general-feedback-discussion

[proven river]

@grand folio regarding the pachyrhinosaurus model I'm pretty sure the devs already have one

[uneven mist]

@molten turtle If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Open File Explorer.
3. Click the address bar at the top.
4. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
5. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
6. Open the "Saved" folder.
7. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
8. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[uneven mist]

Old one yea

[grand folio]

Is not up to date iirc

[proven river]

isn't it? oh ok yeah I'd love one of these for the pachy

[uneven mist]

@glass lagoon if they were to do so then they should also reduce its weight to 2-4 tons instead of 8, deino is able to literally one-shot most of the roster with no counterplay

[limber hull]

• 8 ton gator
• completely safe from most predators at a young age due to water
• more land stam and speed than adults to avoid cannibals
• more oxygen to allow it to remain hidden on the river floor and allow adults to pass over without notice
• better vision in the water at a young age compared to older deinos
• too hard to grow???

deino has to be one of the easiest animals to grow imho

despite being an apex

and that can probably be attributed to our lacking aquatic variety that means deino don't fear shit

[glass lagoon]

i gess i dont it just abite emotional draing spending that long gorwing to y murdard you know not im not haveing a go you guys do grate work and i think this is there beast dino game out there sorry if you file like i was attacking you guys or somthing

[lapis swallow]

huh? what did you mean to tell us?

[arctic nest]

@mystic falcon agreed,i was 1 v 2ing carnos as a teno and the fps was 8 lmao

[mystic falcon]

right!? All I do is play solo and pvp, but sometimes it just isn't fucking worth it with the rubber banding and bullshit. I know most Timmies who play this probably don't care that they have 5 fps, because they just sit at a hotspot and roleplay, but that's not how this game was designed to be played. 😛

[arctic nest]

lol yeah cant forget that time when an utah was atacking my childeren and my kick didnt register ^^

[mystic falcon]

the more bodies in the area, the worse it gets too. I've noticed blood seems to be really affecting fps in this patch. The moment people start bleeding, the fps just disappears.

[arctic nest]

yeah wish there was a no blood/gore mode in the settings

[mystic falcon]

might fix some issues. I think A LOT of issues this game has had seems to stem from weird 'too many entities' kinda shit. Like, before fps drops were from the scent mechanic. So they changed that. So, sadly, tracking sucks now, but it lags the game less. Now it's blood. I imagine each individual blood pool must be causing some kind of issue? idk. I ain't no dev. But there are a lot of 'things' going on in the background of this game, and it's probably too much for the engine to handle at times lol

[glass lagoon]

i dont mean any thing im was just saying it can by tireing to grown just then to by killd then i side this is still there beast dino game and i dident mean any offencis ps rip my spelling

[dire ridge]

The only thing deino need is a better environnement

[burnt bone]

I can agree packs of cannibal deinos can be annoying, but they are generally rare and hard to sustain, unless they kill other deinos or stegos. But they are cannibals and are rewarded for it, essentially a form of population control so water isn’t full of deinos. So I would generally recommend staying away from areas with a lot of crocs, or to not play croc.

Giving it a shorter grow time would just make more and larger hordes of cannibal crocs. It would also mean a 8 ton gator that 1-shots over half the roster takes almost half as long to grow as a 6ton stego.

The most I would do is to give it a better environment so it can escape other adult crocs, or give it a way to detect large groups of crocs.

[lyric eagle]

Am I the only one who finds deino gameplay right now extremely boring? I feel like no one ever drinks from rivers anymore, too many safe spots around all rivers. Think safe spots should be removed. I'm tired of hunting deinos as a deino.

[barren crater]

I'm happy there are safe spots. Not everyone plays deino Also food is abundant for deinos so you'll be fine 🤔

[cobalt quest]

they got rid of a bunch of safe spots and most of the other 'safe spots' aren't safe if you're clever

any that use rocks you can clip through atm and grab people on the other side anyway LOL

[arctic nest]

@west drum probably nothing considering its the isle

[dire ridge]

Abundant is not the right word imo, its just that you're sure to find fish if you stay on the move. But its clearly not "Abundant"

[barren crater]

Fair.

However safe spots are still fine. Not every part of the map needs to be territory for a deino to attack you.

[dire ridge]

Fair, i just hate how the river are tiny and not deep enough. The deino is not some average crocodile/alligator from our era, dev need to do something about that

• the river bed are still barren asf

[barren crater]

They said they'll add a drought system

and flood

[dire ridge]

Yeah i know about that

[barren crater]

But they definitely need to rework the map in general, not just rivers

[ruby frost]

everytime I open the isle it goes through the first startup screen then stays on a black screen. I have tried multiple times verifying the integrity of the files same with reinstalling aswell as my drivers being fully up to date I am not sure on how to fix please respond

if anyone would know a fix or solution please reply to the mesage or dm me

[dire ridge]

Well as deino, getting force to suddenly walk in 50 cm of water because for SOME REASON the river bed make a huge bump in the middle of the river clearly hurt deino overall experience

But I agree, its all the map that need a rework

@jagged jewel 4-5h is not long enough ? x)
In the current state your change will ONLY decreased the number of people wanting to play deino, that's all. (Its already something tho)

[jagged jewel]

That’s the point lmao

Population control

that’s literally the main objective of the change

i even said it in the suggestion

“would make deino hordes appear less and less”

• it would make growth less boring because subadult stage lasts longer and you need to worry more about bigger deinos

and it means that if you DO reach adult, you earned it

[livid hornet]

@radiant shoal I know this is late, but the only bad fall there is is a ravine stretching front center spawn (ish) all the way to NE. U can just avoid travel from Center to NE and go around through center spawn or run east and avoid it

I might be wrong but I think its also surrounded by large bushes with white flowers, whenever I see a lot of them up in NE i get cautious but just a theory off of what I remember

[drifting steeple]

I mean full grown deino is the strongest carnivore in the game, and it has the easiest playstyle, so you should have to at least take some time in raising it tbh

[jagged jewel]

^

it isn’t even hard to grow one, which is another reason why i suggested this

[visual dust]

Yeah most of deino growing is just
Find fish
Eat fish
Sit in corner till hungry again
Repeat

[jagged jewel]

@devout sun pretty sure those are from U4’s release

the map is way more well spread now

[devout sun]

They're from way back when. Just wanted to show how much empty space and how unvisited everything is when there's no water around

Like the devs could look at the heatmap to see where stuff should be placed based on where people don't go

[visual dust]

Isolated water sources suck for deinos though

Why drink from a river when have inland pond

[jagged jewel]

but that’s changed lmao

you find way more people in swamps, or in the fields, or in south

you find them in more random spots, which is good

[devout sun]

not from what I've experienced, most of the map is dead for me

even places like swamp or south waterfall where people used to be plentiful it's just always dead

only place that isn't dead is above the central east-west river plains in center and up at northwest near the waterfalls

every once in a while someone pops up somewhere else maybe a solo carnivore looking for AI but that's it

the point is to show there are places on the map that there is nothing and that nobody goes that should be filled with something

[onyx stump]

@devout sun do you even play the game?

[visual dust]

People are much more spread out from what I’ve seen

There’s much less “hot spots” than 4.5

[devout sun]

nope just making suggestions blindly

[onyx stump]

On the EVIMA branch? @devout sun

[visual dust]

Though people do tend more towards center because… it’s the center

[visual dust]

Not the way to win an argument dawg

[onyx stump]

Okay so you don't have any idea what you are talking about

[visual dust]

Gotta be respectful

[devout sun]

wild

[visual dust]

They were obviously being ironic lmao

[devout sun]

of course I play the game why would I be confident in my own experience if I didn't have the experience lmao

I am stating what I have found throughout my hours of play in the most recent update

[jagged jewel]

the fact that ecounters are rarer literally means that people are more spread out

[devout sun]

I apologize if my experience was "wrong" somehow lol

[onyx stump]

Because with the new diet system people are traveling across the may like all the time

[visual dust]

Just yesterday my Teno herd was by old oasis and got attacked by a full pack of utahs… then a carno came and surprised us

[drifting steeple]

I like dat

[visual dust]

Isn’t diet system like… a year old

[devout sun]

huh

[barren zephyr]

herbis imo feel a lot more spread out

[devout sun]

I visit down there often it's empty

[jagged jewel]

yeah but it’s not all in the same place of the map lmfao

[devout sun]

one time a ptera was sitting on a crate in the mud pool that was it

[barren zephyr]

carnis not so much

[jagged jewel]

again, that means exactly that people are more spread out

i’ve personally never had issues looking for people

[devout sun]

that's the thing, I visit everywhere, only 2 areas aren't empty

[onyx stump]

and literally water is everywhere on this map, from north to south, from east to west

[visual dust]

Tbh it’s best not to play on official for the best experience

[jagged jewel]

what servers did you play on

[onyx stump]

like if you add more water, you're just making it way to easy

[devout sun]

pretty exclusively official

[jagged jewel]

that explains it

for the better experience i reccomend unofficials

[visual dust]

You should try out islanders semi-realism server, I have a lot of fun on there

[jagged jewel]

i play on Die insel, teutonic, scaleworx and islander’s server

never had trouble in those

[devout sun]

I'm not a sucker for rules, gets in the way of just messing about

[jagged jewel]

half of the ones i mentioned have no rules

i hate rules too lmao

[devout sun]

I have never played any of them mb

[drifting steeple]

I prefer officials tbhh

When I can get in

[jagged jewel]

all good

[jagged jewel]

objectively wrong opinion

[drifting steeple]

Lmfaooo

[devout sun]

as if somehow anything has ever been in danger of dying of thirst for the entirety of the game's lifecycle other than deino

[visual dust]

Official is just running a slot machine until you eventually get in just to run around in center for an hour

[devout sun]

honestly true

just to see exactly nobody anywhere but juvies in center of adults in northwest

taking a trip anywhere else is asking to starve to death

[drifting steeple]

Imo officials are no different from unofficial asside from being hard to get in

I've tried both never had a different experience

Ibis isle was fun tho tbh

[devout sun]

Officials I feel should be what is primarily considered when talking about game balance.

