#🦡︴cotw-scotland
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Maybe they're really working hard and giving us a new map, a new GO, AND something they've given no hints of
Oh, and waterfowl rework
I doubt they will change the size of any the animals
calling a GO a new feature is weird in my mind, but I won’t rule it out
Retrievers would make a lot of sense with waterfowl rework
That's a valid point
Wait a minute
they said the update is going to be huge so maybe
I just realized the long awaited feature might be loadouts
I'd assume the size of the update comes from the massive rework that waterfowl are getting
I dont know if this was in the conversation earlier but it hit me just now so I must share it
That's been my hope... but there hasnt' been any hinting toward it that I'm aware of
I know I want the Moose to get a GO with new map, but here's what I think is gonna happen.
• June - First New Map DLC of 2022 with Waterfowl and new feature update.
• October - Retrievers Dog DLC with Moose Great One update.
• December- Second New Map DLC of 2022
The trophy shot function from Classic would be awesome
Loadouts would make the game soooo much better for vets and new gamers and everyone.
Twitters not much diff
Wait that isn't moose
It sounded to me like waterfowl are being reworked in stages.
That's bison
well, they didn’t specify ’new’ but still, calling a GO a long requested feature doesn’t really add up to me
furreal?
We got a bandaid-type fix for them first, and this update is the actual rework
Yeah GO Map animal weapon. None of that = New feature. Yes we may get a GO n new map but thats not the new feature being revealed next week. I think if its nit seasons it might be boats or some kind of outdoor acrivity
so no update in spring?
nah
Nope, still looks like moose
Spring is about to be over this year xD
I don't know if it's going to be a complete rework. I think it's going to be like a phase 1 of 2 or 3
there’s still several weeks to go
Twitter brought up the idea of feeders/bait; trail cams; horse mounts (give me horse mounts pleeeeease)
bison tracks dont split up
and judging by the timing of clues and such I’d say late this month
Spring ain't over until my birthday
I have a feeling the feature is going to be boats
😭
I think they'll just wait ro drop the Waterfowl update and the new feature (shown next Tuesday) with the new map early (hopefully) June
Feral horses?
I would love a horse mount... but I don't think it's likely
i too fear its going to be something like that
Could be horse riding
Im guessing that the feature is probably loadouts or trophy pics
we’ll see I guess
These seem the most likely to me, too
Why not feral horses
I wouldn’t mind kayaks for certain areas… like the NE lake in Cuatro. Great spot for RD but it would be even better with a kayak
Umm werent boats requested too?
who hunts a horse
Devs once said "EVERYTHING FROM CLASSIC ONE DAY, SOONER OR LATER WILL BE IMPLEMENTED IN COTW"
Yeah loadouts has always been highly requested. U'm against it though as its pandering to lazyness.
Paddle boards are superior 😏
If you're asking why no one hunts horses, that's not really a convo for this chat
You hunt from on top of the horse 🙂
Lol
but this guy wants feral horses
That would be interesting… paddle boarding with a 308 strapped to your back lol
They do exist tho
but it would be incredibly helpful to some people, like my Grandpa for example
Lmao
I want to be able to buy bullets in the “more than 10, and then have to click buy and then accept again” kind of way
To catch and then tame
With horses we should rename the game to the Cowboy
obviously but no one hunts them
I just spam click enter and the mouse button. Works like a charm
And a 300, and a pistol, and a bow...
You're absolutely right. Ok ive changed my stance on it. Hope tour Grandad enjoys the game.
Just let me click buy, and side scroll until the apropos amount by tens
Nvm
Yeah, I don't find the inventory management to be core to gameplay, loudouts would be nice 😄
Sure yup would be good to sell unwanted ammo too
Hellll yess
I accidentally bought ammo I didn’t own the gun for and had no intention of buying the gun tbh
Loadouts would be a game changer. It's almost painful to change maps.
And was stuck with it until I eventually reset my game
Has a store and storage filtering change been a requested feature as well?
Ya, we're getting seasons! Confirmed because mev- ved pic 😅
Wha?
What Medved pic?
There are areas with dead leaves in the forests afaik
Especially for casual people who don't play every day... they have to remember what classes of animals are on each map, what ammo goes with what guns (some are not obvious), check which classes can be harvest with which guns, etc
And then the rest is snow, snow and more snow
Snow is the reason I don't play Medved. I'll likely never switch to winter unless the water is frozen on maps and makes it easier to cross
It’s 90% frozen and the not frozen chunk is very obvious that you will fall into the crevasse of ice water and drown, sandwiched between two slick walls of ice
For all the other clues to not have snow and this one does I think that’s a big marker.
Unless it was just shots of maps with moose
Bow, easy fix
You can take all arrows
Oh and a .22
For flying bitchanimals
The weekly Friday post pic
Crossbow is a frequent part of my loadout for that reason
I use the compounds mainly for the reason I find it difficuly to use crossbows
Not sure if that confirms seasons tho.
I know, just seems like a hint
Yeah it could be
I would think something with mallard vs moose but idk
I think JB said noone picked up on the clue in this one. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/818877458140627044/969649864646488125/20220414_FB-TW_Community_Update_3.png
Is that still the case?
Nah, he said that no one caught it was a clue when it was first released
I would be surprised if it was seasons alone, as it won’t add much depth imo. It would be cosmetic. But I do recall the team ages ago talking about releasing certain maps at different seasons and having some fur variations season specific
Giving players a reason to hunt particular seasons
If it is seasons, then this is a place on a current map that isn't currently in fall
All deer species lose their antlers each year
Anybody else see the moose tracks in the picture for the community update?
Yuup
Bovines
I still say if it's seasons then we should be able to find some of these lakes on the current maps ... but no one has found any of these places .... They all look new ...
Was hoping someone was going to let on we hadn't and let him elaborate
lol, no need to punish people who came in late to the party 😄
They are also aerial shots which is a pov we aren't used to seeing them from
Early May is early for a new map trailer I think. Typically end of May or early June. Plus I wouldn’t call a new map a “long asked for feature”
Drone hunting confirmed! 🤣
I think they're two different things... the photos hinting at what the next map is, the long-asked for feature is something else entirely
I feel like it was said the photos pinned are not currently in game?
