isle-lore-theories

[lethal moat]

Worm hours

[fast forge]

pinging dock at 4am for worm content

[lethal moat]

Ideal worm hours

[fast forge]

I feel like it's been a while since I've seen dock around

[ornate comet]

That’s pretty cool, the neuro thing ending up laying the eggs in the creature for some predators to eat is a nice touch

[fast forge]

oh they removed all of the human structures that used to be near east dome, including the bridge over the river gully

used to be buildings, a bridge, and fences here

Kinda sucks, I liked the layout of this area, fun for herrera

but I'm also excited to see what they come up with

[hallow ruin]

man what why

this place was my fav

the garage i used to call my office

trolled everybody i played with "limme take u to my office :D"

[fast forge]

I loved the secret/not secret drinking spot at the river source, great place for herra hunting

[hallow ruin]

WAIT ITS REMOVED?

[fast forge]

the river source and canyon is all still there, all human structures are gone, even the bridge

[hexed forge]

With the dome being gone it was just weird for a base to be there.

Will not be missed

[fast forge]

yeah it looked weird without the dome, but with the dome it was pretty cool
it will be missed, by me

[hexed forge]

The thing that really made me mad about that base is that the fence didn't connect to the other fence.

Even now with the east update the fences still don't connect.

[fast forge]

they removed that fence

[hexed forge]

So now we have a random fence sticking out from the southern volcano entrance with no lead to where it would connect yay

[fast forge]

Is this tunnel entrance new?

hard to see in the screenshot, but it's kinda buried

[hexed forge]

Nope

In the same location since the... Docks addition.

I believe in one of the patchs it got removed temporarily, then brought back, then removed, constant cycle.

[fast forge]

[icy gull]

womp womp

[hushed sun]

https://tenor.com/view/the-carnotaurus-carno-carnotaurus-the-isle-jwe-gif-25181045

[icy gull]

bro?

[hexed forge]

Wrong chat.

[thin vine]

the intensive lore behind omnis thousand mile stare is worth exploring!!!

what horrors have omnis gone through to have such an expression? maybe it was the docks incident that Don eluded to perviously...

[hexed forge]

No such thing as a Dock Incident,

Docktah Propaganda

[nimble fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/929072541966958713/1319670789678563450/nuhuh_by_saranova_1.gif

Do you think AE is smart enough to set up automatic protocols in case of emergency?

If so, does it include shutting down the replicator?

[hexed forge]

Probably

[lofty swallow]

That's if the Replicator would allow AE to shut it off in the first place.

[snow jasper]

nah

they dumb as hell, thats my theory

otherwise they'd still be here

[lethal moat]

(Jaws theme starts playing)

[hexed forge]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, maybe.
it really just deepnds

[acoustic osprey]

it is hard
because there can be many reasons for a 'smart' company to overlook the little things

i mean, one of the bigger ones like this is with natural born and 'machine born' bias

[snow jasper]

oh i didn't give any proper thought in my answer lol

there already are protocals, if you consider the errant ( whatever the number is ) sheet with those step by step things on what to do

something like dont contact people from the outside, iirc, idk

yeah this

ehh, its less protocal and more duty

[acoustic osprey]

it would still be a protocol though

especially by the looks of it
it seems ordered to some extent, just the team were poor

that being the first unit

[snow jasper]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

was gonna find the name but realised we couldn't find it
besides the first few letters basically

but yeah
they seem to have some systems in place

but i see it more so rather than AE being
we're just very bad at organising things
and more so
we're smart, and therefore we often overlook things, despite seemingly having systems in check

[acoustic osprey]

not really in that regard though, to what i mean

[hexed forge]

This was posted by Don right?

[acoustic osprey]

more so it seems like within their nature

Don quotes:

Not naturally nested. Nothing really perturbing occurs from wild-born animals. It's all the lab things that go sideways and get invested in for interesting results.

we get from this that AE go over "made from the machine/lab-made" creatures more than wild-born animals
innately, there, we have AE overlooking wild-born animals due to SYNTHS being more short-termingly anomalous

not to say
'X peoples use the wild-borns to destroy AE!'
but if you do want to destroy a system, best to learn about their weaknesses and the corners they're too familiar with
people naturally overlook familiar things

hence why JP fell so easily in jp lore

[lethal moat]

My bad, I read that last sentance and immediately jumped to conclusions

[acoustic osprey]

no i get it
what i'm talking about is very rough

because we don't really have anything to infer about in regards to protocols besides ERRANT-291

which, even then, we know one of the units were pretty bad lol

[lethal moat]

So to clarify, you're saying there's oversights that just don't really get remedied?

[acoustic osprey]

what i'm trying to infer is that AE, despite being a pretty 'intelligent' company with protocols, may still have oversights
or at least, some areas that they put less caution on due to familiarity
alongside juxtaposed with quite anomalous things that would take more resources to worry about

i.e.

surveillance on natural-born vs synth/machine-made animals
from the Don quote and what seems logically correct, is that both resources and caution is put on SYNTHs than natural-born

if that makes sense

not to say
all these companies will go through 'natural born animals' to destroy AE within! lol

but, more so,
I believe there are naturally things AE might overlook naturally

that, if a company or persons, want to take down AE's assets (island, business, etc etc for whatever reason)
a good way is to target these aspects AE overlooks

[lethal moat]

I see, I imagine it would only take something going horrifically wrong once to fix it, or they just tag wild born animals after birth in this specific instance, since we know from the dibble trail cam they can have people get in really close to the actual animals to correct things

[hexed forge]

Tagging nested animals as a gen2 would be a fun task to do ingame.

This is, ofc, IF, my idea of gen2 gameplay is accurate.

[acoustic osprey]

i imagine it being something along those lines

[lethal moat]

Or just take out the people who matter

[lethal moat]

Knock out the parents and tag all the babies

[acoustic osprey]

who so?

[low scarab]

cant kill the rich people who sit in office chairs lol

[hexed forge]

no...

Please no Ark gameplay

[acoustic osprey]

i'd imagine using tranqs to slow down animals
nothing to kill them
nothing to put them asleep
then tagging

[hexed forge]

Probably

[acoustic osprey]

only issue then
how do you stop players from just, then, trolling

[hexed forge]

Limited Ammunition

[acoustic osprey]

i guess it is why i would not have them put dinos to sleep

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2heavy-outsmart-maybe-bullet-gif-22429834

[acoustic osprey]

it would be hard to shoot
you would have limited ammunition of course

[acoustic osprey]

'to Tartarus you shall go'

[hexed forge]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

if you make tranqs put dinos to sleep
easier to troll and kos for fun

make a dino slower and slower to hit things
then apply the biotag (insert X sciencey name for it)

i'll doubt Biotraces for dinos but who knows

[hexed forge]

Scenario 2:

Kidnap the offspring, take them to the lab, tag them there. (Wont happen ingame but I bet that would happen lore-wise to some species)

[acoustic osprey]

maybe they use it for Dinos as well
or a sibling version

[acoustic osprey]

i'd doubt they would want to disrupt an ecosystem and kidnap offspring

[lethal moat]

Or just put the tag in the gun, like an air rifle with a tracker stuffed inside

[acoustic osprey]

especially since we know they know natural born are pretty 'tame' animals
compared to SYNTHS

[hexed forge]

Sometimes you must interupt an ecosystem.

Especially if a species is giving some issues.. overpopulation perhaps.

[acoustic osprey]

I would imagine the tags would be more handheld or you'd need a tag them up close with "X" gun
it would be expensive tech they wouldn't want to waste by shooting from afar

[acoustic osprey]

Especially if a species is giving some issues.. overpopulation perhaps.
I wouldn't imagine they'd take the procedure of kidnaping then tagging

more so just hiring a unit to 'take them out'

if you have pests, like in Australia with kangarooos, you just kill them

no need to house them

they'll just take space

[lethal moat]

I don't think so tbh, they use the same gps normal people use, might be dense, but if not some sort of gun, maybe a stapler like device to walk up, tag, and get away quickly

[acoustic osprey]

this is what i said to your original reply

some sort of gun, maybe a stapler like device to walk up, tag, and get away quickly

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/right-right-zapp-brannigan-futurama-that-is-correct-you-got-that-right-gif-4335229721049312855

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995084695199039518/1140409409898565833/togif.gif

[hexed forge]

I mean,

I was thinking moreso of taking them and putting them into environments that they can monitor more closely, for example in the domes.

Then they could find the issue that is causing this overpopulation, or any other issue.

