networking

[past inlet]

Howdy I've had the issue of my steam not using much of my internet so the downloads dont take 3 hours it usually sits around 60-80 Mbps when I should be gettinng 200-300+ Mbps

[opal pagoda]

Try changing steam download region

[left oriole]

https://youtu.be/UyczOQTx5Gg?si=xDap3TIbOr3kzAks

[mortal stratus]

I have a ubiquity network at home with a couple of wired APs. I'm looking to possibly add a couple of mesh APs in a couple areas to fill in a couple of shadows, and possibly extend wireless out to a detached garage. (probably 20ft from the house but both APs are on the opposite side from the garage).

my two current APs are a U6-lite and a U6+.

should I just look at getting a U6 extender and plug it in on the wall closest to the garage and see if that helps to extend the signal out that side of the house?

[rich ruin]

Unifi thinks my Windows 11 PC is a Lenovo ThinkSystem SE350 Edge Server, every other device connected to my network is what it should be. Did I get hacked or something?

[silent flax]

what does it base the detection on ?

[carmine roost]

Any recommendations for an affordable 10Gb/s switch? I'm gonna bite the bullet at grab Beanfield's 8gb/s syncronous Black Friday deal. $60/month is pretty reasonable.

[silent flax]

i mean it could be deciding based on MAC address, but that would only tell it it's Lenovo (based on first 3 parts of the MAC address). Don't think there is a way to directly detect a system more detailed than that

[rich ruin]

what do you mean by detection?

[silent flax]

where does it say that for you ?

[topaz patrol]

Report as incorrect, move on with life

[rich ruin]

This is the first time it showed up as something else

[topaz patrol]

UBNT is just guessing based on MAC address and user feedback

[silent flax]

that looks like device fingerprinting, which is based on MAC address, so your system is probably Lenovo, or your random MAC address fell into the Lenovo reserved area

[rich ruin]

My device is definitely not Lenovo

[silent flax]

you can even edit that if you wish it seems

[topaz patrol]

Windows shouldn't be using those for MAC randomisation

[silent flax]

well show us first three numbers of the network card MAC address. FOr example mine starts with E8:9C:25, which is ASUS

[topaz patrol]

x2-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
x6-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
xA-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx
xE-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx```
Are the only addresses that should be used for MAC randomization

[rich ruin]

I don't have a network card it's plugged into the MOBO

[silent flax]

which is a network card

[topaz patrol]

Otherwise devices would conflict

[rich ruin]

Realtek Gaming 2.5GbE Family Controller

[silent flax]

but again, if the mac address of that device matches the mac address of your device, it is just wrong fingerprinting on Unify side

[rich ruin]

04-7

[topaz patrol]

Hello Mr. Paranoid :p

[plain siren]

you dont have to block your dns suffix or internal ip

[topaz patrol]

Yeah lol

[silent flax]

i do have to, it is my own TLD with personally identifiable information 🙂

it is not home.local or stuff like that 🙂

[silent flax]

to be able to do anything, first 3 segments are needed, like in my picture. in your case 04-7x-xx

[rich ruin]

The mac address of the Realtek controller is the same as my "PC" in unifi

[topaz patrol]

Report as incorrect, move on with life :)

[rich ruin]

how do i do that?

Do I submit a ticket on their website or is there a way to report it in Unifi?

[acoustic atlas]

So, if I need a usb to RJ45 console cable by tomorrow, and no one in my town sells them, how might I go about getting one. Or am I fucked.

[topaz patrol]

I believe there’s a button when you click the device

Or just rename it

[topaz patrol]

What kind? There are different kinds

[acoustic atlas]

Working with n2048p

[topaz patrol]

I know there are some UPSs for example that use a completely different pinout to a Cisco rollover cable

And do you have a serial port?

Or just USB?

[acoustic atlas]

Just usb but technically I could do usb to serial then serial to rj45

[topaz patrol]

That makes it easier

[acoustic atlas]

Yeah but not really when I still can’t find a serial to rj45 :p

[topaz patrol]

DIY

If you don't have a DB9 connector just jam the cables in

[acoustic atlas]

I have also realized the “near me” feature on Google no longer works for this because every store just lists it for delivery “near me”

[acoustic atlas]

So, let me make sure I’ve got this right. USB to female db9, then grab an Ethernet cable, crimp one end, and just stick the other end in the open holes?

[topaz patrol]

Yes, with the correct pinout ofc

RTS 1 -> 8 CTS

DTR 2 -> 6 DSR

TXD 3 -> 2 RXD

GND 4 -> 5 GND

GND 5 -> 5 GND

RXD 6 -> 3 TXD

DSR 7 -> 4 DTR

CTS 8 -> 7 RTS```

[acoustic atlas]

Kek. Honestly, it’s the only idea I realistically have left

NO WAIT my boss has female db9 to rj45

I just need a male db9

[topaz patrol]

lol

[acoustic atlas]

I thought it was a female db9 to usb, I remembered wrong

[topaz patrol]

That's a part you can't really diy

[tropic briar]

hi guys today i was trying to portforward, and when i've been having some issues. when i check the port checker, it says port 80 is open, but when i do it for port 443, it says its not, and im pretty sure i did the exact same thing. it also doesnt work with 25565.

[peak cloak]

do you have a server behind it. If you just "open" it on the router it won't do anything

[tropic briar]

i dont think so, but whatever i did for 80 doesnt work for any other port

[tropic briar]

hey also i was just going through my wifi settings and saw this, do you think that this is the issue

[peak cloak]

Are you using ipv6 address to test?

[tropic briar]

no i think ipv4, the reserved one

[acoustic atlas]

Apparently it’s a part you can’t fuckin buy anywhere either

But I’ve got a usb to db9 and a db9 to rj45, so we gonna see

[plain siren]

Out of curiosity, does the device you are working with have an IPMI Card or BMC

or if you have another PC/server with DB9 you could just use that

[acoustic atlas]

Nope. This was my only option :p

Also I can hit the network interface but someone set a password and we don’t have it. And I don’t want to reset the switch due to possible vlan configurations

[tepid crag]

Hi everyone

[left oriole]

Love to see my pihole in action, blocking ads

[craggy fiber]

I'm new to doing networking but we got a new modem and has only 1 port for ethernet. I connected it my mesh network hub then to a switch but I'm loosing a lot of the speed from the hub. I tried to connect the switch first then hub but had IP address issues as devices slowly started to not work.

What would be the ideal setup or best way to fix this? New switch or mesh routers?

[clear igloo]

Modem will hand out the public IP address to the first thing to ask, so if you go Modem > Switch > devices + router then you'll have tons of issues
Modem > Router/Mesh system > Switch off the main node is the ideal setup
If you're hanging the switch off a mesh node that's not the main node then that would explain a good part of the bandwidth loss depending on the environment

[craggy fiber]

The switch is off the main mesh node however am loosing a lot bandwidth. Probably due for an upgrade on the mesh network as its been more then a few years. Thanks for the clarification. Any recs on mesh network hubs?

[clear igloo]

What model mesh?

and switch too, just making sure something isn't stuck with a 10/100 megabit port

Unless the mesh hub has serious issues wired speed shouldn't really tank unless something is limited with only 100 megabit ports or a cable is damaged

[craggy fiber]

Deco X60

I never thought about the cables, always just have used them as they were never the bottleneck...

Switch is a netgear 16 gigabit switch

[clear igloo]

Hmmm, interesting, if you bypass the switch with a computer are there any issues still?

Not really up to speed on the mesh stuff these days but off and on I'll see TP-Link mesh stuff with generally good mentions

[craggy fiber]

Issue exists intermittently on the wireless devices as they just buffer

If I go router to computer same speed basically

[clear igloo]

Have you rebooted the modem since swapping router to switch and back to router afterwards?

[craggy fiber]

Yes few times

[clear igloo]

ok, hmmm, you could try picking something up on amazon just to see and return it if you want to go that route, lol

At least it would give you a new data point with something else

[craggy fiber]

Not a bad idea lol might be doing that

[lost lily]

i want to get a 10Base-T1L network trunk up

seems fun

[left oriole]

When the storm makes the Internet go out

Not great

Better by the window

[plain siren]

Why is it so hard for me to Masquerade the 1:1 NAT AWS does on their EC2 Instances so I dont have to deal with Public/Private Advertising configs

[pseudo blade]

"To masquerade the 1:1 NAT"?

[pseudo blade]

Are you perhaps missing that AWS blocks output of routed packets by default?

Not sure what else you'd mean

[long scarab]

i had my fun, now i gotta glean this shit up (third screenshot)

[spark torrent]

Would it be possible for network settings on an Xbox to cause the reset of the network/router to have problems when that Xbox with whatever network settings is connected?

Long story short there’s an Xbox in my house which was connected differently then everything else. We had ran some Ethernet cables to try and get it connected to the same network as the rest of the house but everything was until the couple times we did plug it in. I’m not 100% it’s the issue but everything had been issue free for a while so its weird to randomly see issues now and that’s the only thing that’s different or new so I was just curious if custom network settings on the device could cause problems with the rest of the network. I didn’t think it made sense but wasn’t sure if maybe somehow the custom settings are spamming or DDoSing our own network some how

[fickle lily]

i can use pfsense as gateway even i have no lan connected to it right? So my setup is a pfsense running through the vm then a direct attach virtual connection .

[pseudo blade]

Actually what exactly is a "gateway" if you have no LAN?

Gateway to nowhere :P

[pseudo blade]

Tell us a bit more about your goals - what's the PFsense router's purpose? Want another subnet for VMs for a homelab for example?

