math-and-meta

[pure plume]

this is the iron now btw

[tender niche]

Hi guys, at what level of complexity do you put products on trains? For example, are you putting iron ore on trains? Steel ingots? Encased Steel Beams? Heavy Encased Frame?

[vapid gorge]

reallly up to you - some people like moving ore to processing, some people build up on location before shipping

[tender niche]

I'm sure all ways are possible, I'm just talking myself into and out of ideas.

[tender palm]

Hey guys, I am currently waiting for my factory to finish the materials for phase 2 and was hoping I could pick your brains a bit.
With the ability to unlock refineries very soon (I hope), pure iron and pure copper will come soon.

Is it more efficient to transport ore from a mining-only outpost to a factory or is on-site refining better and then transporting the ingots?

[vapid gorge]

a huge part of the game is figuring out how you like to set things up 🙂

[upper arrow]

i currently have a 8 coal energy gen which runs for several minutes (yday for hours) setup at 600 mw
but it broke down yday, i fiddled around and got it to work again (long way from miner to goal gens

now they are running at 600 for several minutes again but i had that happen yday as well where i waited several minutes, saw it not having issues or going down in energy gen but while out hunting/building etc the fuse broke again because of some instability
my water flow is good, my coal is good
i added 2 more pumps just to be sure
but what could be the issue if i am fine for 20 minutes at 600 mw and it breaks down for no reason

im currently trying to reproduce it

[tender niche]

Could you drop a picture in screenshots?

@vapid gorge This is the right answer. Could you read my mind and tell me how I like it? <sarcasm, genuine> Thanks... Back to the factory...

[vapid gorge]

picture in here is fine

[pure plume]

foundry went up to 14

well it goes up to 18 but the lowest is 14

[upper arrow]

sure, of what? im currently fine but yday it happened 1-2 times and i didnt change anything so im confused on why it stopped working so im basically asking what are classic issues people have here so i can hunt for problems till i can reproduce it
i have to dip for a bit, i will try to reproduce the issue while im out and once it happen again ill send some screenshots

[vapid gorge]

over head shot that shows pipes gen and extractor set up

[tender niche]

A screenshot of your complete pipe layout is the fist thing that comes to mind.

Pipes are normally where these go bad. Then we'll ask for overclocking/underclocking numbers.

[eager solar]

Can I place a marker on the interactive map and have it in-game?

[tender niche]

Yes, you can select the marker and "highlight" it

[eager solar]

trying to mark a node but I do'nt see the option

[tender niche]

"M" to map, click marker to get options, "Highlight Marker" near the bottom.

[eager solar]

doesn't work. Just in case, I'm talking about the external tool map not the in-game one

[tender niche]

Oh, that I do not know.

You could always write down the coordinates and create a marker in game with those.

[eager solar]

yeah, but I was wondering if there was a more convenient way

[upper arrow]

ill wait and see if i still have problems down the line, my setup is a bit shit to screenshot so as long as it works now im fine with it but much appreciated

[tender niche]

No worries - in general, the issue is pipe throughput, but hard to say.

[eager solar]

Definitely sounds like a pipe problem, can you describe how you connected them? Also, did you make sure you have enough headlift for them?

[upper arrow]

at what point do you folks redo your base stuff and rebuild them to connect more? rn i have a lot of random shit going on like here a factory, there a factory but all small scale (with 1-2 nodes max per production line)
im trying to figure out when i should start combining factories (like rn making 5 versatile framework per minute but i have 0 seperate steel production and i feel i could do more but im mainly use satisfactorytools.com to calculate seperate factories

basically when should i start scaling up stuff
mk2 miner?

[vapid gorge]

after coal power often.

maybe mk3 belts

[gleaming shoal]

Honestly I went half way through the game like that lol I used trucks wayyy too much

[random creek]

I usually wait till around the time when I have plastic and rubber going. At that point is when you gotta start scaling up and bringing in resources from elsewhere. The way I design my starter base though i just have to box it up and make it look pretty. I then tear down the rest and redo it for aesthetics

[tender niche]

I don't know the answer, but I want to know when you find out...

[random creek]

Right now I'm getting my oil rig up so I can decomm my floating coal plants and put that coal to use in other things

[warm basalt]

Has anyone gotten Steel Coated Plate alt for Iron Plates? Is it simply not on the new wiki yet? Or has it been removed?

[floral lantern]

sorcery \

[pure plume]

fr

[gloomy palm]

this might seem like a stupid or obvious question, but why do buildings in the codex have a 'parts per minute' calculation? isn't it that you can only build them with the build gun rather than craft them or automate them? 🤔

like, it's not a recipe so much as it is a build requirement 🤔 am i ever going to need to know how many materials i need to produce 60 coal generators per minute?

[warm basalt]

No, you will not need to know that.

I think it's a result of the format in which the info is displayed

They will probably modify it at some point to make the yellow text disappear for buildings

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's jsut total parts for the to do

[gloomy palm]

Ah maybe yeah 🤔

[fierce berry]

Are Mk 2 Pipes fixed? Can they now function at full volume?

[last pecan]

my guess is that it is implemented in the code as a recipe

[gloomy palm]

yeahhhh

they didn't differentiate between recipes inside the buildings, and the recipe for building the buildings

[deft lichen]

That's exactly how it works

Recipes are both for buildings and items/fluids

[median pivot]

i wish i can see producer and comsumer in the power grid...

[deft lichen]

Huh?

[median pivot]

huh?

[deft lichen]

The power graph shows production and consumption

[median pivot]

yea but no detail of the consumer and producer

[deft lichen]

What detail could you want?

[median pivot]

i was trying to troubleshoot why is my power flickering and i went to all of my power plants across the map to find out

instead if there is detail showing if there was only 7 fuel gen working during the dip i could id the issue right away

[deft lichen]

Segment the power grid with priority switches

[median pivot]

i know but wouldnt it be nice to see the detail of your grid

segment it still wont solve the problem of seeing the detail

[wind spade]

They were never broken

[fierce berry]

Wait, so why was everyone saying not to use them at full capacity?

[wind spade]

Because people didn't know how to do that

[fierce berry]

So...can I use Mk 2 Pipes at full capacity without issues?

[glad vigil]

Iron pipe + iron wire + steel rotor is slightly less efficient than regular rotor

But it’s screwless rotor

[wind spade]

Yes. Loop the pipe, prefill, feed from above, should work

[fierce berry]

Okay, thanks!

Is that like...intended behaviour? Does water actually work like that irl?

[wind spade]

Yes, the "problems" with mk2s people had were caused by water hammer, which is a very real irl effect

[quick gorge]

Fluid hammering..
Maybe we should recommend plubling courses..
Here is Satisfactroy you need an actual degree.. 🙃

[heavy gust]

Im not sure if i should use trains or pipes to transport the oil to my factory.
the distance doesnt feel long enough for trains, but im not sure how well pipes work in 1.0
any advice?

[bronze kestrel]

How many degrees are we talking about ? 🤷🏽‍♂️

[quick gorge]

Plumbing for a start :]

[bronze kestrel]

If you don't have to pump the oil way up. (What is possible) You can do it. But I try to move my fluid as less as possible. And build my factory around my resource wells.
It's up to you, if you like a challenge.

[heavy gust]

yeah issue is that i need the heavy oil resedue in the factory

or i could move it closer to the oil, perhaps thats best

and instead transport the coal/caterium/sulfur a longer way

[bronze kestrel]

Yeah, pipes are not my friend and I don't have a plumbing degree. So i move my factory towards them instead the other way around

[heavy gust]

i have had major issues with pipes in the past

[bronze kestrel]

Same

[heavy gust]

full mk2s HATE me

avoided them in my new fuel power plant for that reason.
just went with 600 oil into 400 fuel instead

[bronze kestrel]

I didn't really played that much after U8. But as i remember there was some bugs and then you had to redo the pipes and look where the pipe wasn't working and blablabla so on

[heavy gust]

had some issues in update 8 when i fed 200 more fuel in that pipeline. genetators kept turning off

even the 400 had some weird behavior

[bronze kestrel]

Well, enough reasons to keep them as short as possible

Good luck!

[heavy gust]

some refineries kept working at 50% efficiency despite the 600 oil in matching the 400 fuel consumed by generators

cant wrap my head around that one

if they didnt operate at 100%, how come the fuel gens didnt run out of fuel

[deft lichen]

sorry for the late reply, fixed

what do you think?

ignore the typo in unfueled

[analog frigate]

if I want to avoid train crashes, I must place signals at crossings, but also all trains must have same lenght so they all have same speed, right? a 1 wagon train will colide if he has a 4 wagon train at the front, right?

[wind spade]

if you have signals, trains will not crash, no matter what

[deft lichen]

a block is considered occupied if any part of a train occupies it

[maiden arch]

is it wrong that i use alternate recipes for almost everything? i do use less ore in total, but i also need a lot more power. all phase one production lines in total take a little more than 2 GW of power

[deft lichen]

not wrong at all, the opposite actually

[wind spade]

nothing is "wrong"

you can do whatever you want, if you like a recipe, use it

[buoyant mural]

ive started a new savefile and just unlocken cast screws in early game (dont have overclocking) how do I split the smelter output to match the 12,5 for the cast screws

[maiden arch]

just manifold

[deft lichen]

later on you'll be using mostly alt recipes and barely any base ones

[analog frigate]

like, not only on crossings?

