isle-lore-theories

[candid river]

Not my picture but,

[strange shell]

Looks like placeholder buildings

[candid river]

Not sure but, i think isla spiro is not controled by the replicator cus theres gonna be some humans? ((also are we gonna get jeep

[strange shell]

It is. Humans are either mercs than have been sent on the island long after it's been abandoned to do some tasks or people who have been trapped there. Tribals aren't exactly humans so they're excluded. I'm assuming a functioning jeep can be rare, but military-grade vehicles can still function after being abandoned for a lot of time, so I guess it makes sense.

[candid river]

Primal carnage and the isle are in same universe? also is there a way to kill the replicator?

[strange shell]

I also have a theory about humans, that nobody sent the mercs. They're being lured in by the replicator with fake radio signals to serve as additionnal biomass, test subjects or idk what. The only thing that conflicts with that theory is that devs hinted as mercs maybe being able to leave the island, although it doesn't completely invalidate it.
So... I still like to think I'm right.
(Yes Primal Carnage and The Isle are in the same universe, Apollo Engineering and Pheonix Corp are rival companies. AE stole assets and data from PC to recreate their own dinos)

Basically, there's two timelines, Primal Crnage being the origin point for both of them. In timeline 1, Operation Infero happens, and then The Isle. In timeline 2, operation Inferno doesn't happen (or fails) and we get Primal Carnage : Extinction.

[candid river]

Poor mercs, also dinos are diffirent on primal carnage :I like carno is huge

On primal carnage rex looks like a hypo..

[faint lagoon]

i thought it looked like the magna

[strange shell]

In PC, dinos are intentionally designed for combat (hence bloodthirsty pachys in PC-extinction). Some people think they're a military experiment, but I doubt it since using dinos for military purposes is utterly stupid (or maybe they are, and scientists at PC were too hyped about the fact they could mass-produce mutated dinos to think about what they should or shouldn't do)
In The Isle, they're designed to be able to survive in the artificial environments that The islands are. Hence semiaquatic minmi and beipi, long-legged anky and those things.
Also PC rex is literally a strain (Magnatyrannus) in The Isle.

[candid river]

Damn, it looks like magna more and im think abt more questions hmhmh (( this slow mode man))

[strange shell]

Yes slowmode in that channel is a bit excessive ^^'
But it's understanded, it's not normally a channel for chatting
(and I just used it to write that and I regret nothing)

[icy onyx]

Our rex is magnatyrannus. Same characteristics like the osteoderms lining the back, just higher detail and less cartoony proportion-wise

[icy onyx]

this channel is dead.

[buoyant river]

Maybe because we haven’t gotten a single crumb of lore from the devs in literally over half a year

[icy onyx]

well yeah

the lore is probably on pause. and will continue to be for a long time. it’s also a bit pointless because there’s things that are just going to be scrapped entirely from the lore.

[buoyant river]

Like I don’t even know if the Magnas are still a thing anymore

[sharp knoll]

magna is modified with the PC rex

[rustic halo]

as long as Echidna isn’t scrapped I’m happy

[quiet sorrel]

we got some in the pachy trailer thingy but thats it

[sharp knoll]

yeah there was an operation (camera man)

[faint lagoon]

That would explain why it looks like the magna

[icy onyx]

With humans aPpArEntLy being added this year i hope they give good lore alongside them. Especially with why theyre there. It can add reasons for them to have objectives. Like tag and bag/track dinos, population control, reclaiming buildings, building defenses on said buildings etc etc.

Mercs gotta have a story. With there being a bunch of abandoned buildings on the island already im sure it has something to do with reclaiming and continuing study

[visual ivy]

Could it be that the humans on that island are being forced to transfer their consciouses into dinosaurs by the replicator?

[icy onyx]

I thought that the consciousness theory was debunked?

[strange shell]

No, it's still a very likely theory. Just by looking at legacy deathscreen, a lot of things appearing there make sense if you consider consciousnesses are being transferred.

[stiff marsh]

on the server select screen, the radar blips specific spots on the world map. anybody ever look into where those places may be? perhaps there is something there, perhaps its just nothing and the blips are just aesthetic.

[hexed flax]

Could be places where AE's dinosaurs are from. Iirc mongolia has a dot. Thats where the shant was living. Or the dots are transmitters like the Olympus Transmitter

[vivid pewter]

is there a website for the lore?

[wraith adder]

i dont think there is, theres this tho
https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

[elder egret]

Hi where can I contact the author

[icy onyx]

there's no true author, as this isn't a book, but Dondi is technically the creative direction for lore.
You can't really contact him though

[sinful onyx]

Unless you want to die in islecord forever

[strong river]

This is more how I see it. But I don't really understand the whole replicator thing.

[candid river]

why did the replicator killed the neuro spino?

[faint lagoon]

I am unsure as to why it killed neuro spino but I'm going with they had a personal disagreement
please correct me if i'm wrong

[rustic halo]

Neuro Spino cheated on the Replicator with Echidna

[faint lagoon]

what a scandal

[slow delta]

?

[pallid turtle]

Half this channel are actual theories other half things as seen above, i love islecord theories

[nocturne cosmos]

When did the neuro spino die?

[frozen apex]

Same time as when joe died

[desert nebula]

Who’s joe 🧐

[frozen apex]

Joe Mamaa

[analog cobalt]

Epic lore theory: it’s just a fun dinosaur survival game with no real lore

[visual ivy]

Considering there’s fresh blood in one of the human structures of Evrima. Would that imply that Evrima takes place right after the evacuation?

[quiet sorrel]

could also be a human who survived for a while before being killed although i bet it might have been somewhat close to the evacuation. maybe the human was holding out in there for a few months before running out of food which lead him to opening the doors in search of food to only then be killed.

[visual ivy]

That sounds interesting as well!

[icy onyx]

He contacts you

[fossil isle]

👀

[icy onyx]

the replicator is a machine. It probably is hard, but it isn't impossible. By hard I mean it is a genuinely tremendous challenge.

[sharp knoll]

Replicator is an unknow machine so we dont know if is really hard to stop it or just broke it

someone is saying that it can be an alien technology

[icy onyx]

uuh no I don't think the devs are getting aliens involved into the lore.

[visual ivy]

I’m more so interested in the tribals. Ik that they worship the replicator and do as it wants. But what about their origin? The devs imply that they were native there, would that mean they were cloned from Neanderthals or were they there even before AE took the island?

[sharp knoll]

For tribals, replicator is a god for them, but talking about AE idk is juts says is an unknow object

[rustic halo]

I don’t think the tribals are native, I think the Replicator created them using leftover genetic material after pushing Æ out of the island to act as a physical enforcing presence, and just to feed it’s own god complex

[sharp knoll]

maybe the big secret of AE it can be the replicator

[nocturne cosmos]

Tribals are experiments most likely gone wrong

[candid river]

but AE made the replicator?

also, Who made the TYPE-H? AE or the replicator?

[nocturne cosmos]

AE made everything I believe we know of right now

[icy onyx]

think of AE as Ingen

[nocturne cosmos]

Replicator just kinda took over

[icy onyx]

basically.
Hence why there are signs of AE's lack of presence (old buildings, mainly- old computers, not every dinosaur matching their current modern design- wrong name, especially with Minmi)

[sharp knoll]

AE

[sharp knoll]

Yeah I agree

[sinful onyx]

🅰️ 🇪 🇮 🇸 🇴

I also think AE's spookyness for lack of a better term is something they need to build on, making it some freaky super corporation with questionable morals is a cool idea I think

[iron edge]

Me, oblivious to the existence of lore, accidentally checking this chat:

[visual ivy]

It’s a huge rabbit hole homie.

[low scarab]

I just thought how cool it would be if say one of the companies found a way to some how transfer human consciousness into the dinosaurs making some sort of sentient hyper intelligent creatures that are smart enough to even challenge the humans in their rule over earth now I feel like I saw something about human conciseness a long LONG time ago on this channel so tell me if Im just restated someone else's idea (not meaning to steal ideas here) and I also remember dondi making a poll for what kind of ending the isle should have anyone know the results of that poll as well thanks

[visual ivy]

1. The human mind in the dinosaurs theory has been debated for a long while. So no worries on that part.
2. The result for the pull was “Crush our feelings” basically implying that there will be absolute devastation for The Isle’s ending.

[visual ivy]

^Yeah that’s the one

[wintry dagger]

why are isle players like this

[eager marsh]

i dont know lmao

[wintry dagger]

But tbh all options are kinda shit so i cant blame them for choosing the last one since it seems to be the best of all of them

[icy onyx]

i would've hoped for an ending where the replicator is just shut off and some dinosaurs either die out or survive and possibly evolve into new forms, so long as there is no human intervention

[ornate seal]

Either that or the existence of the replicator becomes too much of a threat and the entire isle is just bombed
Like, if the replicator is that much of a problem just get rid of it before it becomes too late I guess
Unless there’s some shit that’s stopping them, I doubt valuable assets are worth risking what could be the entirety of humanity’s enslavement under the never ending cycle under the replicator

[wintry dagger]

I would have liked an ending where the replicator is defeated and the island is nuked

[rustic halo]

I would have liked an ending where the isle never existed and it was all a dream, the dream of a man named John Hammond

[wintry dagger]

^^

[eager marsh]

or maybe where aliens abduct the island, replicate the replicator and destroy humanity with it, also using the assets, aliens in the story after all

[ornate seal]

Replicator was replicated... Repliception?

[visual ivy]

Hmmm, it seems like most people are in agreement for the ending to involve the island getting bombed?

[safe ravine]

Nah too easy too clean. I hope it doesn't end like that

[icy onyx]

Can we make Beipoon shop cannon?

[timid isle]

Wtf, old t-rex in a movie lol

https://youtu.be/0hBwu0IWAx8

8:40

[zealous sage]

omg! i didn't know that dondi released isle lore hidden in other videos, what does this mean?

[lament swift]

the isle multiverse

[pallid turtle]

The Isle ending: The Replicator releases Ben and Ben uses Bencannon to destroy the Replicator and then preys on the remaining dinosaurs

[icy onyx]

The old rex is sorta free to use. Well not free exactly, you have to pay the guy who made the model I'm pretty sure

[plucky folio]

destroy me emotionally.
Ben will be created and die a slow, painful death.

[timid isle]

lol
https://youtu.be/0hBwu0IWAx8?t=521

the best part is that he narrates saying that everything was created again without any bugs or problems. Evrima?

[uneven badger]

yea totally the isle was created again without any bugs or problems with evrima
bruh why tf is the cooldown 2 minutes?

[regal sundial]

Would people be interested in me linking a post I made on reddit like 6mo ago outlining several of the big known points on the lore, at least as it was, in here? Whenever I periodically look in here I always see people asking the same questions

[strange shell]

Better check this channel's pins
Oh wait I misread your message

I guess it would be a good idea to link it, although I doubt people would bother to scroll up to read it once a few other messages have been posted

[regal sundial]

Yeaah still. Some may be interested
https://www.reddit.com/r/theisle/comments/n9dpym/comment/gzb5wup/

[visual ivy]

That’s some pretty solid lore right there.

[hard gate]

Yo can somebody explain the entire replicator lore in the best way possible I need to start inhaling isle lore

[faint lagoon]

self aware dinosaur printer

[sullen ledge]

dinosaur

[toxic igloo]

Dinosaur

[nocturne cosmos]

made by AE and currently chilling

[icy onyx]

I've had some ideas regarding the biology of dinosaurs in The Isle.

• Seeing as the fossil record is poor at preserving any genetic material, there's probably very little of it actually in creature's genomes
• With the exception of Megalania, most animals might as well have a large portion of synthetic genes. Yes, manmade genetic material made from scratch.
• Most of it acts as mere filler material alongside genetic material from living animals, but then some actually heavily affect development.
• These include some specifics like pronated hands in Utahraptor and Ankylosaurus' generally mammalian armour and also basics like the development of long tails or the extent of extraoral tissue and dentine/enamel in teeth and such (the relevance of the latter regards to the fact that many isle theropods are lipless)
• Strains are probably modified viruses
  Yes, mixing speculative biology with the isle is fiddly but interesting and adds depth aplenty

[wintry pebble]

Ey guys whean will the human team come out, I waited like 16 months for the human team to come out.

[icy onyx]

not the right place to ask, this channel is for discussing lore. Secondly, there are no scheduled release dates for things in the isle.

[olive marsh]

maybe AE is EA

[ruby marsh]

your not a dino.

protocol 14

[nocturne cosmos]

im about 90% strains are litteraly a virus since they were given to people at the start for human experiments

[wintry dagger]

90% sure?

[safe ravine]

Virus that is so DNA altering to the point of creating something like a hypo Rex? Ehhhh that's quite a stretch imo
For that to be plausible you would have to infect an embryo with the virus and at that point its basically the same as bioengineering

[icy onyx]

fair, CRISPR - Cas9 gene editing is based on this.

also the whole synthetic gene thing I mentioned might be a bit unnecessary, but seeing as the dinosaurs were mostly being cloned in the early-mid 2000s, they would have to come up with ways to smoothen various teething issues from having bird, lizard and crocodilian DNA mixed in

[gentle vessel]

well viruses already alter dna, its how they multiply, they alter the dna of a cell so it makes more viruses. so taking that to the extreme can work

[safe ravine]

my point was more that it would take some pretty ridiculous kind of virus to transform something like a regular adult rex into a hypo rex without killing it in the process

whereas being exposed to a weird virus while an organism is developing in an egg or as an embryo would be more likely to survive and in grow into something like a hypo rex

[visual ivy]

Iirc dinos become hypos by being exposed to a curtain flower by the replicator?

[safe ravine]

I don't remember tbh

[icy onyx]

Replicator

[nocturne cosmos]

I mean we know they turned humans into the three main strains tisso kinda up in the air since I think their remaking it it’s just how they did it

[icy onyx]

This is probably subject to retconning

[plucky folio]

they're different creatures apparently

[icy onyx]

Seeing as I've discussed this before in Isle Discussion.

I'll post it here

My theory to why The Isle Mercenaries start with basically no gear.

