general-feedback-discussion

[jade brook]

@jagged jewel i agree. More games should include more ingame information and not make players rely on wikis and mouths to ears. But since all stats and mechanics are prone to change i don't see them adding dossier like this soon

[jagged jewel]

the dossiers don't even indicate mechanics though?

they just speak about the animal in a way that resembles a safari, giving basic info like size

[neon surge]

Yes, and gore is just blood and stuff, which is nasty but i like that kinda stuff. nakedness on the other hand is litterally called your "private" area so its not meant to be seen by other people lol

[jagged jewel]

it's not blood and stuff, it's straight up ripping things in half

[jagged jewel]

@blissful ravine it's censored for a reason lmao

it wouldn't be censored if there was nothing there

@barren zephyr utah is too big to burrow

[blissful ravine]

Then I Hope he will get some underwear

[barren zephyr]

@jagged jewel eh...I guess so, the idea just popped into my head so I shared.

[jagged jewel]

nudity will be in the game

there's going to be suits though iirc

[jagged jewel]

fair enough

[barren zephyr]

Maybe I should have suggested caves?

[jagged jewel]

that sounds better

shouldn't be exclusive to utah though

[barren zephyr]

I agree. Btw fyi I sounded exclusive in my suggestion because I can't imagine the more bigger, clunkier dinos digging. Whereas I see utahs as being more nimble.

[jagged jewel]

sure, but it doesn't have the proper built to fit in a burrow

things like megalania, while larger, can burrow because they're very low to the ground

[barren zephyr]

True, I thought it was a good idea and I think it is as a concept, but in practise I see now it won't work.

[pure atlas]

They also don’t necessarily need it imo

[gritty terrace]

^

[jagged jewel]

@topaz pendant how would a para fight an apex?

you do realize para is smaller than all apexes

[topaz pendant]

Ye but have an attack like it’s punch in legacy but buff it so instead of being a weak dinosaur anything could take only Full adult apexes could take them on

Or make it like teno vs carno but teno is para and carno is apexes

Depending on the situation is who will win

If carno ambushed then it’s probably going to win

But if the teno can see it coming then it can sort of defend itself

[jagged jewel]

dude we’re talking about apexes here

a para won’t beat an apex the same way a teno beats carno

para at the very biggest can handle like an alberto, bigger than that and it will struggle

it has no special weaponry

i think you’re confusing mid tiers with apexes

[fathom tulip]

@barren zephyr You know that Utahraptors are bigger than Polar Bears right?

Like if it were alive today it would be the largest land predator by alot

[lapis owl]

Exactly, I completely agree, and I didn't even think about solo utah like that, that's a really good point, now hopefully the devs do not get convinced by hordes of salty carno players lol

[tepid gate]

I think that should probably go in the general feedback channel since that looks like feedback.

For what it's worth - they do have different folks that work on dinosaurs and humans but - yea the point about 3 programmers stands.

Idk what the bottleneck is development-wise aside from the fact that it's the animations for new playables.

[vapid tusk]

I deleted my comment and posted it on general feedback. They really can't afford to work on humans with all of these huge issues. Let the 3d artists do their work but that's it. Taking development resources for implementing something no one wants when core mechanics, gameplay, optimization, netcode aren't even there is deeply concerning.

All these things aside, The game generally lacks a sense of purpose. It's just a survival sandbox where you spent most of your time as an extremely nerfed version of a character hiding in bushes and trying not to starve. It's just tiresome and tedious. Legacy also had this issue. There should be a progression system.

Also, it goes without saying, 3 programmers ain't gonna cut it.

[lapis swallow]

progression system would not work with the isle being a survival game and you cant put the current playables in a progression, there arent many enough

And many want humans btw

[vapid tusk]

When I say "progression", I mean making survival a rewarding experience. Maybe make juvies start with an ai pack, and as you get older you get fewer pack mates. This would make players harder to hunt you, because 1)They can't tell you apart, 2)It would be hard to kill you. You can also fight your siblings to improve your fighting skills or kill them so you won't starve. Anything for the game not to be a hiding in a bush simulator the first 2 hours of respawning. Of course, something like this would require more people working on the game. We literally waited 6 months to get skins an nesting (an already existing legacy mechanism). And yes, I know these things are hard, coding is hard (I'm a programmer) and you can't simply copy/paste something from a different language/engine and make it work. But the isle development is the most slow development of any game i have ever witnessed. Even DayZ is a polished game now. The isle is still in alpha after 7 years.

[vapid tusk]

I want you to make a poll and see what people prefer. This was an exclusively dinosaur survival game for 7 years. This is it's audience.

[lapis swallow]

The AI juvies would make easy food for already grown dinos, everybody could tell the moving pattern of the AI apart. it would make growing kinda weird. You want to hide as a juvie and the AI is gonna give you away cause it aint hiding with you. The changes would make growing cannibalistic species ridicoulisly easy, you can just use your AI mates as snack. And with a pack spawned in with every carnivore (imma asume you mainly meant carnivores with the AI pack) will destroy server stability cause if you find a pack, you could easily take out 3 or 4 of them (its still AI after all). now imagine for every freshspawn comes 1 more body when it gets seen and hunted and killed cause packmates. I wouldnt want to be the dude fixing the performance then

AI packs just destroy the playstyle of juvies, which is hide from adults ( I hope they change it tho at some point)

[lapis swallow]

You stated that nobody wants humans, I just said you are wrong. I know that a large portion of the community is against the idea, but humans have supporters

[limber hull]

@vapid tusk bold of you to assume no one wants humans when i, and a ton of my mates, very much do

[lapis swallow]

aiiii, he changed his name, even tho nobody talks about anky

[limber hull]

i changed it due to specifically ankyball discussion

[lapis swallow]

that was once

[limber hull]

untrue

[lapis swallow]

how many times were there utah balance discoussions?

[lapis swallow]

compared to carno blood?

[opal mirage]

@vapid tusk Tru that theres a crap ton of bugs and granted I dont care if humans get added, but if they do ill gladly eat. But I agree with the bugs and optimization part needing to finished first.

[lapis swallow]

@vestal flint what do you mean?

[vestal flint]

Bans are broken in evrima

[lapis swallow]

how?

[vestal flint]

For unofficial servers

People are able to come back in

[lapis swallow]

THEN WHY DO YOU ASK IT IN THE OFFICIAL DISCORD?

[vestal flint]

Because the devs are the ones who fix it O. o

[lapis swallow]

maybe ask in the unoffis discord first

[vestal flint]

Why witch hunt something a rando said? Calm I said one thing

[tight oxide]

I know some friends that would buy the game just for the humans

[spiral ravine]

question, is it me or do people get huge frame drops when they get into combat

do i need a better graphics card, 1080ti not enough anymore?

[proven river]

@vapid tusk my dude, you think that all the devs work on the same fucking thing. the devs that work on the models don't do fucking bug fixes or mechanics XD use some common sense

[barren zephyr]

ok I get it! my idea sucked

[limber hull]

i mean

some animals will get burrows

just not utahs

[jagged jewel]

broke the carnivore dinosaur name chain smh

[topaz pendant]

Utahs are way to large to burrow

Dryo should be the largest dinosaur to burrow anything larger (like Utah) should never be able to burrow

[uneven mist]

@near vine I can understand that it has a really fast food drain and that it’s bleedpool is really low makes it frustrating but it is supposed to have low stam and turn like a buss

[near vine]

yea but how are you even suppose to nest? if you cant stop moving or you starve? whats the point of being fastest dino / being the grassland stalker if you are out of stam by the time you reach your prey? numerous times i have been killed and killed carnos as utah with only just 2 utahs against 1 carno pounce it once its stam locked and your garunteed a kill they bleed out from a paper cut XD i could forgive the crap turn radius but not with all these other glaring problems im not saying buff everything but like anyone who says they dont need a buff is a fool like i agree from back in the day they needed a nerf but they have been nerfed into the ground they cant fight anything right now except a lone utah XD or hatchlings

[uneven mist]

The reasion it has so low stam is because it’s supposed to be an ambush predator but I agree to buff its stam to make it more if a pursute predator that can go on the pursute after smal things like Gali, Utah ect but it would need to ambush things like teno and animals that size like it does now. Here’s a little trick that can also help you to fight or hunt utahs, don’t run too mutch because the more you run then the more you bleed out and I agree that carno shouldn’t have gotten a bloodpool nerf or as mutch as it did

[near vine]

i literally just stand my ground / walk when fighting utahs i just fought 4 by myself and i killed 2 of them the other 2 killed me with the help of their friends spawning back in as hatchlings and keeping the bleed going by pouncing me as hatchlings and its so hard to bite anything that small so aka death sentence like they seriously need a buff fine leave turn radius crappy then buff the stam or buff the hunger im not saying make them gods like they used to but they arent playable right now simple as that they have nothing absoutley nothing goin for them right now

[haughty dock]

@gusty solar you can have 60fps + if your PC is not from 2015

[gusty solar]

nope, i got a rtx 2070, a ryzen 7 2700x and 16gb ram, i should be able to play this with 60fps as well..
Also i can play almost every other game with ultra graphics so its not my rig which is at fault here

[haughty dock]

interesting cause ive only got a gtx 1080 and 32gb ram and get like 80fps

ur hardware is def better

[gusty solar]

Even with low settings it wont jump above 60fps, and this is the only the game i have which runs extremly poor. How can a game like rdr2 with ultra graphics be more stable in performance than the isle with low graphics? This is what i dont get

[haughty dock]

yeah thats true but im not a programmer so im not spreading missinformation here. the only thing i can tell you is that when you encounter low fps and you know ur pc isnt that young anymore you should def consider to upgrade.

friend of me just build himself a new pc which lets him have ~130 fps on extreme

[uncut stirrup]

does anyone want utah to be feathered?
i know the isle is mostly a bald dino game but i feel like utah doesn't look anything like irl utah
the game has a realistic tone+ most of the dinos are fairly accurate and utah just sticks out like a sore thumb

[arctic path]

should definetely be feathered

[zealous stone]

At the moment the Utah is just a Jurassic Park velociraptor.

It would be nice to at least see it differentiated from that a bit, rather than just having it be the same basic dromaeosaurid design commonly seen in media now for ages.

[night anchor]

While I think the updated evrima spino is far better than the one in legacy, it would be nice if it’s body design received some tweaks either before or after it’s release, such as a more hooked mouth, larger paddle nearing the end of the tail, and slightly shorter and stalkier legs, much like the early concept

[uncut stirrup]

shorter legs 100%
imo they should depict spino as the goofy looking dinos they were

[limber hull]

@uncut stirrup they're adding a realistic utah so there's that

our current utah will be renamed

but they aren't changing the design

[uncut stirrup]

to what?