[buoyant mural]

but on how many constructors? the clossest ive gotten is 120 split on 10

[vapid gorge]

considering there are often more alt recipes tahn the base recipe, just odds are on that alts will be more useful in situations

[analog frigate]

putting signals on straight rails?

[white bloom]

@deft lichen I've fully figured out Production Amplification now in a creative mode save.

buildings with 1 sloop slot: Constructor, Smelter
with 2: Assembler, Refinery, Foundry, Converter
with 4: Manufacturer, Blender, Particle Accelerator, Quantum Encoder
this list is complete (other buildings don't work).

if x is the number of slotted somersloops and m is the max number of somersloops for that building, the formulas for production and power cost are:
production multiplier = 1 + x/m
power multiplier = (1 + x/m)^2

Will you find the time to turn this into a wiki article? I don't have an account there yet and you can probably format it prettier than me.

[deft lichen]

thank you!
yeah, I'm just about to start creating one, actually 😄

[vapid gorge]

however many you need?

[maiden arch]

how many screws do you need?

[white bloom]

perfect! 🙂

[buoyant mural]

idk i just want a factory that doesnt clog up

[wind spade]

then build one

[white bloom]

it's very interesting. ignoring overclocking, that means it's better to spread your somersloops out across multiple buildings running the same recipe rather than boosting one fully

[wind spade]

any signal will prevent train crashes

the more signals you have, the more trains you can fit on the track... up to some threshold

[buoyant mural]

thats why I was asking how

[deft lichen]

oh that's true, I suppose the same logic applies to overclocking too

[wind spade]

not sure what exactly you're asking for?

[buoyant mural]

on how to split my iron output so that it fits for the cast screws

[wind spade]

manifold usually solves everything

[deft lichen]

@buoyant mural I think you're looking for a production planner: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/codex/items
then, use a manifold to fill the machines: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[maiden arch]

if you have sinks researched, you can sink overflowing resources into them

[wind spade]

--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |

[white bloom]

I haven't done the math yet on the implications with overclocking. In most cases you'd probably want any building with a somersloop overclocked to the max. In that case spreading them out across more buildings introduces some sort of overhead cost since you'd have to OC 4 manufacturers now instead of one with yeah production amplified by 25%

but I need to do the calculation rigorously

[buoyant mural]

I might be overthinking this wait a sec

[deft lichen]

yeah, it also makes sense you want to use both at the same time to apply the boost to "2.5 machines", in essence
so the best effect is achieved by having the most insane power draw

[white bloom]

the power cost multipliers from overclocking and production amplification are multiplicative btw just in case anyone is wondering

maybe yes. I will work this out on pen and paper later and get back at you when I got a definitive result for an optimal somersloop / overclocking allocation strategy. ^^

[wind spade]

optimal is "put into max clocked machine at the end of chain", if you have excess, put on second-last machine

[deft lichen]

also, you can confirm that if not all slots are filled, the boosted output is always {filled slots}/{all slots} cycles, e.g. 3/4 sloops will mean 3 cycles get double output and 1 cycle doesn't, then it repeats

[analog frigate]

but if I make all trains same speed and acceleration (same wagon length), only need signals at crossings, right?

[deft lichen]

the later the better
power costs are ignored in all of this

[wind spade]

no

[deft lichen]

the entire railway network has to be signalled

[wind spade]

if power is a factor in your decision making... 😛

[deft lichen]

yyyyep

[buoyant mural]

doesnt if I have an output of iron ingots of 120 and I use manifold to split that to 10 constructors that each need 12,5 the constructors each dont have enough to work on full capacity

[wind spade]

well yeah, because you need 125 items and only have 120

[analog frigate]

even on straight rails with no crossings? around how much should I segment?

[buoyant mural]

yeah so I cant just use manifolds to solve the problem

[wind spade]

you can't solve this problem with anything

[analog frigate]

I guess at least one segment per train expected to be on that line

[buoyant mural]

aight

[wind spade]

the problem is that you don't have enough resources, no matter how you build your belts, you can't generate the extra 5 out of thin air

[buoyant mural]

yep

thats what I was asking for

[wind spade]

so just get 5 more or underclock so that you don't need 5 more and build a manifold

[buoyant mural]

il just wait till i have overclocks unlocked then

thx for the help

[deft lichen]

no shorther than your longest train, I personally make blocks 200-400 m long

[wind spade]

well, you can make block shorter than longest train

afaik it doesn't really break anything

but generally there's not much reason to do so

[analog frigate]

do 2 diferent trains with 4 wagons each will move at same speed and acceleration no matter the load?

[wind spade]

more filled train weights more, hence needs more power to get moving

[analog frigate]

ok then yes, I need to signal even without crossings

[white bloom]

you're already thinking about the whole production chain. we were just talking about if you decided to boost a certain recipe that is produced by B buildings with S somersloops and assuming B >= S, how do you allocate the somersloops among the buildings to minimize the power cost, constrained on maximum total production output (i.e., any building that has at least one somersloop in it must be overclocked to 250%)? will you be cheaper off stacking the max num of somersloops in as few buildings as possible to save overclock cost or spread them out just 1 into 1 to save production amp cost?

the somersloop allocation onto various recipes in the production chain is a whole different beast

[wind spade]

that's kinda weird thing to optimise for but w/e

[analog frigate]

greeny approach is great for scalability

because you keep upgrading from the end

[royal yacht]

Yeah if you scale from the end you increase the power of the largest machine but at the cost of not having to build or clock or sloop every machine before it

So in terms of power efficiency it’s always best to sloop from the back forwards

[analog frigate]

there's any moment where you really won't care about power and just add power slugs to everything?

[royal yacht]

If the back has multiple machines though yes I see your point… 1 and 1(4S) or 1(2S) and 1(2S)

[analog frigate]

I got the packaged fuel and pretty much I'm ignoring power now

but still dont have infinite power slugs researched

[wind spade]

once you get to coal power

[analog frigate]

ahaha

[royal yacht]

I feel like at coal power you still care about power, but only from a pov of “make sure I don’t go over this”

[analog frigate]

I wouldn't use so many coal nodes just for power

[royal yacht]

After fuel you do go a bit nuts

[gloomy palm]

ye but it could be confusing for newbies like me 😌 especially that parts per minute calculation on there

[potent isle]

is there like a map/calculator to visualise my own factory and its calculations similar to the production planner tool?

[gloomy palm]

I guess it could be useful if you were like, "I'm gonna need 20 goal generators, how many resources will I need for that"

but you can accomplish this by adding 20 coal gens to your to-do list

so am not really sure if the 60 parts per minute of coal gens is useful directly, you still need to calculate the materials unless you plan to make exactly 60 of them

🤔🤔hmm

[analog frigate]

for future me, I'm adding outputs, might split later to use it somewhere else, right now it's only going to a box

and sink

[analog frigate]

for power I usually go the other way, dedicate one full node to power and calculate from that

[gloomy palm]

🤔

[wind spade]

@patent sapphire see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[analog frigate]

actually I'm doing that right now, using one full node for plastic, other for rubber, because I have packaged fuel which is best for power, then I'm going to use those plastic and rubber to make these, hauling rest of ores here

and on the way I'm getting a ton of power

just making sure my rubber/plastic outputs are greater than demand

[deft lichen]

opinion needed: is "slooping"/"overslooping" a term that can be used to refer to the Somersloop production amplifier?

[wind spade]

(and if yes, which one? ||and why is it slooping||)

[civic bluff]

Beautiful ceiling mounted conveyers and splitters/mergers for my 480/min compacted coal setup 🙂

All the machines are on the floor above and are fed with conveyer lifts

[wind spade]

"beautiful" big floating flat block 🤔

[civic bluff]

talking about the belt setup lmao

[analog frigate]

does it matter how much I move horizontally a tube for reaching same height?

[civic bluff]

no need to be a negative nancy!

this is also #math-and-meta not #design-and-architecture lmaooooo

[civic bluff]

this is an ugly screenshot according to @wind spade he thinks your art is bad

[analog frigate]

he's right

[civic bluff]

and no, pressure only depends on elevation change

[wind spade]

(and game has no pressure)

only headlift

[civic bluff]

head, etc. same thing

i have a mechanical engineering degree lmao

[buoyant mural]

Is this a good output rate for a tier 2 factory or should I change something

[analog frigate]

I like the icons for this calculator but it's so hard to see the numbers on the lines for the belts

[buoyant mural]

what other calculators are there?

[wind spade]

#welcome has some

[analog frigate]

I like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[buoyant mural]

thx

[analog frigate]

but I'm seeing something wrong

[buoyant mural]

what

[analog frigate]

I use the ratios shown but seems to clog

so if it says 6.66 I just use 7

[wind spade]

then you have idle buildings

the 6.66 is accurate

[buoyant mural]

are these good outputs or should I switch something up

[analog frigate]

I also never know how much I need, check the wiki to see what each thing builds and think if it's enough, or how long it will take to reach the smart plating amount you need

I plan around my inputs

can I turn camera without moving pump so I see that indicator thing reaching the end of the tube?

oh nice, H does that

[fierce cypress]

for storage?

[buoyant mural]

for what ill need in the future

[wind spade]

don't make things for future

[fierce cypress]

you'll need magnitudes more of everything in the future ^^

[wind spade]

make what you need now
if you'll need something in the future, build that in the future

[buoyant mural]

but as an example i know that ill need a lot of screws soon ill build a factory that makes a lot of screws

[crystal charm]

we can't share blueprints can we?

