valheim-chat

[half dragon]

but if you enjoy hunting them, no point to not make it

[lusty crescent]

I'd rather fight a serpent than a lox lol

[half dragon]

how come? they're pretty easy to hunt with a proper weapon

[strange arrow]

remember you also need the serpent trophies for fishing bait

[half dragon]

still will clap your ass if you make a mistake, but when done properly it's pretty quick ill

but the thing is, you do not need fishing rod or bait to get fish

ever noticed how sometimes fish get to the dry land? Well, you can also do that on purpose and make fish catchers

doesn't work on ocean fish tho...

[strange arrow]

doesn't work on larger fish than level 2 either

well at least they don't jump as often, they can get washed up but it's rare, easiest to fish them up if you really want super size display fish

[lusty crescent]

Not too difficult
You often outsail them and can kill them pretty quick by the time you're at plains with good bows and arrows

[half dragon]

I do plan to go for that hat eventually, but I think I'll go with my plan to make multiple characters for same world. next chara will be a hunter that I'll do my manual fishing with, think will go for knives and bows for weapons

why I think this is a good idea is because of the death penalty on skills. Would be near impossible to focus on multiple things and get them all high level

Anyone tried if it's possible to make make a stone wall steep enough to prevent wolves getting over it?

[fair cairn]

stone wall? like in the actuall wall or the ground raising?

[half dragon]

raising the ground

[opal prairie]

Certainly, you can make em basically vertical.

[half dragon]

yea but is that enough? those wolves are insane climbers 😂

[fair cairn]

yes, you can make them vertical, only yould be able to get in with sheer will and dedication

[opal prairie]

Yes, it stops the wolves from scaling the walls, be they friend or foe.

[half dragon]

great. time to make the mountain steeper around my base to prevent them from coming in

made a base at a mountain top

[opal prairie]

Terraforming a go go.

[half dragon]

insert surprised pikachu face. I blocked a hit from golem flew off the mountain

[opal prairie]

Went splat?

[half dragon]

yup

[pliant hatch]

The Dev's should put a red tombstone symbol in the list for that.

[opal prairie]

Wondering what the poor viking was thinking when it was launched.
I believe I can fly.

[half dragon]

He must have been thinking about all that momentum. And about how speedy thing goes in, speedy thing comes out. However, there's no portal to be found

[pliant hatch]

The creatures would most likely rate that flight with a 6.5; 6.2; 6.6; 5.8 and a 2.0 from the East German jury.

[half dragon]

so glad this fenris set comes with cold resistance. I've been keeping that wolf cape as backup for corpse runs

[queen wadi]

What the fuck are grauger

[opal prairie]

Draugr spelled wrong?

[queen wadi]

Just took a ship to an island off spawn

[pliant hatch]

A breed between Greydwarves and Drauger, I asume.

[opal prairie]

Zombie like things.

[queen wadi]

Yup

The fuck they do so much lol, got troll cape and full bronze

[opal prairie]

Wait till you meet a 2 star draugr archer.

[mellow dagger]

Hohooo

Eikthyr rally come in handy, I now have 3 boars taming :D

[queen wadi]

You can tame boars ?

The game gunna have a lot of crazy shit

[pliant hatch]

You can tame several creatures for food, pelts or helping you fighting monsters.

Just keep them in an enclosed and covered area to prevent them from being killed by a later biome's event.

[mellow dagger]

Aaand two despawned. Sadge

[pliant hatch]

You sure they aren't killed or ran away?
I've never seen boars despawning.

[queen wadi]

So you just put them in a fence and they'll just tame?

[pliant hatch]

You build a fence around them, drop some food (berries, mushroom, carrots) and remain close enough for them to be hearing you or not aware of you; but not having the exclamation mark over their head.

Taming takes about 30 minutes to be done.

One trick is to build a bit of a wall nearby or even as fence and sneak behind that one; as they won't see you.

Don't build a fire, as that may trigger that exclamation mark.

[cosmic siren]

If you are trying to tame wolfs terraform is the answer wolfs are to strong for wooden walls

[opal prairie]

Dig a hole, floor over it, lure boar/wolf/lox on it, break floor so they drop in, toss in food repair floor and wait.

[pliant hatch]

For boars?

Nvm, you edited.

[plush umbra]

Can puffer fish 🐠 be used to dismantle the dvergrs security system (the ward)? Sorry thorin you just happen to be here for this question. The world is truly a small place

[warm fable]

Is there a definite date when the Ashland update will be?

[charred otter]

Wait necks can eat crops????

[opal prairie]

They only damage "living" tissue if I'm not mistaken, so you can kill the dvergrs like that without aggro.
You can ram a cart into the ward without getting aggro I believe.
Haven't tested myself but seen it mentioned.

[opal prairie]

Between now and 30th of June.

[pliant hatch]

Somewhere between today and the 30th of June.

So somewhere in the next 95 days.

[plush umbra]

The cart method is taking too damn long

And I don't wanna aggro them

[queen wadi]

Whats that?

[opal prairie]

Pufferfish won't aggro them but will kill the dvergr you can then just hack away at the ward.
Kiting a gjall or some seekers there will also do the work.

[mellow dagger]

I ran to my temple nearby to get more berries and whe I came back only one remained (the area was secluded, so I think it's because I ran too much away

[queen wadi]

Ohh alright cool thank you

[opal prairie]

A fire they could have wandered into? Boars shouldn't despawn, only happens with starred wolves were the taming process hasn't started.

[mellow dagger]

Aaand also now I can't bring myself to tame more boars for pelts because the tamed boar is happy and loves me :'D

[mellow dagger]

Nope, it's basically was just a round of stakewalls without door which you can only jump into

Or out

[opal prairie]

They could have bumped into the stakewalls and taken damage like that.

Any meat and leather scraps there?

[mellow dagger]

Nope

[charred otter]

Can necks eat crops?

[mellow dagger]

They weren't tamed

Yet, only started to tame

[opal prairie]

They will try and break out so they might have gotten over a stakewall and run away.

[mellow dagger]

Well, now I'm happy with one boar frien witch I don't olan to eat or breed :3

[smoky quarry]

Omg! they will add growing vines . what a champ!!!

[mellow dagger]

Nope, the building was completely secluded and it's like a pit - it's just because I run half a mile away to get berries for them

[opal prairie]

If they had no way to get out there should have still been three, you can go all around the world and the boars should still be there, they don't despawn.

[mellow dagger]

I mean, they were spawned in by the eikthyr rally soooo

[opal prairie]

Ah, yeah those can despawn if certain conditions are met.

[mellow dagger]

Good question, I don't know too

[pliant hatch]

I know they can destroy planted crops, but you can't feed them to tame them.

[queen wadi]

What are all the sea creatures and how likely how they to spawn on you?

[rustic schooner]

snakes: occasionally
leviathans: less occasionally

9 types of fishes: constantly

[pliant hatch]

Fish, serpent and leviathan.

Of those three, Fish are always there, Serpents usually spawn most during storms and nights and Leviathans I dunno actually how that work

[queen wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-dragon-and-water-gif-15265178

That thing? that big ass creature attacks?

How the hell do you even fight that lol

[rustic schooner]

with bows and harpoons. also they aint that big

[queen wadi]

Any useful drops?

Wasn't there a kraken in this game?

Or is that manual spawn

[pliant hatch]

No kraken. Unless it's from a mod.

[queen wadi]

Lame

they gotta add that in ong

[charred otter]

Cuz I saw one near my crops and there was half a row gone

[smoky quarry]

i don`t think there was a kraken in viking myth kek

[pliant hatch]

That can happen if you plant to close as well.

If a monster destroys it, it's more like an area, not a nice row

[smoky quarry]

then again, neither was santa :p

maybe we get to make wine

[queen wadi]

How do you make beer n stuff

[rustic schooner]

so so

[queen wadi]

You can have tankards so

[pliant hatch]

No beer.
We do have mead, though

[queen wadi]

Bro

Valheim is really selling

[smoky quarry]

you know Vines are going to sell out fast

can finally make my old bases look outgrown and abandoned :p

[opal prairie]

You want to troll the trolls into believing they have nothing to find there?

[charred otter]

Sent an image in #valheim-help

[smoky quarry]

update will probably release when I go on vacation soon, because life

[queen wadi]

Whats gunna be in the Ashlands?

[smoky quarry]

ash

[queen wadi]

Wonderful

[half dragon]

also probably land

[opal prairie]

Fire and brimstone!
Guitar riff

[half dragon]

We'll know more when public test starts for it

[rustic schooner]

probably game stuff

[regal spoke]

#news has some info for what's coming. Like the dev blog just posted yesterday?

[serene talon]

amazing stuff

[drowsy magnet]

hot stuff

[serene talon]

that also

[drowsy magnet]

and pain

[serene talon]

oh its gonna be pain alright

you won't see the ashlands on the map because they are gonna be covered with death symbols

[mystic gale]

i need a dev vlog without spoilers lol

maybe ill watch the previous one

[serene talon]

well they all have spoilers

[mystic gale]

yeah but ive played through mistlands now so i can watch the ones before that expansion

[serene talon]

oh right

there isn't that much there to be found i think since they didn't show that much about mistlands

[charred otter]

Is abyssal razor useful?

[merry pebble]

yes, its swamp tier weapon

[opal prairie]

Certainly for swamp and earlier, can do good in mountains, plains not so much but you can make new daggers before that.

[charred otter]

I have a maxed bronze sword (which I think is equivalent or better than iron 1?), and I don't have knives lvled up

Also if I want smthing specifically for swamp than mace would prob be better

[merry pebble]

oh for sure, but its great that you can get it in the meadows already 😄

[opal prairie]

Black forrest, you need pickaxe for chitin.

[vivid walrus]

Mace is probably the best weapon for the swamp

[merry pebble]

true, i guess killing Eikthyr does put you into BF 😄

[charred otter]

Not sure if I should bother with getting an iron mace or if I should just stick to the sword bcz it's lvled up to 35

[vivid walrus]

Everything is weak to blunt damage in the swamp except maybe wraiths

[paper marsh]

Antler should work, no?

[opal prairie]

For a faster bonemass fight getting an iron mace certainly helps a lot.

[versed parcel]

tbh I do think having to like automatically resort to an iron mace as the weapon for bonemass is kinda wacky

[opal prairie]

Any pickaxe will do, you make the first pickaxe from the antler of the meadows boss, making the earliest you can get chitin black forest.

[versed parcel]

not that I dislike maces
they're fine I guess

[charred otter]

Mace > lvl 35 sword (same material and lvl, ex: iron)?

[versed parcel]

I haven't done a playthrough where I main maces yet

[paper marsh]

I don’t get it, how is meadows pickaxe BF tier

[opal prairie]

You don't need to, it just makes the fight easier, you can certainly make a pincushion out of bonemass with arrows and a bow, but you'll need a whole lot of arrows and a couple of bows.

