networking

[peak cloak]

I see they use 802.1x wifi auth

[rocky badge]

Yeah

[peak cloak]

apparently we have a HPC

[rocky badge]

We don't lol, we use AWS or ORNL's

I think you can request time on Summit if you need it

[peak cloak]

hmmmm lastpass

[rocky badge]

my uni uses SSO for everything

well, most stuff, some stuff isn't sso

[peak cloak]

same

but still

duo mfa too

[rocky badge]

ms mfa here

[peak cloak]

lucky

ms > duo IMO

[rocky badge]

yeah

[peak cloak]

why can't it be normal TOTP

security keys not supported either

[rocky badge]

we can't do security keys

[peak cloak]

really? I could at my CC

[rocky badge]

nope :(

[rocky badge]

dang

they prefer if you use MS auth but they allow the rest

https://etsu.hosted.panopto.com/Panopto/Pages/Viewer.aspx?id=3d1a3754-53e4-4bf9-938d-ad5700da5b57&start=0.4658

lol apparently that is a real ms account in the directory

@peak cloak What's your uni's network like

[peak cloak]

wdym

[rocky badge]

cisco, aruba, etc?

[peak cloak]

no clue

[rocky badge]

oh lol

vault.erau.edu

[tribal coral]

i am trying to configure my truenas and i have a couple of questions. first of all i cant seem to get permissions to my main user(me) that i can make new maps in teh main map. i can only work in the map assigned to me. how do i change that? the second question is what is the best way to enable internet acces to the nas. this needs to be secure cuz i am storing some company data on there.

[chrome pollen]

ide do it just for a project

[unborn sluice]

do it for the memes

[chrome pollen]

xD

[cunning lion]

MUCH better today

[peak cloak]

use a vpn

tailscale, zerotier are ones that are super easy since they are kinda centerlized, but still p2p

need central server for nat hole punch

[tribal coral]

do you know a good guide to set up a vpn on truenas? and wich ones are the safest

[tribal coral]

i do want to run everything of my own system if posible, this is because of government regulation that no information might be stored outside of the eu(no american servers can be involved)

[peak cloak]

hmm, traffic itself doesn't go though thier servers

but there are selfhosted implementations

then you might as well host a wireguard server or open vpn server

[thick minnow]

i have a problem. for some reason my ethernet is limited to 10MBs i cant find anything in router settings

i have no idea what to do

also idk what should i search in google

[waxen scroll]

new cables?

[thick minnow]

its not cable

something in controllers is wrong

but idk what to do

prob smh in controller on pc

[astral spire]

you might need chipset or lan drivers for your motherboard

[thick minnow]

i upgraded my pc today tech guy saw my motherboard and said that motherboard should be fine

[astral spire]

yeah just look up drivers for it

[thick minnow]

i look to driver but all that i can change is smh in ipv 6

i dont see where i can increase limit

[peak cloak]

usually when that happens it's the cable or connector

[astral spire]

yeah if it's missing a pair it drops the speed

[sudden kayak]

yeah it's almost certainly the cable or the switch/router on the other end

[thick minnow]

hold on i migh found it

i set it to 1gbit and still nothing

i can try neighbors cable

that might help trubleshooting

[twilit lichen]

So my home server is up and running, my pc is able to access it but my fathers can’t. All are on the same network, all networks settings are the same, but it wont show up on my dads Pc

[ruby geyser]

Hey everyone, I’ve recently started to get into networking and server stuff to improve my home network and smart home solution. I have some questions but don’t want to annoy anyone as I have a variety of questions. Would anyone be willing to help? Thanks

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @peak cloak apparently my old school's IT didn't label all of the ports

like none of the ports are labeled

[clear igloo]

yah, was just about to say

[rocky badge]

Only WAP ports

and not even where, just that they are APs

[clear igloo]

Oh, thanks, WAP, so easy to locate, lol

not even numbers which could correspond to a more detailed sheet

[rocky badge]

Yeah

Some racks are labeled, some aren't

[clear igloo]

Are they just labeled "copper" or "port"?

[rocky badge]

no

[clear igloo]

So properly labeled some things, I guess it's better than nothing?

[rocky badge]

Some are labeled the room

which is fuckall useless when the room has like 30 drops

[clear igloo]

Of course

[rocky badge]

the jacks are kinda labeled

but there doesn't seem to be a standard

[clear igloo]

yah, just a jumbled mess of stuff

[rocky badge]

here's a rack thats labeled

some of the labeling is printed and some is handwritten

but what F11 jack is it going to

Then that orange fiber going into an converter at the top goes out to the football stadium

[clear igloo]

lol

[inland creek]

that just scares me

I can't even keep my monitor cables neat

anyone got experience with the AmpliFi Alien by ubiquiti or whatever it is called?

[barren elk]

has anyone worked with Syncthing? trying to set it up to work locally but it keeps randomly connecting only via relay

it appears to be working if its not set to dynamic ip to find the device automatically in the network, but i have a laptop for example that will use 2 different (but still permanent) local IPs depending on wifi or ethernet connection

[meager ginkgo]

I have Ubiquiti access points but not the AmpliFi in specific

[waxen scroll]

IT is not responsible for port labels

the low voltage cable contractor is

[sudden kayak]

iirc the amplifi stuff is nothing special. just an attempt to rebrand their existing stuff as gamery

[meager ginkgo]

I wouldn't trust Ubiquiti mesh that much either tbh

[tired imp]

Friends, I got an old laptop from a friend with 1tb HDD, I will put proxmox on it, what would be a good OS to run as a VM to put most of this disk available on the network? I would make a ~30gb virtual disk to the VM and attach a 800gb virtual disk to it.

[meager ginkgo]

You're looking for NAS software?

[tired imp]

I think so 🤔

[unborn sluice]

why

[meager ginkgo]

Look at TrueNAS or Nextcloud

[tired imp]

I want to have some disks available to other compuer on my LAN, is this outlandish?

