suggestion-discussion

[lofty wave]

What else could it be?

[languid ibex]

Just a standard animation it cycles through

The sleeping in the cave is idle

[wanton atlas]

animations isn't states

sitting down is a state since we force the model to do things

while just running idle animaitions is another thing

but keep in mind. we have 1 animator

want him to make attacks for new enemies

or create some random stuff for old enemies you won't even see anymore when you have progressed past them?

[vale oak]

while you're not wrong there's no reason to dismiss the suggestion just because you can't implement it right now

it was an idea that many people seem to like, that's all

[pulsar forum]

That is correct. 👍🏻
Suggestions are just that.

In my case I'm pretty aware everything requires hours of work and there are many other priorities🙂 , specially with combat update on the way.😍

[pulsar forum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202312684364910612/1399418121089192139

I think this could be addressed if there were a way to upgrade the whisplight (and especially the whisptorch, for our bases) as other users have suggested before.

Perhaps those upgrades could be unlocked when upgrading the Artisan Table with the Artisan Press. That way, we maintain the Mistlands biome's challenge untouched while, after defeating The Queen👑 , reduce the nuisance of the mist.

To be more specific: I imagine the mentioned upgrade as a substantial increase in the radius of the fog-dissipating effect for those items.

[sick breach]

#suggestions message

Alternatively, could change wisp behaviour so that when player is sitting in a rudder their equipped wisp hovers closer to the front of the boat. Maybe under hood, the boat has invisible wisps clearing mist along it's length and ahead.

Also wish that with a wisp equipped, both it and the player cleared wisp in a radius from themselves, so im not choking on mist while my wisp investigates some god damn rocks.

[wanton atlas]

upgrading the wisplight would kill performance on lower end consoles and PC's 😦

[grim bolt]

Trap the wisp in a circlet like the light headgear

[languid ibex]

Wisp torches are so underutilized 😅

[wanton atlas]

indeed

and monsters don't activly try to destroy them either

[versed fog]

wisp torches are my favorite lighting aesthetically

and no fuel needed 😁

[languid ibex]

Just referring to the semi-consistent suggestions about wisplight upgrades, the wisp torch isn't exactly good for lighting. 😅

[pure patio]

I prefer the softer glow of Dvergr lanterns, but wisp lights are nice because they don't require any infrastructure, not even a workbench

[mortal lichen]

Lavalamp MVP

[rose swan]

@spark bear #suggestions message what would pickled veggies do? 🤔

[peak bronze]

If one wants to make pickles out of veggies, then they should play Stardew Valley.

[spark bear]

They would look cool on the shelf with Mason jars made out of crystal from the mountains, and also offer a standard food buff and or whatever other buffs too I suppose and they could be sold to traders for gold? :p

[languid ibex]

The 'sell it for gold' reasoning could probably be applied to a lot of other, arguably better things. Decor with veggies is also already possible.

[lament zinc]

#suggestions message That won't happen, as the developers won't be hold responsible for people loosing their items and / or having everything they build being destroyed by griefers who's just enter the server, demolish stuff and disappear again.

[long glacier]

Isn’t there a warning about that every time you go to the multiplayer tab?

[lament zinc]

Could be, I dunno. I never play this game with others.

[rose swan]

Pickling was indeed recently added to Stardew

[rose swan]

I’ll be honest, I’ve always liked the idea of jars made out of crystal, though I’ve always thought the idea of actually implementing them would be a stretch. The idea of pickled veggies actually does sound really cool… but, I do think it would serve better as modded content 🤔

Probably the inner Zelda fan in me that just really likes bottles lol

[quick cedar]

Yes, I always see that when I go to join game

[rich cosmos]

im gonna pickle you

[wanton atlas]

Only first time.

Else it would be very annoying to get that in your face as a popup

[zenith sand]

not proximity, but definitely in-game vc as an option

[lament zinc]

#suggestions message

What's the need for that? Even with only a frost potion you're able to retrieve your gear in the mountain biome if / when you're going to do a corpse run.
You can also place campfires and run from one fire to another to avoid the freezing buff.

Considering two out of three pre-mountain biome powers are used a lot early game and still useful later game, they would become too OP compared to the rest. And with the third being more focussed at getting a specific resource, adding a short anti freeze duration to it wouldn't make any sense at all.

[plain oak]

TBH i love proximity based VC, although i would probably keep it as a mod and not a base game feature.

using the tex chat difference between normal chat and /s (shout) could differentiate between normal proximity and Shout proximity (perhaps it could have a 3-5x range and a slight echo effect)

[languid ibex]

Are you feeling out what people think or are you confused about where to post suggestions? 😅

[junior barn]

should add a 'North Star' for sailing at night 😉

[mortal lichen]

Some people call one of the stars that, usually most orient by the tree though

[junior barn]

how do you orient with trees on the ocean?

[mortal lichen]

I mean Yggdrassil

[junior barn]

ohh the great branch in the sky, i see what you mean

ya i guess that works

[mortal lichen]

on NoMap I use it to find my house, i have memorised which tiny branch it's under, makes things easier

[junior barn]

gotcha

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message Isn't that already a thing with the draw distance setting?

Or does it only affect some things and not others?

[rose swan]

Who keeps forgetting lightbulb lol

[arctic wharf]

need a second? 😂

[wanton atlas]

You know the old saying

Its better to have 1 person with alot of work Infront of them, than 2 that have to fight for work

[main relic]

So have 3

[peak bronze]

Wouldn't it too much to add a third wheel?

[main relic]

Nah, he likes being there

[sick breach]

He even has a special chair just for him!

[arctic wharf]

You may say I am a dreamer.

[languid ibex]

But I'm not.

[arctic wharf]

supposed to be - "But I'm not the only one"

[rose swan]

Where you’ve been Zion? You have a backlog of suggestions you need to vote on

[arctic wharf]

I just voted on my backlog earlier actually ahahaha, about 3 days worth. been a lot more recently it seems though, likely due to the impending updates.

Mostly just been busy with work and friends, but I am always keeping an eye on things here and a few other game discords 😎

doing well as well I hope?

[rose swan]

Well enough! Kind of in the grind irl to be honest, but going one day at a time

[languid ibex]

Damn I thought you were an Office fan for a sec 🫣

[arctic wharf]

I feel ya dogg, busy busy busy times.

[languid ibex]

@lost reef #suggestions message I don't mind the concept, just not so much for the idea of more inventory bloat. A whistle emote would be better for me personally.

[stark furnace]

#suggestions message @leaden thicket It's easier to vote on things if you split your ideas up

[leaden thicket]

Noted

[leaden thicket]

The slow mode made me think just putting it all in one before I forgot my thoughts would be easier. But point taken.

That said I would love to hear what ya'll think of any of my suggestions

[stark furnace]

I'd honestly just bite the bullet and have multiple suggestions

One issue I have is that dodge is not intuitive and given how important it is I would say a better control option would be prudent

Absolutely yes

"I would also recommend introducing magic earlier." Devs have said no to this sadly, it's pretty controversial

[leaden thicket]

Fixing the post now. Breaking it into single suggestions.

[leaden thicket]

Yeah I had heard that was something they felt strongly about. I just hope they build it out more in the final version.

[versed fog]

#suggestions message
Dodge roll is tied to the jump keybind so if you change jump, it’ll also change the dodge roll.

I have my jump keybind set to E just to make dodge rolls easier.

[lofty field]

I like the idea, but only if they implement an emote wheel or some other (controller friendly) way to select emotes.

[lofty wave]

@leaden thicket You don't have to crouch to roll, press B while holding the block button (which is different depending on control layout) to roll while standing.

Also jumping is ususally better and that just takes one button

[wanton atlas]

@misty widget no raincoats

won't be added

[languid ibex]

@brazen helm Iron knife would be a bit redundant, have you made an Abyssal Razor?

[brazen helm]

no, i haven't gotten there yet, the furthest i've gotten to is the plains biome but an iron knife would be nice (for started game that is)

[languid ibex]

Yeah, the Abyssal Razor is possible as early as swamps, which is iron tier

[brazen helm]

oh, okay. ty

[leaden thicket]

Fair I'm just suggesting some controller preset options that are popular or optimized for specific playstyles like we see in game like Halo or other such games. Yes I understand that Halo is not the best example it is simply the one that came to mind right now.

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message @hexed jewel when I try this the weapon stays equipped

[hexed jewel]

that's odd, i swear just last night it was doing the opposite when I was playing, but i'll experiment again some more tonight

was using the flammetal round and the green flammetal mace, if it matters (it probably shouldn't/isn't intended to I imagine, but conceivably if i just haven't imagined the thing entirely it could just be affecting specific pairings)

[lofty wave]

I'm using them now and nothing has changed

[sly hull]

Never happened to me either.

[wanton atlas]

probably using the torch

[toxic trail]

That's the only thing I've found that does wonky things when equipping hand held items.

[rose swan]

Probably due to the torches unique ability to be main handed or off handed

[wanton atlas]

yup ^

[stiff stag]

It's actually available as early as black forest, since it only requires a pickaxe and the ability to sail, despite being an iron/swamp tier weapon.

[languid ibex]

Yes, never stated when it becomes available, just that it is available at iron tier.

[wanton atlas]

@pulsar forum ....

stop using #

[stiff stag]

"It's possible during swamp tier" and "It's possible as early as swamp" have very different meanings.

[languid ibex]

I'm not expressing it is possible during swamp tier, I'm expressing that it is possible as early as the iron knife they're suggesting would be. There's a difference, sorry you expected specific phrasing but it was in the context surrounding their suggestion.

[long glacier]

You could get it pre boss if you got trolls to mine ores and made a bronze pick

[rose swan]

You could get it pre world if you create a character and alter its inventory to add the knife

[stark furnace]

You could simulate the universe trillions of times in hopes of making a computer that can run valheim and get u the knife b4 life is ever born

[rose swan]

Ah yeah, good point. Didn’t even consider that!

[hexed jewel]

just to come back to this, on further testing it also stayed equip when i tried to replicate so i don't know what i was doing before to think that lol

[sly hull]

Are you on PC? The R-key re-equips your recent gear but if you pressed a number to unequip that piece is "gone" for the R-key. Maybe something like that happened as it does for me occasionally.

[hexed jewel]

that's probably what it was, or hitting the key for the weapon again when trying to hit the shield button--i do tend to put the two next to each other (shield and primary 1 hand weapon) in the hotbar

[toxic trail]

I forgot about the R key...I never use it, though I might start now...

[wanton atlas]

R-key is amazing once you start using it

[lofty wave]

Jump and let go of movement before using it so it doesn't slow you down

[toxic trail]

So, if I have my sword and board eqipped, then pull out my bow, hit R, do I give back to sword n board, and can just cycle those as needed?

I'm bout to fire up my game soon and will bevtesting

[lofty wave]

It doesn't cycle weapons, it unequips them so they don't apply their movespeed penalty.