Yeah, June new map isn’t a far reach. And I think we’ve had features released in May before like Bloodhound DLC
Didn't jb comment saying even with 1000s of hours in the game he's surprised noone picked up on it
Yeah, he said he was surprised no one noticed that the first photo was a clue, given how much time people have put into it.
see thats what makes these clues impossible to decipher ... especailly if they are hinting at different parts of the updates
It wouldn't be fun if it were easy 😄
👆
Make sense since they showed Medved today as the cu so if it is season it could be medved in fall
Not sure it's fun at this point
Well, if it's not fun, it's completely ok to check out and wait for confirmed updates
Okay, let's say it's Sweden, what 9-10 max animals would you like to see on there (doesn't have to be all 9-10 new)
He did thats why some posted this pick yesterday
Maybe one of the reasons we got Apex Connect was so that they could use that tool to easily implement change of seasons on all platforms each week. Remember we got free guille suits with that, a winter one a spring one a fall one !. Maybe
True
And it could add new animals to maps which would make sense for ducks since they migrate
Forced seasons wouldn't be accepted well tho
Another possibility with Apex connect is competitions? Like classic and something they’ve spoken about and had requested lots but struggled to implement fairly
Indeed. They must have had good future reasons for using Apex Connect
Oooooh, what if it's fixing hunt club?
One thing they have done well with, is player interest.
Hunt Club is being replaced by the Apex account
or whatever it's called
Ah, ok. well, maybe it's expanding apex to what hunt club was supposed to be?
I thouoght APEX connect was supposed to allow them to roll out bug fixes without a 3 hour download, but I guess it doesnt work
Yes i think Apex Connect is involved in whatever the new feature is
I do miss hunt club. It was fun hunting in different ways or on maps you haven't been to in a while.
Certain bug fixes, yes. Full-blown updates, no.
They are very likely to add comptitions and seasonal events through Apex connect. Be surprised if they didn't
Possible "long-requested features" I can think of are: nontypical racks, load outs (my prediction), trophy poses, reworked inventory system, Hunt Club coming out of beta. Other things (feeders, trail cams, animals added to older maps, horses, boats, etc.) are all really new content rather than a feature
Seasons
I forgot about atypical racks... that would be very cool
is it? I thought they’ve been working on getting it running again though?
I’ve seen there has been a few test challenges too
Thats definitely Canada
Now that I see that image of Taiga, this theory begins a more realistic verse xD
I'd be inclined to disagree because i think it would only be in the first 2 maps and Hirsch always gets put on the bottom of cc lists of maps from bad to good purely because its the mist xhallenging map. Now you add seasons to Hirsch n it will bring people in.
Don't die
What if you don't want to play when it's winter.
I love Hirschfelden, but the reason most people don't like it is because it is dense and hard to see animals
The new feature could be animal size with levels 👀
The difficulty I find with choosing Hirschfelden is there isn’t enough unique species left there now. Geese which you have to specifically setup and go for, or euro bison
I would love to see some more unique species added, but no clues seem to point to that!
After all these years, it's still the only map where you have to hunt 🙂
That would be amazing, particularly if it meant massive moose GO
This would be incredible
Sure yup a few here dont like the snow. But another way to look at it. Of people cant afford the dlcs then having tour 2 maps changing each week would keep them fresh and exciting. Thats what they do in forza horizon and that attracts 10 million plus players ever week. So cant be a bad thing.
Id love to see a GO moose with a bunch of seaweed or something in the antlers just falling off, would he cool
Be*
Or the velvet shedding
Yeah
I doubt that. You can play DLC maps for free in multiplayer. Seasons would not make the 2 base maps somehow more valuable. I doubt EW would waste the time and effort for that when it is just as "easy" (or easier) to make a paid DLC instead
True but some of the rarest diamonds are there. Most people find it too challenging because one cant just fast travel between drinking zones. Knowing the feed zones is the secret to being successful on Hirsch.
not necessarily feed zones, just animals in general
That is true, the euro bisons are very hard to come across because of it
Diamonds I mean
I think European Bison is one of those species that gives the illusion that they’re rare diamonds, but I think it’s just because not many people hunt them
Yeah Hirsch trophies feel a little more of a trophy. Seeing a big albino red stag grazing the cornfields there is one of my most wanted CoTW moments
Euro bison don't respawn as diamonds I'm ngl😂
Ur better off multi hopping them
When the seasons change in Forza it looks so effortless and easy. I don't think its as complex as making new dlc, its litterary just change the weather frequency the lighting the meshes and remove the antlers in winter, job done.
I got two rare euros, I have yet to find a diamond and I grind a ton on hersh for euros and geese
I think for most species you have to kill about 250 upper level animals (Level 4 in the case of bison) before a Diamond will spawn. Most people don't have that patience with the bison
Exactly. Id say a diamond on Hirsch is worth 10 anywhere else. If you get one on Hirsch u dam well earned it. More rewarding imo
Except for geese 😉
Lol dam really i only have a diamond goose
Really? In my opinion, they're by far the easiest animal to hunt and get diamonds/rares on. I have more diamond geese than any other one species
But that may change with the waterfowl update!
Im joking yeah agreed all birds were super easy except pheasant n quail but that will soon change
Quail are the hardest diamond rn imo
I think the Diamond geese being so common is that the goose population completely respawns every time you play. Jaxy said that will change once they start using need zones
I'd agree 100%
Ah rip I enjoy doing work while letting geese come in
their population is persistent like other animals
I noticed that there are Moose tracks in the Community Update image... Coincident?
Doubt it I think yall are reading into it to much
Most of us think a Moose GO is on the way.
we don't know
The consensus thinks so
I think it's a coincidence. GO's seem to be coming 1-per-year, and it'd be too soon
Next Tuesady is not about the new map or GO its about a new feature.
Actually it prob is a moose GO seeing as the next map is canada maybe and the community update says it's a suprise
The red deer took a long time bc of WT being broken tbf
👀
It's possible they saw how much excitement/community involvement came out of another GO with the Red Deer that they're opting to do them more frequently. Hard to say with only two points
So like am I hot or cold
It was about a year and a half between the WT and Red Deer GO's. They could definitely be trying to ramp things up, and would be smart to. It's not anywhere near the amount of work to add a new GO as it would be to make an entire new map, and new maps are added twice per year.
Don't you tease us
Took forever to get caught up on chat this morn lol
Imo id say Sweden, GO Moose and changing seasons on the first 2 maps.
Me too brother lol. Still working on it
I won't... just a fly on the wall 😇
Morning brother Jaxy
G'morn!!