[visual dust]

Fair

Tbh spiro is just a pretty bad map

It’s like

90% the same generic plains and jungle

[devout sun]

if they just straight up imported V3 I might actually be glad

even if the foliage and lighting looks like ass compared to evrima at it's best

[devout sun]

hence my suggestion to add more places and reasons for people to go there

water is the easiest way to get people to go places

and lack of water is the easiest way to stop them from going there

[onyx stump]

Eww V3

[visual dust]

Isolated water sources suck tho

Fucks over deino so hard

[devout sun]

that's the problem I can't think of a solution for

deinos screw up map design a bunch because little streams or rivers or small ponds are capable of fucking up balance

[onyx stump]

what are you talking about

[visual dust]

Tbh I think the diets are a little bad right now because everything is in 1 of 4 places

[drifting steeple]

Diets are fine imo

[onyx stump]

why do you think rivers are bad map design?

[devout sun]

read the message again

[visual dust]

I mean we have some small streams but they’re far enough from everything that no one goes there

[devout sun]

that distance between "everything" and these streams is the issue

[onyx stump]

point it out in your page long convo

[devout sun]

making that distance too small invalidates many deino

[visual dust]

Everything is either
Coast
Nw plains
Central
Se swamp

So herbis only have to go to like 4 places

[devout sun]

"little streams or rivers or small ponds are capable of fucking up balance"

[drifting steeple]

And that covers the entire map tho

[visual dust]

Southwest??? Northeast???

West coast???

[onyx stump]

how do you think they fuck up balance?

[visual dust]

No reason to ever go to west coast rn because no water

[jagged jewel]

southwest is coastal

north east is also coast

[visual dust]

Northeast plains are barren though

Nesting ground pretty useless

[devout sun]

who the hell gonna drink from the deep murky river if there's a clear little stream a minute run away

what the deinos gonna eat

[drifting steeple]

I'm not saying all around, I'm saying that you go from one side of the map to the other to get your nutrients, you want them to go all around the map? Certain species have certain routes and patterns based on diet, I go ne coast all the time for coconuts as a pachy

[jagged jewel]

just add more semiaquatics that live in shallow water lol

[jagged jewel]

if they’re empty that means they’re even more useful

[devout sun]

let's just say I'm not talking 3 years from now

[visual dust]

No I’m saying that different species should go to different places

[drifting steeple]

That's how it works currently g

[onyx stump]

They seem to be eating just fine right now in game

[visual dust]

Teno and stego literally take the same route

[onyx stump]

what are you talking about?!

[jagged jewel]

you’re using the hypothetical of adding new water sources but not new playables??? That seems hypocritical

[drifting steeple]

And? All herbis dont all take the same route, some just have similar or identical routes, that's how the animal kingdom works

[visual dust]

2 of pachys diet is in the same place

[jagged jewel]

because thats its main biome lol

[visual dust]

2 of dryos diet is in the same place

[drifting steeple]

It's the center of the map, and their last diet is all the way on the coastline

[jagged jewel]

no, 2 diets are on coastal now

[devout sun]

Hypocritical is the wrong word and I mean that map changes are possible at any time. The addition of semi-aquatics is very clearly not going to happen until likely around when the game switches from mechanic to roster development.

[drifting steeple]

Oh oranges huh?

[visual dust]

And the places where they are is so broad there’s no guarantee a carni can go to a certain place and find a specific herbi

[jagged jewel]

if they’re adding new types of water sources they’re 100% adding a fitting animal for it

they said it themselves

[drifting steeple]

As an herbivore player, I actually like coming across other herd while travelling across the map for my diet, I don't see a lack of travel to get nutrients, i think it's a healthy balance so I'm not just chasing nutrients 100% of my gameplay

[devout sun]

Interesting, I believe you. Wasn't aware of that.

[jagged jewel]

atleast they mentioned it with beipi, so i imagine the others are similar

[visual dust]

Yeah you can get them up to 300% so you still have plenty of rest time

[jagged jewel]

they should just let jace make a new map from scratch

[visual dust]

I just want them to be in more varied and specific places

[jagged jewel]

it’ll take long but it’ll be VERY worth it

[drifting steeple]

You can get nutrients up to 300%?

[devout sun]

actually facts

[visual dust]

True lmao

[visual dust]

Yes

[devout sun]

you can tell exactly what parts of the map jace has graced just by looking lol

[drifting steeple]

I gotta try that, sounds useful

[jagged jewel]

jace’s map would be ready for pretty much all future updates given he has the time needed

[devout sun]

that one beach with the crates on the shore I forgot where
south waterfall

[visual dust]

West coast my beloved

[devout sun]

west coast that's where

[visual dust]

The… west… coast

Lol it’s the rocky coastal area

[devout sun]

too bad nobody has a reason to go there

[jagged jewel]

south west

i go there to grow utah and carno

[devout sun]

tf do you eat

[jagged jewel]

and pachy has 2 diets pretty much there

[visual dust]

Yeah there’s no water sources at west coast tragically

[jagged jewel]

turtles

[jagged jewel]

there is one though

[devout sun]

there's a little pool somewhere there if I remember

[visual dust]

Where

[jagged jewel]

there could be more tbf

[devout sun]

I can't picture it but I remember it being there

It's just one I explored the area in spectator

[jagged jewel]

in the big arch right after the containers

[visual dust]

I think they removed it at some point

[jagged jewel]

nope

[visual dust]

Or replaced with salt water

[devout sun]

still there afaik

[jagged jewel]

still there

[devout sun]

not a terrible idea

[visual dust]

I’ve scoured it pretty thourougly and haven’t seen anything

[jagged jewel]

just really small

[visual dust]

Is there a screenshot?

[jagged jewel]

i’m on my phone rn but pretty sure there is

[devout sun]

let's see if admin got glitched again

if not I'm launching the isle to find it

[devout sun]

oh there you can see it

[jagged jewel]

you can see the puddle

[visual dust]

Oh ok

I’ll look for it next time I’m there

@cinder fossil I think splitting a potential tutorial into many levels so players can learn what they need for the moment would be good

There’s a lot of mechanics in evrima and it might be difficult to learn all at once

[devout sun]

can confirm puddle is still drinkable

[visual dust]

Maybe have one for each playable so they can learn the basics of the class, plus one for mating, diet system, etc

[cinder fossil]

Well, the main point of that kind of tutorial could be just lore, and base mechanics, nothing too extreme

Anything else could be taught in game as you experience it

[visual dust]

Some stuff like nesting is a lot

[devout sun]

that sounds like a great introduction to the game

like first time startup sorta thing with maybe a button to replay it somewhere in the menu

[cinder fossil]

Yes, maybe the pop ups could be interactive, so they don’t go away on their own and you have a chance to read them?

[devout sun]

but honestly for things like nesting, and every dino's special ability like pounce or ram, something similar to legacy's tutorial should be there

[cinder fossil]

Of course they should be able to be disabled in setting

[devout sun]

a little box in the top left of you're screen showing a gif with a little explanation

[cinder fossil]

Yes yes

[visual dust]

Yeah, like how am I supposed to know to hold rmb to grab something as deino

[devout sun]

yea yea

maybe a few slides for more complicated things like nesting

press the button to move to next slide/end the tutorial

they would play automatically one time when you first play as a carnivore or herbivore (food/diet tutorial gif)

or when you first play as utah it would play the pounce one

or when you first reach 80% with any animal it plays the nesting one

I think if the game doesn't go down the route of no hand holding, then this would be the best way to explain things to the players

[cinder fossil]

Part of it is probably because evrima is so young, but it’s just not new user friendly in the SLIGHTEST

[devout sun]

yeah

tutorial was not priority and probably won't be for a while

or they just might not want to add one to make it that kind of game

[cinder fossil]

At the very least I want an ingame map, that would help make it new user friendly

Because a new user will not know where the areas are that have certain diets lmao

[visual dust]

Eh, I feel like that fucks with immersion a bit

Why use scent compass when haves map

[cinder fossil]

People already use the vulnona map, I doubt adding a map will change how people act that drastically

[visual dust]

New players know the general area they spawned in from spawn screen and where their diets are from char tab

[cinder fossil]

I know I don’t play without the map

[visual dust]

Have to tab out of the game and put in coords

[cinder fossil]

Yea? And? Lmao a new player isn’t going to think that there’s just going to be no map lol.

