isle-lore-theories

[acoustic osprey]

no it should be the same size if it was a hexagon

[hallow ruin]

same thing with aviary
it seems like if the width is 670m
the length is 765

[acoustic osprey]

the bottom side has a length of 826m
but the one next to it on its right is smaller (has a smaller wall length)

[hallow ruin]

im confused...

[acoustic osprey]

a regular hexagon's diameter should always be the same

[acoustic osprey]

oh wait ignore me

i think i'm tired

realised what i was looking out now

[hallow ruin]

we're both tired
thats the point

[acoustic osprey]

yay

but yeah
going left to right would be longer

top to bottom a bit smaller

[hallow ruin]

11pm for ya isnt it

[hallow ruin]

exactly, hmmmm

[acoustic osprey]

yeah but also working off 5 days of partying

[hallow ruin]

so, which one owas the 676?

[hallow ruin]

woah

[acoustic osprey]

the dome (smaller domes)

[hallow ruin]

no i meant, left/right or up/down

[acoustic osprey]

everything from this message and after is about Perm/Atrium

[hallow ruin]

ik ik im just asking abt the axis

this

[acoustic osprey]

#isle-lore-theories message
from this

1.5km is left to right
1.3 is up to down

[hallow ruin]

ignore perimeter.
aviary, is 676 x ?

[acoustic osprey]

that is for the small domes
just up and down
which was the same as left to right

[hallow ruin]

how, it cant be?

dome is a perfect hexagon

[acoustic osprey]

no that is Perm

[hallow ruin]

every line is 1km

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/bddb1b8b3404053a424d847919c47710
I am referring to this one

longest length on the left to right
is basically the same as bottom to up

[hallow ruin]

this is inaccurate measurment

are u counting only the base dome or the pillar type things on the outside

[acoustic osprey]

from the furthest point left

to the furthest post right

basically what i sent

[muted reef]

So AE holds the record for the largest building then

[lofty swallow]

lore

[acoustic osprey]

soon

[lofty swallow]

soon lore???

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

[lofty swallow]

incredible

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-leaving-lorax-the-lorax-leaving-meme-gif-7714964267197279021

[hushed sun]

do you guys think

that when humans are a thing in the game. some dinos will have humans on their diet list ?

[acoustic osprey]

i hope troodon does

[hushed sun]

they will get shot off the air

[acoustic osprey]

good luck, that is what i say

[valid geyser]

With the lil so very not done humans we have so far, just one Troodon can easily take down a human, even with their terrible lil guns and kicks

Plus

Shoot a gun and now everything else knows you’re here

[acoustic osprey]

the environment has mostly chest high to head high (human height) plants

plus a lot of buildings are pretty tightly packed and not very wide and open

and if they are wide and open, lots of plants and greenery filled within them

also, troodon is crazy fast
and also multiplayer servers have lag ... so...
good luck trying to kill a troodon

[valid geyser]

And when do troodons ever travel alone? If they are alone it’s not for long

Good luck trying to shoot one Troodon, much less a whole horde

[acoustic osprey]

it'll be fun
i'm down to be terrorised as a Human

better than humans being the ones terrorising dinos

[valid geyser]

Even from the lil very incomplete ones, it’s fun to be wandering at night with just a flashlight, knowing you’re being hunted, it’s horrifying but fun

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/bumblebee-theres-too-many-of-them-too-many-of-them-wheeljack-transformers-gif-24112213

I also hope Raptor has humans on their diet

Reference to Docktahs

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-larry-david-hbo-hbo-max-meh-gif-24169087

[muted reef]

Being out of a building is just asking to be mauled

I do think when humans get polished it'll be easier to melee fight but still not completely reliable

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[muted reef]

Didn't we hear that they'll spawn with a knife?

If thats true a troodon pouncing your limbs or chest shouldn't be a death sentence cause you can realistically reach it...but if it's got you by surprise or in a horde you're cooked

[hexed forge]

I mean,

Docktahs exist in lore.

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

even though Don said so, he may have changed his mind

maybe there will be a canon reference in a new glance sheet

whenever those are added

i feel like, due to us being niche, we don't really know how the devs prioritise buildings and stuff like that

versus dinosaurs

because we know 'dinos are added whenever ready'

but from the past few updates, it feels like they have made it so
yes Dinos ARE added whenever ready
BUT
extra things like reworks to the map, buildings, etc
are added on those 'dinosaur' updates

where, instead of having numbered updates
where those updates have dinosaurs and mechanics tied to THEM
(where we know what is being added, like buildings, or a specific mechanic like venom - with some potential hidden stuff)

it now feels like

we have "Dinosaur Updates"
and mechanics and QoL and/or Map changes are tied to THEM
(however, we lack a lot of understanding on what is being added besides the dinosaur itself - And those things are showed off prior. We just lack any sort of reasonable estimate of when it'll reach our hands)

of course, this is a very general point of view
this isn't always the case with these

where, instead of having numbered updates
where those updates have dinosaurs and mechanics tied to THEM
(where we know what is being added, like buildings, or a specific mechanic like venom - with some potential hidden stuff)

but the latter, the "Dinosaur Updates" bit
has very much felt like that a lot more

oh well

[hexed forge]

We had 7-8 major updates this year I think with 2 of them actually containing a dinosaur.

I wouldnt call them dinosaur updates imo.

[acoustic osprey]

we have not had that many major updates this year

[hexed forge]

Depends on what you count as major

[acoustic osprey]

adds a foundational mechanic
and/or adds a dinosaur

[hexed forge]

An update that required a HT counts as major in my book

[acoustic osprey]

i would not

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/well-agree-disagree-gif-19083826

[acoustic osprey]

i cannot, sorry

i would count a majority of the updates we've had as minor
realistically only two major
maybe three major updates (I would need to look through them all again)

especially since HT is kinda a necessity for a majority of things
because adding new assets, small or large, should always require a general stress test

alas
this year has been very contrasting over the whole of Evrima's development, at least how i have experienced it

[acoustic osprey]

no surprise though
being this change

[lofty swallow]

woah is that wheeljack in the new transformers movie? that's nuts man

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-megatron-transformers-g1-gif-18532965

[hexed forge]

I recounted,

6 major updates.

They all added/changed mechanics significantly. Some added new dinosaurs ofc. But I would still count them all as major updates

[acoustic osprey]

which updates are those

[muted reef]

I really hope they flesh out gen 2 big time. Plenty of creative freedom with how you play the characters. Maybe in the forest if cornered by a raptor you can grab some mud and chuck it in the raptors eyes to confuse it, then make a run for some bushes. Am I asking for a lot of unnecessary stuff? Yes...is it cool? Yes

[lofty swallow]

I mean what's considered a major update

[muted reef]

#isle-lore-theories message

[lofty swallow]

🤦‍♂️

[hexed forge]

1st one of the year: Massive map changes, adjusted growth values for all dinos, some stamina changes, balance changes to most creatures, and a new diet tier system... was probably the worst diet change ever imo.
2nd one of the year: A LOT of server customization features for community servers and even officials, increased performance of servers basically. Skin creator, pattern C and a few other stuff.
3rd one: Dibble, mutations etc etc, self explanatory.
4th one: Changed the entire NV system, Docks, swamp expansion, etc etc.
5th one: Diet/hunger rework, self explanatory.
6th one: Maia, etc etc.

[hexed forge]

Do not.

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-give-him-a-low-taper-fade-meme-low-taper-fade-low-tier-god-gif-5578247064056451203

[hexed forge]

Do not dare send that gif

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/low-taper-fade-ninja-fortnite-gif-8112134725931169071

[lofty swallow]

[muted reef]

You fell into that one

[hexed forge]

Its not even a trick

You just take a basic word from any kind of context and implant that meme

[muted reef]

What if it's a crazy context? Wait...crazy?

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

2nd one of the year
I wouldn't call this major

adding a third skin option isn't much
and 'server customisation' was only really turning off playables

1st one is a bit 50/50
3rd i agree
6th i agree

5th i would not
it was only adjustments

[lofty swallow]

I was crazy once

[muted reef]

Crazy enough for a low taper faed

[hexed forge]

2nd one...

I beg your pardon!!!

Turning off playables has been a thing since 6.5

[lofty swallow]

you ruined it

[acoustic osprey]

you mean RCON support then for 2nd update?