[paper marsh]

Kill eik, then swim or raft to a leviathan

[charred otter]

Swim??? that seems crazy

Ig u just spam a ton of food for regen?

[vivid walrus]

Technically there is no meadows pickaxe. You can’t get one until you beat eikthyr

[opal prairie]

You defeat the boss of the meadows and with the drop from that boss you make the first pickaxe which shows you mastered meadows and are now ready for black forest.

[paper marsh]

Ah I c, just a difference of where the line for BF is drawn. For me meadows boss = meadows gear, but I can see the argument of it being BF gear

That said love me an abyssal razor

[half dragon]

imo, if it's not obtained in the black forest, it is not black forest gear

black forest already has bronze pickaxe anyway

antler pickaxe fits meadow's scuffed ungabunga caveman tier equipment anyway

[paper marsh]

Does feel a bit weird being able to obtain “Black Forest gear” if you (theoretically) had a world generate with Meadows as the only biome

[vocal rivet]

Well, as that's not possible it's a largely moot point.

[paper marsh]

Over exaggeration but think it fits. Point just being not needing to step foot in BF

[paper marsh]

I wouldn’t recommend that unless it’s extremely close to the coast. And rather stamina food than hp regen, and maybe some swim skill

[opal prairie]

Ah but the bronze pickaxe is needed for iron in the swamp. You can use it for copper and tin but you need it for iron.

[paper marsh]

No, antler pickaxe works for iron

I never make bronze

Unless if we’re talking mistlands iron

[half dragon]

What, you don't want to suffer with us?

[opal prairie]

Eh learned something new, i always make a few bronze pickaxes since they last longer.
I still think of the bronze pickaxe as swamp gear, you make it in the black forest but primarily for the next biome.

[frigid gust]

I like the antler pickaxe better because the bronze isn't that much faster, but I can repair the antler with a simple lean-to over a workbench on the side of a crypt instead of portaling all the way home

[charred otter]

Oh really, don't bronze have more dura and takes less clicks to mine?

[half dragon]

that portal home isn't really all that much extra steps...

and I'd rather be done with it quicker. I noticed quite massive difference between antler pickaxe and bronze. made mining copper so much faster and I hated it when I believed that it wouldn't make much of a difference

[frigid gust]

I mean... it kinda is. Takes a lot more time to do the back and forth dance each time. Setting up the workbench takes less time than it takes to portal back and forth in my experience.

[paper marsh]

yea, but I don't think it's worth wasting bronze on for that. The damage difference doesn't feel that noticeable to me, and easier to bring like 4 antler picks which will last longer than 1 bronze

And can quickly upgrade to iron pick

bronze pick is also an oof without portals

[grave wagon]

It's pretty much unplayable for me

[half dragon]

that's about 10 seconds of extra walking to go through a portal to fix it. Which is easily saved by taking less time to mine anything and have to fix it less often

[paper marsh]

My problem is more the time required to mine copper (and tin) and then smelt it for the bronze pick

[charred otter]

What's the subsitute for black soup?

[paper marsh]

uhhhh, sausages? Deer stew?

[half dragon]

^

[paper marsh]

tbh I'm not a big black soup fan, feel its about equally good as Deer stew

[half dragon]

but more pain to make

[charred otter]

Alr deer stew (sauges I use along with it)

And muchshake is the replacement for turnip stew? (until I get the boar farm going)

[paper marsh]

I'd go for carrot soup

[half dragon]

boar meat + honey is pretty good combo for 3rd food. gives decent amount of stamina and hp if you do not need more stamina

[paper marsh]

but muckshake ain't bad

[charred otter]

Why, muckshake stats r better?

[mystic gale]

has diving as a feature ever been mentioned?

[paper marsh]

Muckshake is a bit better, I just find its expensive to make compared to carrot soup. Although I don't remember the exact recipe

It's a very valid choice tho, go for it if you like the extra stats

[half dragon]

boar jerky, that's 1 boar meat and 1 honey to give you 2 jerky

[paper marsh]

few hundred times

[half dragon]

+23 to both stamina and hp

[paper marsh]

Only by players tho as suggestions, Devs never mentioned wanting to go for it

[half dragon]

doubt they ever will. they would have to redo the whole underwater world. It's completely underwhelming and only hidden by the water surface

[frigid gust]

Smiffe has said they don't intend to implement it. Just like we aren't dwarves making caves, we aren't swimmers, either 😉

[charred otter]

My issue is the boar meat, only have like 5 left

[half dragon]

hunt some deer and boar? unlikely you'll have too much of scrap and leather

[paper marsh]

That's fair, I like just using boar for sausages. Sausages are so good

[frigid gust]

Muckshake overall stats are better, but it adds less healing than carrot soup, which can be fairly significant at times

[charred otter]

Sauges give 4 at a time so I am set on those (got 40)

[grave wagon]

And it's way easier to make. I like being able to stack tons of the same types of food so it takes up less slots (both in storage and inventory).

[half dragon]

I used boar for both sausage and jerky. I ended up killing quite a lot of them and never threw meat them away

[charred otter]

Rn I have 20 black soup, turnip soup and sauges (+20 sauges extra)

[half dragon]

yet I'm still runinng out of leather and scraps...

[charred otter]

So hopefully that'd do for a while

[grave wagon]

Wolf jerky is just as easy to make once you get some wolves so I go that route

[half dragon]

for sure, but until got access to them

[frigid gust]

I like turnip stew for the healing as well. It's a bit expensive on the boar meat, but it's better healing than onion soup

[charred otter]

I used to instantly cook meat, I have 80 cooked boar, 15 cooked meat (cuz stews require cooked) and 20-ish neck

I hope there is some recipes that requires those cooked, if not then I can maybe just throw it to save space

[half dragon]

ooohh yea I see the problem. can't be used for some of the recipes when cooked 😂

[grave wagon]

I'm a lunatic and get wolves right when I start the game 😄

[plush umbra]

hi im new in the game

is it possible to get ur buildings destroyed while u are offline, or even online?

[opal prairie]

Eat them while doing chores in the base, no need for best food in base.

[half dragon]

umm... got some bad news. went to check the wiki and I don't see a single recipe for cooked boar meat

[rustic schooner]

if the server continues to run, yes

[plush umbra]

so when i play alone, not? not in a public or hosted server but a world i made for myself, singleplayer

[charred otter]

Welp f

[opal prairie]

Correct, it can only be destroyed if it is in render distance of a player when the server is on.

[half dragon]

as long as you're not playing in a hosted server, nothing should happen there

[plush umbra]

cool ty

[austere flame]

i just started valheim a few days ago and recently fought the elder. however, i felt the fight was a little stale. ||shoot arrows -> dodge roots -> stand behind pillar to dodge vine hands. and because the elder had a ton of hp,|| it felt a little too long and kinda boring

[grave wagon]

This is what I'd do too. Then after clearing out that food I only use easily replaceable food for in-base/riskless tasks (like honey and yellow mushrooms)

[rustic schooner]

yeah it's not necessarily a complex boss

[austere flame]

i see

i suppose its not meant to be, its only the second boss of the game

[half dragon]

for sure. that boss could have a bit less HP... later bosses are much better. that boss fight is probably the most boring one

[austere flame]

good to know

[half dragon]

with proper weapons boss fights do not take as long as that one

[rustic schooner]

none of the bosses are not really, like, complex mechanically imo. more like beef gates or "you need this item"

[half dragon]

none of the other bosses are nearly as boring as just hidding behind a pillar tho 😂

a lot of them you can just go fight in a melee like a real viking

the next boss is a big F U for all the archers too, lol

[paper marsh]

It's a bit more fun (and I believe faster) going in melee, although a bit harder too

[grave wagon]

The boss fights are also pretty dependent upon how geared up you are as well. If you've been in that biome and are maxing everything out you'll have a much easier time obviously.

[paper marsh]

First three bosses are a bit boring to me, I like the other 3 better but none are ever super complex

[half dragon]

eh. first one was fun enough. Not hard but still makes you feel better about yourself

[charred otter]

I could, but I would rather still have good stamina while doing it, ig I can make some stamina-heavy food for when I do base stuff

[paper marsh]

just over so quick, but yeah I do like the design of the boss and the figth

[opal prairie]

The first time you see eikthyr and how massive he is compared to all the rest of the biome is an awesome moment that doesn't come back with any of the other bosses.

[grave wagon]

It sets the tone for the rest of the experiences, definitely

[paper marsh]

It is an incredibly awesome moment when Eik is summoned. Big, awesome, weather changes, lightning travelling his body, and then he's just a lil pushover with no hp or damage

[charred otter]

Yea, first time I saw him I was like wtf I am not prepared for this, but somehow I was able to just run and shoot and beat him, it was really cool

[opal prairie]

The first time I fought him I was all like fuck fuck fuck, dodge, come on dodge, ok move away a bit I need a breather, zap, shit that was too close for comfort, finally it is dead.

[austere flame]

my summon area was a very unfortunate place with very slanted slopes and near water, so i couldnt run away much. i died the first time but came back prepared with bow and arrows

[opal prairie]

Then you get to Elder and are like, okay how big is this going to be and what will I have to look out for and it is less of a "O shit" moment.

[austere flame]

mhm. its more of a "oh, that's not so bad"

[rustic schooner]

the dragon is a pain in the ass

[charred otter]

Yea, elder was just like oh so it's just a walking tree, I did die once after I got him to like 45% hp, but then I was able to kill him on the 2nd try, made myself a bunker under it so it was really easy to get my stuff back

Also I have 17 stacks of resin, is it fine to only keep like 10 (1 chest) and throw the rest?

[opal prairie]

Bonemass was, ||ugh these adds are annoying.||
Moder was, ||ok where is a spot to hide behind so I can plink from safety and run closer when needed.||
Yagluth though was a pain, ||his attacks come so fast after each other you constantly need to move and sneak an attack in here and there.||
Queen was ||doable with staff of embers, dead raiser and staff of protection.||

[charred otter]

I haven't done bonemass yet so I won't read ur msg

[half dragon]

Finally done securing my mountain base... carved everywhere around my mountain top to make it more steeper to prevent wolves and golems from climbing it.

[opal prairie]

Can you get off and on the mountain now, made secure stairs or using a portal?

[half dragon]

I made a ramp for jumping over to it, I'll post a screenshot

[rustic schooner]

would be cool to have some sort of viking car so we could do sick drifts on mountains

[regal spoke]

My viking car has fur

[half dragon]

it is pretty decent pace considering the size of these updates tho?

