math-and-meta

[deft lichen]

enter a or 😛

[wintry agate]

I think the gtx 1080 got released in 2017

Is there a way to fly without a jetpack and also unlimited if you get what i am saying

[snow dove]

AGS in U8

[wintry agate]

Is it experimentional

[snow dove]

yes

[wintry agate]

Oh k lol

[snow dove]

highly experimental

they just switched from UE4 with U7, to UE5 with U8

[wintry agate]

I gtg I have 2 assigntments and its 12 30 am so i don t think i am gonna sleep

[wintry agate]

Oh okay

But have a good day or night idk where u live lol

[snow dove]

Best of luck to with your homework

[bronze kestrel]

I don't want to burst your bubble, but today's standards the 1080 or anything of that level. Won't let you play a lot of (new) games without dropping the settings to the lowest possible. And even then it will be on the edge. It sucks to hear, but everyone's hardware is up to an upgrade one day. Time to start saving bud

[deft lichen]

I'm well aware

the problem is that if I upgrade the GPU, then I'll get bottlenecked by the CPU, and to upgrade the CPU I need a new motherboard

at that point might as well buy a whole new computer

I'll have to survive a couple more years with this before I can declare it ancient and pass it onto a relative

[bronze kestrel]

I understand, i'm also not the dude that can keep up with the fast paste hardware is evolving.

[topaz jetty]

Quick Q, anyone know any coal setups that use more than 8 generators?

That stay on all the time

cuz i may be able to think with belts, but pipes is a whole different thing

This is in Phase 1 so no pipeline mk2s

[wind spade]

just copy the 3-8 setup several times

don't really need mk2 pipes anyway

you don't have to put everything into one pipe

[bleak coral]

yeah it's really easy to just do it in multiples of 8 on or near water, then the pipes are all the same and the belts are just bigger

[topaz jetty]

gonna need to see if i can fit more extractors on the pond i got

[wind spade]

or find more ponds

[bleak coral]

ah grass fields, those ponds are a courtesy for new players, go find the coal in the NW you'll have an actual lake to work with for a bigger setup

[topaz jetty]

Those sadly are few and far between in the green fields

[cerulean folio]

fortunately nothing is stopping you from leaving the green fields

[bleak coral]

you just need to run cable to power plants, it's quite easy to build them far away

and the tropical coal bowl is honestly not far away, it's basically in grass fields

[topaz jetty]

where exactly do i go from the 3 nodes in the center near the fart rock?

[bleak coral]

ping for coal, it's the cluster to the NW of you

[topaz jetty]

NW? great thanks

really i just did the calulations and found out with my current factory and one 8 gen setup il have less than 150 MW left over

[delicate chasm]

Aside from multiples of 8, there's 10 (270 belt max), 16/18/20 (2 belts).

Water extractors at 75% fill 2 generators precisely so adding an extra 2 generators isn't usually an issue.

[topaz jetty]

I know but just copying several of the 8 gen setups is easier

[delicate chasm]

Yes it absolutely is. But also you are in #math-and-meta and asked "anyone know any coal setups that use more than 8 generators?" and so you're going to get that answer from somebody even if everyone else helps you realize the other thing is easier. =D

Definitely stick to the 3:8 ratio is my recommendation too!

[topaz jetty]

I only got the idea of copying after the question was asked and i agree 3:8 is very good

[oblique hollow]

multiples of 3:8 is always the way

[bleak coral]

I enjoy mixing it to give me some aesthetic options, but if I just want to plop down more power and get back to what I'm doing I'll just do a multiple

24 or 32 usually gets me more than enough to get to fuel

[sullen sage]

i wanne build a coal power plant with 24 coal generatos. They'd need 1200 m³ water which would be 10 Water Extractor. But from my past experience (U6) Fluids wouldnt work out that way.

Just do on extractor for 2 coals or would 10 for 24 work out ?

[topaz jetty]

?

Just go with three of the 8 gen setups

[sullen sage]

i remember fluids beeing iffy if you try to literaly use 1:1 of what you need

since they wouldnt equal out

[topaz jetty]

Trust me, the 8:3 setup is never iffy

It’s one of the best

[sullen sage]

8 coal to 3 water extractor ?

[topaz jetty]

Yes

[sullen sage]

wont you need slugs for that?

[topaz jetty]

No you don’t

[sullen sage]

but 3 extractor are 360m³ and for 8 you need 600m³ ?

[topaz jetty]

?

Since when?

You don’t

[wind spade]

why would you need 600?

[sullen sage]

nvm 400*

had a typo in excel lol

[wind spade]

no?

why would 8 gens need 400?

[topaz jetty]

It’s less

[sullen sage]

dont they need 50 ?

[bleak coral]

45

[wind spade]

no

[topaz jetty]

A lot less

[sullen sage]

?

[wind spade]

you need 45/min per gen

[topaz jetty]

It’s 45 I believe

[wind spade]

it's written on the gen even

[sullen sage]

5 less isnt alot

[wind spade]

no, but equals to the 360 for 8 gens 😛

[topaz jetty]

Isn’t there a big difference between 400 and 45?

[wind spade]

400 was per 8 gens

[sullen sage]

45 was for 8 not one

[topaz jetty]

Anyway the 8:3 setup is solid and efficient

Just use it

[sullen sage]

so they fixed fluids beeing iffy with 1:1

[delicate chasm]

There was only the mk2 pipe right at 600m3/min having floating point errors and that's supposed to be taken care of now AFAIK.

Mk1 pipe was always solid at 300m3/min.

[sullen sage]

this prob

got frustarted during U6 wbecause of that

[delicate chasm]

If you're using the 3:8 then no one segment of pipe conveys more than 240m3/min

[topaz jetty]

Which never applied to mk1s so really not an issue early game

[delicate chasm]

So it works even though you're pushing 360m3/min through a 300m3/min "maximum load" system - because you aren't.

[sullen sage]

yea but thats the last thing i remember about fluids^^

[topaz jetty]

Yeah just split the middle extractor between the the two pipes to prevent overloading I’ve never tried the other setups

[delicate chasm]

I don't know what setups are on the wiki. My horrific internet and fandom being the official wiki until recently meant I asked a handful of questions of the community here and did a shit-ton of trial and error with pipes.

I had a working 2:8 setup with clocks before I asked about pipes the first time and was 🤯 when told the same thing would work with an extractor in the middle and no clock.

"but 360!"
"You're using 360 anyway dumb dumb"
"o"

[sullen sage]

i'm trying to get as close to 0 overflow this playtrough

and its hurting my wallnut brain

like always using everything prefectly is pain :s

[delicate chasm]

Underclock at the extraction point. 😉 👍

[sullen sage]

i use alot of underclock rn

[delicate chasm]

Or overclock, that's what most do honestly. But if you just want to smooth out the production and make it all nice and neat, underclocking the inputs to exactly what you are using is the way to go.

[sullen sage]

yea thats what i'm doing rn

but had to get rid of all again because just got M2 miner xD

[topaz jetty]

I’m doing that but using AGS to have infinite sluggo boys

Makes my life both easier and harder

[sullen sage]

AGS was cheat mode thingy ?

[topaz jetty]

You call it cheats

I call it playing how I want

I’ve already made spaghet mayhem, and overflow hell, so I thought to give my brain some candy and torture it at the same time

[delicate chasm]

Devs call it that too. A game is a form of play or sport which implies contest or competition.

If you eliminate the challenge aspect, you go from having a sandbox game to having a sandbox game-like experience.

That is a subversion of the rules of the sandbox ordinarily in place, ergo it is a cheat which is defined as bypassing rules or preconditions. =p

[topaz jetty]

Well by “cheating” I’m torturing myself with having to make more power and load balance everything to hell and back

[delicate chasm]

You could accomplish the same after collecting a lot of slugs legitimately. One is not causal to the other. =p

It's also 100% okay that you are using AGS and nobody has a right to judge otherwise.

[topaz jetty]

But in any normal play through I do not have the patience to collect all the sluggo boys legit

[sullen sage]

about the 8:3 setup
just 3 extractor have them flow into one pipe but 2 outputs ?

[topaz jetty]

The first setup

[delicate chasm]

+--A--+--C--C--+--B--+

Middle extractor on either C if you have a straight line of generators.

[topaz jetty]

Just make one side feed 4 gens and the other side the other 4

Now that I review it that diagram is wrong

[sullen sage]

like that ?

[delicate chasm]

Those go to 4 and 4? Yeah, should work fine as long as you have lift.

[topaz jetty]

Yes and one of those pipes feeds 4

[wind spade]

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

[sullen sage]

yea each up thingy goes into 4

[topaz jetty]

Also pumps.

[sullen sage]

yea i know :D
i just spent to much time trying to make pipes stright first

[topaz jetty]

Ah one more person who is obsessed with everything being straight and neat

[delicate chasm]

Yep, that's the other one I use. What greeny just posted.