Æ have hired some no-life humans, into a life contract.
Their reward? Money ||if they survive||

But why put humans on Isla Spiro and other Æ owned islands?
2 potential reasons:

1. To test the ecosystem

   • we know everything living on Isla Spiro (Evrima) are designed to fit the environment, the ecosystem. Humans are plopped in to test how "strong" that ecosystem is to fight back against "aliens"

2. There is something there

   • Æ has sent some pathetic humans on Spiro (and others) to retrieve something or find something. That something? The Replicator? Strains? Tribals? Cannibals? Who knows, only high command knows- and they're on a luxury yacht miles away.

AE have little ethical concern about their Mercs. Hence why I do like a mixture of 1 and 2

[safe ravine]

Sounds like squid game x jurassic world

[icy onyx]

I didn't intend Squid Game to be a source
but sure- I've had this theory for quite a while now
and it's not an uncommon cliche.

[safe ravine]

Nice nice, also rich people throwing no life people at their problem with the promise of money if they survive trope has been around a long time ya

[icy onyx]

it also fits a lot with Æ imo
Unethical practises, basically Michael Crichton JP's InGen but- a lot more "dark"

Basically, a what if Jurassic Park was never a "park"

[old stone]

I like the idea of Æ basically downplaying how dangerous the expedition will be as well

Say, for an example, not telling them that there are dinosaurs or massive orc people living in the forest

[icy onyx]

Pretty much.

Adds to that lack of care about those humans

[hexed flax]

Iirc a dev said that there will be rare supply drops with very good gear from time to time. So why would AE send people without equipment on the island and then drop supplies later on?

[icy onyx]

why would they send in Humans with practically zero gear and weaponry?

to, head canon it all.
And to link back to my first dotpoint. (1. To test the ecosystem)

• we know everything living on Isla Spiro (Evrima) are designed to fit the environment, the ecosystem. Humans are plopped in to test how "strong" that ecosystem is to fight back against "aliens"

AE sending in rare supply drops- either randomly activated or player activated (by rare tasks)- this could be a way of AE trying to further test Spiro/Their Island.
They'd still need humans to help, so trying to give them some sort of "fake" advantage might be necessary if they want a lot more than just "fists and clothes"

[swift dagger]

So given how humans all ready exist on the island (tribals) , how would the dinos perceive them as aliens if they've seen them before?

[icy onyx]

tribals are not "humans" in the kind of normal humanoid beings.

[swift dagger]

They are? I thought they were normal humans.

[icy onyx]

No, tribals are going to be large 9ft monstrosities

[nocturne cosmos]

tribals are also experiments i think

[swift dagger]

Cool, so we not only have dinosaurs and the three strains (maybe more)to deal with, but now have 9 foot in-cell monsters and cannibals' to deal with. What a fun time for humans.

[icy onyx]

yes

[swift dagger]

Speaking of the tribals and cannibals, will they be playable? specifically the cannibals' as tribals are already on the factions list ingame.

[icy onyx]

yep!

[swift dagger]

I wonder what cannibal gameplay will be like, anyone want to do some speculation?

[severe karma]

What if a time machine broke and than dinos appeared and wiped out humanity

[icy onyx]

Eh.
Either growth or no growth.
Highly doubt it'll be 1st person.

More so 3rd person.

Just to allow it to be poetic.
Everything in 3rd person is genetically mutated- all created in a lab (or the result of one)

however, 1st person- they're more invasive. Where the intended gameplay experience is based off more "horror survival" than just plain ol' survival

[swift dagger]

Late response but yea I doubt people will want to grow out the things. I feel that cannibals and humans will both counter each other, I can also see cannibal players
primarily ambushing humans at night.

[icy onyx]

yeah.
That all depends on how strong tribals are

[swift dagger]

Also, what faction would cannibals be in? Would they be with tribals or something different?

[icy onyx]

honestly.
Depending on lore- they could be strains for tribals

[swift dagger]

Maybe they wood be in their own faction with the strains and stuff, the aberrations. Speaking of which I feel the strains should be more or less event creatures. Lemme explain another Idea I have. Yea Tribals with tisso strain or something

So, in order to play as special creatures you would need to unlock them by getting "currency" over time. Once you have enough for a species you can unlock it and play. Or, you could buy a single life of the creature for less currency, or in the first place, considering how overpowered they are.

[icy onyx]

Going off the trello board.
Strains (at least, basic dinosaur strains) seem to be a "post-life" event.

Basically- if you play a dinosaur that has it's own strain: You'll be able to play as it's strain once your elder is about to die

over time they depreciate in strength until time releases them from their reign. You may choose to embrace death and die with a bonus you can apply to that species later on. Or, depending on your species, you can forfeit reward, deny the reaper for a time and extend your reign as something far more terrifying

[swift dagger]

So you choose a dino, play till its last creaking breath, then choose the strain of the creature ur playing as? makes sense actually, though thats implying that the animal in question has the strain in the first place. How would that work?

[icy onyx]

Here, let me explain.

So your first part is on point.

and let's say I picked "Trex"
I grow Trex
I play a "certain" lifestyle to earn perks and achieve a certain diet path (as, we don't know how it'll properly work)
Once you get 100%, you start to grow above that. Till this:

While elders start off stronger than the highest tier adult of their species, over time they depreciate in strength until time releases them from their reign
Once you're about to die- you have the choice to achieve get a permanent (?) species perk/reward for your next Trex life.
OR
You can pick it's strain variant- in this case, Hyper/Hypo Rex.

I believe knowing if your Dinosaur has a strain or no strain all depends on either UI or learning.
Seeing as it's a survival game- you shouldn't be taught everything by a manual or video- but actually learn it yourself

[swift dagger]

So what I am picking up is that if you choose to live, you either get to choose a perk, which sticks with you basically forever. Or you can choose the strain to play as, adding onto that would you have to wait till your dinosaur gradually transitions into the strain? like growth but advanced. Cuz it'd be pretty unrealistic to see a rex pop into a hyper in a split second.

[icy onyx]

Yeah lol.
From Elder to Strain- I'd imagine it'd be around 20 max for your average dinosaur.
As- it sounds like insta death if you were to try to regrow your strength back from dying elder to OP in a matter of around 2 or so hours

[swift dagger]

Cool, How many strains are their anyways? We got Hypo, Tisso, Neuro, Magna.... how many others? CuzI've like two or three other strains online.

[icy onyx]

There are around 4-5 strains.
With multiple dinosaurs with their own strain variants.

They are mostly (probably all) carnis

[swift dagger]

what are the other two? True, I mean if they are making carni strains then they will surely make herbi strains right?

[icy onyx]

that all depends on lore (carni and herb strains)

And, on the wiki, there are 4 confirmed strains

[swift dagger]

Which would be the magna strain?

[icy onyx]

I believe there are two known Magna's.

One for rex.
one for utah

[rustic halo]

<@&401466542140817419>

[sand seal]

You didn't see shit.

[manic viper]

saoul keeping the streets clean

[faint lagoon]

someone leaking lore aye

[lapis cape]

Neuro strain has always tickled my lore senses for some reason. The upcoming troodon has two clear things in common with Type-Ns.

1. the obvious one: the color way. the blue spots that jump out and almost glow.

2. the more interesting: the ability to mimic other creatures to bring in prey.

idk just a theory and I think the devs are too busy to think of this but wouldn't it be kinda cool if troodons (since they aren't proved to be a real life dino) were a genetically modified animal with maybe a hint of the strain?

I also saw a theory from someone in this chat before about the troodon's 1 call sounding like words such like "Why" or "Wow" and the 4 call sounds like a human scream. The person said the troodons are mocking humans they came across/killed or even scientists. while i do think the person was reading too much into it and I am too,

I need something to think about while we're waiting for the game to keep moving

[icy onyx]

The four call doesnt really sound like a human scream, it sounds more like that of a hyena. Actually the sounds of Troodon are indeed a mix of hyena and gibbon among other animals

[lapis cape]

mmmm i never heard hyena they def didnt want the prehistoric dino to sound like a modern animal

[icy onyx]

Except Troodon is directly inspired by hyenas in the sense that it is a very social pack hunter that frequently harasses other carnivores.

[lapis cape]

they also have venom.

[icy onyx]

Hyenas have brutally powerful bites. Keep in mind troodon is not a carbon copy of a hyena in terms of ecology, but it has similarities.

[lapis cape]

i think we're traversing from the topic here. it doesn't matter if its based off of a hyena or a 40 yr old in theirs moms basement, my theory was about troodon and type-n and not hyenas with all do respect. the calls may be derived from hyenas but it doesn't mean it has to SOUND like a hyna would sound u know?

[icy onyx]

Troodons having a link to the neurotenic strain is also far fetched. From what it seems most neuros are drab (except the spino with a bunch of bioluminescent spots, and even then we do not know if it is universal to the strain or not). Mimicking isn't intrinsically related to neuros, either. Tbf most birds can mimic and the reason is their syrinx, which our Troodon and other isle dinosaurs probably have as well.

[swift dagger]

I know what the matriarch is but what is the All Father and Island walker?

[rustic halo]

All Father is an attempt at a perfected life form, I think it’s a replication of one of the Magnas, Island Walkers are one of those things like the Primordial that was mentioned once or twice offhandedly and virtually nothing is known besides the skeleton in the lake on v3 is of an Island Walker

[minor lava]

And even that skeleton was a placeholder.

[coral light]

why is khorne in this

[swift dagger]

interesting, so island walkers are gigantic creatures and the all father might be some kind of humanoid magna strain hybrid. at least thats what I'm imagining,

[rustic halo]

Different from the warhammer one, unfortunately

[lapis cape]

thought I'd point out the monitor in the last picture in the latest #phase-two-archive the monitor is likely what we are logging into when we open the game.

[distant oyster]

why is dondi the last one

[rustic halo]

Dondi.

[dark gale]

dodi

[distant oyster]

dondi

[lament swift]

D

[hexed flax]

I was thinking that too. It's the only functional Computer. There are also 2 Number pads right next to it which are probably used to lock the doors for a limited amount of time so the humans can use the Computer without being interrupted.

[icy onyx]

and this is why they need to rework lore for some better story telling

[lapis cape]

Holy shit Broc. Fnaf Isle.

[icy onyx]

I suspect that any evolved tribal/cannibal/unknown kind of gameplay would include terrifying fast tracking abilities with a trade off being not very defensively orientated, stalking their prey might be their niche aside from their innate darkness and overall savageness of course. Instead of friendly calls and social forms of communication, I think the main way cannibal/unknown will communicate is trough the way they leave the bodies of their prey behind, probably aiding these beings in ways one can only imagine..

[icy onyx]

Eyeless/unkown are arguably weird raptor analogs, tribals have an unclear role rn. They can jump and run at high speeds and also latch on to targets (probably).

[swift dagger]

Im pretty sure that is the cannibals thing

[icy onyx]

The cannibals are mixed up with the unkown. They're technically the same thing as tribals.

[gloomy forum]

Is there a place I can read the lore, or some sort of collection of the most widely accepted theories? And, also — is the lore for evrima going to be the same as legacy, or is that unknown?

[icy onyx]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit
Legacy lore

[gloomy forum]

From a skim, am I wrong in thinking that this is some kind of reincarnation thing? They’re porting minds from bodies to bodies?

[icy onyx]

old lore- it's wonky and wild.
Take it with a grain of salt until Evrima's lore either truly canonises it or not

[quasi zealot]

!WARNING! - System Efficiency @ 15%
!WARNING! - Power Cells Depicted
INIT. T.F. satellite/RemoteTrace.exe
THE END IS NEVER THE END (X5)
Signal source locked @192.168.1.1
Thermal Imaging engaged
Local heat signature identified
Deploying countermeasures
Event log update - asset tracking - L#01-A
Latest Apollo Mainframe Login: 999999 days ago
INIT. remote monitoring task…
CHECK @human presence…
CHECK program running…
2739.72329 years since the last appollo mainframe login, that is MORE time than the christian calendar , meaning the isle takes place probably thousands of years in the future if this wasn't an accident

[icy onyx]

where's this?

[quasi zealot]

the isle's legacy deathscreen if you go into the google doc i believe you can find it there

[icy onyx]

From what I am aware The Isle takes place some time after Primal Carnage. So some time in the 2030s-2040s. The creation of viable genomes probably took several decades, so they might as well have started in the 90s

[plucky folio]

when did you find that out?

[strange shell]

The Isle doesn't take place in the far away future, the tracker is simply glitched. It never happened to you, seeing one of your friends having "last connection : 179 years ago" on Steam or Discord ? Cause it's already happened to me.

[plucky folio]

well something obvious here is that something happened to apollo engineering

[lapis cape]

betrayed by the replicator

[visual charm]

Feels like someone sabotaged all the systems leaving the facility buildings and ports with no protection in V3 thenyaw and Spiro maybe can explain broken fences and glitches near buildings

[icy onyx]

if it still takes place after PC/E

[icy onyx]

well yes that is down change. Also it is just the original Primal Carnage I am talking about, as PCE holds no place in canon.

[icy onyx]

Yeah, very true.
And it can very be that it's still in the 30s/40s
although I'm no scientist the overgrowth with AE buildings still seem to "make sense" if The Isle is based in the 30s/40s

depends on how Dondi wants it to go, I guess

[rustic halo]

Also the super old looking tech like in the recent phase 2, but then again, funny ultra futuristic god ai able to spit out dinosaurs

[icy onyx]

AE seems to be based in the 80s/90s, looking at their tech.
But, seeing as in the concept art- it's all weathered and overgrown. "Modern" day Spiro seems to be more based in modern times

think as if you were stepping on JP1 in JW1 time

[elfin magnet]

прив есть русские

[honest imp]

Да

[hexed flax]

<@&401466542140817419>

[hearty fox]

@elfin magnet@honest imp English only please, rule 7 of #rules-and-info

[honest imp]

Sorry for it , there will be no more

[hearty fox]

👍 thank you

[wintry dagger]

^^^^^^^^^^

[icy onyx]

(this is for legacey isle V3 map) what if humans found out how to make dinosaurs like in the movies, and they built an island far away from any other land and took the dinosaurs to port, but one clever Utah raptor broke free and killed many of the staff, the remaining staff opened up the cages in hopes that they would kill this Utah raptor, but no, most of them left and ran into the wild where the humans tried to get away from the island but there cars were destroyed by sauropods and there boats sunk, and the dinosaurs killed all the humans...50 years later everything is abandoned and forgotten left for the dinosaurs to hunt and survive, no one...dared to go back to the place that they abounded. (the story will change when the humans get added into legacey maybe the lore will change, but heres my theory.)