It's definitely a pic of Medved, but those Moose tracks are spicy 👀
rock?..
Is it Medved though?? 😇
Chimney rock Canada a possiblity but expect there are other rock formations like that
It's the only thing that really sticks out AND they know we're on the edge of our seats looking for new clues... if it isn't one, it's very rude 😄
It could be I guess...
You said no teasing, sir
I think so - you know i went searching for the spot.
I'm in Medved right now and it looks identical 😳
Its Vurhonga
Yea but the terrain matchs really well
Its secret brazilian map
Apocalyptic Winter season? 🤣
I blame you when I spend my evening looking at Medved trees and shrubs in detail instead of getting rares
True. If its not Sweden then its gotta be Canada for sure
ahhh dang it.. im getting called away. im going to get burried again! everyone pause lol
We shan't
Jaxy just "accidently" tell us
Cant you just delete this channel?
Sure it will stop the fun but you aint getting burried
Some say Sweden coz EW is based there but the product owner is French and there is no French map. So may not be Sweden
French Canadian hmmm maybe Canada it is then.
Honestly, I'm saying Sweden because that's what I'm hoping it is
So I suppose the map has mallards and moose so far maybe
Other than what they call the animals is there a vast difference between Canada and Sweeden? Lots of pine trees and Snow think Father Christmas may live in one but not the other. I'm a bit ignorarnt.
I just hope its a hilly map with lots of fowl
There are a lot of similarities, to be honest.
EW is a Swedish company based in Sweden, and with branch offices in US and UK. Assume the product is owned by EW et al as well.
They're both very big countries though
you know another map with pheasants would be cool canada with a couple plains ares could work
Looks like a few pixels to me! lol, I can't really tell
Yup Expansive Worlds is a creative branch. The actuall product thehuntercotw is owned by a french guy called Sascha
If the medved image is a clue than it's just the track that we were supposed to see nothing else imo
What if it is Sweden and it has a snowing effect like on Yukon and when it snows it kinda looks like medved!!!
No plz don't hurt my brain
Must be difficult to try and get those snowy countries looking different but they did a fantastic job with Yukon. Looks vedy different to MedVed
But when it stops snowing it looks like Layton
I really like irl hunting after a snow .... makes the deer really standout against the terrain
go moose incoming 
Footprints and tracks in the snow make things more immersive
I was pretty sure in the last stream he said that we would see an teaser of this "New Feature" in between then and this coming Tuesday. Am I wrong? I was expecting to see it this morning.
Jaxy also said "or maybe ON Tuesday"
All I know is Moose having a Great One in cotw is an inevitable thing
Hey,I just thought of something. What if its seasons/weather for other maps like on Yukon?
Where can i find the reference to the "French connection".
What i want to know is what did Meggles mean by "we’ll be showing off a long community-requested feature" What feature has been requested for a long time?
Meggles said "we’ll be showing off a long community-requested feature" in todays CU
I saw the guy in a stream a few times. I don't think hes a public figure, doubt there is much information on him
labs have been asked for too could be non-typs labs anything really
Says in next Tuesday’s stream they will show it, possibly changing seasons/weather
maybe
Whats the analysis of this?
Moses tracks bottom right corner
ah yese moses tracks
Next Tuesday is all about a New never seen before feature. Not a map not a Go but something not seen before. I think Apex connect is involved. I think it will be rolling seasons but it migh be competitions or events or horse riding or otjer outdoor activiries .
prob just a moose with snow on its antlers
unofficially
Where even
Nothing has been confirmed ^^
I mean its obvious
Great being capitalized and moose track.
could be a mistake they mightve been there during the photo on accident
So have we agreed that its canada?
no a lot of people say sweden i want canada but thats just me i guess
Im thinking that because of the leaf cloud "clue" on the first pic
Confirmed clue?
perhaps maybe no one knows yet
Don't u want Sweden guys? With snowing like on Yukon?
i would rather canada
I really want sweden
A photo of Sweden and a photo of Canada. How could we tell the difference?
the species that live there
If they did canada then why not like in the more artic area? Like classics
I'd want Canada if it's Appalachian mountains (would've been SRP lvl cool map) but there aren't any mountains on clue photos
like sweden could have reindeer canada could have caribou
true
another map with reindeer would be nice
But based on the vegatation i think sweden would have more species
oh and ptarmigan
Exact same creature thpugh just a different name
No, diferente subspecie
well yea but same as srp and parque
well in game different but irl pretty much the same
What
Sure yup like all the different names for the pigs ect
New map with pine trees and snow thats for sure
Pine trees and ducks are only confirmed
Although puma concolor is the same as mountain lion
We can get a second map for Brown Bears if it is Sweden!
And they can get a remodel yaaay
Like black bears did
Yup mountain lion, puma, cougan, panther. All the same animal.
Oh yeah both Caribou and Reindeer are Rafinger Tarandus
So exactly the same animal just regional names
Someone should go back an analyze past CU photos and see if any medved ones are the same, and they aren’t just reusing a photo
Pig, hog, feral hog, wild pig, bacon sandwich all the same thing.
I do hope one day they rename the moose in the reserves, like how they did the Puma. Alaskan Moose for Yukon, Northwestern Moose for Layton, and Eurasian Moose for Medved
Diferente subspecie, a subspecie is not the same animal
Currently at the vet with my snake, so I can’t technically not listen to what the techs and vet are saying
Yup some say tomatoes some say tomatoes. (Oh that didnt work)
Tuesday is gonna be a good day
Subspecies are subs of the exact same animal species.
Swine for instance covers any boar hog pig or any varient of it.
Bovine is anything that goes moo
Feline is anything that goes meow
Canine is anyrhing that goes woof
lol
a subspecies is a different animal, it's that simple
Wiki evidence to back that up or just an opinion?
What a huge understatement. Common names of animals holds no real weight when talking about taxonomical literature. Subspecies are an important aspect of describing animals within the same species. They shouldn't be considered "the same" imho. I tried arguing this in the past but it fell on deaf ears lol.
man...congrats to those who guessed GO moose. im a bit in awe. definitely seems like thats whats coming. im honestly a bit surprised. didnt make a ton of sense to me that they would focus this much on waterfowl then put out a GO that wasnt waterfowl and make you grind that instead - but i guess this clues season is full of surprises.