[muted reef]

They should make the skin menu a location on the map

[hexed forge]

Growth multipliers, AI density, global chat, etc

./unstuck feature

Lots of stuff

[acoustic osprey]

adding back global chat
and two added minute unofficial options isn't really good enough to compare against a whole dinosaur(s) or even foundational mechanics like nesting

[muted reef]

What if a psychopath became an EIP?

[acoustic osprey]

what if EIP is psychopath

[muted reef]

What if...EIP MAKES you a psychopath?

[hexed forge]

You become a pyschopath the longer you are an EIP.

Its literally the state of an isle player, the more you play the game the more insane you become.

LITERALLY THE MOST OBVIOUS CONNECTION FROM GAME TO LORE !!!

[muted reef]

Think about it...if murdering other things makes you have food or protection...dopamine fires

The EIP's get addicted to murder!

[hexed forge]

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-brain-meme-gif-25947987

[spark egret]

soo true😭

[lofty swallow]

Do EIP's have a form of instinct as a dinosaur?

[muted reef]

They probably develop one

[lofty swallow]

like they just become more and more insane until they practically become a dinosaur?

[hexed forge]

Probably

[muted reef]

I mean they feel everything as a normal animal would...so human instincts kick in

Survival becomes priority

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, how does instinct exist in a creature?

i am not sure on such
But
i believe it is via the brain

[lofty swallow]

gameplay/lore question, are all the dinosaurs on the island EIPs?

[lethal moat]

@woeful oasis calls this lizard brain

[hexed forge]

I dont think so

[muted reef]

Correct

Wait a minute

[hexed forge]

We dont know

[muted reef]

Oh yeah birthed dinosaurs probably aren't

[acoustic osprey]

knowing EIPs were the consciousness' in legacy, that almost has to be the same in Evrima

[hexed forge]

But I dont think they are all EIPs.

[lofty swallow]

Like EIPs are just killing eachother in a survival sense?

[lethal moat]

We don’t know for certain about normal ones either

[acoustic osprey]

therefore
how do EIPs interact with the brain?

[lofty swallow]

well you can choose to be hatched ingame

[hexed forge]

We dont know if they are all EIPs tho.

[muted reef]

Good point

[hexed forge]

Most could just be normal creatures, and only a few actually are an EIP.

[muted reef]

All the players are eip's but the AI dinosaurs aren't gonna be

[lethal moat]

I’d say that more disproves all dinosaurs having eips, than it proves normal dinos having eips

[lofty swallow]

is the player supposed to be symbolic of an EIP; dying over and over, and reliving life with our mind in a dinosaur?

[acoustic osprey]

we basically have no clue with Evrima on how dinos get EIPs
but we knew in Legacy that all dinos were replicated and therefore given an EIP
all nested creatures are a bit (?)
but we didn't really know how the replicator worked

so it was assumed the replicator has some place in nesting as well

[lethal moat]

Agreed

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[hexed forge]

I think that could be possible yea

[acoustic osprey]

in legacy?
Yes

hence Embyro Intelligence Profile (for Legacy)

[lofty swallow]

If that's the case.. how long did AE preform tests with EIPs, because all the structures ingame seem abandoned as we (the EIP) explore, has this been going on for a lot longer?

[hexed forge]

Gateway mightve been purposefully abondoned.

Atleast thats one of the theories.

"What happens if we abondon this island full of dinos and see what happens to it?"

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/theworldmayneverknow-idk-goodquestion-gif-5415227

[muted reef]

I hope that once the lore is fully developed that it's all discoverable in game

Maybe via computer logs or papers or locations or other stuff

[lofty swallow]

Did AE hold up their end of the bargain with the EIPs? Or did they just leave them on the island, to go insane.. reliving and dying the life of an animal, clawing to survive

[lethal moat]

Probably depends on exactly what the Thousand Life Contract contains

[hexed forge]

Imo,

I think it all depends on how the replicator functions

[lethal moat]

I want there to be gaps we have to fill in ourselves

[hexed forge]

Since the replicator is the thing that puts EIPs into Dinosaurs and other creatures. (Not confirmed but likely)

[muted reef]

Obviously...but how do we fill those out

[hexed forge]

Make stories up that make sense with the overall lore

[lethal moat]

With our own headcanons

[lofty swallow]

man I wish we slowly got fragments of it ingame or otherwise (like in official lore videos) , torn pages, scribbled out sentences

[hexed forge]

I would appreciate headcanons that somewhat make sense with the actual lore and not uhhh

"Godzilla attacks Gateway"

[lofty swallow]

wheres the neuro spino gif

[hexed forge]

Im saying this because someone in the community planned to do a TCAM video with a skullcrawler lol

Rival company dropped Skullcrawler onto gateway, kills 2 stegos, iirc.

[lethal moat]

“The Indominous Rex killed the ceo of GATEWAY, NOT CLICKBAIT”

[muted reef]

The island got napalmed...reference?

[hexed forge]

Jurassic Park Novel

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/bingo-cousin-eddie-christmas-vacation-you-got-it-there-it-is-gif-19530109

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-killer-dinosaur-dinosaurs-funny-gif-26497851

[acoustic osprey]

that was the case in legacy
but Evrima... yeah who knows

[lofty swallow]

I also want this but I don't want it to turn into a fnaf problem, where there's no concrete proof of anything and they're just making it up as they go so people never get the actual story right.

[muted reef]

That

[hexed forge]

Yeah same

[lethal moat]

I want small bits like “so how did blank end up at blank”
Figure it out, the game doesn’t tell you

[hexed forge]

Teleportation !!!!

[muted reef]

The fnaf community knows like 40 percent of the lore

I hope we know like 80 percent of it and fill in the rest

[hexed forge]

Elden Ring Lore (I know like 2% of it so far but I just think its neat)

A story mode for The Isle would be neat, even as a seperate game.

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair
it's lore is written by a pretty well established author

[meager junco]

That’s why he needs to start GOT and HoTD

[hexed forge]

yeah

Im not saying that "Oh look at Elden Ring!!! Such amazing lore!! Could not compare to The Isle !!!!"

Im just mentioning it because we started mentioning other lore communities

[tacit grail]

How come im on an evirma server and I cant see my coords when pressing tab but my friend can?

[lethal moat]

You have streamer mode enabled in your settings

[lofty swallow]

Always wondered what that did, never saw a difference

[hexed forge]

It also hides what server you are on, including the playercount.

[lofty swallow]

yeah I can see how that'd help

[sullen canopy]

Where is the isle located.

[snow jasper]

somewhere

but certainly not where you are now

[lethal moat]

Dunno

[lofty swallow]

There's not really a way of knowing, there's plants from all sorts of different places on gateway, feels like a sort of greenhouse in the middle of nowhere for AE to experiment on.

[hexed forge]

Our guess still is that gateway is around in southeast Asia/Oceania.
But we dont know yea

[sullen canopy]

How many locations are planned for evirma?

like just the island or would there be a mainland secure site?

[patent ginkgo]

We don’t know

Likely more islands

[sullen canopy]

dammit...

[patent ginkgo]

A mainland region may not happen due to having to render extra stuff outside the map for little gain

[hexed forge]

In legacy there were meant to be 5 islands/maps iirc

[patent ginkgo]

But mods will always be an option

[hexed forge]

@acoustic osprey Can correct me on this one

[acoustic osprey]

Recode

[hexed forge]

So there might be 5 maps in Evrima too, who knows

[hexed forge]

oh there were meant to be 5 for Evrima?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hexed forge]

wah oh

[sullen canopy]

...how much development has been progressed on evirma since launch?

[hexed forge]

Mapwise?

[sullen canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-27464430

[acoustic osprey]

about 5 years

[sullen canopy]

youtubing a game development tutorial

[hexed forge]

If spiro is truly being reworked by Jace behind the scenes.

I think theres a solid chance of us having another map.. "soonish"

[acoustic osprey]

you mean another map soonish?

[hexed forge]

yes

fixed it

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[hexed forge]

I just wish for Don or another dev to confirm it

Unless its meant to be a surprise for the 10 year anniversary which would be nice..

[patent ginkgo]

Surprise! The horrible map is back! But wait, it’s awesome now!

