff, they have to rewrite two numbers

[tardy talon]

Bro the whole point is it doesn’t punish anyone 😭

Even overpopulated dinos would have the same growth and hunger as before

[zealous stone]

That'll fix pachy, though it doesn't cover dryo and hyspi.

[lapis swallow]

What does it help then?

[tardy talon]

Encouraging people who might otherwise pick more popular dinosaurs to play them?

[barren zephyr]

someone picking carno isn’t going to feel “wow I’m getting punished, them dryos have really got a head start on me”

[burnt bone]

"Regular- this dinosaur is at its ideal population levels, playing it will give you 50% starting hunger/nutrients and a 10% increased growth time.

Overpopulated- this dinosaur is above its ideal population levels, playing it will give you the current starting hunger (20%) and no increased growth time."

regular is your new base line, which means overpopulated dinos are punished

[burnt bone]

further proving my point, what is it going to change then?

[zealous stone]

Yeah, grow buff are pointless for the dinos that need the most help

[tardy talon]

I don’t get how it’s punished when it’s the same values as before?

If it’s about taxonomy then change it to endangered/threatened/regular

[lapis swallow]

It wouldnt give anything on that. I never starved as a utah, that stuff is not gonna effect me

[tardy talon]

Plenty of people have

[tardy talon]

“Oh, dryo is underpopulated so it’ll be even quicker to grow then usual, I’ll just hop on it for a little bit”

[barren zephyr]

I think it would lead to slightly increased player counts for the barely picked dinos, which would be pretty bad if it weren’t for the fact this wouldn’t be a big undertaking for the devs I don’t think

[lapis swallow]

No, because the adult stage is boring

[tardy talon]

Nesting:
Trolling other dinos:
Scouting for herds:

[barren zephyr]

that is literally never changing tho

[tardy talon]

And it’s no commitment with a 20% growth buff either

[lapis swallow]

Wait? Other dinosaurs can do that too and better

[tardy talon]

You could literally just hop on it and drown when you’re bored

[lapis swallow]

Or I could just not play it cause its not worth it atm

[tardy talon]

Not in the same way as dryo though

It’s a different experience

If you think dryo is soooo boring atm then you haven’t played it

[lapis swallow]

A better one?

[tardy talon]

And if it’s sooo boring that no one can have fun playing it then why isn’t burrowing #1 priority

[lapis swallow]

I logged in as one, realised how boring my juvie stage is gonna be and drowned myself

[tardy talon]

Yeah and if there was a growth buff you wouldn’t have the boring juvie stage lmao

[zealous stone]

I'm not sure burrowing would even save dryo

[lapis swallow]

Cause other stuff is more important

[zealous stone]

I'm not sure exactly what they have planned for burrowing though

[tardy talon]

You literally just pointed out why my idea would work

[lapis swallow]

No, because I dont want to play dryo. It sounds boring to me

[tardy talon]

Have you played adult dryo recently?

[lapis swallow]

No

[tardy talon]

There’s your problem

You won’t even try it

[lapis swallow]

Because I dislike playing herbivores and I wont grow a dinosaur that I am not enjoying to play

[tardy talon]

I think just seeing the little “endangered” text would make people think about trying dryo more

[tardy talon]

Not like growing a carno is much more fun

[lapis swallow]

They would play dryo, if it was fun to play for many people

[tardy talon]

When will that happen?

A year? Two?

[lapis swallow]

I dislike carno, so I wont play it

[tardy talon]

Oh hell naw not the utah main over here 💀

Or deino main?

[lapis swallow]

Utah main

Got a problem?

[tardy talon]

Yeah kind of

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-jake-peralta-tell-me-why-tell-me-why-gif-20063752

[tardy talon]

Idk how people can have fun playing the same dinosaur repeatedly

[zealous stone]

Yeah I'm the deino main, even though I said it was boring earlier

[tardy talon]

But not a big deal

[lapis swallow]

Because the dinosaur is fun, unlike dryo

[tardy talon]

Play dryo more

[lapis swallow]

I wont, I wont have fun with it. I dislike dryos playstyle and its bareboness

[tardy talon]

Do you not feel thrill from being chased? Are you not satisfied by dodging a dangerous attack? Do you not enjoy running around with your flock of children?

[lapis swallow]

I am

[zealous stone]

Utah can do all that to be fair

[tardy talon]

Do you not enjoy beating the crap out of juvie carnis?

[lapis swallow]

Can do that as a utah

[lapis swallow]

True

[tardy talon]

More fun to kill someone as a dryo

[lapis swallow]

So I should give up the ability to fight for 15 seconds more stam and a shitty dodge?

[tardy talon]

Sometimes yeah

[zealous stone]

It would be funny if they turned dryo into a herbivorous honey badger like animal that could fight off Utahs

[tardy talon]

It’s good to vary your dinosaurs

[tardy talon]

Nahhh that’s gonna be proto 😈

[lapis swallow]

But I dont want to

[tardy talon]

Anyways to conclude here because this has gone on too long

Some people won’t want to play these dinosaurs ever and that’s ok. But with the suggested system, people who otherwise might not play them might also give them a try.

[zealous stone]

I'm going to be honest, dryo's issue is probably that it can't fight effectively. While the Isle is supposed to be a survival horror game, and combat isn't really necessary for that, a lot of players seem to disagree.

[uneven mist]

Ain’t nothing but a heartache

[lapis swallow]

Man of culture

[uneven mist]

[haughty citrus]

spinosaur with feathers

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[steep iron]

oooh, didn't know! thanks for telling me

nice, seems more appealing than spiro

like a savannah

[lapis swallow]

@spring holly he literally said it

[tardy talon]

They were saying to make “regular” Dinos start with the current values and to punish “overpopulated” dinos

Which I disagree with since it’s better to reward players to do what you want rather than punish them for doing what you don’t want

[lapis swallow]

Ok, bruh. Thats even worse then you idea

[tardy talon]

Bro I still don’t get what you find so bad about my idea 💀

Like I get you think it’s unnecessary but what negative affect would it have

[zealous stone]

Yes, because in a time where NPCs are rare and offer almost no food, what we need is carnivores to spawn already starving

[lapis swallow]

What positive effect would it have?

[tardy talon]

People would play a greater variety of dinos hopefully

Obviously it’s not guaranteed to work as intended but that’s what stress testing is for

[lapis swallow]

Nobody is the gonna play the playables he doesnt like. As I stated earlier, there is a reason they arent played

They need changes, not something like this

[tardy talon]

Mate, did you read my suggestion? The whole point is no one gets punished.