Yup subspecies is different genetically just like we both said right! My bad
ptarmigan would just be a Swedish pheasant
Ok, thanks --- not possible to validate and confirm!
btw...i just searched for a few hours on medved...couldnt find this exact location but can definitely confirm those tree models are on medved. the crooked one in the center can be found all over medved.
ok, so what do we get from the images? are they for the new map or are they for the new "content"?
i really want to find that exact spot, though. last year they did a lot of "hey the photo faces the new map". cant really tell if this is east or west. if east...could be pointing to canada...if west...sweden.
that's a good call. I didn't think of that
where is the moose track?
Didnt JB say there are no in game clues?
It's not an in-game clue. It's a picture of Medved
It's a picture clue
If you can find the place on Medved then it would be an in game clue
Or do you mean what Bush said about the way it is facing.. Hmm yeah. Borderline in game clue there for sure
There's so many different things in the works atm espeically with the clues being as vague as they are. These clues could literally turn into anything at this point and I won't even be surprised.
i have a feeling its somewhere in this area...closest i could find to the pic, but couldnt line the trees up exactly.
I'm a little shocked too tbh. I started with my Moose theory basing it on the picture with the boat and dock lol. But then again I've been predicting Moose would be the next GO for many months. Who knows though, still very early in the process here and they've been known to misdirect in the past 😛
I think Moose GO was already wanted even back when GO Whitetail got released
What is going on
when the first survey went out i think most people thought GO moose would be next
yea it seems like youve had it nailed pretty early. i initially thought saskatchewan only for the waterfowl aspect, but once i put 2 and 2 together and heard what was said on stream...the 5 yr anniversary makes it almost a given itll be sweden so im on board with that. it was a long shot to predict GO mallards. kind of tough without racks, but i was struggling with the idea that they would put a GO in along with the reword to divert your attention from the rework and new map. especially after the mallard screenshots basically tying the rework and map together. i started to gather this was a celebratory map and the map wouldnt be the centerpiece but rather just the canvas that all of this was built on. its cool to see the content drop is happening (def dont think the map is free anymore lol) but surprised at the GO choice with this particular update. I think GO moose need to be in the game so its still exciting.
if the new map doesnt have lynx, i will riot
As much as I want to get a diamond Lynx, I think Brown Bears for Sweden would be better choice ... honestly tho, I wish they add both of them, but I doubt it cause Medved will lose its uniqness.
If it is Sweden it is probally likely to have Moose, Brown Bear and Lynx. Maybe 4 new species but no more than that.
oh i see
i am curious what the waterfowl will be on the map. i am still thinking there will be a new one, but cant really think of what it would be. unless they consider black grouse waterfowl.
i dont think they are normally thought of as waterfowl, though, right?
What would be the long requested feature? I know we ask for a lot but do they consider maps and animals species features?
we know as much as you do
mmh all the Moose records in NA...
https://www.outdoorlife.com/photos/gallery/hunting/big-game/moose/2012/02/top-40-biggest-moose-ever-taken/
I think trophy shots is one
I had an idea but im new XD so I have no idea
here have this kitty
Yeah I would just figure that animals and maps would be in game content and features would be like loadouts or something
I was thinking as a lot of it was very large landscape shots and overviews could it be telling us that there'll be a new world changing feature? maybe like more dynamic weather or maybe some sort of seasons? could mean a change to animal behavior patterns so they aren't tied down to specific times, making the gaem a bit more realistic?
just my first thought after seeing a few of the clues 🥴
Oooof
need to get some rare lynx when updated i will be on em 
as you might be able to guess, this one became my pfp
is posible, not only the watchtower, but also all the trees also match those of SRP, even the distribution of the trees in the center of the map is similar to the images
#🦡︴cotw-scotland message
why do it later when you can do it now?
whatever you do dont say pspsps thay will find you if you say it
i live with 2 kittens pspsps is a death wish for me now
lmaooooooo
the key is to do it super quiet 🙀
no cuze cats can here sounds as quiet as a rabbit
my dad used to make a noise which scared every animal he came across Geeeeerrrrpppp
dont know why that works it does though lol
I was also thinking that times for a moose in the morning are putting them closer to water and if the map posted earlier was accurate to a location of the picture then that means there's only a few areas they could be in. and the ducks flying overhead in what looks like the later part of the day when Mallards are usually resting could mean that something could be changing the zone times?
if you ever wanna make a pet person mad just say its not cute
So is is Sweden
We won’t know for certain until it’s announced
speculation says yes, EW says "we can neither confirm nor deny"
well we do know we seeing something tuesday
Oh ok
I still believe it will be a map in Canada (Manitoba/BC) :S
What does Sweden have that isn’t In game already
JB lives in BC, could be a going away present so he can visit when he wants ...
he also wanted a great one moose 😁
Someone said JaxyBeard capitalised “ON Tuesday… is a stretch but if there is a Canadian map… Ontario?
British Columbia or Manito i think
Historically though, early May is very early for a new map teaser or confirmation of where
or maybe Alberta
It was the capitalised “ON”… isn’t that the state abbreviation for Ontario? As I said, a stretch 😅
Hoping for another upland game bird on this new map as well as fowl
As someone from Ontario, I can see some resemblance due to the relatively flatness of the images we've seen. Ontario is also known as The Land of a Thousand Lakes, perfect hint for the waterfowl rework.
Stop feeding my fantasies!
Spruce o Ruffed Grouse would be good options in Canada BC
New feature very soon, then great one moose and new Canadian map end of June with upland game birds and moose… would be pretty nice
@wind ridge would love to see those Grouse
So if it is Canada I don't think it'll be out west or the prairie Provinces. Not enough showcases of the towering mountains that BC and west Alberta are known for and east Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan are mostly prairies (or at least known for anyways). Quebec or Ontario make good candidates judging from the image showcases.
Canada would be boring tho, too many NA maps
Mhm
CaPeRcAlLiE
capercaillie could be added to medved or hirschfelden tbh
Like Northern sweden
Or Canada
Those aren't big mountains lol. Nothing like the ones out in BC or west Alberta anyways.
also isn't the western part of hirschfelden a pine forest
the area where the bison are
My point- there is always a gradual sway from boreal planes towards mountains
It is
There is
I mean
Also top right corner
I personally feel like eu has been in the shade for too long
Indeed
idk you but I'm not a huge fan of having a new whole reserve just to have one animal that can be in already existing reserves
Maybe in December we'll finally get africa 2.0
Because that’s when UH will release
That’s my theory
UH?