[meager ginkgo]

You want TrueNAS I think then

[tired imp]

Is there something more lightweight around? This will be a VM, I wanted to give it 1 core tbh

[vagrant bay]

Lookup Open Media Vault

[tired imp]

Found about it! Just installed and checking it out 😄 Cheers friends

[hearty ferry]

should i get a ethernet adapter?

[vagrant bay]

Wired is always better than wireless

[hearty ferry]

yeah im just wondering which one because my router is downstairs so i need help

[astral spire]

intel are usually the best bet, most compatibility

[hearty ferry]

alright

i have a ethernet port in my pc so im pretty sure that'd work with ethernet right

[astral spire]

yeah then you don't need a separate adapter

[hearty ferry]

aight so i just need 1

do you know any good cables?

[peak cloak]

cat 6

that will work just fine

anything more is overkill and imo a waste of money, unless you are maybe doing in wall cabling you never want to open again

[hearty ferry]

alright

[hearty ferry]

my router is downstairs so im thinking of getting a usb ethernet adapter

[rocky badge]

@peak cloak

ah yes, Corporate.local

they don't even have Cortana disabled or anything lol

[drowsy fossil]

where I work, the basic IT strategy is dont touch anything we dont need to

[cursive vine]

basic knowledge

[drowsy fossil]

we dont touch cortana for example

[young parcel]

Hi can someone help me? would it better to use mesh wifi or just use multiple AP configured with same ssid and different channels? i got ethernet line in the whole house

[meager ginkgo]

Multiple APs would be preferable. Something like UniFi or TP Link Omada would suffice

[young parcel]

you mean tplink eap?

why choose multiple ap tho? im not really sure the advantages over the other

[meager ginkgo]

Multiple APs are meant for applications where you have ethernet and are looking to expand the coverage of your wifi.

Mesh systems typically are designed for wireless communication between each other but since you have ethernet you wouldn't be using the mesh part so it would be kind of useless.

[young parcel]

ah i see

thanks man

[solid patrol]

Looking for a little help - A client has had new IP cameras installed but when the security company connects their switch, it shuts down the network.

Known factors:
The security company installed an NVR and PoE switch, but in separate rooms.
Their switch is in the MDF and was connected to the client's primary managed switch.
Disconnecting the security company's switch resolves the issue.

What is the most likely cause, and why do you think so?

[rocky badge]

broadcast storm?

[solid patrol]

I thought it was a bandwidth issue, but this makes more sense

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

i don’t think their live streaming is using 45mbps up O_O

[clear igloo]

lol, wow

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo

occupancy sensor on bottom and then an UAP-AC-M lol

[clear igloo]

lol

[rocky badge]

no clue what the device with the 7 segments is

[waxen scroll]

210 people tried to steal something

[rocky badge]

ohh that’s that thing cool

i’ve never seen it out like that lol

[lucid imp]

That doesn't guarantee its all live stream data - if they have other BlackMagic devices on the network it could be the device to device traffic as the ATEM is often the center point

[rocky badge]

it doesn’t

the atem doesn’t send any additional video over the network

only the output RTMP stream, the rest of the network is just device controls

[waxen scroll]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124817100194

[ocean knot]

hi, is anyone looking for a free video editor for their youtube? lets link up, dm me :)

[chrome pollen]

umm, this is the networking channel dude

[lament ravine]

i am

[ocean knot]

oh wow sorry thought it meant people networking lol

[chrome pollen]

oh lmao

its all good

[thick minnow]

Hey guys I have a issue with my Internet Speed. I usually get 50 to 60 mbts download but when ever i download smth in steam it only uses 4 to 5 mbts can anybody help?

[clear igloo]

Bits vs bytes

8 bits in a byte
Steam, Origin, etc show bytes (MB/s)
Internet speed is sold in bits (Mb/s)
You're getting the right speed just different units

[thick minnow]

So im getting 5 Megabytes?

[clear igloo]

Yes

Steam and the downloaders show in bytes by default, you can change it in settings to show bits instead if you want it to match your speedtest results but it's just a conversion is all

[thick minnow]

how can i make it faster?

[clear igloo]

You are getting the speed in the speedtests, there is no "faster" without paying for faster internet

[thick minnow]

ok im going to switch to fiberglas internet is it better? Or do u have anything i can add to get better internet like a router

[peak cloak]

Fiber yes, it's generally faster, but it all depends on what package you have

[thick minnow]

a 500Mbits

[peak cloak]

Yes, that'll be faster

10x faster

[thick minnow]

Is a 1Gbyte Internet speed getable?

[peak cloak]

Gigabit yes

[thick minnow]

byte?

[peak cloak]

Not really, that'll need 10gigbit

[thick minnow]

for me money is a notalk (no problem) i need FAST

[peak cloak]

Which is always possible with enough money, but we are talking in the thousands if your area doesn't have it, which it most likely doesn't have

[thick minnow]

I live in vienna

[peak cloak]

If it doesn't have it, it would prob require laying cable, etc. Which is very expensive, thousands of euros/dollars

Most people don't need 10gig

I don't even have gigabit, even though I can

[thick minnow]

I need it bc i have 2 Apartmants

and i am going to sell the internet

thats why i asked

[peak cloak]

Talk to local utility provider

You don't want to do it yourself unless you know what you are doing

Or it will be a mess and people will hate you

[thick minnow]

yes ofc

[thick minnow]

Im planning to do a network base like a little room and all rooms in the apartmant will get Internet via fiber and they will pay me monthly

Is it a good idea?

[hollow island]

I am setting up OpenWRT on my router and Desktops have a internet connection but connecting my phone to the wifi it connects but says "No Internet" but i'm able to login into the router from my phone, Firewall rules seem good and in the wireless interface it's assigning an IP to the device what could be the issue?

[peak cloak]

That's very vague

Will they get public IPs? CGNAT? The specifics are more important

[thick minnow]

eight

[peak cloak]

Not one really sells 8 gig, it's either 1, 1.5, 2, 5, or 10

[thick minnow]

oh I thought you were saying 10Gb = 1GB

nvm

[hollow marlin]

We provide transit for a few smaller SPs and most of them have base packages starting at either 250/500mbps down and only one of them has finally exceeded their 10G waves and netflow shows around 8k unique souce IPs. So yes, 10G for apartment building is excessive.

