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Nice english
Swedish: #general message
Gลdne morgen
any server opend? for r2m
If you're looking for a server to join, #1024264966712340510 is the best place for that
I just got auto-timedout when sending a message in #dedicated-server
Idk if its cuz of smth in it (pastebin link, start_server.sh config, etc) or if it was bec it was mostly a repeat of a message that i deleted previously (i accidentally sent it early). sigh
It's possible it was a rogue #
Is there a way to add an exception to that rule for when the hash and space are included within a ``` code markdown block?
no
Posted in every channel except the correct one. Try looking in #dedicated-server They should be able to help you.
How arrrr we this evenn
Is anyone on
Hi ๐
Wanna help me on my server really quick
No
Ok
lol
Mornin gjall ๐
'morgenGjall๐ค
Happy international Women's day (8 March) to all the women! In this server of rocurse, but to all the other places in the world too. To female players, developers and well everywhere ๐ฅณ๐ผ๐ค๐คฉ๐. Hooray! Same foes to those feeling like wome.
There was a game I saw about 6 months ago that I can't seem to find. It looked like a 2.5D survival or rpg game and the videos were showcasing the new water and combat systems in the game. Anyone have a clue?
I literally just found it... https://youtu.be/lwJurL2-f0c
is it a ||rick roll||? ๐
Hello. The last part of a standard youtube link ("?si=" and more) is called the "source identifier". It's unnecessary, the link works fine without it and its ONLY PURPOSE is to collect user data from both the person who sends it and the person who clicks on it. I advice you to delete it. I think it's called "Sanitizing" the link.
I have been following this game for a while ๐
Yes, because yt certainly lacks any data from us considering 99.99% of us have used yt at least 100 time per day
Yeah but it's not the same giving youtube access to 90% of your data than 95% yk. Source identifiers are used to detect who we interact with. If they were unnecessary they wouldn't be there.
Is this allowed here? On Steam a Fishing game is available for free, its called Isle of Jura. The offer is valid until 9 March meaning tomorrow?
If you add it now to your collection now you get to keep it forever: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1703140/Isle_of_Jura/
youtube just wants to sell your data
just like facebook, twitter, bluesky etc etc
Yeah, that's why I delete the source identifier
Also I heard somewhere that the corporations just straight up give each other data if they're buddies.
mutual exchange
L.O.
g'day
It already is. But it is 15:00 during the day here in Northern Europe. Relatively warm this time of year, for a day or two, and sunny too. Spring is coming
Nice

I am buying a house so I'm supposed to be packing ๐ yup, closed and ready to move in!! Moving my kids into this place is gonna be awesome... So I'm having a GREAT day ๐คฉ but there are a few things on the list in Valheim to do....... one of them is improving my vineberry operation
Dang vineberry takes a lot of room
Wow congratulations and hopefully you like your new home. Takes time to settle though. For me moving to another apartment is highly stressful event and takes time... moving further away to another city is even more awful
Grats Rex!
Thank you Catnose! ๐ It has been a long time coming and it is time.
Thank you so much !
I have to move away for 2.5 weeks since there is a renovation in my bathroom. Cant like here then. This building has plenty of apartments and they renovate them, but my apartment turn is 17 March - 4 April. Gotta live elsewhere then. I dont have to fully move stuff out, just some and shield them and pack them into boxes.
And even that is stressfull for me
I bet... moving is always a stress especially if you have lived in the same location for many years (like me) you have to much stuff lol
yeh every important happening / strong emotion is stressful, be it positive or negative, you seem on the happy side of it, so merry positive stress to you and best wishes ๐
im having a issue with world sharing would anyone be able to look in the valheim help chat i have screenshots there for a more clear image of what im talking about
Thank you =+)
Morning!
Dang childhood memories.
good stuff
The Groke however. ๐ฅฒ
Trolls have similar nose as her from side profile. 
These fellas remind me of the Yip-yip's from Sesame Street
Some kids' shows were gloomy and scary in 90s.
Muumi! Or Moomin as they are called in English... right?
Mรถrkรถ! That was so scary for me as a child. I couldn't watch the episodes or read cartoon magazines about Muumis', unless my mother prewatced or preread them making sure Mรถrkรถ does not appear. I think once she forgot... or somehow I watched it and maaaaaaan that was lot of terror and tears from me and didn't finish that.
But later if I recall Mรถrkรถ is just lonely, not really that evil creature.
Anyone ever watch Courage the Cowardly Dog? The gerbil chase scene gave me nightmares lol
So lonely that she became very cold and emits the coldness around her.
Yeah I vaguely remember something like that, so the coldness he brought wasnt due to evil, but being so lonely poor fella.
I know that from later age but not from childhood since I think that wasn't shown here. ๐ค
Ah, yeah it was a common cartoon here. Lots of really strange scenes ๐
Raccoons was weirder.
plot:
Where is my deep north
top of yr map
Itโs my deep north and I need it now
What is โraccoons?โ ๐ค like a show?
Hmm very early Mรถrkรถ (sqe: Mรฅrran) had evil and beast like features. He tried to eat aunt of Hemuli (Swe: Hemulen). But that later changes.. so he becomes not so evil but lonely. So he was somewhat bad at first.
Yeah, a cartoon.
Iโll have to check it out, now Iโm curious haha
The Cold lady/Lady of Cold (aka Jรครคrouva) was much creepier than Groke though.
Gotta head to Antarctica. Or if Grรถnland is enough, ask Trump for a ride... Or if Finnish weather is enough, well, Finland is cold Deep North and there are icy water, sea and islands nearby.
Fin: Mรถrkรถ, Swe: Mรฅrran, Eng: the Groke
Ours were "educational" with a dash of violence. He-man, Thundercats, Gi-joe, Mr.Rogers, etc.
oh man those days were the bomb, TMNT, Captain N the Game Master, Captain Planet, The Legend of Zelda, Dino Riders, classix
X-Men is pinnacle 90's for me
X-men and He-Man were apparently so good they had to make even more xD
i'd love to see a new series of the Zelda cartoon, but without Link being petulant with his excuuuuuse me, princess ๐
and that's all without mentioning the ever present blue hedgehog and mustached plumber, even Castlevania got another spin
yes
I need a Spawn anime series frfr
1997 is calling. It has what you want.