[fierce cypress]

pretty sure you can

[buoyant mural]

so I dont want to build like a million plates if I need more rods than plates

[deft lichen]

• Sharing save files or blueprints in this discord is NOT allowed as we cannot verify the links. Do not post them here.
I'm not a mod, that's in #rules

[crystal charm]

i dont' mean here, i mean like, in general

so, in theory, i could make a blueprint for an iron smelter building

and then i could export that bp and say, share it with you? not here in this discord as it's against the rules, but like, in theory?

[deft lichen]

@white bloom https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Production_amplifier page is up

[deft lichen]

there are websites for BP sharing

[crystal charm]

cool

[deft lichen]

I'm not sure whether uploading a BP to the site and then sharing a link is okay, you should check with mods via #open-a-ticket

[crystal charm]

there's more to the game than this discord, so i'm happy to keep those rules

[white bloom]

I did a mistake in my message earlier - converter can be amplified too, it's 2 slots! my bad

I can't edit the article

[upper arrow]

i was about to ask smth regarding BP is there a page or idea side for those? i never worked with BP before since i mainly played before they were a thing

im fine with ideas etc as well but im kinda clueless on what i should use it for (the mk1 at least, didnt get further)

[deft lichen]

I looked it up in docs to double check and somehow missed it as well...?

[white bloom]

I had a table with all the buildings listed and wrote the number of slots into a colum next to it and when I wrote that message earlier, looked over that column and enumerated the once I saw. I skipped over converter ^^

so it was right in my table but my message was wrong. I edited it now
(the message, not the article)

[deft lichen]

oh yeah I was reading the wrong thing

"ClassName": "Build_Converter_C",
"mProductionBoostPowerConsumptionExponent": "2.000000",
"mProductionShardSlotSize": "2",
"mProductionShardBoostMultiplier": "0.500000",

fixed

thanks for your help

[white bloom]

np. created an account now too it will probably be worth it in the long term lol

[livid meteor]

Quick question, how do I design train stations again? With path and block signals?

[livid meteor]

yea thsi one

I was looking for that, ty

[analog frigate]

I'm checking overclocking consumption, did test with iron rod to screw, 250% speed increase increase power consumption from 4 to 13.4 which is a 235% increase

I tought it would take more power than the speed increased, seems I should always overclock to max?

it's even more profitable

[deft lichen]

you mixed it up

[analog frigate]

yep

not sure how but yeah

[deft lichen]

it's 250% production rate and 335% power consumption

or +150% production rate and +225% power

[analog frigate]

I'm setting 20 plastic factories and I was wondering about overclocking

[remote ice]

Something i've been wondering - if i want to transport large quantities of ore to the north ocean for pure ingot processing, should i even bother with trains?

because with mk6 belts it would take a lot of train to move that much ore

since each wagon only holds about 3 whole seconds of a mk6 belt

[wind spade]

minutes

[remote ice]

oooh

[wind spade]

also depends on stack size

[remote ice]

once again, Satisfactory being one of the only games to measure production rates in per minute trips me up lmao

[deft lichen]

what other games use /s? I know Factorio does

[remote ice]

right, a wagon per 3-ish minutes is not nearly as bad as a per 3-ish seconds

[remote ice]

well it's ore, so 100.

[deft lichen]

now make it a 8 wagon train and you have 24 minutes... and then 2 trains for 2 belts

[remote ice]

modded minecraft often does. Or per 20th second for faster production rates

[deft lichen]

hmmm alright

[livid meteor]

I wanna build a new train station, recommendation for how many platforms it should have?

10 too long?

[sick ivy]

4-6 platforms is usually enough for most setups. 10 can be too long unless you're handling massive amounts of resources or have a huge network.

[vast jungle]

Last time I went with a 1-4 train setup (one locomotive, 4 wagons)... this already results in huge train stations... often the lower floor of a factory building was "station only"

[livid meteor]

Hmm, I did 10 lenght for now, doesn't mean I need to put 10 there

what incline can a train take? 2m?

[sick ivy]

I would go for 2m incline per foundation if possible

[livid meteor]

yea I was thinking about 1m or 2m

not sure if a train can climb 2m with a lenght of 10

[sick ivy]

Try it out. 1m incline could be better in this case.

[obsidian breach]

holy sheit, the augmenters are crazy! 🫣

[valid sentinel]

hello! is there any solution for uneven distribution for iron rods in this picture

I did something like this

[white bloom]

the solution is letting it fill up its internal buffers. The belts will stall and thus the flow self-corrects after some delay. The community calls this a manifold and it works perfectly fine after the initial delay.

[crystal charm]

oh, i haven't tested this out yet, but will a train blueprint snap to itself?

[valid sentinel]

just what I though, but when the machines start making rotors it didn't work and I got a bit confused

I guess I just gotta wait till all the machines make 100 rotors

[white bloom]

as long as your total supply is enough to cover the total demand, it will eventually work

but the delay can get pretty long until it runs at 100%, depending on the stack size

i wrote an article on this a while back

[valid sentinel]

the problem I think that it takes longer to reach the last assembler that the first one ends making a rotor

[white bloom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/198wq1a/manifold_production_delay_ramp_up_time_analysis/ there it is. all there is to know about the topic, honestly a bit too much lol

[valid sentinel]

ah thanks

[crystal charm]

nerd 😛

[white bloom]

but tldr as long as total input >= total consumption it will work eventually, you just may have to wait some indeterminate amount of time

read for details if you really want to calculate just how long exactly for your production line in question

[deft lichen]

@white bloom I did a math error, thanks for the correction
it means what I put in the tips section is actually double, so:

The Quantum Encoder's power usage peaks at 2,000 MW by default. With a maximum overclock and amplification, it will average at 13,431 MW and peak at 26,862 MW.

[wind spade]

it will always work no matter the input

belting doesn't change how efficient your factories are

[deft lichen]

if you produce power for the average consumption, you'll need 135 power storages per 1 encoder

perhaps I treated you too harshly, Alien Power Augmenter

[white bloom]

right, what I meant is the following line of buildings will not reach 100% occupancy if there is not enough input

(kind of obvious but it's the most frequent error in these kind of questions)

[ashen girder]

Much clearer! Awesome!

[valid sentinel]

I may have not the required input

let me check

[ancient hinge]

hello, I need to split miner Out to 4/5 and 1/5, I forgot how to do that, can you guys help me?

[deft lichen]

you can avoid having to that, just manifold

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[valid sentinel]

it was a bottle neck with the conveyor belts

[ancient hinge]

I cant

[ashen arrow]

I cracked the code, and I wasn't expecting that

turns out you can't make sulfur, coal, limestone and iron out of the others

[white bloom]

wdym? yes you can, you see it in your own picture

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Converter

oh I see what you mean now, nvm

from another resource that isn't one of those

[ashen arrow]

yeah I mean the "groups" not the individual resources

[white bloom]

got it. yes the graph is not strongly connected

[deft lichen]

is this draw.io? If you could send the drawio file over, I can put this chart on the wiki

[ashen arrow]

yup

[deft lichen]

yes, you can

[ancient hinge]

cuz its from miner and those two thing are going to different factories, it would take ages to manifold

[deft lichen]

pre-fill it then

[ashen arrow]

there you go

[deft lichen]

TY

[ashen arrow]

feel free to move things around, I made the arrows stick to the nodes (and rotate with them)

[deft lichen]

I think I'll flip it around, so the basic resources are at the top

[ancient hinge]

how in the world am I supposed to prefill whole factory

[ancient hinge]

if you cant help me just say it

[deft lichen]

if you insist on a balancer, split to 6, then merge 1 of them back to the start

[true ledge]

anyone know how to use splitters to have fours outputs where 3 are 60/min and 1 is 90/min

[white bloom]

the four strongly connected components of this are:
1: {Coal, Iron, Limestone, Sulfur} , 2:{Bauxite, Caterium, Copper, Quartz}, 3a:{Nitrogen}, 3b:{Uranium}. can't get to elements in a lower number from a higher one or a different one with the same number. But wouldn't want to use most of them anyways, lol

[deft lichen]

again, unneeded, just use a manifold

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[deft lichen]

put the 90/min building first

[ashen arrow]

yeah good summary

now I'm trying to figure out if the conversion rates hint some sort of resource value

first 1 sam always lead to 12 resources, so that's convenient

and uranium is 4 times more valuable than bauxite, it's an easy one since it only has one path

[copper atlas]

Does fluid buffer reset high headlift ?

[fiery oyster]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[ashen arrow]

fuel generators always behave the same (technical term: linearly)

like at 200% it's like 2 generators

[fiery oyster]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[indigo bloom]

remember kids, if you planned to overclock your water extractors, be sure to actuall do it

[ancient hinge]

thanks

[ancient oriole]

What splitters are you using?

[valid sentinel]

the dumb ones

[deft lichen]

added, put images in it too https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Converter

[ashen arrow]

that's beautiful 👌

also I found a very strong correlation between conversion rates

except a single one for now, which is super weird

[deft lichen]

if there's any extra data you'd like to add, let me know

diagram or otherwise

[ashen arrow]

I'll finish this study and publish my results 🙂

[ancient oriole]

Well, nothing else to do, except wait. The machines will fill out and when they don't need anymore rods, the excess, instead of going into the 1st machine, will just follow the rest and go into 2nd, then that will repeat.