[strange shell]

I think it's highly unlikely that one single utahraptor forced all the humans to run away
They have quite the infrastructure and equipment

[icy onyx]

true true but i believe thats how the dinosaurs ended up on the island in the first place as the devs are gonna add humans

[wintry dagger]

Humans wont be added into legacy

[icy onyx]

nothing will be added to legacy. Also isle lore is very complicated and involves genetically engineered dinosaurs, mutants and a raving supercomputer

[wintry dagger]

I know, also 2 minute slow mode

[icy onyx]

A breakout was more likely caused by said computer (the Replicator) going haywire. Not to mention literal kaiju along the lines of this exist

[rustic halo]

If that thing broke out of Tartarus that means all the other shit in there probably got out too, not good

[icy onyx]

hold on what is Tartarus?

[rustic halo]

Maximum security holding facility of sorts where Æ keeps stuff like the colossus

[icy onyx]

ah

[ornate seal]

The Isle: Containment Breach

[icy onyx]

The Isle isn't a park.
So the possibilities for "why dinosaurs are freely roaming Isla Spiro" become a lot more broad but specific within the ideas of "bioengineering" and "research"

[lapis cape]

sounds like a great dlc name to me

[ionic rain]

what's that?

[icy onyx]

The hyperendocrin colossus

[torn furnace]

anybody wanna dm me and explain the lore to me? would also appreciate primal carnage lore. I know some, but not all. Pretty important to me that I know this, writing a fanbased story around PCE, AE and adjacent companies.

[icy onyx]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit
if you haven't

[torn furnace]

Is there one like this for Primal Carnage?

[torn furnace]

also, does anyone know who created Alphonse/Alphie? wait nvm it was chance and drive

[icy onyx]

no, sorry
not to my understanding

[visual charm]

God Zilla but he isn't hunched

[native vault]

I think the lore is a world where humans made dinosaurs but they got out of control and killed 80% of the humans on the earth, and the last humans made an ipad to make them turn into dinosaurs so they can stay and live on earth intill they find a way out of this disaster.

[icy onyx]

The Isle takes place on an island

[balmy scaffold]

So I have probably an out-there theory about the replicator, as we know the replicator is made to gather data (for what purpose i dont know) and the replicator is a machine or at least an ai, now in an older transcript an ai (probably the replicator) talks to an Apollo personnel about "choosing a side" and when asked "which side is the right side?" it replies "Mine" likely meaning the replicator will do whatever it takes to gather data. now in the screenshot attached the Olympus transmitter tweet which states "Everything is not as it seems. You are controlled. You are conditioned.

Repeating the same patterns is what they want you to do."
this is probably from the replicator trying to convince us to do what it wants, think about it, if the things your researching are doing the same thing, your not gathering new data and that's bad for research. so my theory is that Olympus transmitter might= the replicator

[visual charm]

Jurrasic world dominion but more intense

[pallid turtle]

Or the transmitter is controlled by the replicator

[solemn aurora]

👀

[wanton ocean]

I was just now thinking of that... It makes me wonder...

Has it's model ever been finished/updated? I assume the old one we saw years ago is outdated so probably would have to be remodeled? 👀

[neon mesa]

I honestly doubt it’s even canon

[icy onyx]

no

[wanton ocean]

no more pings pls :c it's almost 1am here

[copper compass]

The isle theory is that humans existed. There is little proof they existed except in what is left behind here. Much like fossils and crop circles, there is only proof through speculation and what you believe to be true. The Dinos live with the so called "human structures" but nobody has ever seen a human.

[icy onyx]

because Spiro is abandoned

[visual charm]

But is Spiro still being monitored by Æ tho?

[icy onyx]

probably.
It's also probably why Humans are being sent to Spiro

[tranquil terrace]

We're seeing so many buildings lately, maybe in my opinion the dinosaurs must of forced the humans into extinction.

[strange shell]

Humans are not extinct, they were forced to leave the Island
For the most part

[tranquil terrace]

Oh... I see... So a jurassic park/world situation then? (Not saying there was a park for dinosaurs or anything, just the humans escaping and the buildings and such being over grown)

[strange shell]

Yeah, basically
But a little more complex
You can check the pins if you want to know more

[visual charm]

True

[icy onyx]

Yes

[icy onyx]

You aren't wrong.
The Isle is basically just in a Jurassic Park/World situation just without the park
this is obvious.
But it's nice to see the similarities between the two.

and stupid when people complain that certain animals in Isle look like certain animals from JP/W

[visual charm]

Can explain broken fences the dinosaurs or something gave the dinosaurs free access in the facilities besides it having high voltage or high fences something or someone must've sabotaged the defenses

[light flare]

Oh much better, the AI system that runs the Island and makes the dinosaurs is worshipped like a God by the Tribals. Why you ask? Because it made them immortal and they're recreated by it. There was talk of crazy sacrificial rituals to please the Replicator.

[tranquil terrace]

Power must of been shut down as they were escaping the island from the dinosaurs.

[hexed flax]

The cameras, computers and lamps are still working though

[tranquil terrace]

Then I'm not sure..

[icy onyx]

The thing which caused the breakout was probably the replicator itself, in addition to the strain creatures (e.g. the hyperendocrin colossus). It's more important to get all personnel off the island ASAP instead of shutting down the power.

[wanton ocean]

For what reason would Æ be deploying mercs back onto the Island though? Something they're looking for?

(Also how did you type the 'Æ' thing, i just select-copied it but I'm just curious cause it's neat)

[visual charm]

I think a hyperdocrin sample is still in the Island and they're retrieving it (btw if your on phone you can just hold a and you see Æ and drag to that)

[wanton ocean]

Oooh neat

[gentle vessel]

Data samples, documents, reclaiming the island etc

[icy onyx]

supposedly yes, it's highly likely it could be what IronDragon has said
although, there are a few good reasons.

for example, two:

1. To test the ecosystem

   • we know everything living on Isla Spiro (Evrima) are designed to fit the environment, the ecosystem. Humans are plopped in to test how "strong" that ecosystem is to fight back against "aliens"

2. There is something there

   • Æ has sent some pathetic humans on Spiro (and others) to retrieve something or find something. That something? The Replicator? Strains? Tribals? Cannibals? Who knows, only high command knows- and they're on a luxury yacht miles away.

We also can't base much off Legacy Lore.
Seeing as it can easily change from left to right.

So it's best to say collection and extraction for the time being

[quartz crystal]

Anyone gonna talk how you just kinda appear when you spawn. No logic, just poof you there. Low hunger suggests you escaped captivity but where, there are literally only like 4 human buildings none big enough to contain a dinosaur

[icy onyx]

I mean, there's nothing much you can really do either create spawn points (which could be easily camped)
it's best not to think about it.

That- you didn't just spawn in out of thin air
but now taking up the mind and body of a small baby dinosaur of your choice- as the player.
You are that dinosaur now. Now a parasite controlling.

[quartz crystal]

We need baby ai for all playables and then player spawns aka takes over the mind of the ai 🗿

[icy onyx]

That's... quite hard to do.
Especially server and feature-wise.

Say, you start as a baby teno.
But that teno AI that you took- was being attacked (or even in the middle of being hunted)

not a good situation
better to just keep it away from lore
most survival games have you just "spawn in"

[trim gust]

Right just a quick question cause I'm confuzzled, but I heard something about Human Consciousness being transferred into the dinos or some wack shit? what's the deal with that?

[strange shell]

From the limited lore we have, there's a consensus that the player is "canon". Basically, you're not playing a dino but a soul trapped in a loop of being transferred into a new body everytime the previous one dies, whether it is human or dino, which is why you can play as either a human or dino and keep the memory of all your past lives.

[trim gust]

So who confirmed it as canon? its very goofy.

[strange shell]

It's been hinted at a lot of times in the lore, read the pinned messages

[fringe marsh]

Me when the end is never.

[lapis cape]

i love when games have the player as a canon entity

[icy onyx]

He coming to this chat after a few months of being inactive: I see the shadows of something I once sae

[steel flume]

King Gekkong

[icy onyx]

time out the Isle has LORE!!!

[ornate trellis]

The lore of the isle is that humans were trying to produce dinosaurs for a theme park at the new map. Then one day dinosaurs broke out and destroyed some of the human structures and now they walking around the map

[icy onyx]

not really a "theme park"
as that's Jurassic Park

[ornate trellis]

yea what ever

soemthing like safari, thats why theres a giant wall at the swamps

[strange shell]

Not a safari either
AE is a scientific (and probably medical) corporation

[icy onyx]

AE bioengineering.

Yeah. There's probably also some physics-related stuff, too

[sudden fossil]

A furry fantasy

[supple kestrel]

Apollo engineering is a bioengineering company, bringing back dinosaurs on an island, creating strains and stuff, and AE gets taken over (Works with AE?) by the replicator, some kind of technological/primordial god or smth. He takes over and works with AE, and now, he has replicated strains and stuff. humans are back investigating the island, where dinosaurs roam. (I am pretty sure that's the confirmed stuff, there is a lot of fan theories and other hints filling in the gaps)

[icy onyx]

Thx

[rose quarry]

wasn't the point of AE trying to create war machines out of dinosaurs and an attempt to create superhumans?
They got the dinosaurs and from those dinos tried to create strains which created the whole. monsters we know.
and they tried to combine dino and human DNA
which is how we got the orclike tribals we know

[strange shell]

I hope their reason is better than "make dino into war machines"

[nocturne cosmos]

we have no idea why they did anything

[native lark]

Tats hypos lol

[icy onyx]

please not like JW2

[glad prairie]

Jurassic park much?

[eager marsh]

thats not the actual lore lol

[icy onyx]

^

[icy onyx]

AE was doing a bunch of varied shit. Seeing as they had cloned dinosaurs, they could have had future plans for some sort of reserve or park (and honestly there's not much point to cloning replicas of long extinct animals). There's a transparent perimeter (i.e . the edges of the map), which indicate some innovations in other fields of science

Even then nothing is known for certain about the company other than them fucking around with bioweapons and some physics-related technology as well.

[balmy scaffold]

from what we know about the replicator and the islands AE created it all for research purposes, the sentient ai replicator monitors and tries to keep things within apollos parameters (we dont know what thos are) we also know when you live then die as an elder you help the replicator do its research so maybe the replicator is trying to simulate EVERY SINGLE possible life these dinosaurs can have, for what purpose? we dont know

[strange shell]

I have a theory that the replicator want to bring someone back to life, but as we can see with the tribals, resurrecting people tend to turn them into mindless killing machines. Maybe it's trying thousands of hundreds of lives, resurrections and souls transfers, trying to manage resurrecting someone without damaging their mind ?

[balmy scaffold]

maybe the replicator is under a 1000 life contract

[buoyant geode]

Getting a lotta red vs blue vibes from this idea

[smoky basalt]

Hypos are the war machines that were man made i think, read that somewhere, so what of the nuero I'm a bit new into entering the lore of the isle so pardon me if information is iffy

[strange shell]

Nothing is confirmed about the reason why strains exist. I also have a theory regarding that, that they were supposed to be used on humans later as medicine. (Like the hyperendocrin strain would allow people to become tougher and grow back lost limbs)

[deft eagle]

I believe the most commonly accepted use for strains is for military use. Carnivore only strains + Starve very fast + Bullet proof + Very Aggressive = Perfect killing machine to just drop off in enemy territory. It will die once it has killed every enemy, leaving no cleanup. Fast and effective.

[strange shell]

The only problem I see is that using mutated dinos for military purposes is one of the worst ideas ever. Weapons you cannot control are terrible and moreover, it's

1. Still killable with appropiate weapon, we're talking about a creature made of flesh and bone, it's never gona be as resistant as a standard tank
2. It would require huge maintenance simply to be kept alive while you wait for using it
3. If anything happens to it that hasn't been planned, it's a complete disaster (the hyper going in the wrong direction, the program keeping it under control having a slight bug...)

[icy onyx]

look at JW2 for example
bad, bad and bad

[deft eagle]

Very understandable, however, 2 could be solved by just mutating it closer to injection. Also, we don't know exactly how bullet proof they are, they could be stronger than a tank 🤷‍♂️

[strange shell]

When animals are used for military purposes, it's always tamed animals, and they're never sent to fight alone, if they're ever sent to the battlefield. Power alone does not justify sending onto the battlefield a soldier that cannot obey nor even understand orders, not manipulate weapons, and that would most likely go rogue at the first occasion.

[strange shell]

You're still carrying a living rex around with you and close to a battlefield. The only way that would be doable would be to keep it in a coma (super high maintenance) in a very strong cage (unreliable) or tame it (but if you spent years taming a rex don't fucking go sacrifice it on a battlefield)

[icy onyx]

that's to say that you could make an animal stronger than your average tank.
Why can't you make a tank stronger than your average tank?

can't die, costs only fuel, and is manned by people or AI

[deft eagle]

Idk, they clearly had a purpose for creating strains, just a thought (For below) Neuro spino having EMP abilities also would be useful (dont know why it would have EMP abilities if it wasnt for militarization)

[strange shell]

And got a lot more firepower than any living creature could ever get
Actually strain dinos could work in military situations, but for covert ops only, and assuming they can be mentally controlled. A hyper utah could break into a bunker and kill everyone inside during the night, for example.

[icy onyx]

AE isn't government organised.
So, unless they're contracted, I don't find it to be the "hot thing" they want/they're going for

always good to ponder.
as you can't simply rely on Legacy that much anymore

[deft eagle]

Any thoughts on why Neuro spino has an ability similar to an EMP? Or is that deconfirmed... I don't see why an EMP would be needed in a dinosaur setting

[icy onyx]

Humans/Human environments

[strange shell]

According to lore it seems the creation of neuro spino wasn't intentional, so the only reason is that the neuro strain is completely fucked and that's why AE didn't want to replicate them

[deft eagle]

Yeah, obviously, which leads to the idea of militarization... unless the spino mutated that by itself to combat humans (which would show immense intelligence and/or rapid evolution)

[icy onyx]

I wouldn't say militarisation.
Just more so defence against humans.
||seeing as Humans base everything off electricity these-days||

These are lab-created creatures.
Labs which used high amounts of energy to produce what they are now.