Those unequipped weapons will then be displayed on your character, usually on their back.

[toxic trail]

OIC, well I'm used to doing that manually as it is

[lofty wave]

It's faster if you're using a 1h weapon + shield since you only play the equip animation once

[toxic trail]

I'll try it out

[granite geyser]

#suggestions message

"Idea: you know what you guys should do? Develop the game. No need to thank me for suggesting this. My pleasure"

[wanton atlas]

@spiral fog so you're comparing 2 different games, with 2 different game engines, with 10000's of differences

there are reasons why Red Dead redemption 2 have lower System requirements than Valheim has

[spiral fog]

its still quite crazy that high end computers cant handle more than 60 fps on this game. i was judging it by its looks

no way to optimize it further?

[wanton atlas]

in 4k?

or you playing in even higher resolutions?

[spiral fog]

quality hd on both

[wanton atlas]

you're like

comparing living on the moon and on a space station

or the color red and a square triangle

something that doesn't matter. but to put things into numbers

red dead redemption 2 have a map size of 78 square kilometers
valheim have a map size of 313 square kilometers

[spiral fog]

fair point i guess

[wanton atlas]

valheims map have millions if not billions of interactable objects and destructable enviroment

not sure you can tear down houses in RD2

the point being

do you feel valheim laggy due to FPS drops or low FPS?

or is it purly numbers game?

the number of instances really matter

[spiral fog]

yea without much instances for example in black forest i can have 60 or even 50fps

[wanton atlas]

what resolution?

Video on how to optimize your windows PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IBkMW39egU

this video helps btw

and enable resizeable bar

[spiral fog]

i'll watch it, huge thanks

[wanton atlas]

atm I only got a 7700X and I can still manage 500 FPS with everything on minimum / low

not that it matters since the game runs just fine over 30 FPS

most boost comes from RAM speed

atm 6200Mhz

[stark furnace]

Swapping to hammer then unequipping hammer is just better tho no?

[peak bronze]

Hoe works too.

[pale drum]

Even equipping and unequipping something that requires a different number of hands works, for example going from battleaxe to equipping mace to unequipping it quickly

R key is just too much of a speed nerf

[stark furnace]

Visually it does look cool tho to have a shield or whatever on your back tho

[peak bronze]

During the slow movement you can dodge roll to avoid getting hit and also have that small "speed" when putting weapons on back.

[pale drum]

That's stamina you have to spend though

[peak bronze]

Yes.

[errant mauve]

Have we talked about increasing the armor ratings of early armor sets eg troll, root, so those bonuses become usable in the end game? Maybe this could happen by using a deep north item which allows you to combine the bonus of one armor set with the armor rating of another.

[granite geyser]

Yes

[errant mauve]

What was the general mood on that?

[granite geyser]

"No"

[errant mauve]

lol kk

[wanton atlas]

absolutly not 😄

great way to incentivice not not making new items by just upgrading old ones constantly

"hey we are going into deep north, let me just go back to black forrest and farm 50+ trolls for the hides I need to level my armor up to level 25"

[peak bronze]

I mean, you can still wear troll set fairly comfortably up to mountains depending on your gameplay. But harder enemies encourage to upgrade your gear to better armor rate and bonuses, I don't see the troll set bonus too groundbreaking to wear it till the end.

[languid ibex]

I wear my troll set every time I'm starting a new biome just to enter a new place with a stealth option and minimal risk to equipment loss. Not exactly the strongest, but the utility is still there

[wanton atlas]

huh? 😄

I am pretty sure some people can de-bunk the usefullness of the "stealth"

[errant mauve]

That’s why I said you’d need both the armor set with the bonus you want and the armor set with the armor rating you want. You’re not levelling up by grinding an old biome, you’re taking the armor from the current biome and combing it with the old.

This would be seperarte from upgrading.

It’s making essentially a new armor set which could make it an end game activity to extend the game when you already have every set.

[wanton atlas]

sounds just like a diffrent "transmog" system to me

[errant mauve]

Yep it’s tramsmog but with attributes rather than appearance

[languid ibex]

It was quite useful for me when entering the ashlands and my boat was destroyed by a bonemaw & I was surrounded by vultures. The spiral rocks offered just enough cover to lose their attention and I was able to move around freely without issue from there.

[wanton atlas]

I am personally not a fan of transmog systems

[flint garden]

Magic staves should have a special melee attack — nothing too strong, but enough to knock enemies back. It’d be a cool situational move for when you run out of ether, so you’re not totally defenseless

[languid ibex]

They do, it's called switching weapons 😅

[flint garden]

Yeah, but sometimes I forget to bring melee weapons, so I just have to run around until I can cast another spell haha 🥲🤣

[languid ibex]

That's a mistake on your part not the developers 😄

[eternal wyvern]

That doesn’t discredit the idea of the staves having a secondary melee attack, I think it’d be great.

[flint garden]

No no, you misunderstood me — I’m not saying it’s the devs’ fault. I just think it could be a useful addition for staves, since they don’t have any special attacks. Maybe they don’t even need to deal damage, just push enemies back, so the game doesn’t turn into whacking everything with a staff 🤔🤣

[lofty wave]

What makes an attack special?

[languid ibex]

I didn't misunderstand, I'm just highlighting the fact that these options are already available to you, you're just not using them.

1 key press and you're no longer stuck waiting for Eitr to regen.

[wanton atlas]

um. it depends

can you quickly re-equip a weapon + shield from the build hammer?

[stark furnace]

I think even then in that case it's faster

idk i've never done the full science someone else prolly knows

[languid ibex]

Surely switching once should be faster than twice.

[wanton atlas]

so we should just adjust the build hammer with the same "equip" thing as everything else

[stark furnace]

plz no 😢

[wanton atlas]

oh?

tho I am pretty comfident. re-equipping is slower than just pushing R. since it bypasses the entire loading meter thing

[stark furnace]

I'll find some time to do science today

[wanton atlas]

I've found out a while ago, slowing down the game makes measuring things very easy

timescale 0.1

❤️

[stark furnace]

For timings I record footage then go into premiere and then it's very easy to get an exact timing but yea that's also great way to do it

[wanton atlas]

I don't make video content. so I have to find other ways to do it 😄

but that method with video editing softare is probably dead accurate

but.
equipping shield + 1h weapon. pressing R to put them on the back, then in hands again with R-key
vs
build hammer to unequip, and then re-equipping.

what I mean is faster is to just pressing R to equip and unequip so you don't have to spend time to re-equip 🤔

or can you quickly swap back somehow?

from hammer?

[flint garden]

Oh, you’re right. I hadn’t thought of that

[bronze trench]

What irongate is thinking about it ? Is it good as what it is or might be improved later ?

[wanton atlas]

I can't answer for the entire team tho

it's not like I got mind reading powers 😄

I might even remember wrong, but the stealth aspect isn't in use, unless you crouch 🤔

[frosty whale]

Yes. Like Elden Ring 🙂

[bronze trench]

Thats why it is not user friendly after meadows which things become hectic enough to not let u walk around freely anymore. Ofc you cannot speak on behalf of your team but as we getting closer to combat update (which i think we are very close after that sneak peak tease on BS) combat related sneak ability might be overhauled or tweaked at least.

After your response i guess got my answer.

As we are in suggestion discussion, my idea to improve it would be; after some skill progression it should give unlimited usage (without stamina i mean) of sneak would be good maybe like after 50 lvl. Or sneak crouch speed adjustments. Or even extreme mechanic i would like to see would be after succesful atack, speed boost for short amount of time, etc etc...

As they say around where i live, the bread of the poor is hope. 😀

[wanton atlas]

we aren't changing anything about sneaking, stealth or such in the combat update

IMHO. if anything, we should just remove the entire thing from the troll armor

it serves no purpose, it doesn't lead any path of evolution. it's a dead end

[languid ibex]

Stealth comes in very handy around enemies with very large detection distances, if you check your detection with a crouch you can often lose the enemy before they ever get close to you.

[wanton atlas]

just go around them or avoid them 🤔

don't need stealth really to do that

[bronze trench]

Things can be added to make it spicy but it can bring extra balance issues. So probably better be left as it is i guess.

[topaz kite]

Definitely would be nice as a toggle with ascending, descending, alphabetical…

[cyan rapids]

Right, I imagine it could just be a table with sortable columns

[languid ibex]

This is for unseen detection and avoidance, something well behind a rock or a fallen Valk subtly following you.

[versed sonnet]

What's this about a combat update? 👀

[wanton atlas]

@versed sonnet look in #news

[versed sonnet]

Oh hell yeah, that sounds like it'll be awesome

[wanton atlas]

@late sundial you know each addon to the workbench etc, gives a larger build area already?

[late sundial]

I didint, thank you

[meager wave]

Wait what

[wanton atlas]

yup yup

we added that feature a while ago

[peak bronze]

Wasn't it during Hildir patch?

[wanton atlas]

um

either that or bog witch

[peak bronze]

Was much earlier than Bog Witch. So probably Hildir.

[stark furnace]

Hildir

[peak bronze]

Yeah, figured by your thumb up.

[stark furnace]

Bcuz workbenches also got changed to work with the sealed tower

Spheres of influence to cylinders

[peak bronze]

True, having cylinder so can build higher inside the area.

Good change, makes easier to build higher buildings also, not only outside the sealed tower.

[stark furnace]

Does have a negative side effect

There's some queen cheese enabled by this 👀

[peak bronze]

Interesting.

[wanton atlas]

building directly under it so you get building "permits" inside? 😄

[stark furnace]

Yea, you can't place a lot of things bcuz of the dungeon limitation meme but some things fell through that

[lofty field]

Does that work for every dungeon?

[wanton atlas]

probably

something to "adjust" eventually 😄

[mellow crater]

Considering the height of the dungeons, might be possible (and easy) to cut the top of the cylinder at, says, the height of the “sky” on top of the player (the fake sphere I mean). No-one will build that high I suppose.

[wanton atlas]

correct

[stark furnace]

yea it's an oversight, EA things 😅

[wanton atlas]

it wasn't a problem before. so the person who made the changes didn't realise the dungeon build-prevention-system would need a overhaul 😄

but yeah. just put a cap on it should work fine

like 1000 meter or so XD

[peak bronze]

Sounds like it could solve the issue.

[languid ibex]

Im willing to bet this is more of an automated draw function, and it could be easier on rendering and whatnot if there were just parameters within the hammer itself to not allow building beyond certain heights or within specific instance names.

[languid ibex]

@next token Use a floor piece?

[wanton atlas]

no. I remember our discussions about changing it's shape from a sphere to a cylinder due to me and other builders having to put workbenches on every 2 floors when we are building castles 😄

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message The angled roofing isn't because of an artistic choice, they are angled because that's how most roofing is even able to function as a proper roof. Stone build pieces work as flat roofing because it's a solid material that prevents water from seeping through, but the other materials need to be angled to wick water away and stop it from leaking.

