isle-lore-theories

[random copper]

oh really? that's interesting

[mortal hound]

I’m assuming the matriarch is just going to be a lore thing and we aren’t ever going to be playing as a giant kaiju lol (I know it’s unofficial but idk if it’s size is known or not)

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/looks-into-the-camera-like-the-office-the-office-gif-21412318

[mortal hound]

Trust me I want to play as it too

[lethal moat]

We will see

[random copper]

It might become a secret AI, like a world boss or random event situation. Or gen2 triggering an event for it to appear.

[lethal moat]

No idea

[random copper]

should be the motto of this channel lol

[mortal hound]

My favorite stages in the unofficial art have to be 1 and 3

[lethal moat]

I prefer 'we do not know', or 'maybe'

[mortal hound]

All of them are really awesome though

The reason I like 3 more than like 4 or 2 is because of the idea of a 6 limbed fast raptor shaped thing is really cool to me

[lethal moat]

The main thing I want access to is the computers and their data, as well as paper files so we can see what's really going on with AE

[mortal hound]

Also it’s funny to think about the total growth time for matriarch if it is playable, like a real life week of playtime lol. When you 100% it you just beat the game

[random copper]

would AE's HQ be on a neighboring island or somewhere more closer to civilisation?

[lethal moat]

There should be a way to "win" the game, we don't know what it is

[lethal moat]

Olympus Central? 'We do not know'

[mortal hound]

Yes the whole old tech computer design looks really cool to me

[acoustic osprey]

well

[random copper]

well?

[acoustic osprey]

hold on, am finding quote

[lethal moat]

TSL?

[acoustic osprey]

no

#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message
#isle-lore-theories message

nope, can't find it
but I have this instead

[raven anchor]

Yep
But someone else posted it apparently

[acoustic osprey]

aye, sorry

[raven anchor]

Ti's fiine

[acoustic osprey]

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-homelander-im-better-i-am-better-antony-starr-gif-26469013

[lethal moat]

Do we think gen 1 can make fire or not?

[acoustic osprey]

of course!!

[lethal moat]

So, does the replicator prefer gen 2 well done or rare?

I’ve been seeing lots of ironbelly stuff popping up, and there is some tribal stuff that is neat

Wondering if the spikey cage thing will make a return, or the bbq grill

[sour rivet]

Did anyone here watch Emisis Blue ? Maybe there is some kind of reference that can also be found here

[random copper]

i have, but what does that have to do with the isle?

[sour rivet]

Well what if the replicator is also kinda malfunctioning like the respawn machine ?

What if some things aren’t intentional

[random copper]

no doubt there's malformed subjects, that's just the way experiments go

trial and error

[lethal moat]

Tapwing has some distorted neuro projects

[random copper]

ik, i was looking through tapwings deviant art page a few minutes ago lol

[sour rivet]

Control over something seems to be a big thing when it comes to these kind of companies (SCP, Apollo etc. ). What if they lost control long ago and are currently just barely holding on for dear life

[mortal hound]

sleep

[sour rivet]

Gateway doesn’t necessarily have to be the only island which they lost

I can’t get over the big event that started it all

[lethal moat]

I think we should call the abandonment of the island ‘The fall’ because it seems dramatic and fitting, unless it has an official name in the story

[lethal moat]

There are multiple islands

[mortal hound]

I give up

[sour rivet]

Yeah, do we know what happened with them ?

[lethal moat]

The only canon island right now is gateway, it’s just something we’re going to have to wait and see

[random copper]

no real explanation, other than the replicator is out of AE's control and it played a hand in AE losing the islands.

[sour rivet]

Makes me wonder if there are multiple replicators and if so are they like a hive mind or is only the AI on gateway the way it is

[random copper]

never thought of there being any more than 1 replicator. idek how it would look, I'm guessing a large scale biological printing factory.

[lethal moat]

We don’t know the replicator had a role, we just assume that

The replicator itself is an ai, we don’t know if the machines that create the dinosaur are also the replicator

[acoustic osprey]

mmmhm

[sour rivet]

Maybe it resembles containment Breach ? 079 (the AI) who let out a single entity in order to orchestrate a mass containment breach.

I could imagine such a thing happening. Replicator letting out Gen1s or even Strains and causing chaos

[acoustic osprey]

i'd imagine also something akin to Palpatine

[lethal moat]

That’s what I’m thinking, though we actually know very little about the actual fall of the island, just that it was probably fast

[acoustic osprey]

Replicator is an AI
she would be definitely smart enough to hide her true intentions during "Pre-Incident"

[lethal moat]

I agree

My current guess is the replicator led some sort of gen 1 revolution that wiped the island clean

[sour rivet]

Yeah. Do we even know when the Island was left ? Looking at structures we could maybe guesstimate

Also Generators across the island still seem to work properly (and I doubt that the replicator would waste its energy for „lamps“)

So either Apollo has a self sustaining system but in that case why would the replicator need biofuel ?

[lethal moat]

My bet is 99’

[random copper]

what kind of biofuel

[lethal moat]

We don’t know the replicator uses the bodies for fuel

The replicator gets sacrifices from gen 1, we don’t know what the replicator uses them for tho

[random copper]

recycling Dna, protein, all that stuff?

[sour rivet]

Maybe though it might just have a god complex who knows

[lethal moat]

We don’t know enough yet

One day though…

[sour rivet]

That’s good though cause we can spout as much bs as we want until Dondi decides to intervene

[lethal moat]

nO

We present what we know to be true, make our own assumptions, but let others make their own

Tell people the truth first, then tell your conclusions, so we don’t misinform anyone

[random copper]

except the lore is so convoluted that it's hard to figure out what's true or not.

[lethal moat]

Just look at the lore doc when in doubt

[sour rivet]

For example my Alien claim it may have been an absurd guess but no one could really retort it (except for Don)

What he did in the end…

Poor Aliens

[random copper]

ufo spotted

[lethal moat]

Right, absolutely share what you think, but make sure to tell only unbiased truth to new people

[sour rivet]

Maybe lizard people control Apollo ?!

[lethal moat]

I will relocate both of your lineages to Tartarus I swear to god

[sour rivet]

Omg what if the people that created Apollo changed themselves to lizards

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 probably not

[random copper]

gen 1 ceo of apolo

[lethal moat]

Ow that you bring it up, there is a thing Dondi said awhile back

[sour rivet]

Omg

Lizardpeople ?

Just like in the real world Jeff bezoz is a lizardmen

[lethal moat]

No

When Dondi was asked if AE had one ceo or a group of people, he said first one, then the other, and I’m wondering about the order

[sour rivet]

Hmm a group of people controlling Æ

[lethal moat]

Or a ceo

One of the two

[sour rivet]

What if the Isle devs are the CEOs

Would be funny if they integrated themselves and people from the community into the lore

[lethal moat]

Would be neat

I’m interested to know why strains were only given to carnivores, did they never get enough time to give to herbivores, or something else

[sour rivet]

Herbivores are boring even Æ thinks so

[meager junco]

Maybe they didn’t want hyper trikes and hyper sauropods eating the islands entire flora?

[grand sigil]

The replicator is also a god right? It transcends reality? Or is that just legacy lore

[sour rivet]

Pretty sure it’s legacy lore

[iron anchor]

is there any documented interaction between the echidna and replicator

[lethal moat]

Nope, just got gen 1 to worship it like one, and that is still canon

[lethal moat]

We have nothing documented about either of them

[iron anchor]

Lol

[acoustic osprey]

A God/Deity for the Tribals

but not a literal God

due to being an AI

[lethal moat]

Dondi already mentioned Clarke’s third law, to the gen 1, the replicator is basically magic and therefore a god to them, but not a literal god no

[pseudo forge]

why do gen 1s and strains exist?

[low scarab]

gen 1s were the first attempt at creating the perfect human (obviously it didnt go well)

and strains are likely related to pharmaceuticals for example hypers are muscle and growth deficiencies, neuros are for brain diseases, and tissos for limb or body regeneration

I could be wrong if i am someone will correct me

[lethal moat]

That’s currently our best guess

[low scarab]

this we know for a fact though correct

[lethal moat]

Creating perfect human is a reasonable assumption, but we still don’t know the reasoning behind why gen 1 or 2 were created

[pseudo forge]

yeah why would they bother creating the "perfect human" strains make sense since those will make humans stronger and cure illnesses but why a whole other human?

[lethal moat]

Strains have their own inherent flaws, but gen 2 seems to be largely successful if AE was in fact trying to make a perfect human

[low scarab]

and from the Olympus transmitter imo it seems like they were trying to mask humans under their property meaning they can be used indoctrinated and treated however they want

Also keep in mind Olympus transmitter is from legacy

[acoustic osprey]

But also exists in Evrima as just the location

[low scarab]

true but regarding the actual twitter page posts and its lore is related to legacy and some might not be relevant right

[acoustic osprey]

Might make some sort of return

But likely not in the same regard

[dusty bobcat]

Hello, I'm doing an Evrima Theory, could you tell me the exact name of Gateway?