[strange shell]

Neuros might actually be smarter than humans
And the replicator surely is, and might have created neuros like that to combat humans on its own

[rustic halo]

Yeah, Neuros seem like the perfect storm for an anti-human attack in an isolated place like the island

[quiet sorrel]

i wouldnt be surprised if the replicator did develop neuros and used them to drive humans off the island/make humans lose control of the island. It would be cool lore wise and to me make a lot of sense

[icy onyx]

Most animals aren't especially bulletproof. Anti-tank rounds can easily pierce bone, so you could headshot a Hyperendocrin rex if you have a sufficiently powerful rifle.

Militarisation may be a potential reason for creating strains (though not so much for dinosaurs and more for human subjects). Yet again the causes are barely known as the iceberg has barely been scratched.

[neon mesa]

This is all completely delegitimized when you realize most of modern warfare is fought by drones lol

[icy onyx]

hence why no point with AE creating dinosaurs for military reasons

[hexed flax]

The only dinosaurs that would be useful for the military would be neuro spino because it can create EMP's and change the weather (even though the military can already do that) and neuro Giga because iirc it can turn people against each other

[icy onyx]

Dinosaur mutate

[long onyx]

can anyone explain to me who the tribals are?

[strange shell]

Mutated people who worship the replicator. We don't know wether they're natives of the island or former AE employees.

[cyan schooner]

or if they were created by the replicator itself

[halcyon grove]

I agree most with this theory, because they tried to get rid of the more war like strains like the neuro strain and I believe the tisso

[nocturne cosmos]

so is there like those ginat ass kiaju monster island walkers what if they are trying to make something to figtht those things

[quasi creek]

Hi, so I watched last Ant video and well, just to say Im not really for humans in this game, I dont want them to break what the game is, a survival dinosaur experience, but maybe they planned humans since the beginning =/
Especially if there's weapons and stuff, Ark already exists for that, and there's no survival dino game like The Isle
Maybe I can agree with only some tribals, so they have to survive and live with dinosaurs
Or maybe there'll be multiple gamemodes servers, one with only dinos, an other with the humans
Idk ! ^^"

[rustic halo]

[quasi creek]

What x)
Just because for me, the actual game is a dino game, and no humans are here, but Im not the creator and I dont decide, and its still in development, I just hope it's not gonna break the ambiance and immersion we actually have ^^"

[strange cloak]

humans will fight over the areas in the map for humans the humans who have the lab can then go out and "research" dinosaurs making strans that they can then take and become the crazy alien looking monsters who will be the most savage thing out in the isle

[icy onyx]

There will be unofficial servers with that option

[eager marsh]

wonder if that could mean anything important

[wicked sable]

The strains are meant to keep each other in check some way or another. Someone add on to this, like how the Strains would counter eachother.

[strange shell]

Humans have been planned from the beginning. They are part of the lore as much as the intended gameplay, and having thzm in doesn't mean the game will turn into an Ark clone, it's the other way around, humans are what will set it apart from games like Saurian, Path of Titans and Beasts of Bermuda. Initially, dinosaurs weren't even supposed to be playable in The Isle and the only reason we don't already have them is because devs didn't manage to make them work in legacy, and as such, people got used to play with dinos only.

[quasi creek]

Ohh I see, didnt know that :0
Of course we get used to play with dinos and see the game as it is now

[acoustic wolf]

Yeah original intentions were a survival horror game hence why alot of the strains, trials and older concepts are the way they are. Personally I look forward to shitting myself as some poor mercenary just tryna repair a sub station or something (sorry for ping my bad)

[icy onyx]

Can some on send me a video so I can get a start

[acoustic wolf]

https://youtu.be/dncngJKIUmE is probably the Best one I've see but it is now like 4 years old in terms of info so stuff will be missing

[icy onyx]

the lore is being rewritten for the most part so we are back at step one

[acoustic wolf]

There's also a really good Google doc by Buder iirc, but both of these are legacy lore a d we don't know how much if any crosses over

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

[icy onyx]

What is Hades

[rancid nacelle]

played a lot of primal carnage exctinction, never noticed that the connection to the isle was this deep

[sharp knoll]

it was

[hazy void]

eyy whats this

[icy onyx]

old

[strange shell]

Neurotenic megaraptor, it's written in the top right corner of the picture
Probably scrapped, since megaraptor has been replaced with bary

[hazy void]

neat, just found it in my old screenshots folder didn't realize I had it so thought I'd put it

[icy onyx]

Skin concept for new hypo Rex when

[icy onyx]

Scrapped neurotenic Megaraptor. Megaraptor (or rather, a heavily fictional version of it), was going to be added to the game prior to Allosaurus and Utahraptor taking the role instead. The Isle also was going to have Deinonychus before being, again, replaced by some more creatures, those being Utah and Velo. The old concept artist, Rodrigo Vega, had left the dev team several years ago.

[icy onyx]

I’m saying skin concept, would it be the same as the original in legacy or a new skin

[icy onyx]

Wile looking through the v3 map I noticed something there where little to know generators for most of the building and yet the cameras still work and they seem to be attached into the building so what is the Neuros ability to generate electricity was not weaponized but rather used for the buildings almost as a for of gerenatornand if in realation to size if it could produce the same amount of electric power and say an electric ell the it may been enough to power the building for some time

[supple kestrel]

I can't remember where I saw it, but I remember hearing that the legacy is still canon, and evrima is just a completley abandoned island. Dunno where I am recalling this from tho

[outer flame]

I believe that its on a island I KNOW RIGHT WOW SO Cool anyways I believe they made dinosaurs and I believe that they where under attack thus letting out the dinosaurs....Something big is coming I GOTA RUN!.

[icy onyx]

if some one is so kind as to explain what are strains and how they happened in the lore, ill be greatful i hunger for lore

[ornate solar]

Just read this and made me think of WW2, the cant recall what ship but the germans had an amazing battleship of sorts and barely used it because they didn't want to risk losing it. If you tame and perhaps bond to a huge reptile that can swallow u whole, I don't think you'd allow it to get shot by modern weapons like tanks

[icy onyx]

Frigate ship types were very expensive

[long onyx]

That was the Japanese battleship called "Yamato" The germans did have a big battleship called the "Bismark" but they werent scared to use it and it later got sunk by the british.

[ornate solar]

oh yeah havent really read much ww2 lore lately so I got them mixed up xD

Always been more interested in the european theather anyway because japan was basically 'murica's venture

[void fossil]

you guys are way too smart for me lmao

[sterile leaf]

a boat in the isle

[clear root]

Can Hypo dinos have Feathers?

[long onyx]

joe mama have feathers

[rustic halo]

That’s an.. interesting question

Feathered skins for Utah and the like are confirmed, and Utah has a hyper, so would the feathers recede and turn into scales or would they make a feathered version of the hyper as well

[icy onyx]

Would be interesting to see if feathers would fall off.
Obviously, helping servers- they would just particle themselves and fade away

To turn into the monsters they are

[royal eagle]

[junior beacon]

how do hypo dinos come about?

[bronze pecan]

xD

[icy onyx]

I have a suspicion that the labelling of humans into different "generations" (generation one and generation two) might hint at something. Possibly waves of humans being sent onto the island, with the first wave having mutated into cannibals (by that I mean the "tribals", not the eyeless things that run on all four)

[icy onyx]

which still proves my theory that Humans/Mercs are possibly here to test the environment

Seeing as I've discussed this before in Isle Discussion.

I'll post it here

My theory to why The Isle Mercenaries start with basically no gear.

Æ have hired some no-life humans, into a life contract.
Their reward? Money if they survive

But why put humans on Isla Spiro and other Æ owned islands?
2 potential reasons:

1. To test the ecosystem

   • we know everything living on Isla Spiro (Evrima) are designed to fit the environment, the ecosystem. Humans are plopped in to test how "strong" that ecosystem is to fight back against "aliens"

2. There is something there

   • Æ has sent some pathetic humans on Spiro (and others) to retrieve something or find something. That something? The Replicator? Strains? Tribals? Cannibals? Who knows, only high command knows- and they're on a luxury yacht miles away.

AE have little ethical concern about their Mercs. Hence why I do like a mixture of 1 and 2

[icy onyx]

I am not arguing against it.

[icy onyx]

No no, never said you were.
It actually more so proves it closer to reality.
Helping it really

[vague root]

Their clothing is pretty interesting, at least if considered lore friendly.
They are definetly not average civilians, still are being released into the wild almost naked

[icy onyx]

It is probably to provide some level of really basic insulation or protection and also lightness at the same time (meaning you can go through different types of terrain without struggling too much)

[quiet sorrel]

the term generation 2 to me is quite interesting as its a weird choice of a name to call mercenaries you would hire to fetch something on the island. I think the term generation 2 may mean that their bodies (maybe not their minds) have been altered in some way or they have been produced to put profiles in and like lightclaw said above is more to test the environment maybe. The reason i think they are genetically altered is because theres generation 1 which is most likely the tribals and may potentially be an early form of "evolved" or improved human that AE or the replicator is trying to make and the Generation 2 batch is either the more perfected version or just another step in the testing process. maybe in generation 2 the profiles of some of the workers of AE could be trapped in and forced to go through the same cycle over and over and the replicator is using them to test the ecosystem and its creations knowing that they will do anything to escape the island. Anyways thats my theory.

[icy onyx]

the human "wetsuits" actually have some kind of bits of padding as well, probably for protection.

[icy onyx]

This makes a bunch of sense. Humans as prisoners. And actually Generation 1 may not even be tribals, but actual human mercenaries from outside the island, not test subjects.

[long onyx]

Or the suits dont mean anything and this is isnt lore related but just a test

[icy onyx]

Test for what?

[long onyx]

a stress test

[icy onyx]

I mean, yes and no.
This is more a mechanics test.
A proper stress test would be via announcing the branch in #announcements or #830660455487373352

This is more so the early basal preparations for humans.

Presume the suits are for latching on gear that you'd scavenge on

[long onyx]

I really kinda mean that suits are probably just quick thing they added and that means it probably doesn't really count lore wise

[icy onyx]

They've been working on proper models for a while.
These are the supposed models

[long onyx]

Still idk the suit seem weird like some sort of VR bodysuit

[icy onyx]

probably just a thermal undersuit
Seeing as we'll get the opportunity to find and put on gear in the future

[old stone]

Punch did say that it was an undersuit that you'll be able to put gear over in the future

[icy onyx]

yes

[toxic igloo]

I'm sorry this is off topic but how the fuck did you get up there?

[lofty solar]

it reminds me of ready player one's vr suit

[long onyx]

sus

[quiet sorrel]

That would actually make a lot of sense and would link to genetics in a sense as F1 generation refers to the parental batch but in this case the generation 1 could refer to the original bodies of the mercenaries before testing and the Generation 2 batch could be split into the tribals and the cloned humans. This is if your theory is correct

Also the undersuits are most likely something that is skin tight to not get in the way of other clothes like modern armours, waterproof and insulative to help with the islands environments and most likely strong to form more protection.

[pulsar moss]

I think it's just a test outfit and they'll change it over time

[safe ravine]

In regards to what mercs are wearing rn

[icy onyx]

Ah so it is indeed an undersuit

[pulsar moss]

ok i know now

[icy onyx]

yeah made sense.
Probably, in lore, just some sort of thermal suit to survive all types of AE's Islands and biodomes.

But, in-game.
What you spawn with.
Being able to cover over with actual proper gear

[sterile leaf]

😈

[icy onyx]

Admin warp
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1874058655215652075/20B89A9B867D42E45100F6056CFC463B390E520E/?imw=1024&imh=575&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=true

Not sure if it has anything to do with lore, or it's just a little Dev easter egg

[sharp knoll]

maybe for fun

[icy onyx]

Probably, yes

[sharp knoll]

I think they add this just because of the humans

[safe ravine]

I believe it's just for fun I'm so glad they left him there

[icy onyx]

No, it's the tribals!!!

[pseudo fable]

For fun.

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-good-pointing-thinking-impressed-spiderman-gif-16390742

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bossR.gif

[safe ravine]

👀 interesting

[icy onyx]

very

[pseudo fable]

A few people have gotten motivations right but the theories wrong, and vice versa.

[long onyx]

A wild dondi appeared 😳

[strange shell]

Give us the official lore already

[icy onyx]

soon ™️

[rustic halo]

Isle novel

[icy onyx]

Honestly, a "The Isle Novel" would be great!
But, would we need it?

I mean, it'd be nice if we got one- always nice to read a bit.
But, if it were to contain any proper lore about The Isle- I hope it'd be nothing crazy, just backstory/prologue-like information.

Definitely talking about stuff like AE, Dinosaurs, etc.

But, if we get anything "Lore wise" that doesn't come from the game
eg. Book, comic, etc.

I hope it'll be good.

[slow delta]

dindo give lore

ill pick apart the substinence trailer later but i doubt there'll be anything to add to the google doc

[worthy storm]

Guys, what is the mercenary's objective on the island?

[strange shell]

Make friends with dinos then kick them to death
More seriously, we don't know yet what their objective is, if they have any. It might have something to do with lost samples, destroying the Replicator or something in those lines.

[icy onyx]

there are multiple theories.
Some being like the above, where Mercenaries have more of a "Save the World" objective with there being some sort of "Evil AI/Robot/Being" relatively like GLaDOS

Or, a complete juxtaposition. A flip.

Mercs are not here to destroy but to test.
Where, this more so shines a light above AE- making them more the "Bad Guys" and a lot more Unethical and Evil.
Where Mercs are "Lab Rats"

• Take that in any way you want
  Either Mercs were created by AE, or those Mercs signed up etc

And another?
Could be anything else really.
Just gotta have a proper reasoning.

You might as well put "mercs" in quotes as they're not really hired to fight or anything

Who knows.
I mean, why do we call them Mercs if they're referred to (In Evrima) as "Generation Two"

Unless that'll change

we wait

[jovial spruce]

i have a feeling that these human bases will contain the chemicals requires to achieve the different strain mutations, i mean, there needs to be a reason for dinos to be there or it wouldn't be a dangerous venture for humans

[stray plinth]

Good idea

[cold spruce]

Question, is there any official lore to the isle? Likes “government facility makes dinosaurs to use as military weapons”

[nocturne cosmos]

we got the doc and that is basiccly just everything we have

[serene stirrup]

iirc it's like
smth to do with prisoners becoming dinosaurs and each time they die, they become more feral and lose themselves
i havent read the doc in a hot minute tho

[cold spruce]

So that explains why utahraptor is naked

[serene stirrup]

pretty much yeah
i dont remember why they were doing it or anything but my best guess would be for military purposes

[icy onyx]

everything we had. More so.
Most of that doc is from Legacy.

