suggestion-discussion

[solemn cape]

we moved past that,.. try to keep up

Why would a player need to load data about the world from other players when there is a dedicated server? Player position etc aside, which should be relayed through the server really..

[granite geyser]

I have, and I'm seeing you still continue.

[solemn cape]

I'm talking about server mechanics now.. please keep up

[granite geyser]

I have, and I'm seeing you still continue.

[solemn cape]

show me the answer and I'll be done

nobody knows the answer here?

[long glacier]

try google

[solemn cape]

I'd rather get an answer from a "Developer" here

[long glacier]

well the only developer that frequently talks here is now asleep, wait for tommorow or ask the internet

[solemn cape]

okay

will wait till then

[lament zinc]

Regarding this: #suggestions message

For the record: Ymir was a single entity out of which all the gods were born. And iirc out of his flesh the 9 realms and all that's in it was created.
Meaning there can't be multiple of them nor can you defeat them / it.

[weak gate]

Okay, sorry

I didn’t know that, I’ll take it down

And replace it for another stupid idea

[finite vapor]

You can just remove it? Its not april fools

[weak gate]

No

Every day is April fools

Even though it isn’t April

[simple hound]

Already spammed here:
#suggestion-discussion message ❤️

[mortal lichen]

joke suggestions break channel rules 🥲

[sick breach]

This is a valid question, and it was frustrating in the extreme to see people thinking it was just you trying to argue the portals to other worlds thing more.

I wonder what the limitations would be against the dedicated server being responsible for loading each area as opposed to the first player there.

[stiff stag]

Considering they tied it in with their defense/argument for their suggestion and refused to take no for an answer, and considering people try to weasel their way around the developers saying NO all the time, it's entirely fair people assumed that was their intent and there was nothing beyond that.

[weak gate]

Okeh

[sick breach]

I can understand being wary of people acting like they're not continuing the discussion while chewing away at minor points from it, but he went out of his way to say he was accepting the discussion closed and his question on the dedicated server was clearly unrelated.

[solemn cape]

@sick breach because this is the world we live in today. Right, wrong, good, bad whatever. People feel like they need to "fight" even when they have no idea what they are fighting on or about,.. even when the original issue is never resolved. People are brainwashed and can't read or think on their own. No critical thinking skills exist much anymore

[mortal lichen]

ah yes, we truly are in society

[languid ibex]

Kinda ironic to point out a lack of critical thinking when you refuse to research the utility of a dedicated server on Google though.

[sick breach]

Not really since he explained that he wanted the info from one of the Developers who would know, instead of the various educated guesses or outdated wikis google would unearth.

[wanton atlas]

🤔

I did even reply in a DM he sent me

[storm gull]

Where is the balance between resources require to build and free build mode?
increasing resource amounts vs how much stone it takes to build a simple 3x3 tower is insane

[unique ferry]

Why? They argue with it anyway. Had a whole host of downvotes on reddit for stating that Valheim was primarily a single player game... multiple quotes from Smiffe and all.

[peak bronze]

Don't bother, Reddit can't handle the truth..

[storm gull]

why does a 1x1 cost 3 stone and 2x2 cost 4
how about 1 and 2 that would make stone building 10x better

[stone citrus]

I avoided that with no-cost modifier
I've also seen a lot who use 2x 3x modifiers because of these

[storm gull]

even with resource increase stone takes so much to build its almost not worth it

I collect 20 full box of stone and built 1/10 a castle (not even that big)
Stone building should mirror wood. Small piece cost 1 other pieces 2 and large pieces 4 or 6

[languid ibex]

The logic and design of a dedicated server doesn't fluctuate as you're implying. It's the same connection logic used in different ways. If anything they should be asking what the function of "initial surrounding area hosting" serves. I would assume with my experience in NetCode and connection types, the answer would likely be that it is a hybrid connection function allowing dedicated servers to generate and utilize separate areas without being as dependent on the server itself. Reducing lag and putting some of the server load on the player themselves.

[solemn cape]

Why would I use Google when the developers for the game are in this discord server?

Generation Z first go to is always Google cracks me up.

I'm willing to bet they never open a car manual before either

[granite geyser]

Almost as if having any minimal amount of autonomy instead of going on to someone else was a much better way to go

[mortal lichen]

tell us more granpa ^-^

[granite geyser]

If you can have the answer easily by yourself, why bothering others?

[languid ibex]

You got 2 answers, actually 3 apparently, both we're kinda sassy like you needed the basics explained, and even redirected you to google themselves. This is borderline bait man.

[solemn cape]

Who said I was talking to you?

[granite geyser]

Oh, I'm sure that attitude will work very well for you

Especially in a channel dedicated to discussion where ANYONE can participate

[solemn cape]

Exactly and approves my point but what I said earlier about the whole 'fight" thing

Instead of people saying I just don't know they comp an attitude and say use Google

[languid ibex]

Seeing the answers you received from a person who's opinion you're holding in high regard as a fight is probably a bad place to start anyways.

[solemn cape]

Does anyone here actually know how this game is programmed I'd really like to know. A few of you have privately messaged me and I appreciate that but seems like by and large nobody knows how this game actually works

[languid ibex]

It's a Unity game, it's not that deep.

[rose swan]

What kind of weapons are y’all hoping to see in the Deep North? 🤔

[sick breach]

All of them. No missing weapon archetypes in the last biome.

But beyond that, a while ago i suggested eitr-infused weaponry, where it behaves like a slightly not as good version of a normal weapon, but if you have enough eitr the next attack consumes a chunk of eitr to become really empowered.

[hollow seal]

At least all the types that didnt make it into Ashlands, so Atgier, dagger, and some variations of thr Bigger two handed ones Like Battleaxe etc. Maybe a fist weapon If they Stars align xD

[sick breach]

Enabling a hybrid magic-melee playstyle. I would think for such weapons it would be about teeing up one good blow to end the fight, similar to sneak attacks with knives.

[hollow seal]

Or maybe a new Weaponclass or Variation Like flail (Mace) or Lance (Spears/Atgier)

[rose swan]

Would be cool to see duel maces or something 🤔

Ball n’ Chain!

[hollow seal]

I mean two handed Ball and Chain Like in Twilight Princess (Big Ball of Steel that geht's thrown at an Enemy and then pulled Back by the Chain) would be amazing (not at all biased xD)

[rose swan]

Haha my thoughts exactly!! I think I’ve actually mentioned before awhile ago 😁
Probably isn’t a great fit, but damn it’s such a cool weapon!

[keen mortar]

#suggestions message it also traps the mist in the dome!

[weak gate]

“Don’t add to others ideas”
-smiffe (i think)

[granite geyser]

probably referring in that channel specifically

[unique ferry]

Well when you activate the shield generator in game it sort of expands outward, so I'm envisioning it pushing the Mist away until it creates a dome

It would just make sense thematically and mechanically that if it's capable of repelling Ashlands fire rain, it could also create a barrier against the Mist. Having a little bubble to build a house or a farm in would be super fun, a little oasis against the danger all around, if you will

[wanton atlas]

exactly

[lament zinc]

If I remember correctly, the one who suggested you to use google also said that it as 1AM and that he was planning to go to bed.

But instead you went on an on with your questions and basically demanding an answer.

At which others said; the developer said that you can google it because he's off to bed.

So ask yourself this question: "Where is it written that a developer of a game (or a community manager) has to be on call 24/7; even after that said developer / community manager said he was off to bed?"

Because imho the moment you ignored that comment, you ignored someones personal and private life. Which isn't a smart thing to do.

[unique ferry]

I mean on one hand I agree with him, if I have a question about how the game works, specific mechanic or why the devs did something the way they did... I want an answer from the devs because that's really the only answer that matters. But this guy was just rude about it

[lament zinc]

Oh, don't get me wrong. Getting an answer from a Dev is much more what I like to have as having to google it.

But if said dev tells me he's off to bed because it's 1 AM, I will have the decency to leave him alone, instead of keep going on and on to get the answer I want.

[mortal lichen]

The midi suggestion sounds exactly like a WoW RP addon I use lol

[rose swan]

What’s midi? 🤔

[shrewd hearth]

Musician? Heh. Yes. I use it too. I play a bard on Argent Dawn.

[mortal lichen]

Omg I'm on AD too!

[shrewd hearth]

... I'm Derenly. You might have heard of me if you're a bard and on the entertainment circuit too. 😄

[mortal lichen]

I don't play on Musician but I use it for "personal themesong" sometimes lol

But I don't want to derail the topics here, I'll keep an eye out 👀

[shrewd hearth]

🙂

[hearty finch]

@mortal lichen @lament zinc @mellow crater #suggestions message

why downvote?

[lament zinc]

For the record, you are aware that asking people by name about why they downvote is against the rules?

I believe it's mentioned a few times to you now, so **stop! ** doing that.

[hearty finch]

what's the rule? #rules-and-info

btw you are breaking this rule

13. Do not backseat moderate. If you see someone breaking a rule, reach out to <@&816973484756172815> to contact a moderator.

[stone citrus]

I'm thinking, but I can't find an answer

[lament zinc]

sighs

[hearty finch]

now pls give me your explaination

[lament zinc]

#suggestion-discussion message

[stone citrus]

What? It's easy
It's the topic of this channel

[hearty finch]

hes a helper, not a mod, and its not in the rules

[lament zinc]

Which, as I said, is mentioned several times before.

NO, but it's in the pinned messages, plus @wanton atlas has mentioned this several times.
And I s'pose when a dev mentioned it, it is a rule.

[stone citrus]

Hohoho

[hearty finch]

11. Don't send direct messages or ping Developers, Helpers or Moderators. If you need help with the game, look in ⁠valheim-help, ⁠steam-bugs-discussion and ⁠dedicated-server-help. If your issue is discord related, reach out to moderators via <@&816973484756172815>

you are repeatedly breaking the server rules

[stone citrus]

You have committed that of which you consider a sin

[stone citrus]

Oh snap

[lament zinc]

Are you trying to troll me or just thinking you're the smarter one by acting like a jerk?

[hearty finch]

anyway. can you please tell me why you downvoted? maybe i can learn something

[stone citrus]

So where's this headed 🚗

[lament zinc]

Eitherway, have a good day. Hopefully you'll be able to find your way back to the black forest.

[hearty finch]

and you call me a troll lol

[stone citrus]

I can't think of a single reason
A force of habit is pressing shift enter

Usually games do that

[hearty finch]

does valheim have that?

[stone citrus]

Not that I know of, no
I have to /s every time

[hearty finch]

dang

[stone citrus]

But rarely use it since you know
We're in voice anyway

[mortal lichen]

I didn't like it

[hearty finch]

why?

[mortal lichen]

Yellow text, disruptive across screen, lingers longer

[stone citrus]

Misunderstood seems like

[hearty finch]

that's why it's an option, none in my group have those complaints

[mortal lichen]

Usually when I play with people we're in voice, hardly ever used the text ingame

[hearty finch]

not all groups use voice, thats when an option like that would help

[mortal lichen]

Okay

[hearty finch]

so you agree, it's a useful option?

[mortal lichen]

I don't care enough sorry 🥲 I upvote and downvote stuff, I don't need to explain each time why

[hearty finch]

well, if you agree that it's a useful option, it would help me a lot if you changed that downvote to an upvote

[stone citrus]

Don't think too much of it
You'll be at it all day if you do

[mortal lichen]

It's suggestions for a game in development not running for mayor

[wanton atlas]

it's pinned

[wanton atlas]

it's a bad idea

let me find it and downvote it aswell

[hearty finch]

wow gigachad etc

btw my friend had throat cancer, and while he can technically speak, it's extremely tiring for him. that's why we don't use voice

but yea gigachad bro

[stone citrus]

Not the right route to take

I'd use that toggle, just saying

[barren elk]

its not hard to add and wouldnt be a problem to people that dont want it while helping people that do want it

[stone citrus]

I actually can think of a direct scenario and have evidence for it but wouldn't share

Sailing to ashlands for the first time, we had Gunter playing on the bot, and all of us typing out the lyrics in shout

[barren elk]

its a great suggestion and every game needs more of those kinds of suggestions

its the little things

[stone citrus]

It most certainly isn't the little things but yes

I like the bigger things, like hearth and home

[wanton atlas]

yeah. please read the pinned post 📌

don't see you mention you / your friend want or need it since he got troat cancer

it's not

[stone citrus]

It's like proximity

[wanton atlas]

Wisper = DM ingame
normal chat is the area you have loaded in around you
shout is the entire world

[mortal lichen]

It's realistic imo

Pretty much every game I play that has proximity speech the default is around you, for everything else you use /s or /y

[lament zinc]

The sigh wasn't about the topic of the channel, but the fact someone is mini-modding by linking to rules that tell not to mini mod.

