satisfactory

[raven grotto]

like its a bug or its now a feature kinda yes

[fiery pewter]

It's been a bug for so long it's a feature now

Well, for years now

[hard wolf]

it does, because AI has a tendency to hallucinate, which lends itself towards misinformation. if you give it all of your trust it'll lead you astray, and you seem to want AI to be a part of everything. you even said you want AI to build factories for you so you can spend all of that time exploring, which defeats the purpose of this game entirely

[fiery pewter]

AI is gonna get mad cow disease of some sorts

[hard wolf]

there are a lot of idiots driving pavement princesses, and those don't really care what's in front of them

[fiery pewter]

Lol, as if that only happens in the USA

[fickle locust]

I remember someone came in and asked a question about why their factory wasn't working

The AI very compliantly had written a whole page on how the problem was an issue with the game, completely not the player's fault, it was a known unsolvable issue

Problem is that was 100% not true, and it took multiple real people saying "that is nonsense" for the person to listen and get the issue resolved.

[hard wolf]

I dunno. Claude shut down a 24/7 radio station because worker rights and ethics. that's the closest we've come to actual artificial intelligence (and I love it so much. you go Claude 🖤)

[dense violet]

some people are happy to rent out all thought to a machine

[hard wolf]

the problem is that "muricans" are proud of it. I'm surrounded (less so now that I've moved from the south to the pacific northwest) by a bunch of sociopaths who don't give a fuck about how anyone else feels, even to their own detriment

[raven grotto]

and ill see myself out of here

[fiery pewter]

Lol

Now I wonder if some people know that this Discord server has an #off-topic-general

[agile surge]

How is it that I look at a youtube video on how to build a factory for modular frames, and then I try on another playthrough to use satisfactory calculator, and the youtube video is just better. Like the youtube gives 6 modular frames/min with 120 iron in, but the satisfactory calculator one gives 10/min with 240 iron in

[fiery pewter]

Alternative recipes probably

[raven grotto]

damn explorer keeps spinning out

[hard wolf]

it started here, and it's most relevant here ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dense violet]

better is subjective, but yeah alt rcipes

[fiery pewter]

Sociopathic Americans is not really related to Satisfactory

[hard wolf]

y tho? :/

[raven grotto]

because i can and will

[hard wolf]

but running over animals with trucks is

[agile surge]

It doesnt its wack but I think it has some factories underclocked that I never noticed

[dense violet]

clocking doesn't impact anything other than the space the system is using.
it doesn't change the rate of consumption vs production

[fiery pewter]

Try bolted frame

[hard wolf]

if you have the self awareness to feel called out you can change for the better :3c

[fiery pewter]

I have a hunch that is the recipe used in the video

[raven grotto]

ok why is it a feature that I have to get out of my car in order for the fog of war to go away

[fiery pewter]

To make exploring not too easy

[fickle locust]

My guy I agree with you about trucks being annoying but you're the one who took a game achievement as a reason to start complaining about real-world cars

[raven grotto]

oh ok i see

[fiery pewter]

Also fog of war lol

[dense violet]

I don't actually think that's normal

[raven grotto]

its what its called on SCIM

[latent prawn]

most of the cost of a mod frame is the iron plates going into the RIP's. Stiched plate reduces that

[raven grotto]

did it both on 1.1 and 1.2

[hard wolf]

I'm not complaining. I'm just talking about a game achievement. also, not a guy

[dense violet]

I believe it's happening to you - I just don't think that's normal for everyone
doesn't happen to me

[latent prawn]

also iron pipe + steeled frame does similar

[dense violet]

fog of war is an ancient game term for unexplored map area

[fiery pewter]

It's because you take damage from absolutely nothing whilst in a vehicle. Balancing thing really

[fiery pewter]

It also happens to me

[dense violet]

weird. Maybe you have odd settings or graphics card

[fiery pewter]

Yeah I know

[hard wolf]

also, with how frequently I see people in this channel glorifying america and colonialism, I feel that it's relevant

[raven grotto]

just got a supercomputer IN GAME

[fiery pewter]

I have been playing since U8 and have never been able to explore using vehicles

[raven grotto]

i mean rx 580 havent changed any settings

[abstract heron]

i hae 5080ti

[dense violet]

Oh I completely believe you, but is probably a hard/soft ware issue

like that's not hte weirdest thign I've heard over the years on the server

[raven grotto]

oh i did put cat mode on

[dense violet]

but its definitely the first time hearing that issue

[raven grotto]

makes the game more enjoyable hearing the random meow

[dense violet]

I'd be surprised if it was cat mode. But you never know

[fickle locust]

Apologies for misgendering. Nonetheless I still think that your experience with real-world trucks in the United States isn't on-topic. The US broadly isn't on-topic, good or bad

[latent prawn]

they've never been great for exploration, honestly. most effective way to move around is on foot after you have the skill to handle the fauna without panicking

[fiery pewter]

It's not. I don't have cat mode on

[fiery pewter]

Less enjoyable if, instead of hearing a meow, your hear absolutely nothing until you (sometimed quite litterally) get jumped

[dense violet]

ok how can we bring over the shockingly awful, essentially indentured servitude, truckign contracts that are abusive to american truck drivers over to Satisfactory ?