[nocturne cosmos]

yeah honestly fuck knowns if half the stuff in the doc is even lore anymore or not, i also dont know if that doc is missing anything since im like 90% sure their used to be another one

[icy onyx]

Yeah, from what Dondi said yesterday.
Some people here are on the right track.

I wouldn't say "Let's dispose of Legacy Lore"
but it's nice to have that doc as some sort of archive.

[nocturne cosmos]

im glad this even some like zelda lore of smth like their are a few things we can kinda bounce off when it comes to theories, yeah defo good to keep as archives would be nice to know if anything in their is no longer relevant tho

[icy onyx]

and, if Dondi wants to make some nice Easter Eggs. He could ALWAYS refer back to old lore moments, characters or things however he wants to during Evrima/The Isle from Legacy

[nocturne cosmos]

i really hope lore starts kicking back off again back when it was regular updates was so cool just a shit ton of people all working together

[icy onyx]

I presume things will get up slowly during every update (alongside some videos that Seiza makes for Isle)
and more so when The Isle's more so finished the base of things.

'completed most/if not all mechanics and planned playables'

[clear root]

I wonder if hypos will even be introduced into Evrima anymore

[strange shell]

There is no reason they wouldn't

[slow idol]

Hypos will still be a thing

[clear root]

mmmm cant wait to see the juicy hypo remodels

[steel flume]

The lore is that humans found and island with dinosaurs and they make bases on island to observe and they get eated by dinos and all thats left is the same wild population of dinos. But the hoomans wanted to make cooler dinos so they make hypos eventually and send more teams in bc money stuff and nobody really ever makes it out alive but still sometimes hypos get developed before the hoomans get eated

[radiant mason]

something I find interesting is that before you choose your dino in the game it says "select your asset"

and I know that can mean many things but it supports the theory that people's brains are being uploaded into these things and they themselves are controlling the dinos. Like maybe they're rich or just signed up for an experiment? That last part isn't clear but I feel like the fact it says "select your asset" heavily supports the brain uploading theory.

[deep cairn]

what if they're trying to make the perfect human, and the cannibals and tribals are a byproduct, or maybe the product, of their work

oo and perhaps they made the dinosaurs to challenge these perfect humans? that could be stretching it. But I mean the ultimate test is if it can go against dinosaurs.

[rapid chasm]

Maybe, I think gen 1 refers to the old humans which came out like 6 years ago

[rapid chasm]

OR
AE is a private military company but it mainly focuses on genetics and the " Generation 2 " Humans are attempts at the prefect organism which is the same as Type M, and the dinosaurs are not really dinosaurs I think the brain uploading theory is true but its done by a surgery; eg High Class criminals, War criminals etc. But that wouldn't work with nesting so when you get nested as a dinosaur you are the dinosaur, you have no human backstory, you are not a human. But when you spawn in you either really pissed the government off or did something, so they kidnap you and remove your brain from your body and implement it into a dinosaur body then they just throw your body out. I think mercenaries are ex Special forces, that would explain why AE has such elite facilities and high tech stuff. ( Yes I'm comparing it to INGENS security firm, in which their soldiers are ex military. ) Other from that I think GEN2 are cloned humans from Trials eg GEN1 Human is prefect, genes are prefect etc. They take that humans blood and clone that human into another human in which is prefect and will always be prefect, GEN1 Humans are the Scientists etc. Which you do not see; they made you, and supervise you. Gen1 Humans could also be Tribal, and human strains. GEN2 Humans could be trials, just tests; they are placed on a island, which is still active but in code yellow, emerging on red. Adding onto Gen1 Humans they could also be mercenaries but the older ones. GEN2 Humans are genetically modified to be prefect, they know their human but don't know what generation.

[subtle geyser]

Perhaps generation 1 are the original inhabitants of the island, taken hostage for various experiments, while generation 2 are either cloned humans or hired/captured (possibly brainwashed) mercenaries?

[rapid chasm]

Could be GEN1 Could be mercs, or staff of the island.

[icy onyx]

Or guards

[icy onyx]

What if the mercenary's are guards of the island to keep other companies from stealing assets seeing as how it has happened before I don't think it would be unreasonable

[rapid quail]

I'd imagine most humies are class Ds

[placid sigil]

i think GEN2 are the mercs since thats what the beta code for them is called

[rapid quail]

Tribals are ones that escaped and survive there now, then the normies are there for experiments or something

[hexed flax]

I have reason to believe that the Tribals and Mercs were created and raised by AE.

In the latest QA update (human update) there are 2 options for humans: Generation 1 (tribals, possibly homo georgicus) and Generation 2 (Human or neo-Georgian)

On July 3rd 2018 the transmitter said that Gen 1, the Tribals, stopped giving results which is why they needed a new generation for the experiments.

Generation 2: The humans that we know mercs were actually created by AE and sent to the Island as an experiment. They named them "neo-Georgians" because just like the Tribals (possibly Homo georgicus) they were created with DNA from a person that lived in Georgia. After that they stopped creating Tribals because they no longer had a use for them.

I think that the tribals are homo georgicus because they look somewhat similar and they lived in Georgia which would explain why AE would name GEN 2 "neo-Georgian"

[rapid chasm]

AE stole from PI.

[icy onyx]

Echidna as in the nuros

?

[wicked sable]

To add on to my previous theory of all the strains needing to keep eachother in check in some way, let me put it like this

The Hypo strain keeps the Neuro strain in check because the only thing that can beat brains is pure brute force. And we probably don't want hyper-intelligent creatures roaming around.

The Neuro strain keeps the Tisso strain in check because the Tisso strain can turn invisible, but the Neuro strain would probably be intelligent enough to track their location, even while invisible.

The Tisso strain keeps the Hypo strain in check due to, well, being invisible. The Tisso strain can stay out of reach while invisible and kill the Hypo creature by using hit-and-run tactics.

This should be viewed from a lore-wise and gameplay-wise standpoint. If the strains WERE to be used as war-machines, this would be how they were regulated and not kill everything.

[icy onyx]

I think ik why most of the dinos have code names for gods because they where God but gods of a bygone era

Kings of a place no longer ther a place that has long disappeared

[bronze moth]

So......we already have some idea that the isle's technology is quite advanced, so...can we conclude that it takes place in the distant future? maybe well after primal carnage?, damn how we need a more defined timeline

[icy onyx]

1990s AE but based in the 2010s/20s 🙂
just look at our models, tech and aging

we have some sort of "idea" on when Spiro occurred as an active project/event/situation; and to the "right now" of The Isle that we're playing in

[bronze moth]

lol, hope the devs will provide easier to understand bits of lore in future updates

Like dates, specific events, relations with primal carnage, something more complete than simple coded sentences that indicate something much bigger

[icy onyx]

I presume when Isle's closer to "finishing" ||whatever that is||, that we'll get more info from Dondi here

[bronze moth]

Hope so

[icy onyx]

[bronze moth]

It's strange to think that all this craziness goes on in the 90s-20s mainly because although some pcs seem to have come from the 90s, I don't remember any mini helicopters from that time (my theory is that the pcs that look "old" are simple and cheap terminals used by Æ, or are like that for pure aesthetics)

[icy onyx]

Note that equipment has probably still been moved around from AE headquarters or factors to Spiro and other places.
But the buildings, still seem to be quite old

[bronze moth]

Yeay, not all of them, but some really look old, i don't know, maybe The time the game takes place really doesn't matter much to the lore itself, just the time difference between the important events

[icy onyx]

Earth (?)
but I'm mainly going off the concept art

[bronze moth]

Plot Twist: The isle is a ARK

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/there-you-have-it-folks-there-it-is-j-jonah-jameson-jk-simmons-spiderman-gif-15506163

[wicked sable]

this makes this thing i made a while back true

[bronze moth]

Wait, primal Carnage extinction is a continuation of The First game? I swere it was just a remake with the same story, please give me a summary of what's important there

[sharp knoll]

[deep cairn]

Why would the government go through all of that to punish a criminal, would that even be a punishment? Like the biggest criminals, serial killers, I’m sure would love being a dinosaur XD
Even if they didn’t, why don’t they just, firing squad on them

[deep cairn]

That’s a really good point. Whether this theory is true or not in theory this will be the way the strains will work

I have a theory
The devs don’t actually have a story they just listen to what we think the story is. Then they put in what they like and say “that’s pretty cloossseeee” unless they REALLY like it and then they say “oh you got us there!”

[icy onyx]

I don't believe Dondi is a bad story teller.
I just Hope that via his direction for the game, he is able to successfully create a good story

[sacred flax]

this is me btw

[visual charm]

AE stole exactly 3.14159 amounts of resources from them

[swift dagger]

Question, Do the humans retain memories after the brain transplant or are they completely wiped? I feel like if there are certain dinosaurs with human brains in them that still have memories they would still be trying to do human things. Like making tools and stuff like that.

[night rose]

Do you guys remember the transmission received video from 4 years ago?

[sharp knoll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBMILwT-jGQ

this one?

[icy onyx]

The last few seconds of the video there are the letters c c h I've seen it before it means carnage comes home

Idk what that means though

[sharp knoll]

you already said

[night rose]

Yup

[low slate]

I honestly doubt transplanting a HUMAN brain into the body of a dinosaur is going to work, i wager its more like avatar where your consciousness is transmitted, this also explains in game hud.

[swift dagger]

Yea this makes more sense, then if the persons meat suit dies then they can just move their consciousness into another asset.

[acoustic wolf]

The sheer caloric consumption needed for our brain is so gigantic there's no way something the size of theropods and the likes could sustain themselves

[low slate]

also different skull structure.

[icy onyx]

sci-fi game
if we were going to be set by proper science as a basis of this game- there wouldn't be dinosaurs at the very least

[low slate]

saying we aren't going off proper science would mean we wouldn't have diet systems being implemented, just because the premise doesn't exactly lend itself to modern technology doesn't mean anything, for all we know the isle takes place a million years in the future and we would never know.

[icy onyx]

the diet system isn't, to what we know, correlated to lore.
It's always been a system that's made to move people around the map, and make them do things- rather than sit in a bush next one pile of food (although being quite tedious)

it's obvious that a good portion of AE originated at the same time as InGen would've, late 80s to 90s.
Thanks to it's architecture and ESPECIALLY the technology shown in concept art and Visual's models.

The current position in time of "playing" The Isle would be around more current times with real life.

This genre is the same a Jurassic Park (especially the Novel made by Michael Crichton)

I cannot believe this game takes place in millions of years in the future.
But the boundaries, via worldbuilding, is not the same as the modern/real world.
Obviously ignoring most modern Scientific Rules (that restrict story telling for this genre) to accomplish The Isle's story and lore

I also don't like the suggestion that "transplanting a human brain into a dinosaur" should be lore, it sounds quite uninteresting honestly

[low slate]

aye fair enough

[icy onyx]

yes

[echo trout]

any clues if the matriarch is going to be ingame

[icy onyx]

it is a largely fan based concept as of now (seeing as Tapwing's art of its different stages isn't official nor canon)

[echo trout]

but is`nt tapwing a dev now so it could be canon and official maybe and hopefuly

[icy onyx]

It is still fanart, as explicitly stated by Tapwing herself, and she has still continued the fanart illustration series even as a dev. Not to mention we do not know if there are, if there will or if there have be(en) any internal discussions on making it official.

[night rose]

I haven't been keeping track of the lore. Can anyone please explain what do we know so far?

[icy onyx]

Tropical island with genetically engineered dinosaurs and other monstrosities in unknown location

[swift dagger]

yea thats pretty much it

[icy onyx]

^

[night rose]

That's it? Oh well, I look forward for when we get more lore. I know there's this AE thing, the people that made the dinosaurs?

[icy onyx]

Yes, Apollo Engineering, a company. There is also Phoenix International, a rival company which created the dinosaurs in Primal Carnage

[night rose]

Ohh I see. The same universe I assume? I wonder what was the goal in the first place

[icy onyx]

no idea

[night rose]

Might be similar to JP, but turned out wrong. It's possible those humans are stuck on the island because then they wouldn't need to survive (find food and water) and would just need to exterminate what they created

[icy onyx]

The dinosaurs are being cloned and/or synthesized by a machine dubbed the Replicator. And honestly seeing as the humans in the test branch are labelled "GENERATION TWO", they could be potentially created by the Replicator.

[night rose]

Ohh, a machine? Didn't know that

[oblique surge]

Think GLaDOS but with less jokes and more death

[icy onyx]

^ and utterly no speech thus far

[echo trout]

@icy onyx i have found prof of the matriarch

[icy onyx]

I never said the matriarch didn't exist, I merely said that whether Tapwing's art would be made official or not is uncertain. Besides, the information on lore entities has likely been COMPLETELY rewritten, so the matriarch even existing in the first place is an uncertainty

[echo trout]

well hope it come into the game

[icy onyx]

same

[echo trout]

if it does come into game wonder will it be playable or ai and if it`s playable i wonder how it will work will we have different stages as we grow and will we be able to take dna from other dinos and whatever dna we take will determin what it will look like

[low slate]

all i hope for is playable Hypos once more

[magic ether]

Has anyone else every once and a while in evrima seen red green or yellow and blue lights thats flash once or twice and then dissapear? I think it could be to do with lore but it only happens in the isle so its not a problem with my pc

[lapis cape]

lol thats never happened to me i dont think

[magic ether]

huh wierd

[low slate]

i saw a red one once

[hexed flax]

Does your entire screen flash or do the lights appear somewhere in the distance?

[icy onyx]

You might be getting some funny visual artefacts, unless you're able to show a video or photo

[vivid spire]

did p.i come first in lore or a.e

[vivid spire]

or are they not lore anymore? i don't keep track

[strange shell]

PC came before AE, since Primal Carnage is anterior to The Isle (both irl and in the lore timeline)

[void apex]

Phoenix INC came before Apollo engineering iirc, AE stole some of their assets too.... or maybe it was the other way around...?

[nocturne cosmos]

AE stole from P

[modern lark]

What is this ?

[icy onyx]

legacy probably

[modern lark]

And what should be a Matriarch?