[limber hull]

something

probably not a real animal

[uncut stirrup]

still don't really like that they're keeping it

[limber hull]

why not?

we need our mandatory scary raptor animal

for those real JP vibes they're going for

personally, i do not care if paleoaccuracy is discarded for a better experience playing

[uneven mist]

And irl Utah wouldn’t be able to punch up so mutch as our Utah is able to

[limber hull]

irl utah frankly is a fodder animal and i fear for it greatly

[uneven mist]

Same

[limber hull]

carno is going to see it, acknowledge it, and quickly fucking DESTROY it

[uncut stirrup]

its not just the accuracy, its that jp vibes do not fit the game tonally

[limber hull]

they absolutely do

[uncut stirrup]

how?

[limber hull]

"welcome to our mysterious dinosaur island where we've done horrible genetic things to bring back these dinosaurs from the dead and twist their biology to create beasts man could never fathom in millions of years"

[uncut stirrup]

utah raptor irl weighs 600 pounds, compared to other dinos its not that much, but thats not that small of an animal

[uncut stirrup]

i mean more like the gameplay

+og jp was really accurate for its time

[limber hull]

the gameplay will LITERALLY have humans walking around in a JP-type situation

also velo was purposely misrepresented and misnamed for cool factor

they already knew full well velo was not that big or even that species

the name just sounded cool

[uncut stirrup]

in general og JP was pretty progressive for its time tho + im not advocating for 100% realism, im just saying that other dinosaur designs in the game+ the dinosaur gameplay doesnt match a velociraptor design from decades ago

[limber hull]

im sorry but when we have

• giant unstoppable carnivorous eating machines covered in armour and splitting jaws
• animals that can create EMP and manipulate the weather, as well as mess with your basic senses
• fucking dinosaurs that could potentially TURN INVISIBLE

that level of realism kinda goes out the window

this is not realistic nor natural and everyone knows it

[uncut stirrup]

i mean i guess? but those designs also dont fit with utah either

[limber hull]

these are strains

they are representative of how fargone the genetic fuckery is on this island

[uncut stirrup]

and their designs dont fit with utah either imo

[limber hull]

i dont know what you mean with "dont fit with utah"

[lapis swallow]

it isnt a utah, they did the jp-raptor thingy. lets create our own dinosaur and slap a real dinosaur name on it

[uncut stirrup]

it looks outdated and unoriginal, the strains have unique traits like split jaws, and although they arent realistic they have creative designs
imo it doesnt look like they put thought into utahs design

[limber hull]

im trying to point out that this isnt a situation that runs off what's real and what isn't, this is a situation where a sick fucked up computer given the power to replicate and modify DNA at will has created a ton of genetic hybrids and monstrosities for the sake of it. Utahraptor is an example of this. Realism and realistic designs are literally a moot point given the nature of the game

[limber hull]

One could argue the same for rex

It's literally a JP rex

Just outright JP rex

[lapis swallow]

its the jp raptor, jp raptor is cool. lets have jp raptor in our game. -The isle devs thought process

[limber hull]

it only gets a free pass because JP rex was at least more realistic

[lapis swallow]

I would prefer chonk, it looks cooler

[wicked furnace]

Since when was the isle realistic

[limber hull]

never

[wicked furnace]

What i thought tbh

[uncut stirrup]

im not arguing for realism, i would like aspects of realism into the designs(imo partially sticking to irl rules makes your designs more interesting and creative), but im not advocating for complete realism

[limber hull]

idk it feels like you specifically dislike utah because it's just JP raptor even tho JP rex gets a whole pass

[wicked furnace]

Well i mean, its a bit late for utah to get a change, since how much development has been put into it

[lapis swallow]

its jp raptor, jp raptor does not need realism

[uncut stirrup]

rex isnt as bad as utah, the main problem with jp rex was the shrink wrapping, in the isle thats not an issue

[lapis swallow]

and we will be getting an accurate one

[limber hull]

exactly, we're GETTING a realistic utah

so people can play their realistic utah and JP utahs can continue to vibe

[uncut stirrup]

thats a bad thought process, that's not thinking about your design, thats just adding what you think is cool

[uneven mist]

I kinda fear for our realistic Utah tbh, yeah it’s cool but would it be viable on its own?

[wicked furnace]

Probably not

[limber hull]

but here's the thing

some people, like myself, LIKE how utah is atm

it's good as a spooky horror beast which is GREAT since humans are coming out

[wicked furnace]

Same, i do enjoy realistic utahs, but in this game it just doesnt work

Or it wouldnt

[lapis swallow]

it isnt. everybody recognises jp raptor so its good for advertising to say "Look Guys, Jp raptor"

[lapis swallow]

I love them

[limber hull]

our current utah is just a fucking death lizard that pounces you and tears you to shreds and frankly it should be kept that way

it's so fargone from the concept of realism, just let it be that way

[uncut stirrup]

how is that thinking about a design, making it creative?

[limber hull]

like EVERYTHING about it is wrong

[uncut stirrup]

perhaps they could make it distinct from jp velociraptor?

[limber hull]

Trying to make it more realistic just points out the flaws even futher

[wicked furnace]

Even if the sounds are outright copied from jp, they're recognisable at this point, and have been for a long time, making some realistic screech or some shit would just mess everything up

[uneven mist]

Tbh if we made most Dino’s realistic than they would be unviable like teno, spino etc

[limber hull]

Let it be the unrealistic shitshow it is

[uncut stirrup]

again, im not saying it should be entirely realistic

[lapis swallow]

its realistic in movie science

[limber hull]

Also IDC how uncreative the design is, it's
A: Recognisable, much like how rex is (making the game appealing to JP fans)
B: Cool and scary
C: A rare exception to the rule of unique designs

Dondi is an avid JP fan. This game was very much made and inspired by JP

(he hates JW but we're not talking about Dondi's movie tastes)

[wicked furnace]

Fr like, why do you think these games even exist in the first place

They all stem from JP

[uncut stirrup]

why not go for a similar vibe but put more thought into the design?

[limber hull]

Because then it's not recognisable as the "JP raptor"

People want to be chased by the JP raptor

And the JP rex

That's why they're in this game

[lapis swallow]

jp raptor is the best pr move they could have made on the release of evrima

[lapis swallow]

or chasing somebody with the jp raptor

[limber hull]

They recreate that childhood dream (or nightmare) of seeing the cool epic JP dinosaurs up close and personal (perhaps a bit too much so for comfort)

[uncut stirrup]

i feel like the other dinos dont fit, if you really wanted a jp vibe whyu have the other designs not look jp like?

[limber hull]

Because they aren't as iconic as the JP rex and raptors

And the Isle is still it's own thing

[lapis swallow]

Jp 2 tall grass scene, jw running through the forests

[limber hull]

They reproduce the two most iconic designs from JP and then do their own thing

[uncut stirrup]

that isnt thinking about the game as a cohesive whole

[limber hull]

you ask anyone what animal is the "main dinosaur" in JP, they will ALWAYS answer rex or raptor

[uncut stirrup]

thats just adding in random things you like, regardless if it fits the games tone or other designs

[lapis swallow]

it fits the game

[limber hull]

it fits the tone fine

and again, this is an island where dinosaurs and genetic monstrosities like this... thing are being produced, so honestly, nothing is really out of place here

[uncut stirrup]

you accepted that the other dinosaurs do not fit with utahs design tho? at least you didnt refute it?

[lapis swallow]

what a realistic animal/human (what the fuck is this)

[uncut stirrup]

that doesnt look jp at all

[limber hull]

It looks Forest. Still here tho

[limber hull]

i dont refute it. I just don't think it matters given the tone, background and lore of the game

in a game where designs can vary HEAVILY in their consistency with reality

[lapis swallow]

hypsi

[limber hull]

a single JP utah is barely a problem

[uncut stirrup]

but its still a problem

[lapis swallow]

spino

[limber hull]

it really isnt a problem

[lapis swallow]

its not, you will be getting your accurate utah. others will still have fun with the jp raptor

[limber hull]

there is no consistency in designs in this game

[uncut stirrup]

thats an issue though

[lapis swallow]

I see no issue here

I dont feel like that some dinosaurs feel out of place

[uncut stirrup]

why argue it fits into the game while also saying that none of the designs are consistent?

[lapis swallow]

this is why it fits

[limber hull]

because they're consistently inconsistent

[lapis swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/awesome-ok-great-good-thumbs-up-gif-16351183

[limber hull]

you have carno, deino and megalania, which are realistic as all hell, right next to bird of paradise hypsi, godzilla spino and whatever the FUCK magy is

[lapis swallow]

dont forget jp galli

[uncut stirrup]

i think they should pursue their own aesthetic thats inspired by jp instead of just ripping off one of its designs

[lapis swallow]

why is nobody talking about jp galli then?

[limber hull]

Their aesthetic is literally "whatever the fuck they want" and I respect it

[uncut stirrup]

bc if they wanted to go for a jp vibe, it does not read that well

[uncut stirrup]

galli isnt in envirma yet lol

[lapis swallow]

They go for what looks cool

[wicked furnace]

So? Still got a confirmed model

[limber hull]

and yet we have its model

[lapis swallow]

we saw the (how do you call the pictures of the dinosaurs with models again)-picture

[uncut stirrup]

im not going to suggest everything i think bro

[lapis swallow]

*evrima

[limber hull]

also these mfs are still here to shit on any form of reality you can concieve

[uncut stirrup]

they have their own aesthetic though, which is why i dont take issue with its design

[lapis swallow]

not even a dinosaur too

[uncut stirrup]

i dont really see the point in arguing about this when its obviously a very subjective thing, you guys dont mind that the designs are inconsistent(which is something that we agree on, at least you've stated such) and that's fine, but i would prefer the isle to go with one distinct style, instead of just throwing in (what i personally think are) uncreative designs
you're allowed to like jp raptors, and like the chaos of having inconsistencies with their designs, but I'm also allowed to want something else, but there isn't really anything concrete to argue about, only that we see different things in the game

personally, i think that the designs that are currently in envirma don't look very jp, and all of them(again, in my opinion) fit well with each other EXCEPT utah, if everything in the game looked JP i would like the utah to stay as it is, because then it would fit tonally

im not saying that jp is bad, the things i respect about the series differs from what you like about it, i like the fact that although the original JP wasn't realistic, they had very interesting ideas and creative choices,

i feel like this conversation would be more constructive if you told me what you personally like about the isle having JP designs and inconsistencies tonally instead of trying to say i'm wrong for liking what I like, maybe im wrong about this, maybe im just getting overwhelmed, and its hard to tell tone over text, but I am interpreting the way you talk to me as disrespectful and slightly hostile when this is entirely an issue about what we see in a game, maybe it's not intentional, i can see you're all very passionate about this, i get that

[jagged jewel]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/1007410729260953650 opinions?

[still raptor]

Scrub, it wasn’t your idea to begin with. Others have suggested it numerous times and it’s been turned down due to engine limitations.