[rocky badge]

i wonder what my isp has lol

[thick minnow]

lol my isp does't have any of these

its 50, 100, 300, 600, 900, 1200, 6000

[meager ginkgo]

Comcast?

[thick minnow]

you know it

trying to convince my family to not rent the hardware

and not keep the ap in a cabinet

[ember basin]

if im mostly doing casual gaming servers and some content streaming/hosting, would wifi be good enough for my servers? what cable is recommended for a new installation?

[thick minnow]

Well what speeds are you getting

i mean wired is much more reliable but if you don't need 99% uptime you're probably fine if you have decent speed

[ember basin]

the speeds aren't terrible, i guess

i could probably spend instead on wifi upgrades

[drowsy fossil]

how many servers is "servers"

any more than 3 would be best suited by investing in a switch

[patent loom]

I'm trying to change bundle mode to install mode on a Cisco 9200

What command I should use
I'm totally new to this and I have contact with Cisco product for the first time ever

Anyone can help me with this?

[ember basin]

i have a 4 port switch and a 4 port router, but they're both gbe

[clear igloo]

conf t
no boot system bootflash:blah.bin
boot system bootflash:packages.conf
exit
copy r s
install add file bootflash:blah.bin activate commit

bundle mode boots from the .bin file itself
install mode boots from the conf file and expands the .bin into packages

[patent loom]

Alright....

I have 2 bin files rn

Because I messed up first install

And it switched to bundle mode

So I started following random web articles and tried doing it again

Now I have 2 bin files of different versions

[clear igloo]

ok, well you're booted into one version, which of the two do you want to boot off of into install mode?

[patent loom]

So... Right now it's running 17.03.05 from bundle mode
I heard I need to do a downgrade first so I'm trying to make it not boot from this, but from 17.03.03 I prepared

[clear igloo]

Nope

If you're booted in bundle mode you can still boot into install mode with the same version

[patent loom]

Sorry it's not a screenshot but I can't use discord on that machine

[patent loom]

Oh
With the commands you listed above?

[clear igloo]

Yup

There was a time when 'no boot system' wouldn't work and you had to specify the directory and image afterwards, I don't have a Cat9K on hand this moment to triple check but I think on 17.x you can just do 'no boot system' and it will clear it just fine

you can do show bootvar to check it's been cleared

[patent loom]

What is Copy R S?

[clear igloo]

copy run start, saves the config

So it writes the boot variable so it knows what to boot from on reload and doesn't boot back into the old image / bundle mode 🙂

[patent loom]

"ambiguous command"

[clear igloo]

or 'write' does the same thing

[patent loom]

That does it

[clear igloo]

Do a show bootvar and make sure it shows packages.conf as the only image, and no .bin files

[patent loom]

I'll see in a moment

You are saving me rn thank you 🙏

[clear igloo]

No worries 🙂
Done hundreds of these installs of various types so some of the commands blur together

After it's done and you're booted into install mode it's always good to do a 'install remove inactive' and let it clean up the old .bin and package files to free up space

[patent loom]

I read about that, Def. Gonna do it

[clear igloo]

Yah, you can do it manually with just delete bootflash:(filename).extension or some regex patterns but that's a lot of repetitive junk 🙂

[patent loom]

Okay

it worked

[clear igloo]

Excellent 🙂

[lost frost]

Hello i have a question. I purchased a network switch Netgear GS108. i plugged router into the GS108 and the wifi router to the GS108. But now when plugging my ethernet into my pc it says unidentified network and wont connect through ethernet. iv watched many videos and tried a lot of things but still no luck on getting internet.

[sudden kayak]

can you clarify what you mean by "router" and "wifi router" and which ports you're plugging in where?

[lost frost]

so my internet i have one main router. then there is a wifi router

i have the router and then the modem i guess it would be called?

[sudden kayak]

right so you probably have a modem and then a router doing NAT

and if you have a second router plugged into the first one, it'll end up double NATing which will break some things

[lost frost]

if i plug my ethernet straight into the modem no issues

[sudden kayak]

is it owned by your ISP or something you bought

[lost frost]

the modem and router are from the internet company we just got fiber but the moden has one ethernet slot so we got a switch

[crystal oriole]

so its like Wall - > Modem -> Switch -> Router ?

[lost frost]

Yes i actually finally just figured it out. i guess these modems and routers you have to plug the switch into the modem? lol

it is working now

[clear igloo]

You need to go modem > (WAN port) router (LAN Port) > (any port) switch
modem > switch > things will cause a ton of issues, mainly the first device to ask for a public IP will get it and nothing else will. You'll need to power cycle the modem usually to get it to refresh and give the router a new IP

[lost frost]

Thank you I really appreciate all the help

[obtuse cypress]

https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/82042

yay, my life today

[waxen scroll]

#linux might be better

[obtuse cypress]

huh?

[waxen scroll]

someone deleted the thing I replied to

[obtuse cypress]

oh ok

[obtuse cypress]

All pre-upgrade check(s) passed. You can proceed with the upgrade.
nsx-test>```

yaaaaas

[tidal spindle]

Verizon 5G Router and Tmobile 5G Router plugged into Qnap server
Virtualize Openwrt (smoothwan edition) on Qnap
Qnap to unmanaged switch

Could I use my qnap as a router like this?

[peak cloak]

Theoretically yes?

Does it have multiple nics?

I wouldn't recommend it tho

[tidal spindle]

yes

[tidal spindle]

elaborate please.

[peak cloak]

Prob bad performance, and also virtualizing core routers can be a pain

I would just get a dedicated box with dual wan support

[tidal spindle]

I have dual wan rn. I'm more interested in bonding them than failover or aggregation

Also my hardware is better than most routers. Not sure if that matters.

[peak cloak]

You cant combine for higher bandwidth for a single connection

[tidal spindle]

I can.

https://github.com/TalalMash/SmoothWAN/?#readme

Works beautifully with an rpi.