[magic ether]

just like little shapes of coloured lights that flash and then dissapear and they arent in the distance or close there just there almost

[hexed flax]

@modern lark this is the Matriarch

[magic ether]

is it the shadowy figure the camera is looking at

[echo trout]

@modern lark this is the matriarch

[hexed flax]

Yes it is

[magic ether]

so does it take multiple forms or are there multiple matriarchs with multiple forms

[echo trout]

it take multiple forms depending on what creature it takes DNA from

[flint oar]

those concepts look gross...i love it

[magic ether]

I see

[sharp knoll]

well is unofficial concept

[echo trout]

it might or might not be cannon as tapwing the creator of the art is dev so we will have to wait and see

[icy onyx]

Tap has done a lot of unofficial concept art (aka. Fan art) for The Isle

[echo trout]

@icy onyx well the matriarch is a real creature in the isle but it might not look like the art

[icy onyx]

Well yeah, obviously.
The Matriarch is not fake nor a fan concept, but the design is still a big "?"

[icy onyx]

Tapwing's matriarch stages/forms are heavily speculative. Likely not canon, but the matriarch as an entity exists in the lore but we don't truly know what it is.

[light nacelle]

Do we know if the connection to Primal Carnage is still in the lore?

[clever relic]

I don't think the lore still consists a connection with Primal Carnage Extinction

@echo trout on 2 of the images,it says unofficial concept art,but for the first 3,it doesn't say so. Possibly they are Canon, probably not buy still possible

[icy onyx]

So what's the deal with the matriarchs? Are they like alpha alphas?

[icy onyx]

no, the matriarch is a single entity

[shut remnant]

It's still Canon but only to the first primal carnage

[icy onyx]

But why so many forms, is that it's gig? BTW I'm a isle lore virgin I know nothing but I've come to become a big boi

[icy onyx]

The forms arent official

Ah I see

[rustic halo]

It’s worth noting that Dondi has said before he really likes Tap’s forms and wants to do something with them, whether that be for the Matriarch or something else idk

[icy onyx]

i love the neuros tap has made, specially the carno, fuck if i know why but im abscessed with that design, i love taps work

[echo trout]

looking forward to see what dondi does with the forms. Hope they are for the growth forms of the Matriarch

[spring quail]

Wait, Isle takes place in the Primal Carnage universe?

[tribal osprey]

Wait, Primal Carnage has a universe?

[spring quail]

I mean, if the isle takes place in primal carnage, then yes

[nocturne cosmos]

primale carange and the isle are linked

[umbral coral]

no a dev from primal carnage was linked

[nocturne cosmos]

pc aka phoenix corp which is primal caranges sceince guys has had shit stolen from them by AE our guys

[eager marsh]

didnt AE bomb PC's island?

[slow delta]

what's this from?

[slow delta]

taterfi's website and my docs don't include that but i dont think it matters since the video is asking for twitter retweets for the carnage comes home thing which is kinda old news by now since we got the console stream and a lot of confirmations after that

[void apex]

From taps deviant. It isn't canon as far as we know.

[icy onyx]

Hear me out Beipallo, a Beipi and allo hybrid from an experiment to try and turn a less threatening creature into a more threatening one and see how it fair in the environment, it's basically an allo with longer claws, a longer neck, it's a pretty good swimmer, so it's fast I water and on land and it's an omnivore but leans more to carnivore style but if it's in need it can eat plants to not starve, similar in size to an allo, maybe slightly smaller

[eager coral]

Legit thought this was a real life picture for a second.

[magic ether]

big footprint in the ranger station leading to locker with something spilled out of it any theories or just a design feature unrelated to lore

[sharp knoll]

just a design

[magic ether]

mk

[magic ether]

ill try and get a picture

[hidden valve]

What is the "Matriarch", could someone write me down a quick summary of it?

[rustic halo]

We know almost nothing about the official version of it, just that it starts out compy sized and can get bigger than a pue by “stealing” dna and emulating it or something like that, which is why Tap made her fan designs very insectoid in nature im guessing.

[magic ether]

Carnival click the little message above my message it will show you pictures of it just scroll down a bit

[cursive mural]

so wait is evirma the same as legacy with lore or is it Different

[icy onyx]

Technically the same, the lore is just undergoing some slight changes in the transition, I believe.

[magic ether]

i believe it is the same aswell

[wicked girder]

wat is a matriarch

[magic ether]

scroll up untill you see pictures of a dinosaur like creature. But dont be misled it is not a dinosaur it is a monster

[pine nimbus]

Doesn't AE stand for Apollo Engineering?

[echo gazelle]

yes

[zealous kraken]

is there a reason why there are cenozoic mammals like boars on Evrima?

[pseudo shadow]

because it takes place in the modern day

[icy onyx]

modern day island

[zealous kraken]

ok so they sent dinos on a modern area already inhabited by boars and stuff?

[rustic halo]

or made the boars and stuff as well as the Dinos

[icy onyx]

to test the environment maybe

[oblique surge]

making the boars like they made the dinos would probably be too expensive no?
seems like it would be easier to just capture some and breed them in the island

[pseudo shadow]

which is probably what they did. or they already lived on the island. or or the replicator made them

[rustic halo]

I really don’t think Money is an object for AE seeing as it’s been hinted the Replicator is capable of making the Islands themselves, and they’d probably want a controlled amount of the animals there if they weren’t native there already, not a breeding population.

[oblique surge]

fair

[zealous kraken]

wait wth is a replicator

[rustic halo]

Malevolent god ai that makes pretty much everything on the island, tribals worship it as a deity and it can contain human consciousness’ as “profiles”, aka the players

[icy onyx]

GLaDOS

[oblique surge]

glados if valve decided to make portal a horror game instead of a funny puzzle game (damn you and your speed lightclaw)

[sharp knoll]

portal x half life

[icy onyx]

What is tarturas was a place where failed or creations being made would go as it says the matriarch was developed in Tartarus leading me to believe that it is some sort of proving ground or ground maby like an island?

[old stone]

My guess is that Tartarus is an island and/or a massive facility that's used to create new forms of life, and maybe it's also the location of the replicator

[rustic halo]

I think of it as more of a holding facility, like a prison for the more dangerous creatures

[night rose]

Portal

[edgy pike]

Hoping we get it as a map at some point. Might end up being a combination of broken high-tech facilities and Skull Island kinda flora

[neon mesa]

Is Tartarus still canon?

[icy onyx]

We have no idea of true canon anymore with Evrima anymore (currently).
except for the obvious

[neon mesa]

Yeah ofcourse anything that’s recent is fair game, but I don’t trust anything pre Evrima anymore

[green osprey]

sorry but what is tartarus?

[icy onyx]

holding facility

[little bridge]

I watched a video recently about the isle's troodon, and how apparently it didn't exist in real life. That had me thinking about how to shoehorn it into the lore of the isle. This is purely speculation from myself and may be wildly different to what the dev team has planned, but I thought it would be cool to tie the troodon to the three strains in the isle. Most large projects in the real world have humble origins, and I thought it could apply to the strains as well. Maybe the organization responsible for the creation of the isle wanted to experiment with different dinosaurs they made a new dinosaur species (troodon). In order to make enough specimens for a real population, some corners were cut. Some troodon specimens displayed erratic mutations that changed them into horrific versions of the dinosaur. The organization saw the potential of these mutations in other species, and thus created strains.

[icy onyx]

AE = 90s.
90s = Troodon is still valid genus

[little bridge]

Damn thought I had something there. Stenonychosaurus, right? The Wikipedia article for it seemed to suggest it didn't exist after some surface level digging. Well maybe not troodon then, but I could still kinda see a similar thing happen if the isle dev team had made some other dino up.

[icy onyx]

Is the Isle's utahraptor technically the same as Primal Carnage's novaraptor? I know one stole genome from the other and I think I've seen nova appear in some canonical isle lore so it got me wondering.

[icy onyx]

That would be pretty cool to know the isle and primal carnage is connected

[icy onyx]

Troodon did exist, but its based merely on some teeth. Hence we cant really figure out what it is properly

[nocturne ore]

Something that makes me think about is how much time has passed or what time The Isle is located in its lore

[icy onyx]

Probably around 20-30 years

[icy onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/872617920721731614/image3.jpg
We can only really base it off Concept Art in #phase-two-archive
Going off vehicles shown in the art- which aren't just static props but being used by the players/mercs.

However, this can really be taken in two ways.

1. Those are modern vehicles sent from AE ||or other|| to Isla Spiro.

2. Those are old vehicles from the 90s that are refurbished via the player in the modern day.
   -> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/885269768729411624/20210908021936_1.png
   Example would be the "Range Rover" at the WIP Docks.
   This vehicle shares it's body with the "2000 Land Rover Discover" alongside and a "1994 Range Rover"

So, currently we're in the waiting game for both #phase-two-archive and confirmation by Dondi (and others)

[short heron]

So yall read the steam page? i think there maybe a little lore there.

[gritty helm]

TheEndIsNever³
What the actual f***

[outer verge]

Its "the end is never the end" (Tho in theory it could also be "the end is never" now that I think about it)

[slow delta]

yes we've seen the stuff in the store page. nothing really new. even the "the end is never the end" stuff is re-used in other clues

[rustic halo]

https://twitter.com/AEOlympusTransm/status/1045073805926756352

Olympus Transmitter (@AEOlympusTransm)

THE END IS NEVER THE END IS NEVER THE END.

Likes

118

Twitter · Sep 26, 2018, 10:13 PM

[trail osprey]

It seems someone poured some water on the transmitter

[fast dove]

since the isle i think is a simulation or something along those lines maybe the machine that lets the dinos thrive got a computer virus and it destroyed that island but some of the code was saved so rather than making another simulation and risking another virus, they just decided to put the dinosaurs into the real world hence why there are now more advanced mechanics since the simulation never had those mechanics.

[icy onyx]

Matrix

[hard jetty]

uhm it is the future where dinosaurs took over

[old stone]

I don't think we have any basis to think that the dinos got off the islands, especially since Æ is apparently sending humans onto the islands

I also think it's unlikely that the isle takes place in a simulation

[sinful onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-im-confused-boba-fett-confused-confusion-gif-24305522

[icy onyx]

"The Isle is a simulation"

[sinful onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-book-of-boba-fett-nodding-nods-nod-boba-fett-gif-24353933

[icy onyx]

Yes

[thin vine]

stop stealing my theories

[icy onyx]

No

[sinful onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/steal-racoon-cute-funny-animals-cat-food-gif-15431336

[glass echo]

[half linden]

It has to be Colossal

[frozen totem]

Anyone know where the isle takes place? Like what ocean/how close to the equator

[icy onyx]

Isla Spiro might be a clue

[frozen totem]

[visual charm]

If only in game coordinates were real coordinates

I think the isle is based off this island near the edinborough of the seven seas in the atlantic

[spiral elbow]

I have a hypothesis that the lore has something to do with dinosaurs, I will have to do more digging however.

[icy onyx]

Hm yes

[silver kraken]

Perhaps

[icy onyx]

what is the isle lore?

[old stone]

The isle lore is incredibly vague currently

[icy onyx]

From another server, a question was pulled up about Why The Isle's Playable designs are soo inconsistent

This shortly followed --> "Maybe there'll be some lore as to why the dinos look so inconsistent"

My theory?
Most assets on Isla Spiro were created when AE were 24/7 present during the 90s.
However, because of the ~FGdty212!$@%& (whatever the thing that made AE have to move out of Isla Spiro) AE now has to transport new assets via proper transport- presumably cargo ships- which costs money, time and others ||those who are not involved|| will see.

Taking them years to find the proper slot to send some of their assets to Spiro without any outsiders from learning.
This is, keep in mind,if the theory about AE using Isla Spiro (and other islands) as a testing ground for whatever is valid.
which means, over years, AE's designing of their "Dinosaurs/assets" change with palaeontology evolves.
As, they're probably linked with palaeontologists (like InGen with Alan Grant)
this is probably the most reasonable answer I could give.

[old stone]

https://c.tenor.com/6GhnULv69VYAAAAM/seen-it-marty.gif

[icy onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/count-dooku-christopher-lee-star-wars-gif-23719747
I know you know

[frozen totem]

I have a statement to make: Lore is fun

[slow delta]

I mean the allosaurus remodel was mentioned in the lore loading messages as having cranial abnormalities. So far the lore is very meta

[scarlet quiver]

Jurassic park but instead of making dinosaurs, they found them. And instead of making an attraction. They just made a shipping thing.

[strange shell]

Nah, they did make the dinos in TI

[icy onyx]

I think the isle might be connected to jurrasic world bc the utah sounds like the velo from j park and Rex as well and it's humans and dinos in j park and the isle

[fringe marsh]

😐

[icy onyx]

Idk though

I'm probably wrong

[oblique surge]

the game does take inspiration from JP (just look at utah) but no they're no connected in any way

[icy onyx]

Thx for the information

[stoic void]

Killing you in 10 minutes 🤭

[oblique surge]

I'm still waiting

[icy onyx]

Also to be clear if The Isle was directly Jurassic Park based, the Devs would've gotten the shit sued out of them.
TI draws inspiration from JP, but has different elements like genetically engineered bioweapons (e.g. "cannibals" (eyeless/unkown), the strains and the matriarch) and the purpose of recreating dinosaurs being something other than entertainment (perhaps a massive ecological experiment of sorts)

[lofty jetty]

No

[icy onyx]

The Isle =/= JP
But The Isle is inspired off JP

There's a weird line between with copyright over "Inspired" and "Stolen"
But The Isle's lore, story, franchise, etc does not steal of Jurassic Park

[icy onyx]

Yes, I'm aware, I could've phrased what I said better.

[fierce ravine]

Does this game have any established lore?

[high heath]

How much time do you have?

[gusty thorn]

Eh, 50/50

[fringe marsh]

Sure.

[fringe marsh]

genetically engineered bioweapons like the Indoraptor that weren't created for entertainment?

[icy onyx]

oh yeah JW has those but they do it really poorly

[wicked sable]

alright so does anyone have an isle lore doc? or something close to that

[icy onyx]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/102ETakYa1vH0VHC9hs_i_kSuum9aVcuH0G4_CobBPr8/edit

[wicked sable]

cool

[sinful onyx]

AE run by dondi

[wicked sable]

"The end is never the end" could probably be talking about the way players respawn infinitely. "The end" is probably referring to the player's death, and the "Is never the end" is probably referring to the infinite respawns the player has.