[jagged jewel]

wait really?

where was it suggested before

never saw it

no need to get aggressive lol

i just saw that i had fish feed and grow in my library and remembered this would be interesting @still raptor

[outer condor]

Before Isle discussion got deleted and remade there was a group of people doing hypothetical aquatic dlc expansion

Also Dondi a while ago said something about universal mouth grapples
I don't what happened to the idea

[jagged jewel]

no it's somewhat confirmed that when the main game is done they might do an aquatic expansion

[outer condor]

I know

[limber hull]

@jagged jewel hes not referring to you

he said "scrub" so im assuming he's referring to DmgScrub

[jagged jewel]

fuck i read it as him calling me a scrub LOL

what do you think of it though?

[fathom tulip]

I'm in full agreement. As a Utah main for upwards of 4-5 years I like it's playstyle, but don't care for the way it looks in the slightest. Right now it's literally just a JP Velociraptor... Having feathers, round pupils, and calls that are more similar to it's courting call would be really great changes.

[jagged jewel]

we are already getting accurate utah as a seperate playable

[fathom tulip]

Oh thank god, can't wait for that then

[barren zephyr]

@solid wedge very nice suggestion, I would personally like to see dark zones.

Not apart of your suggestion but seeing caves that connect to other caves or even holes in man made tunnels with said dark zones would be really cool and scary for anyone attempting to explore them

[solid wedge]

actually that sounds awesome, plz feel free to build on the idea and make your own suggestion

here ill make an edit

[barren zephyr]

👍 Is good, more places to explore the better. But yes having a way to escape would be good as well, would stop people from just camping your hiding spot

[zealous violet]

Im always advocating for more places to explore!

[zealous violet]

I think when carni AI is added again, they should only go after adults. Gives the adults something to do and watch out for and allows the juvies and whatnot to not just be the main target each and every time against something they cant beat or outrun.

[fierce lintel]

to be fair if you lunged headfirst into a wall of meat you'd be pretty stunned too

[zealous violet]

Also, I think the spikey plates on the stegos should be reserved for males and the females get the more round ones.

[jagged jewel]

@solid wedge good suggestion, although dryo would preferrably have good NV

[faint folio]

@placid iron that's one thing I hope my scent suggestion helps. Right now, carnis kinda just have to get lucky to stumble upon a dino on their diet. There's no way to specifically look for a specific diet nutrient if it isn't already dead

So I might need pachy or stego, but unless I hear one broadcasting consistently enough to track, I am kinda just stuck wandering the fields hoping to see one that is in a group small enough to pick out

[solid wedge]

I dont really know how its night vision will be, so i kinda guessed that it would be decent but better than most

[faint folio]

There's a lot of guesswork and luck involved, in a way that the herbi diets don't have. Not to mention that after finding food you still have to kill it without dying yourself, which can be difficult

@burnt bone I agree! A lot of dinos basically migrate from swamp to center to NW. it's nice that the pachys do things a bit different. Plus I'm all for anything that allows more widespread use of the map-- a ton of jungle and mountain and beach that is just entirely empty because there are no resources there

[burnt bone]

Ty, I hope they decide to do more stuff like it in the future

[arctic nest]

bruh why was my post on ''spread herbivore diets more than center'' so unliked lmao

do yall love center that much

[low tendon]

Was curious as to why a frog is too big to swallow for an adult ptera while a schooling fish is not, particularly when a fish provides twice the food as a frog?

[burnt bone]

You worded it to sound less of “move diets from center” and more like “spread herbie diets out more”

[arctic nest]

fair

[polar umbra]

is the patch causing anyones server to crash?

[quiet wind]

is there any way to know how many people are on your server once youre already in? cuz ive starved to death sooo many times as carno cuz there was not enough players on XD

[low tendon]

Used to be able to refresh the server list in Steam to see the current number, but the last I tried, they no longer show up. Might be due to update 5.

[tight oxide]

question

is there a buck hint currently?

[atomic dirge]

The update is making all the servers die for me

[tight oxide]

average Isle patch tbh

[snow meadow]

Just wondering have they ever said if global chat will ever be an option for servers? Sorry if this has been answered, I've been absent from the isle for awhile.

[warm garden]

is the game broken rn for everyone?

[snow meadow]

It is for me.

[faint folio]

Saw it like once lol. Had to be told by someone eventually (because the controls are a bit overwhelming for a newer player and I didn't remember after the first message) that it's holding E to buck

[snow meadow]

I don't know if I even got the update. I restarted steam a few times but the game isn't working.

[warm garden]

the patch ruined it

[snow meadow]

That's what I figured.

I was excited for stegos not to be able to just see me under water and no more flying fish lol

[warm garden]

lol instead we got no isle whatsoever

reduced to atoms

[snow meadow]

It happens

[primal spear]

dinosaur bodies should swim beneath the surface of the water and not float like balloons ... sadness

[faint folio]

@sweet yacht love your tag, btw :D anyways vomiting still works (at least prior to last update on evrima-- not able to play tonight so can't test it). Gotta eat above 100% hunger though... I try to watch it really closely and only eat when I have room

[sweet yacht]

Its weird man, sometimes you'll vomit after eating on 94%, and other times you could swallow a whole body at 99% and not vomit.

[faint folio]

Huh weird. Possibly desync/lag related? Normally I'm okay as long as I stop eating at exactly 99%

That's strange though

[rigid cedar]

is it just me or do the water look strange and out of place in the new update, too much waves and the color of the river looks like the ocean

[limber hull]

@keen willow that map just sounds like a giant middle finger to deino players

[warm sluice]

I mean sure but also have rivers connecting them all

[limber hull]

@cursive whale couldnt you attempt stockpiling fish for the dark?

[cursive whale]

Oh for sure! Shouldn’t have to though. I won’t starve, I just am saying it’s way too dark :/

[limber hull]

fair enough

[limber hull]

capybara is a cringe animal

[last lily]

[limber hull]

i stand by this

make it ambient AI so i can kill it

[last lily]

Well they do have a high reproductive rate... I think.

[barren zephyr]

@fierce lintel now i wanna hear why its a bad idea ?

[fierce lintel]

only like 120 or whatever the server limit is people would be able to play at once

there'd be a ton of people stuck in the queue

it would not be fun

there's my reason why it's a bad idea

[barren zephyr]

bruh they stand just with more ppl

you didnt read the sentences right

[fierce lintel]

theres another reason

[barren zephyr]

what now?

[fierce lintel]

it would be very laggy with too many people

[barren zephyr]

the map is big enough

when they fix this laggy problem also

it would be perfect

[fierce lintel]

I'm not sure bc I don't run a server, but I don't think it matters how far apart the people are

[ruby sierra]

@timid kindle probably testing when the storms are coming or something

[barren zephyr]

okay strange that other games work like mmos. They just have to fix it and increase the number of players

[fierce lintel]

it's not as simple as just fixing it (I think)

[timid kindle]

Why is game so ugly again? Most of the time cant see anything and if i can see something its completely black shadows like if someone put contrast all the way to left. Right now Evrima has worst graphic from all games i played in last few years.

[fierce lintel]

how many people do you think would be able to fit in a server and have it not be laggy?

[timid kindle]

with servers we have now? 10 probably

[fierce lintel]

@barren zephyr

[barren zephyr]

if you work hard at it, you'll get it. Otherwise many games would die out

I don't know how and I don't care, but it can be done

[fierce lintel]

hmm not sure about that

depends on the future

[barren zephyr]

right

maybe just the map boring idk

[snow meadow]

The map is the worst part of evrima imo. The game is beautiful visually when the lighting works, models and animations are great, combat is better than legacy imo etc. But map is like a giant golf course and desert of nothingness. I don't understand the point in such a large map when most of it isn't used intuitively.

They have a plan for a smaller map on the road map and that cant come soon enough for me.

[limber hull]

frankly i could care less if the map was twice the size or half

as long as Jace works on it, I'm content

@tough trench if they lost confidence in their product, there'd be zero hotfixes

experimenting with new water and anti-gamma systems does not mean they expect failure from the game, it just means they're experimenting

[tough trench]

That's exactly why you have experimental servers and don't just slap everything on the live servers and hope it will work out somehow

[limber hull]

EVRIMA is literally a beta branch

[icy lion]

Every evrima server is an experimental server

[timid kindle]

few moths ago game was nice, now it looks liek this for me on highest settings... WTF

You cant even see grass right next to you and its stil day not even night. Devs srsly are you trying to kill your game?

[snow meadow]

I wouldn't care about size either if the map was actually used and was varied. The endless green is boring.

I just feel like a smaller map will be funner personally and less of a chore to get around.

[limber hull]

have you seen the new map screenies btw?

[snow meadow]

Which ones?

[limber hull]

this one

[snow meadow]

I think the map looks great btw. I just want more of it used. I love the beach and cliff areas but I have 0 reason to go there. Deinos in the ocean would be neat too

[limber hull]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/1003403762800525322/lordbeipi.gif

[snow meadow]

Wow it isn't green I love it

[limber hull]

i mean, i still like the green and hope we get tropical rainforests alongside this

me likey rainforest

[snow meadow]

I miss ponds and lakes tbh. I hope there's a map with that style again. Endless river gets boring

[limber hull]

i mean, this map has a pond

[snow meadow]

I would like to just pick a territory and live there as a deino. With endless river it's kinda hard and you are always on the move and encourages land crocs which is weird, though to each their own. I really focus on snatch and drowning playstyle for deino. So I'd like to camp my own lake. But that's just a little hope of mine, I get not everyone likes that playstyle. But having the option would be nice.

[snow meadow]

I know.

I sit in it often.

[barren zephyr]

Well... I usually play the crocodile just so that I can be in the pond more often

[jagged jewel]

@full torrent what do you mean by new juvie system

[vivid needle]

@balmy drift what do you mean ?

[balmy drift]

Instead of what u said «loading map in character selection instead of when u spawn» we can see ablack screen when we load into the actual game

[full torrent]

I thought kissen in the development blog was talking about in the closing remarks about a system that would make the juvenile stage more engaging

[vivid needle]

Ah ok, i did not mean that the map should load right after the character selection, even though it could be a great idea to pre-load (if such a thing is possible), but just after choosing a location to spawn, there should be an actual loading screen (or a blackscreen) that let the map completely load before showing the loading process to us

[jagged jewel]

ah alright

[balmy drift]

Ah ok

[crystal trail]

@floral saffron So you're aware, sandbox will be returning in future. It's just a case of it not being worthwhile to implement while we have a limited selection of playables.

[uneven mist]

The punch man

[hot blaze]

Is evrima going to have a sandbox mode too ?

