suggestion-discussion

[quiet marsh]

Nah not like that at all, more of if I have 2000 rock. Instead of going back to my chest to grab a couple stacks and than going back to building. I could just build that 2000 dry

idk like I said it's not something that the game needs. Just a thought I've had before so I threw it on there

[languid ibex]

I understand, personally it's not for me, and I'm not quick to support ideas just because "it could be optional," but if the developers were interested, I wouldn't be fussed one bit.

I'll change my vote. 👍

Oh you deleted it. 😅

[quiet marsh]

You said its been brought up multiple times so I removed it

lol

[languid ibex]

Ah, that's not a negative thing in my eyes, just the reason why I've an established opinion.

More suggestions is a pseudo upvote to me.

[quiet marsh]

thats cool

[languid ibex]

Anyways, thanks for humoring my questions. 😄

[wanton atlas]

Yeah... I also wanted a triangle build piece. But it dont fit when we tried it

[languid ibex]

@frank badger You really don't need to bait out the second hit, the first is typically enough to begin chaining stagger, in most cases you might save a second or two.

In any case, that knowledge is still rewarding, and comes at the cost of stamina being used on the first swing.

[peak bronze]

#suggestions message I have no idea what this suggestion is about.

[karmic flax]

random and or big waves?

[celest flume]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave

[peak bronze]

Ah, thanks for clarifying. But there can sometimes be big waves when storming.

[wanton atlas]

every 7 wave irl is a tiny rogue wave 🤔

[wind hill]

It’s good and a viable option, not overpowered in my experience. They die too quickly when overwhelmed by enemies which tend to be the norm in the Ashlands. I prefer just go head first with berserkir storm axes with full flametal armor, three health foods. If countering correctly and staying calm you’ll be undefeatable. Way more effective than the trollstav imo

[ember lily]

I also like that more, but the trollstav is just a really safe option because you can just recast it till all enemies are dead

[wind hill]

Yeah it’s safer, but not as fun or satisfying for me. Letting someone else do all the dirty work while you watch is not something I like to do. I do my own work and get the reward if I deserve it or not

[wintry bobcat]

IMO magic in general is very safe while doing consistent damage, making it OP but boring af

[spiral ice]

Same, except I prefer a feast over a third HP food (trade 30 short-term HP for 33 long-term stamina).

[analog moss]

#suggestions message @obtuse vortex you can use the pick axe on the earth above your floor and it removes less.

[royal lily]

Hill issue

[karmic flax]

something something high ground

[sick breach]

Also hoe does this.

[spiral ice]

I think BD is asking for a tool that can automatically lower the ground to floor level, even through the floor itself. There are times that some earth pokes through but can't actually be interacted with unless the floor is removed first.

[karmic flax]

@midnight junco other than the no build cost already in game?

[midnight junco]

Yeah

Like how Minecraft has it

[karmic flax]

idk what the difference is, i havent played minecraft in like 16 years

[peak bronze]

Freefly and godmode, plus all items available to craft/build.

In Valheim build mode requires picking materials to get recipes but building them is free.

[languid ibex]

That's all available in debug though right?

[peak bronze]

Yes, but apparently the suggestion is about making it option without using console commands, if I understood that correctly.

[peak bronze]

And that was how it is in MineCraft.

[languid ibex]

Ah, it says mode, and it is called debugmode.

[lament zinc]

So we got another Valcraft or Mineheim wishlist again?

What's wrong with Valheim being unique?

sighs

[lofty field]

Debugmode is only available solo or if you're the host. MP support probably is what's missing for it to be a true creative mode.

[peak bronze]

World modifiers allow building mode and passive enemies, although it's not probably what they are after.

[lofty field]

The only thing I can think of that's missing is flying/free build camera. Recipes can be unlocked with global keys too (don't know if hammer mode sets them, but they're available)

And maybe a modifier to turn off stability

[peak bronze]

I think Smiffe has said no for stability system being able to on/off.

[lofty field]

I don't think that's needed, but maybe people think it should be part of creative mode, idk

[karmic flax]

the other parts of the creative mode wouldnt brick the build if creative is turned off

[lofty field]

(for the record, the global keys are AllPiecesUnlocked and AllRecipesUnlocked)

[languid ibex]

Right, I don't see mention of that in the suggestion, but sure.

[lofty field]

I mean, for a truly supported game mode, it would need to support mp, otherwise its just what it is now, debugmode, for the devs to test stuff

[languid ibex]

It does support multiplayer, just not everyone playing in it.

[lofty field]

That's not what supporting mp means. It does not work properly in mp and was probably never meant to.

[midnight junco]

What's wrong with a dedicated creative mode bro I never said it had to be like Minecraft

[karmic flax]

Yea its called debug mode under dev(eloper)commands for a reason

[midnight junco]

I'm talking about like an easier way to access it tho

[safe dove]

Is debug mode available on console?

[midnight junco]

Yes

[lament zinc]

1. I'm not your "bro".
   If you want to address me, call me "sir".

2. There are lots of players who want to incorporate Minecraft things in Valheim.
   The moment that happens the uniqueness of Valheim is gone.
   Same with things that "should" be added from Enshrouded, Windrose, Subnautica, The Forest, Stranded Deep and other Sandbox Survival games.
   It doesn't belong in Valheim.

3. I wasn't addressing you personally, but more making a general comment based upon what I've seen suggested before.

[midnight junco]

Creative mode is not unique to Minecraft

[lament zinc]

Did I say that?

[languid ibex]

It does work properly, nothing stops functioning in debugmode in multiplayer.

[midnight junco]

I don't want Minecraft stuff in Valheim I was just using it as like reference I want Valheim to be unique I'm just wondering why everyone thinks that a creative mode will destroy Valheim

[languid ibex]

As is, debugmode functions as any hosted server does, where only the host or "admin" can utilize commands. Similar to typing /gamemode 0/1.

[languid ibex]

Seems like a bit of a generalized assumption, I don't see anyone saying it will destroy Valheim, and one negative opinion doesn't account for everyone.

[rose swan]

Just curious, (and I might not have caught up on the convo) but what would you like to see in Valheim ‘build’ mode? 🤔

[lofty field]

You can't use devcommands and debugmode on a dedicated server (not even as admin), so no, it does not work properly in mp. And that's fine, it was never meant to, but that stops it from being a true creative mode.
Typing /gamemode 0/1 normally toggles a game mode for the hole server. Sure, only admins can execute it, but the toggled mode affects everyone. That is not the case for debugmode

[midnight junco]

The ability to fly and access any item without having to summon it in the dev command thing

[languid ibex]

It doesn't toggle the whole server in Minecraft, just the person able to use commands. If you're hosting the server, you are able to use commands. This is the only limiting factor, but it does work in multiplayer just as it would in solo.

[midnight junco]

Simply a quality of life thing

[languid ibex]

You're aware debugmode command allows for this yes?

[lofty field]

That's THE limiting factor that makes it not work in mp, certainly not (for no one) on dedicated server

[midnight junco]

I'm on console so it's just a little more effort to do those things and yes I know I'm being a whiner rn

[languid ibex]

Not at all, just trying to let you know what you'd like to do is possible.

[rose swan]

I can get on board with making those features a little easier to access as far as a setting goes, don’t see any harm in that 🤔

[languid ibex]

I understand you're looking for more of a world mode, not so much one activated by commands.

[midnight junco]

I do and I'm sorry if was being annoying or I appeared angry earlier

[languid ibex]

Not to worry! I didn't get that feeling at all personally.

[rose swan]

You’re good, don’t worry about it
This is a channel for discussions after all!

[languid ibex]

Again, it does work in multiplayer, just not for everyone. I've played enough minecraft servers where only the host can go creative, and that was enough to achieve any shortcuts we might've wanted as a group.

[midnight junco]

I Appreciate it

Is there a way to control the weather with dev commands?

[lofty field]

Again, on dedicated servers it does not work at all (there is no host there).

[languid ibex]

Absolutely

[languid ibex]

That's not the only option for multiplayer, so that's not what I'm referencing.

[midnight junco]

What is the command if you don't mind me asking?

[languid ibex]

I believe it's "env Clear"

It's been some time since I've used them.

[midnight junco]

Ok I'll try that thank you

[lofty field]

You can set global keys in your world (once) so you can build freely and know all pieces/recipes, then the only think you need to use the console for is to fly. That could make it a bit easier

[midnight junco]

I'll try that thanks again

[lofty field]

The mode only working in a limited subset of options is the defintion of not being fully supported

[languid ibex]

I've not said it is fully supported, I'm just letting you know it does work in multiplayer.

[lofty field]

It can in some cases and often it doesn't

[languid ibex]

Fair, just wanting to be clear when you had said that before.

[mortal lichen]

The music in the POI's is the best part and WHY some people build over them
#suggestions message

[rose swan]

The reason I built on a fuling village is for the music

With that being said, if there was some sort of object that could play music tracks in a given area, I could get on board with that. Some ye old jukebox.

[languid ibex]

@muted mural The excitement of new magic weaponry becoming a thing would be lost, and this suggestion would only benefit people who have played the game through before. Luckily you can bring magic weapons into a new playthrough, and up the difficulty to add to the challenge.

[finite folio]

Bro valheim already shares numerous similarities with other games, that’s nothing to say about it being unique ultimately, which it is, and will still be

[marsh radish]

I don't know how to highlight suggestions but personally @mighty coral I would absolutely love rogue waves. The ocean biome could definitely use more variation and I think that would be such a fun, thrilling thing to face. I feel like people just afk when sailing lol that would give you a reason to stay

[mighty coral]

Just imagine the potential for shoreline fishes

[wind hill]

You aren't and did not come across as being either. Just some people being too pompous/stuck up/arrogant. Too much ego etc

[muted mural]

I don't think I agree with the lack of excitment argument: the iron/bronze maces don't make Frostner any less cool, nor did adding the early axes suddenly make the berserkir axes less exciting. So long as the early staves follow a similar design ethos, it would still be exciting to get new staffs in mistlands/ashlands/presumably far north.

[languid ibex]

Those aren't similar comparisons at all to be fair.

[wanton atlas]

if that's the reason for rogue waves. it's a bad idea

[languid ibex]

Completely new weaponry, skills and combat styles is not the same as adding an elemental damage or a dual wield option.

[mighty coral]

lol no, the reason would be to add more excitement to ocean boating.

[stiff stag]

On mobile if you tap and hold on a message some options will come up and one is to copy the message link which you can then post here. On PC I believe it's just right click on a message to bring up the options (I'm not at home so I can't double check).

[languid ibex]

Rogue waves are naturally happening already are they not? Storms toss my boat around in very odd ways often enough.

[mighty coral]

There’s not really any danger to the existing waves, but you’re right that sometimes they can get relatively large during a storm

[languid ibex]

You've yet to be tossed into a rock while outrunning a serpent it seems.

[mighty coral]

True that’s never happened to me. I just kill them

[languid ibex]

It's happened enough to me, whether on a body retrieval mission, or sailing to the Ashlands, the waves can provide enough challenge at times.

I would rather something new and interesting, like a whirlpool for example.

[mighty coral]

I’m down for whirlpools

But body retrieval might be tricky there ;)

[languid ibex]

I am just picturing them spinning you off course, but potentially more danger there in smaller vessels.

[mighty coral]

I’m picturing a leviathan’s maw opening to suck your entire ship in

[languid ibex]

That'd be a great way to make sailing even more tedious and punishing, I would hope that's never a thing. 😅

[mighty coral]

Well I think the tedium is where we agree on the sailing then. I’m just wanting to add some excitement in

[languid ibex]

I don't know if more ways to lose it all is the only way to do that.

Personally I think more ocean life would be great, I have always wanted schools of whales to be a thing.

Or a whale-like creature that is passive and tricky to hunt, with decent benefits.

[muted mural]

Calling the twin axes merely "a dual wield option" seems a bit of a stretch: twin axes have a completely different playstyle and animations from the normal axe. Maces may not have been the best comparison, admittedly, but the point is more that an early introduction to a playstyle does not make it less exciting to get new/better tools for that playstyle.

If anything, it probably makes the playstyle feel better to enter into for new players because it allows you to level up the skills throughout the game instead of having to start from 0 when your already through 2/3rds of the game.

[coral rivet]

@sand barn As funny as that would be, it might be a bit... unfriendly lol

[languid ibex]

That's fine, they utilize the same things, and can be described as an axe but instead there's two. That's just not the case with magic weaponry.

[frank badger]

#suggestions message Why tf not

[marsh radish]

I built my base on the fuling village SO I could hear the awesome music 😂

If you're gonna remove all the buildings there anyway, why even build your base there? Just built it somewhere else. If you don't want the music or the buildings why would you even do a base over them lol

[frank badger]

Idk it's a good location on the coast and close to my main base

There's black forest on either side of it. I guess I could just move to the other coast nearby

[muted mural]

...not to get too side tracked on the axes thing, but by your logic a battle axe is the same thing as an axe because, despite being completely different in combat from the normal or dual axes, it "can be described as an axe but instead" it's bigger.