[opal prairie]

Vikings sail down mountains. ;p

[regal spoke]

How about be patient like the rest of us

Oh well

[half dragon]

dont't recall anybody asking yours either... I'll have to increase the render distance

[hallow canyon]

We over-prepared for Eikthor so found him easy. Pretty much the same for The Elder, Bonemass, and Moder. Yagluth was the first that took us two tries. The first time we fought The Queen, she was bugged, and in the landscape, not in her Citadel, so we died a lot of times trying to kill her. We found her much more doable on the second attempt when we were able to fight her in the Citadel.

[half dragon]

nope, still don't see anybody

you didn't just ask a question, you gave an opinion

[regal spoke]

You can leave your complaints in the toilet

[half dragon]

it is. anybody with a functioning brain can read that you believe it's slow

[rustic schooner]

slap some wheels on that baby

[opal prairie]

You can try it here but people will point out that the game is early access and typically a game takes 3-5 years of development, so they have till 2026 before they are slow and even then there are lots of games that take longer to develop.
They will also ask if you rather want shoddy quick updates or slower well made updates.

[half dragon]

you're free to leave. you're not exactly being very nice to anybody here with that attitude of "I didn't ask"

[warm depot]

eykthy - dodge his attacks
elder - dodge his stump
bonemass - dodge his hand and poison res
moder - dodge her slash
yagluth - watch which hands he rise + fire res
queen - god above

[half dragon]

the content was more frequent, but updates were also smaller

[opal prairie]

So you jumped into this discord with a preconceived notion how it was going to be and decided after just a few sentences that you were correct.
Stay a while and get to know the people and the developers and you will see that we are mostly a friendly bunch.

[half dragon]

you don't see what's problem with what you just said before and now?

[desert flower]

lol welcome to the discord.

[rustic schooner]

yeah not very complex. pretty standard for this kind of open world roguelike thing

[charred otter]

I am entitled to my opinion
So it is an opinion

[opal prairie]

All of that still applies, you only look at content being added but forget about all the qol patches, the rewriting of the engine, the bug fixes, hildir being added, ...

[hallow canyon]

You can express your opinion, but be aware that other people will express theirs as well, and the most active people on any game Discord are those who are most knowledgeable about the game and most supportive of the game developers, so expect excessive negativity to be shot down instantly.

[half dragon]

How about go back and take a look at that message, then take a look in the mirror and ask yourself were you being nice

[charred otter]

Twitter might be a good place if u like drama

[desert flower]

I suppose you could send a private message to the devs. They've been pretty clear from the start, however, that they're making the game at their pace and not expanding their team.

[rustic schooner]

spoopy

[regal spoke]

Everyone here loves this game. Yes we would love more content more often. But we patiently wait for the devs to deliver. This is the way.

[hallow canyon]

Umm, this is a pretty normal dev cycle

[half dragon]

incorrect messsage. I pointed you out the other one

[desert flower]

the dev team is only like 4 people.

[opal prairie]

It add loads to the game, there are still bugs and they are getting fixed, it sounds like you do forgot about them "nothing has been added, content creation is slow".

[warm depot]

Long ago, the allfather odin united the valheim english chats

[opal prairie]

14 I think but still small.

[near furnace]

4? you mean 14

[warm depot]

hello smiffe!!!

[desert flower]

the dev team is onlike like, 14 people, man.

[warm depot]

happy spring or however it goes!

[half dragon]

it wasn't a jerk responsse. Very reasonable but you took it personally...

[desert flower]

we're both wrong, it's 14.

lol

[hallow canyon]

14 is still a small team, especially for a game this size.

[charred otter]

As a developer with 8 years of experience, this is a great dev cycle, you don't want to pile up features non stop, you add features, fix all the bugs that arised from those features, add QoL changes to make these features less painful to interact with, wait for feedback to see if there are more QoL changes/bugfixes, and only then you continue adding new features.

Unless you are a software developer who made your own game, you don't have the knowledge or experience to judge the team fairly

[desert flower]

14 is still very small

[charred otter]

Oh dang only 14, then my point stands even more, I think only Minecraft is the other game with a somewhat small team

[half dragon]

I took a short 2 year break from the game and the game improved massively, if I compare this to any other early access game I'm following/playing, this has easily improved the most in that same time

[desert flower]

Helldivers 2 has 100+ people on their team and they're considered a smaller studio

[half dragon]

well except baldurs gate 3 if we count that... that game in general is just insane

[desert flower]

let's see it. I'd LOVE to see your game.

[regal spoke]

The minority report

[hallow canyon]

I'd be concerned it would be too much like the "game" Smiffe was asked to test...

[charred otter]

Is it released yet?

[half dragon]

14 plenty for game like this? barely enough imo. but don't think there's need to expand either unless the devs feel like they need more people

[charred otter]

Apart from graphics (which is a style choice), I can totally see this being a AAA game with over 100+ devs, 14 is crazy small for this kind of stuff

[desert flower]

in comparison to other studios. BG3 had nearly 500 devs, for example.

[near furnace]

and like a trillion pieces of clothes 😄

[half dragon]

it's crazy how good work they managed to do with that game tho

[desert flower]

I'm still upset I can't do anything with all the rope i picked up 😂

[half dragon]

you'll only ever find what you expect if you're not even open to changing your mind

[regal spoke]

You're on an island mate

[desert flower]

I think when you enter a new space with entitlement, you're probably going to get defensiveness, in any situation.

[charred otter]

Especially when you need vastly different skills per-person, you need programmers, terrain designers, ui designers, gameplay designers, general designers, sound designers, music composers etc, there are probably 14 different skills you need (if not more) for making a game

And having just 1 programmer for this kind of game is impossible, so I would assume they have more than 1 (same with artists and other roles)

So 14 is most definetely not enough

[desert flower]

how is that an argument? Check the discord/reddit, people are pretty content. You can find upset/happy people anywhere you look.

can we see some screenshots of your game? I'm curious about it.

[grave wagon]

If you're not happy then stop playing. Do you think telling the developers that their pace is too slow for you is going to fix that problem?

[rustic schooner]

i get being frustrated for sure but in that case why buy it, nu?

[charred otter]

Ever heard about the vocal minority?
If I say "Cats are better than dogs" (true statement), those who like cats will just agree and move on, but those who like dogs will start arguing.
U can't determine if there are more people who like cats versus dogs by just seeing who responed

[desert flower]

lol you sent me an .exe. I'm not opening that

[charred otter]

Can u dm me aswell?

[grave wagon]

You think they don't intend on finishing the game, despite the fact that they've been actively working on and showcasing progress?

[opal prairie]

They are taking the job seriously else they wouldn't have increased their team to 14, you can't just keep adding people and expecting it to go faster that isn't how it works.

[hallow canyon]

Umm. At the pricepoint for EA, this is definitely not fraudulent. There are people with thousands of hours of gameplay in for $20 or less.

[grave wagon]

Cyber security 101 says don't open exe files from strangers.

[vocal rivet]

Oh God, is is that time of day already?

[grave wagon]

Like I said, if you're displeased, don't play.

[opal prairie]

Sadly we have one of those again yeah.

[half dragon]

welcome back 😂

[desert flower]

how many hours out of your $20 purchase have you got?

[thin fulcrum]

No matter how many mothers you throw at it, a baby still needs 9 months.

[charred otter]

I have no idea, but I can only assume most of that money didn't go to the devs, there is the publisher that takes a large cut, there is steam that takes a large cut, there are taxes you probably have to pay, there is all the money it costed for things like advertisements/assets, and after you count all of those, split it by 14 devs, and then for the amount of time each dev spent on this project, they probably didn't get paid much, I would guess it's in the 6 digits, but I wouldn't suprised if it was only in the 5 digits

[grave wagon]

You're warned when you purchase the game. Buyer beware.

[opal prairie]

You did know that it was in early access and with a bit of research you would have known it could take 3-5 years at a minimum till the game would be finished.

[light moat]

At least the updates are solid and smooth! Would rather have slow and steady than fast and sloppy.

[charred otter]

You bought it knowing that you don't know when it'll be fully released, if they stopped updating the game right this moment, I wouldn't even mind

[desert flower]

not the case--Mechabellum for example is having a free 1.0 release, but people paid to go into EA.

[half dragon]

same. the game is at really good state right now, but for sure wouldn't complain about getting more content

[hallow canyon]

Personally I think the money I spent on the game was well worth the enjoyment I received from it, even if it is never finished.

[light moat]

I think there are a lot of other games/companies to be upset with, I can think of at least three example.

[rustic schooner]

well, yeah, but that's EA in general, it's a bet every time

[opal prairie]

They do listen, many things the community wanted have made it into the game. Their stance on not showing things from the next biome has changed because of the community. ...

[half dragon]

so far I haven't made a single bad purchase with early access titles. liked all of them and got what I paid for and then some

[hallow canyon]

They are present in this Discord. That is one thing you see with dev teams that listen.

[warm depot]

I just tried to play No Map and this is the first time in my life I felt real anxiety

[opal prairie]

Well your math is wrong. @near furnace Tell this "gentleman" the math he has done is no where near accurate.

[desert flower]

This guy is an obvious troll, right? Sends .exe files, says he's a programmer, has "done the math" We should probably just stop interacting. 😅

[warm depot]

after what, 3 years of valheim, I got too used to the safety of having a map

[hallow canyon]

Of course they can't make everyone happy. They have to look at the whole of the feedback and make decisions.

[grave wagon]

You can't figure out how more people doesn't always equate to faster production so excuse us for not trusting your math.

[near furnace]

it doesn't 🙂

Valheim uses steams "localized price system" so the game cost more in Australia and about 2-3$ in south america

we also usually use streams sales for discounts. so people can buy it for less than 30-40-50% discounts

[charred otter]

As someone who basically just plays Minecraft, probably over 10k+ hours (Valheim is my 2nd ever survival game)
Minecraft and Valheim are expected to get free updates, but most games don't.

If Valheim never promised more content, and just had 6 biomes for example and then later came out with DLCs for the next biomes, nobody would even be mad, they'd be happy they can buy more content

[hallow canyon]

Valheim is dirt cheap compared to comparable games in EA.

[grave wagon]

I forgot that developing the game = abandoning it

[charred otter]

I bought the game for my birthday and then 1 week later it was on sail for half the price, lol

[near furnace]

steam takes a % pay-cut, and then also the publisher % pay-cut

[charred otter]

Nobody is gonna run a shady exe lol

[desert flower]

he's obviously

[opal prairie]

Where has anyone said that we don't want the game to be finished, all of us want it finished, we are just a tad more patient and understanding that a work of art takes time.

[charred otter]

Yea exactly what I told him earlier, for curiousty if you are able to say, are you getting paid 5 or 6 (or 7?) digits a year from the game?

[near furnace]

or we invest the money in our product 🫡

[hallow canyon]

Enshrouded and Nightingale are games in the same genre in EA and they are 30% more expensive in the Steam store.