I dont think they would want to go berserk on expensive assets,

Unless its a SERIOUS issue

Damn I cant spell

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
it is not really necessary to take out things if, for example, there is an issue of overpopulation

because you'd just find that overpopulation overpopulating again

to study overpopulation, you'd really just need people literally in those environments to study
i.e. TCAMs

[hexed forge]

I doubt they have a TCAM on every corner of the island,

And environments they could control would be more helpful imo.

[acoustic osprey]

but that is kinda assuming TCAMs are naturally stationary and static
we have to remember this would be under a more active island under AE

therefore several units, teams, etc, that are always monitoring, studying, researching in their respected fields

so if there is an overpopulation issue within "X" area(s)
you'd have a unit or units of people working, researching and doing whatever they can to learn why

i.e. looking at Injection 2 of the Dibbles

they seemingly had research and studies going on, people helping when their dedicated TCAM was destroyed/tampered, etc

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmm,

I still could see them taking offspring out of nests in other situations then, I just cant grasp specifically what those situations can be..

[acoustic osprey]

I only can really imagine for quarantine reasons

Might be a very few other reasons though

[hexed forge]

Would there be a bunch of cameras on the Hyper Fences themselves.

We havent seen any ingame, but I feel like it would make sense.

[lethal moat]

Seems like it would be a reasonable place to mount them, at least around the gates

[hexed forge]

The towers are amazing but like-

What giant is climbing these towers.

[hexed forge]

I would love for gen2 to fix camera networks and be able to access cameras on their tablet

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

Made by Isaac ^

[acoustic osprey]

fnaf

[hexed forge]

Lol

[spark egret]

no jumpscare😔

[midnight igloo]

AE just wants the mercs to have lots of wiggle room when climbin

[hexed forge]

Eastern fences are so unfinished.

[midnight igloo]

Nah thats just a really strong tree

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, bit of a bummer

[low scarab]

i think its supposed to be like that

[hexed forge]

No lol

There are several plants and trees stuck inside the fence

In ways that shouldnt be

[low scarab]

im joking

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, bit disappointed
here's to the hopium that these things will be more refined in the future 🥂

there is also a radio-device with a satellite next to the radiotower
that is have sunken in the floor

bit disappointed that they're leaving a lot of the 'human' stuff in the public builds

i know it doesn't really matter
but it is just, for me, feels a bit sad. You'd hope there would be a bit of a bar when introducing new map stuff

[hexed forge]

I dont see it

[acoustic osprey]

it is above this at the 'bunker' building
hidden behind some cargo crates

[hexed forge]

Oh that

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[low scarab]

hopium…

hope?

[hexed forge]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

yes

that is hopium

[fast forge]

just give it time
Gateway is still only a year old, and we are getting large rough changes right now, they'll clean things up down the line

[acoustic osprey]

yeah...

you'd still expect some sort of a threshold though, in my opinion

even in a lot of early access stuff
a lot of notably 'unfinished' stuff is only really kept in devbuilds

just a bit disappointed
especially when they removed east dome
and left the area flat and the buildings half submerged
it just felt a bit lazy

i presume Jace may be busy
but i still presume the things he touches (and Dondi) to be, at least, reviewed by QAs and/or devs prior to being released

[hexed forge]

Its just very annoying how we get so excited about new map changes but then it sadly releases unfinished.

Guess we gotta keep expectations low and we will never be disappointed.

I REALLY hope that the GUTS hubs wont be like that.. whenever they release.

[acoustic osprey]

I don't mind things being 'empty'
but yeah, clearly unfinished things feel annoying sadly

but yeah

Guess we gotta keep expectations low and we will never be disappointed.
ideals of being a lore fan atm i suppose ... and for the past 5 years

[hexed forge]

Docks release was...

[acoustic osprey]

well, at least what we've seen of the HUB has been pretty full
99.99% won't be funtionable
and likely won't be properly linked to a whole GUTS system

but
at least it won't seem visually incomplete

[acoustic osprey]

i mean
it was fine, if you're referring to Gateway

[hexed forge]

Most of the buildings were bugged out lol

[acoustic osprey]

yeah fair
but it was immediately fixed anyways

[hexed forge]

Weeks after, but yea

[acoustic osprey]

wasn't weeks though?

however, i more so mean things to the public build
not HT

but still

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message was only a week after, oops.

But I guess its fair that the HT is meant for buggy things to be fixed.

[acoustic osprey]

that is what i thought, yeah

hopefully the hyper fence thing is just a mistake
tbf, it may just be that they don't even know about those little things

it is not crazy important
but...

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-presentation-cool-dramatic-behold-gif-4559759

i find presentation to be a reflection of how devs/artists/people see their own work

there is dedication to the models
but less emphasis in presentation of those models after a while

[acoustic osprey]

the thing i refer to here

[hexed forge]

Human structures are crazy important to like- 10 people that are active in this chat

[acoustic osprey]

when it was out in the U2 update
it was pretty dedicated to its presentation

but that model is years old now and is just placed in the background, merely forgotten about (visually)

[hexed forge]

What model?

[acoustic osprey]

the... one i was talking about...

[hexed forge]

Satellite dish thing?

But thats everywhere over the map

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
and it is a shame
when it was placed now for a new update

it is pretty 'lazily' placed in new location

[hexed forge]

Oh true

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, i mean it literally is nothing important
it is very small and has no use atm

but still

[hexed forge]

I mean,

Theres multiple trees.. plants... etc. Glitching into- or are basically inside the fence lol. Almost as if it was just thrown in there and no one bothered to check it ever again. Basically looking at the map from a satellite view.

[acoustic osprey]

oh well

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

i don't know
don't want to doomer here
but i find trying to be critical is still productive

especially as a state of deducing and analysing world building

clearly, we're not really ready yet to understand the visual world around us

iirc, Don said something about weathering and it not being finished yet
so yeah

[hexed forge]

Lol that one container that is fully under the sand

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

And I remember seeing Don say something about the Docks being more filled with overgrown vegetation in the future.

[acoustic osprey]

i think that is what i was referring to here

[lethal moat]

I have a break from work, did I miss something?

[acoustic osprey]

everything...

[lethal moat]

[acoustic osprey]

we're just discussing stuff

[hexed forge]

Discussing the unfinished state of the eastern side of the map adjustments

[acoustic osprey]

of the isle...

[hexed forge]

oh right

[lethal moat]

We need to make a guts relevant gif

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-wonderland-maze-labyrinth-gif-7202023

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/song-aang-atla-hippie-sing-gif-13853815

[fast forge]

So in map design things like bushes and trees are placed with a tool that "paints" them onto the ground
I've used something similar in Unity
Trees and bushes that clip into other structures are just an artifact of this tool
The map is so huge and so detailed, it will just take time for them to clean up the small things

But this tool is how they are able to put down a million bushes across the whole map, if they were placed individually it would take forever and wouldn't look good

The tool randomizes bushes and trees and stuff

[hexed forge]

Right, But in this case, its the fence being put down. Not them painting the map with trees and bushes.

[fast forge]

Yeah but the fences are floating above the ground, it's very much not a finished product

we've even seen the new fences move between the last few updates

[acoustic osprey]

yeah i assumed so
you can see Dondi doing this in one of his streams recently
and also in a bunch of Spero streams

but, from ages back, i remember seeing him adjust the trees and foliage
it is slow and not fun to do, of course

unless you masterfully program a custom version of the tool to be as accurate as it can be

[fast forge]

Yeah, they're not going to do the cleanup work if it might get changed in a few months

that's just wasted time on something that few people will even notice

[hexed forge]

[fast forge]

Maybe it's me, I've played on a lot of glitchy maps in games
Fallout 3 was glitchy as heck, and that was on a physical disk

the issues with gateway are pretty minor imo

[acoustic osprey]

tbf, bethesda

but human assets, in my opinion, should still have some sort of quality of level/threshold in isle before out in the public

[fast forge]

so what, you said it was sunk into the ground?

[acoustic osprey]

sunk in the ground
flying above the ground
etc

at least having the few human assets they place
which wouldn't be done via a brush
at least not look/seem incomplete

[fast forge]

that's probably from them placing the object, then changing the topography in a nearby area
topography tools will uplift nearby areas to create a gentle slope, and this is likely an artifact of that

I don't think they've even deleted the earth/grass under the human buildings at port, it's all unfinishedA
They're still on broad strokes - get the assets in their places, clean up later

Put down hyper fences so they can plan out the overall shape relative to topography

[acoustic osprey]

that shouldn't be in a public build tbh

[fast forge]

if you say so

[acoustic osprey]

if you haven't mapped out your area you want to design with hard surface models

why would you start placing stuff

[acoustic osprey]

again it just goes back to this

like, what you say makes sense,
but as a business, content, a video game made for money
there should be some sort of quality threshold met in my opinion for public releases

[fast forge]

For me, the threshold is when evrima is pushed to main branch
That's when I'll worry about presentation

For now... 🤷‍♀️

[acoustic osprey]

when i mean mean presentation
I mean this

i find presentation to be a reflection of how devs/artists/people see their own work
there is dedication to the models
but less emphasis in presentation of those models after a while

because it has been like this for some years now
things related to human stuff (i.e. hard surface models)
meaning to be updated, changed, etc, for world building and general visual design
that just hasn't been touched up yet

[fast forge]

So you'd rather the port is sparkling clean before we get it at all?
I'm not really gonna judge how they timeline that kind of work as I am not a map designer

[acoustic osprey]

||at least the doors and lockers have got/getting new models||

[acoustic osprey]

no, that is not my argument

i'd rather "X" location not looking incomplete

[hexed forge]

Floating above the ground, Foliage sticking out of the fence itself, not even connected to anything, etc.