Concerning magic weapons, the point remains: having one early elemental staff and one early bloodmagic staff isn't going to ruin the experience of the late game staves. If anything, it'd be the opposite: being able to start using magic early means you'll actually have decent skill levels in magic when you get to the mistlands staves, whereas currently you basically have to start leveling those skills from scratch quite late into the game (which, in the case of blood magic, almost requires grinding).

[languid ibex]

I never said it's the same thing, just that it's functionally similar and the excitement levels aren't comparable.

Progression should contain some element of achieving new things to utilize, weaponry included.

If you don't agree that's fine, it's just my personal concern whenever I see suggestions about early magic, not to mention having to balance such things for early usage, as magic is quite powerful as it stands.

[rose swan]

#suggestions message But how could you prove/enforce this? 🤔

[simple hound]

"I spent 100 days in Valheim's survival mode (No settings changed) building this base!"

[spiral ice]

I personally think magic should become available in the Plains, as that is the halfway point of the game. But that would ruin all kinds of things progression-wise, so I would never want it to happen.

Early crossbow would totally be great though.

[runic plover]

In my experience, crossbows are fantastic in plains since you can see so far. Introducing a weapon with an effective range of your entire draw distance in a biome that heavily restricts vision range seems ill-timed, now that I think about it.

[barren elk]

never realized that but youre right, plains crossbows would be great

[karmic flax]

Fits the theme of weapons being ineffective in the biome theyre introduced in

[peak bronze]

Arbalest ineffective in Mistlands?

[karmic flax]

With their point that vision is restricted, yes

[peak bronze]

I find it effective.

But I can see the point with limited sight.

[runic plover]

Arbalest is a fine weapon; never let it be said otherwise. However, introducing the crossbow in a biome with numerous cliffs, spires, and mist does restrict its usefulness somewhat.

[peak bronze]

Ps. I've suggested special case crossbow earlier. #suggestions message

[celest flume]

last time I suggested a plains tier crossbow, Smiffe shot it down

[languid ibex]

@toxic oyster The same problem you're describing isn't solved by the key being wooden though... it is still fair to ask why the Elder has such a key regardless of what it's made of.

[royal lily]

Why are things not item stand-able?

[glad cargo]

You got lucky and the particular Elder you've slain has a branch that looks suspiciously like a Key and casually fits all the locks in all Swamps across the world

I like the idea personally, makes a bit more sense. Tbf, having the Elder drop a random "Swamp Key" wasn't something that detracted from the experience the first time I played Valheim. It also helped me know what to look out for next

[languid ibex]

Why does it make sense? Have you ever tried turning a locking mechanism with a wooden key? Much less a lock that is seemingly ancient? 🤔

[glad cargo]

It's magic wood ok

It was alive and tried to kill you 3 seconds ago

[languid ibex]

Nah

😅

[lofty wave]

in alpha versions the elder dropped ancient bark before it was moved to ancient trees, so you could make a ship. ancient bark still has elder bark as its id

[glad cargo]

And honestly, an ancient, rotting and rusted lock you'd find in a millennia-old swamp would not open regardless of what the key is made of.

Having the Elder drop a branch that resembles a key with the description "Smells foetid, as if this branch lived in a swamp millennia ago" would be very fitting

[languid ibex]

This is especially true for wood, but debatable for metal.

[glad cargo]

Unnecessary change, right? But it'd be cool

[languid ibex]

That's your opinion I guess, I think it'd be lame.

[glad cargo]

No u

[languid ibex]

Ah yes, someone disagrees, better insult them.

🙄

[karmic flax]

👀

[sick breach]

"No u" is a joke referencing immature debate, and not even an insult...

Given that the Elder has a big stone wrapped up in his roots, i think an ancient key being stuck in there works; he grew like tree roots around all sorts of buried detritus, until they became incorporated into his body. When we fell him, this is one of the things we find in his root ribcage.

[languid ibex]

So you're deciding what's insulting to me? So strange. Anyways, thanks for the input despite that.

[sick breach]

No need to insult me, just trying to help.

[royal lily]

Im not chandler but I think candle wax is different from resin. I also like the idea of being so rich you buy them for special events

[sick breach]

I thought candles could be fuelled by resin. What fuels them?

[shadow crow]

Wax

[sick breach]

Huh.

[shadow crow]

RL candles anyway

[sick breach]

Still wish blue and green torches/braziers could be refuelled with resin/coal.

[royal lily]

Id rather have 3+ uses for greydwarf eyes than have more resin 😭

[karmic flax]

You cant refuel candles anyway

Irl

[royal lily]

Truuu

#suggestions message would u be able to cast it with some skill?

I dont use magic im curious

[karmic flax]

You could, but the amount of eitr also goes down over time

[ember lily]

probably smth like 40 would be nice

[glad cargo]

I was not trying to insult you, sorry if you felt that way. It is my opinion that it would be cool, same way it is your opinion that it would be lame. I just replied with that as a joke to close the conversation, didn't intend much more than that

[royal lily]

Does this feast give Health as well as Stamina? I just wonder if it was intended to be a skill issue. Would this buff allow you to cast more if your other foods were eitr eitr or eitr stam? I like the idea of having to train a little before you can really utilize it. I also wonder how high of a skill youd need to still be able to cast as the feast deteriorated

[karmic flax]

If you have 100 skill it costs 24 eitr for a single cast.

Its 65 hp and stamina and 33 eitr. 62/62/39 wouldnt be bad

[royal lily]

Yeah it sounds like a good idea just for the ember cast but im wondering if numbers make it a bigger buff than just that 🤔

[lament zinc]

At "zero" skill, casting a fireball would cost you 34 Eitr, if I'm not mistaken.
So 35 may be enough to start with, as it will prevent players to use the feasts to spam fireballs the moment the bar has filled up enough. And the more excess Eitr there is, the easier it is to cast that spell multiple times in a row.

[karmic flax]

Theres no spamming if you barely can afford 1

[royal lily]

Im assuming youre eating more than the feast for eitr my apologies. Im wondering if it buffs more if you are esting other eitr food

[karmic flax]

No im talking about if i run 1 feast and then regular food, being able to fire 1 fireball now and then should be a thing

[lament zinc]

It's about the amount of Eitr left combined with the Eitr-regen / second.

The more Eitr is left after a single cast, the faster you can cast it again.

So when it's close to what your minimal requirement of doing a cast without any level is, it will take longer to cast that spell again, as when you start with 5-6 Eitr left with a higher amount of Eitr from the feast.
It may be 2-4 seconds waiting time in difference, but those 2-4 seconds can matter a lot.

[languid ibex]

Alright, well it came across as insulting, you might want to use that phrase more carefully in the future, thanks for the clarification. 👍

[stiff stag]

"No u" is used to throw something someone said back onto them to be used as a childish insult against them (in this case using what Omni said to call them lame). Doesn't matter what your intent was if what you said doesn't match that intent at all.

[karmic flax]

This was hours ago, no need to start it up again

[stiff stag]

I only just joined in, didn't pay much attention to how long ago it started, sorry about that.

[stiff stag]

"Refueling" in the context of a candle would be reapplying the resin around the wick. Currently you have to break down the used up candle to get the wick back then rebuild the candle with the wick + 1 resin.

[rose swan]

I think it would make for the candle to be a more ideal light source if it was more consistent with other fueled light sources 🤔

[stiff stag]

Having to break it down and replace it every time does make it inconvenient to work with.

[karmic flax]

Itd be brtter to have wax or something so you just "replace" the candle

[rose swan]

Like instead of resin? 🤔

[karmic flax]

Yeah mostly the wording would just be different. Replace instead of refill

[runic plover]

I can definitely say that in the main base I had in a group world some time ago, I stopped replacing the two dozen or so candles around the place after the second or third time they went out. Wasn't worth the trouble. Just a quick E to replenish them would be much better.

[night fossil]

hello, any idea when the final update is? I have many plans but I'm too lazy to start them again when the new version arrives 🙂 Is it safe for a while to advance in the current one, at least a few months?

[karmic flax]

When its done.

And yes, as long as you dont get too close to deep north youll be fine. Only areas close to where you have explored will already be generated and not generate new stuff

[night fossil]

ohhh excelent, i go to the valheim!!! thanks!

[rose swan]

Ahh gotcha, yeah I’m down
Anything to make it to where you don’t have to deconstruct the candle to renew it

[languid ibex]

@chrome fable I am a bit confused about your stair suggestion. 🤔

[chrome fable]

the ones you put to a wall like we got walking stairs and then theres wall stairs

up and down ones

[languid ibex]

Yeah still very confused

All stairs are up and down and can be put on a wall.

[chrome fable]

ok ok minecraft wood stairs/ tree house stairs

Get it?

[chrome fable]

i dont know if theres specific name for that

[rose swan]

Are you talking about ladders? 🤔

[chrome fable]

YAAH LADDERS ty

[languid ibex]

Ah, I don't want climbing ladders, it is all players would use rather than making nice staircases.

[chrome fable]

Well its still optionl but i would want them at least,could be really neat

[languid ibex]

@proper sequoia You cannot fully upgrade it yet, hard to agree with your point.

[proper sequoia]

Neither can you fully upgrade the other Ashland weapons

[languid ibex]

That's fine, Dyrnwyn is the one being mentioned.

[proper sequoia]

Yeah Dyrnwy nhas only 10 more slash than Nidhögg while Nidhogg has the thundering aspect

[languid ibex]

Lightening in the ashlands is good because of weaknesses, that could be the case for deep north and dyrnwyn for all you know right?

[proper sequoia]

Lightning is good because no one is resistance not because mobs are weak to it

[languid ibex]

Feels like getting too far ahead in my opinion.

[proper sequoia]

Nah I did all that just to get a shitty weapon tbh

[languid ibex]

It's perfectly usable, it's just not meta in the ashlands.

[rose swan]

[languid ibex]

There are lightening weaknesses in the ashlands.

[proper sequoia]

Only Morgen

[languid ibex]

Which is handy

[proper sequoia]

Morgens are easy to deal with nontheless and they aren't the most frequent

At least Dyrnwyn looks cool

Good for decoration I guess

[rose swan]

#suggestions message
huge Dyrnwyn lover myself, I think it’s a super cool weapon. Despite its drawbacks, it’s my primary weapon.

In case you’re curious, here’s my take on a potential buff for this legendary weapon.

[languid ibex]

I have yet to fail against any enemy while using Dyrnwyn, and it stands to reason it will become more useful in the Deep North.

[proper sequoia]

I am not saying the weapon is ass, it's just mediocre compared to the other ashland lightning weapons

Like there is no point in getting the weapon besides saying "oh I got Dyrnwyn"

[languid ibex]

Not yet

[rose swan]

||Deep North? 👀 ||

[languid ibex]

Ty, wife started talking to me, autopilot does funny things

[proper sequoia]

Well yeah if they release Deep North sometime before everyone loses interest

And give it some special effect

[rose swan]

Deep North will reignite interest im sure 🤔

[languid ibex]

Who's losing interest, Valheim has remained solid in player count for 5 years. 🤷

[proper sequoia]

Ngl tho ever since the Ashlands it has been slow

We keep getting edged with Deep Norht

[rose swan]

Not surprising though, it is the formal release update after all 🤔

[languid ibex]

Well that's because it's full release, not just a biome addition.

[rose swan]

Naturally, they’ll want it to be as polished as possible.

[proper sequoia]

Still

At least they have a small group working on it so it'll hopefully be good quality

[rose swan]

I hope so! I’m optimistic they’ll deliver, games been pretty great so far!

Seems they’ve been taking a lot of player feedback into consideration recently

[proper sequoia]

Yeah after the Ashlands realease and the majority of the player base complaining about it

Early Ashlands was hell incarnate lol

[rose swan]

Yee, one example of many of them listening to community feedback. Seems there are still many who yearn for a more challenging game mode, I’m curious if we will ever see anything come to fruition on that beyond upping damage/HP stats.

[fast void]

Early Ashlands was incredible and I miss it 😭

[spiral ice]

They could add a slider for spawn density. Not sure how much that would affect other aspects of the game though. Also maybe a slider for less/more aggression by enemies.

[royal lily]

Is.... there a mod for original ashlands XD

[stone citrus]

Probably not cus no one wants it

[royal lily]

Boooooo

[stone citrus]

Why, you want it? It sucked

[royal lily]

Sounds awesome

[stone citrus]

On paper maybe
People are exaggerating how "cool" it was
It was tedious

[royal lily]

So like valheim

[stone citrus]

Plus, they didn't change much
Just less spawn frequency or something

Detailed Patch Notes:

Fixes & Improvements:

• Decreased random spawn chance of multiple enemies in the Ashlands:
• Voltures: reduced spawn chance from 30% to 20%
• Twitchers [DAY]: Spawn interval increased from 110 to 200, reduced spawn chance from 55% to 25%, maxSpawn decreased from 4 to 3
• Twitchers [NIGHT]: Spawn interval increased from 100 to 160, spawn chance reduced from 60% to 30%, maxSpawn decreased from 5 to 4
• Charred Archer: Spawn interval increased from 240 to 320, reduced spawn chance from 40% to 20%
• Charred Melee: Spawn interval increased from 240 to 320, reduced spawn chance from 50% to 20%
• LavaBlob: Spawn interval increased from 200 to 260.