It was also a sign that I wasn't and still ain't in the mood for a discussion about something I didn't want to discuss about in the first place.

Both of which seems not to be understood, by the look of things.

Oh well, ignore and / or blocking works wonderful at this sever. 😄

[stone citrus]

Ah,
Although can't deny that you're getting that a lot lately

[wanton atlas]

if people where allowed to constantly calling out those who didn't like. no one would dare to downvote someone unless they wanted to break our rule #1. mening be nice to other players

"hey man, WTF don't you like my idea? you some kind of idiot!!!?"

you have to be allowed to not like something. and you don't have to have a reason you need to explain to someone either

[lament zinc]

Getting what?
The comment about mini-modding?

It hasn't as far as I know.

But if people see a pointing out something to them and being asked to stop doing that as mini modding, I guess the only thing the staff can do is going through all the DM's at the ModMail because members here will be more busy with reporting others as they would be with discussing the game. Or suggestions when it comes to this channel.

But I know my stance next time someone calls out why I downvoted something.

I will simply "plead the 5th" on it.
And if that doesn't work, switch to Your Honor, I have no recollection of having stated that. It could be my discord got hacked."

/discussion about that subject.

[wanton atlas]

I'm somewhat on the fence if reminding someone about the rules is mini-modding 🤔

[mortal lichen]

I see it in the same category as emoting "wrong channel" to modded screenshots lol
so no, imo

[wanton atlas]

I usually lean on the "friendly reminder" than mini modding

[stone citrus]

It creates these scenarios

[mortal lichen]

"hey why did you downvote me" and "hey dont call out people on their downvotes its against the rules" is hardly the same scenario

[mellow crater]

Seem like there was an annoying discussion around so I don’t really want to read all that. What suggestion is it about?

[granite geyser]

Portals to other player worlds

[mellow crater]

Eh ?

[granite geyser]

Using current portals to enter other worlds

[mellow crater]

I don’t even remember this one, I doubt I ever voted on it

[quasi herald]

An honest question: how many suggestions made by players, which were well rated by others, were actually taken into account? I'm not being ironic — it's more about understanding how effective the channel is and all that. Just curious.

[granite geyser]

#suggestion-discussion message

[quasi herald]

Thanks!

[stiff stag]

It's really only mini modding when it's pushed beyond just a reminder, and that only happens when the rule violator decides to be stubborn and troll. Nothing wrong with trying to resolve the issue without having to bring the big guns in, and getting a moderator for something that could be resolved with a simple reminder of the rules is like bringing a cannon to a knife fight. I usually don't like pinging mods to resolve issues unless it's absolutely necessary (again like in the case of stubborn people, trolls, etc.).

[mortal lichen]

Not this time

[rose swan]

It was about having a chat option to shout over text I believe

[languid ibex]

Maybe I am old school, but /s isn't something I see as a problem, and is already shorthand/convenient. 🤔

[rose swan]

Text chat isn’t a feature I use, so I couldn’t really offer any input 😅

Bummer that this channel always seems to devolve into frustration and insults 🤔

[peak bronze]

Not always, but lately very frequently.

[sick breach]

No, it was about making shout the standard text option and no longer require an /s

I think there should be room for suggestion makers to ask why people dislike their suggestion. Without any kind of criticism the downvote is a vague indicator of what people want.

[mortal lichen]

I was ok with elaborating but not negotiating 🤷🏻‍♀️

[peak bronze]

It can be done without pinging people who had downvoted the suggestion. For example, posting a question like "I saw my suggestion got some downvotes, what do you think what would make it better suggestion?" would be much better to get more fruituous answers.
It's not the asking that is the problem but calling out downvoters.

[wanton atlas]

hence we say "don't call out people who downvoted" 🙂

[crimson dock]

Nah fr I noticed this a lot lately around here and it’s a shame fr

I dislike the ‘derailing the discussion’ quips too there’s no derailment like you are free to go back to that discussion at any time or continue it there’s a reply feature to make keeping track of multiple ongoing discussions more manageable

[rose swan]

Definitely agree with this! Generally better to ask for broad feedback on a suggestion than targeting an individual(s).

[crimson dock]

I think the main reason it gets so heated is because people take it personally, like the dislike of an idea is disliking them

[rose swan]

That, and people get upset over perceived tone. Often times, it seems monotone messages are taken as passive aggressive. Then it just spirals from there 😅

[mortal lichen]

I dont even read who suggests, essence and tone is more important

[weak gate]

Because I forgot to add a lightbulb and i have to wait, I’ll put it here to get people’s opinions

💡 cozy clothes: sold by hildir at the cost of 500$. Each peace will give an extra rested level.

[mellow crater]

Which mean a +4 constant rested buff for 2000$ only ?

Or you mean comfort buff ? Even there I think it is way too powerful

I’d like to have a reason to wear normal clothes but the game is not about that to a point I really can’t see any way to do it on a non-broken way.

[peak bronze]

Well, building and doing tasks at base is one reason for the clothes in form of less stamina usage on base items.

And I recall that clothes providing more comfort has been suggested before.

[weak gate]

Okay

[mortal lichen]

like...USD?

[stiff stag]

Clothes are worn in place of armor, so that's already a significant tradeoff and would discourage using it on the go. If it was an actual armor set someone wants to have apply the rested buff, then it would be broken without some other major tradeoff to balance it. Though if it's only meant for use around the base, where you'll likely have a comfort zone already set up, I don't see much need for a clothing set that adds comfort as well.

[mellow crater]

But you could simply swap clothes to armor after the rested buff

This is what is broken

[long glacier]

If you’re swapping between armor and comfort clothes while out of your base then you’re using up inventory slots

[rose swan]

Guess I’ll be the negative Nancy here 👀 I’m not a fan of the current clothes we have in game (excluding the harvest set) and I wouldn’t care to see more, honestly

[wanton atlas]

the clothes was made for people who want to dress up or RP

[peak bronze]

Yeah, thanks to them we can RP for some drinking parties in the mead hall of my group and look fancy.

[stiff stag]

Not to mention they could also make it a different but similar buff to comfort/rested, then they could make it only apply while the clothing is worn (so swapping out to armor wouldn't work to keep the effect).

[weak gate]

My intention was for them to act as an extra tool to help with map exploration/trying to get your loot when you die

[lament zinc]

Just curious: but what would be the purpose of this? #suggestions message

I'm asking because afaik it doesn't matter where I would hit a log. The moment it reaches a certain amount of damage it splits in two.

[stiff stag]

I feel it would be really weird for a log to have a weak spot. They don't have organs and vital spots like a human, troll, etc. does that would explain why more damage would be taken in a certain spot.

[pulsar locust]

If you’ve ever chopped firewood you know they def have a sweet spot to hit

[weak gate]

#suggestions that would break the entire idea of portals not allowing metal

[stone citrus]

Not that it's important, but it's because the wood already splits down the middle, so chopping down the middle is the intuitive way to do it

But then again lots of people just pile logs on each other hoping to crush everything

[languid ibex]

Improving log chopping speed is built into skills, powers and weaponry advancement. Pushing that further only serves to take away from current systems, which can already result in every tree type being 1 hit to fell, and 1 more hit to chop.

[stone citrus]

Sounds like a different/existing "problem"

[languid ibex]

It's not a problem, it's just the end result of advancing woodcutting.

[stone citrus]

It'll already be overshadowed by just piling trees anyways

And of course, trolls

[languid ibex]

That's only half of the process, and trolls are in 1 biome.

You still need to fell the tree.

[stone citrus]

Yep, the suggestion is the center of logs

[languid ibex]

I've no clue what you're reiterating that for, it's the topic we're discussing. Did you want to restart the discussion? 🤔

[stone citrus]

It would get overshadowed by piling logs is what I'm saying

[languid ibex]

Considering there's no guarantees with falling logs, especially from naturally seeded tree positioning, you'll typically end up chopping over half of the trees you knock into eachother. Although, this all takes minimal time and effort with proper weaponry, skill levels, and use of forsaken powers. These 3 efforts combined should result in feeling like you are better at woodcutting, which would allow you to chop faster/better, without a mini game that hardly benefits. It would be especially useless to find a sweet spot on what would already be one swing to chop.

[stone citrus]

I'd probably do it for yggdrasil sapling
Sounds nice to chop down the middle

Other than that, maybe early game

And it would have to be mouse 3
Otherwise it's weird

[lofty wave]

How so?

That would mean the hitbox would have to be tiny enough that the primary can’t hit it without hitting the main hitbox, and it could be hard to find the exact point especially on larger logs like pine trees

[stone citrus]

🤔 a little creativity maybe
Could still be a generous hitbox
But then again, it's not that important, I just like it

[sly hull]

#suggestions message

I recently had the idea of adding this to Moder's power. Would give her some use case on land and adds extra exploration radius while sailing.

[lament zinc]

Considering the one who posted this #suggestions message hasn't even replied to the questions what's exactly meant, I don't see the need to discuss the suggestion.
Simply because it would be simply speculation about what exactly is meant and why the suggestion is made. And we all know that speculation brings you nowhere eventually.

[wanton atlas]

it feels very un-nessessary

and the "weakspot" would have to be on the ends of the log anyhow

if someone wants more realism in valheim

but then the log splits "incorrectly" since it splits in the middle for it just makes more sence in a game enviroment

[crimson dock]

It’d be nice to have a weak spot in the centre of the stumps to be able to get rid of them faster though

They don’t provide much wood anyway and would reward precision with faster tree chopping, could be particularly useful when using the elder power where you only have 5 minutes to go ham

[weak gate]

Why did someone delete my suggestion???? Or is that just a bug

[pulsar locust]

You likely mean an extra comfort level?

[mellow crater]

Can you precise if it is about more rested effect while wearing or give an extra comfort point while wearing ? Because in the first case I would upvote, in the second I’d downvote

[granite geyser]

charging real money for armor pieces doesn't seem right clearly

should be in-game gold instead

[languid ibex]

Hildir has rent to pay 🫰

[wanton atlas]

I deleted it since it's a troll suggestion

Charging 1000 dollars for a ingame clothes item are nothing but a bad joke to be honest

[mellow crater]

Oh I never thought it was real money

[lofty wave]

[mellow crater]

It EXIST !

[lofty wave]

How many valheim coins is worth one dollar

[rose swan]

So an egg is 1500 coins, if we settle on the price of a dozen eggs at about $8… a dozen eggs costs 18,000 gold. So that’s $1 = 2,250 Valheim gold

… disclaimer: I say my math has like a 50% chance of being accurate 👍

[lofty wave]

2,250,000 coins for one piece of clothing?

[meager wave]

Can confirm math is correct

[granite geyser]

I'm sure you just misunderstood it...

[long glacier]

The valhiemconomy is suffering from massive inflation

[bright mason]

Has anyone else felt frustrated by the way that Skelett's are spawned? I'll often sit there for a few minutes trying to get a bowed Skelett instead of only swords. I'd like the ability to choose if I generate bows or swords.

[languid ibex]

That would result in mostly bow Skelletts being used though, which wouldn't be good for general combat, players would just use it as a ranged combat extension.

[lofty wave]

Better than rng
The skeletons could be rebalanced for this

[bright mason]

Random (within the current probability structure) is a terrible game mechanic in my opinion. As Blob said, re-balancing is possilbe. Also, there are definitely scenarios where all melee Skeletts would be helpful.

Random is almost always worse than choice in any game.

[languid ibex]

My point wasn't about the balancing, I was speaking about how it impacts how it's utilized.

[lofty wave]

Only using bow skeletons would still be better than flipping a coin

[languid ibex]

Better is relative in this situation though, not wanting to engage with your enemy isn't how everyone plays the game.

[bright mason]

So, give people a choice. Again, choices > random, almost always.

[lofty wave]

I think combat should reward skill rather than luck wherever possible

[languid ibex]

Again, that wouldn't be good for general combat, and would lead into players using it as a ranged combat extension, or aggro bait for close-combat.

The unreliability keeps the fights engaging rather than black and white choices.

[bright mason]

Naw, definitely disagree. It would provide greater variety in combat. Example: My ranged Skelett's sit in the background after popping bukeperries and loading up on melee foods.

[languid ibex]

That's not variety, that's controlled strategy, as I said above- black and white. It'd be less engaging.

[bright mason]

Gotta think outside the box my friend 🙂

[languid ibex]

Which is exactly what RNG spawns would be inspiring you to do when you don't always get what you need or expect. Forcing you to think outside initial strategies or "the box."

[lofty wave]

But when that happens RNG is potentially providing an advantage in combat

[languid ibex]

If you'd like controlled elements like that, there's always tames and ballistas.

[languid ibex]

Exactly right, but not always. Never always.

