suggestion-discussion

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/good-boy-pat-on-head-stitch-gif-14742401

[fathom sapphire]

What means ♻️ emoji in suggestion?

[shadow crow]

It means it's been suggested before

[wanton atlas]

or simular thing has been suggested before in some shape or form

[rose swan]

I actually recently decided to stop using the ♻️ vote haha

[arctic wharf]

That a ♻️ kind of response

[fathom sapphire]

ty

[rose swan]

#suggestions message I’m upvoting this only because I would rather this than the seal

[peak bronze]

Rather hunt moose than seal?

[shadow crow]

😈 I hope there's a recipe to make boots from them.

https://tenor.com/view/animation-movies-mean-girls-quotes-oh-gif-14849920

[coarse idol]

How is it that some people have additional icons under their messages (suggestion)? Why aren't they banned? It doesn't seem like a chat error or bug.

[hasty wren]

Only admins and other higher ups can do it but once an admin does it everyone else can

[lament zinc]

That's most likely because Smiffe adds those icons to reflect his personal thoughts of that suggestion.

[rose swan]

#suggestions message @dull turret it’s not the official Valheim Hugin, but Hugin is available on the Grimfrost website! I think Grimfrost provides merchandise for Valheim, I think they’re partners or something?

With that being said, not opposed to more official Valheim merch 👍

[dull turret]

Kinda sad it aint official but still tuff

thanks for for pointing it out that there is already a plushie kinda

but more official valheim merch would still be greate

[rose swan]

Yeah no problem! And yeah, can’t go wrong with more merch

[lament zinc]

@pure vine What would be the purpose of such an oven?
Because personally I don't see many reasons to add something like that if it's only for aesthetics.

[pure vine]

That's literally it, aesthetic. No offense, but by that logic, adding ashwood furniture was also a waste of time since none of it is strictly better than some other options available earlier in progression, like the dragon bed outdoes the ash bed in comfort.
It just matches a black marble building better.

[earnest grotto]

Shingle build pieces weren't structurally better in anyway over wooden build pieces .. they were strictly just an aesthetics addition.

[pure vine]

Aesthetic options are important to the builders.

[runic plover]

Similarly, shield styles weren't originally part of shields. People like visual customization.

[pure vine]

Ah yes, I remember days before pretty shield patterns. Now it is fun to make wall emplacements to put shields on for viking home feel.

[rain snow]

oh i am out too :d but it was well deserved 😄

[tulip lynx]

Smoke pathfinding definitely needs an update. This design is perfectly acceptable as ventilation, yet the system has trouble allowing smoke to pass through leading to it bunching up within the interior

[wanton atlas]

no

the smoke clouds have a specific size you need to take into consideration

[tulip lynx]

And I’m saying it’s too restrictive

[wanton atlas]

the smaller they are, the worse they will impact your games performance

[tulip lynx]

That gap would be serve as perfectly acceptable ventilation if this were a real Viking longhouse. If the devs want to have “realistic” smoke mechanics, they need to do it properly

[wanton atlas]

<-- dev

[tulip lynx]

Oh, lol

[wanton atlas]

and realism sometimes needs to adapt to game engine limitations

unless you all own NASA server-farm 🤔

[tulip lynx]

They don’t even need to be smaller, just their hitbox

[wanton atlas]

I think they are.. 0.6 meter squared atm 🤔

0.75m

no wait

can't even read the wiki correctly

0.42m

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Smoke

_Smoke instances have a radius of 0.42 meters which means they require about 1 meter space to get through. Beams can be used to block smoke movement while still leaving gaps to interact with the structures. _

[tulip lynx]

All I know is that if I build ventilation that looks nice it doesn’t work well, but when I build something that looks bad it works at great cost to my eyes

[wanton atlas]

can't have it all I'm affraid

because the more fires you have going, the worse performance you get

and if we made the smoke even smaller, you would suffer worse performance than you already do

[tulip lynx]

The thing is that this design works without the wood beam edge trim, but it can’t not have it otherwise it looks ungodly

Maybe all that needs doing is making it so that smoke ignores the hit boxes of certain building parts, such as the wood beams

Wood stairs too, those things are literally full of gaps. Smoke would have no problem passing through those

If I was on PC I’d find a mod that gives me the desired changes, but I’m stuck on console

[earnest grotto]

the mods wouldn't ignore the hitboxes .. they would just be smokeless fires .. by removing the smoke all together

[tulip lynx]

I like the smoke, I like having to actually make somewhere for the smoke to go and seeing it rising into the sky. I just don’t like my creativity being forcibly restricted

[formal bobcat]

this is all i could do myself ,but i dont think it looks ugly

[tulip lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

Jk, it’s not the worst thing I’ve seen

[formal bobcat]

it's simple and it works 😆

[fierce steppe]

Has anyone suggested the idea of nests in Valheim as a way to generate more feathers?

[formal bobcat]

yes . i wished for the removal of deathsquitos and replaced with vultures in the plains and they would defend a nest . this was before the ash lands update.

[wintry bobcat]

Might be more clutter and imbalance than its worth. Chickens already provide an overflow of feathers, plus they can be gotten from birds and trees. A fourth option probably isn't necessary.

They're not used for much either, just feather cape and arrows/bolts. And bows are already hella OP, so not really a need to make feathers even more common

[fast void]

Fun smoke discussion fails to bring up the fact you don't even need ventilation 😭 if your roof is either tall enough or long enough the particles just time out before bunching up enough that they would come down.

[rose swan]

Agreed, chickens are already your base-source for feathers, anything more would be a bit much imo

[sick breach]

#suggestions message

I almost like this idea. A pie recipe using the highest tier ingredients, requires cooked anglerfish, and has incredible statline. You eat it and you get the statline... before puking your guts out.

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message Because you haven't been there long enough for the buff to kick in yet when you die and respawn, simple as that.

[sick breach]

People can sleep and wake up in the morning without having been in the area long enough for the rested buff to accrue, so it's still not consistent.

Not to mention there's literally no reason to not have you respawn with the rested buff, the only difference is needing to hold still for an extra 30 seconds after you wake up. The player has already done everything to earn whatever rested buff waking up in their bed gives.

[stiff stag]

One is actually sleeping and resting (and the time jump is the reason it applies faster than normal), the other is coming back after dying, hardly comparable at all and can easily wager you wouldn't feel very rested after having just died.

[shadow crow]

#suggestions message
this is already planned for the 1.0 release

[lament zinc]

Perhaps IG should add the achievement: "You're the 101st asking for achievements" to the game.

Or perhaps give people posting rights in the suggestions forum after they did a search for the idea they got.
That may save the rest of us from lots of clutter and repeated "suggestions".

[shadow crow]

I don’t think limiting the suggestions are the way to go. Gatekeeping rarely gets favorable results.

[lament zinc]

I'm not saying that the suggestions should be limited.

I'm saying that people should do a damn search first before actually posting something.

[shadow crow]

I was just letting them know it’s in the plan

[lament zinc]

Which is something they could've known if they had done a search for "achievements"

And guess what: that word shows 1282 results........

Meaning it's been discussed before.....

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message I can guarantee that moving the channel further up won't make any real difference.

[toxic trail]

Well, currently, it's at the very very bottom of the list so it's "out of sight out of mind" - moving it up into the visible range would help some.

[shadow crow]

It might help…but also keep in mind that the Official™ Valheim discord is in no way responsible for or beholden to the mods made for its game.

They can scroll or find the Valheim Modding server for more detailed stuff but I don’t think a friendly redirect is such a bad thing

[peak bronze]

At least channel description in https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202320491377856512 states "not for mods".

[rose swan]

Huge fan of the idea of adding achievements to the game, anyone know if that’s going to happen

[languid ibex]

I googled Norse lore and now I will suggest something because it was a thing, so it should be in Viking Sim too, I mean Valheim.

[stiff stag]

I didn't say it wouldn't make any difference at all, I said it wouldn't make any real difference, as in it will be a very negligible change not even worth bothering with. The real issue will still persist, that people don't bother to read or search at all, even if the answer is staring them right in the face.

[toxic trail]

I think you might be surprised at how effective moving it into clear visual range would be - ask marketing and advertising folks, there's a reason they want you to see their image/logo/product as much as possible.

[rose swan]

I don’t really see it is as a big issue to redirect people to the correct channels 🤔

[stiff stag]

I've seen people ask a question here, it gets answered, then someone else jumps in and immediately asks the same question. I know from experience that what you're saying generally doesn't apply here on discord.

[lament zinc]

I think you're overrating the amount of people using mods in this game.

The majority of the players and the people here play Vanilla.
So having those channels on top, with the PTB related channels beneath that seems a good choice to me.

[toxic trail]

I wasn't necessarily advocating to have them on top, just moved up in to the visual range on the sidebar is all. Voice channels could be clear at the bottom as people deliberately search those out.

[wanton atlas]

and it doesn't matter where I put channels

people will ask for LFG in general chat, mods help ni valheim-help chat. etc etc etc

Humans are made out of convenience.

and will not go look for more than what they need most of the time

[runic plover]

Retail worker of 12 years here. That only applies to things easily identified without needing to read, or with text so big it's basically the logo itself. People will miss text that's literally inches in front of their face. I've had people ask me where to find a product that occupies an entire wall directly behind me.

[sick breach]

"... and can easily wager you wouldn't feel very rested after having just died." I'm curious how exactly you were going to easily settle that bet. Given that dead people are often described as being at rest and laid to rest, i say you actually feel extremely refreshed and energized after being ressurected in your bed. Prove me wrong, atheists!

Of course, trying to use realism to justify how respawn mechanics should work is a bit ridiculous, so im going to instead reiterate that forcing players to hold completely still for 30 seconds after death is not an engaging mechanic nor satisfying challenge. If you woke up in a bed, you should have the rested buff of that area.

[stiff stag]

You really don't have any valid defense for your stance here, just making up nonsense to fit your narrative when it doesn't at all fit the reality of the situation. You get the rested buff while sleeping because of the time skip despite not spending enough real life time to get the buff, however when you die and respawn no such thing occurs, hence why you don't get the rested buff applied immediately after respawning. Very open and shut case. And why should the player be rewarded with an instant rested bonus after failure/death? That's the opposite of how it should be. You already have to wait 20 seconds for it to be applied initially when you first go out exploring, so I hardly see the issue when you have to do the same after you die.

[errant mauve]

@clever spear Have you checked out a game called Aska? Its pretty much what you suggested, it even has a Viking theme.

Its on the Steam winter sale right now.

[barren oasis]

@clever spear the lonely feeling is intentional and it's a big part of the lore

[lofty wave]

this is why we need neck taming

[wanton atlas]

@clever spear well the idea has been talked many times in this channel but not internally between the developers since it's suppose to be 1 players job, and not a viking village simulator game.

The further you play in the game, the harder it is to bring along NPC's and other non-player characters due to how the game is made to be played

[sick breach]

"No valid defense for your stance" is exactly how i would describe your arguments. You know that having to wait 30 seconds holding still by your bed for the rested buff to apply after dying is A) not an engaging mechanic nor B) some compelling restriction that incentivizes play behaviour. Its just pointless, may as well have a 30 second cutscene of your character being ressurected.

You know it's pointless, which is why you're trying to justify it's existence, not by arguing its good gameplay, but claiming its the price of having consistent rested rules. But people keep noticing this issue precisely because it's inconsistent with how a bed works; any other time you go from a loading screen to waking up in a bed you have the rested buff. If this had been how it worked from the beginning, not even the most pedantic of players would have found waking up with the rested buff after death weird or inconsistent.

My defense remains the same: dying, waking up in your bed, and having to THEN sit still for 30 seconds to be rested is infuriating because its pointless waiting. We already have needing to eat, re-arm, and journey back to the site of our death (not to mention xp loss) to make dying feel bad. The rested buff has already been earned through the construction of comfort objects near a warm bed.

[languid ibex]

I will say it's definitely not pointless, and incentivizing death for an instant rested buff could be worth it to some that already have low skills or die a lot.

30 seconds isn't much to ask, especially when there are things to consider before rushing out the door in most cases where you've just died.

[nocturne ridge]

i dont see a problem with the 30 seconds. But i can understand if people dont like it. Maybe something like eating a special food that gives the sideeffekt of giving rested buff after death.

outright removing it tho.....feels cheap

[languid ibex]

It can already be emulated with meads that exist anyways, should you choose, you can just bring along health and stamina regen mead to attain the same bonuses.

[wanton atlas]

most people who panics after dying are those who thinks their gear will despawn after death

alot of games have timers on corpse loot 🤔

like minecraft. run or your stuff is gone so fast

[wintry bobcat]

If I remember right minecraft loot only despawns if the chunk is loaded, which it usually isn't unless you died right next to base

Once you get near it you only have like 5 min tho

[sick breach]

It is almost impossible for me to concoct a scenario where dying would be faster than waiting 30 seconds for a rested buff; I certainly wouldn't consider it so advantageous that everyone should be forced to pointlessly dawdle after death, just so this strategy can be nerfed.

I agree that there are definitely some people who die and rush out without any preparation to get their stuff back, and game mechanics that incentivize more preparation between gear retrieval runs is good in that regard. Stopping to eat some food, maybe grab a backup weapon and/or potions fulfills this. But running around your base collecting backup gear you've kept and eating food are actions. They don't feel pointlessly frustrating in the same way being forced to hold completely still for 30 seconds immediately after death does. Especially in a context where we know the game is able to give us the rested buff immediately, IE waking up from a bed.

[arctic wharf]

Usually why I always install a gravestone mod into my playthroughs so I know the stuff is safe and sound inside regardless of how much I keep dieing trying to retrieve it

The death runs can be real sometimes still, but at least I can swim however far also (or make the super simple Minecraft boats).

Wouldn't really compare Minecraft to valheim (especially once mods are involved, and I always use mods for MC)
🤔
But yes, the scare to lose your gear can be real.
Even when your stuff is in no danger, sometimes just trying to get back to it feels nigh impossible.

[stiff stag]

It isn't given from just waking up, it gets applied when you sleep because there's a time skip that occurs in that situation. No such thing happens when you respawn after dying, therefore the normal/default behavior applies there (not sure how many times something that basic needs to be explained). And you generally die brutally in the game, far from a peaceful/restful return. And it's 20 seconds for the buff to apply, not 30. At best I could see maybe the time required being cut in half (reduced to a 10 second wait, that way you still need to stop and rest up but it isn't needlessly long), but outright removing the wait for no good reason is far from being a valid or reasonable solution.