Tl;Dr
Running away was the only viable strategy

[royal lily]

So nobody beat fader pre nerf?

[stone citrus]

No, we did
It just sucked to do

[stiff stag]

Enemy spam beyond any reasonable amount is anything but fun, especially in a game like this where it can easily become a completely one sided fight.

[crimson ermine]

Can also use spawn that! And modify the spawn rates of all enemies to be the old amount

[glad cargo]

I love that weapon, it looks so damn cool. My take on it was downloading Wacky's Database and increasing the fire damage from 10 to 30

[royal lily]

There has to be a lazier mans mod for original ashlands but thank you i may mess with CLLC at some point for it

[sacred kernel]

Hey, I think it would be a good idea for dyrnwyn to do fire damage to the opponents.

[analog moss]

it does.

[sacred kernel]

To other players?

[analog moss]

it should. Problem is the fire damage is so low.

afaik, damage against armor and blocking is calculated for each damage type separately. Since Dyrnwyn only does 10 fire damage, even leather armor absorbs it all.

[sacred kernel]

Yeah, ig I never really fully noticed it

Bummer for being the hardest weapon to obtain.

[analog moss]

it's all bragging rights.

[karmic flax]

See if it shows it if you attack an unarmored player

The visually burning effect only applies if it does at least 1 damage per tick

[royal lily]

Some items like the sitting log or horizontal item stand place you sitting or the item opposite to which the arrows point, is this intentional?

[languid ibex]

I'm unsure personally, but I think that's a good catch if not.

[coral rivet]

@peak bronze I do not think the game needs another pair of dual wielded axes. While the weapon is effective, and useful for gathering woods, I do not think that the weapon/tool should be homogenized to mid-game. I feel the same way about your fist-weapon recommendation (there are decent-enough fist-weapons for the game [found in Black Forest and Plains]). There are gaps in available weaponry for good reason. Just my two cents.
I do agree that Chitin (as well as the other materials) needs more crafts, though.

[spiral ice]

We need dual-wielded swords. 😄

[marsh radish]

But historically, where those ever used 🤔 I can see dual knives, but sword would be difficult

[spiral ice]

We have a fireball grenade launcher and a lightning shotgun. I wouldn't worry too much about being historically accurate. 😄

[eternal wyvern]

I don't think they'd look nearly as cool as sword + shield or dual axes or even 2h swords. 2 swords feels more of an MMORPG thing imo

[languid ibex]

Yes, they were used by many different societies throughout history.

[peak bronze]

One dual wield axe pair in middle of Meadows and Ashlands tiers should not trivialize too much and that weapon type would have many gaps between. Fists also have lots of gaps, having weapons currently only in 3 biomes.
I think the rarity of leviathans and the need for finding Haldor (and scales for fist weapon) would be fair requirements for these rarer weapons.

[languid ibex]

I'm quick to understand that weapon gaps are typically not a problem from the perspective of the developers, but having dual wield axes only in the beginning and end game should inform some sort of middle ground would happen somewhere. I'm also a bit biased because Fist Weapons quickly became my favorite weapon after I'd done my last playthrough with them.

[coral rivet]

I respect your suggestion, and understand the logic of it.

[peak bronze]

Little biased for fists too, would be nice having some blunt option too other than bare hands since we have pierce and slash.

[languid ibex]

Yeah I totally agree.

[peak bronze]

But also the middle ground for axes.

[finite folio]

brass knuckles anyone?

[barren elk]

doesnt feel very viking like but well neither does staffs and crossbows

[spiral ice]

Holy crap, you changed your picture. 😱

[sacred kernel]

Good idea dude

[wintry bobcat]

@worn skiff the idea has been suggested before, but kind of found unnecessary as there’s already farmable feathers in the game

[worn skiff]

How? I am unaware of it besides just shooting Seagulls

[peak bronze]

Burial chambers have plenty of them, but there will be specific tame animal later which drops feathers upon death.

[simple hound]

oh right

somehow I forgot about them...

[finite folio]

trees drop feathers lol

[karmic flax]

Theres so many ways to get feathers

And you can use wood arrows for half the game to save on feathers

[stiff stag]

There's a huge difference between a weapon vikings would likely never have any concept of, and weapons that they have seen and adapted to in a foreign land (in this case, magic staves and crossbows are things the dvergr can be seen using, so it's not unreasonable for the player to adapt to using those types of weapons).

[rose swan]

*Viking finds a minigun

that’s not a Viking weapons!
It is now!!

[barren elk]

let all new weapons be chosen based on this😂

#suggestions message give the secondary attack to jotun bane, that way it would atleast have one cool thing about it

[peak bronze]

It has secondary attack, the overhead attack downwards.

[royal lily]

#suggestions message what would the announcement text be 🤔

[worthy moon]

i dont know 😅 maybe something about roots rising... 😄

[wintry bobcat]

||Chickens||

[karmic flax]

@lyric ravine your post was deleted because you didnt gollow the form for the duggestion channel, and it is still not a suggestion for the game itself

[karmic flax]

"The root of all evil..."
"It has been uprooted..."

[barren elk]

yeah i know, give it a throwable attack instead

[karmic flax]

Overhead special attack is so axes can easier get stumps

[peak bronze]

Throw axe.
Slight miss
Bye axe.

[karmic flax]

Yeah, spear me that trouble

[barren elk]

yeah well jotun bane is preferred to be used for combat instead of chopping wood

the other axes can keep their chop attack

[karmic flax]

Eh, given how much of the damage is poison and poison applications dont stack its probably one of the axes least effective in combat

[lofty wave]

1h axes are already bad because of their weak secondary attack and the poison only makes that worse

[royal lily]

The root of all evil would be my vote for a dvergr raid

[barren elk]

well the poison doesnt really make it any better in wood cutting either

its overall a terrible item

[karmic flax]

Doesnt make it worse either since chop damage is separate

[stiff stag]

It isn't primarily meant for combat, like other 1 handed axes it is meant for cutting wood first and foremost, hence why the secondary attack reflects that use and not a use meant for combat.

[rose swan]

So many suggestions recently about white wood… I wonder where the ideas are coming from? 🤔

[karmic flax]

Is that a thing in windrose?

[lethal marten]

WE NEED WHITE WOOD!

[marsh radish]

I suggested it a week or so ago, and I don't play Windrose. I just love the idea of a different style to build with, I think it'd be awesome. I saw some white architecture driving by and was like huh I'd like to do that in Valheim 🤣

[lethal marten]

yeah as a builder i would REALLY like to have more wood or stone types of different design and theme

[arctic wharf]

Being able to charge the staff of embers would be pretty awesome, though I almost wonder if it's time for a fireball staff 2.0 that also would then have said capability.
(One of the end game magic weapons)

https://tenor.com/view/anime-mushoku-tensei-jobless-reincarnation-rudeus-rudeus-greyrat-gif-17370891252148889189

[marsh radish]

I'd also love some red brick or redwood lol

[lethal marten]

oh right and red colored wood. its common in all the nordic countries. red clay was commonly used in north to prevent the wood going bad and u can see them every where

idk about red bricks or redwood (the tree species). they were not used by vikings

[rose swan]

I actually like the idea of charging a fireball staff, but can’t imagine having the current fireball staff even more powerful! Didn’t even consider a fireball staff 2.0, I love that 👀

#suggestions message Not opposed to more ‘clutter’ items by any means, but I’m not 100% on board with the example listed. I’ll give my support regardless though 🤔

[arctic wharf]

Same, actually. Decorative elements are nice, though probably not those specific examples.

[cinder void]

It would be cool if in future updates they made a biome that is underground and you need to find a big entrance in deep north for example, that biome could be a little more darker and new criatures, ores and bosses, it would be cool if it have more than one biome underground too, mushroom places, cristal biomes and whatever

[lethal marten]

Its a bit disapointing that people dont see the historical value of red clay in viking culture and how it would fit perfetly in the world of valheim

[lament zinc]

I don't think it's the value of red clay, but more likely the "It could serve as a way to protect wood from rain" you added to the suggestion.

There's so many suggestions about adding some sort of rain protection to wood in the past years, people are getting allergic to those.

-# I shouldn't type long sentences while being tired and sleepy. 😒

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message On a design level, a ward of course shouldn't block access to something that doesn't belong to the players in general. However, it is not something that needs to be addressed, since it's only an issue that would come up when playing with untrustworthy or abusive players, which is entirely on the player given that you're warned of the risks and consequences that come with playing with random strangers.

[simple hound]

what mightn't this anime be 👀

[stiff stag]

Links to gifs will occasionally include tags with information like that. Just copy and paste the link somewhere and you can usually find out that way.

[wanton atlas]

@oblique gyro dont report bugs like blocking foresaken powers in suggestion chat.

[oblique gyro]

I thought it was a feature.

[wintry bobcat]

@fathom sapphire Discord has a neat feature where you can search for keywords in a chat, if you suspect your suggestions has already been suggested before :)

[wanton atlas]

It's not 😅

[waxen phoenix]

Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation
Since no one wanted to answer. :p
It takes him a few years to work up to Power Word: Delete like that.
Edit: Season 2, Ep 1, it seems.

[simple hound]

oh really? I need to rewatch it then

[arctic wharf]

Mushoku tensei (jobless reincarnation)
Been very popular

Ah, seems someone beat me to it haha

[steel bronze]

Did someone already propose to have Passive skills that improve the character in term of stamina and passive health ?

[mint scaffold]

I literally wrote the suggestion about it because of this exact scene im not even kidding 😄

[rose swan]

Yeah, generally it’s an idea most don’t like because it breaks the balance of the game and/or detracts from the importance of your diet.

[steel bronze]

I think the diet can be balanced with a Malus if you don't eat for X time, and give less buffs

The fact that most your capacities are buffs from external things is bothering I thing

[round otter]

hello, will there ever be valheim steam achievements?
i am hoping for them for years now 😄

i think there could be achievements for stuff like the early axes to obtain and some that need grind like skill level 100 etc.?

[languid ibex]

Yes, it is confirmed to be happening.

[round otter]

very nice, is there already an estimation for when to expect them?

[languid ibex]

Alongside 1.0

[royal lily]

I like tower shield love but isnt #suggestions message this already what towers do just by blocking minus the stagger parts

[arctic wharf]

I don't believe they have a bash attack?

[royal lily]

They dont but the block force is a knockback

[languid ibex]

Knockback doesn't deal damage, so I wouldn't call it similar to an attack personally.

[royal lily]

Yeah the suggestion didnt mention it as an attack that damages i think they used it as a general term? I could be wrong.

Im trying to think how a tower shield that staggers everything around u wouldn't be op tho 😂 not that theres anything wrong with tower shields being op

[arctic wharf]

Usually an attack implies damage.
The simple solution to have it be more risk/reward is give the animation a long delay if you don't hit anything, making your shield be out of place and you vulnerable.

You are swinging around a heavy shield after all.

[sick breach]

I didnt mean for it to be damaging, just something that staggers, knocks back, and if you aimed it well, staggers other enemies. I think given it requires multiple enemies, lining up the closest enemy, timing the shield bash, and still comes with the tower shield movement penalty, shouldn't be too op.

[lofty wave]

so similar to the unused tower shield attack that was worked on for call to arms? but triggered manually instead of on a third block
#memes-and-clips message

[royal lily]

Im confused mr/ms cake, have I been using tower shields not realizing they do damage? What am I missing?

#suggestions message why would you want to protect a dvergr

[marsh radish]

So they can help us fight the mobs and not die in 50 seconds probably

[royal lily]

How are they gonna help if ive killed them and stolen everything they have?

[marsh radish]

You don't do that, obviously

Be like me. Peaceful unless provoked 🤣

[royal lily]

Cant stop wont stop 😈😂

[marsh radish]

I did not think so 🤣

Dvergers have saved my skin so many times lol

[languid ibex]

Ah, well in that case it just makes it the same as shields that can parry, only with better stats. Really don't think that's a good idea.

[long glacier]

If there's no multiplier on block power then parrying would still make you take less damage and keep the enemy in front of you so you can beat them up

[mint scaffold]

they save asses alot yk

but like that one guy said they die right after, especially in ashlands where they are mostly your last hope if you dont have better gear

[peak bronze]

Imagine them having the same shield bubble as you and you accidentally anger them meanwhile.

[sick breach]

Not really, as i pointed out in the suggestion, the stamina loss, movement penalty, and even the knockback itself are drawbacks to the tower shield's more impressive stats and AOE stagger. The knockback ends up as a weakness in one on one combat, as the enemy isnt in range for you to hit back during their stagger.

[oblique gyro]

Not until 1.0 at least. 🤣

[royal lily]

What are the charred last hope against me? I am the villain

[marsh radish]

#suggestions message

I'm a little confused by this. You don't have to feed them individually. You just drop a stack of seeds on the ground and they come to them. It's not all that different from how a feeding trough would work

[ashen tinsel]

@wary thunder If you didn't know you don't have to feed animals individually with standard setups. Just throw a stack of food in the same pen as them, and it won't despawn if theres a friendly structure nearby (and its above water)

[wary thunder]

@ashen tinsel Yes I knew it, but that doesn't mean I don't have to separate the seeds or fruits one by one. Actually, that's what I was referring to.
I can leave as many seeds as I want for them to eat whenever they like, but I have to separate them one by one.