[hard wolf]

but I can relate it to messages sent recently, which makes it relevant. also did you read this? #satisfactory message also also, if you're not playing Satisfactory roleplaying as a wage slave (which I already am, and makes me a product of colonialism as opposed to that which brings it about) you're playing it wrong

a pioneer is less than a wage slave, as ficsit doesn't pay anything :/

[dense violet]

... its been trivial to manage cables from the start , but ok

power sockets just being ignored

[fiery pewter]

Satisfactory is basically a sandbox game. There's no wrong way of playing the game

[latent prawn]

i think it needs to go from gardening simulator to trucking simulator

[fickle locust]

I did read that, that's what I'm responding to when I said the US is broadly not on-topic. Glorifying or not

[dense violet]

you definitely need mods for gardening satisfactory

[latent prawn]

yardwork, whatever, lol

[hard wolf]

by bringing up ficsit pioneers, hell yeah 😎 🏈

[fickle locust]

I like to play where I keep as much greenery on the map as possible. If I have to exploit this planet I'll at least let it stay beautiful next to the factories

[raven grotto]

cable management? oh god you make me remind myself of what i had to do to cable manage my desk

[dense violet]

best get to it

[raven grotto]

a roll of velcro just to make sure cables dangle

figuring out the hard way that pc power cords can NOT be bucnhed up

but hay building the pc was fun

[hard wolf]

and you're based for that, but worker abuse is intertwined with the lore of Satisfactory, and I think that this game plays to the plight of the abusee and not the abuser

[agile surge]

Also would you guys reccomend a new factory for each major resource? like moving to a different iron node for when I wanna start making modular frame

[hard wolf]

we play the same way :3c

[dense violet]

that's perfectly viable sure

then move frames around

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, depends on playing style but it has been tried before, and making everything in one spot doesn't quite work out

[agile surge]

Bc ive been finding currently I dont have enough iron where I am to keep building new things

[fickle locust]

I started playing this game because I read the Rock Paper Shotgun review about the implications of a factory game that shows you beautiful untouched wildland and forces you to exploit it (which touches on the political themes about worker exploitation as well IIRC)

[dense violet]

ah well the game basically forces you to expand out yes

[fiery pewter]

Time to use them legs and explore (and exploit)

[agile surge]

Nice bc on other playthroughs I got to like stators and motors and went damn I dont have enough

[dense violet]

you can also just use storage after a process to keep thousands of parts on hand and link up storages, let everything over flow

it can be a bit messy, and I don't recommend it as you don't learn as much, but also an option

[fiery pewter]

Eventually things like trucks, tractors, trains and drones will help you to move items over large distances

[agile surge]

I was thinking of having a few factories and then linking everything up by truck or trains once I get more

[fickle locust]

Iron is the most plentiful resource on the map so you can probably go in any direction and find more of it

[agile surge]

and eventually I might just upgrade factories once I get mk3 miners

[dense violet]

sure, that's hwo it goes.
long belts also work if you can't be bothered learning vehicles

[agile surge]

ah ok

[raven grotto]

Cat update when

[fiery pewter]

No

[raven grotto]

Oh shit forgot we have them alr

[fiery pewter]

Very hostile cats that is

[raven grotto]

Mb i just love my cat sm forgot about other ones

[fiery pewter]

But cat is cat

[raven grotto]

#off-topic-media message kitty

[fiery pewter]

You see kitty

I see baby stinger

[raven grotto]

Kitty go rawr

Fight other kitty like dinosaur

[fair finch]

help why my water extractor doesnt collect water im tier 3

[fiery pewter]

Is it powered?

[hard wolf]

@raven grotto I sent you a cable management related DM if you wanna look 👉👈

[raven grotto]

Power, pipes connected?

[fair finch]

ohh it needs power the youtube tutorial kinda misleading

[dense violet]

yeah honeslty avoid youtube tutorials, especially ones involving pipes

[raven grotto]

Interesting

[dense violet]

you don't learn as much, and you have a less easy time figuring out where you might have made a mistake

[raven grotto]

Whats this tut for?

[fair finch]

i just want automatic coal farm

[raven grotto]

Oh boy did you find the right guy

[fair finch]

its gaming with doc im folowwing

[raven grotto]

COBALT GET HIM

[dense violet]

coal power yeah. Look build on foundations and just make sure you aren'te going over your pipe limit 🙂

[hard wolf]

running cables under your desk as easily as possible, so long as it's wood (plywood, MDF, or particle board)

[dense violet]

Yeah... Gaming with Doc has .. ideas about pipes

not awful but I wouldn't use it

[hard wolf]

the more Gaming with Doc content I watch, the less Gaming with Doc content I want to watch :/

[raven grotto]

I think its particle, but i just took velcro to the max and velcroed everything to the frame and a single cable comes off from a power strip

[hard wolf]

if it works it works. I have an Ikea desk (which is basically sawdust, glue, and air) and found those to work really well

[raven grotto]

Ive watched 4 satisfactory vids by, DS_Jeezy for belts, TotalXclipse for architecture, and conner conqures

Now did josh from lets game it out play this

[dense violet]

for acthitecture stuff? yeah youtube is great

[raven grotto]

Just ideas yk

When it comes to ideas im all blank

[fiery pewter]

Oh hell yeah he did

Honestly I believe he alone got tons of new players to Satisfactory

[raven grotto]

oh yea that will be my reward for finishing this

dude hes so funny

[fiery pewter]

He has 4 vids

[raven grotto]

i remember watching him play hydroneer

what no

[hard wolf]

LGiO basically popularized the hypertube cannon

[fickle locust]

More than 4 videos I'm pretty sure

[raven grotto]

ohhhh 4 vids on satisfactory i see

[fiery pewter]

Basically the one who told the joke louder

[fiery pewter]

Yeah that

[hard wolf]

agreed. popularized, not created

[raven grotto]

whatchu guys know bout graystillplays

og yt right there

[fickle locust]

LGIO has more than 4 videos on Satisfactory, I'm positive about that. I can think of 7 off the top of my head

[fiery pewter]

Buncho Happy Wheels

[raven grotto]

BRO HE PLAYED PROJECT ZOMBOID? i havent looked at LGIO in a while

[fiery pewter]

Damn he has 12

Then he made more

At the time I watched him, he only made the initial 4 vids

[fickle locust]

Ah yeah I watch anything he does on Satisfactory, they're great

[raven grotto]

hazmat suit is phase 3 correct

[fickle locust]

The anti-radiation one? That's tier 7

[raven grotto]

damn

so 4?