[lethal moat]

Spiro but cool

[hexed forge]

yay

[lofty swallow]

Turning the man river and 2 plains areas and turning it into a sort of canyon would be awesome

[muted reef]

I wonder if there will be a crosshair for gen 2 or sight only

Sight only is the better option imo

[muted reef]

Wonder if it's arid or tropical still

[acoustic osprey]

likely no crosshair

and i hope so

[hexed forge]

Arid would be interesting

[muted reef]

Yeah

Force them fps players to actually look at their weapon

Also I maybe if you're injured there could be a slight sway to your weapon

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-let-loose-bombing-run-bombardeo-comandante-commander-gif-25764239

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

[lofty swallow]

not sure if this is what you guys are talking about but for guns; I really hope there's a similar aiming system to dayz, aiming down your iron sights would be amazing. Laser-scoped modern snipers are boring

https://tenor.com/view/video-games-ps3-360-first-person-shooter-ironsights-gif-6372377714212384681

[lofty swallow]

(as opposed to just having a crosshair in the middle of the screen and it shrinks when you hold rmb)

[lethal moat]

Hell let loose, the game I used as an example, does it well

[acoustic osprey]

more so talking about in general tbf

[lofty swallow]

Yeah or having to imagine where the bullet would shoot without aiming into any scope would also be cool

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah, having no actual screen crosshair is best imo

fitting of the hardcore and horror survival feel

[lofty swallow]

Yeah I'm not that big of a fan of UI aiming, I want the gun to tell me where to shoot

[acoustic osprey]

yea

[muted reef]

Picking stuff up as gen 2 should be a minigame. There should be a keybind for each finger to grip down on a knife or such, then you have to actually move your mouse to attack. Peak realism people!

[acoustic osprey]

no

lol

[lethal moat]

Name one practical reason you would ever hold a knife in a reverse grip

[acoustic osprey]

handing it to others

[muted reef]

No no no you've got it all wrong!

When you click one the knife drops...and then you look down, move your hand with your mouse to the knife, move other hand with your mouse to the knife, place it on your hand, and click and hold all the keybinds to grip your fingers

I have played a game exactly as I describe here it was horrible

Anyway how much do we actually have on gen 2 lore wise

Do we know for sure they're genetically enhanced

Or are they almost completely identical to humans with a very slight tell

[lethal moat]

I do think that’d be taking realism too far

[muted reef]

I'm joking of course

Anyway, what do we genuinely have on gen 2 info

[acoustic osprey]

hope and dreams

plus a few artworks with them in it
but not focused around them

[muted reef]

If you had to guess, are they genetically enhanced and what is their tell of difference from a person

[lethal moat]

My guess is yes, and I think their chiseled physique is a good indicator

[muted reef]

Definitely more of a survival physique rather than a strength physique

Also...we actually have another tell they're enhanced

[lethal moat]

I want gen 2 have some sort of tracking chip

[muted reef]

Comparing their speed to other animals they're around 15 miles an hour in sprint speed...they hold that for 18 minutes

I can barely hold that for one

So their legs are probably relatively strong

[acoustic osprey]

besides with Rumple said, likely no physically
but maybe something added on 'post'?

i'm thinking something visual, thinking visual like the character from ARK has that thing in his arm (I have no idea what it does, but talking about something along those lines VISUALLY)
or something within the skin
like a unique biotrace?

but something 'within' would definitely mean, though, it is harder to tell at first glance
and a lot of things based around survival revolves around first glances
so... yeah

not that i mean to say we'll ever get Human v Gen2 playables
i 99.99% doubt that ||at least from what we can gather||

[muted reef]

Dondi said there is a difference correct

[lethal moat]

Or we could have been wrong this whole time

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of what?

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/release-me-far-cry-5-crying-screaming-nutting-gif-7759256987725887902

[lethal moat]

Biotrace mainly

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
I don't really mean to infer biotrace as being explicitly something like what we think of such

ignoring the name of biotrace
there has to be some way of identification
especially with Gen2s

[acoustic osprey]

we at least know they are two seperate things
humans and Gen2s

There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story ...

[muted reef]

Wonder if it's something to do with the eyes

Could be anything

And all we can do is think

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

unless Gen2s are truly just AE's way of exact cloning Man

[muted reef]

Maybe they're different vocally

Maybe they can't speak

[lethal moat]

And the existence of the eyeless as a sort of gen 1.5 implies that gen 2 are also manufactured

[muted reef]

We don't have confirmation on if they can speak I just realized that

[acoustic osprey]

to be fair, their name kinda also infers that as well

[acoustic osprey]

they can knowing VC will exist

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/evrima-server-the-isle-anime-computer-gif-23001807

Forgor

How much does gen 2 weigh

[acoustic osprey]

iirc, 90kg

[lethal moat]

If we get into the nitty gritty of population control and potentially using EIPs as a fountain of youth, Gen 2 can absolutely be nearly genetically identical for the sake of perfection as long as you make them incapable of reproducing to avoid genetic flaws and variation

[muted reef]

Thought it was 80 somethin

[muted reef]

They have dicks

[lethal moat]

That isn’t the same though

[muted reef]

Why not make them without that

[acoustic osprey]

not to get into it for rules sake
but we don't know if it is the 'whole package' so to speak

#1205981060194893855 message
here for a sec

[lethal moat]

Maybe it’s easier, I’d really avoid that specific part, but if you consider profit from control, if AE could also potentially control “reproduction” by limiting population growth and just rebirthing the same people over and over, you can ensure you will always have enough resources (which you also make)

Short and sweet, population control of humans by calling it immortality, to ensure you will always have customers and that those customers will always be dependent

[acoustic osprey]

and, of course in reflection, it is hard to comment about humans generally here
seeing as we have no idea on their purpose, that being Gen2s especially

[lethal moat]

By nature of how adaptable humans are, it could be quite literally anything tbh

[acoustic osprey]

quite true, quite true

we can kinda narrow that down seeing as we've heard of some stuff from AE
but basically that only trims it down very very minimally

even then, as you said, it can still be quite literally anything

[lethal moat]

I do also think intentional alteration of gen 2 to better fulfill specific roles, like Delta Squad or Bad Batch from star wars, would not be out of the question

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, i can start seeing that originate in Gen1s and into Gen2s as well

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/l4d2-l4d-left4dead-gif-22632590

These ones are really good at jumping, these are the frogmen, these guys have massive burrowing talons, etc

Adaptability and specialization working in tandem is an extremely powerful combination

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

[hallow ruin]

tyrannosaurids in general or at least alberto
also rugops

[hallow ruin]

85

[acoustic osprey]

thanks

[hallow ruin]

yw

[hexed forge]

For gen1, right?

I just can't see gen2 having variations like those tho.

Variations in gen2 could be maybe like,

Body size?

Slim gen2 = less health but faster speed and more stamina
Overweight gen2 = more health but less speed and less stamina?

Or it could be interesting to just have these differences while playing as a gen2. Eat too much? Become overweight, etc.

But since they are genetically engineered so maybe it's just impossible(health-wise?) for them to become weaker or stronger than their initial designed power and speed. Well uh, unless that gen2 has a broken leg or something else.

[knotty locust]

nah I don’t foresee variations for gen 2s

[hexed forge]

Yeah that's probably the best bet lol

Very difficult to think of variations for them

[knotty locust]

wouldn’t make sense to me, since gen 2s seem to be the standard human looter shooter/survival experience

If they were more military focused, then you could simply have different equipments/classes

[hexed forge]

Different starting gear I suppose

[lofty swallow]

to stab

[lethal moat]

It’s much more efficient to just

https://tenor.com/view/stab-funny-cute-simple-meanie-gif-22207866

[lofty swallow]

nonono, full shoulder support is less hard on the wrists

[lethal moat]

So raise your arm up, leaving your torso vulnerable, and slash down, continuing to expose your body and your arm in order to stab once, when you could just poke em

[lofty swallow]

I think we've failed to establish the details of the fight, is it guy with knive vs guy with knife

[lethal moat]

It’s still better to hold it forward, you can slash and stab, whereas reverse grip you can only stab

There is no practical way reverse grip can out compete a normal way of holding a knife, it has longer range, more ways to attack, and is generally safer

[lofty swallow]

yeah but if you hold it forward you're not getting nearly as much energy as you would stabbing with reverse grip, plus a combat knife is like 16 inches long right?

I feel like most fights would be over in a matter of seconds

[lethal moat]

That is extremely large, like machette sized

[lethal moat]

And normally holding a knife is faster

You don’t need as much energy with a knife, it’s not a bludgeoning weapon

[hexed forge]

Reverse grip into the guys neck

But holding it forward is more practical yes

[lethal moat]

You can still just stab

[lofty swallow]

stab where though

[hexed forge]

Opponent 100% dies with that neck stab,
Depending on where he stabbed me on my torso, I have a higher likely chance to live

[lofty swallow]

exactly

[hexed forge]

But still !!