I rewrote my response like 3 times then realised your ask is too ambiguous to really answer your question properly

[fickle lily]

So like if you have pfsense you have a wan port which connects to your router right ? then you have seperate either nic to be able to connect to a switch or device directly . BUT lets say i want to use the pfsense to test captive portal without the seperate nic (i am running pfsense in laptop via vm) i would only use the ip address i used to access pfsense in browser as gateway ?

[pseudo blade]

You need to control the user's DNS and DHCP to implement captive portal

Probably easier to just set up a dedicated VM for that testing if you don't want to mess with your laptop's settings though

[fickle lily]

ohhh you mean seperate device? my laptop is the server lol

it is broken laptop reporpuse

[pseudo blade]

Probably not the hypervisor but you could if you really wanted to

[fickle lily]

well i am surprise with this laptop tbh lmao .

[pseudo blade]

Yeah no graphical VMs are going to fit on the free memory of that unless you're cool testing with dillo and icewm on Linux :P

[pseudo blade]

I love the picture Acer used

"Get support on the ewaste netbook somewhere in this pile maybe"

[fickle lily]

yea and repurpose it lmao. Its monitor is broken so i just remove it and install ubuntu server

works great been planning on putting 8gb ram on it .

[pseudo blade]

I used an old aspire one zg5 as a Linux server for a few years

It was very low performance but who cares, it only served files and stuff for a house

Faster and more memory than a Pi at the time and free to me

[fickle lily]

but anyways made the pfsense work do i need the other nic to use it or i can use the ipaddress of pfsense to as gateway to my pc ? I think it would simutlate me connecting into one of the lan ports if i have dongle

[fickle lily]

yea . this is also passive cooling so turn off pc and it is quite asf

[pseudo blade]

The problem you're going to run into is that you don't have a second network at l2, so you could use a usb NIC or you could use a VLAN (If you had enough RAM to run W10 or something in a VM I'd say test with that... but you do not

[fickle lily]

welp guess have to buy usb nic

lmao

[pseudo blade]

For VLANs you'd need a switch or router capable of handling that and your stuff doesn't look like it is

[fickle lily]

decapitated laptop lol

[pseudo blade]

They work better with the screen on, free KVM

[fickle lily]

ohhh the ONT has vlan as far as i know

[pseudo blade]

Ah, but probably not VLANs for you

[fickle lily]

welp it is not for me lmao

i guess would buy usb nic with a router . I plan to hand out voucher of sort for people to connect to wifi lmao . like 1 month pass they buy to me

[pseudo blade]

If this is a moneymaking enterprise there are consultants for this sort of thing

[fickle lily]

no . not really

just to help me pay the internet bills lmao . split the bill of sort

[silk trench]

Yeah i give up

It went up to 150 megabits for like 3 sexonds and now it's back to 50

I can't tell if something is wrong on my end or my specific steam cache is literally being beaten to death by the number of contemporary downloads for this game

Nvm changed download cache location and i'm getting my full 300 megabits

That poor server must have been getting absolutely tortured

[fickle lily]

lol auto select is worst

it is like selft driving car dumping you to a river

[fickle lily]

if i use the pfsense to do fall back like 2 ISP i would want the main internet line to be in Ethernet port of the laptop right ?

then the 2nd one is in usb 3.0 to ethernet

then my lan which i will connect my 8 Ports will be in the usb 2.0 to ethernet adapter

[cinder plank]

I got one of these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006473745641.html and a pair of these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005199153737.html (550m MM) they work well of I plug them both into my ruckus switch to two vlans but I don't get any actively with this switch. Any ideas, is the switch just DOA?

[plain siren]

Out of curiosity who is your carrier?

[plain siren]

how are you powering that switch

oh its got DC on the back, its not the DIN verison

[grand ingot]

For wanting to boost a routers capability in communicating with nearby cellular towers, is the best method a specific type of Antenna or Satelite Dish? Or maybe other ways? Currently running Xfinity Gigabit Extra 1200 Mbps (No fiber in the area). Private router instead of an Xfinity router? What would you recommend?

[pseudo blade]

You made sure the two Ruckus switchports are untagged?

[plain siren]

Wait im not understanding

Are you asking about how to boost cell connectivity for your Internet?

Which is Xfinity?

Or was that a different line of questioning

You need to use a proper listed cell booster if you are going to use one

[topaz patrol]

Yeah I think they need to clarify a little

[plain siren]

Non listed ones are illegal

(technically)

[grand ingot]

I want my router to communicate with the cell tower faster for less ping.

[plain siren]

you have xfinity gigabit though

[grand ingot]

Yes

[plain siren]

its not using cellular

its using DOCSIS 3.1

[grand ingot]

The router does not communicate with the cell tower?

[plain siren]

No

You are not getting gigabit network service over cellular like that

[grand ingot]

Does the router communicate straight to my ISP then?

[plain siren]

over DOCSIS (Coaxial) yes

[topaz patrol]

What cords are plugged into your router

[grand ingot]

Let me go check

[topaz patrol]

You're horrible at L1 support :p

[plain siren]

I dont need to confirm this

lol

[topaz patrol]

You do. You have to show them what's going on

[grand ingot]

A round cord which I believe is the Coaxial, along with power cord, and 2 ethernet cables.

[topaz patrol]

The coaxial cable is how you get your internet

[plain siren]

I did that for years on this server.

[grand ingot]

Oh

[topaz patrol]

I know

[plain siren]

yalls turn

[grand ingot]

Thank you for the clarification

[plain siren]

if you having odd connectivity issues, it may because of the connection outside (usually in like a pedestal or if you are in something like a trailer park or whatever, directly to the pole) are degrading/exposed to the elements/other kinds of damage.

Coaxial is very fucking picky

In fact, if someone upstream of you happens to have their modem not plugged in correctly, it can cause noise downstream to you

[grand ingot]

No connectivity issues or anything, I just wanted lower ping in games haha

[plain siren]

its as good as its going to get

[grand ingot]

Bummer

I guess I will just have to pray fiber gets installed in my area

[plain siren]

whats the ping

[grand ingot]

Like on internet speed test?

[plain siren]

and in game

[grand ingot]

Valorant I get around 30-40, same with Rust

[topaz patrol]

That's fine

[grand ingot]

Google is showing 9 ms to Miami

[topaz patrol]

Blame your skills, not the latency :p

[grand ingot]

?

I want to make sure everything I have is the best it can be for when I build my new pc

[topaz patrol]

It'll be fine, and you can't help it anyway

[grand ingot]

Yes, I know that know. Thank you Rouing.

[left oriole]

https://youtu.be/06qrssJ2RQs?si=JFRuhZYQP7OP_0sp

This dude making his own router

[cinder plank]

Oh, good point. I'm not really too sure, sine I'm very new to switch management.

It is a ruckus ICX7510-C12P.

show running-config vlan 10
produces:

 untagged ethe 1/1/1 ethe 1/2/1 ethe 1/3/1
!
!```

1/1/1 is lan computer, 1/3/1 is the sfp port. Does this mean it is setup correctly?

[fickle lily]

it is from philippines . GLOBE Telco lmao

why?

[cinder plank]

There also aren't any activity lights next to the sfp port... Shouldn't there be some lights even lights with a transiver but no fiber?

[clear igloo]

usually not until link is up

[cinder plank]

Ok, do you know if this config is correct? #networking message shouldn't it just be plug and play like ethernet?

[clear igloo]

Not always, you might need to configure the port itself and bring it up
Not sure the exact syntax for ruckus though but I know Cisco is no shutdown

Seems to be (or at least was)
interface ethernet x
enable

[cinder plank]

I looped the fiber back to the ruckus to the second sfp on a second vlan and that works, that means the ports are up right?

[clear igloo]

yup

Same SFP used?

[cinder plank]

Yep

[clear igloo]

Or I should say did you pull the SFP from the mini switch and use it in the ruckus and it came up

[cinder plank]

Yes

[clear igloo]

weird, hmmm

[clear igloo]

what model is the mini switch?

The SFP used is a gigabit SFP right? Not a 10g one

[cinder plank]

Yes.

[cinder plank]

Not much info or model name #networking message

The pcb says su1006gpbt

And it is based on a rtl8367s

[clear igloo]

Ah, did you use the same cable by chance or a different one when doing loopback?

[cinder plank]

Same, just unpluged the sfp an plugged it in the other switch

[clear igloo]

weird, because those SFPs you got are single mode (1310nm is single mode, 850 is multi mode) and the cable is multi mode

[cinder plank]

There are two options on that page?

I picked 550m mm

[clear igloo]

Ah, interesting, yah they show pictures of both but the 550m one claims mm but there are pictures that say 1310nm that show up first. Might just be an aliexpress thing

ok, I refreshed the page and it defaults to the right picture now, lol
so that's not it either =/

Wait, I see the 6 lit up on the switch, so that tells me it might be up?

[cinder plank]

They are these

[clear igloo]

yah, you're good then, just bad page loading on my side

[cinder plank]

?

[clear igloo]

on your picture above PWR there is a second light with 6 above it

That tells me 6 is up, in theory

and 6 is the SFP port

BT might be for poe

[cinder plank]

🤔 Ill test

[clear igloo]

Yah, the docs and layout aren't great but I think AT and BT, where your purple arrow points, is for something else and the two green lights PWR and 6 are for the switch powered up and the status of the SFP port respectively

[cinder plank]

Ok. I'm not at it atm. I'll @ you when I am and ill test what lights are on with the sfp disconnected 👍

[clear igloo]

cool!

[fickle lily]

has anyone used haplite router?

mikrotik ?

thus they support api that i can use to alter stuff in router ?

[cinder plank]

@clear igloo 😆🤦‍♂️ thanks for your help, the 6 light does come on when the there is a fiber link... It turns out we were on a wild goose chase. Since leaving it all off for the night it now works. Maybe something needed restarting or there was a bad connection. But ultimately it now works 🎉

[jovial onyx]

anyone here have experience with truenas and usage of dockers? I'm a bit of a noob here and trying to add a jdownloader docker but failing miserably

[waxen scroll]

Thank you @clear igloo , very cool.