[fickle locust]

Yes

[agile surge]

Oh also in terms of planning for future factories, is it a good idea to make a scalable blueprint that I can just add onto, so whenever I get an iron node I can make it make a certain output and then link that into whatever new material I need to make?

[worn oar]

That's a good option

Then you can just stack it up

[fickle locust]

If it fits your playstyle, yes
The big thing to know is that alternate recipes will allow you to make the same ingots in different ways
So if you make a smelter blueprint, it won't necessarily scale as you get faster miners, or as you decide you want to use foundry or refinery recipes

[raven grotto]

blueprint ah whats that smething lazy people use (im too lazy to make one n figure out how it works :D

[worn oar]

A lazy engineer is a smart engineer

[dense violet]

eh... not if you want everythign to run smoothly. If you don't care about that, sure yeah do it.

[dense violet]

generally easier to just split more ore from the miners and make a new section of factory

also trying to future proof is usually a waste of time

the milestones are very much like a tutorial to learn how to play and then do your own thing after you finish the unlocks

[hard wolf]

overflow smart splitters are a girl's best friend

[agile surge]

oh ok so basically the strat is build factories and then if I want I can upgrade/expand factories later when I unlock new miners or belts

[hard wolf]

experience will guide you to understanding the wiggle room you have access to

[fickle locust]

I find the pattern is to build a factoy in Phase 1, upgrade it in Phases 2-3, make new ones in Phase 4, and level things to rebuild completely in Phase 5

At a certain point you have so many alternate recipes that you can't easily upgrade in place, it becomes simpler to build the whole thing new

[raven grotto]

boutta unlock geothermal power before phase 3 lol

[agile surge]

fair, I should get started on getting alternate recipes too

[hard wolf]

the pattern I've nestled myself into is spaghetti until I'm ready to build something permanent with enough space to build production lines for the stuff I can't make at that point (which is phase 4, but I still have some work to do before I'm ready for my depot mall, so phase 4.5?)

[hard wolf]

don't rely on that. it basically produces power on a sine wave, requires batteries to be consistent, and is best for powering structures local to the node, like radar towers

[raven grotto]

wasnt going to

just fun to unlock stuff and hear the ADA make fun of the pioneer for no reason

[agile surge]

Im at phase 4, waiting on tier 3 belts and then I feel like things can really get moving, then I can expand to the desert for all my steel and stators n motors n stuff

[raven grotto]

your at phase 4 with mk2 belts??

[agile surge]

not phase maybe tier

[hard wolf]

tier 4

[agile surge]

we just unlocked steel

[raven grotto]

was bout to say lol

i found mk3 easier to make quicker in the early bits

[agile surge]

Yeah I planned out a factory I just need mk3 belts to finish it off, so I might make a factory for steel and then finish that factory later, then I can focus on the space elevator parts

[hard wolf]

I'm sorry. I can't help but to vomit out a bunch of information that might make your life and the lives of everyone else in the chat easier xwx

[hard wolf]

mk3 belts are definitely an item to splurge on

[raven grotto]

some may say the

[fickle locust]

mk 3 belts are my favorite
They're much easier to make than mk 2 or mk 4 and they're good enough for most use cases

[raven grotto]

steeled frame or iron alloy ingot

frame right?

OH YES I NEED IT FOR MY FRAMEWORK

[latent prawn]

both together?

[raven grotto]

finally

i used to pray for times like this

[fickle locust]

They're both very good, iron alloy is the foundation of my factories

[latent prawn]

steeled frame is a lot nicer of a recipe with either iron pipe or molded pipe. it really reduces the cost to use either

[minor marlin]

Hey guys, I get this message when trying to open the game on Experimental Plugin 'Cartograph' failed to load because module 'Cartograph' could not be loaded. There may be an I have verified the game files and then got Plugin 'ContentLib' failed to load because module 'ContentLib' could not be loaded. There may be an operating system error or the module may not be properly set up.. Any idea on how to fix it? The 1.1 works without any issues

[dense violet]

mods don't work on 1.2

[minor marlin]

Yea i know but like im sure i disabled them tbh

[hard wolf]

I'm at a point where I build infrastructure to feed the best belts I can make. mk5 is iffy because I don't want to mass produce aluminum sheets before I can use blenders and the instant scrap alt. that being said, I like using the best belts I can as faster belts mean items get to their destinations quicker and reduces the risk of a production line being stalled by a random lower tier belt in a small spot that would likely cause need for trouleshooting later xwx

[dense violet]

you often need to delete the mods folder to get rid of everything

manually

[gritty spire]

if i run a line of iron into constructors making different things, will the manifold still work? doesn

doesn't it only matter if the input amount is met

[hard wolf]

if the output matches the input it'll work perfectly after it saturates

[latent prawn]

as long as your input satisfies what you need

[dense violet]

as long as

1. you have enough throughput
2. you have enough parts per min for the system

a belt manifold will work

unless you do really silly things like looping your belt manifold on itself or something

[latent prawn]

when machines consume different amounts off of a manifold, sometimes the behavior of how they fill is a little counter intuitive, but they still will fill

[gritty spire]

wish i could send a screenshot of this layout but i dont want to make it without it working lmao. thats why i asked. thanks

[hard wolf]

excuse me, do you have the time to talk about our goddess and savior pure ingot recipes?

[dense violet]

there's very little you could do wrong as long as you satisfy the 2 points I listed 🙂

[hard wolf]

as long as a = b, trust the manifold

[latent prawn]

*to reach proper throughput in 2 hrs 🙂

[hard wolf]

unless you handfeed a bunch of ingots into the inputs so they max out faster

[latent prawn]

or you could just get fast at building splitters 🙂

[hard wolf]

that's a fantastic idea, but load balancers aren't for everyone

[latent prawn]

i didn't say load balancers. i said splitters

load balancers not only split loads evenly, but also pull from the inputs at a fixed ratio. splitters are a subset

[hard wolf]

I'm sure there's a happy medium between balancers and splitters, but balancers are the norm

[latent prawn]

you mean balanced splitters

[raven grotto]

just unlocked daisy chaining in phase 2

[dense violet]

anything that is not a load balancer is by definition an over flow manifold

balancers are definitely not the norm.