And the playable area is going to be huge, no one can hold that amount of information about the game when they’re new

[dire ridge]

Deino growing gameplay is already centered around not getting eat by bigger deino cause elite fish and deino are not the same nutrient anymore. I don't see where making longer to reach adult at the 65% mark is a good change. Especially when most of the power (weight and bite force) comme from the last 10-5%.
The population control is already there imo @jagged jewel @drifting steeple

[cinder fossil]

I mean personally I find it kind of silly, these dinosaurs are being tracked in cannon and the coordinates are being shown to us, why not just have those shown on a map? Makes no sense to me, 90% of the player base uses the vulnona map, we’re urged to by mods and others in the community.

Just seems like a loop hole

[visual dust]

@zinc tree #phase-three-requests is for things you wanna see teased in #phase-two-archive , use #general-feedback for suggestions :)

[jagged jewel]

the thing is, it’s not hard at all to escape adult deinos, and having growth come to a halt would mean you have to be more cautious with your decisions, and would make fleeing harder, but still very possible

i dont see how making deino growth more challenging than just eating fish and hiding is a bad thing

[cinder fossil]

I don’t even play deino because it’s super boring

[jagged jewel]

do you think making growth slow down at 60% would make it more challenging?

it’d mean reaching adulthood is deserved

and would reduce deino population

[dire ridge]

Making the last 35% longer will not make growing deino more challenging, just more boring

[jagged jewel]

depends on how you play it lol

you can make anything be boring if you play it in a boring way

subadult is the best stage for deino

it’s fast, is strong and can carry pretty much everything a deino needs to carry

[visual dust]

Adult is literally just better for deino playstyle lol

[dire ridge]

Yes sub adult as the most speed but the bite force suck

In theory, the lunge and weight is all you need

[cinder fossil]

I feel like you’re trying to make the adult stage for deino like the elder stage.

[dire ridge]

But you will still primary get your food from fish and other deino

[jagged jewel]

no it doesnt, a deino at 65% has a biteforce of ~250

[jagged jewel]

yes, which makes growth harder for the smaller deinos, as intended

[cinder fossil]

Hard to get to, and only got when deserved, sure deino should be hard to grow but if it’s like that to grow adult it might be hell to get an elder,

[jagged jewel]

less fun though lol

you can literally run down juvi stegos lol

as sub i mean

[dire ridge]

Imo this change is not needed, a map rework is what deino need currently

[jagged jewel]

and a sub can lunge a carno

[jagged jewel]

everything needs a map rework

jace should make a map from scratch

thats already established

[dire ridge]

Good luck finding someone not drinking from a safe spot

[jagged jewel]

there’s only like 2 safe spots lol

and they’re in the most unpopulated zones

[dire ridge]

Anyways i agree to disagree on your idea x)
In my personnal experience i think its not needed

[jagged jewel]

well ok lol im just a deino main and im tired of not worrying about anything when growing and i just thought that reaching adulthood should be more rewarding

agree to disagree tho

[dire ridge]

Personnaly when growing deino im worrying about 2 things:
Finding fish or deino smaller than me and bigger deino

[jagged jewel]

i never worried about those things

just go to south pond, eat the millions of dinos that fall on the cliff there

[dire ridge]

And ofc all those shallow spot that force to walk and do a shit ton of noise

[jagged jewel]

and just afk the rest of your life

[jagged jewel]

wdym all those shallow spots there’s so few of them

[dire ridge]

South east river+swamp there is some

Its ok when you're juv but after that it forces you to breach surface

[jagged jewel]

the shallow spots in south east are not safe at all

you can still lunge there easily

[dire ridge]

Its not that its safe, i just hate those, they don't make sense

The river bed is doing some weird shit in that zone

[jagged jewel]

i agree

but shallow spots will be more common and less safe as more semiaquatics come

[dire ridge]

Agreed

[trail mason]

@cinder fossil there could be a nice little tutorial with a section for each mechanic in the esc menu/settings

love the idea btw

[cinder fossil]

Yea I can see that

LMAO I JUST NOTICED YOUR PFP

[trail mason]

[jagged jewel]

@glacial tulip there was an animation leak on reddit that includes troodon courting iirc

[ashen meadow]

late reply but i agree fully

the jp ripoff trend that this game started to pick up is a bit disappointing

you can go with so many creative decisions for these animals that arent supposed to be realistic but everyone choses to make them all look the same

this is likely why people want feathered utah so much

[buoyant folio]

I just want to be able to dive as a pterosaur 😭

[drifting steeple]

Or pick up small animals and drop them

I'm surprised that it's not a feature tbh

[buoyant folio]

YESS

Need it

[drifting steeple]

Doesnt feel complete without it

And pecking is so bad haha

[buoyant folio]

Big facts

[mystic acorn]

I personally really don’t like the jp rip offs. But Rex’s physical design rn in legacy I’m perfectly fine with since it isn’t a full rip off. The main issue I have tho is it’s roars.

There was no reason to make broadcast and threatening calls to be Jurassic park like. It’s broadcast was so cool and iconic to the isle and I was so sad they got rid of it.

[violet magnet]

...my feedback from yesterday was deleted for some reason?

[visual dust]

@brittle ice just be a chad and swim in the water and peck them

[icy lion]

@split sedge What do you mean?

[proven river]

yeah that's the design lol, that's what the dinosaur will look like XD

[fierce lintel]

Why get 50% of total weight the last 10% of growth??? fast food

[tribal heart]

fix the dam AI-spawns! game is just not playable as carnivore right now. The goal should be that every player should be able to stay alive at least with AI if there is no other player. If the server is full everyone should work on perfect diet.
I starved to death with my 2 last carnos. once you re below 25% food, playing this game is a nightmare.

[fierce lintel]

^^^

[spring gorge]

playing this game as any carni is a nightmare, carnos are now extremely difficult though and the ai that does spawn are turtle which give my dino no nutrition so no boosts of growth or health regen.

playing as utah is much better but now im often being chased down by herbivores.

[uneven mist]

I kinda like that carno is difficult to grow, yeah mabye it is an overkill but it’s a step in the right direction

[barren crater]

The thing with carno is. It isn't difficult to grow. Only sustain when you're full grown. Although it's more difficult to grow than 4.5. but that was easy mode.

[spring gorge]

Its not that its difficult really to grow, to keep the damn thing grown is nonsense

The one thing that kept us sustained was the boar AI and now thats reduced.

[narrow goblet]

and tracking herbivores to hunt when older is impossible unless you get lucky

[spring gorge]

I sit on beaches half the time and maybe get lucky with a player.

[narrow goblet]

but ykno, feedback gets X because tracking herbis who afk in a bush for 30 mins is apparently not fun for them

[robust kayak]

Why did you X me though ? Just wanna know what you dont agree with @narrow goblet

or is it because I put an X on yours ?

[spring gorge]

Probably mostly the parts about the herbis.

The game is very based towards herbis.

And favours them immensely

[robust kayak]

hmm idk abt that

why do you say that ?

[spring gorge]

Carnos starve, Utahs make no impact unless in groups of fucking 80 or some shit and most of them are cannibals, pteras do nothing, deinos sit in water and die of no AI

herbis sniff and get food, sit in bush and then beat up carnivores

[narrow goblet]

Well a bit of both but at the same time i agree with buffing AI spawns that needs to be fixed

The Utahs only redeeming quality rn is their pounce bleed so nerfing their key to winning fights vs things that can stunlock them and 1 shot them seems a bit unfair

Pachys can easily kill Utahs if they get a good headbut in just like Utahs can kill carnos if they get a good pounce in, it is situational and again, seems like youre a bit targeting Utahs because youre upset at them killing you maybe?

If you want to say that Utahs get knocked off when bitten if they face pounce why not make it so herbis cant buck with 2 or more Utahs pounced on them?

@robust kayak

[robust kayak]

so… pouncing the face and magically teleporting to the side is… okay ?

[spring gorge]

Where did you mention that glitch?

In your paragraph?

[narrow goblet]

no but neither is bucking off 4 Utahs and then tail slamming, killing 2 and nearly killing the others isnt either, also you didnt mention the teleporting deal

[robust kayak]

Im sorry but if buck gets you, get better. You can easily hop off as soon as your stam gets you a little uncomfortable

@zealous violet Dig the patterns, they look good

[spring gorge]

You still didnt mention that glitch before?

[narrow goblet]

and if face pounces get you, get good scrub. you can easily tail slam spam and 1-2 shot utahs or 1 shot as stego

[robust kayak]

You tail slam on FACE pounces ?

[spring gorge]

Where did he say that

[narrow goblet]

read my guy

[spring gorge]

You got some reading/typing issues

[robust kayak]

If face pounces get you…..

[spring gorge]

Wat

Cant read, cant type

[robust kayak]

So, why can a utah pounce your face and get tped to your side again ?