[tardy talon]

How long will those changes take? All we know is “someday” dryo will get burrowing. “Someday” hypsi will get climbing.

[lapis swallow]

You kinda do cause the others have better chances to find food because you chose to play the overpopulated dino

[tardy talon]

I assumed you were since that was the current convo

[lapis swallow]

Herra is one of the next playables and the devs said that hypsi and utah could be getting their climbs with herra

[tardy talon]

So which is it? Is it not significant enough to make a difference or will it destroy the balance?

[tardy talon]

The next four playables are troodon, beipi, cera, galli. If they keep the current rate, it’s gonna take a while just to get through those four.

[lapis swallow]

I want you to be the man to tell the new player that he has less chances to find food cause the dinosaur that he maybe bought the game for is overpopulated atm

I wanna see how they will react

[tardy talon]

Maybe he should gather that playing an “overpopulated” dinosaur isn’t as good as playing a “regular” dinosaur. Lol

[lapis swallow]

"Oh you wanted to be a carno, heres a dryo instead"

[tardy talon]

Aight bro, my bad for thinking you were participating in the ongoing conversation

[tardy talon]

They can still play carno lmao

[lapis swallow]

They would probably starve with it cause they are new and they have less chances then the other dinosaurs

[tardy talon]

They would still starve before my system then 💀

What carni is underpopulated

[lapis swallow]

At least they would have the same chances

And not: "Just play a different dinosaur that nobody wants to play cause its barebone"

The dinosaurs need to be changed to the entire ecosystem

[tardy talon]

So how is this system simultaneously so insignificant that no one will change their dinosaur because of it but also so significant that it will force everyone to play dryo

[lapis swallow]

New players, yes

[tardy talon]

Dryo is no less barebones than utah for example

It has a bite, an alt-bite, and a special

[pulsar lantern]

The games problem is adding 12 small Dino’s that are just Utah fodder and expecting people to play them. There’s a reason Utah is played despite being small and it’s because it has mechanics to interact with bigger Dino’s in ways beyond “run away or get oneshot” There’s nothing wrong with that playstyle but it’s boring when it’s the only thing a Dino offers since bigger Dino’s offer the same thing via Juvi stages

[lapis swallow]

Is the special useful lol?

[urban flax]

The problem I see with giving "endangered species" growth buffs, or any buffs at all, is a perfect example of what I'd call a "bandaid fix". You're not solving the issue of a playable being less attractive than the others, you're just hiding it.

[tardy talon]

Yes, and you’ve admitted to not playing dryo so how would you know lmao

[lapis swallow]

This

[tardy talon]

Sometimes a bandaid fix is necessary while the wound heals

How long will it take for these playables to be fleshed out

[pulsar lantern]

You might see more people play “endangered” Dino’s but the issue is that most unplayed Dino’s already have fast growth times to the point where people won’t really care if they get a slightly faster grow

[lapis swallow]

A better turn for 5 or 10 % of your stam lol against a attack that can oneshot everything smaller than the utah or does massive bleed to everything bigger

[lapis swallow]

And that

They are not not played cause of their growth stages

[urban flax]

Not in videogame development
In videogame development you want to fix the issue proper so you're done with it as soon as possible
Adding something that you're gonna remove later is nothing but wasted development time, especially in a game which is as early in development as this one

[lapis swallow]

Because the playable is bad

[tardy talon]

This is literally just changing numbers and a little bit of UI, it would take maybe a week or to to code max.

[lapis swallow]

They are bad currently tbh

[pulsar lantern]

Basically the best simplification. A lot of the small Dino’s are just unnecessary roster bloat and could be scrapped from the game with zero consequence

[tardy talon]

(Doesn’t play dryo)

[lapis swallow]

Unfinished, they lack the tools to survive

[urban flax]

It requires adding an "endagered species" system that calculates the number of playables compared to the amount required, it would require adding additional modifiers to growth to apply to dinos
And it would require a lot of balancing

[lapis swallow]

I play hypsi sometimes

[urban flax]

That would take more time than I would want devs to waste on this

[lapis swallow]

Fixing the playables would be smarter than this shite

[tardy talon]

If “dryos on server” < 8
Set “population level” to “endangered”

[tardy talon]

How long tho

[lapis swallow]

I know, but this aint fixing it too

[tardy talon]

They’re not broken

They have more planned mechanics

But they still play well

Just because you personally don’t like dryos current playstyle doesn’t make it bad

[lapis swallow]

They have a problem that can be fixed with giving them the mechanics they nees

[tardy talon]

When

[lapis swallow]

I know, I didnt say they should do that

[tardy talon]

And you will still always have the problem of the big carnivores being overpopulated. This isn’t just about hypsi and dryo

[lapis swallow]

I do not know for dryo, but I gave you a answer for hypsi

[pulsar lantern]

Extremely small Dino’s just have limited appeal and you can’t fix that. Beasts of Bermuda has a dryo type of Dino which literally digs anthill burrows yet you still see most people prefer Rex or apato. You’re not gonna fix dryo by “finishing” it with gimmick abilities

[lapis swallow]

The system that he proposed

[tardy talon]

So years from now?

[urban flax]

It also screws balance over more than you'd think
Imagine that, after a balance patch, stego becomes underperforming
It then becomes endagered and gets growth boosts. Then people play stego more to take advantage of the boosts, but they still play a bad animal. And the devs wouldn't realize it's bad since lots of people play it thanks to the growth boost. All the system would have done would have been to make a nerfed stego the new base stego, regardless of its intended place into the game's meta.