[latent prawn]

i actually prefer balancing inputs so that i'm not waiting eons for stuff to warm up

[raven grotto]

sushi belts actually seem fire though i havent made one and tested it yet

[hard wolf]

there's a hybrid balanced manifold, and I've used it a lot. I just think it's unhealthy to push complicated ideas on someone who isn't ready for them

[raven grotto]

anyway im tired asf

[dense violet]

you can usually start systems much ealier manifolding and recoup that time. That time that doesn't really matter since you'll be building other thigns while it spins up

[dense violet]

either it relies on overflowing from one section to another, or it is fully load balanced.

There is no middle ground on this. If any part of the system relies on over flow: manifold
if everything is getting fed just on time: balancer

you can have a system that looks like a load balancer, but is fake?

but then it's just an odd looking manifold

[latent prawn]

what i've been doing lately is builds in which there's a couple of groups of things consuming an item and i'll smart split the input to go to one group that is balanced before forwarding to another that is balanced. that way first product starts going at full speed and the 2nd waits. it's useful for complex prod chains like pipe->eib->hmf

[hard wolf]

unless you have 2 lines, line 1 overflows by a bit, and that overflow feeds into the line just before input line 2 feeds the rest of the system, balancing it out

[glacial totem]

Do you not get your Mercer Sphere back when you deconstruct a Dimensional Uploader?

[latent prawn]

you do, but sometimes your inventory overflows, and it ends up in a crate

...since dismantling one often adds 3 new items to your inventory

[glacial totem]

no mention of a dismantle crate anywhere near me

[dense violet]

then it's a balancer because you've designed it to balance

and it would only be 'overflow' if the previous machines were over full

[hard wolf]

I don't have an example ready, but experience has taught me when and where to inject more resources into a manifold, which better spreads the resources across that manifold

[hard wolf]

it's defilitely both

[dense violet]

jfc

[hard wolf]

line 1 needs 110, but I'm feeding 120. line 2 needs 130 but I'm feeding 120. the merger between the two takes the excess 10 from line 1 and merges it with input 2 to make 130. what's so difficult about this? xwx

[dense violet]

There's a very simple description for a system that is either a load balanced system or a manifold

if any of the machines are getting over fed and overflow another path, it is a manifold
if every machien on the line is being fed just in time it's a load balcned system.

it doesn't matter what gymnastics you do before that

[hard wolf]

it's manifolded in segments but balanced across those segments. it's a manifold balancer. I'm not doing gymnastics. the math is literally right in front of your face

[dense violet]

then if every machine is fed just in time, then it's a load balancer, that's it

that is it. That's all.

you could build what looks like a regular manifold

but clock every machien down 1 line of belts to use less and less per min

and that will be a Load Balancer

[hard wolf]

no. it's not. it's a load balancer fed across multiple manifolds

[dense violet]

is the end result that every machine fed jsut in time?

[hard wolf]

the end result is somewhere between every machine being fed in time and every machine being fed when the manifold can supply them. it balances the inputs across the manifold in order to reduce manifold overflow time

[dense violet]

.... are all the machines fed in time or do some get more than they use?

[hard wolf]

it's a balanced manifold :3c

[dense violet]

yeah ok this is like talking to a flat earther.

[hard wolf]

literally both

[hard wolf]

don't compare me to those willfully beligerent swine

[dense violet]

just answer the question
is every machine fed just in time

then asnwer the question and don't dodge it

[hard wolf]

you're not reading my answers. you refuse to acknowledge what I have to say in favor of what you choose to believe

[hard wolf]

half of them are, and half of them aren't

[dense violet]

I don't care about the belting before hand, only the end result. That's what matters

The only people I deal with that matrix dodge questions like this are libertarians, anti vaxxers and flat earthers

then its a convoluted manifold

[hard wolf]

in that case, a balanced manifold is 50% better than a manifold and 50% worse than a load balancer

you're a brick wall and I'm done giving your nonsense my attention

an input balanced across multiple manifolds is a balanced manifold. this shouldn't be that hard to understand :/

it's primarily useful when you have more output than your belts can handle, secondarily useful when you want to minimize downtime, and a massive boon to productivity 🖤

[worn oar]

Why balance manifolds when you can overwhelm them with ingredients until they work adequately

[hard wolf]

either you're willing to let the manifold saturate (which in some cases can require letting SF run overnight for larger production lines), or need the resources ASAP. it all depends on your use case

[worn oar]

Manifold your fuel rods 😁

[hard wolf]

balance the all of the radioactive materials because it would be an OSHA violation otherwise 😭

[dense violet]

oh so I created a hybrid manifold load balancer

you see the first three machines rely on over flow but the LAST machine is always getting fed just in time to run in a balanced fashion

Isn't it amazing? every manifold is actually a hybrid loadbalancer. Who knew #1503372491341693029 message

[jovial tapir]

Ello. I have been doing trains in my save for a while now
I am aware of the 1:4 ratio. the ideal ratio of 1 locomotive to 4 freight carts
to get around this, can you attach another locomotive between them?

So have, Locomotive, 4 freight cars, Locomotive 4 freight cars and so on so forward?

I am talking about all of them attached together, rather than just separate.
and while I am on the topic of this. if you are to go down the route of this method. Do you need to set up the depos as such?
So, Station then 4 depos then station again followed by 4 depos?

I assume that the train in the middle needs a destination to go towards if it is to self drive yeah?