[tribal sequoia]

ruckus icx switches usually require licensing for 10gbit support on sfp ports

but since it seems like you're doing just 1gb sfp it SHOULD be fine

[fervent brook]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1294041719473573969/1309184252281094235/image.png

One last look at my stupid NAS setup before I install the proper drives

[fickle lily]

when you are too excited cause you have router os and probly you can use pcie wifi to do wifi ap then you cant use pcie device cause you are on vm

[fickle lily]

hello guys who had tried setting up routerOS? how do i get pass with this setup ? like local network part

[clear igloo]

Well what subnet is your LAN?

Because your WAN isn't 192.168.1.1 I would hope

unless you're hanging it off an existing LAN then you'll need a different subnet for behind the routerOS box like 192.168.10.x/24 or something

[fickle lily]

you mean my actual isp router with this right ?

so my setup is i have ISP ONT router hooled to 8 ports whichmy laptop server is hooked then i run the Router os via VM which has direct attach network

[quartz lily]

our household pays for 125 download and 25 upload, anyone know why the speed is so low, also this only started happening 4 ish days ago

[fickle lily]

in wifi?

[quartz lily]

ethernet

[opal pagoda]

call your isp

[fickle lily]

is there ISP advisory ?

like broken fibr line or something

[quartz lily]

we called them yesterday

they said there are no faults anywhere

that's why im so confused

[clear igloo]

So then you'll need to use another private network for routerOS for the LAN side then for the VM

Since the ISP router already has a public IP and is giving out private addresses

[lunar spade]

My house has cat 5e cables, and I have a 24 port gigabit network switch connected to my router.
I noticed that my network switch reports a gigabit connection to my pc when my pc is on, and a 100megabit connection when my pc is turned off. Why does this happen?
Its not an issue since it only occurs when my pc is off, mostly curious as to why it happens

[peak cloak]

I'm not an expert on this stuff, it's probobly related to autonegotiation and it defaults to 100mpbs

1000BASE-T requires autonegotiation

[pseudo blade]

Probably for power savings, allows Wake-On-Lan and similar without the effort of maintaining the unnecessary higher speed

[pseudo blade]

You don't use Quick Set - it's designed for the most common use case for a given product

Quick Set's neat for people wanting to set up a basic router in a common configuration

I believe there's usually a dropdown somewhere on screen that will let you pick from a few use cases based on the features of the device you're using

Router vs. AP for example

It also won't show the local network config if you set it to a bridge

[dense light]

Just got destroyed by CCNA
Am i the only one

[fervent brook]

If someone is going to try to buy gas, but i don't want them to. And i tell the register that someone wants to try to put a penny on the pump, but just leave the transaction pending, does that count as a DOS attack?

[tribal sequoia]

added to the pool of so many lol

[fickle lily]

I see\

I think the new Win Box is noice looking but also it is kind of confusing lmao

[strange pond]

I'm paying about like $60 for fiber optics. Going at about a gigabit a second so like 20 gigabyte games or download in 20 seconds with moca and a lan switch from TP Link

[peak cloak]

no

gigabit is not a gigabyte

[fickle lily]

welp gonna get second ISP soon enough

[random marten]

Hey!
I have a assa abloy 10psc l anyone know what it might be worth found it at work unused

https://www.assaabloy.com/se/sv/solutions/products/arx-sakerhetssystem/arx/batteribackup/batteribackup-certifierade-och-kommunicerande/assa-abloy-10psc-l

[plain siren]

id slap that contractor

[lavish relic]

Would it possible to connect this like a Nas then I can access movies and photos throughout my network

[long scarab]

Fired

[long scarab]

Attach to a raspberry pi and install samba

You can use anything else as well

[strange pond]

Why

[plain siren]

thats drywall

so they cut a hole then just slapped a plate over it... not even centered

[strange pond]

What do you mean that's drywall

Yeah

[strange pond]

I see that

That's crazy

[plain siren]

You put one of these first.

[strange pond]

I thought all frontier contractors did it like that

We just had a frontier dude come do it

[plain siren]

Then after that, use that same plate with this guy.

[plain siren]

They prob do, because they are lazy fucks.

[strange pond]

I don't really care about it so going to a different country anyway that doesn't support frontier so

[plain siren]

You get something like this

[strange pond]

Yeah I see how that's smarter

Speaking of the internet do you want to see what it goes at

[plain siren]

oh god

[strange pond]

What do you mean? Oh God!

[plain siren]

is it terrible or something

[strange pond]

No no. It's really good actually

Let me turn on my PC that's connected to lan and get it better. I'm on a mobile right now

[plain siren]

did you get gigabit

[strange pond]

Yes

I love it!

[plain siren]

well at least theres that

[strange pond]

Yeah it's still pretty good. In fact there are box actually broke one time and her internet was down for a little but that wasn't the fiber optic so it was a mechanism in the box

[strange pond]

What I saying in fact I was just putting a detail

[plain siren]

was it this thing that broke

[strange pond]

No it was the box itself like something in there broke. We got it replaced with a black version but it used to be white

[strange pond]

Yeah like that

[plain siren]

the FOG421

[strange pond]

I got too expensive so we slowed it down to 500 MB a second but it's still the best internet because I went to a relative's house and it was very slow from Verizon

This is connected through lan

I actually have a question for you

[plain siren]

hmm

[strange pond]

What's this cable for? It never got plugged into anything

[plain siren]

If you have another router and it uses the same voltage and that fits, you could have the battery backup work for it too

[strange pond]

Oh that's cool

I have a switch so my original thought is we got a power supply that had the thing for a switch but it wasn't the right jack so we never plugged it in or it was in a different spot and it didn't reach

[plain siren]

Its funny I cant find the non-rebranded model of that ONT

[pseudo blade]

It just kinda does a lot

[topaz patrol]

Nokia often makes custom skus for different carriers

[plain siren]

It was Intertek

Nokia I can find.

intertek I cant

[topaz patrol]

Never mind, looked like an ALE ONT

[plain siren]

It kinda does

[topaz patrol]

Yeah I just assumed

[wet wigeon]

gonna upgrade the ole network with rackmount shit

so how do yall feel about used cisco gear?

[fickle lily]

Not unless it is broken used gears i think is cool

though if it is put in shitty place like used it in a room without a proper vent probly not good

[wet wigeon]

i heard pretty bad things about cisco IOS, how its a pain to manage

[fickle lily]

ohhh cisco ? no idea lmao

[clear igloo]

It's all CLI based

I'm biased so I won't comment but I've been working with Cisco gear for years so am very familiar with it

[wet wigeon]

ugh, sounds like a pain

[clear igloo]

I mean most enterprise gear is CLI based

but there is definitely a learning curve

[wet wigeon]

this is just gonna be a homelab

[clear igloo]

Well then I would learn and have fun

[rocky badge]

Cisco 👍

[fickle lily]

probly will start my stuff on mikrotik haplite haha

[formal star]

Used stuff is fine, but in most cases it is used because it doesn't support the latest whatever or something isn't working correctly. I would only get Cisco if you want it to lean Cisco, or if you have no need for higher performance, but I would not buy it thinking Cisco is reliable because used is not always reliable. Also, hone network or work network?

What I would look for in a homelab would be a decent 10gig switch, a router you can play with with some vlans, and a decent 2.5gig switch. Many smaller 8 port switches can still be rack mounted. This setup will let you play with LAGG setup and vlans for fun. I have a 48 port gig switch on my home rack only because it was free.

[clear igloo]

Also worth considering is energy prices in the area too. Used stuff, especially data center stuff, isn't as concerned about power usage

[formal star]

They are concerned, but practical about it, a switch that consumes 500watts because it has sever gbps backplane is not outrageous.

[vernal sky]

@everyone

[vale path]

So im trying to create an AP on my raspberry pi 4 so that all my devices can make use of the eth port i have in my room. Now i dont know what im doing wrong but the access point can be seen by other devices, i just cant connect. Im helpless at this point. Heres what i did:
sudo systemctl stop dnsmasq
sudo systemctl disable dnsmasq

### I then added dns=dnsmasq in the NetworkManager.conf

nmcli connection add type wifi ifname wlan1 con-name accesspoint autoconnect yes ssid "eth2wlannetwork"
nmcli connection modify accesspoint 802-11-wireless.mode ap
nmcli connection modify accesspoint 802-11-wireless-security.key-mgmt wpa-psk
nmcli connection modify accesspoint 802-11-wireless-security.psk "whatever"
nmcli connection modify accesspoint 802-11-wireless-security.proto rsn
nmcli connection modify accesspoint 802-11-wireless.band bg
nmcli connection modify accesspoint 802-11-wireless.mode ap
nmcli connection modify accesspoint 802-11-wireless.channel 6
nmcli connection modify accesspoint ipv4.method shared
nmcli connection up accesspoint

sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE
sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o wlan1 -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i wlan1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
sudo iptables -A INPUT -i wlan1 -j ACCEPT
sudo iptables -A FORWARD -i wlan1 -j ACCEPT
sudo netfilter-persistent save

sudo systemctl restart NetworkManager

Also: im on raspbian os bookworm headless

[topaz patrol]

What documentation are you following?

[opal pagoda]

are you running a fortimanager vm?