[long veldt]

Gateway

[dusty bobcat]

I remember she has a name

[long veldt]

isla velada as well

[dusty bobcat]

Is the name of Gateway Isla Velada?

[long veldt]

i believe so

[dusty bobcat]

Thank you very much

[acoustic osprey]

Isla Velada isn't the official name of Gateway

Gateway is what AE refer to it
But we don't know it's actual name

Isla Velada was just the placeholder name

[ocean ingot]

placeholder name = yeah we're too lazy to think more about it

[steel summit]

gen 1 appreciation (now with both versions)

[lethal moat]

Let’s talk about what the paint they is made out of, my bet is mostly blood

[strange shell]

Blood doesn't make for good paint as it loses its color with time
Unless you mix it with other elements, iirc animal fat was often used in prehistoric paints

[lethal moat]

Neat, what would work better?

This doesn’t particularly look like we’ll made paint

[strange shell]

Plant or mineral-based products

[lethal moat]

I’m unfortunately inclined to believe this work is outdated due to the size of that handprints in the image

[lethal moat]

Getting a more updated replicator motif, or even a concept art would be nuts

[strange shell]

We're down to a level where seeing a drawing of a box would fill us with joy

[lethal moat]

If I see a dome in a concept art, I’m micro-analyzing that boi, despite seeing domes in the game already lol

[strange shell]

One day Don is just gonna post a picture of a square and we're gonna make crazy theories on it

[low scarab]

lol I would love to see that

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-of-madagascar-skipper-kowalski-analysis-analysis-madagascar-gif-23546606

[lethal moat]

I wonder if hallucinations will get reused with some modifications anywhere else, like a neuro giving you hallucinations or the replicator making a hologram, etc

[strange shell]

Human hallucination gas grenades maybe ?
That'd be great as an escape tool

[lethal moat]

That would be cool

[lethal moat]

Knockout gas that takes some time to come into effect that give hallucinations before knocking out? Something like that would be neat

[strange shell]

Uh maybe
I'm honestly not a fan of knocking players out
A 3-second stun is already bad enough in most videogames

And I know what happens when you make it longer
I once tried to duel a rogue in WoW
The class with a 1-minute stun

[lethal moat]

Yeah, I have the same hesitations, just trying to shotgun ideas and hoping something sticks

[strange shell]

Shotgun an idea about a shotgun then
It'll be more effective

[lethal moat]

Different rounds for the shotgun? Buckshot, Birdshot, Slugs, maybe something made by GRADIC specifically for AE’s purposes

[strange shell]

Great idea
Actually interchangeable ammunition for most weapons should be a thing
Wait uh lore theories

Maybe AE DID do things in the military department and that would be the reason we can find weapons on the island
But since they're a bio-engineering company uh... special neurotoxin coatings ?

[lethal moat]

The hyper cannon

Big shotgun with hundreds of flechettes to kill the hyper but would work against anything in that direction?

[iron anchor]

i hope as a human i can just find a battleship turret in the wild and stay there while blowing up dinosaurs

oh this is not the server

[strange shell]

I actually really hope the anti-hyper gun is a two-part weapon
One shoots toxin darts that completely prevents health regen
The other one shoots huge laser beams that ignore damage resistance
Which makes it a weapon that is not very useful against normal dinos, but deadly against hypers

[lethal moat]

I like the idea of the hyper cannon having multiple stages and not just being a kinetic energy weapon, there needs to be some failsafes to stop it from just being used on everything, which I thinks been brought up before

[strange shell]

Oh and maybe the laser beam can't be aimed manually once it starts charging, but is autoguided towards the closest toxin dart (because it has something like a tracker implemented)
To emphasize using both together and make the laser not usable as a "hehe I oneshot your rex from 100m away" tool

[low scarab]

No lore documents 🥺

[iron anchor]

it’s a shame we can’t turn gallis into craters

i think the hyper cannon is just going to be the colossus throwing it’s mega turd at a hyper

i feel like considering the history of AE being very good at genetics but mediocre at guns, the hyper cannon will just be another creature

or a bigger better projectile capable version of a robo dinosaur, like robo quetz

idk

[hoary scroll]

New lore?

[lethal moat]

Not yet, we're waiting for now

[hoary scroll]

Did dondi say something abt it?

[lethal moat]

There is this connection we found a few days ago: #isle-lore-theories message

[lethal moat]

But no, nothing new, and we're still waiting for those lore templates Dondi talked about

[hoary scroll]

Ah

[lethal moat]

By "we" I mean Isaac, because I am lazy

[low scarab]

Me too

[lethal moat]

Also, sorry for the ping from the lore server earlier, forgot to disable the at everyone command

[low scarab]

lol I saw that

[mortal hound]

PACHY PFP SPOTTED

is nice

[hoary scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/pachy-pachycephlasaurus-theislelucypachy-lucy-theisle-gif-13827879390397098733

[mortal hound]

Epic

[low scarab]

Pachies when there’s a single Omni minding its own business

[acoustic osprey]

go off the one from the Xmas Stream from Don, 2020.
Or the Ptera art in #phase-two-archive

[pseudo forge]

OK ive been making some goofy joke theories but I think I got a real one

This will contradict what dondi has said so I just make it as a new cannon or a cannon that will be adopted

[lethal moat]

nO

[mortal hound]

[pseudo forge]

With the border they said it was just a random design choice but I noticed that it resembles the compass in design

[lethal moat]

bRother

[pseudo forge]

[acoustic osprey]

🙂

I believe that's likely relatively intentional

Just to make everything feel more connected to the "Blue" of Evrima's style

[pseudo forge]

Yeah

[patent ginkgo]

So, my fellow lorelings, I’d like to confirm that gateway’s placement of a certain type of eucalyptus tree along rivers and in lowlands is accurate, potentially suggesting that conclusions can in fact be drawn from the minute features and trends in the map design. That is all

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[patent ginkgo]

Afaik, it’s Eucalyptus camaldulensis, aka river res gum, a type of eucalyptus endemic to Australia (maybe youve seen it?) and it grows along rivers and other water sources in the hot inland areas

On gateway, it’s used around the central river, as well as general delta and lowland areas

Now this species is one of over 700 eucalyptus trees in total, which says to me that the types of trees and other plants for purely map design purposes may have some more realism taken into account than before

Now I may be entirely wrong, but this makes me think that the diverse and unique ecosystem on gateway, which incorporates plants from around the world, may have implications for lore, specifically AE’s botany and/or overall goals

[meager junco]

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t different plants create different atmospheres on where they’re located?

[patent ginkgo]

Do you mean like literally alter the atmosphere based on the type of plant?

[meager junco]

Yeh If I’m not wrong?

[patent ginkgo]

All plants that photosynthesize produce O2 and use CO2, so the only variation you would get would be based on the amount of plants in the area

Some plants are better at photosynthesis than others, but not to the extent of altering the atmosphere with other gases

[meager junco]

Would Dino’s require more CO2 than we would tho? Since they lived in a time where the atmosphere actually was different

[patent ginkgo]

Certainly not, as those levels varied widely over the Mesozoic and saurischians for the most part had extremely efficient lungs. CO2 is also bad for just about every terrestrial animal and more

Also, the only differences you would get in local atmosphere would be tiny, and due to climate, like the Amazon today giving off massive amounts of O2

[meager junco]

Ik a full on CO2 planet is bad but I meant just change the atmosphere to fit more the animals but if it’s not something that’s logical then nvm that idea

[patent ginkgo]

So I don’t think the types of trees have to do with affecting the atmosphere or local atmosphere, though they could be a result of existing atmospheric conditions

[patent ginkgo]

Nah I believe some times in the Mesozoic had more and some had less than today, but that’s a question for #paleotalk

[meager junco]

True true, was just curious if they were possibly bringing plants from all over the world to more or less fit the animals pre existing era(even tho they technically aren’t Dino’s at all)

[patent ginkgo]

No, otherwise there wouldn’t be grass lol

[bleak flint]

what about all the other plants that dont come from australia

[patent ginkgo]

I’ve drawn other conclusions from those, namely that gateway is either in Southeast Asia or off the coasts of central/south america

Like the main big tree in the jungles is called kapok, or ceiba

[lethal moat]

So it is safe to assume gateway is within the tropics

[acoustic osprey]

Just don't forget
These are not truly dinosaurs, but synthetically created creatures- same with the human playables and, even, the plants too

so we can't truly be restricting ourselves to normal worldly laws

[sturdy tide]

does the isle have a lore ?

[acoustic osprey]

quite an amount of lore

heck, have an Evrima x Legacy lore iceberg

[strange shell]

Why is there nothing on the base of the iceberg

And where are dinos

[acoustic osprey]

!!!!!!

[acoustic osprey]

and, they're not truly lore!!!!

[mortal hound]

They meant you missed a row under the first one

[acoustic osprey]

this?