[toxic trail]

Pointeless time-sink mechanics are exactly that. Pointless.

[hoary anvil]

With all these items we currently have equip able in our inventories when are we gonna get a dedicated inventory strictly for equipment

[runic plover]

I certainly wouldn't complain about dedicated slots for equipment, at least for things worn on the body. Things carried in hands are perfectly fine as they are.

[glossy flame]

To me this is one of the most critical issues right now. I hope it gets addressed either before or when 1.0 drops.

Or at least add some mechanism for upgrading inventory space as the game progresses to accommodate the extra need for inventory space.

[wanton atlas]

Why would you ever need a mod for that? 🤔

[runic plover]

I'm pretty sure that's in reference to Minecraft.

[stiff stag]

And waiting for the rested buff to apply is not pointless, if you think it is then you have a misunderstanding on a very basic and fundamental level. It naturally takes time to feel rested, and designing a mechanic after that sort of property is a basic element in game design. If it didn't work that way it would be very out of place.

[arctic wharf]

It's not a default feature for minecraft 👀

I usually play minecraft with like hundreds of mods though hahaha

[wanton atlas]

oh. I thought you ment for valheim 😄

[toxic trail]

That doesn't make it good game design though - just because the industry says "this element needs to be in place" doesn't make it mandatory. I think YOU have a misunderstanding at very basic and fundamental level.

[runic plover]

Would you suggest the timer for acquiring the rested buff be removed entirely? Dip into your base for a literal second and you're ready for the next 20 minutes?

[toxic trail]

No, but I am in support of the "rested after death" being immediately applied, just as if you had slept - and I would be in favor of shortening the timer from say 30s to say 10s. I understand the mechanic, and it's place in the game, but I'd rather be actually PLAYING.

[fast void]

Always fun when someone declares what is/is not "good game design."

[toxic trail]

Always fun when someone declares their opinion as the "right one".

[peak bronze]

I think the 20s after death is good and reasonable time to think and re-evaluate choices so far.

[shadow crow]

And eat better food for the reclamation effort.

[mellow wolf]

To build upon my latest dummy map idea: making dyes (colors) from plants to draw with different colors. And maybe be able to build beacons and lighthouses for better navigation without the map (especially when sailing)

[stiff stag]

"I just got rag dolled off a cliff by a stone golem and plummeted to my death, I demand that I spawn back fully rested as if I didn't just go through a horrific death". It's just absurd/silly to act like that fits in in any way and not see any problem with it. And as noted multiple times before, there is no time skip when you die like there is when you sleep, hence why you get the buff in one case and not the other. The only thing I can agree on is shortening the base timer from 20 seconds to 10 so you still have to wait, but instantly getting rested after gruesome deaths, especially when you haven't actually spent any time resting at the location you respawn at just does not belong at all.

[coarse idol]

I probably agree. I think that many graves/objects overload and clutter up the game, whereas the world of Valheim cleans itself up (abandoned items disappear, and corpses decompose quickly after a while). Just make the timer longer — for example, 3 game days or at least 24 hours (enough time to swim from a distant island or run there).
But on the other hand, I myself use my “tombstones” as storage for resources (which is very convenient... but not logical). In general, this vestige should be removed.

[toxic trail]

Imagine for a moment that there was a rested effect after death - would you be advocating for it to be taken away? As in, let's say it was part of the game from the beginning, would you then have posted in suggestions that it be removed?

[barren oasis]

@coarse idol thisd just suck

I think 99% of players would literally quit after losing all their gear

[stiff stag]

That's not even a valid argument for the discussion at hand. Are you even trying? The fact is that that isn't a thing to begin with, a suggestion was made to change it, and it's been explained why it's nonsense and shouldn't be done in the first place.

[lament zinc]

Imagine that you start the game with the rested bonus on right away.
It would make the start so much easier, considering that we have a faster stamina and HP regeneration right at the start. Even before we had eaten any food.

After all, the very first time we enter the map, we are actually returning from death.

So in regards to that, the current system works just fine.

[toxic trail]

What I was really wondering was if you were capable of entertaining the notion of a conflicting thought and willingly examine and discuss the notion from a different perspective. Apparently not. You have a nice day now.

[stiff stag]

You presented a strawman argument, need I say more? You would generally only pull that stunt when you're incapable of defending your stance, so you jump to something that's easier to attack without ever properly addressing the actual issue at hand.

[wanton atlas]

we won't change how it works anyhow

[coarse idol]

I think if this were suddenly introduced with an update, 99% of players would just accept it and continue playing (as is the case with many other games). However, in Valheim, the dozens of player corpses really do look like a bug or oversight (although I personally use them as extra storage locations along the way), and sometimes these extra graves can be confusing when searching for the original ones.

[wanton atlas]

not a snowballs chance in hell 😄

I don't want death threats

[languid ibex]

Jump off hill, done

[rose swan]

If your grave was set to despawn on a timer- the new #1 suggestion would be ‘revert gravestones to not despawn”
And I would be 100% in support haha

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message what if instead of garden gnomes it was garden gnecks?

[runic plover]

Dozens of player corpses? How many people are you playing with and what are you all doing if you're just leaving that many graves around?

[runic plover]

I'm amused that this whole thing is over a 20-second timer.

[hoary anvil]

a way to attach the headlight onto a helmet? wouldnt that be neat 🙂

also with there already being a lox cart model in game and we can tame lox, when will we be able to attach a cart to one? also when will boats and the ocean get some love?

[languid ibex]

I suggested something along those lines not long ago! #suggestions message

[toxic trail]

Someone is wrong on the internet! (credit to xkcd)

[stiff stag]

It is really bizarre. Most people in the discussion see no issue with the 20 second wait time, then there's 2 irrational people that blow it way out of proportion acting like it's some unforgivable sin that you have to naturally wait a bit of time before your character feels rested (especially after dying horribly to enemies, something where you're obviously not going to feel rested immediately afterward). And then they ignorantly compare dying to having a nice night's sleep as if they're even remotely the same thing, you honestly can't make this stuff up 😆.

[toxic trail]

Whoa whoa whoa - are you saying I'm an irrational person that blew it out of proportion? Just because we might disagree on the issue hardly elevates ANY of my responses to that level of description, nor the derision of your tone sir, and the assertion of ignorance is well out of line. Seems someone else has blown their top to me.

[runic plover]

This has been such fun to read. Please, gentlemen, continue.

[runic plover]

I suppose it's fair I add my opinion, now that I've more publicly engaged in the conversation. If death caused any amount of time skip, I would be in favor of rested-on-respawn. However, from your character's perspective, you don't "wake up," as such, from sleep after death. You rematerialize, teleport, or otherwise instantly reappear at your bed, after just having your bones broken in alphabetical order. If anything, I would find it reasonable to have an anti-rested debuff from the trauma.

[earnest grotto]

@boreal plover #suggestions message
may I ask why? Doesn't våt mean wet? And I know that I am using translate but your suggestion comes back as nothing close to the effect of the wet debuff.

[peak bronze]

IIRC Swedish is community translated too.

[boreal plover]

Yes våt means wet. Dyngsur is like a word for very wet. if you had a swedish grandma you would probably be told you are dyngsur if you played in the rain too long when you were a child. Also I think it would fit the norse theme ending with "ur", for comedic value idk 🤷‍♂️

[hasty wren]

I think våt works just fine because the English translation is just wet and I think it should be literal translation

(with grammatical changes ofc)

[earnest grotto]

the translate comes back as Dyngsur = Dung clock (Laughs) which is what confused me.

[boreal plover]

literal translations doesn't always work, unless you know the context. if you translate the English word "nice" to swedish you get "bra(good)" or "trevlig". we also have a swedish adaptation of the word nice which we pronounce the same and spell "najs" and I don't know if there is a word in english to describe what we feel when we say someting is najs or skitnajs. dung or sh*t is a prefix to make a word stronger. dyng-sur meaning very wet and skitnajs meaning very nice.

[subtle depot]

Sur means wet?
I'm Norwegian so I don't actually know...
But i would translate dyngsur as "very angry" or "very sour"

[boreal plover]

yes it means both sour/wet/sad and people don't really use it for wet anymore in sweden unless you say dyngsur

[peak bronze]

Have never heard of "dyngsur" term, although I'm not native and had to learn Swedish since 7th grade in school.

[subtle depot]

You also have gradations of how wet you are in english.
Damp, wet, soaked.

Are you sure dyngsur is not closer to soaked?

The term reminds me of the norwegian "søkkvåt", meaning soaking wet

[wanton atlas]

That's more of a dialect thing to be honest.

Våt, blöt, dyngsur, genomblöt, dränkt, dyngblöt etc etc

All of those are more prone to be used, depending on where in Sweden you live.

Dont forget, we are Swedish developer team. And which word we choose for the Swedish translation is usually one of the most commonly used one.

[sick breach]

Its not a strawman argument, he didnt claim you were arguing something that you weren't arguing. He asked you to entertain a hypothetical situation (what if you had always woken up with rested buff after dying) to expose how yourassertion that it would feel inconsistent is nonsense.

You always do this thing where you refuse to actually engage with any argument someone else says, then insinuate THEY'RE the one who can't handle rational argument. It's super fun.

[shadow crow]

I can’t believe this is still going on. I’m gonna need more popcorn.

[hasty wren]

I was about to say that

[fast void]

Best theater I have been to had miniature pizzas available. Shall I get you one?

[hasty wren]

Yes pls

[shadow crow]

Like bagel bites or just small pizzas?

[fast void]

Like 8 inch pizzas.

[sick breach]

You keep bringing up how death isn't supposed to be restful and it makes thematic sense for you to not have a rested buff when waking up in a bed so that you DON'T need to engage with the core argument on offer: having to stand completely still after dying and waking up in a bed to obtain your rested buff is bad gameplay experience.

[shadow crow]

Sounds tasty! Yes please

[hasty wren]

🍿 🧘‍♂️ 🍕

[fast void]

And I always grab M&M's.

[hasty wren]

We should all hit X and sit down

[fast void]

Or W&W's for the Australians. 😏

[hasty wren]

:0

[sick breach]

I dont know what channel you guys are in, i coulda swore this was the suggestion discussion channel.

[hasty wren]

This is and we are talking about watching a suggestion discussion in progress

[fast void]

We are discussing our response to your discussion.

[hasty wren]

I can go get drinks

What you guys want?

[fast void]

Also you do not have to stand still to get Rested...

[sick breach]

You have to remain in your highest comfort area, but i suppose you can pace.

[fast void]

You have a pretty generous radius.
And eating your food + equipping your "I died" backup armor will chew through a good chunk of the timer.

So in the end you "stand" there doing nothing for maybe 5 seconds?

[hasty wren]

Not even that because that time could be equipping armour

[sick breach]

Fair enough

[fast void]

Read the whole thing again and specifically look for the word armor 😉

[shadow crow]

Put on armor, stuff some food down your gob, you’re rested and ready to go enact vengeance

[hasty wren]

Oh yea

Mb

[shadow crow]

NBD.

[fast void]

I can 100% understand the point of "standing here is dumb" IF you're talking about people who do naked recovery runs.

In which case the point of the timer is sort of to encourage you to prepare for getting your stuff back instead of sprinting naked and having a higher chance of just dying again.
And by that logic - the timer is good.

[shadow crow]

I can't believe now we're discussing this... 🍕🍿

[sick breach]

Id still say we have enough mechanics incentivising prep before running back out, especially low stamina, but sure. Personally this mechanic has irked me when ive died defending a raid, and im just sitting in my house having eaten my food, waiting for a rested buff, while mobs fuck up my base.

[hasty wren]

I am early enough into the game to just run naked without backup armour (mostly because all my backup armour sucks)

[hasty wren]

I agree tbf

[sick breach]

I cant believe were still complaining about long drawn out discussions in the long drawn out discussions channel

[rose swan]

Guess I’ll throw my two cents in the well
I don’t think it would really change anything either way- being rested upon respawn or not. There’s not an issue with how it currently works, so I personally don’t find changing it to be much different 🤔
So, no point in changing it if it worlds fine imo.

You’re probably eating food and regenerating HP anyways, so I don’t see much issue.

[hasty wren]

Why don't we discuss this one instead
#suggestions message

[fast void]

@shadow crow this discussion is longer than getting the Rested Buff my godddddd. 😏

[sick breach]

Well in that case defense... rests

[shadow crow]

I can get pretty good rested buff anywhere in my tavern but there is one tiny sweet spot where everything overlaps

[hasty wren]

Finalyyyy 🙂

[rose swan]

This reminds me of a great conversation here a few years ago

[hasty wren]

What was it about

[sick breach]

Yeah other thing is walking through your house and hitting a tiny patch that breaks your sheltered buff, resetting the rested timer. But you can argue that just incentivizes better home building.

[shadow crow]

oh gosh that's the worst

[rose swan]

The comfort mechanic, discussing details on how to eliminate that ‘sweet spot’ that Rain mentioned so you can take advantage of your full bonus a little easier. It was like right before the hack, but it essentially led to the most upvoted suggestion thus far.

[shadow crow]

Especially when my brand new character is huddled in a BF stone tower trying to survive the night...and there's that one patch of missing roof.

[hasty wren]

That's very fair

[rose swan]

#suggestions message In case you’re curious!

Gotta get to work though, y’all have fun 🫡

[sick breach]

Careful guys, we dont want to bore people by talking about something for consecutive minutes. What's everyone's thoughts on that more flowers suggestion?

[hasty wren]

Have fun working 🫡

[sick breach]

Im personally ok with same flowers but more trees is welcome.

[hasty wren]

Dude you don't have to be so aggressive

[shadow crow]

I usually play zoomed out max distance and already cuss the existing amount of trees

Nah, Scout, don't rise to his bait

[hasty wren]

Ok

Let's just let the essays roll out

[sick breach]

My guy you keep making passive aggressive comments about me continuing a discussion, dont act like its weird i respond in kind. Lets just drop it, ok?

[hasty wren]

Icba to argue anymore so let's just drop it Salahadin

[fast void]

Why are we using adult language at... trees? 😭

[sick breach]

I just meant more tree varieties, not more dense woodland.