[bright mason]

I'd like to control the kind of Skeletts that spawn. It would improve my gameplay experience.

[languid ibex]

#suggestion-discussion message

[quasi herald]

What do you guys think about using magic on very hard difficulty?
It feels like the least painful way to deal with mobs. In melee combat, if you miss a few blocks, you’re basically done for. But with the Staff of the Wild, you can keep your distance, dodge attacks, and still deal a lot of damage.

I love playing as a summoner, but sometimes I feel like the Staff of the Wild might be a bit too strong. Maybe it’s the damage, or the number of roots it spawns… I’m not sure. It just doesn’t feel very balanced.

Anyone else feel the same way? Or is it just me?
Oh, and I don’t think it should be banned from dungeons, hehe.

[mellow crater]

Almost everyone agree on the fact magic is a bit too powerful (some even reach the "it's broken" level). Mostly because you don't consume stamina while casting, which mean you can attack and dodge while others combat-style have to choose between one action or another.

[lofty wave]

You can attack and dodge at the same time with jump attacks

[pulsar locust]

Mage, melee, ranger combo is understandably the dream-team

[weak gate]

Okay, I’ll lower the cost of it, sorry

I was talking about coins, not real money btw

[weak gate]

The first

And btw, what I mean by money is the coins ingame, i never meant real money

[mellow crater]

The point isn’t about the price (btw it seem balanced) but the devise that is a real one.

[languid ibex]

I believe the devs are trying to cap off the max rested bonus time to 1 full day in-game, so it's hard to say if that would happen.

Personally I think that logic should've changed with feasts anyways, because you're in an awkward place having to go get the rested buff again while your food still loses time.

[mellow crater]

If the clothes do not increase comfort but give a permanent little rested buff then it make sense for non-combat activities

[wet drift]

Increasing comfort makes sense. Constantly slightly rested doesn't. Neither would actually make people use clothing.

Idk know about y'all, but I'm irrationally averse to spending any more time inventory managing than I have to.

If clothes could be worn under armor, (without their effect) AND didn't take up inventory space, AND there was a key to equip/unequip all armor, THEN I'd go out of my way to get the clothes.

[languid ibex]

Increasing comfort doesn't make sense for the inventory management reasons though, it would encourage players to temporarily equip these items for the rested buff boost, rather than say a +10% to Rested Bonus Timer while it is equipped, preventing any need to equip/unequip the gear.

[wanton atlas]

Why does it make sence?

want to have infinite comfort?

[wet drift]

It makes sense that clothes can be comfortable.

[weak gate]

It would also be stupid to fight in clothing in valheim, so it would be highly unlikely that it would be used outside of home, so it wouldn’t be useful anywhere else but tasks that are inside of the base, so it wouldn’t be too unbalanced

[lofty wave]

Currently the comfort system rewards creating a well-decorated base. Now it should reward filling your inventory with clothes you’ll only use to rest?

[weak gate]

It would go away when you take it off

[granite geyser]

Not exactly considering you only need one of each piece to get the bonus. Placing more is completely optional

[lament zinc]

Don't forget you also got clothing to get a lower stamina drain when farming, clothing for having a lower stamina drain in general, so clothing for a higher comfort bonus may sound logical.

[wet drift]

To further explain my message. I don't mean that the extra comfort makes sense design wise. I think clothes aren't worth it because of much larger design choices, not because of their own exact implementation.

When I say comfortable clothes makes more sense than clothes making you feel slightly rested, that is only in the sense of realism and flavor.

[weak gate]

If you don’t use clothes, that’s fine, but there are people who love the idea of outfits helping you with different things that aren’t really needed in the game’s progression, and who would adore something that could give you a buff for home building and small things around the house

For example: doing housework normally, vs, doing housework with cozy clothes… much more enjoyable

[rose swan]

Hmm then why not just suggest more clothes available via Hildir? 🤔 we have the structure in place for clothing, might as well build off of that, yeah?

[weak gate]

Tru

[open dagger]

there are clothes which reduce hammer stamina usage for example

for rested buff clothes are unfitting imo, since currently the more biomes you explore the higher you can get your rested buff

it's always something to do with exploration (except for yule tree and maybe maypole)

[pulsar locust]

The clothes could unlock as you defeat bosses

[peak bronze]

Or maybe if the clothes available after returning the chest from plains miniboss could give small comfort bonus when wearing, since they are the fanciest ones. No need to add new ones, but adjust the existing ones.

[rose swan]

@dire kiln #suggestions message why did you write this suggestion? 🤔

Or rather, what are the specifics of the suggestion?

[dire kiln]

Can I have a small spoiler? When should we expect the update, I'm really looking forward to(

[rose swan]

We the players don’t know any info yet, but it’s probably a good bit away if I had to guess 🙂

[lament zinc]

Also, you may not be aware of it, but "joke suggestions" - which #suggestions message seems to be - aren't really appreciated. Not by the devs and not by the community.

Which is something that's explained here #suggestion-discussion message too.

[granite geyser]

We will have news exactly on 32/05/2025

[peak bronze]

Read around https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202150165449035816 for small spoilers.

[wanton atlas]

I removed your suggestion since you don't seem to have read the information from us developers that deep north, the northern part of the worldmap will also be the 1.0 release for valheim

[keen mortar]

#suggestions message queue age of empires town center bell sound

[chrome anchor]

I just looked on google what your talking about (I didn't know), is it for the sound it would make ? That's not why I took Minecraft bell as an example, just for the idea, but it could be something else like a portable horn that we use like the tools or something like that

and there could be one specific horn for each tameable animals

that's the idea I had ^^

[keen mortar]

I would appreciate something that attracts already tamed animals if you carry it (like a dvergr lantern) and could be placed in an area which causes the animals to stay within a certain radius of it as long as they aren't forced outside the radius

[chrome anchor]

ooh that's a good idea too ! Especially that when we take an animal to far from its spawn it would never stop running at the closest corner and trying to go back there, it's boring when it never wants to breed because of that

if it was a bug I don't know if it has already been fix

[wanton atlas]

basicly making the game super easy and without and hardships. again?

[chrome anchor]

not my intention, sorry if that's what you understood from me ^^'

[wanton atlas]

just remove raids if you don't want to your farm animals to die if your being attacked

[chrome anchor]

again sorry if I offended you, I don't like it either when games are to much simplified

thinking about it it's true that it's part of the difficulty

[chrome anchor]

I would like to add that I played around 650 hours to Valheim, I love this game, and the only time I played with mods was just in order to play with friends that wanted these mods. So please don't misunderstand my intentions

[mellow crater]

Don’t worrie it isn’t taking as an insult, just that so many suggestions were about « make the game easier », Smiffe doesn’t really have the patience to explain in details

[chrome anchor]

I have noticed that, about the patience ^^' and maybe I should be more patient too, it's just that I'm the first person that refuse to play even with my partner when there is mods in the game concerned. When he ask me why I give him 2 reasons : it makes the game easier / it is no longer the same game because mods are changing to much things. I didn't like to be put in a box at my first interaction with the server, but again, he has made a good point and I understand

[quasi herald]

With over 2500 hours in the game, I can tell you: mods add a lot of replayability and sometimes make up for things in the original design that we, as players, don't really like. I didn't see your previous suggestion, but there's a mod, for example, that lets you call all your wolves in a defined area with a single key, instead of having to interact with each one individually. There are probably similar mods for other tameable animals too. It's your game, and the modding community is huge. Not everything needs to be in the base game, but with mods, we can shape it more to our liking.

[chrome anchor]

I understand the interest of modding a game, I just personnally don't like it. If I wan't more magic I will not add magic mod in Valheim, I will play a game that is more magic. I hope you understand what I mean.
And as I said, I just didn't like to be put in a box at my first interaction, it is not deeper than that ^^

[languid ibex]

I mean, this level of tame management is possible with a degree of predetermined setup. I have layered base walls for that exact reason. You just need some awareness of detection ranges, how to place ballista, etc.

[chrome anchor]

I'll keep that in mind

[hollow parcel]

Question what is everyone’s opinion about things that alter the way basic functions look?

[chrome anchor]

Well in my opinion like I said earlier, if somethings are changing to much a game then it's no longer the same game. I saw for example on YouTube "Skyrim Ultima", it's pretty cool and good looking etc, but for me this is not Skyrim. If your talking just about the appearance, again it depends of how much it changes the game : the simple visuals (in a good way) of Valheim is part of its identity, if a mod makes it look like FF14 for me this is not Valheim
But of course, everyone can do as they want ^^

And maybe it's not the proper channel for this idk 🤷‍♀️

[hollow parcel]

I guess it depends on how people perceive things and what they feel is the identity of it. So what I was talking about as a example let’s say they add a new cape to the game but it visually changes the way the dodge is visually displayed like instead of a roll back you do something more related to magic like a shadow step backwards so you basically teleport backwards or any direction you would be pressing this would drain mana and stamina. Visual could be a black fog as you vanish and black fog and your body repairing not to far away from the spot. Something like this is what I was talking about. Giving a feel of new skills but really just replacing visual effects of current ones.

[chrome anchor]

well there is already the feather cape (without spoiling) so I think it would not be shocking if something like your example existed. I think it's more when there is a multitude of additions that it changes to much the game (for me anyway), mostly when it's not thought by the developpers, there is more risk of deviating from the original intention

I have a feeling I answered wrong again... But in any case this is just my opinion in the middle of all others ^^

[hollow parcel]

II hope they add some stuff more like the feather cape stuff that augments base functionality like the cape. Like an all black wolf set that lets you jump a little hire and maybe negates or dampens fall damage to a very small amount form a as hight. I would be cool if this stuff only triggered if they were full set effects lol.

[chrome anchor]

maybe you can put this on the suggestions channel to know what everyone thinks about it

[wanton atlas]

you really need to jump higher than spiderman? 😮

https://youtu.be/IZRrQUkSgrs?t=92

[chrome anchor]

just need to stay alive 😄

[wanton atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/aha-ha-ha-ha-stayin-alive-robin-gibb-barry-gibb-maurice-gibb-bee-gees-gif-19538967

[hollow parcel]

As high as Spider-Man nah not that crazy but maybe twice the jump hight would be nice. As far as I know there’s nothing in the game that does this currently.

[lofty wave]

Lightfoot mead increases jump height

Twice the jump height would be far too much, you’d be in the air for too long

[wanton atlas]

you would start to take falldamage when you jump 😄

[wanton atlas]

@spiral fog platinum?

[crimson dock]

Platinum gold silver and bronze are all trophy terminology I think on PlayStation maybe Xbox too? Idk but platinum refers to the hardest achievements to get

Or it refers to having 100% of the achievements I forget now

[spiral fog]

Thanks for explaining man

[crimson dock]

#suggestions message

Disagree with this, you should not have been sinking hours into unfinished endgame content and this wouldn’t be fair for players who didn’t generate a world post Ashland’s and don’t have access to this previously unfinished and now unobtainable resource

[peak bronze]

I agree. However, I wish ores/bars were able to put on item stands so those could be put on pedestal.

[stone citrus]

Adding magic earlier will be like putting a picture in Microsoft word

[peak bronze]

Add it wrong and it messes the whole text part?

[stone citrus]

Yes, considering mistlands starts with tiny magecaps and minimal magic already

The only real option is complete overhaul if it'll ever be added earlier / or be on the turtle

I'd love to have it earlier, having it locked to only the last 2 1/2 biomes is not nice

[peak bronze]

To think how it could be implemented in earlier biomes without being too OP compared to other weapons. And to think if every biome needed something new. There would be many things to note.

[stone citrus]

Hence the Microsoft word
If you think about it, it feels jumbled
Everything magic will need to shift

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message we need this but for necks

[pulsar locust]

Xbox had more gamerscore on harder achievements, and usually less on jokes

[barren elk]

#suggestions message @wanton atlas how could I make this suggestion better? Maybe lord reto could drop gemstones and he could be respawned with something thats very hard to get

i really dont care how but there should be a way, ANY way to make them renewable

[wanton atlas]

we don't want that

[raven bramble]

tbh i wish devs reworked combat a little at least bosses wise

[wanton atlas]

make it harder?

[raven bramble]

not harder, more like uh

[lofty wave]

The only thing combat is missing is summoned necks

[raven bramble]

how to say it...

a little more gimmicky maybe? most of the fights are just dodge/hide and then hug the boss and do as much damage as possible

[stone citrus]

I was about to stop you there
But gimmicky was the keyword

[raven bramble]

yagluth is laughably easy once you learn to exploit him needing to face you so you can just circle behind him

[barren elk]

why not? one good reason?