[grave wagon]

And they have a good track record of actually making additions to the game. We've seen quite a few already.

[light moat]

What’s the issue if Irongate/developers are ‘rich?’ Wouldn’t you want people who make a good product to be rewarded?

[near furnace]

I get my montly paycheck just as any other normal human 🤔

can't. it's not public information 🙂

and it doesn't matter what I say on the matter either

if it's 200 dollar. or 2000 dollar

it's a number

[rustic schooner]

it’s at least 5 i think

[charred otter]

Are you also holding any shares (if you are able to disclose)?

[near furnace]

nope

[grave wagon]

Why don't you apply to work for them? I'm sure you can get them rolling in the right direction.

[near furnace]

no shares 😄

[light moat]

I could understand the frustration if there were signs of the game being abandoned. But the players receive a lot of devblogs, content delivers on the dates they say. I personally don’t see an issue.

[near furnace]

The kickstarter wasn't for us to begin with.
go re-read the information on it
the company behind it is Heroic replicas

[half dragon]

you've been making a lot of assumptions last hour. But rather than being willing to change mind at all it seems like you're only here to confirm what you already believe

[near furnace]

The money goes into hiring more skilled people like a VFX artist, music artists, animator, additional programmer. expanding on the original plan etc

[charred otter]

I'd assume they are not "rich", they are not poor, probably above average, but considering their work, I would expect them to get payed more than average.

Not to be rude, but you would assume a developer gets paid more than a support-person in some company

[near furnace]

btw. if you gonna keep up just changing the subject evertime I give you some sort of answer. you will have to go mate

[charred otter]

If they were to be paid the same that'd be really bad economically, most people will opt to the easier jobs and nobody will want to do the hard ones because there is no incentive

[meager fossil]

Holy heck, its smiffe

[near furnace]

so we should buy there merch and give it for free to people?
or how would you go around and do it?

[meager fossil]

Smiffe! Ashlands when?! Im super tempted to play valheim again. I dont want to burnout of the game right before new content though 😄

[light moat]

Do you feel like monthly isn’t enough? Would you agree that finding the pictures/content uninteresting is a matter of opinion?

[uncut bough]

they want you to work for +100% but makes -50% of money

[ember panther]

Yeah it takes some getting used to. I got lost in the first 5 minutes lol then after about the 5th time I got lost I began chopping trees and pathing everywhere I go

[near furnace]

the price would still be the same you know?

[charred otter]

Why would he fund their merch? if you work at some company and get paid 100k usd per year, as an employee, would you be willing to pay for the company's expenses out of your pocket? of course not

[halcyon thistle]

Smiffe this is not worth the stress it is causing you, please, it's a simple little red button

[half dragon]

adding middlemen to sales usually only makes things more expensive, not cheaper

[halcyon thistle]

while it is good to educate misinformed people, some trolls don't even care

[uncut bough]

if i buy 2 plushies lox ( still uncertain) can i get lox offspring?

[grave wagon]

I had forgotten about the importance of the stones at the beginning and just wandered away. Had to re-find them after realizing my mistake.

[meager fossil]

It's my objective opinion, that this conversation takes too much focus away, from spreading controlled democracy and freedom

[rustic schooner]

it’s managed democracy, was this written by a bug or robot? troubling.

[charred otter]

That's most def not how it works, please try to do it yourself first, and only once you get to their position then you can say your (invalid) opinion

[ember panther]

Yup! No map? No problem! I'll go wherever I want and survive wherever I want and.... Wait, Where's eikthyr?

[grave wagon]

Elite level programmer, master marketing guru, and all around swell guy.

[hallow canyon]

What are everyone’s favorite ways to fight trolls in-game?

[uncut bough]

i think he is gone banned

[meager fossil]

@rustic schooner Ive been found!

[halcyon thistle]

there you go!!!

[warm depot]

how do you recover ur grave if you cant find where u died

[charred otter]

Nooo, I wasn't able to read his msg

[near furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-rotating-neon-glow-in-the-dark-glowing-gif-26666518

guys and gals. seriously

[charred otter]

What did he say about Minecraft selling toys?

[near furnace]

don't feed internet trolls like that

[pliant hatch]

You need to feed them plushy cloudberries. Otherwise breeding won't work.

[near furnace]

all they want. is to rally up people. and they succeeded

[uncut bough]

expect a sternly worded "Steam discussion" about how repressive Devs are in a few hours, or a few days

[charred otter]

lmao

[near furnace]

usually trolls joins the discord after being banned somewhere else

[meager fossil]

Smiffe is giving free samples of space cat wisdom

[uncut bough]

usually troll dies when i shoot them with draugr fang

[hearty niche]

They try to get banned then use the banning as an indicator they were right. It's a whole pathology and I don't think there's a medication for it yet.

[charred otter]

How do u get that btw

[grave wagon]

You stumble upon it a few days later when you've already replaced all your gear.

[uncut bough]

but man 79 american money for a Loxer, i will mull over this

[hearty niche]

It all stems from unprocessed trauma of not being loved as a chimp.

[uncut bough]

it is simple rlly, i go in game, i check on workbench or forge, i dont remember, after i had silver, i craft bow

[charred otter]

Deleting twitter is usually a pretty good medicine 😛

[near furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDdbVYMDq30

[uncut bough]

and i go upgrade bow to level 4 and now it is super broken

[near furnace]

#DontFeedTheTroll

[grave wagon]

tl;dr it's their mother's fault

[rustic schooner]

🔼 ➡️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️

[meager fossil]

Calling people trolls these days is overly done. Ive been called troll many times because ive had criticism, or just needed to vent. Sure its not approptiate to vent, but people these days like to disregard others and label them trolls.

[charred otter]

Silver is mountain ore? it had draugr in it so I thought it's swamp

[ember panther]

Sometimes I'd just cut my losses. Only thing I can reclaim from tombsyones on my playthrough are what I had equipped anyway. Exploration takes a lot more preparation

[uncut bough]

no, it is in mountain ore

like Stone ore, or obsidian ore, or crystal ore

everything in mountain is technically ore if you mine it hard enough

[meager fossil]

In fact, i fucking hate the word troll

99% of the time, people arent trolling

[uncut bough]

found someone bullied by troll in BF

[queen wadi]

I fucking hate you buddy, shut up.

[uncut bough]

may i introduce you to parrying or atgeir

[meager fossil]

They are just venting or expressing themselves poorly

[near furnace]

⬆️ ⬅️ ➡️ ⬇️ ⬆️ ⬇️

Those who know, knows 👀

[opal prairie]

CHEATER!

[meager fossil]

@queen wadi I will brush your fucking teeth. U wod m8

[grave wagon]

I try to remember to build beds as I go on longer journeys so if I die I'm at least somewhat in the vicinity of the body.

[ember panther]

⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️⬅️➡️⬅️ 🅰️🅱️

[opal prairie]

Can you do mine as well in about 4 hours, I feel too tired to brush my own teeth today.

[rustic schooner]

dude as soon as you posted this, it unlocked Balrog on my work PC. i'm suing

[dense steppe]

know those who are over 30 years old 😸

[meager fossil]

@queen wadi yes daddy

[uncut bough]

know those who uses google to check for reference

[half dragon]

I would say that people that are "mistaken" for a troll would be better off just count that as a win and walk away with at least some pride intact.

[near furnace]

it's actually a helldivers 2 code 🤔

[meager fossil]

@queen wadi No no, dont touch me there, this is, my no no square

@near furnace Yes daddy is a stratagem?

😂👍

[near furnace]

oh yes. biggest boooom 🙂

[charred otter]

Honestly I always considered trolling as not a negative thing, like pranking some1 for fun but not to actually be rude/negative

[rustic schooner]

I was mistaken for a troll once but it's because I live under a bridge and eat only goat meat

[meager fossil]

Can i call in an ashlands content update stratagem?!

[charred otter]

For the troll that is like negative I just call it an ah*

[pliant hatch]

Did you ask for toll to pay for bridge maintenance as well?
If you didn't, you aren't a real troll.

[latent wraith]

Oh I missed the entertainment. :(

[rustic schooner]

gotta pay the troll toll to get inside this boy's soul

[near furnace]

element of suprise?

[meager fossil]

@latent wraith Ill entertain you

[dense steppe]

@near furnaceimagine what will happen here when the update comes out 😹

[meager fossil]

Dont talk to Pegster that way you little carrothumper

[rustic schooner]

only 1 question is relevant here
is you is or is you ain't got gas money???

[near furnace]

I know exactly what will happen

[latent wraith]

Oh did the entertainer bring a friend? Carry on then.

[near furnace]

now the big words are comming out

so go take a 24h rest you two @queen wadi @meager fossil

[dense steppe]

usually from a very superficial brain 😼

[near furnace]

[pliant hatch]

Lemme guess:

Lots of complains of people who think the lava's too hot as they get burned 24/7.....

[near furnace]

can I just not get some peace and quiet? 😄

[rustic schooner]

not until you get stock options

[near furnace]

oh they just straight up spawn a tombstone

[dense steppe]

Napalm usually helps with this 😹

[uncut bough]

is the new seaborne creature lava serpent?

[pliant hatch]

And there's a 2nd group that feels "forced" to move through Mistlands now, claiming the good area is behind a hated biome. And blame the dev team to have it done on purpose. 😄

[uncut bough]

and now diving into water to get meat just burns you to crisp and if you fall down the lava you are just dead, like gone, tombstone doesnt exist

[pliant hatch]

All the remains will be burned up, all gear will be burned up and smelted.
So guess where that ash comes from..... 🤔

[ember panther]

I feel we're gonna need a stronger boat

[latent wraith]

So finally a way to recycle old equipment then.

[hearty niche]

I don't think I've made enough enemies to warrant that sort of worldview. The idea of people purposely scheming to piss me off is just... silly.

[latent wraith]

Melt it in the lava -> use lave to make new stuff.

[uncut bough]

bold of u to think that your equipment will be recycled at all

[obtuse cloud]

someone just joined to vc, said n-word and left

[hearty niche]

Especially using a video game to do it. That's pretty elaborate.

[uncut bough]

you throw it down there, it is gone, fumes and stuff

even if it melts the item super fast, expect to grab that mats with your barehand

[exotic cradle]

Did you see the name? Report it in Modmail

[hearty niche]

Do you have a timestamp? They might have timestamps for VC join/leave.

[pliant hatch]

You missed all the "I hate mistlands" posts at the various Valheim discussion forums the past year?

[exotic cradle]

Hating the Mistlands is pure

[pliant hatch]

That and not willing to adapt.

[hearty niche]

If my 10ply ass can beat the Queen, they can.

[cobalt token]

Can't handle the terrain? Hmmph, skill issue

[pliant hatch]

Nope, that not willing to adapt

[hearty niche]

The strategies that work in the meadows don't work in the forest.