I am legitimately curious

[spring gorge]

Dinosaur simulation really is the game for you ✅

[narrow goblet]

so why can a teno buck off 2000lbs worth of carnivores tearing into its sides again?

[robust kayak]

[narrow goblet]

this convo goes both ways buddy

[robust kayak]

Ok, you want to remove buck ?

Propose a solution, an alternative to buck maybe ?

[narrow goblet]

did i say that? no. my feedback is if there were multiple utahs pounced, no bucking because you lit have so much extra weight

[robust kayak]

Oh I see

[narrow goblet]

yeah

[robust kayak]

So if many utahs are pouncing, just stand there

And bleed to death 👍

[narrow goblet]

i mean if you wanna run, THATS how you bleed out, idk if youve died to bleed before

but standing still IS the way to go

[robust kayak]

And they can just all spam pounce you and you wouldnt even be able to buck ?

[narrow goblet]

if there is one and you buck before another pounces you get the buck my guy, they have to time pounce, you have to time buck

[frozen heron]

Game balance over realism. No one wants to be stuck being unable to do anything

[robust kayak]

And what if they pounce at the same time ?

You are making utah packs invincible dude

[narrow goblet]

like me looking for herbivores because ai doesnt spawn and getting one shot after spending 4hrs playing lol. it IS balance, just not what herbivore geared players want

[robust kayak]

So, if a utah pack pounces you all you can do is stand there ? Not even bucking ? That’s balance ? What the fuck dude

[narrow goblet]

im really not, im making it an incentive to coordinate, you are getting a bit too heated my guy, im proposing different ideas that are just as right to me as your ideas are to you

[robust kayak]

wrong reply ?

[narrow goblet]

im sure youre smart enough to know what im replying to

[spring gorge]

i doubt it

[narrow goblet]

im just holding multiple convos

[robust kayak]

Ok, but your whole point is…. if many utahs are pouncing you at the same time you can’t buck, am I right ?

[spring gorge]

the isle discord is like talking to brick walls

[robust kayak]

Ok chip

If you think his point is valid I honestly feel sorry for you

[spring gorge]

Youre making shit up that he wasnt mentioning.

[narrow goblet]

if they are already pounced on you then yes, no buck. most herbivores are in packs of 3-8 anyways so im sure you all can manage a couple raptors

[spring gorge]

You even mentioned something you didnt mention

[spring gorge]

that doesnt mean 'take buck out'

[robust kayak]

thats ridiculous

[spring gorge]

are you ok

[narrow goblet]

to you yes, to me no

[barren crater]

That's... terrible.

[spring gorge]

its 3-4am a bad time for you people

[robust kayak]

Thats what we’re arguing about

[robust kayak]

12 here bud

[spring gorge]

fuckers dont read, yikes

[barren crater]

?

[robust kayak]

So…. if 3 utahs pounce you, all you can do is stand there hoplessly. Balance at its finest, what the hell man ?

[narrow goblet]

not really an argument, just a difference of opinion, i aint super pissed abt other people thinking differently

[robust kayak]

neither am I. But chip here calling me dumb and a fucker and for what ?

Because I think not being able to buck if 3 utahs on you is ridiculous ?

[barren crater]

That would be overkill. Literally only promotes mobbing.

[robust kayak]

Exactly. Would make utah packs invincible

[spring gorge]

said multiple times, you arent reading

[narrow goblet]

you cant make things that are easily stunlocked and one shot as a common occurrence invincible

[frozen heron]

You quite literally can. All they have to do is avoid attacks

[barren crater]

Utahs are great at baiting attacks + avoiding the 1 one shots / stuns

[narrow goblet]

man if only people knew that shoot why havent i just tried doing that to be invincible

they are great until they are dead in one hit

[barren crater]

Invincible is the wrong term they used. However, what you suggested is OP.

[narrow goblet]

as OP as stegos one shotting most things?

[robust kayak]

stego is 6T. Utah is 450 KGs.

Obviously it’s going to one shot it with its 1 meter spikes ?

+I’m just saying, if a utah pack pounces you and you cant buck ? That’s an insta bleed out.

Even for a stego

Actually no not for a stego, but for most other dinos

[spring gorge]

stego is 6t, its attacks shouldnt be as fast

[robust kayak]

They aren’t exactly that fast

[urban flax]

Not quite
It's staring at your screen for 15 seconds without being able to do anything, knowing very well that you're gonna die
So it's even worse

[spring gorge]

and lets say 450kg x 5, thats over 2 tonnes

added weight

[robust kayak]

Exactly

[spring gorge]

your bucks or attacks shouldnt be as frequent

[robust kayak]

It is realistic

But balance>realism, because it’s a game

[narrow goblet]

wait wait so stegos BECAUSE THEY HAVE WEIGHT get to one shot things and that is "balance"

BUT multiple Utahs pouncing you and you being uneable to buck BECAUSE THEY HAVE WEIGHT isnt balance its "realism"? yall are delusional asf

[spring gorge]

It still isnt balanced.

One shots shouldnt happen

[robust kayak]

Well any alternatives to bucking ?

[spring gorge]

if you dont want realism, screw the spikes

[urban flax]

Stegos are apex tier and their only chance of survival against any threat is to kill them as fast as possible since they can't run or hide from anything

[barren crater]

bruh? You can avoid the stego. literally walk away. Now try to avoid utahs which can literally destroy you in packs.

[robust kayak]

So you suggest stego 2 shots utah ? With stego being slower than my grandma snd utah faster and more agile than usain bolt ?

[narrow goblet]

ooo here comes the pack

[spring gorge]

Im sure your grandma can dmg something better considering her weight compared to a stego

[robust kayak]

Weight actually helps in combat

[spring gorge]

It doesnt help speed

[robust kayak]

Which we can see through stego’s speed

[spring gorge]

I agree maybe stego shouldnt have so much bleed form utahs

from*

[narrow goblet]

so my ideo IS balance and you take back what you said earlier abt it not being about balance?

[robust kayak]

Stego is extremely slow anyway

[spring gorge]

But bucking and tail whips shouldnt be as frequent

And they can run for a long time.

[robust kayak]

Excuse me but…. what ?

[spring gorge]

You guys have every piece of luck when playing a stego.

[robust kayak]

I dont play stego tbh, boring as fuck

[barren crater]

Think it was a general statement

[narrow goblet]

you said earlier that my idea abt utahs pouncing you and their weight making you uneable to buck was about "realism" and not balance but then turn around and say stegos should one shot because of their weight is BALANCE and not realism? hypocritical to me but hey ho

[robust kayak]

Yeah balance > realism. It’s balanced that stego one shots seeing how slow it is and how unagile it is

[barren crater]

Stego needs to one shot utah for balance. If it doesn't, a utah pack would kill a stego easily without loss

[robust kayak]

+chip here said that stego shouldn’t be fast because of its weight (he used realism, so I did too)

[narrow goblet]

nah my guy that aint what was being said earlier

[robust kayak]

Thats not the point though. If we ignore realism, stego should still one shot for balance purpouses

[barren crater]

^

[narrow goblet]

no thats you cherry picking the reasoning. im sorry but Utahs making it impossible to buck because there are 3 of them ON TOP of you is just as balanced and realistic as a stego one shotting things because its got a phat ass. its the literal same ideology you are using too but for some reason you refuse to find common ground

[robust kayak]

Explain how staring at your screen while 3 utahs are chomping on you and scratching away is balanced

[urban flax]

It's realistic but hella unbalanced because then the prey has 0 chance of survival, without necessary making a mistake other than being ambushed by a group of animals smaller than itself

[narrow goblet]

explain how staring at your new dino screen after getting one shot by a 60% stego is balanced?

[low canopy]

Pounce would have to be nerfed alot to cope with such a thing so its what ever

[barren crater]

By simply not engaging with the stego

[robust kayak]

Thats honestly down to skill. What you’re suggesting is not

[narrow goblet]

like id be fine with talking abt stuff like that but ppl are refusing anything carnivore related because it jepoardizes their apex herbivore meta XD

[robust kayak]

If you’re not skilled* enough to dodge the stego’s attacks, dont walk to it.

[low canopy]

you are quite clearly biased as hell, why is this discussion even taking place

[robust kayak]

because it’s your fault. Get better.

[barren crater]

[robust kayak]

we done now I think

hopefully

nvm we’re not

[narrow goblet]

well i hope yall can be a lil open minded in the future, until then ill keep hearing yall cry abt utahs pouncing you to avoid being one shot as they starve en masse.

also no need to be a sass crass ass

[urban flax]

The problem doesn't come from the idea of utahs pouncing prey -which is fine-

[robust kayak]

All I hear is you crying stego one shots utah. I would cry if the mechanic you want to be added actually gets added, but until then, I’ll happily buck with 4 utahs on me.

[barren crater]

utahs starving?

[urban flax]

It comes from the idea that disallowing the prey to make any counterplay could be a good thing

[narrow goblet]

i mean its a known fact that this happens and its a common thing for everyone. not really crying abt it i just used it as a "balance" example really.