[fast forge]

idk it just doesn't really bother me, especially since I know it will change anyway

[acoustic osprey]

i don't mind the port and other areas not being fully usable
that is what i'd imagine for the future of the official push to 1.0, if anything
especially since that isn't really all visual

[hexed forge]

Honestly,

Yes. Especially for something that has been anticipated for several years. Its byfar the most anticipated structure.

[acoustic osprey]

it is also how i expected GUTS to be released
but i know it won't be the case

[hexed forge]

Sadly.

[acoustic osprey]

99% chance of it being bit by bit
a HUB placed there, then a tunnel placed X time afterwards, etc

[fast forge]

you say anticipated but I bet you a third of players don't even know it's there
they're all just little timmies that take a carno to the hotspot

[acoustic osprey]

just because only a minority cares about it
for me, doesn't mean you (the devs) should underlook them

personally i prefer getting quality out over quantity

but, for Evrima, it seems a bit 50/50 with it

they want some quality
and want some quantity
that being with updates

[acoustic osprey]

and this case been the case, obviously, with isle lore for the past 4 years - makes sense of course. Being that Lore is not really that important in terms of mechanical development

[fast forge]

I see the port as a colossal piece of work, and releasing it piecemeal is probably important for their ability to keep to internal timelines and schedules
Once again I just don't know enough about game design to feel judgmental about this stuff, especially when evrima isn't main branch
I've barely managed people in a retail environment, I wouldn't know how to do it for a project like this

The fact that many other games I've played have had buggy maps makes me less concerned about this one, especially with all the changes I've seen to Gateway in the last year

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

that is not really what we're saying though

cause we've recognised this bit quite a few times

releasing it piecemeal is probably important for their ability to keep to internal timelines and schedules

we know it has to be piece by piece and we understand, as that is not our annoyance with the map

[fast forge]

But lacking polish is piecemeal releases in game development, I don't understand

[hexed forge]

Finish the actual piece before placing it in, is what I am thinking of at least.

[acoustic osprey]

for us, we at least expect "X" piece being at least not visually incomplete
i.e. the actual piece is fitting, as if properly part of the level

not an untextured box/mesh laying around

[hexed forge]

The holy plane

[acoustic osprey]

nor flying/warping/sunken model

[fast forge]

that's already gone though

[acoustic osprey]

from here, that might just be a texture bug of sorts

[hexed forge]

Yeah I know,

Im giving an example.

Pieces not being finished, I dont want to see a random untextured box floating around while trying to look at something nice.

[hexed forge]

I think someone actually landed on that as ptera

[fast forge]

What I don't understand is why you even care about that plane?

It's gone already, it just seemed like a quirky thing to me

[hexed forge]

Its an example out of the many other examples.

#isle-lore-theories message

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
I do know these models just lack their texture and mesh in the current build it is on, as they're for the future (the texture being on a dev build)

[fast forge]

idk as I said I guess it just doesn't bother me

[acoustic osprey]

i think this goes back, for me, to the presentation + dedication point i made

[hexed forge]

Does this not bother you

[fast forge]

But what is presentation, when you've already said you're okay with it being piecemeal

[hexed forge]

The pieces not being actually properly finished.

[acoustic osprey]

honestly, this picture is SO BAD!!! that i thought it was just a super mega wall

[fast forge]

it does not, not at all
why let it bother you?
it's just a game

[hexed forge]

You are presenting an unfinished piece.

[acoustic osprey]

i think art like this should bother people

[hexed forge]

Because I care about the game.

[acoustic osprey]

people being bothered means you've built a community that cares

[hexed forge]

The Isle has basically been my main game for the majority of my life I would say. The majority of my gaming life atleast.

[acoustic osprey]

if you don't put any effort into your 'art'
it can affect your community and their outlook

[fast forge]

yeah but it's only going to be in there for a short amount of time anyway
Does a painting need to look good before it is complete?

[acoustic osprey]

realistically, that painting really isn't shown to the public prior to being done

[hexed forge]

^

[acoustic osprey]

i know this is an indie title
so you can't just do that

but, like i've said before, there should be a quality threshold for things like that

especially since there isn't really a lot of human buildings
and 2 mappers
so they should know what they're doing and how it looks like in-game

because, for one of them at least, that is the only thing they're contracted to do (map work)

[hexed forge]

Well Dondi technically has a lot more stuff to do then map development. But still yeah

[acoustic osprey]

aye, i'm more so referring to Jace

but even then
every other dev, besides the head peoples (producer, director and lead programmer), shouldn't be overly preoccupied with other things besides the thing they're paid to do

so why isn't Jace, at least, able to identify these things?
I presume some of them is Don's doings, but still.

and with that, QA as well?

i presume there are a lot of builds
and as Tiny said, everything is basically piece work
even if you take it from Tiny's context of bit by bit

[hexed forge]

Random thought that just went into my head.

Maybe Jace is preoccupied with something else.
||
Spiro rework perhaps||

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, was going to mention this as well

[hexed forge]

Spiro rework with 2025 would be awesome

For the 10 year anniversary lol

[acoustic osprey]

i do feel like a 2nd map is a bit silly at the moment
but potentially they want a 2nd map to come with main branch swap?
that would be nice

[fast forge]

Not everyone is necessarily a full time employee too, or maybe they are sick, or had a death in the family
We don't know what they are doing

I think if you find yourself saying "why are the devs doing X instead of Y" you might need to just step back and trust them

[acoustic osprey]

i know, a majority of them would be contracted
but i doubt these issues would be occurring 24/7

especially with human buildings
there are only so many of them
it shouldn't be that overly complicated to review what you have placed

[hexed forge]

Especially with that fence placement

[acoustic osprey]

there is still a place, for the gamer, the audience, the people, to still have a basis to say and express
in my opinion

i believe a lot of people have been taking the stance you've said for things for too long imo
especially with triple a games

[hexed forge]

You put down a fence, your next obvious step should be to check it and polish it.

[fast forge]

it shouldn't be that overly complicated to review what you have placed
You have no idea, it's like editing videos X100

[fast forge]

It's SOOOOO time consuming

[acoustic osprey]

i do have an idea
i work with compiling tons of papers twice a week for work
it takes a lot of time, of course

but
that is with hundreds papers of hundreds of kids' work

versus a few buildings you have placed
which you should be able to see when you are placing them

[fast forge]

Having worked on maps in unity, it's shocking how much work goes into just putting a single asset into the exact right spot

Oh well, I've said my piece on this
We have what we have

[acoustic osprey]

i understand

[hexed forge]

Another issue that

REALLY

Bothered me.

Was the fact that Maia wasnt even in the right place on the character selection screen.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1257740793100238959/1297031567851655198/4x.gif

[acoustic osprey]

i have been disappointed with the lack of that quality threshold
being in a minority group here in islecord for years
it has always been an annoyance to be the 'very last' of the foodchain

heck even in our 'lore' event... yeah we know what happened with that

[hexed forge]

We got so much lore!!!

[acoustic osprey]

it has always been "next year this'll be X and we'll be so excited" etc etc

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

[acoustic osprey]

yeah...

[acoustic osprey]

when it just turns out we got to wait another year

#isle-phase-three message
just feels crazy it has been 2 years since this

[acoustic osprey]

yeah... at least, this feels like a UI overhaul fix at least

i do hope Don doesn't take at this that Isle's most loyal loreans are turning doomer
but time really does rub the wrong way at times

and so it just feels a bit disappointing from our point of view with stuff

[hexed forge]

Im hoping we get to see some more of it next devblog.

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003091745984233563/1035041942129610803/Radio_Set.png?ex=67698aad&is=6768392d&hm=61cf561f799a911ce017fbf9dcbdf1815a735f2d7d4a64c8130ae35f0f579aac&
on other notes
have we seen these models on Gateway yet? the radio gear in the middle/middle right of the picture

[acoustic osprey]

that would be nice

[hexed forge]

I actually dont think so, no

I could go ingame quickly and scan all the bases tho

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/4304d13414205a0120fd5bc216e942ea
oh these guys again

[hexed forge]

?