Rumple is still kind of correct.

Holding it forward is more practical if you cant get a clear neck hit.

[lofty swallow]

oh yeah for sure

I'd just throw it

[hexed forge]

[lethal moat]

As someone who threw knives for 2 years
Don’t do that

[lofty swallow]

axe?

what if I got a crossbow

[lethal moat]

Also not a good option

[lethal moat]

That’s meant to throw stuff, but both axe and knife have a solid chance of you giving up your weapon for a medium sized bonk, then they run at you

[lofty swallow]

I think I should just invest in a gun probably

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/combat-shotguns-are-based-brandon-herrera-meme-gif-8444490367713575093

[hexed forge]

No fun in that

Unless its life or death

[hexed forge]

This is the EIP of AUGUSTUS in his human form

Before he became an EIP

[lethal moat]

Brandon is chill

[lofty swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

sigh

lore

[hushed sun]

i am hearing memes about rugops

[hexed forge]

Potential human hunter

[lofty swallow]

Do you guys think guns will leave locational bullet wounds on dinosaurs?

[hexed forge]

Hopefully

[acoustic osprey]

the only variation, in-game, would be potentially lifestyles you can choose with your Gen2s
but outside of that... maybe

[acoustic osprey]

the thing is
it is pretty hard to balance stuff like that in non-fps scenarios

but, still, we're yet to really see what Gen2s really do in-game and in-lore
so who knows

[opaque aspen]

Herrera will be a menace to humans

[acoustic osprey]

me too

(i will be a human menacing humans)

[hexed forge]

Holy based

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/kids-knight-duel-children-fight-gif-25459652

[lofty swallow]

Give me a Glock and I'll be good to go.

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-to-need-a-gun-john-wick-keanu-reeves-john-wick-chapter4-im-gonna-need-a-weapon-gif-27140431

[lethal moat]

I think lorecord getting a small group together could be a fun thing for caravan style gameplay

[hexed forge]

I would love to be a collector.

Just killing everyone and then placing every single weapon/item/gear in my small hut in the corner of the map

https://tenor.com/view/meme-collection-robot-gif-12434608

[icy onyx]

so skibidi

[acoustic osprey]

https://youtu.be/BkR83fxKOFs?t=593
9:53

on the topic of EIPs

'[you are a person] locked in a control room'

brings me back to what Don sent with the song of 'my body is a cage'

[lofty swallow]

Like bandit style? ride around and take everyones' stuff?

[lethal moat]

Not necessarily, we can be a wandering trade caravan, defend ourselves, but don’t fire first

[lethal moat]

Depends

If you aren’t able to watch the monitor, are you even there? A sort of, if a tree falls and nobody hears it

[lofty swallow]

That's cool, that'd actually be awesome to explore in a jeep as humans

[lethal moat]

Set up a main base at the docks or something, and have squads go out to explore other bases

[acoustic osprey]

that monitor, in question, is just what you call the sense that is 'your vision'/eyesight

generally, what i find interesting in this part of the video, is the end bit

which refers to what happens when you lose all of these things (your senses)?

[lethal moat]

I suppose it matters quite a bit if you ever had the monitors at all

[acoustic osprey]

essentially, what happens when you die

[acoustic osprey]

do you see?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

in the video, your vision is symbolised as the monitor

not that there is a monitor inside your head that magically is allowed to see
just that your eyes = a monitor(s)

the thought process more so being about this
#isle-lore-theories message

especially with EIPs

what happens when an EIP is taken out of their body? (assuming EIPs come from humans)

but generally even then with any animal that profile is within

[lethal moat]

Right, then it matters what an EIP is, is it a continuation of a conscious mind, a copy, or a replacement?

[acoustic osprey]

the existence of EIPs being replacements rather than semi-continued (to any extent) feels juxtaposed to the existence of needing EIPs
looking at the thousand life contract, knowing that it still semi-exists at the moment. At least, Don has not 'extra recently' unconfirmed such

if there is no need to have a continued EIP
why have there a need for such?

of course, we can't really assume exactly what they are in Evrima
but i doubt they've been dramatically changed from Legacy to Evrima

because, why keep the name?

[lethal moat]

I doubt an EIP would be “active” while in storage, just numbers and data and whatnot, not processing anything, just the instructions on how to make something of processing, if that makes sense, like how a CAD file of a toy is not an actual toy

[acoustic osprey]

we do know
that EIPs are intelligence

as the video quotes, being a general thought of how such could work
"one day the monitor turns off ... you'd just be sat there in the dark"

When you die as an EIP
what happens to you?

this is not supposed to be answered
just felt in tandem with what Don sent ages ago now

[lethal moat]

Taken out of the room maybe

Might just be something left unanswered

[acoustic osprey]

oh yes

it is pretty rhetorical

because no one can answer that question in real life, of course

it is optimistic, because it assumes after we die (even if there isn't any sort of afterlife) that we still 'exist'

but, under the legacy understanding of EIPs and presumably through to Evrima, EIPs would have some sort of 'afterlife'

that being
there was more than one life you live

therefore how would an EIP express/feel/see/anything the transition from death to anew

i wouldn't mind though
once we learn about EIPs a lot more

[lethal moat]

I suppose it matters if the storage of the EIP is instructions to make a profile, or if the storage is the EIP itself

[acoustic osprey]

something about that
even if it is a small note/comment/mention by an EIP in-lore through any method

just depends on how EIPs work etc

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
EIP would be a profile
being in the name

[lethal moat]

Right, but is that still what it is when it doesn’t have a body

[acoustic osprey]

are you inferring an EIP hivemind?
as in
there is only one EIP
just that EIP basically 'lives' every life at once (or whenever and however)

i can imagine that being very horrifying

[lethal moat]

I’m saying the state in which an EIP exists can change, and therefore it makes sense that what the EIP experiences and how it exists could also change

[lofty swallow]

Sign me up, trading food and ammo for guns and water sounds awesome

Also, I wonder how car physics will work via dinosaur attacks

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/lawrence-of-arabia-te-lawrence-peter-o'toole-sylvanshine-loa-gif-5121442723136167997

[lethal moat]

Take an EIP offline when it’s not being used to prevent wear, and potentially save money on energy, instructions to make an engine consumes a lot less energy than an actual engine

[acoustic osprey]

not too sure i understand what you're getting at

[acoustic osprey]

that is the thing though
how do you 'shut down' intelligence (therefore consciousness)

how literal would the term "embryo" be for EIPs though?

as a general thought

because, i don't really recall us ever getting a definition in Legacy
strange

[lethal moat]

I’ll try and break it down in a more literal sense,

Lets say you think “Lets eat a sandwich”
The individual impulses that led to think that such as the understanding of language, what a sandwich is, the ability to eat, the ability to feel hunger
Those do not constitute a thought on their own
If you take those parts, disconnect them, and store them, then it is not a thought, it is silent impulses that result in nothing, therefore no understanding and no outcome, so the storage if a complete consciousness does not mean what is being stored is conscious

[acoustic osprey]

embryo could be anything

life can be, to an extent, written on a computer through code
but it is very complex
can AE do this?

or have they physically produced the mind?
imagining some sort of wet-brainish solid slime

[lethal moat]

An embryo is also composed of parts that on their own are not considered to be something that grows

[acoustic osprey]

are you talking about the subtextual and subconscious aspect that is brought when you make a thought?
i.e. you refer to eating a sandwich, this aspect you refer about being the assumed knowledge that the person has when making this thought?

what a sandwich is, the ability to eat, the ability to feel hunger

therefore you mean to say that EIPs, when taken 'out' (in however and whatever context) are more so put in a place of disconnect
as if putting the mind in a state of nothingness
like literal nothingness? Basically pure chaos until x or y, etc exists? (being when an EIP is then put back 'in')

if so, reminds me of 'the void' in Doctor Who

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

basically the in-between 'space' (or lack thereof) between universes

outside of time and space, etc

i.e. in a more critical thought
a theoretical heaven / afterlife-esque moment of existence that has no existence, no perception of time, etc

if you were to exist there
there wouldn't really be 'existing' because existing would infer that time has elasped and you have dwelled there for 'x' amount of time and (presumably) for even more for however long you are there