[robust kayak]

k

[narrow goblet]

yeah i havent even gotten to speak to ppl abt repurcussion ideas to pounce and how buck can still be used but hey ho

[robust kayak]

also, utahs can still easily hunt steg even without the insanity you’re proposing

[barren crater]

I mean? Not really against a decent stego

[narrow goblet]

go ahead my guy, bet you give up after 3 hrs of starving and then dying to a 3ft fall lol

[narrow goblet]

even in a pack im wary abt fighting a 40% steg

[barren crater]

Unless you swarm the stegos in big packs. But stego is like one of the worst creatures for a utah to hunt

[robust kayak]

I’ve had my utah on EU 4 for about a week now. Never even been close to starving

[narrow goblet]

man youre lucky as heck

[barren crater]

40% stego should be fine imo. The dismount range is good and the stego has short range to swing. A full adult is where it becomes really difficult. Almost impossible if they're good

Also the utah starving thing can hopefully be fixed whenever AI is fixed. Although you should be fine on a somewhat filled server

[robust kayak]

(which is something I mentioned in my feedback)

[narrow goblet]

yeah, i did specify "wary" not "shit scared" XD but yeah that makes sense tho

[barren crater]

Yeah. Anyways, stego was just a disaster pick. Any of the nerf ideas just makes it a pain to play. I'd rather they remove stego or replace it eventually. Although I'm assuming whenever update 6 happens, utahs won't need to actually hunt stegos for their diets? Since carni diets will be completely changed.

[robust kayak]

maybe

[narrow goblet]

id say do a complete overhaul of ALL dinos stats and how they are distributed to make things both realistic and fair

but thats asking a lot seeing as how we cant even get decent lighting and night vision, as well as a LOT of people pushing to keep herbis in the Apex role

[barren crater]

Fair, would love to see what they do though - but I doubt we get a good ecosystem for a long time

[narrow goblet]

Here is to hoping 😅

[crisp topaz]

I watched pesky solo 3 stegos and a pachy killing the pachy and 2 of the smaller stegos while a big one was defending them. If you're mad about Utah vs stego match-up it's a skill issue.

[crisp topaz]

Reworking all of dino stats would be to completely rework their weight/health pools as well as bite damage, speed, and turn radius. All of it feels pretty realistic. What more could you do?

[mystic falcon]

I like that your average stego player now shits their pants in terror at the sight of a utah pack. As it should be. The only thing they need to do is rework utah pounce a bit so the recovery time is a little more punishing, because as it stands, I see way too many crap utahs missing pounces and never getting punished for it.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling they'll just break pounce again and utah will once again be mediocre, and every lil' timmy who wants the EZ as fuck dino will go back to carno or whatever other dino they were complaining about prior to utah pounce being reworked. ;P

[drifting steeple]

Only people who want stego nerfed are carnivores that arent patient enough to kill em, and deinos

Ion play steg but I never had a problem with one as any carnivore

[barren zephyr]

I don’t see how patience helps kill stegos

[lucid mauve]

Cus it takes time/patience/skill to kill stegos, utahs player want to group up and run around slaughtering stuff with ease. But you cant do that to stego, its hard to kill as it should.

[arctic nest]

yeah being the slowest thing in the game rn it should be hard to kill maybe fix that deino v stego tho lmao

[barren zephyr]

stegos can put themselves in positions where it is pretty much impossible to kill them tho

unless you have a huge amount of adult utahs

and are willing to lose half of them

[arctic nest]

i mean thats situational,any armored dino can do that

i can just get on a narrow place as teno and stunlock any amount of carnos that try to get me,thats more on the terrible map design lmao

[barren zephyr]

yeah true

it just feels incredibly difficult to hunt herbis right now

if they have a brain they either wont die or you’ll have burned through more food than they’re worth

[regal monolith]

This a dumb take that goes against the games design

and will never be added, you have to compromise.

In the isle it’s basically realism vs balance in a…. I want to say 40/60 match

The games aiming to be immersive, as in you can look at the world and think it’s believable

[limber hull]

is this guy seriously saying that one shots as a whole should never happen

[regal monolith]

yeah

[limber hull]

so troodon v rex = rex 2 shots lmao

[regal monolith]

you know how utah mains get when they die lol

[limber hull]

true

heard someone who said utah in particular should get a nice little buff where they, if on full health, ALWAYS SURVIVE A STEGO SWING, REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT HITS LMAO

on 1 HP, but still

[worthy plover]

yeah that's ridiculous lol

[amber basin]

guys i butt every palm in the isle and didn't get coconut as Pachy

[regal monolith]

and people wonder why the devs don’t take our feedback on balance lol

[limber hull]

im sometimes so glad they dont

[regal monolith]

you need to be like sub adult to get cocos

[amber basin]

oh ok

[mystic falcon]

gotta be bait

[regal monolith]

[limber hull]

i tried arguing with him

it was not bait

he gave me several reasons as to why

and fully believed it

[regal monolith]

It’s insane to me how utah mains still complain even when utah is the most viable it’s been in like a year lol

[mystic falcon]

the concept of 'maining' a dinosaur is insane to me

[regal monolith]

wdym

[limber hull]

some people like certain playstyles, thats fine

you arent gonna get the carno experience from other dinosaurs but carno

[mystic falcon]

just, play everything, why stick to one shit dino? i want to be good at the game, so i need to play every class

even the ones i dislike

[limber hull]

i play everything too, but i do have my "main" as utah

and i will probably switch to troodon when that comes out

[mystic falcon]

ah, i evenly spread my playtime among all dinosaurs equally because I don't have any particular favorite and none of them are 'better' than others. Just different playstyles for different moods.

[regal monolith]

i main stego

[burnt bone]

personally, I mostly play pachy, but thats just because bonking things is too satisfying

[limber hull]

its dependent on the person

[regal monolith]

it’s just the most satisfying to play for me

[limber hull]

you play what best suits you

[arctic nest]

teno gang rise up

[regal monolith]

[limber hull]

i like speed, agility and stealth, so i like utah

i also like playing with mates

[arctic nest]

arent you the stego main

[limber hull]

(which utah does very well)

[regal monolith]

I do think stego needs a nerf though

Most stego players I run into are just using it to power trip

And kind of suck

they’re carried by its stats

[amber basin]

is coconut dropped from specific palm ?

[arctic nest]

i feel like nerf stegos health to 4k instead of 6 k wich would be a huge help to deinos in deino v stego and other predators dont rely on raw dmg to atack stegos anyways

[regal monolith]

So I think nerfing it’s HP so you rely more on dopamine filling predictions with your swings would be fine

[limber hull]

that sounds really awful for stego

[regal monolith]

4.5K, and deino should a nerf to match as well.

[amber basin]

@regal monolith is coconut dropped from specific palm ?

[arctic nest]

i mean litteraly stegos dont die because their health is at 0 its because they dont have any blood left,just would help deinos at taking them down

[regal monolith]

No if you smell a palm tree it can drop cocoa

[amber basin]

ok thanks

[jagged jewel]

having mains isn’t about being the better or worse dino, it’s just playing the dino with your preferred playstyle

[limber hull]

???? what

stegos do die from having 0 HP

[jagged jewel]

hmm i think i wont die after having 0 hp

[arctic nest]

yeah i mean in combat they usualy bleed out before they get to 0 hp -_-

[jagged jewel]

okay and??

[limber hull]

if you're fighting utah packs, that makes sense

against deino, far less likely to bleed out

[jagged jewel]

their blood is the same as their hp

[arctic nest]

yeah what i said was nerf stegos hp so it can be killed by deino ---___---

[barren crater]

12 carno headshots to kill a 4T stego 💀

[jagged jewel]

no

[limber hull]

dont do that

[jagged jewel]

deino shouldn’t kill adult stegos

[limber hull]

thats a really, really bad idea

[arctic nest]

why lmao

[jagged jewel]

it’s not supposed to do that

[limber hull]

and will have horrible ramifications for the ecosystem

[jagged jewel]

it will just create a fuck ton of land deinos

[arctic nest]

whats so horrible about stegos not being able to 1 v 9 deinos

[barren crater]

It can't lmao

[jagged jewel]

bro wtf do you mean 2 deinos can kill a stego

i killed a stego yesterday as sub deino because it sat down next to water

[arctic nest]

idk when i played stego they couldnt kill me lmao ig shit deinos

[jagged jewel]

yeah and deino isnt supposed to kill stego to begin with, only smaller ones

[barren crater]

^ dev stance

[mystic falcon]

2 deinos can take on an adult stego if they're good. But most people who pick deino or stego are just people who want to play the big bad apex with minimal effort. So, they typically aren't very good players

[jagged jewel]

^

[barren crater]

Swim away as well if you don't want to fight the stego 💀

[limber hull]

deinosuchus is an apex defined by its ability to kill small game. Its downfall is fighting animals its own size, its a bully that only picks on things way smaller than it. Stego presents that threat, and for good reason. Without stego outfighting it, deinosuchus is free to rule the entire game, steal every piece of food, kill every animal and basically rule the land and water.