[acoustic osprey]

same company on the PDA

completely forgot about that

[hexed forge]

oh interesting

[acoustic osprey]

so it must be an actual company then

[hexed forge]

Apollo Red

[acoustic osprey]

wah oh

[hexed forge]

Well probably not

Weird logo for an Apollo subsidiary

[acoustic osprey]

well, the logo looks like an abbreviation
'like "AE"'

so it might be CID or C/D

[hexed forge]

First letter looks like a C

CID

C/D

aye

[acoustic osprey]

yay

been a while

oh, that is right, i put this on the doc as well

[hexed forge]

Computers and Doctors !! (First thought that went into my head)

[acoustic osprey]

what would you call this device?

looks like a radio communications system/pack

well the bottom one is, of sorts

oh wait no
those three boxes are the same

the one of the left is a 'side profile'

[acoustic osprey]

the one on the top is the behind of it

[acoustic osprey]

market place asset era of the isle 😔

[acoustic osprey]

@lethal moat fine with me putting this on the doc as some sort of "radio communication box"

especially seeing as the image is dubbed 'radio_set.png'

good to compile all the custom model companies
as those are highly likely to be and remain canon

[lethal moat]

Sure

[acoustic osprey]

makes sense though
seeing as they also made the "PDA"

similar tech field

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

[hexed forge]

Am I the only one that finds this awkwardly empty?

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, it feels weird

i imagine they'll add the furniture we see in the other buildings in there

[hexed forge]

oh erm

basically this entire building is empty

[hexed forge]

SoonTM

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, what could you have in the main lobby of in the Dock Harbour Master?

just generally speaking

[hexed forge]

Like this for example,

feels really nice.

[acoustic osprey]

potentially the crews of ships go there to sign off?

[acoustic osprey]

yea i like this ... besides the QR code.....

[hexed forge]

Alright so whose drinking on the job.

[acoustic osprey]

sorry 😔

[hexed forge]

3 Full bottles

[acoustic osprey]

looks like wine though..

https://gyazo.com/68fcb03c04ce6b035b898788b750782f

[hexed forge]

Yeah I dont think this is in the game

[acoustic osprey]

oh nice
another FCC reference

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, must be then

[acoustic osprey]

(from the PDA)

[hexed forge]

Noice

[acoustic osprey]

THIS DEVICE COMPLIES WITH PART 15(?) OF THE
FCC RULES AND ### STANDARDS 21 CFS (?)
SUBOWFTERA (?)
AT DATE OF MANUFACTURED, OPERATION IS
SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING TWO
CONDITIONS 1) THIS DEVICE MAY NOT CAUSE
HARMFUL INTERFERENCE AND 2) THIS
DEVICE MUST ACCEPT ANY INTERFERENCE
RECIEVED. INCLUDING INTERFERENCE THAT
MAY CAUSE ##### OPERATIONS (?)
FCC ## ### #C2338

[hexed forge]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

interesting though
especially with "2)"

with devices accepting radio interference

[hexed forge]

I think the last set of numbers is #2338

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah

maybe #C2338 ?

[hexed forge]

Perhaps

[acoustic osprey]

looks like a C next to 2

[hexed forge]

Yeah looks like it

[acoustic osprey]

looks like FCC ID as well

[hexed forge]

The number set C2338 sounds very familiar to me for some reason

[acoustic osprey]

the diablo tcam video potentially

or the 'identified' errant-291 number

[hexed forge]

Ahh

I was thinking of the abbreviated form of the old spiro TCAMs

Cam07323
AKA
C07323

Not like it means anything in the context of the PDA

[acoustic osprey]

lol

it is close but yeah
must be nothing

[hexed forge]

Probably

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/b069797e38a76d99f0316c517704137a

if you try and compare
the 'warning' (FCC paragraph) pretty much matches

[hexed forge]

Mmmmmmmmm

Looks like it

[acoustic osprey]

https://gyazo.com/a1bc213f26ea1c446d9cb6a8d88abbce
I was going to say CANADA

but no
that looks like CAN/CIA

[hexed forge]

Yeah definitely CAN/CIA-

CIA?

https://tenor.com/view/cia-typing-cia-is-typing-discord-cia-is-typing-discord-cia-gif-6301005666316744960

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[hexed forge]

Or C1A

[acoustic osprey]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/World_Map_of_Mains_Voltages_and_Frequencies%2C_Detailed.svg
also with this
i made a remark ages ago

[hexed forge]

That might be a 1?

[acoustic osprey]

potentially

these devices both have 120v/60Hz

which is basically only used in 'new world' countries

and like two polynesian islands (just off south east asia)

[hexed forge]

Found Gateway

Mystery solved, thank you everyone

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, it may be helpful

being a custom asset

[hexed forge]

I mean,

It basically just means that AE, or Apollo as a whole, originates from North America, if not the US itself.

Right?

[acoustic osprey]

sorry had to do something, but yeah
Gateway (and others) may be originally completely uninhabited
so it might be sign of where the company originates from

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

yay

just went through all P3 stuff
yeah, that seems about it for CID (C/D) stuff

https://gyazo.com/68d1b265c98c88690c59097c73e435ef
is it just me or does that CRT have "AE" on the screen?

ah they did

never realised lol

[hexed forge]

It does yeah

[acoustic osprey]

erm

[hexed forge]

I wonder if we will be able to use computers as gen2

[acoustic osprey]

maybe
it would be good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1103703939368628369/1147209169536036964/unknown.png?ex=6769924c&is=676840cc&hm=19d697c9ea767f222306073d31bf59edcbdac187aa528f43480fbeda9d530e75&

it is probably one of the only things i hope that do work, in terms of human stuff

besides PDAs
it would be cool to have access to a ranger stations' LAN computer system to access their MCAMs

[hexed forge]

Yeahhh

Also the computer has that green legacy style, wonder if they will change it to blue

[acoustic osprey]

likely

[hexed forge]

Probably yeah

[acoustic osprey]

hopefully it'll use the video UI as well

[hexed forge]

You know what would be nice,

If we could see fanmade incident reports, field reports, or even various injections on the files of a casual computer. Just seems like a nice way to get the community involved. These videos would ofcourse have to be chosen

Ofc we won't be able to watch them ingame, seems like it's too much, but just atleast see the file names.

[acoustic osprey]

erm, you just want to get your video canonised!!

[hexed forge]

NOO

Erm

[acoustic osprey]

but it would be cool
canonise the name but not the data, just to make sure everything is 'in order'

but fan lore can be not 1:1 to actual lore

[hexed forge]

Yea

[acoustic osprey]

added a new section on the lore doc as well

General Terms:
MCAM
Monitor/Monitoring Camera
Seen in the “Incident Report #████: [AUGUSTUS]” video
TCAM
Trail Camera
Seen in the “File Recovery: USGX-9921-C578” video

just a general terms section
for things that can't really be connected to one thing specifically
i.e. like TCAMs and MCAMs

[hexed forge]

Nice

[acoustic osprey]

just so newbies can understand things without needing to go through each physical lore piece

[hexed forge]

Taylor Swift in isle lore

[acoustic osprey]

yes

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/dad-coraline-work-gif-18503813

[acoustic osprey]

interesting to see the filming location of the dibble video slightly change again

[ornate comet]

if the new ui sounds like this does in the beginning I will be eternally happy

[acoustic osprey]

mmhmmm

[hallow ruin]

remember the white box sitting in front of K-15 somewhere next to road on the forest
and few months later I-12 even got its own
its so funny how it even makes no sense to be something hinting/gonna be human structure related its some sort of a meme, a cube placed there

[hallow ruin]

im sure i saw this model/something similar on sketchfab for download, i got it but didnt see it yet, who knows if ill by coincidence find the asset devs got from asset store 🤷‍♂️

[acoustic osprey]

that is custom though

[hallow ruin]

dont u forget gun's company is "tactical"

[acoustic osprey]

which gun

[hallow ruin]

the isle's blue-ish bugged wierd lighting + incorrect/bugged material setup it seems, making it look like an uncanny horror game with flat surface texture

[hallow ruin]

what thing is thsi

[acoustic osprey]

the pda

[hallow ruin]

ah thats what i thought

[hallow ruin]

the uhh i forgot limme check

i kind of feel like that is tactical, if u notice the "tactical" text here, it seems like it matches the artistic style

[acoustic osprey]

oh you mean the game name

[hallow ruin]

cool, i love how im finding wierd assets that looks so close to the isle's on internet

[acoustic osprey]

the company is Gradient Customs

[hallow ruin]

other pic is the official one*

[snow jasper]

PDA

[hexed forge]

Si

[clear pagoda]

Hi, Guys, can you explain how dinosaurs appeared on the island?