It doesn't look as nice IMO as the straight line when expanded to 6:16 but it clearly demonstrates the principle.

[topaz jetty]

I can only imagine your pain in spaghet

[sullen sage]

yep

[topaz jetty]

Load balanced Power plants? Wow I generally don’t bother

[sullen sage]

i'm trying to get everything perfectly balanced this time

i usualy used overflow

[topaz jetty]

Still gotta admit the thing looks beautiful

[delicate chasm]

Correct me if I'm wrong but...is your balancer not backwards?

Won't that evenly split 50% of your coal to 7 of your 8 generators until the 8th one, receiving the other 50%, is full?

[sullen sage]

the first split is for the other half

and then i have another spliter for 4:4

[topaz jetty]

I don’t see a problem with it

[sullen sage]

and then 2 splits for 2

[topaz jetty]

Is that a 16 setup

[sullen sage]

ye

8 on other side

[delicate chasm]

Oh, that's fine then.

[topaz jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

At least for a little while

[delicate chasm]

I was about to say...that one line seems to wrap around to the last generator but I see now it's going past.

[sullen sage]

i have like 6 pure iron nodes on my other building but i need power... xD

[topaz jetty]

So you got 240 in and are splitting it through 16?

[sullen sage]

yep

[topaz jetty]

Good setup I would do that but I currently don’t got a mk3 belt

So I’m setting up two individual setups

[sullen sage]

well its 240 + 120 coal so 24 in total xd

[topaz jetty]

Soon as steel can get underway I’m gonna make a new one

Since I got foundations and a big lake

[sullen sage]

my next goal is oil and the coal will be replaced again lol

[topaz jetty]

Green fields thankfully has one close by
Lake

[sullen sage]

but i'm taking it slow anyways soo w/e

[devout igloo]

hey i need some tips

my power broke down, cus i might have made 5 factories without calculating the power

do i say fk it and use every spgaheti possible and clipping

or rebuild the whole thing

[sullen sage]

depends how you wanne play

i think my first 100hrs were spagheti

[oblique hollow]

you are merging 360/min water into a pipe that can only carry 300/min

and not just once, but 3 times

[devout igloo]

That pipe is not maxed

I checked

[oblique hollow]

did you underclock the extractors?

[devout igloo]

Nope

[oblique hollow]

then it is maxxed

[devout igloo]

I didn't have enough power slugs at that point

Now I do

I'm just trying to decide do I spend 20+ hours to make a nice looking power plant or just ball it with spaghetti and clipping

[oblique hollow]

3 extractors make 360/min water, mk1 only carries 300/min
these are SOO maxxed

[devout igloo]

I swear to you they arent

Ohhhhhh

[oblique hollow]

then you are either absolutely wrong or dont know how to read the pipe display yet

[devout igloo]

They are MK2 pipes lol

Forgot to mention that

[oblique hollow]

all of the pipes i see in the image look like mk 1 tho

did you upgrade?

[devout igloo]

Since then yeah I did

That was a old picture

[oblique hollow]

got a new one?

[wintry agate]

alr boys which one should I chose?

[deft lichen]

which one do you think is useful

there are more drives than alts, so it's only a matter of which one you pick sooner

[median heath]

Anything but the beacons.

[wintry agate]

Probably computer

what do you rhink?

[wintry agate]

Lmao true

[deft lichen]

both are good

recycled plastic is a part of the oil chain that triples(?) the output plastic or rubber, for which you also need recycled rubber, heavy oil residue alt, and diluted fuel

[wintry agate]

I chose computers

But I just realized that that was a dumb mistake after I saw this closest one btw

[deft lichen]

grass fields moment

well, you can get trains at this stage, so not a problem

[wintry agate]

What do they do?

[deft lichen]

go long distance easily

tracks are faster to build than belt stacks over and over

[wintry agate]

this?

[wintry agate]

ohh but is it expensive?

[deft lichen]

mhm

nah trains aren't expensive

the stations just cost computers, heavy frames and motors

[wintry agate]

Can you send me a tutorial on how that works?

[wintry agate]

My only promlem are computers

[deft lichen]

trains work on simple rules but you have to understand them first, there's a number of youtube tutorials for them

I don't have one to link though

[wintry agate]

Can you send one that explains it very well? I am kinda lazy to do that lmao

[median heath]

? Build computers over there and ship them back.

Don't do everything in one spot.

[deft lichen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmvvUlt0-k8 layout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNyjS6Nw4Tw signals
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/qgy9z0/signal_logic_rules/ signals

[median heath]

Trucks are faster to build than trains because you just plop the Stop down and drive a loop.

[wintry agate]

Wdym? Go there mine alot of crystals and make computer?

[wintry agate]

Wow dude tysm

[deft lichen]

recording the path is slower than building a belt though 😛

[median heath]

I'm hurt that you link someone else's Signal guide...

[median heath]

It really isn't.

[deft lichen]

need to finish written guides for other train stuff on the wiki, like the basics

[median heath]

Ok but what does that have to do with you linking someone else's SIGNAL guide? 😭

[wintry agate]

bro chill it is okay he is doing his best lol

[deft lichen]

the signals post is a bit shorter but very concise, best to look at both if the other won't suit you

[median heath]

I know Ondar.
I'm not griefing some rando. 🙃

[wintry agate]

Lmao he is almost online every single sec

[wintry agate]

whats wrong with that lmao

[deft lichen]

nodes are far away

[bleak coral]

quartz being the worst offender (besides endgame stuff like bauxite, which is far away from everything)

[deft lichen]

it's good for getting started though, forces you to think about logistics more

[wintry agate]

Is there a way to see your fps without a third party program

[deft lichen]

console, stat FPS

[bleak coral]

are you on steam?

[wintry agate]

console?

[wintry agate]

nah epic games

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch console

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=console

[bleak coral]

ok, steam has it built in, don't know about epic

[deft lichen]

no such thing on epic

there is an overlay but only for invites

[wintry agate]

ye true but ty for the info

[deft lichen]

the console command works regardless of platform, just follow the wiki on how to open it

[wintry agate]

and 1 mroe thing lol where the fuck is this slug I am searching for 7 minutes

wth discordjust uploaded over 8 mb? lmao I though 8mb was the limit

[deft lichen]

25, and this server is boosted so 100

[deft lichen]

cave perhaps

[wintry agate]

k lol but where

[deft lichen]

good luck

[wintry agate]

ty ig

well I found it using the interactive map lol

[exotic ledge]

At the current moment, before I upgrade to trains, I need to rebuild my "shopping mall" and I have 5 truck stations.

Each truck station has two belts of output, but when I merge them all together, I'm essentially going from 10 belts down to 2. While I don't like that (limits input), I also don't necessarily want to have 10 belts of individual sorting redundancy.

Are there any tips or tricks to avoid the "two belt limitation" for a central storage area?

[wind spade]

perosnally I wouldn't do merged belts at all
one belt = one item

[exotic ledge]

One Truck Station == one item?

Oh

You mean don't merge them but each truck station can still take in "sushi" and just each station has its own smart splitter sort path outwards? That makes sense...

[wind spade]

no, I mean one truck station = one belt = one item

[exotic ledge]

So for example, I have an Iron factory that makes Rips, Rotors, Rods, and Plates. Your suggestion is to have four truck stations, one of each material? Thus four trucks?

Maybe for the future, but I don't have much room for more truck stations / trucks (in that example).

[bleak coral]

that's the safest, easiest way, but mixing belts for storage is pretty standard

[wind spade]

is the factory so far from storage to justify trucks?

[bleak coral]

you just have to make sure you're not overloading transport by measuring stacks instead of just items/min

[exotic ledge]

Oh absolutely not 😛 Only one factory is far enough away to justify its truck. The others could just be bussed.

I haven't messed with trucks a lot in the past though so I wanted to "force" it this time.

[wind spade]

belted

bus means something different than "a belt"

[exotic ledge]

Sure.

[bleak coral]

mixed trucks and trains require you to time the round trip, then measure how many stacks are made in that time for each individual item, and then you have your total stacks so you know it doesn't overload the transport method (train car, truck, tractor, whatever)

it's more involved than just sticking belts on and measuring items/min, so that's why it's not like the go-to recomendation for a lot of people

[exotic ledge]

Right, I think I understood this as not overloading the truck station's storage itself right? IIRC, that's 24 or so stacks? I don't even come close to producing that many stacks of anything by the time the vehicle has finished it's round trip.

[bleak coral]

correct

[lunar pond]

hehe crystal oscilators and computers go brrr

[bleak coral]

cause if it makes more stacks than the transportation method can move it doesn't have enough throughput

although the station itself is not the bottleneck, it's the vehicle/train car, stations have equal or more storage than transport methods

also base assumption is that all storage ends in overflow to sinks, otherwise obviously items will block eachother

[exotic ledge]

Ok so, this is the assumptions in math that seemed logical to me:

1. Truck Station has two Mk3 belts of input.
2. Tractor picks it up
3. Tractor drops it off at Station with two Mk3 belts of output.