[shell junco]

so, theoretically, due to primal carnage and the isle taking place in the same universe, could, theoretically, those humans end up as mercenaries in the isle?
(Commander, scientist, trapper, etc etc)

[fringe marsh]

My fucking eldered utah getting fucking magdumped by two revolvers.

[icy onyx]

Even worse, elder Utah getting trapped in the net from the trapper and getting knifed to death

[cunning portal]

Ohhh I hope we get a netgun.

[edgy pike]

I think the deal was Dondi can’t use any named characters or something
Also those guys are probably old or dead by this point in the timeline, that or they found themselves as one of the unlucky people who had their consciousness transferred into a Dino if that’s how it works

[shell junco]

@edgy pike ok what about the rapper, ommando, cientist, athfinder, and yro

[old stone]

IGEN?

[edgy pike]

this aint jurassic park

[icy onyx]

^ The Isle is entirely separate from Jurassic Park, and merely inspired (mainly in regards to some creatures as well as themes and base concepts like genetically engineered replicas/restorations of dinosaurs)

yes

[deep cairn]

Pretty sure they made dinosaurs on the isle and also a big crocodile

[icy onyx]

and 2 pterosaurs

[deep cairn]

wow! really? This is truly a lore theory

[pseudo shadow]

They also made a Ben

[pliant zinc]

Excuse me what

[shell junco]

in one universe they tried to take back the island (Primal carnage) and kept experimenting in the other they just fucking bombed it @pliant zinc

[pliant zinc]

I just looked it up apparently this isn’t true dondi left pce cause they shot the idea of the isle down and he wanted to make them in the same universe but since that happened he couldn’t

They are just Easter eggs @shell junco

[shell junco]

o

[short folio]

i just recently realized that all the primal carnage mutations are canonically in the same universe as the isle

That means stuff like this is canon in the isle’s universe

[cinder atlas]

Mutations are marketplace items. Not lore.

[short folio]

they're still part of the lore since they're mutations created by whoever is making these other dinosaurs

they're not far fetched at all either considering there's giant mutant dinosaurs with split jaws, armor, etc in the isle

[deep cairn]

It’s not apart of the isle but it is interesting, could have inspired don for hypos but I wouldn’t call it isle lore

[short folio]

im not saying it's part of the isle's lore since primal carnage and the isle follow two separate storylines (if you could even call them that), but they do exist in the same universe

[placid glacier]

No, because Primal Carnage is part of the lore, not Extinction

[short folio]

wym extinction is part of the lore

[placid glacier]

no its not

[short folio]

if extinction wasnt part of the lore, then there wouldnt have been a reference to it at the end of the first evrima trailer. the original primal carnage is dead so that means it's not a reference to the original, and rather extinction

[placid glacier]

No, its a reference to the first Primal Carnage. Extinction is its own thing.

[short folio]

why would they reference a dead game that barely anybody knows about nowadays? it's clearly a reference to extinction because of that reason alone

[placid glacier]

No, I believe its been mentioned multiple times that its only a reference to PC and not extinction

[short folio]

yet the acro in the isle literally has the roars of the pce acro. Acro wasnt in the original primal carnage. if the thing regarding the isle and primal carnage extinction taking place in the same universe was suddenly scrapped, then like i said, it wouldnt have been referenced in the evrima trailer

[placid glacier]

They have a similar roar because the same person who made the animal calls in PC worked on the Isle for most of the development. Simple as that.

[short folio]

that makes no sense though. same dev or not, they wouldnt have just reused roars unless they were incredibly lazy. the models for the pce acro and the acro from the isle are almost identical as well, the only difference being that the acro in the isle has lazily edited-on lips

[placid glacier]

Do you even hear yourself. I was there when this was actively being developed, on the team. Most of Isle's og team was from PC. PC died pretty early after Extinction. The only reason its active now is because some devs from here went back to revive it after it was purchased by Isle's team.

[short folio]

like i said, they wouldnt have referenced a dead game that barely anybody plays anymore

[echo gazelle]

The reference was to B-443, a supposed designate for the Magna Tyrannus

[fringe marsh]

They did.

[old stone]

They would have referenced the dead game if said dead game was in the same universe as the isle, which, it is afaik

[edgy pike]

It was referenced because it was exciting to the player base who’d been trying to solve whether or not the two universes were connected. Extinction isn’t really linked because the agreement only included the first game. Whether or not the OG Primal Carnage is dead is completely irrelevant because it’s not a marketing thing to get people to play it, it’s for the isle lore

[icy onyx]

B-443 (aka "Big Daddy") is the original Magnatyrannus/Tyrannosaurus specimen. It happened to cause the breakout on Phoenix corp's site, leading to Primal Carnage.

[balmy cradle]

The isle only has rights to use Primal Carnage stuff, not Extinction stuff

[acoustic osprey]

currently. Yes.

[tacit venture]

are the strains "hyper, tisso, neuro, magna, ( and whatever matriarch is)" meant to be playable and if so how are they planning it

[acoustic osprey]

Yes
At least, we believe they will be

[shell junco]

nah, the mutations were made after the point at which the isle and primal carnage diverge

[pliant zinc]

GUYS PRIMAL CARNAGE AND THE ISLE ARE NOT CONNECTED

THOSE ARE ONLY EASTER EGGS BECAUSE DONDI USED TO WORK THERE AND THEY SHOT DOWN THE IDEA OF THE ISLE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WOULDNT MAKE MONEY AND DONDI WANTED IT TO BE CONNECTED BUT SINCE THAT HAPPENED HE COULDNT

[sonic rampart]

No need for excessive caps

Lorewise, they are connected as far as I'm aware. AE attempted (possibly successfully) to steal genetic data from Phoenix Corps (assuming that this hasn't since been retconmed)

[acoustic osprey]

at least, connected in Legacy
Still need a bit more confirmation Evrima-wise due to it being basically a clean slate

[placid glacier]

They are connected. They've been connected for quite a while, but yes. Extinction, no. But PC, yes

[acoustic osprey]

were connected in Legacy. Yes.
I presume they will still be in Evrima. But, we wait for confirmation.
||although acknowledging Phoenix International seems to exist. Although speculation on how much is actually confirmed from PC is yet to be confirmed for Evrima||

[tacit venture]

they technically are lore related AE the company that essentially created the isle stole from pheonix co and stole their dna also chill out mate

[safe ravine]

Lore related but not irl related in any way that there could be legal troubles

I don't think they're really related irl anyway outside of some of the devs having worked on both games

[shell gale]

I always imagined that Phoenix International was Apollo Engineering's parent company
Like how Masrani Global is the parent company for INGEN in the Jurassic franchise

It made sense to me that Phoenix would be the main company experimenting with Genetic Engineering, which is where the Mutations come from
While Apollo is more focused on documenting and researching more realistic creatures in a semi-natural environment.

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we need more information about both companies in Evrima
Going off Legacy can be a hit or miss due Legacy's lore no longer the main canon until further information

[pliant zinc]

iirc dondi did want primal carnage and the isle to be linked or in the same universe but it didnt happen.There's some easter eggs tho

[tacit venture]

oh k also is there like a list of all official strrains/ concepts?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[tacit venture]

where?

[acoustic osprey]

there are a few official concepts on the internet.
However, unsure on their validity within Evrima

[edgy pike]

It did happen 👍

[neon mesa]

I just don’t trust anything lore related pre Evrima launch

[acoustic osprey]

Until more confirmation is given

[topaz lance]

You know the new spino for evrima, Looks better than legacy that we all can agree on right? But it is far more similar to the Hypo spino that was made for Legacy, I believe we are gonna get hypos back, Same with rex if you look at its head, its far more similar to the hypo version of itself in legacy.

[acoustic osprey]

we are getting hypers back

[topaz lance]

Strains are coming back? POG, Do you know how we will be able to get them if we are able to

[acoustic osprey]

Well, we believe they're coming back via the Elder System

[topaz lance]

Yeah, you do ceartin stuff and then you grow again after elder then become hypo, But one thing im questioning, Will every dino get strain variations, It only seems fair, Cause if ony ceratin dinos get strains, then people are only gonna play as them

[acoustic osprey]

No.
There will be certain dinosaurs that'll have strain variants- mainly Carnis.

When you finish growing an elder and die from natural death you get given two options- for a dino with the option as a "strain"
Either get a perma (or 1-use) reward for your next play as that species OR pick their strain path and have a temporarily rampage as that strain

[topaz lance]

So strains, If you play as a strain you have a timer until you die/reset then you have to give up that strain.?

[acoustic osprey]

Well you have until you are no longer capable of feeding yourself.
That'll either be- you've killed EVERYONE and small animals are no longer sufficient or you died via someone else

[topaz lance]

Oh good, But i doubt a Hypo rex/spino is really gonna die, unless for another hypo spino or hypo rex
I know lack of food

[topaz lance]

Will the hunger for them be really low? or normal as default of that creature or higher?

[acoustic osprey]

Lack of food = starvation and death

[minor walrus]

They run out of hunger p quick

You’ll only live for 30 minutes, and that’s it probably

[fringe marsh]

Starving ain't an issue when you're like 5x stronger than a rex but only outran by galli and carno.

[surreal oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/centaurworld-wammawink-new-friend-gif-23172478

[surreal oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/centaurworld-nude-im-nude-horse-utterly-gif-22862595

[safe ravine]

I see yall watched centaur world

[minor walrus]

Yesss, but i think we're in the wrong channel to talk about it now that i realize xD isle lore centaurs

[surreal oracle]

I'm sorry.

I THINK that the Isle is based on some kind of alternate universe jurassic park type thing.

[acoustic osprey]

so make it an issue

[long onyx]

a skill issue

[narrow vigil]

is the screen clutter you get when going near buildings some sort of lore thing?

[old stone]

From what I remember, yes.
Although, how canon it is right now is kind of up in the air

[wicked sable]

Supposedly, the screen glitch is meant to keep dinos that have spawned away from human structures with a chip in their head. The glitches are like a warning signal. Oh, and also it was meant to kill the player as the glitches got more intense.

Also nested creatures would be immune to this effect.

[swift dagger]

So this would keep dino players from going to the structures? Idk seems a lil confusing to me ( is this planned or is it an old mechanic?)

[glad anvil]

Evolution and such

[acoustic osprey]

Mostly to stop people from camping/staying there

[wicked sable]

Lore-wise, it was supposed to be the way of protecting humans in their structures.

[swift dagger]

makes sense

[lilac cairn]

Wth is that?

[safe ravine]

I'll tell you in #offtopic-discussion

[fluid zealot]

I have a theory that dates back to older material

I believe I figured out what the giant skeletons that littered the old maps are; Prototypes of the earliest Hypoendocrin strains, which caused these animals to become massively large before Square Cube Law caused them to collapse on themselves.

[austere stratus]

My hypothesis for the future of diets: Maintaining a full diet that covers all three components will result in your dinosaur becoming an Elder. Focusing on just one will result on your dinosaur becoming a Hypoendocrin, a Tissoplastic, or a Neurotenic, depending on which dietary component you choose to specialize in.

[old stone]

Doubtful, that would mean you'd do less work to get something far more powerful

[fallen gust]

True

Maybe if when the perk thing comes out if you focus on one "tree" or type it turns you into a hypo, tisso or neuro and maybe along they say U might have some kind of debuffs until Ur "form" is "complete"

[vernal skiff]

Being a cannibal makes your dinosaur crazy, if you feed out of your species only, it might lead somewhere.
That could be very interesting.

[rapid chasm]

I think for Type N and Type T or what ever, I think they cocoon and shed their skin and bones and stuff and redevelop it into the strain they eat which would be a plant so they kill ah erbi who eats the plant so on so on.

[deep cairn]

What if EA is making the dinosaurs

[gaunt dawn]

[fallen gust]

No

[fallen gust]

I refuse

[tacit venture]

So theoretically, if you can sustain yourself as a strain then you can be it forever?

if thats the case that means tisso and neuros are like normal dinos in terms of hunger but super buff, i think only hypers have super hunger, correct me if i'm wrong

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no.
You'll probably get to a point where you literally cannot feed yourself without help of an admin

[tacit venture]

so hunger depletion accelerates over time?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[tacit venture]

only for hypers or for all of them? i remember hypers have hunger issues only because they are massive and fast so they have hyper metabolisms

[acoustic osprey]

I presume all.
But Hypers definitely exaggerated a lot more

[somber portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/858681225354018836.gif?size=32&quality=lossless

[hallow widget]

The Isle lore should be told not only through findings when you play as human, but also when you are a dinosaur - keeping a chronological 'compendium' that gets bigger the more you play.
Let's say that you add things to The Isle story:
-everytime that you find something new as human (from a simple item to the rarer rifle or just enter read a plaque on a wall or... ),
-or, as a dino, when you unlock a new skin pattern, a new strain (even simply a new growth stage),
-or eat a plant or a carcass with a specific dino (agaves could have 2 simple side stories depending if you eat them with Dryo or Pachy),
-and depending on the intelligence level of the creature, such story bound to when you play them for the first time - e.g., should be through the point of view of the creature itself.
You cannot achieve much in PvP games, but giving different ways to unlock the lore/story and through different points of view, will def add more layers to this game in my opinion.
Of course 'this compendium-like-thing' is gonna be a mess of scattered 'posts' that don't make much sense when you first start playing...
But if we ever get a true 'it makes sense - lore' it would be far away from now I guess.

I dunno if this fits here, but I don't think it is feedback on the current game state lol

[fluid zealot]

What I find fascinating is that in The Isle's lore, there's the whole thing with Primal Carnage, so there's like two different companies that engineered dinosaurs

[lament wing]

So kind of how Risk of Rain tells its lore? cause that would be cool

[fluid zealot]

I have some speculation; what do y'all reckon The Matriarch looks like?

[old stone]

it looks like many different things throughout it's life iirc

[tacit venture]

Ok so from what I'm aware of the " matriarch" takes DNA from creatures and turns into them but completely black, and really spooky

[fluid zealot]

I also know that it can get enormous, like Godzilla size

[acoustic osprey]

Well yes n no
We need more Evrima information on it

[fluid zealot]

I've been thinking somewhat about something from the trailer "Hope". "Carnage is Coming". In this world we have Apollo Engineering and Phoenix international, two organizations whom had resurrected dinosaurs, warring with one another. What I'm curious about however is if there are others out there.

[acoustic osprey]

Canon? No.
Legacy? Not sure if I remember.