[lofty wave]

The developers could easily change his attacks to trigger at 360 degrees or make him turn faster

[wanton atlas]

can't make the game to hard either

[raven bramble]

i feel like gimmicks like the veins of elder are a good example

it keeps you on your toes even when hugging the boss

[stone citrus]

For what valheims combat is, bosses with gimmicks are better

[wanton atlas]

keep in mind that valheim isn't ment to be played back-to-back.
it's a --------------------> Linear game

[raven bramble]

true, but on the contrary, having more engaging bossfights keeps players excited for what comes next

[lofty wave]

What does that have to do with the combat?

[stone citrus]

But it's too late now
Except moder, moder has potential for rework to have a good gimmick

[wanton atlas]

a newgame+ mode is what you want @raven bramble

[raven bramble]

its never too late

[wanton atlas]

first you play valheim like normal, and then when you beaten the game, you can play newgame+ with new attacks, more challinging combat etc

[stone citrus]

Yagluth and bonemass have the resistance gimmick
Resistance potions

[raven bramble]

nah not really, i just wish bossfights weren't boring "very fat basic enemy" like bosses from meadows to plains

all of the first 4 have very easy cheeses for them

[stone citrus]

Elder and eikthyr are punching bags (no gimmick)
Moder can fly poorly

[barren elk]

why not?

[raven bramble]

poison resistance potion makes bonemass fight literally just "hug the boss and whack his ass"

[lofty wave]

Eikthyr isn't even much of a punching bag because he dies instantly

[stone citrus]

The more I think of it, only the first two bosses don't have gimmicks

The rest all do have certain things

[wanton atlas]

Eikthyr are basicly a AoE attack or big attack forward facing attack. if you don't dodge or block. you usually die or close to death

it's not ment to be a challenge for returning players

[stone citrus]

The queen is the best one
Moder is the worst one

[stone citrus]

Have you tried before without poison resist?
Our first time, we have

We didn't know it would be poison

[raven bramble]

since bonemass is just a massive blob, imagine he could do the jump which basically is a massive knockback the closer you are

i'd also make him reduce your poison resistance potion timer the longer you stand in his poison clouds because it makes the fight way too easy

[stone citrus]

That's just bloat at that point no?

[wanton atlas]

my own personal problem with bonemass is that he doesn't give enough adds for multiple players

[stone citrus]

Do you play solo? @-Rumpiel

[raven bramble]

maybe, but it definitely makes the boss a little more challenging and therefore more engaging

[granite geyser]

And it's your choice to cheese them

[stone citrus]

To be completely honest, not the right game for that kind of challenge

[raven bramble]

true

[lofty wave]

Why not?

[stone citrus]

Hmm 🤔
I mean it's not exactly Dark souls or Tera

[raven bramble]

at least i'd add the poison resistance shortening if you stand in the poison cloud, dropping kinda fast just like wet debuff when near a fire although a little slower than that

just exclusively for bonemass

[granite geyser]

So make the best option against him useless...

[wanton atlas]

so you just want players to range kill him then

[granite geyser]

that too

[raven bramble]

not useless, less effective because as it stands you can just literally hug him the entire fight

[stone citrus]

That's another reason too

[raven bramble]

you get 6 poison resistance potions and its not like they're hard to make

[wanton atlas]

@raven bramble wha you just want is to shift the "meta" for each boss

[granite geyser]

and that "solution" would encourage range fight him then. So encouraging cheesing

[stone citrus]

It's not the right game for that kind of challenge

[barren elk]

@wanton atlas you cant even give me one reason? sounds like its not a we but its you that doesnt wan them

[granite geyser]

can you just take the hint?

[raven bramble]

not shifting the meta really, just wanting a bit more engaging bossfights

and it's the challenge bosses give you that's fun, they're supposed to be a bump in the road

and if that bump is almost nonexistent, you dont really feel accomplished

[granite geyser]

not only you shouldn't even specifically call out people for downvoting but doing it to a dev as if his opinion had any more value

[stone citrus]

People do die on bonemass

[lofty wave]

Usually because they're unprepared

[stone citrus]

Not even just that

[raven bramble]

bruh im not calling out people for downvoting

[granite geyser]

it wasn't about you

[stone citrus]

Not everyone is putting their 100% gaming efforts to do 0 hit runs

[barren elk]

no its not like that i would just like to hear some reasons to maybe change my perspective too

[wanton atlas]

1. don't call out other people for downvoting.
2. no, we REALLY want Dyrwyn to be UNIQUE on a world.
3. if you're multiple people, use the world-setting to boost the drop-rates

[barren elk]

thank you

[granite geyser]

but what you suggest would just make people not fight him at melee

[stone citrus]

If I want challenging bosses
I'd play soullike

[raven bramble]

not that, make people actually avoid the poison clouds or stock up on poison res potions

[stone citrus]

Always consider first time players

[raven bramble]

true

[granite geyser]

that... just further confirms what I'm saying.

they would do that by using bows

[wanton atlas]

I said that before..
Valheim is balanced for first-time-players

[lofty wave]

I don't see why players should have to stock up on many poison meads like that. If nothing else reduces resistance duration like this, they would expect one or two to be enough and new players would always not bring enough.

[raven bramble]

then i hope we get to see new game+ someday

[stone citrus]

You'd have to know beforehand that bonemass does poison anyway

[raven bramble]

having bosses have engaging gimmicks for players more familiar with the game would be grand

[lofty wave]

Instead of reducing the poison resistance duration, the resistance could be temporarily disabled if the player takes too much poison damage?

[stone citrus]

Or the cloud is not poison, more like a damage cloud

[raven bramble]

oh this seems like a good idea

that'd work too

[lofty wave]

So if you escape fast enough it won't do much otherwise it kills you quickly

[stone citrus]

Your best bet is to try to change moder

Moder has been disappointing for many years now

[raven bramble]

true, but i feel like terrain is a little at fault for that

[lofty wave]

More than one attack she can use while flying would be nice

[stone citrus]

Who knows
But definitely a boss that needs something

[chrome anchor]

Once I had the bad luck to have a wolf event started while I was fighting Moder, it was quite difficult x)) maybe she could have like a summon attack ? Like Bonemass if I'm not wrong 🤔

But I kinda agree with Smiffe, we want more difficulties because we are use to the game now and we know how to be well prepared, making bosses easier due to good habits, but that's not the same for a beginner player

[lofty wave]

Maybe when she creates those crystals, some would be larger and could spawn drakes if not destroyed.

[chrome anchor]

@weak gate I just want to express my point with your suggestion ^^
I find it is better the way it is right now. That this increase in difficulty in black forest is kinda like a "humility lesson", it puts us back in our place and teach us that we shouldn't underestimate the game in order to survive 🤷‍♀️ (at least when we are first play gamer, it's not a big deal when we know the game)

[weak gate]

Okay

[chrome anchor]

@crisp blade for your suggestion, as a temporary solution (or definitive if it never changes) you can use a macro. I have a Logitech mouse and on its pilote I set a macro on a thumb button that repeats 25 times "E" button, in order to fill the smelter or other crafting construction with only one click ^^

[peak bronze]

Technically you can fill them with one looong click..

[chrome anchor]

Really ? Maintaining the click works ??

[stiff stag]

Yes, it's just slower than if you click really fast a bunch of times.

[mellow crater]

Yep. Honestly it is enough for me but I won’t be against a one-click load

[chrome anchor]

My macro is really fast, Logitech let us change the ms delay but I don't remember how much I set, I could tell you later in the evening

I think it's the same for Corsair 🤔 I don't know for other but there is no reason that it's not the same

[stiff stag]

#suggestions message You can already hide map exploration recorded from other players, and remove other player's map markers that you copied over as well. Unless you mean a way to just hide the map markers from other players in one click, separately from the revealed map area.

[fleet torrent]

For specific people? Like I want to specifically ignore Eric's markers?

I am aware of the button to turn off cartography table, and also to right click to remove markers

but when you have a server, it gets really crowded and overwhelming really quick. and every time you update your map, the ones you removed come back

im mostly concerned about the markers, not map reveal

[urban plinth]

💡There’s two sets of armour for every biome except the plains and the mistlands. Since black metal is something you end up with loads of there should be blackmetal armour between padded and carapace and upgrade the carapace so it’s not so weak? And who no bonemass scale shield that’s fire resistant?

[stiff stag]

Just wanted some clarity there. People often suggest things that already exist so wanted to make sure you meant something different from what's already there. I also would like to have an option to hide the markers of other players in one go or to not record them to begin with.

[fleet torrent]

No that's totally fine I get it, I'd rather clarify and have my message get across 🙂

[fleet torrent]

wrong chat #suggestions

[urban plinth]

💡can’t seem to post in suggestions!

[rose swan]

You most likely tried to post without a 💡 in front of it, and now you’re on a 30 minute cooldown

[fleet torrent]

@urban plinth i like the idea of black metal armor, but then there would be 2 heavy armors.. also did you mean Bonemaw?

[storm gull]

not what I was saying if that's a reply
I mean the nornal uncovering of land is too small and I tend to focus on clearing it which can be distracting if you just keep looking at the minimap

[fleet torrent]

my suggestion was a separate thing nothing to do with yours

i get what you mean but mine is more about hiding specific other players map markers

[rose swan]

Hmm I think there could simply be something more creative than black metal armor at the plains tier 🤔
if there was to be another plains tier set.

[lament zinc]

"Easy" way to avoid that:

Assign discoveries to people.
Like person A only maps the metal, person B only maps villages, person C only maps plant locations and so on.

And to avoid markers returning after you read a map: let one person update the map the way it is right now and have all the others remove all markers from their map.
Once that's done, let the one who's got all the (right) markers update the map, then let the other ones read it.
After that, having dedicated "explorers" things will only be updated once in a while; without having overlaps and all.

[fleet torrent]

I mean, once me and my friends kinda figured out wtf was going on, we cleaned up our collective map. I agree "easy" lol, but this would both help out during the consolidation process (i.e. Hey guys isolate my markers and copy all of my Dungeon markings onto yours) But some people may be playing on servers where that kind of coordination is harder/less possible

[rose swan]

Emphasis on “easy” 😅

[fleet torrent]

Basically, i know it's possible I guess i just think it could make it a lot less clunky if what I said was a feature

[rose swan]

I agree! Would be a welcome change to the cartography table for sure.

[fleet torrent]

That's basically the issue I'm trying to get at - I think the map markers are a bit clunky

So any way it could be improved, im down with

[stiff stag]

What really annoys me is when multiple people place a marker at the same location, or how each person marks things differently. Just more trouble and hassle than it's worth.

[rose swan]

When one berry bush has two markers on it 😭

[fleet torrent]

right exactly lol. that's what inspired the idea. We have like 6 players and there's "Rasp" "Rasp" "Berries" "R" "Raspberries" all on one spot 🥴🥴🥴

[mellow crater]

#suggestions message first time I see this one. Makes sens in a gameplay vision but not in a logical vision for me, I don’t know what to vote xD

Also, “letting the resource rest after a big production” is something important in real life too. You can basically leave the extractor full without taking the sap inside and the root will reload.

[fleet torrent]

Lol that's totally fine, not offended haha

That's good to know though, leaving it in lets it recharge

I just imagine there's like a little hose knob that you could twist to close it lol

Not sure how necessary it is because, clearly, im not an expert on the mechanics of that

[mellow crater]

Not an expert of mechanics too, but I always saw the metallic point as one single piece that need to be damn hard in order to penetrate the root

[fleet torrent]

yeah I don't wanna change the spike part, i agree

[mellow crater]

Just a quick note about that : there has been a few suggestions about blackmetal armor (I wrote one too) and some of them are really well worked out IMO, I think you can search with the keyword “blackmetal armor” and you’ll be able to add a vote on them

[keen mortar]

#suggestions message I don't think this is necessary because the root will continue to produce sap even when it says it is dried up

[mellow crater]

Yes but on a much slower rate.

[stiff stag]

A simple valve would be more than enough to explain the behavior of shutting off a sap collector. A pressure release valve would also be able to explain it if sap collectors were made to only draw from the roots when they are more fully replenished, and not when they are very low/empty on reserves.

[fleet torrent]

Yeah exactly

[fleet torrent]

As vMatt said, if you have ever looked at your Sap Extractor when the root was dried up, it will say: "Extracting, slowly" and be much slower

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message
mistlands has two sets of armor, and carapace armor isn’t weak

[fleet torrent]

true flametal and asksvin

[lofty wave]

Wrong biome

[fleet torrent]

oh yeah mb, the eitr weave doesnt really feel like armor i guess

[lofty wave]

What is it, if not armor?

[fleet torrent]

robes lol

[lofty wave]

That is armor

[fleet torrent]

semantics at this point

[lofty wave]

The eitr weave armor has more defence than fenris armor

[stiff stag]

It is an armor set in the game, whether you actually consider it to be armor or not is a separate and moot point.