Supposedly, in the logic above, I can disregard the round trip time. Say the vehicle takes T minutes round trip.

The input station will load in 2 * 270 * T items, and the tractor will pick up that many items. When it drops it off, the output station will unload 2 * 270 * T items before the tractor comes back. So the only thing to consider is if the Tractor itself can't carry everything, right?

[exotic ledge]

Yes, this I expect.

[bleak coral]

So the only thing to consider is if the Tractor itself can't carry everything, right?
This is correct but,
I can disregard the round trip time
this is not, because that's what's used to figure out the first part

[exotic ledge]

Ah, I see the step I'm missing. I'm assuming that my production is so relatively low that I can skip the math.

But if the round trip time is so long, then even small productions could overflow the vehicle.

[bleak coral]

you should never skip the math if you're doing mixed logistics, especially on vehicles it can really sneak up on you for how low the items/min throughput is caused by the parallel creation of stacks

to be a little fair, it's really hard to overload a truck or even a tractor, truck stations not stopping belts when they load/unload and loading/unloading at 120 stacks/min really opens up their throughput

[exotic ledge]

Yeah, from the stuff I've been messing around thusfar, I felt like I haven't even come close to overloading a vehicle. However, I agree with erring on the side of caution. Especially if the item at hand has a small stack size.

[devout igloo]

time for fun

splitting 270 * 3 into 40 each

fun fun fun

[oblique hollow]

just use overflow

[devout igloo]

overflow?

[oblique hollow]

you wait for machines to back up and then the splitters divert what doesnt fit

[devout igloo]

like splitters into each until they fill up?

[oblique hollow]

yuh

[devout igloo]

ooooo

THAT IS SO MUCH EASIER OMG

HOW HAVE I NOT THOUGHT ABOUT IT

[vapid gorge]

I'm almost 100% sure people have suggested you use a manifold before

[devout igloo]

manifold and overflow sound like 2 different things

[fleet dawn]

Welcome to the light! Hah 🙂

[vapid gorge]

and was explained how manifolds will flow evenly after the first machines overflowed

[devout igloo]

not me using 4 papers to calculate the spliiters ..........

is it possible for me to put the splitter near this without coming from the ground?

[fleet dawn]

You can attach a splitter directly to the conveyor

[devout igloo]

oh right

[next pewter]

Or the other way around: put the belt first (on stackable or extendes conveyor poles), then attach splitter to the belt, then lift to the machine &splitter.

[fallow kettle]

im still waiting for tractors to be the meta 🚗

[topaz jetty]

And I’m here being forced to use them early game😭

Thankfully grass fields has a lot of natural roads

I got stuff to automate and don’t got the patience to build long belts

[fallow kettle]

trucks are under rated

[devout igloo]

Belts across the whole world on top

[cerulean folio]

nope, two terms for the same setup

[fleet flume]

When I hear/use "overflow", it's referring to using a smart splitter and setting to overflow. Manifold implies what has been seen in the pictures, where one thing fills up and flows somewhere else.

So I don't think they are the same, and my friend (a IRL plumber) would tell you a manifold should NEVER overflow. But here in a game...

Can't find that pic now. Someone posted a real pretty manifold up higher in this channel.

[vapid gorge]

belts aren't pipes - they are called 'overflow manifolds' but generally just get called manifolds

and the way they work is the first machines fill up first and then overflow to the next machines

[fleet flume]

Overflow implies excess, if it's destined for a machine but hasn't made it there yet, the product isn't excess, it's required.

But hey, call it how you like, I see confusion is using the terms as synonyms but if it gets the job done...

I agree with @devout igloo in that they are 2 different things, and actions.

[vapid gorge]

Well if items could stack infinitely then manifolds wouldn't work as the machiens would never be fed in excess of what they could handle.

So they would never overflow with items.

You and jester are allowed to be straight up wrong

[devout igloo]

Well overflow means exactly what it sounds like

But manifold just sounds like building bigger

[vapid gorge]

I'm honestly baffled
in your last reply you said it would 'imply excess'

and thats exactly what happens - the first split gives way more to the first machine

[devout igloo]

Until it's maxed then it takes the rest further

[fleet flume]

The machines don't overflow with items. They get stuck in the machine turns off. A manifold is a distribution system, overflow implies taking what his excess and moving it somewhere else. I don't know that either one of them is wrong but you're entitled You're own opinion. That doesn't make anyone else wrong.

[vapid gorge]

and the splitter will keep trying to over feed it.

[devout igloo]

Idk it works so no problem there

If it works no reason to change it

[vapid gorge]

opinions have to be backed up with evidence to have any value. 'entitled to your opinion' is honestly the worst phrase ever created because it creates a shield of 'I don't have to defend myself'

'overflow implies taking what his excess and moving it somewhere else' yes, the belt is tryign to pour more items per minute than the machine can handle so it overflows another direction , but it keeps trying to go the other way

The person who coined 'entitled to your opinion' should be flogged

[devout igloo]

Why are you making this so complicated?

Chill out IT WORKED so everything is fine

It's overflowing just as he suggested so he was correct I don't care how correct he was but his answer helped me which in my case means he was correct

[vapid gorge]

Don't know why you think I'm not chill?
And what are you talking about? fire wasn't even there for explaining manifolds

[devout igloo]

I never understood manifold just the overflow

[oblique hollow]

manifold is overflow

[devout igloo]

How does that ever work huh

[oblique hollow]

wdym how

[devout igloo]

Why would one word be something different

[oblique hollow]

they use the same principle

[devout igloo]

Then why even 2 different terms

[wide roost]

because English

[devout igloo]

🤦‍♀️

[oblique hollow]

right, then lemme be more precise
"a manifold utilizes overflow"

[vapid gorge]

It's not ... Like I said before they are 'overflow manifolds'

But it's a lot shorter to call them 'manifolds'

also what mcgal said

[oblique hollow]

kinda redundant as there are no other manifolds

[devout igloo]

But manifold sounds to difficult using overflow makes it a lot easier

[oblique hollow]

injection manifolds is just "a manifold but you put part of the items into it at a different point"

[devout igloo]

The word explains itself but manifold you would have to understand

[oblique hollow]

its a custom and we roll with it. it existed before "overflow" itself became a setting for smart splitters too

[devout igloo]

Fair enough

[vapid gorge]

in the game I suppose but you could have tools to have a manifold not use overflow?

[oblique hollow]

what would a non overflow manifold be

[vapid gorge]

something like a splitter that does ratio splitting?

[oblique hollow]

thats a balancer then

different shape, same function: its a balancer

[devout igloo]

Why isn't there a splitter which can configure items/min?

[vapid gorge]

wouldn't it still be a manifold in the layout though?

[oblique hollow]

cause the devs said "no"

[river night]

because figuring this out is the game

[devout igloo]

Oh cmon

[vapid gorge]

what Nev said

[devout igloo]

I mean it could be like end game stuff

[oblique hollow]

They didnt add it because they want us to have these headaches

[devout igloo]

Yeah ...

[oblique hollow]

all the way until the end

[devout igloo]

Well atleast you can manifold, because before I was using 30 splitters just to split 35 from 270

[river night]

if you build with manifolds its really not even that much of a headache

[vapid gorge]

the game is essentially Problem Solving of Numbers and Logistics

yeah you barely have to think with manifolds

[bleak coral]

It would kill load balancing if we had an exact split splitter

0 reason to load balance if an item does it for you

[wide roost]

0 reason to load balance imo

[vapid gorge]

I mean other that 'can the belt handle this many items per minute' and making sure you have the right number needed... there's no brain involved

doing fancy things with perfect clocking and lay outs. That's where it's at

and you can just not do that if you want

[devout igloo]

Its kinda sad you can't attach splitters to machines without belts, you could utilize better miners without using the belts

[bleak coral]

That's why you can't

[topaz jetty]

I agree

[devout igloo]

Yeah I understand

[topaz jetty]

I for one would love having a miner on a node clocked to produce 240 and automatically split into two 120s

Would save me a hell of a lot of coal

[wide roost]

i use heirarchy overflow splitting. an output of something (like steel ingots for example) and the first production line using that item is the smallest usage (say rod or screw), smart splitter shoves everything towards that then overflows to the bigger one(s) like pipes or beams.

[topaz jetty]

I’ve just now unlocked smart splitters in my U8 play through, god do they help!