[peak cloak]

Unless it connects to a server on the other end

Idk what it does, but sure you can try

[tidal spindle]

Yeah speedify handles that. Smoothwan is a community hacked firmware image of Openwrt with Speedify integrated

I just didn't wanna do all this work and then the performance is ass

Because of my ignorance

[sudden kayak]

a free vpn service is almost certainly not going to work well or improve performance here

also it sounds like they have a data cap and block video streaming

use your own VPS and host the upstream end yourself

also if you're describing it as a hacked version of openwrt, it kinda sounds like you don't understand what openwrt is so maybe you should do a lot more reading first

bottom line is, multi wan bonding is complicated and usually not worth the trouble, unless you're already an advanced user

[tidal spindle]

@sudden kayak Huh?
It's not free.
They don't have a data cap or block video streaming
I've been using openwrt for a decade? They (smoothwan) literally describe it themselves as a hacked version of openwrt

No idea where you got those ideas from and it wasn't helpful at all, just passive aggressive. Move on.

[sudden kayak]

you can't really hack openwrt if it's open source. you don't really sound like you know what you're talking about...

[tidal spindle]

It's terminology. It's not hacked as in deob'd

I'm here for support, go do something

[sudden kayak]

I'm trying to help by pointing out that a commercial vpn is usually not a good idea or a good value relative to just using a VPS and running your own private & secure exit node, if multi wan bonding is really what you want

[tidal spindle]

You said it wasn't going to work and would have bad performance, which I already said the Rpi worked beautifully. Then you assumed a bunch of things about the service that wasn't true.

I'm asking about the cons of virtualizing router OS on my qnap

[sudden kayak]

if the rpi worked beautifully that still doesn't tell you much about how it will work on a qnap... especially virtualized. i really doubt it will go well

[tidal spindle]

Right, which is why I'm asking

Because I have no clue

[sudden kayak]

I'm trying to provide an answer - it will probably not have adequate performance

[tidal spindle]

I'll take you and the last guys word for it but could you elaborate

Even if it's a tldr gross over simplification

[sudden kayak]

encrypting and decrypting as well as "breaking apart" the traffic into multiple streams for bonding takes a lot of cpu performance

that combined with the overhead of virtualization (aside from general inconvenience and reliability issues that virtualizing your router can cause) means it's probably gonna be heavily performance bottlenecked

i don't know the exact throughput breakdown between your wan connections, but I'd guess it won't get you much additional speed compared to just a single one

i would probably say to run the same software (openwrt with smoothwan) or something like pfsense/opnsense on a dedicated box on bare metal

[tidal spindle]

Alright. I'll go failover then. I'm having bufferbloat issues. Would and edgerouter 4 be good?

Just slap sqm on, dual wan failover, call it a day?

I'm on the er605 rn with no qos or sqm

[sudden kayak]

probably good yeah... i mean there's no reason you can't do multi wan bonding with more powerful hardware. just unlikely to do well on the qnap

failover will definitely be fine though even on the qnap since it's pretty much just standard forwarding... doesn't need to do anything tricky with the packets

[tidal spindle]

multi-wan bonding seems a bit out of my depths by myself. I'll double back to it when I get some more networking under my belt

Problem I'm having rn is ping. Bufferbloat is affecting it heavy.

[sudden kayak]

yeah it's niche enough that it's likely to cause more problems than it solves, even if the hardware is powerful enough

but yeah decent qos should help a lot there

[tidal spindle]

alright, I'll grab a edgerouter. Why is the solution always more money?

Ty for the help

[sudden kayak]

lol that's the curse of homelab networking 😭 good luck though!

[peak cloak]

bufferbloat is very rarely a router issue

most often than not it's upstream

.

[tidal spindle]

I haven't really got a good explanation on how bufferbloat is on the ISP's side. I've read people state it. Though, I travel a lot and sqm has fixed at least half a dozen of my home networks when it comes to stabilizing ping for gaming/voip calls. It's night/day.

@peak cloak

[peak cloak]

sqm?

[tidal spindle]

smart queue management. qos algorithm.

[peak cloak]

ah qos

yes, by limiting speed you will "fix" bufferbloat

.

[tidal spindle]

I can set bandwidth limiters fine on my current routers. It doesn't do anything at any %.

So that bit of information isn't true.

[peak cloak]

idk much about qos and policing traffic, maybe @hollow marlin can answer your questions

[tidal spindle]

I can set my bandwidth at 5,10,15 or any % and it doesn't fix bufferbloat. It's also a known issue with these 5g routers.

I'll leave that here for him if he comes around.

[cinder whale]

Is it possible to put a M.2 PCIE to PCI-e x 4 Adapter on motherboard And use M.2 wireless card like Intel AX210 on a PC?

[pseudo blade]

You need an E-key M.2 slot adaptor but yes

[hollow marlin]

It's because it has nothing to do with buffer bloat. As Present quoted my previous post, true buffer bloat is due to deep buffers (deeper than most consumer routers can handle) which cause traffic to be queued for too long
What most refer to as buffer bloat is basic queuing and congestion. If you saturate either upload/download, you're going to experience latency/loss and if frequent, no amount of QoS will solve the problem because traffic will have to be dropped or queued. This also varies depending on the traffic type (TCP/UDP)

[tidal spindle]

I've had toggling sqm stabilize various network setups over the last 5+ years. Off by default and I have voip issues. The problems were repeatable. I toggle sqm, I have no issues. Flent reflects that the changes are effective.

[hollow marlin]

@tidal spindle Yeah, basic QoS will alleviate VOIP issues and is pretty common practice, but again that's not true buffer bloat.
The major problems are on the ingress (download) direction. QoS is for shaping/policing OUTBOUND traffic. You have no control over inbound and if you're saturating inbound, your going to have latency/jitter from the provider queuing.
The only control you have is policing TCP downstream of your router in order to make use of TCP congestion algorithm to throttle back for other traffic.