[tardy talon]

Exactly, people will still gravitate towards the big boys unless something encourages them to play smalls

[lapis swallow]

The devs said that they can fire out more playables after u7 cause all the core mechanics regarding the playables are in the game then

Yeah

You can say shite tho

[tardy talon]

I guess we’ll see once u7 comes out in, uhh, a year or so

[lapis swallow]

I assume u7 drops in spring 2023

[tardy talon]

Sure

It’s almost September and we don’t have u5.5 yet

[lapis swallow]

Its in ST

[tardy talon]

Then they have gore, diet changes, migration, and more

Humans too

Then 6.5 with troodon

[lapis swallow]

They said troo will come this year. Troo with u6.5

[tardy talon]

They said humans would be in last year too

Things change in development

[urban flax]

And they were added

[lapis swallow]

Troo is almost done

[tardy talon]

As a test to fulfill the promise

[lapis swallow]

They can fire out u6.5 two weeks after u6

[tardy talon]

Things change in development, and I’m not blaming the devs for that, but I don’t think troo this year is reasonable

[urban flax]

Nobody expected to have fully-fledged and finished humans by end of the year
Devs even said multiple times before the mechanic test they wouldn't have weapons or special mechanics

[tardy talon]

Even after troo comes out they still have to do all of u7

[lapis swallow]

Troo was 40/52 in the roadmap its gonna come ou this year

[tardy talon]

Oh, it’s already done lol

Animation wise at least

[lapis swallow]

Spring 2023 could mean may too

[lapis swallow]

Check the roadmap

[tardy talon]

July is more realistic

[tardy talon]

Roadmap? Accurate? Lmao

[jagged jewel]

@true pawn the blurry pattern is a bug

[lapis swallow]

In this case, yes

[jagged jewel]

i’d say that it is pretty accurate

Idk about you but i feel that the roadmap saying we are in U5 is accurate

[tardy talon]

Nah we’re actually in U10

The man is trying to stop you from finding out

[tardy talon]

…do you think people won’t complain about it being underpowered?

[zealous stone]

The Isle's dinosaurs don't look scary, sure, but there's more to making something scary than just looks.

What's scary is also subjective, so there isn't a definite right or wrong when discussing this.

Though personally I think they did a good job with the sound design, well, for the most part (cough cough Utahraptor with tortoise mating sounds ripped straight from Jurassic Park)

I should also note the Isle relies on player experience to make it's roster members scary.

You learn to fear things from past failures which show you just how outmatched you are.

[uneven mist]

Couldn’t have said it better myself

[queen ember]

@tardy talon Dino’s are overpopulated because we have such a small roster

The solution is literally to just add more playables and the problem will naturally fix itself

[tardy talon]

What? No, the issue is that apex (and our current pseudo-apex) dinosaurs take up way too much of the player base. It doesn’t matter if the deino population gets split between deino and spino later on, there’s still gonna be too many aquatic apexes.

If your theory was true, wouldn’t we see more hypsis and dryos?

[faint folio]

I think it's a little more complicated than that (never really played legacy but from what I heard a lot of people mained apex carnivores which would overrepresent the rex, giga, Alberto, etc compared to the general population because they were powerful). One neat fix is to give every playable an AI variant and spawn in AI dinosaurs based on how many players are playing each species. Nobody playing dryo? Spawn 15 AI dryo around the map. 20 rexes? No AI needed

[tardy talon]

Eh, personally I think this game is so interesting because of the player-driven ecosystem.

[queen ember]

If apex’s are hard but rewarding to grow that’ll be good to balance them

[tardy talon]

But it does seem to be going in the more ai direction.

[queen ember]

A reason stego and deino are so easy to grow now is they barely have any threats through growth

[tardy talon]

Deino is not a good indicator if apexes are supposed to be “hard to grow”.

[queen ember]

Deino also has literally no other competition besides itself who will just have them group up most of the time

[tardy talon]

The biggest issue with making apexes hard to grow is how to stop adults from carebearing them to adult

[queen ember]

Add sucho, Bary, Spino and deino becomes harder to grow

[tardy talon]

If you can get an adult deino to protect you, eh, not so much

[faint folio]

@young hornet You're right that it doesn't really play like horror right now. To be honest I think most of the horror gameplay is going to be for human playables (of the assorted factions). Kinda like how Jurassic park is scary because the dinosaurs are hunting the defenseless humans trying to escape the theme park. The dino on dino thing is just normal food change/nature documentary stuff

[queen ember]

That’s the bonus to having a adult. Then again you also risk the adult getting hungry and eating you

[tardy talon]

Then there should be some proper incentives for cannibalism. Make it a nutrient on its own.

[queen ember]

I think cannibalism on deino is fine rn as it is

[zealous stone]

I think the Isle has enough cannibalism

[tardy talon]

Carnos and utahs are common enough to not need to eat other deinos.

[queen ember]

But since gore will change diets you’ll be able to get your nutrients from a single deino. So cannibalism will be slightly more active

[tardy talon]

Sorry, wrong opinion

[tardy talon]

Or from a single non-deino, worryingly enough

[zealous stone]

Cannibalism just isn't as interesting to me than fights between different species, since it removes the asymetry and makes the outcome more predictable.

[tardy talon]

It’s an important balancing mechanic for larger dinosaurs

[queen ember]

The only thing with cannibalism I have a issue with is Carno since they get rewarded for hunting each other, it should be a option to survive not a requirement

[faint folio]

I'll be honest, I don't see why raising babies is considered bad in this game... Crocodiles and alligators literally raise their hatchlings. So do most large animals. So I don't see "carebearing" as a bad thing. Not saying we need to remove the cannibalism, but I'm also not saying we should force apexes to hunt juvis of their own species

I do see the arguments for mixpacking and megapacking, though. Those need to be discouraged

[zealous stone]

Cannibalism is probably the least effective way of controlling a species population, because you need more members of the species for it to take place.

It's better to rely on other species, and have cannibalism be more of a secondary danger.

[queen ember]

Cannibalism should only really be a thing if you need food, not if you need nutrients

[tardy talon]

I don’t care about their own hatchlings, since apex eggs should hopefully be very rare. It’s moreso adopting I don’t like, which is a very unnatural behavior.

[faint folio]

Exactly this.

[queen ember]

Use it as a last resort but you don’t get punished or buffed for doing so

[tardy talon]

Larger dinosaurs should not only cannibalize as a last resort. It’s important they do it more for balance.

[zealous stone]

Yeah I do think the level of cannibalism in the game currently is a bit immersion breaking.

[faint folio]

Adopting happens because people spawn in. Unlike in real life where all animals that raise their offspring always at least start with a parent (parent can be killed etc)

[zealous stone]

And again you can rely on other species for balancing

[queen ember]

Large apex’s like Giga and Rex will prob have to cannibalize because hunting others will give them plenty of food to sustain themselves and it in turn helps with balance

[tardy talon]

There aren’t an unlimited amount of Rex spawns in real life though.