[exotic cradle]

Climbing is a skill, yes ^^

[hearty niche]

Some do but you have to Thorin nailed it, adapt.

[dense steppe]

I like the Mistlands 😸

[half dragon]

mountains are at the same time frustrating and fun. Fun because climbing and in general moving around the mountain is very different... but frustrating because it takes so much stamina and have to constantly take breaks to continue climbing 😂

[light moat]

Mistlands is ok, still fun but not my favorite! Ashlands though, I think that will be my favorite.

Mistlands does have a ton of cool building pieces though.

[latent wraith]

I'm looking forward to testing Mistlands.

[hearty niche]

I hate the fog, I hate the constant "What was that noise", I hate bugs, I hate arsehole little people that fire at me when I accidentally hit them in combat, I hate the terrain, I really hate gjalls.

But the Mistlands are awesome.

[half dragon]

Plains is my fav still. It looks so nice

[cobalt token]

Is mountains a popular biome on le' ol' discord?

[dense steppe]

make stops with fires, use a pickaxe to make small areas and relax 😺

[versed parcel]

Yeah I agree

[exotic cradle]

You don't always have to CLIMB though, just go around extremely spiky bits ^^ there's rarely anything great at the very top of the peaks.

[hearty niche]

There are some RAD views.

That's probably my favorite aspect of Mistlands. Truly epic scenery.

[versed parcel]

Though I kinda feel like the mistlands are like
ok it's not necessarily a con but it is definitely VERY different

[half dragon]

I made a base on top of a really tall mountain top. the view is surpeme

[versed parcel]

like compare it to something like the plains or something

[warm depot]

played valheim on hard, fought with a troll before discovering black forest

[versed parcel]

Like it has a wildly different feel compared to the rest of the biomes

[exotic cradle]

Yes, but if you go out of your way to take a pretty pic it's not the biome's fault 😄

[hearty niche]

Truth!

[lavish cargo]

Mistlands is a bit annoying because its inconvenience never dissapears.
Mountains become trivial once you have the right clothing, which you get in the mountains, or later.
The mist on the other hand is perpetually there, and even if you spam wisplights the place is so vertical, and the lights so limited that you will never have a clear line of sight anyway.

[exotic cradle]

Oh also sorry I didn't properly reply to you yesterday, I appreciated the comment ❤️

[light moat]

Mistlands is probably the most unique biome I’d say.

[half dragon]

No, obviously it's the biome's fault for looking too good! 😠 (jk)

[versed parcel]

I guess but it does have its like
nuisances

[hallow canyon]

We found the mountains very easy compared to the swamps. We did Mistlands far before we had Mistlights 🤣

[versed parcel]

nothing you can't just ball through tho

[obtuse cloud]

okay ive sent message to modmail, saying when they left and showed proof, lets hope that they have vc timestamps

[cobalt token]

Like, "the mist being annoying" isn't that kind of the point? It's an environmental hazard that must be condented with.

[obtuse cloud]

bcuz i didnt remember their nickname

[dense steppe]

Who are we looking for? is someone lost? 😸

[light moat]

You just have to approach the mist a lot differently than pretty much anything else. Swamp is a close second though- in both biomes I feel like you have to take it slow and pay close attention to your stamina.

[half dragon]

there is a serial n word user on the loose

[obtuse cloud]

Someone said n-word in vc and then left at around 15:12utc+0

[lavish cargo]

That's not really the point.
The point is that other biomes are designed to be initially challenging, but ultimately conquerable, whereas mistlands just isn't, which is a bit annoying, because that's what gives the feeling of progression.

[halcyon thistle]

does konami code work on Valheim?

[hallow canyon]

It's very conquerable. You still have the mist, but conquering it is very doable.

You can spam mistlights just as you can campfires too.

[lusty crescent]

It removes the mist confirmed working 2024(infinite money glitch)

[halcyon thistle]

forcedelete MistArea removes the mist tho

[half dragon]

I think it would be nice if you could craft a head slot item like glasses to see through the mist so you can still have your +150 weight

[lusty crescent]

Nuh uh

[pliant hatch]

You just need to adapt.

Meaning, stopping to have the light catching up on your movements and to listen to your environment.
Not wanting to go in a straight line, but following the terrain.
If you need to go up, do it at a spot you can move easily, then go to a spot where you're sure not much can attack you. Meaning only a gjall would.
When seeing Dverger, use your brains to get that item from them. For one outposts your enemies are their enemies, thus those enemies become your friends.
For the other outposts, the Dverger are your friends. So use that cannonfo allied force.

[lavish cargo]

There are two main differences. 1) If you are still spamming campfires, you haven't conquered the mountains, you have done so once you have frost resistant clothing, (in addition to the enemies not being that big a threat obviously)
2) As I wrote earlier, even wisplight spam can't give you clear sight, because the place is vertical, and lights don't reach far upwards.

You can get to a place where the Mistlands don't pose a threat to your life, but you can never make it convenient.

[ember panther]

You can mine through the rocks to make it more convenient

[pliant hatch]

Also, something I did,

Before establishing a good base there, check if there's a queen location near the coast.
The staircase to the sealed entrance has a "hidden" panel with enough room behind it for a bed, a portal and a workbench. Even a chest.

Use that area as a base, while looking for the other items needed to survive there.
If it has a strip of land, use that for farming. No need to farm both crops at once, do them at the time and you'll still get enough.
There's quite often a piece of world-tree root nearby. Use that for sap harvesting.

[light moat]

That takes a whole lot of time though, probably not the best method for navigating, but maybe I’m wrong!

[hallow canyon]

If you're high enough up, you're out of the mist.

[molten hamlet]

does anyone have an efficient progression guide or suggestions for progressing through to mistlands? i beat the game two separate times with my friend group, but both were before the mistlands update. i want to do a quicker solo playthrough, just to have and to possibly see the new content, since my group agreed we wouldnt run through again until at least ashlands update, but preferably not until the game is finished.

[hallow canyon]

Spamming campfires isn't for warmth, it's for suppressing mob spawns around your base

[light moat]

Manage your stamina very carefully, keep an eye out for blue lights, and lure enemies to Dwarves!

[paper marsh]

Campfires can be used for mountain warmth but usually better off with frost resist mead

[frigid gust]

Prioritize food, and make a Frostner.

[half dragon]

I prefer burying crafting tables to surpress spawns. also allows you to build anywhere in the base

[paper marsh]

Campfires are only really for if you make a lil mountain safe house or you wanna skip to Silver after meadows

[regal spoke]

Snail, have ya come across the 2* buddy's in the mist yet? Just curious what your approach has been on very hard.

[hearty niche]

My approach to 2 star Draugrs thus far on Very Hard has been RUN

[regal spoke]

Fair response

[lavish cargo]

If that's what you use for that then that's fine, the main points stand.

As for just staying on the high places, or flattening the area, that's not really you getting to a place where the biome isn't an issue, that's just you making a base within the biome. It doesn't help you when exploring, and more importantly, it is a limiting factor for how you construct that base, which doesn't apply to any other biome.

[paper marsh]

Hmm think I had one 2 star seeker but that’s it. Gjalls and soldiers I don’t think the stars matter too much. They’ll one shot me even without stars, but they’re also slow so easy to avoid or kite around for a kill. If I bring a Gjall to an area with better visibility and get under it it’s pretty easy to kill even with stars

Been using some ||magic|| tho bc I like the damage and range. Makes quick work of seekers and enables me to parry everything which is super nice

I parried a 2 star berserker the other day and killed him with spear before he could recover (spear causing an additional stagger from damage)

[halcyon thistle]

knives also cause additional stagger, I love them

[ember panther]

It's a one time project, the rocks break pretty easy and saves time every trip. Also acts as a safe refuge from enemies when you need to regain some health, stamina or rest

[regal spoke]

Very nice. Still in one shot territory? Not in mist gear orr?

[paper marsh]

All weapons do 😉

I believe mace secondary attack had a higher multiplier tho

[halcyon thistle]

the speed makes simply continue hitting lmb convenient for me

[paper marsh]

Yea from gjalls and soldiers I tend to be. Seekers I can tank a few hits from because pierce resist. ||Magic shield || saves me tho

I could get out of one shot territory but I like running fenris legs and at least 1 stamina and 1 eitr food

[paper marsh]

Yea I like it too. The fast attack speed helps to ensure you stagger before they recover but it can be dicey with some enemies

[half dragon]

Well this feels stupid. I've been turning flattened ground back to snow, but I constantly see behind me some weird patches of snow as if it's still not turned into snow... it's my own footsteps

[regal spoke]

I get the gear and food priority. So you're forced to adapt being squishy. A worthy trade I guess

[azure yacht]

I might need to try, I still need some silver.

Although not as much as I only need a few to max out frostner.

Which is mostly for mistlands after yag as I'm certain Krom will be more useful against him. Probably even more than silver sword

After that, I won't have much use for silver

[paper marsh]

Felt the need to run 1 hp food for tanking a single seeker hit and not dying to fall damage, but now I have feather cloak it doesn’t feel so necessary

[azure yacht]

Tho I could upgrade Krom. I had exactly the needed bronze to craft it

[paper marsh]

I’m gonna try skellies against yag. I imagine they’ll do good damage before he comes out of the ground. Even at 25 skill they do hella damage

[austere flame]

the nearest swamp is a 20-30 min journey by boat (longship) from my base. idk what to do. is it worth it to invest my time in relocating my base to be much closer?

[paper marsh]

Depends how much effort you put into your base

[austere flame]

its not too much effort. itll just be a hassle to take all the items from my chests back and forth portals

[paper marsh]

I always try and scout a swamp with a lot of crypts before setting up a fairly permanent base. Bonus points if it’s near a tall mountain. Basically no metal hauling travel time

[warm depot]

keybind to hide UI?

[regal spoke]

F3

[warm depot]

aint it chief

[regal spoke]

Ctrl-f3 ofc

I ain't your chief sir

[warm depot]

yes, ctrl F3 is not working

Ctr shift F3 damn

[half dragon]

if you have a longboat it's not too bad of an option to just fill it one time with iron and hopefully it's enough for a while

[austere flame]

true, ill probably just do that

[vocal rivet]

It's definitely just Ctrl-F3. No Shift required.

[warm depot]

Ctrl Shift F3 worked

[paper marsh]

Might depend on your keyboard

[warm depot]

msot probably

[austere flame]

do boats get slower based on the amount of items stored?