Again, this can only be used to a point

[tidal spindle]

I have 5g home internet routers that are known to be bad. horrible. it's commonly fixed with shaping the outbound traffic.

plenty of anecdotal evidence on it.

[hollow marlin]

I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's standard QoS best practices. I'm just saying there is a limit.

[tidal spindle]

It also seems like Sqm shapes the ingress

A lot of threads about it on the wrt forums

[worn viper]

Should I get tp link ax20 or Xiaomi ax3200 the tp link costs a bit more

[subtle knot]

I've moved into a new house, and my Cat6 cable has gotten squished by the door it has to sneak under. RIP me I guess, capped at 100Mbps.

[sudden kayak]

i mean it's not the same level of bufferbloat as something you can cause by poorly configuring a big router upstream somewhere... but it's very much the same phenomenon and sqm can definitely alleviate it. that's the point

[shadow bluff]

currently using ax20 myself, its pretty good for medium sized houses. if you are in its range, the connection are very stable.

considering you might need it to reach longer ranges / have thick walls, access points/higher end routers should do the trick

[worn viper]

Does it handle airlink / tv casting for example well?
Thank you btw

[shadow bluff]

at that point airlink will limit your bandwidth instead
generally the router can do anything really well
if you wanna have more confidence i suggest maybe going for tp link ax73

that cost much more though

[hollow marlin]

Its not the same level nor falls under the same umbrella. Bufferbloat in the true sense is at the interface level that are congested and buffers are so deep and traffic queue long enough for timeouts to occur. This buffer is along the lines of 750ms to even 1s+.

When a customer has a plan for say 500/50mbps and the provider is shaping that rate, the buffers are far more shallow and during times of congestion, traffic may be queued for 10s of ms. This isn't bloated buffers, this is standard rate-limiting.

There is a stark difference between the two. One is misconfiguration or trying to combat over subscription, the other is standard rate-limiting. They are not the same and I hate that it the terms have been conflated with each other

QoS on the customer side can alleviate some of the symptoms but you're still subject to typically ingress (download) traffic patterns such as TCP windowing and briefly consuming the throughput or UDP streams consuming throughput because their lack of congestion algorithms

[sudden kayak]

that's not what I'm saying though - I've seen plenty of examples of actual bufferbloat in CPE in real life with 250-500ms latency (due to the same kind of misconfiguration). properly implemented QoS helps a lot because it's the same phenomenon - it's separate from rate limiting

i understand that rate limiting to a particular speed plan also impacts that - but I'm talking about actual bufferbloat just to a lesser degree because as you said, consumer routers usually don't have big enough buffers to see 1 or more seconds of latency

[hollow marlin]

Thats basic queuing during burst. If shaping is being done, you're going to have queued traffic which you can be prioritize at your discretion. If the provider is choosing to use policing instead, you'll instead experience packet loss. These are forms of rate-limiting.

Bufferbloat is revolved around total interface buffer. This is within the SP's network, not at the CPE.

[waxen scroll]

its a good practice to shape towards the PE on the CPE tho

[hollow marlin]

The provider CPE is not always handling the rate-limiting though. From the customer's perspective, yeah shaping is best practice below line-rate

[waxen scroll]

I've found with MPLS carriers it makes things work so much better

its rarely line rate

[broken jetty]

How can I test my LAN speed?

The speed to my Samba share is extremely slow and I'm not sure whether to blame Samba or the network yet.

I know I'm missing something because people edit videos over network shares, I just don't know what

But every piece of software that's related to home networking (including Samba) seems to not have been updated past the bare minimum since the 90s

[waxen scroll]

look into a tool called iperf

most people are keeping a local copy of the files they need to work on I think. the ones using a NAS to edit video direct usually have insane devices. 10G+, raid cards, caches, etc

[peak cloak]

I wouldn't port forward jellyfin. I use tailscale and VPN in. But if you insist, public is what IP it will listen on, IP is what it will forward to, and private port is what port it will forward to

So you can put 8086 for both. But if you expose it public, setting up HTTPS is very highly recommend

[thick minnow]

I literally have never heard about that software nor know how to work it

[thick minnow]

I am setting a linux VM for getting a certificate but will do that later first need to tackle this

[peak cloak]

Tailscale is a service that provides an easy VPN to access private internal networks . It's every easy to setup

When you put stuff public, you have to deal with keeping it up to date, secure, etc. I don't feel like doing that

Have to put an ip

[thick minnow]

I removed to take a screenshot but nothing the port is still closed

[peak cloak]

Your internal IP

That stuff is not identifying at all

10.x.x.x, 192.168.x.x are both ranges reserved for LAN

[thick minnow]

I am looking into this cuz i think it if i figure this out it'll be even easier

[peak cloak]

Initially easier maybe, sucure, it depends. As you get more into homelab and stuff, the easiest way isn't always the best way. There are multiple sides. Like exposing jellyfin is easier for the end user since they don't have to connect to VPN, but there would be measures I would take like putting it behind a reverse proxy so everything is on https and on port 443. Also behind a virtual host so someone needs to know domain as well to connect to it, not just scan the IP and be able to see it.

Fail2ban, etc.

[thick minnow]

you talked about this right?

[peak cloak]

Yes

[thick minnow]

i am clueless cuz i am using that value but still the port is showing its closed

[peak cloak]

do you have a public IP?

what are the first 2 octects of Internet/WAN IP in router

[thick minnow]

without revesre proxy can tailscale be used to access remotely

[peak cloak]

yes

no portforwarding

[broken jetty]

I did, it gave extremely erratic results.

[peak cloak]

you can either install tailscale directly on jellyfin, or install on seperate VM/Device as a subnet router that way you can access whole LAN remotly

[broken jetty]

Fair enough, but it took me five minutes to transfer 60MB of files

[peak cloak]

https://tailscale.com/kb/1019/subnets/

[broken jetty]

And there was very sparing documentation

[meager ginkgo]

what's on this wall?

@zealous ledge

[zealous ledge]

another outlet

[meager ginkgo]

looks like two things

is it only one?