[valid sentinel]

ye now it's working properly

[ashen arrow]

here you go, all resources with their reverse density (it means that for example 1 uranium or is worth 30 limestone)

the 3 conversion rates I colored in red on top would be right if the inverse density of nitrogen, caterium and quartz was 4.8 instead of 5

so quite close

but sulfur to limestone is completely off (and positive, unlike the others)

so you can convert SAM into all resources, and there are only two ways to do it: loop sulfur, limestone and coal, or loop sulfur, limestone and iron
both have the same rates, coal is more advisable if you want the other resources, and iron only if you need iron

[flint vector]

does anyone know how one can possible load balance this correctly so it doesnt run like an absolute catastrophy ?

[old peak]

lemme read 1 sec

[old peak]

i know

first, the iron ore

240/8=30

so you could split the 240 line of iron ore into the 8 smelters, and saturate them ALL perfectly

a simple manifold line should do the job

the ingots are trickier though

[flint vector]

exactly

[ancient oriole]

Manifold, your fix-it-all

[ancient oriole]

You have smart splitters?

[flint vector]

yea

[ancient oriole]

Manifold again.

[flint vector]

so i need like 20 smart splitters that do what exactly

just overflow into overflow ?

[ancient oriole]

You set it to only send anything ahead, when there is overflow.

[upbeat flame]

I thought Fuel Generators make more power if you give them better fuel? Or are they always 250MW each regardless of what you do?
Sorry for the stupid question, first time getting this far.

[ancient oriole]

They consume less fuel per minute, dependent on fuel.
Which means, Turbofuel for example, can power 2.66667 more machines than Fuel can.

You get 2.66667 more power from Turbofuel than Fuel.

[ashen arrow]

so since with 3 RSAM you make 6 more limestones, I can say that RSAM has twice the value of limestone, thus SAM or has half the value of limestone
which is very low
here in blue all the ratios that match together, in red the ratios that are negative to the rest and in green the one that is positive relative to the rest

[upbeat flame]

and when a refinery says "30 per minute", it means 30m3 per minute, right?

[upbeat tide]

Yes thats the output

[upbeat flame]

ok, just making sure. I think thats the first time ive seem them refer to a fluid without saying "m3"

[ancient oriole]

So the red lines = Bad conversion. Bauxite to Nitrogen = Bad. Bauxite to Quartz = Bad

[upbeat tide]

So a turbofuel fuel gen plant allows you to either use more fuel gens for a given supply, or more room to overclock them

[pseudo gust]

trying to plan a rotor line early game and the planer shock me

[ancient oriole]

Planers end up confusing me more than when I just plan it myself

[upbeat tide]

Yea SCIM's planner tool is not that useful imo

I use Greeny's as its more logical in topology

[sturdy viper]

What's the fastest way of travel atm? If it's hyper cannons, do they really have to be absurdly long? 😂

[ancient oriole]

Portal. Its instant.

[sturdy viper]

Alright aside from that haha

[pseudo gust]

is it this one?https://www.satisfactorytools.com/

[upbeat tide]

Yes

[pseudo gust]

does it have a detailed mode?

[upbeat tide]

Switch it to 1.0 version, and you can get very granular. Disable, enable recipes, limit input volume, etc

[flint vector]

like that ?

[ancient oriole]

Hypercannon if it still works.
Else, probably jump up on a drone and then have fun. Else its trains.
Or if you can line it up perfectly, place down a fast belt, MK4, 5 or 6. Then glide and jump on it, have jetpack on and watch yourself go faster than a jet.

[upbeat tide]

looks like that

[ashen arrow]

yes, tho the bad ones are 4.8/5 so basically you "lose" only 4% of the resource "value"

now I'm gonna compare that result to the map distribution

for reference:
Uranium has a value of 60
Bauxite has a value of 20
Caterium, Quartz and Nitrogen have a value of 12
Copper and Sulfur have a value of 10
Coal has a value of 6
Iron has a value of 4
Limestone has a value of 2
SAM ore has a value of 1

[pseudo gust]

i'm having trouble with this part, rod is 15/min/constructor, how do i get 100/min to 10 constructor

[ashen girder]

With 5 or 10 splitters.

[upbeat tide]

manifold

[ancient oriole]

Yup. I think the screw part for Rotor and Plate will be tougher to setup. But its basically just having 3 lines of manifold. One for screws, one for rods, one for iron plate.

[upbeat tide]

manifold, split, or overclock choice is yours

[obsidian breach]

two enormous 1 to 5 balancers of course! No, use manifold 🙃

[pseudo gust]

speaking of overclock, is overlock setting available in this site?

[silver aurora]

how well do the drones work as far as making everything reliant on those?

[upbeat tide]

nope you just figure out the reduced number of machines, or more if you underclock

[ancient oriole]

Everything? Like, ores, ingots, everything?

[weak rose]

wich one?

[upbeat tide]

Greeny's is a logical topology. It will give you the formula but not the physicl plan

[obsidian breach]

depends on where you are, but i would go for copper sheet

[upbeat tide]

what do you need more? silicon circuit is awesome. Steamed copper is just more mass production

[ancient oriole]

Drones are bad for ores, but good for finished products.
Trains are good for ores & ingots, as in, big quantity of products getting moved.

[weak rose]

not in need for copper rn so ig silicon circuit

[ancient oriole]

Just let it be in the MAM, if you aren't producing or need to produce lots of either.

[upbeat tide]

silicon circuit boards is my ffav of the CB alts IMO

[flint vector]

so how would one manage the 96.667/min and 53.334/min like this, because thats the part my head has been hammering itself

[upbeat tide]

esp combined with cheap silica

[silver aurora]

yeah i think basicly thinking of runing everything to the same area i looked at building more in the sky and using alot more some box methos for crafting ores I just feel like everything is everywhere and havnt really found a great way to make sure you get fuel and be able to craft on mass

[weak rose]

hard drives are like gacha lmao

[vapid gorge]

drones are fine for all stages if you want to use them, but over very short distances they are awkward

[silver aurora]

started a new build since 1.0 dropped so basicly starting over

[upbeat tide]

we all did, or should have

[valid garden]

What planner is this

[ancient oriole]

It will manage itself. When one machine is full, the overflow will send it to the next. You are producing 240 iron ingots and using 240 iron ingots.
Just the start that takes time to fill up. When its full, it will just... flow.

[vapid gorge]

a terrible one

[valid garden]

Really? Why? I like the way out looks and it would help me visually with planning

[vapid gorge]

it's very much best to never ever use it's layout plans as they are terribly stupid

[upbeat tide]

use SCIM for the interactive map
not for the calculator

[vapid gorge]

you also never learn to actually make good layouts if you rely on it. It's like chatgpt. It technically works but holy hell they get bad

[upbeat tide]

hence why I like this. If I want to do something funky like a balancer, or perfect split, thats my own choice, rather than the calculator telling me

[ancient oriole]

Ye, that there is nice.

[upbeat tide]

granted bad example as the ratios there are simple

[vapid gorge]

also the SCIM one has no idea if any of the bits it's splitting are close to one another, or you make multiple points that make a part for it's respective areas

[valid garden]

I guess I just don't like everything being combined

[upbeat tide]

my only issue with greeny's tool atm is that currently its trying to do ore conversion if you try to maxamize an output

and thus gotta disable more stuff

[vapid gorge]

you don't have ot have it in one group - it lets you build better designs

like wtf is this ?

[valid garden]

So you can split the "3x foundry" to individual nodes in the designer?

[upbeat tide]

I guess? Im not planning yet how much steel pipes and beams ill make yet from the 180 ingots

prob just split down the middle tbh but another story another day

[vapid gorge]

you're much much better off learning the basics of managing throughput

otherwise you're going to end up in a spider web nightmare as you move away from the very basic plans

[valid garden]

Like i said I'm just a very visual person and it's helpful to be able to see individual production devices. Which is why that other one appealed to me

[ancient oriole]

Iron to Sulfur, would likely be very good, due to the insanely high quantity of iron but low-mid quantity of Sulfur

92,100 Iron vs 10,800 Sulfur. In exchange for 3,000 Iron Ore and 100 Reanimated SAM(400 SAM out of 10,200), you get 1,200 Sulfur.

[vapid gorge]

well if you don't learn the basics this is what you'll end up with very soon

good luck sorting that out visually

[ancient oriole]

I took a look at it, then I took a closer look.

After that, I decide its a pretty rainbow.

[valid garden]

Lol holy crap

[vapid gorge]

YEAH. that's not even a particularly large volume of end product and nto a final tier item

[valid garden]

I barely got into t5/6 so I'm already a bit overwhelmed. That looks terrible

[vapid gorge]

I'm not trying to torture you here, being able to manage belting and designing sane layouts is a core skill in the game

[upbeat tide]

my best advice is to plan for the end goal > than break your plan down into managable chunks, eg the main steps towards said plan
makes things more manageable to think that way instead of macro

[lusty summit]

was this always in the game? Why i'm feeling weird about this

[vapid gorge]

the SCIM logic system for designing logistics breaks down HARD very quickly

[lusty summit]

it would be really nice if they posted detailed 1.0 patch notes instead of a brief one

[vapid gorge]

new

[ashen arrow]

now that there are the leached ingot alternate recipes, it would indeed be quite convenient

[lusty summit]

this seems like a really good one, since you already use concrete for encased beams, what are your thoughts?