[shadow crow]

I use adult language at everything 🤣 Trees, my nonexistent organization system, the keyboard...

[shadow crow]

Now that I can get behind. Some willow trees along meadow riverbanks

[hasty wren]

That would be nice

[shadow crow]

I suddenly forgot every other tree species 🤦‍♀️ but yes

Some gnarled little cypress trees clinging to the highest peaks in Mistlands

[earnest grotto]

Maple. Pecan. Spruce. (just a few more for ya)

[hasty wren]

Willow trees on the edge of lakes and rivers

[shadow crow]

ohh imagine if the different wood types could be used for different hues of furniture, too

Now I'm just going off the rails with my fantasy 🤣

[hasty wren]

That would be a builders dream

[earnest grotto]

Cherry, Walnut, Mahogany, Teak, Poplar, Redwood, Hemlock, Cedar and Ebony.

These would make good funtiure lol

[fast void]

Bamboo in Valheim when? 😏

[shadow crow]

Eh...it grows mostly in warmer climates

Let's get some kudzu in there 🤣

[hasty wren]

Cherry blossom

[fast void]

Warmer climates? Ashlands bamboo?

[shadow crow]

Quasi-related...why don't we have any fruit trees? I would like something besides berries

[shadow crow]

Ashboo

[fast void]

YES

[languid ibex]

I think bamboo shoots* would mesh nicely in Mistlands as well

[shadow crow]

Considering most Mistlands builds tend to skew Asian-inspired, you're not wrong

[hasty wren]

Apples would work in the world of valheim

And pinenuts

[shadow crow]

I friggin love pine nuts

[hasty wren]

Same

[fast void]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-barbossa-pirates-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-21367124

[languid ibex]

I'm surprised there's no bukeperry plant of any kind, where are these Greydwarf Shaman sourcing these things? 🤔

[shadow crow]

Apples, most stone fruits like cherries & plums, maybe? I need to research for accuracy

[hasty wren]

I could imagine more warmer climates towards the ashlands which could mean beaches that can lead to coconut

[fast void]

STONE fruit???

[shadow crow]

They're like a clam...the make 'em on the inside 😛

[hasty wren]

Hard stuff

[fast void]

So like... grapes?

[shadow crow]

Stone fruit = blanket term for fruits with a hard pit or "stone." Peaches, plums, cherries, etc.

[hasty wren]

So grapes would be one I think

[fast void]

I like only 1 of those 😁

[shadow crow]

Grapes = vineberries and no one shall convince me otherwise 😛

[hasty wren]

Tbf

[fast void]

Grapes are more wineberries 😉

[hasty wren]

I think there should be more alcoholic beverages in valheim

[shadow crow]

Grapes aren't stone fruit, despite having a hard seed. They're evolutionarily distinct families

[hasty wren]

Made from the fruit we suggested

[fast void]

E V O L U T I O N

• Debate starts in 3... 2... Smiffe cancels debate. 😁

[shadow crow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupe

[hasty wren]

We need smiffe to get in on this

[fast void]

Winter > Smiffe.
-# I said what I said.

[lilac path]

do we?

[hasty wren]

Yes

[lilac path]

-# oh i got nothin'
-# i see interesting bits of knowledge i'm unfamiliar with and i just go "ohhh"

[hasty wren]

This is a great debate
-# that smiffe can pick apart

You didn't see thst

[shadow crow]

This is pretty much my approach to life 🤣

[fast void]

Nothing?
🎶 You got a friend in me...

[shadow crow]

It's why I spout such useless facts at the drop of a hat

[hasty wren]

I do that aswel

[lilac path]

that distraction strat works on me

[hasty wren]

I will just randomly say some random facts or something stupid

My irl friends do that to

[shadow crow]

#all-about-that-infodump 🕺

[lilac path]

i only do that with niche topics in places where people are at least vaguely familiar with the topic to begin with

[hasty wren]

Idc how familiar people are with the topic

If they aren't familiar they will have to put up with more while I explain it to them

[shadow crow]

I will educate folks into a rudimentary knowledge of a subject AND THEN dump even more on them!! 😈

[hasty wren]

Yes

I once explained the whole lore of elden ring to someone

That was a fun conversation

[shadow crow]

...oops I missed the garbage truck. Just heard it drive by

[fast void]

Fact: Lysol kills 99.99% of germs on contact.

-# Some people are probably too young to remember this commercial...

[shadow crow]

I remember...and I also used to panic about that 0.01% of surviving germs because those were probably the ones that were the most dangerous!!

[fathom sapphire]

@oblique beacon Use sun clock

[oblique beacon]

i want the decoration not the time

the time is just a feature

[wanton atlas]

1+1=2 1+2 =4
quick math

[toxic trail]

I've got 4k hours in that game and doubt I could do that; GRRM has some weird and complex schemes in his head. Lore was never my bailiwick.

But I could absolutely tell you where/how to find all the stuff n things (though it's been a while since I've played, some of that has faded)

[oak fulcrum]

#suggestions message to be fair there not much reason to actualy bring home the loxes in a normal dificulty play trough. For rideing they are not so good because of thier size and the inherently small islands what the game generates, and if you breeding them for meat you can just leave a portal where the loxes are.

But i gues small change but big impact for those who its matters.

[oak fulcrum]

#suggestions message regarding my suggestion here. On paper its sounds allright that you have to spend time to master your skills, but in the game its just boils down as doing nothing but press a singular button for hours

[earnest grotto]

#suggestions message
You should prolly search Valheim for your suggestions and you will be enlightened .. without some lameass like me telling you this...

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/achievement-unlocked-gif-27073940

[arctic wharf]

Achievement unlocked
Not The Last:
be the 100th person to suggest adding achievements.

[peak bronze]

#suggestions message Nice, we've not had horse suggestion during this year yet.
Also, suggested many times and rejected as much.

[rose swan]

Hoorah for first horse suggestion this year!

[hasty wren]

Deep north when?

[peak bronze]

-# Also obligatory dad joke inserted.

[hasty wren]

Would I get culled if I suggested adding deep north to the game?

🙁

Omg

[peak bronze]

You know the answer: "When it's ready".

[hasty wren]

Ye

I was taking the mick a bit

As a British person like myself would say

I got ice cube tho

[simple hound]

Bro got ice cubed

[hasty wren]

Not complaining

Ima find a way to catch them all

[rose swan]

Heh, I’m actually currently trying to catch them all right now

[hasty wren]

Ashlands when?

Does that work

[wanton atlas]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1202263390056357928/1445806052485628097/neckwhen.gif

[hasty wren]

You should add an icon for horse requests

[wanton atlas]

🐴

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

or this one

[formal bobcat]

what about this ? 😆

[wet drift]

Horses would be great, except it would kinda remove the point of some other mounts.

Best solution I can see would be a health pool too small for later areas.

Could also give them a radius, so despite being meadows, they'd not be right around spawn, cluttering pre-Eikthyr.

[formal bobcat]

we could ride Eikthyr after we defeat him 😆 jk

[fast void]

Best solution is to not add horses 😉

[wet drift]

I don't think they are so unworkable that adding them is bad. I just think it ends up being not worth it.

[rose swan]

Personally, I find the current mounts/mechanic to be a bit underwhelming, and I feel any more mounts would just pile onto a feature that isn’t important enough anyways

[earnest grotto]

horses would absolutely suck in black forest, swamp, mountain and mistlands. that is 4/7 biomes they would not benefit a player at all ... so with just that simple logic, I highly doubt the devs would consider adding them as more then 50% of the game they wouldn't be used.

Seeing how they already have Lox in Plains and Ashkin in Ashlands .. that only leaves the Meadows that would be playable .. and they have not had the greatest feedback with the Lox and Ashkin for mounts .. So...

[rose swan]

Think I’ve ridden a lox, like once? For like 2 minutes? Tamed maybe 2 lox in my Valheim career. Asksvin are certainly a bit better, but they have their faults too.

[rose swan]

And Ashlands, 5/8

[wanton atlas]

it's unbalanceable

that's one of the main issues

[fast void]

Also if you add horses you will immediately invite all the "Horse Combat When?" people.

[wanton atlas]

yes

but the main issue

how to make a monster that is fast enough to catch you while on your horse riding, while not fast while your not on the horse

mounted combat is it's own bloody nightmare

either the game is ment for mounted combat, or it's not

can't have both

[fast void]

Hardcore Valheim PvP when? 😏

[wanton atlas]

you know when

[earnest grotto]

when you add mods ... lol

[fast void]

🤮

Would rather cut my fingers off one at a time.

[earnest grotto]

then you do have your answer

[wanton atlas]

there we go

back to Rust with you @fast void

[fast void]

A game I have never played and will never play is in my name... because?

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/shoo-go-away-johnny-depp-captain-jack-sparrow-gif-4877675

[fast void]

🤔

[formal bobcat]

😆

[wanton atlas]

one does not simply bring a horse into the afterlife

[wet drift]

Yeah. I did write about a scenario where they wouldn't really mess with anything.

The thing with that scenario is that they are never "good" they are just a thing to play with when returning late to early areas. Basically an rp item, or at most some expediancy in convenient terrain that no longer poses a danger anyway.

It is not worth it if the game is meant as a series of progression towards an ultimate goal. It could be if there were more resources, or the goal was to create a viking afterlife to inhabit, with progression just giving more stuff to play with.

[shadow crow]

Speaking as someone with a horse mod, because my friend wanted horses so we got horses….they are an absolute pain in the backside.
You can’t fight while mounted (on any mounts) so you have to dismount and hope you can find the stupid thing afterwards; either it panics and flees like a deer or gets squashed into horsemeat-jelly if it aggroes.
If you opt to just use them pulling carts (not part of your suggestion but part of the mod I use) then they will catch it on every single rock and tree in a 3-mile radius 🤦‍♀️
And ultimately, like cats, horses are noble beasts that don’t deserve Viking purgatory.

[coarse idol]

I hope that with the release of Far North, they will introduce the long-awaited and extremely logical harness (the ability to attach carts to draft animals). Or maybe they will allow animals that cannot be ridden to be harnessed (and they would simply follow the Viking). In a harness, animals would have their powerful attacks disabled (paw swipes, jumps, only headbutts) and would be unable to pursue enemies.

[fast void]

You should adjust your hope. 😬

[wintry bobcat]

I believe they’ve actively said that they won’t

Something about carts not being able to drive smoothly dragged by an animal due to the nature of the terrain

Which I can definitely see with how wonky current mount riding looks

[coarse idol]

Too bad. I'll have to resort to mods again.

[coarse idol]

Well, yes, riding a cart over uneven terrain and with a Viking isn't exactly smooth sailing, but that's why it has wooden wheels. On the other hand, it makes sense for building roads or leveling surfaces in the world.

[burnt forum]

@clever spear I really like the idea of NPCs in our villages! I understand the counters that it's supposed to be a 1 player journey and feel lonely, but it still would be a nice enhancement. Maybe it could be an option after the game is completed. In the Mistlands, I usually turn a Dverger tower into my base without killing the Dverger (by destroying the ward with eitr or a cart.) So then the Dverger become my roomies. Also, it sounds like you need to find a community server. 😄

[fast void]

Our job is to get in, kill the Forsaken, and get out.

If we spend time making villages and forming connections with NPCs with the knowledge that we are going to abandon them for eternity... that makes us the bad guys. And I would rather not have that on my conscience. 😭

[fathom sapphire]

Sooo... When? :3

xD

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/well-wellwellwell-funny-meme-well-in-that-case-gif-6131606860678598481

[fathom sapphire]

https://tenor.com/view/whoa-gif-9649197

[arctic wharf]

👏 10 points to griffindor

[shadow crow]

Oh Griffindor would absolutely try to sneak a horse into the afterlife >.>

[fast void]

Ravenclaw > All

[simple hound]

Gryfindor for me

[arctic wharf]

I am sadly hufflepuff

[peak bronze]

#suggestions message Look at world modifiers, you can lower the death penalty.

[fast void]

Also just... don't die.

[arctic wharf]

Saying just don't die is not the right response though 👀 this isn't dark souls.

[fast void]

"The right response"????????????

[runic plover]

An answer akin to "be better at the game" isn't exactly satisfactory to most people.

[wanton atlas]

or die less 🤔

[fast void]

Doesn't make it inherently "wrong."

[fast void]

Also valid.

[wanton atlas]

well.. between of lowering the difficulty level for all the 14,000,000 people who owns the game and likes it

or playing it on easier difficulty since we developers added difficulty sliders for when you might need them

[arctic wharf]

I would argue it is inherently wrong, since players are going to have drastically different skill levels and this game is far from one that demands getting so good that you never die.
Die less might be OK, but don't die at all is just unreasonable.

Respectfully of course, not trying to bicker

[fast void]

Is not inherently wrong 🤷‍♂️

[arctic wharf]

Well, guess we can disagree here.

[arctic wharf]

I do 100% agree the first step would be adjusting the settings for yourself if the default is too frustrating for you. They were obviosly added for this exact flexibility.

[lofty field]

Wrong or not, it certainly isn't helpful

[fast void]

That's subjective.

[arctic wharf]

[untold urchin]

Wrong sphere of the afterlife, anyway. Anyone who's ever worked with horses knows they all go back to hell where they came from. :V

But nah, vikings already have cavalry; they're called boats.

[runic plover]

I have never met anyone who found "get good" to be a helpful suggestion. Granted, you said "don't die," but in this context, that's basically the same thing. From what I've observed, most people find that kind of thing to be frustrating and they typically look poorly upon whoever said it.

[wet drift]

"Get good" makes perfect sense in a game that is about that.

Valheim is not, and the mechanics are not made in a way that would make it fun if it was.

That being said, yeah, just use the slider. Ask for the slider to be extended if it's not enough for you.

[eternal wyvern]

#suggestions message why?

[arctic wharf]

Was skill loss on death unlinked from items dropped on death in the settings?
I destinkedly remember suggesting this before the settings ever hit live knowing it would be a point of contention

Still would be ideal to be able to adjust that individually if not. (Which I believe it was not, can't check the game atm but the wiki suggests not)

[wanton atlas]

no..?