[uneven mist]

Yes

[hot blaze]

ok ty

[limber hull]

literally confirmed like 2 messages ago

[burnt bone]

that is literally what he just said

[hot blaze]

yyy wasnt sure if it was for evrima or legacy

[burnt bone]

legacy still has sandbox, and they aren't updating it anymore. so if you hear something changing or being added, its basically a 100% chance its evrima

[hot blaze]

ok thanks

i hope that all cannis troll will play on sandbox mode

[burnt bone]

I doubt it. part of the fun is making people lose hours of progress. (note: I dont do this)

[lapis swallow]

isnt going to happen

[hot blaze]

x_x

ok then last hope is to have something like a safe mode for same species

[limber hull]

not gonna happen

[uneven mist]

Hope that won’t happen and it most likely won’t, don’t trust anyone even your own species

[limber hull]

a lot of canni trolls do it for the PvP tho so some would migrate to sandbox, certainly not all tho

[hot blaze]

sad mentality, especially for herbi, which survive in groups

[burnt bone]

herbies survive in groups as much as carnis do

[hot blaze]

true

but never had a prblm as utah, i wont talk bout carnos and deinos.............

[burnt bone]

consider yourself lucky then, I have heard a lot about utah cannibalism.

[hot blaze]

rly ? thats sad. I know i was lucky, 150+ hours deino without trolling cannis, and in 2 weekds i have been killed like 10 times

[lapis swallow]

these cannis arent trolling, some of them are actually killing others for food

[jagged jewel]

it's not necessarily trolling

[hot blaze]

y i know, but you all saw once, white deino, always as 2 or 3, ignoring free food and rushing to you just for a kill

[jagged jewel]

never happened to me

[hot blaze]

i always spawn as ptera after just to check if they ate my body and it never hapend

[jagged jewel]

also kosing is just part of the game

you avoid others to survive, simple

[hot blaze]

yy

still sometimes complicated when there is only one way to go (ribers)

rivers*

anyway thanks for anwsers, and ill remember, dodge everyone, talk to none, nice game 😄

[left storm]

They removed my feedback addressing their lack of professionalism. Can’t take any form of criticism.

[limber hull]

my brother in christ they have three channels for taking criticism

[trim mauve]

Doesn't change the fact that any critizism reguarding the devs gets silenced even if its warranted.

[faint folio]

Yeah I hope as more dinos get added that they remove cannibalism from most dinos diets. They don't have to give cannibalism sickness to everything, but... It's really rough trying to play a baby deino or carno. Been protected by adults only to be killed a few moments later when they get hungry stinks.

[lapis swallow]

not any criticism

[hot blaze]

yy, or just being friendly as adult and kill you too

[limber hull]

i mean if you could do the criticism in a way that doesn't immediately strike the devs back with hostility they might be more inclined to listen. And before you remind me that the devs themselves have proven to be hostile on occasion, generally a better way to defuse that is to react with civility and legitimate discussion. This back and forth where everyone's an ass to each other achieves nothing but makes each side less enthusiastic about taking on the critiques of the other

[queen ember]

If someone gives valid criticism and shares a opinion without straight up attacking them, people should be able to listen to them instead of shutting anyone out at the sight of criticisms

[limber hull]

what rawdawg shared was a video clearly designed to poke fun at Kissen and discuss her in a derogatory fashion. I'd imagine they'd not be too thrilled to take on that criticism after going out of their way to attack one of their devs

[queen ember]

People give criticism of what can be improved on but if it’s not criticism about something good, it usually just gets attacked and called flame baiting

[faint folio]

Utah is nice because while I've been killed by other Utah's before, in general it's the overwhelming minority. The canni sickness and not having Utah on Utah's diet removes most incentives to kill other Utah's, and the advantages of packing mean it's actually beneficial to group with adopted babies

@hot blaze

[hot blaze]

y thanks, im playing utah since a few days, and even if you die, only 1h30 to grow its ok

[trim mauve]

How was his hostile? I have a screenshot of the message and it wasnt even hostile in nature. Maybe if one side wasn't so defensive we could work things out like people over the age of five. Also reguarding what you put after the fact critisim usually involves something that could be labeled as an "attack" on someone. Just I don't see the point in defending something that was objectively wrong by saying that "The way the critizism was worded as mean so they shouln't listen.". When critizism is inherently mean in nature.

[limber hull]

Criticism is not inherently mean

If the only way you can criticise is to be a dick, you just suck at criticism. Yes, criticism can be hard to hear, sure, but it's not inherently malicious

[queen ember]

Yes, it isn’t inherently mean, but people take it that way anyways because they can’t handle it

[limber hull]

And the way I believe the video is presented feels derogatory

It doesn't feel like criticism

[trim mauve]

what struck you as derogatory

[copper wolf]

ratio

[crisp hamlet]

The video that got deleted from general feedback?

[limber hull]

k cool i guess

[copper wolf]

what video

[sweet yacht]

ratio

[faint folio]

Yeah the fast grow time is nice. If I lose it it's not that big of a deal. I also like how active they are- you're constantly moving either to chase/bait food or to avoid another threat. You're not so big that people avoid picking fights, so you get decent action

[limber hull]

also, reminder, I'm not defending Kissen

[queen ember]

You literally are

[limber hull]

I literally am not. The statement she made was dumb. However, the response is not assisting in getting the feedback across

I do not agree with what Kissen said

[copper wolf]

Ok, ok, I see what's happening here
You're face to face with greatness, and it's strange
You don't even know how you feel
It's adorable
Well, it's nice to see that humans never change
Open your eyes, let's begin
Yes, it's really me, it's Maui
Breathe it in
I know it's a lot
The hair, the bod
When you're staring at a demi-god
What can I say except, "You're welcome"
For the tides, the sun, the sky
Hey, it's okay, it's okay
You're welcome
I'm just an ordinary demi-guy

[queen ember]

Ok bud

[trim mauve]

It was a simple light jab that made the impact of his critizism land better. Even if you could call "derogatory" the most he said was "how is this even a person." which isnt even bad to begin with.

[copper wolf]

this argument reminds me of that one kanye song donda

[limber hull]

I think the situation was poorly handled and deserves criticism, devs were 100% in the wrong in the situation. However, treating the entire discussion like a joke intentionally designed to make one side seem worse and ending the video off with "how is this a real person" doesn't exactly feel like it's critique and all it does is make the devs more pissed. No attempt was made to explain how it could've been done better or elaborate on Krayt's PoV or what would've been the right way to go. There's no real critique, the entire video was just a recap where someone laughs at Kissen.

It achieves nothing and makes the devs feel more spiteful to us, treat us with less respect and not take on our criticisms. It's shooting ourselves in the foot and it makes future criticisms less likely to be seen.

[crisp hamlet]

I think the video was made in a derogatory stance, but the content of the video itself is whats important. Someone who enjoys this game and what it has and will have to offer asked a question(I forget the first text, but I recall the latter ones were reasonable and appropriate), and in turn it was reacted to with hostility, partial misunderstanding, and equal derogatory to what the video itself provided, not the person in it.

The video was the wrong choice in being made

[copper wolf]

idk, the video was quite based

[crisp hamlet]

Yeah

[copper wolf]

young boy energy

[crisp hamlet]

The video was hostile, the content in it was far different

[trim mauve]

He did tho as it pointed out the wrong doing in the situtation and then sparked a convo such as the one we are having now. Saying it did nothing to the conversation is objectively wrong.

[limber hull]

By all means, the situation deserves to be unpacked and criticised, but in an appropriate fashion that at least gives a tedium of respect to the side that is supposed to be taking that criticism on board.

[crisp hamlet]

The video would have been far more understandable and acceptable if the way it was made was not to be derogatory, but to show what happened.

[crisp hamlet]

Yes

Exactly

[copper wolf]

wait, what if Kissen, is actually donda

https://tenor.com/view/the-isle-the-isle-evrima-beipiaosaurus-the-isle-beipiaosaurus-gif-25133051

i agree with my opinion

[limber hull]

Of course, it aids in the conversation, but to present it directly to the devs is not wise. The video itself helps spread these mistakes so that others can see and provide civil critique about it, but it should NOT be the key tool in addressing the situation. Now, the devs see the whole situation as another hostile response and will, in turn, start treating discussion of it as inherently negative

This causes our avenues to make ourselves heard in meaningful ways narrower and narrower, which is TERRIBLE going forward

[sweet yacht]

they are the people making the game you brainlet

[copper wolf]

ratio!!!!!!!!

dang stev just ratio'd u

[limber hull]

They are, which is why we don't want them to start blocking out critique

My God, I'm not saying to AVOID criticising them

I'm saying to do it in a manner that doesn't cause them to respond with hostility and rejection

I'm saying the video assists in spreading awareness of the situation but does not make for good direct feedback

[crisp hamlet]

I think the community should be able to have a talk with the devs. remove the hostility, and compare the mannerly critisism from both sides. The dev and the community should not be seperate, they should work together. The video did nothing to aid this, its just more conflict. What was in the video deserves to be addressed and resolved, but not in a demeaning way

[trim mauve]

The most negative thing said in that video was "how is this a real person" If the devs egos are so large that thats all it takes to make any critizism in the conversation null in void thats not a good thing. Also no one is saying thats the only feedback we are providing. We are simply saying that we agreed with the point in the video that what kissin did was unprofessional and the fact he said "how is this a real person" was enough for them to ingore it is once again not a good look.

[limber hull]

the entire video is presented as a joke my dude

[copper wolf]

then... take it as a joke then

[limber hull]

as it should be

a joke isn't criticism tho

[copper wolf]

so... why are we complaining about it

[crisp hamlet]

We are discussing it, not complaining

[limber hull]

because we're treating it as valid criticism

[severe idol]

It's a day ending in Y. Someone must complain about something.

[valid zephyr]

@daring talon totally agree. there definitely needs to be a toggle to disable nudity if that turns out to be a thing

[limber hull]

it's a joke that makes fun of a ridiculous situation. It's not critique

[copper wolf]

based video

[copper wolf]

wdym every day ends in y? what lmao?

[severe idol]

I think everyone is being given perma-pants. Human(oid) models are only originally made nude to make sure musculature and general anatomy are respected when applying other layers.

(I should clarify this is an uninformed, educated opinion - I don't know what the Devs plan)

[severe idol]

That's the joke, yes.

[limber hull]

its a joke lmao

[daring talon]

based

[crisp hamlet]

im not sure about the other ppl here, I love this game and think the video was toxic, but it did bring up something important. Its not complaining, its really quite the opposite. We want less complaining and more resolve

[sweet yacht]

how is this a real person?

[trim mauve]

It can be tho. Thats the point im getting at. Also if you view it as such why were you taking it seriously and getting pissy over it lmao.

[copper wolf]

fr

[daring talon]

tbf if they wanted to show musculature without nudity they could use a suit like the first humans we saw in game

[limber hull]

seems like rawdawg was more pissed about it being deleted than i am about it existing. I'm just pointing out why it probably got deleted

[severe idol]

There is better ways to do everything. No one will get it right or should be expected to at all times.

[daring talon]

yes ofc
people are people
and people aint perfect

[limber hull]

obviously

[copper wolf]

ur mom

[severe idol]

What got deleted?

[limber hull]

some vid rawdawg posted in #general-feedback that makes fun of a situation involving kissen and dondi in a discussion about magy

[severe idol]

Gotcha.