[fleet torrent]

yeah, also 2 biomes ahead of it

[fleet torrent]

im not denying that. i said "doesnt really feel like armor"

[lofty wave]

It’s an armor set in the game, is that not enough to be armor?

[fleet torrent]

im not denying that. i said "doesnt really feel like armor"

it was just an opinion statement that really has no effect on anything

its probably just my own bias created outside of this game, because in many rpgs mage robes are definitely treated distinctly differently than armor

[rose swan]

Hmm I don’t know, a lot of games I play seem to count mage as armor 🤔

[fleet torrent]

🤷‍♀️ my bad, i didnt realize that comment would cause backlash lmao

was just an opinion

[peak bronze]

Everyone is entitled to their own, even when they sound weird.

[fleet torrent]

glad i have your approval joel

im gonna move on lol

[peak bronze]

Well, I don't know any usage for that (my approval) tbh.

But I agree in that Plains would benefit from additional armor set, but lighter like Fenris. There is heavy armor set already.

Current heavy armor sets are fine as they are now.

[rose swan]

No you’re good! I was just giving a perspective is all! Everyone just seemed like they were discussing anyways, I don’t think anyone meant to come off as hostile.

[pure patio]

Here I am thinking the Fenris set is fine for light armor in the Plains as well 😛

Especially now that we've got the Tonic of Ratatosk. Zoom zoom.

[fleet torrent]

being fast might be the best thing to be in this game

[pure patio]

Yup. Don't need armor if you don't get hit 😉 Plus with it being fire resistant it's not terrible. I even tanked a shot from a 1* Fuling Berserker the other night while wearing it fully upgraded. Only 5 health left and it staggered me for sure, but it's far from useless in the Plains.

[peak bronze]

It is, but something that would match with Lox cape (armor made of Lox hide and other mats) would be cool too.

[pure patio]

Linen cape, black

Works really well with the feather cape in the Mistlands too, but I usually swap out the chest piece for the Root Harnesk to make that biome a bit more survivable at the cost of just a touch of speed and fire resistance (I've got Barleywine for that)

[granite geyser]

@urban plinth

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Eitr-weave_Set

[rose swan]

I think he’s saying a set that matches the lox cape, not a cape that matches the fenris armor 😉

[pure patio]

Ohhh... the padded armor does match the lox cape, though? At least that was my impression.

[wanton atlas]

so many users can't stand that we don't have equal number of weapons and armors in each biome 😛

[spiral tundra]

I'm just saying pillows would be awesome.

[weak sinew]

Padded and fenris both go super well with lox cape imo, I don't personally like wolf cape with either of those 2, it fits for wolf armour

[spiral tundra]

Us role play vikings need pillows. Big fluffy ones.

And ducks. Add ducks to the game.

[weak sinew]

Plains light armour would be nice, but weapons yeah I'm not worried about that, I only want to have 1 of each at the VERY END DN

[spiral tundra]

Yea with duck feathers for the pillows.

[peak bronze]

I mean, linen capes are made of linen, also padded armor requires it too, so I've always thought those match as "set". Never said Lox cape doesn't match but the possible light armor could match with that better.

[granite scroll]

suggestion: https://www.reddit.com/r/valheim/comments/1kl28ev/ice_dragon_skeleton/ shit like this in the base game as uncommon/rare points of interest maybe with an associated material and furniture

[keen mortar]

Yes, but it still extracts ~4-5 sap per day. If you were to turn it off for a day or two and then back on to get 10 per day, would the cost of managing that be worth the difference?

[fleet torrent]

yeah

at least in the beginning imo. maybe once you have a good supply/arent using as much, then youre not checking it as much and 4-5/day is cool

but when theyre operating at efficiency, im pretty sure you can get more than 10/day, they go quick

[crimson dock]

Some kind of bonemaw shield sounds really cool

What about a unique shield that damages the enemy when parried

[mellow crater]

Oh, pretty interesting for tank classes

[vagrant stratus]

Maybe some kind of shield bash

[crisp blade]

in ashlands we have 3 sets of armor... each biome should have that many

[lofty wave]

One of those is a magic set which any biome before mistlands doesn’t need

If plains and mistlands both get non-magic light armor, that is enough

[finite vapor]

Just one having a non magic light armor is enough. Early mistlands light armor that doesnt require eitr would be great. Craft with rabbit hide and linen or something. Maybe even blue jute. Pre eitr gear (black forge) comes a lot earlier like carapce spear and stuff

[quartz totem]

(Honest question, just curious)
Do you know why is it that iron is used in the recipe of the padded armor (for Bonemass' sake) instead of black metal, then? (and then it persists to some of Mistlands' weapons)

[granite geyser]

Of all things parry is the one that needs the least buffing

[winged bluff]

We need plant growing ranges similar to how the workbench works

[wanton atlas]

because it was what we think makes sence from a reality stand point 🤔

[crimson dock]

In the endgame where there’s many enemies that do so much damage you can’t even parry?

[granite geyser]

You are thinking in higher difficulties, in default you can parry anything, you just need higher skill (i know the average player doesn't have high block skill but at least it does mean that it is possible)

[long glacier]

Breaking sap extractors doesn’t make the root generate sap faster. The text on the root only describes how much sap is left in the root. Turning extractors off then on again would not increase your sap production

Sap extractors extract slowly when the root is empty because they take the sap as soon as it’s produced. Roots generate sap slower than extractors take sap

[spiral tundra]

Add ducks! ^_^

[rose swan]

Wooly deep north ducks 🤔

[lofty wave]

Plains water creatures to make up for a lack of necks?

They don't need to drop anything useful, they can just swim around and be awesome, like necks

[rose swan]

Have them spawn near those micro birch forests 👀

[spiral tundra]

This sounds like a job for a duck!

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message
Stone floors work as flat roofs

[stone citrus]

It's so funny that flat roof gets down voted
Limit creativity for : unknown reasons

[weak gate]

Quoting thoren oaksheild “Do not call out people for their votes. If they wish to discuss their opinion in the suggestion-discussion channel, they will choose to do so themselves, if not, they are free to simply vote and leave it at that.“

[rose swan]

I don’t think anyone called anyone else out though 🤔

[weak gate]

The people who disagreed as a collective

[rose swan]

I believe the original rule is in regards to specific people, not necessarily the general grouping of voters

[stiff stag]

They didn't specifically name any individuals, so it's not calling anyone out. Pretty sure you were even here when smiffe clarified that when the topic came up before.

[rose swan]

“Hey, I noticed my suggestion has a lot of downvotes, would anyone care to share their thoughts?”

“@rose swan why did you downvote my suggestion?”

Only the latter is calling out people specifically, is my understanding 👍

[weak gate]

Okay

[granite geyser]

@ancient summit

#suggestion-discussion message

[finite vapor]

Yes no flying mounts, the discord bots automatically flag that here

[ancient summit]

I don't think flying is at all excessive in the endgame when all the content is finished. There won't be anything left to do. If they don't like it, they won't fly, leaving people who would like to do it. Even the dragon mount could be considered for carrying up to 100k or less. It wouldn't be useful for transporting a lot of resources. I think it's epic. It can be there and anyone who likes it can use it. It wouldn't affect your game if you don't want to use it.

[stiff stag]

You can always just not comment on the matter if you have nothing of value or worth to add.

[ancient summit]

Another resentful of dragons. What they did to you in another life. Make yourselves seen.

[stiff stag]

I'm referring to them calling rianu a bot (in a seemingly degrading tone) simply because they did a normal human thing to do, linking to a valid and relevant source of information on the topic at hand (in this case smiffe, part of the irongate team, providing information on the team's stance on the idea).

[ancient summit]

My message was for him

not for you excuse me @stiff stag

[stiff stag]

My comment that you reacted to had nothing to do with their stance on dragons/flying mounts/etc., it was specifically about them only chiming in to call someone a bot for providing information. Anyone is free to voice their opinion on your suggestion here whether it's for or against the idea.

For me personally, it's a double whammy. On the one hand if it's added any time before the very end of the game, it would be significantly unbalanced and would trivialize a lot of things. On the other hand, if it's only accessible after doing everything the world has to offer, it would just get old really fast and would be disappointing. Similar to being a king with no kingdom or people; not very epic being the king of nothing. Having a flying mount but nothing new or worthwhile to do at that point would be the same empty feeling.

Not to mention given the lore of the game, the character wouldn't be sticking around in valheim after the end anyway to be able to fly around on a dragon.

[stone citrus]

😙 don't worry about it, life is too good for that

[weak gate]

??

What do you mean?

[stone citrus]

As in, it's fine
No need to worry about something like that 😋 no rush in analysing it

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message
neck tails need less uses, not more

[granite geyser]

I don't understand why you're answering to me as if I disagree with it (even despite I do very despise the idea of flying in the game because of how stupidly broken and out of place it'd be).

A dev explicitly says "no flying" in that msg. That's all you need to know. Any other "but..." Is irrelevant

[stiff stag]

Valheim from the ground up wasn't designed or balanced around having flying mounts. If instead we were talking about a how to train your dragon game, it would be a much different story (since dragons and the ability to tame and ride them would be intertwined with the story and it's design from the start).

[mortal lichen]

hundreds of suggestions don't even consider what Valheim is from the ground up, just random spurs of "wouldnt it be cool guyse"

[quasi herald]

Is it true that there wasn't supposed to be magic in Valheim at first? I saw that online and got curious to know if it's true.

[lofty wave]

There was no magic in early access release but it was implemented with the first post-release biome, mistlands

[quasi herald]

I mean, within the game's planning and concept.

[lofty wave]

If magic had been planned earlier it likely would be in those earlier biomes but I know as much as you do

[granite geyser]

probably yes. Because the elemental magic skill has been in the code since long before mistlands

[quasi herald]

thanks

I made a post(reddit) the other day asking what people think about magic in Valheim. A lot of folks said it takes way too long to show up in the game (not even sure if I agree with that), and others think it shouldn't exist at all and that it's completely broken.

It's interesting to think about how the devs have to stick to their vision and plans for the game, while also dealing with all these different opinions on what should or shouldn’t be part of it.

[chrome anchor]

My partner found that magic sweep a little the viking immersion of the game. He doesn't find it bad but just a little out of context. And maybe that's because the first time we really explore Mistlands and Ashlands was on a modded server with friends.

[quasi herald]

Some suggestions we see here already exist in mods, like the flying mount, although I think it's quite overpowered. Of course, a lot of things end up straying conceptually from what the game originally was — it even turns the game into something else. And that's fine, the goal is to have fun. Meanwhile, the devs stick to their concepts of what the game truly is.

[rose swan]

Flying is a really cool mechanic in games where it’s built to have areas that compliment such a feature. I think in Valheim, flying would ultimately feel underwhelming. As far as flying in post/end-game, I think I would like to see something a little more engaging than that 🤔

[chrome anchor]

a frost walker mount ? x)
like that can go on water by freezing it, but would be slower than boat and maybe with something like stamina to not overpowered it

should I put it in suggestions channel ? 🤔

[rose swan]

You’re welcome too of course! But it’s been suggested a few time- I’d say it’s fairly uncommon suggestion 🙂

[stone citrus]

flying would make valheim so small and would take away from sailing

[granite geyser]

and you still have ships for that

[weak gate]

What do we use neck tails for?!?! Just two meads and a bad food source

[lofty wave]

You have to kill necks to get them

[weak gate]

What’s so bad about committing genocide against 300 early game amphibians

[open dagger]

i wouldnt mind i kill them all on sight either way since only the 1000th one drops a trophy for me

[open dagger]

minced meat sauce also used neck tails

[weak gate]

Tru

[rose swan]

@lofty wave imagine this- a neck summoning item that requires a neck trophy and 5 tails… do you kill necks to achieve the necks? 👀

[lofty wave]

I'm killing the necks just to bring them back as probably stronger versions of themselves.
As long as they're happy with it too, yes

[weak gate]

I will put up a new nation, “the land of pro-neck-slaughter”

[acoustic mantle]

Why does that get downvoted so hard, this community confuses me so much

[peak bronze]

Or you let something else do the dirty work... Meadows usually borders near swamps too.

[peak bronze]

Remember each vote is individual opinions, which shouldn't/needn't be taken as personal attack.
But, flat roof pieces similar to those wooden roof pieces don't suit the viking building style IMHO. Besides, stone building pieces can be used as flat roof.

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message You don't want a swarm of chickens following you?

[stiff stag]

Because flat roofing doesn't function properly as roofing without the appropriate methods, materials, etc. to make it viable. The roofing options currently in game for instance need to be angled so they can properly wick water off to the sides to prevent it from leaking through. Too shallow of an angle and the materials those roofs are made of can no longer get the job done. Shouldn't be confusing at all why it gets downvoted when it's just common sense. Irl flat roofing tends to either be much more modern (with waterproofing technology and/or materials a Viking more than likely doesn't have access to), or is used in more arid climates where rain and snow aren't going to be a concern.