[strange shell]

That's what the allegory of the iceberg is supposed to be for
What's on the surface is what's visible to everyone
What's under it is what truly matters

[mortal hound]

Yeah, I thought it looked fine I think that’s what they meant though

[strange shell]

All I'm saying is that your iceberg diagram is terrible

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/davy-jones-gif-21841409

[strange shell]

Oh so there's only one section that's halfway through the water
That's weird

[acoustic osprey]

BLAME THE FORMATING OF THE WEBSITE!!!

[strange shell]

https://tenor.com/view/heman-skeletor-shocked-skull-gif-18911203

[acoustic osprey]

👎

[serene drum]

can anyone can do me a quick summary of The Isle Lore pls i am new

[acoustic osprey]

Rough summary of the funny lore

Apollo Company
-> was (or still is) in the Food Industry (Agriculture) ||however, the dinosaurs are not made for food||

-> Apollo Engineering (AE) believed to be a subsidiary of "Apollo".
-> Went from food making (possibly, bio-genetically) into Dinosaur making ||apparently quickly||

-> AE made Genetically Monster Humans, called Tribals / Generation One
-> in which are labeled under "GOLEM-Ceti" -> in which refers to something, internationally, that is "monsterous"

-> AE made Strains, either during or before they made Tribals
-> Strains, incidentally, are also good for pharmaceutical use (in which, likely helps with another Apollo Subsidiary called Apollo Pharmaceuticals North)

-> There is an AI that fits into this.
In Legacy lore, it was used to replicate your EIP (human brain inside a dinosaur) a good thousand times.
It is likely that AE/Apollo use The Replicator, in Evrima, to synthesise Dinosaurs (and maybe even products)

-> Something happened / We call it "The Incident"
-> Gateway has it's "hyper fences" broken

....

Time has apparently gone by, noticed by weathered buildings on both maps

-> Gen2s are on the islands, not to kill but to do things

[serene drum]

Thx you very much

[acoustic osprey]

no worries

[low scarab]

Should probably pin this somewhere in the lore discord if it isn’t already

[brazen idol]

I like your profile picture👍

[lethal moat]

Man, I missed two new guys while I was asleep, wonder when we’ll get our first document with Ceti-Deimos involvement

[lethal moat]

I was looking at head shape, they’ve got a lot of space for a frontal lobe, implying they have a good amount of personality/individuality

[strange shell]

Or maybe it's just a design choice

Cause uh
If we're looking at their anatomy on an absolutely realistic standpoint, their absence of external ear may imply poor hearing, but also adaptations to cold climates rather than warm ones
And their spinly limbs would be a sign of muscle underdevelopment, and therefore low strength and speed
And they have a complete absence of fat, which is incoherent to the previous "more adapted to cold climates" statement, and is a pretty bad thing to evolve in general, unless it's to make room for more muscle
Which isn't the case here

[lethal moat]

That’s true, but we do know that they have some measure of intelligence, and the ability to be an individual would allow for named gen 1s, like prominent people who did great things, which could be interesting for the story

[strange shell]

That yeah
I was just mentioning that we shouldn't make theories on intelligence based on skull shape
Reminder neuro spino is a thing

[lethal moat]

Very fair

[lethal moat]

Lore server spillover: Robo quetz might be an experiment to bring something back from the dead using cybernetics

[strange shell]

Someone's pet quetz has died

[fallow harbor]

yes

or maybe something like how scientists use fake baby monkeys to infilitrate a moneky tribe to see how they naturally act

[patent ginkgo]

If the robo quetz is seen in art made by gen 1, its almost certainly controlled by the replicator

Given its eyes are potentially cameras

[lethal moat]

Maybe

[lethal moat]

I like this better though

[strange shell]

So if Gen 1 make a painting of a plane flying above the island, does that mean the plane is controlled by the replicator ?

[lethal moat]

It would have to be a repeated encounter sort of situation

[patent ginkgo]

The quetz has eyes that are potentially cameras, too much there

[strange shell]

How is that related ?

[lethal moat]

Replicator watches through cameras

[strange shell]

Or are you picturing Gen 1s sitting behind monitors, watching what's happening through the eyes of their robot quetz ?

[lethal moat]

Replicator

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lotr-lord-of-the-rings-mordor-the-eye-gif-5619682

Like this, but mobile

[fallow harbor]

do we have pictures of the replicator?

[lethal moat]

We have a motif, I think it’s outdated though

Not confirmed outdated, just my opinion

[fallow harbor]

replicator is made by AE and is used to make dinosaurs and gen1s and stuff?

[patent ginkgo]

As rumple said, the replicator is known to watch through cameras, and the gen 1 know that as well

[lethal moat]

Not sure it’s made by AE, and we’re not sure about gen 1, but it does make dinos

[fallow harbor]

is it very advanced technology

[lethal moat]

It’s artificial intelligence that changes the genetics and creates new things, likely advanced

[fallow harbor]

all i think about when i hear the word replicator

[patent ginkgo]

Like a bio printer powered by ai

[fallow harbor]

oh

[lethal moat]

From what we know, yeah

[fallow harbor]

is it like a computer and it tells the people how to make it? or does it also make the thing it generated

[patent ginkgo]

Dunno

[fallow harbor]

we need more replicator lore

[lethal moat]

We know it’s ai, the gen 1 sacrifice stuff to it, it creates Dino’s, and it watches through cameras

[lethal moat]

Yeah

[fallow harbor]

so the replicator is a sentiant ai?

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[fallow harbor]

do we know what the gen 1's sacrifice

[lethal moat]

They’ll sacrifice pretty much anything they get their hands on as far as we know

[patent ginkgo]

Bio matter of some sort

[fallow harbor]

does the replicator come before their own lives?

[fallow harbor]

does it have to be alive?

[patent ginkgo]

Dunno

[lethal moat]

Don’t know and don’t know

Replicator is something we really need to know more about

[fallow harbor]

woah. looks pretty advanced

[patent ginkgo]

Was this in September or a couple days ago

[strange shell]

Couple days ago

[patent ginkgo]

Aight

Sorry, funny American date system

[strange shell]

||Before you ask it's a fake, I just photoshopped a message from Dondi to make this happen||

[lethal moat]

For shame

[patent ginkgo]

[lethal moat]

Replicator stuff is some of the most interesting and we have made very little progress since Evrima about learning about it

[scarlet verge]

Do yall think there will be any new lore stuff when Gateway "officially" gets released? Everything I saw in the horde testing just had placeholder text

[lethal moat]

I doubt we'll get anything more than the lore ipsium, but I'm shure we'll find something if there is anything to find, TSL event or not

[maiden sundial]

I forgot what the lore ipsium stuff means

[scarlet verge]

I know sometimes they drop stuff without advanced notice and with Dondi's hint last week I wasn't sure if there might be some new stuff for us to find

[patent ginkgo]

Trees

[lethal moat]

Filler text

[scarlet verge]

I think it's just placeholder text

[maiden sundial]

Ah.

[lethal moat]

There might be, the lore server funnels stuff pretty fast we find

[scarlet verge]

I'll do my part and start searching, but you all do find it pretty quick so I'll stayed tuned here lol

[lethal moat]

You want an to join the lore server?

[scarlet verge]

Is there more than just here? I've been keeping track of convos here, but I don't have much to add

[lethal moat]

We talk quite a bit, there's some shenanagins, and we prepare for stuff and collect everything in one place

[scarlet verge]

I'd be interested for sure. I've read all the pinned docs

[mortal hound]

will you sign away your soul? there is no going back

[steel summit]

shenanigans = total insanity btw

[scarlet verge]

Well now you definitely have my attention. Yeah I'll jump in for sure

[mortal hound]

dms

[rough heart]

Btw I wanted to ask, I know I do not talk at all here but I do read up on everything and this games lore takes up way to much of my brain space, if it would be possible to get an invite to the mythical lore server? It sounds like a ride and having a more coherent spot where the lore stuff is gathered might help me in finding and analyzing stuff

[steel summit]

sure

but are you sure?

[patent ginkgo]

Another one takes the bait

[rough heart]

Brother I handed over my soul to this game years ago at this point
I can handle it

[steel summit]

dont say we didnt warn you

[acoustic osprey]

Thank you

[acoustic osprey]

I know it's been said already, but it's practically Apple's official placeholder text

And is used in previously all papers in Evrima

But, unsure about the papers in the rubbish bin

[lethal moat]

I love the rubbish bin

[acoustic osprey]

Yay

[nimble bluff]

So gateway is releasing?

[lethal moat]

Wrong chat, but yeah

[nimble bluff]

Mb

[lethal moat]

All good

[fallow harbor]

what is ipsium

[lethal moat]

Filler text, it's latin, doesn't matter

[lethal moat]

Can't wait until it's actual lore documents

[strange shell]

What if lorem ipsum is the lore ?
In that those papers were just for testing the printer and are canonically lorem ipsum ?