I've wanted them to be 2 diffrent sliders a long time aswell

[stuck lark]

idk if this has been suggested or answered before but do u guys never intiend adding or changing something to make getting elemental & blood magic levels abit earlier ?

or it would only supposed to be in that level only (mistalnds/ashalnds/deep north)

[wintry bobcat]

I think just in mistlands and onwards, because that's where a lot of the "magical" stuff arises. Fits in better in those late game biomes than something like meadows and plains

I'd love for them to nerf magic though. Even at low level its very powerful

[stuck lark]

it's just a way i thought of to link those skills with the general gameplay and not just locked behind all late game sutff

[languid ibex]

It isn't lost on the developers that players will inevitably have lower levels for magic skills, so the natural stats are seemingly a tad boosted, allowing ways to elevate that early or making it easier would potentially upset that balance.

[wintry bobcat]

It's a fair idea but imo it's just gonna make things more cluttery and also its gonna spoil that you unlock magic stuff later on in the game

[wintry bobcat]

Would that be a bad thing though? It can always be re-balanced and it makes more sense to me to have melee and magic weapons be able to reach the same stats at high level, rather than having melee cap out at noticeably lower stats than magic

Especially considering magic is much less risk for a pretty big return currently, in terms of playstyle

[stuck lark]

not really a spoiler more like a thing to look forward for

after thinking abit maybe the only way those levels (eleemntal & blood magic) getting leveled because of the usage of etir , ethier as food or weapon

should be called etir magic instied xD

[languid ibex]

A bad thing? Not necessarily, it can always be approached with a different logic. I just don't think approaching it with a new angle is a massive need, and considering the team's size, I wouldn't personally call for change surrounding this specific thing. At most I would ask for them to tweak the weapon stats slightly as they are.

[wintry bobcat]

Fair, some tweaks might be nice

I'd love for the bubble to also allow overkill damage to pass through, but I doubt that will happen

[lofty wave]

That wouldn't work well unless we get to see how much health the shield has remaining

and maybe some way of regenerating the health on it or manually destroying it so you're not stuck with a useless shield for 3 minutes

[wintry bobcat]

Mhm another change I'd like is for reusing shield to fully refresh its hp, and maybe some sort of bubble cracking visual as it gets to low hp

[wintry bobcat]

Alternatively, it could be cool to have a 10 second cooldown or something on the bubble

[lofty wave]

Overkill damage could be what creates that cooldown maybe

but then it would be optimal to break it on a weak hit
Still better than no cooldown though I guess

[languid ibex]

I love that idea

It'd still create enough punishing scenarios though

[lofty wave]

the bubble should get damage modifiers too so an attack with 300 pickaxe and chop but low player damage doesn't put you on 18 second cooldown

[static eagle]

this should be added 4 years ago, this is very humiliating that we dont have it to this day

[peak bronze]

@static eagle Why making that suggestion tho?

[static eagle]

we waiting for this update two years

[wanton atlas]

@static eagle we do not accept joke suggestions just so you know it

[static eagle]

stop tagging me

!!!

[wanton atlas]

🤔

don't break rules then

[winged fable]

its a reference

[wanton atlas]

ah

yea

[peak bronze]

Petty.

[wanton atlas]

I didn't even remember that

good memory

[eternal wyvern]

I don't think overkill damage going through necessitates us being able to see the shield's health.
Not that I don't think it's a good idea, I think the color slightly changing on the bubble as its health gets lower would be nice, but I don't think it's necessary to implement overkill damage going through. (I also doubt that this will happen)

[pure vine]

I do not understand. It's often suggested, but what's a joke about a ladder?
Oh, did the devs address the question of ladders at some point? I don't remember.

[wanton atlas]

multiple times

[pure vine]

Fair enough

[wanton atlas]

the 45 degree ladders already breaks immersion by pushing the player up

a straight ladder are horrible to try to make the animation look "nice enough"

[winged fable]

just give us the ship one

[wanton atlas]

the boats have straight ladders already, and you basicly "teleport" with them

[winged fable]

and they're not bad

[wanton atlas]

the problem with those, are you could teleport into objects with that technique

[pure vine]

Granted, yeah, it will need an animation to actually elevate a decent amount. And not just onto a boat.

[wanton atlas]

and you couldn't make a line upwards either since the game logic wouldn't know when it starts and stops in a multiple line of them

[pure vine]

Even from an aesthetic point of view, I wouldn't be terribly satisfied with just teleport ladders that are supposed to take you 2+ meters up.

[wanton atlas]

adding 100's of hours of programming and QA. just to make a cool ladder feature isn't well spent time when there are litterally 1000's of other bugs that could be fixed and optimizations to be done

[pure vine]

I call that fair enough. It is a matter that'll need its own coding.

[wanton atlas]

coding and a metric ton of animation work

[winged fable]

you are right about the optimization

[wanton atlas]

since your feets and hands needs to look good while holding it

[runic plover]

Nah, just T pose and float up the ladder. It'll be fine, right?

[pure vine]

the power of odin compels you

[wanton atlas]

just like all the FPS PS1 och PS2 games

[runic plover]

Speaking of, first-person camera when? (This is a joke, please don't smite me.)

[wanton atlas]

um. no

I've asked and the entire game would need a make over for that

all graphical assets would need to be re-made

[runic plover]

I like being able to see lots of things around me anyway. You'll never see me make a serious request for first-person camera in Valheim.

[barren oasis]

I feel like most people wouldn't mind if you hands missed the actual handles of the ladders

I'd be fine with my hands just clipping through into weird areas of the ladder

[fast void]

Just add wooden elevators. Simple. (JOKING DO NOT SMOOT ME)

💛

[shadow crow]

SMOOTEN! ⚡

[fast void]

😭

[pure vine]

I'm not joking, I would play 1st person without hesitation.

I'm... honestly a bit incredulous at them telling you that "all graphical assets would need to be re-made" over a first person view, but... well I guess that's what we get.

[runic plover]

I would occasionally use it if it was already in the game, but I'm not going to ask for it if it's that much of an issue to make.

[pure vine]

I've just always preferred 1st person myself, in most anything.

[runic plover]

I generally dislike first person melee combat. It's great for shooters, but I generally go third on anything else.

[wanton atlas]

FP melee is fun if you play mordhau

or a game which is ment for it

[pure vine]

Haven't played Mordhau, but I have played Chivalry. And Mount & Blade: Warband.
does Berserker perk in Killing Floor 2 count?

[languid ibex]

Mordhau is top tier, but I still prefer 3rd person ultimately

[lofty wave]

Valheim's combat needs so much movement and turning it would be so disorienting in first-person

first person dodge rolling would be funny though

[wanton atlas]

I prefear 3rd person aswell. FPS or sneaky games. I want usually in FPS tho

[arctic wharf]

Only really tight spaces like in burial chambers would truly benefit from first person anywho.

Imo not worth the time/effort investment, for sure.

For valheim, at least.

[wet drift]

@oblique gyro You're playing the wrong game then. This one is meant to be "empty", or mostly nature to be precise.

You don't need to explore everything, but traveling is an important part of the game, so some distances need to be far.

[rose swan]

I don’t think the world should be smaller, but there could be more things to fill in the gaps in the world/more things to discover.

I think Valheim is intended to be desolate, not empty 🤔

[oblique gyro]

Love the traveling. But there should be more places to travel to and more to discover out there. There’s not much incentive to explore. The sword fragments were a good idea… just a reason to get out in the world once in a while.

[fast void]

If you want something to be every 5m, allow me to introduce you to: Ashlands.

[lofty wave]

we need a special seed that makes the whole world all-biome

[fast void]

And when you touch the boss altar you can travel to the next all-biome world? 👀

[pulsar perch]

that would be cool

[lofty wave]

I don’t mean like that. With the way biomes work, a zone can have any combination of biomes. Every part of the world would be every biome simultaneously.

Then it wouldn’t feel empty

[pulsar perch]

ohhh so by the end everywhere would be raining, cold and misty /j

[arctic wharf]

My #1 ask has always been to inject a lot of new content throughout the whole of valheim that is specifically accessed only once you acquire items from later game biomes. (Mistlands, Ashlands, Deep North, just maybe a bit by the Plains)

This way the world would feel a little more full and connected + you would not just ignore 90% of the world by the time you get to the last few biomes.

[lofty wave]

I wouldn’t want to find something and then need to leave it alone until later

[arctic wharf]

I have my suggestions out there already ofc

[lofty wave]

Oak and birch trees exist already

[fast void]

Never stop needing berries, so always need to go back to the first 2.
Never stop needing iron, so always need to go back to 3.
If you're a frost arrow user, never stop needing to go back to 4.

Where are we ignoring 90% of the world again?

[arctic wharf]

It builds mystery though, and double excitement when you find an item with a description that sounds obvious enough to give you the ah ha moment.

My most favorite part of Zelda games, but that's just me

[arctic wharf]

This is true, to an extent.
Can go to old locations for already found barries (and it's nothing exciting).
Thankfully the devs did add iron sources to mistlands too 🤭

[fast void]

I am not thankful for that, lol.

[arctic wharf]

Just means I am less likely to need to boat any over from the swamp

[fast void]

Iron+Copper being in the Mistlands is in line with your "ignoring previous biomes" so I am not sure why you are thankful for it either 🤔

[arctic wharf]

Put it this way.
I am not looking for players to feel forced to always go all around every inch of the world.
But I am looking to keep some sense of there might just be something to find in the world worth looking for, even if you have already explored a fair amount of meadows, black forest, ext.

Will be extra effective with a bit of extra control to spawn perimeter, such as distance from spawn. This way you are more likely to find stuff while traveling to the far reaches of the land, and excited at the prospect of still finding stuff.

This is extra helpful for the final two biomes imo, since we need to go far and are likely to zone out all the way.

In the case of back tracking (specifically finding things you can't get into or interact with until later), well that has its own benefits that I mentioned.

[crimson dock]

The saddlebag idea is neat for the lox

They’re clunky and big and strong so they should help you haul resources

[silk lagoon]

new material like tar that's farmable that will unlock new variants of every wood type, maybe even heavy builds; like tar-but different, farmable somehow maybe some new windmill type build to process or maybe a windmill or water powered quarry of some sort. also just making it a plant is a simple solution but would be an endgame material. e.g: steel ((building exclusive)could also be used as a replacement for iron in some recipes due to the only way to get iron being really sucky

difficult raids that require thought out defences, and strategys maybe the enemy could use things like battering rams and etc. tameable mob that'll work somewhat like an army, or a build that will summon during raids or idk

[arctic wharf]

Random wishlist 👀

A bit incoherent and hard to understand, but I get the gist.

Maybe

[wet drift]

Theres a large gap between going back to do more of the same, and going back to do something new with your new equipment.

Mistlands iron adds a new way to do something, which in a way is a new thing to do.

It makes it so that multiple biomes might seem relevant at the same time, which to me is the ultimate goal of backtrack content.

[languid ibex]

It could done simply, such as adding a rare possibility for Sunken Crypt doors to generate within a Tomb/Burial Chamber, the player could make note of this, and using the Swamp Key could lead to hundreds of coins/piles of treasure/etc.

Not a massive effect on gameplay, but still rewarding.

[pure vine]

It is kind of annoying how restrictive the spacing limitation is with crafting upgrades.
#suggestions message

[languid ibex]

It's alright imo

[mellow crater]

In this case your upgrade station is right next to another one, I can’t see how to solve that without just removing the mechanic

[wintry bobcat]

It does feel a bit restrictive to me

Often hard to make things look nice because you can’t place things where you want

[pure vine]

That's precisely what I'm suggesting.
Remove the mechanic, I don't see what's important about it. Unless one object is physically blocking another, I don't see the point.

[mellow crater]

I think this is mostly about not allowing people to store every upgrade station in the corner of a room

[pure vine]

Oh no.
My rolling pins are within arms reach of my food prep surface.

I guess, but people bury their upgrades or otherwise hide them anyways.

I don't like doing that.
But I don't like having this arbitrary space limitation keeping me from decorating how I like.

[mellow crater]

Can completly understand that

[rose swan]

I don’t think the mechanic should be removed, but I wouldn’t be opposed to it being a bit less restrictive.

[pure vine]

I might accept that depending on to what degree it's scaled back.

[mellow crater]

Oh, hello TooMuchDogg ! How did you became Daddy3 ?

[rose swan]

My daughter was born a little while ago! So Smiffe changed my name, she’s my third child

[mellow crater]

3 already ! I think I remember when you were speaking about your wedding... I am really missing a lot of news here 🤣

[rose swan]

Since joining the Valheim server, I’ve met a woman, got engaged, bought a house with her, and now we have 2 kids together

[mellow crater]

I'm loosing the notion of time ahah

I just started my last 5 years of studies, others things didn't changed a lot in the meantime

🫶 to all of you, I'm going back to my studies (exams next week)

[frank badger]

You guys don't like cats huh

[shadow crow]

We love cats and that's why they don't belong in Viking Purgatory. They've already ascended like the badass little warriors they are

[frank badger]

Fair enough

[fast void]

Smiffe confirmed all cats go to Valhalla.

Yet another reason to beat the game. To be united with cats.

[frank badger]

Makes total sense

[frank badger]

Skål to that

[pure vine]

I love cats.

[lilac path]

and i LOVE cats

[fast void]

And I have cats 😏

[lilac path]

i do too~
only two though TvT

[fast void]

@sage crest I would alter the suggestion to have "have health regen still tick while sleeping."

In most cases it would achieve the same effect, but it would prevent the fringe cases of sleeping at the last possible moment and still getting a full heal.

[arctic wharf]

whew... I am about to have my first child as well now 😅

[peak bronze]

When is due? 👀

[arctic wharf]

about 4 to 5 months from now. Halfway done baking

[fast void]

Don't sleep. It will burn.

😏

[runic plover]

I have one that came out of the oven 8 years ago, myself. He's actually started playing Valheim in recent months.

[rose swan]

Ayyyy that’s awesome man! Congrats 🍾

[pure vine]

Valheim family!

Mum loves Valheim. Been playing it with her.

[peak bronze]

Nice, my oldest is also counting when he get to play lol.

[wintry bobcat]

When does he get to play?

[peak bronze]

Dunno. I have quite old Xbox One which might not be optimal to play it.

Kinda thinking about replacing it, maybe the console Steam is going to release but we shall see how pricey it will be.