[zealous ledge]

yes

the other thing was an empty box

[meager ginkgo]

was it just a hole into the wall? that's likely for low voltage such as coax or ethernet

[zealous ledge]

yeah

just a hole

[meager ginkgo]

it's probably for ethernet or coax then.. check it next time u visit

[zealous ledge]

alright

if it is ethernet thats nice but its not on the side that i want it to be but at least i have it

[meager ginkgo]

Is carpet going there?

Just run the cable under the baseboard to where you want it

[zealous ledge]

no idea

[blazing mantle]

what’s a good wifi adapter that isn’t crazy expensive

[waxen scroll]

you might have a cable issue

if one part is wireless you might have an oversubscribed channel issue

[broken jetty]

The connection to the outer internet is fine, so I'm not sure if that's the problem. A cable issue I could see, though it could also be a switch issue as it's plugged into one that's definitely not on the fancy side.

My setup is quite cobbled-together

[waxen scroll]

can you do static IPs and test machine to machine?

take all the crap out of the equation and just a single wire

[tiny mulch]

hello

is there a way to have customers automatically disconnect from my wifi after lets say 25 mins?

[broken jetty]

N+1 reasons to buy an ethernet adapter, I guess

But thunderbolt to ethernet adapters on macOS are a mess right now.

[waxen scroll]

oh so part is wireless?

[broken jetty]

Yes

Sorry if that wasn't previously clear

[waxen scroll]

yeah I would scan the wifi and see if there are too many people using your channel and maybe switch it

[broken jetty]

Would that be on a router admin panel, or...?

[waxen scroll]

yep

if its set to auto cycle through channels 1, 6 and 12 to see if speed improves

[rocky badge]

why not a usb to ethernet adapter?

they work fine on macOS

but yeah, doing a wireless survey and finding the best channels will defo help

[broken jetty]

It's something about them using RealTek drivers which only give about half the speed of what it should be, I can try and dig up the article.

[waxen scroll]

[broken jetty]

The only button I've found so far as to do with the channel width, that wouldn't happen to be related, would it?

[waxen scroll]

related but not the setting

[rocky badge]

me who uses a usb to ethernet adapter based on a realtek chipset on macOS and its working fine with gigabit full duplex

@waxen scroll @clear igloo I was worried about Ubiquiti RMA but so far it's been fine lol

they advanced the rma too

[broken jetty]

https://overengineer.dev/blog/2021/04/25/usb-c-hub-madness.html
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30914314

9oliYQjP

At least with respect to macOS, the Realtek 8153 chipsets in these docks suffer from having to use the built-in ECM driver. If you're on Apple Silicon, that's your only option. If you're on Intel, there are some flaky but more performant drivers from Realtek available. The ECM driver will cause high CPU load and for many users, will result in pe...

Hacker News · Apr 5, 2022, 1:39 AM

[rocky badge]

oh huh, never noticed that for me lol

[broken jetty]

You might have the 8156 chipset, which is free of these issues

[drowsy fossil]

Are they at least functional enough to download a cert for example? (So that radius can start working)

[broken jetty]

So, it appears my router does not support manual selection of channels, ostensibly because it's a mesh system (I know ethernet would be better but it's not an option for me just now)

[calm pagoda]

Looking for a free tool which is peer-to-peer directly transfer files from me to a friend using TCP ports preferably with a resume support? does this exist ?

[waxen scroll]

oh mesh? thats your problem. Mesh slows things down from what I understand

@rocky badge is that your experience?

[broken jetty]

I don't know what half of the things you said was, but maybe https://github.com/schollz/croc would help?

[rocky badge]

i've never had an experience with mesh personally but yeah

[broken jetty]

That much, though?

It really is very bad

[drowsy fossil]

Nothing < mesh < wired

[broken jetty]

Well, we're currently at Nothing, so.

I don't understand why stuff out to the internet is fine, and LAN stuff isn't. Why can't people make more intuitive home-speedtest tools?

[waxen scroll]

I always go for access points and have not used mesh, I just have heard slowness can be an issue

[broken jetty]

Well either we're barking up the wrong tree, or I'm confirmation of that

[waxen scroll]

how fast is the internet?

[broken jetty]

50 down, 10 up

Which is what I'm paying for, so...

[waxen scroll]

50 down is hard to compare with 1 gb to your NAS though

[broken jetty]

1GB would be ideal, at the moment I'm getting 1.7MB/s when transferring files to the NAS (and that's being generous). I've always found Samba to be very unintuitive, is that really what everyone uses?

[waxen scroll]

whats the NAS hardware?

[broken jetty]

It's an old Lenovo enterprise desktop that I bought for something else

It's never under any sort of CPU load though, so I'm doubtful that it's a hardware issue

[waxen scroll]

lol you got me, I was going to start asking about the CPU

[broken jetty]

Maybe I should monitor the CPU load when actually transferring something

One moment

[waxen scroll]

on older devices its easy to max a cpu with network

[broken jetty]

Interesting

I have noticed that even though my ping is 8ms, it does take quite a long time to setup an ssh session, far longer than my VPS on the internet

[waxen scroll]

8ms is pretty bad. should be 1-1.5 over wireless

latency kills SMB transfers

[broken jetty]

Sounds like my network has just been waiting to topple over

And to think I was just chuckling at someone else saying "That's the story of homelab, you always need to buy something else"

Yep CPU usage is up to 5%

So that's probably not an issue

[atomic root]

your right

[waxen scroll]

my printer from the early 00s which claims to support 802.11b gets 2ms over wireless

[broken jetty]

Interesting, the transfer was much faster when I sent a ZIP file instead of a folder with multiple files

Just to confirm, a ping command is a good way to measure latency, right?

[waxen scroll]

if you ask an ISP no... lol... but for this, sure

[rocky badge]

oh shit my ISP finally got default gateway ping lower than 7ms lol

[waxen scroll]

mines like 15ms 😦

[rocky badge]

not that it matters

[broken jetty]

Well, yep, 8-10ms ping

[rocky badge]

does your isp have ipv6

[waxen scroll]

yes

[rocky badge]

dang

mine has v6 but i’m not getting anything yet

[broken jetty]

So just to check, SMB really is what people use for NASes?

