#virtual-reality

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pulsar glacier
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Not if you have the 6900QWERTYX3D

tawdry dove
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Rx 31880

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8x super sampling at 16k

crystal sluice
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16k 18x antialiasing

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8k textures

tawdry dove
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Sampling 128k down to 16k

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I don't think aa is needed

crystal sluice
tawdry dove
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It's the best aliasing possible

crystal sluice
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i run boneworks on my pc

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i have to throttle the res of my headset

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i am wasting perf on anti aliasing

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what am i doing

opal prairie
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I had a 970 when I got my first headset. I upgraded to a 2080ti at some point and the difference was night and day.

I now have a 3080 but I upgraded my processor, mobo, and RAM at the same time so it's hard to say how much of my increased performance is due to the 2080ti to 3080 card upgrade, but most things run buttery smooth at 144hz on my index with this configuration. (But not No Man's Sky VR...that is one demanding game.)

I was in terrible financial shape when I got my 2080ti back when it was the best thing you could get for gaming. I had a gpu jar on my desk and I put everything I could spare into it for a year. We are doing much better now and can afford so much more, but I don't think any upgrade will ever feel as sweet as that one.

One trick for getting a little bit better performance is making sure you aren't spending too many resources running your monitor. When I had a 970, I had a second monitor hooked up. It was tiny and crappy and I kept it off when not using VR, but when I ran VR, I just switched to the crappy monitor. (It was easier than trying to change the settings on my nice monitor every time).

rapid otter
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Personally i just turn it off

opal prairie
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It is an option, but you can't access your virtual desktop if you do that.

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When Steam VR was still new, turning off my monitor caused Steam VR to crash for some reason.

opal prairie
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That's what led me to the old pos monitor solution, but it's still viable if you want to be able to access your desktop virtually without making your card render everything in quad hd on top of doing vr.

gloomy crater
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Yeah considering I'm gonna be going from a 27" 1440p 170hz IPS display to a 32" 4k 240hz QDOLED display at some point in the next year, I'm gonna have to start worrying about whether my 6900XT is gonna be able to drive both it and my 200% render resolution 120hz index settings at the same time lol

haughty thistle
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Did anyone even announce a 32" 240Hz QD-OLED display?

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I know there's the Alienware, but that one is 34" 3440x1440 and only 175Hz...

gloomy crater
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This is the one I'm planning on getting. It's $1700 though lol edit: looks like it's on sale for $1200 rn tho. tempting but not tempting enough

haughty thistle
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That's not QD-OLED. That's Samsungs QLED technology (basically VA with FALD backlight and quantum-dot enhancement film)

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(although I don't get why they're talking about 12 bpc, when pretty much all HDR content out there is 10bpc)

gloomy crater
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These companies keep making up stuff that sounds too similar to each other in order to trick consumers into buying something that they think is something else. I guess I was the one getting tricked this time

haughty thistle
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Samsungs QLED has been around for a while in TVs, and was probably choosen to be deliberately similar to OLED, as for a while Samsung didn't had any big format OLEDs...

gloomy crater
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Welp, my Gigabyte M27Q probably isn't gonna explode any time soon, so I guess I have time to wait for someone to actually release a 32" 4k 240hz QD

haughty thistle
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I'm hazard to say that it's gonna be unlikely any time soon. OLED density just isn't there yet. The smallest 4k OLED currently in production is whatever panel LG is putting into their 42" C1. The Alienware QD-OLED Monitor get's away with a smaller size, by going with 1440p instead...

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I don't know what the highest refreshrate is, that current OLEDs can do, but considering that the 175Hz on the Alienware is the highest I've seen so far, I'd guess maybe there? If I had to guess why, I'd say that it probably has to do with brightness or bandwidth limitation...

gloomy crater
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sigh... at this point I might just be better off with a 32" 144hz 4k IPS panel and save myself the headache of adopting new technologies in the early stages of development

haughty thistle
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I've been on camp 21:9 for a while now, so as soon as that Alienware dropped, you can bet I had my money on it. Have loved every second of it, and even got into ripping 4k Blu-Rays, so I can watch HDR movies on this puppy (streaming HDR content essentially requires a 4k TV sigh)

gloomy crater
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I'd have to buy a new desk to fit a 21:9 monitor. I've considered it in the past though

haughty thistle
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Yeah, I already had a 34" 21:9 monitor before and was ready to replace it for a while because of scratched in the panel
Just, when you do ever get an OLED, make sure to turn the display off when jumping into VR. VR will keep your screens active, and will probably cause burn-in over the long run (even with QD-OLEDs higher life expectancy)

rancid kestrel
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What would be some settings I might be able to change to melt make VR work a bit better? I have the frame interpolation turned off already.

harsh niche
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i have a 2070

rancid kestrel
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That is much better.

harsh niche
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speaking of gpu's

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what's everyone's opinion about buying a used gpu now that may or may not have been used for mining? does mining actually degrade it as much as people say it does where it'll be a problem in the time span I actually own it?