[vale path]

no documentation. just a bunch of forum posts and this https://raspberrytips.com/access-point-setup-raspberry-pi/, but this leaves a lot unsaid

[topaz patrol]

https://www.raspberrypi.com/documentation/computers/configuration.html#use-your-raspberry-pi-as-a-network-bridge

[vale path]

oh, thanks, this might be better hehe

[topaz patrol]

Lol

[vale path]

this worked without me having to create a bridge somehow sudo nmcli device wifi hotspot ssid <example-network-name> password <example-password>, the only problem is after i reboot the connection is gone

[opal pagoda]

as with most linux network settings there might be need to save config somehow

[topaz patrol]

Create a .service file and enable it

Probably not the way you're meant to do it though

[vale path]

i assumed so im just double checking, cuz creating it this way at least made sure it got reconnected after reboot

im pretty sure sudo nmcli connection modify Hotspot connection.autoconnect yes just to be sure im testing but yeah

yep. that did it

thanks for the link @topaz patrol

[topaz patrol]

No worries.

[rocky badge]

No

[vale path]

does anyone know why NetworkManager is still spawning a dnsmasq process and binding it to port 53 even when added dns=none to the nm conf file

[fickle lily]

yessssssssss

now what to do with this internet speed haha

[fickle lily]

should i change my ISP router account or should i leave it there

[lean bronze]

Hey guys, does anyone of whether the following is possible:
Have a full WG tunnel from SiteA to SiteB
Assign an additional virtual IP to SiteB
Route it in such a way in OPNSense over the WG tunnel to SiteA that that virtual IP can be assigned as the interface IP of a VM on SiteA

[opal pagoda]

virtual ip?

[lean bronze]

Yeah, additional IPv4's are called Virtual IP's in OPNsense

[opal pagoda]

in traditional s2s you just create static routes over vpn interfaces on both sides

[lean bronze]

I've given that a shot, but couldn't figure it just out.
What I did was create on both sides a gateway on the WG tunnel interface with the IP of the other side, added the public IP to the allowed IP's in WG and disabled routes in the wireguard settings. Then, I assigned the public IPv4 on the machine on SiteA and added Outbound NAT settings on SiteB from the Virtual IP to the public IP itself.
On the machine on SiteA, I tried using both WG tunnel IP's and both local IP's of the OPNSense routers as gateway, but couldn't get it working.

[fickle lily]

fkin hell i dont have no shit mounting stuff

so i just do what ever

[pseudo blade]

In WG you just pick how much address space is going over the tunnel in the config then it's the receiving end's job to deal with that
The rest is Boring Old Routing

So if you're terminating on OPNsense you'd ensure you had visibility to the VPN from it, then add its subnet to allowedIPs in the wg config on the originator

Oh! One extra thing you need to ensure! The VM obviously needs to have a route back over the tunnel, it'll do it for you usually if the OPNsense box in question is your network gateway because it'll have the route

[lean bronze]

Do you mean adding the public IPv4, which is assigned to the interface of the machine on SiteA to the allowed IP's in the wg peer of SiteB on SiteA? I've got a 0.0.0.0/0 entry there

[pseudo blade]

0.0.0.0/0 will be a full tunnel to the other end of all traffic by the way

Is that perhaps not what you desire?

[waxen scroll]

hate it, its not legal.

@clear igloo ©️

[lean bronze]

Yeah, basically I want to mimic the machine on SiteA to be on the public site of SiteB (so all traffic sent through SiteB and the IP of the machine on SiteA is the additional IPv4 of SiteB)

[opal pagoda]

why not

[clear igloo]

he just mad he can't use it in prod, lol

[opal pagoda]

used stuff in prod?

[clear igloo]

honor based licences go brrrrr

[waxen scroll]

not anymore. they are cracking down

I dont think new licenses transfer.

[clear igloo]

grey market used vs refurbished/authorized reseller used is different because grey market can't get support

[waxen scroll]

They are starting to make us run licensing servers on prem to make our stuff work

[pseudo blade]

Please be aware that the wireguard IPs can't be in the same subnet as the remote network as it's a layer 3 VPN

[lean bronze]

In both cases the OPNsense boxes are the main gateways of the network indeed. I've added a static route on SiteB to the WG IP of SiteA for the public IP I assigned to the machine on SiteA, and also added this IP to the Allowed IPs of WG. Does this suffice or am I missing something?

[opal pagoda]

eh i am fortunate enough that i only run new gear that are not eol

[lean bronze]

Do you mean the WG tunnel IP's or any IP over the tunnel?
I've added the public IP as a /32 btw, not the entire /24

[pseudo blade]

You should have

Site A device > WG routing address space > Site B router > Site B address space

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo for all the "we're better" pitches Arista does I am annoyed that even they wont sell a fully unlocked switch. Why does everything need to have licenses. ugh

[clear igloo]

license all the things!!!
They use PAK licenses I think

[opal pagoda]

on friday i got a almost million dollar quote from fortinet lmao

[pseudo blade]

For example you can have SiteADevice be 10.255.0.2 and SiteB router be 10.255.0.1 but not if the Site B subnet is 10.255.0.0/24 (no path back over tunnel), but you can if the remote site is 192.168.0.0/24 or 10.0.0.0/24

[waxen scroll]

Apparently my manager did a quote for a real project with them and he got dizzy. I guess they are close to as expensive as cisco

[clear igloo]

was that for a license? 😛

[clear igloo]

yup, that's what I've seen a lot of the time

[opal pagoda]

some hardware appliances (fortideceptor and fortisandbox) but other than that licenses for 1500 users

[clear igloo]

That I can definitely see, yah per user licenses are evil

[clear igloo]

Do they still ding you for third party optics licenses?

Last I saw it's a key you need to install on each box to use third party stuff

[waxen scroll]

not that I know of

[pseudo blade]

Licenses are gross, my shit should still work if I don't want to pay maintenance

[clear igloo]

but line must go up
recurring revenue bro!!!!
😛

[waxen scroll]

we talked optics and a license was never part of the conversation

[clear igloo]

Yah, it's only first party optics at least for the box I used but there is an unsupported license command that does need a key on the CLI
Google got me one XD

[opal pagoda]

only per user license was 70$ *1500 ~100k

[clear igloo]

That's not bad compared to some, lol

[lean bronze]

Would you mind me sending you a dm with the entire setup I currently have?

[waxen scroll]

we only run first party anyway because there were painful problems in the past and the stakeholders dont want to try again

[clear igloo]

Makes sense, yah

[waxen scroll]

our 100G stuff is already past the posted limits of what it can do

we have to switch to SM now for over 100

[pseudo blade]

Fine, I won't hang around long because it's like 2:30AM

But I'll sanity-check

[clear igloo]

Yup, single mode is the way of the future

[opal pagoda]

we are looking at options for replacing our current trendmicro solution which idk how much costs

[pseudo blade]

Need to start charging for this shit :P

[waxen scroll]

the prices on SM optics is BS

[clear igloo]

short range single mode (2km) aren't terrible but still yah

[opal pagoda]

aw yep
huge bs
we will probably spend rest of opex on transcievers this year

i will ask about -rf ones just to see price delta

[clear igloo]

and then you have OSFP optics for 800G and OSFP only for 1.6T and up so you'll need a carrier if you want to use 400g or lower QSFP optics in them standalone. I doubt it's going to be a huge deal for most but still

[clear igloo]

😦 yup

[waxen scroll]

how is 400G barely more than 100G?

[clear igloo]

for 5x as many 😛

OH, unit price, lol

I thought that was total for a second

It's cheaper because ummm, yah reasons

[opal pagoda]

that is list price, not many people are paying list price for it
most have a discout of atleast 50%\

[waxen scroll]

yeah I cant post my discount or @clear igloo might tattle on me

even with discount its stupid expensive

[opal pagoda]

he is cisco police

[waxen scroll]

when I need 600 optics for a project...

[waxen scroll]

my account team at my VAR is nervous because we haven't really ordered anything major since 2021. lol.

all of a sudden they want lunches and stuff

I'd order tons more if they quit the bullshit on license costs

adds 40% more cost to a switch

[opal pagoda]

you dont love mandatory licenses that you dont need?

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo it reminds me of CDJR dealers who slap addendums on all of their cars and wonder why nobody wants to buy them

[waxen scroll]

you know how it is... you need that one little feature but you need this whole license for all these other features

[opal pagoda]

cable tv all over again

[waxen scroll]

they also reworked it so that a perpetual license is more expensive in the short term than paying them yearly for a renewal license

I like calling sales out for it because they act like its a gift from god and then I tell them uhhhhh our depreciation is 5 years.... run those numbers again

I will not sugarcoat it. We are BAD at staying ontop of end of life. We have too much gear. They can screw us if we hit EOL and the license expires

[opal pagoda]

meanwhile meraki
no license no packets

[waxen scroll]

I'm not 100% sure but I think ACI will stop working too

If you need features in that license like multi-site I am not sure if it just stops working properly

@clear igloo they almost had ACI right. Almost.

They need to remove the concept of EPGs and microseg

thats ruining the product for people who dont want that

its HARD to migrate to other products if you ever do take advantage of that

because you have all this stuff on the same huge subnet

[fickle lily]

gad damn pricing for mikrotik routers lmao

[opal pagoda]

they are good for what they are.
smb not soho

[fickle lily]

mweahaha what enterpise grade stuff is for sure

planning on getting haplite for voucher wifi vendo

[opal pagoda]

ye na
you know when you reach enterprise when price isnt publicy listed and just says call for quote

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo dante go brrr

24/7 usage like this

[opal pagoda]

what is that nms?

[rocky badge]

librenms lol

[fickle lily]

ohhh yea . cause you have to talk how much you want to order and for some terms lmao

[opal pagoda]

i am just implementing a nms in my org, it isnt live yet but soon it will be

[fickle lily]

i realised one of this ONT router of otehr ISP does not have other shit other than changing wifi stuff

[pseudo blade]

I like their SoHo stuff for gigabit or less (but I know I'm not a typical SoHo user)
Sadly no decent 2.5 gigabit or better options yet I've seen, always some stupid caveat

[fickle lily]

probly i am just using the normal admin account lmao

[opal pagoda]

isnt their RB5009 offering for 2.5g?