[sonic musk]

I mean this very lighthearted and jokingly, but ain't no way 'Stranded at Sea' just disliked my most recent suggestion 😂 the irony is killing me

[wanton atlas]

sorry my man. but "jokes" is not really understood 😄

[sonic musk]

that definitely put a smile on my face

[wanton atlas]

if you can't push your Drakkar boat. your boat is stuck, or you aren't the owner of your own boat

[sonic musk]

I didn't even know this was a thing. Thank you Smiffe. I do play solo so it's definitely my boat, but yeah it was stuck real bad XD I had to destroy it, I tried so hard to push but it was locked inside land

[wanton atlas]

only the object owner (the last player to drive the boat, or the one that opend the inventory last) can push a boat

[sonic musk]

thank you for that info Smiffe, you're the best. I have played Valheim for a long time and didn't even know that!

oh my suggestion was deleted 😲 it was a real suggestion, the joke was that 'Lost at Sea' disliked my post about a boat being stuck at sea

No problem. I just wanted to suggest a way to 'unstuck' boats without destroying them if pushing them isn't an option

[wanton atlas]

oh

and here I thought you wanted to make a joke about lifting boats with magic and eventually being able to drop them on enemies to crush them 🤔

[sonic musk]

while it would be very funny, I was just thinking of ways to move your boat that fit the theme of the game. I would be happy with anything, to be honest

[languid ibex]

Oh yeah I understand the utility, I'm just saying it would be easier within unity to utilize a simplistic draw function for the cylinder, the defined field having no height parameters somewhat speaks to that. I'm just saying you could keep that the way it is by having the height conditions checked by the hammer itself rather than giving the cylinder an additional face on the y axis.

[wanton atlas]

well. that's one way to nerf it. but it would possibly be a problem since we have a setting to allow building inside dungeons 😄

it's just not openly shown

[languid ibex]

That's defined easily enough, just write an additional parameter where if build dungeon command = true, height parameter is 0

[mellow crater]

Uh, someone forgot the 💡

[tardy jasper]

Hi everyone ! I found this discord just few day ago 😅
And after many hours of play i have many idea, can i post it in one message ? Or should i separate my suggestion for more clarity ?

[rose swan]

Definitely separate them out into multiple posts 🙂

some other tips, not a bad idea to use the search feature and see if an idea has already been pitched, can always take some key components from previous discussions to help shape your suggestions.

Glad you’re here, looking forward to your ideas

[tardy jasper]

Okay thanks you ☺️ !

[wanton atlas]

remember the search feature top right corner

sometimes you suggest, might have been suggested before

like "horse"

or "disco ball"

[tardy jasper]

Yep i am actualy checking that 😁 ! To know if i can precise a bit my suggestion etc...

[crisp cloak]

Lox = honse

[wanton atlas]

Lox = Lizard + Ox 🙂

[languid ibex]

@next token Just curious, why are bears a must for a norse game?

[wanton atlas]

I don't think he have played more than medows

those poor domestic animals would be slaughtered by all other creatures in valheim 😄

[languid ibex]

Necks would obviously take down Reto though

[mellow crater]

Btw, we do have milk

*Greydwarfs eyes actually, but it is Valheim milk

[lofty wave]

[mellow crater]

I can see a good possibility for Deep North feast : a cake using eyes, flour, eggs, and of course DN stuff, that would be a kind of second feast for DN (not the main because it uses ingredients from a lot of biomes and greydwarfs eyes already disappears that quickly).

Hum, that feast would really be just for the fun of cooking cakes

[languid ibex]

I would upvote that

[versed fog]

unless they’re on the same faction?

[mellow crater]

No one is on the same faction in Valheim

[languid ibex]

Even if they were, the fact remains

[versed fog]

the biome factions tho

[mellow crater]

The moment you get close to a biome border

The slaughter begins

[versed fog]

well that happens anyways

[mellow crater]

And then you get goblins hunting deers in meadows

Imagine if there was deer-like creatures in every biomes

Or more deer-like creatures in meadows

[versed fog]

it’s usually the boar and necks that get slaughtered

[mellow crater]

But that is not really the reason I am against new passive mobs

[versed fog]

the deer run away

[mellow crater]

I was saying that mostly for fun of imaginary

[languid ibex]

I recall when the Wraith was put against most other creatures in Valheim in a youtube video, it almost always won because of it's odd positioning slightly above the enemy

[mellow crater]

The first Wraith I saw killed a goblin

It makes me feel like it was a VERY DANGEROUS mob

[versed fog]

wraith are kinda tough

[languid ibex]

Ever since then I wanted a staff that summoned wraiths haha

[mellow crater]

Like Mistlands tier… until I kill one

[next token]

@languid ibex bears are pretty prevalent in norse paganism and culture. Mostly norwegian.

One example within viking culture that fits with this game would be a berserker. They wore bear pelts into battle

@wanton atlas and no, I'm the plains rn

[mellow crater]

Cool endgame staff !

[rose swan]

Icy wraiths staff perhaps?

[mellow crater]

Elemental then ?

[languid ibex]

I don't exactly see that as reasoning for it being a must tbh, many animals are linked with similar levels of importance, and Valheim is a melting pot of the 9 realms. Not everything will be from Midgard.

[rose swan]

#general message resetting bear counter:
Days since bear suggestion: 0

[mellow crater]

Valheim is not a melting pot from the 9 realms: only creatures from them are Jotunn (deads from long), Dvergr, deers and boars. All others are native from Valheim

[next token]

Yeah but is is really that strange to want bears in the game?

Its like 70/30 split between non midgard Mobs and midgard mobs.

I think at least goats and bears would be very cool.

[peak bronze]

Summonable stone golem type creature, but hostile to even you like those summoned trolls.

[mellow crater]

Hum I like this

[peak bronze]

Also to get annoyed by its unpredictable attack patterns.

[rose swan]

Oooh that’s a fun one!

[peak bronze]

Could require the stone golem trophy to make. 👀

[languid ibex]

The lore describes the forsaken and their followers to have been banished to Valheim, and Valheim was created by Odin to lay outside of Yggdrasil so they couldn't effect the 9 realms anymore. This insinuates they were all once part of the 9 realms in different ways.

[mellow crater]

It is understandable, but devs stated many times that they won’t add any more “normal” mobs. Deers, boars and wolfs were too much already. For my part, I enjoy being surprised by new creatures I don’t know and can’t say how agressive they are. Lox are doing a great job for that, I want more lox-like.

[languid ibex]

Valheim is essentially a god tier prison for forsaken that refuse to die.

[rose swan]

No, not strange at all imo. It’s just a really common suggestion, if not the most common suggestion. So the topic has gotten a little stale amongst regulars.

[mellow crater]

For the forsaken yes, but that doesn’t invalidate natives

[languid ibex]

I'm not saying there aren't natives, but the melting pot aspect is true even with just the forsaken in mind, let alone their followers.

[mellow crater]

I imagined the story as “one one random world among the ten (that could as well have been Midgard but we were lucky and it hasn’t), Odin sent the ravaged souls of powerful creatures he fought.”

Then the natives (goblins, golems, humans that built these abandoned ruins or became draugr under Bonemass power, etc) had to live with the forsaken and being slowly destroyed or controlled by them

But it is true that seekers are the Queen children and undeads were likely arisen by Bonemass, and drakes also are the children and males of Moder, and greydwarfs are created by Elder

[languid ibex]

Draugr are natives that were punished by Odin with an undying curse after drowning them

[wanton atlas]

that can be solved..

[languid ibex]

They were a viking superpower

[wanton atlas]

it's kinda.. forced interaction to add a domestic animal, and not have a mad beast not try to slaughter it into pieces

[versed fog]

i’m iffy on bears because they somehow feel out of place

if there are passive animals added, it’d be good to go the way of deers and drakes and make them evasive (like goats, foxes, etc) from their would-be predators

[ocean mason]

I was bummed there weren't goats in the mountains

[lofty wave]

Goats and foxes could be aggressive if that's how the developers would choose to implement them

[versed fog]

if they were aggressive they’d just run straight into wolves and die i figure

[rose swan]

Aggressive to players, flee from wolves 🤔

[peak bronze]

Ram pushing with its horns player off the cliff to their death would be another sight to see.

[rose swan]

Oh, is that actually implemented now? 😅

[wanton atlas]

absolutly not

[somber remnant]

What is the general Valheim community/dev consensus on an option for teams/alliances in multiplayer? Is that something a lot of people are against?

[wanton atlas]

spreading lies is very dumb

[wanton atlas]

um. don't see the point for it since it's a singleplayer game with co-op options

alliances in a game with 10 players max?

teams is wierd since the game have a single path for advancing

[somber remnant]

Yeah it’s not exactly designed for it.

[lofty wave]

If you want to play in separate groups why not play on separate worlds?

[somber remnant]

Well the idea is for those who like the challenge of fighting other players

But its not the point of the game so I would see why they wouldn’t implement it

[versed fog]

valheim combat is pretty shallow couldnt imagine it being super fun in pvp

though that might change after the combat update

it’s great as a pve game already

[wanton atlas]

yes

PvP was never the point of valheim

the only reason why the toggle even exists is for some banter style challenge your friend to a beat down. or for those people who want the RP immersion of the posibility to hurt your friends during combat with the monsters

[rose swan]

That’s always how we’ve used it- just to goof around and do silly shenanigans. Make a fighting pit, put in two Vikings unarmed and no armor, and punch each other to death

[somber remnant]

I think I just want an easier way of selecting who has access to things in a ward’s radius

And maybe the option to toggle nametags or maybe nametag brightness lol

[languid ibex]

I had a fighting pit for my first playthrough with friends, people kept getting mad at eachother and we used it to settle everything eventually 😅

[somber remnant]

That’s epic

[rose swan]

LOL what?? Me and friends literally did the same thing, and for like every game we played 😂

Would be playing Halo back when we were younger, and if we had a tough loss we’d boot up a custom FFA match and just kill each other for hours

Sorry for the tangent, your comment just made me think of simpler times I suppose

[ocean mason]

Meh, embed fail. Tried to put in a "make the square" gif

[languid ibex]

Hahaha, the good ol gladiator days

[meager wave]

Honestly if they do get added, they should probably go in the deep north. Bear stew anyone for an endgame meal?

[rose swan]

Only the deepest bears

[languid ibex]

They should add carvings of bears in some caves to really make the bear crowd frenzy

[rose swan]

🌶️ spicy🌶️ question, just for a little fun… for us who partake in the witching hour… if you had to pick a ‘regular’ animal to add to Valheim… which one?
Bear 🐻
Goat 🐐
Fox 🦊
Cat 🐈‍⬛

[versed fog]

Cats would be interesting

I would hope they’d drop nothing so there’s no reason to kill them

[languid ibex]

Foxes are my favorite animal, gotta go with that

[peak bronze]

IMO some kind of sabretooth cat.