[paper marsh]

Nope :)

[warm depot]

no

[austere flame]

great

[half dragon]

nope, the only thing that goes up is risk if it sinks, but luckily longboat doesn't sink easily

[austere flame]

longship has massive storage so i guess i can just do a one-time massive haul

[regal spoke]

Bring cores and forge mats to your desired smelting op = profit

[hybrid nimbus]

hi i just redownloaded the game and when i use hammer my build selection panel is mouse3 and destroy build is mouse2 how can i fix it? (i try the setting option)

[mellow dagger]

I just found a gang war territory between small piece of plains a big swamp and meadows and what do you think? I got bitten by mosquito two times while running from them (I forgot that root armor gives pierce res) and GOD I LOVE ROOTS, yahooo

They only deal 11 damage when I have 100+ hp, yaaay

[paper marsh]

What do I think about what?

[mellow dagger]

It's a figure of speech

I was very excited to know that mosquitos became so useless despite being scary in the past :D

[half dragon]

Also me when doing a corpse run exiting my plains base:
Hears buzzing just before getting poked in the ass and die

[mellow dagger]

Get root armor too, it's amazing :3

[quartz plank]

Yeah, 3 of my friends got this issue too for some reason, while others get the usual/default keybinds. Guess ya just need manually change the keybinds... Not sure why it happened

[mellow dagger]

I also now very excited for a gang war between plains and swamp

[vocal rivet]

That would be 'and what do you know?'

[mellow dagger]

Okay

Can't wait for lox to meet abomination :p

[dense steppe]

Lox will win 😼

[paper marsh]

Ya root chest is great. So are gang wars

[ember panther]

Abominations struggle enough with trolls 😂 love forcing them to fight

[paper marsh]

Yea it’s a pretty even fight I’d say

Trolls feel overturned to me anyways

[ember panther]

Especially log troll. They move and attack pretty fast

[paper marsh]

Yea log troll just has such a wide reach

[regal spoke]

Troll is a little over tuned. Considering they can, win against big mobs in biomes after them

[warm depot]

75 angle roofs anybody??

[paper marsh]

Trolls have speed, reach, health, and damage. Too much of the good stuff

And abomination has the same except speed (which is so important), and the other stats are not that off from a troll. And that’s a biome later!

I’d also prefer a golem to a troll

[white plume]

Hi guys, is there a mod that allows me too keep loot on death? That shit's unbearable.

[half dragon]

the problem is most enemies are not able to exploit trolls weakness to pierce

[nocturne wolf]

With a world modifier you can keep equipped items, so your grave is easier to reach. You could also turn down the difficulty so you die less.

[white plume]

where can i find that world modifier?

[regal spoke]

But troll does blunt and still beats Abom. While also outclassing Golem.

[nocturne wolf]

With all the others, in the world select screen

[half dragon]

well blunt against golem is quite obvious why it's outclassing it

[regal spoke]

Not from two biomes behind

[half dragon]

mountains is barely any harder than swamps

in some ways it's even easier

[regal spoke]

I agree. But from a progression perspective it doesn't add up

[white plume]

thanks bud, saved me alot of grief

[half dragon]

seen if enemies get staggered easily by the troll?

[paper marsh]

I don’t care so much for other mobs fighting trolls more me fighting them. I’ll admit the pierce weakness takes them down quite a notch, but I still find their reach and speed a bit surprising. And find it weird abom doesn’t do much more damage than troll

[hearty niche]

On Very Hard they are so. fast.

Not lightning outpace you fast but fast enough that if you have a weapon equipped they have no problem catching up

[half dragon]

pretty sure the reason for that is the way they made armor works. If they made the damage much higher it would become too much for players to cope

[hearty niche]

I liked that feature. It's nice to be able to tweak the world difficulty to meet your preferences. I love the game but hate grindy activities like mining and wood-chopping so the resource multiplier is very favored by me.

[white plume]

i just tried it

i still lose my inventory. It only kept equipped items

[half dragon]

doesn't feel too grindy since you often only have to do that grind for a while and then change to different kind of activity

nothing like good old runscape where it's tens of hours of same simple few click activity day after day... only to change to another few click activity

[mellow dagger]

Lox won :D (with 100 hp left but won!)

[mellow dagger]

I've used trolls so much for digging and mining in early game :D

[half dragon]

I tried that for a little while... but then I realized that it's faster to just mine it yourself than having that troll mine

downs trees very efficiently tho

[halcyon blade]

I use trolls to reach the buried copper that's past where I can keep digging.

[paper marsh]

Mistlands ||Seeker Soldier|| always dissappoints me because it feels like such a weak brute enemy. But then I realize that it's the ||Gjall ||which is the brute of the biome 😅

[heady parcel]

So, if I accidentally happened to bonk a dvergr on the head while helping him with some seekers, what's the range at which all his buddies are angry with me?

[pliant hatch]

The only copper doing that would be the part that is far below waterlevel.
Anything else can be mined by you.

[paper marsh]

The entire encampent it happens at, but unlikely to aggro any other groups of dvergr

[heady parcel]

Thanks!

[azure yacht]

You haven't seen a seeker soldier running (at you)?

[paper marsh]

Yea. Really gotta take advantage of conserving stamina for when they attack

[paper marsh]

Seeker soldiers are so slow on Very Hard

[azure yacht]

You missed an /s

[paper marsh]

Like I try to lure it to a mistless area to fight it more easily and it walks at a grandmas pace to follow me

[halcyon blade]

There can be decent sized chunks buried in the ground (again beyond the dig limit) that you can't reach to mine. This generally happens near inclines, where one half is reachable but the other is not due to the height differences.

[paper marsh]

I'm not much for getting every scrap of copper. Sometimes I just dig whats revealed by terrain generation and then move on to another deposit. They're usually pretty common

[strange arrow]

30% of the node is typically unreachable

[merry pebble]

that is a big exaggeration...

its more like around 10% i would say

[paper marsh]

Depends what unreachable means. I'd say usually all / close to all of it is reachable, but you gotta dig to get most of it

[hearty niche]

I didn't get dessert as a kid if I didn't clean my plate and I feel like that unconsciously projects into my copper mining. Even if it takes 15 minutes to get that last 2 copper when I could just move on... stupid brain.

[merry pebble]

well if you mean % covered by normal terain then that on other hand would be way more than 30% 😅

[strange arrow]

no that's after excavating

[paper marsh]

That's fair

[strange arrow]

those rocks are huge and go way further into the ground than we can get to

[paper marsh]

I try to skip through copper mining as fast as possible

[hearty niche]

Oh yeah PLUS if you dig all the way down, you leave big-ass pits that your later self will forget.

It's my least favorite aspect of the game, 100%.

And I say this as a man who has spent 8+ hours pursuing and capturing a single 2-star wolf.

[merry pebble]

ususally they go a bit underground, but i really wouldnt call 30% the usuall amount

[strange arrow]

usually only need 3-4 of those, if yr lucky you get them close to each other so only making a couple big holes

[strange arrow]

if you calculate the parts per piece it does work out at that iirc

[merry pebble]

or you can look with freefly 😄

[paper marsh]

I rarely have a copper deposit that I can't dig all the way under. Maybe I'm subconsciously going for ones that are more exposed tho

[merry pebble]

ususally there are some pieces that you just dont see and cant get to, but not much of them

[paper marsh]

isn't it just one big connected rock?

if you don't break any parts of it

[merry pebble]

yeah?

[paper marsh]

So I should be able to see all parts of it if I dig all the way under it

[strange arrow]

dig limit says no

[merry pebble]

yes, but you really cant dig all the way under

[paper marsh]

My experience tends to be otherwise whenever I find a pretty exposed vein, especially if it's hanging out at the top of a hill or something

[merry pebble]

it will still be partially conected to ground thats below the dig limit

[frigid gust]

Not always, but copper nodes are so big that that is quite often the case

[merry pebble]

i posted pic of what i mean in screenshots @paper marsh

[paper marsh]

yea I'd assume it to be like that most the time, but pretty sure I've come across several that aren't like that

[frigid gust]

Unless you get lucky and they spawn at the top of a mini-hill in the Black Forest it is generally not the case

[merry pebble]

unfortunately

[paper marsh]

Yea I'd say that's how they often look if you just go for any deposit, but I don't think it proves that they are unable to spawn above dig limit

[merry pebble]

i personally never came across one, that said there could be some as pita said that could be mined compleatly but they would be really rare

[strange arrow]

silver is usually able to be fully exposed tho so the annoyance doesn't continue

[merry pebble]

yeah, silver is fun to mine 😄

[heady parcel]

Thing is they need to be connected to the ground and are mostly submerged, so it comes as a side effect that they extend down to the dig limit, since they are so large

[strange arrow]

copper on the water table is especially obnoxious

[merry pebble]

dont even start on that, hate to see those XD

[paper marsh]

Also annoying when silver extends into a big rock or is on a steep cliff

[pliant hatch]

Considering I'm able to mine about 100 - 110 copper from a single node I don't think I miss out on much.
But all in all I think I've only encountered a node with less than 100 copper once.
And with so much nodes being found in a single BF, I don't even bother mining for those last few copper if I have to get a full node anyway.

[merry pebble]

i usually clear what i can get to, and get from 100-120 copper

[heady parcel]

One or two giant holes in the ground will usually suffice...

[pliant hatch]

And unless you want a fully upgraded bronze armor, mining out two copper nodes is enough for a single player.

[paper marsh]

Yea I tend to just go for 1

[merry pebble]

if you try even one can be enough 😄

[paper marsh]

Or 3-4 without digging them out

[strange arrow]

luckily there are more sources later now as well

so when it comes to making dverger cage walls/lanterns etc, you don't have to go trekking back to the copper node grind

[merry pebble]

yeah but with later pickaxes its no longer that annoying to just go mine into BF 😄

[strange arrow]

also true

[fallen zephyr]

Hey dudes. What are we talking about?

[merry pebble]

copper

[paper marsh]

depends how far you have to transport it at that point imo

[merry pebble]

yeah

[paper marsh]

Asatru, any tips on punching drakes?

[strange arrow]

slopes and platforms

[fallen zephyr]

Copper is hands down the most laborious metal to obtain in the game.

[paper marsh]

I'd assume slopes and movement speed are key

Damage is rough tho, probably too much effort to just punch it

[merry pebble]

hole and cover it with roofs if you wanna be cheezy, otherewise find some nice hill 😄

[strange arrow]

they pause before spitting at you, that's the opportune moment if you can get level with them

[rustic compass]

my friend is using tower shield

is serpant scale one better than blackmetal tower for mistlands?

[merry pebble]

runing to them just before they shoot doesent work, before you get to them you will be shot and you loose momentum

[strange arrow]

roll at them while they spit

i've killed them with melee without taking damage, just not punching 😅

[merry pebble]

can work but manage the stamina carefully 😄

[hearty niche]

My mistlands strategy relies heavily on parrying

... but I'm looking up stats for those shields. I think the BM one is better but let's see.

[fallen zephyr]

Just one-shot them with the arbalest, like Indiana Jones against the giant, scimitar guy.