[lethal moat]

I'd be sad, because there are files on the shelves with lore ipsium in them

[strange shell]

They needed to test a lot of printers

Can't afford one of them malfunctioning, y'know ?

Especially considering how unreliable printers usually are

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-boss-moxxie-sad-moxxie-gif-11776855495253283131

[low scarab]

No lore documents

[lethal moat]

Sadly not

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

Eventually….

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-homelander-gen-v-what-kind-of-animal-are-you-gif-8815542031841472760

[low scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-modern-warfare2-stare-meme-2022-gif-27104713

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

[acoustic osprey]

LOL

[long veldt]

is there a way that they can prevent pteras from leaving the island?

[acoustic osprey]

not really

[lethal moat]

Just distance most likely

[long veldt]

quetz would absolutely be outside of the island

and were there electric fences on gateway

i was busy running for my life

[acoustic osprey]

funny other company?

[lethal moat]

Another Apollo subsidiary?

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

Wheos

CAN'T find anything really about what it could mean

[lethal moat]

Add it to the list of things to ask dondi

[acoustic osprey]

but, it does come up within Greek Grammar

[lethal moat]

Oh really? What does it mean?

Could also be Whegs

[acoustic osprey]

it's not really a word
but, a diphthong

[lethal moat]

A qwhat?

[acoustic osprey]

more specifically, the pronunciation

[acoustic osprey]

two vowels within a singly syllable

[lethal moat]

Interesting

[acoustic osprey]

the diphthong is "υι"

pronounced like "we"

which makes υἱὸς

which means son

[lethal moat]

Huh, that's interesting, it's a silo right, maybe grain storage

[acoustic osprey]

the English Latinisation of the word makes "Wheos"

[acoustic osprey]

mmm

Well, Apollo is the son of the Greek All-Father (Zeus)

[lethal moat]

Apollo had kids right? Which of his kids could work for an unknown container thingy

[acoustic osprey]

Apollo, despite later cults worshipping him for being the God of the Sun, was still connected to agriculture

if this is some sort of silo

[lethal moat]

Right

[acoustic osprey]

I know AE wouldn't likely have grain silos

but, using old silos they had for grain? Why not

[lethal moat]

This one

[acoustic osprey]

cheaper, rather than getting newer ones

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[lethal moat]

That certainly looks like it's for grain or liquid

[acoustic osprey]

mmmm

[acoustic osprey]

https://www.theoi.com/Olympios/ApollonFamily.html

[lethal moat]

Wonder what the little holes at the top are for

Wait a second, we know a guy who might know more about this

[acoustic osprey]

hmm

[lethal moat]

Hey Dondi, if you're watching, are those Time, Species, Location events you talked about currently in gateway?

[lethal moat]

So you know how current AI can develop a cognitive bias with their responses, what if that’s what happened to gen 1, the replicator has a bias towards dinosaurs, because that’s what it is used to, and when asked to create the perfect human, it made some features more savage/dino like

[random copper]

Wouldn't the AI also carry the bias of its creators, too? Whatever that may be.

[lethal moat]

Potentially, yeah

We need to start thinking about how the replicator might think before we can understand it’s intentions and nature

[dusk pier]

What does evrima mean ?

[steel summit]

discovery (atleast thats what google tells me)

[dusk pier]

What language?

[steel summit]

greek

but is google so take with a grain of salt

[steel summit]

gen 1 appreciation

[strange shell]

I've already seen that picture somewhere

[steel summit]

no you havent its brand new

[strange shell]

Oh alright
I must have confused him with someone else

[steel summit]

yep

[strange shell]

What's Gen 1 ? Are those natives from the island ?

[steel summit]

maybe, maybe not

[acoustic osprey]

Greek for discovery

[lethal moat]

Does anybody have any guesses on where this could be?

[nimble fractal]

By looking at the possible staircase holders to their left(or is it a table?) and hazmat suits which people usually wear in dangerous places, I think they went from underground
Cant say exact location though

[lethal moat]

I want to say K15

[nimble fractal]

Hmm can be

Also, any news about lore for the past week? I guess I missed some

[lethal moat]

Nothing new, Isaac did find this connection tho: #isle-lore-theories message

[nimble fractal]

Ohhh 👀

[lethal moat]

Neuros at H4, now if only we were 100% confident about where it is

[pure lodge]

Mere concept art imo

[mortal hound]

its me when im hungry

oh wait i misread that lol

oopsie daisy

[low scarab]

Why do we think the Replicator wants sacrifices

[strange shell]

Who DOESN'T want sacrifices ?

[low scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/979041925619396629/1078122333203607552/acBGxLVn.gif

[pseudo fable]

I could show you where the inspiration was taken from.

[scarlet verge]

https://tenor.com/view/showme-show-me-morpheus-gif-5144220

[mortal hound]

we say show me please

[mortal hound]

it would be of upmost importance to us if you would kindly take time out of your day and tell us please 🎩 ☕

[pseudo fable]

It's not lore related. We just needed an appropriate angle.

[mortal hound]

neat

what was the inspiration from if you don't mind me asking?

it looks great nonetheless

I am aware the isle isnt connected to any outside sources lore related I am just curious

[mortal hound]

nice

thanks, is that an actual spot on gateway? I'm assuming it is but you never know

[pseudo fable]

Yes.

[mortal hound]

neat

[pseudo fable]

Circled the camera location in the first image and the direction it faces.

[mortal hound]

Ah, I'll tell the other lore goblins if they want to see for themselves

incase they miss your messages here

[pseudo fable]

That's fine. It's just the starter idea I used for the pitch.

We took that framing and went from there.

But the image itself doesn't necessarily mean something real.

[mortal hound]

Yeah I think I understood that, just if they want to explore for fun I suppose

[scarlet verge]

Is the hazmat suit eventually going to be a skin or wearable for Gen 2s? Or would they need them to go outside at all?

[mortal hound]

Interesting, I think it was rumple who theorized they were the actual apollo workers. Maybe that was confirmed but I don't nearly have as good of an understanding of lore than the others

maybe you will be able to find them around the map and wear them when gen 2 releases, would be neat

[patent ginkgo]

Wasn’t confirmed I don’t think

[mortal hound]

ah

[scarlet verge]

Oh that's interesting if they are. I was wondering if the dinos were genetically modified to survive the atmosphere, but certain parts could be toxic to Gen 2 and they need hazmat suits for those areas. I know it's a stretch lol

[mortal hound]

well they are not actual dinosaurs, and considering that air and oxygen was much more different back when they actually existed, they would have to have modifications to live properly

also don if you even are still here, appreciate the profile picture. Is it the actual model with the helmet on or just a photoshop edit?

[patent ginkgo]

The Mesozoic in general had elevated CO2 levels

[scarlet verge]

Good point, but have we confirmed that it's Earth and near-present day in the timeline. If so, then I'm sure Gen 2 would be fine in the atmosphere. Actually if they modified the dinos then I'm sure they modified Gen 2 to be compatible

[mortal hound]

yeah i didnt know the specifics, just knew it was way different lol

[mortal hound]

the isle does take place on earth yes

I think AE was at it's prime in the 80's, and I think it was said that the game takes place current day. Not sure though so take me with a grain of salt

JollyRaptor could most likely explain better and be more confident than I am

[lethal moat]

I appreciate waking up to this, thank you Dondi

[pseudo fable]

Funnily enough, the suits were originally a stand-in so we didn't have to draw a bunch of character detail. Almost all design falls to the first question of, "What does Don want to do with X?" and sometimes I'll not have something immediately prepared (such as all the human head references at the time) and I said, "Slam 'em in a hazmat suit so we only have to draw a human shape and not a face."

Gen 2's will get something indicative of the images. Probably not the exact standard hazmat design because that would be awful in a jungle, but at the same time I remember what it was like to not care and just want the cool thing from the images to feed my own fan hunger so we'll see.

[lethal moat]

Anything on the replicator we don’t already know you want to tell us?

[mortal hound]

haha that's fair, don't want to overwork those concept artists lol. Also that helps me understand the whole wearing hazmat suits in a jungle thing so thank you

[pseudo fable]

Yeah, those are very much generic hazmats you see IRL. They wouldn't work in a jungle, but we have dinomonsters so what's it really matter? I am still working on suit designs.

[mortal hound]

awesome

yeah, with all the branches and pointy bits in the jungle I wouldnt expect the hazmat suits to work very well

[patent ginkgo]

Hey Don, anything on botany lore? Like what is Dulse doing on a tropical island?

[lethal moat]

Anything new on gen 1 culture or AE phase hierarchy? (The two are totally related, shut up)

[mortal hound]

give don a second guys he sent a message in isle discussion and is now being bombarded lol

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[mortal hound]

applies to any dev or person that is high in the member list really

[pseudo fable]

Phase hierarchy?