I had a ton of the comics. Practiced my art skills freehanding McFarlane. I don't remember an animated series?
spawn had it's own animated tv series
Oh heh that'd do it. I was running feral by then
some of us elders remembers tho
Thanks for that
at least you got yr wish lol
how come the 80s never call you
@vivid maple So, do you like... give short people hugs and a doughnut, or are you more like a hit-person? What kind of "Take care of" are we talking about?
For real. I'm about to do all this. Lived in this crappy duplex for 10 years. Buying a house and hopefully moving in, in a few weeks
My assassination services are provided regardless of the target's height
Short people get a cup of hot chocolate and marshmallows near a fireplace and under a warm blanket
How short do they have to be? Like whatโs the cut off?
Or is it like a spectrum- the shorter you are, the more care you receive?
No care for me then 
Howโs the weather up there?
Iโm ready for my hot chocolate! โ๏ธ
Who said so?
Who says you'l remain above the limit?
Heh, i have some time before i will start growin down ๐
-# Just sit down, no one will notice xD
I'm saying I'm going to magically shrink you
Our dedicated server is open to anyone looking for a team to join we got qutie a bit of people
#1024264966712340510 ๐
Off from the kneecaps and you shrink above the limit. 
it's okay - I'm 6'2" - no one cares for me either, unless they need to reach something ๐
Oh, I actually did a reach last week. First time in ages I've been asked.
Nice ๐ I hit my head on a chandelier today xD
Tho i took the opportunity and dusted it off which my grandparents appreciated ๐
Awww, grandparents
take care of them - mine passed a few years ago, it's been tough
I try to ๐ I was there to help put new carpet in, which meant moving all the cabinets and stuff to one side of the room and then to the other before puting them in their places again
My grandfather was a science teacher, so everytime I see a cool science article, I think about sharing it with him or calling him up to talk about it. He could take the simplest things and talk about the science behind. "See that bird? It flies because Bernoulli's Principles states that the pressure difference created by the shape of the wings creates lift" or something
That's good :)
Never had that problem. ๐ 169cm things.
Well if you would be there a few years back you might have ๐ grandma used to have a little wooden dolphin hanging from that chandelier and it had these metal rods hanging from it and they would make nice clinking sounds when somebody nudged them into each other. But since almost everyone did all the time she had to put it in the kitchen door where only i nudge it by my head xD
Nuh uh you're getting shunk too
dwarfism intensifies
Will the shrinkage arrive via some sort of beam or a cake with "Eat me" written on it? ๐
You mean draugrism
I think YOU mean dvergr-ism ๐
I think you mean... nope, I got nothing
Well we are getting shrunk apparently ๐ not getting turned into "zombies"
||(At least i hope not...
)||
"Honey i shrunk the.. uhh... everyone"
You'll wake up smaller
Don't worry I only do that to fr*nch people
๐ก how about a draugr-dvergr ?
-# ๐คฃ imagine this... this... this pure horror
smol sosig? ๐ค 
Uh ?
start to run very, very, very fast
Oh you're french?
yep
Or at least I lived there for very, very, very long.
Being of any nationality is a tricky question these days.
feed the dvergers some mushrooms so they grow xD
No no, you have to pour water on things so they grow right?
rule of mario
I'm sorry for your loss ๐
What have Fr*nch people done to get their name censored?
They're just not that all-ages appropriate yk?
starting to think about soft-tissue-sausages
Guys, really? xD
Each country has flaws and advantages, I think I am not that bad : at least we are allowed to be unhappy no matter what politics do (yeah, anyone have this stereotype about french never agreeing with their government decisions ? It is true ๐คฃ)
I'm not talking politics. This is a spritual issue.
Okay, I really don't understand what is the issue but no matter, I am here in peace :)
It's just a joke dw
I don't actually have an issue with french people, it's just funny to be weird
๐ ok, I entirely agree with you
well, that almost midnight in this country where you want to shorten us all, good bye :)
No, jokes are typically funny, not xenophobic.
I get where you're coming from but don't worry, I make sure all my jokes come across as that. Tbh it's been good, they were funny to the people I told them. In the end, no french people were actually hurt.
It was a mercifully short visit. I don't expect you back.
?
I don't get what you're saying?
No, I imagine not.
Nah, you got it wrong. I'm not xenophobic, my jokes are funny jokes, I take care to check if anywone's getting hurt by them every time. I know what a hurtful joke is, I think human feelings should be above humor, and I make sure every day to check that my jokes aren't hurting anyone, and if they do I stop them. You can sleep well.
๐ค
Wow, connected a last time to check something not related but cool down guys.
Bunyboy you were on a slippery slope that true and you better avoid jokes that could be taken as serious against-the-rules statements.
Derek, everything goes well this time and messages will be soon flooded in the tchat, but thank for your awareness because you are right in the end.
Jokes, after all, are social statements that can be misinterpreted. I only do french people because I thought that was the group of people that would make it more likely to be percieved as just a joke and not an actual political statement. I would never use that joke with an actually threatened group of people (for example african people, or mexican people, or whatever other group that already has issues with xenophobia), as that would be easily confused with hate. I have been victim of these kinds of jokes and I know how powerful they are in a bad sense. I guess they could be hurtful in a public server like this, with many many people interacting who don't know me or my intentions. I'll be careful.
to many people do french jokes
So deliberately chose a country that you perceived you wouldn't get grief from. Got it. I think that's worse, honestly.
a good litmus test is the way the community is reacting, if you aren't seeing any laughing reacts, ppl probably aren't laughing
it's a.. tiresome topic to make jokes on france
landing jokes is a lot harder than a lot of ppl think
I do get many reactions that make it seem obvious that they like it, usually, like more jokes. From this information alone, however, it's impossible to disinguish between A) They know it's a silly joke or B) they also hate france, but like actually hate it. However I've gotten this from people who I know heavily dislike racism, meaning the only reason they would make another joke is if they just viewed it as absurdist humour as I do
which came first the egg or the chicken?
Idk, which?
Yagluth
Well, Haldor sells them eggs.
The egg obviously. Evolution tells us that.
either way, discrimination is rule 1 and bannable, best to avoid jokes that even come close to breaking that rule
in valheim. the chicken
hmmm
well your probably correct lol
Well, as I've just explained, I directly avoid discrimination and I can assure you, after years of struggling with being misinterpreted, I check twice every day to make sure everyone gets that I'm not trying to exclude anyone. Your worries are very much founded, but please know I'm not that kind of person. Also, I have read the rules.
does anyone have a friendly server iโm on xbox with mistland level gear just wanna chill and have some other folks to play with
I see where you're coming from, but I disagree. Jokes are best vased on nothing, I love absurdist humour.