Yeah but I won't be able to afford Uh sadly
And you can cotw?
I'm afraid to ask what that is
Just another hunting game
Dad owes me $6 💃
is it a sequel to cotw?
There is already like 5 NA map.. we dont need a 6th do we?
No
or unrelated
Different developer
We have 2 eu
It’s not out yet
I see
It looks promising
gonna check
And Way of the Hunter as well
Also will probably release in December but nothing is confirmed there
looks cool
Yeah
the boars defo look better than the cotw ones
Until I see actual gameplay and a release date for WotH and UH my opinions are remaining neutral
It’s not a WOTH vs COTW vs UH
whether sweden or canada both have a long list of waterfowl .... so I can see different duck varieties added ...
People will play whatever is good and the other games will adapt or die
I never said that
Also gameplay for UH wasn’t great, at least the gun animation that they showed
But they said it “wasn’t final”
I hope the final releases are better for both games
If they do africa 2.0 in Dec 2022 then I expect there to be a lion rework. Those manes just look sad
Yeah, I'm fine with either Canada or Sweden or any location honestly. So long as there's cool and unique vistas with new species to add to the lodge. Geological location doesn't really concern me otherwise.
Their manes are terrible but they know that. I am sure they will be fixed
ngl I've seen both trailers and in terms of animal models there isn't too much difference
I guess it's hard to get animals right
the woth animals are like hypermuscular for some reason
maybe a lion rework and GO lion for Dec 2022 .... Confirmed??? 👀
dang Goat on roids ....
and the deer aren't any better
The trailer just had one good thing, it was the quote - "No two hunts, are ever the same."
UH having babies reminds me of HU
Cabela's Dangerous Hunts 2013 was a fun game
hunting games having markhor challenge (impossible)
Is there any more confirmed clues
No
atleast we dont have deer stung by bee like in cotw
-whitetail 2022
but well
also
any new clues?
No
I'm really hoping it's Sweden over Canada
Why does everyone ask
I dont think the animals in cotw look that bad
canada would mean possible dalls
and sitka
Oooo yea I didn't think about dall sheep
I was intrigued by a possible new species of wolf in Sweden
same
imagine having not beestung deer in cotw ( whitetail )
Who knows if we'd even get the birds outside of the ducks
it's a bit odd how cuatro colinas doesn't have partridges imo, partridge hunting is along pigeon hunting the most extended type of hunting in Spain
I'm hoping we get retrievers soon
didnt u learn that most maps in cotw are not complete ecosystems?
and...?
cause we get giant maps and not alot of animals
.
...
didnt u still figure out they dont give alot
like
they do but not in terms of like, small game
the only small game animal in the reserve is the hare, meanwhile other reserves have like 3 small game animals
I thought small game were class 1 animals only
nah
No, usually class 1-2
isn't roe deer 3
So foxes, hares, birds.
small game is mostly well, smaller animals but theres a few others
not always class 1-2
anyway what's the deal against partridges
Me too
they would be a good addition
I think there's a chance something like that is added. Given our first ground bird added was pheasants and now we just got quail on Mississippi
They are doing decent at adding things now
yeah I have hopes considering mississipi has quails
They need to rework quail. Should be able to hunt them with a shotgun not a 22
Now y'all got me thinking about dalls
Um, what do you mean by that. I hunt them with shotguns
I use both
I guess he means you cant hunt them with 100% integrity
because shotguns destroy the animal?
I guess that what he means
for me they always flush to far out to hit with a shotty ...
Zero
I just use the docent lol
the only wolf in sweden is grey wolf
There are very few of them though
in my part of sweden its about 1500 but in hole sweden its more
According to Google it's less than 400
european wolves and north american wolves (both subspecies of gray wolf) are actually a bit different. euro wolves are bigger
I just want vervet monkeys or baboons tbh so this map is not having me hyped
The ones in Alaska and such are the same size as the ones in Europe
But please don’t start a conversation about wolves and subspecies, it always ends in a disaster
That's the thing I want the least
Lol
Considering Alaska is in North America, I would assume those Gray Wolves would be classified as North American Wolves. Not starting a conversation, just responding to what was said above. I believe it is you who made it a conversation 🙂
I didn’t mean conversation I mean argument
2 people talking about wolves is one thing
No one was arguing lol
But it goes down hill quick
Until now 🙂
🙂
🫠
Hi bestie
Hi bestie
so the news this week was there is no news please come back on tuesday .... urg
Well it's a pic of mev ved, could be a hint to seasons, but idk
it's a map with changing textures like yukon where it can snow ot is it confirmed medved?
think we'll getting observer mode?
Observer mode?
The reason one hopes the new feature will be 'Rolling Seasons' is because Hunting, likewise farming, fishing and all life species in the temperate climate are dependent on Seasons. Implementing seasons will give us a more immersive real life self awareness of our role in the cycle of nature, seasons and the the profound cycle of life. It would facillitate an intrinsic level of depth to our beautiful game.
No
No one knows
Snowing on medved is cool and all I just wish it actually affected your hunting or aniaml behavior
i bet its trophies for dlc , plls compained they were missing , .... i kid
money still on horses
Imagine being able to pee in the snow.
Why useless? In some reserves perhaps, but why?
dont see the point
i just brain shot a 8 mountin lion 😦
coasting down the rivers in Mississippi for gator hunting would be pretty cool
I'd like boats. Try and drift along the shore, and shoot something on land.... or in, or on the water.
and we can get waited hooks to get gators that sank under the water and died
but if it's anything like jumping on an atv and it clears everything around you, thennn yeah i can see the drawback
or allagator snare traps
or air boat
true true! my first thought went to motored
seasons , horses or loadouts i think or baby animals
thay could do air boat it would get you around and be loud like the atv and you could go get ducks after shoting them
air boat would be a dream especially on missi
Ye
Any new thoughts on what the new map is going to be?
The general consensus Is either Canada or Sweden but we ain't sure and we can't be sure until it gets announced. Pure speculation for the moment
If the update isn’t this I don’t want it
Tuesday is gonna be a good day
only small changes but the same locations..
Canada
#🦡︴cotw-scotland message
Sweden
#🦡︴cotw-scotland message
Seasons / Duck Season
#🦡︴cotw-scotland message
They clearly said they are adding a feature- a FEATURE
It will NOT be a map on teusday
That or their English sucks
It is also possible that the images are clues to the new features / content and not about the June map
that's right, they still won't show the new map (if there will be one)
I think that’s what it is
Yeah 4 pics could be the new map
They were probably indirectly teasing the map
then the "feature" they will show on Tuesday can be:
-Seasons
-Photo mode
-GO Moose
or just the waterforw rework
did i forget something?