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i feel like most people upgrade their gpu's every 2 generations or somn

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i got my 2070 in 2019 and i've been waiting for the 40 series to come out before upgrading

wispy orchid
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the chip itself is usually fine, but the memory can often be an issue

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also not buying a gpu used by miners is a good thing because screw them

atomic walrus
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I will never forgive Beat Saber for removing custom map leaderboards

pulsar glacier
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Don't give them the profit

pulsar glacier
atomic walrus
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And also resetting all the custom map local highscores

rancid kestrel
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Miners tend to undervolt them from what I understand and if you can get one super cheap, why not?

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I have had BeatSaber nuke my save four times, I just stopped using mods because of it.

atomic walrus
rancid kestrel
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I have done plenty of compute on my 960s (Folding and neural net junk (really bad idea on these cards)) and they have can get the same OC they could day one.

atomic walrus
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IMO they're either already rich AF or they're down bad mcdonalds employees, so you aren't really making a dent when buying used

atomic walrus
rancid kestrel
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Yeah I know.

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I'm just saying as an anecdote, they don't degrade too much.

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The CPU I used to use degraded more.

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I had like a 700MHz OC on it and now it can not go that high.

atomic walrus
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Yeah CPUs last forever but slow down over time

rancid kestrel
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Random golden chip though, I was using the stock cooler for the longest time.

harsh niche
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because if it's still really good.. then whatever

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i bet they payed enough when all of their crypto went severely negative lol

wispy orchid
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Boycott

harsh niche
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lol

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chick fil a makes good chicken

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couldn't care less about what they may or may not get into

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it's more complicated when the people you don't like is not one company but an entire group of people..

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aka miners

wispy orchid
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someone's gonna buy it

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doesnt mean it has to be me

gloomy crater
elfin fog
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Hello everyone!
Is Valve Index VR Kit bought in Sept 2019 a good deal for 615$? It is used.
And should I look for any issue when trying it out? Something that a newcomer might not look into...?
Or are the sets made in year X (2019 in this case) known for issues in comparison to newer/older models? (like first PS3 FATs and earlier PS4 Pro)
Or should I wait for Index 2?
Thanks a lot

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X
GPU: ASUS TUF RTX 3070 Gaming OC
RAM: Kingston 16 GB (2x8GB) @ 3200 MHz (16-18-18-36)

haughty thistle
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Not a whole lot. Most early unit issues I know of were kinda fixed by September/November '19...
Just the usual when buying a headset used: Make sure the lenses don't have any scratches, preferably get a replacement facial interface (you wouldn't want to sleep on somebody else's pillow either), and make sure everything you need comes included. With the Index, that's the headset and it's cable+power brick, 2 controllers, 2 lighthouses with their respective power bricks

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Your system Specs are absolutely enough for VR. I'm not sure on the current pricing of Index kits on the used market tbh, so I can't really say if it's a good price or not. I do suggest you wait until the SteamVR Games Fest starts next week tho, as there is at least a slight chance that Valve may unveil something VR related. Not a guarantee tho, just a hunch based on the fact that they explicitly moved another Event, just to hold the SteamVR games fest next week and that they included a bunch of standalone settings into the latest SteamVR beta...

elfin fog
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One issue I found is that the Index has problems with glue around Index. Will research it if it's widespread of just few issues here and there.

haughty thistle
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The glue around the lenses you mean? That just holds in a silicone piece, which is mostly visual. That Silicone piece does however have something to do with preventing sweat intrusion. It's not crutial to functionality

elfin fog
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The glue melts when using for longer period of time and then the seal to the display is gone...resulting in humidity behind the lens.

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haughty thistle
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That humidity collecting behind the lenses isn't that widespread however. I've only seen it like 3 times over the time the Index was on sale? Likely some faulty units...

haughty thistle
elfin fog
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Oh good. Well, I am not planning on working out in it, but I bet that Beat Saber could make me sweat and hot 😄

elfin fog
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Oh, and lens distortion

haughty thistle
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Personally wouldn't trust VodooDE, that guy is an absolute Pimax s!mp

elfin fog
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😄

haughty thistle
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I had tried a 5k Super and 8k X and it's glare was about on-par with the ol' Vive (aka worse then the Vive Pro)

elfin fog
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Well, as it seems the issue is white on black or just differences in contrast.