I've always been told that good jokes are the ones even the victim can laugh about.
If they can't, they aren't jokes but insults.
And the best jokes are the ones the victims can pass on to similar people; who're able to laugh about it too.
and rule 9 is political/religious, you stated you weren't making a political joke but a spiritual one, both aren't really allowed lol, trust me i've fallen foul of the rules a few times and i'm well known around here, for someone new i'd advise extreme caution ๐
By saying "Spiritual" I meant just to add absurdism
No no ๐ Zil & Thungr
But yeah I'll be more mindful
Strongly agree. As you saw before, the "victim" (the french person who recieved the joke, vMatt) validated my joke, which I thought counted as evidence that it wasn't hurting him
I still have not turned in his head and it's been about a year now I think ๐ค Have it at my gate entrance still hehe
Becuase, of course, he was the only French person able to see your post. And just because ONE person tacitly approves of it doesn't make it right. I'd quit while you're behind, honestly.
140k community after all
But one person can't represent a whole country.
Just because he didn't feel insulted, doesn't mean other French players here weren't either.
It's something you need to keep in mind
we really don't want to stifle good humour either, but it's fine lines
I know. But I've never seen an actual french who disliked my joke, yk? As I've said before, the moment I see a person offended I'll quit.
As said in this message
That.... shouldn't be your attitude.
What should I do then? Not quit when I notice a person hurt by my words? It's important to apologize.
You should be aware that you may hurt someone before making the joke.
How did you put 2 and 2 together and get 5?
And when doing that, realize it's better to keep your clap shut, as to make the joke anyway and risk a riot.
yes
we gave the advice already, don't even get near breaking rule 1, it's like the prime directive lol
I do, and I've explained exactly how before. Can't we keep it as my previous message of "I'll be more mindful"? I think I've already said, that I am aware my actions have consecuences, and that no one was hurt this time, and that I'll be more mindful.
I think you misunderstood that one message in particular. I was asking if I should continue once and if I make someone hurt.
No-one was telling you that, or would.
the mere fact that we are discussing this and you aren't banned already is the evidence that we aren't zealots here and yr getting the benefit of the doubt already
Oh, I see the issue. I'm sorry I come across as conflictive. You see I have a severe problem, already diagnosed, of communicating badly, due to the fact that I fail to understand language past its more "literal" meaning. At no point during the discussion did I intend to imply or communicate that you are a "zealot" or that you are in the wrong. It's intended as an apology, so please, leave me be. I'm trying to say I'm sorry, and I'm trying to say that my intention isn't hurting anyone. Can't we leave it as a "sorry, I didn't mean to offend"? I need to go to bed.
I'm glad I finally managed to communicate. Goodnight, friend.
@lost surge what was that about?
what was what
Not sure he's asking us.
suspicious bot activity
im just curious
he said "DM for support"
as a reply to the long message that bunnyboi wrote
so.. probably a bot trying to catch you off guard
I think I've seen that before. I think we had that last week?
yup
multiple times
our moderators catch them almost every single time before something actually happens
but still. bots will try to take your account, send files to your friends and steal your facebook, reddit, twitter, netflix etc etc
Shutdown your Discord server...
it's fine
@slender marlin just found out what I did ๐
I fixed the timeout btw
my facourite italian friend ๐
ahah, thanksa very much ๐ค , i'm laughing very hard for my smart move
didn't catch the whole mess, liked "explaination" messages way less than actual "offensive" ones but let the chat bury it, anyway good evening gjall! how comes the chicken comes first in Valheim? where does Haldor hide those chickens??
Because Grimmcore did the chicken model before the egg model was made
ooh ok that makes sense now
ahhhh
๐ my dear Adelina and Guendalina (the only two i don't slash for meat โค๏ธ )
I just name them Henrietta and Henry. ๐
is it just the name you gave them or has some quote origin? mine comes from IT version of Abigail and Amelia from Aristocats, ok they're geese, but also one of my Eikthyr trophyes has "cow on wall" sign under it (heh, it talks)
well all my chickens get the axe from time to time... I suppose I should start naming them for good lol
you try to convey tolerance and it's somehow taken as an implication of being offended xD
uuhm yeh it's tricky, or people would assume you're totally ok with they're saying when it's not exactly like that, lots of things, but yeh, didn't see nothing "unclear" from your responses
uhm yeh i have this "mild" mercy on tames naming only the "reproducing" couple (sometimes rename them when i slash them mistakenly but no one saw, Lisa Simpsons cat(s) know smtn about that)
yeh my point was primarily the same as everyone else's, in a large community you have to consider everybody
I did manage to tame a 1 star Askvin ...through the night in a pit the other day. Her name is "Peaches"
Anyone wanna help me farm stone and progress threw the snow mountains?
yeh it's like a 140000 inhabitants town, 40000 of them are around and you hop on the main plaza for comedy, first coming from out town, there's risks and precautions
I've named my 2 star Asksvins "Rรถhky", "Rรครคhkรค" and "Rokka" (the main ones). ๐
lucky duck 2 stars!?
Very nice and cool names
uhm, trying guessing where the names come from
(i got unknowable b-movie related names for boars, deep resarch of Swedish names for berries for Lox, and Disney for hens)
Still guessing?
Disney Ducks?
ducktales?
huey dewie and louie
who are those?
the ducktales ducks
each country have their own names of them
yeh the tree disney young ducks, Meow saved me googling
mhm
Knatte, fnatte, chatte ๐
xD
Tupu, Hupu, Lupu.
it's suppose to be wordplay names ๐
and unca scrooge
he get nuked again? xD
YOooooo I remember watching this for math class cause they were gonna fire my teacher early
nnoooooooo, i knew that, sry
heck yeah xD
non-english word trap slapped him hard ๐
mama mia
how comes this is *OK ??? i'm hoffendeda ๐
ok, so still guessing btw
i blame video games, nasty things, should all be banned 
eheheh , this is very 2020's Don Chisciotte thinking of that
Don Quijote?
yeh him
fictional quotes from fictional characters don't count anyway
I'll be back
hast la vista, baby
ok, mama mia is officially international, good (a) ๐ค
and it's a song. isn't it?