Seasons possibly but that’s a big update if so
I don't think it's seasons, because of the hibernation of a few animals
The new feature could be a new animal species to medved, that is a highly requested feature.
Something that has also been requested for a long time is the rework of the Reindeer's antlers, could those tracks be Reindeer?
that's the idea, remove some animals and place others during a season
in my humble opinion, my most anticipated feature would be crossing over lakes with a boot and I think sweden would fit for this feature
yes, that would be great but I don't think they will do that. because it's too much work for a little niche studio.
or not say too much work, rather not worth the costs for a free update
Considering the word “Great” had a capital G in it would lead me to think they want us as a community to know a knew great one is being added
The fact they were surprised in how many people wanted an elk great one would further lead me to assume it’s not gonna be an elk
I’d imagine it’s gonna be a moose which would be fitting to map ideas that have already been suggested
True, it could totally be a GO Moose, but that’s not really a feature
do bugs count? :D goat simulator used that as a feature hahahaah :D
The feature being shared on Tuesday could be anything
In my head a feature is something you can utilize
But that also may be just me thinking that way
C’mon Tuesday
Whatever feature it is ... it is long time requested by us ... I wonder which one it is gonna be
hello
raise of the levelcap with 2-3 skillpoints to gain would also be nice, or at least events to gain a few extra
anything new or just speculation
something else everyone wants is piebald randomizer
yea
ik i want it haveing to piebald that are almost copys other them the antlers is weird
also non typ racks
I rarely see piebalds, so this wouldn't be a #1 pick for me :D the possibility to change ammo type without going into the equipment menu would also be great
I mean they could argue that the nontyps are the GOs
i have two piebald whitetails a multi mount and it looks so weird cuze thay are the exact same and all my piebald mallerds are the same it just looks weierd
true but how cool would a nontyp elk or red deer would be
aren't those elk tracks 
do elks live on medved
depends on where medved is located
but considering it's based on siberia then yeah, there could be elks
yes elk live in siberia tho thay dont live in the medved resever so its a moose
I mean maybe they are adding them as a new animal idk
I think it’s a Canadian map because of the snowyness of it but I also think that it could be just seasons because of the fall look in the other cu images and then in this one it’s snowy so maybe a winter season Dk though so we’ll see
i doubt it, considering they never touch medved
Of the cu today sorry made it a little vague in the first sentence
I fainted reading this
Why
no punctuation 🗿
they didn't say it had to be one or the other exclusively
they can neither confirm nor deny it
Not sure if they could make that work, but I would absolutely appreciate having multiple piebald variations. As an example, instead of a 1% (im making this number up for the sake of explanation) chance of getting that one piebald, there could be five different piebald variations that each have a 0.2% chance of spawning, or perhaps ten piebald variants each with a 0.1% chance of spawning (both totaling up to 1%)
The clues may be about new dlc in June such as map n maybe a great one or the clues may also be about the new feature which will be revealed on Tuesday or maybe not. But the answers lay here somewhere in the comments. Some people have been spot on but who?
@wheat mist I was talking about the map coming in June possibly not the feature inside look for Tuesday
@tawdry wing lol
The feature could just be the rework the community has want to be able to call in ducks like we do geese for a long time
Thing is we all know about the duck rework so that can't be a secret being revealed on Tuesday. Its something completely new that has been requested for a long time. Might be loadouts might be horse riding might be seasons could be many things.
They can probably just compute probabilities for the piebald variant without affecting piebald rate, i.e. once piebald spawns, 1 of 5 variants is selected with 20% chance each.
It depends on how the fur types are coded into the game right now tho
true
I think my idea is the easier of the two to integrate into the existing game
Tho we both have the same concept, just different implementations
you could probably agree it's irrelevant for us to bother on that distinction right?
more 🥧 🧑🦲
I think they are showing medved because the first great one was on Layton, next was hirshfelden, and now will be the next map in order. The moose tracks show it will be a moose great one. They have only made base game great ones so far so it would make sense to be moose.
they should just make every new animal they add a great one it's not that hard to design what they would look like
1 great one per year so far so its going to take 40 years at this rate
The time between WT and RD was just because it was their first time releasing something like that
And WT had quite a few bugs they needed to squash
This time around shouldn’t take as long
i hope we get at least 2 great ones this year
I have a good feeling we will
Anyone have thoughts on todays community update photo? Connected to the big update? Part of the Tuesday feature? Just a photo?
I did notice the moose tracks. Maybe a clue?
II’d have to guess it confirms GO moose.
Also curious if it follows last years clues and points toward the new map. It’s facing the sun. Now to figure out if it’s east or west.
~~ I hope we get none ~~
But thats largely just me not finding great ones to be anything worth working towards
They didn’t get whitetail working until months after release
Like 2 or 3 variations didn’t even spawn
SOMETIMES they can look good, but lets face it, most of us arent going to see one without putting in some real effort that could be put into finding a diamond of a more desireable species
And tbh I just wish they’d show us all the racks and how they work
And they clearly made red deer easier to get the WT release
The red deer is also not nearly as popular
Primarily because it's rack is 1, smaller than the diamonds, and 2, really just a lvl 7-8 looking set with leaves and vines draped around it
Maybe if they didn’t make the normal red deer look so stupid the GO could actually be big
Because the level 9 red deer racks is the equivalent of giving level 3 whitetail GO racks
I agree with the size thing. Would have been better if Red Deer GO was a diamond rack with the vines etc
So they got stuck in a corner of “do we make these racks even bigger?” And came up with e something else, which was still kinda cool
True as well
While there ARE monster racks around in places like NZ and whatnot the diamond racks are so damn LONG
The ones in NZ are high fence, I.e corn fed with GMOs and stuck inside a high fence (duh)
If you look up what red deer naturally get to it’s like a level 6-7
Elk is the original name for moose used by Europeans before European settlers landed in North America and adopted the American Indian name for the Same Animal.
100%, yes.