[fast forge]

They were made by the company Apollo Engineering (AE)

We have compiled everything we know in a handy document, if you'd like to see?

[clear pagoda]

Yes, please

[fast forge]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[clear pagoda]

Wow, thank you

[fast forge]

np!

[hexed forge]

Whats the difference between the DIA and the time in the topright part.

DIA started with the actual video, the other thing has already been going.

[fast forge]

maybe time since the dibbles were injected onto the island?

idk, I wondered that too

seems to be 19 hours, 10 minutes difference?

[hexed forge]

No its minutes

19 minutes, 13.85 seconds.

Since the files were corrupted because of Archive 7.

Im guessing that its how far we are into the Post-Injection Evalutation report

[fast forge]

well I'd think the report is something that gets filed later, using the accumulated data, video recordings included

Because that's what a report is, reporting on something that happened previously

[hexed forge]

yes

[fast forge]

when it was first brought up, isaac suggested the top right time might just be a clock?

but then it wouldn't sync down to the millisecond with the timer

[acoustic osprey]

one of them seems to be a timecode

[hexed forge]

The next frame that we cut into says that the time is 1:55 PM, not, 19:13

So I doubt its a clock

[fast forge]

what do you mean by timecode?

[hexed forge]

^

[fast forge]

and what does DIA mean?

[hexed forge]

^

[acoustic osprey]

top right would be a timecode, that is
that being not the actual time
but the total collateral material they have, in terms of time - i.e. 19 minutes and 13 seconds of total footage time, and counting.

[fast forge]

oh I see, the amount of footage shot so far
whereas the bottom right would be the current runtime for this clip

[acoustic osprey]

yeah pretty much
if you mean the bottom left

but DIA has no meaning
that is, i have never seen that term before in the industry
so... yeah

[hexed forge]

So basically,

Its the timestamp that we cut into. Us as the viewer.

[acoustic osprey]

yes and no

it is hard to explain

[fast forge]

yes I meant left

[hexed forge]

This frame being 19 minutes and 13 seconds into the full actual report.

And then onward

[acoustic osprey]

we know that can't be the case though

[hexed forge]

Why?

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1224903912629207070/image.png?ex=676ac0ea&is=67696f6a&hm=b7c2666f9336d810c7cd53befa9137ae7fc8735e2b5e2158239d457207d34eb4&
because the video is only 5 minutes long originally

the timecode would be in relation to something else

[fast forge]

that length could be post-editing

[hexed forge]

Ahh

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, that length would be the actual edited video itself
the report

[hexed forge]

Thats weird tho

[acoustic osprey]

the 5mins one

the timecode can be of anytime
we aren't really what it could be adding time onto from previously

[fast forge]

I'm trying to think of these times in the context of a scientific study

[hexed forge]

Unless the 5 minutes is with all the artifacted damage being compressed together

[acoustic osprey]

it is weird though having a timecode for a digital editor
because usually timecodes are only on physical film cameras

[fast forge]

I thought it was on the camera?

[acoustic osprey]

no that wouldn't make sense

[acoustic osprey]

the opening edited bit of the corrupted film? no

[hexed forge]

Then how is it only 5 minutes if we assume there was no artificating when that report was being made.

[fast forge]

oh you mean this

[acoustic osprey]

no i mean the very intro of the video

https://gyazo.com/e2edd96753d996c0f5fcaf0707ce4850
this section is added in post

[acoustic osprey]

because the report would be akin to AUGUSTUS

[hexed forge]

So it the actual report couldnt be 5 minutes

[acoustic osprey]

we see several slides, but all corrupted
the '5 mins...' section would be telling us about the actual report length

[acoustic osprey]

how?

[hexed forge]

If none of it was corrupted, I dont think it would only last 5 minutes. Thats like, 1 second per informational slide.

[acoustic osprey]

how many slides are there

[hexed forge]

Multiple

[acoustic osprey]

how many slides are there on the AUGUSTUS video

do not forget the original report would've just been detailing "Dibbles have been injection"
and
"this is their food they are eating"

it is not a full on report detailing anything major

[hexed forge]

A lot,

Even including the introductory slides.

[acoustic osprey]

realistically there are only 3-4 informative slides

[acoustic osprey]

and that video is 5 minutes long as well

[hexed forge]

Erm...

The actual report is only 2 minutes long, 2:16.

But there is a lot less footage to show.

Compared to the dibble video, which, the majority of it is just Dibble footage.

[acoustic osprey]

yeah because in the dibble video
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179605042618175488/1225293991231230013/TC-1393-1462_FIXED.png?ex=676adab4&is=67698934&hm=27b5ff0325d3cc33d913652e5aca4513d73db4a4d8e316161775639e51641b7f&

it includes unaltered footage
so the actual video length is a bit longer

rather than summing up a quick incident

[acoustic osprey]

but to note^ (for the dibble video)

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/headache-stressed-cant-sleep-gif-13140563

[acoustic osprey]

it would still not make sense for the total length of the report to be ~19 minutes
when the corrupted video slide shows 5 minutes using the same slide style

[fast forge]

FINGER FANTASY

[hexed forge]

What

[fast forge]

that's the quote
that's making him rub his temples

[acoustic osprey]

when it may be
that the opening intro of the slide
is trying to allude to something else, more so in terms of ARCHIVE (7)

being that the timecode isn't from a camera
but an editing software

[fast forge]

The Waitress is telling Charlie about the nail salon she wants to open

[acoustic osprey]

it may be that someone has edited and compiled a bunch of 'corrupted videos and reports' of ARCHIVE (7) ||or whatever reason this file/these files are corrupted||

and therefore the current timecode at 19mins is what the editor currently has in the current editing project within the software

[fast forge]

You're sure it wouldn't have been running data within the camera itself?

Then again old camcorders usually just had the time and date, not a runtime

[acoustic osprey]

doesn't make sense unless the cameras are recording straight into the edited video
and when i mean edited video, i mean the edited edited video (the file recovery itself)

[fast forge]

well maybe not

[hexed forge]

I see

[acoustic osprey]

(this is because we know that the video we have on YT is edited in post, being that the intro would've been done after the report was made)

[fast forge]

I wonder if it might be helpful to construct a timeline for this footage

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, depends on the camcorder
but, i'd presume all AE-level cameras would contain all relatively modern necessities in a camera

[hexed forge]

Im still confused,

I think that the original, full report, is longer than 5 minutes and 14 seconds. Without the artifacting.

[acoustic osprey]

i would like to make an original version of the report though, would be fun

[acoustic osprey]

i disagree
why would it be in there then
the 5 mins reference

[fast forge]

The video is not the report, don't conflate them
The report contains more than just video

[hexed forge]

Thats exactly why I think its weird

[acoustic osprey]

i do not
this has every bit of accurate information
#isle-lore-theories message

why should the length not be accurate then?

[ornate comet]

Deino with a camera attached to it would make a cool video. Hunts drinking dinos, avoids 2 larger crocs, flips a boat and eats some humans, and at the end it fights a spino and the camera is broken in the chaos

[hexed forge]

Why would the full report be 5 minutes and 14 seconds long, aka the video that we already see.

That includes all the artifacting.

Who would want to watch a report for information about the injection, that is full of artifacting

[acoustic osprey]

because we are likely not just witnessing the video
do not forget the whole video we see is corrupted
and that we've likely concluded this is the fault of Archive (7)

[fast forge]

They say they are using that data to update field manuals

[hexed forge]

Yes the video is corrupted because of Archive 7.
We see the whole video being corrupted.
Are you saying what we see is different from what they see, aka they see it without the artifacting?

[acoustic osprey]

i mean to say that we do not know what has or hasn't been added into the video due to corruption
Archive (7) may likely be corrupted, so that would mean other things may have been as well
we do not know what nor how this corruption would work

what things may have been added in corruption? and what things weren't?
may it have been that the unaltered footage referred to in one of the slides was mashed in together? especially knowing that the original footage no longer exists due to an unknown reason (which may be that, due to the corruption, it destroyed the original files and mashed them together into the report)

[fast forge]

I see the file corruption as occurring after the initial creation of the report

[acoustic osprey]

how it seems to have went is

report -> archive 7 (or something) corrupts -> file recovery video made -> slightly corrupted again (due to the corruption glitch in the intro)

[fast forge]

So the report would have been a clean and edited series of videos and other data, compiled together and stored together in the same digital location
And then the corruption event would mash those files together

And the recovery would be now, in the present day

[hexed forge]

But then why does the video that we see ~10 seconds longer than the video that was meant to be shown, aka the 5:14.