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I am not playing main menu simulator 2022 in the VR, but still...

haughty thistle
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The glare on the Index, yeah it's there. But I wouldn't say game breaking. Unlike the clear visible streaks of the OG Vive, Rift CV1 or even some newer headsets (cough Vive Pro 2 cough), it's a lot more spread out and not as bright...

elfin fog
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Why am I talking about it is cuz I was recommended Quest 2 in favor of used Index

elfin fog
haughty thistle
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The Quest 2 does have less SDE & glare, but keep in mind that you have to give your data to the Zucc and it's non-native PCVR functionality means more latency, compression artifacts and a lower then native maximum resolution, plus the FOV is lower and you need to spend a bunch of extra money to make it even competitive in terms of comfort and audio...

haughty thistle
elfin fog
elfin fog
elfin fog
haughty thistle
# elfin fog Well, not anymore...kinda 😄 They will still link it back to you, even if Meta a...

It's still Facebook behind it. The accounts will have a different name, and don't like directly to Facebook, but it's still the same company, so you can bet they'll still collect as much data as they already do. Considering that these new "Meta" accounts are supposed to tie in all their services (Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, etc.) in the future, I'd assume they'll also require real names on those accounts, just like they already do with Facebook accounts...

haughty thistle
# elfin fog I have a good headset, but idk if it can fit over the Quest 2 and researching if...

I wouldn't say the Quest is better then the Index. Yeah, it has a few points as an advantage, but the Index is native PCVR (so if you don't care about standalone, PCVR is gonna be a much better experience), has a higher FOV, a comfortable strap out of the box, way better audio solution built in and it uses lighthouse tracking, meaning if you ever want to get fullbody tracking, it's a much simpler integration for Vive Trackers and Tundra Trackers (which are still the best Fullbody Tracking solution out there)

elfin fog
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Like yeah, 3 years of use is a lot. Gotta ask him if he had it plugged in 24/7 even when he didnt play.

haughty thistle
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Two of my lighthouses are as old as my Index (Mid-July 2019 is when I got mine). I always used SteamVR power management, to keep them turned off while not playing VR, and so far I hadn't had a single failure...

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The reality of making them last as long as possible is (as always) somewhere in the middle of what people say. Keeping them running 24/7 will wear out the motors and lasers, while powering them on and off excessively can burn out the motor from the higher power draw while ramping up.
What I do, is I manually turn them on before I jump into VR, and only turn them off, when I know that I won't be playing any more VR for the next few hours. That way I don't keep turning them on and off multiple times a day, but also don't have them running all day long

elfin fog
opal prairie
elfin fog
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btw what is this hole for? 😄

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opal prairie
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There's a usb port. You can plug in and mount a peripheral there, for example, one of the finger tracker cameras.

green crypt
elfin fog
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he playe Alyx and few other "minigame" type games and was done.

green crypt
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then should be safe to get yeah just sometimes people lie and try to sell broken stuff so it's good to be careful

elfin fog
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But he said that the Base Stations were disconnected just few months back and he doesn't know about Standby/Sleep mode of them. I am bit scared of the mdying. Reddit is filled with issues and Red Lights of Dead

elfin fog
green crypt
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yeah the picture looks okay condition for sure go to the sellers home tho and ask at least to see it powered on if posible

elfin fog
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Oh, no sorry...that was different dude 😄

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here's the link, so I dont repost his images of home that will remain here even after he deletes the ad.

opal prairie
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A fail point on the index is the hard loop that manages the cable. I broke mine off intentionally and replaced it by zip tying a hair elastic around it. This makes for a much less harsh flex point. I am still on my original cable after years of heavy use.

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One should generally expect to need to replace the cable eventually because the conductive metals used in cords undergo a process called "stress hardening." If you take a soft copper wire and bend it back and forth a few times, it will break because stressing it makes it hard, which in turn makes it brittle. All cords that are repeatedly flexed eventually fail. I'm considering getting another one now just so I won't have a wait when the inevitable happens.

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By getting rid of the hard bend at this flex point you significantly increase the life of the cord.