[vapid gorge]

you wouldn't even need to do that - it'd self balance

[topaz jetty]

I was fluently cursing the devs in my last factory for not putting three iron nodes in a cluster

[wide roost]

gotta use smart splitters for something other than getting coupons lol

[vapid gorge]

sink the parts you'd use for the SS for more points 😛

[topaz jetty]

I really went overkill on my AI limiter production, 1 fully overclocked assembler

[vapid gorge]

I suppose with anything like that I just put my SS at the start of a manifold so everything after it gets priority before sinking

[topaz jetty]

Completely wrecked my power grid that thing

[vapid gorge]

Soundsl ike you need more power

40 coal gens should do it

[topaz jetty]

I meant on biomass

Well I had a lot of quickwire stored and wanted to get rid of it

[topaz jetty]

Anyone know a perfectly balanced modular frame setup
I got tier 2 belts and two normal iron nodes
No alts and clocks would be preferred if not used but i can use them

[next pewter]

How much net power can 720 cruce => HOR => petrol coke produce?

As in, how much is overhead to run therefineries?

In theory itsupports 27 coalgens i think, but will need 13 waterextractors, 4oil pumps and 30 refineries too..

[next pewter]

Use acalculator?

240/min in?

[topaz jetty]

This is disgusting

and i only got 135/min in max

[wide roost]

https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=ivgvO7q5Swk3giCJYApR

not sure why you need water

[bleak coral]

For the coal gens.......

[wide roost]

true, whoops haha

[bleak coral]

Also that's one place tools is out of date, U7 changed the exponent for clock speed power consumption. It's not too different tbough, should be roughly the same

[next pewter]

https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=oJdTcZ466fXSnPeSnS8y

[wide roost]

yeah i ignore the overclocking

[bleak coral]

The power tab assumes underclocking of the last machine if it's under 100%

[wide roost]

a quick napkin math is 35-50% power needed to run the power, for this situation

i'd skip doing coke for power tbh, not really efficient enough

[topaz jetty]

I know but i only got two normal iron nodes and Mk1 miners

[next pewter]

Then half it‹

[wide roost]

modular frames is the first annoying one

[topaz jetty]

Interesting... can you send me that link

[wide roost]

https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=oULxtSojg12tr6oIvulF

[topaz jetty]

Also how do you get a 52.5 and 67.5 split?

[wide roost]

simple, don't overthink it. use MK2 belts everywhere, and underclock the rods and/or the plates

[topaz jetty]

Might use a smart splitter on the rods and overflow on to the plates..

[bleak coral]

Don't need a smart splitter, once one side is backed up it can only take what it needs

[wide roost]

or, line up all the constructors for both and do one long manifold

[bleak coral]

Smart splitter just would let you choose which side that is

[fleet flume]

Well, you are entitled to THAT opinion as well. And no, opinions do not have to be backed up. They are opinions, not facts. That's the difference

[bleak coral]

Also those don't even need to be the same line, you can just not merge them in the first place

[topaz jetty]

Wait a minute..

I got sidetracked!

[scenic gull]

advertising my own calc too 🙂
#math-and-meta message

[topaz jetty]

I need Coal power!

Why the hell am i making modular frames??

[bleak coral]

To make coal gens presumably

But you can just handmake a few

[topaz jetty]

Yeah thats probably why i got sidetracked

Now to Coal!

Have i mentioned that i love zoop

[scenic gull]

you'll love blueprints more

[topaz jetty]

Im sure i will

This is actually my first playthrough since U6

so havent massed with blueprints too much yet

[next pewter]

Can you add fuel gens/coal gens /power as an output?

[scenic gull]

yes, this is my next task actually

[next pewter]

Superb!

Would answer my question above 😅😉

[bleak coral]

are you worried about it being net power negative? that's not possible

none of the power is that bad

[scenic gull]

this one?

[bleak coral]

also in the time since you asked that questions you coulda gotten a calculator out and answered it yourself

it's just machine count x power repeat for total, then subtract from coal gen power

[scenic gull]

and I think Greeny's calc cover this math too

[bleak coral]

more or less, little inaccurate if there's underclocks

still using U6 exponent

[wide roost]

just make more power!!!

[bleak coral]

also doesn't count extractors/miners, mostly cause outside of water extractors that's variable depending on purity, so it just doesn't assume

[wide roost]

also, 1440 Coke max from 720 Crude is enough for 57.6 Coal Gens (25 Coke p/m)

(sink the rubber)

[next pewter]

Thats why, yes. I could calc it, but need to look up miner consumption, water extractor consumption andothers. These are not in most calculators imho?

[next pewter]

True, but i want tomake mostly plastic, so less net petrol coke.

Thought you or onehere might have a ballpark ruleof thumb, hence my question.

[bleak coral]

so does anyone else answering your question, they're just gonna do the same thing and pull up a calculator and do the math

[next pewter]

But will look itup, calcand report back.

[bleak coral]

not a satisfactory calculator, an actual calculator

they also don't know the purity of the extractors you're using

[next pewter]

True, shouldve mentioned that.

2xpure, 2normal.

@scenic gull yes.

[topaz jetty]

Oh the pleasures of early game.. being able to do the math in your head

[next pewter]

As i have only 400MW spare power atm i can only start up 1/5th at first (with ~4 biomass burners)

Ah, mistake

25/min, so 40,8 coalgens

[bleak coral]

do you have the heavy oil residue alt?

[next pewter]

40*75prod, or 3GW, nett +1,1GW

[next pewter]

No. Not using it atm anyway. Have to check if i do.

[bleak coral]

so we're making it from plastic, cause that's what you're needing? it's just a byproduct?

[next pewter]

Hmm, no? I use this layout:

[bleak coral]

oh a mix

[next pewter]

Yes

Aim is plastic, some rubber and some power.

No maxing of power

Bc thats ofc better through tubofuel.

[bleak coral]

gotcha, yeah as a byproduct it's basically just getting you back what you spent in power, fuel is where you get much better

[next pewter]

But only in early tier 3now.

[bleak coral]

but I'm assuming fuel gens are out of reach right now

[next pewter]

Yes. No computerprod yet

So itsa temp solution.

[bleak coral]

I was stubborn and just hand made all the HMFs and computers lol, but it took forever

[next pewter]

Justwantto getit up to getplastic.

HMF*, indeed. None being made atm.

[bleak coral]

stuck the residual fuel in buffers in the mean time so plastic/rubber didn't stop

but it was definitely a rushed, on a timer kind of thing

[next pewter]

Thats probably faster than building petrol coke, but i always do that

Abd try to get fuel up asap.

[bleak coral]

eh, then it's done and you don't have to worry about it stopping

fastest is to just sink the petro coke, and forget about the power

[next pewter]

Well, yes, if i can get it started wo power blackout...

[bleak coral]

got some spare stators?

power storage is nice to bridge the gap while getting new power up

what I did with my diluted packaged fuel plant, though it didn't need to be on power storage for too long it did stop a trip

[next pewter]

Yes. We do have quitea lot of storage already, but idk how long it can bridge it.

But indeed, I can adda whole bunch, might be enough to getstarted, thanks for the idea, i forgot about that!

[bleak coral]

pretty easy to measure, just assume worst case scenario of how many MW will be over your power and divided the MWh by MW and that'll give you the hours it'll last

I just gave myself a couple hours in the worst case scenario, which should be more than enough for warm up of power machines

[next pewter]

Eveb less i think, like 15 mins should do it.

Can always disconnect, recharge and reconnect.

[bleak coral]

oh sure, I just was doing the NASA safety philosophy: assume the worst then double the response 😛

[delicate chasm]

I timed myself starting 1km away from a coal site with 0 building materials, running to the coal site, back to factory for materials, back to coal site, build 6:16, turn it on. Double that time.

1 hour 56 minutes. So when I build power storage, I build for 2 MWh/MW max consumption.

[wintry agate]

Is there I was to destroy this fart rocks lol?

[oblique hollow]

right now, in Update 7, no

In U8, yes

[wintry agate]

frick I should ve started in experimentional

[oblique hollow]

nah you shouldnt have

the current state of it is not really worth it

[wintry agate]

Oh okay tysm for responding but I am so excited for U8 lol

[devout igloo]

Explain the current state

Haven't tried it yet

[oblique hollow]

Performance issues among other things and a few instabilities.
go try it if you want and see if you like it

[wintry agate]

What do these geysers do? You can't place extractors on it so I have no clue

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch Resource+Well

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Resource+Well

[wintry agate]

ty lol Did not know that was a command. Bro I swear Ondar tysm for responding to everything I ask lol

[deft lichen]

the command is for linking pages here, you can just search for stuff on the wiki itself

actual geysers also exist for geothermal power

[wintry agate]

are geathermal power gens better than nuclear and fuel gens?

prob better than fuel but not better than nuc

[deft lichen]

you can only build as many as there are geysers

the're pretty underpowered for how late you can unlock them, but they're free power

[wintry agate]

Oh nice lol ty

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=robux+free

[wintry agate]

How long did it took you to unlock tier 7&8? @deft lichen

How long did it took you guys to unlock tier 7&8?