Still, they exist inside the reserves
Even then I dunno how well those match with the current diamond size
And some people call them elk in Sweden and such 👍
Also not really the right channel for that but yes lol
ANYWAY
I myself hope for a map with new trophy animals above all else
We’re not gonna see a map
Meggles specifically said a feature
feature
Yeah wel probably get a map in June, but this is NOT it
Alligators, peccaries and whatnot were neat additions but also overall boring compared to what a new horned/antlered animal could bring
And they also said they’re revealing it- so we could assume it’s not the waterfowl update
Agreed. New animals to hunt is my #1 hope. Not gonna happen on Tuesday but maybe later on
Unless the feature is introduced with a new map :v
We wont know until the actual reveal I suppose
That or they’re really mean with PR and the “new feature” is the waterfowl update
Lol yeah
Dunno what they shared today, if they did share anything, or if it was just a "tune in next time for more clues" stream
Omg I would actually laugh if they did that
Also she said “in development sneak peak”
With the hype building they've been doing for that it wouldnt surprise me
Which... will be great for some I suppose lol
This means it will probably release in the update with a map in June
And before then we will have the confirmed waterfowl rework
But Im REALLY burned out on COTW and I dunno how and if waterfowl may change that
I don’t even have the game 💀
I deleted it
But I’ll redoenload for the waterfowl update
I pop in every now and then
I have like 10 setups on Layton lmao
im playing heavily
However the lack of new content is making it a bit of a snoozefest atm
Fr
Whatever I do have been done before and all that lol
And deleting all my shit sucked too
I lost a bunch of tents and crap
Just random BS
SOMETIMES it's nice, walking to the same old spot and finding a new trophy
But I dunno
And a few of my maps got wiped
But it just doesn’t happen
You have to constantly play to find new stuff
Like...
By killing it
They havent added an actual new trophy type animal since NZ?
Alligators and peccaries are cool filler as I've said but unless you get a rare "fur" variant it's the same as everybody elses
And I aint counting GO's as "new content" because, again, they are rarely spawning animals that require a stupid amount of effort to spawn
This is why I personally hope the next addition is either a new map with actual new trophy animals, or there's one soon after
if there was a great one for every animal you wouldn't have to look for them on purpose you could just find them on accident sometimes
Or a matter of luck like I had where I just walked up onto one on Mississippi
knowing the fact they hinted on it being a long requested thing plus there being a survey like 2 months ago where they were asking what kinda new equipment would be cool like fishing/boats or bikes plus the waterfowl update I suspect it’s probably gonna be kayaks or boats
boats 🛥️
How would that even work? You hunt from the boat? Because if they are only for transport one side to other… pass.
From SRP the Kayak signs are placed and they never arrived xD
I think the people that wanna hunt from boats don’t actually hunt in real life
Cause I look at it and think “this is the stupidest thing ever”
If they were to do hunt-able boats id expect it to be a P2P system like the boats in mississippi but to a point in the middle of the lake. first instinct was boats for the new feature for me as well...but i dont know...i dont think so. honestly with the addition of a 3rd GO - id probably have to guess trophy selfie photos. but big contenders in my mind are also level above 60 (although i think they would be missing out on a monetization opportunity here. it would probably be more profitable to release it as some sort of expansion) and dogs claiming waterfowl (although this is a bit far fetched and less requested by the community).
a lot of other people are hoping for loadouts...which is a total possibility as well. especially if the prediction is correct on the new map being a combination major big/medium and small game. So I guess add that to the list as well.
but i really think...especially with Moose seemingly being the next great one, the trophy photo system is probably the front running n my mind.
take what i say with a grain of salt, though. ive seemingly been wrong with every guess this clues season lol.
A lot of us have
If we got a Sweden map and if y’all could choose what animals we got what 6 animals would y’all choose for a Sweden map?
I use 2 of my aniamls to switch the map to Canada, then have stone sheep, caribou, moose, and grizzly bear
Did I win?
India should be the next map. There’s so much there. Including Leopard’s, Deer, Birds. Even Tigers and Bears.
what trophy photo system, do you mean trophy shots?
you know...i dunno how much id actually hunt this since i really only hunt antlers in cotw...but i think it would be extremely interesting to do a birds and prey map. lots of multiple waterfowl, capercaillie, black grouse, and things like lynx, wolves, multiple bears, etc. obviously moose with the GO.
if thats what they call it? the system they have in classic where you can take a selfie with your trophy.
yes
i havent played classic, so im not sure the name.
I really want it too
Trophy shots
I just hope you don't have to buy the poses like in classic lol
Cause it’s a shot [photo] of your trophy
Classic is F2P, so they need the money
I understand
But cotw is not F2P, but they still love their DLCs since they don’t have micro transactions
my thoughts exactly
So you probably will
yea, who knows about the poses...i dont think they are going to do microtransactions in cotw...at least nothing has pointed to it yet. i just think...if they are upping the pace of GO additions people are really going to get frustrated without that trophy shots system the longer its not in the game.
Or at least to some degree
makes sense to add it now in some way.
“Trophy shot DLC” Jesus just add SOME base game stuff
trophy shots would give character customization a purpose
Which is so mundane anyways tho
I would like a lady character model that doesn’t resemble a man
lol
other stuff like lvl above 60...loadouts...dogs claiming fowl...all that is really desired, but is stuff they can do later.
id expect lvl above 60 to be an expansion...and dogs claiming waterfowl when the next dog is released.
sure
but all of it is on the table...this content drop is full of surprises. i didnt think there was any way the GO was going to be moose...it didnt line up in my head that youd have this huge focus on waterfowl then make people go grind moose...but as it appears thats what they are doing.
I also want a retriever dog
I do hope to one day recreate my retriever from Classic in COTW 🙏🏼
THIS!!!!
I think we have pretty much settled on moose being the next GO… whether that has anything to do with the next map or if there is even a map coming… idk
Maybe there is something I’m not getting… but I hate the idea of trophy shots as the big feature. Won’t add much to actual game play.
Idk, trophy shots are a pretty iconic part of hunting, and it could be potencially awesome if competitions are ever a thing.
The bulk ammo thing tho? That'd be boring
I didn’t consider using trophy shots as a competition. That’s an interesting idea.
my only question about trophy shots is...does it let you...like position the trophy? my only frustration with the current photo system is if your kill falls in a crappy position - there is no getting a good photo of it.
I want to be able to shoot my dog.
Jokes on you. Your dogs pulls out an AK and ruins your day
my dog once joined a pack of wolves and helped them kill me.