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

yeah i can see that with EIPs

a way of 'snapping back into reality'

i can imagine it being a bit like how reincarnation could work irl

you are reborn
you have everything you remember from your past life

but, uh oh, look at your brain
underdeveloped and unable to contain all these 'old' and growingly unfamiliar and unnecessary memories

therefore your brain either forgets them
replaces them with new and more 'relevant' memories

[lethal moat]

That’s more or less my assumption on what EIPs are

[acoustic osprey]

with the chance of some memories potentially even being slightly burnt into the subconsciousness
bringing about some sort of 'instinct'

[acoustic osprey]

i can imagine that

i sounds more natural than just AE wiping out memories each round for no (apparent) reason, in my opinion

[lethal moat]

And I also consider it the best way to keep a profile as true to the original as possible, while letting it change naturally

No perception of being transferred, just the living life one after another

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't really say the profile stays as 'true' to the original though
but it is very much ship of theseus-esque
realistically, (presuming this would be how it would work) the only thing 'true' to the original would be the identification ||name, etc|| of the EIP

[lethal moat]

True

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah
another day, another isle

[lethal moat]

I just find it a but more abstract, and potentially more likely

[acoustic osprey]

i do feel like it is one of those things which i feel like might get mentioned in the future
because it feels significant to talk about in-lore on EIPs
as i believe the process of how EIPs 'exist' might be relevant for the Scientists to study

or at least, interesting to study

why develop/create EIPs if not to study how such EIP(s) exist?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/why-for-what-monkey-confused-gif-2227785687963350743

What is the point of eips even

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1282812242538139668/LilDino.gif

if only lore could lore a bit more 😔
soon

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-beg-begging-jerry-begging-jerry-begs-gif-26592079

[icy onyx]

😔🙏

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-saul-saul-goodman-cinnabon-gene-takovic-breaking-bad-gif-18604515

i have a lot of 'i wonder when' thoughts for when potential lore stuff can come
but there is no reason to really ask

we just get 'em when we get 'em

[lethal moat]

New year new lore
This time for sure will be a good one

[valid spade]

gene takovic mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-saul-goodman-bob-odenkirk-gif-8742926

[icy onyx]

Walter White couldnt have done it without him

https://tenor.com/view/waving-emoji-yellow-waving-emoji-fast-waving-yellow-emoji-gif-2616820770356227063

[acoustic osprey]

exactly

[hexed forge]

I'm hoping for a rex lore video with its HT release

[low scarab]

im hoping for lore videos.

[hexed forge]

Safest way to hope

SoonTM

[icy onyx]

lore living roadmap

pt.2

[hexed forge]

soon..

[acoustic osprey]

Did herrera have a ht?

Because i'm curious if there was a video before or after the ht

Not like knowing this information will really help

[hexed forge]

It had a Stress test with Dilo

Started around in Early december I think

So no,

Did not release around its ST

[acoustic osprey]

Well a month before

[hexed forge]

I mean, we were pretty much expecting it to release near the end of the year.

[old raven]

[acoustic osprey]

I do prefer these videos being released before they are played by the public

As a teaser

I assumed we would've gotten one for maia, but I suppose either they didn't get around to one or Don wasn't interested

(Being that rex is around the corner)

Saying that
I'm hoping we may just get a 'big one' (or some good stuff) for rex drop

Being, yknow, the prestige of rex and also dean and shirley

[hexed forge]

I still think that when we were getting Dean And Shirley lore there was a rex video in the works during that time.

Butttttt---- This is just heavy copium.

[hexed forge]

I mainly hope for one with the release of something because of a potential lore hunt

Heavy copium going on with me and lore

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, we've never had that but maybe
although, it is rex
i'd assume there would be a teaser

marketing over lore

not like we cannot have lore hunt with it though, even if the trailer comes 'earlier'

(looking at Dibble video)

although, yes, releasing it with the update would be great for ease sake

[hexed forge]

yea

[acoustic osprey]

rather than wait and hope that one will be in 'the next hotfix/patch'

that is presuming we can identify that a lore hunt may exist via a trailer

unless Don tells us there will be one

[hexed forge]

I wouldn't play it safe and assume there will be none and just wait for Don to clarify.

If there's a lore video with the release of a HT I would definitely search the map, especially wherever the video would take place.

[acoustic osprey]

i wouldn't say assume there will be none
i'd say play it cautious

look for the signs

because the sign was there in the dibble video, technically, before Don told us

[hexed forge]

The description of the video right?

[acoustic osprey]

yes

check descriptions
check locations filmed
check every frame to find any potential glitches or references to potential places

[hexed forge]

TARTARUS

lol

[acoustic osprey]

i do hope we find something that replicates that screen but with more words on it

[hexed forge]

I thought it wouldve been part of this slide no?

Or does it not match.

[acoustic osprey]

not really

it looked like this

specifically with the logo noticeable on the left

[hexed forge]

oh true

[acoustic osprey]

yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1273043740726136843/image.png?ex=67746e5f&is=67731cdf&hm=e0cb011725ad3b43189d01267a43b8fb70fab72a250c045f92adbbc8e3f1affc&

painfully with only the word Tartarus as well
annoying

[hexed forge]

lol

[acoustic osprey]

what was the timestamp for it again
going to put it on the lore doc

[hexed forge]

I have no clue

[acoustic osprey]

found it woohoo

[hexed forge]

Nice

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-god-of-war-gif-11309961016585129914

We have no lore

[hexed forge]

Lets hope for 2025 to be a good lore year.

Maybe we get some nice things for the 10th anniversary.

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

[lofty swallow]

ben.

[hexed forge]

@ornate comet

[mental dagger]

I think the reason for the dome and all that stuff is because this isle where outposts for jurassic park and it was lead by a sub company of In Gen...

[ornate comet]

YEAAAAHHHH

[hexed forge]

Jurassic Park does not exist in The Isle

They do not connect.

[mental dagger]

Okay thank you

[muted reef]

There most definitely is inspiration from it

[hexed forge]

The Isle is inspired off of multiple franchises I think,

But JP probably is the main inspiration yeah

[mental dagger]

thats correct I mean they use the sounds of jurassic park

[muted reef]

Human stuff is inspired off tarkov right

[muted reef]

Only on one creature

[mental dagger]

the raptor sounds are from jurassic park the big dinos sound also like jurassic park... I mean I don't blame them I like it...

[lofty swallow]

I mean yeah, you can't blame them for thinking that, just look at omni

[muted reef]

Only the raptor has jurassic park sounds

[lofty swallow]

Also there's close to nothing revealing any lore in game aside from the few dinosaur sheets and a couple other things

[muted reef]

It doesn't take much common sense to know the game takes place in modern time

[acoustic osprey]

excluding world building

[acoustic osprey]

(JP also does as well)

[mental dagger]

By the way Is there a lore reason why humans are disabled on almost every server?

[acoustic osprey]

no lol
just because they aren't even properly developed yet

[mental dagger]

Xd okay thanks

[muted reef]

I wasn't saying that was a way to differentiate the two, just saying it because some people think the game is prehistoric

[hexed forge]

People clearly travelled back in time

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/free-birds-thanksgiving-they-go-back-in-time-to-the-first-thanksgiving-to-get-turkeys-off-the-menu-turkeys-schaffrillas-gif-27124411

[mental dagger]

🤣

[hexed forge]

I need to find that one clip hold on

Actually I dont even think I can post it in here due to rules.

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[hexed forge]

thanks

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/free-birds-jake-this-guy-right-here-this-guy-turkey-gif-19486509

[lofty swallow]

Is it the glute one

[muted reef]

No it was just earrape

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1183969838935310447/1227050611195908248/togif-19.gif

WHAT

[lofty swallow]

What does that have to do with freebirds though

[muted reef]

It was a freebirds discord call and they all screamed when he said the line

[lofty swallow]

Ah I see

[hexed forge]

yeah

[hallow ruin]

AINT N WAY

[lethal moat]

How did you not know this, I bring it up every time we discuss tartarus

[hallow ruin]

you did not

this is literally the first time i know about this tho i've seen so many dibble TC stuff

[hallow ruin]

i think im just unlucky with timing

[sand dust]

Hi guys, is this server the official The Isle server? Does anyone know which one is Evrima's?

Because guys, I'm from Brazil, and I don't understand your English very well, but I admire it a lot. You guys are really cool, yes, I'm fluent in English, but I'm still learning to read.

So if you send me messages in English please translate, Thank you!