[bleak coral]

they're more equivalent to coal power, it's only 4500MW total for the whole map
could easily skip coal if you could do them around the same time, but they're unlocked at the earliest around fuel gens so it's kinda meh

[wintry agate]

4500MW is kinda mid when I get 2250 with 12 coal gens

[bleak coral]

yup

[wintry agate]

How long did it took you to unlock tier 7&8?

[true junco]

Geothermal power is pretty good considering how simple they are.

Every other power plant has to be constantly fed resources. And the more powerful the generator, the more conplex and fragile the system that feeds them those resources...

Geotherm is literally, place, connect, forget.

[wintry agate]

!wikisearch adaptive+control+unit

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=adaptive+control+unit

[bleak coral]

idk, it's been a couple years since the first time, I play slow and start building big around steel, so I'm 120hrs into this save without hitting T7/8

it really really depends on playstyle for T7/8

like I'm sure they could be rushed in like 10-20 hours, but that's no fun for me

[wintry agate]

Its 60 hrs for me and I almost finished tier 5 and 6 just need 1 more milestone for it to be finished. Then I have to start grinding for phase 3

[bleak coral]

yeah I've got all the milestones, just finishing up the computer/circuit board factory then finish the last part that needs computers

[wintry agate]

oh hell nah computers

[bleak coral]

computers aren't bad

[wintry agate]

Bro it needs so much time and patience to automate it

[cinder silo]

Computers are alright, I managed to automate those very early in my old base before it all got dynamited.

[fleet dawn]

Has anyone messed around with rifle in U8? I want to automate ammo, so definitely going to do explosive rebar, but which rifle ammo is good in U8?

[deft lichen]

130 hours or so

[floral stirrup]

i built massive factories and bus lines so i was about 200 hours, but that is super slow, i was just enjoying the game as i had already done multiple saves

[wintry agate]

omg that alot lol

[delicate chasm]

I played for 420 hours (not typo, not meme number) before hitting Tier 7-8 the first time.

Latest save, 180 hours to T7.

Fastest save, I think it was 30 something...maybe right at 40?

[wide roost]

current save i unlocked 7&8 at about 25 hours

the first 2 launches can be ripped through quite quickly

[delicate chasm]

Homing and turbo are really great. Homing is the highest damage per shot but turbo ammo is the best argument for making turbofuel even considering u8 jetpack, IMO. LBF is better in slot than TF for jetpacking while you still NEED a jetpack for anything*

* avoiding building foundation ramps or ladders for exploration

Homing ammo REALLY stands head and shoulders above turbo ammo when you're shooting Jeff though.

(saves more than 1 shot)

[drowsy finch]

you can later use them for geothermal energy or a resource well, to place a wter extractor, place it on a larger body of water

[bright sentinel]

guys please help idk which one is most best

[jagged warren]

100% 2nd

but u can get all of them later so dont worry

[bright sentinel]

thanks

[jagged warren]

just use what u feel u might need more soon

or what u dont wanna see ever again like ||biocoal🤮||

[bright sentinel]

I wanted the steel one, seems difficult to get more coal, but beams will use less steel

[marsh dirge]

Yo trak

[jagged warren]

thats not coal thats coke

coke is made from oil

[marsh dirge]

trakktor

[jagged warren]

ive never played on a dedicated server

[marsh dirge]

are u saying that to me

[vapid gorge]

beams are used for a lot and it's a straight up 33% steel saving

[jagged warren]

yeah werent u gonna ask me that

[marsh dirge]

maybe

[bright sentinel]

if you have a third party hosting a server, you can shut your pc off, its not dependant on your pc

[jagged warren]

dont think that exists for satis tho does it

[marsh dirge]

/so if the dedicated server file is on my pc it has to be on?

[jagged warren]

yes

[marsh dirge]

can i still have the game closed?

[jagged warren]

no

ur running the calculations lol

[marsh dirge]

but the dedicated server start up is in my files not my game

[jagged warren]

idk man ask in #dedicated-servers lol

[marsh dirge]

do u use one?

[jagged warren]

i told u i never played on one

[marsh dirge]

o work i forgot

bro i aint tryna pay 10$ a month for one

[jagged warren]

in that case you most likely have to keep the game running

and u cant buy a server yourself either cuz thatd cost like 200-300€ to get a cpu good enough to run satis

[marsh dirge]

do u buy modded

i mean play

[jagged warren]

nope

check the modding discord for that

[marsh dirge]

i was just gonna ask if it was fun

[bright sentinel]

why don't you try it with your friend and find out

[vapid gorge]

I woudln't play moded until you'd gone through the tiers at least once personally - there's a lot to learn

[alpine tree]

When setting up 3 water extractors for 8 coal plants, does it matter to space them out in between the coal plants? Or can I go extractor, extractor, extractor -> pipe -> Coal plant x8?

[bright sentinel]

3 extractors is 360 water, so youll need tier 2 pipe if you're only using one pipe

I use a parrallel connection with tier 1 pipes

I also actually adjusted my pump setup to go down to 1 pump after someone told me

[alpine tree]

Alright, Tier 2: go nuts, tier1: space it out. Got it.

[bright sentinel]

it's not about spacing, its about pipe capacity, parrallel circuit.

[alpine tree]

Yeye, but the capacity cap basically forces spacing to solve it, so tomato tomato.

[topaz jetty]

Really the 8:3 coal setup is very basic and is even referenced on the wiki

!wikisearch coal+generator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coal+generator

[bright sentinel]

Will this send frames through the middle when right is full?

[vapid gorge]

it'll always send it right as well as forward.

[wind spade]

The buffers are kinda pointless there

[bright sentinel]

doesn't hurt anything, and makes me feel better 🙂

[wind spade]

Doesn't help either

[bright sentinel]

It helps my psych though

[wind spade]

And given the wonkiness of buffers, I wouldn't be surprised if it could hurt your setup

[sweet anvil]

any one has a good nuclearpower setup?

[wind spade]

Nuclear power plant connected to water extractors and fuel rod source 🙂

[topaz jetty]

^

[sweet anvil]

i mean a complet set up, with all productions steps and alternate recepys usw

i calculated it all but i have no idea which alternate recepys would be help full

[vapid gorge]

you can play around with the recipes using this tool pretty quickly.

As for 'which alt's you want' they essentially add other resources to stretch out the uranium so figure out what you're willing to transport and how much power you want https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=J7prFNvaubBUHBBqZdmn

[sweet anvil]

thanks, but i´v already used that but its still verry anoying to look wichich combination of alternate recepys helps the most. But i guess i just have figure that out or?

[vapid gorge]

is it? turn off a base recipe then check mark the alt to see what difference in resources it needs?

did you have questions other that what resources might be needed?

if you've got some specific questions shoot - but I'm not just going to go over every point, would take ages

[sweet anvil]

sorry, i just thouth some one had already done that and had a good setup to share. i think i´ll just test throuth. i wanted a mix between less resorces and less processing steps

but thx anyway

[vapid gorge]

Oh I'm sure they have but it might not be anything you like.

Like I'm using the alts that maximise uranium use?

I'm currently buildiong this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=ufKQMFA47dqxgHvewi7P

Questions about 'set up' always seem vague though. As long as you're connecting up the right parts per minute to the right sections it'll work and could be called 'good' right?

and using the planner you could even use it to help plan where you put sections of your factory so it feeds into the next phase w/o having to move far

and I'm not sure my set up would be right for you 😄 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123786473003560980/1123804439921303552/image.png?width=1618&height=905

[fallow kettle]

when the inputs for iron wire and cast screws line up

[marsh dirge]

@fallow kettle u

[fallow kettle]

me personally i'd pick 2 but ill let other have opinions too

[wide roost]

Choose any and do another drive

[topaz jetty]

My opinion? Don’t do 1

[fierce ruin]

this a big cyka

[boreal sparrow]

I’ve done almost exactly that before

[boreal sparrow]

You probably already picked one, but I would recommend 3

[rich spear]

do you think it's a good start for the first steel factory ? or i must do more normal beam or pipe ?

[deft lichen]

this is fine if the pipes and beams are for storage and encased beams for HMF and storage

[rich spear]

okey thx yes this is for storage and encased beams for mk4 build

[jolly creek]

Is that a sushi belt? I hope not otherwise I'm going to lose it.

[fierce ruin]

sushi

no

is concrete and copper
no food here

5 * 4 = 20 containers

i hope this sustains my manufacturing
of random shit

[jolly creek]

Oh ok.

[topaz jetty]

I plugged my spinning up coal plant into my grid... 😂

[fleet dawn]

"automated" (set up a temp mfg site) to make myself some packaged turbofuel and turbo ammo. Now that that's done, I'll probably build some limited homing ammo for big spiders. Thanks for the tip on the ammo changes 🤘

[fleet dawn]

This'll happen haha, it'll even out eventually if you've done your math right! 🙂

but hey look how much more production you can handle now!