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The little coils near the ends of some charging cords have a similar purpose...to reduce the sharpness of major flex points and increase the life of the cord.

opal prairie
rancid kestrel
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Tundra?

flat pawn
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Tundra

rancid kestrel
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Hrm, I suppose I could take a picture of my headset and post it here later. :-P

crystal sluice
elfin fog
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idk

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I suppose better.

rancid kestrel
pulsar glacier
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Funky

opal prairie
# rancid kestrel :-)

I've tried some of the later consumer model Vive headsets (non-pro) and they built this one, the original, so much better. I guess being one of the first to make it out of the gate they had something to prove.

rancid kestrel
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This is a Vive.

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The original one.

opal prairie
rancid kestrel
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That is the one they made with Valve.

opal prairie
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And I see you have all the upgrades too...wireless adapter, deluxe strap with speakers. It's a solid headset. I have one and I still occasionally use it even though I have an index now.

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When I want to play beatsaber 360, or Holopoint, the wireless is worth the drop in res and refresh rate.

rancid kestrel
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I honestly don't want the Index headset just because of the lack of wireless.

opal prairie
rancid kestrel
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I also have a DIY USB extension cable.

opal prairie
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The side by side lineup. I have a Vive Cosmos Elite too, but it's just sitting in a box. My brother gave it to me.

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It's cheaply made compared to the original vive.

rancid kestrel
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I do want to make some of those funky gloves one day.

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That sounds like fun.

opal prairie
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99 percent of the time, I grab the index. I thought I'd use the wireless more, but I have a pretty good set up for ignoring the cords.

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Provided I don't spin too much.

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The image quality is so much better on the index, especially when you are looking at things up close. And the controllers are amazing too....but, the index controllers will work with your Vive!

rancid kestrel
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I really like the lack of cord in the few things I do play.

opal prairie
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I had the index controllers for 6 months before I got the index headset and they work beautifully with the Vive.

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And I never upgraded to 2.0 towers.

rancid kestrel
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I mean, I am currently using a pair of GTX 960s in this computer. Image quality isn't something I get. :-P

Also I have not used a better HMD, so it doesn't look that bad for me.

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I do have some weird tracking issues, so I do think tracking 2.0 might help.

opal prairie
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Hmmm....I've never had any tracking issues using 1.0 lighthouses with my index. Have you tried cleaning them?

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(do it while they are off...moving them while they are on is bad for them)

rancid kestrel
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I suppose I could try that.

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It's so bad for them they have accelerometers to turn them off when they move.

opal prairie
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I had to replace one of mine a few years ago. It started vibrating on the wall and everything got shaky. I sent my original one off for repairs and bought a new one so I'd have something in the meantime, and now I have a spare.

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The light configuration is different now, so one of my lighthouses has a square configuration of LEDs inside, the other has a spherical config, but they work fine together.

rancid kestrel
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I do wonder if one could hack the wireless stuff to work on the Index.

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Mine are both squares.

opal prairie
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My Vive was a preorder ... it came in the day they were released. I was so freaking excited. It's old now.

rancid kestrel
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Oh sheesh.

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Mine was right before they released the pro.

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opal prairie
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So april of 2016 is when I got mine...it's over 6 years old and still works great. Not bad.

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My brother has the vive pro now, and it's really nice. It's really comfortable.

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But he doesn't have a gaming computer anymore, so it's just sitting there. It'll probably be mine before too long. He's one of those people with a little too much money. I mean he's not a one percenter, but he can spend a couple thousand on a whim several times a year without hurting himself financially.

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So he buys all kinds of crazy stuff to try it out. Sometimes he likes it, sometimes he doesn't.

rancid kestrel
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Should I give you my PayPal address to give him? /s

finite yarrow
rancid kestrel
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You don't; nothing implements the easy SLI scaling stuff, I had it for other things.

finite yarrow
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Ah

sullen linden
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i don’t think sli is worth unless for certain things except gaming

haughty thistle
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There were a few VR headsets in the past that made use of two seperate video inputs, like the Varjo headsets or the StarVR One. In the case of the StarVR One, it was even suggested by the makers of the headset to write software using a dedicated graphics card per eye...