By one of your lot.
indeed
Let me know when you're done guessing.
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a stage show and a movie too
ffs. I should know it by heart
I'm pretty sure you won't Finnish it. ๐
uh uh google didnt help much
it's a song by abba
this has also the correct spelling
oh yeh i was referring to Joelkki askvin names, no clue ๐ค
oh
well the names are short so probably not aviation/military at least xD
Not this time. 
yeah. I'm stumped aswell on those names
translator detected "Finnish" but then translated it almost the same
are they types of coffee?
oh
or alcoholic beverages?
Okay so: "Rรถhky" relates to the noise pigs make ("rรถh" = "oink"), "Rรครคhkรค" can be translated as "potty mouth" and "Rokka" translates as "pea soup" and is also a surname of character in the book "The Unknown Soldier" by Vรคinรถ Linna.
oh my
google translate got no clue how to handle such advance language ๐
LOL
we could have been guessing for years on that xD
ahahahah, ok , very guessable indeed
pea soup tho, pea soup, who ever names their piggy that xD
yeh it's like my boar names, phonetic renditions of b-movie film actors faking Italian dialects different from theirs, wouldn't expect anyone to guess ๐
Like I said, it can also be a surname. ๐
the're not even piggies!!
Oh, and "Rรครคhkรค" is also Randall Boggs from Monsters, Inc.
Asksvin translates as ash pig/svine in Swedish tho. ๐
oh yeh right it's like ash-hogs i forgot, because they're clearly big Necks! eheheh
They look like big bro necks but are called svines. 
i was really hoping for something funny and relatable, even if obscure like vincy's B-movie guys xD
heh, too obscure, no Bud Spencer Stuff
but in the new playtrough i obviously named all of them after beam/pole build pieces
nice
i generally don't give the tames names at all, but i might make exception for the ||๐ฆญ 's||
and that's generally bcoz i tend to overbreed them all and giving them all names would just become a chore xD
yea. ash pig basicly
I name only the ones that give birth to offsprings that I slay for mats.
wolf 1204298434893958743 reporting for guard doggy duty xD
honestly i get this as well, but for me those are the ones that die the most in my experience, due to one reason or another, and losing fred for 18th time would get me annoyed too xD
i think i'll name a few in my non hostile world (now that we actually have those), wouldn't have the patience in survival
yeh it depends, i use the non hostile world just as notebook/training ground for building (very messy/random), then it depends, in a world i named just the breeding couples, in another just the ones that clipped out of enclosure at birth, not knowing if i'll catch them again wandering around ๐
eheh yeh like a recognition for managing to be free boars despite the breeder's efforts
Lonewolf xD
Heck yeah, got my first irons, so battleaxe time! 
Never got into 2h axes, looking definitely badass but yet to be properly explored
(Note, it's my 2h weapon challenge world now)
They are really good when you get a hang on them!
Only 2 downsides: the lack of them in late game and the hefty movement speed penalty compared to some other 2h weapon types. 
eheh, ok i remembered the bow challenged finished but no further updates
Yeah, I got that quite finished. ๐
I looked up /stats with that character, over 19k arrows was shot during the run. 
eheh yeh i can imagine
uuh right, jotun bane is one handed, had to look up for it (totally skipped that and krom for now)
Yeh, Jotun Bane would look cooler as battleaxe IMO, also the poison makes it less effective sadly.
Really hope 1.0 addresses poison
ofc atgeir is ez street if you want 2 hander challenge
uh, we'll see, lots of weapon classes to be explored further before that ๐well it was a tiring fight with auto mods, need rest eheheh . Seal Gjall Morgen gn! ๐ค
Stagbreaker was my first 2h weapon, plus I've allowed spear as thrown weapon for ranged.
stagbreaker is insanely good in early game
ig you could use bow as well
I know, but I disallow bows in this challenge run.
you could argue xbow can be fired 1 handed, if you used a static object to rest it and fire it off, loading would need 2 tho
academic if you aren't allowing bows anyway tho
Crossbows are quite huge in this game tho. 
I think about them still if I allow them later.
never actually used it
New to this game I have no idea what to do any advice lmao
Thereโs no flat ground to build a hut is there a shovel I donโt know about?
Listen to the bird, pick up everything, take your time.
there is a hoe that will flatten ground
10-4 Iโll look for the bird I keep getting killed by boars
When I do I unlock that I got a bed bench just now struggling with crafting a shelter
but the build system is pretty open, you can make a build work on uneven ground to begin with
I think itโs just an adjustment period
Iโm used to being able to pound dirt and be good to go
you should just need stone and wood to unlock it iirc
beating the first boss will give you access to the pick as well
Iโll watch some YouTube
so i've been building a castle, and im looking to find people to help build. It's been a LONG while since I've played with people and i noticed in the LFG chat there is a tag for moded and non-moded, but in game gives you the options now to pick things that used to be mods, like transport anything through portals... is that still considered a mod?
An ingame feature is not a mod, no.
modded requires for actual file installations
happy international womans days to all of you beautiful queens
Was the "density" of fish schools/groups changed around cove/coastal/river mouth areas and nothing mentioned ?
.
Before this latest patch they were everywhere now I just did a complete circuit of my entire starting island which took about an hour of real time sneaking and only saw 2 fish off a deep coast protrusion in that entire outing...
In the latest patch? I don't believe anything was changed in that regards.
Yeah I did not see anything regarding it either as I figured that would be an odd thing to change...shrugs
.
I swear though they are almost non-existent in the proportions they were previously...
Nothing was mentioned but, this isn't the first mention of seemingly lowered spawn rates. It is curious, but could be a false positive.
In regards to it either being a figment of my imagination, hopefully...I really hope they did not change this because the fish that wash up are a staple of my food source as I tend to range far and wide exploring and running into the occasional fish tends to pile up and becomes a very decent food source for my playstyle ๐
'morgenGjall๐ค
can someone help me with world keys
Man, 5Gb/s internet is great
What are world keys
hi, i'm afraid i don't, not my cup of tea, all i know there's a official wiki page that lists them https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Global_Keys, for more in depth tips wait for others more experienced lads, or maybe ask in https://discord.com/channels/391142601740517377/1202320491377856512
oh ok you did
its just a simple question
if i use devcommands and do setkey staminarate 0
how do i get my normal staminarate back
1?
is 1 the original?