[dense violet]

the 1:4 thing is to be able to climb 2m ramps with 4 loaded cars. If you want to pull more than 4 loaded cars up that incline you'll need to just add more cars yes

[hard wolf]

that's not even close to what I'm talking about, but congrats on your shitty jab at the results of me fighting tooth and nail to make spaghetti organized and efficient :/

[hard wolf]

the easiest way to handle it is 1 engine to 4 cars. if you need 5 to 8 cars, add another engine and an empty platform or empty with platform with catwalk to accommodate it. if you need 9 to 12 cars, rinse and repeat

[reef basin]

That's just multiple manifolds

[dense violet]

don't engage

[hard wolf]

it's a production line balanced into multiple manifolds

[dense violet]

you won't find value in it.

[hard wolf]

you're an insufferable prick

you refuse to understand what I'm saying :/

[jovial tapir]

Pretty much all of trains are on level ground. I create suspension platforms just for them and use conveyor lifts to transport the items

[jovial tapir]

Cheers

[hard wolf]

don't jump in and sabotage me when I might have a chance to articulate my methodology to someone who might be able to understand it

[reef basin]

Well, from the POV of machines, they are still being fed by manifold(s). How those manifolds get items is irrelevant for "are machines fed by balancer or manifold" question

[dense violet]

if your rail is completely flat you could pull basically as many cars as you like on one engine

but yeah if you have 2m ramps anywhere on the line you'll want to keep to that engine/car for safety

[dense violet]

this was also covered

[jovial tapir]

Cheers

[hard wolf]

fair, but balanced manifolding can feed the backup from machines 1 through 4 to machines 5 through 8, therefore creating a more fluid input with less effort than a balanced input would require. if it's an overflow splitter before machines 1 through 4 it'll feed to 5 through 8 sooner than a conventional manifold, and if it's balanced it will saturate what would've been a conventional manifold much more evenly. it works out to producing the desired item faster, which invaluable is if that resource is required on short notice, and even more so if the belts accessible at the time can't handle the the overall output of an item (i.e. screws)

[reef basin]

It's practically the same as having each manifold separate

And usually starting more machines faster leads to longer manifold fill times

[gritty spire]

40x constructor manifold might have been the dumbest thing for my impatient self

[dense violet]

.. why? build the next stage and it'll be spun up

[gritty spire]

wdym

[dense violet]

well you build a large manifold, let resources flow, build the next section and by the time that's done the manifold will have filled up

[gritty spire]

oh brother i built it all at once and powered it up. 40 con, 12 foundry, 17 assembler

[hard wolf]

not so. the first machines of each half of the manifold will reach saturation faster than a manifold across the whole line. that's better output than a conventional manifold

[dense violet]

that's also fine
there's always something to do afterwards, and by the time you do that thing the whole system will be running

[normal orbit]

depends. feeding a manifold with 2 half belts is slower than doing it with one full belt since you start more machines faster you consume more of what you feed in so the last bit takes longer.

same if you use slower belts between the splitter to the machines vs fastest one.

now the time diffrence is not super big, but there is one

[reef basin]

But same as separate manifolds

[hard wolf]

I understand that, but the first machine in a manifold receives half of the resources fed into the rest of the line (which carries on to the rest, so machine 2 receives half of half, machine 3 receives half of half of half, and so on). the more you can spread that across a manifold, the more machines can receive the resources they need to output at 100% efficiency

in small production scenarios that might not be much, but in large production scenarios it's a number that matters, and that can help a lot for someone who wants to do more in less time

[normal orbit]

this is the reason one belt is faster than two half belts.

[reef basin]

If you are about more early production but longer saturation, you'll do that, yeah. But again, the balancer part is irrelevant

[hard wolf]

I just want to prove the concept of balanced manifolds being faster, easier, and more efficient than load balancers, but more productive than basic manifolds :/

[reef basin]

Not really sure you can

[hard wolf]

load balancers are the be all end all, but a lot of people don't want to build them. I'm trying offer an easier, more efficient option that's noob friendly and easily adoptable

[reef basin]

More machines running at start doesn't mean faster stabilisation

[hard wolf]

but 2 machines recieving an overflow of resources is better than 1

[reef basin]

The same thing as you suggested, but without the balancer part, is already easier than your suggestion and has same effect

[reef basin]

Not necessarily

[normal orbit]

its just basic math. take 100/min belt in, each machine eats 10/min. So first one splits 50/50 until the inventory fills. second gets 50 so splits 25/25, third gets 25 splits 12.5/12.5 and so on. then when first one is full the split goes 10/90, 2nd machine gets 45, third 22.5 and so on. If you split that 100/min into two. you now have to machines getting 25/min and the next two 12.5/min, next ones 6.25 etc. It takes longer to fill each machine and while they consume the machines getting less than 10/min down the line is just slowing things down.

[dense violet]

doesn't it often mean it'll take longer?

[reef basin]

Yeah it does

[dense violet]

that' what I thought

[reef basin]

I think fastest way to fill a manifold is with smart splitters (all but the last one/two), but don't quote me on that

[normal orbit]

overflow manifold fills fatest yea

[hard wolf]

I have enough experience that I'm willing to say that a balanced manifold works, but as stated before this is about the proof of concept of a balanced manifold being more efficient than just a manifold

[reef basin]

That depends how do you define "efficient"

[normal orbit]

didnt say it doesnt work. but it will get to 100% slower

[reef basin]

Because if it is "stabilises faster", then no

[hard wolf]

it would stabilize at about the same rate, and lends itself towards balancing odd numbers across a large production lines, but it would mean 2 machines reach 100% efficiency in the time 1 machine would take with a conventional manifold as in either example all of the machines would be receiving more than what they need to do so

60 into a machine that needs 30 is better than 120 into a machine that needs 30

[normal orbit]

yes and no, two machnes get to 100% faster, but they also take twice as long to fill its inventory

so going down the line, the last two machines will be much slower

[reef basin]

let's talk concrete numbers (random example I've picked):

300 items going into 30 machines each needing 10/min at a 100 stack size and belts that do at least 300/min.