[crisp hamlet]

Yeah it was a rather hostile joke video but the content is what we are sort of discussing

[severe idol]

Bottom line is this: Use General-Feedback for concise or thought filled posts, not memes or jokes masquerading as feedback. If you want to be taken seriously, then take it seriously.

[copper wolf]

hey hey hye, it was a good video, me likey

[valid zephyr]

that would be great if that's the case.

judging by how childish people were with the male merc models, them releasing female mercs with nudity would be complete pain.

[severe idol]

"kek omegalul look at this stupid dev take on the situation" will not help anyone. At all. Perceived problems being true or not.

[severe idol]

I think it was the general idea, but I'll ask around as I don't know 100%. I've heard some people saying it one way or the other.

[worn pumice]

Funny video it was funny

[faint folio]

Not sure. If they were planning on doing perma pants, what would be the point in modeling (and then needing to blur out) the crotch? There are plenty of dolls (ken, etc) which have muscular arms, legs, chest, but just kind of... Get vague below the belt, and they are presumably modeled as well

[severe idol]

🤷 I'm not a Developer. I just know it's typically done skeleton outwards.

[molten onyx]

amonguskissen

[faint folio]

Same lol. I'd be interested to hear the reason, if any devs happen to see this conversation 😂

[severe idol]

I think it's pretty much the reason I mentioned - it helps inform where everything does or should sit to maintain silhouette continuity between assets. Like the little smiley faces last time, the blur was probably added as a cheeky maneuver more so than any modeled genitalia... just this community can't just look at something, go "Haha" and move on like normal adults, I guess. So we've got this fallout.
(This is a personal take)

I gotta add that last bit because I've been seeing fun screenshots of me out of context again. Love it.

[faint folio]

No worries lol

[left storm]

It’s aimed towards the dev’s treatment of the community and criticism.

[urban flax]

I think I have an out-of-context screenshot of you SaoulZod hanging somewhere
Oh no it's one of someone else

[severe idol]

:(

[urban flax]

It was Gar

[severe idol]

Oh, yeah, that'll happen.

My favorite thing is when I get messaged or harassed in a different game by Dino Kids. I've even gotten ban appeals but in a totally different game - like Destiny 2.

[urban flax]

Guess it's the kind of thing that happens when you are moderator in a Discord Server with a (slightly) toxic community

@opal mirage Utahraptor will not be remodeled, it will be renamed as an accurate utahraptor will be added to the game later on.

[severe idol]

Eh. Most Dino Kids are just very, very passionate about the game and I can't fault them... but then there's the other ones.

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-batman-alfred-quotes-gif-14054558

[opal mirage]

i had a stroke reading that can you rephrase please?

[limber hull]

an accurate utah is being added

[icy fiber]

can we talk about how dumb this update to lighting is?i have to rotate my camera almost 140 degrees just to see whats at my feet, how is this fun?

[limber hull]

and the current one is being renamed

[urban flax]

Current Utah = Not really a utah and it's gonna be renamed into something like Apolloraptor (but not Apolloraptor)
Devs will make an accurate Utah in the future

[opal mirage]

Oh I had no clue xD

[opal mirage]

Oh thas awesome!

[jade brook]

Night Vision hasn't dropped yet, i think it is temporary

[icy fiber]

i wouldnt mind it if we had night vision, but we dont, so why release this before night vision dropped, it makes no sense

[severe idol]

If I had to guess... Probably to make you appreciate night vision more. Or maybe they were just excited and wanted to show people cool things.

[icy fiber]

yeah was just about to say its some snake oil salesman crap, nightvision will probably be mediocre but after you put up with the current lighting for 2+ weeks it will seem like a godsend and the most amazing thing since sliced bread

[jade brook]

honestly i like the dark night

[severe idol]

Night time should be dark. I like the way it is.

[jade brook]

i just think the bright sky is weird with the dark ground

but i know it is being worked on already

oh wait what The Isle has updated today?

that's why Valanoir 's sky in the pics are darker than what i have seen they fixed it?

just read the announcement, they don't mention it, i'll have to see later... but queue and anti gamma? Nice

[glacial falcon]

has anyone just sat down after eating and then thrown up randomly????

[balmy drift]

Amen

[barren zephyr]

there should be a blur option because of streamers @candid mulch

[icy fiber]

cant see anything during the day? its okay, just play like this

[candid mulch]

Sure for streamers but to blur for everyone is unnecessary to me

[barren zephyr]

correct yes

[daring talon]

@candid mulch ah hmm yes the mercenaries who were either left on or sent to this island were dropped in comepletely naked
i mean its more likely left c uz otherwise they'd start with guns
either way tho, you may lose a gun escaping a dinosaur, you aint losing your underwear unless something really fucking specific happened
also
ur down bad
also also
survival horror game
not survival horror porn game

I dont think wether or not someones genitals are out adds to the horror, especially if everything is so covered in blood you cant see it anyways.
As such they dont need to be

The only reason they would be wanted is perverted stuff and that doesnt need to be here
unless they make pp's into an organ babies need for diets or something random like that
on that note i doubt they would, as, knowing people, there would be piles of them just at random. I doubt they want the isle to be known as the game where dinosaurs make piles of genitals

[candid mulch]

Let me shut you up real quick.I wasn’t talking about just mercenaries but humans in general buddy so yes that means tribals surprise surprise.Also you’re completely exaggerating what I’m saying, if you think humans being naked=pornography and that I don’t care if they’re naked because I’m “Down bad🤓” then you have the immaturity of a middle schooler.Back onto humans being naked could be from other mercs/tribals taking their loot, clothes, etc for ofc themselves so it’s not gonna be very specific situations where their clothes are off.This is a HORROR game where by the time of these naked humans release will be much more gore and blood so just because your 13 and you don’t want your parents walking in on you doesn’t mean everybody else should have to be brought down to a level so you don’t get in trouble

[candid mulch]

Ah yes naked=perverted.That’s YOUR perverted mindset

[daring talon]

your profile picture is an anime character with its ass out. Im not the pervert here

[daring talon]

also tribals look more like fantasy orcs without the green then they do humans, be more specific. They're seperate entities

[candid mulch]

Because he had no clothes that scene, idk how that’s perverted

[daring talon]

you chose to go to that scene, snip that image, and put it as your profile picture

[candid mulch]

No they don’t?

[daring talon]

you havent seen tribal have u

[candid mulch]

Yes because it’s funny because his butt isn’t that big

[candid mulch]

I’ve seen the cannibal/strain version of tribals which I think you’re referring to

[daring talon]

are you thinking of the oldass native americans from way back in the day

[candid mulch]

?

[daring talon]

cuz that aint tribals anymore

tribals now is that "strain"

[candid mulch]

Source?

[daring talon]

You got mercs - normal people
Tribals - Looks like a strain
Cannibals - Look kinda like xenomorphs, discontinued

[daring talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEFXKJPx35Q&t=7s
https://clips.twitch.tv/GlamorousYummyFalconCmonBruh

[candid mulch]

Idk how that changes what I said…..they’re humanoid dude

[daring talon]

They are not human

By definition a shaved chimp is humanoid. Doesnt mean it is human

[candid mulch]

Humanoid in shape, please use context clues because Ofc I don’t actually mean they’re humans dumbass😑😑

[daring talon]

A coyote is a canid. That does not mean it is a dog

[candid mulch]

OMG SERIOUSLY😱😱

Humanoid: having an appearance or character resembling that of a human.

[calm granite]

#general-feedback message 💀

[daring talon]

Also going back to funny smashed with a fryingpan lookin tribals, they, unlike the average merc, probably have a good idea of how to beat a baby utah to death and turn its hide into a tunic, or whatever the strip of leather around ones hips to cover there bits is called

[daring talon]

"I need the woman in my dinosaur game to have her boobs out while she gets mauled!"

[calm granite]

lmao

[candid mulch]

Can put emojis but not how I’m wrong🫢

[candid mulch]

Exactly that

[calm granite]

is this friday the 13th?

[candid mulch]

No actually it’s Saturday the 13th🤓

[candid mulch]

Also that’s not a very good comparison to prove your point

[calm granite]

wow what a coincidence holy

[candid mulch]

Almost

[calm granite]

i mean thats a pretty fucked mindset is all for this game at least

should just be underwear

[candid mulch]

Can you tell me why?Its supposed to be horror(Like Friday the 13th) and it’ll add to the horror.Hell we don’t even know the mindset yet because up6 is supposed to show us what they want their horror to be like

[daring talon]

i am confused as to why you think you will be able to tell wether or not smeone has their bits out when they're slaked in blood

[candid mulch]

Because it’s scary and primal

[daring talon]

i would like to remind you that due to this the only reason you would want them to have their bits out is so you can stare while u wait for something to eat you/do really fucking weird roleplay

[calm granite]

the weirdos of the community are gonna come out the cracks 🥴

[daring talon]

being in ya jimmies is just as bad as bein butt naked. only difference is a breeze

(When alone, around other people the difference is massive)

[candid mulch]

Yes like every community

[calm granite]

its like 90% of this one tho, from the stuff i heard and other things..

[daring talon]

dang u blind as all hell

[candid mulch]

Idk man I would rather be dead than let someone see me naked

[daring talon]

they're speaking of y o u

[candid mulch]

They don’t know me so they can’t speak on me

[daring talon]

its not like i want them to be dropped in in plate armor r a mek suit so they cant be touched
its just that they really, REALLY dont need to be buttfuck naked for a mauling to be horrific

[calm granite]

should be like dayz

[daring talon]

or rust

where u can change between undergarnments, blurred, or naked
but it should 100% be undergarnments or blurred by default

[candid mulch]

If you genuinely think I’m weirdo over this that says a lot especially you Fsh.You’re automatically connecting Naked=pervertion in a DINOSAUR game.That says a lot about your mindset

[calm granite]

i wasnt talking directly to him

[zealous stone]

Isn't nudity going to reduce the audience size?

[calm granite]

for snowflakes yes

"oh no naked woman dead wtfff"

[barren zephyr]

I don't understand why my idea got the reaction it did but oh well

[candid mulch]

I’m pretty sure I alr agreed on the fact that you should be able to blur

[calm granite]

thats what hunger and thirst is for 🙂

annnd good diet

[barren zephyr]

I guess

[calm granite]

too many mechanics

[candid mulch]

I think people think it doesn’t make sense because cleaning a wound with your tongue isn’t ideal

[calm granite]

i want riverside wallow back so bad

[candid mulch]

Why did they remove it?I never understood

[barren zephyr]

Btw I'm glad I'm not the only one who has been having issues with lighting. I was concerned about my pc, spending quite some time tampering with my monitor and different settings like what was going on xD

[calm granite]

idk dude its so dumb

[barren zephyr]

I hope it gets fixed asap

[calm granite]

who tf isnt lmao

[daring talon]

people have religions and standards you brainlet.