Or is there another way, and are you referring to something else?

[ashen tinsel]

you dont have to separate them, just throw all 50 or so in one lump and they'll just eat one when they need to

[marsh radish]

Yeah why on earth are you separating them 😭

[wary thunder]

because, obviously, I like to suffer! OMG!!! 😖
I read in a guide a few years ago that you were supposed to separate them one by one; maybe that’s changed, or maybe they were just messing with me.
But it was a reliable source—it was Vandal.

Well, anyway, thanks and I'll delete my suggestion

[ashen tinsel]

I wouldn't mind a feeding trough but I'm pretty sure we'd see a lot more factory farming with just about any implementation.

[languid ibex]

So the stagger is just for looks because you can't capitalize in most cases, which would frustrate players surely. The stamina loss, movement penalty and other drawbacks are already standard with tower shields, so it's hardly a point against anything additional, and not a balancing element necessarily.

If the intention is to give the player options in the space created, for me it'd make more sense to give the enemy a slowing effect of some kind, like a daze for example.

[shadow crow]

#suggestions message
If left click is attack, how do you actually build anything?

[sick breach]

You cant capitalize as much, but you can still get a hit in vs the shield/buckler's parry which allows for a good 3 hits. Plus when knocking an enemy into other enemies, the other enemies DON'T get knocked back, leaving them open for full attacks. This opens up new combat mechanics, like shield bashing a greydwarf into a Troll so you can get stagger damage on the troll.

The existing penalties to Tower shields aren't balanced IMO with their advantage of higher defensive stats, which is why i was suggesting adding an additional advantage.

[sick breach]

I think their suggestion is adding a selectable Combat mode, like the Repair mode, for hammers.

[languid ibex]

Yeah, I'm just not a fan, it read like an unsuccessful way to bring stagger to Tower Shields for me.

[rose swan]

@royal lily #suggestions message
So they can’t mine ore? 👀

[royal lily]

Precisely. For progression but also I dont think it makes sense wood could break ores

And if ur really pro and want to do the lampada for ore you can still use the forsaken of the meadows

[rose swan]

Gotcha, yeah I agree! I don’t think many will agree with however
I’ve always thought it was a little cheesy that trolls can mine copper/tin. even more so that they can mine silver.

[languid ibex]

I want to lean the other way with it, find a way to befriend and direct a troll at ores. 😄

[runic plover]

I certainly have no issue of a monster of such size being able to break apart ore deposits, especially silver since it's such a weak metal.

[celest flume]

And to be fair, if you DO manage to kite a troll all the way up without it dying to mobs, you deserve some reward. Though I'm not sure why would you even do that...if you have bloodbags for mead, you can get iron for pickaxe

[lofty wave]

you don't need bloodbags for mead with enough campfires

[cursive forge]

its a big troll with a large weapon, its gonna break things lol.

[rose swan]

It’s an enormous chunk of rock with traces of copper ore, it’s gonna be tough to break 👀

Then at the very least, shouldn’t similar logic apply to golems? Should golems be able to break silver? 🤔

[lofty wave]

only if they damage themselves too

[cursive forge]

this boils down to "my fantasy game where I fight mystical creatures and travel through portals is not realistic enough"

[lofty wave]

I'd be happy for trolls to not mine silver to make skipping swamps a little harder but I think mining copper and tin should stay

[rose swan]

Agreed, I don’t think there’s a lot to go off of in terms of realism

Personally, my stance is purely from a gameplay perspective- generally I’m opposed to most forms of progression skipping 🤔
But I can understand and respect that players sometimes enjoy such things

[rose swan]

I can get on board with this

[royal lily]

Nope

[languid ibex]

I mean, it's still a valid opinion, no need to speak reductively ultimately.

[royal lily]

Why even play the first 6 biomes look up a walkable seed to mistlands sit into a crypt use a troll and build krom as your first weapon

[mellow crater]

Well, an actually not that small community of people love to search and master exploits to hack the gameplay. This is not generally my kind of fun, but I can very well see how it is fun.

Hello to all of you btw, been a long time I didn’t interacted here

There are always the same people here, I am really happy to see you all again.

[rose swan]

Good to see ya!

[arctic wharf]

[coral rivet]

Greetings!

[rose swan]

Zion has new profile picture, looks like a wedding? 👀

[peak bronze]

Hello again. @mellow crater 👋

[royal lily]

💡Remove eikthyr a bunch of ppl like to cheese

[mellow crater]

ZionE and Joelkkii ! I am going to need some time to adapt to your new profile picture xD

[mellow crater]

This isn’t what I meant 😂

[rose swan]

Alternate route… add cheese, since a lot of people like cheese 🧀

[mellow crater]

I do think a great game is a game with a somewhat hackable gameplay, but that is still really cool when played in the intentional way. Valheim does that quite well IMO. I love fighting the Forsaken, and yet I still felt so intelligent the first time I mastered the “troll mining”

[peak bronze]

https://giphy.com/gifs/eating-cartoon-mouse-l1L2UkgpuiE4U

[mellow crater]

I think there has been a suggestion about adding cheese to DN once

[arctic wharf]

Oh, first to notice. Indeed I got married a few days ago to my partner of 5.5 years 🎉

[mellow crater]

5.5 ?

[arctic wharf]

Five and a half.

Expecting a baby girl in about five weeks now too.

Busy times.

[rose swan]

Ayyy congrats!!

[arctic wharf]

Thanks 😊

[rose swan]

My daughter is almost 6 months now, let me know if you ever need advice or words of encouragement

[arctic wharf]

Congrats as well, hope she grows up happy and healthy 🎉 🎉

[peak bronze]

Nice, busy times indeed ahead. Congrats!

[mellow crater]

Congrats and good luck with those busy times!

[arctic wharf]

Thanks thanks 🙂

[languid ibex]

@worthy moon those powers are runestone activated, and not necessarily skill based in any sense. Not exactly different that suggesting that using Wards or Portals should increase magic skill as well.

[stiff stag]

And even that aside, what good would it do anyway with how long it takes between each activation? They are also accessible long before magic weapons and magic skills are unlocked and usable, so it really doesn't make sense as an idea no matter how you look at it.

[rose swan]

You could get your elemental skill to 1, perhaps even 2. I say that’s pretty darn useful 😂

[worthy moon]

because trying to level up magic sucks when you dont get magic items until near the end of the game, the devs dont wanna give us magic weapons early game so why not level it in other ways 🤷‍♀️

but does it even need to make so much sense? its a viking game with magic wands and summoning skeletons

[peak bronze]

Magic is pretty strong even at zero skill levels and much safer playstyle than melee.

[stiff stag]

Ah yes, magic therefore who cares. Magic and fantasy don't excuse doing anything and everything, nor is it a valid argument here.

[karmic flax]

@bitter agate right click on the list on the bottom right and you'll hide the type of pin you right click

[bitter agate]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-rdj-tony-stark-gif-26776750

I hope i'm not the only one that didn't know this 🙄

[karmic flax]

you got an upvote so it seems like it 😂

[languid ibex]

Magic is balanced with the knowledge that players will be starting at skill level 0. Magic is also incredibly easy to level up should you value high skill levels.

@bitter agate You can already toggle every single marker by right clicking it's icon.

Ah sorry I didn't read above.

Seemed like it wasn't addressed as the suggestion wasn't removed. 😅

[royal lily]

Your previous suggestions made the game harder, im sorry I cant upvote this one 💔

[crimson ermine]

glad my suggestion was so decisive

wheres my smiffee downvote

[stone citrus]

eating meat should level up bloodmagic secretly

[ember nest]

We need armor plots

[fast void]

You mean like... storylines specifically involving armor?

[wintry bobcat]

Wouldn’t mind early axes not chopping Finewood, but also don’t really care

Not a fan of the other early axes nerf suggestions

[lofty field]

They're so rare, they should be this good, otherwise they're just a (disappointing) collectible. If you're almost certain to have the bronze axe before the early axes, they become basically useless imo

[lofty wave]

they can deal a lot more damage than a bronze axe

[royal lily]

Early axes are broken need nerf

[lost ibex]

yeh i waited to suggest that because not sure if i was lucky or not, but every new playthru since February got me bot heads in no time, that can happen just looking for bees

[languid ibex]

@lost ibex If your point is that they can gather finewood, what about gathering finewood makes them too powerful?

[lost ibex]

yeh my main point is finewood, and i admit i'm a bit obsessed with beauty and balance of the super early game, so ofc biased

[languid ibex]

To be fair, until early axes, I would still roll tree stumps into eachother for early finewood.

It never upset any balance for me.

[lost ibex]

my favourite soulution of my suggestion is actually the third one, axes can stay as they are, you just have to struggle and travel a bit for that huge (imo ofc) chopping bonus

[languid ibex]

That would make the "Later On Axes"

[lost ibex]

yeh, stump rolling, or troll expliting were and are still options, but a bit "extreme" and surely not intended as "regular progression", don't get me wrong enjoyed and liked a lot the idea when i saw videos of people doing that (very fun for reverse-boss runs for example)

[lofty wave]

using a troll is ok because they're from the black forest

beech trees and early axes are too early for finewood

[royal lily]

Walking the coast of meadows for flint and getting better bronze axe is op

[lost ibex]

yep, and i tried rolling, but it took so much time i'd rather go find a shipwreck

[languid ibex]

It takes no time at all, find a cluster of trees, knock them all down and smash them all together on a Birch tree. It's quite quick. 👍

[lost ibex]

heh, yep makes sense, just nevber got much into it, i still consider it somewhere between full legit and cheese, but again very personal opinion

[royal lily]

If the devs made a neutral mob called The Devil who was there to trick you into a deal you thought was good the valheim community would want to befriend it because they see a neutral mob

[languid ibex]

It can happen accidentally in large woodchopping sprees, that's how I originally discovered it, and even thought it was the intended method before discovering bronze axes.

[lost ibex]

yeh, i remember i got some finewod not knowing why in my very first playthru, must have benn that, but yeh, a table and a chair bonus over big chopping session

[languid ibex]

Yeah, access to finewood isn't exactly a problem for me, and rare weaponry should have a perk, even if it's a very minor progression shortcut.

[lost ibex]

yep i get it, i would modify the thing just a tad in fact, and wasn't really convincet to make suggestion about it... but heh, in the end is the single thing i'm really sure i'd like to be changed in Valheim so there it is

💡 downgrade the chopping tier of early axes, but make appear the text "heh, too easy" when trying to chop oaks instead of "too hard", jk ofc

[languid ibex]

Too easy to unlock a few finewood objects? 👀

It won't alter much.

[lost ibex]

yeh, as i said i'm biased but i have reason, getting some, by chance, struggle or crossing danger is a thing, getting tons before even seeing your first fir in the distance is another

[lofty field]

So were you actively looking for them or did you stumble upon them? Because I think a first time player who didn't spoil themselves would need to be pretty lucky to find both heads before they are obsolete. And that's how it should be imo

[lost ibex]

also clearing dungeons bordering meadows with pre eiktyr tier gear is totally doable, so lots of portalling (imo) before time

[languid ibex]

& luck should come with a benefit.

Otherwise it's "oh neat, anyways"

[lofty wave]

they have very high damage against enemies, that's a good benefit that doesn't skip progression

[languid ibex]

A benefit outside of standard weapon upgrades I should've said I suppose, that's why I've been using the word perk.

[lost ibex]

nope, stumbled, that's surely bound to my playstile, i usually check every corner of my starting meadow for bees, little loots, mapping mushies and berries etc, doing that after February always got me both axe heads

[lofty field]

In how many playthroughs? I tried finding them once, got one axe head and 21 bees

[languid ibex]

So you don't want to be rewarded in a unique way for being thorough?

[lofty wave]

no

There's a limit to how much players should be rewarded for getting lucky

[languid ibex]

Keep in mind you're only unlocking furniture with just finewood.

[lost ibex]

i strongly agree with Blob about this, damage of the axes is a good reward, breaking materials progression is way too much

and easy portals looting bordering b.f. dungeons

[lofty field]

And the finewood bow, which is probably the biggest advantage of getting it early

[languid ibex]

You're still going to have to dungeon run.

[lost ibex]

and anyway two minutes more resting bonus is golden, not "just", in a game stage when you have to bring campfire mats even for a little stroll in the nearness

[languid ibex]

I suppose, though that's still just in the wheelhouse of additional damage being the reward, as the axes are as well.

[lost ibex]

yep, but with dungeons bordering meadows is one of the safest things you can do in early game b.f., no trolls, no bears, no huge greydwarf groups, just keep an eye on starred skellies and run from them if encounter

oh yeh, i forgot the finewood bow

[lost ibex]

uhm, 3 mins more, i forgot avout banners

[languid ibex]

Safe, but nothing is guaranteed, any border dungeons could return zero crucial materials.