[floral sparrow]

not sure if this question belongs here but ima ask it anyway
im trying to play vr wirelessly but my bandwidth is bad. could i buy a good wifi card and then use my pc as a hotspot for the headset?

[pseudo blade]

1 2.5g port :(

[opal pagoda]

and other is 10g

[pseudo blade]

So you need a switch with SFP+ and 2.5g to actually benefit from it

And access points

Which is not very SoHo

[floral sparrow]

cuz my mb has built in wifi but i only get 7mbits when i do it over a hotspot from it?

[pseudo blade]

Or an internet connection using SFP+ I guess

[opal pagoda]

just use it as a router on a stick in combination with crs326

[pseudo blade]

Too much kit for one small room with two computers and a laptop in it

Everything else in my house is low bandwidth and will never need/achieve fast speeds anyways

[opal pagoda]

some people use a dedicated routers for vr like https://store-eu.gl-inet.com/collections/travel-routers/products/eu-beryl-ax-gl-mt3000-pocket-sized-ax3000-wi-fi-6-travel-router-with-2-5g-wan-port

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo How should I handle DHCP and NAT for a broadcast truck?? I don't really need too much of a router but I just need basic shit lol

[clear igloo]

minimally 😛

[pseudo blade]

I'll probably just get some white box 2.5 gigabit wireless router platform with openwrt or something

[rocky badge]

Well yeah

idk what to use lol

[clear igloo]

rpi or docker container?

[rocky badge]

I mean that can do DHCP but I still need NAT and I don't wanna do that off a rpi

[pseudo blade]

Does it need much speed?

[clear igloo]

home use case or something else?

[rocky badge]

gigabit would be the max internet it would ever have

just needs to handle encoders sending some 10/20mbps streams

[rocky badge]

work

[pseudo blade]

I'd use a Mikrotik hAP ac^2 or hEX refresh off 12vdc

[floral sparrow]

would i have to buy another internet plan or would that use internet from my current router
sorry if i sound like an idiot i just have no idea about any of this

[opal pagoda]

no you dont need any new internet plans

[rocky badge]

ngl I am tempted to just do something like a 1u pfsense box or even a udmp lmao

[pseudo blade]

Probably overkill?

[clear igloo]

Do it, keep it simple

[rocky badge]

I will probably have unifi APs (switching is netgear m4250)

[pseudo blade]

Little boring ARM router

All you need

[clear igloo]

If you need a pfsense box let me know 😛
Work spend $$$ 😄

[rocky badge]

Yeah I don't want anything I have to do much maintenance

As much as I hate to say it..probably a udmp

[clear igloo]

Yah, then unifi might not be a bad idea in this case

[rocky badge]

bc it can be the controller for the APs

[clear igloo]

bingo

[rocky badge]

its not doing any inter VLAN routing

[floral sparrow]

ima look into it thanks

[pseudo blade]

UDMP feels overkill but if power is not cared about it'll definitely work

[rocky badge]

no firewall inbound shit, just all outbound

And $379 is small in compairson to this build

[pseudo blade]

It'll look good when you show nontech people your sweet mobile rack :P

[floral sparrow]

the funny thing is im doing it with a wifi extender on 2.4ghz and i have 60mbits max with constant drops

[opal pagoda]

maybe ask in #virtual-reality for application specific setup

[pseudo blade]

Yeah UDMP will blend in with all that just fine

[floral sparrow]

thanks m8

[opal pagoda]

better ap will definitly improve your experience

[pseudo blade]

My AV friend is almost certainly jealous

He's just got an x86 server and a bunch of mixing and IO cards in a 6U roadcase rackmount thing

[floral sparrow]

ap?

[pseudo blade]

Access point

[rocky badge]

rip

[pseudo blade]

WiFi box that only does WiFi

[opal pagoda]

access point
what is commonly said as "router" is often a combination of 3 devices
a router
a access point
and a switch

[pseudo blade]

He bought a 7th gen intel platform because he found some golden motherboard with pre-broadcom PLX chips

[floral sparrow]

im watching a video rn if i do that in my room my parents are gonna crucify me

[pseudo blade]

Alas he could have possibly went Threadripper if he had a little more money

[rocky badge]

yeah the PC i have in my rack is a threadripper for video

[pseudo blade]

I don't think that old board was cheap either

[opal pagoda]

you can always have a isolated network just for vr
it will perform better too

[pseudo blade]

<Obligatory Fuck Broadcom statement here>

[opal pagoda]

yea all my homies hate broadcom

[pseudo blade]

None of my homies willingly buy broadcom

[rocky badge]

I might need more than 1 switch lol

[floral sparrow]

Now im confused what of the three is this?

[rocky badge]

which means I need 3 now 🤪

[pseudo blade]

lol

[opal pagoda]

even nvidia is less greedy than broadcom

[pseudo blade]

48*3 ports?

[rocky badge]

48*2 and a 10g agg layer lol

[pseudo blade]

In a truck with two racks?

[rocky badge]

1 rack

[pseudo blade]

Ah, leaf+spine

[opal pagoda]

could be a powerline adapter

[pseudo blade]

In one rack

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[pseudo blade]

Incredible

[rocky badge]

lemme pull up the design rq

[pseudo blade]

Either powerline or wireless repeater

[floral sparrow]

should be the later

thats what im doing it with

[pseudo blade]

That type tend to really suck

Not that powerline is generally good

[waxen scroll]

that toilet better be japanese.

[opal pagoda]

does the "server room" have a dedicated ac?

[rocky badge]

lmao

[rocky badge]

yes

[pseudo blade]

Ah I see, 48 ports to the toilet

[rocky badge]

I need at least 2 ports at each station for laptops/etc.

And some stations need ports for the control panel at it

[pseudo blade]

Yeah looks kinda like the setup for a stadium I saw but like half and minus all the servers and broadcast gear which lived elsewhere

[rocky badge]

plus one for a router panel

then the audio console needs control & dante primary/secondary

then all of the shit in the rack

[floral sparrow]

ok i finished the video i still dont understand any of this...

[pseudo blade]

AV dude gave me a very sneaky tour, I thought it was pretty neat

I love big budget systems like that

[floral sparrow]

ok wait so if i buy a router for it i can just plug it into the repeater?

[pseudo blade]

I work with small things on small budgets

[rocky badge]

Yeah and we are gonna have fiber patch bays outside the trailer for I/O

everything out of the trailer will be fiber

[pseudo blade]

Makes sense

[rocky badge]

SDI, Dante, control network

[pseudo blade]

It's not sensible to use copper ethernet

SDI over fiber from location?

[rocky badge]

yeah

[opal pagoda]

yes but you can also just throw away current repeater as glinet router can act as one

[floral sparrow]

i have that repeater cuz otherwise i have no internet in my room

[rocky badge]

Just have 12 smf everywhere

if this was super high budget this truck would be 2110

all IP, 25/40/100G to cameras

[floral sparrow]

oh would it act like the repeater?

[opal pagoda]

just please use diffrent ssid than the main router

[rocky badge]

sfp28 on cameras

[clear igloo]

psh, only sfp28 and not sfp56 or 112 😛

[rocky badge]

lol

[pseudo blade]

That does look sick
All the expensive proprietary bullshit is annoying

Even a bit less is a plus

[rocky badge]

NEP rack for some sports

for IP 2110

[rocky badge]

2110 is open standard, it all works together

[pseudo blade]

Yeah smpte

[opal pagoda]

one slip untill doom

[rocky badge]

lol

[clear igloo]

It's a stabilizing cable 😛

[rocky badge]

already own all of the fiber, just convert from using SDI to 2110

[opal pagoda]

ye yea universal cable/ wheel caulks

[pseudo blade]

I'm surprised there are just roadcases and mobile racks

[rocky badge]

then dante audio

or madi over fiber

[pseudo blade]

Are they planning to just not have live streaming later :P

[rocky badge]

Nexus is loved for PTP lol

[opal pagoda]

how is the communication between racks done?

[rocky badge]

wdym

[pseudo blade]

Sorry guys all this techno shit isn't needed, just look down at the field and be here, roll away the racks and roadcases

[opal pagoda]

ah it is that ground snake

[rocky badge]

yeah

its all mutlicast!

AV over IP is just multicast 🤓

[floral sparrow]

ah i just figured out its a powerline repeater
on the website it says up to 300mbits over wifi, would that be the bandwidth of the local network then?