I dunno, sometimes for other commands it is
oh i think i found it, original shopuld be 100 (i assume is based on percentage)
nah i figured it out its just a command resetworldkeys
Yeah google says 100
yeah it looks aroiund the same as worldreset
They open World Locks, duh :Hehe:
oh i thought it was a little nice archipelago in the south of the 10th world ๐
Idk im half awake
Going to sleep, or waking up?
Waking up insiiiidee
Morgen Gjall 
Lol. Itโs late here

Those aren't intentional and is why we do PTB to hopefully catch things that changes that is'nt something we want to change
Mornings. ๐
im offended that noone wave reacted to my SCREECH
I wanted to screech back but I have no Nitro. ๐
ur 4given
same, i went back to ๐ฆ after free nitro week ended
Mornin gjall ๐
asatru is ma boiiiiiii
Ehm... Definetly didnt miss the screaming deer the first time i looked here... And surely i didnt add a reaction only after i saw you being offended... Definetly not me...
xD
Morgen Gjall
L.O.
Now I could screech back at ya.
Hmm?
me and my friend are playing and the second boss is across the sea
quite normal
That is not that rare really ๐ค
and we trying to boat there but theres a giant island that we have to go around and its taking forever
Are you using karve or raft?
karve
It shouldnt be that bad then ๐
g'morning
Yeah, sadly if everyone could use gifs it would be spammed to hell here ๐
fair
weve explored more of the sea getting to the boss than we have the black forest
and we have explored alot of the black forest
You could also run on land if the island was directly in the way ๐ค but there would be a risk of other biomes that you are not supposed to be in yet on the way
Good morning
you work as a kindergarden teacher btw? ๐ค
we were trying to get there and the second we slightly went into the mountain we both got one shot by a wolf and spent too long getting our loot back
Valheim's Neck was accused of jaywalking and littering. In the trial, he pleaded "Your honor, fuck you, I'm evil" and was found guilty of all charges
Why would I?
your name duh
your username
what does the pot map icon mean
No I'm just affectionate
you should go there ๐
You found a new trader ๐
is it dangerous
yes
yes
Its in the next biome you should go after black forest ๐
reeee stop
i dont know who to trust
Yeah could have said it like smiffe, wasnt thinking too much ๐
ta we still need to defeat the elder
You should ๐ but with the gear you have to defeat him you should be able to survive that next biome pretty well
omg stop
Shuut donโt spoil
Remove this
why are yall spoiling randomly let the boi go there
spoiler: ||the game gets harder as you progress||
bro already found that out with wolves
Spoiler: ||the game continues after it starts||
FLEE THE CHAT
i dont want to go into another biome get one tapped and lose all our loot
that's not fun
What gear u got?
Spoiler: "An automotive aerodynamic device whose intended design function is to 'spoil' unfavorable air movement across the body of a vehicle in motion, usually manifested as lift, turbulence, or drag."
you googled that didn't you
looks like he asked some AI for help ๐ค
Noooooooooo...
-# ofc i did xD
my duo has bronze armour plus sword and skeleton shield
imagine Asatru saying "unfavorable" unironically
i hade troll armour 2nd bow flint and stone arour
Go to that place when you will feel safe enough to go. Just know that beating a boss doesnโt makes you stronger (except for boss power) so if you feel powerful enough to beat Elder then you can at least try to entre the new biome
fire not stone
That's fine for the challenge but not the best, if you want to go be careful.
arrow not arour
What an unfavourable thing to say about me ๐ฆ ||(jk ofcourse xD)||
Imagine saying something unironically
Imagine dragons
imagine all the people
imagine not noticing something glaring
Imagine a trolley goes down a track, there's 5 people tied to the track. You have access...
Uh, a renaming-spirit crossed the path of buniboy ?
Idk
Well we call him Smiffe but renaming spirit works too i guess ๐
you're a great catch ๐
Why did you take my name smh you're not a fae
I totally blame Discord for not enforcing my set rules ๐ค
Wouldnt rule out that but no deal was done afaik
Pro tip: switching to your backup pickaxe is faster than going home to repair your main one
you think i started out as TheMeowMechanicGeneral? xD
I genuinely don't even remember
Pro tip: press "Crouch" to crouch
You and your mate have enough power to escape the biome in case of problems. Goes inside carefully and know the path to go if you need to fly. Your mate will have enough armor to give you the time to escape trouble and then helping him by shooting arrows while he run.
oof
don't blame me ๐คท
I'd never โค๏ธ
pro-top #2.
you can repair the antler pickaxe at a normal workbench, but the bronze one requires a forge ๐
hello
Hello
Greetings
good mornin'
help me Obi-ron kenobi, yr my only hope
I started with just ๐ธ in my name by default as always then this time last year SMIFFE put it on EVERYONE
Can you give me my name back pretty please ๐ฅบ
infectious flower control doesn't exist on Discord
that is your name tho ๐ค
I have many names
y can enemies spawn during boss fights
game is about preparing well for each challenge faced, that's just one such example
gooooood morning
I just offer short people a checkpoint and a hot chocolate
With Valheim it is more โpreparing for the challenge you want to faceโ, once you know the game a bit
ye i always say it's fairly easy to survive, but difficult to thrive
and many players go after armor before food, thinking that is the way to be better protected faster
we had the 3 meats
that's fine for the meadows, but as you progress you'll want to get more complex recipes made up, and start farming crops asap
aight thanks
Once bronze age, navigate to find a very small plain island and full cover it with workbenches... you have your farmland ๐
Just people who are short
then that dad joke flies above me
The fact Valheim wiki uses poor grammar irks me, but do I really want to overhaul all the articles to a more professional standard, just for the other users to make the same mistakes over and over afterwards
You might want to ask Derek about it.
Feel free to tell us what's actually wrong and we'll fix it.
Or, join the editing team.
Could you explain where the poor grammar is?
Well, just about everywhere where the pages have the word โyouโ written on them
A wikis text style ought to be passive
The word "you" pronoun can be used as "anyone" in some contexts.
But the word โplayerโ should be used instead
Oh, so it's not actually bad grammar, just a personal gripe. For a moment I thought I was going to have to do some work.