[lofty field]

I mean I agree that they are quite the boon, but I think that they should be given how lucky you need to be and they're relatively short window before they become obsolete

[lost ibex]

that's the point, no mid-blackforest materials should be guaranteed at super early meadows

[languid ibex]

Regardless, I can't be convinced it's a bad thing, so I'll leave my points as they are. New players aren't likely going to stumble upon these on the first playthrough, and if they do, it should be exciting beyond a weapon that does more damage.

[lofty field]

Exactly

[lost ibex]

and comfort 7 is much different from comfort 3 (4 if you deconstruct a campfire poi and make the log)

im from a later game point of view it's nothing, but early game is much more game changing than it appears imo, and anyway the consistency of early game balance etc.. but just repeating myself sry

yep i get it, and very not here to change people's opinions, just willing to explain reasons if asked 🤌

just to clarify, i wrote 2000 but that may be less, point is, you want the other, rarer, piece after being teased with the bronze one? have to take a deep breth and run through that scary patch of forest to get into the next meadow... very little changes

[languid ibex]

@molten ruin They aren't being kept from us, players just receive intentional building pieces so they can have the basics of newer structures with additional defensive strength. Adding every single building piece in the game would overflow the current build menu UI, and require a lot of re-tuning the UI or revamping it completely. This is a time consuming process when spanning across multiple systems/consoles, systems with differing capabilities, and resolution sizes.

I get the feeling that unless it is absolutely necessary, it will remain as it is.

[lost ibex]

yep, usually don't downvote buildpieces because i love building, but neither upvote because of this 👆

[languid ibex]

This is just balancing the acquisition for players that are aware of the Early Axes though. A player can't exactly want something they don't know exists. 🤔

[lost ibex]

uhm yep get the point, but my suggestion comes from experience (otherwise i would have done it just after the addition) i'm addicted to super early game, often do a character just to go past Eikthyr then delete, heh maybe it's a condition with a name but don't care eheh, and after 3, 4 of that kind of playthrus i always find both just because the way i explore, looking for bees and obsessing over finding marking and maybe repairing every p.oi., that's why i'm aware it's very playstyle bound, but still... axes are fine, leave them almost as they are, but toooo easy to find before even having the skin to face a proper Greydwarf no stars

and for the part "don't know they exist": yes the "teasing" in-game description of the more common bronze head is just perfect in that regard, you easily find the first, game suggest there's another... but too easy to find

[molten ruin]

I don't think we need every piece, that would certainly be overkill, but some things just feel oddly left out, specifically black marble seems like some of these pieces should have been included, I'm talking maybe a half dozen pieces, not every asset. Dvergr heads, spiked blocks, and the wedge shaped pieces are all we really need. Would make for many more build possibilities. I get why they didn't use the blue portal, but still would be nice to have a finished version, it's always nice to have options from a builders standpoint. Also don't think adding a FEW pieces would affect the game dramatically, I've played plenty of maps with build pieces aplenty with no real issues, and I'm sure there will be a bunch new build stuff added with the deep north as well

[languid ibex]

Did you just ignore the bit about the UI? I never said having the pieces causes issues with the game anywhere. 👀

Having 6 more pieces in the build slots is a lot when we're already limited.

[lost ibex]

i get the feeling, i "envy" a lot the Dverger build pieces i can't craft, and i can even repair them if i mout a stonecutter, i really wish to build them... but also i feel it's part of the game.. lots of fun repairing, extending, ihabiting and fiercely defend 'em from mobs "incidents" is lots of fun

[molten ruin]

and for the vanilla players some pieces could do with horizontal or vertical variants, not everything of course but like if I want to build a copper cage there's no horizontal piece but there is for iron.. seems silly

[molten ruin]

seems like an easy fix to just add a row?

[languid ibex]

I'm sure it does to you.

[royal lily]

i need a 1x1 or ima cri

[molten ruin]

if a modder can do it i'm sure the devs could handle it

I use sears catalog and searica's more vanilla build prefabs (or something like that) so surely it would be easy for the devs to do

[lost ibex]

just to know, language barrier probably, saying Dvergr and Dverger is like saying Dwarf and Dwarven? i remember a suggestion to change the name of Dverger Circlet but had no opinion because unknown language

[languid ibex]

Easy? Sure, time consuming and arguably needless? Also yes.

[royal lily]

ooo nice take

[lost ibex]

just guessing eh, could be typo, could be differnt spelling but both right, i only know Italian and arguably English

[molten ruin]

Yeah well I guess when it's taken them this long to even release the full game I can agree that it'd take them a long time to implement it XD but I don't think it'd be needless to have more build options when a great deal of the player base is in it for the building alone. And the stuff's there anyway so why not? But I'm sure 1.0 will give us some cool stuff anyways, and maybe we will even get some other surprises who knows? I am looking forward to drawbridges 😛

[lost ibex]

uhm, also all build pieces say "Dvergr" so probably not

[molten ruin]

I think the language thing had something to do with which team was working on stuff, something to do with the russian language I think someone mentioned

so somes tuff is labeled dverger and others dvergr

[lost ibex]

yeh so "different spelling, both right" is the most likely, wiki says it comes from Old Norse, so different renditions of alphabet are totally possible

[languid ibex]

To be clear I wasn't slighting the developers and suggesting they're slow, just communicating that their time is valuable and better spent on newer things, like drawbridges.

Such building pieces could even have niche implementation, like a Dverger Hammer that only has those extra building pieces in the already functional UI, they would just need to filter what is displayed. Not difficult, but still time taken from working on new building pieces. Outside of decorative stylized building, there is not much of a use case for all those additional objects.

[lost ibex]

uh would be that easy? im snap points of grausten had to be fixed because flawed, making it for dverger non-craftable structures sounds like a mess anyway

[molten ruin]

yes.. or just add a row to the existing UI, add half a dozen pieces and be done with it? Makes a bunch of people happy with minimal effort and little drawbacks. The heads and stuff i'm referring to all have working snap points also. I wouldn't include anything that doesn't snap properly. I build with these pieces all the time and they work fine

[languid ibex]

Difficult to say, I wouldn't want to assume the worst, but a definite possibility.

[lost ibex]

yep got it, and not really wanting it, something you can build around and repair and could be gone forever with the wrong Gjall attack is still very fascinating to me

[molten ruin]

Well as someone who builds a LOT, I would love to see more options, but as I'm on PC ultimately it affects me very little I guess

[lost ibex]

gives value to the "wilderness" of the world, like "i will just scrap the top of copper deposit too keep the landscape" or "that shipwreck is just right for my little nice f.o.b. dock, have to spawnproof and raidproof it", i love that part of the game

yeh i build a lot too, hence is surely a mixed feeling, im "i really want, would be very comfy, but some magic would be lost" dunno how to explain

[molten ruin]

or perhaps we could go a step further and have a 'full creative' mode in the world modifiers options, allowing a full list of buildables, which then keeps everything the same for regular play. More work for the devs tho lol

[lost ibex]

yep that sounds very nice, but may be a lot of work developing wise, dunno my best at programmi was making html websites with nice band logos in the early 2000s eheh

[molten ruin]

I mean I have worlds I just exclusively build in, and others I play in, so I can see the not wanting to alter the 'vanilla experience' as that's just fine the way it is

just having more options under the world modifiers menu would be nice too

[lost ibex]

yep, totally have a hammermode world, i just regret to have named it "sandbox", could be "lego set" or something more funny

[molten ruin]

it's hard hosting a server that caters to both builders and explorers, very hard to keep the balance and keep both parties happy, but also not sure how they can improve on this..

[lost ibex]

well i play mostly solo, but some 2 to 4 player happened and one being at base building and the other running around hunting and gathering was fun and looked quite balanced, still not an expert in multiplayer

[rose swan]

What’s the difficulty in this? 🤔

[runic plover]

If anything, it sounds to me like having explorers and builders is a good thing. The explorers can find places for the builders to do their thing.

[molten ruin]

I'm talking more 'creative mode' building with infinite resources to go wild with but also not ruining the experience for those that want to actually play the game on the same map

Ideally you would have 2 different servers for this but for some of us that's not an option

[stiff stag]

I'm assuming the only problem is that either everyone has creative mode abilities or no one does.

[rose swan]

Sounds like the players in the server want different experiences 🤔
They’ll have to accommodate and find middle ground- perhaps the world can have heightened resource rate, so the builders don’t have to spend as much time gathering.

If that solution doesn’t work, then the players need to decide how to tailor their experince, but I don’t think it’s up to the game to decide that for them.

Why is two separate servers not an option for some players?

[languid ibex]

I consider myself a builder in Valheim, but I love that part of the motivations to explore and progress is more things to build with. To me it feels like Valheim already does a lot to accommodate both playstyles.

[peak bronze]

Rotating black marble stairs would be the only non available building piece I'd need honestly.

[karmic flax]

that screenshot is so dark and hard to see length lol

[gray lava]

why was a melee attack mode for the hammer so thoroughly contested?

[peak bronze]

Oops, have to take new one.

[gray lava]

was it because i misidentified the secondary button?

[fast void]

Idk if you ever fully dismantle a dverger tower, but some of the massive individual wall pieces they use for the basements on those things are really good.

[coral rivet]

No, folks just didn't like the idea of it. 🤷

[gray lava]

What did you dislike about it?

sorry i just realized you left no comment

i thought i remembered you leaving a thumbdown

[coral rivet]

I did leave a down-vote.
To me, the hammer has always been just for building. It'd be like saying the Hoe needs a slap attack, or the cultivator needs a rake attack-- it just wasn't logical to me

[gray lava]

it's... a hammer.

[coral rivet]

and the scythe... is a scythe...

[lofty wave]

why would we need it? you can use a club as an early 1h blunt weapon

[gray lava]

combine both for reduced inv consumpting

[coral rivet]

Hammers hammer nails.

[gray lava]

axes chop wood

[coral rivet]

You started begging the question, I'm just playing along. I gave you my reasoning...

[gray lava]

ok.

thanks

[karmic flax]

i'd rather be able to dodge/block while holding the hammer, but what can you do

[peak bronze]

Now there is new one, should be easier to see.

[peak bronze]

I have dismantled lots of them, true dat.

[runic plover]

That is quite a long spear, yes.

[peak bronze]

Very good weapon. But little eyesore when it clips through ground.

[barren elk]

lol if they ever were to add a secondary attack for the hammer it should be a little tap on the head of the enemy with a loud bonk sound that does 1 damage

but honestly i like the hammer the way it is

[barren oasis]

The hammers a tiny wooden hammer, it'd do no damage anyway

And there would have to be a whole new key bind for the hammer to be used as a weapon. Cuz primary and secondary attack already do something

[runic plover]

From how I understood it, the attack option would be in the build menu. You select it like a build piece, but instead of placing or repairing something, it swings.

[royal lily]

Yeah i wanna bonk greydonks w my hammer ngl

BEGONE, EVILDOERS! DOINK

[gray lava]

no you just attack with primary and reopen menu with secondary

mavros got it right

[barren oasis]

Oh that'd be clunky

At that point it'd just be faster to switch to a real weapon. I just don't see any benefits to adding the option

[royal lily]

Ummm have you heard of fun???

[barren oasis]

Doesn't sound fun

[royal lily]

Objectively false

[barren oasis]

Nothing objective about me saying I wouldn't find it fun

[gray lava]

the point is to switch to that before you start fighting

[barren oasis]

Would it be good? I thought it was just supposed to be to get a little knockback on an enemy that jumps you. it definitely shouldn't be meant to actually be used for a whole combat

Its so tiny it shouldn't do any damage.

[gray lava]

i think there's a history to tiny clubs used for easy carry combat weapons, but admittedly it is just meant to be an alternative to the club and stone axe

[gray lava]

it wouldnt be a main weapon by any means no, just a quick burial crypt clearer while you're waiting to craft another weapon

[stiff stag]

Just sounds like a terrible idea for no good reason when the building hammer isn't meant for combat by design to begin with. Just weird to even want it for that use or to be so fixated on it.

[royal lily]

I cant bonk🗣

[gray lava]

i think the actual best reason not to turn the hammer into a weapon is a new player will turn on weapon mode and not remember how to turn build mode back on

especially with it mapped to mouse 3

[stiff stag]

The best reason not to is that it's a build hammer by design, not a combat hammer (if you want hammers designed for combat then those already exist).

[runic plover]

Counter point to this in particular, an empty hand does damage. No reason a hammer couldn't.

[coral rivet]

Not everything that could do damage should. Facetiously:
add rake attack to the cultivator
add slice attack to the scythe
add bludgeon attack to the hoe
add shield bash attack to shields
add whip attack to chain
add throw attack to stone

[runic plover]

I'm not saying the function should be added, just saying a hammer can hurt stuff if a fist can. Regarding your list, however, I would actually like throwing rocks as a start-of-game ranged option. Physics and animations for throwing stuff already exists, as well as a thrown rock projectile, so it doesn't sound like it would be hard to add.

[coral rivet]

You're missing the point. You were replying to a comment that said it shouldn't do damage, your counterpoint claiming that it could.
Of course any tool could do damage.

[runic plover]

Fair enough.

[stiff stag]

I feel like throwing rocks would be better suited as a way to distract enemies or draw them away from you rather than as a weapon that damages them. Would add another stealth option to the game.