[dawn creek]

<@&1077298315558920285>
Re: Radiation page on the wiki: It looks like the safe distances shown in the Examples section for radiation distances are incorrect.
@wind spade confirmed that the radiation values are correct.
When I use the equation and the radiation values, I get different distances than what the wiki has. Spreadsheet file is in the quoted post, showing the differences in wiki vs calculated.

I just now verified these ones in-game, and they are indeed different from the wiki's examples:

500 Uranium Waste  36m
2400 Uranium Fuel Rods  110m
2400 Plutonium Fuel Rods  170m
24000 Uranium Waste  134m
24000 Plutonium Waste  265m

Distances ^there^ are to the front of an Industrial Storage Container +5m.

[deft lichen]

these are measured values or values calculated using the formula?

[dawn creek]

For the five of them I verified, they are measured, and they match the calculated values exactly.

[dawn creek]

Ok I just finished testing every example cases on the wiki page.
Every one matches my calculated numbers spot-on.

• Testbed photo and method's attached.
• I went to the closest point at which there was no detectable radiation, measured to the front of the container multiple times, and added 5m to get its centerpoint.
• No other radiation sources are present.
• Quantities of radioactive materials were placed into the container using Satisfactory Calculator.

I did also test some extreme cases, and once that happens, then there is some skew between calculated and measured:

qty Pu Waste    Calc    Meas
500,000,000    877    870
5,000,000,000    1028    893
10,000,000,000    1076    941

[deft lichen]

I see

I'll try to update the page asap

thanks for bringing it up

[fleet dawn]

So in my U8 save I've automated RCUs and FMFs, now it's time to build a supercomputer factory.

I'm at a bit of a crossroads. Do I just build 1.875/min (1 manufacturer) or do I build with Assembly Director Systems in mind (much higher scale)

I have mk.5 belts unlocked so the throughput is possible.

I'm torn

I'd like to build a megafactory for them but since my current layout /train network is only in the Dune Desert and Swamp areas, I think the more prudent choice would be to just build a 1 manufacturer factory for now until I unlock Mk.3 miners and move into a more global biome meta

[hard magnet]

oversupply your computer build, use the extra for later?

I'm up in the titan forest with all the quartz and copper I want, and I've just decided to go up

experimenting with vertical-stack blueprints

will report back in a few thousand hours when i finish

[whole crest]

Hey planing on running 90 iron ingots for screws using the alt recipe can someone let me know the amount of screws I'd get

[fleet dawn]

Press "N" in game. The search box that comes up can be used to find recipes that you know, but also as a calculator.

So press N and search Screw and you will see the iron screws recipe. You will see that 12.5/min iron ingots produces 50/min screws.

So then you can hit escape, hit "N" again, and input 90/12.5*50 and you'll get 360 screws per minute

[whole crest]

Oh I'm away from computer otherwise I'd do it. I was making calculations while at work

[bright sentinel]

Hey guys, I spent a shit ton of time on my first big build, very proud of it, my biggest build and furthest i've gotten in the game. Went big here because I'm hoping to go to nuclear so need everything I can get.
Any ways, I would like some math help to help me finish off this build. Who is ready for some math?

The live picture of the setup isn't completely acurate to the spread sheet, because the pic is out dated but the spread sheet is acurate.

My question is, in theory can I add two more fuel gens on this system, and where would I connect them in? I think I would have to somehow link all my fuel lines together?

This is what I'm thinking , not suure if this will give me problems.

[snow dove]

put a fuel generator underclocked to 66.6666% at the end of each manifold

oh and remove every buffer

[bright sentinel]

Oh I didn’t think of that

Why remove buffers

[snow dove]

they don't do anything, but can make headlift a major headache

[bright sentinel]

Thanks

[fierce ruin]

anyone know what this is

[vapid gorge]

encased beams - I'm pretty sure you can hover over for tool tips?

[vapid gorge]

So what are the numbers you're working with @naive vessel ?

[naive vessel]

so

i work with 120 coal/min for 8 coal gen

so 2 spot of coal with t1 miners

i still have 3 spots near

[fading urchin]

Why not just overclock a couple of the existing generators @bright sentinel

[vapid gorge]

shh

[naive vessel]

dont have yet

im still in phase 2

[vapid gorge]

Well my recomendation? just create 3 more groups of 8 coal gens 🙂 and leave space for more later

[fading urchin]

Oh that was for Jabroni

[naive vessel]

???

[vapid gorge]

ah, I wasn't wanting to confuse new person

[vapid gorge]

well you said you had 3 more coal nodes right?

[naive vessel]

yep

[vapid gorge]

might as well make 3 more groups 🙂

[naive vessel]

i need 120 per 8 gen

[fading urchin]

Oh my b, I should have made a direct response

[vapid gorge]

how much can you get from each node right now?

[naive vessel]

60

[vapid gorge]

ah ok.
Well buonyk mentioned 'overclocking', it's very useful for miners.

My suggestion would be to unlock it and over clock your coal nodes. Get a lot more power

[naive vessel]

honestly the problem is going to be the ressources

[vapid gorge]

to build the coal generators you mean?

[bright sentinel]

Yeah, I don't usually mess around with overclocking so I didn't even think of it

Iroh told me to add and underclock which I'm going to do

[naive vessel]

yeah and everything like that

[vapid gorge]

is your factory making parts still making stuff now? Are they feeding containers while you do stuff?

[naive vessel]

nope

i need to do a make over total

[vapid gorge]

ah well THATS your first task then - get it making a few parts per min for all the things you need for more coal gens and water extractors 🙂

now that you have automatic power you can go and do things in the world and your factory will have made a ton of parts for you to use

[naive vessel]

can my power go this far?

[vapid gorge]

just stretch a cable 🙂 no limits as long as you build it

you'll have to put a few down ofc

[naive vessel]

its not going to like jump the fuse?

[formal lynx]

imagine if they had real electrical transmision properties and you had to do a substation transmit power over super long distances

[naive vessel]

dont give them ideas

[vapid gorge]

cables don't increase power consumption and there's no electrical resistance in the game

[naive vessel]

oof

[median heath]

They considered that and decided against.

[formal lynx]

oh they did? interesting. Wasnt aware of that

[naive vessel]

alright then send me a gun and i can go back 🤣

[vapid gorge]

so I think you have your plan right?
Go make your factory automatic so you get parts while you unlock over clocking.

[floral spade]

They figure out space travel and build buildings instantly so I guess they also figure how the best way to transfer electricity

[vapid gorge]

cheapest way to transfer electricity. This is Space Amazon after all

[naive vessel]

oh yeah right 😅 do you have one for me? 😅

im joking

[median heath]

They mentioned as such.

But it is a fact of game dev that when you get years into the game the community very rarely has "new" ideas that the devs have never considered.

Almost everything people can think of has been thought of, pitched, and said yes or no to.
Because the people making the game are also people. Just like us, so they have the same ideas.

[naive vessel]

im going to figure it out

[vapid gorge]

go, shoo! go make things automatic and over clock your coal miners 🙂

[floral spade]

They do be working us like we are Amazon employees as well so I guess that makes sense

[naive vessel]

I JUST NEED A GUN TO KILL THE BAD ANIMALS

[vapid gorge]

and like Amazon are probably running out of possible people to employ so need robots

[naive vessel]

😖 im scared

[vapid gorge]

go make one 😛 do you have the blade runners yet?

[naive vessel]

no and my hub is

[naive vessel]

up there

[vapid gorge]

ok, go reasearch caterium, blade runners, automate your factory then unlock clocking 😛 go go go

[naive vessel]

is this the wierd yellow rock?

[formal lynx]

i figured they had thought about it, but wasnt aware they had openly said no to it. It is a cool idea but i can see the drawbacks from a dev standpoint trying to implement the infrastructure for something like that. so much work for something that most people realistically wouldn't like and all the bugs that would inevitably come with it. there's a good reason im not a game designer. id be one of those reach for the stars and never deliver on anything LOL

[vapid gorge]

might be sulfur - go to it and see what it says

[median heath]

Where do you think the new Power Towers came from?

😁

[formal lynx]

probably from an internal or external suggestion.

[median heath]

Feature didn't work out but the buildable still made it into the game.

[median heath]

No like, given the original context of our discussion.

[formal lynx]

ah, twell thats cool

[median heath]

That's where they came from. But then transformers and stuff got canned.
So they just repurposed them.

[formal lynx]

i wasn't aware of this particular piece of info so didnt wana assume anything

better to play it safe ya know

[median heath]

Nah. Call Kenny Loggins and get in the danger zone.

[formal lynx]

L O L

[median heath]

🎶 LOL IN TO THE DANGER ZONE 🎶

[naive vessel]

this?

[vapid gorge]

says caterium 😄

take a few stacks back to your base and MAM and do stuff

[naive vessel]

a few stack?