Realistically, nesting in should be the only way to spawn

But obv that’s not fun

[queen ember]

Nesting gives you the buff of adults protecting you

[faint folio]

You can balance with other dinosaurs. Want less apexes? Put them on most low to mid tier diets and watch as they take out hordes of babies

[tardy talon]

Problem is when the horde of babies is guarded by an adult because they’ve all been adopted

[zealous stone]

Yeah, I was thinking Carno would be good at ambushing juvi apexes and then retreating before the parents could hit them.

[tardy talon]

Adults still protect you when you don’t get nested. Ya just gotta find them

[queen ember]

Yeah, that’s how species work

[faint folio]

It's good that it's a game about extinct animals, then. Realism is not the final say on how things work.

[tardy talon]

Yeah, that’s why I’m talking about balance, not realism.

For good balance, you want apexes to eat juveniles that aren’t theirs.

Just like irl

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-kaperoo-cannibalism-gif-23548778

[queen ember]

As more species come into the game and the total of each species gets spread out between them all seeing many adults protecting lots of babies will be rare

[faint folio]

Enough babies and 1) they are not going to find enough food for all of them, and 2) 1 adult cannot guard 4+ babies alone without taking losses, especially from pack animals that distract and dart in to attack the stragglers

[uneven mist]

Think you want to remove that because funny rules and funny mods

[tardy talon]

Yeah, that’s another problem entirely. How are they gonna fit a 60+ roster on a 100 player server?

[zealous stone]

Yeah that's gonna be an issue

[queen ember]

Not everyone will play every creature. Some will be played more than others and in return will also Unironically stop most megapacks

By having a wide range of creatures

[zealous stone]

Roster bloat is basically inevitable

[faint folio]

And I'm saying that's one way to balance, but that is not the only way to get good balance. Most dinos don't become truly capable of defending themselves from anything (even solo Utah's in some cases) until 60% or so right now. Just make it so you can't afk grow in a bush and other dinos will clear the server of babies

[queen ember]

As long as species diets go away in favor of hunting whatever for organ based diets. We should be good

[tardy talon]

Yes, apexes will be played more because they’re the most powerful. People naturally gravitate towards that. And henceforth you get the adult Rex guarding the horde of adopted Rex babies.

[queen ember]

That’s just a growth weight issue rn. That needs to be changed

[queen ember]

You also won’t have 20 adult rexs on a server because they’ll be hard to grow and will most likely be killed off young. So seeing a adult who found a bunch of babies will be rare. And the chance of it leaving them alive to help them is even rarer

[faint folio]

One adult rex cannot guard a whole horde of rex babies. Any ambush predator or pack predator will probably make kills

[tardy talon]

How do you plan to stop afk growing? People are already complaining about hunger drain as it is.

[queen ember]

Body rot

The main issue is Juvies sitting on bodys for long periods of time, and as far as we know you eat the stuff for your diets then the rest of the body is simply food

[tardy talon]

Bodies don’t go uneaten for long. Carnivore afk growing mostly goes find a body to scavenge > eat > hide in bush for 20 minutes > repeat

It’s possible body rot could help, but personally I find it unlikely. Especially on official servers, where people are always fighting.

[queen ember]

And if bodys rot you likely will have to go after another body if you wait to eat it 20 minutes later

[tardy talon]

That’s already what people do. Do you think you can just leave a corpse unattended for 20 minutes and expect no one to eat it?

[queen ember]

And if compy properly eat corpses you’ll need to defend it from them

[faint folio]

There's simply no species that gets a significant chunk of their diet from cannibalizing other members of their species. There's plenty of carnivores that will cannibalize on occasion but none that make it a dietary staple. They should not force cannibalism as the only way to get one of the 3 nutrients in a carnivore diet

[burnt bone]

also, don't forget pteros are being added to pester people around bodies. So the screeching of pteros could attract a bigger predator who wants food

[tardy talon]

There’s also no infinite apex predator spawns in real life.

[tardy talon]

The scent already attracts bigger predators. Juvie carnis are not keeping a body for 20+ minutes.

[faint folio]

And there's also no infinite dinosaurs that kill for sport in real life, either. And most herbivores won't go out of their way to hunt other species in real life

[queen ember]

Yes. In real life

[tardy talon]

Exactly. You can’t replicate real life and make it fun, so just make a semi-realistic balanced game.

[burnt bone]

the pteros screeching would show that theres likely a free kill there rather than a half eaten corpse.

they could also make pteros pester people who are just afking a bush, so that doesnt work either

[queen ember]

Perhaps they will attack players who stay in one area for more than like 10 minutes

[tardy talon]

That second part is a real bad band-aid. The reason people afk is because there’s nothing to do.

[queen ember]

Then make stuff to do

[tardy talon]

You’re just making them walk around bored

Ok like what?

[queen ember]

If getting diets becomes more of a challenge then getting them for perks and elders will become much more worthwhile

[burnt bone]

probably not attack, since that just makes chilling in 1 spot bad. Like chillin on a rock or on a nest. i mean sitting down for too long makes pteros appear and start making noise until you shoo them off (which makes a louder noise).

[faint folio]

Being killed over and over 2 hours into a 6 hour grow is not fun. Being friendly called by an adult of your species only to be attacked and killed 2 minutes later is not fun.

Besides, you are worried about balance? It's not the juvis that are unbalanced. If you want to fix balance you need to look at controlling the adult population and get adults to attack/kill other adults

[queen ember]

Since organ parts are so small compared to an actual body. They prob won’t give as many diets as they do now. So if you wanna get all 3 constantly you’ll have to go around all the time to keep up on them

[tardy talon]

Having a strong cannibalism incentive ensures that only the skilled survive to adulthood, which is what you want. You should always be wary of larger dinosaurs then you, your species or not, friendly call or not. If you don’t want to risk losing two hours, play a dinosaur with less commitment.

[queen ember]

And body’s aren’t guaranteed to have the organs you need if it was already killed since someone may or already eaten ig

[burnt bone]

making them walk around and vulnerable. you dont want people to play for 5 mins to eat+drink, then sit in a bush for 30 mins on repeat. This forces babies to move (at least a bit more), but still won't affect you much in the middle of nowhere, and killing babies a more viable option

[tardy talon]

They have nothing to actually do while walking around though.

[queen ember]

An idea is for fresh spawns and Juvies to have a more fast hunger rate so they have to constantly eat more food on a regular basis until they go into sub and adulthood where there metabolism balances out

[tardy talon]

Yeah, not a bad idea

[burnt bone]

encounter other players.
Plus, the same thing can be said about adult dinos. You can just sit down and afk, or you can find other players

[tardy talon]

Way riskier for juvies though.