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Problem with such an approach would be, that you might end up with uneven performance, leading to different framerates for each eye...

wise crescent
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I'm curious to see what kind of a performance difference there will be in vr with the 3090 I just ordered and the 2080ti I have currently. I don't expect miracles but should be a nice improvement.

sour quartz
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What cpu you got?

sour quartz
finite yarrow
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Im so effing upset. Almost got my first full combo in normal on beat saber and i miss the last swing (2 notes). It was my first try on the song too omg

wise crescent
opal prairie
wispy orchid
# wise crescent i7 9700k

In that case, you're looking at about 33% faster across the board, with larger improvement in select areas, such as the better rt cores.

wise crescent
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Ye, I know my cpu is a bit old ish now but it should still hold up just fine with it

wispy orchid
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It can bottleneck the 3090 a bit from what I see online, I would suggest selling your cpu/mb and getting newer. I don't think a 10700k will, but if you're upgrading anyway and you've shilled out 3090 money, 12th gen is probably what you'll want. Though of course this doesn't mean the 9700k+3090 won't still give a spectacular experience. Because they will.

wise crescent
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I am planning on upgrading to a 12700kf in the near future but I doubt that makes as big of a difference as the gpu, for vr at least

wispy orchid
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It won't, no. But with the big performance jump from 11th to 12th gen, you should be good with that cpu for some years. Like honestly the improvement was so big I've legit suggested some people buy a 12100. I've never suggested anyone buy a 100 skew before now.

rancid kestrel
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Honestly VR SLI doesn't seem like a hard issue, it's basically free if you use GL.

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From the programming side of things at least.

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If you're using Vulkan you already have a boat load of init code and it shouldn't add much more complexity to use pairs of logical devices, queues and blit half of the framebuffer over.

finite yarrow
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I mean idk much about how all that works but it seems like a good idea. Maybe sli will get brought back eventually. 2 gpus, each drawing every other frame (or however your specific headset works). Dont quite expect it to scale linearly, but idk seems like it should (based on my super rudimentary understanding) work better in vr then it does flatscreen

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But itd require work way beyond what i could ever learn, for 2 very niche communities

ember comet
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Yes sli 4090s only taking 1200watts for just the gpu alone

opal prairie
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Ha, yeah, we may be talking dual PSUs....maybe have a dedicated circuit run to the outlet for your computer.

haughty thistle
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You mean, a dedicated circuit just for the PSU powering your GPU? Not quite necessary in the EU, with out 230V power, but in the US, afaik the most you can draw in a single circuit is about 1500W...

rapid otter
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There already are 2000 w PSU

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Very expensive but they are here

haughty thistle
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Prolly requires either 230V or a 20A breaker tho...

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Because 120V x 16A = 1920W
Devices without permanent installation may not go up to the full maximum power one circuit can provide (there's a certain buffer required), and as a result, the highest Multi-Voltage PSUs I've seen that are 1600W...
Yeah, ofc there are higher Wattage PSUs out there, but one thing they have in common is that they can only provide their maximum power, when connected to 230V, or to like a 20A, or even 30A breaker (which both require different plugs in the US btw)

opal prairie
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Probably would need a hefty UPS.

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Where I live, you might as well throw your power supply and one random component in the trash twice a year if you don't have a UPS. Our grid is ancient, my house is ancient, and we have constant hurricanes, thunderstorms, and lightning.

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Before I switched to fiber, I went through 4 cable modems in a single year.

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They are now painted to serve as 40k terrain...they make good power stations, lol.

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I actually do have two dedicated, grounded, fully modern circuits run to my office.

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Imagine my relief when ATT came to the neighborhood and put in underground fiber and I could stop hooking my house up to the lightning rod that was the cable on the pole.

thorny plume
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Does that strap contain the extra battery as well? 3 hours isn’t enough lmao

harsh niche
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@thorny plume there's a kiwi strap that has a battery in it

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and if you're plugged into your pc it's going to last longer than 3 hours

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i played for like 2 hours last night on link and it went down to 99%

thorny plume
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Yeah, just bought the strap with a battery pack. The default battery on the quest only lasts like 2-3 hours

pulsar glacier
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Mine doesn't give much power

harsh niche
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Ah rip

rancid kestrel
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The per-eye scaling can be as good as 90% in some cases, tends to be closer to 80 from what I understand.

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Also you could totally run a 240v circuit for your computer.

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From what I understand 240VAC should be more efficient, right?

wispy orchid
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But it's marginal and the benefits are only a thing at scale, in a single home it means nothing

haughty thistle
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It is more efficient!
Over here in Europe we work on a 230V/400V Single-/Three-Phase grid, so we don't really have the maximum power issues the US grid has. Honestly, I couldn't think of a single time were I tripped the breaker, by drawing too much power on a single circuit xD

rancid kestrel
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The power grid itself is much higher voltage, but yeah it has massive issues.

haughty thistle
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PC power supplies run at a higher efficiency when plugged into a 230V circuit

rancid kestrel
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I thought so.

pulsar glacier
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hekkin europeans and their better everything >:( /lh

rancid kestrel
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It isn't a huge amount, but it's there.