[acoustic osprey]

because the 5:14 is the original report

what we're saying that the video we have isn't the direct translation of the original report

[fast forge]

extra frames added due to corruption and data being added from nearby files?
like the satellite data

[acoustic osprey]

as i said

may it have been that the unaltered footage referred to in one of the slides was mashed in together?

[fast forge]

My timeline is as follows:

• Diabloceratops are injected onto island
• Scientists decide they need post-injection data to see how dibbles are doing in new habitat
• TCAM footage
• This footage along with satellite data is compiled into a report, passed along to higher ups, and stored in Archive 7
• Corruption event occurs, combining satellite data and video footage
• File is recovered at a later date by an unknown party

[acoustic osprey]

and to note, this file recovery is also edited again
as per the intro existing

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-cat-gif-12892056996301838631

[fast forge]

Oh yeah I guess that has to be true, the frames that say "Severe artifacting" are themselves corrupted

[hexed forge]

My mind is not set-up correctly,

I dont even know what my original point was anymore

[acoustic osprey]

well no
what i mean is that the intro exists
which therefore means it has to be edited

but yes, there is a second corruption
which we see the intro containing a corruption

#isle-lore-theories message
basically this

[acoustic osprey]

as the intro is part of the file recovery
but wouldn't be part of the original report

[fast forge]

I just thought that occam's razor would say we would only have one corrupting event
But the fact that the part telling us about the corruption is itself corrupted, lends credence to the idea that it was corrupted a second time

Orrrrr it's just a video and the corruption is just a fun effect and we are looking too hard into this

[hexed forge]

no

[fast forge]

Like on a meta level dondi/seiza just threw corrupted effects throughout the video, and didn't think through the timeline

idk

[hexed forge]

If its just a funny effect that was made for it to look cool then I would be severely disappointed,

But I doubt Don would do it like this, especially since its mentions the Archive 7, corruption, and all that other stuff.

I really dont think Don would do this lol

[acoustic osprey]

maybe
but being that Don is a perfectionist, 50/50
it may be so that it means nothing
but still, i do believe it means the slide was edited in post afterwards anyways

if it doesn't exist
it may hurt the ARCHIVE (7) corruption theory but

to be fair, without it, the theory still make sense

[fast forge]

My take is that all of this was stolen from AE by one of their rivals, whether it's another company or a splinter part of the company, or the greater Apollo corporation as a whole. This recovery/retrieval was forced, and the ensuing action corrupted the footage
hence "electromagnetic damage during retrieval"

[hexed forge]

What could this mean again.

[acoustic osprey]

not really too sure about that
unless they're just covering up what happened
the statement upon "retrieval" doesn't really feel like it implies it was stolen and then 'fixed'

[acoustic osprey]

seeing as it refers to ARCHIVE (7)
it may likely be the cataloguing system

[hexed forge]

Mmmm

(I have no clue what a cataloguing system is lol)

[frigid ginkgo]

hi guys how send invite in the game ?

[hexed forge]

Try asking in here #isle-discussion

[acoustic osprey]

like a library

or like a identification code
but within the Archive

or like at a uni building code

[hexed forge]

Oh I see

[acoustic osprey]

building 42 level 27 room 23
but imagine these things in the context of a digital or physical archive

[hexed forge]

Whats the OL-TM 12-947 ?

Same thing?

[acoustic osprey]

if anything
i feel like it could be similar with TOMB (?)
but where "X" people(s) have attacked ARCHIVE (7)

[acoustic osprey]

may be more of it
or a seperate code

it may be that ARCHIVE (7) 43-27-23
the 43-27-23 is in relation to archive (7)
and OL-TM 012-947 is in relation to the video

it really is just meaningless right now unless we see more videos from Archive (7)

[hexed forge]

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[muted reef]

Lore..no lore...lore dry...lore is...cold

[acoustic osprey]

soon

[lofty swallow]

when the lore is loring

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-godzilla-dive-diving-jump-into-water-gif-17991001065794271955

[hallow ruin]

tissoplastic spino :

[acoustic osprey]

lol

[fast forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182932702798811159/1291628478344593450/hesbehindmeisnthe.gif

[hexed forge]

That is no longer a tiny dinosaur

[fast forge]

[hallow ruin]

yeah this isnt a cute tiny dinosaur anymore

[muted reef]

They're back

I am fully integrated back into the server

[muted reef]

Now...any lore I need to catch up on

[hexed forge]

Not much

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[acoustic osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/995084695199039518/1140409409898565833/togif.gif

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697910542660010086/994265202071703613/unknown.gif

[acoustic osprey]

pov Dibble Lore Hunt

[low scarab]

trail cam lore hunt i know no such thing

[acoustic osprey]

lol

soon!
fun to be fun about it

hopefully Don got enough information he needed from it and go ons and plans a new one for the future

[hexed forge]

Wonder if he will make it harder or easier for the next one

Seeing as how we really, really, went way over the expected time for us to find the TCAM in the previous one.

[acoustic osprey]

i hope it'll be harder

he knows i made reference to noting down things we should be alert for next time
so...

hopefully he makes it harder

and more dynamic of course - i suppose this is something he'll have to learn through time over trial and error
BUT
I don't mind. You can't get a 'perfect game' nor art in general
so trial and erroring these things is a pretty good idea in my opinion

especially if WE give honest feedback

like, the biggest problem with this first one?

• Very simple
• no indication of it existing in any matter
• the reward wasn't really for the lore people

of course, Don can argee and disagree with these
and also have more notes on it

but
I do believe this is the general concensus within the lore community for it (those three points)

and giving this feedback, at least, gives Don some insight on how we see and react to this stuff

[lethal moat]

I don’t mind the second issue, the first one isn’t too bad either, but would like some sort of interactive factor with future stuff

[acoustic osprey]

i think the second one is the 2nd biggest issue with it
because there literally existed no indication of the lore hunt to any degree

besides one reference in the description of a video
which was very vague

[hexed forge]

I suppose the description of the Dibble video was sort of like an indication. But not really since we never had a lore hunt so someone thinking that it could be a lore hunt would be passed on as "A lore hunt? heh- for us? Not in a million yearsssss...."

[acoustic osprey]

yeah
if the description was more descriptive
I could imagine people might've, even outside of this niche community, more tried to find the TCAM

[hexed forge]

The first issue would probably be better the more lore hunts we get overtime.

Fixed through trial and error

[acoustic osprey]

but seeing as we know about it
it is down on my notes on things to be more alert out on though

however, the 2nd issue also needs to be addressed by Don internally in terms of direction

like
does Don want large community (as in the whole of isle) looking for "X"?

or does it depend on what (singular or plural) is being looked for?

but would like some sort of interactive factor with future stuff
I do hope for more complexity
but, i suppose, as per what i and cerato said
comes down to time

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t mind him not giving any sort of hint as long as there’s multiple for people to chance on

[acoustic osprey]

i am not really talking about 'him' doing it

i mean, more so to any degree of something official indicating its existence

i.e. the description of the dibble video

[hexed forge]

Probably near the "end of the game", development wise, there would be hunts for much bigger things that will include the entire community. And I would bet it involves strains or a very big interactive event

[lethal moat]

Yeah, I can see that

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, i presume things that aren't really 'let us find lore object Y that'll give us info' and more so 'you can become The Matriarch!! by doing X (or however)'

but if Don makes the first type of lore hunts more largely public
I can imagine community hype dying down pretty quickly after the 3 or 4th 'larger community' hunt

there is only so much general excitement for finding a paper or two lol

might be biased, do prefer more hunts focused towards us for lore stuff
I easily imagine the devs doing community events focusing around getting strains and other fun creatures

but actually finding and learning new information about these things? Up to the lore community to really dig into it

[hexed forge]

I agree

[acoustic osprey]

yeah

and we're very open
and not gated

so, if people do get interested in the lore behind this stuff
rather than reading up bs on reddit
they can actually ask questions and join us in any hunt

not sure about any others
but if i suspect a lore hunt or akin due to a video or whatever
I will definitely announce whatever

either here and/or in lorecord

[hexed forge]

There were a few new people who joined in the previous lore hunt too, so it definitely would happen

[acoustic osprey]

basically what we do every HT

[acoustic osprey]

oh yeah, definitely.
It was good seeing casuals coming here and checking it out for a bit

[oblique surge]

I love me a good treasure hunt so I’m down to look for hidden stuff even if its just a some piece of paper

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/robotnik-locked-in-farmboy64monet-farmboy64-eggman-gif-9130093786724672043

[oblique surge]

I do need to keep myself updated more on lore stuff tho lol

[hexed forge]

The document is always nicely updated

[acoustic osprey]

yeah, only thing i would really suggest lol

if you have any questions, Joa, always free to ask here

but the doc pretty much sums everything
giving context usually and defining stuff

it is definitely what we've needed these past few... 7 or so years

[oblique surge]

Appreciate it!