[arctic wharf]

Make it deal 1 damage, and then some lunatic can do a I beat valheim with only rocks playthrough

[brave turret]

Add a drawbridge

[languid ibex]

#news They are

[brave turret]

Oh alr

[fast void]

Keep throwing rocks out. Save for when we get Egyptian version and bring slings to the modern age 👀

[marsh radish]

#suggestions message

I want a flat trapdoor or hatch build peice SOO bad.

[royal lily]

Ive been thinking no map needs a way for you to make your own map bc its impossible to remember everything in your head and you end up making your own anyway id love for the artists of the game be able to make nice maps with minimum tools like they do with building

[karmic flax]

https://tenor.com/view/harvey-beaks-kratz-princess-pencil-drawing-gif-11585282669422682555

[glad cargo]

You can draw on a piece of paper

[languid ibex]

https://www.reddit.com/r/valheim/comments/1pxq6pp/meadows_hand_drawn_map/

[stiff stag]

It isn't "no map" anymore if you have a map of any kind, that would be a different/separate mode.

[ember lily]

You could make the map thing a slider for that

[rose swan]

#suggestions message Would be better than seals

[arctic wharf]

[wanton atlas]

https://giphy.com/gifs/SappySeals-dance-dancing-floss-CxhWJeIicfOEynsEn6

those who get it, will understand dark humor

[royal lily]

That is actually what I think about, however whether you draw a map with pencil, ms paint, chat gpt, NoMapPrinter, or have a mental image, you're still developing a map. If the intent is to not be able to transcribe any of your journey, then that would be a trust based system up to the players (how r u gonna police no drawing w a pencil). The purely no map experience without any of it is fun and different, as is making your own map, as is having a map

[royal lily]

This is what im saying, if u can draw on paper etc it would be nice to have an option for artists in game

[stiff stag]

The point is that there's intentionally nothing in game to support making a map in no map mode, otherwise it wouldn't be called no map mode.

[rose swan]

Aside from that, I also think such a feature that allows you to make map would be bit too niche. I think no-map is a really cool game mode, but I think in reality it’s an extremely small portion of players that play that way.

[royal lily]

This is true

[rose swan]

#suggestions message Last thing Hildir needs is more clutter in her inventory

[wanton atlas]

But everyone wants all the options.

And then complain about clutter when they get more options 🤔

[spiral ice]

It's only clutter because it's not intuitively sorted nor filterable. I don't think people would be complaining about clutter if it were easy to find what you're looking for in a long list.

[karmic flax]

@forest vector ships act as if theyre anchored if no one is aboard already

[forest vector]

Well yeah... But you could use the anchor as a neat set piece?

[languid ibex]

So you want an anchor to just be sitting on the boat, never to be used?

[forest vector]

I would mostly like it as a set piece but also to have some kind of function.

Up until this conversation I didn't know that boats would Auto stop if you hopped out. I've been beaching them this whole time

[runic plover]

Even with that knowledge, I still beach my ships to this day. Don't need water fluctuations carrying them away from shore.

[languid ibex]

Funnily enough, I've only ever had boats drift from shore when they are touching the land.

If I hop out just before they touch land, they'll never move.

[runic plover]

Old habit from when I first started playing.

[karmic flax]

Yeah water by itself wont move them

Water knocking it into ground will move them

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message as much as I would love more snap point options, the impact on performance is what ultimately limits how many there are and how many there will be.

[ember lily]

I think bears are too strong to be tamed

[copper lily]

Hello. I’ve posted this with the aim of avoiding repetition when proposing ideas or comments. It’s not just for the devs; it’s also for us, so we can keep track of how many people are interested in the ideas we propose. https://www.reddit.com/r/valheim/comments/1tb1l98/should_we_make_a_community_feedback_2026_post/ What do you think? Does it make sense?

[safe dove]

I would be for this

[shadow crow]

#suggestions message
A large round stone table with a world map in the middle. Cartography table upgrade?

[rose swan]

If I’m understanding right, Irongate internally tracks suggestion-related feedback 🤔

[languid ibex]

Repeating a suggestion is just another way of adding an upvote to the original suggestion to me. There's no harm in people giving their own take on the idea.

There would likely be more value in tallying generalized suggestions in an excel sheet, where similar suggestions add to two different counts, upvotes and times suggested.

[copper lily]

Yes, but when voting on the main idea, the #suggestions channel is full of "already suggested" messages.

[languid ibex]

This isn't a bad thing.

Are you assuming it's a negative response?

Nothing wrong with seeing that others have had the same thoughts.

[karmic flax]

Besides that option stops people from downvoting something just cause its been done before

[copper lily]

So if, for example, on servers-and-lfg, posts were made where you could sort them by upvotes like on Reddit, the most suggested ideas would be taken into account and repetitions would be avoided since, if for example "tamed bears" has already been commented on, another post shouldn't be created and you would leave your detail or comment to also be voted on.

[rose swan]

That brings it back to square one though 🤔
I don’t think it’s a bad idea necessarily, more just like a preference of implementation.

Personally, it seems to me like the current suggestion method works. We’ve seen suggestions taken into consideration and sometimes implemented. Is it a perfect system? No, but it’s working, I’d say.

[copper lily]

I don't mean to attack anyone with this concept or idea; I just wanted to share it because there are two conditions that I would be interested in seeing, and others might be interested in knowing about them too...

[languid ibex]

They don't need to be taken into account, and if anything, discouraging posting similar ideas could stop someone from posing a new unique way of doing it, possibly informed by newer content not previously available when the suggestion with high votes was posted.

[karmic flax]

Like i said in the other channel, it wouldnt solve anything, and duplicates arent a problem

[copper lily]

Perhaps it's just my own need, but... I'm not trying to dismiss similar ideas; I'm trying to package and focus them, to have a clearer idea or concept regarding feedback, and then have new, similar ideas discussed around that feedback. This way, I'll have a clearer understanding of the level of interest and avoid repeating the same idea over time. And new content wouldn't be a problem because it can be organized by date or by updates.

[copper lily]

And I agree, it's not a necessity, I just wanted to mention it because of the concept of having a more concentrated vote.

[rose swan]

I see where you’re coming from! Totally get the idea, and I don’t think you’re attacking or offending anyone.

As a serial user of the suggestions channel, if you’re really looking to get some traction, the best thing you can do is have a discussion.

[wanton atlas]

What would be the point of posting on reddit when we read discord daily?

And the up/down votes is mostly for users to give feedback to ideas without having discussions in the suggestion chat. If we think something is cool, and it has dow votes. We add it anyway because we developers thinks it cool

[copper lily]

The main goal isn't to do it on Reddit, but rather to gauge how many people are interested in the same idea without repeating similar posts or ideas that could be added as comments on the same post. This way, we can determine the level of interest while maintaining a "clean" vote.

[fast void]

I mean, he did just say the devs don't care how many people are interested vs not interested.

[shadow crow]

peeks in on lunch break this is still going, huh?

[rose swan]

Hey! I’m on lunch too

[stiff stag]

That makes 3 of us.

[crimson ermine]

You forgot to downvote my fire bolts “idea”

[copper lily]

Instead of having this:

4 posts or comments with: "Tamed bears" (3 votes), "Tame bears with honey" (5 votes), "Tame bears having done X..." (8 votes)

This could be it:

-- 1 post: "Tame bears having done X..." (8 votes) total votes 16.
Comment: "Tame bears with honey" (5 votes)
Comment: "Tame bears" (3 votes)

And the order or implied title doesn't matter as long as the topic is the same, like:

-- 1 post: "Tame bears with honey" (5 votes) total votes 16.
Comment: "Tame bears having done X..." (8 votes)
Comment: "Tame bears" (3 votes)

[copper lily]

It wasn't 100% intentional for the devs either; I'm interested in knowing what things have been proposed and which ones have been the most interesting for others.

[fast void]

Why?
Playerbase has no say in what gets added. Devs look at what they find cool and add it.
We could all unanimously find something cool and if they don't like it their response will be "mod it if you want it."

So us knowing how many other people agree with us is... largely pointless.

[fast void]

And this is exactly as it should be imo.

[copper lily]

But did you read the post? I mentioned that it's just a tracking and that it was more of a community thing than anything else, besides the fact that I've said it here #suggestion-discussion message

[fast void]

More of a community thing.
Interested in knowing what is most interesting for others.
Determine a level of interest from others.

Reroute to my latest reply:
Why?

If none of it matters.
Why?

[copper lily]

What's wrong with it?

Not everyone is bad or has inappropriate taste; it's like having a brainstorming session, and if someone proposes idea X and the others are interested, there's a common goal.

[shadow crow]

We’re not the ones making these choices. Our involvement is 100% a courtesy extended by the devs without expectation

[crimson ermine]

Our only expectation is to play the game. A lot

And i will happily play a lot

[peak bronze]

Why fire bolts? Explosive bolts to give crossbows little advance over bows which would be AoE.

[crimson ermine]

Fire bolts light enemies on fire which can let you track them easily in the dark

I keep fire ammo at all times for that reason

Explosive would be cool also

[shadow crow]

Having a mod that does just that, explosive bolts are indeed cool!

EpicLoot Arbalest with triple shot, explosive shot. Thing’s a damn railgun!

[crimson ermine]

Ever tried ascended armory?

[shadow crow]

I haven’t

[crimson ermine]

Its made by the goat catharis. I recommend

[languid ibex]

There would likely be more value in tallying generalized suggestions in an excel sheet, where similar suggestions add to two different counts, upvotes and times suggested.
Maintaining an excel sheet that benefits the community isn't new, and are even pinned in relevant channels. I think this would be closer to what you're trying to achieve, without potentially splitting/hindering suggestions made.

[shadow crow]

EL already plays jump rope with the line between “gameplay as intended” and “too much”

[copper lily]

Thanks for the help

[languid ibex]

No problem, you can easily tally suggestions in this channel utilizing the "Bookmark Message" function, allowing you to pick up where you left off quite easily.

I utilized this in the suggestion channel for my own game, and it really did offer a bit more perspective on what's being suggested.

It also helped put all my suggestion information into one place, as we also had a forum that was packed with suggestions.

Heck, there may even be a degree of automation possible utilizing AI, I know they're very handy for formatting large amounts of information.

Good emoji association @crimson ermine 👏 I did mention AI.

[crimson ermine]

Yes indeed

[rose swan]

Bookmark message feature? 🤔

[wanton atlas]

I don't have any opinion on it and don't remember it ever being suggested before 🤔

[wanton atlas]

Alot of work for nothing. People just spit ball ideas daily

People join, post the same ideas as before and that's it.

[crimson ermine]

Im surprised i had a maybe original idea

[runic plover]

First thing that came to mind when I saw "fire bolts" was magic. Probably because of D&D. Didn't even know it was about crossbows until now. Elemental crossbow ammo would be nice.

[crimson ermine]

Well fire, poison, frost, spirit arrows exist, so why not bolts?

[karmic flax]

Well firebolt specifically is another word for fireball in other things

[shadow crow]

Firebolt is a personalized message of death. Fireball is addressed “to whom it may concern.”

[pliant sorrel]

Whenever I play the game I get I would think of good ideas to suggest but the day I decide to come onto the server, it seems that those ideas have just ceased to exist 🫩🫩

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message why only atgeirs

[rose swan]

#suggestions message
Players already do this a lot, even without a dedicated build piece 🤔

[karmic flax]

Yeah ive seen people stack stools to simulate the racks

[languid ibex]

Yeah, so if you were to start at the top of this channel, and begin inputting suggestion data into a spreadsheet, you can bookmark a message by right-clicking it and return to that point whenever you like.

[marsh radish]

Where is this button hidden? 👀

[marsh radish]

Dang, I don't have some of those 😭

[languid ibex]

That's strange, maybe a little google help you toggle it on? I can't recall if I did anything.

@old tiger Always wanted a Bukeperry bush, maybe the mountains could have that!

[hoary mortar]

o can u place them sideways?

[marsh radish]

Oh so apparently it's a Discord Nitro feature, that makes more sense

[languid ibex]

Oh wow, I didn't know, I'll suggest that feature with that caveat in mind.

[languid ibex]

Is this leading to a suggestion of some kind?

[safe dove]

Not really, maybe for a mod.

[rose swan]

Could’ve cured our own squirrel hamstrings, we’ve been robbed 😭

Jokes aside, personally I’m a huge fan of the witch! I think there’s plenty to forage for, but not nearly enough to explore for. The witch helps the exploration front imo.

[languid ibex]

Ah, well in that case

[safe dove]

Ah, yeah, you're right. Moving it to general.

[sacred kernel]

Imagine if valheim added manual breathing…

[gray lava]

@royal lily not even you like the idea of bribe-able dvergers 😢

[stiff stag]

It's been stated many, many times that such a thing doesn't fit their intended design, behavior, and temperament. It's essentially suggesting to change the very nature of dvergr into something they are not.

Not to mention it's abusable and just plain silly to expect to be able to bribe them to get away with murdering or harming their kin, or damaging/destroying their buildings. If it's meant for situations where you accidentally cause a small bit of damage, then the lesson there is to be more careful around them and make sure it doesn't happen again.