[calm granite]

mfs got thermal eye contacts

[candid mulch]

Cool does that mean they should censor certain horror movies and games?NO BECAUSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PROBLEM DONT PLAY IT/WATCH IT

It’s really that simple

[daring talon]

Theres a massive difference between playing/watching movies and games you bought that advertised as that, and a game that you already have that was advertised as survival horror deciding to throw in naked women for literally no purpose

done talking to you, may as well go talk to my wall

[candid mulch]

What religion blocks seeing naked people in video games?

[candid mulch]

Ironic lmao

[daring talon]

Christianity, Judaeism, Islam

[candid mulch]

Wrong

[daring talon]

You dont look at naked people who aint your spouse

unless you're a doctor
because duh you're a doctor

[candid mulch]

Video game characters aren’t people

[barren zephyr]

Tbh I think censorship is a need especially for content creators otherwise they can get strikes

[candid mulch]

I’m not arguing that but this guy is still somehow arguing with me

[barren zephyr]

I think everyone just needs to chill, troll a few carnos and have a good wallow

[zealous stone]

Yes, though different people will think of it differently.

[trim mauve]

You fr agrued why a blurred nudity option is a bad thing. I have no issue with seeing gore or nudity in games but me and other people don't want to see a mercs dick the whole time we wanna play the game. If something like rust can have the decency to make an option for it I don't see why isle can't. What does seeing a mercs dong subtract from the game or horror aspect of the game. You people fight over the weirdest things.

[zealous stone]

I can agree with this to an extent, but one problem I have with this is those horror movies/games tend to have this stuff in them from the start, so they aren't blind siding anyone with it. The Isle kinda would be. There are certainly people already playing who wouldn't want to see nudity, so if they don't at the very give somekind of option to cover it up then they risk alienated that part of the audience.

[cursive flume]

Just got muted but I didn’t say it was a bad idea.I’m saying in general/for EVERYBODY it is not a good idea so please stop acting like I said the most weird, outlandish take

[cursive flume]

Again I quite literally agreed it should be an option further up

[cursive flume]

Also btw would you really count this from the start?Evirma is a beta with pretty slow development.It’s a horror survival game with horror only being really worked on NOW

[icy lion]

That's a bad thing to admit

[zealous stone]

That's the problem. It isn't the start. The Isle has existed in one form or another for years now.

[zealous stone]

I wasn't replying to you.

[trim mauve]

Where did you say that? I just saw your suggestion and didnt read but "Are we serious right now? This is a survival horror game and seeing a naked human getting eaten by dinosaurs only adds to that horror so I definitely think the devs should keep it in" Didn't quite strike me as you not wanting there to be an option. It came off more so "Its stupid to be asking for an option". Just how about you say what you mean instead of making it look like you had the most weird take in islecord.

[undone oracle]

@minor elk Bodies sink but then rise over time, allowing said consumption from the water surface

[minor elk]

Body despawned before it floated

[undone oracle]

Yikes, that sucks

[proud coral]

Deino already regains O2 faster if it scents/rests. At least from my testing.

[unborn monolith]

@echo panther yes I think the days and nights are a lot longer now

[crimson aurora]

Love this new Blind Dino Simulator

[zealous blade]

How do you get all black raptors

what

[proven river]

All black, I mean just make dark colours or if you mean the fully melanistic ones I think that's a bug

[worn knoll]

at least now we can no longer see it when we die

[topaz pendant]

For the people not know what I’m talking about the skin channels I mean a channel for stego skins and one for Utah skins so u don’t have to look through tons of other dino skins to find the one u want

[stable rain]

?

why

[crisp hamlet]

@median latch Yeah, so far I have literally never seen another carno when im dying of hunger, but another carno attacked me while I was afk for a moment and I ran away after its ram and bites, and after it realized I had full stam it started hating on me for running away because it was starving. Once my health was up a bit I faught it and it died but it was just sad because in nature the point at which a specie has to cannibalize is quite serious, yet at this point in the game its practically the only way to survive

[uneven mist]

Carnos are cannibals so it’s alright and it’s good that the carno population is low rn and more are starting to cannibalize

[crisp hamlet]

Dienos are cannibals too but they arent starving to death. It doesnt matter if the carno pop is low or not even when its low carnos literally cannot find and kill enough dinos to feed themselves. Cannibalizing only adds 1 more dino to the menu of the 7 dinos already in that menu, and it can still be hard to find those, or in the case of dieno/stego, to kill them quick enough

There is no fun in playing a dino where it starves to death because you arent constantly finding people to kill

[sick cypress]

can anyone confirm or deny: In Legacy, the idle animations ie: utah scratch, allo yawn, rex shake head, someone said that animation happens when another dino is within a certain radius, making it almost more of a nervous tick than an idle thing..... I main utah, and every time someone in my group scratched, we always find another player

[limber hull]

its random

just a coincidence

[jagged jewel]

it's 100% random

[echo panther]

Thanks, glad im not the only one who noticed that XD

[unborn monolith]

yeah XD while I'm glad for longer days, these longer, more messed up nights suck

[echo panther]

i agree

[hollow vault]

@daring talon I love your idea, I generally came here for the dinosaurs, not looking at naked humans in a jungle

[keen kelp]

question
is tracking and scenting different in evrima?
im in a carno and while i can clearly see dead scents from different distances i cant seem to figure out how to track or see other dinos trails even when im right on top of one of their foot prints

[jade brook]

tracks appears without the need of scenting; i think scenting increase the radius to which they can be seen. Once you find a footprint, you can press Q (no need to hold) to highlight the tracks of that specific dino and it gives you a general direction for the next footprint....Unless it has changed recently, i haven't played much Utah or Carno recently

[flat basin]

when u guys adding vr theres a setting on the isle avrema called vr calibration is it for the humans?

[lapis swallow]

Wrong channel

[flat basin]

were then homie?

there too many channels lol witch one is this question for?

[lapis swallow]

you could ask for it when a dev is in #isle-discussion

[flat basin]

how the heck do i know when theres a dev in there

[jagged jewel]

person with red name talking

[barren zephyr]

@trim mauve rather then buffing the spawns they should just increase how much food the AI gives. that way AI is still rare and a pretty valuable find.

[trim mauve]

That could work to

[barren zephyr]

besides when im playin a dinosaur game i dont want to see a ton of modern day animals lol

[uneven mist]

i mean...it is set in modern day

[jagged jewel]

the game is set in modern day

hence the buildings

[barren zephyr]

ik that. all i said is that i dont wanna see a TON of modern day animals in a dinosaur game.

[jagged jewel]

there's only like 4 modern day animals

5 actually

half of which can't even feed a baby deino

[left nacelle]

Boars, deer, goats, rabbits, chickens, frogs, sea turtles, crabs, and all the species of fish. That's a lot more than 5 lol. I personally don't care about the modern animals tho. They're on the island either cause they were there before AE got there, or because they were used to feed the animals, so it makes sense

[hasty garden]

To be fair, the Sea Turtles,Crabs and fish could have been species that existed back then...such as a Panchelonioidea is a Sea turtle from the Creataceous period.

[cold jacinth]

I put up a suggestion about better nesting grounds as I feel they currently aren't what they could be, if you agree I would appreciate if you read it and possibly liked it :)

[lapis swallow]

@oblique jewel they are restarts, but the issue is they dont announce them

[pastel cove]

There’s only one admin I know that does server restart announcements and it’s honestly sad af

[pastel cove]

I’ll be putting a suggestion in 6 hours since I deleted my previous message on accident, but it is about nesting grounds and making them better. Tbh, food sources for herbis/carnis, drinkable water nearby, and mudpools would make it more competitive to get to use them and that would be perfect. They’re useless atm though except the 30% growth boost

[balmy drift]

#general-feedback message thats not where you should send that message i think

[uneven mist]

@naive jewel we already have it

[naive jewel]

Oooo thanks for telling me!

Looks sick

[cold jacinth]

Exactly, like they need more to them.. Nesting grounds should have little to no cons other than that they would be a hot spot for carnos, Utah's, and ptera seeking them out to look for babies to snatch.. It makes no sense that they would be so far from food and water if they are supposed to be nesting grounds.. Animals don't usually nest in big groups where there are so very little resources......If you haven't already then just like mine/@ my suggestion since they are basically similar when you post yours

[uneven mist]

@tame turret click tab and you can see it at the top right

[tame turret]

ty!

[pastel cove]

My post is gonna cover a lot of The Isle’s current problems that make the game difficult to play, but yeah nesting grounds should have a lot of accessible food/water/mud pools

[cold jacinth]

Thank god, please @ me when you post it so I can like it

[pastel cove]

Will do 👍 Will let you know in the next 6 hours

[cold jacinth]

Thanks bro

[lapis swallow]

bruh

[pastel cove]

exactly

[left nacelle]

@naive jewel They wanna save that picking up ability for something larger, like Quetz. Quetz would get more use out of it anyway since it's much larger, so it could pick up more than just juvies

[naive jewel]

Oh really?

[left nacelle]

Yep yep. That's what Punch has said anyway

[cold jacinth]

They should input a bot or something that puts in a reminder 5 to 10 minutes before restart or just do scheduled times

[lapis swallow]

unofficial do that is the funny thing

[naive jewel]

That makes a lot more sense- thank you!!

[cold jacinth]

Lmfao

[left nacelle]

Np

[cold jacinth]

Also does anyone know how many likes a suggestion needs for it to actually be seen/acted upon?

[icy lion]

Not how that works

[cold jacinth]

Ahh alr

So it's just chance then?

No offense but if it's only through chance then why bother having a 5 hour time limit on suggestions.. Just genuinely curious, not trying to be rude

[pastel cove]

i don’t really think devs check through suggestions

[cold jacinth]

That's rather depressing

[uneven mist]

They do…sometimes

[pastel cove]

I’d imagine rarely

[left nacelle]

@ivory summit Then ptera would have to land even less than it already does

Plus that's an idea that the devs already shot down

[cold jacinth]

They should have someone who actually checks them along with a thin about it needing a certain amount of agreements

Thing*

[left nacelle]

@barren zephyr 2/3 of the next animals being added are carnivores. And the third one is an omnivore so... kind of a carni too? but not really?

[jagged jewel]

personally i hate this

quetz should hunt on foot and kill animals there

it should have one NASTY bite

around 225 if we use the same bite to body ratio as ptera

[left nacelle]

I don't think they specifically said Quetz, Punch just said "larger flyers" iirc, and Quetz is the only other flyer we know of

[cold jacinth]

I agree with blue ngl

[jagged jewel]

maybe things like tupa are being added?