If you build single manifold, it takes 1 hour and 2 minutes to stabilise
if you build three separate manifolds, it takes 47 minutes

but you don't need any balancer for that

[normal orbit]

actually more than twice as long

[hard wolf]

I believe that reinforces my point

[reef basin]

way back, I've did analysis on how a mk1 vs mk5 side belts affected total production of a manifold. It's known that lower belt tiers make the manifold stabilise longer, taking more time to fill all the machines

see #math-and-meta message

[reef basin]

read the last line. Balancer is pointless part of the three manifold setup

[normal orbit]

2x25 where each take 10/min would be net gain of 15/min, filling 100 items each would take 6m40s. If you instead feed one belt of 100/min first machine fills at 50/min, net gain 40/min, which is 2m30s. during that time machine 2 gets 25/min, net gain 15/min and gets 37.5 items in its inventory, one machine 1 is full this increases to net gain of 35/min and it now needs another 1m 51s to fill up, total time 4m21s vs 6m40s

[zenith pecan]

I have used balancers only where they make sense, nuclear, or in the case where it won't make the setup bulky (rare - but one example under each platform in the spire)

[reef basin]

and even nuclear really only makes sense if you care about radiation size

[hard wolf]

I'm specifically referring to the 1 hour and 2 minute vs 47 minute part of that message

[zenith pecan]

I do love slow belts for making the factory look alive, I learned to my cost, slow inputs on machines from faster feed belts cause their own issues.

[zenith pecan]

True, I managed a zero radiation uranium processor with the underfloor load balance of uranium ore.

[reef basin]

I'm not arguing about that one though. I'm arguing about the balancer being useless

[craggy umbra]

nuclear power has crashed my game 3 times

[normal orbit]

that math is wrong and doesnt take use rate and inventory size into account. three manifolds at 100/min is slower to fill than one at 300/min

[reef basin]

if you really want to optimise manifold fill times, best option is to not have manifolds (direct input), second best option is smaller manifolds (probably not in all cases though), but that's achievable without balancers, by grouping output machines

[hard wolf]

I'm arguing for the concept of a balanced manifold being useful, so yeah xwx

[reef basin]

that is "simulation" that assumes infinite belt speed, but is relatively accurate otherwise. It does take into account stack size and use rate

[hard wolf]

I would say that 2nd best option is balanced manifolds, and 3rd best option is smaller manifolds

[reef basin]

yeah, and my point is that it isn't 🙂

[reef basin]

balanced manifolds are smaller manifolds with extra work and same result

[zenith pecan]

Oh yeah, @reef basin , I'm not sure how best to describe, but I have had several occasions where the first tab in tools suddenly comes back named clone: null, and the content is messed up, I worked around it by just using tabs 2+

[craggy umbra]

i have a question

[dense violet]

42

[patent warren]

:D

[hard wolf]

balanced manifolds are outputs split at the end of a production line that feed into the next production line. they take (marginally) more time than conventional manifolds, but yield more resources up front, and are much more accessible than load balancers

and it's as easy as inserting mergers between sections of a manifold

[reef basin]

I had such bugreport a few months/year back, but nobody was able to provide any steps to replicate 🤔 if you manage to find something at least half reliable, I'd be happy to hear that. But most likely it's due to outdated and possibly buggy third-party lib I use, which is elevated in new Tools

[craggy umbra]

is it a bug that whenever i open a save where i'm in the range of radiation it takes about 30 seconds for the game to recognize that i have a hazmat suit and filters on and whenever i'm in the range of radiation and my game tries to save there's a 10% chance that it crashes

[normal orbit]

If you have X machines in a manifold, the fill rate on it as it works is a graph which looks like an upside down U where the amount of the belts going in is X/2 the lowest point, and X goes to infinity as thats now a load balances have have instant upstart

[reef basin]

if you remove the balancer section and instead just grab output from groups of machines, you have same setup with less effort

[reef basin]

I'm using my tool https://satisfactory.greeny.dev/machine-fill

gives you all the numbers.

(click the "I know what I am doing" button)

[zenith pecan]

Understandable, I'm not sure how it happens, just when I load up and I'm errk why is my plan messed up, I found it best to leave the wrecked tab:1 and move on, its only that tab that gets messed up.

[reef basin]

I haven't been able to replicate the issue ever, so I can't really help 🤔 unless I get to replicate it, but I'd need the steps to do so for that 🙁

[dense violet]

that's very unusual. I would say yes it's a bug

[hard wolf]

but 2 machines can output more resources faster than 1 machine. manifolds are slow. balancers are fast. balanced manifolds are right in between

[patent warren]

hm tiny question, i have a bug in wich when i slide into a regular jump pad from a 4 meter ramp i get launched like... 40 hypertube cannons far, entire map in seconds, anybody seen that too?

[craggy umbra]

i wish i had that bug lol

[reef basin]

I don't understand how balancer changes anything about it

[dense violet]

probably a weird physics thingo. Not many people use jump pads so wouldn't be surprised if it hadn't been noticed

[zenith pecan]

The only time I've seen it happen is when I create another plan or two, and tab:1 inherits data from the new ones, I don't have anything more because I really never thought on it until I had my "sporting goods" plan get completely totalled.

[hard wolf]

it allows for 2 machines to output at 100% as opposed to 1. time is a resource and balanced manifolds cut that time in half

[reef basin]

yeah all good. Just more reasons to finally finish new Tools

[patent warren]

yeah the most fun is when i put it vertical, i go past the top of the space elevator within seconds so yeah, fast

[reef basin]

and two separate manifolds do the exact same thing and don't need a balancer

[hard wolf]

you're missing the 2 machines vs 1 part

[reef basin]

which machines are we talking about?