[rustic compass]

no I get how it goes but hes playing for the first time and he like big square so I just let him use it

[strange arrow]

ehm achkshually 🤓 it was a gun

[paper marsh]

pretty good moment yea. I find that right after they spit and they start flying away is very nice too. If they fly towards a mountain wall it's easy to run up it and hit them right there

[hearty niche]

I gotta get out Excel for this one. The BM tower shield has block armor 104-156 at level 1 while fully upgraded serpent is 72-108 BUT the pierce resistance influences that a lot

[rustic compass]

ye Im curious about the pierce thats why Im asking

[paper marsh]

I'd say Serpent for Mistlands, but up to preference

Depends on if you prefer blocking seekers or soldiers/gjall

I'm also assuming Normal difficulty. Difficulty affects usefulness of pierce resist so much

[rustic compass]

ye normal

[strange arrow]

tower shields are just awful anyway they'd be better switching to a round or buckler if they can parry

[rustic compass]

I KNOW but I dont have the energy to talk them out of using one

[paper marsh]

I'll say I've started to see the use for tower shields lately, people have made good arguments

Although I'll pretty much still never use one. If I'm not parrying I don't personally see the use of a shield

[strange arrow]

exactly coz if you aren't parrying yr dodging

(or just dying over and over 🙈 😅 )

and with magic you can just mostly sit back and blast away

[paper marsh]

I like using magic because it enables me to be efficient in melee combat lmao

[heady parcel]

My brother was dying a lot, I wasn't really paying attention to how he was playing until one day we were ambushed by a throng of seekers and he just stood there swinging while I was screaming "dodge way from there, doodge, doooodge!". So he died, I killed the seekers and when he was running back he asked me "what do you mean dodge?". I didn't know what to say, he's made it to Mistlands without learning there even IS such a thing as dodging in the game... But he's learned now, and isn't dying as much.

[paper marsh]

I'd have to roll around for ages against something like a fuling zerker. But with magic I can easily parry and kill them

[paper marsh]

lmao. Did they at least know how to parry? I barely did any dodging on my first playthrough as I went for parrying instead

I did manage to get to Plains on my first playthrough without building a total of like 5-10 build pieces from the hammer (granted, it was a server and my friend took care of the building)

[heady parcel]

Yeah he knows how to parry, but against 2-4 seekers that is not the best option..

[regal spoke]

I used the weave strat in combat on my first playthrough

[hearty niche]

Short answer to your question is the BM shield is going to do better against everything in the mistlands except Seekers, I think.

[rare birch]

So I just really got into mistlands. I upgraded my Cauldron. What do I need to get ready for Infested Mines? I have yet to see a Dvergr settlement either.

[rustic compass]

I mean its mostly seekers no?

or do the enhanched ones not do pierce damage I honestly forgot the name :D

[hearty niche]

The big soldier ones are blunt and slash damage with their primary attack and blunt with their big stomp thingy

[paper marsh]

Mostly, which is why I personally like pierce resist. But no, the enhanced ones (seeker soldiers) don't do pierce, just the small ones. And even the small ones do have one attack (although they don't use it that often) that does blunt damage. Probably safer to go with BM shield for all around safety

[rustic compass]

what about the queen herself?

[paper marsh]

Make sure to bring health and stamina potions and best food you can. I'd recommend 2 health foods, maybe bonemass power

No resistance mead really required in mines, but always good to have fire resist in case of Gjall when not in a mine

[paper marsh]

think like half her attacks are pierce

prob better to go blackmetal for her, but I'm not too experienced with blocking her attacks

[grave wagon]

I've been using it during my solo playthrough because my impression was that it's safer than mistiming a parry and getting bopped.

I don't like how slow it is though so I might switch off it.

[rare birch]

Maybe some ooze bombs I have heard are good for mines?

[merry pebble]

yeah, they are great

[paper marsh]

yea ooze bombs can probably easily cheese a mine. I've pretty much never used bombs tho so can't say how best to use

[latent wraith]

They're good for aoe damage, I like using them in mountain caves.

[merry pebble]

bile bombs are even stronger but more costly

[ember panther]

The bombs are great. Almost as cheesy as sledgehammers

[regal spoke]

Use what we got to deal with packs.

[rare birch]

I have not used them either. still need to get a Sap Extractor for Bile bombs

[frigid gust]

Ooze bombs do poison DoT. Since poison doesn't stack you shouldn't throw more than one until the previous one disappears, unless you're trying to cover more physical area that enemies are in.

[regal spoke]

Seems us no-map no-portal players are a slim minority. Been a challenge to find dedicated groups. Not an lfg just an observation

[frail wagon]

whats a better way to capture a serpent 1 person sailing the other harpooning or both harpooning?

[strange arrow]

unicorn spotted

[strange arrow]

1 sails until yr close to land then both can use harpoon

[frail wagon]

also of corse its a small group who wants to sail every time and not know where your going?

[paper marsh]

yea, I'd imagine it to be unpopular

[pure plume]

Give me a simple compass (maybe one that You need to craft or get from a boss) and I'm happy to play no map

[frail wagon]

having to sail to an island EVERY. SINGLE. FUCKING TIME sounds horrid

[paper marsh]

Prob easier to find people wanting to do less work with portalling metals and stuff than to find people willing to do more work

[frail wagon]

no portals is insane and adding no map on top of that?

[paper marsh]

I never woulda done no map no portals if not invited to a server with it, but it's actually pretty fun

[rustic schooner]

i’d love to do it if a mobile base were possible, like you bring your boat with you

[paper marsh]

I think I miss portals more than a map. The navigation aspect is very interesting

[frail wagon]

tbh we should be able to build on levs

[frail wagon]

just dont hit the barnacles

[rustic schooner]

even just like a small smelter or stove or whatever

[strange arrow]

lights fire on monsters back:

[frail wagon]

also: LET US TAME SERPENTS I BEG TO RIDE A SERPENT BRO

[paper marsh]

I gotta admit the overflow you have of finewood, greydward eyes, and surtling cores when playing no portals is wild

[pure plume]

Wish we could have a tent and bedroll that You craft and carry in inventory instead of building hut every time when I want to camp for the night

[frail wagon]

THINK HOW FUCKING COOL RIDING A SERPENT WOULD BE MAN

[paper marsh]

inside voices 🙏

[frigid gust]

Blue iron torches and braziers 😉

[pure plume]

Or using it to haul your ship instead of rowing xD

[frail wagon]

it would be the only water transportation that wouldent depend on wind to get anywhere

[paper marsh]

definitely love me some blue lights. Eyescream ain't bad either

[frigid gust]

Serpent riding been asked for before, but it will almost certainly not happen outside of mods 😉

[frail wagon]

NO! ME NEED SERPENT SADDLE

[frigid gust]

Again, please stop with the all caps. Yelling about it won't change anything.

[strange arrow]

drag one to yr base and keep it as a pet, no riding tho 🥲

[frigid gust]

I mean... you can, it just might be more like bull riding instead of horse riding 😛

[paper marsh]

I imagine you could cover some pretty solid distance too with mobs pushing you through the water while swimming. Especially if you pair it with stamina pots, hp pots, and a ||magic bubble||

Maybe even another person crossbowing you in the butt

[obtuse cloud]

im dead

#memes-and-clips message

[paper marsh]

You don't look dead, but maybe soon to be?

Man those guys do no damage. Bonemass feels like such a cheat 😂

[tawny ibex]

when ashlands finally drops will I need to make a new world? or does it update into your existing save if you have uncharted parts of the map?

[paper marsh]

2nd option. Your world will update any terrain you haven't discovered yet

[obtuse cloud]

ive almost escaped, my tomb is next to entrance

[paper marsh]

Did you just open all the doors to let everything out, or did they just come rushing at you when you stepped inside?

[ember panther]

That gave me second hand anxiety

[frigid gust]

Ooze bombs, and next time don't run through the whole mine making them all mad at you and dragging them into a giant ball of death 😛

[obtuse cloud]

i stepped inside, before this ive have already killed 1 2 star seeker, just went to one (was already opened) room and there was seeker soldier, another 2 star seeker and then everything just started chasing me

[obtuse cloud]

i wasnt, thats the best part XD

[ember panther]

Hopefully they aren't there waiting for you at the entrance... Normally that area is safe. Idk how the soldier got on top of the entry platform

[obtuse cloud]

2 star seeker made him there

[obtuse cloud]

only seeker soldier did but thankfully i just got my tomb and exited it

[wicked pasture]

i wish my freinds played this game, ion got no one to play with

[merry pebble]

you can look into #1024264966712340510 if someone wants to play 😄

[foggy shoal]

Have developers mentioned something about release delay? Does anyone know?
Coz the last thing that I've heard was that they are planning to release ashlands in the first half of this year

[pliant hatch]

That's what we've heard too.

So be patient for another 94 days and you'll know.

[regal spoke]

No-map no-portal to me forces a nomadic play style. I move all necessary items to the next area of progression. Essentially making a main base mobile

[foggy shoal]

why 94 btw? Isn't it 65?

[vocal rivet]

No?

April, May and June.

[pliant hatch]

1st half ends at June 30th.

30 days in June
31 days in May
30 days in April
4 days in March.

Totals 95 days.

But considering I doubt they'll release Ashlands at June 30th, I have substracted that one.
Makes 94 days.

[foggy shoal]

June will be already second half of the yaer, no?

[merry pebble]

its the sixth month...

[paper marsh]

nope. end of june is

[pliant hatch]

June is the 6th month.
And we got twelve, so you do the math,

[paper marsh]

I do love having to make bases or outposts more often, it is a real nice switchup from always portalling home

[foggy shoal]

Oh right, it just dawned on me, lol

[regal spoke]

That's the way for me as well. New base every biome. Mostly move all bench upgrade mats and anything else that can't be acquired near location. Would take a couple trips solo. But with a team of as little as 3, one trip.

[vocal rivet]

It's certainly too early to worry about any imagined delay.

[foggy shoal]

I was thinking about two month, but it's 3 so yeah, definitely XD

[vocal rivet]

I'd only get mildly concerned if it gets to June and we haven't gone to PTB, and even then it'll probably be fine.

[frail roost]

Personally I doubt they'd release in June, they'll want to have a bit of time to work out any bugs once it goes live since they'll likely go on vacation in July like they normally do

[vocal rivet]

The idea of internal and public testing is that there shouldn't be much outstanding at release.

[frail roost]

Sure, but there always is

[paper marsh]

I know they wanted to make sure there's less bugs for Ashlands than there was for Mistlands on release, but probably always best to have some time to see how things settle in and if things need to be fixed/balanced

[frail roost]

In fact Mistlands had to sit for a few weeks with a few bugs when they went on Holiday vacation

It will be much easier to enjoy their vacation if they have enough time to bugsplat before they go

[desert tangle]

question is bronze pick worth it or stick with my antler pick?