[acoustic mantle]

I feel like realism isn't much of a reason to be against it (we are magic wielding Vikings after all) its a single player game for a lot of us at the end of the day, I'd love more roof options (its personal opinion i suppose, so no hard feelings or anything if ppl are against it 🙂 )

[languid ibex]

Valheim's building and weather system is often held to high esteem, that level of immersion while constructing your home or other structures can offer a feeling of accomplishment when it's successfully waterproofed. I wouldn't trade that sense of accomplishment for a cube building ever personally.

[stone citrus]

Both scenarios are cubes anyway

[languid ibex]

Either you don't know what a cube is, or you're failing to make your point.

[stone citrus]

🧊

🔺
🧊

[languid ibex]

Don't know what a cube is, gotcha.

[stone citrus]

ok maybe i'll make it simpler

instead of 4 wood floors at the top
it's 4 corner rooves

it's all the same cube anyway

[languid ibex]

Not knowing what a cube is, is crazy.

[stone citrus]

ok, i'll make it even simpler

🟫🟫
🟫🟫 at the top yes?

[mellow crater]

Someone told to Finem to play the game ?

[stone citrus]

your cube building there, perfectly assembled, chef's kiss

[languid ibex]

Cube = 6 sides, 100% of the time. There's no variations of that possible.

[stone citrus]

replace, with 26* corners

[languid ibex]

What you're suggesting is 7 sides.

[stone citrus]

top of your majestically accomplished house
the 1 on the dice
6at the bottom
🎲

replace, 26* roof

[languid ibex]

Right, the example was the whole house, not segmenting them to make a point.

[stone citrus]

so both scenarios, still the same cube anyway

[languid ibex]

It's no longer a cube so, no.

[stone citrus]

ah!

so... where's the accomplishment?

I love that enshrouded has a flat wood any roof

[languid ibex]

You can't be this crossed up by the point I was making.

[stone citrus]

yeah it's just a nothing burger right there

especially when most of us speed build shelter for a random workbench to fix our gear

[languid ibex]

That's your opinion, just as the point I made was mine.

[languid ibex]

This only works for the first two biomes anyways

[stone citrus]

otherwise we'd have to make it a fancy roof?

[languid ibex]

No you'd need workbench upgrades.

[stone citrus]

so it's still the same speed building for a random workbench

first, last, doesn't matter

[languid ibex]

You must not play Valheim..

[stone citrus]

so that's what you can say about a flat roof?

[languid ibex]

I already said what I think about that, you're just confusing what shapes are which, and using something that is viable for only 2 biomes as an argument somehow.

[stone citrus]

I'm sure you perfectly understood what I mean
unless you want a youtube link of
"turn your house from this to this!"

your accomplished 4x 26* roof will be there

[languid ibex]

Yeah you don't make much sense and just seem upset for some reason.

[stone citrus]

upset, not play valheim, etc

so flat roof

[languid ibex]

Players can feel accomplished for anything, being a carpenter in real life, that feeling isn't unique to Valheim.

[stone citrus]

they surely can
but I wouldn't hold that on a higher regard than said cube

[languid ibex]

What are you even talking about at this point fr.

[languid ibex]

So why don't you just say that instead of saying it's all a cube anyways.

[stone citrus]

I'm saying neither statements of upset or not playing valheim really matter to me

[languid ibex]

That's great.

[stone citrus]

because like I said
replace the top with the roof
they're still both a cube anyway

[granite geyser]

People keep asking for an ocean boss fight are a clear example of suggesters not thinking their ideas through

[languid ibex]

That makes 0 sense brother, your geometry teachers have failed you greatly.

[granite geyser]

They have way too much optimism on ship combat working remotely properly

[stone citrus]

really?

[languid ibex]

That's like saying a cylinder is the same thing as a gear, both are used functionally totally differently in physics and mechanics.

[chrome anchor]

Even if not talking about an ocean boss, I kinda agree that something could be added to the ocean... Considering who vikings were, there are mythology for the ocean that could be used like Naglfar for example ! (I let you search on google if needed). Like an event on the ocean where Naglfar appears and we need to land on it in order to defeat the mobs

there are events for every biomes, why not for the ocean ? ^^

[peak bronze]

Some interesting POIs and additional creatures, sure. But no for boss. It would be solely ranged battle since you cannot melee on water and if your boat breaks then GG.

[mellow crater]

Also many people stated that ocean is the only place where you can get some rest and it is good to have that

[chrome anchor]

that's a good point

[stone citrus]

A boss could be interesting
We have a good share of bosses you can melee, maybe all ranged or unique weapon only effective there

I imagine wishbone or similar item to make ocean a progression biome
Or something that forces the ocean to behave differently

Same ol' ocean, different perspective

[mellow crater]

What for mele players ?

Drakes are already a pain for them, imagine a boss, they don’t want to upgrade a bow just for that

Or maybe if it is easily avoidable and completly optional (like, not part of the forsakens so you arn’t send to kill him) it could work

[stone citrus]

Think about rykard from Elden ring
Completely unconventional boss

So it could be something that's also unconventional

[rose swan]

Idk, the Rykard battle kinda sucks 👀
If there were to be an ocean boss, I could see it being in a unique arena, perhaps using debris or something to navigate/parkour on? Think about the Kraken from Fable

[stone citrus]

Whether it's a ballista, or landing on the boss, or maybe just ramming the ship in its glowing eye that says "hit me"

[stone citrus]

Hahahah I used that example to show how all players fight it the same way pretty much
A key item

Fish up the tentacle to the boat so you can melee 🎣

[rose swan]

Ahh gotcha, makes sense! I see what you’re saying now

[granite geyser]

then it would just be a land boss fight posing as an ocean boss battle. That's probably arguably worse

then they could've just made it an actual land boss fight with little differences... and I shouldn't need to explain why an ocean boss ending up being a land boss in the end sounds silly

[rose swan]

That’s fair, as I’m sure you know I’m pretty opposed to an ocean boss anyways 😅
At the end of the day, I just don’t think it’s worth it to have something like an ocean boss.

[wet shore]

i wonder if this game could get dlss or if that would help fps at all

[granite geyser]

@glossy cloak

#suggestion-discussion message

[wanton atlas]

@brisk copper I think your suggestion is more into RAFT / sea of thief type of game

[wanton atlas]

it wouldn't help

[eternal storm]

Just to help make things clearer for people: since most of the times ocean suggestions are rejected because they wouldn't fit Valheim, what's the role of the Ocean biome in the game according to you developers? I mean, what it was designed for and what purpose it's supposed to fulfill?

[granite geyser]

Vikings liked sailing, this is a game about Vikings, we really don't need any more explanation

It wouldn't have made sense if ocean and sailing weren't a thing in a viking game

[wanton atlas]

sometimes the scale of a game needs to be limited and don't just add everything you can.

[barren elk]

I mean wouldnt it make sense for the ocean to be mostly empty like real oceans

The purpose of the ocean is fast travel

[arctic wharf]

Why whenever anyone considers an ocean boss it is always a kraken... Just lame

[stone citrus]

it's always the first thought
anything else and you're venturing off the beaten path

and certainly, it wouldn't be something like a phoenix

[arctic wharf]

Firmly been on the "no ocean boss" boat myself.

but a few more enemies so we see more than just serpents occasionally popping up, and a handful of little encounters... sure.

[stone citrus]

what if it's something very creative

[arctic wharf]

The ocean just does not have enough going on to merit a boss imo.

I mean if they made one heck of a creative and fun fight... sure, content is content.
But it really doesn't need it.

[open dagger]

the midgard snake would be more to the norse mythology, but we are not on midgard sadly

[lofty wave]

Big pufferfish It throws regular pufferfishes into your boat to poison you

[stone citrus]

ocean progression biome 🤞 hidden in plain sight

[arctic wharf]

Yep, we are in a super duper factional setring.

[open dagger]

true, without pickaxe good luck farming chitin

and the further you get the faster you can traverse the ocean

[stone citrus]

not like something you can do anytime
it's something you get from a boss that changes your perspective of ocean

[arctic wharf]

Also fine with the ocean remaining mostly empty as a more calm travel experience 👀

Bah, it's just not needed and doesn't sound appealing.
You can get far better ocean content from games that focus on it.

Like subnautica, or sea of theives... and so on

[stone citrus]

but it wouldn't interfere with normal ocean 🤔

if anything, it probably would be the perfect "final" biome

maybe you finish DN, get an item from boss that does something really interesting that changes how you view the ocean
like a mega wishbone

[arctic wharf]

I get what your implying, but I don't agree. You are either too boatbound or too annoyed by having to constantly return to your boat or drop a new one if there is many tiny land masses.

[stone citrus]

you wouldn't like something like that? ✍️

[arctic wharf]

Most of the games mechanics just work better with your feet firmly planted on the ground, so no

[stone citrus]

I getcha

[wanton atlas]

we kinda need the ground for enemies to be able to pathfind to the player

[granite geyser]

and at this point, i'm not sure what could be added to ocean to make it less empty but not more dangerous. unlike land, danger in ocean seems a lot more frustrating because the combat not only wouldn't work properly but also bc dying there is 1000 times more punishing and exhausting

maybe there could be activities that involve resource gathering and exploration but not combat

[languid ibex]

Whales(or whale-like creature)! Passive and difficult to hunt without favoring winds. They could provide 'Whale Oil' that burns 2x longer than resin.

[arctic wharf]

I can see the anti-whaling drama already 🤭

Speaking of animals though, still would love a few more in past biomes too.

Maybe some Guck-o's in the swamp that scurry away when you get close.
Or owls for black forest to rarely spawn and give occasional hoo's.

No unique drops needed, just a bit of extra atmosphere.

[eternal storm]

Agreed but, no offense meant, that doesn't answer my question, and "not everything" doesn't help people understand what suggestions are more likely to fit the game.

[languid ibex]

I think what's being inferred is that it's already fulfilling it's purpose(travel/atmosphere/minor unimportant drops), anything extra is seemingly beyond the scope of development for the ocean.

[wanton atlas]

pretty much

it's hard to do things with it, without upsetting the very gentle balance of the game

[stone citrus]

❓

[sly hull]

Biggest threat on the ocean is by far the occasional pufferfish bumping in your face.

[eternal storm]

Just as an example, if I suggested boats should have a slightly higher chance of capsizing in bad weather. in order to encourage players to master their sailing skill instead of pointing in a direction and waiting (not to mention an actual Sailing skill), i.e. not something outlandish like pirate ships but instead a small change that would make sailing less boring, it would still be rejected without an actual discussion?
In such a case, it might be easier to add a "no ocean suggestions" rule and be done with the whole thing.

[wanton atlas]

no one would read that tho

[eternal storm]

I mean, it would be easier for us to shut down suggestions like those if, at least in principle, that's what you devs think.

like "it won't happen because devs said they're not interested (link)", I found it to be pretty convincing.

[arctic wharf]

Age of suggestions is neigh it's end. Just deep north and 1.0 all wrapped up in one big juicy final update...
Unless somehow we are surprised with another mini update prior 😂 you never know, when things like the abomination happened.

[stone citrus]

don't think of it too much
I'd still discuss ocean any day

[eternal storm]

They did say the game is supposed to get updates after 1.0 at least as long as people are interested, so "more ocean content" won't stop after release.

[arctic wharf]

Not those kind of updates 🤭
I mean, that is not what they meant at least but they can always change their minds also.

They mostly just mean QOL and bug fixes.

[eternal storm]

It's fair to assume there won't be major overhauls because they said so, anything else is conjectural.

[arctic wharf]

From our understanding right now, they will likely be considering their next project after 1.0

[eternal storm]

Based on what? I don't mean to argue, I'm just interested.

[arctic wharf]

Just what we have heard from chatter from the devs thus far.

Sadly I don't have the sources on hand... but promise I am not pulling it out of my keister

They made no official statements though, so we never truly know.

[eternal storm]

I'm saying that because I understood the opposite: indefinite updates after release is hardly compatible with a brand new project.

[arctic wharf]

Whelp, worst case wait for smiffee to pop in with some feedback. Am sure it will sound more reputable from him

Just relaying what I have heard in my years here in the discord.

[wanton atlas]

we will still work on valheim post 1.0 🤔

[arctic wharf]

Major content updates?

Confirmed or a maybe, if so

[arctic wharf]

OR does that just mean QOL and Bug Fixes.

[quasi herald]

It would be nice to have a place that compiles ideas the devs have firmly rejected, like vertical ladders, diving, etc. I’m not sure how to do that on Discord, but it would save some people from suggesting things that have already received an emphatic no.