[grand sable]

the hyperbolic tendencies of this community leaves some to be desired ‼️

[weak sinew]

I sadly only have 2 cats as well, but I play Valheim with someone that has 5 and someone that has 12 cats!

[languid ibex]

@cosmic flower Higher armor rating is a set bonus, the special bonus effects are a balancing element of having a low armor rating.

[fast void]

I entirely disagree with that. But I can't agree with the suggestion because of what he added after the simple give more armors bonuses part...

[languid ibex]

So what would you say is the reason that heavy armors don't have special effects?

[fast void]

Because they have not felt like adding them yet.

[languid ibex]

I sincerely doubt they would leave every heavy set bonus for last minute testing and rebalancing. That's just me though.

[cosmic flower]

Higher armor rating is a Heavy Armor property not a set bonus, unless specified as Set Bonus: Provides X extra armor for equipping the whole set.

At least thats how I view it now that we have some sets with Set Bonuses and some without. Together with the Mage/Light/Heavy property with different speed penalties and armor amounts.

[stiff stag]

They meant that the higher armor values take the place of set bonuses as a balancing choice. Like overall that is what you're getting for a full set is the combined armor amount of all 3 pieces. Let's take the wolf set and compare it with the fenris set. If we make their armor values the same, a set bonus for the wolf set would then look like +30 armor (if we ignore the wolf cape). And iron armor compared to root armor would be akin to a set bonus of +18 armor. Giving them set bonuses on top of that would require reducing their armor amounts accordingly to keep it balanced, which goes against the entire point of those sets.

[arctic wharf]

I would question weather it is balancing or just simplicity born from not wanting to have to design bonuses for every armor set.
Wouldn't be the first time that they chose to keep it simple for one reason or another.

🤔

I don't think every armor needs a set bonus of course, but I could also agree there is still enough breathing room for the devs to decide to add a handful more to new/existing armor if they wanted to.

[runic plover]

I certainly wouldn't argue with bronze getting something, since bear and troll are so close to it in defense anyway.

[runic plover]

Likewise, a set bonus for plains heavy armor would be appropriate, since there isn't any light armor in that biome at all.

[shadow crow]

New Plains light armor suggestion: deathsquito-wing armor

[fast void]

Higher armor isn't balanced against set bonuses, it is balanced against the movespeed reduction.

Set bonuses are a separate entity.

[languid ibex]

Sure there is, but I won't spoil it if you've yet to discover it.

[languid ibex]

Higher armor is exactly this, phrasing alongside "Set Bonus:" isn't necessary, but it would still be a similar result. Set Bonus: +114 Armor Rating would for example be the carapace set.

[lofty wave]

A set bonus is what’s only added with a full set, not the combined effects of each individual piece

[languid ibex]

Armor Rating is very strong across the board, and not just movement speed is considered when determining these values.

[languid ibex]

I understand, but that rating can only be achieved with a full set, this is why I phrased it this way initially.

When I'd stated that the armor rating is the set bonus.

Not exactly saying a set is needed, but more so pointing to the fact that the high armor rating is already giving large benefit.

[autumn idol]

I do think it would be nice to see heavy armor sets have small bonuses of some sort

They just feel very bland in their current form

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message what would be the point of having limited storage space if you can just dump whatever you want directly onto the boat?

[wet drift]

How about items dropped on the boat just go into storage, if possible.

Then there would still be limited space, but less items would be lost by just facing through the floor.

[rose swan]

Drakkar becomes a Volture funnel

[wet drift]

Ocean combat already sucks. If enemies killed above the boat at least had their items obtainable without swimming in the boil, that doesn't sound too bad to me.

[rose swan]

I like your idea, sounds neat 🤔
Personally I don’t mind how it currently works, but I wouldn’t be bummed to see your idea implemented.

[lament zinc]

#suggestions message It's a cape, not a glider.
For that thing you need to play another game, like one having ||Superman|| in its title.

[oak fulcrum]

I mean it glides becouse its magical not because its a glider and I didn't say you be able to fly with it just it feels like its chaging angle while gliding

[languid ibex]

You probably run out of stamina mid air

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message if they had any intent to add a flametal pickaxe it would have already existed in the first place.

[rain snow]

nuh uhhhh i dont think so isnt the black metal pickaxe added after mistlands ?

[languid ibex]

Yeah it was, there's little point in assuming what they will or will not add, but that also somewhat plays into suggesting the Flametal Pickaxe. Surely they would've decided that by now.

[hasty kestrel]

It's entirely possible there will be a flametal pickaxe, we just don't have the materials to make it yet (i.e; it uses a new kind of wood that we don't have)

there was a similar situation with the blackmetal axe, we had it for a while before the pickaxe was added, because the pickaxe uses yggdrassil wood which didn't exist until mistlands was added

[rain snow]

yeah to be honest you are pretty right about it but even tho i think a player suggesting it is like there is need of a faster pickaxe more efficient its still devs choice but even knowing this this suggested isnt meaningles i think

[languid ibex]

Yeah I agree, when I say little point, I'm also coming to a conclusion, but even I will acknowledge there is at least a small reason for doing so. Ultimately I really just don't agree with saying it would have already existed if they intended on making it, because the game isn't finished yet.

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/the-bugs-bunny-and-roadrunner-movie-the-bugs-bunny-and-road-runner-movie-wile-e-coyote-wileecoyote-coyote-gif-4402928972645916704

[glad cargo]

Tbh, having a Flametal Pickaxe being necessary to mine special ice from Deep North would make a ton of sense, similar to what Skyrim did with the Stahlrim.

[lament zinc]

#suggestions message

IMHO this rework would require a lot of time that is better spend to finish the Deep North and to do other optimalisations and bug removal.
Not to mention, the skill system in this game is designed in such a way that a player should be able to defeat each boss with zero skill at all.
Each biome is designed in such a way that the biome's boss can be defeated with that biome's tier 1 armor and weapons.

The current skill system is designed to support the player. Not to have a mandatory level before something can be done.

[hushed sinew]

I'm not a programmer but it doesn't sound that hard does it? I thought about this while playing Kenshi (another survival game) which has a way deeper exp system : your exp skill depends on the ennemy exp skill and not on his global level. Bigger char to deal with. I think you don't really answer to the problem : of course we can find a way to kill all bosses no hit with no food no armor and no skill, but the thing is that the exp system is suboptimal, so why not looking to make it better?

[rose swan]

I really like the toddler/boxer analogy

[hasty kestrel]

The "devs should prioritize X over your suggestion" argument is a non-starter. Deep North is getting worked on regardless, and the skill system does need a look at.
1 instance of a hit awarding 1 point of skill exp is... Not a great system. You end up with situations like the staff of frost turning into a power-levelling machine for no reason other than it having a high rate of fire, or being able to train bows to max in a day by building a lox pit in the plains and spamming uncharged arrows into it with an unupgraded finewood bow (not that I'm complaining about the latter).
Something like what Parpaing is suggesting would be an improvement, but in the case of bows I'd argue the exp awarded per shot should also factor in the charge of the shot, with a full charged hit awarding more and an uncharged hit awarding less.
edit: spelling/grammar

[pure vine]

It would be nice if picking on things your own size or greater yielded higher combat experience.
Perhaps the T.W.I.G. would be the exception to this.

Also yeah, priority is obvious but not a reason to permanently dismiss something by itself. By that logic, don't suggest anything 'til Deep North is done. Or the next major development if there is one after that. Etc.

[rose swan]

This is probably going to sound a bit harsh, but I don’t know if Irongates balancing of the skill system is much good. TWIG imo was a strange addition and encouraged a boring way to level up combat skills. The target is a bit better for sure, but you can still just sit there and spam arrows (which are returned to you, by the way) and level up. Same with wooden weapons- kinda strange additions to the game with little to no use.

I guess what I’m getting at is- I wouldn’t be opposed to some further tweaks to the skill system, but perhaps it’s for the best it isn’t touched further? 🤔

I don’t know, we’ll see!

[pure vine]

Boxing for a bit with T.W.I.G. every now and then while vibing around the base is fun at least. Skill gain is still slow, but it's nice that it throws out three different attacks at different speeds to keep you on your toes with parrying.
They're fun enough to play with I think.

I forgot about the target. Want to set one at my base next time to shoot at.

As for tweaks to XP gain, it's something I consider nice to have but not really important.
I'd prefer weapon types be proliferated across biome tiers, like an atgeir for ashlands gear, to continue using polearms or other missing weapons if the player would prefer.

[languid ibex]

I think only some skills need tweaks, but perhaps there's a way to address this utilizing T.W.I.G. a bit more?

Wooden Weapons could have a halved attack speed, allowing for players to train that weapon's skills twice as fast.

It would make sense, and give them a bit more of a permanent usage.

[hasty kestrel]

T.W.I.G is a fun meme item but I'm not a fan of skill leveling mechanics that have all the gameplay depth of cookie clicker

[languid ibex]

I mean it's not exactly necessary, but even before T.W.I.G. the most optimal route was essentially what you're describing.

At least with T.W.I.G. players can simultaneously train things like parry timing, dodge timing, and reading attack patterns. Not to mention leveling Dodge/Block all the while.

[lament zinc]

And what would shooting 12K arrows at a rock being like then?

[hasty kestrel]

A shortcut to becoming OP, that I already said should probably be changed?

[rose swan]

Would’ve been interesting introduce a trinket that had an effect that increases exp gain- like some sort of training band or something. This way, the player would theoretically train by fighting monsters via adrenaline gain as opposed to a training dummy.

[languid ibex]

I'm not so sure, the training dummy does help newer players with timing, I've guided at least two people to crafting one so they could learn how to parry. It resulted in both of them finally finding parry timing and how to become consistent with it.

There is in inherent way that trinkets can benefit skill gain should you choose, with the stamina regen allowing players to train for longer intervals.

[rose swan]

Why couldn’t they learn to parry against enemies? 🤔

On the trinket part- yeah I agree, but that’s more of a side effect of stamina management in general.

[languid ibex]

They could it's just far less risk involved to focus on finding the timing.

Even with perfect stamina management you will eventually hit a wall, chaining trinket regen allows for virtually endless training when done alongside well timed dodges.

[rose swan]

Hmm maybe that’s where my thoughts are- generally speaking I think there should be at least some risk involved in leveling-up (strictly in the context of combat skills that is, both in-game and ‘gamer’ skills lol)

[arctic wharf]

I actually agree with you completely... the whole sit there for hours grinding skills is the exact kind of gameplay I would prefer be avoided in favor of more naturally pushing players to the engaging and fun content, and yet Irongate does not seem to see it as a detractor from Valheim hehe.

My goodness, I am not about to fully dive into the skills discussion again though

Best to leave it at (I have wholeheartedly thought skills need some attention to better fit the role in the game the devs have stated they wanted them to)

For a long time

[lament zinc]

That's the whole thing with the current skill setup; you don't need to grind for hours on a skill.

Like I said before both here and in other channels; the game is set up in such a way that you can defeat any boss without having a single skill in a weapon. And even with the first tier of the weapon and armor of that biome.

So if people are grinding a skill because they think level 100 will benefit them a lot more as fighting with level 33; the problem isn't the skill distribution system, the problem are those players.

It's their choice to grind a skill, not that one of the devs.

Edit: skills come naturaly anyway. One of the main pillars of this game's foundation is exploring.
Exploring usually means confrontations with monsters from that biome.
Confrontations usually mean fighting and killing them, using blocking, dodge-rolling and weapons.. Or running away.
Every time you do that, you will increase in that skill.
So there's no need to grind skills; as they will increase over time anyway.

And the best way to prevent skill loss is still avoiding death.

[shadow crow]

I just wish cooking skill was quicker to raise.

[arctic wharf]

Just because you don't NEED to worry about skills (which I don't, I try to ignore their existence), it doesn't mean they couldn't do a better job of being a supporting system that reinforces your gameplay positively.

[languid ibex]

Personally I just train weaponry every so often, and T.W.I.G. has been a good outlet for downtime in Valheim, like when I'm waiting for Mead to brew, smelting metal, etc.

I think if Wooden Weaponry had faster attack speed, that could reward a player who does train their skills, and of course, no one is feeling much squeeze in Valheim where they feel the need to sit at a training dummy for hours.

[hasty kestrel]

#suggestions message
The difference in kill time you're experiencing is because Yagluth has really high resistance to pierce damage. I think the fang spear is already very powerful as it is, especially considering how relatively easy it is to craft.

[formal bobcat]

the fang spear has silver in it and it doesent apply's the spirit damage to undead and demons as the silver sword .it's an unbalance to the class and it's weird because it forces you to switch to another weapon and to have to level it also.

[shadow crow]

The spear head is made out of a tooth; the silver never makes contact with the target so why should it inflict spirit damage?

That said, not opposed to a silver-tipped spear

[hasty kestrel]

every weapon isn't going to be excellent against every enemy, the fang spear excels at piercing damage but some things are resistant to that, having different tools for different jobs is part of the game

[formal bobcat]

not a fan of playing multi class and that is stil part of the game ,i also like to role play so .... i belive that if the spear has a silver portion in it , it can have a small amount of spirit damage . on the wiki the fang spear and flesh rippers dont have spirit damage but the other do and the spirit number damage differ for each item.

i wasn't trying to prove a point ,i love the game and wish the best for it. cheers to all.

[peak bronze]

Fang spear could stay as it is (very cheap spear requiring very little metal) and new silver spear could be added (requiring more metal and thus dealing additional spirit).

And as bonus could share the model of Ancient bark spear which is very good looking one.

[wintry bobcat]

Though I agree it’s odd that the silver doesnt add spirit damage, I think it’s balanced fine currently. Different weapon classes get different advantages

For example swords have the advantage of most enemies not being resistant to slash so they can be used nearly everywhere

Spears become rough to use against a lot of enemies due to pierce resist, but in return they level likr 3x as fast as a sword, are generally very cheap to craft and upgrade, gives you a ranged option, attacks quickly leaving you vulnerable for shorter time, etc.

If you don’t like playing multi class best option would be to go with a sword or mace. Game isn’t really made to use one weapon only, but if you want you can still do so pretty fine with those

[wanton atlas]

@sinful forge so mobs should ignore you if you run naked without any kind of armor or weapons also?