[paper oracle]

this is both legacy and evrima's discord server

[icy onyx]

very skibidi sigma lord name

[lone socket]

nah i think they just got bad spawn luck

[hexed forge]

What are you guys hoping for 2025 lorewise?

Mine goes like:
-Another mini-lorehunt perhaps
-GUTS stuff with UI stuff.
-Glance sheets

[lethal moat]

I’d like basic human functionality in tandem with GUTS

[hexed forge]

When they do release humans.

I really hope they release them fully.

I dont want them to release with basically, no "Special" mechanics

[acoustic osprey]

lore wise i can see GUTS starting to come
Shirley and Dean lore (begins)
and 'glance sheets' (as much as a not really like calling glance sheets lore)

[acoustic osprey]

this is The Isle we're talking about

[ornate comet]

Trail cams

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-happy-laughing-crying-i-cant-even-gif-24163733

It just wouldnt feel good..

If they do do it in steps.

I atleast hope they dont leave any major bugs or just half-effort a mechanic lol

Kind of like the guns right now

Having 3 shooting modes

[hexed forge]

More like, world-building lore I suppose? (The glance sheets)

[meager junco]

Shirley/rex lore
Maybe an introduction to strains, not models or anything, just something related to them
And hopefully something about the underground stuff(GUTS,facilities, ect…)

[acoustic osprey]

a bare minimum of such

[muted reef]

I want backstory

[hexed forge]

If we dont get a Rex lore video I would be very surprised

[acoustic osprey]

like, they add a bit of character to the dinosaurs
but yeah. They are a bit simple

[hexed forge]

It is, rex, after all

[muted reef]

The backstory to gateway is what I'd be good with

[hexed forge]

What do you mean backstory..?

[muted reef]

What happened on the island

[hexed forge]

Oh the incidents

[muted reef]

Yes

[hexed forge]

ehhhh, maybe

[meager junco]

I’m curious how the video will be made tho,
Will it be kind of like Augustus, or more like dibble? Or perhaps something completely different

[hexed forge]

Hopefully no GW_F5

[acoustic osprey]

or maybe confirming what it is ...

[meager junco]

If we see H4 again as well I’ll scream

[hexed forge]

Well H4 is less mysterious than F5

We have some pretty good theories on H4

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[hexed forge]

Butttt-

Shirley was heard around H4

[meager junco]

It’s just not there tho

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
it still fits the location it is supposed to be

and the current map has a road to 'where it should be'

[meager junco]

But the area seems to fit, I haven’t checked the location in a minute tho

[acoustic osprey]

(environmentally, geographically, etc)

it just isn't (either anymore and not yet) in our build

[hexed forge]

Or just never was

[meager junco]

Hopefully it’s still in the area we theorized it to be

Even if it’s not exactly the same spot

[hexed forge]

Turns out to be in the place F5 is meant to be

[meager junco]

AHHH

[acoustic osprey]

i doubt it 'didn't exist'
but seeing as it had no actual interior shots of it in the game
It likely had some props placed there just not a whole layout

[hexed forge]

Like a title over the location.

Similar to what we see in some streams

[acoustic osprey]

no

[meager junco]

I’ve always wondered if that base that was underground east of the island was maybe part of the base we saw on Augustus

[hexed forge]

It would make sense for Don to mark it

[ornate silo]

The devs are in the thick of it.

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/from-the-screen-to-the-ring-the-the-pen-to-the-king-ksi-gif-12257927774644906851

[hexed forge]

Why

[acoustic osprey]

potentially but that is not what i would imagine for it originally

[hexed forge]

hmmm

[meager junco]

Like I said it’s maybe a possibility to see H4 again with Shirley seeing as she was heard in the areas
I’ll just be happy to finally get a Rex lore video

[hexed forge]

mhm

[acoustic osprey]

(and F5 would be close to H4, geographically. So...)

[meager junco]

Maybe Shirley likes the western parts of the island

Or was released around there

[hexed forge]

Thats if F5 and H4 are part of the same grid system, which would make sense so.

But.... F5...

[acoustic osprey]

I mean they both use
GW_F5
GW_H4

[hexed forge]

Well we does see Rex's in the northeastern part of the map, if you classify the trailers as some sort of lore involvement
I wouldnt but yeah

[hexed forge]

Correct, but

You know...F5...

[acoustic osprey]

no i don't know

[hexed forge]

The location on the TCAM does not match is what Im trying to say

[meager junco]

Well if there’s multiples rexs alive at once, they don’t share territory, they most likely are pretty spread out with some in the east, some in the south, and some in the north as well as some in the west

[acoustic osprey]

we do know there is meaning to F5
but it uses the same naming convention as H4

[hexed forge]

yea...

[hexed forge]

Other Apex carnivores do not exist

Shirley made them all extinct.

[meager junco]

Gateway is Shirley’s kingdom

[hexed forge]

wah oh

[lofty swallow]

loer

[meager junco]

But fr i would really like to see Dean as well just cause, if they both have somewhat unique models, that would be very neat
Since Dean is somehow impaired and Shirley is supposedly a bigger/stronger Rex than an average Rex is

[lofty swallow]

By the way who is Dean and Shirley?

[meager junco]

Shirley at elder stage: 15 tons

[meager junco]

Two of the first rexs

[lofty swallow]

Are they EIPs?

[meager junco]

Either on gateway or generally some of the first rexs ever made

[hexed forge]

Well if Shirley was replicated and thats why we have a larger rex than Legacy. Then they would technically look the same, but you could add on some scars.

[meager junco]

Not sure but possibly as they’re named

[meager junco]

That would make sense tbh
Shirley is the template for rexs which is why our Rex is on the higher estimates

[hexed forge]

yep

[meager junco]

Although it isn’t the highest estimate, some go to 11 tons which is crazy but possible, if Shirley is one of those rexs, then she’s definitely a monster Rex

[muted reef]

Wonder if shirley became a hyper at some point

[meager junco]

I think it’s probably more along the lines
That Shirley was used to possibly start hyperendocrine strain research

And Dean most likely neuro research

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-madagascar-pelicula-movie-fifty-fifty-gif-18212846

[meager junco]

It’s hard to say, but I’ve always felt like Shirley was tied to strains because she was thought of in like 2015 or something as don told us once, and strains are one of the oldest ideas connected to the isle

[muted reef]

They were literally in the pre released version of the game that beaver played

The menu

Cant find it but this is the first isle video he made after it https://youtu.be/-HWvAHsKE7A?list=PLSm-wfYUNpcDX3BqKz36xRxHDg4_9lGOb

Literally when you open it theres a hyper

[lofty swallow]

Looked like a roblox game back then

[meager junco]

Yeh hypo_rex was one of the options at the end of the progression menu

And yeh it was called hypo_rex iirc

[acoustic osprey]

hypo_tyrannosaurus

[meager junco]

^

There ya go

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OM5lhfJ3qM&t=23s
this is his oldest video catag

[muted reef]

Yeah that one

Couldnt find it

[acoustic osprey]

man i remember being in malta watching this video lol

[meager junco]

“Why do I fire red squares?!”
Love beaver in this era

[hexed forge]

The music in the background lol

https://tenor.com/view/dog-happy-dog-tail-wagging-dog-smiling-hello-gif-9499658524271519020

[acoustic osprey]

2014 called...

[hexed forge]

I wonder if you can still download that version of the game

[lofty swallow]

I mean modders dived into the source code and got the old versions and they can even play on them now

[meager junco]

Prob only by datamining and finding the version

[hexed forge]

yeah

[lofty swallow]

no way to "naturally" do it I'm sure

[hexed forge]

You can play the old versions of evrima, the issue is that you need to set up a server somehow

Even legacy too

Legacy however you can host your own server so thats a nice way to play the old versions

[acoustic osprey]

depends on what branch that was
Pretty sure that is the demo version of the game

so you'd need to own it to get it legally

[hexed forge]

Damn

[muted reef]

Og beaver was amazing

I wonder if there will be an island with gen 2 and gen 1, but no dinosaurs

is there an island with dinosaurs and both gens?

[acoustic osprey]

maybe

probably a lot less likely

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
i believe there will be

[muted reef]

Don said no real humans, gens, and dinosaurs right? That means gens and dinosaurs is on the table

[acoustic osprey]

There is no island that has Gen 1s, Gen 2s, dinosaurs and standard functional human beings on it inside of the story

specifically and standard functional human beings

[deep cairn]

Is an island with gen 1 and gen 2 and dinos lore wise different than on an official server?