[valid garden]

Yea I guess I need some reasonable instruction on that front. Are there any youtubers or anything that you c m recommend for help understanding design

[vapid gorge]

chances are it's use case is pretty broad yeah

[lusty summit]

not a core imho, the most important

if your layouts are not good, troubleshooting becomes a hell

[vapid gorge]

pfffftt.... you could look at total exclipse for basic manifolding?

but it's mostly practice and breaking things into chunks of your maximum belt speed

[lusty summit]

what exactly is your problem with basic manifolding?

i could help you, it's really simple to be totally honest

[vapid gorge]

more layout I think

[valid garden]

I'm not sure. This is my first game like this and I'm terrible at designing things. I can make stuff functional but it looks like crap

[vapid gorge]

ok for example this plan - assume you have mk2 belts as a maximum

you know at 480 ore you'll need at least 4 sources of iron right?

you'll need to break up the Iron plates into 3 groups of constructors since you need at least 3x belts for 270 ingots, ect ect

make nodes either on a spread sheet or paper next to you

[lusty summit]

can i cut you to make it even simpler?

[vapid gorge]

oh and your first factories will be terrible.

Just accept that.
If you aren't learning to do 10 things better with each system you're doing something wrong

[lusty summit]

there is a better way for new players

[vapid gorge]

give it a shot

[ancient oriole]

Its neat, to convert a high quantity ore into a low quantity ore.
You could if you wanted to, would cost quite abit of SAM, convert Iron into Uranium.

[vapid gorge]

which is funny because it's iron that fuses to itself and other elements in a super nova to make heavier elements

[lusty summit]

Say that you want to start a concrete factory and you have only 1 Limestone resource around, this one which is limestone normal

and say that you have only MK1 Miner for Now, what do you do? you place the miner and look at the output rate

it's 60 limestone per minute in this example

you open the codex and find out the concrete or click n and type concrete

[wind spade]

whichever you want

[ancient oriole]

Oh that is funny

[lusty summit]

You can see the "per cycle" values of the inputs and outputs of concrete, if you click on it once, it also shows you the per minute values

we have 60 limestones per minute, 1 constructor uses 45 per minute

[wind spade]

you can under/overclock

[lusty summit]

how many constructors do we need? 60/45= 1.33, since you can't place 1.33 constructors(for now) you simply place 2 constructors and split the 60p/m limestone into 2 machinery

start from zero, you don't have to complicate stuff

a very basic layout that will never change until the end of game (other than 2 input+ machinery)

splitter at the input side of machinery and merger and the output side of machinery, if you want to make a manifold

[weak rose]

are there enough harddrives in the game to unlock all alt recipies?

[sweet ocean]

yes

[lusty summit]

yes

[weak rose]

sweet

[ashen arrow]

is it needed tho?

I mean, I'm used to uranium in factorio being abysmally cheap

idk how it is in satisfactory

[lusty summit]

i will never use that converter unless i made a very bad choice and the resoruce that i need is in the other edge of the map

it just kills the fun

i understand the cloud storage

but not so much the converter

[ashen arrow]

good point actually, sounds like a very good way to make outposts instead of a central factory

[glad vigil]

With these new recipes you can make a heavy modular frame that is ~70% concrete

[ashen arrow]

could potentially save so many belts

[lusty summit]

which exactly is against the core mechanic of the game

[glad vigil]

Not really

[lusty summit]

it just removes the design/planning and logistics parts of it

[glad vigil]

There was steamed copper sheet alt

[lusty summit]

based on this, it would be much simpler to land into a iron giant and convert everything else from iron

[glad vigil]

You can make copper sheets that have more water than copper in them

[lusty summit]

instead of finding planets with different type of resoruces

i know it's a game, but it even falls short in the game , atleast that's how i feel to be totally honest

i don't really mind people using it or liking it

that's totally ok

[wind spade]

central factory was never good

[valid garden]

TY this basic design is actually quite helpful, and makes sense seeing it

That just shows off how ignorant I am regarding design concepts 🙂

[lusty summit]

you are not ignorant, if you haven't designed stuff before in another similar game or in real life, how do you expect to have any idea for it here?

just try and make mistakes/errors

ask questions where you can't find the solution

and with time you will be much better

[glad vigil]

Reason number 1 is fps

[valid garden]

Thanks ill definitely ask if I need some ideas

[lusty summit]

even if fps wasn't a problem

having everything in 1 big place is so hard for us

[glad vigil]

Remember that your computer is also a limited resource

[lusty summit]

your brain goes boom

[junior escarp]

yo can anyone help me with this?
idk how to like split it

[ashen arrow]

lore-wise SAM was discovered by you the player, it's a totally new thing

[ancient oriole]

Well, yes & no. Depends on how much, you wish to use of it.
There is an 'infinite' and 'finite' amount at the same time.
A total of 2,100 Uranium p/min in Satisfactory

[topaz jetty]

My max cons. is literally .5 MW below my capacity

[wind spade]

one splitter

[ashen arrow]

so a bit less than 1 plutonium fuel rod per second

crazy that you can't even max out a mk1 belt

but well, that would be 1.5TW of power

[true ledge]

can anyone explain why my conveyor is slowing down?

[ancient oriole]

and there is: 12,300 Bauxite. 10,800 Sulfur.
More than enough Bauxite to convert into Uranium.

[ashen arrow]

bauxite is very useful tho

ficsonium, mk5 belts, etc

[ancient oriole]

Fisconium, you can make with iron aswell.

[ashen arrow]

right, I was too focused on the rate that I forgot the value

[ancient oriole]

With Iron, it cost more Reanimated SAM though.

[ashen arrow]

I could compare them btw

[ancient oriole]

Please do

[ashen arrow]

ah but they're ingots

[ancient oriole]

Making MK5 Belt won't need that big of a production of Bauxite, unless you wish to heavily mass produce MK5 Belts.

[ashen arrow]

aluminum and caterium costs are the same

but the ratio of ore to ingot is twice better for aluminum

[ancient oriole]

In terms of SAM?

I think Aluminum is best on the cost of SAM

[ashen arrow]

I mean ficsite recipe

4 ingot each

[ancient oriole]

Takes 120 R-SAM & 720 Iron Ingot to make 30 Fiscite Ingot
Takes 90 R-SAM & 120 Caterium Ingot to make 30 Fiscite Ingot
Takes 60 R-SAM & 120 Aluminum Ingot to make 30 Fiscite Ingot

So its really about the cost of R-SAM. seemingly will also cost less power, to make it with Aluminum.

[true ledge]

there was a tiny conveyor in the splitter which slowed thing a down

[ashen arrow]

@ancient oriole oh wait, the output rate is different

I definitely going with aluminum then

[ancient oriole]

R-SAM consumption rate is also different

[ashen arrow]

you can convert iron to bauxite tho :p

[ashen arrow]

right, 3 per ficsite except the iron recipe which takes 4

[ancient oriole]

Iron takes 4 per Fiscite.
Caterium takes 3 per Fiscite
Aluminum takes 2 per Fiscite.

240 Bauxite -> 240 Alumina Solution -> 360 Aluminum Scrap
180 Aluminum Ingot(Pure recipe)

If you make that twice, you can make 90 Fiscite/p min, for a measly 480 Bauxite.

[ashen arrow]

oh, aluminum only takes 2 holy shit that's gud

[versed violet]

Found the corner of the new moved damage border on paradise island.
Soooooo much free space to build things on the water now!

[ancient oriole]

They have just moved the world border down, no?

[ancient oriole]

So yes, Bauxite best, but does cost Coal instead, so in the end, comes down to what you prefer and what use you might have for SAM.

[versed violet]

yes, it seems to be still diagonal

[ashen arrow]

240 bauxite + sulfuric acid => 480 scrap
480 scrap + silica => 320 aluminum ingot
:p

[ancient oriole]

or Sloppy Alumina + Pure.
200 Bauxite = 240 Alumina Solution = 360 Scrap
Less buildings to make use of and only use Bauxite + Water + Smelter.

[ashen arrow]

right, there's sloppy now

never done the math on that one yet

[ancient oriole]

Doesn't use Sulfur.

[ashen arrow]

10 bauxite => 12 solution
12 solution => 18 scrap
18 scrap => 12 ingots

only 288 ingots per 240 ore tho

and you have more factories
sulfur ingots are really op recipes

[ancient oriole]

In exchange, no cost on Sulfur

Iron to Sulfur, is likely one of the better conversions.
Caterium to Bauxite aswell.
Caterium's use is making Quickwire or Caterium Ingot(Option for Fiscite Ingot)
150 Caterium -> 120 Bauxite.
600 Caterium -> 480 Bauxite -> 120 uranium.

A normal Caterium Node, with a MK3 Miner, can be made into 120 Uranium or 480 Bauxite. At the grand cost of 50 Reanimated SAM.
600 Caterium & 200 SAM.

[true ledge]

is there a way to make it so ressources will only come out the other side of a container when the container is full?

[real mural]

Is there a Production Calculator that works in the oposite way from Satisfactory Tools and the others --> so instead of telling it what output I want and giving me the needed Constructors, I give it the constructors and recipies they use and it gives me what output I can expect?

[analog frigate]

no, but you can use an upgraded splitter to load to the container and then overflow to one side

forgot the name of the splitter

I use it to sink things that would clog the factory

[proven sphinx]

Ive got a question, have 900/min Heavy Oil Redisdue
i can get 1800/min fuel and then go to turbofuel
but should i use the Alternate Turbo blend fuel recipe instead?