Itโs more than just a personal gripe
It really is.
Wikitext is dictionary text, not a blog
Feel free to go and make it better as long as it follows the manual of style ๐ (However this is really weird issue to have imo)
It really is. I thought something was genuinely wrong for a moment.
There genuinely is
Then go and fix it ๐ wiki is done by volunteers, but please dont stop halfway the 1060 pages
Now, that would be a grammar error.
Because it would have been typed as "the player".
Also, I don't see the problem with "you" being used to describe things.
I mean, for a lot of players the avatar feels like being them. So with that in mind, when being told they have to slay the forsaken, for most of the players it'll be like "I have to kill the forsaken." No-one will be like: "Oh, the player needs to kill the forsaken",
Translate that to the Wiki and it'll become"You have to kill the forsaken."
Which can be read as: "You, the player, has to kill the forsaken."
So if you complain about grammar, at least reply with the right prefixes. And not a partial one when you complain that one isn't ok.
I see the standard reaction of the internet has been deployed.
Come to think of it, perhaps "you" should be replaced by the more polite "Thy"
#fanart message That one was quite unexpected.
Blob killin it again. That's awesome
Your last sentence starts with and then uses partially. I think partial would be better here.
Btw its a multiplayer game with players
But pedantry has its time and place, and it is not here.
(Itโs in the wiki)
Oi. Me foreigner, me not know good English. So me sometimes make mistakes.
Again, go for it and fix it ๐
Me a USA citizen, makes mistakes with English all the time. But the partially in that sentence made my brain twitch. I hate grammar Nazis. So I do feel gross for the "actually ๐ค". Where I put my bleach at!?
There, fixed it. Happy now? ๐
well.. many people write the wiki are Europeans
and we learn British english here
so ๐คท
Hello, fellow vikings
We did too ๐
US learns british english?
I mean it was the dominant source when owned by the Brits right. So foundationally the US learned British English.
do you say street or road?
Both
Again both but needs context. I know in the UK the footpath beside a road is pavement
Lol ok that one you got me.
Trunk or boot
ye
Which is?
Yet they make me use US spelling like 'armor'.
And center ๐
Ugh.
Oh the wiki makes you. Ufdha. I get it. Uniformity
With a dozen or more editors we kinda need it.
Agreed. A convention is necessary. Armor and armour are both accepted. But let's pick one for consistency
That and it's the one used ingame.
Fair play
I probably should have been less short with them but, grr.
So its the devs who are making you use armor instead of armour xD
yes
Mincing words is just beating around the bush. Not really your style from what I gather.
You're not wrong.
If it's accurate and efficient, send it lol
Armor
Armour
Lamour
๐ค
Yeah! So far spawns seems normal for me, I wonder how many cases there are of people feeling this way.
only seen you talking about it
The original message was in response to someone speaking to lowered fish rates, and someone mentioned seeing no mobs other than deer in the meadows just recently.
Perhaps Armor is a retreat from the old French or Anglo-norman root words.
center US, centre UK
but how is this even contentious, both US and UK English are accepted as broader English
Aliminium
and "you" is the person reading the wiki is it not? xD
Not contentious. Just settling on a standard for uniformity
i wouldn't even try xD
I didn't know UK used centre. Thanks for that
I get my armor from my armoire
i get my armour from my wardrobe
So Armoury?
Armory? Armoury? ๐ค
dropping the u is an Americanism, very common
Less French if anything
Im all for uniform consistency. More productive and efficient. Should we consider this for global distribution of English. Would make it easier to learn
every spellchecker hates the u, that's why i don't even bother with it most of the time now xD
yo are wroung?
it goes back to Shakespeare but even the "Queen's English" or "King's English" doesn't reflect a lot of that nowdays either
like thou thy etc, all dropped in favoUr of modern English
NFPA NEC 70 uses things like shall. Shalt
Shalt? Never seen that lol
I'll have to check that next time I'm working lol
Not in the NEC. It was dropped as a reference to old words. Shall, shalt, thou*, thy,
@frosty walrus you are insane wtf that's gorgeous
Anyone has experience with Abiotic Factor? Seems like a fun survival game with very different surroundings than most ones.
never heard about it ๐ค
I prefer it most times
It's not really a preference though, they're right in different contexts.
Me neither until it appeared at my recommend list. Similarities with Valheim and Terraria.
I blame internet and TV for most of us having conflicting "english"
The differences were set in stone centuries ago.
But not books? I learned more about words, spelling, and grammar from books and reading than I ever did from internet and TV. Especially the Internet was very limited in my formative years. Sometimes we got to connect to dial-up and print stuff off
if you see "Armor" more than reading "armour" ๐ค

Usually most people don't read books in their non-native language ๐ค
I mean, I wouldn't say that "armour" instead of "armor" is a different language? Unless I'm missing some context here
Armor is american english
Armour is brittish english
And if your native isnt english you will rarely read whole books in english ๐ (tho i know some people who do tbf)
I mean, sure - but that's not really the difference such as between English and German, or French and Spanish.
id rather read english than my own cringy language anyday
the whole thing is what some people prefear
I can put up with mine pretty well ๐ i am used to it, when i read books in english its mostly because i couldnt find them in czech or i want the original form without possible minor alterations made during translation.
same
i dont read so idk ๐ฅฒ
svenska
It really depends what to read, some translations can be clunky in my native, but some are good.
I read things in English and watched series without subtitles when I prepared myself into matricular examination of English in high school.
Oh when i watch stuff i usually prefer the language it was filmed in. With english subtitles if availible even if the show or something is already in english
I guess I'm lucky in that regard - English is my native language, so many media is available in it
Preparing for speaking part in the examination was harder though... My pronunciation back then sounded like speaking with potato in mouth. ๐ฅฒ
and here I thought you where Finnish ๐ค
That was during high school. I am more comfortable with speaking English nowadays.
I speak more english in an average day than my own lingo
same same
But don't ask about my Swedish. ๐
Smiffe is fluent in Svenglish
one of these days i'm gonna stop being lazy and spell propa here
Just a fun fact: Swedish is actually second native language in Finland, so it is taught in schools. Even when most people here don't use it afterwards.
fun fact: pupu
poopoo?
no smh
You pupu head.
||Jk no offence.
||
I just passed 831 days in my world (my longest time in any world). But just about 1/4 of how many days you have passed Sam, lol.
idk what a "pupu" is
I assume a rabbit ๐
Bunny in Finnish.