[lethal moat]

Unofficials can do what they like

[acoustic osprey]

^

[muted reef]

So gen 1s, gen 2s, and dinosaurs can all coexist on one of the islands then?

[acoustic osprey]

from what Don said, pratically yes

[muted reef]

So theres possibly an official out there thats gonna have that...

[acoustic osprey]

although
not sure about 'co-exist' to some extent

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/cr1ti-ka-l-penguinz0-charlie-reddit-gold-excited-gif-18542260

[muted reef]

I just meant they're all playable

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[muted reef]

Are we thinking official rosters are gonna be canon island rosters?

Each island has a different set

Hunting island has some smaller creatures while gateway has rex or smth like that

[hexed forge]

If Apexs are going to be unofficials only, then no

[muted reef]

I doubt they will be

[hexed forge]

But otherwise maybe

[muted reef]

I think a few apexes are gonna slip into some officials

I wonder if gen 2's can eat some level of raw meat...or if they could even cook it

Kill a chicken take it to a fire

Or if food packs and plants will be the way to go

[deep cairn]

I thought the game was envisioned to have everything all at once

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of development? No

[lofty swallow]

Think gen 2s will have to worry about food? And diving deeper into that, diets? Would they have dinosaurs on their diets? As well as things like bananas, oranges, etc.

[muted reef]

Gen 2 having diet would be comical

[lofty swallow]

Just for buffs I mean, stamaina, regen, etc

[muted reef]

Nah

They don't need buffs for that stuff anyway they have insane running stats

18 minutes of stam and 1 and a half minutes of regen

They will have to worry about food itself though. Some plants will probably be edible to them, other not, but I bet theres food packages

[lofty swallow]

18 minutes of straight running stamina is nuts, no way some genetically modified human is going to have more muscle capacity than a carno

[muted reef]

We can run hours in real life

[acoustic osprey]

do it

[muted reef]

It's just that the humans in game do a full sprint for 18 minutes

[muted reef]

Correction...david goggins can

[hexed forge]

In our prime

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697910542660010086/994265202071703613/unknown.gif

[muted reef]

I've ran 20 minutes before

[hexed forge]

We became lazy

[muted reef]

Some people aren't

[acoustic osprey]

and Gen2s are in their prime 💪

[hexed forge]

Yeahhh

[muted reef]

Thats why we have goggins, dean karnazes, and some other people

[lofty swallow]

While running from a dinosaur trying to eat you?

[muted reef]

I don't see how that makes much of a difference

It helps actually because of a good old thing called...

[lofty swallow]

I'm just saying, 20 minutes of ingame stamina is crazy

[muted reef]

Adrenaline

[lofty swallow]

if you say adrenaline

[hexed forge]

Tbf running and sprinting for your life are different

[muted reef]

When you can only run half the speed of some of the slowest things in the roster it's fair

[lofty swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/tlou-the-last-of-us-joel-haha-serious-face-gif-27185125

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/im-from-the-cityyyyyy-gif-4548670119770313438

[hexed forge]

While running away from something you constantly change pace

[lofty swallow]

Yeah I'm not just talking about jogging or marathon pace, I mean like running for your life

[muted reef]

I hope that gen 2 can climb to a small degree. Nothing on the scale of gen 1

[hexed forge]

So I wouldn't say you can run for hours like that

[sonic rampart]

Give humans a brisk jog with a long run time and a "get me the hell out of here" sprint with a shorter runtime

[hexed forge]

Agreed

[muted reef]

John is very clearly enhanced human

I have a 1:11 400 meter and I was cooked for the rest of the day...meanwhile john holds that for 20 minutes and gets back up in 1 minute

[lofty swallow]

Honestly as long as they're not running 50 miles an hour, I don't think it'll be a problem, especially with most dinosaurs able to just run circles around them, no matter how much stamina they have

[muted reef]

They run 24kmh

[lofty swallow]

Yeah dryo runs faster than that

[muted reef]

I always really liked the idea of an adrenaline syringe you could find somewhere

Or yeah just 2 sprint options

The issue with that idea is that the brisk jog...is their trot

[hexed forge]

Humans definitely don't have an advantage in open fields

Wonder if we will get trip mechanics.

Trip on air while running from troodons

[lofty swallow]

Unarmed, their best bet is just to juke the dinosaur around with a better turn radius while trying to find something like an old base to hide in

[acoustic osprey]

definitely and hopefully not

[hexed forge]

Yeah lol

[muted reef]

I remember 1v1'ing a sub ish dilo as a human and let me say...the gen 2 turn radius is absolutely broken

The dilo could not hit me until I got greedy with my hits

[lofty swallow]

If we're going with multiple running modes, running for your life mode would be awesome if you could trip

[muted reef]

#general-feedback message

[lofty swallow]

Aren't humans only on the old QA servers? Or am I missing something

[muted reef]

No they are currently in game on unnoficials

This was a while ago tho back when dilo and herra were still relatively new

[lofty swallow]

Dang, are there any semi-populated servers with humans enabled?

[muted reef]

Not really it was an admin server

[lofty swallow]

dang

[muted reef]

The highest I've seen is on NOOBZ with 20 people

Which is decent for humans

[hexed forge]

Noobz is on evrima? Wow

[muted reef]

Surprisingly

[hexed forge]

Guess legacy started becoming less popular? Maybe?

[acoustic osprey]

'started'

[muted reef]

It used to be full all the time but now anytime I check in on legacy I am usually able to join with there being like 20 players slots open

[muted reef]

btw like 300 people play legacy come on lmao

It got less popular LONG ago

[hexed forge]

I see

[lofty swallow]

big community in the modding aspect, I'm betting there's double that in older versions of the game

[muted reef]

Wait...speaking of human running

#isle-discussion message

[toxic zinc]

Does the location caernarvonshire have any known connection to the isle lore?

I looked through a human base at the docs and one of the documents was a medical document and contained the name of that place

[acoustic osprey]

wales!!

but no, likely not
being that basically all documents in-game right now are from the market

[toxic zinc]

Ah ok

Just seemed oddly specific

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[muted reef]

I hope they remove all placeholder assets in the future (unless they are really not much of an impact)

[median shuttle]

Isle Discussion Youtubers make Video that isnt just rambling on speculative info and assumptions challenge - Difficulty: Extremly Hard but Possible

[muted reef]

Impossible

[median shuttle]

just realised I posted in the wrong channel but nvm

[median shuttle]

kingfisher does a good job imo

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-preoccupied-gif-14303484

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-king-prawn-drive-gif-22611409

[hexed forge]

It's The Isle

Main message

[acoustic osprey]

(placeholders)

i know they gave a reason to them in the devblog(s)

but, i find (although i completely understand why they though) the use of marketplace assets in The Isle to be wrongly justified

[muted reef]

What were they

[acoustic osprey]

||although, like I said, there are solid pros to why; like there only being one (to our knowledge) hard surface modeller on the team, therefore he can only do 'a model a time||

[acoustic osprey]

a year ago (around), iirc

[muted reef]

What

Were they

[acoustic osprey]

i don't know which devblog(s)

#isle-lore-theories message
there is an immediate reference though i can find here

[acoustic osprey]

However
I just find it a bit of a cop out in the 'worldbuilding' especially in this painfully long and awkward period of time that is Evrima
However, yes, we know that these models may be updated and the what not to better resemble the world
but the problem is how do we know that these things 100% correlate to actual Isle Lore and what does not (yet)?
(#isle-lore-theories message although still acknowledging this)

as we know there are some official model 'texts' that are still not accurate
such as some of the locker texts or the CRT model having 'joke words, etc' at the moment on them

and the CRT and locker one was addressed by Don ages ago and, however, have no been actually updated yet

of course there are better things to worry about
but it has been years since it was said - at what point does it just become forgotten and therefore these little originally 'uncanon' things (even though they're pretty small and don't really matter in the end of things) just 'become' canon due to their silence?

[hexed forge]

Give it time

[acoustic osprey]

why

[hexed forge]

Lots of time

[hexed forge]

Because this is The Isle

[acoustic osprey]

i find that just going back to this

at what point does it just become forgotten and therefore these little originally 'uncanon' things (even though they're pretty small and don't really matter in the end of things) just 'become' canon due to their silence

it is not just '2 models'
but now several marketplace assets

although i doubt we'll ever get VisualTech to replace a lot of those marketplace assets, being honest
it is just not worth the while

but giving them touch ups to properly 'relate' to a synonymous 'lore' is appreciated

[hexed forge]

I think the use of marketplace assets is okay. To just fill in the human environment a bit more.