[wanton atlas]

cats would drop tickets to valhalla 👀

[versed fog]

My soul would be stuck in valheim forever

[mellow crater]

Bears and cats because you can make “derivates” of them that are agressive (Valheim is only suitable for aggressive mobs. The deer is only here to make you think next mobs could be passive, and hares are here only to have you fearing them until you realize they are passive.)

Wow, right now imagining Catear, the speed of a great cat and the arms and maw of a bear

Loxes but for DN, more power, more danger

[peak bronze]

But no reskinned ones like in some of the early DN mod.

[mellow crater]

If you success creating a Catear with the lox model, bravo

[peak bronze]

Ah, seemingly I misunderstood the Lox comment. Disperse, nothing to see here.

[mellow crater]

I meant the concept of lox : a mix between two real creatures to give a new fictional creature

[peak bronze]

I see now.

[reef citrus]

Snow load is a big reason as well in northern climes. Hip (and to a lesser extent: saltbox, shed) roofs are historically accurate in these areas partially for this reason.

Triangles are a strong form, when combined with wood structure, thet can support and disperse the immense weight of snow.

I love butterfly and flat roofs on homes but there is a reason you see more in Cali than Toronto.

[next token]

@wanton atlas do you downvote mostly everything?

[granite geyser]

Yes, smiffe hates all suggestions.

That means literally nothing in that channel will ever be a thing (it's actually a cosmetic channel)

@tidal egret keep playing

[peak bronze]

Why does it matter?

[next token]

Because it seems like most of the regulars just downvote everything and it makes for a very uncomfortable atmosphere.

[long glacier]

I think he means add the ability to dual wield to all one handed weapons, e.g. dual wielding bronze swords

[next token]

They do probably

That's what I'm talking about. The "vets" act like elitists. What kind of response is "keep playing".

Not helpful and not inviting.

[wanton atlas]

I wouldn't say so 🤔

I upvote, ignore, downvote. depends if I like it or not

[long glacier]

From what I see, a lot of downvotes from regulars are because:

the suggestion is a significant change to a part of the game the downvoter enjoys (most regulars enjoy most of the game’s features)

The suggestion has been suggested in the past and the developers have said it isn’t being added

It seems like a neat addition but it would take a lot of effort to add, and that effort isn’t worth spending on the suggestion instead of on the already planned updates

[wanton atlas]

^ yup

either

• doesn't fit the current game. but the person suggesting it have only played a small portion of the game and don't have a feeling for how the thing would clash with the direction of the game.
• thing is just not going to work
• over-complicated-thing-that-no-one-wants-besides-the-person-suggesting-it
• IRL suggestion that most people don't think would fit in game..
• something blatently stolen from another game

[old tiger]

Yeah someone said I stole the idea from Palia for the cake but no I think something kinda sweet like the ice cream we have is honestly something that could fit... I kinda just want something like the feast but more decorative and kinda colorful. Like a happy death day cake from odin 😂

[granite geyser]

this will just turn into another case of "downvotes are literally a personal attack against me pls stop" so we should not even bother. I will certainly not

this is dealing with people new to the internet. They cannot handle ANY criticism

[granite geyser]

you don't need to justify yourself and you know it

[languid ibex]

I remember my first foray with the suggestion people, it was confusing but some were patient enough to explain the perspective, and it did help. I wouldn't discount taking the time to explain the common perspectives here so quickly.

Some suggestion communities are just different vibes, especially the ones left unchecked by larger companies, so it can be good to understand where the opinions are based.

[wanton atlas]

I know but trying to explain

[tidal egret]

????

[wanton atlas]

the thing you're asking for. Rianu mean. just keep playing the game

[crisp cloak]

@next token actually decent idea allows for discussion but not sure on if the reactions would work just as well

[next token]

Discord allows for forum channels to have reactions. It only shows the most reacted though.

What concern did you have

[crisp cloak]

Ik but you can't gloss over them as fast lol

This slow mode has to stop like not active enough to need thiss

[granite geyser]

because threads can't have slow mode...

it's to prevent suggestion spam. there's 0 reason to hurry in posting ideas. It's not a competition

[next token]

I would suggest that if you had forums, those who post many ideas would be in the forum discussing instead of posting.

Also what's wrong with suggestion spam? And would it really be a problem?

Devs, if they read the channel, could always sort by most reacted and see what people are gravitating to

[granite geyser]

same user posting 10 suggestions in a row would be.

someone could post a suggestion but it's quickly buried between many others... from one user

[granite geyser]

they do

and it can't be sorted

[peak bronze]

Devs follow actively suggestions channel. The thing is, (IIRC Smiffe said at some point) that they may implement ideas that they like and might fit to the game, no matter how much it's upvoted/downvoted.

[next token]

Then how about we have both? A forum channel and what we have now

[granite geyser]

for what...?

that just essentially doubles the amount of suggestions devs would have to read

and it'd be necessary to mod two channels instead of one

and people would just be confused as to which channel they should post ideas in

[languid ibex]

Forums aren't a concept that is overlooked by this discord, you can see that by where it is utilized, like #1202740443352137838 .

The choices for channel types are deliberate.

[peak bronze]

I think current system works fine. No need to invent wheel again.

[languid ibex]

Ironic coming from someone being upset by a discord layout.

[peak bronze]

Personal attacks won't help the cause.

[wanton atlas]

forum channels is a pain to moderate. and it would just be worse since then people would discuss the ideas in each post. and people rarely read others suggestion before posting. so it would just make it even harder to read suggestions

[peak bronze]

Seems like they left already.

[crisp cloak]

Lol bro ragequit the discord server 😭

[wanton atlas]

he did

[languid ibex]

Just a drawn out crashout after receiving downvotes, they went from 'why does the community act like this' - to 'I can change the system' pretty quick.

[rose swan]

Downvotes are a hit to the soul for many it seems

[peak bronze]

Like cut from multiple knives (1 downvote = 1 knife).

[rose swan]

Does that mean 1 upvote = 1 bandaid 🤔

[wanton atlas]

how very finnish of you 👀

[granite geyser]

was giving me bad vibes anyway

[granite geyser]

"why aren't people agreeing with everything i say with 0 personal opinions??? i victim"

i saw it from miles away

[peak bronze]

Just a metaphor. 👀

[wanton atlas]

you know it's true tho

[sonic musk]

I have a lot of downvotes in my history of suggestions. I'm still excited to play this game and think of new ideas to improve it. If my suggestions aren't popular that's okay, I'm not the lead dev thank god😆 I am happy with so many things that are in the game already

I just thought of a new suggestion, maybe it could work🤔

[rose swan]

No worries, we all have suggestions that find themselves on the unpopular side

[versed sonnet]

I miss having access to the suggestions before the server reset

Although I'm sure 99% of them have been reposted by now lol

[versed fog]

Not me (yet)

Might suggest horses for fun

[rose swan]

Haha always gotta love the armor customization suggestions!

#suggestions message

[versed fog]

Is that a common one

It was my first suggestion so I probably didn’t look to see

[languid ibex]

I've never looked back on my suggestions, surprised to see I only had one idea majority didn't like. This was definitely my most supported suggestion: #suggestions message

[rose swan]

I’d say it’s uncommon, seen it pop up a few times. A personal favorite of mine.

[stone citrus]

Me too, mainly so I can have access to infinite petty ammo of whoever downvoted everything that exists in valheim today and the future 🤓
Like sloped combat fix
Alas all I have is memory 🙀

All the "I told you so" (s)

[versed fog]

I think I got that idea from using the Fenris armor. Love it in actual gameplay, hate its design. It feels too fantasy for me

Also it’d be easier for devs to reskin a few armors than make entire new armor sets, which could throw off the balance off the game and whatnot

Lot more to consider for that

[mellow crater]

Seem that it worked this time :)

I wonder which suggestion received the most upvotes, which was the most appreciated by the community here. Sadly (or maybe happily) there is no filter for emojis in the search tool

[toxic trail]

I'm stoked my first suggestion is up to 15 upvotes and I just noticed the first downvote has finally occurred.

[rose swan]

#suggestions message I believe it’s this one here 🙂

[mellow crater]

I suppose it is about the free storage it can create. I like the idea for style and decoration but it is true that it allows for a big stack of free weapons slots in one place.

[rose swan]

For some context, there was a long discussion about comfort. We discussed pretty extensively, and this suggestion is a sort of ‘magnum opus’ of what came from it. Unfortunately, the hack followed shortly 😦

[mellow crater]

It reminds me of another long discussion we had once about lorestone and I think another subject but I don’t remember

122 (I added mine) is quite impressive

I am amazed I even found suggestions about dark wood (ashwood ?) and feasts by checking what was suggested in the beginning of the new server (I wasn’t there yet)

[toxic trail]

Funny, I wasn't even thinking about actual storage slots, more the aesthetic look, and, well, picking up a 'full set' when you die and need to make a dangerous run for your gear (Though I mostly run nekid anymore, after picking up a rested effect and eating ofc)

[rose swan]

Magic weapons

[lament zinc]

I might be mistaken, but 2 days without a bear suggestion?

Have the users become lazy or what? 🤔

[stark furnace]

💡 A dungeon in the meadows containing ...

[lament zinc]

Teddy bears?

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-old-milwaukee-beer-drink-party-gif-22890849

[main relic]

How often do suggestions contain bears

[lament zinc]

Too often.

[main relic]

Well it really should happen

[languid ibex]

Why though

[rose swan]

#suggestions message Huge fan of having bulk resource objects/ bulk storage, but I don’t quite think I would like something like generic crates 🤔

[languid ibex]

@plush estuary Not going to lie this sounds like how regular chests operate.

[versed fog]

If anything, it’s a massive oversight that crates aren’t buildable pieces in the game. Don’t the dvergrs have them?

Wait nevermind this guy has a completely different idea

[plush estuary]

I should have put more emphasis on the unique part i guess

[versed fog]

You can actually use the crates from destroyed boats for storage in game

You have to make a cart and fill it with stuff then destroy it

[languid ibex]

I could see a somewhat large crate with 1 storage slot that allows items to stack to say maximum 1000, and uses the icon on the face of the crate.

[plush estuary]

My thought more focused on immersion such as the stacks of wood and stone than the actual functionality of chest which are hard to beat. I Have so much honey I just wanted to stack it up outside my beekeeping hut

[languid ibex]

I hear that, I stacked up barrels for that purpose personally. It looks quite realistic on the outside of my storage building.

[rose swan]

Couldn’t agree more! If a resource is capable of having an in-world storage option, I don’t store that resource in chests.

[languid ibex]

I think the disconnect there is that the stacks of wood/stone have a degree of utility where wood/stone can naturally fall and accumulate, giving necessity to a condensing option on the fly.

I'm not so sure that same logic applies to honey as you're fairly deliberate in the collection.

[plush estuary]

Maybe im not sure what you mean naturally fall and accumulate? but all those stacks are not very natural they mostly look like neatly stacked piles

[languid ibex]

Enemies, or even the player's activities can result in wood and stone laying about the world, increasing the amount of instanced objects. It is handy to have an option to create piles of these resources, rather than scattered objects everywhere.