Sounds like you deserved it
probably, i have kicked him off a few cliffs, and once made him lay down in water where he submerged.
Dogs are a great judge of character
you actually can but I wont tell you how
Shotgun and a long distance
Idk what these clues are leading too, but i think a game mode where you can hunt other hunters like a "The Most Dangerous Game" type game mode would be alot of fun
I’ve got my three possibilities on what we are getting along side the new map on what this new feature is teased earlier today, 1 New Animal Species for Medved Taiga, 2 Custom Trophy Shots and Poses to Make Our Cameras Useful, and take cool pics with our trophies we shoot, 3 Non-Typical Antlers for all Members of the Deer Family.
"technically" long requested
Hopefully the teaser is true body size
new screenshot for the community update. any clues?
Which one
It's different every time
is it the clue or not?
medved
yeah, i am confused. so we see pics of reserves we already have and ducks - tuesday comes the next clue, right?
Tuesday is the teaser sneak peek
The first 4 pics are of a unknown reserve then the last 2 has been SRP and medved
And a long community requested feature whatever that means
Tuesday
Hopefully it’s reversing the quality of life track update added a while ago. Where you have to stare at the ground to pick up tracks
It’s realistic but very annoying gameplay wise
Hell I don't even notice it anymore lol run and track be a breeze
Could it be custom load outs 🤞
Yeah like load out presets would be nice
We live and hope
Sounds spanish
Or filter for need zones
Eh personally I don’t really need that one
But they said something Great
Yeah a great one most likely
hoping for moose
Or seasons
It will probably be moose yeah
I’m 95% sure on thag
They were shocked at how many people voted for elk great one in the yt polls. Which is almost a giveaway it’s not elk
Moose has been requested the most in yet streams since whitetail great ones were added
medved pic, medved has moose
also if its a sweden map then moose are an option aswell
that'd bring us 4 maps with go
layton, sweden, med, yukon
all with a moose go
I just hope it’s not a rather lazy concept like great one red deer
well I'm swedish so I really hope for a swedish map with a GO moose
Yeah but nobody cares about fur on antlered species lol
like, im sorry if i have to say this but alot of species in cotw are oversized in terms of racks/horns just to be diamond
like bighorn
they dont have as big curves
Bighorn golds should be diamonds
same for red deer
Diamonds should be the great one for them
reds dont have antlers the size of their body
a level 7 with the cool rack would be a world record
It’s a European company I expect all euro species to be dramatically overdone
And NA species to struggle without help from people who know what they look like
It's a game come on
I just wanna know how it took over a year to add vines to a red deer rack lmao
It didn’t take a year just for that
that's probably not what they worked at for so long
Obviously. Bugs, new content…etc all have to be worked on, but they’re different departments at EW. So somebody was responsible for such a thing for an excessive amount of time
Not if their attention and resources were needed elsewhere
Mmm ok
It was their first GO release so there’s going to be a time difference between the initial, second, and third
whitetail was first
That was worded weird for sure
And no one wanted a massive looking GO Red Deer so they decided to go with foliage in the antlers rather than make a lot of people pissed
But as it stands, this company can rarely ever do anything without making someone upset
I think the GO red deer looks bussin
I do too. My only complaint about them is that I wish the foliage was different depending on the reserve you got it on
I don’t wanna say I could have come up with better ideas, but seriously that was a pretty basic idea
could be cool yea
but who tf would have wanted to hunt it on hirsch
@hidden quest
ah yes
They’re almost wiped on hirsch
the ghost of Hirschfelden
After the past few updates making hirsch practically unplayable in a lot of the western side of the map
Red Deer are literally going extinct on hirsch lol. Haven’t seen one in ages
But somehow it still has “the same pop size” I disagree with a map like TA or STP 😂
SRP
Maybe that’s a me problem
Hirsch needs a pop boost of about 2-3x what it is
it absolutely does not
We just need a purely waterfowl / small mammals map
Big game hunting is fun but so is hunting the smaller animals
Sweden with beavers is on my wishlist. GO moose on it too
I bet dollars to donuts that is what you will get
then we can take revenge on the beavers for destroying our tents 😈
lol yea
Just let me shoot the dog
revenge on the dog for blocking the shots lol
Dog Hunter: Call of the Cat
HAHAHAHA
my dog killed me twice. Once knocking me off a cliff, another time he joined the wolves.
oh lol
On a Sweden map based around small game hunting you could have many animals that would be awesome. Such as hares, rabbits, beavers, squirrels, Canada goose, mallards, pintails, teals, gadwall, greater white fronted goose, graylag goose, bean goose etc.
Not an expert so correct me if I’m wrong
I hunt red deer on hirsch 😳
Haven’t played in a while, a waterfowl map would have me on the game constantly
otters, wolverine, arctic fox, and mroe
more
broski get cuatro
I feel for me it has been a lack of change for the reason I haven’t played much
I have cuatro, but I never use it
Prefer hirsch for red deer
Something like more waterfowl would drastically change that for me
It's my favorite map for sure
Mainly bc of red deer and ibex
The waterfowl will change alot
My fav map is te awora
Mainly because when I play that map I feel apart of the game
I fear they may make geese more difficult, and they have been my ATM
I don’t know why
They will probably have zones wich will mean that we can delete the zones = hard to grind money
Very true, I remember I would hunt geese all day on hirsch and make heaps
But I’d like a challenge
COTW feels like an arcade game I would like to see a bit more realism
Personally I want more big game
Other than geese, it seems pretty realistic to me. Sort of like the best day hunting. Rarely do you see so many animals.
Some people like the run and shoot style of the game but I prefer the sit and wait
I do run n gun in game, enough sit and wait irl
Víctor came in to defend Hirsch’s honor then dipped
lol
I just don’t like when people spread misinformation about an already misunderstood map
So what has happened so far
Still 94.5% chance it is Sweden. 3.2% chance Canada, 1.1% chance Austin.
0.01% Africa 2.0
NAN% Medved Update
About right. Only way Africa works is to allow shooting endangered species.
Can't be Russia, not with Ukraine
@potent cave I think jaxy said that hunting pressure was not going to affect zones for hunting waterfowl because of the fact that we will be shooting so many.
@radiant osprey yes true and I don’t think I could shoot an elephant or a giraffe.
I just got down voted to hell on reddit for saying the new image isn't med-ved
What new images?
No, there are so many species that are not endangered
not ones people want to hunt ie elephants, rino, giraffe