[stiff stag]

Greydwarves are the only ones I would really want something like that for, since they end up just being a major nuisance/annoyance (namely being pelted and pushed around by rocks when trying to do stuff) when you reach the point where they are no longer a threat. Though in that case I would rather have something that eliminates knockback in situations like that.

[wintry bobcat]

Is that really a grey dwarf specific thing? I feel like other mobs push you the same without doing much damage. Just feels like a lot of people set up in meadows near black forests and then encounter greydwarves and greylings a lot

[sinful forge]

I meant more like being tied to which bosses you'd killed

But I guess? Idunno, everyone seemed to hate the idea

It just feels annoying to be farming stuff in meadows or black forest when you're already up to Ashlands and these damn greylings are harassing you

[stiff stag]

The main problem with the concept is simply that the enemies would have no way of knowing which bosses you've killed, nor would they have any reason to care, thus not having any precedent to avoid you regardless of how far you've progressed. A lot of enemies also don't have the capacity to fear you. They'll watch you mow down hordes of their own kind (seeing first hand how strong you are) and keep rushing in without a care in the world.

[wet drift]

A feature that a lot more rpgs should concider.

I do not care much for it in Valheim though. It wouldn't be bad, just kinda whatever.

[fast void]

If you're wearing later gear, they deal 0 damage to you after mitigation. Or they deal damage that is entirely healed by your natural regen.
So in effect you can ignore them if you're Mistlands+.

[eternal wyvern]

I've always played under the assumption that most of these monsters don't have the capacity to think, reason etc. If this were in place, it would feel a bit weird because a greydwarf is just evil in rot brought to life. Thankfully, you can use light armor and fast striking weapon from late game to make earlier biomes less annoying. A favorite combo of mine whenever I explore anything Plains- is full fenris set with Skol & Hati.

[wanton atlas]

@stuck lark I remember it being a issue with how arabic was written from right to left being an issue with the translation being possible 🤔

[stuck lark]

yea , I understand RTL languages can add complexity , but are there plans to support Arabic or other RTL languages later? or would that delay alot of others things ?

[fast void]

-# I'm so used to the RTS acronym that for a minute there I thought Arabic was classed as a Real Time Language 😭

[rain snow]

this man speaking facts agreeed.

[simple hound]

@scenic spear Just a reminder marking up the size of the text with ## or other variations is disabled here. That's why your post is being flagged and deleted instantly by the bot 😛

[peak bronze]

-# Didn't listen.

[languid ibex]

@hasty kestrel There's so many more variables involved than just the damage of the primary attacks.

[hasty kestrel]

such as?

[peak bronze]

Stagger multiplier, knockback, block armor for example.

[languid ibex]

Attack speeds, stagger, block force, knockback... exactly 👆

[hasty kestrel]

ok, so which of those specifically are you arguing specifically justify the extra 10% movement penalty?

[languid ibex]

The stagger and knockback of the secondary alone would do that for me personally, but my point is that comparing two stats is definitely a bit of an underwhelming argument.

[hasty kestrel]

Take Skullsplittur for instance, it has slightly more stagger and knockback. That's still not gonna make me ever craft it over a Krom, because 10% less movement speed is just not worth it

[languid ibex]

I massively prefer battleaxes to the 2h swords, the amount of crowd control and flexibility in battle with the secondary is virtually unmatched in my eyes.

[hasty kestrel]

I was using those stats as an example. 2 handed axes don't seem to have any major advantage over 2 handed swords.

[hasty kestrel]

how do battleaxes do either of those jobs better than 2 handed swords

[peak bronze]

2h swords are better suited for bigger opponents and battleaxes for crowds.

[languid ibex]

I'm assuming because you saw bigger damage you've yet to really utilize a battleaxe? The secondary is essentially instant, is fantastic for building stagger, and pushes enemies way back. In scenarios where you might be surrounded, such as a fortress in the Ashlands, you'll go untouched so long as you turn to address your closest enemy.

[hasty kestrel]

ok, I still don't see it's secondary justifying the movespeed penalty, when in places like the ashlands where you're going to get flanked from multiple angles. 10% maybe, but 15% is still too steep

[languid ibex]

Utilizing Ratatosk Mead with a battleaxe turns most combat scenarios into a situation where you've got nothing to concern yourself with, it'd be far too powerful with that movement freedom consistently in my opinion.

[peak bronze]

Note also for skill levels, they alter in max and min damage dealt with each hit.

[hasty kestrel]

"just ratatosk" is not an argument. If you ratatosk with fenris you're near untouchable, that doesn't mean they should nerf it

[rose swan]

#BattleaxeGang

[hasty kestrel]

and it's very easy to get enough ratatosk to just be able to pop them at will

[languid ibex]

I never said that, I'm mentioning it because it would emulate what you want to a degree.

[rose swan]

Ratatoskr is basically a permanent buff for me

[hasty kestrel]

I'm fully aware of ratatosk, it shouldn't be a requirement to use a weapon without it being annoying

[languid ibex]

I'm not saying it's a requirement, I'm saying using it alongside a battleaxe showcases how powerful that movement freedom is when using a battleaxe.

[hasty kestrel]

like it's almost pointless to wear full heavy armor while using a battleaxe or greathammer, a movespeed penalty that heavy is a liability in the ashlands

[languid ibex]

Yeah I just can't agree with that, Battleaxe handles most engagements with ease, and speed returns to normal when sheathed.

I never felt hindered in the slightest, and even when Crystal Battleaxe was my only option for Ashlands, it absolutely handled everything.

[peak bronze]

Nowadays I just think that if sledges were changed to have primary attack combo and secondary attack I would use them more often.

Which is why I made this suggestion: #suggestions message

[hasty kestrel]

well I've never been in a situation that I thought would have been easier to handle with a battleaxe then the greatsword I was using

and a poke with a knockback just doesn't justify a 10% extra move speed penalty

like Krom has a poke too, that does a tonne of damage instead, it's basically the same attack but different utility, so where does the extra 10% move speed reduction come from?

[languid ibex]

I'm just explaining my experiences/opinions really, if that doesn't land with you at all, all well and good. Just an agree to disagree scenario.

[hasty kestrel]

no worries, just feels like some arbitrary math to me. This bigweapon is heavy, but this big weapon isn't 🤷‍♂️

[languid ibex]

That attack takes over twice as long, and leaves you vulnerable with it's range.

[hasty kestrel]

yeah but it also hits like a truck, with both damage and stagger

[languid ibex]

Right, but two Battleaxe secondaries does more of each.

[hasty kestrel]

two battleaxe secondaries

[languid ibex]

Yes, which is still faster than the one Greatsword secondary.

[hasty kestrel]

if your concern is dps

[languid ibex]

You're already controlling your enemy with the first hit as well.

[hasty kestrel]

if you want a burst, krom is better

[languid ibex]

Right, which plays into the points made above, where crowd control is where it truly shines.

[hasty kestrel]

also you can sprint-jump into it

[languid ibex]

That's a lot of stamina cost for one move to be fair.

[hasty kestrel]

ok, so two weapons in pretty much the same weight class with two different utilities, doesn't really explain why they should have wildly different movement penalties to me

[languid ibex]

There's just a lot more vulnerability surrounding the Greatsword, where the Battleaxe almost mitigates danger around enemies, and that degree of movement freedom almost trivializes the dangers of Valheim. In my opinion that is why the approach is different, and even then, there are options to sidestep these problems entirely.

[hasty kestrel]

I don't see the difference in vulnerability, both have sweeping attacks that cleave with no damage penalty, the main difference is the secondary

[languid ibex]

It's a large difference when Battleaxe's secondary becomes a main tool.

Most Battleaxe users will secondary into primary on any engagement, because you're likely to stagger on secondary and demolish with the second hit.

[peak bronze]

Sword hitboxes can be wonky tho, even though 2h swords don't have MTP anymore they don't always register all the targets inside their hitbox if some are too close, but with battleaxes the hits always connect within their hitbox.

[lofty wave]

That's because they can't hit through objects but the battleaxe can

[arctic wharf]

valheim combat in melee usually consists of stagger stunlocking 👀

Spin to win 💸

[rose swan]

#suggestions message Giving a new player too large of a building catalogue too early in the game might be overwhelming 🤔

[languid ibex]

Gotta love the "more" suggestions. 😅

[wanton atlas]

indeed

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/spinning-cat-gif-1175703927588788964

[peak bronze]

My younger one loves that.

[languid ibex]

Images you can hear.

[arctic wharf]

I had it play in my head too haha

It's a bit funny to me because my last made suggestion was actually about the stagger mechanic

[toxic path]

Add achievements on Steam

[wanton atlas]

comming at 1.0

we said multiple times already 🙂

[toxic path]

Cool

[wanton atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxX_QHay02M
this one?

[toxic path]

thanks

[wanton atlas]

@peak bronze This version ^ ?

[spiral ice]

One thing missing from this conversation is the fact that battleaxes and greatswords are basically defensive/offensive counterparts of each other. Both are two-handed, long reach, sweeping, slow-swinging weapons.

Greatsword does more damage but swings slightly slower. It's secondary is for raw damage on a single target, and its slow attacks require pressing forward into the enemy (making you more vulnerable to attack if you don't kill/stagger the target).

Battleaxe has lower damage, but its swings deal +50% stagger. This can be a game-changer, as it lets you stagger-lock and kill even 2-star seekers in relative safety (with Skull Splittur). The axe is less about pressing the attack and more about positioning: the first swing has a very long wind-up, but quick follow-up swings. Many enemies you face in the same biome as you acquired the battleaxe will stagger in that first hit. Thus, you jump into position while swinging, and suddenly everything in front of you is staggered, and the follow-up swings kill them. The secondary is a poke that staggers most enemies and keeps them off of you (less effective against bruiser-type enemies).

TLDR: Greatswords are for pressing the attack, and battleaxes are for holding your ground. While 15% movement penalty does kinda suck, it makes sense in the role that the battleaxe plays.

[ornate plover]

biggest problem with 2h sword for me is if you stagger parry you dont even get 1 attack in with bonus dmg can go 1h and bucler and do more dmg than 2h feels wrong

[wintry bobcat]

For me battleaxes are better. They have:

• +50% stagger on primary attacks
• +50% stagger per second on secondary attacks (with how OP stagger is either through stagger damage or parries, this is pretty significant)
• Quick attack option if you're in a bind
• Better hitbox
• Better attack speed (faster to pull off full combo, and the combo is frontloaded on time compared to 2h swords which are backloaded)
• Can chop wood without sacrificing an additional inventory slot and crafting materials

But I do think the weapons, particularly 2 handed ones, need some work. 2hand swords could use a buff or at least some differentiation because they feel very similar to 1H swords, just worse. And atgeir just feels like it outclasses everything due to its OP secondary attack

Also 5% speed penalty on 2h weapons doesn't really make sense to me, they seem pretty heavy (a 2h sword certainly looks heavier than a 1h one). Would make more sense with a 10% penalty or even 15%.

[spiral ice]

@wintry bobcat @hasty kestrel I will say though, my only complaint about battleaxes is the high knockback on the secondary attack. That can make follow-up attacks hard to land unless the target has a long stagger time.

[wintry bobcat]

Yeah I think people tend to use it more for the knockback against small enemies to get distance, or for the stagger against bigger enemies that they can't/don't want to attempt parrying and which don't take much knockback

Personally I hate all knockback on melee weapons which is also why I'm not a fan of maces despite them having real good stagger

[shadow crow]

I'm a fan of knockback against greylings. I enjoy punting them for distance 😹

[arctic wharf]

What would the props even be 🤔 not the trophies obviously, since you can just pop a single one on an item stand.

[runic plover]

A new decorative item that records all your farthest greylings punts.

[hushed ledge]

You mean the water not the lava right?

[analog patio]

It might be nice to have such a trinket give extra heat resistance, though I don't think full immunity would be wise.

Also, maybe it should be acquired from the Deep North(when it comes out), for progression's sake.

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message I believe that's just some of the doorways in burial chambers in general causing the problem, since I often see skeletons get stuck on them. And because it's a coin toss on whether the conditions line up for the issue to be observed, it's very likely the higher rate you're seeing has nothing to do with the changes and is rather just a coincidence. Let's say I flip a coin 10 times and get 5 heads and 5 tails. Now if I switch to a new coin and happen to get 10 heads in a row, that doesn't necessarily mean the new coin had anything to do with it, since it's a rare outcome that could have happened with the first coin as well. I haven't payed much attention but I don't believe I've observed any notable difference in the behavior since ghosts were changed.

[rain snow]

Me too XD

[wanton atlas]

the inner kid in me wants a level 100 baseball bat as revenge for all my crops those bastard greylings have destroyed over the years

[languid ibex]

It would feel nice to see someone Catapult some Greylings to a far away land.