Also it turns stego from S-Tier to essentially an F-Tier walking meatsack

[arctic nest]

fair lmao

[jagged jewel]

it only takes 6 alt bites to the head of a stego to kill it, which, if you get the right angle and the stego doesn’t expect you, isn’t very hard

[mystic falcon]

yep but most crocs dont even know how to alt bite LOL

[jagged jewel]

also stego is the easiest animal to avoid in the game

[jagged jewel]

true lmfaoo

[arctic nest]

bro i had some deino try to run on land,bite my head,than run back in the water

[jagged jewel]

• the ones who do are very trigger happy and will alt bite at anything

[mystic falcon]

^

[jagged jewel]

that’s just a dumbass

[barren crater]

land deinos lmao

[limber hull]

In U3, we actually saw land deino in action, as stego was not at all strong enough to TRULY pose a threat to the roster and deino was WAY stronger, being WAY faster on land and having infinite alt-bite stamina. A deino could, and frequently would, take long journeys inland for kills, completely incapable of being contested by any animal as they would fear its insane self-defence capability and amazing health/bleed resist

[mystic falcon]

yeah u3 deino was broken asf with infinite alt bite

[barren crater]

That was annoying. Terrible time when everyone played deino

[limber hull]

U3 was just deinos and carnos in my experience, with one utah pack usually vibing near shallows, while the carnos and deinos kept staying at the south pond

And then some poor fool picked herbivore and got flattened

I recall south pond's fucking "carno call choir" every time I got up there. Harrowing

[barren crater]

Playing teno back then

[limber hull]

playing any herbi back then was generally poor

teno wasn't even bad, it's never BEEN bad, just the carnivores were all exceptionally overtuned

[barren crater]

Oh yeah, but that didn't help when everyone played carni

What update did they kill carno stam?

[limber hull]

i dont recall

[barren crater]

Update 2 was insane from what I remember.

Like legacy levels of stamina

Might have been 3 or 3.75. (So looking at it, they nerfed the stamina for update 3, then update 3.75 again).

[magic glade]

Anyone else running into massive frame drops when they turn as a pteranodon at high speeds?

[jagged jewel]

@magic glade ptera isn't even supposed to hunt anything bigger than a hypsi

ptera doesn't need to be tankier cuz it can avoid literally any confrontation

[magic glade]

What I meant was I wish the ptera could pick up heavier dinos not that it needed more hp

[worn pumice]

U2 was amazingly scary

Carnos essentially killed stegos with ease cuz of the tail biting glitch plus utahs pounce was way overturned

[jagged jewel]

more weight = more hp

[dire ridge]

that was the case in legacy but evrima is a little bit different

[barren crater]

WHY DO YOU NEVER PING. but yeah it was funny but very sad lmao

[jagged jewel]

it’s still a thing

deino has 8K hp because it weighs 8K kilograms

this system was applied in U4

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

It's like that so babies can get where they need to and adults cant catch them

Otherwise it would be like release all over again, juvies would die too much

@full torrent the bites are muscle spasms, the may become insane isnt in yet. I believe it's supposed to be hallucinations

Which may or may not come in update 6.5 alongside troodon and other venoms

[spring gorge]

Our convo is still being spoken about when I wake up 9 hrs later

[barren zephyr]

Ok so, the fix for this is to fall. If you're a utah you can pounce to fix it, everything else needs to walk off a tiny rock or log/ledge

@jagged jewel

You need to enter the falling animation

[jagged jewel]

how do i do this if i can't jump

[barren zephyr]

Walk on top of a rock

Or run off a ledge

It sounds impossible but just any rock above 3 feet will do

[jagged jewel]

alr

[barren zephyr]

Gl

[full torrent]

I'm aware but my suggestion is only there because the muscle spasms seem random and silly, and they are a good part of it but it's super subtle.

[barren zephyr]

They're there because it makes sense a cannibal would bite randomly, the cannibal debuffs are all subtle but mixed together can make your dinos life hell

They give you negative stats, spasms, infertility, paralysis (on some), and soon hallucinations

Once the latter comes in its really gonna be bad to canni

[amber basin]

what will the Diet effect on my when i adult ?

[jagged jewel]

@drifting steeple pretty sure viking's suggestion is about the same bug we discussed before

@sharp flower @signal sandal it's about a bug that lets us see deino's silhouette

not the water ripples

[jagged jewel]

@fierce lodge how does pachy take half a minute to bleed out

specially with half a pounce

[fierce lodge]

It's pretty much half a pounce to cause a pachy to bleed out. And they bleed out super fast.

You have no chance if you are pounced to recover. Running isn't an option.

[worn pumice]

as a pachy if u get pounced full on and you use buck you will be left with 25-30% blood if u do not move and stay defensive

[fierce lodge]

I've tried standing still before. Unless I was bugged I still bled out.

[worn pumice]

probably bugged out

you can test it if u want

if u get pounced, buck it off you should be left around 25%

[jagged jewel]

@dire rover dimorphodon isnt in the game

and it isnt planned

@barren zephyr viking's suggestion refers to a bug that allows you to see the deino's silhouette underwater

bruh lmao

okay lmao but it isn't a reason to not want a bug fixed

the last time i died to a deino was like a week ago

they're way rarer as full adults because of more cannibalism

what

what will happen to deino in U9

also i don't even care if you hate deino or not it's still a bug lol

[icy lion]

All of them are in grab range

[jagged jewel]

and???

[icy lion]

What?

[jagged jewel]

no she didn't lmao

deino will be changed as the roster expands, but not in a bad way

@thin smelt every animal’s lmb will be a bite

[thin smelt]

Ik but I feel like a anky bite is actually useless and a ram is cooler just my opinion you don’t have to agree

[jagged jewel]

idk man an anky bite is probably very strong

a ram would be better off as an alt attack

[thin smelt]

Maybe but I’m biased cuz anky is my fav Dino and I hope anky is not weak af

[jagged jewel]

How does anky having a bite make it weak?

[thin smelt]

I’m just saying I hope anky isn’t weak overall

Ok but real question is what will be faster dieno on land or anky?

[jagged jewel]

probably anky

though not by much

[arctic nest]

@pallid stag juvies have a lot of stam so they can actualy travel for their diets at a small age,because they are slow as fuck to start with,also if you make adults stam as good as the juvies stam that would just lead to juvies being shit lmao

[pallid stag]

i didn't say juvies need worse stam, i think adults stam should be buffed]

[vestal cloak]

We don’t need more stam, we got tons of stam as adults already. Juvies need the stam and it makes sense for them to have more stam as they’re smaller and lighter

[arctic nest]

i mean yeah,again if you made adults stam as good as juvies juvies would just have 0 hopes of escaping any encounter,also i said ''juvies have a lot of stam so they can actualy travel for their diets at a small age,because they are slow as fuck to start with'' to give a reason for the juvies high stam,them being slow,adults arent so adults dont need it

[pallid stag]

Well, i disagree with your point of view, but it's fine :3
I really feel like adult's stamina pool is a bit ridiculous, but it's ok if other people don't agree with that

[jagged jewel]

Sure but it would make juvie gameplay even worse because it guarantees death to them if they get caught

Because adults are faster than juvies, so making them have as much stam would just make them be able to do everything

[proud coral]

I like the idea of juvies having regular stamina but very very good regeneration

[jagged jewel]

Imagine an adult carno with the same stamina as a fresh spawn one

It would be hell

Just seeing an adult carno charging for a whole ass minute or more

[proud coral]

[jagged jewel]

yeah

[drifting steeple]

@fallow cloud you can zoom out g

Use your mouse wheel

[fallow cloud]

I'm aware of how to scroll in and out but there's very little zooming in and out, fully zoomed out you can't see the end of the dino's tail without turning you camera sideways.

[hoary vine]

i just played as ptera and i couldnt catch fish i havent played in a few months did something change?

[green merlin]

Okay thank goodness I'm not the only one complaining about whatever happened to the grass render distance when you're in any type of plains. I was literally just saying this.
So confused as to why that's changed.

[limber hull]

@regal monolith why do you disagree with bugfixes lmao

[vital quarry]

@coarse stump I love your suggestion, and I’ve suggested something similar in the past about add different sitting positions that you can cycle through. I think it would be a great addition in the Quality of Life update

[coarse stump]

For sure for sure, would really be a good help in making yourself even more immersed in the world

[zealous violet]

Agreed. We need more physical things we can do. Roll over, play, snort- all the things!

[sweet hollow]

@solid perch why dont you think pachy should get a bloodpool buff?