[clear igloo]

100 megabit

The plugs are going to negate that wifi claim and hamstring it to 100meg speeds
powerline marketing sucks

[floral sparrow]

i dont know the language to phrase this
does it act like an access point with its own local network?

i dont care about the internet speed i care about the network bandwidth+

[clear igloo]

Generally no but I don't deal with powerline so I could be wrong on that

[floral sparrow]

i keep having to switch wifi on my phone when going around my house

[clear igloo]

Those powerline adapters tend to just extend the existing wifi network in most cases

[floral sparrow]

the top one is the repeater and the bottom one the main router

[pseudo blade]

Sure looks like both are from the repeater

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @pseudo blade So far lol

[fickle lily]

wehen the ethernet port of access point is 100Mbps but the wifi speed is 300Mbps lmao

[pseudo blade]

Yeah that's because outside lab conditions you're not getting more than half that speed

I will say that in the hAP lite you've bought a bit of a lemon product, they're dirt cheap for a reason and that reason is being so cost-cut they often can't even perform software upgrades without being reflashed over the network with netboot

Good for lab testing for students or other environments with no budget and a willingness to accept problems in exchange for saving money, if I'm billing for a service in 2024 I'd at least get the hAP ac^2

[topaz patrol]

If scrappy US WISPs use them you should stay away from :p

https://web.archive.org/web/20241004175508/http://mikroshit.com/

[pseudo blade]

The selling point is the price

[pseudo blade]

They do sell real networking gear, you just have to pay more than $20

[topaz patrol]

More than a couple hundred bucks*

Have you seen what some of those cheap American WISPs do lmao

[pseudo blade]

I can guess

[topaz patrol]

“Look mum I built an ISP” sound it up perfectly

But you can get some half decent TP-Link gear for that price

Or Cudy/Ruijie

[pseudo blade]

I'd take a Mikrotik over a same-budget tp-link or Cudy

[topaz patrol]

And they aren’t ugly as all hell

[topaz patrol]

Eh. Most people would prefer the latter two

[pseudo blade]

The feature sets are not comparable and I like the flexibility

Also if you're buying Cudy you're definitely not a real ISP :P

[topaz patrol]

Yes but you also aren’t buying a $30 wifi router

[topaz patrol]

The Australian WISPs would disagree lmao

[pseudo blade]

They're not real

[topaz patrol]

Powertec salespeople are great at selling that crap

[pseudo blade]

I did that stuff for a bit and we at least sold Mikrotiks with enough RAM and storage to do whatever was needed at the site

[topaz patrol]

They use them as CPE

[plain siren]

hahahah this is fun

MikroTik has always been weird to me

Their configuration system is jank as fuck

The APs they offer always have weird limitations and bands

[pseudo blade]

Their config system isn't what's janky about them and the band limitations are not an issue outside the US

RouterOS script and the API are what's actually janky

[peak cloak]

I hate it

Find routeros annoying to use

[plain siren]

its honestly really shit. Ill just say it

[pseudo blade]

Mikrotik gets flak because it's got nearly as much surface as Cisco iOS but people aren't doing lengthy training courses on it, it's not actually bad for what it is - it's just not aimed at you

[topaz patrol]

Who is it aimed at

Who is this aimed at

[topaz patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOQ6au41m9k

[pseudo blade]

Please don't ask me to understand their marketers or why they do this
But if I tried I'd say they looked at the LTT stuff and decided to try to copy that formula

Which yeah not great overlap

[pseudo blade]

WISPs, rural telco, SME, low-income country everything, whatever blend of net/sys admin I've became over the last 8 years

Being able to set up routing, VLANs and VPNs on my APs and switches has been repeatedly useful when given stupid demands and no extra budget in workplaces

And I am the cheapest of all my bosses and that's why my home network is what it is

[plain siren]

I didnt take lengthy training courses for Cisco iOS either

that being said, I can follow along what I am doing when configuring something running C-iOS much easier than Microtik. This combined with the fact there are always various workaround or problems with the current firmware (may not be true anymore, but ive had fun issues with IPv6, VLANs, and GRE Tunnels causing problems like crashes) makes it really hard to say "oh its just not for you". No its because its flimsy and very clunky.

[pseudo blade]

lol ok bud

[plain siren]

Even an Ericsson AXE Telecom Switch Station isnt as clunky and its all over the place in much the same manner actually.

And that think is older than me

feels the same though

[fickle lily]

so i got mikrotik haplite

but the problem is the port 1 which i connect my 8 ports unmanaged switch disconnects

but it connects for a few minutes then it would disconnect

[fickle lily]

difference with bridge and ppoe?

[peak cloak]

My issue is that there's like 2-3 different ways to configure the same thing and there's right and wrong way apparently

[topaz patrol]

Lmao
https://youtu.be/xpepZgIvVYY

So strange

[plain siren]

what the fuck

this guy must be high as fuck

[topaz patrol]

Their YouTube channel is hilarious

[opal pagoda]

ew a ai generated image

is it that hard to grab a product photo lmao

[low pond]

This guy? The whole company

[waxen scroll]

I prefer the other option, real work experience with devices I cant afford.

[hidden marlin]

I don’t poke my head in much, but I thought the networking people in here would like to know about a deployment I found

It’s a bunch of PoE devices that run through a Powerline adapter that goes back to ethernet almost exactly on the other side of a wall, when it easily could have been run under the floorboards

[waxen scroll]

wow how incompetent, though while thats something I would have done (run small wires to the other side of the wall) now I would want everything in a central location patch panel

@clear igloo @rocky badge you should switch to arista and join the AI revolution!

[clear igloo]

AI what now?
🤣

[waxen scroll]

ok story time. this one hurts my soul

[clear igloo]

Are you joining AI NetDevOps Scrum teams? 😛

[waxen scroll]

A business unit wanted their own network and they talked to us about their needs and we did a whole design. Because of the big cost, they decided to hire a 3rd party consulting company to not only look at our design, but advise if there are industry standards or forward directions that we missed/didnt account for.

We have many meetings with them to discuss our designs. We get to the presentation from them (before the exec level) to make comments. They went and did all this AI-this, AI-that, including pricing servers from nvidia partners. I was sitting there like uhhhhhhh guys... I never once mentioned AI in any meeting with you, none of this is in scope of what we asked for. Why did you do this? "Oh, its because [sub-team from BU] said they might be interested in AI"

[clear igloo]

Have you heard about our lord and savior AI?

[waxen scroll]

Futhermore, with all the meetings they had with the BUs sub-teams, they never once understood the traffic flows and network requirements and started saying 400G this/that because its where things are moving.

This group of apps can get away with a few gb of uplink if we wanted to.

[clear igloo]

Why would you want to understand the customer requirements when you can just shoehorn the latest and fastests for reasons

[waxen scroll]

The head dude for the network analysis used to work for (major tech brand that you know) and could not stop going "well at [brand] they do this, so you should too"

So we told them to change the preso by a lot, and I did not get to see the new one, if they did it, but I heard it bombed when they went to VP+ level

This was months ago and no network project has been approved. It was that bad.

Nothing is worse than a new coworker who injects his old employer into all of the conversations. I knew a guy from motorola who worked there for like 15 years who did the same thing.

[clear igloo]

They just needed to run the preso through ChatGPT first, lol

[rocky badge]

They heard AI and ran with it

[south blade]

Hey, I'm getting fiber installed out here in the woods on Saturday, I'm imagining that they would rather just drill a hole in put a hookup immediately on the opposite side of the exterior wall...think they would go up the wall into the attic space to bring the cable down to the wall next to the window that actually has outlets?

[peak cloak]

no

[south blade]

No huh,

[worthy coral]

Anyone have experience with MikroTik Routers? Are they easy to use or somewhat difficult? Any shortfalls?

[peak cloak]

RouterOS is kinda clunky

https://demo.mt.lv/

[worthy coral]

Ohhh. I see. I happened to come into possession of one and was gonna take it for a spin/lab with it for a bit.

[plain siren]

kinda

[worthy coral]

Interesting that it uses a 36 core CPU

[ornate jungle]

Ah yes, VLIW architecture - very specific use-cases, these have. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TILE-Gx

[plain siren]

With VLIW, you have to compile the software to take use of the specific amount of cores

So thats why it was never scaled

God damn it, my stupid ass setup SIP SMS Messaging over the SIP proxy forgetting you gonna need the Subscribe functionality in order to send the response back

all that work on the wrong layer

[worthy coral]

I think it’s crazy that MikroTik lets me download the latest RouterOS on this “discontinued” piece of hardware. From 6.13 to 7.16.2 released not that long ago, damn

[pseudo blade]

Everyone thinks their workload is big and special

Like the enterprise databases I keep seeing with single digit users and - gasp - tens of thousands of rows!

"We need Oracle DB" I think sqlite will do just fine actually

Hell anything but Oracle DB please

Back at the MSP I was tasked with moving an old onprem VM from 2c/8GB to Azure at something like 16c/64GB because the vendor insisted that their crappy little medical ASP.net webapp and mssql database needed it despite having two authorised users, no real performance requirements or demands and maybe a few hundred thousand records at best. Just idled and bled money

[pseudo blade]

Can be easy, can be very difficult. You'll spend more time working with/around hardware than you might with other vendors but it's easier to know what you'll get out of it once you get your head around the block diagrams. I've been working with them in businesses for a number of years now and am pretty familiar with the platform

[pseudo blade]

The pitfall of the Tilera-based units, for example is their very low CPU clock speed. The memory architecture of Tilera does not help.

So any task expecting high sequential CPU performance is going to suck despite all those CPU cores

BGP was a huge showstopper on RouterOS 6 for that reason as it ran on exactly one core

The Tilera CPUs are also weird and dead and the Linux kernel dropped support for them. Mikrotik still supports them but there's no new development around them, they switched to ARM on the newer products. So you can get upgrades now but in 3-4 years it'll finally run out of road

[pseudo blade]

I'm running a different Mikrotik (hEX) I got in 2018 for my lab for $60 US and it's still promised at least another 5 years of free support. I'm expecting that EoL announcement sooner or later but I'll have replaced it long before due to obsolescence

[pseudo blade]

Another unique pitfall of that specific model is also one of its strengths - No switching, only routing and bridging. Everything's straight to the CPU.
The newer stuff leans on L3 offloading on switch chips heavily (which they're getting better at but will never be possible for everything), this one just brute forces its way there with its unusually parallel CPU.

[plain siren]

I felt this in my bones

[plain siren]

Just wait until we do another U-Turn on this and FPGAs with Softswitch Features actually become a viable option everywhere

the amount of U-Turns and wild adjustments into different directions network hardware has taken makes everything else seem timid

[pseudo blade]

The funny part is FPGA's are kinda sorta the past of networking. Cisco used FPGAs for all sorts of IO and offload tasks but they're too expensive and slow to beat common-path ASICs and nobody seems to be rushing to change that

[plain siren]

Exactly.