[ancient oriole]

Well, with it, diluted fuel and heavy oil residue, you can use 600 crude oil to make 800 Turbofuel.

I'm not good at using tools, but here is an example of it.

[analog frigate]

wait... should I use turbofuel for the fuel generators?

[ancient oriole]

Up to you.

[analog frigate]

I tought it was only for the jetpack

[ancient oriole]

You can use it for fuel gens. All fuels, can be used on fuel gens

[ancient oriole]

Here are the rates.

[analog frigate]

oh wow

thanks, now I need to calculate if I can generate it better than the packaged one

[ancient oriole]

packaged diluted fuel ?

[analog frigate]

yeah, I mean I need to provide sulfur and coal

tons of it

[ancient oriole]

Not really as much as you'd think. Try looking at this aswell

That 800 Turbofuel, makes more power than 2133 Fuel would.

[analog frigate]

thanks

to be fair I should focus on completing the third phase for the elevator

is the reason I was doing so much plastic

later there will be rocket fuel

[ancient oriole]

ye, and later, ionized fuel

[analog frigate]

nice, I have tons of power right now

and I'll have even more after I finish plastic

btw those fuels can be used on jetpack?

jetpack only accepts up to turbofuel, right?

[ancient oriole]

All fuels can be used on jetpacks and drones.

Ionized doesn't pop up, 'cause I haven't unlocked it

[analog frigate]

then the wiki is outdated, I guess the better the fuel the better it works, seems turbofuel makes it go faster according to wiki

[ancient oriole]

Are you using fandom wiki?

[analog frigate]

yes

using google mostly

but yeah, first result

[ancient oriole]

Don't use fandom. Its heavily outdated.

though official wiki doesn't state the info about rocket or ionized either

[sick ivy]

Wiki team is working on it. Everybody is welcome to help: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Special:CreateAccount

[ancient oriole]

Understandable.

[idle drum]

is there any good steel blueprint packs anywhere?

[magic lotus]

Any advice on which hard drive reward to pick?

[idle drum]

what are your options?

[magic lotus]

Oh I was asking in general, but I see the choice is more complicated than I anticipated

[lyric raptor]

Cast screw recipe

[magic lotus]

5 iron ingot for 20 screws u say?

[tepid tundra]

Yo guys what factory can I make with 3 iron normal nodes?

[lyric raptor]

always pick that over anything, from there probably inventory expansion unless theres an alternate recipe that catches your eye

[magic lotus]

Pretty vague I think

[lyric raptor]

Yes, removes the need to make extra pipes for screws when you make your iron factory

[lyric raptor]

An iron factory

[tepid tundra]

No way

[magic lotus]

Nice to hear, it was my first reward. I will focus on inventory expansion from now on then, thanks!

[lyric raptor]

What did you think I was going to say

[tepid tundra]

An effiecient factory for modular frames

[magic lotus]

Then u should have started saying that

[lyric raptor]

what tier are you on?

[lusty summit]

if it's a totally new thing, how exactly ADA knows what it does

[tepid tundra]

4

[steel grove]

can someone join my wolrd and tell me why my factory aint working pls

[lusty summit]

and why we know how to produce stuff from it by simply just researching it in MAM?

[lyric raptor]

Diagnose your own problems lazy bones

[steel grove]

thats what ive been trying what u want me to do now

[lyric raptor]

search up a modular frame factory design on youtube

[lyric raptor]

Find the problem

Won't be able to do it next time if you don't do it now

check all your inputs and outputs and make sure they're all in correctly

make sure all your recipes are set

[steel grove]

thats the problem they arent i did everything step by step with tutorial and it aint working

too low input

[lyric raptor]

so you've found the problem then

get the input up

[steel grove]

ok how do i fix it if i alr followed the tutorial

[steel grove]

how i did it the exact same as shown in the tut

[lyric raptor]

ok so if something is too low, you need to make higher

[steel grove]

why does it work for them but not for me=

[lyric raptor]

are you using the right mk miner?

[ashen arrow]

because you perform research on it, that's why at first it's not useful and then after analysis is discovered that you can activate it etc
also hence its name "strange alien matter" like they have no idea what it even is

[lyric raptor]

you can't say 'i followed it step by step exaclty and did exactly what they did' because you haven't

[steel grove]

yh n its a pure node

[lyric raptor]

what input does the factory need

[steel grove]

4 smelter so 30 each the miner gives 120 so thats 30x4 but only the first miner get enough input the materials travel too slowly over the bands to the next 3 smelters

the tut did it all with mk1 bands n 1 mk2 i have all mk2 bands still doesnt work

[lyric raptor]

I don't know where you're going wrong, but it'll either be something wrong with your belts or the miner

rewatch the youtube tutorial

[lyric raptor]

how long have you run the factory for?

[steel grove]

10mins now ill go check on it again now i was crafting meanwhile

[lyric raptor]

99% of factories need 15-30 mins to work fully

[steel grove]

still the same problem too slow bands smh

[dire lily]

hey, im quite new to this game and Id like to build this Rotor, Reinforced Iron Plate and Modular Frame Factory.
Now my question:
As you can see I need to transport up to 427.5 items/min, but MK2 belts only handle 120. Im planning on using manifolds, can I just insert the items at a later point as you can see in the 2. picture (Green for splitters, blue for mergers) or is there a more efficient / organized way of doing that?

[lyric raptor]

if you're that impateint, turn off the factory, get the raw ore you're and fill all the smelters up with it, gives them a bit of a head start

by the time they've run out, you should be getting ore from the miner

[muted crypt]

You can do this, yeah

You can also choose to have exactly enough on separate belts for each machine (or a small subsection of machines, maybe two or three at a time), but merging mid-belt works.

[dire lily]

Alright thanks, then Ill try it out

[lyric raptor]

I'd hold off on a modular frame factory until you get mk3 belts

[dire lily]

can you elaborate why?

[muted crypt]

High capacity on belts can be a bit frustrating to work with in the early game.

Consider this: you could make five mini factories in one location, each making two per minute. This avoids the potential high-capacity belts issue, while allowing you to scale at your preferred pace.

[lusty summit]

if you are with mk2 belts only, build for mk2 limitation, when you come back later here with mk4 or mk5 belts, you will have a totally different style for it

dont waste your time

[tulip fiber]

Quick question i wanted to build turbo fuel plant and i don't remember how to chain looked it was smth like this:

oil->alternative: heavy oil residue -> Diluted packaged fuel -> Unpack fuel -> Turbo fuel

im right or not

[dire lily]

Makes sense

[lyric raptor]

Not necessary for the amount of frames you're gonna need in the near future, and MK3 will ease belt overload until you get MK4 and 5 better than MK2 ever will

[muted crypt]

Build one to get the production going, and build more as you have time or space.

[muted crypt]

This is correct. You'll need compacted coal and packaged water as well, but this is correct.

[tulip fiber]

thx

[muted crypt]

You can have a 1:1:1 machine count for packager (packaged water) -> refinery (diluted packaged fuel) -> packager (unpackage fuel). You can hand-feed canisters ((at the start)) and keep them in isolated loops rather than merging and manifolding again.

[kind prairie]

Isn't there a way to do turbo fuel without the packing/unpacking, or am I misremembering?

[muted crypt]

Blenders!

[steel grove]

someone help me with slow belts

[muted crypt]

What's up? How can I help?

[steel grove]

ill dm u

[kind prairie]

Give the man faster belts!

[muted crypt]

Go for it

[steel grove]

sent

[tame birch]

can someone tell me why this doesn't work? Im producing 100m3 of fuel per minute, 8 fuel generators are using 96m3 of fuel per minute and last 4 generators just doesn't work

[muted crypt]

Fuel Generators shifted how much regular fuel they use with 1.0

[tame birch]

bruhhh

[muted crypt]

Went from 12 fuel making 150MW to 20 fuel making 250MW

[tame birch]

i didnt notice

[wind spade]

just delete 3 gens and you're fine

[muted crypt]

It's the exact same ratio of fuel to power, it just requires fewer generators to be set up

[tame birch]

Thanks yall

I just did it from memory from 0.8

[tame harbor]

Anyone looked into Rocket Fuel powered drones? About to make a 1,500 m^3 Rocket Fuel factory and wondering if I should siphon some of that off for drone stuff

[muted crypt]

Absolutely understandable

[slate gate]

can someone help me, I have 3 belts carrying 400 coal per minute and I need to make it 4 belts carrying 300 coal per minute and I cant figure it out

[tame harbor]

Where are those belts going?

[slate gate]

Into coal gens

[tame harbor]

Okay answer is Manifold setup

[slate gate]

I have 4x 20 gens all need 15 per minute the I need 1200 coal per minute so 4 belts with 300 and I have 3 coal mines doing 400

[tame harbor]

Once the internal buffer fills up then buildings only takes what it consumes

[muted crypt]

400 -> 200 + 200 -> 100 + 100 + 200
400 -> 200 + 200 -> 100 + 100 + 200
400 -> 200 + 200
merge 100s with 200s

[slate gate]

Yeah I tried that but still cant make it work and look good at the same time

[muted crypt]

I'm unfortunately not home or at a computer to show how you could do it

[wind spade]

usually the best way is to not think about it that way

if you have 3 belts of 400, build the next step so that it needs 3 belts of 400

[topaz hedge]

What's the most aluminum efficient way to produce turbomotors?