[royal lily]

A beautiful viking would not let their brothers and sisters be prey 😈

[gray lava]

i'd forgotten, man

[rose swan]

@tiny idol
#suggestions message
Wind is pre determined in every world, but besides that a skill affecting the wind would be a bit strange. Also would be difficult to implement in multiplayer. 🤔

With that being said, if such a skill were to exist, it would make more sense to have a wider window of wind advantage and/or increased speed to reflect the sailors better understanding of operating a ship as the skill grows.

[tiny idol]

Just spitballing I'm not a game doctor 🤷‍♂️

[rose swan]

Totally get it! I’m not either, far from
Just wanted to give a little insight is all

[rose swan]

#suggestions message
My gate has never been damaged by Eitr 🤔

[coral rivet]

@eager trench dont the gates never go below 50% hp?

[eager trench]

ill check and see,

[rose swan]

#suggestions message Had me until kraken

[arctic wharf]

Gets me every time also haha

[coral rivet]

@barren elk #suggestions message
The reason the crops should still drop their parts when damaged by a weapon is because the Fulings and other mobs in the villages can do damage to them when aiming at the player or other faction mobs. You wouldn't want those crops to be fully/partially lost due to an enemy destroying them before you could actually reach them, effectively

[ashen tinsel]

Huh, thought it was because those were silly tedious to harvest in useful quantities, and the scythe is still relatively recent. Considering we only need one of each to build up a crop (and we find them in chests) making npcs destroy the crops I think would be an interesting barrier to overcome.

[barren elk]

oh right i forgot that

[lofty field]

Iron gates (and other iron cage parts) are not damaged by eitr, but they are damaged by rain

[wanton atlas]

@tiny idol going faster in boats is a bad idea since you will start to lag and / or have issues loading in chunks fast enough

[spiral ice]

@final summit #suggestions message
I don't think we need a second type of berry in the Deep North. Lingonberries will already be there. Also, meat generally goes towards HP food, while plants usually go towards stamina food, so the recipes are a little off in terms of game consistency.

[final summit]

i see, i didnt really read those parts of the dev notes, or any notes for that matter, apologies for the ignorance

[pliant sorrel]

I personally already like sailing as is a skill would be useless in my opinion, it’s already a great mix of going very fast or really slow, its one of the things that make exploring fun ❤️‍🩹

[eager trench]

My iron gates keep getting damaged by something at my plains base, and it didn’t rain. Idk what’s doing it then, the base is spawn proof so it can’t be fulings

I’ll send a video of the design at some point to see if we can narrow down what is doing it

[supple grove]

I never thought of putting an iron cage around an eiter refinery. I've always built a marble tomb to put them in. Cages sound like a much more efficient idea. I guess the marble is good because it protects them from rain.

[lofty field]

The dverger walls (copper walls) also work. You can put copper/iron walls on the sides and marble on top to protect them from the rain

[languid ibex]

I like a raised refinery tower so the eitr can shoot off and be free like fireworks.

[royal lily]

Dumb question, but are there asksvin running around your refinery

[pliant sorrel]

Can someone give me their ideas and thoughts on my last suggestion? It doesn’t seem to be the most popular and wanna know what others think

[analog moss]

How do you make a distinction as to what should be multiplied? Easier just to toss the extras in the obliterator.

[royal lily]

I voted up, multipliers are way too much imo if you wanna play the game, and if u wanna build i feel like u could just spawn stuff in

[spiral ice]

Basically what RudeMann87 said. I could see having a few categories like "natural drops," "creature drops," "metals," "foods," etc., but that doesn't seem necessary (again because of the Thor-powered trash can).

[pliant sorrel]

There’d be a seperate box that opens up, it shows a bunch of resources and you’d find a specific one to set it lower. AND the issue isn’t the fact that it’s excess, you’d have a bunch if surtling cores, black cores, you’d get a bunch of furnaces and kilns + black forges, anything along the lines of that in a snap of a finger

I do want to have more resources from trees, rocks ores, and farm per say so I can handle the large amount of players, or even if I feel like playing alone.

[royal lily]

"U got 6 fuling totems from one village, throw 4 into the trash" eh

[pliant sorrel]

It’s just not rightt : (

[karmic flax]

It goes into the storage

[pliant sorrel]

If i have it already no way i’m just throwing it out it’s just -a weird feeling to say the least

[analog moss]

So does the resource modifier work on stuff like that? If you pick up a surtling core from a stand in the dungeon, you get 2?

[pliant sorrel]

Yep, it applies to everything

So instead of exploring and having fun i get 20 surtling cores from one bad burial chamber, over exaggerating but you get the gist.

[royal lily]

Its a cool feature minus progression lockers like surtlings or boss spawn items (minus sealbreaker). One dragon egg nest and you can summon moder

[pliant sorrel]

I don’t go through 5 chambers having fun and exploring i just rush through one or two and call it a day

[pliant sorrel]

This too lmao you’re picking up 2-3 eggs per pick up

[analog moss]

Seems like a lot of work for the devs to code it though, since you already adjusted a specific modifier to gain extra resources in the first place.

[karmic flax]

If its a filter list its gonna be sooo long. If its categories its gonna be difficult to find what you mean, and maybe you want more of some things in a category but not all

[pliant sorrel]

Yeah i can imagine 😭

BUT! It doesn’t have to be a feature that’s set up for everyone, if you feel like it, there could be a built in command, which is a bit more raw, and correct me if im wrong, easier to put it into game(coding wise)

[karmic flax]

Besides is that something you wsnt them to spend dev time on, when we have options such as:
Obliterator
Storage
Not picking up any more of that item

[pliant sorrel]

I personally would like them to definitely code it in, but that’s entirely up to them and i’m fine by any of their decisions, but to me it seems a bit weird just leaving something behind just because i want to explore more, its given to me already, and when i mean excess, i mean i can build way too much furnaces and kilns, i can build 4 of each (furn/kiln) and in the end i can obliterate 10 dungeons worth of cores.

[analog moss]

or you could set resource drops to normal and just explore. Increase your pickaxe/chop/weapon skill as you do so.

[pliant sorrel]

It’s not exactly the same issue of having 5 chests worth of stones but more like - i feel weird having so many of this specific item and didn’t go through the proper grind to achieve it

[pliant sorrel]

I mean I guess lmao i was thinking about this

I’ll probably do this when i get into mistylandy because its the most easy option rn

[analog moss]

I hear what you're saying. When you first get into BF , you're constantly building and destroying kilns and smelters until you get enough cores.

same happens in ML.

[pliant sorrel]

But still then there’d be those resources I want in that time frame to be multiplied, but tbf, i think i can figure out a method to prevent large overdose of black cores and surtling

[pliant sorrel]

Yes definitely lol, and honestly this is what i enjoy, its that back and forth process grind and exploration to actually achieve what i want

[barren elk]

youve been hacked

we know

[pliant sorrel]

But now i went into 2-3 chambers and came out with 34-50 cores or something.. crazy 😬

[barren elk]

dont click any weird links and equip 2fa

[royal lily]

It is kind of weird if, I assume correctly, multipliers are for people who are having trouble / just like to build. The multiplier on boss items throws an already slow paced or inexperienced player further into the game

[pliant sorrel]

Yes definitely, and I have 3x resources because I’m playing with 5 people 😭 (me included) so it’s kind of a necessity. Except those damn

[analog moss]

I thought it was more useful for multiplayer games, espcially where everyone's competing for valuable resources like cores.

[royal lily]

Oo good point I never thought of that you two

[pliant sorrel]

Not all people compete, depends on your server

[royal lily]

Ya i have been on both. Ppl solo building and community focused. Both ways I can see

[pliant sorrel]

Plus a wide variety of choices to affect multiplier with would still be amazing tbh, but it would probably take devs a lot of time, as not a coder myself i don’t know how difficult this would be. But like I said earlier, maybe a command that affects multiplier, where you have an option/range of 0.5x-3x, as such there are commands already that affect regen and similar stuff

[royal lily]

Ya I have no idea what goes into doing it and it wouldnt be on my top 5 things to address but I do like the idea a lot

[spiral ice]

I'd just fight Yagluth again. 😂

[royal lily]

Haha yeah, the drops go greatly on item stands, same w all the bosses XD

[pliant sorrel]

Awesome sauce : )

[royal lily]

#suggestions message Alternatively, he drops something to revere, like a freed spirit or a noble crown, since he is an homage not a forsaken

[languid ibex]

It is when you set it up that way 🤷

[crimson ermine]

I didnt know valheim did a minecraft crossover

#suggestions message

[karmic flax]

Which one are you referring to?

[crimson ermine]

Iron golem

[karmic flax]

Thanks lol

No idea why i did that. Certainly didnt get it from minecraft

[peak bronze]

Iron deficit?

[karmic flax]

Probably

[pliant sorrel]

Yeah ikwym it’s just that it brings up great positives and its own negatives but atp i think i’ll just disable it for the time being ❤️‍🩹

[languid ibex]

If the negatives are excess materials, can you not just turn that into coal?

[pliant sorrel]

Noooo, when I meant excess, i probably could’ve used a better word, but it becomes too much too quickly, as in i get enough (cores for example) super quickly and plop down 4 furnaces and kilns with a bunch left, if i have useless large amounts of rocks or wood, i’d turn em into coal, surtling cores maintain their usefulness but its more about how in a snap of a finger it becomes too much for a period of time

And it takes away that grind

[pliant sorrel]

Not for all items ofcourse

[stiff stag]

That's entirely a you problem though, lacking the self control to limit how much of the extra materials you choose to use and choosing not to dispose of the excess when you're willingly playing with a modifier that increases resource amounts.

[languid ibex]

What you're describing is an excess by definition.

[rose swan]

#suggestions message
been awhile! 🐴

[pliant sorrel]

Well at this point i guess but it’s only for a bit because surtling cores will get their use later on with the 20+ portals you’ll have placed down, i’m more focused on how quickly you get them and how easily since I’m missing out the exploration of chambers

[karmic flax]

Since 11th of april

[pliant sorrel]

Maybe if the horse people keep trying they’ll rack up enough likes and smiffe will give in 👀👀👀👀

[rose swan]

The interesting thing about the horse suggestion, is that despite being suggested fairly often… the horse community doesn’t often share an in-depth analysis on why they should be added 🤔
Unless I missed it of course lol

[karmic flax]

They cant stay focused, they just keep horsing around

[pliant sorrel]

Oh no you’re definitely right i never see explanations

[pliant sorrel]

Tom.. no more foolery

[wanton atlas]

this is just as unlikly as adding the death star into the game

you can technically use a mount in 2-3 out of all biomes in the game

hence it's just a big no to horses

[pliant sorrel]

A deathstar would be nice 😂

[pliant sorrel]

To be fair they just wouldn’t fit either, obv

[languid ibex]

Literally everything you mount will just wander off when you unmount it, I'm surprised the suggestions don't start with addressing that before wanting more mounts.

[marsh radish]

There have been plenty of suggestions for being able to tie up your mount to like a hitching post

[wanton atlas]

https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-movie-star-wars-xT9DPr4VjeCgeiLoMo

[pliant sorrel]

I love star wars

[shadow crow]

We have a Death Star. It’s just a little smaller and a lot trumpetier. 🎈🎺

[karmic flax]

"I want a rope to tie down the ships that dont move on their own, but not for the tames that move on their own"

[languid ibex]

I never said there wasn't, I'm saying I'm surprised that's not what is being suggested before additional mounts are ever considered.

[crimson dock]

what about if tiers of pickaxe had depth tiers

[rose swan]

Like the stronger the pickaxe, the further it can dig? 🤔
I imagine the current terrain doesn’t allow for much further depth, if I were to guess.

[crimson dock]

Wondering on how possible it would be to add an addition tier that allows for what 20-25% more depth

But yeah say antler pickaxe is 75% of current, the metal pickaxes are 100% with a final tier in deep north that allows 125% of current

[long anvil]

i seem to recall a similarly hard stance about teleportation, but an option has since been given to adjust how that works

i suppose it might seem novel or appropriately tactile enough to drag things into your inventory and force active space management with your chests, but the game is also available to console players and there is an objective disparity between how that plays out for KBM vs controller

also i dont really get the shade at generalized modern science fiction games, maybe im just not familiar with what youre referencing

[stiff stag]

At this time it's still a no from the developers regardless and that's all you or anyone else needs to be concerned with. You also responded to a message from 19 days ago which is a bit odd.

[long anvil]

who are you

[stiff stag]

Why does that matter? I can ask the same of you.

[long anvil]

why does it matter who i responded to and when? did i do something wrong?

[stiff stag]

All I said is that it was a bit odd.

[rose swan]

The way I interpret it is, Irongate wants Valheim to feel smaller scaled and a little more cozy than not. The friction of having to manage your inventory adds to the immersion.

Players aren’t actually crafting all that much, compared to similar games in the survival-craft genre.

Im just an average Valheim player and gaming enthusiast, probably much like yourself

It’s the same reason you plant crops 1 by 1, wait X amount of time for mead to brew instead of just crafting it. Caps on smelters/kilns.

it’s about being a part of the work, something just a little more than menus, spreadsheets, and numbers. Not throwing shade at other games, and if players enjoy that, that’s totally fine. Different strokes for different folks.