We keep coming back around

this time with the idea of using a management coprocessor with FPGAs

A large one

the idea here is you can install all the features you need into the appliance and it becomes... well whatever

Interesting ideas come to mind with those capabilities. With a click of a button you can reconfigure entire datacenters and all the networking hardware in an instant

Switches become Firewalls, Routers become Switches, Firewalls become Gateways

Is this actually idea? no prob not you would select the hardware to match the need

but if I wanted to take an 8 port switch and make it an 8 port firewall and move it, that works

FPGAs being great at filtering can suddenly make for a great firewall

[pseudo blade]

I saw a similar argument for replacing CPUs with dedicated softcores that could be mutated based on workloads and the problem always came back to performance not being good enough for the common path

It's definitely a fun idea though

[plain siren]

P4 Programmable Switches!

[gilded kite]

anyone here using OPNsense and the IPsec VPNs?

[pseudo blade]

No, nobody has ever used anything, don't simply state your question as nobody will know the answer and you'll look silly or something idk

[plain siren]

Yeah this shit.

[pseudo blade]

Yeah so this is a thing

[plain siren]

You got programmable ASIC and then some sort of DPU CoProcessor

P4

[pseudo blade]

DPUs are interesting

[plain siren]

It can be ARM, X86, RISC-V,

[pseudo blade]

Never seen one on a mezzanine like that before though

[plain siren]

Uhhh MIPS (ew)

[pseudo blade]

MIPS is OK even if its not exactly the new hotness

[plain siren]

even the MIPS foundation is going RISC-V lol

[gilded kite]

I setup a few site to site ipsec VPNs via OPNsense with pre-shared keys. They somewhat recently added a new setup gui page for the VPNs and moved the old to "legacy", so I'm guessing they will deprecate at some point. In the new page, I can't see a way to setup a preshared key, so I worry all my VPNs will stop working when they roll out an update deprecating that feature

[pseudo blade]

MIPS architecture is apparently really commonly used in university courses so it's probably just the most familiar option for the designers

[plain siren]

https://opennetworking.org/stratum/

Part of the bigger ONF project but this I have toyed with in the virtual environment

Uses p4. The ONF Project is meant to make every single piece of the carrier functions programmable and virtualized if possible

[pseudo blade]

Not sure what it uses behind the scenes I'm afraid, but this sounds like a great question to post somewhere the devs frequent if you want to figure out their plans and priorities regarding it

[pseudo blade]

My understanding of such projects is they're kinda the other way - all on CPUs, but with data planes accessible to the user

Which is neat in its own way

As there's not really another way to "virtualise" or program them

It's all cool stuff, I wish I had the time or justification to play with it

[plain siren]

Honestly I still dont know to use P4. This is a little over my head and has architecture dependandt workflows

[pseudo blade]

Oh interesting

It's a DSL

[plain siren]

control ingress () {
     table routing {
          key = { hdr.ipv4.dstAddr : lpm; }
          actions = { drop; route; }
          size = 2048;
      }
      apply {
          routing.apply();
      }
}

I understand this.

https://p4.org/sandbox-page/
heres a fun little sandbox

[pseudo blade]

A very C/C++-like DSL

Yeah that looks very interesting

And it is designed to also run on FPGAs among other things

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge

[clear igloo]

Sir, I'll have you know this is a christan minecraft server and we'll have none of your devil hashtags!

[rocky badge]

Lmao

[waxen scroll]

Man. I remember Christian counter-strike servers lol....

@rocky badge @clear igloo what hes not telling us is that cybersecurity isnt like that at all. It's log jockey. It's barely understanding networking and security protocols. It's creating policy from misinformation.

[clear igloo]

#BlameTheNetwork
#NotFirewallFault
#DNSorsomething

[waxen scroll]

My favorite cyber story is we had a person, a CISSP or whatever it was, turn ALL the features on in a firepower because DUR SECURITY, and it took the traffic down for our entire datacenter in small random intervals to the point where it was impossible to track down

[clear igloo]

#FeaturesMakeMoreSecure 😛

[waxen scroll]

The internal interface would get clogged up

[rocky badge]

Sounds about right

[waxen scroll]

She did this and quit to be director level somewhere else, before the issues really started showing up.

Your cyber security management, folks!

At the same company: cyber engineers who cant explain how a static route works.

[clear igloo]

Don't you just use opsf for that?

[worthy coral]

I’m interested in different kinds of networking gear and wanting to lab different setups to see what each piece of equipment does.

This MikroTik was just running for years with nothing plugged into it at one of my work locations. We don’t use that brand anywhere else so I got to take it home.

I have some Ubiquiti gear, Cisco switches (and a 1921 router lol) and now this MikroTik router. It’s neat to see the different CLIs, GUIs, and limitations/ capacities of this gear.

[thick minnow]

Still have another airport express to add behind the Garage one but the cable in the ground brokie

[worthy coral]

Been a long while since I’ve seen AirPort Express/extremes in use

[thick minnow]

Theyre cheap asf

And are perfectly fine for what i need

[worthy coral]

True. Last I used them was when I worked at a school district

[thick minnow]

The expesses are 10 euro a piece

The extremes are like 20

The extremes do wifi AC

[worthy coral]

Damn that is cheap

[mortal oak]

Last I checked if it blocks all traffic it’s secure

[opal pagoda]

dont run copper data cables underground please
just use fiber

[worthy coral]

Mmm copper and water party.

[opal pagoda]

and add in 🌩️

poe ++++²

[worthy coral]

Oh I didn’t even realize

At work our infrastructure sucks. We keep hitting conduits or rats keep chewing the fiber cables, so many fiber runs keep dying we have to use PtP radios to keep our stuff connected

[opal pagoda]

only things that chews our fiber are sparkies but we have 2 rendundant paths back to dc for each access switch

[worthy coral]

Nice… all our shit is one chain link with no redundancy. So one fiber breaks, everything past it in the chain loses connectivity.

[opal pagoda]

yikes

also most of our fiber is underground conduits or up in the ceeling cable trays

[torn moth]

I am planning on getting NAS so I can backup my stuff. I was wondering how does QNAP and Synology compare? I wouldnt connect it to internet just my pc

[opal pagoda]

they are all pretty much the same - overpriced, underpowered mini pc with hot swap bays and propriatary firmware

[worthy coral]

Honestly you could buy yourself a nice cube shaped hot swap chassis and just build a mini ITX pc in it for probably cheaper

[lean palm]

just bought the cheapest camera NVR on amazon

lets see what it ties to access

[torn moth]

I looked at some cases and thinking of getting fractial desing node 304. IDK WHY this didnt come to mind. Gonna do more research and dive deeper in to the rabbit hole

[torn moth]

What and how should I pick my parts for the NAS?

[silent flax]

QNAP - while it is often the stupidity of the users for using the cloud features or putting their NAS directly on internet, there were few times when people had their NAS encrypted by bad actors through holes. I remember at least 2 such global incidents, might be more.
Synology - they like to use underpowered, nearly decade old hardware for $500-$1000 hardware.

[silent flax]

If you are willing to pay for it, Jonsbo N3/N4/N5 might be worth considering. Then you pick motherboard/CPU/RAM according to your needs and case choice.

[silent flax]

There is also an option to use something like the Ugreen NAS devices and put TrueNAS or OpenMediaVault on top of it instead of using the propiertary NAS system. I think Terramaster also allows 3rd party software OS, and probably few others too

[torn moth]

Yeah I saw lot of the security issues when googleing them and that really put me off from them

[torn moth]

Did some part picking and came up with this

I have built pc or two before so fully building is no problem

[silent flax]

12100F version has no IGP, you want IGP for a NAS/server. So get the 12100.

Depending on what you want from it, it might be fine, underpowered or overpowered.
What i mean is that for just file sharing, even 12100 might be too powerfull. But on other side, if you start adding various virtualizaton or docker stuff, you might want more RAM and/or CPU power. Check the PSU on tier list, you want reliable PSU for NAS

[torn moth]

What is the IGP version? I just choose second cheepest intel. Yeah its main purpose is file storage mayyyyybe some game server hosting in future

[silent flax]

F means no integrated graphics. So 12100F has no integrated graphics, 12100 has integrated graphics

[torn moth]

Oooh ok ok what about seprate cheap gpu in the pcie port?

[topaz patrol]

No

You're better off with the 12100

[silent flax]

i would recommend getting the 12100, using the x16 slot for a 8-port LSI card to add 8 more SATA ports and then use the x1 slot for 2.5 gigabit networking later down the line. Or get a board with 2.5 gigabit in the first place

[torn moth]

How would amd line up would compare? Guessing it would be slightly worse?

[silent flax]

AM4 CPUs have less usable IGP for transcoding, AM5 is probably more expensive

you could also consider used hardware from 6th generation Intel upwards

[torn moth]

Alright so gonna stick with intel

[topaz patrol]

Also AMD suckz

[torn moth]

What about OS and what file system would be good for a first timer that wouldnt mind reading some forums?

[torn moth]

Leave me and my gameing pc out of this lol

[topaz patrol]

Do you just want a NAS or do you want to do other fun stuff

[torn moth]

NAS for now but potentially other stuff in future when I have more room space and I have admin of the house internet

[topaz patrol]

Oh okay you'll probably just want to use TrueNAS Core

Or if you want to have docker containers and crap like that go for TrueNAS Scale

[torn moth]

Are they free?