But it's VERY viable that there are other organisations

[fluid zealot]

It makes me wonder what their purposes are in even resurrecting prehistoric life is. While I know Apollo sought to created the perfect Organism, it's unclear as to what Phoenix sought out.

[acoustic osprey]

You give the power of proper bio-engineering to a man.
You are giving the power of God in his hand

[fluid zealot]

It is fascinating when you think about it, Apollo despite creating monsters to throw into Tartarus, they managed to recreate prehistoric fauna with high accuracy while Phoenix essentially has made Jurassic Park-esque organisms with obvious animal DNA added to the genomes

[tacit venture]

What is this place "Tartarus" that i hear in this lore all the time and also, what's the deal with generation one and two and tribals being part dino or smth

[fluid zealot]

As far as I know, Tartarus is or was a special containment facility that contained the really nasty things worse than the dinosaurs, like the Colosssus, Reapers, Echidna and Matriarch.

[tacit venture]

echidna? thats a new one could you explain that?

[fluid zealot]

The Type-N Mastermind. this sort of telepathic humanoid monster that the tribals worship

[tacit venture]

the no-eye one?

[fluid zealot]

this thing

[ruby lotus]

think the isle lore has something to do with dinosaurs

[tacit venture]

ngl that doesn't look like an echidna lol. also i heard somewhere that the tribals are part dino or something is that true?

[ruby lotus]

turns me on a bit

[cunning portal]

I think the name is based on the Greek myth of Echidna the Mother of Monsters, since another nickname for the Mastermind is the Mother of Cannibals.

[tacit venture]

ahh i see, what's stopping the reaper or collosus from being the "father?" i think collosus is the father and reaper is that one creepy uncle

so is there a lore why evrima exists and legacy got left behind, like moving to isla spiro from thenyaw and why dinos are different like spino

[old stone]

We don't know if evrima has legacy lore as part of it's canon

Evrima could be an entirely separate thing from legacy that doesn't acknowledge legacy's existence

[fluid zealot]

What's the distinguishment between Legacy and Evrima lore?

[zealous dust]

🤨

[old stone]

We don't know, we'd have to wait till we get evrima lore

[pseudo shadow]

The Island IS the replicator

[tacit venture]

Ohhh where do the creatures " come from " is there like a giant island womb?

[granite spade]

So death pit is a secret exit of the womb.

[acoustic osprey]

Legacy lore is more complete but is now Legends
No longer is it complete canon

Evrima lore is a lot less and, at times, filled with bits from Legacy's lore to make more sense.

However, Evrima's lore (like it's development) is in progress and unstable till more information is given

[acoustic portal]

What's the lore

[lament wing]

A weird robot might be making dinosaurs for unknown reasons and there might be some scientists you are sending people onto the island to do something that we don’t know

Also there might be a dinosaur that the scientists made and it maybe can change its shape and size

[acoustic portal]

jesus

[frozen totem]

I knew TI lore was wonky but thats even more sifi!

[fluid zealot]

As far as I know, The Isle was Apollo Engineering's research project towards creating the ultimate lifeform. Their whole reasoning for even engineering dinosaurs was because they're the strongest lifeforms to ever exist. They tried with the Type-H strains, but those things escaped and proved incapable of being tamed.

However, they heard that Phoenix International had a separate incident with a similar project and realized that Phoenix's Tyrannosaurus, the Type-M or Primal Carnage Rex was basically a perfected version of the Hypo, so they did Operation: Inferno, where they raided Phoenix's islands and stole their dinosaurs

[lament wing]

(Disclaimer I don’t know the isle lore that well this is just what I’ve learned from reading this channel)

[frozen totem]

Not sure any of us know the lore entirely XD

[fluid zealot]

I probably know the most aside from the Devs

[acoustic osprey]

And it's still very wonky.

We can go off Legends (Legacy) Lore ||the above from AtomicKaiju||
which can be spliced into Evrima's lore (actual canon)

It's very unsure still we get more information from Dondi and other devs, plus in-game

so the actual "What the hell is happening in The Isle" is quite speculative as of right now.
So, take everything with a grain of salt- even things in Evrima right now- till more information canonises or debunks theories and old lore

and if you want, open the document in the pinned messages section and research.
It might pay to know some old stuff in the future

[lament wing]

Precisely why I added all the maybes possiblys and perhapses

[fluid zealot]

I do know Evrima is planned to put the Magna's at the forefront, so something to speculate is that Isla Spiro (EVRIMA) may be the Primal Carnage island

[frozen totem]

I guess its kinda maybe possibly possible that Æ lost ownership of Isla Spiro and Phoenix International claimed it

[fluid zealot]

Or the other way around

[frozen totem]

True

[river ocean]

I wonder what will happen if the matriarch eats Echidna?

[tacit venture]

Goddamn, neuro matriarch devil

[deep cairn]

I have a theory

[acoustic osprey]

No clue.
We still have little speculation.

HOWEVER, after a recent chat with our main hard surface Dev (Visual) it seems like Spiro ||at least|| has full ownership of Spiro, probably being the only human owner

that's excluding their departure, being a proper "no mans land" ||probably due to the Matriarch/whatever in Evrima||

Although, I do have to acknowledge Phoenix Corps actually existing in Evrima IS still present.

[frozen totem]

One part of me thinks that having weird humanoid dino things in The Isle doesn't fit while the other part thinks that its cool that The Isle isn't JUST dinosaurs and prehistoric reptiles

[acoustic osprey]

Sci-fi Horror.
If it fits the art style, and lore fits too, I'll be happy

[lapis cape]

omg when i get to play as a type n i will cry so many happy tears

[old stone]

No you won't, you wouldn't have eyes if you were a type N

[fluid zealot]

you'd cry with your ears and nose instead

[icy onyx]

Is legacy cannon or nah?

[old stone]

Maybe, but possibly yes'nt.

Basically, we won't know till we get more info

[icy onyx]

Ok, thanks

[acoustic osprey]

It's legends till more confirmation

[rapid chasm]

No, If it was PI's island, it would have a big white circle on the map, and 2 more. Being atriums, Plus I dont think its the right shape. although I dont know if atriums are still lore in this.

[fluid zealot]

You must remember too Spiro is incomplete as the docks are still being added

[rapid chasm]

Yes, but we can say if its the PCE island if the docks are the same.

[acoustic osprey]

Maybe

IF it is the island from PC, I presume we'll get to see some sort of old symbols. ||Less apparent than JP's park with JW||

[rapid chasm]

Yes, plus in loading screens you can see the Pi logo and the For a better tomorrow sign.

[acoustic osprey]

However, loading screens means nothing to the island.
especially seeing as we're going to have multiple official playable islands/maps

[sharp knoll]

make sense because of Magna Tyrannus

[acoustic osprey]

How Magna Tyrannus enters Spiro is unknown.

[astral charm]

Eats what now?

[sharp knoll]

Ik magna was on the lab (old dondi stream talking about evrima)

But the lab actually is the PC:G lab. Or maybe Spiro is actually not one of PC islands. Well theres AE structures and base but was actually PI there?

[fluid zealot]

Ik lorewise there's some sort of "Gateway" that allows for animals to travel between islands

[icy onyx]

All of this shit was when Spero was in the works, people

[icy onyx]

It may have been cloned by Apollo as well as Phoenix (the former of which stole genetic material from the latter), or alternatively smuggled as a live animal (less likely).
All of this is speculation though, not solid fact.

[acoustic osprey]

We still need to gather more information on Evrima on this

[tacit venture]

What's the deal with nyctatyrannus? Is that a lore thing?

[brittle geyser]

No

It's pretty much a fan made version of the tisso-rex, which is a strain like the neuro and magna. holy smokes that two minute timer is killer

[tacit venture]

So lemme get this straight too, hyper is ultimate Dino but unable to sustain itself in a natural environment, neuro is the " blind" brain boys who can control other Dino's but are generally weaker and tisso is the sneaky devil the can camouflage or go invisible or smth and matriarch is the freaky black thing that eats DNA and tribals can become the hyper, neuro and tisso

[brittle geyser]

Something like that, yuppers!

[tacit venture]

So can tribals turn into strains because I thought they just worshipped the one, like isn't the neuro tribal called the " echidna" which means mother and it symbolises the mother of cannibals

[acoustic osprey]

Depends on the actual direction of Isle Evrima's lore and who actually created strains and or what

[tacit venture]

Oh right because evrima lore is different ok

[acoustic osprey]

Well not different
It's more so undecided- we still need confirmation on things in Legacy, which will or will not be put in Evrima

[fluid zealot]

All we know based on Evrima lore is the Magnas and Hypos are definitely still a thing

[bronze hare]

Are neuros?

[next raft]

i think there will be but i have no evidence

[acoustic osprey]

Strains strains strains.

[cedar vapor]

Let's hope they come back

[acoustic osprey]

they definitely will

[cedar vapor]

Cuz I feel like i missed all the badass stuff when it was out, literally just started playing this amazing game like 3 weeks ago

[hoary compass]

the isle

[lyric spire]

he removal of oasis could kind of have a place in the lore, think about it, "once upon a time there used to be a great hangout spot, where the crocodiles, herbivores and occasionally carnivores came and hung out in this very hotspot, but one day, a long summer came, and with it came a devastating drought, which resulted in oasis turning into a desolate mudpit, where the mercenaries would throw their dump into it and turn it into their garbage spot, and as a result the dinosaurs retreated back to the rivers"

[undone grail]

Go to the first building that was released with the containers very scary and familiar sound track it sounds like the isle legacy main menu with gun shots and wake talkies and static noises and the same dinosaur noise from the main menu.

[tacit venture]

where is that?

[acoustic osprey]

Is there music for every human location?

[old stone]

I know docks had some, lots of radio sounds, with something that sounded like Morse code

[undone grail]

yes, it's the first building released with update 2

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u47oE58sG0&list=PLdMCv4l4uEb2w_30Hz049Ds35GnAWepiN&index=27
Yeah, I got this at port/docks

[undone grail]

Yeah, the same thing is at the containers building

[acoustic osprey]

yesn't

[icy onyx]

Bro wtf is this

[oblique surge]

thats the big boy colossus

[icy onyx]

Bro he seems op as hell

[old stone]

That's a small colossus

[icy onyx]

Show me the size of the largest ones

[old stone]

Size chart by dalt

[icy onyx]

Bro what the fuck it's a bloody kaiju, how the hell did it even get made and how the fuck are most things on the island not extinct yet

[old stone]

From what we know, things like colossus and strains are incredibly rare, plus it can be assumed that the replicator is constantly pumping out creatures

[icy onyx]

This is so unbelievably man, and i thought hypos were insane.

[old stone]

Btw, in case your wondering, dalt got that size from dondi saying that a full grown colossus could sling a pue over it's shoulder

[topaz lance]

Jesus fucking Christ. Hope this doesn’t get added in game

[old stone]

Even if it is added, I doubt it will be playable

[long onyx]

godzilla vs colos(sus 😳 )

[topaz lance]

Might be an admin exclusive thing. But hope they dont bring the full giant massive can throw a damn bronto over its shoulder one. Tbh it reminds me of the rancor from Star wars

[sharp knoll]

well it can even kill a puerta

[fluid zealot]

tbh from my knowledge of Legacy Lore, they had at least one kept in a special containment facility called "Tartarus"

[icy onyx]

Monkey

[icy onyx]

Judging by the size, he seems to be the same size as 2017 kong, so I'll give this one to the g man

[granite spade]

Biiiiigg Boi

[echo gazelle]

SOS signal

[acoustic osprey]

Full track here ||By me 🙂 ||

[echo gazelle]

at 0:48 it emits -...(Letter B) or -/...(TS)

[acoustic osprey]

at 0:23 it seems to have said SOS

[acoustic osprey]

Paste this in here too
Has SOS in the beginning (around 0:53)

can't hear the rest at the end, too hard due to music

[inland river]

lore theories there are humans inside the cave with the pteranodons paintings on it, and you'll actually be able to spawn inside the cave when you are able to play as humans

[tacit venture]

Interesting idea

[magic folio]

What is this chat for?

[knotty locust]

Lore theories

[frozen totem]

bit more teen kong sized so eh

[long onyx]

add godzilla to the isle

[frozen totem]

wasnt there a mod years back where it made hyper rex godzilla

[long onyx]

idk didnt have it back then

[topaz lance]

Whos the minmicult's leader?

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-discussion #offtopic-discussion (No leader. But I made it up)

[icy onyx]

Lilac is the leader of everything

[topaz lance]

lol. Some people have followed your ways if you havent seen lol

[topaz lance]

Changed my cult to piscovore cult lol. Cause Bary, Sucho, And Spino are some of my favorite dinos. disappointed with the bary from Jw. They made it to bulky.

[acoustic osprey]

i know lol

[halcyon grove]

There was also another creature called the Tisso Reaper I believe which looks somewhat like a bat and symbolizes the tisso strain

[halcyon grove]

^

[icy onyx]

This one?

[oblique surge]

Yup that’s the Reaper

[forest river]

[tacit venture]

Can't wait to play as a tisso raptor or Dilo and scare the living crap out dinos

[fresh sleet]

It looks like a humanoid nargacuga

[icy onyx]

oh yeah it does. Heard that the reaper was being entirely retconned though (i.e replaced with something else)

[old stone]

Or it's just being redesigned

[icy onyx]

I think this whole game is a bad dream from V1 map

[deep cairn]

neat

[deep cairn]

neat

[weary dragon]

hey your the guy with the theory man i wish i had one

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[river ocean]

Matriazilla

[topaz lance]

that aint colossus thats something diffrent

[weary dragon]

its shrek but its described by a blind man

[topaz lance]

lol
Wait... Thats scary

[deep cairn]

oh yes, it is nice to have a theory of my own.

[dark sandal]

godiller, that u?

[old stone]

?

[dark sandal]

The size of those kaijus it's about the same same size as godzilla

[old stone]

Godzilla is much bigger
That colossus is like, kong skull island size

[void fossil]

Just some food for thought but, trench warfare in the isle at some point?

[acoustic osprey]

If we had some sort of WW1 mod, sure.
Although I presume this is just a bug or mistake by Jace

unless...

[tacit venture]

That's outside of the playable map silly

You can only get there from being Tp'd by a server admin to there when they use admin powers to clip out of de map, not mistake just not finished 😊