[solid perch]

Because it doesn't need it, its already well equipped to handle its self so that's why I believe a buff to its blood pool is unnecessary

A pachy can legit end a fight in 1 hit, c'mon now 💀

And i also believe it does take skill to fight a good pachy player, in a 1v1 between a utah and a pachy, the pachy has the advantage

[limber hull]

i think pachy should get a buff in another area, not bloodpool

[sweet hollow]

bro

if theres more than 1 utah pachy gets destroyed

[sweet hollow]

first of all with the damage nerf not at all 2 utahs can face tank a pachy

[drifting steeple]

Pachy bleed is pretty bad tbh, and utah has the strongest bleed move in the game, so I'd say that's an advantage in itself

[sweet hollow]

but 30% bleed with a buck pounce cmon

thats way too much

[drifting steeple]

I agree, I'm not defending utah pounce at all haha

[sweet hollow]

ik

im just saying it

[drifting steeple]

Oh yeh exactly

[sweet hollow]

also pachy should kill utahs in 2 headshots

[limber hull]

pachy has no special weakness to bleed btw

[final mango]

It does

[sweet hollow]

3

[final mango]

It kills in 2

i had that happen to me

[sweet hollow]

no

[limber hull]

a 500kg stego has the same amount of blood as an adult pachy

[sweet hollow]

it takes 3, and its very dumb

[solid perch]

of course it does, if a lone pachy gets caught by a pack of utahs your dead, i dont see the problem 😂

[solid perch]

exactly

[limber hull]

blood pool = HP = weight

[sweet hollow]

when it's supposed to be utahs counter it should be risky for utahs to fight it

[limber hull]

increasing the blood = increasing the HP and weight which makes pachy MUCH stronger

[sweet hollow]

you dont have to increase the hp and weight tho

[limber hull]

then buff its attacks rather than make utahs attacks less effective

[solid perch]

i doubt that because the pachy can just keep stuning them and if it gets a leg fracture it can just run

[drifting steeple]

Yeh I think that pachy should be left how it is tbh

[limber hull]

it could do with some buffs imho

[sweet hollow]

true but less people would agree if i said that cause its islecord and they have a hate boner for pachy

[limber hull]

but keep its base health stats where they are

[sweet hollow]

no it cant

utah can just get up and run

and if a pachy tries to chase a utah with a leg fracture the other utahs will maul it

20 extra damage would fix pachy imop

[solid perch]

like i said if your caught out in the open with 3 plus utahs you are dead bro unless you can clutch the situation somehow

[limber hull]

id buff pachy's damage output, its kinda sad how little it does. Specifically, I'd make it able to use the "coconut cracker" headbutt to deal huge damage against knocked down animals, allowing to kill utah and other smaller predators effectively using good combos. Alt-bite and current ram damage can stay how they are, I just want the downwards ram to have combo potential

[sweet hollow]

im talking abt 2 utahs

[sweet hollow]

^ but if i said buff pachys damage people would hate it

[final mango]

Coconut cracker locks you up in animation like forever

[limber hull]

which is why i want it to do heaps of damage

make it a combo finisher move

[final mango]

Ye, it's literally a hammer

[solid perch]

the fight is doable but its not gonna be easy, keep in mind legit all a pachy has to do is stay near a tree and it cant get pounced

[limber hull]

its literally crushing the animal between a rock and a hard place

[solid perch]

also 1 leg break and that utah is out of the fight

[sweet hollow]

i should be easy for a good pachy tho but it takes forever to kill them because of the damage

[limber hull]

imagine how satisfying it'd be to land that shit after a good alt-bite

[sweet hollow]

nope it can cram in a bunch of bites while the other also attacks the pachy

[final mango]

If you pin something to the ground and can hammer on it, it should do massive damage, possibly even more than a regular ram, the thing is being squashed between 2 hard surfaces. Maybe even 100% garanteed fracture since if the animal is down is usually smaller than you.

[limber hull]

doesnt really work like that since the health damage is rather negligible. Just keep facetank biting until you're near death since pachy will still suffer

[limber hull]

there's no such thing as fracture chances in this game

EVRIMA has fracture damage

It's not at all chance-based

[final mango]

Well maximum fracture dmg then

[limber hull]

fracture damage corresponds with base damage. For example, an animal could have their attack also have 70% fracture damage, so it does 100 damage and 70 fracture damage

[solid perch]

interesting

[sweet hollow]

^

[limber hull]

Honestly, what I'd do, is have the "hammer" attack or downwards ram do something like 200+ damage, basically a guaranteed fracture on any utah as well as ample damage to scare the shit out of it. Makes pachy a skilled combo animal that must commit to the lengthy hammer animation for big damage and fractures

That's the only buff I'd give it rn

[solid perch]

ok, so maybe they can increase the alt attack dmg, but keep the blood pool the same

[solid perch]

that would work too i guess

[limber hull]

Alt attack is fine, it deals 100 damage for like 3% stamina and a good animation

As well as stun/knockdown

Alt doesn't need a buff it's an incredible tool

[final mango]

It would be a fair trade, would you do an alt ram with a short animation or would you rather do a coconut cracker ram with longer animation but much higher dmg and fracture?

[barren crater]

So aiming for the head would be a guaranteed kill? Actually nice. Worth the trade

[limber hull]

Also the "hammer" move is very slow with cooldowns and has pitiful range, so it'd HAVE to be comboed

[barren crater]

Yeah

Would be satisfying to hit

[limber hull]

Absolutely

[final mango]

It's also harder to use with the lower stun timmers

[limber hull]

Would teach you to stay the fuck away

[limber hull]

exactly

especially with packs of utahs taking advantage of any moment of vulnerability, this attack would be very risky, but would assist in dispatching these creatures

[solid perch]

ok, but just dont touch the blood pool lmao

[limber hull]

of course

that should be a weakspot

[drifting steeple]

Agreed

[solid perch]

But watch ppl still say how utah vs pachy is still unfair since a utah can still bleed out a pachy quickly

[limber hull]

which is, imo, how it should be

i think the matchup is more interesting if both sides can brutalise the other

it shouldn't be a boring, slow, endurance fight

each attack should be painful for the creature receiving it

(and pachy should be the one doing the BIG damage)

[sweet hollow]

rn it is but they need to give a pachy some buff (damage preferably)

[limber hull]

yea, i honestly just want to see the hammer buff and see how that changes the matchup

[fierce lintel]

#general-feedback message p sure a baby stego is much lighter than an adultm may have to check

[solid perch]

that's legit the perfect word to describe how it should be, I like it.

[uneven mist]

@fierce lintel but they are connected, by getting a perk you need to have reached elder and died by old age, if you are able to do that then you are granted a perk.

[fierce lintel]

ohhh

so I misunderstood the entire system xD

[urban flax]

Actually we don't know for sure how the perks and elder system will work yet

We don't even know if you'll be forced into elder or not

[uneven mist]

I’m pretty Shure one of the devs said that you can choose to become a elder or not

[worn pumice]

perks that increase stats

[urban flax]

Plans might have changed
I would actually be more in favor of forced elders

[uneven mist]

plz no

[worn pumice]

honestly i would like forced elders imo

[urban flax]

Everytime you die as an Elder, you gain 1% bonus health, speed and damage with this dino.

[worn pumice]

lmao

and then imagine right after that the next update is them adding in infinite growth

[urban flax]

I definitely want to see a Utah the size of a rex that runs 120+ km/h

[worn pumice]

^

[limber hull]

it seems unlikely based on how devs referred to it (which is sad)

i kinda want elders to be an inevitability

and how you live your life dictates the quality of your elder state

[worn pumice]

same

[urban flax]

Yeah
That would allow for a better management of how diet affects your growth

Instead of becoming adult faster (or unbearably slow if you think coconuts are actually on the coast instead of on the south of the map) you live less long

[limber hull]

so if you lived with poor management of diets, stagnant movement and so on, your elder is weaker and dies quicker. However, a healthy and active life means your elder is fucking strong as hell and will kick the shit out of anything that dares face it, and will stay strong for a good while

[worn pumice]

[limber hull]

thats actually decent. Rather than getting to adult faster, you get less TIME as adult

You CAN bushgrow

But you aren't going to stick with that animal for very long

[urban flax]

Well more if you have a good diet but yeah

I already told you (what was yesterday for me) what I imagined for diets+elder system with a short life expectancy that increases when you keep a good diet
As soon as you become adult, you start growing to elder in a time that is around 2x your dino's normal growth time (or maybe more) until you reach the peak of your strength
And about 1 hour before you die, you start becoming weaker

So if you're a Utah but end up having only 4 hours of life expectancy, you'll never be the strongest an elder can get

And maybe, cannibalizing and eating bad food could straight-out reduce your life expectancy
Imagine someone that never plays their diet and always cannibalizes, would die of old age before reaching 100%

[uneven mist]

@sacred minnow 1. If one of those carnis is added rn then the balance woukd be horrid bc they would be too strong for the current roster and what would they eat? If you add big mid tiers like allo, Alberto or acro then you need more things for it to eat than stegos. 2. I don’t see Alberto hunting down stegos, mabye younglings but the biggest thing I see Alberto hunting is pachyrhino but then it would need to be in a group of 3. Acro would be better off hunting stego than allo and Alberto but like I said, it would be unbalanced if we added one of those three rn

[sacred minnow]

stego is to strong for current roster so

[uneven mist]

I know and I dislike it as mutch as you do but the only good hunter we have for it now is Utah

[robust kayak]

@sweet hollow completely agree

[cobalt ibex]

On the Trodoon part, I think it's because they'll add the poison mechanics in that update ):
I can imagine, that Trodoon is finished, but maybe the poison mechanics aren't fully developed yet ?
That's just me makins assumptions though! I have no idea

[limber hull]

they've been working on a variety of dinos but aren't adding them because they don't want to fuck up their pipeline. Troodon has already decided to be post-gore and they aren't changing that

also i dont think trike is a very good idea for this roster

stego gets enough shit as it is

[sweet hollow]

they have it finished

[sweet hollow]

true but it would be easy for utahs to kill it suspect and it could easily wipe stegos

[limber hull]

"easy for utahs to kill"

doubtful on that honestly, no animal in this game should be considered an "easy kill" really

[cobalt ibex]

I just wasn't sure if they already finished everything related to venom/poison, because that's important!