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The US has 240VAC.

haughty thistle
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Yeah, it's like 2% more efficient. Not a ton...

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Yeahy the US households use a 120V/240V Single-/Dual-Phase grid, right?

rancid kestrel
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When you're pulling 2KW that could be enough to light your house.

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240VAC split into two 120VAC phases or used directly.

haughty thistle
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Thought so

rancid kestrel
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In breaker boxes every other row is one split of the split phases, a two slot breaker is 240VAC and the rest are 120VAC. It's weird but it works and is backwards compatible with the original 120VAC standard.

wispy orchid
# haughty thistle Yeahy the US households use a 120V/240V Single-/Dual-Phase grid, right?

The line gets fed to the breaker in 3 cables, from the transformer. Left and right are the ends (so the whole coil) and the middle is right in the middle. Since transformers are just turns of wire, if you connect something to the middle and either end you get half the voltage as compared to connecting to both ends. Hence why our high power appliances actually have 4 prongs in their plugs.

rancid kestrel
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Eh, not always.

haughty thistle
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Meanwhile, the power going to the houses in Europe are 3-phase + Neutral. Most circuits only use one of the three phases and the neutral wire, but certain high power applications (like car chargers) are wired up using all three phases and neutral

rancid kestrel
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But the modern recommended 240VAC NEMA plugs have the split phase stuff.

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Ring mains sound like pain.

haughty thistle
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Ring mains is only a thing in the UK and Ireland afaik

rancid kestrel
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Most of what I know about European mains is from someone that lives in the UK.

haughty thistle
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Ah

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The term "Ring Mains" I always connect with the weird breaker setup the Brits have...
But another use could be for 3-phase power...

rancid kestrel
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That feeling when the euro car plugs support three phase and the US ones don't because no one has it at home.

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Ring mains are a way to reduce the amount of wire used in the circuits.

haughty thistle
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You mean like this?

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rancid kestrel
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That doesn't look right.

haughty thistle
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3-phase is rarely wired up to a socket, and is usually used for permanent installations. For industrial applications, these 3-phase plugs exist, but good luck finding one in the home...

rancid kestrel
haughty thistle
rancid kestrel
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US, Tesla BS, Euro.

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Those aren't the names, but you know.

haughty thistle
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That's car charger plugs. The one I posted is for high power devices like a Mainframe server or smth

rancid kestrel
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Oh yeah, I thought we were talking about charge points for cars.

haughty thistle
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Oh well...

rancid kestrel
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These are the NEMA ones.

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Wow that's awful.

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I believe 14-30 and 14-50 are the ones used in new installations.

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30 and 50 amp, IIRC.

haughty thistle
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Plugs in Europe differ from country to country. At least the Grounded Single phase ones...

rancid kestrel
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The UK ones are nice, if not bulky.

haughty thistle
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This is what's used in Germany

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rancid kestrel
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They are very well thought out.

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Honestly those are probably safer than the US ones.

haughty thistle
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Reversible Grounded plugs. I personally think from a usability standpoint one of the best out there

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And I only know of two to which this is applicable: the Italian one and the German one...

rancid kestrel
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The US ones are not safe at all and are often installed upside-down.

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The ground pin is supposed to go up, but people like to install it down because it looks like a face.

haughty thistle
rancid kestrel
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The US ones have an up.

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NEMA 5-15 and 5-20 are the most common ones, the ground is supposed to be up.

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If you have something fall onto the conductors it will hit the ground pin first, which is safer.

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Man we are so off topic.

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All of this because modern SLI takes the power of a small town.

haughty thistle
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Although I have seen the faceplate installed upside down in some office installations, like in my office here:

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haughty thistle
rancid kestrel
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This is wrong.

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Anyway.

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I do want to get a pair of cards when I upgrade, even though that won't help in VR stuff.

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I have some very dumb ideas I want to try out when I try to write some VR software.

halcyon portal
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vr goes hard with full body tracking

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rancid kestrel
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That looks really weird.

dull tide
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I’d go full body tracking if I spent like 10 hours in VR a week

harsh niche
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Steam VR fest - aka tons of VR game discounts rn

wise crescent
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Just grabbed into the radius from the sale 👌

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The 3090 I ordered should arrive today as well PogChomp

wispy orchid
wise crescent
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I still feel like it's going to make no difference in vrchat lol

haughty thistle
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VRchat is a special case tho

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No matter your hardware, the User created content is so unoptimized that even the fastest super computers can only crank out like 40fps in filled lobbies...

wise crescent
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Yeah I know, it's just funny how you can have the latest hardware but still struggle to get 60fps

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I definitely need to replay alyx on that card

haughty thistle
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It'd be the same with Neos or ChilloutVR, if they had a user base anywhere close as large as VRC...

rapid otter
lime pewter
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is a VR headset worth it as a TV replacement?