For example, if you mine silver, stone will fall as well, if you mine a lot of silver, you will have a lot of stone about.

[plush estuary]

Fair thank you for explaining that makes sense

[long glacier]

Resin would work as a pile by that logic because it drops from enemies and small trees

[languid ibex]

I'm suggesting that enemies can topple trees and break stones whilst interacting, not necessarily extending the idea to what enemies drop. Including that would also include virtually any enemy drop.

Sap is also no where near as heavy, and shouldn't be as a big of a burden as wood/stone.

[rose swan]

Really happy to see a fellow stack enjoyer, I feel like stacks are underrated! I agree with Omni on some things- honey might be a weird resource to outwardly store in a believable way… if that makes sense?

But I think things like ingots would make for a great bulk object. I’ve pitched the idea before about having bulk vegetable option- I think that would be interesting and would double as a cool way to decorate ‘kitchen’ areas. Hay bales would be neat, though now that we have the straw piece it might be a little much… maybe? 🤔

#memes-and-clips message something like this for ingots, for example.

[plush estuary]

I crave the deco blocks so having a jar of honey to put in my kitchen would be lovely. I do love the ingot idea. I guess im stuck on honey cause of the mass Excess I have rn. Anything to keep the bees happy

[rose swan]

Fair enough, I can see where you’re coming from. A jar of honey would look really neat, I agree with that!

[languid ibex]

Queen's Jam looks a lot like a jar of honey, and you can put that on a item stand

[rose swan]

Don’t even need an item stand anymore 👀

[languid ibex]

You can just freely place it? 😮

[rose swan]

Yep! With the serving tray! 😁

Speaking of, you can freely place honey and royal jelly as well! Makes decorating hives really easy!

[languid ibex]

I must try this !

[rose swan]

Found it! #building-ideas message just an example of using the serving tray to add a little detailing 🤌
@plush estuary figured you might enjoy this as well!

[languid ibex]

Damn that's lovely

[mellow crater]

Have you ever tried to create a game ?

[main relic]

Yeah, why

[coarse granite]

Also stone piles can very easily be basically infinitely condensed into a single space.

[stiff stag]

I recall one time I placed too many in the same space and they started breaking apart, so there is a limit to how many can be in a single space.

[stark furnace]

Never had issues

I've had 300+ stone piles without any breaking

[languid ibex]

I'd have to imagine you accidentally placed a bunch on top of one that was destroyed

[stiff stag]

I would have noticed if they were on top of another, and they started breaking while I was placing more. Could have just been some very odd placement with the latest ones where they didn't have any support somehow (despite being placed on the ground/terrain). After that happened I just assumed there was some limit and have since split up stacks to avoid it. Seems I've been mistaken this whole time.

[languid ibex]

It's easy enough to not notice that, as you can float them one pixel off the ground attached to the other stone piles.

[stiff stag]

Must be something like that, since I had it happen again in a world with nocost (for testing purposes) in a spot where my cursor stayed still, and it only started happening after placing more than 100 of them.

[crisp cloak]

#suggestions message @storm glen gonna need an explanation

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message there is no rebalance needed because upgraded gear is not a necessity by design, and the game is balanced around just having the gear in general vs not having it.

[crisp cloak]

Why is there "no use for bronze armor"

Surviving in the sunken crypts is not good without it

[rose swan]

Many believe that troll armor far outclasses bronze armor due to it being easier to obtain and being nearly identical in armor points. Also, since troll armor doesn’t give any sort of speed debuff, this is another major buff over bronze armor.

[crisp cloak]

Welp

I didn't kill trolls until quite recently

Also never one to use light armor

I always try to be a tank

[wanton atlas]

bronze armor has to much armor value IMO

but it's not up to me to singlehanded adjust that value

[olive yacht]

what

[rose swan]

Oh really? You think it should be even closer to troll armor in armor points? 🤔

[olive yacht]

the armor is pretty much as low as it could possibly be without being on par or below troll hide armor, which is already considered better thanks to its lack of movement speed penalty (and the set bonus to some)

[rose swan]

I’m going to take a gamble and guess that Smiffe meant troll armor 👀

[olive yacht]

oh i hope so haha

[wanton atlas]

it's like 2 points in defence value between bronze armor and troll armor

[olive yacht]

yea, assuming armor ratings try to avoid uneven numbers, that's as low as it gets

[wanton atlas]

the thing is. bumping the bronze armor upwards, would force us to bump every armor in the game

[olive yacht]

-# i'd say similar sweeping changes are made all the time in both directions, but eh

[wanton atlas]

and the idea is level 4 armor should be the same value as the biome above's lowest number

[peak bronze]

Slightly decrease troll armor then? Like 4 per piece at quality 1.

[wanton atlas]

I would probably personally lower it by 2

[peak bronze]

Basic leather armor has 2 so 4 for troll armor would be good.

[abstract cobalt]

-# would appreciate making sneaking more viable if troll armour is getting nerfed but yeah that's a good compromise i think

[wanton atlas]

more viable?

more sneaky or ?

[olive yacht]

imho the fairest way to balance it would be to simply reduce the movement speed penalty of bronze armor slightly.
yes, it would be inconsistent with later metal sets, but it is the very first one, the jump from 0% movement speed penalty to 10% is felt pretty bad early on, and with your low run skill at that time, it leaves you pretty vulnerable. (to such a degree that the defense difference between bronze and troll hide is negligible)
-# plus, visually the armor doesn't have nearly as much metal on it as iron scale armor so it wouldn't feel too illogical either

[peak bronze]

Not bad idea either.

-3% or -2%?

[olive yacht]

i'd lean towards -3%

[wanton atlas]

Hm..
lower defence of troll armor, but make it faster? 🤔

[olive yacht]

walmart fenris set

[wanton atlas]

yes

[peak bronze]

Fast smurf then.

[wanton atlas]

root armor has only -2% movespeed

remember also. no helmest slows you down

[peak bronze]

Yes, aware of it.

[languid ibex]

Not to encourage suggestion dogpiling, but I would upvote this change very quickly.

[olive yacht]

-# is there a suggestion being dogpiled on xvx i didn't look at the suggestions channel before i saw smiffe's message

[peak bronze]

No such suggestion according to quick search.

[olive yacht]

well, my suggestion here is up for grabs, i'm still wakin up haha

[peak bronze]

Actually, some had mentioned the MS penalty of bronze armor set but suggested adding some kind of set bonus.

How about slightly altering the crafting recipes: making troll armor slightly costier (like 7 or 8 troll leather per piece) and bronze armor bit less costier (4 bronze per piece)?

[olive yacht]

not bad either

[languid ibex]

Referring to the rebalance early game armor suggestion just posted, it can be considered dogpiling if each suggestion following is just, "what they said, but better." 😅

[peak bronze]

Ah, I see.

[olive yacht]

yea that wasn't my intention, oopsie haha

-# i just saw smiffe state a wild take and every cell in my body went "what"

[wanton atlas]

wild take? 😄

[olive yacht]

bronze armor having too much armor when it is already almost identical to troll hide

[wanton atlas]

troll armor could lower armor value, but be faster

while bronze armor probably could be abit cheaper just like it was pointed out 🤔

[olive yacht]

with that context, the opinion makes more sense

[wanton atlas]

also bronze armor not having so bad of a speed loss

most people also use a shield for the first time, which also makes you slower even more

[crisp cloak]

Mhm

Tower shields hurt to move with, my R key is getting worn down

[languid ibex]

Trading one pain for another haha

[peak bronze]

The initial shock probably has worn out already?

[lament zinc]

#suggestions message 2 words: Dvergr Circlet.

[sick breach]

How does that fuel all torches, fireplaces, and hearths at once? Or are you suggesting that instead of using light sources you just always wear a circlet?

[wanton atlas]

sounds like someone don't care about tourches don't use magic to stat alive

and building spotlights would be more apropriate

[sick breach]

I suppose, though expensive. At that point just use wisp torches.

But i didn't get how a dverger circlet was supposed to solve what the suggestion was asking for.

[lament zinc]

No, what I mean is that you can hook up a Dvergr Circlet to an item stand and turn that into a permanent light option you don't have to refuel.

[crisp cloak]

What the

What is this vision

Instead of using fuel you use money

[tardy jasper]

Dvergr lantern is good too

[lament zinc]

True, but that one is pretty close to end-game. Dvergr circlet is available earlier, making it a good alternative lightsource.

[tardy jasper]

yeah but i think with a nice optimised base you dont have to put many torches, they have already a huge light area (bigger than wisp torche and dervgr lantern)
The only suggestion i have about torches and camp fire, is a way to refill as much as i can with 1 bind, like shift+F / Keep F / alt+F etc...

[rose swan]

#suggestions message could use charcoal resin 🤔

[zenith sand]

perhaps even sulphur

[stark furnace]

Fortresses in concept art + teasers had purple braziers so idk

[rose swan]

Are the charred associated with the Dyrnwyn quest purple-ish?

[stark furnace]

2 star charred are like yellow and orange but the spawners are purple 🤔

[rose swan]

Huh, interesting 🧐

[stark furnace]

#suggestions message Hotbar?

[peak bronze]

Welp, not for me. Otherwise I accidentally use meads when not needed.

Too used to have certain tools always on hotbar to replace them with meads.

[lament zinc]

Must be a shitload of tools. I got weapons, (sword / mace) shield, bow, axe, pickaxe, hammer on my hotbar and still got two slots left for healing and stamina potions.

And no accidentally drinking potions when I have them in that order.

[peak bronze]

I always have building hammer, pickaxe and axe with me. No unnecessary tools like cultivator or serving tray.

[topaz kite]

I could put my terraria muscle memory to use if there were a keybind for mana/health potions

[rose swan]

Was just about say this this would be an excellent thing

[granite geyser]

That's called "putting them in the hotbar"

[topaz kite]

I don’t see how terraria muscle memory is in the hotbar? Terraria it’s “h” for heals & “b” for buffs.

[mellow crater]

I would keep the hotbar system. Having a decitated keybind would give a feeling of “special ability” instead of “using stuff I cooked myself”.

[languid ibex]

Why not train up some Valheim muscle memory, it's more universal anyways.

[lament zinc]

Why having Valheim using systems of other games?
Does that mean if we get a dedicated key to something, we also start to get crafting from chests and larger inventory, special puppets for armor and weapons all that Q(oL)rap?

Valheim is unique because of the way things are designed in that game.
So whatever needs to be done, turning it into a "13-in-a-dozen" like so many other games are doing by copying how things are dealt with in other games is not the right path.

[topaz kite]

Would suggesting a meed hotkey really ruin its uniqueness?

[wanton atlas]

there are mods for that

and if you want, just put them in the 1-8 slot

[stark furnace]

For Fader I have a "bzerker mead" slot and it's on #4

[wanton atlas]

I got hammer on 8, and meads on 5-6-7

[jagged sigil]

@sinful hawk stop cooking no ones hungry

[sinful hawk]

I'm very hungry

[mellow crater]

@sinful hawk keep playing.