I also look into lorecord every now and again to see what’s up

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-lorax-leaving-lorax-the-lorax-leaving-meme-gif-7714964267197279021

we've been in a drought lately
i don't recommend looking in there right now

mostly just insanity 24/7

[hexed forge]

War thunder took over the lorechat in there, sorry.

[oblique surge]

😔

[hexed forge]

Even in lore times, people still go insane

[acoustic osprey]

this is true, not to forget

two kinds of insanity i suppose

the lorecadian kind
and
the nolorecadian kind

[muted reef]

The lore made me go from Catag to Gif Lord

But Catag returned a while ago no worries

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[pure portal]

Hello there I was wondering if there was like a documentary or a document of the lore of the isle that I could read/watch to get to know the game better?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-taco-smile-gif-15840669

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J3FnAzKdtmlIYzTfgSlevTgGLcn8h-Zaxlqn3WEicVw/edit

[pure portal]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-gif-696604303596555012

Thank you so much

[acoustic osprey]

woohoo

[hallow ruin]

i cant stop thinking of this "sky-hole"

electric cables? hydrolics?

[acoustic osprey]

looks hydraulic

[fast forge]

Is that new? I don't remember a cable

[acoustic osprey]

nah, that has been there since launch of Gateway

hard to notice to be fair

a pin in a haystack

when you compare it to the size of Gateway

[hallow ruin]

thing is, what even is the whole thing if we cant tell what this specific one is

oh wait i have a little theory

sry for bad quality
im gonna include that into my project, domes are imo 99% experimental environments/OR basically Aviary

somewhere to balance the epic strong apex of the sky?

[acoustic osprey]

Looks like the top middle opens

[acoustic osprey]

Oh yeah
Iirc, Don basically commented on this as well and basically confirmed it

[hallow ruin]

CONFIRMED WHAT?

[acoustic osprey]

The experimental environments theory

[hallow ruin]

hmmmm... anything more mentioned? something like if its for a specific dinosaur/purpose, or to host a special isolated eco-system

[zenith frigate]

Iirc all he said was that they contain man made biomes
Nothing about specific dinos

I think of them as like easily monitored and controllable testing environments for new species before they are released

Or maybe to contain any dinos with anamalous adaptations for easier observation

[hallow ruin]

hmmm

can we guess a purpose/what could be the possible biomes?

[zenith frigate]

this is I think the only info we've been given about the specific biomes

we know redwoods are coming so they're a possibility

hm

honestly just pick some that look cool
we wont know until Don feels like telling us or they get added

Dondi if you feel like telling us, now's a good time.

[hallow ruin]

UNLESS SOMEONE KILLS ME LMAO

[hallow ruin]

hey, whats ur guess if the big one (redwood) gonna be for "the big one"...

[zenith frigate]

the big dome seems like it has enough space for redwoods the smaller dome definitely doesnt
Im hoping the redwoods go along northwest ridge and west access once that area gets a makeover but its entirely possibly they go in the dome

wait isnt the big dome literally called Aviary

[hallow ruin]

no, the other domes

big dome is perimeter

man idk what ppl think, i fully convinced perimeter is redwood. period.

[zenith frigate]

this points at the big dome

[hallow ruin]

u sure? perimeter?

wait it does make sense since its has a sky-hole

to be an aviary

[low scarab]

never saw this

[hexed forge]

The dome has many names atp

Perimeter, aviary, the Atrium, etc etc

No official name I suppose..yet

[hexed forge]

Also the "to aviary" was going towards the south dome whenever that was in tho.

So I don't think its referencing perimeter

[fast forge]

This access tunnel was sighted on that same map, it's a tunnel like the other GUTS entrances. It is located near the saltwater pond at south plains (it enters the cliff face to the east of the pond). You can even see a dibble take this route in the dibble migration satellite data

[low scarab]

yk what would be cool

geothermal stuff in the volcano connected to that lab

[hexed forge]

Volcano providing geothermal energy?

Maybe

[icy onyx]

Maybe

[knotty locust]

what if it was providing theological energy instead

[low scarab]

[crisp raven]

I think the Horde is hiding in the caves

I have a feeling they’re hiding, waiting for the right time

I can sense their collective presence waiting to break free from the void it resides in

They call to all, seeking to roam the nights in the realm above

[low scarab]

long live the horde

[muted reef]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-the-next-step-for-immigration-immigration-alien-locked-in-alien-locked-in-gif-7143551599349454414

We gon be like this next year with the lore

[crisp raven]

We must amass more disciples

[ornate comet]

If we’re talking about biome domes, I think it would be cool if the areas surrounding the domes entrances had a slight spill over of the plants contained within. Like if there’s a redwood dome, areas where you can enter and exit have sapling redwood trees or something

Since there’s not really anyone managing the domes at the moment

[hexed forge]

Ehhhhh

Im not sure how that would work

[fast forge]

That a really cool idea! It depends how tightly they are sealed up, but if any of the entrances are sitting open then they probably would have some escaped plants

I dunno maybe throw that idea in #general-feedback and the devs might see it

[hexed forge]

I doubt there is a direct entrance between the outside and the actual biome.

Seems like a bad design choice on Apollos side

[fast forge]

Why? It would make construction much easier

[wanton jolt]

i wonder whats the next dino gonna be

[fast forge]

probably rex and trike, from dev comments

[wanton jolt]

omgg rex!?!?

[hexed forge]

Multiple seals to get into x biome seems more proper. Doesn't ruin the humidity levels, temperature, etc if the door is open for even a short moment.

Having a direct entrance would just ruin it if left open for awhile

[fast forge]

just do a double set of doors that got left open when someone evacuated in an emergency

I work in a clean room environment, we only have two doors separating the clean room from the rest of the building

[wanton jolt]

any information about humans btw?

[fast forge]

And these big doors that dino players could move through wouldn't be everyday personnel doors anyway

[fast forge]

this is the lore channel, maybe ask in #isle-discussion

[hexed forge]

yeah that could work.

But if both are left open it will just ruin the entire environment inside. There will be no "escaped plants" because they would die since the environment outside is not suitable for them.

[fast forge]

we don't know that, the environment could be similar, or even the genetically engineered plants adapted

and if it's not open to the outside world, how would players dinosaurs get in anyway?

[hexed forge]

If they engineered the plants to adapt to the environment outside, what's the point of putting them in the dome then lol.

We dont know much about the environments they are planning to add in there yes.

[fast forge]

Also if it's a controlled environment, are those systems even functioning? Wouldn't the plants inside wither and die?

[ornate comet]

https://tenor.com/view/online-argument-american-psycho-meme-gif-25806483

[fast forge]

To keep the ecosystems with different plants separate, and ecological testing. Sometimes in a science experiment you can have two closed systems with the same conditions, but factors inside (plant species) may be different

Maybe the dome is the testing ground for plants before they are used in the rest of the island

[hexed forge]

All depends on what environments they even plan to add yeah. Whenever they get added

[ornate comet]

Gotta have a control for an experiment

[hexed forge]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[fast forge]

Anyways I gotta go back in the clean room, break is over...

[hexed forge]

Not via direct tunnel atleast

[fast forge]

So I just don't get to take my rex into the redwoods? That kinda sucks

[hexed forge]

#isle-lore-theories message

Gotta maneuver around to find an entrance, thats how it should be imo.

Just imagine getting lost in this, fun times

[acoustic osprey]

the dome not domes

[low scarab]

isle lore podcast:

[hexed forge]

oops yea

[ornate comet]

Highlands dome is gonna get killed as well?

[lethal moat]

Some sort of spray can to mark where you’ve been could be useful, also you can draw funny messages

[hexed forge]

"funny messages"

You know the community..... unless its preset messages that you can choose.

[muted reef]

That dome is buggy af

[lethal moat]

True, but drawing a giant dick on the floor of your base would be kinda funny tho
My humor is extremely simple

[hexed forge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/683040176397746187/965087719715905546/image01.gif

[fast forge]

this was my first thought too

[acoustic osprey]

no no, i am talking about the dome
not the smaller domes

as those ones have no names yet

[hallow ruin]

today i was searching about stuff like this for reasons away from the isle

when i came across this..
"Savant syndrome"
' is a phenomenon where someone demonstrates exceptional aptitude in one domain, such as art or mathematics, despite significant social or intellectual impairment. '

and then the picture of Dean just sparked inside my head.. could it be?! ik its not gonna really give any more info about it, but its "something to diagnose him with" lol

[lethal moat]

He can’t hunt, but he can do trigonometry

[hallow ruin]

what 😭

[lethal moat]

Poor attempt at a joke

[hallow ruin]

its not poor i got the joke but its just wild 😭 😭

[hexed forge]

Literally me !!!