[rain snow]

so i am talking about this with people for a while and to be honest i always thought battleaxes are soo weak but its seems i was playing them wrong but even

tho i think they are still a bit weeker then most weapon and i dont think being able to stagger more is effective as we think at some of the situations

and if you fighting against high star mobs you probably not gonna get the stagger or higher difficulties

soo anyway most of the players i talked about it didnt had a (cant get a major opinion) popular opinion about its damage is low or something

but as i see most of the players dont find %15 movement speed understandeable its just too much i had a suggestion that making battleaxes %10 at least %12 and sledges %15

i am still on the same side about it i have used 2H swords a lot and i can say that even if 2 handed swords nerfed like %5-8 i think they will still perform so much better than battleaxes

there is too many down sides of using a battleaxe over other weapons anyway

primary first attack speed so slow that you are usualy have to start the combo with a parry or secondary there is jump and attack way too but consuming stamina meaninglessly

Movement speed reduction so high that you are having such a harder time positioning with it

for mistland tier İf you use a shield and a weapon instead you can parry 195 without levels with a 1 level buckler but only 128 with a skullsplittur

using 6 stamina more than mistwalker

and could be added more

[wintry bobcat]

I’d agree with the movement speed comments. Battleaxes used to be (-20%?) movement speed and it felt so bad, I never used them. 15% also feels like quite a bit, wouldn’t mind it being 10-12%

I disagree with the starred enemy / difficulty comment

I play pretty much exclusively very hard (sometimes hard) and it makes it impossible if not at least very difficult to parry a lot of enemies, but you can still stagger them pretty well which is my primary use of the battleaxe (often times I’ll also use fist weapons, but those aren’t available in all the same biomes as battleaxes). The stagger is life saving and actually allows me to challenge big brutes like fuling berserkers

If you know how to parry and are playing on a difficulty where it’s viable though, stagger damage isn’t really needed. 1h and shield will usually just win out (unless abusing atgeir which has insane stagger)

[wintry bobcat]

I like the slower initial hit and fast later hits compared to 2h swords. Allows me to charge up a hit while enemies are running at me, and then once they get into range quickly unload full 3 hit combo

[rain snow]

you can stagger the fueling berserkers in very hard dificulty not sure but last time i tried as i remember i couldnt

[rain snow]

yeah definitly buckler plus a onehanded weapon outclass nearly everything except bow and atgeirs secondary

[rain snow]

yeah to be honest because of the battleaxes first attack's speed so slow its grants you more control i like that part but

when i was last time using it against a starred berserker in hard difficulty because of the first attack speed i had very harder time

to be honest in valheim you dont get a chance to use that crowd control advantage a lot and the atgeirs secondary so op it out classes it i think all the enemies that you could need a lot of area control are not resistant to pierce so its keeps atgeirs viable (Greydwarfs wolfs fulings)

one of the main reason i am sad and mad about it its a viking game and until the ashlands axes wasnt a good choice so i am just sad i want to have a more reliable axe in early game

so i have made sugestion about adding frost to crystal battleaxe it could make it sooo much more viable and yeah now they added 2 more battleaxes so its not a problem anymore but back than we had only 2 and best one was crystal i think its not needed anymore 😄

But still they need a bit more buff they are still lower performancing than most of the weapons

and they cost a lot

[eternal wyvern]

#suggestions message wrong channel, not a suggestion

[rain snow]

uhm its not a suggestion it was about an old suggestion not suggesting talking about it i think you missunderstood

[rain snow]

do you also think making its first attack faster could harm the weapons own fighting system ?

[eternal wyvern]

what?

[rain snow]

i didnt suggested anything here
i talked about an old suggestion

[eternal wyvern]

did you click the suggestion I was referring to? nvm it was a joke anyway

[rain snow]

ups man my bad 😭

i though it was like a link to channel i didnt think it was a link of a suggestion in the channel

[eternal wyvern]

it's all good, I wasn't being serious anyway, just playing on their own "this is less of a suggestion"

On another note I think #suggestions message is pretty useless. You should be required to cross over to Ashlands on the boat at least once for the challenge of it, and after that there's not any reason to go into the boiling waters anyway.

[wintry bobcat]

With fully upgraded vilebone maulclaws and decent fist skill I believe you can stagger them in one secondary hit (not battleaxe related but still)

With blackmetal battleaxe I think you should be able to stagger it with 2 secondary attacks. Maybe 3 if its a low lvl axe / your skill is low

Only way I fight berserkers is through stagger

[wintry bobcat]

tbh I don't use the primary attack a lot. I think it being slow is good because it differentiates it from other weapons. For example if you speed it up it starts feeling more like 2 handed swords

I do think the primary feels a tad finnicky to me which I dislike, but maybe that's by design. A lot of the time against smaller enemies if you're not pushing them against a wall, the first hit gives them just enough knockback for the second hit to miss, but not enough knockback to push them far enough away to prevent them from being a danger. It can be mitigated by good spacing and understanding knockback on slopes, using walls, facing bigger enemies, etc. but overall it makes me not use the primary too much.
I think I do use it a fair bit in dungeons though, as the enclosed space makes it pretty ideal

But yeah generally axes fall short on the combat side of things compared to other weapons, I think they're more for the budget-friendly viking that doesn't wanna fill their inventory with 20 different pieces of gear and use the materials to make that gear

[wet drift]

A 4* creature would basically always oneshot while also being a sponge.

We do not have the mechanical agency to make that fun. This is not a game built for you to dodge everything.

At the same time, it would also make things like wolf cheesing way more powerful as well.

[wintry bobcat]

Also if you really wanna fight 4 star enemies, just upping your difficulty to Vhard would probably be a better way of going about that

[stuck lark]

dame insta thumbsdown 🫠 😔

[wintry bobcat]

You win some you lose some. I liked your fins of destiny suggestion

[wanton atlas]

at the end of the day. the upvotes / downvotes don't mean much when it comes to if it will be liked by my collegues or not

[spiral ice]

@wintry bobcat @rain snow One other thing about battleaxes is leveling up your axe skill in preparation for the Berserkir Axes. 😄
I did that in a playthrough where I used battleaxes from Swamp-Mistlands. I'd use protection bubble and cleave through just about everything in the Mistlands. Then when I hit Ashlands, I had axe skill around level 50-60.

ThoughI totally understand that battleaxes don't suit everyone (I didn't like them until that specific playthrough).

[wintry bobcat]

mhmm

Though personally I don't use berserkir axes much because I can't parry much with them, as compared to carapace buckler which not only has a wild amount of parry armor but also gives you double adrenaline on parries 😍

Also I'm that one weird guy that doesn't stick to 1-2 weapon classes to have high skills, but get bored of a weapon quickly so I switch weapons every biome.

End up getting most the weapon skills up to 50+

[glad cargo]

I'm doing a playthrough with a mod that allows up to 5 star enemies of any kind, I can testify. 4* Fulings and Stone Golems aren't fun to go against, at all. Although it's nice to fight something that can't be staggered or parried

I think the current implementation is fine, and more than 2 star enemies should stay in the modding world

[eternal wyvern]

I think I had a 40+ 👍 on a suggestion before a server wipe. Not that it matters but still nice to see if people'd be down for it ya know

[wintry bobcat]

Can you explain what the reasoning for wanting stars rather than upping difficulty is?

Just want then to give more drops and feel like “bullet” sponges?

[wet drift]

More stars would be difficulity variety. Not the same as everything being up.

[wintry bobcat]

Ah so sometimes you come across a greydwarf that gets a heart attack from you looking in its direction, sometimes you come across a greydwarf that can oneshot you. I can see that, but yeah that doesn’t sound good for vanilla

[rose swan]

There would have to be a change in specific enemies beyond just higher to justify anything more than 2-star in my opinion. Like a 3-star greydwarf dealing poison damage, or a 3-star wolf having an increased movement speed. Stuff like that.

[spiral ice]

I cheesed Blood Magic to level 100 with AFK farming and used the lightning axes with bubble shield. It was a ton of fun, though I died twice in the Ashlands. 😄

[rain snow]

i think i should test it again its seems

[rain snow]

yeah they are a little bit weak only because balancement issues but you know its a viking game and its a PvE game i think its shouldnt be
for me i am using every weapon not because you i need it but because i am having fun
and they being a bit worst harm the fun a bit

[rain snow]

battleaxes definitly not budget friendly tho ☠️

[rain snow]

same i think only skills that i have under 50 is like
swimming
blocking even tho i use parry a lot
elemental and blood magic
arbalesk
and riding
and those new dodge skills
oh and i think the sneak skill
i do love to use different weapons in every play through

[spiral ice]

Battleaxes attack through walls (which greatswords are unable to do). They are probably the best weapons for infested mines. 🙂
Though yes, they cost a pretty penny to make.

[rain snow]

i think for now because of the i see a lot of people dont find the attack speed buff idea is a good idea so it should stay that way

but movement speed penalty should be balanced to for not getting punished by the using the one of the games most cool weapon (crystal Battleaxes)

its seems i wanst using secondary enough i should test it out before making a comment on its damage and other mechanics

and a bit parry bonus for to just having a better competitiation against buckler + 1H class combos
Maybe Movement speed penalty to %12-%10
and Parry capacity buff could be good

[rain snow]

i wouldnt say its a design thing i think thats a glitch XD

[spiral ice]

Don't tell Smiffe. 😉

[rain snow]

i wouldnt XD

İ am still scared by a root harnesk Nerf 😭

[lofty wave]

It’s intentional, the devs can easily toggle it for every individual attack

Unless they clicked a box by mistake

[languid ibex]

I believe it makes sense for weapons that can chop wood.

[lofty wave]

Other axes don’t have it. It’s probably enabled to allow it to easily hit grouped enemies which a lot of players notice when comparing it to a sword

[languid ibex]

Hmm, well to be fair it could still hit grouped enemies without it, just not as reliably.

[rain snow]

wow noted

[rain snow]

oh no i think its about able to hitting multiple targets or not i think its still kind of a glitch depends on where you looking for it?

[lofty wave]

What’s a glitch?

[rain snow]

yeah so i think its intentional to area damage and hitting behind doors are a reuslt of this ability of the weapon

[wanton atlas]

you can thrust a 2h sword through a wall if you use the secondary attack 🤔

[stuck lark]

what was your suggestion back then if you remember ?

[lofty wave]

it doesn't hit through walls

[rain snow]

yeah i wanna know too

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-what-huh-will-smith-i-mean-gif-3535627793955785136

do you want to cheat and use exploits?

[lofty wave]

no?

[rain snow]

anyway when do we get a real life sized smiffie plushie ?

[wanton atlas]

so we have 3 people intrested now?

[rain snow]

i am sure there is gonna be more

[shadow crow]

4 😹

[wanton atlas]

[wintry bobcat]

isn't it? Blackmetal battleaxe = 30 black metal

Blackmetal sword + shield + axe = 48 blackmetal

[stuck lark]

wait does the blackmetal battle axe breaks the trees in mistlands ?

[rain snow]

yes

[stuck lark]

dame that's actually very useful

3 in one package

[rain snow]

its seems they are why i remember they are 45 metal for crafting not sure false information sorry

[stuck lark]

the problem with that it will make those trophies not really that special

crafting trinkets aren't that hard tbh
the easiest trinkets to make (heart of the forest , Iron Brooch , Nimble Anklet , Bracelets of the Brave) aren't really that good but it's better than nothing

also with coop/ multiplayer there is higher chance to get trophies because of how many of u are makes it getting rescoures much faster & figthing enemies

that's how i see it atleast @lapis gust

[wintry bobcat]

Agreed I like that you have to work for the trinkets.

Also I don’t think multiplayer affects much. If you have 5x as many people farming you’re gonna get 5x as many trophies

[wintry bobcat]

I think it’s just preference which trinkets are good. I hear a lot of people loving nimble anklet, I personally think bracelets of the brave look good tjough I don’t use clubs often, and iron Brooch I wanna say is THE most highly regarded trinkets outside of maybe some endgame ones or just pure convenience ones

[stuck lark]

agree with that trinkets tends to be affected by your playstlye alot

personally i love things like the Bronze Pendant that Helps alot with stamina ( one of the cheapest adrinlline to actiavte , the boost is % not flat stamina and it's basically an eary vesion of Lingering stamina mead )

or things that does increse your damage like Nimble Anklet but after using it i find it very hard to benefit from it

i didn't really have tested alot of others trinkets in normal playthroughs i guess i have to try force myself into them to give them a fair judgement xD

[wintry bobcat]

Nimble anklet doesn't increase damage

But yeah super playstyle dependent. Personally I find the stamina ones kinda useless because stamina regens so fast anyways, but I also know a lot of people who aboslutely depend on them because as soon as they lose stamina they lose momentum in the fight and it doesn't matter how much armor or health they have

[languid ibex]

#IronBroochSquad

[stuck lark]

i meant the mountain one mb

wolf sigth

[wintry bobcat]

Wolf sight feels damn nice with a spear. But a lot of trinkets its rare to proc in most biomes

That's why I like running fins of destiny

[stuck lark]

THIS ONE too , it's good when you are exploring

i never sawm that much in the past compared to today xD

[fast void]

Bracelets needs to cut the heal amount and reduce cost down to 65. That's the main issue it has.

Pierce trinket needs only 55 to proc.
Slash trinket needs only 75 to proc but also gives you +100 stamina and is simpler to stack given how much AoE slash weapons have.

Blunt trinket being 85 is nuts given you're mostly single-target and Hammers don't given AoE adrenaline.

[wintry bobcat]

Yeah I'd only bracelets in ashlands or at least after getting carapace buckler

[stuck lark]

are they good with frostner ?

[wintry bobcat]

They're okay probably, but not ideal because frostner has relatively low blunt damage

Probably very good with flametal mace though. The extra club and blunt skill will also help you push some stagger thresholds

[pine basalt]

with the bronze pendant and skoll and hati i can infinitely regenerate more stamina than i consume attacking. its amazing

and thats with only like 63 in daggers rn so theres still room to go lmao

[wintry bobcat]

Does that save you from losing a fight though or just make you get through it easier?

In my experience people who like stamina tend to like it because it makes things more convenient or fast. And people who like armor/hp like it because it keeps them alive

[pine basalt]

considering basically everything can be rolled, yes having infinite stamina keeps me alive lol.

[wintry bobcat]

I suppose. I just feel like defensive actions like rolling/parrying don't cost much stamina

[pine basalt]

not once theyre levelled, the big difference though is theres plenty of attacks that cant be parried. everything can be rolled or avoided though

[wintry bobcat]

Rolling costs even less stamina when levelled

[pine basalt]

exactly, once theyre levelled, they dont cost much. that is exactly what i was agreeing with you on.

[wintry bobcat]

Ah, I see the way its meant to be read now

I feel like rolling doesn't cost much stamina at level 0 either, for how quickly it regenerates. But I do see the appeal of just wanting more stamina, if you have perfect mechanics it does pay off

[wet drift]

Never did much rolling because it just felt clunky. (Probably a combination of controls and camera behavior.)
Is it even worth it though? From my understanding, you don't get iframes, so why not just sprint.

[wintry bobcat]

You do get iframes

That said though, on normal difficulty you can parry most enemies which doesn't cost stamina, stuns the enemy, and gives you double damage for a brief period, making it usually the preferred option

[wet drift]

Damn. I really suck at combat in this game.
I just don't enjoy it enough to get better.

[wet drift]

@shy swan I like the idea, with stun in particular. Can't see them implementing it though. Not in the game where mobs are immune to fall damage. Apparently they really don't want knockback to do more than give distance.

[wintry bobcat]

Would probably be pretty finnicky with the coding of this game (i'm no coder, but just a guess)

The idea sounds very cool, but I think it would either give you too impressive oneshot / stunlock potential, or be so small it would be barely noticeable

[wet drift]

Not sure how knockback works in this game, I would assume it just adds velocity in a direction, so the most intuitive implementation is a velocity check on collision. This also means that the knockback would have to be faster than movement to cause the effect or things would get ugly, but that's fine.