Oooh. I don't speak Finnish
sopo
Right, "sรถpรถ".
||Just copy paste "รถ"
||
sรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถpรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถรถleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
likte that?
english only pls
Kinda exaggerated I would say. ๐
So, I'm supposed to get a job offer tomorrow ๐ค
if I get it, yes. Hopefully ~57% pay increase, right as I'm buying a house
Right? I'm a bit anxious and excited
hope the job is fun and enjoyable also ๐
I hope so! It is 100% remote though, which means more time to enjoy my new house :)
Nice. Is this your primary job? Companies have certainly been a lot more amenable to that sort of things lately, which is nice. ATM, I'm 90% remote, I go into the office once a week
Yeah, it's definitely tough in a different way. When I worked in the office, I was using the onsite gym a few times a day. It's tough to stay in shape when you sit at a desk at home all day :sadkitty:
my top tip
I had a treadmill, but this place I live in now, sucks. The only place to put it was the uninsulated garage, that wasn't attached to the house... and then it broke on me, and I couldn't figure out how to fix it. Ended up giving it to a friend for the scrap
new house will have more room, I'll buy a new treadmill
I can get one from work, but I'm using a nice L-Shaped desk atm, work setup on one side, gaming PC on the other. Would have to figure out how/where to fit a standing desk into that
but it's a good idea :)
oooh. Link?
um. swedish brand so ๐ค
I've had the same desk for like, 13 years - couldn't hurt to look at some upgrades
That's a bit nicer
I use dual monitors on both, so needs to be a bit long
but the office isn't terribly large
yeah, I hate using third-party hosts
I just host my own, but it's offline until after I move, need to fix my NAS
Anyway, this is the space I have to work with
Yeah, it's labeled bedroom, but it's only going to be used as an office
So, I got Return to Moria, but I think Iโm gonna refund it
oh?
how come?
I got it my wishlist, but I can never pull the trigger on getting it
If you wait for long enough it will probably turn up free somewhere, if you buy it the free version will come even faster, i bought it in autumn and week later it was free on epic xD
I donโt think I can enjoy something attached to LoTR
I got it, haven't played it much. Might now that they are improving their dedicated and self-hosted servers
It is fine, played it with friends and had quite a bit of fun, but mostly since we had fun between us more than the game itself. Nothing really wrong with it tho ๐
"Pupu" is like "a bunny", a cute name for "a rabbit"
Usually "pupu" refers yo a domesticated pet
meaning pet rabbit
Hmm I wonder if Google albums can be used like that. If you have Gmail, and then maybe Android phone like I do, and then pay for the video and image storage space anyway, when that free 15 Gb runs out
Iโll stick with Valheim
And what's wrong with LoTR?
It's one of, if not the, best film series to ever exist (I totally haven't binged the special extended versions in one sitting several times). And the books are fantastic.
And Tolkien fought in the battle of the Somme, which actually heavily influenced his writing
Fun fact: Gandalf's "You shall not pass" / "you cannot pass" was inspired by a quote from a french officer in ww1 that translates to "they shall not pass"
But I am really curious what the issue is with LoTR
This conversation will never end. Its an opinion. Maybe some one doesnt like it at all or any version, some like, parts of it, some like the books only, or some like the movies
I just have no idea why there's a problem with it, and genuinely want to know why there is one. But I digress. I need to hit the bed, got work tomorrow
I'm also curious as to why you have some sort of negative stigma attached to LoTR -- enough to discourage you to even consume tangentially related media.
Like, there have been some awful adaptations made after the original universally lauded trilogy, but I'm not sure how those would affect someone's decisions on a fundamental level... Or perhaps it was something else? I'm not a fan of Tolkien's music/songs in his books -- its awful, but again -- quite a trivial matter in the grand scheme of things
I was about to give you a huge list of alternatives until I noticed you said "film" ๐ (and discord chose the wrong messages to reply to smh)
There are so many great universes and series to contend with in literature, but far fewer in film. There's many in film I love, but none come to mind as "better" or really even competing. LOTR was pretty well done at how they translated paper to film. I just wish more were that awesome.
You wouldnโt understand
lol I know what it is.
I mean, anytime you reply "you wouldn't understand" in lieue of an actual explanation, that's almost guaranteed
thats... literally why I asked
Now I'm curious.
without an explanation, I think its likely this is just bait
Of course it's bait, but they haven't even put anything on the hook.
Try us.
What's bait?
smiffe needs to take away a crown from an amateur
Huh, didn't know you were so upset with me.
I was just asking what the bait was.
Mornin gjall ๐
That thing is reaching new levels as the time passes. 
Morgen gjall
Meowning โค๏ธ๐โค๏ธ
Agreed.
LOTR and itโs extended universe is quite amazing
The fall of gondolin for example is a magnificent story that I would love to see in a good movie
Or video game ๐คฉ
"You had an opinion." raid
Final boss: Youโve been cancelled ๐
I haven't seen lotr don't @ me
@@@@@@@@ ๐คญ
How??
some people haven't seen starwars nor startrek either ๐ฆ
Those are more understandable examples thought.
is it? ๐ค
I know more people who are into fantasy genre rather than sci-fi (even thought Star Wars isn't really as sci-fi as Star Trek).
like this:

Morgen gjall.
Personally it's like 50/50. with alot of people being into both genres ๐
L.O.
i'm into neither
I know many more people who haven't seen Star Wars or Star Trek than people who haven't seen LotR. And most people's reaction to someone who hasn't seen LotR is even more dramatic than mine was. ๐
ok maybe i need to yell

genuinely tho the lotr people take serious offense if you haven't seen their fav movie or read their fav book it's a bit silly
I know more people who seen harry potter than LotR ๐ค
I mean, I'm not a fanatic fan but was genuinely curious.
Well, they took us to the cinema when it released, it didn't really get my attention, I don't remember much of it. Then just never had the urge to rewatch it, and now it's so exposed on the internet that I feel like I don't even need to ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Plus I don't really watch many movies in general, not my thing I guess
Fair, thanks for your insight Sam. ๐ซถ
I have been pestered by some hc fans of Harry Potter for not seeing any of them. ๐
I watched HP as an adult, didn't interest me as a kid even thought everyone was obsessed xd
the CGI doesn't hold up much ๐ฅฒ
Kinda same as a kid, but haven't watched them as an adult yet.