[long anvil]

thats true that we're not actually crafting much, but i think valheim's positive friction largely presents in the form of things like needing ample space for an upgraded crafting station, waiting for things to brew, grow, etc. - things that indirectly or directly encourage exploring because otherwise you're doing nothing

i think theres merit to the idea that walking to a chest and opening it to get at whats inside is more immersive than crafting from a nearby chest, but again so are the teleportation limitations, which we've since gotten an option on

obviously you could just take the stance that you can use mods if you prefer, but you could have taken that stance on the aforementioned teleportation limitations as well, so we're in this strange area where smiffe's response doesnt match up with reality well for me

or, i guess, it feels like a bizarre arbitration of where this line is drawn and like i shouldnt believe itll remain here

[stiff stag]

Just because an option is added for one thing doesn't mean it's valid to do so for whatever else, nor does an option for one feature invalid their reasons for not wanting an entirely different and unrelated feature added. Also, portal mechanics are already part of the game and simple enough to create a slider for, crafting from chests is an entirely new system they would have to implement from scratch, one they don't want in the game period, as an option or otherwise. And obviously they can change their mind at any point, but that's entirely up to their own discretion and not for anyone but them to decide. As it stands their current answer and decision is still a strict "no", so that's all there is to it.

[long anvil]

yeah, you said that earlier

[vital berry]

Frankly, shutting down a conversation because "they already said no" is a weird take.
The more conversations go on, the more plausible a certain perspective could sway someone in another direction: for example, portal mechanics and "simply introducing a slider" for ores.

As for the "make from scratch", we already have workbenches and the radius that comes with it. They could probably pull from that area but I'm not a programmer so who knows.

[long anvil]

unsure of the work involved, i know there is a mod for it but i havent personally messed with it

[vital berry]

Neither, but it has been a rather long time since I've actually played.

[rose swan]

On the teleportation option, I think it’s different because it’s a modifier (with the exception of the stone portal, of course). I feel like a ‘craft from chest’ world option would be a bit strange 🤔

On mods, I agree that there’s not a lot to discuss there since modded gameplay has the potential to change the entire experience/structure of the game. Mods are also not accessible to entire player bases.

On Smiffe, remember that he’s just one guy. A dev, sure, but his stance has changed on things in the past. there’s been times ||🐻 🐻 🐻 || where his stance has changed considerably, as well.

[long anvil]

I kinda get what you mean with it being strange but in fairness, I still kinda feel that way about the teleportation options. It feels out of place, a bit? It's hard to give a rational reason why, though.

[rose swan]

My personal viewpoint on portals and teleportation is… a bit unpopular
There was a lot of players that felt the portals were a bit strict, so it definitely appears that Irongate listened and settled on the solution we have today. Which I think was a good decision, really, and it made a lot of players happy.

What feels out of place? 🤔

[long anvil]

Just it being there as a world option. Maybe it's just that I played so much prior to that option. Like, feels weird just because it's transformative to the experience of making a new world, which I really don't do that often to begin with.

I don't feel too strongly one way or another on whether it was the right call. I'll always play with teleportation restrictions as they were on Steam launch, and I think the game suffers from setting it any other way, but I'm not the type to police how others play.

[rose swan]

Ahh gotcha, thanks for clarifying! I’m pretty used to world modifiers at this point. I keep portals as intended personally, I believe the restrictions are interesting to navigate.

As far as the whole ‘programming feasibility’ thing goes, I have no clue and won’t pretend that I have any idea how difficult such a feature would be to implement

[coral rivet]

@proper sequoia Two-handed axes exist.

[proper sequoia]

two handed axes are about as useless as they get and have no real reason to use them unlike dual handed axes

Two handed weapons in general besides the atgeir are all pretty weak

[coral rivet]

Two-handed axes are amazing, and you should give them more credit.

[languid ibex]

Don't talk to me or my son ever again.

walks away offended with my 2H axe child

[spiral ice]

I thought the same until I did a play through with almost exclusively axes. Then I realized that battleaxes are actually totally amazing. High damage and stagger, and amazing for standing your ground.

[proper sequoia]

they take too long to kill anything compared to a one handed weapon and are bad against strong targets

[languid ibex]

I take too long to kill anything with 2h axes, and I'm bad against strong targets with them.
(fixed it for you 👍)

[proper sequoia]

A sword and a parry kills much faster than battleaxes

[coral rivet]

An axe parry or special into slash can compete quite well, even taking less time in some scenarios.

[proper sequoia]

The parry is the problem, once you encounter 1 starred brutes like Seeker Soldiers or Warriors or even regular 2 star stuff it becomes impossible to parry them wihtout a shield or specificaly a buckler

[languid ibex]

This has not been my experience with them at all, they're a damage focused weapon that sacrifice defense for higher DPS, but also have a stagger building+crowd control element in their secondary.

[proper sequoia]

Exactly the focuse on high dps allowing you to kills things faster

I never said it was safer, just faster

[languid ibex]

Yeah, you said they kill things slower...

[coral rivet]

Just because a strong weapon is slower, and doesn't align with your personal method of playing, doesn't make it useless.

[proper sequoia]

Oh i thought you were talking about the sword mb

By the time you start your attack with a battleaxe the sword probably already killed the target

[quiet marsh]

yall should hop into a world and turn on friendly fire and 1v1. One with sword one with battle axe and see who wins

[proper sequoia]

Well you are right, it's not useless, it's just other weapons are more usefull, that's how I should have said it

[languid ibex]

Sword & shield is more standard, but 2h Axes have always outpaced swords in my experience.

[languid ibex]

The argument isn't who's better though.

[quiet marsh]

Never said it was

[proper sequoia]

2h axes would have been teh standard if they were better in the first place

[quiet marsh]

just said yall should do it

[languid ibex]

Well, that'd prove very little, statistics are key here.

[proper sequoia]

If we fought a warrior, seeker soldier or even a fuling berserker, I would kill them much faster than someone with a battle axe

[quiet marsh]

not trying to prove any of it, its clearly on play style on who prefers which weapon

[languid ibex]

Standard as in the safe neutral ground, where 2h axes are less safe in execution for higher damage output.

[proper sequoia]

I could kill a seeker soldier in 10 seconds with a sword and I don't htink you could do that with a battleaxe

[languid ibex]

It's really not, dps is easily measured outside of styles.

[languid ibex]

You'd be so surprised.

[quiet marsh]

you clearly stand still when you use a 2h axe

[proper sequoia]

in a 1v1 situation especially the sword will always outperform a battleaxe

this is just simple facts as the secondary after a parry of the sword is the strongest in the game

with 3x damage

[languid ibex]

That's really not true, try getting poked backwards by a battleaxe and having nothing reach for the whole fight. 😅

[proper sequoia]

Like I said, the sword is faster, not that is safer

Parrying and hitting is much faster than anything else

[languid ibex]

It's not faster, you can beat out a sword's first swing timing with a battleaxe secondary, allowing you to read and push your opponent endlessly.

(in a 1v1 of course)

[proper sequoia]

Go kill a seeker soldier in less than 10 seconds rn and than come talk to me

without hitting it's weakness

If it's much better in a 1v1

[languid ibex]

I'm not sure where the metric came from but I'll do no such thing until you set the standard with some sort of video clip.

[proper sequoia]

alr bet, ill send you a video of me killing a soldier in exactl 10 seconds

with a sword and not targetting it's weakness

[languid ibex]

I look forward to it

[proper sequoia]

which chanel do i send vidoes to in this server?

[quiet marsh]

so lets just use black metal sword vs black metal 2h battle axe. The sword combo gos roughly 2.46 seconds all together for 452 damage. the battel axe combo is roughly 3.2 seconds for 512 damage. (This is them both maxed out) The swords dps is roughyl 184, while the battle axe is roughly 160. so all together the sword will do roughly 30% more damage over the battle axe in combo. But when it comes to fighting off more than one opponent the battle axe in my opinion is better since it has way more clearing

[coral rivet]

#memes-and-clips

[quiet marsh]

btw out of the battle axes 3.2 sec combo the first swing is roughly 1.5 seconds.

[languid ibex]

Comparing the combo is a bit of an undersell as the Battleaxe's main tool is the secondary.

[proper sequoia]

Alr i sent the video go look at it, exactl 10 seconds

[languid ibex]

It builds stagger, gives spacing, and allows for less risky approaches with no time for opponents to react.

[coral rivet]

bump

[quiet marsh]

Well we are talking stats like you said. And the combos do matter.

[languid ibex]

Yes, but I'm pointing out that stats encapsulate all options.

[proper sequoia]

If you kill a soldier in faster time with the mislands battleaxe, I'll admit that 2h axes do kill faster than swords without targetting it's weakness

[proper sequoia]

Also make sure to send a video while you are at it

[quiet marsh]

He did it in 10

[coral rivet]

Then please try to open your mind to their usage. I will try the skull splitter versus the BM sword, soon.

[proper sequoia]

The skull splitter is a mistlands weapon while the BM sword is a plains weapon, how fair of a test

[quiet marsh]

ahahahah

[coral rivet]

?
bump
you said Mistland B-Axe.. .

[proper sequoia]

Than use mistwalker

[coral rivet]

Mistwalker is worse than BM Sword, but Ok.

[proper sequoia]

Not against seeker soldiers

[coral rivet]

(raw damage-wise)

[proper sequoia]

a lvl 1 mistwalker deals 115 max damage while a lvl 4 blackmetal sword does 113 so idk where tf you are getting your information from

It get's worse when the lvl 4 miwalker gets to 133 damage + 15 spirit damage

[coral rivet]

Do you know how a mob becomes staggered without parrying? Frost and spirit damage will not contribute to a mob becoming staggered.

[proper sequoia]

Yeah elements don't contribute besides lithgning to stagger but I was parrying with a shield to stagger the soldier so idk how this helps out with the experiment

Also you need to have a lot of skill in the BM sword to even stagger Fulling and takes more than 2 hits to stagger regular seekers

[coral rivet]

I was talking about raw numbers, the damage needed for staggering comes in handy when there's more than a handful of mobs, which would be tough to parry each one.
It takes 330 stamina for me to break a 2x2x2 black marble cube with a level 3 Mistwalker.
It takes 201 stamina for me to break a 2x2x2 black marble cube with a level 4 BM sword.

[proper sequoia]

there is geninuly no way you are comparing swords by hitting a black marble cube....

Besides staggering enemies in the mistlands is hard with the Bm because they are resistant to slash

Mistwalker just does more damage because of the frost specifically

[coral rivet]

I simply think the Mistwalker is worse. You can disagree if you want to.

It doesn't matter, both are formidable weapons. I'm here to defend 2-handed axes.

[proper sequoia]

Mistwalker is mistlands sword that is better than BM in the mistlands, that's really all that matters

Once you get into the Ashlands, the weapon there beats them both anyway so it doesn't change much

[coral rivet]

The 1H sword is my preferred weapon. My skills in swords is double that of what my axe skill is.
That being said, the mistwalker quality 3, does 3 shot (hold left-click) kill a level 1 seeker with its rotation, but didn't stagger it. So that could be bad if I'm in a pickle, but overall great.

The 2H Skull Splitter axe is a bit more nuanced, and takes some getting used-to. It's not as easy as just running up to the mob, parrying and swinging or pressing special-attack.
The correct positioning matters, and it does kill the seeker with a bit more damage, in its 3-swing attack sequence. Slower, albeit much more rewarding, since each of its swings staggers the seeker(s)

If you rely on a shield, you can handle 2-4 mobs and parry them, still, much more involved.
In situations with several melee mobs, the skull splitter can come in clutch.

1H swords do not beat 2H axes all the time, it depends on the situation. Shields and parrying helps the sword, a ton. I'm done going back and forth about this. Have a good day.

[wanton atlas]

it will just not happen.

[long anvil]

good talk smiffe, same time next year?

[wanton atlas]

Modders have added the feature already for those who want it tho. so they have heard it

[wanton atlas]

I rather not talk more about crafting from containers at all since I feel it's a wierd mechanic overall 😄

[long anvil]

definitely not immersive in the context of valheim, i 100% agree with that

[wanton atlas]

in games like factorio, satisfactory and star rupture. you're a future person with machines.
hence it can make some sence

and just like Tomuchdogg says. the players don't mass-craft either beside arrows and possibly foods.
hence we added the feature to multi craft in the workbenches with the shift key for 5X

but crafting from containers IMHO is a wierd mechanic in most games already. and I personally dislike it since it feels.. wierd

you lose the sence of organization

and I've heard the discussions over the years. the design idea is you drag your items to the workbench in your own 2 hands, and smash the hammer until things are crafted

[peak bronze]

Crafting from containers definitely feels good in games like Terraria or Necesse, but they are faster paced games with much more materials to craft with than Valheim.

[long anvil]

i cant recall which game it was i played that did this, but there was a per-station storage for materials in one game that felt pretty nice

you still had to restock it as needed

[wanton atlas]

a container connected to the workbench?

[peak bronze]

Stardew Valley has that.

Chests connected to the workbench allows using the stored materials inside those chests for crafting.