[fast forge]

https://tenor.com/view/math-confused-gif-21641306

This with Dean

He won't chase you down, but he knows the roads well enough to guess where you are heading and loop around to cut you off

[acoustic osprey]

i believe it could be related to this
but not directly this - as this is a phenomenon with people, typically, with Autism (like aspergers, say)

but, to be fair, we know this has to be a related to/akin to Augustus
as in, how Augustus got his 'anomalous behavioural' aspect

the biggest problem/difference here
is that this seems, with Dean and Shirley, way more physically-related than behavioural (as it wasn't that AUGUSTUS grew better legs, he just realised he could climb)
where, vice versa, it seems like the two rexes might've been born with these physical effects?

however, iirc, Don refers to that they didn't exactly notice it straight away, just like AUGUSTUS
so... how do you not notice a bigger Rex or a physically impaired rex?

can't fact check because i am on the run though lol

[hallow ruin]

exactly, and shirley is the one taking his commands and acting on it

[lethal moat]

They’re loose and doing their own thing? More hands off approach to development maybe

[hallow ruin]

i think what dondi referred to is the rexes not realising not AE

MAYBE not even that the rexes didnt realize their anomlaies
but also maybe "the rexes didnt realize they could USE their anomalies THIS way"

[fast forge]

Many genes are coded to trigger at specific life stages, these things might not have kicked in until full grown or elder size

[icy onyx]

I love lore

[frozen siren]

me too

[fringe yew]

My theory is: Planet is going Boom Boom and Usa is creating dinosaurs to use as guns

Or they know that everyone is going to die and they are creating dinosaurs to be the new dominant species

[icy onyx]

Someone hand this man the doc🔥🔥he cant go any further with this thinking🗣️🔥🗣️🔥

[hallow ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/plants-vs-zombie-gif-23790086

[fringe yew]

[fringe yew]

XD

[hexed forge]

If you aren't joking,
Most of AEs assets aren't being used as weapons, more as research specimens, for medicine , reversing climate change, etc. The only AE asset used as a weapon so far are gen1.

Gen1 being a retaliatory weapon against rival companies

[fringe yew]

Ohhhh thanks!!

[lethal moat]

Airdrop the goobers

[fringe yew]

I forgot what is Gen1, it means generation 1?

[fringe yew]

GOOBERS!!

[lethal moat]

Gen 1

[hexed forge]

Yes generation 1

Rumple posted a picture of them above

But they also have another name that we dont know about.

[fringe yew]

Ohhhhh

I get it

Thanks guys

[lethal moat]

I’m willing to bet it’s Deimos, everything matches up with what’s been said about it

[hexed forge]

Possibly

[lofty swallow]

Is V1 cancelled or are they just modeling V2 to see how it looks in a 3d manner?

[lethal moat]

There’s different types of gen 1

[lofty swallow]

Ah okay

[left sentinel]

Sorry I'm kinda new to the lore but do we know what exactly the incident is?

[lethal moat]

I imagine it wasn’t just one thing, and rather series of things

But we don’t know

[left sentinel]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

we don't really know
all we've seen of a model is currently V2 atm

so yeah

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, it is DEIMOS Project
so i doubt they wouldn't call them that

just depends on how broadly Deimos Project is in how it incorporates Gen1s

i do wonder if they refer to Gen1s as "Gen1s" though
depends on what they're named in the new UI

however, having already seen what was sent in the dblog
it seems like the "Gen1" character slot wont actually exist until Gen1s are actually put into the game

[acoustic osprey]

as in, i doubt the actual button will be there - as it seems like it'd be modularly added on once in game

[lofty swallow]

Interesting, hope they stick with V1 personally, feels more unique in my opinion

[lethal moat]

I want the available roster to just not be something you’re aware of changing until you see something you don’t recognize on a map you’ve never played

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-avengers-ironman-too-much-to-ask-gif-7937143

[acoustic osprey]

(what a win from Daviid btw!!)

[lofty swallow]

A sort of preset pattern like how they do with the dinosaurs in the selection menu would be neat

[hexed forge]

Yeah

[muted reef]

Whats the revolver called again

Viper? Python?

[lethal moat]

Basilisk

[hexed forge]

^

[swift carbon]

look who i found

[hallow ruin]

about that company logo on the PDA, its also on JC's T shirt

[fierce cradle]

Hi All

[lethal moat]

Yo

[fierce cradle]

What is Phoenix Corp

[lethal moat]

Irrelevant legacy stuff that was tied to primal carnage

We got EC and RF as competitors now

[fierce cradle]

What are those?

Operation Inferno ?

[lethal moat]

Also outdated

[fierce cradle]

Then what is dated

[lethal moat]

Rival companies, we don’t know what the letters stand for

[fierce cradle]

XD

[lethal moat]

Everything in the lore doc is as accurate as we know

[fierce cradle]

DIdi they scrap that big rib cage also ?

[lethal moat]

We haven’t heard anything on the Islandwalker

[fierce cradle]

What is island walker?

[lethal moat]

Big

[hallow ruin]

probably the skeleton

[fierce cradle]

I think "FLashing Lights " are also otdated

[muted reef]

Screw isle lore I just know if I find basilisk that big lizards die

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-the-next-step-for-immigration-immigration-alien-locked-in-alien-locked-in-gif-7143551599349454414

[lethal moat]

Most things from legacy likely are, or at least I consider them to be i til proven otherwise

[muted reef]

Haven't we used a lot of it to establish a base for evrima lore

[hallow ruin]

what is this?!

[lethal moat]

Blinking lights on the radio towers

That iceburg is outdated

[fierce cradle]

Do we have a new one?

[lethal moat]

We have the one at the end of the lore doc

[fierce cradle]

Would u be kind enough to share the link

🙂

[lethal moat]

Pinned comments here

[fierce cradle]

What are Reapers?

[lethal moat]

Tissoplastic humanoids

[fierce cradle]

hehe what does that mean ?

[lethal moat]

Tissoplastic is one of the strains

[fierce cradle]

What's a strain ?

Is it like mutations

[lethal moat]

Significant genetic alterations

This is the hyperendocrine strain

[acoustic osprey]

well well well

[acoustic osprey]

no that is a different logo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401480573471948821/1320596845516427386/d2c013772a217f26881a77eac76ca0b8.png?ex=6770c4a7&is=676f7327&hm=eb1fe27fc8c3d18383403b32532b6b6c5fdad58b3b9acf27e257cae37bba475d&

[hallow ruin]

it kind of looks like it idk

the silhouette is familiar to it

[acoustic osprey]

eh... kinda

[hallow ruin]

where is this from

the possible ( C/D ) idk wht it means

wait i think it stands for something IRL

[acoustic osprey]

i made a rendition of the logo

[hallow ruin]

oh cool

yeah pretty accurate

[acoustic osprey]

yay

[fierce cradle]

Which one of these u like to see in the game

[hallow ruin]

have we ever measured aviaries?

[acoustic osprey]

in terms of what

[hallow ruin]

length/width

[acoustic osprey]

i mean, not really worth while to be fair
it is cool but not really necessary

but, i suppose, it wouldn't be too hard
especially since we know the actual size of Gateway now

[hallow ruin]

whats length/width of aviaries.

please, if you know it.

[acoustic osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205981060194893855/1308976865670860841/eyes.jpg?ex=6770aeb4&is=676f5d34&hm=e14466f88f7a041970ca4fb3f429a11d84394e1ed67f8a71cb2e3f64459194f4&

each white line on the top is 1km

[hallow ruin]

Thank you my guy

[acoustic osprey]

each line is 62 pixels

that is a lie

337 pixels

333 pixels

which puts the total diameter of the Domes at 225 pixels

therefore
approximately 0.676 kilometers

by

the same basically

so 676x676

each side of Perm/Atrium is roughly 826m

[hallow ruin]

so Aviary (small dome) is ~676m X 676m ?

[acoustic osprey]

yes the dome is

Atrium diameter is ~1.531km

[hallow ruin]

while dome diameter is 0.676

thats a big difference

[acoustic osprey]

weird
Atrium other diameter is (top to bottom) ~1.312km

therefore

~1.5km x 1.3km

https://gyazo.com/4e8d41a2c0eb5f9878c38a77aac9656b

[hallow ruin]

i think it makes sense because you're measuring a hexagon