[clear igloo]

Yes

I'd go TrueNAS Scale but that's what I use personally
Core is based on FreeBSD and Scale is Debian based

[torn moth]

Hows unraid? I have seen ltt use it few fair times

[silent flax]

final alternative is OpenMediaVault if you want a more open base OS compared to TrueNAS.
In short:
TrueNAS Core => BSD
TrueNAS Scale => Linux, but you can't really install anything to the base OS, so if you need some thing special (lm-sensors, pwmconfig, fancontrol in my case), tough luck
OpenMediaVault => Debian Linux

Unraid is paid based on number of hard drives

[topaz patrol]

I wouldn't touch unraid

[clear igloo]

There's also that one HexOS which Linus was talking about investing in

It's $99 though one time but is partnered with TrueNAS but simpler to use I believe

[torn moth]

How so?

[topaz patrol]

• Shit documentation
• Basically no user management
• Crap web ui
• Slow speeds and the cache is barely a cache
• No support for SSDs in the array
• The OS runs on a fucking USB flash drive in 2024
• License cost

[torn moth]

Any good MATX that would have eight sata ports? Or could I add them later on with a PCIE card?

[silent flax]

you can buy an old 8-port LSI card like 9211-8i for $30-$40 or so (maybe fake, whatever) plus two SFF-8087 -> 4xSATA cables

[torn moth]

What if I used all the sata ports on the mobo and then used pcie card sata ports? I found a decent 6x sata card

[silent flax]

sure, just saying that option is a very good option, but it's up to you in the end.

[torn moth]

IDK for now it will be like few drives so the pcie card would be enough

[opal pagoda]

Apparently chips are all real but Chinese create their own pcb and use real (but used and desoldered) lsi chips

[silent flax]

i know mine is from a chinese server manufacturer, so while yes, they could create fakes, the one i bought is more like 'custom design'. i mean LSI actually allows others to get a license make their old cards

i mean while it's China, i doubt a company of this size would risk lawsuits for something as simple as old LSI card designs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspur

also as an alternative, i bought an $30-$40 IBM M1015 branded LSI card way way long time ago. Ran 24/7 since then. So long time ago that i can't even remember when i bought it. Sometime around 2015 i suspect. That was either a pull or a fake too, but if it works, it works 🤷‍♂️

[opal pagoda]

Yup i bought this one https://www.ebay.com/itm/196519814705
Works fine

[torn moth]

Made some changes to the build how is it now?

[waxen scroll]

why are we talking about servers in the network room?

[clear igloo]

Why are you not asking questions in the networking room good sir!

wait....

[waxen scroll]

@clear igloo pls take it over to #linux

[clear igloo]

nou

[waxen scroll]

Yes, exactly, I'm trying.

[clear igloo]

Don't you look at me in that tone of voice good sir!

[waxen scroll]

Did you just assume my pronouns?

[clear igloo]

Did you assume my networking prowess? O_O

[opal pagoda]

this room should really be called infra

also would serve purpose so people dont just post speedtests

[waxen scroll]

I want to move to an enterprise networking server but @clear igloo found no good ones

[lean palm]

Lmao I bought unraid last night

Rip

[clear igloo]

@waxen scroll it's back
https://store.ui.com/us/en/products/ecs-aggregation?a_aid=LinusTechTips
lol

[waxen scroll]

oh dang

I dont see vxlan support

I am actually looking to buy spines that do 25G max

if these did vxlan it would be a good threat to get other vendors to ease up on prices

[clear igloo]

doesn't seem to even have OSPF support yet, lol
static routing support but VRRP coming

[worthy coral]

Ubiquiti slow af on those creature comfort features

[rocky badge]

@waxen scroll https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1h21hoo/ubiquiti_scammed_me/

[waxen scroll]

They shipped it separately tho

[rocky badge]

The support saying that there was a 2nd PSU in the pic was funny though

[raven crystal]

I have some questions. I'm planning on creating a Home Server/NAS at home and I was looking into the Mac Mini. I wanted to build a NAS that has all the hard drives and use the Mac Mini basically as the interface(GUI)/hardware accelerator for my home media without having to access the NAS.

If I build a NAS using an old PC would I install Plex on that or on the Mac Mini and link the folders to that drive?
Do I even need the Mac Mini if I install True NAS on the old PC?
I'm trying to wrap my head around this and I'm not sure what to do

[opal pagoda]

i dont understand what you need mac mini for?

[raven crystal]

Wouldn't I need one to run everything?

So how would I create access control for people that I wanted to be able to access just specific folders outside of Plex? Like create a folder where only one person can access so they can store stuff?
I wanted to create a NAS to store documents, photos, videos for each member of my family and then share my movies and videos with everyone.

[ornate jungle]

You would install something like TrueNAS or https://hexos.com/ on the NAS as the management interface, and in the case of HexOS, even allows you to easily spin-up "apps" like Plex, Immich, Home Assistant, Jellyfin, etc.

[raven crystal]

So I would use TrueNas Scale or HexOS or something like that and manage my RAID NAS that way? Can I use windows too?

How would I access my server outside the home?

[blissful kestrel]

why is hexos payed too? i mean yeah user friendly and support the developers, but why is there no free test version? like with unraid, or is it too early beta

[ornate jungle]

This has been covered Linus on various WANshows. HexOS is more or less just TrueNAS, but with more polish for the unexperienced home user. If you're tech savvy, or don't care about having an easy to use interface, use TrueNAS for free. https://nascompares.com/news/hexos-ama-user-questions-answered/

[raven crystal]

Can I setup a Minecraft server with TrueNas Scale?

[ornate jungle]

The answers you seek are just a google away... 😛 https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/1c6yzl9/install_minecraft_server_with_truenas_scale/

[blissful kestrel]

oh lol, i have unraid, dont like it, might just not gonna buy a licence and scrap the idea of a nas with diffrent drives and redundancy, i dont like hex os too, theres just no free software that can raid togehter diffrent drives with redundancy

[ornate jungle]

Keep in mind that your hardware dictates what and how much you can run on the NAS. If you build something with only 4GB RAM, don't expect to run Plex, file shares, and Minecraft with 100 mods for 50 friends.

[blissful kestrel]

i have 32 gigs of ddr3 ram in my "nas" lol

[raven crystal]

How would I access my server outside of home?

[ornate jungle]

Port Forwarding, though this can be woefully unsafe. Otherwise a Reverse Proxy works nicely.

[raven crystal]

Hmmm, how do you setup a reverse proxy if you don't mind me asking

Right now I've been testing using Tailscale VPN to access my test server

But that requires everyone to turn on the VPN to access the server

[ornate jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/nz1blm/tutorial_for_reverse_proxy_setup_local_servers/

[raven crystal]

Sounds complicated lol

I'll have to check it out tho thanks, does my VPN system work though?

This all seems very complicated, I wish it was simpiler lol

[torn moth]

Would it be smarter to buy fewer but bigger capaity HDD or more but smaller capaity HDD for a home NAS?

[ornate jungle]

Using a VPN so you're effectively routing all connections through your home network technically does work, but you're adding latency and will be limited to whatever your home internet speed is. Would work though.

[ornate jungle]

Depends on your goals and how many drives your system can support. More drives means you could choose a RAID setup that allows more disks to fail before you lost your data, but it's usually more cost effective to buy fewer larger drives, both because larger drives are usually cheaper per TB and every NAS has limited drive capacity.

[torn moth]

I dont need that much space since I only want to make a backup of my pc and my main two drives are 2 tb each and they arent full.

The motherboard I was planning to get has four sata ports so it would be better idea to go 4 tb x 4 since I can more fail safe but still have enough room for stuff?

[waxen scroll]

@rocky badge why no UBNT in this image 😦

[silent flax]

there is also https://www.snapraid.it/ but never actually used it.

[blissful kestrel]

should have said that five minutes earlyer 😭

[silent flax]

i have no experience with snapraid tho, just that it could be similar solution. In any case, you can at least try out both

[blissful kestrel]

im just gonna use unraid for now

[silent flax]

They work well together to replicate a similar type of " JBOD parity" system as unraid uses. The difference here being that unraid does the parity calculations in real-time (and therefore seriously hurts write performance) vs SnapRAID which does the calcuations on a timed basis every X time period.

https://perfectmediaserver.com/02-tech-stack/snapraid/

[blissful kestrel]

oh lol, didnt know

[silent flax]

if you have Unraid working, then you could use the next year to evaluate (maybe on some smaller, older hard drives) if you can migrate over to Snapraid and if it fits your usage patterns (SnapRAID is better for rarely changing content, like media libraries etc, as it does parity calculations only once in a while). If it does and you will be fine with it, then you can plan your migration while you have working unraid system 🤷‍♂️

[jade canopy]

Question so I live in the country with no fiber internet can I have people come out and install It?

Like have the cable layed so I can get At&tT or something

[topaz patrol]

You can get fibre anywhere, but it won't be cheap :)

[jade canopy]

how would I get that started?

[topaz patrol]

Contacting the service provider of your choice. (It will almost certainly be a business service)

It will involve a build cost, usually 5+ figures, a contract term and a $300-900MRC

Depends how "in the country" you are

Often just a quote will be >$1000

[jade canopy]

Gotcha

[topaz patrol]

It's not a cheap endeavor, so it's worth exhausting all other connectivity options first

[jade canopy]

Yea I see that now lol

We have starlink right now so just seeing if we had any other options

[topaz patrol]

You don't happen to be in Australia, do you?

[jade canopy]

nope live in the "great state of mississippi"

[topaz patrol]

Ah

Give me a moment I may know someone who can help

[jade canopy]

ok

[topaz patrol]

Northern or Southern MS?

[jade canopy]

Southern

[topaz patrol]

Can't be of help sorry 🙂

[jade canopy]

All good starlink Is holding us for now but always looking for something better

[topaz patrol]

Starlink is definitely your best option at the moment

[jade canopy]

Real question Is does this cmd in your bio work

[solemn otter]

anyone good w wordpress, ssl, cloudflare

im tryna set up wordpress server on ubuntu but the SSL cert is being REALLY weird