[granite geyser]

There was, in a message that got removed

And it would make little to no difference, you are basing that on the possibility that people would read... in general. Which is hilariously optimistic

[chrome anchor]

Personally, seeing Smiffe downvote my suggestions is enough for me to understand that devs don't like it XD

[wanton atlas]

it's my personal opinion

[arctic wharf]

Don't put more weight on it than anyone else's yeah. He's not voting for the studio or anything like that, just his own opinions

[chrome anchor]

Ok 👍 I just assumed that you know better than everyone what is good or not for the game 🙂

[arctic wharf]

Tho, there should not be any real weight on this suggestions channel and votes as a whole. Best to keep a laid back mindset here

[chrome anchor]

Not other intentions behind my text

@stone citrus should I understand something behind these reactions ? x))

[stone citrus]

yes and no, but ZionE is right

[arctic wharf]

Find it funny everyone includes the E (last name initial) 🤭

[stone citrus]

safest way to do it

[quasi herald]

Who removed it? It may not matter on a large scale, but from the moment we ourselves can point out to those who didn’t read it that it’s a decision not open to discussion, maybe that’s already something.

[stiff stag]

The server got hacked awhile back and a lot was lost in the process (such as many older suggestions among other things).

[peak bronze]

Maybe @stone citrus meant "Go out gather diamonds"?

[chrome anchor]

🥲 I really had not other intention than what I meant : a dev is the best placed to know what is good or not for the game. Of course it's his personal opinion, but his also working on this game and I think that it's a good referential because of that

that's it

[wet drift]

There is a billion clear mist suggestions. It would probably be for the better if one of them got implemented, but this ain't the one.

[quasi herald]

Ah, that explains why the first suggestions on Discord already had recycle votes.

[gentle tiger]

You know what I would love for mist, some sort of beacon, imagine a blue light shooting into the sky, and clearing mist in the same radius as a crafting bench (20m, infinitely tall cylinder) it would obviously prevent spawns as well, bonus points if it counts as a fire for rested xD

Could be attached to a cool build piece, and make it require wisps and black cores (gives them a purpose beyond just crafting stations and shield cores)

(This all of course comes with my bias of loving to build wizard towers from black marble)

[granite scroll]

What if we all just learned to love and accept the mist

[eternal storm]

You might be skeptical about it but more than once I used the argument "won't happen since devs said no because <reason>" and it was enough for the other person to let it go. On Reddit.
A list wouldn't necessarily be meant for random people to use it before suggesting/demanding, but it would be useful for people like us as a source for correcting wild assumptions.

[gentle tiger]

I actually do love the mist, and mistlands, but I also REALLY love the terrain, and would like a way to see it better for certain builds and places

(But for example, in my wizard towers, I often space the wisp lights just so into the walls, that the bottom. Floor has a thin layer of mist rolling over it :D)

[gentle tiger]

As far as picking things up in the water, maybe let the fishing pole snag collectable items below (within reason, you drop iron in the middle of the ocean, goodbye)

But it's funny how sometimes, something dropped just offshore, is only collectable by making a tall diving board xD

[weak gate]

Just a slight boost (7%-21%)

[keen mortar]

#suggestions message odd RP request

[lofty wave]

#suggestions message corpse run was never removed?

[stiff stag]

If by "strength boost" they mean the extra carry capacity, they probably confused it as being able to carry any amount of weight without being encumbered, which is not how it works.

[winged bluff]

It would be cool to give weapons rune slots or gem stones to buff certain attributes of a weapon.

[chrome anchor]

There is a mod with this kind of thing if you want 🙂

[mortal lichen]

How far in the game are you?

[winged bluff]

just entered the mistlands

[mortal lichen]

Wait a bit then 🙂

[stone citrus]

it technically exists, not slots but gemstones that "enchant" your weapon

[granite geyser]

Keep playing

@floral lotus how would that work in solo?

[mortal lichen]

Why would you spoil smh

[wanton atlas]

@rigid cedar we have generic dreams and some dreams that unlocks as you progress through the game already

@tight valve bring back? it never went away

[languid ibex]

I'm assuming Nuge either expected to get it when respawning, or didn't realize you need to collect everything from your grave to gain the effect.

[wanton atlas]

yeah.

or don't notice it since you need to open the inventory to see it active

[tight valve]

Just sent this response in help chat-

Then what would be causing situations where I died with the belt equipped but when I try to pick up my body with an empty inventory, it opens it as a chest instead of taking everything? And I'm always immediately encumbered if I hit Take All and it's over 300.

I got insta killed while wobbling around in the Ashlands cause I couldn't run to a safe place. It's happened multiple times.

[wanton atlas]

you should test it your in a controlled enviroment 🤔

[tight valve]

I double checked when the "Chest" popped up. Empty inventory. No random things picked up.

[wanton atlas]

works exactly as it should for me on the current live version 🤔

[languid ibex]

Sounds to me like you've picked up something along the way to your body, so a complete inventory swap isn't possible.

Best to turn off auto-pickup when running back to your grave.

[wanton atlas]

and it lasts all the entire corpse-run timer

just like Omni says. if it opens like a chest, it's usually because you have additional stuff on you and your entire inventory cannot be picked up

ah right

this is what's happening

the corpsrun doesn't kick in before the tombstone breaks

by clicking "take all" you pickup everything anyways and it kicks in as soon as the tombstone dissapears

this has always been how it worked tho afaik 🤔

[lofty field]

True, but maybe it could be improved. Especially the "You are carrying too much" message is very confusing. If you are surrounded by enemies and in a panic, you may realize too late, that you are not actually carrying too much.

[wanton atlas]

well.. if we changed it, you could exploit it over and over and over 😦

[lofty field]

I meant more along the lines of suppressing this message

[wanton atlas]

basicly, you could then open it, grab everything, get the buff and then put something back
so you could do this over and over and over

[lofty field]

Hmm yeah, I see the challenges it would present. But to the user it's still confusing. Happend to me recently. I hadn't died in a long time and did not remember, how this works, so I was too afraid to pick my inventory up because I thought I would become encumbered and there was a wolf on my tail

[lament zinc]

About this sugestion: #suggestions message

What about single players? They won't receive the proposed boost. Are they somehow compensated for it? And if they are, how would that affect the co-op players?

Because the way I see it, this is purely meant for co-op; which means all of us who do like to play this game alone will never receive that boost. And thus may have a harder time in some biomes as those doing co-op.

[languid ibex]

Perhaps a "You feel lighter" message that accompanies Corpse Run? 😅

[peak bronze]

Or "Run for your life".

[languid ibex]

I just mean in the case of the player seeing "You are carrying too much"-- that could be immediately followed by "You feel lighter" when corpse run is applied.

Just to clear up what's happened a bit without changing the function.

[peak bronze]

"Adrenaline rush" then, it feels like corpse run is basically that?

[languid ibex]

I think it'd be best for that text to speak to player's weight a bit more consistently, not necessarily declaring when a buff is applied. It could be out of place a bit, and make other buffs the player receives feel like it is missing text.

[rose swan]

#screenshots message
(this feels like a suggestion?)
The armor set seems far too similar to the fenris set imo 🤔 also doesn’t seem ‘Viking’ enough to me… if that makes sense lol

[chrome anchor]

if you missed it, he has asked ChatGPT to "prove" that what he was arguing about all this time is true

[rose swan]

Ahh gotcha, I see 🤔 thanks!

[floral lotus]

I would like to think 1st player starts with 15 minute bonus and each player after adds a set amount of time to it. Single player could still get the bonus just not as long of a duration.

[lament zinc]

Right.

Might want to add to the suggestion that the bonus to the first player applies at all times and that the rest is only an addition to the first bonus to prolong it, so that single players can enjoy it as well.

[rose swan]

Still seems too much of a multiplayer feature imo 🤔

[floral lotus]

my suggestion mentions the first person and the last person and has no mention of single player or co-op. The idea is to have players interact with the existing items in game in a natural way. The only feature added would be the boost so it could be easier implemented in to the game than other ideas.

[lament zinc]

My point is:

This game is a single player game with a co-op option.

Not a co-op game with a single player option.

So if you add to the sugestion that the boost works for single player games as well, it may actually get more upvotes, as those playing alone will like it too.

No-one who plays this game alone would like a feature that only works if there are two or more persons playing the game on the same server.

[floral lotus]

Play on a server. It is way more fun with others and the game is a game with both single player and multiplayer whether it is designed for pvp or pve it is still a game and played by many people that would disagree with you.

[lament zinc]

It's not up to you to decide whether or not someone wants to play with others. Nor is it because a feature forces players to do so.

Any suggestion made in the channel should be balanced enough to support both single ànd co-op player; without forcing players to go into co-op because a feature unlocks when there's two or more players present in the game.

If it isn't, it will always receive lots of downvotes. And will most likely be less likely being implemented by the devs, because they prefer quality and balance.

[floral lotus]

Well it is not up to you to determine how the game is supposed to be played, either and you must be oblivious to the co-op taming bonus, as there is already incentive in the game to play with others. But it's okay to stay in your cave, troll.

[long glacier]

The devs have confirmed that the intended way to play the game is single-player and suggestions such as multiple people paddling a boat have been denied because they only benefit multiplayer

[floral lotus]

not talking about boats. That would be too much... but there are already co-op incentives in the game.

[lament zinc]

Just a general comment:

Insulting those who counter your ideas with arguments isn't a good idea. It certainly won't make you more popular or get you more votes.

[peak bronze]

Thorin is the trollest of them all.

||Jk obviously. ||

But yeah, doesn't seem like a mechanic we need, as it doesn't benefit the core play (solo).

Too much work for so little to gain, as I see it.

[long glacier]

There are incentives to play co-op because more people will inherently have an advantage, however there are not mechanics that deliberately make multiple players better.

Enemies being easier because they have to kill more health and take more damage with more people is a very different concept from a buff existing/lasting longer with more people

[floral lotus]

There are already other co-op incentives in the game as I have already given an example. To be real, the game is way better on a server playing multiplayer. We have such good times. My suggestion would also be good for a single player campaign but just not as much buff. Still the incentive would be there to play with others, just as taming already encourages.

[floral lotus]

Then stay in your troll cave? Does that better suit you? Either way you don't have to play co-op.

[stone citrus]

4 players can have permanent bonemass just saying
5 mins each

So the argument of it benefiting multiplayer more is pointless

[granite geyser]

"and there is already incentive in the game to play with others"

Exactly, why adding more? It IS a solo game with an optional co-op mode, it would be unfair to solo players to give even more advantages to MP

[floral lotus]

and two people can have the moder winds for 10 minutes.

[peak bronze]

Yeah, so why we need more benefits for coop players?

[stone citrus]

Not that it's needed

And tbh, I find it to be broken, but still in the game already

So before we chastise xprimntl, the existing buff cycling should be criticized

[floral lotus]

Ever tamed with another player? There is already a benefit and also a potion that speeds that boost up more.

[stone citrus]

And, it could be argued for balancing
More players = buffed bosses= something

[granite geyser]

...

I will repeat what I said: If there is already an advantage in playing with others, why adding more?

You are missing the point

[floral lotus]

or let's take out all the incentives of playing with other then and make it solo play only. Which makes more sense?

[granite geyser]

#suggestion-discussion message

No one should be screwed because they decide to play alone. If the feature doesn't work in solo just as well as it would in co-op then not only it will not be added, the feature is broken in the first place,

[lament zinc]

Chastise?

The only one being chastised is me.

I asked a simple question, didn't get a satisfying answer, so reworded the question because I wanted to know how it could be implemented so it would benefit single players too.

And as a result, I got called a troll. Twice, actually..

I don't mind if people disagree with me, because that's what a discussion is about. Disagreeing and finding a way to agree to something eventually.

But the moment someone calls somebody who disagrees with you a troll, only because the one who disagrees doesn't want a buff that benefits co-op only?
I think that's the wrong approach.

[stone citrus]

I don't know who wronged who

But I'm mainly talking about the co-op benefit

[lament zinc]

In that case, start reading back from #suggestion-discussion message.
It's got a link to my first question as well.

[peak bronze]

Current power system could get some rework, true.

[stone citrus]

The only real problem with the suggestion is having another layer of waiting

The co-op bonus in that suggestion however is not nearly as huge as the forsaken powers

[floral lotus]

I don't see a reason why it couldn't work solo only with an added benefit to co-op as other incentives already exist doing while applying the same principles.

It's okay to sit alone, ya'll. Maybe you should try it sometime.

[granite geyser]

Because it's a game focused on single player with an optional co-op mode as you have been told multiple times at this point

[floral lotus]

and I've already reiterated a couple examples to prove that it is not solely for single players.