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as both cost very similar amounts

wise crescent
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If you strictly want it to watch shows, movies etc. a tv is better

lime pewter
wise crescent
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Yeah in that case just keep/get a TV

lime pewter
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currently not to many reasons I can think of otherwise of getting VR for me

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to much of an MMO no lifer

wise crescent
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While I do sometimes watch movies n stuff in VR, I wouldn't say it's as comfortable of an experience rather than just watching on a TV or monitor

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I mainly do it in vrchat where you can be with someone else in VR

haughty thistle
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Especially if you're eyeing a 4k HDR capable TV. 4k or HDR content that is viewable on anything that isn't a 4k TV (without entering Legal gray areas that is) is scarce. With VR it becomes even more tricky, as DRM restrictions often black out the screen, for anything but the physical monitor.
If you had gaming in VR also in mind, then maybe the story might be different. But for pure content consumption, a TV is still the better choice..

rapid otter
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And watching a movie with a headset can be quite annoying because of the weight

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Also you won't be able to invite people over to watch a movie or whatnot

lime pewter
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Need neck exercise anyway

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Would either get 65inch 4k TV for my non games or vr headset for that “larger without taking extra space” (~2k-3k price range of either)

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Otherwise I would just get TV and wait with VR
until glove type controllers
(within reasonable price, like 800-1500 at most for non prototype quality),
and more MMO type games
(or online with leveling system at least, even if it is FPS or something similar)
then I would get VR anyway

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currently a bit to much single player and VRChat types from what it looks like

thorny plume
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So my kiwi strap just got in... I also bought the battery strap for it. however I can't figure out for the life of me how to attach the battery strap to the headset. The pictures it comes with is terrible. Any ideas?

finite yarrow
# thorny plume So my kiwi strap just got in... I also bought the battery strap for it. however ...

https://youtu.be/zFO1yUOvCqM does this help?

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KIWI design
KIWI design 3 in 1 Multifunctional Power Bank Strap

#kiwidesign #kiwidesignvr
This is a multifunctional portable power bank straps,with professionally manufactured fixing strap, is equipped with an adjustable silicone strap which can fix VR Link Cable to prevent from shaking during gaming.
Segmented nylon fastener tape secures the battery firmly in place. It can be used for VR devices to enhance...

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rancid kestrel
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That's an interesting idea. I feel like there's a reason that Vive didn't put the battery there though.

haughty thistle
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Probably to not put even more weight on your neck. It's probably not good for the neck to put idk how much weight on your head...

lime pewter
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ez neck exercise

thorny plume
# rancid kestrel That's an interesting idea. I feel like there's a reason that Vive didn't put th...

Probably. But I couldn’t find another place to mount it. If you buy the kiwi strap, there’s a nob in the dead center of the back for adjusting the sides. That means you have to place the battery on the back of that, making the mount very difficult. When you buy the battery extra mount, the included holder doesn’t reach far enough for even a flat D battery. It feels like a design flaw but maybe I’m just missing something

haughty thistle
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That dial on the back is with most hard straps. It just makes the most sense from an adjust-ability standpoint. But ofc that also means, you can't mount an external battery there...
I'd honestly much rather take that dial then the ability to mound something back there...

lime pewter
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varjo aero vs TV

haughty thistle
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For content consumption, the TV would win. 100%

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You got HDR and not brick on your face with a TV, which for content consumption, I think matters a lot

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Heck, I prefer to watch movies on my 34" Monitor over any of my VR headsets, just for the "don't have to wear a brick" reason...

lime pewter
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what if the weight aspect doesn't matter

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like, actual quality

haughty thistle
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It's not just the weight tho

lime pewter
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not like I would get an oled TV tho

thorny plume
haughty thistle
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And in regards to quality, I already mentioned the HDR aspect. The almost eye cearing highlights while still maintaining the deepest black...
Plus I feel like my 1440p monitor at a normal PC distance produces a sharper, more vivid image...
Keep in mind tho, that I do have that QD-OLED monitor from Alienware

green crypt
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watching stuff in vr with friends is nice as no irl distractions vs just on a monitor