[lethal moat]

The different levels of classification, the living roadmap was level 2, the Augustus vid was level 3, I explained that poorly

[patent ginkgo]

Security levels

[lethal moat]

Yis

[mortal hound]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[pseudo fable]

You'll know as more comes out. I am still sending out drafts of terminology and internal AE lingo that's used to see how it's received. "Lineage displacement" was obviously a hit.

But there's some others I'm not fully sold on.

[lethal moat]

Still talked about consistently lol

[pseudo fable]

Same with the voice modulation.

[steel summit]

aight, so its basically "not sure yet"?

[lethal moat]

hMmMmm

[mortal hound]

not lore related but a question I have nonetheless

[mortal hound]

i know someone who once used voice modulation

[pseudo fable]

Thanks for making me feel old.

[mortal hound]

no ive heard of it before lol

[pseudo fable]

https://tenor.com/bch9W.gif

[steel summit]

is good movie

[pseudo fable]

Just imagine R. Lee Ermey as a troodon named Gunny.

[mortal hound]

I havent seen the movie myself sadly but I do know what that helmet is from

very iconic

[lethal moat]

Ooo, I do actually have another question I thought of immediately, is this out of date?

[pseudo fable]

It is until it isn't.

[lethal moat]

These hands look a bit smol

[steel summit]

amazing answer

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-boss-moxxie-sad-moxxie-gif-11776855495253283131

[patent ginkgo]

Are there any other creatures in lore that have a similar origin story to troodon?

[pseudo fable]

Gen 1 is not a moniker for one thing. *Originally it was, because we wanted to throw in the caveman experience and apply a more brutal layer of paint. It's grown to something else.

[steel summit]

ooh

[pure lodge]

Omniraptor

[lethal moat]

So multiple things worship the replicator?

[pseudo fable]

I wouldn't say worship. Some are very animal-esque.

[mortal hound]

yeah, the isle lore followers such as yourself do

[pseudo fable]

They don't really have the cognitive ability to worship.

[pseudo fable]

Don't shit on people for what they enjoy. I won't have that here.

[mortal hound]

Oh I didn't mean it like that, sorry

[patent ginkgo]

They’re also a lore person

[lethal moat]

He’s joking, he’s in the lore server too lol

[steel summit]

okay, so my "gen 1 = replicator's perfect human" theory is probably wrong then, alright

[mortal hound]

Yeah all good

I am also a lore nerd

[pseudo fable]

And from an outside perspective, it's the perfect sentence to twist into something else for the excessive amount of flamebaiting disingenuous people that are here.

[lethal moat]

So, does that mean something (echidna) is guiding the gen 1 to worship the replicator?

[pseudo fable]

So I will not have it.

[lethal moat]

Fair

[pseudo fable]

No. It's a bit simpler than that.

It knows where it comes from.

[mortal hound]

that makes sense, once again that wasn't my intention but it's better to be safe then sorry

[pseudo fable]

o7

[steel summit]

so gen 1 "worshipping" the replicator is more instinct than religion?

[lethal moat]

Very cool, while I’m thinking about Echidna, are the trinity gen 1, gen 2, or human?

[iron anchor]

rumple

[mortal hound]

Maybe, I took it as like they are more primal about it

[pseudo fable]

That's going to be headcanon, because the answer is a question.

[steel summit]

ah ok

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/megan-interesting-gif-14176736

[iron anchor]

gen 1 designed around climbing?

[mortal hound]

also people were talking about this, we believe it was just a keyboard from a different place that isnt America but thought I would bring it up none the less

[lethal moat]

Are the time, species, location events in rn, asking for a friend who totally didn’t record an hour of Dryo footage for what might have been a tree creaking

[lethal moat]

They climb very fast

[patent ginkgo]

Hey Don, any clues to where gateway is located geographically? And/or can we deduce that from the map itself (besides just being near the equator)

[steel summit]

keyboard looks completely normal to me

[pseudo fable]

I don't believe it is done in such a way that it can be figured out yet.

[mortal hound]

it was because it was Qwertz instead of Qwerty

[iron anchor]

i mean because we had that discussion confused on what gen 1 would be effective at because they’re skinny and have big feet and hands. someone suggested tightly packed muscle fibers like an orangutan

[lethal moat]

Z and y are swapped

[steel summit]

oh yeah didnt notice that before now

[pseudo fable]

Obviously some people have guessed correctly but that's due to the sheer volume of, "Could it be X?"

[lethal moat]

Don said they climb really well

[patent ginkgo]

[iron anchor]

ah ok

[mortal hound]

im going to travel to every X place and try and find gateway irl now

We so excited

[steel summit]

just like with the mystery playable

[pseudo fable]

What.

[mortal hound]

I think they meant since so many people are guessing what X could be, someone is bound to have a right guess eventually

[steel summit]

yep

[mortal hound]

since it applies to both scenarios

[lethal moat]

So, now we know gen 1 aren’t particularly intelligent, does that change my guess of replicator>echidna>eyeless>gen 1 pecking order theory?

[steel summit]

from #isle-lore-theories message i can deduce that my gen 1 creation theory is probably wrong

[lethal moat]

At least needs to be tweaked and looked at later

[steel summit]

maybe

[mortal hound]

idk if you ever feel bad about incorrect theories but I don't think they should be looked at as bad when proven wrong but as improvement in new theories. I havent created any theories myself yet but that's how I view the whole thing

[lethal moat]

I do like the theory of echidna being a spiritual leader.

[mortal hound]

was saying this just in case you felt bummed out about it

Trying to keep the spirits (and maybe new theories) up

[low scarab]

Don do gen 2s have natural rights and liberties or are they considered property (expecting that ae owns gen 2 some form or another)

[maiden sundial]

Sorry, yea I'm not thinking right.

Got it.

[pseudo fable]

🫡

[maiden sundial]

Once again sorry.

[pseudo fable]

I don't care. Just follow rules and be a normal human.

No harm done.

[maiden sundial]

Aight got ya.

Now ANYWAY. Back to the funny lore.

[mortal hound]

Afk so might not participate in lore sharing for a while

[lethal moat]

Oh, entombment, I assume that’s storing genetic material, but does it actually kill whatever is being entombed, is our Augustus boy ok?

[void apex]

Speaking of human beings and harm done. I am wondering at what capacity the people were forced of the island. It might be a lack of clues currently in game but it doesn't seem like the people were forced of in a brutal way, just a quick way.

There's no skeletons half stuffed in the closet from trying to hide away from something attacking them, so I am curious if there are any implications surrounding their leave that one can take away from the assets currently in game.

Because something obviously pushed the humans off the island, but exactly what I don't think has been even suggested at, other than it being or having something to do with the replicator.

[low scarab]

Also how does don appear at the most inconvenient times for me

[maiden sundial]

Hm. Well it's likely any bones that survived decomposed, and or were eaten already.

[lethal moat]

We also haven’t seen a lot of indoor spaces

[low scarab]

Where would they take the gen 2s anyway

[lethal moat]

Replicator pit. 🙂

[void apex]

The Gen 2s are a different thing, I am asking about the regular humans

the ones who made gen 2s

[maiden sundial]

Regular humans were probably just killed.

That or there are some few that escaped.

[void apex]

or fled

[maiden sundial]

And knowing animals, I doubt the bones would last long.

[patent ginkgo]

Knowing ceras*

[lethal moat]

If my gen 1 revolution theory is correct, anything that is alive could have been sacrificed

[rough heart]

Especially with Certas roaming around, those would make a lovely snack

[maiden sundial]

True.

[void apex]

With how intact most insides are, I don't think it was a methodical slaughter of them all.

Probably something more akin to that of them all fleeing, while some maybe opted to hide away.

[maiden sundial]

Can't really hide from the eyeless though.

[lethal moat]

Getting inside the larger structures will help with that

[patent ginkgo]

Whatever happened, it happened fast

[lethal moat]

Don’t really know enough about that

[patent ginkgo]

Too much left behind

[void apex]

If they didn't even manage to get the stock away from the dockyard, then you know stuff was BAD

[maiden sundial]

They're blind, so it's likely they have at least some form of echolocation.

[void apex]

It must've been a chaotic and insanely fast evacuation, leaving many behind

[lethal moat]

Probably, but we don’t know, accuracy over good assumptions

[patent ginkgo]

They left files, computers, personal belongings and other things, to an extent

[lethal moat]

The Morse code signals at the radio towers, RIP Jeremy

[patent ginkgo]

Suggests a lack of coordination at least during the event

[maiden sundial]

I doubt other than the tartarus security, that or the perimeter I don't think there were many weapons on the island.

[lethal moat]

And that brings us back to why wait so long to take it back and if gen 2 on the island is a experiment

[rough heart]

Whatever happened defiantly happened all at once for them to just leave everything behind like that. Something that likely prompted a huge emergency evac of everywhere(except potentially parts of Tartarus but that’s more a shot in the dark than solid evidence atm) and something causing a mass lack of communication and coordination on top of that

[maiden sundial]

Hundreds of personnel went missing overnight from god knows where. That'd take a lot to save face from.