[pliant hatch]

Stick to your antler.

[merry pebble]

not really worth it, no

[pliant hatch]

You can mine copper, tin and iron with the antler pick. Only when you get to the mountains you will need a new metal one.

[rustic compass]

how long does it take for dwarves to loose aggro?
my friend is a dumbass

[pliant hatch]

Never.

[rustic compass]

oh boy

[frigid gust]

Ooze bombs and frost arrows can help with managing them, as well as Bonemass power, a root harnesk for the rogues shooting arrows, and fire resist for the fire mages.

[rustic compass]

three frost mages nuked us

[frail wagon]

do you need a copper for silver?

[pliant hatch]

That particular outpost will always remain agressive to you.

Only "solution" to that is to lure monsters to them and let them fight it out.
You kill off the stranglers and loot the remains.

Can send in your friend to reap what he sowed as well, so he'll learn not to be a dumbass next time. 😄

[frigid gust]

You need an iron pickaxe or better to mine silver

[pliant hatch]

As said above.

Can't even make a copper pickaxe. 😉

[frail wagon]

also forget czech or whatever the levithan thing is

[merry pebble]

what my country?

[pliant hatch]

Can mine the barnacles on it with an antler pickaxe as well.

[frail wagon]

yes you can mine the czech republic with an antler pick

[fair cairn]

what did i walk in on

[frail wagon]

new biome: czech republic

[rustic compass]

oh no

[paper marsh]

frost mages are quite crazy. Most dangerous of the dvergr

[ember panther]

Dverger mages are no joke. They're fairly squishy though, if you can sneak and snipe one off at a time

[frail wagon]

you CAN also try not to anger them but if your trying to get the sap extractor part that may be hard

[ember panther]

I've done a couple hit n runs but sometimes ya gotta just take em out.

[paper marsh]

there's definitely ways to cheese getting through dvergr without a fight but it takes the fun out of it

[exotic cradle]

I feel like its more fun >_>

[frail wagon]

i wish they added a serpent scale sword or serpent scale rug

[ember panther]

Lure a gjall over to them

[paper marsh]

My last crate I had a seeker fly through the window and bodyslam the ice mage standing next to it on 2nd story. Easy way to get the crate I suppose... although a bit lucky lol

[frail wagon]

i wish we had any use for serpent scales beyond the shield

[frail wagon]

seeker jumpscare

[paper marsh]

Decoration 😄

[ember panther]

Serpent scale boat

[frail wagon]

has much more hp then the longship but is decently slower

[frail wagon]

(also looks WAYY cooler)

[ember panther]

Less storage space, fire resistant..

[plush heath]

By how much does bosses HP increase in very hard mode?

[agile hearth]

[rustic compass]

okay our loot is now the property of the dwarves

[frail wagon]

we love the bee's

[merry pebble]

not sure at the moment, you can look at wiki tho

[paper marsh]

technically the hp doesn't change, but YOUR damage decreases by 30%

[frail wagon]

yeah so TECHNICLY the boss has 30% more hp

[paper marsh]

Very hard:
Player damage: 70%
Enemy damage: 200%
Enemy speed & size: 120%
Upgrade chance (more likely for mobs to have stars): 40%

[frigid gust]

Like I said earlier, ooze bombs, frost arrows, and maybe even go get some seekers or a gjall mad at you and drag it over to the Dvergr 😉 As long as they don't have stars you have a decent chance at them

[paper marsh]

No, technically boss has same hp

[rustic compass]

ye we lost back up loot as well :D

[frail wagon]

but it will take 30% longer TO beat the boss

[paper marsh]

Yes, if you don't have any tamed animals or dvergr helping

[frigid gust]

Might be time to call in the BRS then 😉

[paper marsh]

The difference between mobs getting extra hp and you doing less damage is important. Because mobs actually die faster to each other in Very Hard, just slower to you. Which is useful for inciting area fights.

Also little known fact: Because mobs get double damage, tamed animals get doubel damage too 😉

[rustic compass]

the what?

[paper marsh]

Body Recovery Squad. Think they're in #1024264966712340510

[kind pendant]

I’m probably not going to touch very hard mode for awhile lol

[forest karma]

lfg EU i am new at the game

[kind pendant]

I’m yet to find yagluth in my world right now

[plush heath]

Thank you so much

[paper marsh]

I think Hard mode is a nice challenge for those seeking it. Very Hard can make things feel quite unbalanced tho

[frigid gust]

LFG is best done in #1024264966712340510 😉

[frail wagon]

also i feel like my world gen for my world rn kind of fucking sucks

[rustic compass]

can I use another charachter of mine?

[frigid gust]

You can do that too for sure

[kind pendant]

Cool down with the profanity lol

[plush heath]

There are 5 of us and we are preparing to face The Queen in very hard mode

[frail wagon]

i hope you packed back up gear!

[paper marsh]

Good luck! If you can beat yag I bet ya can beat Queen

[kind pendant]

Wow good luck with that man

[paper marsh]

I'm closing in on Queen in Very Hard too, but should prob backtrack and take out yag first 😅

[frail wagon]

im so sad magic is only mist+

[frail wagon]

also GOD i hope we get more pyromancy in ashlands

[frail wagon]

flamethrower type staff devs i BEG

[rustic compass]

the curent flame staff is plenty strong

[frigid gust]

I would suggest making sure you make a cartography table and saving your current character's map to it so any other characters you use can read the map and not be lost 😉

[frail wagon]

yeah but who wnats ONLY fireball when you could have many fire staffs?

[frigid gust]

There will be other magic types according to some of the dev blog info. Besides... I figure everything in the fire land will likely resist fire magic in general, so it might not have much payoff

[merry pebble]

if you have suggestion for what to add in game you can put it in #suggestions 😄 maybe it will be implemented

[frail wagon]

fair but it wouldent make any sense to get any type of magic that isnt fire based from the ash lands

mabye we could get some kind of lava staff that whips a ball of lava at something dealing impact damage then dropping a puddle of lava where it landed doing burn damage if anything steps in it

[paper marsh]

I'd expect we might get some non-fire magic in Ashlands

[desert flower]

Ashmagic

the power of Soot

[frail wagon]

GAH! HAHA! now your lungs are full of ash you will die in 2 hours!

[desert flower]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-dale-gribble-pocket-sand-pocket-sand-gif-3699662

[paper marsh]

I haven't seen too much of the reveals from ashlands but I'm a bit disappointed that so far the only weapons I see ||with big elemental customizability is swords. I hope either mobs aren't too physical resistant, or other weapons get some love with elemental damage too. Granted, the axes look cool af ||

[frail wagon]

tbh if we get gauldier table lv3 the dead raiser will only get better

[paper marsh]

Already exists

But I could see it going to lvl 4

[frail wagon]

dont we only have lv2 Gal?

[paper marsh]

Nah, Hildr update gave upgrade for lvl 3. Can have 3 skeletons at once

skellies are also crazy strong on Very Hard, I can't wait to play around with them more 😄

[frail wagon]

tbh with upgrades coming to gal table dead raiser can really only get stronger

[frail wagon]

tbh i wonder if we will get a surtling summon staff

[desert flower]

only if they drop cores when i kill them

[frail wagon]

do summoned skellys drop bones and trophys?

[pure plume]

Or You will be able to summon them for the cost of the Core xD

[desert flower]

lol i don't think so

[ember panther]

Do summoned units get the same buffs as enemies?

[frigid gust]

Skeletts that you summon are very similar to Skeletons, but they are not the same

[frail wagon]

hear me out... level 4 dead raiser instead of summoning 4 skeltons summons 3 1 star skellys or 3 rancid remains

[frail wagon]

OR replaces 1 skelton with a rancid remains or 2 star skeleton

[desert flower]

Hear me out: lvl 4 dead raiser raises 1 mini Yagluth

[frail wagon]

hear me out: level 4 dead raiser summons 20 2 star skeletons

[frail wagon]

mobile skarmy

[regal spoke]

I'm just hoping a balance is found between mage and melee options. I don't want to feel gimped over a play style decision. Which is kinda the case as it stands

[frail wagon]

i pray if we get a level 4 dead raiser it isnt just a 4th skeleton and it instead upgrades the 3 skeletons

[half dragon]

unlikely

[frail wagon]

making one of them a rancid remains or giving one of them a star sounds MUCH better then just yet another skelly

[paper marsh]

Ye. Tamed mobs and summoned skellies get double damage

At max blood magic they do 300 damage per hit. With 3 skellies that’s 900 damage each time they make a hit 💀

[half dragon]

so far all of the level ups only give vert straight forward upgrades, doubt they'll make an exception for that 1 weapon

[frigid gust]

Given the way they get summoned, I think it might be difficult/impossible to make just one of them special like that. Maybe give them a star at level 4, or even just some extra health

[frail wagon]

granted the dead raiser in it self is a unique weapon

[frail wagon]

its the only weapon that dose not DIRICTLY do damage

[ember panther]

Holy crap. Skele only very hard playthrough sounds ez

[half dragon]

the point is, if each level up gives +5 damage, then it will stay that way. If each level up gives +1 skelly boi, it's almost certain that the next level up will also give +1 skelly boi

[frail wagon]

again i feel like it should stop adding skellys at some point and start replacing them with a skelly varient (rancid/starred)

[paper marsh]

Indeed, quite the powerful opportunity. I look forward to having an army of skeletons at my back while fighting Ashlands enemies. Probably bonkers damage too if I parry the enemy and let skellies go ham

Note tho that 100 blood magic takes absolutely forever to get to 🤣
I’m currently at 25 BM, which is equal to the damage at 100 BM normal mode

[half dragon]

in before all enemies just going to do blunt damage and 1 shot skellies 😂

[paper marsh]

Eh they’d prob one shot them without blunt, especially since they don’t get hp levelled up from skill. But that’s what bubbling them up is for

[frail wagon]

yeah your kinda forced to use shield with skellys or else they are gonna get bodied

[frigid gust]

Here I am totally not going to be trying to spawn skeletts onto the catapults to launch them over the walls...

[paper marsh]

Unless they’re archers at the back and you’re taking all the agro maybe. Depends on situation

I have feeling the landscape in Ashlands will be better for skelly warfare than mistlands

[agile hearth]

it's sort of impossible to find a better game than valheim

[half dragon]

for some reason every time I hear undead being launch by a catapult, I keep remembering a certain something

[frigid gust]

https://tenor.com/view/army-of-darkness-try-again-listen-ash-i-cant-hear-it-gif-16912131

[rustic compass]

is it possible for the component chest to not have the extractor?

[agile hearth]

i dont think so

for me it always dropped one

[lunar ridge]

it's a guarantee

[agile hearth]

ye

[rustic compass]

weird because I remember seeing a crate before the ice mages nuked the building