[left nacelle]

Plus, giving it the ability to pick things up doesn't mean it'll rely on that

[jagged jewel]

it'd be interesting, as it's also an omnivore

and it's also somewhat connected with PCE, which we know is in the same universe as this game

i personally prefer the idea of a blunt force tupa that can grab smalls with its beak

[left nacelle]

Tupa's even smaller than ptera tho so I think something like hatzeg would work better

[jagged jewel]

you're confusing it with tapejara

[left nacelle]

Well I googled Tupandactylus

Yeah that's smaller than ptera

[jagged jewel]

it was built in a bulkier way + larger crest

• blunter beak

[jagged jewel]

shorter =/= smaller

also iirc there's a recent specimen that's huge

[left nacelle]

But it's still too small to pick up things is my point

[jagged jewel]

i mean so is quetz? its neck isnt exactly built for it

hatzeg would be cool for it

or potentially a small azhdarchid?

[left nacelle]

But ptera isn't built to take off like an albatross, yet it still does in game so

[jagged jewel]

to be fair that takeoff is useless

grabbing something is not

[left nacelle]

I'm not saying quetz should pick up huge things tho. I'd say anything the size of utah is too big

Utah and larger

[jagged jewel]

what's the biggest thing you can see it grab

[left nacelle]

Lemme think

Just off the top of my head, probably austro?

[jagged jewel]

austro is more than half the size of quetz

its 320 kg

[left nacelle]

In legacy? or irl? Cause in Evrima it's gonna be a lot thinner so it'll likely be lighter than it was

Plus weight is kind of a balancing thing so it's a little hard to guess how heavy austro and quetz will be

[jagged jewel]

in evrima

[jagged jewel]

quetz, based on new estimates and game balance, would be around 500 kg

[left nacelle]

That's not official btw. That's community made

[jagged jewel]

i know, but the devs never go too far from the irl sizes

[left nacelle]

Those are all speculative

[jagged jewel]

also filipe pretty much confirmed that size was about right

so we can safely say it's in the 300 kg range

[left nacelle]

Then I could see quetz picking up things no bigger than herrera

I usually think of visual size when I think of the in game sizes rather than weight, which is why I initially said austro

[jagged jewel]

that makes sense

do you think it should grab them live, almost dead, or dead

[left nacelle]

Live

[jagged jewel]

would that be balanced?

[left nacelle]

Like it should be able to pick up smaller thanimals live, but still be able to hunt down larger ones

[jagged jewel]

couldn't a quetz theoretically grab, say, a baby pachy and take it to the top of a rock?

and just bore it to death?

this mechanic seems very abuseable

[left nacelle]

Obviously carrying an animal would consume much more stam than normal so I don't think it would be able to carry something super high like that

[jagged jewel]

there's rocks that are isolated and aren't very high

[left nacelle]

Plus even if it could do that, it's not unbalanced, since it would be pretty easy for a small animal to see a quetz coming and escape

[jagged jewel]

to me giving a flyer what's basically lunge 2.0 doesn't sound too good

[uneven mist]

@rugged trellis here

[left nacelle]

But remember, it's 1000x more easy to escape as giraffe sized predator as a small animal than it is to escape and nearly invisible predator that ambushes from water

Like you just run into the jungle you're good basically

[jagged jewel]

idk bro quetz hunted on foot and could disguise itself as a tree pretty easily

quetz would be best (imo) as a land based predator, that only flies when food is scarce or when its in danger
it'd have one hell of a peck, would be able to pin small things to the ground with its beak to slowly do damage (wastes a lot of stam)
would be faster and more agile on land than ptera
could stand in WAY deeper water than most animals in the game
and has a higher threshold of what can be grabbed/swallowed and what can't be

[left nacelle]

Yeah and that strategy could work on larger targets, but smaller animals can easily hide in the underbrush

[jagged jewel]

quetz bite for larger animals would be more for defense imo

but if the animal eventually dies hey its fair game

quetz will struggle with utahs, but its beak is an amazing distancing tool

so if it uses the bite right it'll basically never get in melee range with utahs

[left nacelle]

@edgy stag It's based on irl stegosaurus

[cyan flame]

Still, maybe sometime in the future, we could get a touch up on the male plates to make them less.. well, melted versions of the female and a bit more impressive, while keeping the rounded form as it should be.

[cyan flame]

Diet matters for all playables, a stego at no nutris takes the same punishment as any other playable from what I know. Global chat is a no go, unless modded in some time in the future, because it does not fit with the style of the game. Far as I know, dinosaurs do leave prints, just no longer as much as before, so tracking is harder. Not sure what you mean with carno and stego being "too agile", since they do need to be able to act and react.

[valid zephyr]

Stego plates

Currently female has what should be the male plates, and male has these ugly melted in half plates which neither sex should have.

Watching male plates using the growth slider makes it obvious how bad it is. They literally melt away as you drag the slider.

[left storm]

@burnt prairie preach my brother!

[fathom tulip]

"TYPICAL — Today at 3:55 PM"
"swap male and female stego plates, it doesn't really make any sense why the male stego has smaller rounder plates when he is the one trying to attract females with big flashy plates and colors, the female should have the smaller round plates because shes not using them for display"

I'm curious why this got downvoted so much, did female stegosaurus have taller sharper plates IRL?

Edit: I'm blind. It was discussed right above me.

@stiff locust Agreed. Stegos shouldnt be able to climb what appears to be a 25 foot tall boulder.

[jagged jewel]

@barren zephyr why would ourano be added

[barren zephyr]

I think the pattern of it beautiful and it will be starter dinosaurs to people who start playing

[jagged jewel]

But what does it do?

[jagged jewel]

Is it fast? How strong is it?

[barren zephyr]

It can out all sorts Carnivores and how strong probably enough to fight a pack of utahs

[jagged jewel]

it’s faster than carno?

[barren zephyr]

Demand who runs first

[jagged jewel]

How

Which one is faster?

Carno or ourano?

[barren zephyr]

Ouranosaurus

[jagged jewel]

So you’re telling me ourano is faster than galli?

That seems a bit overpowered

[barren zephyr]

Ouranosaurus is Flexible it will be zig zag and have more endurance

[jagged jewel]

You just said it was fastee

So it’s faster than galli, can run for longer and is more agile than galli?

That’s overpowered

[barren zephyr]

Not agile then Galli enough to survival

[jagged jewel]

What?

Wdym

You mean ourano is less agile than galli?

[barren zephyr]

Galli is more agile that was a saying

[jagged jewel]

I see

So ourano is faster and bigger but galli is more agile

[barren zephyr]

Galli is more faster then the ourano

Ourano have more stamina then a Carno

[jagged jewel]

Then how is ourano faster than carno

How is ourano slower than galli if its faster than carno

[barren zephyr]

Am sorry for confuses you let me restart ourano is slower then Carno but ourano has more stamina then the Carno

[jagged jewel]

Ahh i get it now

And how strong is ourano

[barren zephyr]

Not strong enough on alone but in a herd they will be strong

Numbers and speed is they weapon

[jagged jewel]

And alone, what’s the biggest dinosaur that would die to an ourano?

[barren zephyr]

One Utah or two

[jagged jewel]

That’s a bit weak

[barren zephyr]

Well what carnivores you adding to phase 3

[jagged jewel]

I don’t know but ourano is bigger than carno

It’s kind of weak for something that big

[barren zephyr]

Could take a pack utahs

where is the funny?

lmao that suggestion

Hey what so funny

funny

[amber basin]

guys will be general chat ?

[uneven mist]

in evrim? no. global wont return unless it gets added as a mod

[amber basin]

oh, what about talk with near other dinos (Local) ?

[uneven mist]

thats already a thing. local is the only chat in evrima

[amber basin]

i mean i can't chat with raptor when i tenoto

[uneven mist]

No u cannot

[amber basin]

i thinks it's good to add it, for start talking before attack each other

[uneven mist]

i dont think it is, it encurages mix-packing and it becomes a chat-room isntead of a survival game

[amber basin]

you alright, I didn't think about it

[uneven mist]

its aight

[hollow vault]

@shadow chasm didn’t Deinosuchus live with dinosaurs? And aren’t pterosaurs also not Dino’s?

Man I wanna be able to do things Dino’s can’t and not have such similar body plans much like every other dinosaur

[hollow vault]

You said “only have dinosaurs.”

You imagine a dinosaur only game, yet there are non dinosaurs, such as Deinosuchus and pterosaurs, even though they existed with them

And yet you try to correct me saying only humanoids, when you clearly stated you wanted to only have a dinosaur specific survival game

Then why call them dinosaurs!

Just exemplifying your grammatical error that made me misinterpret what you meant

[balmy drift]

@potent arrow the fish also look kind of weird when jumping

[potent arrow]

yeah they look stiff

[balmy drift]

Not only that, they also look like they are jumping too high and for too long

[rocky aspen]

It looks more like they didnt actually fix the problem.

I played the game for less than a minute. Somehow my frames got worse, water looked like garbage and fish were still looking garbage. Quit immediately

[proven river]

@edgy stag irl male stegos had rounded plates while females had larger and sharper plates.

[slim halo]

The isle no doing so good rn

[rocky aspen]

I wish I could say I was surprised.

[slim halo]

Same

[proven river]

@naive jewel unless your trolling, we already have the rex concept art lmao, it came out in the dev blog

Also @rugged trellis evrima uses the same Cerato model, it was in the cerato trail cam

[naive jewel]

No? I don’t look in dev blogs, I just check out trailers and play the game.

[proven river]

Well there's a rex concept art

[naive jewel]

I’ve been told earlier

[proven river]

anyways there it is

[limber hull]

@solar iron tribals may have third person, mercs are exclusively first person only

[solar iron]

That would be enough for me

[brittle night]

@shadow chasm humans were planned from the very start of the game, so there is no way we are not getting em in the future, plus if You didn't know, unofficcials servers are gonna have an option to disable them from playing, but i don't believe humans Will ruin the game, it's gonna be an interesting perspective

[umbral jolt]

what are nesting grounds? I saw someone in general feeback, talking about nesting grounds in a way that made it sound like we don't have the ability to nest anywhere? I haven't tried nesting in evrima yet so I'm unaware what the new nesting system is like. Was it just the wording of this feedback, or can we actually not nest anywhere we like anymore?

[urban flax]

You can nest anywhere
Nesting grounds are a special area that provides buffs when you nest there

[umbral jolt]

oh ok

[valid zephyr]

Neither stego sex should have melted in half plates.

[summer forge]

@left storm About what you said in #general-feedback, the developers are definitely dismissing feedback in my experience, which is really sad because I used to love this game and I wish they wouldn't be the way they are towards their own community.

I mean I got told a while ago to "just play the finished game" by Filipe when I adressed they should prioritize fixing the bugs over bringing new content..

[left storm]

You mean in the next 10 years?

[summer forge]

yup;

if they keep going down this road, I doubt there will be much of the playerbase left in 10 years, unfortunately

[left storm]

Dondi himself is a textbook narcissist. It makes sense why all the other devs are toxic too. A boss is bias towards hiring people with the same mindset.

[lapis swallow]

@real girder why?

[real girder]

its like not smooth anymore

[lapis swallow]

Smooth?

[real girder]

Opposite to course and rough.

looks like there is a downstream current now which is retty cool

[lapis swallow]

I know, but what do mean it with smooth in the context of removing stego? Who is gonna keep the crocs in the water?