You will have your tamed skeletton

[sinful hawk]

Really? When

[jagged sigil]

dont believe him, he hasnt even played the game before

[peak bronze]

Axe 6, pickaxe 7, hammer 8. Shield on 2, 1h weapons on 1 and 3, 2h weapon on 4 and bow/xbow on 5.

If I replace any with mead I accidentally use meads when not needed lol.

[rose swan]

I mean, being able to rebind hotkeys could also be an accessibility thing. I don’t know, I think it’s a stretch to say that such an option would take away from Valheim’s uniqueness 😅

It’s not like we don’t currently have rebinding options already; I use a side mouse button for sprinting. I don’t feel being able to sprint using a different input affects my experience negatively in any way.

Unless there’s already a way to rebind the hot bar? I could just be remembering incorrectly, and if that’s the care fair enough

[pale drum]

||magic staff in Mistlands||

[pale drum]

You can edit the registry file I believe, but not in-game

[errant mauve]

I came here to say the tamed skeleton is coming 😅

[wanton atlas]

comming?

[crisp cloak]

...

[errant mauve]

Dude in suggestions was asking for a tamed skeleton.
I was going to say that will eventually happen so keep playing but someone got there before me.

[peak bronze]

Skelett.

[wanton atlas]

erm.

you will never ever be able to tame skeletons ingame

[crisp cloak]

Blood magic skeletons

[errant mauve]

Yep not taming. But they are tamed.
Not what OP meant but literally is true.

[peak bronze]

Yes. Technically skeletts act like ones tho. But taming otherwise isn't in game.

Nor is necessary IMO.

[wanton atlas]

Raising skeletons and taming a enemy skeleton is completly diffrent things

[crisp cloak]

BUT the raised skeletons are tamed

[errant mauve]

I know. What I think we were trying to do was hint at something coming later in the gameplay without spoiling too much.

[wanton atlas]

it will NEVER come

EVER

[errant mauve]

Later in the game
Not later in the development of the game

[wanton atlas]

do you know who I am?

[errant mauve]

OK youre literally working on the game right?
I appreciate what youre saying.
But me and other people clarified the distinction above. Like I say, we wanted to hint at something without spoiling too much.

[wanton atlas]

there is a DIFFRENCE between raising skeletons with a staff. and taming them like chickens

[errant mauve]

Of course.

[wanton atlas]

you won't trick or catch skeletons in a pen and feed them something to slowly win them over to your side

[errant mauve]

I completely beleive you.

[wanton atlas]

so don't say like it will be a thing down the line later in the game. it will confuse everyone that haven't gotten to that part of the game where you have a staff to raise the dead

[rose swan]

Can’t tame chickens technically 🤓

[versed fog]

he meant it will be a thing as they progress through the existing game

[wanton atlas]

yes and no

wording is important here

[humble parrot]

hey, Can i ask about the timen of the respawn on the last bio? its super hard to clean every 5 mint

[peak bronze]

They technically have same interface as tamed animals as they show their alertness level, hunger (although they cannot be fed) and you can pet them. But it's not the same still.

[crisp cloak]

Just throw a bunch of food

[zenith sand]

this seems like asking for a trough, or animal food holder, and i'm all for it. especially if the food has to be placed in by the player and not automatic nonsense

[zenith sand]

or this

[granite geyser]

I don't see the point of a trough

[stiff stag]

It would be purely aesthetic, which isn't always a bad thing, but as far as functionality goes it's redundant and unnecessary.

[languid ibex]

A trough would be handy imo, some pen sizes make breeding tricky with fluctuating moments of when a tame limit in an area is hit. This means food won't be utilized as intended in a lot of cases, and you can effectively stock beyond what's needed to mitigate this.

[rose swan]

One could say that trough would prevent the player from unintentionally picking up their tames’ food when tending to them, but admittedly that’s a bit nit-picky. If such an object existed, I would just slap it on to Hildirs shop after completing one of her quests, similar to the harvest set.

[stark furnace]

Seems like a good hildir item i like it

[languid ibex]

Even just keeping tames fed outside of wanting to breed is a nice thing, and could inherently create healthier tame pathing cycles instead of just, piling up in a corner for eternity.

[sonic musk]

I built a pen around my friend before he logged back in, then threw him some meat. Instead of taming he was very aggressive, not sure why

[errant mauve]

He was angry because you didnt give him a campfire to cook it

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message Why necks
They're usually wet, not dry

[wanton atlas]

it's the usual

[peak bronze]

Necks are the usual casualties for those kind of suggestions lol.

Seems like it was 11 days since last rain coat/cape suggestion, so that goes to 0 now.

[rose swan]

A neck suit

[wanton atlas]

someone made a super nice looking suggestion years ago

[peak bronze]

Looks cool. I wouldn't mind honestly something that cool looking but not for making immune to rain, since necks get wet too.

[wanton atlas]

yeah

tho super bloated early game 😄

here is a selection of 5 armors to choose from

[peak bronze]

Not so bloated honestly.

4 armor sets in first 2 biomes.

[wanton atlas]

at most later you get 3

[peak bronze]

And more experienced players skip first 2 and go for troll armor first.

[stark furnace]

Experienced players use armor?

[wanton atlas]

nope

not even pants I've heard 🤔

[stark furnace]

yup it's the new trend

[peak bronze]

You got me.

[wanton atlas]

I know a certain someone who will just love the combat update 👀

[peak bronze]

Is the certain someone in the room with us now?

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/scale-opposites-maybe-balance-gif-5526735

[mellow crater]

So curious about this update

[wanton atlas]

best update ever

[mellow crater]

Woah, considering the content of the last 3 updates, it means a lot

[wanton atlas]

I mean

[peak bronze]

How do you manage Smiffe? Keeping all those cool details by yourself and teasing us with such hints?

[wanton atlas]

what it does is upgrades the game to another level 🤔

[lusty latch]

I'm hopin the next update have some more building content, but regardless, hyped to see what it'll contain

[mellow crater]

I really wonder how deep it goes in the system

[crisp cloak]

Deep norf maybe

[wanton atlas]

building content isn't the meaning in a combat update 👀

[lusty latch]

I may be a dumb

[peak bronze]

Deep North surely will have new building pieces, as hinted in one of those Hervor Bloodtooth videos.

But anything related combat is really nice. 👌

[lusty latch]

True true

I keep spinnin with my Atgeir just to see the result

[wanton atlas]

spin-to-win

[lusty latch]

Speeeeeeen ✨

[crisp cloak]

🎰

[peak bronze]

Spin could get slight nerf honestly. 🎰

Very strong spin.

[lusty latch]

But it's fun to see the enemies fly D:

[rose swan]

Oh wow this actually looks neat! (Not advocating for it to be in-game, just appreciate the art!)

[peak bronze]

True it's fun, but having 6x stagger multiplier is very strong. Makes other stagger options look not so good.

[lusty latch]

That is a fair point

Can you see how big the stagger chance/multiplier is in-game?

I see a parry bonus, which I'm guessing is the equivalent?

[peak bronze]

Wiki should state it per weapon type. In weapon stats you see blocking/parrying stats.

Parry multiplier adds to blocking when you parry with your weapon/shield.

[lusty latch]

Gotcha

[peak bronze]

Stagger isn't stated in weapon stats, but some I recall are 1,5x for battleaxes primary, 4x for battleaxes secondary, 6x for atgeir and fists secondary, 2.5x for 1h secondary and 2x for 2h sledges.

[rose swan]

6x stagger for atgeir is bananas 😅

[lusty latch]

Warrior's tool, indeed

[peak bronze]

I'd switch the multiplier numbers of battleaxe and atgeir secondaries. As secondary poke of battleaxe deals half damage it's basically currently 2x stagger as full damage. 6x for full damage of atgeir is bananas as said.

[lusty latch]

Would make sense design-wise.
Battleaxes do look like they'd pack more of a punch compared to Atgeirs

[peak bronze]

Yeah, they would be more on par with each other if multiplier numbers were switched.

[rose swan]

Officially banana tier

[peak bronze]

4x for atgeir would still be strong.

[lusty latch]

Would you say 2x would be more fitting?

[peak bronze]

Dunno, if it was lowered too much you could imagine the outrage.

Atgeir gang rising with torches.

[lusty latch]

I'd definitely be a bit miffed
4x would be a reasonable start, at least

The amount of stagger, would it affect how long an enemy ends up staggered?

[rose swan]

Agreeing with you by the way! 😁

(Not calling you banana tier)

[lusty latch]

Also, sorry if I'm asking any obvious questions, still kinda new to the game

[stark furnace]

4x stagger would effect the harder difficulties but not the base

[peak bronze]

It differs in all mobs in my experience. Some have longer duration (draugrs) and some shorter (greydwarf shamans). Adding higher stagger doesn't affect to duration of stagger, it just fills up stagger meter faster.

[lusty latch]

Ahhh okay

[peak bronze]

And I say this as 2h weapon enjoyer (atgeirs included), atgeirs are great but OP with their AoE secondary stagger, which outshines other options tremendously.

So small amount of balancing never does harm, to make other options look more appealing too.

[lusty latch]

Yeah, better than making huge changes all at once

[rose swan]

Solid explanation!

[sick breach]

They can't hold the torches and atgeir at the same time, nothing to worry about.

[arctic wharf]

I'll stick with my axes

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message We already have a tool that can do that and it's accessible from the meadows stage of the game. Along with a pickaxe and a bit of effort from the player's end you can flatten the ground in areas.

Makes the suggestion sound like a joke knowing such an early tool already does what's being asked for.

[rose swan]

Sounds like they want a hoe with a huge radius and extra power, which I think there’s a mod for that’s been rising in popularity 🤔

Weirdly enough, been seeing handful of suggestions recently having to do with mods it seems.

If you want to build big, be ready to put in the labor

[crisp cloak]

#suggestions message terrains not voxels cannot make it have a hole, and having a dungeon to build in is not happening, mostly due to it being indestructable so raids are completely negated

Having a base in a dungeon would be wayy too op

[wanton atlas]

we have said before that valheim isn't a dwarf building tunnel game 😅

@sinful hawk if you want the ground to be super-flat.
Go into settings and remove the Tesselation setting

[somber remnant]

Anyone have any thoughts on replacing the shield generators with something like a rune stone? The generators feel a little out of place in the game to me.

[languid ibex]

We already have a rudimentary version of it earlier in the game(Ward), but considering our understanding of technologies progress so far within Valheim, it's not out of place(imo).

I think if you view Valheim through the lense of known/proven Viking lore only, it can seem out of place, but Valheim is a pseudo-representative of more than just 1 of the 9 realms.