[burnt bone]

we already somewhat have that with hatchlings, so its doable

[faint folio]

And the skilled surviving to adulthood is why you have a bunch of players good enough to solo defend a horde of baby rexes from predators... Which is exactly what you're saying is BAD for balance.

They should probably invest in a territory or overpopulation mechanic designed to create conflict between adult apexes and limit apex packs. Bonus if killing adult apexes gives nutrients (maybe all 3?) to make them a much more valuable prize

[burnt bone]

yes

[tardy talon]

Juvies can neither run nor fight like their adult counterparts

[queen ember]

Maybe not as fast as hatchlings go but less than now

[tardy talon]

So any encounter is usually death

[tardy talon]

They won’t be defending the babies if they have incentive to eat them though lol

[burnt bone]

which is exactly what we need to be able to balance. we can't balance fights that never happen, and growth shouldn't be an extended respawn timer.

plus, most babies currently have a LOT of stam, some are even faster than their adults, and they are small enough to hide easily (which also makes camo skins better)

[faint folio]

And I'm saying that is a terrible mechanic because then you incentivize afk growing and don't actually fix the overpopulation problem. Juvis will just hide on the edge of the map. We see it with stegos already

[burnt bone]

oh definitely not hatchling speed lol

[queen ember]

If a stego knows the best place to go and still have its food that’s good for it. If it’s simply hiding on the edges without much diets, well it’ll be a long process for it

[tardy talon]

I agree on growth not being an extended respawn timer, but forcing juvies to expose themselves to things they can’t escape or kill? Nah

[faint folio]

Thank you. Growth should not be an extended respawn timer.

I'm okay with being killed, but growing an apex is a little ridiculous with how often you just die if you happen to stumble into absolutely anything

[queen ember]

Which is why apex’s will be harder and challenging to grow, you have to survive for a long time and will most likely run into something that can kill you

[burnt bone]

then make them able to escape adults, but still have to deal with other juvies and smaller dinos.

[tardy talon]

So incentivize less people to pick apexes in the first place, like with the system I posted in #general-feedback

[burnt bone]

I'm not saying "lets make all babies get chucked into the meat grinder"
I'm saying "lets make juvie stage have actual gameplay rather than an extended respawn timer"

[tardy talon]

Fair. I think most juvies should have really good turn radius to reward skillful dodging.

[faint folio]

Yes... That doesn't mean we have to force cannibalism though. Bare minimum the same species should be safer to hang with than other species... Even if it's not completely safe because obviously carnivores need to eat if they're starving

[faint folio]

I like your idea you posted witt the bonuses to encourage playing lower pop species.

[tardy talon]

[burnt bone]

the issue is that there is not a really good way to incentivize people enough to play something they dislike, without making it so obtrusive that its annoying. If I like playing pachy, but the server is mostly playing pachy, I'd hate to be punished for playing it as well. If I'm not being punished for playing pachy, then i won't care about playing the other stuff.

[faint folio]

I agree. That's actually one thing I really like about deino, because it's hatchling gameplay IS a radically different strategy. Small deinos spend a lot more time (and are decently effective) on land. They have enough speed and stamina to be decent there as long as they don't try to face tank land adults

[tardy talon]

Yes, that’s why the system I suggested doesn’t punish anyone. It simply encourages players to remember the small dinosaurs and consider playing them more, especially since it requires even less commitment.

[queen ember]

True, although cannibalism on Apex’s encourages them to not all group up together and allow them to sustain themselfs

[burnt bone]

the solution you posted is to just make growth a free ride, which is the benefit of most the unplayed creatures anyway. plus, why would I spend time playing dryo, when I could instead use that time to grow something that I enjoy, especially when I am going to grow it anyway.

Plus you put a new base line and punish overpopulated species. If you species "has the correct amount" then you get the bonuses, but if it goes over, then you get stuck with current stats. Which means current stats are the debuff, and theres a new baseline

[faint folio]

Eh, like I said there are other ways to get them to spread out.

I don't even really mind the cannibalism all that much. I just really dislike the idea of FORCING cannibalism for perfect diet

[queen ember]

Hence why you get your nutrients from whatever creature you decide to hunt

And not species based

[tardy talon]

Why would that make them a debuff? If it’s an issue of terminology, then it could be changed to “endangered/threatened/regular” to maintain the current stats as the Baseline

[queen ember]

It just feels like a bigger issue for much easier fixes

[tardy talon]

Personally I think just seeing the (endangered) next to dryo would remind people that it exists more

[burnt bone]

cannibalism has been shown not to do much when the dino is overpopulated and megapacking. U4.5 carno was essentially "op apex" and was a cannibal, but all it did was make them eat their fallen in the swarms

[faint folio]

Yeah that would be a decent compromise for carnivores-- if every animal gave some ratio of the nutrients and some are more nutrient dense or valuable than others for each species

[queen ember]

Hence why cannibalism is bad when you have a small roster where you are guaranteed to run into your own species a lot

[tardy talon]

That was because nothing could threaten them except stegos, which they didn’t need to hunt anyway

[queen ember]

When you have a larger roster it’s fine

[faint folio]

I think it's more an issue that dryo really isn't a viable playable (it's not balanced/statted for a player character). It's food for everything and it really can't fight anything. Most people who play it do it on occasion to harass/troll other players with no intention of actually trying to survive and play it long term

[tardy talon]

True. Nesting definitely helps with that for me personally, though. I like growing my family

Sometimes it’s also fun to be chased

[faint folio]

If they wanted more players to play dryo, they need to make it viable/interesting/fun for players. An easy way would be some special abilities like increased night vision or something

[queen ember]

Once Dryo gets burrowing it’ll attract more people as long as burrowing is a fun mechanic to have

[tardy talon]

It’s gonna get burrowing… eventually. Burrowing should definitely be a higher priority imo

Burrowing should be pretty fun once it does come tho. I remember a stream where they showed a prototype for modular burrowing like in BoB.