[vapid gorge]

a couple stacks is prob enough

[floral stirrup]

ok so im doing a fuel gen setup and i have 2 pipes of 600 and 1 pipe of 400. each pipe of 600 should be able to supply exactly 50 gens, but I have been waiting for a few hours (as im building the rest of the plant) and even the first pipe i built has not overflowed and will not stablize. it does not reach about 6 gens? anybody know if im doing something wrong or have had the same experience?

[naive vessel]

i only got 27 and it destroyed

[vapid gorge]

ah ok you'll want to find a node.

if you can use that at the MAM you can learn how to scan for them I think

[naive vessel]

ok

i just need to restart my coal plant and im going to do what you said

[bright sentinel]

check the % run time of your machines to locate what isn't running as it should be, check the pipes that they are filling properly and no failed connection

[floral spade]

There a node near that coal your mining

[naive vessel]

where?

[naive vessel]

thats far

[floral stirrup]

ya, i check and these machines seem to just be hovering around6 68 - 78% and then the following 4 gens wont barely get above 30%. i have counted to make sure i have the correct amount of gens

[floral spade]

If you start running now you should be there in about 5 minutes

[bright sentinel]

did you check all the supply machines, the node pumpers, the refineries @floral stirrup

see which one is functioning at 100% and start the diagnose from there

[floral stirrup]

ok, will do, and get back to you thanks so much bro

kinda emberassing, i got over 300 hours and forgot about those basic things haha

[bright sentinel]

your builds make me look like a noob and I'm trying to tell you what I would do haha

[floral stirrup]

haha nice, thanks bro but im sure your builds are dope, in satisfactory there are so many things to remember im always bound to forget something

[bright sentinel]

Thanks, I just like to produce shit and progress, don't really give a shit about looks or design.

as long as something can be diagnosed or changed without causing brain damage thats my minimum requirement in a build

[floral stirrup]

nah i feel that, if it works it works haha. i only started doing it recently to see what a world without spaghetti would be like. but i may have just ended up putting the spaghetti under a nice looking building...

[bright sentinel]

I actually have a build I rushed earlier in this map that I was gonna ask everyone in this discord if it is possible to build a nuke and blow the facotry up

[floral stirrup]

damn haha, that would be funny feature

[bright sentinel]

hhahahah yeah, it definitely needs to be blown up

[floral stirrup]

yo thanks bro, my blenders were at like 80%

forgot to check them

[naive vessel]

where are the blade runners?

[bright sentinel]

qaurtz

I made the same mistake

[naive vessel]

oh

[vapid gorge]

ah I think they must hae swapped it at somes point. Should be quartz on that cliff too though

[naive vessel]

yeah there is

they are in quartz 😑

[vapid gorge]

@bright sentinel ok so if you're feeding 100 items pm to 10 machines that each take 10 per minute - as an example

[bright sentinel]

9 will saturate and over fill

[vapid gorge]

you're comfortable that each machine in the line will fill up and over flow right?

[bright sentinel]

Not the last machine

The last machine should consume what it’s given

[vapid gorge]

Well ok so the 9th machine, when the rest are full, will get 20pm right?

except it'll fill up as it only uses 10

[bright sentinel]

Right

[vapid gorge]

so the 10 that's overfull will get sent to the last machine

[bright sentinel]

Then that last machine only gets 10 and uses 10, so is that enough to keep it at 100% efficiency

[vapid gorge]

yup

it'll never get full but it'll work at 100%

[bright sentinel]

I feel like it should have a little saturation atleast for safety lol

[vapid gorge]

machines have spin up and spin down times from making items - that small gap of time will let it accumulate a few extra items

[bright sentinel]

Oh

[vapid gorge]

and you can always pre fill machines by hand to remove the fill time for a manifold

[bright sentinel]

That makes sense then it should always get the saturation it needs to stay 100%

[vapid gorge]

if you're dealing with recipes that use wire or screws I'd recomend hand filling - because they stack to 500 manifolds take ages to fill

[bright sentinel]

Oh yikes

[vapid gorge]

like it will fill up to 100% but might take a while. If you need the items fast hand filling will help. Though if you wander off to go build something you'll be fine

[bright sentinel]

I like to do many things like explore and work on future infrastructure while my stuff crafts

Never a problem for me

[vapid gorge]

yeah if you're going up the tiers it's often not an issue. If I'm making a final stage factory and want to test the system though I pre fill

[floral stirrup]

ya i highly recommend getting alternate recipes that get rid of screws as soon as you can, they just suck to deal with

[vapid gorge]

they are more of an issue early on for people. Inexperience + building as you need make them more annoying to use

if you're making a planned system you can make the screws right next to the machine that uses them and it makes your life simpler

for example - steel screws turn beams into boxes of 52 screws that get unpacked by a constructor

[floral stirrup]

ya most definetly

late game with mk 5 conveyers and such mass quantities of screws are no problem

[vapid gorge]

even with mk5 you still want to build in proximity though. Some recipes are like 250pm no overclock per machine

[floral stirrup]

very true

[vapid gorge]

I'm vaguely tempted to make a big HMF factory with the screw recipes xD

[floral stirrup]

oh no haha, good luck my brother

half of the factory will be screw space

[vapid gorge]

mostly steel! just OC this baby

650 screws pm11!!1!1

[alpine tree]

Overclocking mostly made sense for miners, right?

[floral stirrup]

LETS GOOOOO

[floral stirrup]

yes

[vapid gorge]

so I take it you have an unstable fluid system?

[floral stirrup]

ya, i have well over 300 hours but i think my brain broke

im forgetting something

[vapid gorge]

ok build a tower or something you can take a picture of the system as a whole to show the layout and how you built the pipes

that's step 1

[floral stirrup]

ok so 2 600 pipes and 1 400 pipe

each 600 pipe can support 50 gens, but they just wont overflow

[vapid gorge]

well

are these actually joined or just clipped?

[floral stirrup]

getting better photo

[vapid gorge]

just need to know if they are at a junction or not

clipped is fine

[floral stirrup]

no

clipped

[vapid gorge]

ok so there's a few things you could do.

would you prefer to try a few smaller steps that you might have to rejigger a number of times to get it going - or do a moderate overhaull to something that will work

[floral stirrup]

those yellows are tunred off because it would not overflow to them

sure

thank you so much man

[vapid gorge]

We can do a few small steps

ok this is assuming you've done the math right and all that and you don't have any bugged pipes - but if the main problem are the end machiens it's prob not a bug

have you heard of a Pipe Loop ?

[floral stirrup]

transport system

no i havent

[vapid gorge]

ok so one of hte basic methods of getting a pipe system to work smoothly is to work with back flow

[fading urchin]

Soprry for my late reply and also lack of staying up with the conversation, that's great you got a solution, way I see it is you could overclock a couple of machines and not have to add additional machines to change your layout or anything. It should be able to stay the same as long as you don't overtake max throughput of belt or pipe

[floral stirrup]

ohhhh

so I should loop it around through the gens?

[vapid gorge]

when machines pull fluid from a pipe teh fluid further along might move backwards if the space behind them is less full than forward

[floral stirrup]

oh ok makes sense

[vapid gorge]

well - each branch you're doing? Do something like this example

then turn off like 1 machine in each main manifold and let it flood

letting a system flood before turning it on is the 2nd big piece of setting up a reliably stable fluid system

[floral stirrup]

ok, i stopped the inefficent ones

[bright sentinel]

its working perfectly fine with negligible fuel loss that i'm not worried about, underclocking was a great idea

[vapid gorge]

so essentially

1. loops on all hte branches
2. turn off 1 machine on each branch

THEN the only machines that should be off are the ones you've turned off
if this isn't the case you have a different problem

[floral stirrup]

so like that

[vapid gorge]

if it still isn't working there you can follow the pipes backwards and make sure the previous step is workign in a stable way, if not the nyou can try to figure it out from there

[floral stirrup]

where it all connects back to itself

[vapid gorge]

hard to tell from the pic - I'd just build the extra pipe over the existing one and do a little loop at the ends

[floral stirrup]

ya sorry haha, just trying to show all pipes connect to back to each other

[floral stirrup]

ok

[vapid gorge]

typically - I would generally suggest only doing 1 long manifold rather than many branches - but it's possible to make multi branches work too

[floral stirrup]

wait bro damn i just unleashed it and its sustaining!

[vapid gorge]

though over all it's a solid build - you don't have a lot of extra merges and splits doing weird things

[floral stirrup]

wizadry

[vapid gorge]

as in you let it flood w/o the loop? it might stabalise

[floral stirrup]

i added the loop

[vapid gorge]

oh that was quick

flood it and let me know 🙂

[floral stirrup]

it wasnt to hard, i made it specifically easy to modify

cuase i was afraid something like this would happend haha

sorry i meant as in i tried it with 1 section haha, im not that fast lol

[vapid gorge]

ah right xD

[floral stirrup]

building the rest now

ok so is it normal for my pipe to just start fluctuating? it is rapidly changing from 600 all the way down to 200 m/min

this is the 400 pipe, is that an issue with the production line?