The "exploity" way to use this is just pinning something to a wall, but to be fair, that is a lethal advantage in reality as well.

[stuck lark]

from what i have experainced so far , armour doesn't really matter that much
Hp matters alot more for parrying while armour just make your mistakes much more forgivable

relying on stamina just make it much harder to get hit or escape and repostion yourself in a better sitution

no matter how much armour or hp you have if you end up stuck or surroended in a very bad sitution it won't help you excpet for couple of small time

[wintry bobcat]

True. I think its a good balance though.

Stamina is kinda the best stat allowing you to do whatever you want, but as such it also has high base regen.

HP and armor is only really needed if you mess up and as such you have low base hp regen and it requires some commitments to spec into hp and armor.

[boreal thorn]

I'm kind of surprised that this game doesn't have some QOL things I thought it would have.

[wintry bobcat]

For me, I consider myself a pretty skilled player. I'm not flawless, I do get hit, but overall my rolls and parries are pretty on point. I'm also very good with stamina management, which is why I find getting some hp or armor to be more important just in case I do miss a roll or parry. Because more stamina won't suddenly make me not miss my roll

I also induitably have a somewhat skewed view of things because I don't play the game as intended. I play vhard permadeath and ban myself from using most cheesy things, and in those conditions going hp or armor to not have my world be deleted from one stray hit of a draugr is a welcome comfort 😅

[stuck lark]

yea i just watched a series about permadeath hardcore and this is 100% fair to favoer hp on these condition

[wet drift]

You always want stamina. You want health in combat...until you get the bubble.
...But I play permadeth baby mode, and all before combat update, so Idk.

[stuck lark]

how many tries so far in your permadeath worlds ?

just curiros

i wanted to try hardcore permadeath myself but seems it's so hard even as knowledgable as i am at valheim but the hardcore settings changes everything

[stuck lark]

what's permadeath baby mode ?

[wet drift]

Just turn the sliders as easy as possible, but delete character and world if you die.

[rose swan]

Like what? 🤔

[boreal thorn]

Like an ability to recycle crafted things, or a reduction of the wet debuff when you unequip armour.

[fast void]

Plz no to both of those ideas.

[boreal thorn]

It made sense to me immediately to unequip my tunic after swimming, to dry faster. I was surprised it wasn't a feature.

[stuck lark]

the wet debuff thing isn't really that important qol , like just putting a campfire and waiting for like 5-10 seconds removes it easily

like by the time you remove your armour and wear it again the wet effect would be already gone

[wintry bobcat]

well that relies on having a campfire

I think unequipping armor to reduce wet effect timer sounds cool

[boreal thorn]

It would still make logical sense for when you aren't at your base and are travelling. Having the option to remove your clothes to reduce the debuff duration, whilst still on the move, or stopping to place a camp.

The choice to push forward vulnerable but on pace to spot you want to go.

[wintry bobcat]

It certainly takes time and leaving yourself vulnerable, so I'd say there's nothing too strong about implementing it, and it would make sense

Wouldn't fully get rid of wet effect, but definitely reduce it some

[stuck lark]

takes like 5 stone and 2 fire , most simple thing to craft yet most op

don't you find wooden weapons in chests >

[boreal thorn]

I don't think so.

All I've found is arrows.

[stuck lark]

yea you do , wooden spears and swords in black forest

[peak bronze]

Honestly, earlier at some point I thought recycling gear would have been neat idea, but later after seeing some gameplay with mod that has the recycle option I changed my mind, it took lots of core gameplay out of the game.

[peak bronze]

Wooden sword is craftable.

[stuck lark]

artgier in plains and battelaxes in mountains

[stuck lark]

yea but you can find it too no ?

[boreal thorn]

Even if not the ability to recycle, maybe an option to burn unwanted goods on your campfire?

[peak bronze]

No, it's the only one craftable and not to be found in world.

[stuck lark]

ohh kk

[boreal thorn]

Sometimes I craft the wrong thing and my only option is to throw it on the ground.

[peak bronze]

There is obliterator for destroying items.

[stuck lark]

that's what the thunder stone for

[boreal thorn]

Seems odd for that to be so late into the game.

[stuck lark]

not really late but like midgame

iron + trader stuff + copper i think

and you get coal from it too so you acutally can benefit from it

[peak bronze]

It's obtainable after 2nd boss and getting iron and finding trader, so quite early still.

At best I mean, sometimes the trader is elusive.

[boreal thorn]

Maybe it is a me thing, but if it is a wooden item let me throw it in the furnace or on the fire to burn.

[stuck lark]

also items in the words despawn after sometime as long you don't have anything that disable spawns like campfire ot workbench near it

[stuck lark]

but that suggestion of the wooden weapons isn't it already in the game ?

or i am missing something ?

[peak bronze]

Yeah, there are wooden weapons to be found in world.

They are located in certain types of POIs tho.

[boreal thorn]

I'm 1 of those people that always thinks common sense wise when it comes to game features, but never considers why the game doesn't have it.

[stuck lark]

depends on the devs mostly xD

[boreal thorn]

Tried building a tent for my first home. Hit with the ''Your bed is too exposed''.

My mind instantly goes to ''okay, why not adds tents but you don't get a rested buff and your characters awakes with the cold debuff''.

[rose swan]

That sounds like a cool idea, but it also subtracts from the danger of being out in the wilderness at night.

Like, nightime would pretty much never be an issue or obstacle if you could so easily sleep through it

[wet drift]

Currently you can either ignore time of day completely; scavange at day and sail at night; pop your temporary portal each night.

The requirements for sleep don't matter much.

If they wanted us to care, night would be freezing.

[rose swan]

Personally I like to put down a campfire in a place where I feel is safe, and sit by it through the night. Of course, this makes more sense I’m early game mostly, but it’s super immersive!

[wet drift]

I think we've discussed my "hard mode wishlist" before. Freezing nights was definitely on there.

[rose swan]

Oh? I actually don’t think I’ve seen your wishlist? 🤔

#suggestion-discussion message Here’s one me and some community members came up with!

(oh, and I realize now you were also part of that discussion! Sorry, it’s been awhile haha)

[eternal wyvern]

I don't remember, one was for g'jall to be a raid in the ashlands but that wasn't very popular.

[stuck lark]

add salt to injury xD

[meager dagger]

Hey I'm just curious, why don't people want a way to move tamed animals to other bases?
https://discordapp.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202312684364910612/1459677474198786197

[rose swan]

Personally I’m all for a method of moving tamed animals, I’m just not a fan of the proposed method.

[meager dagger]

Are you thinking of using portals?

[rose swan]

I think a simple lead (not harpoon) would do the trick 🤔

Simple problems, simple solutions type thing

[meager dagger]

How would we get it to a different island then

Like have then swim across while we're on the boat you mean?

[rose swan]

I’d probably lean towards some sort of interaction between the animal and question and the longship

Like, while the animal is leashed, interacting with the mast positions the animal on the boat or something. Maybe for lox, would require a Drakkar.

[meager dagger]

AH ok so your thoughts is for the smaller animals to get onto the current long ship.

Yeah that would work as well.

[eternal wyvern]

What if the harpoon still hooked pets without damaging them if friendly fire is off.

[wet drift]

We're just stacking hacky workarounds instead of making a reasonable solution.

[stuck lark]

isn't the damage already very small ?

[lofty wave]

It's not small enough if you need to hit a creature multiple times

[stuck lark]

then don't hit it multiple times , or you can throw something for them to eat to heal it

just make sure you harppon carefully

[lofty wave]

you run out of stamina eventually so unless it's a short distance you will need to hit them multiple times

and even if they eat they don't heal very fast, especially boars because it's percentage-based

[stuck lark]

for what mobs though ? boars and wolfs don't need that much stamina when using harpoon + poitions helps alot , and the other are raidable so not really a need to harpoon them

before you run out of stamina you can make a small triangle box from 3 fences untill you get your stamina full

[shadow crow]

For moving them short-medium distances, I prefer the cattle chute method. Make two parallel rows of fencing a pig's width apart, and start pushing. Add cross-fencing on occasion to keep them from wandering backwards.

[lament zinc]

#suggestions message You are aware that joke suggestions will be removed?

#suggestions message This won't happen, as it would force the game to teleport them from the bottom to the top or back; just like what happens with the current ship ladders right now.
The current system is the best the devs can come up with, even while they're aware it isn't perfect.
Smiffe explained that a while ago, so perhaps do a search for "ladders"?

[wanton atlas]

@hasty kestrel the issue with the ladders being placeable, is that you could easily end up inside objects with how they work

[hasty kestrel]

gotcha, no worries

thanks for the insight

[static eagle]

why so many dislikes?

[runic plover]

Pretty sure it already exists.

[lament zinc]

Lemme guess........

Oh, perhaps because it's a joke suggestion as wooden weapons were added in the CtA update?

[spiral ice]

I suggested in this discussion thread that there should be a reaction emoji for "this already exists in-game or has been announced for future development" so wew don't have to actually tell people.

[pulsar perch]

i use the recycle reaction when people sugget something that is already in the game

[lament zinc]

If people actually paid attention to and read the posts in https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202150165449035816, https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202170015671914506 or even https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/982169679869149224 as well as https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/831071697817305128
they would have known.

Not to mention that it's mentioned in both general and Valheim-chat multiple times.

Which is why I consider it as a joke suggestion.

I could call it differently, but that would put those posters at the same level as some blue skinned environment destroyers.

[fast void]

Dude wants open servers with no passwords... someone doesn't understand how griefing works 🤷‍♂️

[lament zinc]

Not until it happens to him. And then we got a suggestion about having the game's "servers" being password protected to prevent grievers to enter. 🤦‍♂️

[fast void]

And more fun being tied to multiplayer is very player-specific. A good number of people prefer to play it solo.

Why would they add an option making it easier for griefers to grief?

Yes. I said option.

You did not answer my question.

[lament zinc]

Why would they add an option that will result in countless posts about people being the victim of grievers because of the no pass word protection for which IG will be blamed then?

[fast void]

You still have not answered my question.

[lament zinc]

There, you just gave the solution to your "problem".

So just name a server "Password 12345", set the password to "12345" and let everyone enter your game. Including those you can't trust.

[fast void]

So now it isn't just "make them open" it is also "add admin roles and admin-specific commands to all servers."

If we start down the path of "make Valheim like a lot of other games" well..

1. It won't ever be finished
2. It won't be Valheim anymore

Also keep in mind this isn't a multiplayer game.
It is a singleplayer game that happens to have co-op.

[pulsar perch]

open servers could work if they where run by the community and had a bunch of anit griefing mods and whatever else is needed to keep the server running

[lament zinc]

It's a single player game that's having the option to play it in co-op with friends and family.
As is mentioned by Smiffe a few dozen times.

[fast void]

We are not related.

[fast void]

People who embrace modding already do have open servers iirc.

[lament zinc]

IG added the password system so they won't be held responsible for the fact that players have to deal with grievers.
Because that's what happening when you remove the password option. Because it has happened in the past, where people came over here to complain about grievers while they had created open servers. And it will happen again.

If you don't (want) to understand that, it's not our problem.
But since it won't be changed - as Smiffe has been pointing out countless times for the reasons I mentioned above - there's no need to make that suggestion in the first place.

If you want open servers, do like I said and put the password in the server name.
If yuo want that for Brazillian people only, then use something to indicate that.

Otherwise use mods that give that option.

But whatever you do, don't complain at this discord when some jackass jumps in with his Ashlands gear, kills all the bosses, destroys all portals and bases and then leaves to be never be seen again.

Because at that point in time it's NOT IG's fault, but entirely your own.

[spiral ice]

Just make your own world called "PasswordIs----------" and replace those 10 dashes with the password. Problem solved, no programming necessary.

[spiral ice]

Oops. I didn't read all the way down. 😄

[lament zinc]

OK: and which option should be mandatory?
The one with the password - which then would have people complain that they need to switch to the "open game" system;

or the non-password system; which then will lead to people complain that they created a game and got grievers entering it, because the game wasn't auto protected by passwords?

[runic plover]

It wouldn't be hard to add a text box that says something like "your game has no password, malicious players can join. Are you sure you want to continue?"

While I would never use the open server option myself, I'm not opposed to it existing, as long as there's an extra mention that IG has nothing to do with what is likely to come of it.

Playing with random people online is always going to yield mixed results, and while I have met many people I never care to see again, I have also made several friends that way. I say allow the option, but make sure there are extra disclaimers attached.

[runic plover]

That sounds like a lot of effort, though. That new character restriction could also prevent people from coming back once they make gear. There's also no way to prevent someone leaving a game. Alt+F4 can't be disabled so easily.

[sterile condor]

ive read and reread your response, trying to find any logic in it. but heres what youre essentially saying:

everyone should spend 10+ hours a day making sure theyre up to date on all announcements, patchnotes and ptb news before they decide to open their stupid mouths.

IG made a password system so that they wouldnt be held accountable for something they already wouldnt be held accountable for if they didnt make a password system.

in your mind, you are equal with the devs and have all the inside knowledge, as you keep using verbiage like "we" and "our" when referring to them.

you say that having open servers will backfire on IG, and that thats why they made the password system, but then you say that making a server where the password is the server name would be a great idea

"dont complain at this discord when some jackass jumps in with his ashlands gear, kills all the bosses, etc" - no one is going to complain lol. well maybe someone with negative iq would, but someone who currently has access to servers with passwords and is specifically asking for an option to have open servers isnt going to be complaining. theres a reason for what theyre asking for, and its 100% valid.

"because its not ig's fault, its your own" - yes. congrats. that is a risk that theyre willing to take though.

there are several games that already have the option for both password protected and open servers, one of the ones that comes to mind first, being ARK. is joining an open server giving you the option of getting griefed by people coming in from outside maps and doing shit? yes. but thats a risk that you agree to take when you join one. you can just as easily join one that one of your friends has put up that has a password. but, for those that may not have friends that play the game, an open, password-free server is a great option to just get out there, play the game and possibly meet people.

you are always so condescending when youre talking to people man, theres no reason for it

[sterile condor]

someone is giving a suggestion based off of something that they want, and youre telling them "no, you dont want that" lol