[mellow crater]

When you get to mistlands, everything start to look out of place xD

[crisp cloak]

#suggestions message the trend of "theres a mod for this" continues, just use PlantEverything for those like we do smh

@fierce ore

[rose swan]

Mods aren’t available to console players IIRC 🤔

[crisp cloak]

Damn

They have to play the game in the way its supposed to be played

[rose swan]

I disagree with the suggestion, but I don’t think there being a mod available or not affects the validity of a suggestion

[main relic]

Or just get good and get a PC

[wanton atlas]

that's not how it works tho 😄

[hexed jewel]

personally if it didn't end up being a back-end technical nightmare to implement i think the "default" way planting crops should work is basically how the "FarmGrid" mod handles it, just effectively snaps (and also adds a faint grey square grid overlay to see the available snap points more easily) the crops a suitable distance apart from other crops once you place one, not unlike how build pieces snap together as is, and like building you can hold shift to make it NOT snap; I think that just is a QoL upgrade and there's nothing lost/noting gained maintaining just extra time and tedium being forced to manually place crop rows every time you want to plant a field

[languid ibex]

I still want a Crop Raiser staff with the same animation as Dead Raiser, and it just pops up a row of 6-8 of the selected crop, depending on the upgrade level.

[hexed jewel]

LOL

[languid ibex]

Plantmancy is a slept on eitr sink 😅

To be clear, this would be planting the crop, not raising instantly grown crops.

[stiff stag]

A custom plants vs zombies skeletts mini game.

[errant mauve]

Has this been discussed before: When each boss is defeated, mobs in previous biomes are gradually replaced with 3 star / 4 star etc. mobs so they provide a comparable challenge to the current biome? Perhaps this could be an optional setting, perhaps the souped up versions could drop loot from that biome they wouldn't normally drop, e.g. 4 star Greydwarves drop copper ore. I understand we already have something similar to this with how Fulings start spawning in the Meadows after Yagluth etc.

[wanton atlas]

sounds like a newgame+ idea

[tardy jasper]

When you finish the ashlands and charred skel start to spawn in meadow at night i assure you its not necessary to have 3-4 starred enemy 🤣

[peak bronze]

1 star warriors can deal devastating damage enough, how about 4 star warrior?

[stark furnace]

Would much rather we go in a different way of adding difficulty to the game

[tardy jasper]

Imagine a Reto event like hildir event

But the funny things is you can face a 10 star warrior the would still die stun lock by mistwalker 🤣

[lofty wave]

A silver sword would kill it faster

[tardy jasper]

i never try silver sword rank 4 in ashland, its so obvious it would work so i never try 🤔

[lofty wave]

It's worse than mistwalker against most enemies but will deal more damage for less stamina against charred and valkyries

[peak bronze]

I kinda anticipated long ago before the Ashlands update that silver weapons could be viable in Ashlands due to their extra spirit damage.

[tardy jasper]

Its like the Bow in Mistland tier (dont know the name in english), it clear valkyries very fast too

[peak bronze]

Spinesnap.

[tardy jasper]

yeah ! this one

[peak bronze]

That + frost arrows make quick work against charred and valkyries.

[tardy jasper]

frost arrow deal enough damage compared to charred arrow ?

[lofty wave]

It would depend on what you're shooting at. The charred arrow is better for valkyries but I'm not sure about any other ashlands enemies.

[tardy jasper]

Ok Ok,
Its one of the things i reaaaally like in the game, is when if you want to optimize your gear you had to re-use old tier item

it add to the game way more depth, more than just "new biome => craft the new gear => kill the boss => new biome => repeat"

[peak bronze]

At least against pierce resistant enemies (charred, Morgen, lava blobs). Charred arrow to other mobs.

[tardy jasper]

Okay good to know, gonna farm some stack of it so

[peak bronze]

One exception is charred Warlock which resists frost damage.

Silver arrows can be useful too, since silver has not many uses at that point of game.

[tardy jasper]

Its ok for warlock, situation we met them finish every time by using bonemass then just kill everything with thunder axes 😁
Dont have time to deal with them x)

[pale drum]

#suggestions message Basically a random death event for first-time players

[rose swan]

Would be unnecessary for first time players, provide basically no challenge to experienced players. Starred creatures don’t even spawn close to spawn, so they wouldn’t really make a difference. Yeah, no real reason to have starred greylings 🤔

Not to mention they’re already weaker versions of greydwarves anyways

[languid ibex]

Starred Gulls when!

[pale drum]

shoots seagull
Hey, how the fuck is it still ali-
Dies to seagull swarm

[pale drum]

#suggestions message We got spears for that mid-range

[rose swan]

Alright… but the Castlevania fan in me really likes the idea of whips….

…But alas, better suited for a mod I think. Would be interesting though!

[pale drum]

#suggestions message Would make a nice alternative for plains armor that uses less iron

[young hedge]

Kinda what I was thinking of lol

[rose swan]

Actually started watching Castlevania again last night, so it’s pretty funny seeing a whip suggestion

[young hedge]

ME TOO, THATS WHY I THOUGHT OF IT XD

[rose swan]

Nocturne, season 2??

[young hedge]

Still on season 1 but yes

[rose swan]

Ayyyy that’s awesome! Hope you enjoy it as much as I did!

[fathom atlas]

#suggestions message how come this gets downvoted? and no, "there is a mod for this" is not a valid answer

[zenith sand]

it's a pretty good idea tbh, maybe as a post fader thing

[peak bronze]

Foraging is intended part of the game, it would take that part away if forageable resources became farmable. It's just easy to mark the spots for berries and mushrooms on map and make a run when needed, especially with Fenris armor and Ratatosk tonic.

And it has been voiced by devs that it will not become a thing to be able to plant berry bushes or mushrooms.

[wanton atlas]

it's a very lazy way to make the game into farmville once you cleared a biome

[topaz kite]

I like this idea, maybe have early resources locked further down the progression road?. There’s just a lot of small things that take the focus from the focus on mid-late game & this is one

[lament zinc]

That idea also stops players from exploring the lands.

Which is one of the core parts of the game.

[wanton atlas]

yeah. how will you ever find the traders if you never explore

[topaz kite]

maybe even a gamemode similar to portaling copper that allows unconventional recipes or planting

[wanton atlas]

?

unconventional recepies or planting?

making a game mode like teleporting ores is like a 10-15 minut job

creating a entire new system takes alot longer time

days, weeks. or something. depends on how much work it is

[peak bronze]

And before anyone says "Modmaker did it in few hours!", yeah cool, but modmaker doesn't manage the whole game codes/files etc. so it doesn't make the game unstable.

[wanton atlas]

plant anything mod doesn't need every single item to have new line of code that it "unlocks" correctly in every previously biome once a boss has been killed

so it would take alot of handholding

[stiff stag]

Boggles the mind how many people don't understand that modders are just hobbyists that can skip any amount of due process. Their ability to put out changes/additions swiftly is nothing more than an illusion.

Although it's a moot point. Whether it can be done quickly or not is just one hurdle to clear and doesn't mean something should be added.

[lofty field]

It could just be a PlantAnything global key, that just unlocks everything, independent of defeated bosses. I guess you would still have to add recipes for everything though.
On that note, I boss dependent mode for the teleport all mode, where you could only teleport ores/metal of previous biomes, could be cool.

[wanton atlas]

it still would need alot of hand-holding to get it to work

[lofty field]

The biggest difference is, that modders are not required to support the mod in the future, they can just drop it whenever they like. So they can implement things fast, easy and hacky with little regard for how that will work out in the future

[wanton atlas]

From a game design point of view. it's very lazy for players

[fierce ore]

I know the "plant anything mod" solves the thing and... well, if we go that avenue, everything could be a mod and whatever.
My proposal didn't involved turning everything farmable, nor making it from scratch. I DO believe the exploration in the game is awesome, and yes, I can mark down patches of berries to come back and forage. My point is that, after a certain point in progression, after Yag for instance, going all the way back to meadows and take a walk for berries is kind of trivial enough that being able to cultivate some of those early resources shouldn't be a problem.
That said, I can totally agree with the devs point and endorse it.

[wanton atlas]

but why would you need berries that late?

only few things you would actually need are mushrooms for wolf skever

[languid ibex]

To be fair Tasty Mead never loses it's usefulness, but you can always create a portal chain that includes multiple berry patches.

[peak bronze]

You know some people just want to hoard everything and much.

[uncut linden]

What if there was a bit of a passive regrowth mechanic?
If there isn't enough bushes in a randomly picked spot, but at least one or two, the game spawns one that's empty and you have to wait to harvest.
Definitely would be a performance hit if the game was running checks like that all the time, so it would be fairly rare and probably could only happen a certain distance from players (not too close and not too far)

[wanton atlas]

then they should either spawn it in, use the multipler or just do it manually

[wanton atlas]

what for?

there are probably 100,000 bushes in the game that already respawns

minimum

and why do you need like 1 million strawberries? blueberries for?

if you just say "I want to be able to decorate my base" then I get it

[uncut linden]

I was thinking because logging can have so many bush casualties, even if you're being careful
It makes me sad when a log I couldn't stop murders bushes.. this being a thing would make it less sad, especially early game when you're likey logging a lot

[wanton atlas]

I am not a programmer so I can say much about the amount of work it would require. but the ability to plant something in a previous biome once you cleared it would be a really really workful task for the only reason to be lazy as player

[languid ibex]

I enjoy the foraging aspect personally, whenever I come across of a patch of berry bushes larger than 10, I will mark it to later include in my berry portal chain. I'm up to about 15 patches that are all interconnected, and it only takes roughly 6 minutes to gather 75 or so of each berry this way.

[wanton atlas]

and then. how would the game deal with multiplayer

should there be an additonal setting if you haven't killed a boss?

so many veriables, just for an option

[rose swan]

Something to also consider is that the farming skill can boost your foraging harvest. Foraging really isn’t all that time consuming 🤔

[peak bronze]

^True, you can get extra berries/mushrooms sometimes.

[proud mason]

#suggestions message Just bring a pocket portal?

and if you're talking immersive mode, then portals are a no-go anyway

[sinful hawk]

Ah I forgot about the pocket portals, look at my new suggestion

[rose swan]

Seems like an extremely powerful effect for a potion 🤔

Would create complications in multiplayer as well I would imagine.

[sinful hawk]

I think it'd be quite interesting

[lapis falcon]

I feel like just allowing sleep during the day (+ adding a cooldown so you can't abuse timeskip) would work better, would also not mess with mp

[lofty wave]

You can already sleep at noon

[rose swan]

I’m assuming they meant to skip to the night time 🤔

Not a bad idea, but would be easy to abuse crop growth.

[lapis falcon]

Thats why I am saying to put a cooldown afterwards, like a "you are not tired" forcing you to wait 12 ingame hours/ equivalent of a day or night cycle

[lapis falcon]

Yeah that's what I meant, needless to say, I feel like it would be more like a gimmick feature since I find myself already feeling like there is more night than day anyways, but thats just me

[rose swan]

Agreed on the gimmick part, not really sure what skipping to night would do for Valheim 🤔
I get that there are night spawns that are useful to tame, but I don’t think there are enough reasons to justify a feature that allows for skipping to night.