Have we still not bested a technology from over 40 years ago, or is it more a case of manufacturers refusing to collaborate on a new standard because only nerds care about it?

[peak cloak]

yes

[waxen scroll]

because microsoft!

[peak cloak]

I get 7ms to speedtest.net

[rocky badge]

nice

[broken jetty]

Why Microsoft, out of interest?

[rocky badge]

i just pulled 536Mbps from wifi

[drowsy fossil]

I run 3.8GB/s to my nas over 40gbps lan using smb
It does function fast it's just inefficient

[atomic root]

my internet is usually blazing fast

[drowsy fossil]

Wrote the protocol, and only supports it natively

[rocky badge]

go little ap go

[atomic root]

mine is usually 1 gigabit

[rocky badge]

500+Mbps out of a 802.11AC 3x3 AP not bad

on 80MHz

[peak cloak]

Verizon is finally starting to roll it out in NJ

[broken jetty]

so does macOS, as it happens

[rocky badge]

can confirm lol

[drowsy fossil]

The point is Ms ONLY supports smb natively
Anything else needs extra installs

[waxen scroll]

Only other thing I can say on samba, make sure its using SMB2 or 3. If it's 1 thats gross

[broken jetty]

And are there any tools that make using Samba less painful than config files and janky Cockpit extensions?

[broken jetty]

Any good way to check?

[atomic root]

itso

[waxen scroll]

dunno. last time I used samba was like 2004

prob buried in the config files

[broken jetty]

ITSO has been making travelling on public transport throughout the UK seamless and easier by enabling smart ticketing technology since 2002. Throughout our history, we have been where the opportunities are, supporting our members to grow smart ticketing and realise its potential.

Guessing I found the wrong thing :|

[broken jetty]

What do you use now?

I have tried TrueNAS in the past but I never got it to work.

[waxen scroll]

local storage.

[rocky badge]

:( https://i.ryois.me/iDOehxOJAZ

[broken jetty]

Right, right.

[waxen scroll]

I dont really home lab anymore so its all stored on my desktop and I use plex on my TVs

[rocky badge]

no prefix hint works and shit lol

My ISP's parent company says they provide their customers with dual stack but my ISP directly hasn't said anything

[tiny mulch]

Would u be able to direct me as to how to do it? Online resources would be appreciated if u can't do it urself

[peak cloak]

It's product dependent. Any business line of APs should have that feature, but again it depends

[tiny mulch]

Ok

[peak cloak]

like for tp-link omada line

see: authentication timeout

[tiny mulch]

Interesting

Aye thx for the info

I appreciate it much

[fading gale]

I have noticed that while I am pulling files from a friend's server, my transfer speed to my own server drops to next to nothing. Is there an easy way to improve these transfer speeds, like adding another network card, ect?

[copper adder]

hey guys ive recently switched ips so i can get a fiber conection with is great went from 80mbps to 800-1000mbps. But my steam steam downloads are pretty much the same maby even worse i tried looking online but no solution. any help can be appreciated.

steam dowload speed keeps goin to 0 to 30 to 8 for a wile and stuff like that while having 800+ on speedtest.net

said it would take 10 mins its been 1 hour and its at 44%

[autumn bay]

Can i use a dell tz300 as a router for my house ?

[unborn sluice]

is your house dell ready

[waxen scroll]

Sorry, this unit has been discontinued and is no longer available for purchase, please check out our SonicWall Gen 7 Firewalls. Last Order Day (LDO): 2020-01-22 - you can purchase available renewals below. End of Support (EOS): 2025-01-23 - we will no longer provide technical support, firmware updates/upgrades or hardware replacement for the product.

No.

Please check out Gen 7. Sounds nicer

[autumn bay]

I got one for free

Trying to repurpose it for something

[placid bough]

i have a question, internet on my laptop has been very slow lately

i tried doing a speedtest on my phone i got aroud 30mps, on my laptop 5 mps, and on aother family members laptop 100mbps

usually my laptop gets around 30-40

could using mismatched ram(a 4gb stick and an 8gb stick) cause the problem?(i dont think so but i just did the upgrade so idk)

[unborn sluice]

yikes why would you mix ram when using the internet

[placid bough]

huh?

still after u edited, ur message doesnt make sense

elaborate

nvm speed is high on my laptop again

thx anyway

[crimson dawn]

Don’t mix RAM. This does not affect wifi speeds though

[crimson dawn]

Steam may have a download cap you can change in the settings

[sudden kayak]

two things happening here - one, steam displays by default in MB/s not Mbps (megabytes vs megabits). 800 Mbps is 100 MB/s so the peak download speed in this screenshot is approximately correct. unfortunately, steam's servers also sometimes throttle the speeds any individual user can get, and since your 800Mbps is above the average home Internet speed, you may just be faster than steam's servers

the other possibility is that you're limited by disk write speed - usually that will be smoothed out by cache but depending on how fast your disk is, that could also be the problem

[copper adder]

im also thinming this is the problem as i looked into it more and im using a laptop so there is not realy any fix but thanks for the help!

[placid bough]

I think 12 is better than just 8 though even if its mixed

[crimson dawn]

Are both sticks the same speed?

[crimson dawn]

This is the correct answer. Ignore mine lol

[placid bough]

Yep

I think so atleast

[autumn bay]

can I actually not do anything with this ?

[waxen scroll]

its probably fine but I dont think anyone uses their products here so cant really advise. You have it, so put it in and see if it works

only thing is it probably wont work out of the box. you need to reset to default and configure from scratch

if you're not sure how then this might be a problem

[carmine moss]

also it's a bit slow vs newer stuff 750Mbps

but should be fine for a home lab type setup i would say just probably wouldn't run it as a main router

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/w38puo/this_is_as_high_availability_as_my_budget_can/

[waxen scroll]

looking at that makes me dizzy

[rocky badge]

but the udmps aren't even sharing an arp table or anything

and the 2nd udmp and 2nd usw aren't even plugged in so you're gonna have to wait

I can coach anyone through the disaster protocol of: Move power cord(s) to new unit(s). One-by-one move patch cables to the same position on the new switch. Same for the WAN on the UDM-P.