[wind spade]

something like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=1Veyb22ZDibUMCzjy0mL

[edgy leaf]

do decorational items like steel beams cause lag when they arent loaded?

[topaz hedge]

Sadly it's not loading on mobile.. I guess I should just focus on work and factory when I get home lol

[slate gate]

I did it but it looks like shit XD

[muted crypt]

If it looks like shit but it works is it really shit

[ancient oriole]

Diluted Fuel + Nitro Rocket Fuel + Compacted Steel Ingot = Nice.

I'm going to be producing 1,600 Fuel, 2,400 Rocket Fuel, and then I looked at that Compacted Coal that is being made as side-product from all that, 400 Compacted Coal. Put that into Compacted Steel Ingot and all of a sudden, I have 1,600 Steel Ingot p/min.

So while you make Rocket Fuel, you can also make lots of Steel Ingot as a byproduct.
Making Power and Compacted Coal at the same time, quite nice.

[muted crypt]

Found dasfisch3's issue. There was a mk1 belt right before the input splitter that was rate limiting the entire input.

[lyric raptor]

I tried to tell him to check his belts

[muted crypt]

Yeah I did too

It's fine tho, it's working now

[latent trench]

just rebuilt my factory during phase 1 to get 2 assemblers for smart plating, now i see phase 2 needs 1000 of them, my iron mines arent working 100%, is it worth rebuilding again, or should i go build another place near more iron?

[muted crypt]

You need 1000 for the smart plating, but if you just started, you don't need to have the 1000 done right away

[wind spade]

generally I recommend to not rebuild, just build new

[muted crypt]

Two assemblers for smart plating is 100 minutes before you need it (because you've exhausted what's available in t3/t4) and chances are you'll need a lot more time just to go through t3/t4

[red marlin]

when I open the game this appears and then crash

[muted crypt]

Immediately upon opening the game?

[red marlin]

Yes

[muted crypt]

Click Send and Close, then go and verify file integrity

[red marlin]

i've already done that

[muted crypt]

Hm

Crash reports are out of my expertise. @wind spade do you know who might be helpful here?

[red marlin]

Np

[tulip fiber]

Can someone check how much oil I need to make 1500 Turbo Fuel per minute?

If I’m not wrong, it’s 675 Crude Oil → 900 Heavy Oil Residue → Diluted Packaged Fuel (after unpacking gives me 1800 Fuel) → 1500 Turbo Fuel.

I think it's correct, but it feels off.

and scim isnt working with Diluted Packaged Fuel recipie

same with satisfactory-tools

[coarse kindle]

No, it's legit

[sand epoch]

Are you using the correct version?

[tulip fiber]

yea i get this message for 1.0 and 0.8 "Unfortunately we couldn't calculate any result.
This can be due to many things: missing resource required for the production line, not enough resources for the requested amount, disabled recipes required for the product, etc."

[muted crypt]

This looks correct. 1200 compacted coal as well.

I tried to set up the turbofuel and was able to replicate your issue. I think the calculator may be reading turbofuel and packaged turbofuel both as packaged turbofuel, but I'm only making that assumption based on the icon being packaged turbofuel for both

[tulip fiber]

weird I thought it should be consuming more oil.

[muted crypt]

675 crude * (40 HOR / 30 crude) * (60 fuel / 30 HOR) * (18.75 turbofuel / 22.5 fuel) = 1500 turbofuel

[analog frigate]

anybody has some stackable perfect ratio blueprints for 1.0?

[muted crypt]

I simplified the fuel note to assume the packaging loop as one step

[dark lava]

i know mk2 pipes used to not actually do 600m/s or something, but can mk1s actually do full 300?

[analog frigate]

why the blueprint designer has an inventory storage?

[late bear]

good afternoon - question for the pioneers out there - my factory needs 60.66666 plastic/min, but is supplying it only 60 plastic/min going to have any problem long term?

[analog frigate]

yes from what I've seen

[late bear]

If you clear the designer that is where the components go to

[analog frigate]

thanks

I guess for situations where I want to connect 20 refiners, might be a good idea to do a stackable bp

[muted crypt]

You will be missing .66666 per minute which will result in occasional dropped uptime on machines

[late bear]

Ah okay, I'm using to make packaged fuel to be shipped to my truck station so that's probably not a big deal right?

[late bear]

as long as I have a pretty good stockpile?

[muted crypt]

In that specific case, it's only a problem if you need 60.66666 for your trucks

[late bear]

ah got it

[indigo bloom]

why is the flow rate on the bottom right pipe fluctuating between 600 and 550, I'm guessing it's because of the (un)packager pipes emptying so part flows back into them?

in theory this is supposed to be 600 fuel/minute, but I'm getting fluctuations

[mighty tusk]

Im setting up a Wire/Cable factory
I have the Iron Wire alt recipe, and have both the Fused and Caterium wire alt's avalible in my HDD library.
Around me I have the following nodes available

• 1 x Pure Caterium
• 2 x Pure Iron
• 1 x Pure Copper
  I was thinking of doing the caterium wire since I am so early in the game I dont have much use for caterium, which will leave me my 2 x pure iron for rotors + reinforced plates, and copper for copper sheets

What do yall think?

[gusty edge]

Where is the cave entrance for that Quartz? I have been looking all around it but didn t find

[gusty edge]

Oh, quite a long turn

But it s quite near my train line

[true junco]

||There are 2 entrances. Both near water, 1 east of you, the other west.||

[dark lava]

anyone know if there's a better way to do this or if sometimes the simplest is the best, i want my factories to be prioritised, with the container filling up next, then sink

[gusty edge]

thx

[bleak garnet]

if it works for you it is good, no need to overcomplicate a simple design

[true junco]

Simple is best. Things are going to get complicated by their own merits, no need to make it worse imo.

[dark lava]

ty both of u

[dire lily]

hi, another question: how should i handle splits like that?

[urban kite]

manifold

[indigo bloom]

manifold the entire thing

[true cliff]

@wind spade wait, did u make the satifactorytools.com ._.

[dire lily]

doesnt it take like forever to handle this?

[indigo bloom]

you have mk4 belts, it's gonna be pretty quick

[dire lily]

uhh

[indigo bloom]

it's 18 constructors, not that bad

[urban kite]

i mean there isnt really another clean option

[dire lily]

im on mk2 belts 😭

[indigo bloom]

injection manifolds then

[urban kite]

oh

[indigo bloom]

im guessing you're using 2 pure nodes or 6 normal?

[dire lily]

6 normal, didnt unlock mk2 miners yet

Thats the whole factory

[indigo bloom]

you can do a manifold with mergers every so often

to "inject" materials into it

[dire lily]

Yeah that makes sense. Woudlnt it be smart to seperate the manifolds into 2 parts or would this make it just more complicated?

so i mean outgoing from the smelters

[indigo bloom]

however you want, at the end of the day it's still all just iron ingots

[gusty edge]

I got a nice surprise at the other end of the cave

[dire lily]

yeah i guess, will just try the easier one, thx

[muted crypt]

If I may ask, is there a specific reason for these numbers?

You can get some cleaner numbers for your production lines (avoiding awkward decimals in early game) if you do maybe 8 rotors and 22.5 reinforced iron plates per minute or 16 rotors and 15 reinforced iron plates per minute

[wind spade]

yes, why?

[dire lily]

Tbh no, I just used those, maybe should have put more time in planning

[muted crypt]

Fair! Unless you intend to pull these resources into later resource chains, you may benefit from doing one of those splits.

Er, I guess 22.5/8 is a bit of a weird one for numbers, but 15/16 might be fine

Yeah 15/16 cuts out decimals from all points of production that aren't machine clock speeds

[dire lily]

Yeah 15/16 definitly looks way cleaner

(and probably also builds way cleaner)

Ill look into that, ty

[muted crypt]

Your biggest hurdle might be the 400 screws per minute going into rotors

[dire lily]

Ill just do the manifold injection there ig

[muted crypt]

That looks like a direct feed situation personally - 2.5 constructors making screws merged together and aimed directly into an assembler

You could do one constructor at 100% and two constructors at 75% for screws, and then two constructors at 66.667% for rods, and direct feed into all four assemblers rather than manifold

[dark lava]

am i being stupid or did fuel gens use to take computers before 1.0?

[dire lily]

smart

[urban kite]

i know fuel has changed quite a bit for 1.0 but i dont know about that specifically 😦

[muted crypt]

Do they not take them now?

[dark lava]

nope

[urban kite]

def not cuz i set up fuel generation before computers

[muted crypt]

Interesting, I literally never processed they didn't need them then

I don't recall copper sheets or encased industrial beams being there before

But the other three were

It seems they rebalanced both the resources needed to build them and the number needed to consume X fuel per minute - both very good changes imho

[gusty edge]

I think the only thing they did was to buff their power generation

[muted crypt]

It was a shift

[dark lava]

its a godsend for me since i was reaching power limits soon and i was gonna have to do what i did last time i played and buy computers with coupons to make the generators but i don't now 😄

[muted crypt]

It went from 12 fuel for 150 MW into 20 fuel for 250 MW

[upper arrow]

how do people go around in terms of automation certain steps
rn i just use satisfactorytools.com and put in the numbers i want/need for like elevator parts etc
but idk how many middle steps i will need in the future

should i just (as an example) put 5 motors and then add 1 assempler for rotors/stator each so i have one part each for future research maybe

[muted crypt]

It still maintains the ratio of 1 fuel -> 12.5MW as before, you just need fewer of them to consume the same amount of fuel and to provide the same amount of power

[muted crypt]

I do dedicated production lines

[dark lava]

omg thats amazing my plastic factory makes exactly 200 fuel/min no more overclocking generators to like 66.6667%

[muted crypt]

I have dedicated production lines and outputs for rotors, stators and motors; I don't pull from the rotors and stators used to make motors for my storage

[muted crypt]

Yeah given the quantities fuel is produced in, having it consuming 20/min makes more sense, so you're not locked at multiples of 60/min and can go as low as 20/min multiples now to avoid clock adjustments

[upper arrow]

is there a good guide on how to make a storage hub or smth?