[faint folio]

The rest of the roster is played because (to greater or lesser extents) they are combat viable depending on your group and what you're fighting

[tardy talon]

Don’t forget carnivore bias

[faint folio]

Yeah exactly. Burrowing should help dryo a lot

[queen ember]

Carnivore bias:

Also Carnivores in 3:75 and 4:

Carnivore bias but in previous updates they were the laughing stock

[tardy talon]

Players still prefer playing carnivores even when there’s good balance

Not taking about the devs having carnivore bias here, just players

[faint folio]

True. Everyone likes the fierce hunters. Nobody wants to play "passive" herbivores (even though herbivores definitely aren't always passive and can kick booty)

[tardy talon]

^^^

[burnt bone]

ok then, but it still doesnt fix the issue for the reasons i stated above.
The only way to incentivize people to play something else is to make it either better than what they normally play or make what they normally play worse. i normally enjoy dinos with bone break or ones that are tanky, so I'm not going to play velo because it doesnt fit my playstyle at all. And thats the issue, most people have the "big scary carnivore" as their preferred playstyle, and theres not a good way to make them swap off unless you make the underplayed dino more fun than the big carnivore, but giving them a free growth doesnt help that. Which is why the smaller dinos are getting more interesting mechanics, like burrowing, climbing, and whatever else they get.

[faint folio]

On the subject of burrowing

[tardy talon]

Increased Growth isn’t a set-in-stone part of my suggested system, I just think underpopulated species should get some kind of benefits. Once perks are in, you could give them a free starting perk or something.

[queen ember]

A reason hypsi is so boring is cause there is no reward to playing it

[burnt bone]

and none of its abilities help it escape, its speed and turning are garbo, yet it is forced to flee from everything

[tardy talon]

And the spit is so easy to clean off lol

[queen ember]

That’s also a issue, what determines unpopulated species, at the moment or over a set span of time, cause a 50 player server only one person could be playing spino so should they just get the buff?

[faint folio]

It would be cool if dryos kind of did the meerkat/groundhog thing. Able to make multiple burrows, or one burrow with multiple entrances in a certain radius of the first entrance. Then you could even implement a burrow mechanic for certain carnivores to dig into burrows (taking enough time that burrowing animals could escape via another entrance etc)

[queen ember]

Just seems like an unnecessary mechanic and would only cause balance issues

[tardy talon]

Tbh that was something I’ve been thinking about since I made the initial suggestion, I might edit it to make the “ideal population” scale based on server population.

[tardy talon]

All that is planned iirc.

[faint folio]

It should probably be percentage based on current online population

[queen ember]

Idk. I just don’t think it would help and would only cause balance problems

[tardy talon]

Well I designed it to be easy to implement so the numbers could be heavily changed or it could be removed entirely if it caused balance problems

[queen ember]

If you remove a big mechanic because it causes balance issues that’s investment down the drain

A easier way to settle it is literally make the playables more interesting

[tardy talon]

Which is why I made it to be a very small investment

[tardy talon]

When will climbing and burrowing be added though? A year? 2?

[burnt bone]

plus, even if these dinos were finished, most people just dislike their playstyle, so you would literally have to punish them on their main dino to swap off

[queen ember]

That’s a separate issue with devs not wanting to prioritize things

[tardy talon]

My system could probably be done coding wise in a couple weeks

A couple days if fully focused on

[queen ember]

That’s still time being wasted on something that would probably not work

Regardless of how fast it is made

[tardy talon]

I just think there’s a lot of people who don’t really consider the small Dinos when respawning. And once again, less commitment.

[tardy talon]

You think it probably won’t work, I think it probably would. No real way to know without testing it out.

[queen ember]

Which again as I’ve said just fixed itself by making playables more fun and interesting to play

The devs not prioritizing is a completely different matter

[tardy talon]

My system could remain on in the background as essentially a safeguard against future population issues tho

[queen ember]

If population issues occur, that just means there is something ingame making people not want to play them so that’s what needs to be fixed, not a completely new system

Oh and I just thought

Is giving creatures certain buffs due to population size gonna get people to play them? In reality you are still getting the same base creature with the same problems as to why you wouldn’t play it but more buffed

[dusk meteor]

More playables isn't doesn't mean people want to play them more outside of the first week of release.
Yes, giving people a buff will make then more likely to pick it because they have more incentive than it existing.
However I don't think a hunger/growth boost is an appropriate boost. This does not inherently address the problem with playables like dryo, that just suck. People might be more inclined if they didn't have to grow it, or perhaps it if spawned with full nutrients to nest etc
but I wouldn't be more inclined to click dryo when I still had to waste time growing it and have a horribly boring dino at the end

So I think a passive,positive bonus isa good thing. I think it needs more thought around the topic of what those bonuses could be though.

Growth time wouldbe decent for other things, just not the smalls

[tardy talon]

Yeah that’s a good point

I was thinking once perks are added one of the bonuses for endangered species could be a free starting perk

[gritty terrace]

@solid wedge they explain the venom pretty well in the recent devblog

[proven river]

@young hornet Animals look like animals and that's what they look like, if you don't find the designs scary then too bad because these are animals not monsters. They're not stupidly adjusted to not be dinosaurs anymore and become straight up monsters they're animals.

[limber hull]

Also if scary monsters are what you want, may I interest you in strains?

[proven river]

yeah that's a monster not a dinosaur, if you want scary there you go

[urban flax]

Isle dinos don't look like JW dinos (real horror movie) they're not scary (and not realistic)

[barren zephyr]

Worst of both worlds 😔

[clear escarp]

tha scary part of the game is not how the dinos look like. Its the playable part. The survival part.
And if you are a Baby/juvi dino and a Utah jump out of the bushes or a pachy calls near to you, it is realy scary!
Not because they look scary but because of the "I can die every moment" factor.

[proven river]

I mean... yeah they ain't too good on the animal front either

[bleak atlas]

@scarlet ocean Did you just say para and sucho are in the same tier as allo? And alberto is a tier above?
Allo is around 2.8t
Alberto is around 3t
Sucho is around 4t
Para is between 6 and 17t i think

Allo and alberto are definitly a class below sucho and para and something they should be trying to 1vs1. Like even if para is 6t, there is no way allo wins that if the player isnt afk. Para will just wish the floor with a single allo

[tidal prawn]

Do you think stego should be nerfed? If you do why and how?

[limber hull]

No, just kill 'em with utah packs lmao

[lapis swallow]

It should not be nerfed, the devs should just bring in allo instead

[lapis swallow]

And that

[tidal prawn]

So a bigger threat to stego should solve the problem? And what to do in the meantime?