[lethal moat]

They signed ndas, it’s all fine

[void apex]

There should have been some signs of struggle, although this might just be due to the fact that we do not have all human assets yet, and that details will perhaps be worked on later.

[maiden sundial]

Yea, but what about the families who didn't? And are concerned for their family members well being.

[rough heart]

Though I think we do need to remember that ‘all at once’ does not mean EXACTLY in the same moment, whatever occurs likely was definitely over the corse of a few days to even weeks given the side of the facilities

[patent ginkgo]

At least we can rule out a natural disaster

[lethal moat]

Bah

[void apex]

But stuff like stray bullet holes in walls or doors, attempts to barricade doors or such things.

[lethal moat]

We will see when gateway is fully fleshed out

[void apex]

Those are all things we should see in at least some human buildings

but yeah, poor Visual has enough on his plate as is, although he is absolutely killing it

[rough heart]

Also yeah this is another thing to remember, gateway is not fully done yet, and Visual has been kicking ass in terms of design work already and I’d def imagine certain things are hight we up on the priorities list as it stands from a work pipeline

[pseudo fable]

You also should probably take into account no matter how much environmental storytelling I (or any of you) would like, it still has to be part of a larger sandbox that applies to various playable creatures and human(oid)s.

Which means some of that environmental storytelling is limited.

For instance, I can partially populate the interior walls of the dome structures in this.

Single player could take place entirely inside it and populate everything.

[lethal moat]

Right, anything right now for environmental storytelling on gateway, specifically TSL events?

[rough heart]

This is also very true! And another part of game development taking way longer than people like to give credit for, it’s just a lot of stuff we have to wait for once we have things that can see said environmental storytelling(as much as it might drive us a little crazy)

But I am also very curious about TSL events, if there is anything you can say on that front

[pseudo fable]

TSL?

[lethal moat]

The time species location things you said you would prefer awhile back

[pseudo fable]

Acronyms everywhere. I forget a lot of them.

[lethal moat]

Yeah, it happens

[pseudo fable]

You'll have to send me the exact reference so I can give a more specific answer.

[lethal moat]

I’m hearing a yes, I checked out something that people said they heard at the smaller triangle bridge, didn’t find anything tho

[pseudo fable]

Oh, you mean where players would have to line up some specific parameters to catch lore objects.

[lethal moat]

Yes

[pseudo fable]

Playing as X species and being at Y location at Z time.

No. I'm hammering down more pressing things like the video and sheet styles with Tapwing and Seiza. Those are going to dictate pretty much all future presentation "from" the in-game world. We have a few more styles we're trying still.

TLS requires a completely different perspective from what we're currently doing.

[lethal moat]

Ight, cool

You just destroyed the sanity of two people lol

[pseudo fable]

?

[lethal moat]

We had two people in the lore server swearing they heard something, my bet is it was a tree creaking

[bronze zodiac]

It definitely did not sound like a tree creaking

[lethal moat]

You sent the thing you said it sounded like, I thought it was tree creaking, we’ll keep looking into it

[rough heart]

I mean I’m down to keep looking into it but I don’t think we can get around a hard no

[lethal moat]

Just because it isn’t TSL doesn’t mean it can’t be something else

[bronze zodiac]

Well I know what I'm going to be obsessing over for a while trying to figure out what it is my best guess is large pterosaur quickly opening and closing its mouth multiple times

[rough heart]

This is also true!

[lethal moat]

On this note, any new acronyms you want to tell?

[mortal hound]

we talking about the noise that you waited to hear in the specific spot? Yeah i'm guessing it was ambient noise

[pseudo fable]

Not yet, no.

[pseudo fable]

Post it. Let me hear.

[rough heart]

If we can actually get a recording we will!

[patent ginkgo]

some more Apollo subsidiaries would be great too

[pseudo fable]

Then it's definitely made up placebo. There's nothing sneakily put into the audio.

[lethal moat]

They both heard it, they just weren’t recording at the time

[bronze zodiac]

Yeah I honestly should get into the habit of recording just in case something interesting happens like that

[lethal moat]

The fact that you say this does make me think there might be something somewhere tho

[rough heart]

Yeah, this one was a mutli-person thing, and just I don’t have the space to record all the time unfortunately

[pseudo fable]

That would be of poor character. I'd sooner avoid acknowledging the question if that were the case. This time I directly inquired. That's not a show of someone trying to be cheeky.

[lethal moat]

Dang

So is ceti/Deimos two different designations or just one?

[steel summit]

Oh, well you did avoid my "Are gen 1 "human"? " question, but alright

[mortal hound]

I started being interested in the lore way after legacy ended so I am probably fortunate that I don't get confused nearly as much

[mortal hound]

He either didnt see it or likes to see what we come up with for them I think, I doubt it was with malicious intent

[steel summit]

No he saw it

[mortal hound]

alright

just trying to say I don't think he did it because you specifically asked the question or anything

[lethal moat]

Gen 1 are monsterous and less intelligent than we are, I’d say it’s closer to a base human, Dondi mentioned caveman, im starting to see more and more of that

Is there an Apollo subsidiary devoted to vehicles (and will those vehicles be able to be operated by players), like the jeep thing, helicopter, possibly that transport truck we saw that one time

[mortal hound]

maybe its more broad like mechanics and robotics as well, since robo quetz exists

[lethal moat]

True, (I will continue to advocate for the name necron quetz since I think it’s a ‘reanimated corpse’)

[mortal hound]

i like that idea

[hollow sinew]

I have a video of that sound, one from 2021 and one from this year 👀

Hold on lemme see if I can even find it

[pseudo fable]

Because that just gives away plot and fun. Of course it's being ignored. 😛

[hollow sinew]

okay i found it

[lethal moat]

YES, I would love questions like that to be a moral conundrum for players, like, the replicator does bad things, but so does AE

[pseudo fable]

That's a tree.

[hollow sinew]

THATS A TREE!?!? 😭😭

[lethal moat]

Check with the others on the server to make sure, but I will say I told you so

[pseudo fable]

Let me call in the expert.

[lethal moat]

Trees bend, they make creaky noises

[pseudo fable]

Yes, tree creaks```

[hollow sinew]

i mean, i could understand if it's a woodpecker type of "bird" but a tree- ;-;

[lethal moat]

Cool

[pseudo fable]

Yeah. Tree creaks. Sorry bud.

[hollow sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/的9-gif-27299608

[mortal hound]

so they arent government robot pigeons?

[pseudo fable]

Birds aren't real.

[mortal hound]

THATS what im saying

[lethal moat]

That’s going on the record

[mortal hound]

birds dont exist in the isle universe, the chickens on the island were actually an original idea by AE themselves

[lethal moat]

Seagulls are just hallucinations

[pseudo fable]

Honestly, it would be treachery to put sounds of dinosaurs preparing to enter the game into the ambience or I would do that as a fun thing.

[hollow sinew]

it's interesting how in that first clip from 2021 though outdated, it sounds like the creaking is going around, back and forth, but if wedge confirmed that then there's nothing more i can say 🤷‍♀️

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dont-you-dare-gif-21943972

[pseudo fable]

Mainly because I just want to put the horrifying clacks of a quetz beak in the distance before it's actually in the game.

"That sound is ambience it's no big deal."

[mortal hound]

make it a rare occurrence to play a rex broadcast or something similar (like quetz as you just said) to scare the life out of someone, like a 1 in a million chance

[young oriole]

LOL yeth please

[lethal moat]

I’m going to cry if I’m a troodon in a sanctuary and I hear a quetz

[mortal hound]

turns out i was the quetz

[pseudo fable]

You'd be fine. Getting a quetz to move in that would be a logistical nightmare.

Wait nevermind.

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-fight-film-charlie-day-im-sorry-what-excuse-me-gif-6046518

[rough heart]

[mortal hound]

it would have to be dead first so it wouldnt feel its bones breaking in between the trees (joke ofc)

[pseudo fable]

I forgot we actually set up collision to be classified on size alongside dinosaur pawns so certain things like a small rock would collide into a troodon but something like a tyrannosaur would outright ignore the collision.

Same thing could be done with those cycads and a quetz.

[lethal moat]

That’s neat, I hate it and it scares me

[pseudo fable]

It would still probably be awful to get an attack to actually hit someone running in the underbrush of the trunks. Obviously we wouldn't just let the beak ignore collision and stab someone through the trunk of the vegetation.

[pure lodge]

Speaking of quetz…what’s lore wise keeping them from leaving the island to head to the mainland? Ptera is understandable since it’s smaller and can’t make such gigantic trips but quetz is more than able to do it

[mortal hound]

that probably also helps with apexes getting scared of breaking a leg when they step on the smallest rock, more of a legacy issue though lol

[pseudo fable]

Is there something there?