[vapid gorge]

if you've turned off 1 of hte machines on the line then your producers will be stuttering right?

[floral stirrup]

right ill check, i just gotta say you dont have to do all this and i appreciate your help a lot man

still learning the game so thanks so much

[vapid gorge]

I'm just watching stuff atm, though I'm leaving hte house in a 30 min or so

[floral stirrup]

ah nice

a mk 2 pipe should be able to hold 4 machines producing 100 fuel p min right? as it hold 600

2 of those blenders arent able to put their full output into the pipe, and all the gens are being powered

33.3333 gens for 400 fuel

[vapid gorge]

normal if you've turned off even 1 machien they are feeding

[floral stirrup]

ah alr

DOPE, its working man! thanks so much

that was reallly helpfull

[vapid gorge]

no prob - you're set up was mostly fine.
half the time people have a mess of pipes all interconnected and awful

you don't always need a pipe loop - but it solves so many issues I make it standard practice

[floral stirrup]

oh thanks haha, ya thats smart. i didnt think about that, i was thinking about this as if it was a normal conveyer overflow setup

[vapid gorge]

that's part of what trips people up

but yeah - send fluid from A to B, no merges or splits

loop it on a single branch

Flood it

It'll work if you did it right

if it doesn't you prob did a small math error an a tiny oops in the build

[floral stirrup]

dope man, thanks!

have a great rest of your night

[vapid gorge]

you too 🙂

[topaz jetty]

Okay, it took 5 hours but i got Coal Power online now to automate steel

How many pure iron nodes are there in the green fields?

[vapid gorge]

not sure. Plenty of iron in general though

[zinc crater]

This is what you're looking at for Pure iron in/around Grassy Fields.

[topaz jetty]

Okay where did you get that?

[zinc crater]

Normal(orange), Impure(red).
Like Cobalt said, plenty of iron around.

[zinc crater]

SCIM.
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#4.25;-17346;215660|realisticLayer|ironNormal;ironImpure;ironPure

I just linked you with only iron nodes showing on map when you load.

[vapid gorge]

I would recommend avoiding though if you like exploration

Complete and total spoiler

I stayed clear of it for quite a while

After having ran across every part of the map a couple times though I felt it was pretty unspoilery 😄

and it IS a fun world to explore

[topaz jetty]

Thanks

[topaz jetty]

I did do that

But now im a teeny bit impatient

[vapid gorge]

fair 😄

[topaz jetty]

Ya know what, playing with it, There are a lot of impure nodes really close together so here i go spam miners

and trucks

[vapid gorge]

impure, pure. not much of a dif. Generally you're capped by belt limit for most of the game anyway

and you can still do a lot with impure nodes

[topaz jetty]

Yes

But you generally need more than one

I managed to make a Relatively good smart plating plant with just 2 of those buggers

Well there is one more thing on my agenda: cleanup

This is my clutter

[vapid gorge]

no foundations? barbaric

[topaz jetty]

early game

[vapid gorge]

still 😛

[topaz jetty]

gonna regret that as soon as i start cleaning

[fierce ruin]

ngl that’s a beautiful map whatd u use for that?

[exotic ledge]

I just upgraded my Silica factory and I have this result:

• Line of 150
• Second Line of 150
• Line of 225
  I want to split it into a line of 270 and 255. Do I need to balance out the math precisely (splitting one line 5 times) or am I able to just manifold the lines together?
  What's if I wasn't able to balance out the math precisely next time?
  (By "Manifold" I mean to just split the line of 150 on a Mk1 belt and Mk2. The "math" works itself out.)

[bleak coral]

Just don't merge them like that in the first place

[exotic ledge]

Q_Q but then I have 3 belts to manage instead of 2

[bleak coral]

no I mean at the machine level, don't give yourself 3 belts to balance just merge them in way that gets 270 and 255 in the first place

add a machine or two if you need to and mess with clock speeds

[exotic ledge]

Oh...

Yeah that's not a bad idea.

I'll try that, thanks.

[devout igloo]

is this the best way to do 4 construckts in a confined space?

[wide roost]

if you have mk3 belts, try and shove everything down that one belt and overflow anything else onto another belt

[floral stirrup]

i would say so, just depends if you have more room horizontally or vertically

[woven jewel]

im new at the game

how do i calculate this

like how many leaves do i need to smelt 10 iron

[deft lichen]

you should continuously supply fuel to the burner

the burners scale to demand

figuring out how many leaves are needed per iron ingot is possible, but you shouldn't think that way

[woven jewel]

ok thanks

[woven jewel]

yeah i agree but when you leave it running it still uses the things u put it in

[snow dove]

it only consumes the fuel it needs to produce the energy you need

[deft lichen]

it doesn't stop completely because all idle machines consume 0.1 MW

but you'll see it slows down to a near stop

[snow dove]

is that true for every machine?

[woven jewel]

yea

[deft lichen]

I think so, there might be some exceptions though (freight platforms maybe)
they for example changed truck stations to always be online rather than idling when not in use

[bright sentinel]

I like exploring, but I don't mind knowing where nodes are so I can set up proper factories without wasting a ton of time

[bleak coral]

truck stations totally go idle

they're only active with a vehicle underneath them

[deft lichen]

got that mixed up with something then

[vapid gorge]

proper is making working factories. Unless they are part of an end goal they're probably also temporary anyway even if you do use the map

[lean schooner]

hello, so i have a question about coal generator, is it more effience to overclock the coal miner and have more coal generator or overclock the coal generator ?

[bleak coral]

overclocking the coal generator doesn't change the conversion rate, still needs the same amount of stuff for the same amount of power

so you'd have to do both if you OC the coal gen

[lean schooner]

okay i see, but it would coast lots of power shards to OC everything ?

[bleak coral]

yup

that's just for power generators though, for regular production machines it makes the power consumption go up

so it costs power and shards

[vapid gorge]

early on often best to just overclock your miners.

As that gives you more resources to work with - while overclocking generators and construction buildings only save you space

[lean schooner]

Okay so i will stick to do lots of coal generator, i had a layout that used 32 of them but i didnt if it was actually really effective

[vapid gorge]

coal is your first go at fluids and it's good to keep it simple. There's diagrams on the wiki in the coal generator page showing how you can set up groups of 8 generators and 3 water extractors as that makes groups that use that exact amount of water

[lean schooner]

yeah i know how to do that, and yeah water is anoying

well thx guys for the answers

[fierce ruin]

its easier if you build vertically then belt stuff

[topaz jetty]

SCIM

[topaz jetty]

This was one mostly built before I unlocked foundations and two the parts built after were gonna be integrated into a big singular building anyway so I decided not to

[exotic ledge]

I'm doing a bunch of math to prepare for my new Oil + Steel base.

I just need a confirmation:
My maximum belt speed is 480. I have two nodes. I cannot go past 480 ore per node
There's no tricks or anything, right?

[brittle kayak]

You're talking specifically about the maximum amount coming out of e.g. a miner, or in general?

[exotic ledge]

The maximum I can extract from the miner.

[brittle kayak]

From/to a single source you can't go past that (except maybe with some SCIM magic). Other than that, you can add parallel lines to increase throughput.

[exotic ledge]

Thought so. Thanks.

[brittle kayak]

Kinda sorta very loosely related: I've been doing some researching today because of my relatively mental goal of producing 25 Thermal Propulsion Rockets per minute. Takes quite a bit of resources to get there.

Almost 12k iron ore per minute, over 9k coal per minute, 5k nitrogen gas per minute etc.

Should be entirely possible though, provided my PC doesn't crash. 😄

[exotic ledge]

👀
So, you're outsourcing many nodes to reach those numbers?

[brittle kayak]

I'm going to build as much straight at the source as possible, and then transport as few items as possible to the 10 Manufacturers actually making the rockets.

[exotic ledge]

Ah, right right. Don't need to ship the raw contents directly if they can be reduced.

[brittle kayak]

My very humble beginning for the project is now posted on #screenshots 😂 I dismantled everything except for my nuclear reactors because the setup is going to require almost 47GW of electricity.

[next pewter]

Actually, i like your approach, starting from the output. I start from the input side for my ADS factory, but it becomes discouraging to place 150 constructors before seeing any materialflow... this is better probably, you see the outputs flowing into your higher tier machines directly. Though i guess Planning factory space will be more tricky like this probably.

[brittle kayak]

I suspect a top-down approach is pretty much a must in this case, to get all the balancing right. 🙂

[onyx perch]

is this technically load balancing? if it had constant items, or is it just like a splitter?

both belts are coming out, no items actually going it

in

[deft lichen]

industrial containers don't output evenly