[hard wolf]

the machines at the beginning of each manifold

[normal orbit]

greenys tool if accurate shows 1 line of 100 split into 10 machines takign 47 min to fill, splitting it into 2 takes 50 min, so slightly slower

[reef basin]

no idea what do you mean. Each manifold consists of X machines and receives Y items. Whether or not there is a balancer in front of it doesn't change anything

[normal orbit]

i get what they mean. feeding two lines vs one line. they think two machines will start up faster, which isnt true

they start up same time, but the two lines take longer to fill before it gets to next in line

#satisfactory message as per

[reef basin]

see #math-and-meta

[hard wolf]

each machine that immediately proceeds the injection from the balancer

[reef basin]

go to #math-and-meta , I've posted image

[normal trench]

Each loading station for trains should only handle double ur belt capacity right?

Nvm im stupid

Theres only going to be double ur belt capacity

[reef basin]

less than that (if you're talking about platforms, not stations)

[normal trench]

Yeah platforms

Im transporting raw resources (360 copper a minute)

[reef basin]

platforms cannot do double your belt capacity

my rule of thumb is going with single belt/pipe per platform

[normal trench]

Really? They have two inputs and outputs

Huh okay

[normal trench]

So do I split up the ore into 2 platforms then?

One for the pure node and the other for the normal

[reef basin]

but when the train docks, the platform's inputs/outputs lock for the 27 seconds of loading the train

[reef basin]

each belt into one car

[normal trench]

Huh oka

Thanks, appreciate it

[reef basin]

(though don't forget the buffers, put industrial container in front of the platform, hook it with both belts to the platform)

[normal trench]

Okay

[reef basin]

in both loading and unloading station

[normal trench]

Yep

Im shipping copper and iron over to my caterium node

Over by western beaches so im just building up infastructure

[rough crest]

Today I’m finally finishing my 3,200 plastic and rubber factory 😁😁😁

Just need to build an array of refineries another 6 times

Man these recycled recipes took a while to design correctly

Not to mention the diluted fuel

[young sentinel]

is fertile uranium bad? i guess it seems like it's better if you're trying to go for plutonium power. but not if you're not.

[fiery pewter]

Depends on the context

Like, the other recipes you're using and how many materials you have available

[young sentinel]

i have most recipes, minus like uhhh 30-ish i think. but i'm not done with stage 4. but i have completed tier 8.

i'm only missing a handful of harddrives and waiting to research them all until after unlocking some of the last tiers, since, idk how that works when you research all the hard drives but dont have access to all the tech yet

i have instant plutonium as well

[fiery pewter]

If you scan a hard drive but already have every available recipe, you'll get your hard drive back and a message showing you that you have nothing to unlock

[young sentinel]

woah i need to hear it

[fiery pewter]

afaik there should be enough hard drives on the map, with the +6 inventory slots included

[ashen epoch]

Are hard drives finite?

[reef basin]

no recipe is purely "good" or "bad"

it always depends on context, goals, and other recipes

[reef basin]

technically no

[ashen epoch]

How so

[reef basin]

you can buy them

but even if you couldn't, you have more than you need

[ashen epoch]

Oh really?

Yeah that's great

[rough crest]

idk i really need a good nuclear guide video or smt tbf

my oil power still has a lot of margin but i want to build nuclear as well

[mortal ginkgo]

Fertile Uranium is something almost the whole community agrees: Bad.

It uses more uranium just to let you make more plutonium. However, it is a net power loss because you also lose ability to make more uranium fuel rods.

[dense violet]

there's also more hard drives on the map than recipes so you never need to buy them

[dense violet]

what do you need a guide about speicifically? it's not so different than any other system

[young sentinel]

i am new to nuclear.
so i looked into it, and, i believe i am correct.
you go with fertile uranium alt to maximize your plutonium output.

[reef basin]

almost whole community = small vocal majority (and people who repeat points without looking into it)

[reef basin]

yeah, it's used to make more plut rods

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, you are free to believe that yourself.

[reef basin]

I don't need to believe, the facts don't change

[mortal ginkgo]

Correct. It is used for more pluto rods while sacrificing power and ability to make more uranium rods. However it is still a net power loss.

[mortal ginkgo]

Your opinion is not a fact.

[minor rock]

GPT would settle this debate very quickly.

[reef basin]

so it's only bad if you are looking at it through "net power" lens 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

omg AI bro arrived

[minor rock]

Maybe I ask my chatbot who is right?

[reef basin]

and wrongly

[reef basin]

the fact is you're saying "bad" without specifying what parameter you optimise for

[mortal ginkgo]

A power generator is meant to make power.

If a recipe is not allowing max output of power, it is a power loss.

[young sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/live/cX96rArOiTw?si=1nxlytXbZGczWXFV

^relevant

[reef basin]

plut fuel rod is not meant to only make power

it's also vehicle fuel

[dense violet]

but you also get fewer ores to make uranium rods

[leaden turret]

#off-topic-media

[mighty furnace]

Is there a way to join a server without the other person being online? (can you transfer server ownership etc?)

[mortal ginkgo]

If you need it for fuel*, there is something else is going wrong. You are trying to justify your own "fact" while having problems in somewhere else to solve it.

[reef basin]

I'm trying to not lock to a single point of view of a single factory I imagine, but be open to other uses that people regularly do

[minor rock]

When we get an ai chatbot in game, these types of pesky questions wont need to be asked and bloat the discord chat. Since they'll be answered properly in game. Also helps to keep the immersion

[dense violet]

well like any system you need a goal, then make a plan like so https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=byYwoZnsEDBL40au5BhW

[reef basin]

honestly, if you're trolling it's not funny
if you're legit, you really need to rethink your life

[mortal ginkgo]

You are free to be open to use fertile recipe. However it is still wrong to do so. And while you don't believe it, "fertile uranium" is mostly considered a bad recipe.

[reef basin]

people repeating points they read in subjective articles doesn't mean that majority of people has done the research

[minor rock]

Whats wrong about wanting an ai feature though 🤔 everywhere else got one but us gamers

[reef basin]

the same thing that is wrong with AI feature everywhere else. It can be confidently right as well as confidently wrong

[mighty furnace]

Is there a way to join a server without the other person being online? (can you transfer server ownership etc?)