[mortal hound]

i feel like its the opposite since quetz is bigger, also it wouldnt have a reason to

[lethal moat]

I’m trying to make out the story of a fun dinosaur game and you’re over here telling me about something that will give me trauma like a quetz just strolling over small trees

[mortal hound]

quetz is gonna be one of the things I play the most so have fun dealing with my shenanigans lol

[lethal moat]

While we’re on the topic of quetz, could you tell us the robo-quetz’s purpose, this is a pretty well debated subject in the server

[hollow sinew]

the isle is set in a post-apocalyptic world and the islands are the only thing left with life confirmed?!

[mortal hound]

half life moment

[pseudo fable]

I did think that for a while.

Although not with the islands being the only thing with life. But definitely a "world over" situation.

[mortal hound]

my world is crumbling around me

[lethal moat]

Interesting, so the world outside the islands is significantly changed from what we would consider normal?

[pseudo fable]

I didn't say that.

[mortal hound]

he said that it was an idea he thought of

[lethal moat]

I know, trying to see if he was playing with different ideas along the same vein of thought and just didn’t pick that one

[pseudo fable]

I may not answer what happens outside at all because this very well could be contained to a story where I wouldn't need to. 😛

Someone said simply in the background video I'm listening to and my brain printed that twice. I think it's time to sleep.

[lethal moat]

Very true, and then we will suffer wondering why gen 2 and if they were made off the island

Peace out Dondi, thanks for the info

[mortal hound]

goodnight, sleepy time!

[pseudo fable]

Well, yeah.

There's more than one.

[steel summit]

Oh

[lethal moat]

I always forget there are more than just the one island, and not all of them could have fallen

[mortal hound]

Lore is more fun if not all questions are answered

I firmly believe so anyway

so like the outside world not being answered is fun to think about

[maiden sundial]

Quetzalcoatlus were likely nomadic considering we even have quetzals all the way in west Africa.

[mortal hound]

this game isnt supposed to be realistic btw, don said he wanted people to carry that message in discussion chat

[lethal moat]

I wouldn’t mind, especially if we get the company’s history

[maiden sundial]

Oh I know, but with how dondi phrased it. I'm guessing that in lore quetzals are fully capable of reaching the mainland.

[steel summit]

Its realistic but the Dinosaurs arent scientifically accurate, theres a difference

[pure lodge]

Yeah but still an animal like that IS capable of transcontinental travel

[mortal hound]

I do realize it is somewhat realistic but overall the game is its own thing

[lethal moat]

Wonder if sacrificing something to the replicator as a gen 1 will have a neat music trigger

[maiden sundial]

Iirc ptera is theorized to be modified so their stamina was much less as a way to prevent them leaving the island. Perhaps quetzal would have the same modified limitations?

[pseudo fable]

I had a really long joke typed out but I feel it would promote lore insanity that shouldn't be promoted.

[lethal moat]

It’s too late

[patent ginkgo]

We’re all insane already

[bronze zodiac]

We've all lost our sanity a long time ago

[pure lodge]

I am insane for Herrera

[mortal hound]

trying to find what he said again to make sure im not misinterpreting stuff

[patent ginkgo]

Augustus lineage

[rough heart]

Trust me I don’t think it can make us more insane

[pure lodge]

I’m guessing dilo might have a teaser like the Augustus video

[steel summit]

We are already insane

[pseudo fable]

You say you needed something from the archives?

#isle-discussion message

[mortal hound]

ah thanks

[patent ginkgo]

Dilo named Jeremy

[mortal hound]

when i tried to search up messages you sent discord wasnt letting me so thanks a bunch

[dusk pier]

Did AE steel the fire ?

[lethal moat]

We didn’t start the fire

[rough heart]

But AE possibly did

[mortal hound]

ok I dont think i was misinterpreting what you said (maybe im double stupid lol)

[dusk pier]

fire of prometheus sory

[lethal moat]

It was always burning since the world was turning

[lethal moat]

Hold up, Prometheus is a big legend, anything that mentions that could be important, keep your eyes peeled for whenever that appears

[dusk pier]

Oh i just assumed there might be something called fire of prometheus

[lethal moat]

Maybe like a dock with a lighthouse or something? Idk, feel like it’s be more important than my idea

[rough heart]

I mean not to be that guy but Prometheus is a little huge for giving humanity fire
There could have been someone who gave the “fire”(knowledge of what was happening on the islands) or at least tried to, only to be stopped, as Prometheus was captured after giving humanity the fire, and thusly his ||eyes and kidneys were removed|| daily

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 could be the ‘fire’? Brain thinky hurty

[dusk pier]

If i had to make a really far fetched theory id say the fire of prometheus is the knowledge or a sample on where strains come from like is it alien dna or a mutigen descovered

[lethal moat]

No aliens, but I like the rest

[rough heart]

No aliens but I also like that idea

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/no-capes-gif-8052678

[dusk pier]

Alien as in its foreign to us not outer space

[lethal moat]

Alright… go on

[dusk pier]

If i had to continue the idea of it being a mutigen it could have been stolen from titans asin titan sized companies

[pure lodge]

Also the excuse of aliens just ruins the uniqueness of the lore imo since aliens being the reason has been done countless times

[steel summit]

titans as in islandwalker maybe? (yes i see the last part)

[lethal moat]

Apollo is a titan sized company, I agree with Hawkeye’s connection, he beat me to it

[dusk pier]

And the "gods" Olympians being the people that made dinos AE or the founders of AE

[lethal moat]

I like this theory

[rough heart]

Iirc islandwalker isn’t canon anymore
But given exactly how MASSIVE of a conglomeration Apollo is as a company they defiantly could’ve “stolen” them by buying out a new subsidiary

[dusk pier]

So this could make sence that AE was founded after the fire was stolen

[rough heart]

It does make sense in a way that someone else made it, only for Apollo to take it
I also like it

[dusk pier]

But if AE was the Olympians in a way if we keep true to the format of Greek mythology it would make sense as Olympians are AE as they make dinosaurs basically playing god but then the replicator plays a role

And in Greek mythology titans didn't make people only Olympians so they had the knowledge and AE now has it or improve on it and made it real

[rough heart]

Well I mean, echidna may be the mother of monsters, but she did not make them alone
Have we considered that the replicator could potentially be a Typhon in this situation?

[dusk pier]

Good idea

But i like the idea the game isn't entirely base off the greek mythology

Anyway its was only ever a fan theory

If the devs use it awesome if not the probably have a better idea win win

[lethal moat]

It was never removed from canon, could still be around

[rough heart]

Ah okay, then yeah we could also be stealing from actual titans in this instance

[dusk pier]

? Explain

[rough heart]

Under the pretense of your theory, being that Apollo stole the mutagen structures from somewhere else, if there’s this giant walking literal titan of a thing around, from my own perspective anyway, I’d take some of its genetic material

Or we could even be looking too small-scale, and under that idea presented Apollo could be stealing multiple “fires” from multiple sources

[dusk pier]

Its a bit out there

[rough heart]

True, but so are many theories we have right now because our perspective of understanding is not a full one yet

[dusk pier]

I think titan companies finding the reminance of unknown organisms amd extraction mutigen from it and then a group of employees steeling it and then founding AE is the same direction

U can still have the big unknown organisms in the not sure if it cannon or not zone

U can even ignore things like who would be zuse and just keep a loos form of greek mythology

[dusk pier]

Mybe there should be no full theory

[lethal moat]

Currently, its better to have many small theories, rather than large sweeping assumptions

In my opinion at least

[dusk pier]

Yes

My theory is just a loos base idea on how it might have started

Open to anything changes

[lethal moat]

Flexible theorists are better than people who refuse to accept change

[dusk pier]

Anyone refusing change? Well turn them into gen 1

🫡

[lethal moat]

Easy

[rough heart]

i don't think there should be either, because more flexible stuff is better and can be easily adjusted
what i'm trying to say is, even in that, many theories will sound out there because we have a very limited perspective of solid lore as it currently stands, not that there should be one big thing

[dusk pier]

Wait no turn them into gen 0

[lethal moat]

I forgot you had those lol

[dusk pier]

They need to make this an april fools joke

Gen 0 PengHuman and FlaminHuman

[iron anchor]

lolmao

[dusk pier]

What keeps hyper spino up at night

[lethal moat]

Neuro Spino

[dusk pier]

The reasons strains cant sleep #isle-lore-theories message

[steel summit]

the reason rumple cant sleep*

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-alec-guinness-obi-wan-kenobi-serious-think-gif-5199304

Very interesting

[lethal moat]

Soft confirmation that not all that islands fell?

[low scarab]

Where is the view of logo island again?

[acoustic osprey]

What?