[limber hull]

keep killing them with utahs

[bitter ibex]

The Stegosaurus should have a lower tail strike angle, now it's practically 180 degrees

also dmg -20% is good idea

[lapis swallow]

La-la-la-landcrocs

[limber hull]

i'd be mad if stego lost the ability to one-tap carnos

[lapis swallow]

@jagged jewel nice, but I told you it should be higher than 60. Do not lie

[jagged jewel]

I Will Lie

[lapis swallow]

You little ba- friendly human

[jagged jewel]

Corrected

[lapis swallow]

Lmao

[scarlet ocean]

Para is only max 2.2-3.4 tons sadly, and I’m not just pulling that data out of my ass.. and especially since isle removed the weight logic and damage and armor differences between Dino’s, it won’t matter sadly.

[uneven mist]

It’s not, para could be 11-12 tons. It’s massive

[scarlet ocean]

Research it though

[limber hull]

why would it not matter? Weight = HP, so para having more HP is def beneficial. Also 3.4 tons sounds WAAY too low

[bleak atlas]

Biggest para found was 17t lmao

[scarlet ocean]

From where I was looking the biggest one was 2.8tons and 31 meters

[bleak atlas]

Ur sources are bad, look for new ones

[scarlet ocean]

Lookin

[limber hull]

Searched up "parasaurolophus weight". This does not fill me with confidence

Literal JW para

And a JW dilo and anky beneath it

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah that’s bs XD

You should probably search more in-depth, i currently am just to see if I was wrong 😅

[uneven mist]

Yep that pretty massive

12 ton para holy

That’s shant size

[scarlet ocean]

Nice source, but so we all were 50/50 right and wrong. since every game used the tubicen genus, the most generic para out of them all

[bleak atlas]

I was actually wrong para mx size is only around 12t now. Probably got downsized

[lapis swallow]

I think 6 ton para could be plausible for the isle, just a tank that can defend itself against smaller stuff, but runs from apexes

[uneven mist]

17 ton para sounds like a nightmare💀

[bleak atlas]

We will probably get 6-7t para

[uneven mist]

I hope for 7 ton para. Mabye 8

[bleak atlas]

Like a 17t cow charging at you

[scarlet ocean]

Yeah seems like it, sorry for the bad sources myself. But even with a 6-7 para, I still think a minimum of 2 allos could take it. (Goin back to the original topic)

[lapis swallow]

6 ton para, its a large tier, I think

[uneven mist]

Kfuck it 12 ton para, replace it with shant

[lapis swallow]

Para is cooler anyway

[bleak atlas]

2-3 sure, but never a solo

[lapis swallow]

A very skilled solo, but nothing else

[uneven mist]

I like shant

[scarlet ocean]

Fair enough then, not solo. (Ngl with how balance goes, that a carno can kill an apex killing stego, not too much hope)

[lapis swallow]

Me too

[bleak atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[uneven mist]

If a carno kills a stego then thats skill issue

[bleak atlas]

How can a carno kill stego? I never even saw a close fight between them

[scarlet ocean]

That would also be the same for para vs allo though.

[uneven mist]

U2 they could but that was u2

[bleak atlas]

Yeah the tail bug i remember

[scarlet ocean]

You haven’t played enough isle then 😅 it’s everywhere. (Isle isn’t 100% irl accurate, they will never be)

[lapis swallow]

Tail bug?

[uneven mist]

Imagine this but para instead

[bleak atlas]

Were you could hit the end of the tail while the stego cant hit you

[scarlet ocean]

They still can update now, 5. I do it relatively easy D: just bait them

[bleak atlas]

Well i think you have to be real bad to lose a stego to carnos

[scarlet ocean]

Probably 😅

[bleak atlas]

That or its a 20 carno mega pack vs a solo stego

[scarlet ocean]

I just realized, isn’t that an allo in the top left XD the crest makes me think that. Rip regardless

[uneven mist]

Yeah its a giga

[scarlet ocean]

Or that, yeah. But some stegos just get baited easily so 1-2 carnos are enough half the time

[uneven mist]

And bottom right Alberto

[scarlet ocean]

Hard to tell

[bleak atlas]

Giga, an allo is way way way smaller

Shant is after sauropods the biggest thing. Something even rex can fear

[balmy meadow]

Shant is not something to mess with

[uneven mist]

Imagine if we got edmonto sized shant

[bleak atlas]

How big was Edmonto again?

[uneven mist]

The biggest estimate of edmonto was the largest hadrosaur but idk How large

[bleak atlas]

[balmy meadow]

"Shantungosaurus size may have made it the largest hadrosaur! Shantungosaurus weight was estimated to be around 18 tons (16329.3 kg), had a length of 49.2 ft (15 m) and a height of 32.8 ft (10 m)!"

"Edmontosaurus included some of the largest hadrosaurid species, with E. annectens measuring up to 12 metres (39 ft) in length and weighing around 5.6 metric tons (6.2 short tons) in average asymptotic body mass, although some individuals would have been larger."

[uneven mist]

Heres something i found https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10kENNmyqPts-fv-nCgK4Rse5YggniHiVTvj6BVv1JDo/edit?usp=sharing

[balmy meadow]

Here's a good scale

[uneven mist]

18 tons?!

[balmy meadow]

Yeah they were kinda big

[uneven mist]

The biggest edmonto was faan 18 tons

[balmy meadow]

Which is just ridiculous

[bleak atlas]

wait 1 ton is 1000kg, means 18t are not 16329.3kg or are u using a different weight system?

[balmy meadow]

I just copy pasted, so Im not fully sure :,)

[uneven mist]

@bleak atlas look here too

[balmy meadow]

Shant could curbstomp a rex

[uneven mist]

Imagine edmonto, it would fold rex with no issue

[lapis swallow]

What is this rex, ewwww

[balmy meadow]

You dont even realize how big the "small" dinosaurs are in the isle without a comp

Its a rex, not a great one though

[bleak atlas]

12t trike

[uneven mist]

And 18 ton Edmonton

[balmy meadow]

Hypsi

[uneven mist]

Literal giant

[balmy meadow]

Dryo

Theyre so big and we dont even realize man

[uneven mist]

Prehistoric wildlife

They don’t have the best models and sizes

[balmy meadow]

Good god man

They were so big

[lapis swallow]

Large bois

[balmy meadow]

Humans vs a Shant? Squished almost instantly if not a bajillion feet away

[gritty terrace]

why is edmont so small?