[drowsy fossil]

is it just me or is there only one internet connection there?

eh i suppose there could be something plugged into the cradlepoint that we cant see

oh nvm i cant read

[blazing mantle]

what do u guys think of Intel WiFi 6 AX200 Gig M2.2230 Kit

i looked at the specs and it seems too good to be true

[meager ginkgo]

I'd get a WiFi 6E card (AX210) if I were to buy a new wifi card personally

[shadow bluff]

intel wifi cards are really good from the beginning

if you want to, you can get ax210 instead, that allows for wifi 6e or normal wifi 6

dont mind pulling more power from your laptop ? then go for intel killer

^if youre using amd systems tho, ax201/intel killer wont work as their pins are propiotery and is accustomed to intel only

[blazing mantle]

well my mobo doesnt come with wifi so im just tryna know the best bang for my buck type of thing

[meager ginkgo]

https://www.amazon.com/OKN-2974Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11AX-Wireless/dp/B07X462KRK/

this will probably work fine and is pretty cheap for what it is

[blazing mantle]

dang that looks amazing

5400mbps

[meager ginkgo]

that's not real world.. theoretical (which you will never get)

Also depends on your router and lots of other factors

[blazing mantle]

yea ofc

so i shouldnt get the intel one

[meager ginkgo]

AX210 should be fine with an AMD system

[blazing mantle]

i have an intel system sorry 😢

[meager ginkgo]

All good, it will work fine also on Intel 🤣

[blazing mantle]

Oh alright sounds good

ima see if i can find one at my local microcenter, thanks for the help

[meager ginkgo]

👍

[lyric sinew]

Okay so atm I got 150mbps download but on upload it lags and freezes and goes up to 0 and 5. What could be the problem with superlow upload

[crystal oriole]

Uploading something somewhere else at the same time as running the test?
What should the upload be, what are you paying for.

[pale ridge]

So what is your connection to start with?

[gray gulch]

Anyone know why after setting a static route on my truenas, I can't access it from my local network anymore?
(I know very little about networking and am following a OpenVPN tutorial)

[peak cloak]

Possible IP range conflicts

Gotta give us more information, what networks, IPs, etc

[gray gulch]

https://youtu.be/YEkfW4aC9Rk?t=1082
I just did this part from this tutorial
I used the current IP of my nas for the gateway and the same ip as his for the destination (which I believe is the IP I set for the OpenVPN server)
I still seem to be able to access the contents from my PC on my local network, but when I go to the IP where the GUI normally is, it isn't there

[subtle knot]

So I bought a 1gbps powerline kit and my connection caps out at 150mbps. Just gonna cry and give up.

[tidal spindle]

Powerline is horrible. (It can be great in perfect conditions)

Be grateful you're even hitting 150

[meager ginkgo]

Powerline is horrible like Cynic said, if you want a solution without running cables, MoCA is more complicated but the way to go.

[peak cloak]

assuming you have coax

[thick minnow]

Depends on what you mean.

Internet is sold as Megabits per second. Transfer speeds are measured in MegaBytes per second.

If you are getting 150MB/s download speeds you are getting a bit more than 1Gb/s

8x diff between capital B and lowercase b

[gray gulch]

Anyone have any ideas? Im not even sure how I can get my GUI back to undo this change

[meager ginkgo]

For you networking geeks - Dish had a limited launch of their 5G network and is now offering their hotspot for free with a hotspot plan.. $20/mo for fully unlimited.

https://launch.5gmobilegenesis.com/

might be worth it for WAN failover as it has an ethernet port

seems to be out of stock now

[subtle knot]

What is that?

Okay I looked it up. I can't fit a coax. If I could cope with coax I'd just use a cat6. I'm in rented accommodation and cannot drill a hole. I already broke one cat6 trying to route under doors.

[meager ginkgo]

Usually newer homes have coax in the walls, but if you're renting I wouldn't mess with it

[subtle knot]

also I'm in the UK, so our homes are made of brick

[meager ginkgo]

ah yeah you probably don't have coax then

typically an american/cad thing

[subtle knot]

theres one coax from the tv aerial, and we're not using it

[meager ginkgo]

I wouldn't mess with it since you're renting

I typically only recommend MoCA to people who are comfortable rewiring some low voltage and own the home

[rocky badge]

@clear igloo @waxen scroll Adopted a RMA unifi switch unit remotely via VPN and internet sharing on my mac 🤣

it shipped with firmware 4.3.22.11330 😳

latest firmware is 6.2.14.13855

[clear igloo]

Fun times 😄

[mental topaz]

Roast me for this mod, I put almost no thought into it and yet it still freaking works somehow

Although those Noctua Fans would deserve a 3D printed shroud :/

[thick minnow]

my house is annoying lacking in network connectivity

there's 2 rj11 ports and that's it

I don't think they are connected to anything

[waxen scroll]

💁

[drowsy fossil]

If they are connected to each other you can use VDSL extenders in a pinch

[waxen scroll]

you can get 100mbit out of them as long as 4 wires are there

[drowsy fossil]

Yep
And it doesn't cut out when you turn on the vacuum cleaner or dryer or washing machine or fridge etc

[shadow bluff]

it aint stupid if it works yo

[pseudo blade]

I could say much, but it seems that router roasts itself and does not need my assistance in doing so.

[lethal creek]

USB 3.0 over Ethernet. Is this a thing?

I see lots of 2.0 extenders like this
https://a.co/d/3xPbu8k
But no 3.0, any suggestions?

I need to get a USB connection from my computer to another room and the most optimal route would be through the Cat5e patches in my walls

[rocky badge]

https://www.startech.com/en-us/cards-adapters/usb3004ext2

[blazing mantle]

i think this is an obvious question but pcie wifi adapters are better than usb ones right?

[keen flicker]

my friend is going to kill me i need help