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, eh

[lethal moat]

I like that there’s more planned for gen 1 then unga bunga caveman brain, but that they’re still not super intelligent

[acoustic osprey]

Yeah, that was a bummer

[lethal moat]

I’m choosing to believe this is the best that we have, but something more up to date exists

[acoustic osprey]

So it at least knows where it comes from, the Replicator

[lethal moat]

Yes

[acoustic osprey]

But, it seems like Gen1s are more than just a single thing

Which, line up and extent on the old Olympus Transmitter tweets about Tribal cycles

[lethal moat]

Right, gen 1 infighting or different groups could be fun

Also, just realized, never brought up triangles, totally should have done that

[acoustic osprey]

It's either than likely something akin to Tribal lineage- the longer they produced Tribals, the more it changed

Or anything human that they made were Gen1s.
Some were dumb, smart, etc

What do we play now? The final version?

[acoustic osprey]

Ah damn.

[lethal moat]

We need more replicator thingies

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-valin-hess-mandalorian-to-the-empire-empire-gif-20405226

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-ill-drink-to-that-bro-gif-12940340

We will be getting more AE lingo though, that’ll be fun, and the voice modulation implies we’ll be hearing recordings of people at some point

[low scarab]

In a don stream a while ago the same stream w/ the horn sound he showed off a small area where you could look out and see the island that is in the isle’s logo

[acoustic osprey]

Wonder if it is so, if it will be like the Batman Arkham Asylum voice tapes

[acoustic osprey]

Oh the Britian England
It's south east

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-dark-darkness-batman-dark-knight-gif-18217991

[lethal moat]

Could be censored video footage as well, recordings of witnesses to incident reports

[acoustic osprey]

Roughly here

[low scarab]

Thanks

[acoustic osprey]

Mmmm, could be

[low scarab]

Where did we get the Britain England from

[lethal moat]

We got a little bit of gameplay stuff about the rex avoiding variations in it’s walk

[low scarab]

Also give me the juice from don today

[lethal moat]

Not a ton of lore stuff, but a decent amount, worth a few tweaks to the lore document

Gen 1 know where they came from

[acoustic osprey]

The name? Looked like Britain

Also, don't bother trying to find the location the horns played

[low scarab]

lol good enough for me

[acoustic osprey]

Especially since it's not a priority for something like that

[low scarab]

So is that idea dropped completely?

[lethal moat]

Gen 2 could have been created on another island, if not all the islands fell

[low scarab]

Why move on from it and focus mainly on artwork file sheets videos etc

[lethal moat]

Eh, more like we know it’s not there right now

[low scarab]

👍

[acoustic osprey]

I wouldn't say completely removed

But no where near a current priority

[low scarab]

Fair enough definitely expect other things to be worked on first

[lethal moat]

One day we’re going to be stroking on gateway and we are going to hear a gunshot eerily close to us

[acoustic osprey]

Yes

[grand sigil]

I might need context on "horns playing"
Some easter egg on Gateway? Or something from a past map?

[lethal moat]

TSL thing from an old steam

[grand sigil]

Yeah I didn't think that would be a recent thing lol

[dusk pier]

HippoSpino strain just found

We need it

Thiccasoures

[lethal moat]

Hypo spino

[modern rover]

too big to be hypo

[steel summit]

too fat

[steel summit]

gen 1 appreciation

both can be correct because of what dondi said

[acoustic osprey]

both are correct

They're just different heads

[lethal moat]

Is just customization

Does make me curious about what the eyeless looks like

[steel summit]

both can be different in more than just visuals as well

[acoustic osprey]

i believe Don said only visuals

[lethal moat]

True, gen 1 differntiation for different groups could be cool

[steel summit]

don said (gen 1 are more than just one thing)

[acoustic osprey]

no no, in terms of gameplay

within the head customisation
of the two heads

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message This is phrased a bit weird, I'm going to side with Hawkey on this one

[steel summit]

im not the smartest guy in the world

[karmic olive]

Imagine jumping on dinos with this thing

[lethal moat]

One sec, let me find old cannibal Tapwing art

[steel summit]

imagine is all we can do right now sadly

[lethal moat]

Old stuff

[acoustic osprey]

did you just call it

[steel summit]

very very old and unofficial

[lethal moat]

First thing I thought of

[lethal moat]

What are you referring to?

[acoustic osprey]

cannibal

[lethal moat]

The thing I posted was cannibal, I refuse to call gen 1 anything other than gen 1 or friend

[acoustic osprey]

It's an eyeless Rump

if you relate this time era to Legacy's Lore

[steel summit]

yep

cannibal is tribal

[acoustic osprey]

this related to Don referring to Gen1s are Cannibals
and the supposed "Cannibals" actually having their own name

[lethal moat]

I’m my defense, it is 4 and my second night in a row skipping sleep, and I mostly ignore legacy stuff

[acoustic osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-rat-jump-gif-3333922911057271749

[steel summit]

go sleep

[acoustic osprey]

suppose you must explode now

[steel summit]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-rat-jump-gif-3333922911057271749

[karmic olive]

Are they cannibals tho if they hunt for dinos

[lethal moat]

Still probably sacrifice things and others like you to replicator, but that concept art isn’t canon, now we have gen 1 and the eyeless

[acoustic osprey]

I mean, at that time
it was about sacrificing yourself and fellow Tribals

and also eating your brethren

[lethal moat]

Also, Isaac, I tweaked the lore doc as a result of new info, could you look over it

[acoustic osprey]

FINE!!!!

sure i'll get on 😊

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-boss-moxxie-sad-moxxie-gif-11776855495253283131

[acoustic osprey]

if you haven't, I'm gonna add the Greek (gonna refer to Greek, just for the time being)-named company

at the unknown terms section

[lethal moat]

Where is that referenced?

[acoustic osprey]

Wheos?

[lethal moat]

Oh yeah

[acoustic osprey]

aye, that one

[lethal moat]

Put parenthesis with storage next to it in the unknown bit

[acoustic osprey]

aye

[low scarab]

#isle-lore-theories message

What did don mean?

[steel summit]

Maybe that a single player ode could take place in the domes

[low scarab]

Ode?

And yea ik but how? Is he talking abt ai or something

[dusk pier]

Im going to redo the theory i posted here

[scarlet verge]

Is that the first reference to a single-player mode? It could be cool to play as Gen2 against AI dinos and Gen1. I'd much rather play as a dino in multiplayer, but the horror aspect of playing as a Gen2 in single player would be really cool, especially if first person

[dusk pier]

2nd reference to single-player i remember him saying that they might bring out a single-player if they wanted or needed to do it

[meager junco]

Single player would definitely help people who don’t want to get too deep into the lore to at least know the backstory to the game

[low scarab]

Personally I really think ai should be taken more seriously because it could fill that role of Boredom and nothing to do with some added difficulty and threat especially in sanctuaries we could use something to hunt juvies maybe ambush them some kind of ai

[split narwhal]

the top-middle one looks like someone smacked their nuts real hard

[iron anchor]

lol

[split narwhal]

there could be some lore behind this

who knows

[iron anchor]

i know it’s dated but it’ll probably move the same, bottom right running bipedal instead of on all 4’s

maybe it won’t be too slow after all

[maiden sundial]

Well also see that it possibly caught up to a carno (top right corner)

[iron anchor]

i doubt it, probably jumped down onto it from a tree

or had an ambush

it’ll probably be fast as the utah

[meager junco]

Yeh cause if Gen 1 goes more than 50 km/h it’s just gonna be one scary creature for almost any Dino

[kindred bobcat]

isent the V2 like a eyeless type of guy?

[lethal moat]

Just a customization option, the eyeless are something else

[iron anchor]

eyeless is going to have different biology?

[lethal moat]

Probably

[teal glen]

The massive lack of stamina is because the dinosaurs have Asthma.

[lethal moat]

Just don't exhaust yourself to nothing, stop at 50%

[teal glen]

4 meters then

[lethal moat]

Not really the channel for complaining in

[lethal moat]

Hyper gates

[iron anchor]

hey thats like

exactly the place from that one concept art picture

oh nevermind its a bit different

[meager junco]

And from what I’m seeing, a lot of it is being used in the actual game, the garage is the only thing that isn’t there

Even the lighting at night, it’s that exact yellow lighting seen in the pics

[bleak flint]

where is that

[lethal moat]

Perimiter dome, we got a warehouse area and offices and a garage

[bleak flint]

in this new patch?

[lethal moat]

Yes

[bleak flint]

cool

[acoustic osprey]

it's certainly similar

i definitely presume it'll be an area within Perimeter

same architecture

[calm badge]

Where is that?

[lethal moat]

#isle-lore-theories message

[calm badge]

Is perimiter dome the biggest dome?

[lethal moat]

Yes, hexadom

[calm badge]

and this is the main entrance to it?

[meager junco]

Btw has anyone found anything else, everything seemed the same for now

[lethal moat]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hotel-maybe-possibly-might-be-perhaps-gif-15643771

[meager junco]

It’s perimeter door(that’s the locations name)

[calm badge]

i need to look at a map

[lethal moat]

Not that I've seen

[meager junco]

Same

[lethal moat]

https://www.islemaps.com

[meager junco]

No H4?

[calm badge]

ty

[lethal moat]

Not yet