[granite geyser]

Literally no one said it was

[peak bronze]

The current stamina/hp/eitr regen bonus from Rested buff and the comfort mechanic are enough, no need to complicate that either IMO.

[floral lotus]

okay just overlook all the co-op incentives already in the game and play solo.

[granite geyser]

What?

At this point it's just unbelievable how much you are missing the point

[floral lotus]

you are totally on an opposite playing field and you're completely missing mine. I can clearly see you are stubborn to not even recognize what is in existence already. I don't care if you are steadfast on solo. I am not. And my server has a great time together.

[granite geyser]

#suggestion-discussion message

[floral lotus]

I don't care to debate you. See ya'll later.

[granite geyser]

MP already has more advantages, more will neither be added nor should ever be added. Period

[granite geyser]

Good, because it's irrelevant, it will simply not be a thing as you would know if you opened the link

Also no, we won't

[wanton atlas]

What Rianu is trying to say is that we developers doesn't want to lock features to multiplayer benefits only.
When we add things, we want it to be benificial to all kind of players.

Rowing with boats is another feature we don't add because it would not benefit singleplayer at all and it would make players belive that "developers don't care about me who wants to play alone"

[arctic wharf]

Unless ofc you made dead raiser skeletons able to row for us 🤭

I jest ofc

[wanton atlas]

heh. if it was that simple 😄

and the speed of the boats can't be to fast since the rate that chunks are discovered can't be to quick 😄

[lament zinc]

Well, the idea in general isn't that bad.
Problem is that it would benefit the co-op players again, as it would be easier for them to keep a constant supply of skellies.

Which means there should be some sort of buff being added to rowing, like having a maximum of 4 skellies available for a single player, 2 skellies for two players, 1 for three players and none for four players and above.

That way, a single player is able to control the rudder, while there are always 4 possible rowers.

Problem with that, it'll take some time before your blood magic is high enough to get 4 skellies.
But it's possible to overcome.

[stone citrus]

I hope that discussion sheds light on how 4 people can make forsaken powers have 100% uptime

And delete bonemass buff while we're at it

So if you don't want co-op benefits
You've already gone above and beyond with it

[stiff stag]

Doesn't mean adding more of the same, that's just faulty logic. Existing stuff like that should be dealt with instead.

[wanton atlas]

main problem with that, is it would force everyone to play as mage

same if we did add mounted combat, then that would be "the way" to play valheim

[sullen sequoia]

Maybe only ranged weapons for mounted combat? Bows and crossbows, not staves

[wanton atlas]

that would be insainly OP

[peak bronze]

How about when using some Forsaken power you gain the power (normally for 5 minutes) and 20 min duration "debuff" that don't allow you gain the same power during the debuff timer (similarly how healing/stamina meads work)?

[lament zinc]

For single player, yes, it would. Or use blood magic only, so they could summon the skellies.
But then, with the bukeperries, switching between eitr food and health / stamina food is already easier.

[wanton atlas]

sitting on a lox with 500+ HP and just fire arrows

[sullen sequoia]

Perhaps disable control of the mount while aiming? My experience the loxen and askaven aren’t the easiest to control, but then I’ve never got that high of a skill in it. Or, perhaps introduce mobs that can keep up with mounts

[wanton atlas]

they already are quite OP if you know what you're doing 😅

[sullen sequoia]

Ha! Okay, how about mounted combat but Spear only. And only a jab.

I see you point, now I’m just making a joke.

[wanton atlas]

😛

[peak bronze]

Your username checks out.

[lament zinc]

The problem with mounted combat is that the mount would fight with you. And will be the damage sponge until it dies.
Or at least, that's how I see it.

[wanton atlas]

correct

[peak bronze]

A meat shield, as some would say.

[wanton atlas]

whatever you're riding will be your additional HP pool. and you don't lose stamina while moving in the fight

[lofty wave]

A high-hitbox attack while you’re already up on a mount wouldn’t be particularly useful
Unless you mean it’s a new unique attack specifically for this position

[stone citrus]

That is much better yes
But I still absolutely hate bonemass buff

[lofty wave]

I don’t see how any mounted combat would be better than fighting on the ground where you have significantly more precise control over your movement

[long glacier]

Is there a reason why forsaken powers apply it to nearby players as well as yourself?

[stone citrus]

👀 great question

[wanton atlas]

because it's how we implimented it to begin with 😄

it's insainly good already for multiplayer

[stone citrus]

Emphasis on insanely good

[lofty wave]

Get four players and you have permanent Eikthyr/Bonemass and you just can’t lose. And with eight players you get both.

[wanton atlas]

yes

[peak bronze]

That would also courage to use other powers too.

[lament zinc]

Does that extent to skellies too?

Like having four of them walking bones, activate Bonemass power and they have it as well?

[peak bronze]

What do you think Smiffe, could it be changed like this? #suggestion-discussion message

[wanton atlas]

could work

[granite geyser]

that would just be worse

[peak bronze]

That change would make them less "insanely good" as you phrased and less beneficial for coop play compared to solo play.

[wanton atlas]

yeah

can only gain the benefit of a certain power every 20 minutes

[peak bronze]

Similarly how you get the 2 min cooldown when using HP or Stamina meads.

Would also courage to use other powers too.

[wanton atlas]

ye

[sullen sequoia]

So, @wanton atlas , what’s the consensus about re-adding the Lox ambient sounds for wild lox? I always thought it added so much atmosphere to the Plains especially so at night? Obviously keep them silent on tame lox but maybe re-add them for the wild ones? Right now, it’s just the lox calves that still make them.

[wanton atlas]

re-adding?

[sullen sequoia]

The wild lox don’t make ambient sounds, as far as I am aware.

So, I assumed they were disabled

[wanton atlas]

https://valheim.com/support

report it

[sullen sequoia]

Okay. Will do. Thank you

[wanton atlas]

you make it sound (or my english isn't good enough) like it was removed by us 😄

[sullen sequoia]

I had assumed so since wolf howling was removed for tamed wolves I had thought it was the same for the lox but also extended to their wild counter parts

[wanton atlas]

no 🤔

[sullen sequoia]

If I am wrong, I didn’t mean to offend

[wanton atlas]

they probably never made sounds when tamed

[wanton atlas]

language barrier 😄

so no offense taken

[stiff stag]

Pretty sure you already get a cooldown debuff applied, or something similar to it. They would just need to make it so a given power can't be shared with a player if it's already on cooldown for that player.

[peak bronze]

I meant that additionally to the 20 min cooldown players who get the power also gain the "debuff" which prevents to get the same power until the cooldown is off.

[stiff stag]

What I mean is an extra/new debuff wouldn't be necessary, just use the existing cooldown to indicate whether the power can be shared with the player or not.

[peak bronze]

The debuff doesn't need to be visible tho.

[stiff stag]

What I mean is the developers can code it so the existing cooldown is taken into consideration when a power is being shared. No new debuff is necessary, and whether it's visible or not is a moot point and not an argument I was making.

Unless I misunderstood and this debuff is to prevent any other power from being shared, rather than just the one that's on cooldown.

[wanton atlas]

yeah. you could only be affected by each forsaken power each 20 minutes

whoever casts it. you or a friend

[peak bronze]

Debuff idea was simply the mean to prevent getting the same power while it's on. But surely that might be able to code differently too.

[wanton atlas]

@weak gate are you kidding with the cheat-bow suggestion?

the cheat-sword was made for early game testing back in 2020. and the cheat sledge was made for me because I needed a way to clear a huge area for a specific issue back in 2021

[rose swan]

Cheat staff of cheating when?
||kidding ||

[weak gate]

Nvm

[weak gate]

Also, thx for the explanation of why they’re in the game

[arctic wharf]

your point makes no sense to me btw...
Skeletons raised with a dead raiser last indefinetly right.... until killed ofc
If we have it so there is only 4 slots for rowing on a boat, than any one player could technically keep a boat full with a fully upgraded dead raiser for a skeleton crew.
Not sure the level of blood magic plays much of a part as well, just the weapons level.

Sure it might technically be a bit easier on multiplayer, but literally every aspect of valheim becomes easier on multiplayer 😂

Main point is then rowing as a concept is no longer exclusive to multiplayer... though one could argue locked behind the far later mistlands biome for single player still

Of course I was not being serious in support of the addition hahaha, just entertaining the topic.

[long glacier]

they could make it so only draakar is rowable so it's locked later than dead raiser for multi and single player

[arctic wharf]

I considered that too, funny enough 🤭

[keen mortar]

#suggestions message this is allegedly being fixed as we speak

[boreal zodiac]

they talk about it in one of the devblogs?

[keen mortar]

Not publicly from what I remember, it was a fan video analyzing some screenshots or other things

[boreal zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/comedy-austinpowers-drevil-quotes-gif-13545449192169700523

[lofty wave]

Was it the screenshot of hitting enemies on a slope in mistlands, in a position that wouldn’t have missed in the current version anyway? It doesn’t look like anything changed.

[keen mortar]

I believe so, yes

[lament zinc]

My point made sense to Smiffe as he replied: "main problem with that, is it would force everyone to play as mage"
As you can see here: #suggestion-discussion message

[stone citrus]

why would it even be skeletons rowing, why can't the player row alone

8 people rowing = 8 people also spending precious time
alternative to one person going somewhere alone and dropping portal for the rest

the only reason players all get together on a single boat is for the feeling
every other time, it's one person that drops portal

but then again, out of 8, certainly someone will have moder anyway

so x amount of players want to go to an island with a big mountain
why should they all tag along? serpent?

in our server, we have a player that just drops portals around solo

[lament zinc]

The comment I made was about how OP certain aspects are in Co-op.
Like having the ability to use a constant Bonemass or Eikthyr power when you have 4 players.
The subject of being able to row in MP came up, so I posted an idea about how to counter that in single player by using skeletons. But since that would be OP in co-op as well, I came up with a solution to cap the amount of skeletons that would be available to row, depending at the amount of players.

But, as Smiffe already replied - and thus meaning no - "main problem with that, is it would force everyone to play as mage". Simply because only as a mage you could summon the skellies to help you row the boat.

[stone citrus]

but it's a solution for a nonissue

[arctic wharf]

There is no such thing as playing mage in my opinion. All weapons are just tools in a box that we can use as we please 🤭

[lament zinc]

You still don't get it, do you?

Perhaps reading the whole convo before making a reply first might be better.

[peak bronze]

Tell that to the main player base of the game.

[stone citrus]

I do get it, many players rowing would make it faster and poor solo player can't keep up

but why is that a problem to begin with?

[arctic wharf]

As for what you are saying Dad, they just don't like adding features that are entirely only for multiplayer and simply prefer ones that have use in both multi and solo play.

The silly skeletons idea was just a way to make the feature accessible to solo players as well

[stone citrus]

if many people are wasting their time on a boat, why shouldn't their time be reduced

in group play, it's still solo boat trips thanks to portals
because more people on a boat does nothing, collectively, more time is wasted

if bosses can be buffed up for group play, so can boat travel
more damage = more health
more time = more speed 🧠

[arctic wharf]

Hmmm, not always. Have seen many a video or stream of people traveling together as they go to new places.

They often don't just send out a sacrificial lamb to boat there and drop a portal haha

[stone citrus]

we do that for first time trips
nothing more than just the feeling

[arctic wharf]

Yep, and I think for that feeling rowing with your pals would be cool 🤭

But a shame If the feature was only available to multiplayer no? So why not think up a solution to make it accessible in solo play also

[lament zinc]

The "problem" is what was brought up before with the whole thing about certain aspects of this game being a lot more beneficial for co-op play as it is for single player.

So the point of rowing the Longboat and the Drakar came up, which would - again - be more beneficial to co-op players as it would be for single players.
Then the idea of using skellies for rowing came up, thus making it possible for both single and co-op platers to row the boat; to which I came up with the solution to make it less OP to use skellies in both, but with a limit depending at the amount of players.

To which Smiffe replied: "main problem with that, is it would force everyone to play as mage"

And after that he used the suggestion of using mounts in this game as an example; so we discussed that as well.

[stone citrus]

like I said, you don't have to have skeletons rowing
it's not a problem

[lament zinc]

You still don't get it.

We DON'T have skellies rowing and we don't get any option to row the Longboat / Drakar in the first place because it would disturb the balance between Single and co-op games even more compared to now.

End of discussion!

[arctic wharf]

Don't see how mounts compare well to this suggestion personally. But, I mean? You would hardly be forced to pop down 5 skellies just to get some small rowing speed bonus.

His point of the boat can only go so fast also is pointless if helping to row the boat is reserves only for boosting the rowing speed (slowest speed).

[stone citrus]

saying "You don't get it" doesn't make it right

It is a non-issue and would never disturb this magical balance between single and co-op