[peak bronze]

I'm using night time for mundane things like farming and going in dungeons in my current run (with no sleep rule).

[granite geyser]

modders can also even add stuff that have absolutely ZERO relation with the whole theme, they could add space ships and fire guns if they want, the key differences are:

1. It's a mod, you can very perfectly choose to NOT use it

2. the fact that it's a mod means it can be whatever it needs to be based on author discretion and it would not matter

Devs can't do any of that. It'd be very insanely stupid if devs added some shit like a space ship in a medieval viking game. With the other difference being that it's there for EVERYONE, i can choose to not use it, but not to not have it there in the game (the fact that it would would be enough to be annoyed)

[lofty wave]

How else would we go up to Valhalla though

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message any examples?

[proud mason]

If i had to take a guess they'd probs want more lighting build pieces or perchance even better fire arrows (cuz the fire damage of the normal ones fall off at the swamps already)

[rose swan]

Dual-wielding fireball staves

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/beam-me-up-scotty-gif-11313969

[topaz kite]

Body paint

[rose swan]

Might be hard to make paint, scars and tattoos look good given the artistic style of Valheim

[topaz kite]

Rip media links

[languid ibex]

@oblique gyro I mean each station has a cluster of items, they are sorted by station to a degree, but there is always the /sort command

[oblique gyro]

A player shouldn’t need some command that’s not listed in game. Fix the UI. Inventory items should combine also. It’s annoying when your inventory is full and you look and you have two partial stacks of something for whatever reason.

[stark furnace]

Ye if you take all from chest it doesn't combine the loot (at least in a dungeon), they should fix that sometime

[rose swan]

Oh? Does it not? 🤔 guess I never noticed somehow lol

[stark furnace]

Yea i notice it most in burial chambers, if you pick up say a ruby from the ground, then loot a ruby from the chest, they will not combine and stack together, you have to do it manually

[lament zinc]

Often goes for mined iron scraps and iron from a chest as well.

[languid ibex]

I think it will check if all other slots are full

But that doesn't prevent an eventual unnecessary double stack

[languid ibex]

The command is listed in the game, but I will agree it's not the most intuitive option.

[wanton atlas]

lets us get to 1.0 first before complaining 😄

[stark furnace]

Which is why I said sometime

[languid ibex]

Hmmm smiffe knows something we don't 🤔 😅

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-crow-write-that-down-writing-notes-cute-adorable-gif-12834249953802171055

[wanton atlas]

yeah. super wierd since it's the same object and ID code

same happens something with burial champers items the first time you pick them up

[oblique gyro]

Where is it listed? I haven’t seen it

[languid ibex]

Im fairly certain it is presented in the /help or /commands in the chat bar.

Unsure how it is accessed atm

[oblique gyro]

I play single player. I’ve barely noticed the emotes. 🤓

[languid ibex]

Ah, to each their own I suppose, I personally went over everything possible.

But I did agree it's not intuitive

[rose swan]

I think tweaking the way enchanting works would help alleviate the list on the black forge, especially if it’s going to be expanded on in the Deep North.

[sick breach]

Yeah if enchants were listed similar to styles maybe?

[pale drum]

#suggestions message This has been suggested before, and two of the main problems that came up is that 1) raids are supposed to catch you with your pants down and this kind of ruins that, especially when you could prevent all the naturally-occurring raids by spawnproofing a massive area and only actually fight the artificially started ones, and 2) this would be really broken for farming stuff as instead of a random event that adds interest to the game, you basically have a button you can push for when you're running low on wolf meat or gold or bone fragments or whatever.

Tl;Dr this change makes raids too farmable, which is against the spirit of the game

[languid ibex]

That's an awesome idea tbh

[rose swan]

Agreed, I think that’s a step in the right direction.

[sick breach]

Only issue is whether styles support changing the build recipe when you pick a different style. If they did that would allow a lot consolidation; the banners for example could just be one menu item.

[mellow crater]

Oh yes, enchants working like styles would be great, on the condition that :

• Styles changes the recipe (well, else it just doesn't work)
• Players can change the style of an item (in case we forgot to select a style, just as it occur so often with shields currently)

[fierce ore]

About the "raid summon thing", I do believe that summoning raids could be "too much". However, a middle ground of reasonable level could be having a kind of ritual in wich you burn several trophies at a bonfire and it enrages a faction, increasing it spawning for some time. Similar to how love potions call for trolls, but for other mobs.

[pale drum]

That's a pretty good compromise - not hellspawns like a raid, but an increased rate to cut down on time spent hunting mobs.

[languid ibex]

I don't think this would work unless there was a random element implemented to where you sacrifice the trophies/items. Otherwise you could just force certain enemy drops to appear endlessly in a controlled space, which is easily abused.

I could see it being alright if the place you sacrificed these things randomly requests a different raid's materials once a day/after each previous sacrifice.

[fierce ore]

One option would be like the banquets. For each one you need the trophies (so, you already proven to hunt those guys a lot) and one bought item from an NPC. Besides, it wouldn't be a "mobs ar incoming madly at you", just a increase spawn rates. The love potion is a reasonable cheap item, that increases the troll spawn from 5% to 25%, while also increasing stars. You still have to roam and hunt 'em.

[languid ibex]

I see what you mean, but this is just a pseudo difficulty increase that comes at a cost, not exactly interesting imo. The same could be said for the Love Potion, but players do utilize trolls for destruction.

[errant mauve]

This isnt a replacement for raids. Its a seperate gameplay mechanic similar to a raid.

[granite geyser]

@signal leaf

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/World_Modifiers

[pale drum]

But it shares enough of the same qualities to make it problematic.

[pale drum]

This right here was a nice refinement of the idea imo

[errant mauve]

I used the raids to help explain the concept, this would work very differently and I dont think would be problematic in the ways suggested. This would have an entirely separate set of mobs potentially with differing star levels, spawn patterns, loot etc. as well.

In this scenario we leave raids alone so thats OK. In terms of being overly farmable, everything in the game is farmable to an extent, the question is does that break the gameplay in some way? Does it trivialise getting hold of a certain crafting material?

I would suggest the mobs (which by the way, could have some degree of randomness to them so you dont know what you'll get) dont drop any loot at all, you only get a single cache of loot if you complete the challenge, which could contain lets say a material which you need to upgrade a certain end-game weapon plus an offering for the next tier of challenge. You get 3x T1 caches, that gives you enough offerings to create the beacon for your first T2 beacon and so on.

I cant say if the idea has legs.
But what I will say is this is exactly the sort of end game activity the game needs after deep north.

[pale drum]

Ah, that makes more sense. Specifying that the monsters don't drop anything would be a huge difference.

[wanton atlas]

@oblique gyro have you finished the game before posting ideas and suggestions?
Not all monsters in the game have a stared version...

[wanton atlas]

@fringe moon that option already exists

[fringe moon]

it does?

[wanton atlas]

yes 😅

[fringe moon]

did i miss something, how?

[wanton atlas]

but the vanilla gameplay will never allow you to build in dungeons

but we have settings for it in the game

[fringe moon]

wait where wtf

i could’ve sworn it was only done with mods before?

[peak bronze]

#suggestions message You can, but only things that don't require workbench.

[peak bronze]

Console commands allow that too iirc.

[fringe moon]

which is a lot no?

[peak bronze]

Few things like campfire, log bench and sign (from my memory).

[fringe moon]

id say like, a full on base would be nice to do

[wanton atlas]

cooking rack

[wanton atlas]

just enable the setting I showed and test it out

[peak bronze]

Well, Smiffe showed above the command to allow building in dungeons.

[fringe moon]

the more you know i guess

[peak bronze]

Forgot that one lol.

[wanton atlas]

😄

because it's not a setting here. which are the more general settings

[lofty wave]

A full base in a dungeon would be completely unreachable by enemies

[wanton atlas]

and you're not a dwarf

that's the Mines of moria game 😄

[oblique gyro]

Of course….that’s why I said “where applicable”.

[peak bronze]

#suggestions message Coming in when game goes 1.0.

[wanton atlas]

only seen achivements being mentioned like 1000 times

so if I see it 1001 times.

....

[peak bronze]

Days without achievement suggestion?

[wanton atlas]

not far between

[granite geyser]

you know it shouldn't be hard to make a bot to remove suggestions with certain keywords...

there was one to tell people about forgetting lightbulb.

I'm sure a bot that auto deletes redundant suggestions which have horses, bears, achievements, etc and message the user might not be hard to do. And it saves everyone a headache from reading the same suggestion posted for the 254234623563th time

"Add flying-"

remove suggestion, DM user stating that it will absolutely NEVER be a thing with reasoning

end of story

[errant mauve]

That doesnt help with the context though. What if the suggestion was original and good like 'Raids with flying trolls'

(jk that would be terrible but still, keywords dont take context into account)

You could use AI which would be able to consider context as well, but it would take some doing

[wanton atlas]

it's not. but the people who never posted a suggestion before would be confused

[granite geyser]

how would they?

it's not like it would be without a DM explaining

although keywording might be tricky considering what's mentioned above

[errant mauve]

I got server muted yesterday for 10 minutes for saying 'ceiling cat is watching you xxxxx' (except the xs were a different word obviosuly)

[languid ibex]

I think allowing a suggestion no matter how often something suggested/confirmed to not be happening- can still offer some benefit to developers and community alike. If something is suggested very often, the idea can be refined and adapted to something much more likely to happen, and suggested in a new form. (See #suggestions message as an example, where planting berry bushes was denied, this is a well thought & refined variant of that.)

When I was dealing with suggestions for a game I was developing, we took both upvotes and number of times something is suggested into account, which doesn't guarantee anything, but could result in something similar/more simple being added.

[granite geyser]

ship weaponry like cannons

my favorite moments of history is when vikings used cannons for naval combat and raiding.

||insert "b-but magik there" argument here||

[rose swan]

Magic cannon that shoots magic cannon balls

[granite geyser]

which is just the character model with an ember staff

[versed sonnet]

To be fair, it is better than just an "add ocean content" lol

But an ocean boss with some more dynamics and combat mechanics added to the sailing would be pretty cool

[pale drum]

If you can't kill serpents without a cannon, I'm sorry but that's a skill issue

[hexed jewel]

if you CAN kill them with a catapult though, that's a skill demonstration

[languid ibex]

0.001% have this achievement unlocked. 😅

Seriously though don't make this an achievement. 🙏

[hexed jewel]

lol

[lament zinc]

Days without Achievements being suggested: 0
Days without hatches being suggested: 0

[topaz kite]

Days without Suggestions philosophy: 0

[wanton atlas]

hatchets?

[lament zinc]

#suggestions message

[wanton atlas]

aaaah

also throwing weapons (axes and knives) are a very common thing

[topaz kite]

-# I saw what was deleted