[potent isle]

I have these 2 iron nodes + one on the factory for my plates and stuff but the thing is that i cant use that long of mk2 conveyors so should i just split both of these right from each miner so each line becomes 60/min then all 4 lines go to the factory

[desert oxide]

Fuel gens used to take quickwire, rubber, computer, motor and heavy mod frame, that is the new recipe without hmf+computer

[muted crypt]

Early game just bring all your stuff to one place, later on you can have shared input lines with excess filtering and such

[desert oxide]

The new radios are also very nice with 20m consumption

[muted crypt]

Can do that, yeah

[rotund ingot]

is there a tool or something that can show me the logic to a 5-5 balancer?

[upper arrow]

im more or less done with p2 just have to input the items
so i would like to start one soon-ish, idk what early game is tho

*how long early game goes and when mid game starts

[muted crypt]

Player-dependent

Have you done any ||alien technology|| research in the MAM?

[gusty edge]

Now that I m looking at that alt recipe, it doesn t makes sense, you get the same amount of RP for more screws needed

[urban kite]

its faster

[muted crypt]

I recommend looking into the ||Mercer Sphere|| track you haven't. Helps your central storage woes a bit.

[muted crypt]

Adds iron cost but requires less space and power

Also you need 250 screws per minute per machine which isn't supportable until mk3 belts

[potent isle]

what's the general recommendation?like is it ideal to make a factory far away from the nodes? im thinking about moving it somewhere it can scale

[muted crypt]

Personal preference, really

[gusty edge]

I just feel the bads are way more than the goods

You will be saving 8W by doing that and a little space

[muted crypt]

I don't use bolted iron plates. Haven't.. ever, I think

[gusty edge]

• You need to make more screws anyways so it takes up the advantages

[muted crypt]

Sometimes I build right by the nodes, other times I build where I have a lot of space and bring the nodes in. It just depends on what you wanna do

[muted crypt]

#ScrewScrews

The fewer I need to make, the better

[gusty edge]

fact

[muted crypt]

Okay I will be back in an hour I'm leaving work buhbye

[true cliff]

ty for making a tool like this

[gusty edge]

Oh that s nice, didn t know that

Congrats mate, it must been hard to make it

[twin salmon]

How much coal does 1 100% generator burn per minute?

[gusty edge]

15

[wind spade]

open its UI, it will tell you

[analog frigate]

and then I was like... I guess I'm braiding pipes now

no mistakes only happy accidents

[fallow kettle]

quick question, is rocket fuel a gas?

[twin salmon]

Not before starting it up:

[wind spade]

put piece of coal in

tho iirc if you hover over the icon it should tell you as well?

[tame harbor]

it needs the aluminum ingot based "Fluid Tank" yes

[twin salmon]

Trying to build my power plant before starting it up.

[wind spade]

(the one in top left)

[tame harbor]

(i do wish we got some Iron/steel alternatives to it)

[fallow kettle]

wth is that

[tame harbor]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Empty_Fluid_Tank

[fallow kettle]

o

so looks like no pumps for me :3

i just made 2250 per minute rn

72 blenders and 62 refineries

[tame harbor]

so, looking at the energy/stack, batteries are still a better option than even packaged Rocket fuel

[twin salmon]

This is what I see:

[tame harbor]

about to make 1,500/m myself

[gusty edge]

You need to collect coal for it to show

[fallow kettle]

yk compacted coal at 7.143 is 1/5 of 50 per minute

[reef solar]

What are some good t3 t4 alternates I should have?

[fallow kettle]

i mean

1/7th

[tame harbor]

solid steel ingot

[urban kite]

i have def collected coal and all i see is petroleum coke :/

unless i guess... you need to hand mine the coal? which i thought i did

[twin salmon]

I've collected coal before to make gunpowder for the Sulfur tree...

[sweet ocean]

what happens scan all hard drives in the beginning?

will some just be nothing?

[gusty edge]

Then just place a coal inside the generator

[sand epoch]

So, yea.. you have to enable the recipe you want used..

[twin salmon]

I think my game broke.

Biomass shows this

[gusty edge]

It sure did, try restarting lol

[topaz hedge]

Which would be a lower machine count per mw, nuclear or fuel?

[dark depot]

i can't make this 360 exactly???

[indigo bloom]

click the number, you can type

[dark depot]

yeah, it still doesn't stick

[indigo bloom]

press enter

[dark depot]

still doesn't stick

already tried that

that is why i'm here 😄

[dark depot]

doesn't work

[indigo bloom]

interesting

can you try placing another one somewhere else, and typing it in

[dark depot]

here is a stream to prove it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmu0E0dtEKw

yeah, it does not work

one time i typed 360 and it went to 60 and then 6

wtf lol

[indigo bloom]

uhhh

that's... not ficsit approved

when in doubt turn it off and on

[dark depot]

definitely broken

no matter what i do it won't do it

[wind spade]

heavily recommended to not use valves

[dark depot]

how else would i balance this then?

[indigo bloom]

wasn't me using them

[dark depot]

you get acid back when doing nuke stuff

[wind spade]

don't ever balance fluids

they are impossible to balance

[dark depot]

so you have to balance it out

i could with aluminum no problem but not this

because you need 360 exactly and you get 50 per refinery... you can't?

[indigo bloom]

underclock one

[wind spade]

variable priority junction

or separate groups

[dark depot]

this must be fixed 100%

very bad problem

[wind spade]

seriously though, valves break majority of systems that use them

see #math-and-meta message

[indigo bloom]

ok so I realized that the last 2 unpackagers were getting clogged outputs, putting a pump in the middle of the pipeline fixed it, so my question is.. how? valves didn't help, so I guess more pressure with the pump?

this was like 4 hours of trial and error all for one pump to be the fix

[lone igloo]

Can someone explain how this is not working I got 270 input splitting into 60-60-any and results always 61-61-148. UHM Maths aint mathing here...

[indigo bloom]

beneath a tiny cliff

hold v to scan

[dark depot]

using packages to fix the sulfur acid problem, but man.... that is a ton of extra energy needed that shouldn't be needed just because the Valve does not work right....

[muted crypt]

Produce sulfuric acid such that byproduct + fresh = volume needed

Don't produce fresh = volume needed

[topaz hedge]

It works fine for everyone else.. there's a bunch of different ways, I personally pump the waste above the refineries so it's at a higher headlift than the incoming water.

[muted crypt]

Bonus points if you keep them as isolated pipes entirely where possible

[topaz hedge]

No answer on my nuclear vs fuel gens.. I'm curious as to which is the lesser machine count for 1tw, with power boosters on fuel.. I'd like to do a big build on our dedi, but not smoke our cpu.

[muted crypt]

I just got home, one sec

[muted crypt]

Just on the actual generators or on the entire system?

[noble timber]

What's wrong with your valve? They should be working fine.

[urban kite]

dimensional depot my beloved

[muted marlin]

Are trucks viable for everything wanna use only trucks this playthrough but I’m used to trains

[urban kite]

if my math is right you can max at approx 200 depots? assuming all spheres and all upgrades?

[indigo bloom]

yeah

[urban kite]

solidly in the range of more than enough, i think

[indigo bloom]

97 for upgrades I think, and like ~300 in the world

[noble timber]

All the transport methods are viable in their own right

[indigo bloom]

nvm, even the pumps don't fix it

[noble timber]

Pumps only provide headlift, they won't fix any issues like that

[indigo bloom]

they did fix the issue of the 2 back packagers clogging, but still not consistent on the flow rate

[noble timber]

Flowrate fluctuating isn't really an issue, as long as nothing is cloging you will be fine

The issue you had was probably sloshing or something which pumps (and valves) can stop

[indigo bloom]

still not getting consistent production because my last 4 fuel generators run out of fuel

[lone ravine]

Hey, does someone have a sheet of all recipe changes in 1.0??

[noble timber]

Turn off a few and let the pipes fill up

[topaz hedge]

System wide, we want to do a points build, but we want the server to still be playable when it's done

[muted crypt]

makes sense

[indigo bloom]

tried, still dropping

30 fuel gens for 600 fuel, still not working

[noble timber]

And none of your packagers are clogged?

[indigo bloom]

ill check again but I have a pump in between each section

wait the first one is clogged now

uhh ok another pump I guess

ffs still clogging

[weary flower]

is this efficient to any degree?

[noble timber]

I know the mk2 pipe issues are meant to be fixed but try with 2 mk 1 pipes

[indigo bloom]

absolutely

[weary flower]

i originally had them all stacked in a large tower

it was a bit difficult to get anything out of them

[noble timber]

The clipping is killing me

[weary flower]

instead i did this

[weary flower]

i'm not stacking shit again