But things like that one white board in most human bases.. yeah.. would be nice to make it more lorified rather than a copy and paste at every base.

Or the numerous documents

[acoustic osprey]

well, i mean
that is what i am talking about

however, I just feel like having quite a lot of these marketplace assets just become more negative then positive in terms of world-building overall

especially in the long run

seeing as we can't even get actual VisualTech assets updated yet

of course, this is all ignoring if Don may have an alarm or some sort of alerting system for the future that'll remind him and/or VisualTech to 'fix' these little things

[hexed forge]

Yeah its unfortunate, but, we must give it time.

Hopefully it's not forgotten

A bit more patience.

[acoustic osprey]

it has already been 2-3 years for those models

not to doomer, but I find it enough time to critique

[hexed forge]

"Time" in isle terms I mean

Anything between now and the end of the universe

[acoustic osprey]

i just feel like that sentiment is just a bit tame

but i don't know
we only have one modeller in this regard, to what we know

it is just a bit disappointing

seeing things being given but not things being changed

however, I am not really on the side of having meaning to every little detail out there in a game's lore
i find that a repercussion of theory youtubers like GameTheory, which subtly has just cried for all games to intend a certain demographic of peoples who just run through every inch of a games lore (then ultimately leave once the games life/juice ||story and worldbuilding - lore|| has been all sucked up)

[muted reef]

I hope we get organs on AI with fresh models

[acoustic osprey]

but getting some sort of idea of conformity is nice within assets

[acoustic osprey]

wrong channel sorry!!

[acoustic osprey]

but oh well

[muted reef]

erm I'm on placeholder topics and thats we are discussing

Because the type of boar, chicken, deer, etc that the ai are could play a role in the lore

Checkmate mate

[hexed forge]

Can they even change their models

Since they bought it, they would have to buy a special license for that I think

[muted reef]

Well yes they CAN

They're just marketplace assets

[hexed forge]

You need a special license to change marketplace assets that you bought iirc

[muted reef]

I'm saying they'd make their own asset

[acoustic osprey]

i have my ups and downs during periods of lore 'droughts'
ironic for me to refer to lore droughts, as if inferring Isle Lore is content needing to be given to us like an attention economy, which is exactly what i was complaining about just before

[acoustic osprey]

they can

#isle-lore-theories message

[hexed forge]

yay

[hexed forge]

I just want lore content to come into the evrima branch stable/finished

cough new east fences

[muted reef]

What

[hexed forge]

Check them for yourself if you can, I dont have the images in hand rn

[muted reef]

Are they unfinished or smth

[hexed forge]

Painfully

[muted reef]

Yikes

How so

Textures or placement

[acoustic osprey]

not really textures
but yeah, 'placement'

[acoustic osprey]

i just feel like my 'idea' is for bringing lore into a world is way different and a lot more impractical than the reality that Isle and Don want and have to do for the game

[hexed forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048536975323451402/1238081418412953681/giffka.gif

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

but yeah, here's to hoping lore will lore some more this year 🍹

have to acknowledge, this year has contained A LOT though
it has been nice, even if we've had quite a few moment of downtime
it is definitely better than what we've had FOR YEARS

[hexed forge]

yeah

[muted reef]

How so? Plants? Animals? Models?

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of vision and implementation of things, plus fidelity and percentage of completion on launch
not specifically talking about what specific things is being added lol

like
I wouldn't even have GUTS released in what it'll seem like, say
(that being cut up)
and even if I would release it (cut up or complete) it would either be with or after Humans
where Humans would also be practically complete for release as well

[hexed forge]

Yeah I agree,

I rather wait for GUTS to be majorly completed rather than us getting bits of it every few months or so.

It just feels better exploration-wise.

Same with humans but... yay..

[muted reef]

Dude thats gonna make the map massive

[hexed forge]

Do not

[acoustic osprey]

but yeah, reality it is better to do it bit by bit in terms of design and performance

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/low-taper-fade-ninja-massive-the-meme-is-still-massive-yeah-no-massive-gif-9995754776955392143

[hexed forge]

Why

How would it be better to do it bit by bit?

[muted reef]

They can see what changes are needed optimization wise or just design wise

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/kratos-gif-27224532

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of design
learning how the community use it so they can adjust from there (imagine if they spent a whole year+ doing the GUTS system for the community to never use it, etc)

and performance, well that is pretty simple
if you add a whole map size tunnel to a map, that'll tank a lot of performance by default

so by adding bit by bit
allows devs to apply optimisation bit by bit

rather than spend a larger amount of time trying to make sure the whole system works as a whole

[hexed forge]

Oh well yeah, I suppose you have a point there.

Then hopefully these "Bit by bit" puzzle pieces are not like, broken or anything. Or severely unfinished.

[acoustic osprey]

a lot less likely than all in one to be fair

but knowing Isle. Anything is possible

[muted reef]

Lowkey though GUTS makes changes we couldn't imagine having right now

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, it is something we've never basically seen

besides the actual game banner itself lol

[muted reef]

Are you a human and you're little building you're holed up in getting raided by raptors? No problem leave everyone behind, get in the guts system and sprint across the map in seconds

[acoustic osprey]

that being proper underground elements that aren't just very limited and small caves

well, i'd doubt it is seconds

[hexed forge]

Hopefully not LOL

[muted reef]

I know it's exaggeration

[acoustic osprey]

i do wonder if we'll be getting non-Euclidean geometry still

[muted reef]

But in half the time it'd normally take

[acoustic osprey]

i am 50/50 on it

[muted reef]

Please no

[hexed forge]

I actually hope not,

It may be better performance wise but.. it will just feel weird with the other mechanics

[muted reef]

Look at swamp tunnel you see how much distance you cover in such a small amount of time?

[acoustic osprey]

like it makes sense
but do the devs want dinos to be taking "GUTS" way more? therefore higher chance of human v dino interactions

because, any way of making travelling easier and less expensive on the player means it is an innate 'meta' and must be exploited

[hexed forge]

Even if it did not include non-Euclidean Geometry.

I still bet it would be used a lot which I have no problem with.

[muted reef]

I don't want it to basically be its own separate smaller map

[acoustic osprey]

eh, maybe
that depends
assuming it is linear and without 'teleporting' (non-euclidean)

GUTS is more likely to be, assuming, like a labyrinth than the swamp tunnel

[muted reef]

For small things that prey on humans I guarantee they will be used

[hexed forge]

Hopefully

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, if you're going for humans it is way easier

[hexed forge]

Need the players to memorize it.

[muted reef]

Imagine a carno using guts vs a raptor

[hexed forge]

GUTS is basically just a loot heaven I bet

[hexed forge]

Well a raptor could just climb away, probably

Depending on where in GUTS they meet

[muted reef]

And I hope it's gen 1 haven

[acoustic osprey]

for any human who don't use it correctly, i assume so yeah

[muted reef]

Don't?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, in terms of loot being death heaven

i doubt the tunnels of GUTS will be lootfull

[hexed forge]

IF

Gen 1 even exist on Gateway and if Gateway is the only island with GUTS, which I doubt so.

[acoustic osprey]

(besides the bodies of those unlucky to find some random dinos travelling through there)

[hexed forge]

Well

By GUTS I dont mean just the tunnels.

The underground facilities aswell

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, just talking about the tunnels though

i imagine the actual facilities will be a lot more gated off from animals

in terms of size of entrance into these buildings and/or actual humans gating off them (as in making a base there, etc)

[muted reef]

I don't see them being on there ngl

[acoustic osprey]

i do (that is on Gateway)

[hexed forge]

I think hes referring to Gen1

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

Gen1s on Gateway
I believe they will be there

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-bros-bowser-i-dont-i-dont-wanna-i-dont-think-so-gif-26879753

[hexed forge]

I doubt it

Out of the... 4? "Factions".

We must sacrifice one due to that Don quote

And gen1 is so far the most likely victim of that sacrifice

[acoustic osprey]

and why not 'normal humans'?

this is how i assume the quote

there are clearly no 'normal humans'/employees left on the island anymore
not for Spiro
and not for any Legacy map we have gotten officially

[hexed forge]

Can someone link the quote again

[acoustic osprey]

why do we now assume Gateway is the exact opposite?

straight from the VOD as well
not paraphrased