[gritty terrace]

also I believe that is meant to be edmont

edmont is slightly bigger than shant lmao

because everywhere there is a tyrannosaur there is a damn hadrosaur much bigger than it

[foggy breach]

Isn't shant the biggest hadrosaur?

[gritty terrace]

it is debated but from what I have seen edmont is bigger

there may have been recent stuff so I might be wrong

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr the stegos damage is fine, it got focking 2 foot thagomizers on that tail. Its needed to avoid landcrocs happening again

That is wrong. A deino needs 6 hits to kill a stego in head, a stego needs 7 to kill a deino on the body

Stego head hitbox is pretty small, you aint hitting it everytime

Stego needs no nerf, it needs a competitor

The issue is. You cant really nerf stegos damage

I thought a 2.5 headhit multiplier for the time being

[brazen quiver]

I don’t think it’s gonna get nerfs any time soon. It’s built to fight apexes so until they come out there’s no chance of nerfs

[jagged jewel]

it was downsized recently

downsized to 16

[uneven mist]

Oh, still huge tho

[jagged jewel]

edmonto was smaller on average than shant but could reach sizes on par with it

[uneven mist]

Ah alright

[jagged jewel]

both are still a menace to society

anyways opinions on my NV chart?

[uneven mist]

Chart?

[uneven mist]

Oh yeah that, good. I really liked it

[barren zephyr]

Para were bigger

In confront a human

[remote portal]

has anyone noticed the Hide Empty button stopped working with the latest update?

[lapis swallow]

@shy adder when you hunt the steg . . .

[shy adder]

Don’t hunt full frowns hunt juvies and subs. Sounds like a skill issue

[limber hull]

he does have a decent point

[shy adder]

I’ve kept my Utah diet up by killing juvie stegos

[lapis swallow]

Casualties always happen in a steg hunt

[limber hull]

they are technically avoidable casualties

[lapis swallow]

Me too, but you cant say that everybody that hunts stego adults has a skill issue

[shy adder]

You can safely dismount a juvie or sub stego without getting hit. Playing smart means a lot. If you choose bad fights that aren’t needed then it’s a skill issue in my head. Patients is everything as a Utah player

I’m saying don’t complain when you die to a bad fight that you choose

[lapis swallow]

I know, I am not a bad utah (I wouldnt say I am a good utah tho)

[civic sparrow]

@tidal rose when Utah is say charged by carno or knocked down by teno tail, it’s not just falling over, it’s being severely stunned

So it shouldn’t just jump back up instantly

Also Utah is very powerful already with its super high bleed damage and its agility, so it taking a bit to get up is also a balance thing

[lapis swallow]

I think what he meant when its falls down when bucked of or stands up from sitting (that makes no sense)

[civic sparrow]

They said when charged by carno and tail slammed in their post as well

And it should be punished for falling off the pounce, at least currently, since the pounce is magnetic (and honestly not fair)

If they make it not magnetic then I can see a quicker Stand up from falling off the pounce but until then it needs punishing

[cyan flame]

If a utah gets knocked off due to being out of stam after a buck, or gets knocked off due to terrain, that utah should just die. There's no excuse for the utah to let that happen unless the player is lacking any form of ability to play the game. As such, if you let either of those things happen to you, you deserve to die, end of story.

[urban flax]

If the animation was more dynamic but with the same duration it would look less jarring
The wolves in elden ring are a good example of this but I can't find a video of them
Large monsters from Monster Hunter work too

[pale crest]

I kinda wish adult players that are knocked down had a tumble animation. Or could dodge if they had stam to do so. I'm just a bit worried for combat. That it could be more dynamic ya know?

[keen imp]

bro what the f is this set back i died bc of a set back yall gotta fix ur game

[lapis swallow]

Its the server restart

[pale crest]

Wuffs, as accurate as that is. It doesn't help unfortunately to not offer a solution or elaborate criticism

[keen imp]

can they give us a warning like damn

[pale crest]

Honestly yes that would be helpful

[lapis swallow]

True, I never get knocked down cause of trees or no stam

[lapis swallow]

Dunno why the admins wont do it

[pale crest]

I think the game itself should tbh. Not sure admins can be expected to remember to do that.

Automatic 5 min warning once admins set a restart

[lapis swallow]

There are already bots for that

Dunno why they are not using it

[pale crest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-what-smile-whut-weird-stare-gif-16592004

[lapis swallow]

I know

[pale crest]

Do explain plz

Are they announced in discord or ingame?

[lapis swallow]

Ingame

[pale crest]

The

Whole

Time!?!?

[lapis swallow]

It just tells you: "restart in 5 minutes"

[pale crest]

@topaz pendant They're not updating the legacy branch anymore.

[lapis swallow]

But I think the bot is custom made

[pale crest]

Smh

[lapis swallow]

I still think if Poutinne can make a bot that does this, the devs are very much capable to do that

[topaz pendant]

wdym?

[lapis swallow]

It sounds like you mean legacy

[pale crest]

Are you talking about the version of the isle with a lot of dinosaurs?

[topaz pendant]

what about the plant suggestion

[lapis swallow]

Yes

[pale crest]

When you made the suggestion, which version of the game are you talking about?

[topaz pendant]

i mean rn in evrima u walk past plants and most of them have bright colours but it would be nice to just have stuff like ferns on a dinos diet not bright or large just something that blends in with the ground and jungle

[topaz pendant]

evrima

ik about not updating legacy

[lapis swallow]

Ok that makes sense

Maybe well get that with U6

[urban flax]

It makes sense for dinos to not be able to get fed off ordinary plant, and require particularly nutritious ones

[pale crest]

There already are such plants lol

[urban flax]

Especially mutated dinos that spend their time running

[urban flax]

Yes that's my point

[pale crest]

Think we're not on the same subject here lol

[topaz pendant]

ik but rn walking past them are really easy to identify and they sorta stick out

[urban flax]

You say they should eat ferns, I say they shouldn't because that's not nutritious enough

[urban flax]

That's a shader issue

[topaz pendant]

not ferns exactly just a plant thats green and dosnt have bright red or yellow flowers

[remote shore]

I posted about the need of a queue system, is there any reason why this hasn't been implemented? is there at least plans for it?

[icy lion]

An experimental queue system is already in game

It's being worked on still

[remote shore]

I'm playing the Beta version on Evrima, where is this experimental system being tested?

[icy lion]

On evrima

[sharp folio]

EU1 to EU7 on evrima does not have a queue