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and it's more like a cinema

haughty thistle
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Even the Varjo Aero (which is the bightest VR headset I've tried to date) doesn't hold a candle to most monitors in terms of brightest white. Only 150nits. It's not even close for a decent HDR experience

lime pewter
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my only reason for VR is I live alone, but don't want to put some huge TV in my place
tho I don't have much use yet for games, as there are no games yet I would want to play

green crypt
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i just have a 28 inch cheap ips 4k and a cheap 1440p ips

lime pewter
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and well, I don't want to tilt my neck constantly to look at the TV, it hurts

haughty thistle
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I still think that HDR is a huge benefit to the watching experience, so if you're in for that, I'd take an HDR TV over a VR headset any day

lime pewter
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isn't HDR basically oled only tho

haughty thistle
green crypt
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yeah if you have space for a nice tv it would be nice to use vr but that's it

lime pewter
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probably not to hard to get done somehow, but..

green crypt
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well can use vrchat for the videoplayer

haughty thistle
# lime pewter isn't HDR basically oled only tho

MiniLED monitors and TVs exist. They are in-fact the better option for a TV in a bright environment 🙂
Yeah, you don't get that pixel perfect black, but it's still HDR, and the current gen Mini LED TVs have gotten really good at that

lime pewter
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don't have 5000$ tho

haughty thistle
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Prolly cheaper then OLED too

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I mean, there's Samsungs QLED line (Mini LED, not OLED!), they've been pushing prices with those quite aggresively...

green crypt
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important thing is good speakers tho or headphones also for a tv setup for movies

lime pewter
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choice would be extremely simple if FPS/MMOs were a thing

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currently from what I've seen, its basically just VRchat and clones, and a bunch of single player games

haughty thistle
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Well, there's Echo Arena

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(but that one's Oculus Meta exclusive)

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There's Pavlov (VR FPS, essentially CS:GO but in VR)

lime pewter
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won't be touching facebook's product until oculus is the only thing that exists/works, lol

haughty thistle
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And I think, when you first posed that question, I already mentioned that one VR MMORPG. Forgot the name of it, but yeah...

green crypt
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there is also onward also nice fps

lime pewter
green crypt
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fun 4 player co-op

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a township tale is a decent mmo

lime pewter
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would spend maybe like 3000 total on VR
if it had enough to make it worth it over getting a new and bigger TV
coming from what honestly is a terrible TV (450$ 4k60 43inch TV)
just gotta keep looking for info ig, lol

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for the most part just been waiting for more game releases and/or VR gloves (no need for haptic)
don't really enjoy the idea of holding a controller for hours to much

green crypt
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index controllers are nice for that no need to hold it

lime pewter
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those are the ones I would get if I did get any

harsh niche
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how hard would you guys say Into The Radius is to run?

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it looks really cool and it's on sale rn

wispy orchid
rancid kestrel
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Polygon filling is far more expensive than polygons themselves from what I understand.

haughty thistle
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Isn't into the radius like one of the like 2 or 3 titles that have Nvidia DLSS with VR support?

lime pewter
wise crescent
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I bought into the radius but haven't tried it yet

rapid otter
rapid otter
sullen linden
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Hey guys i just wanted to know if this is a legit website to buy the oculus quest 2

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I just saw an ad on tiktok

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?

pulsar glacier
wispy orchid
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The quest 2 is not the only product they sell, it wouldn't make sense for them to create a different address for every product, it would be like meta.com/Quest-2 or something

pulsar glacier
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It doesn't look legit anyways lol

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The websites poorly made and didn't automatically switch to my currency USD lol

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Considering the website didn't have a region ending in the url I would expect to automatically detect and switch

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Unless that isn't how that works

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Eitger way didn't look legit

wispy orchid
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Googling it links to both the Facebook store and oculus site, but the oculus buy page redirects to the Facebook store

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But, again, US page. Don't know Spain link

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Unless it's just a .com

harsh niche
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49,99€ aka 49.99€ is $50 which should be $299

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don’t trust things off of TikTok

pulsar glacier
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I don't trust tik tok in and of itself

harsh niche
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true

wispy orchid
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Don't use TikTok and you'll have a much better time

pulsar glacier
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Living my best life w/o Tik Tok

crystal sluice
gusty shore
sullen linden
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Thanks yall

pulsar glacier
haughty thistle
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Imagine giving all your data to the Chinese, when it's already in the hands of the Americans

  • This post was sponsored by the FBI, CIA and NSA
lime pewter
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I don't care about who has it as long as it isn't facebook

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I've had to much spam because of them in the past, lol