Had one classmate who was obsessed with HP movies and books. Back then it was seen more as girls' thing. I was more into Star Wars then and got some of my friends into them too.
๐ง plotholes
Yeah I had a friend OBSESSED with Daniel, her entire room was just posters of him, it was kinda even off-putting in a way
That girl in my class who was obsessed talked almost all time of the HP. Like there wasn't anything else in her life than that.
Lol
Star Wars is more action based - Star Trek is a soap opera in space
DS9 is my favourite ๐คฉ
never seen DS9 ๐
seems more like a sitcom
and some other series aired at the same time that was very simular ๐ค
Galaxy Quest all day
that's a movie tho
Did I miss the TV question somewhere?
Yeah we were just comparing sci-fi stuff
DS9 is a series so galaxy quest is a valid addition
I just loved how well they did the character development ๐คฉ
I am a sucker for such things
If you like Star Trek or Star Wars, Galaxy Quest is amazing imo
Never heard of this one till now actually
Queue me making notes to watch it later ๐
Oh wow, glad I mentioned it, you're going to have a good time I am sure ๐
Alan Rickman was great in that movie.
But then, he was great in all his movies.
The ones I've seen, anyway.
Honestly canโt think of one he wasnโt yeah ๐คฉ
he was hot asf
Alan Rickman is the best in every movie / tv-series he is in ๐
Finally! Draugr elite trophy gained. Now just need to find Haldor so I could craft iron sledge.
Took quite long this time to get the trophy.
\o/ congrats
Sometimes they are very evasive. And getting everything again in new run can be... troubling. ๐
I don't think I've ever made an iron sledge
It will be quite mandatory to me in this run. I am not allowed to use 1h weapons so I must use the sledge against Bonemass.
Ooh gl!
the milk will spoil?
Yeah :'(
I mean...
I've been walking outside with shorts for almost 2 weeks now ๐ค
15c + and then warm sunrays help alot
Not good for my kind of people!
I already miss the cold.
I heard antartica was looking for programmers ๐ค
My ideal temp is close to 0, that's perfect.
wow
Gotta pay for 0ยฐ
are you an actual fridge
Born to 20ยฐ, forced to 50ยฐ
are those american numbers
It would be a lot easier if people just put "C" or "F" behind their temperature mentions. Saves all of us for some weird conclusions.
Or use "Kelvin" if you think that's appropriate.
Don't skull react Blues, Thorin is right. For me what you posted is insane, 50 is like....hell
Well, you can rule out Kelvin since there's a degrees
50C would be a common temperature in North-Africa, the Middle East and the Kali-hari desert. Or Death Valley.
We got 48C here last summer, was ok.
30c+ is where I die.
What are those, Coulomb's?
I can't tell without the degrees
I'm making conclusions
๐ฅฑ
Feels like someone's trying to hit the -10ยฐN scale. (N = nitpicking)
Aye, considering the first message was a joke that could be ยฐF, ยฐC, or anything really 
Born for X temperature, forced to X temperature
So the real nitwitpick would be ๐ฅ
everyone else uses C or F just to avoid confusion ๐
Almost disastrous moment if you ask me
10 Kelvin. ๐
or just wait I said. 14 C outside if warm enough for shorts
poor atoms
Can't be with degrees
Disastrous as in
"Dear God what can we do, we can't tell"
It's a chatroom who cares
14 F is cold, 14C is warm enough
See my message as celcius, fahrenheit, idm
๐คท
Right you are!
what are you doing up so early mate? ๐
my movie preferences triggered him from slumber
Daylight ||wasting|| saving time. It feels like 4. And on top of that, I slept like ass
DST is the only change in time that will give you a jetlag without having travelled.
(and that's my "philosophical quote" of the day for today)
aint that the truth
Hm.. I keep forgetting
US have it now, and we have DST in 2 weeks?
aaah yea
sunday 30th
Its morning.
Gross.
But today is a great Monday
An argument for Mondays? ๐ ๐ค
Im intrigued.
'morgenGjall๐ค
Then Im glad its turned out that way for ya ๐
โ๏ธ
The only good thing about Mondays is that it's 5 days away from the weekend.
But perhaps I'm biased, as I think that 2 days is far to few for a weekend.
ok time to animate too

btw can I suggest you make them into loops โค๏ธ maybe stay on the last frame a bit then loop back
and
are loops
morgen gjall isnt ๐ฆ

Well, technically it Is less than a day from weekend ๐ the problem is that it Is the previous one
nvm i gave up already
g'morning
nice day for fishing?
guh huh
ye rust sucks guys, valheim is life
Why not refund?
and the valheim server is a good place for this deal because?
It's against Steam TOS to buy/sell accounts and if someone reports you the account will be disabled immediately.
Ye thats discord bro not steam
Both.
who cares bro everyone buys games from pirat sites
Speak for your self, thief.
bro aint no way you are talking
Speak for yourself, bro


Automod beat me to any action lmao
mhm
well. ticket-making time?
Aye, made one in our super-duper-secret-trouble-tracker channel
That profile description is sinister omg
People think its funny but its not funny
Just need Smiffychan to post his woosh wand emoji
Imagine admitting you potentially bought valheim second hand through means against ToS
The reason I reacted with " ๐คฃ " was because the scam was so obvious, even a blind person would've been able to see through it.
ah heck was it, i just paypaled him
Or "Yeet" kick gif.
Nothing quite like a morning hammer swing 
I always check the profile of persons having that kind of "offer".
Seeing the person had a steam account since 2021 with lots of games on it, checking out that account and not seeing Rust on it......
The only thing louder than the alarm bells I heard is Whitney Housting screaming she will always love you.
misread as hamster and was severely confused for a moment
PFFFT
But yeah, lets just say he said a bad no-no word, and was slapped by automod.
Then I finished the job
you woke up spicy today Hyperchan
A finished job is a happy customer
Long live :Kvastur:!
The Broom that sweeps scammers, spammers and monsters away!
(why don't we have that emoji yet? ๐โโ๏ธ )
Because we got these.

No spears?
you can buy valheim through other places tho
I never disputed that ๐ค
They might not have purchased Valheim themselves is all I was referring to. Not against any rules, just not a good look either.