I fully agree with your post though

[sweet hollow]

true but i mean have you seen it ingame

it looks very pounceable lol

[limber hull]

yes, it was in EVRIMA for a short time

if you pounce its head you instantly die btw

[sweet hollow]

ik

but hes chunky

[limber hull]

which can be good

hes rocking around 9 tons, which is 1.5x the health and blood pool of stego

its also likely going to be faster than a stego, and fully capable of using trees, rocks, mud and water to its advantage when fighting raptors

idk, i dont reckon another apex herbi is at all needed

also it will fucking destroy deino more than a stego could ever dream

(reduced headshot damage, WAY more health, larger, so on)

[sweet hollow]

ah true

was just giving out suggestions tho

i want a new playable so bad

[limber hull]

cera and galli are the two most likely to be future reps

[dire ridge]

putting more dinos just to have more dinos is not a good idea imo

Evrima need a map rework, performance fix first

If you want more quantity (dinos wise) they is another "game" for that

[uneven mist]

@charred fractal Austro is planned and is confirmed to be able to dive

[charred fractal]

Oh! Must've missed that one ..that's awesome 👌

[lapis swallow]

@hollow kraken oh yeah let people be even more afk growers. The devs want to fight afk growing btw

I do not really not know what you guys were thinking

[hollow kraken]

We were thinking Hypsi and dryo are kinda boring so why not give them a purpose

[lapis swallow]

And I makes the game less challenging

[lapis swallow]

Its a no risk/high reward scenario for hypsis

[hollow kraken]

Hypsis literally have no purpose yet than making eggs

Dryo can outrun some stuff and Is pretty good at dodging

Hypsis can't outrun stuff or anything really. The only thing it has is it's spit

[lapis swallow]

They just go, get the nutrient stuff for herbies (who can fucking perfect diet afk grow). This makes growing herbies so easy. I wouldnt even need to worry about food because I have fucking hypsis and dryos bringing it to me

[lapis swallow]

So your logic was: "hypsi cant do shit (which is not true, hypsi can be fun to play), LETS MAKE IT AN UBER." This is one of the worst Ideas I have ever seen in this entire discord tbh

[hollow kraken]

lol

[hollow kraken]

Chillax man It was only an Idea

[lapis swallow]

I want to understand your thought process

[hollow kraken]

Some ppl will like it some will not

And that alright

[lapis swallow]

It makes no sense

[hollow kraken]

Bro no reason to get toxic

My Idea was that it could be fun

[lapis swallow]

It lowers the skillbar into the depths of tartarus

[hollow kraken]

That's it

[hollow kraken]

It isn't that much skill looking for food as a juvi

It's mostly luck if a utah comes or not

[lapis swallow]

At least its some skill

[hollow kraken]

Very low

U can't even run away from it

And utahs are super agile

Unlike carnos

[lapis swallow]

You need to be careful and stuff and not order a fucking orange from the suicide hypsi express to your location

[hollow kraken]

Even if u walk in a bush your gonna make noises

If you want a 0% chance of being killed u need to crouch/sneak

And sneak speed is slow as shit

You'll starve before u come to your detination

If u don't eat grass

[lapis swallow]

If you starve as a herbie I have no hopes for you

[hollow kraken]

I said you will starve if u don't eat grass

and then ur diet will be super low

Do we really need to fight over one bad/good Idea?

Can't u just go to the feedback section and choose the dislike button. The dislike button is there for a reason

[dire ridge]

the general feedback discussion is here to explain why you've put a ❌

[jagged jewel]

This is a discussion channel lmao, of course we’re gonna discuss things

anyways that is a really bad idea and suggestion

[hollow kraken]

Ik ik

[jagged jewel]

it removes the sense of needing to survive when you can just fucking order a meal from hypsi express

[hollow kraken]

lol

Hypsi eats

[jagged jewel]

lmao

[hollow kraken]

It would be fun tho. I do tho agree with that it's not the best Idea

[crisp topaz]

We just need more convolution. More playables for more diet options and gore for even more diet options. It's just so not fun to play as carnivore anymore.

[onyx stump]

A kill button wouldn't be that bad

Other games have something similar

[hexed anchor]

It'd have to not leave behind a body, or else people would use it to plant food for themselves

[urban flax]

But if it doesn't leave a body people would abuse it to deny food to their attackers

[hexed anchor]

That's also very true.

[limber hull]

just make a button that, after standing still for a minute, you can teleport like, 5m in a random direction

instant get out of hole

[urban flax]

teleports you in another hole :P

[limber hull]

a cruel trick

[urban flax]

but bound to happen

[onyx stump]

Thats not how the spawning system works

[hexed anchor]

Huh?

[onyx stump]

If you're worried that ppl will leave like 20 bby stego bodies at one spawn, you're mistaken. There's a visible timer for each spawning location

And i dont think they'd last long either way

[hexed anchor]

The spawn timer only appears as for carnivores I believe. You could spawn your herbs, then wait out the 5 minute timer to spawn as a carni. I've already seen people do a similar thing with the current system, just as feeding their friends.

Bodies last longer than 5 minutes.

[burnt bone]

No it’s for both herbies and carnis

[hexed anchor]

It must be glitched or inconsistent then, because I know I've respawned places multiple times as an herbivore and just the other night there was a player respawning itself as a stego over and over in Northwest and snackrificing itself to deinos.

[onyx stump]

It's for both

[burnt bone]

Bodies last like 40 mins, so if you only spawned at the one spot, you could make 8 bodies at a time. But if you rotated around ALL the spawns… that’s like 40 bodies at a time

[onyx stump]

How can you kill someone that has no life?

[burnt bone]

It is a bit inconsistent at times. You have to die in the designated “spawn zone” to trigger it, so sometimes you’re just outside of it. Or sometimes it just doesn’t proc at all. However, I can tell you as someone who plays herbie a lot, it does affect herbivores too.

[onyx stump]

If ppl want to scum it up, what can you do. It doesnt really matter
You can either let them kill themselves with a button or make them walk to a river and drown or have thier friend kill them over and over again

[hexed anchor]

Gotcha. Good to know. So if a kill button did get implemented, that'd need to get fixed and there'd probably have to be a timer (as long as the logout timer) as part of it too.

[burnt bone]

They could make the body have a reduced despawn timer (like 5-15 mins), but if someone eats from it, then it goes to the normal despawn timer.

[wispy garden]

THE ISLE csn you stop with the map i FELL AFTER 2 HOURS of growing pachy because in the forest i cant see shit pls fix your MAP

[urban flax]

It's Afterthought

[unborn lance]

I feel you. Lost a carno after what looked like a 4 foot drop into a river.

[slim wing]

So.. optimization when?

[glossy dock]

@runic hamlet what?

[arctic nest]

i think me means ''hypsi should be able to climb tree but ptera would be able to get them down''

[glossy dock]

Still doesn’t really make sense though

But yeah I think you translated it correctly haha

[trail coyote]

my isle evrima doesnt have the option to nest on my settings. how do i fix this?

[icy lion]

If you are experiencing issues with your controls since the latest update (can't move camera, unable to court, etc) then please try wiping your config files in localappdata.

1. If running The Isle, exit the game.
2. Press the Windows Key
3. Type %localappdata% then press Enter.
4. Find "TheIsle" folder. Open it.
5. Open the "Saved" folder.
6. Delete the "Config" folder. Note: This will reset any of your custom settings to their defaults.
7. Restart the game. The issues should be fixed.

[wispy garden]

Yea that’s why I hate the Forest to much plants

[jagged jewel]

i can guarantee you that it was not 4 feet

a carno can fall a height of up to it's arms until it takes damage i'm pretty sure

[fathom tulip]

@upbeat sigil Boar are omnivorous, don't walk up to them as something they would eat, just like you wouldn't with a Utah or Carno

[upbeat sigil]

I didn't. Went to wallow and it ran up to me.

[fathom tulip]

It's just another predator to worry about, it would be odd for a hungry boar not to attack you in that circumstance

[upbeat sigil]

I don't mind them attacking, but when I'm 20 feet away minding my own business i don't get it

[unborn lance]

It was about shoulder height on a 70%

[spare hearth]

Seriously all I want is for the game to run smoother and for more dinos in the game I honestly wouldn’t care if humans never made it, I really hope night vision and gore update changes how the game plays

[tidal fjord]

I just saw a suggestion asking the devs to add more playables soon like trike.... because apparently 1 apex herbi with no natural hunters is not enough.

[worn pumice]

lmao trike would be actually invincible

[jagged jewel]

shoulder height is like 7 feet

oh its a 70%

then its like 6 or 5.7 feet