[real girder]

it have no correlation to the stego post xD

[lapis swallow]

Then why did you even say it?

And you should add why they need to be removed

[warm sluice]

I mean in my opinion this shouldn't be done. I get we all have a vision about what the game should be, but being rude about it isn't professional you know. so I agree with this point. sorry for ping

[real girder]

I cant talk about 2 different things in 2 different channels? Why are you weirdly tracking my posts?

I'm trying to say that the water isnt as aesthetically pleasing as it once was. This is a different channel than the stego post so why are you talking to me.

[lapis swallow]

Its general feedback discussion, the channel where you discouss the posts of peope in #general-feedback

Its in the fricking description of the channel

[real girder]

Well then.

I actually apologize for my ignorance.

[barren zephyr]

@crisp hamlet in what world is a utah or carno soloing a stego..

[crisp hamlet]

In the case of utah: You bait, then pounce, then once your stam gets to where you are low you drop out and sit down. At best the stego sits down or even goes in a bush so you can pounce again, or it keeps moving and you bait and repeat. Then you just bleed it out.
As carno its harder: You bait attacks, running right past its head, then twist around and get a bite in before the stego resets it attack. Eventually it will learn this and you will have to be more careful. You go in at a angle so that you come out far enough away that the tail will swing and get a tailshot or nothing. You can also ram after the bite so that you get away faster so you do not get it.

You can do it as long as you have the patients and time

Well and the skill 😂

[barren zephyr]

I mean what you’re saying is basically “just don’t get hit”. Realistically, 99% of the time the stego will either find a rock or tree making it a death sentence to pounce it, or the utah will slip up once in its 30+ minute fight and die. It’s like saying a dryo can solo a stego because yes, it technically can, but it’s realistically never going to happen

[summer kestrel]

Q: Is it just me or is the game like dark, like really dark contrast, I can't even adjust settings to make it better.

[crisp hamlet]

Well yes, pretty much. Remember this is a herbivore apex, it could solo a rex/giga in legacy. It makes sense its not easy to beat, especially for a utah, or carno, solo. Its not realistic for a utah to go kill a stego. Or a ptera to kill a stego. If the game was realistic you would have NO CHANCE whatsoever of killing a stego, even as carno considering its just a lower-stat ambush mid tier. At least a ptera(not sure on this due to dmg/healing but ig if your fast enough), utah, or carno can actually kill a stego with enough patients.

[crisp hamlet]

Yeah its bc of how bad nighttime graphics look

[barren zephyr]

Yeah it’s herbivore apex, in a game with currently no carnivore apexes, if a player know what they are doing, stego is pretty much unkillable

Majority of stego deaths I’ve seen are from suicides lol

[crisp hamlet]

Yes. Its just like nighttime, we were given pitch black nighttime before nightvision 😂 , similarly, we were given a herbi apex before a carni apex

[crisp hamlet]

Same 3:

[lapis swallow]

@barren zephyr
https://youtu.be/WUH8P6PmTWg

[barren zephyr]

lol it seems to be a running theme

[crisp hamlet]

Yes yes it does

[limber hull]

deino is an apex, but it specialises in small game ambushes, not large game combat

[summer kestrel]

What the bottom of swamp looks like.

[lapis swallow]

Many people do not understand this sadly

[crisp hamlet]

Exactly. Its not rex/giga/etc that were meant to take them on

[cold jacinth]

Okay, the issue with stego isn't that it's too "op" or that it needs nerf. The issue is that deino players who take forever to grow have to deal with stego players going pretty much into the water and killing them with tail swipe. the other is that as a deino it's impossible to kill stegos because while tail swiping you while also being able to stand practically in the middle of the water is that they have a shitty head hitbox while deino have super largw fat head hitboxes.

Like they basically are the herobrine to deinos

Doesn't help that stego are ridiculously passive aggressive and literally don't mind beating you up for the sake of you just breathed in their direction

Not to mention the CONSTANT kosing of herbis they do.

I think anyone can agree that stegos are played by angry kosers who only want to watch the world burn

I think stegos shouldn't be able to water guard because most of them do it primarily out of spite and only want to kill deino for fun

Like stand sideways if you have a kid with you

But honestly other than that you don't need your whole ass tail in the water

[limber hull]

honestly, deino getting "fished" by stego has always been bizarre to me. Deino fishing as stego has always felt like fishing with no bait. You dip the shiny hook in, and the dumb idiots take the bait and die

Like they can easily swim under, around or just tank it

But they don't, they just go in, pick a fight, and die

[cold jacinth]

Yeah that's the thing, I have seen stego bodyguard bodies for literally no reason

RIGHT AT WATER

And if you are a starving deino that only wanted some food

Now you can't because the stego decided YOU ruined it's day and YOU have to pay for your crimes

And when you are pretty much starving you are prone to do stupid things to get food

It's like they hold a grudge and now they must seek you out and destroy you at any cost

Plus why are stego even able to do this, like I get doing it to get water but 90% of the time they aren't, they are just doing it to kos your ass

Lmfao

[cyan flame]

Because they're the only ones that can kill deinos, aside from other deinos. If deinos were more vunerable to utahs and carnos, somehow, you'd see them do the same thing most likely.

[cold jacinth]

Yeah but you don't see deino running after them for the entire time theg are playing Lmfao, most of them just sit and wait at the bank to hopefully snatch something

As the devs intended

[cyan flame]

Not that it makes it any better, stegos fishing deinos is dumb. Though it many times does come down to the deinos taking the bait, for some reason. Still, a stego should just get water, and be on it's way, but well, herbis don't always want to just chill.

[cold jacinth]

Pretty much

[cyan flame]

But I don't think there's much more reason behind it than "I can kill this thing, so I'm going to", just like any player and playable really

[cold jacinth]

I feel water should be higher at areas like nw and shallows

And yeah

Pretty much but stegos seem to take that next level against deino player lmfao

[cyan flame]

But this could be helped out a bit by a rework on stego attacks, and something like double stamina cost for attacking when you're deep enough in water to be walking, for any terrestial at least.

[cold jacinth]

Yup

[cyan flame]

Eh, probably because deinos are the only thing aside from other stegos a stego can reliably "catch"

Similar to deinos hunting each other, or stegos (because the others can easier get to safer areas to drink), it's reliable targets to engage

And since everyone in this game loves to fight, here we are

[cold jacinth]

The issue is that deinos have too big of a head hitbox

So fights aren't fair

And deinos only have head attacks

They don't have like a tail swipe or a tail hit

[cyan flame]

On the other hand, stego has higher multiplier, and less health, and two deinos can handle a stego, if they play it properly

[cold jacinth]

Oh yeah def.

[cyan flame]

But yeah, stegos are not ideal targets, though it would make no difference if it was a rex or trike most likely, same issue

Deino due to it's mechanics just can't be "allowed" to fight

[cold jacinth]

But stegos can basically go aggressive carnivore on your ass

[cyan flame]

A good few of these issues can probably be ascribed to how deino works mechanically, since it limits what it can be allowed to do as a playable

[cold jacinth]

Deino need some other protection obviously..

[cyan flame]

And potentially a lack of.. well, survival instincts on the deino players

[cold jacinth]

Not to mention juvis should have logs or something to hide in as babies

Also baby stego is so op bro

Can probably take out an adult utah if it wanted lmfao

[cyan flame]

I wonder if this could be slightly "fixed" by diets by biome, that way deinos could be in rivers and lakes where better prey is, and avoid the particular rivers where stegos go, unless they are good at attacking said stegos or want to try and nab their juvies

[cold jacinth]

🤣

[cold jacinth]

Yeah tho

[cyan flame]

Eh, baby stegos are an entire issue. They're both useless and surprisingly strong, and still their gameplay is utterly atrocious

At least baby deinos can mess around on land, and escape things pretty well, including bigger deinos

[cold jacinth]

I don't think they need a nerf I just think that the whole being able to "fish for deino" shouldn't even be podsible for a creature that eats grass ffs

Like at center there are shallow parts to drink at

[cyan flame]

Yeah, fishing deinos is dumb, though I think it should come down to just better rivers, so the stegos can't reach em as easily. Also would add some swim time to crossing

[cold jacinth]

You don't need to full on harass deino "for a drink"

[cyan flame]

Make shallower crossing parts more valuable, and give deinos more time to use their swimming lunge on things that are crossing

[cold jacinth]

Yeah really.

[cyan flame]

But we're getting new map I think, so there's hope for that

[cold jacinth]

Ofc these things prob. Wont be fixed because no one looks at suggestions :)

[cyan flame]

And yeah, stegos should be chill, at least to me they're one of the less aggro apex herbis, together with anky. And then you got trike, who everyone would expect to kill you for just being there.

But then I play stego because I like it, and not due to sheer power. Much as I currently wish stego got a rework because it's a rather terrible playable in my opinion, as is deino. Stats are all good, but those alone do not make for a fun or well designed playable.

[cold jacinth]

Yeah but I have played deino and had 2 stegos at nw sitting on both sides of the river fishing for deino for no reason

Like we weren't even aggro

We 2 called them and they 3 called

After they killed an entire utah fam and all we wanted to do was eat the bodies

Deino are really good clean up crew for the game honestly

And should have just as much respect as stego get

If not more because stegos cause more deaths than deino do

[cyan flame]

True that. I can't speak for those, I would probably just have been on my way, but yeah. Most players do enjoy fighting more than just surviving so.

[cold jacinth]

Honestly

Like I play teno mostly and even I can say that stegos are jerks

Like stego as a playable isn't the issue

It's the people playing it..

[crisp hamlet]

@barren zephyr I like your idea except for the part about stego.
1 - Dienos werent meant to kill apex herbis, they were meant to prey on all forms of midtiers and lowtiers from ambush in the water
2 - Ive seen 2 good dienos kill a stego. And again, it wasnt meant to prey on apexs.

[faint folio]

Yeah exactly. Just the other day one of my friends was playing baby deino with me as an adult deino. We crossed the narrow strip from the main swamp/dam water to the pond east of Delta island. Halfway across the road, 2 adult stegos come out of the trees and see me. No worries-- I am full and besides not dumb enough to try to kill an adult stego on land, much less 2. I keep walking. But they start galloping towards me. I burn stam to get to the deep water before they get to me. I make it, but then they decide to guard the pond for an hour, tails in the water. Halfway through they cornered my baby in the narrowest section of water and took turns blocking me from helping with their tails while they tried to spear my baby to death. Then when that didn't work they took turns swimming to him and biting

I don't even want to have deino capable of killing stegos especially on land. I just don't want stegos to be able to mercilessly harass and hunt deinos who were frankly minding their own business and not even trying to fight the stego

[crisp hamlet]

Hmmm would be nice if there was a way to impact stats if herbis are around carnis too long(would prevent mixdieting too), but that could be abused by carnis hunting herbis and just destroying their stats by camping them