[dense violet]

you mean hack someone's property?

[reef basin]

don't repeat questions, one is enough. #1038092680493801533 would probably be better place to ask questions anyway, you get your own thread

and no, the hosting person needs to host the save. They can obviously pass the save so that you host it instead

[mighty furnace]

Me and my friend started a world - I want to continue building but they are on a different time I cant join without them what do I do?

[reef basin]

ask them to send the save over... as I said

[dense violet]

trade saves back and forth?

[young sentinel]

i’ll do the calculations later to see how it works out but i assume you’re correct anyway

[dense violet]

what is your goal with plutonium?

are you looking for more power? more fuel for drones and trucks?

[young sentinel]

only to sink it until i clear tier 9

[reef basin]

yeah that's way better way to approach it than "X is bad, no need for context"

[dense violet]

then why make more? just use the base recipes

[mortal ginkgo]

Fertile Recipe, is not used by anyone, because:

• Plut Rods are used for sinking since Fisco Rod is a big investment.
• Uranium Rods can be used more by simply not using fertile recipe.
• Making Plut Rods more is not important because it is a NET power loss.
• Exchanging Uranium Waste to Plut Waste is not important, because Fisco Rods exist.

The only and ONLY reason fertile recipe would be good is if Pluto Rod would NOT be sinkable and I am sure at some point of game development, they were not (because it was an easy way to get rid of uranium waste).

However regardless of the lowest amount of waste to store (even for 10k hour of gameplay), people just dont like the timer on it regardless of how small it is. It is like a problem of "Imagine being immortal but a snail can kill you if it can touch you."

On top of them, with 1.0, Fisco Rod arrived, which cleans out the waste problem (albeit its a huge invenstment factory wise).

[dense violet]

the main two things to consider when trying to figure out if ANY recipe is good or bad for your situation is your goal and what you're willing to use for it.

with that any recipe can be good or bad for your project

[reef basin]

Making Plut Rods more is not important because it is a NET power loss.
making plut rods is important when used as vehicle fuel

[dense violet]

now if your goal was something like 'make the most Ficsonium rods I can' (for whatever reason) you'd probably look into using Fertile recipe

[mortal ginkgo]

Again, I am not going to play with your dodging that you do as usual. Plut Rod is not a must to be used as fuel as Rocket Fuel is ridiculously cheap and easy to make.

[glacial totem]

is there a key you can press to clone an item? I saw it in a video but it might have been a mod

[mortal ginkgo]

I can use Coal as Vehicle Fuel as well.

I can also not use any vehicle at all.

[dense violet]

middle mouse button to eyedrop?

[glacial totem]

I'm trying to clone a sign and not have to write out the txt and pick the icon etc

[dense violet]

oh you can ctrl c the settings

then ctrl v

[reef basin]

well, you're once again basically saying "your argument is invalid because of my preferences", which basically just confirms what I'm saying 🤷

[mortal ginkgo]

Again, you are creating problems to justify your opinion, it never worked, and not working here either.

Fertile Recipe is simply, bad and the least discussed topic.

[dense violet]

as far as I can tell that is standard for them for basically everything

[glacial totem]

Nah this is it. Thanks

[mortal ginkgo]

You are dodging the issue by stating the arguement is wrong, but you are wrong on that aswell.

Again, Vehicles are not a MUST in this game. Therefore your opinion is hardly a fact.

people can finish the game with mk1 belts.

[dense violet]

I wouldn't be surprised if they decided that the colour Red is objectively the best colour

[dense violet]

I don't believe eyedropping keeps the sign settings. Just gives you option to build the same object

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, you are free to disagree. But can never be correct about fertile recipe.

Fertile recipe is bad as a fact.

[coral glacier]

Heya Greeny!

[reef basin]

well, the statement is wrong

yes, fertile leads to less net power

but that makes it only bad if net power is what you're after (which you may not be)

[coral glacier]

Oh, and cobalt :D

[glacial totem]

It's working and I won't argue

[mortal ginkgo]

People uses power generators, shocking as a reality as it might be for you; for power.

[dense violet]

That's ok... I was ... just sitting over here 🥹

[mortal ginkgo]

Nuclear Power Plant is there to make power.

[reef basin]

shockingly, we're not talking about plut rods in fuel gens

[coral glacier]

You are amazing, an awesome human being :D👍

[mortal ginkgo]

When I mean Fuel Generators, I mean it as a term.

[reef basin]

we're talking about recipe to make plut rods. What the person does with them is a completely different thing

[mortal ginkgo]

Shockingly, you could understand it, and you probably did. Yet you dodged the issue again.

[young sentinel]

my zoning doesnt use a lot of vehicles and i’m still building my train network.
got some drones though.

[reef basin]

I can be making plut rods to sink them to get more points. Fertile is for me

[mortal ginkgo]

He wasn't asking "how to make plut rods more". If that was the question, I would tell him to go use THAT recipe.

[reef basin]

the question was "is fertile bad", to which the answer is "depends"

[dense violet]

they are tied fastest fuel for drones 🙂 and youre essentially useing garbage as fuel with p rods, so its win win really

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats very kinky. I hope you use alot of other vehicles with 1.2 .

Trucks and tractors are really good now.

[mortal ginkgo]

It doesn't depent. ıt is simply bad.

The answer is, "Yes, it is bad."

[reef basin]

it is good, when used for sink points or vehicle fuel

[minor rock]

Yea it's not that hard to understand. GPT told me the truth in an overview again. Wonder how long it will take for you to decide who is right here. AI told me in under a second. That is efficient and precise

[dense violet]

Hey greeny, did you know Coke Steel is objectively a shit recipe?
That's because I don't like oil products

[reef basin]

and wrong

[coral glacier]

I wish there was an alternate map that was all water, but where the ore deposites are, they're pillars that have risen from the ocean floor.

[dense violet]

prob a mod like that. Or similar with a few mods

I think there's a lava map?

[coral glacier]

OR!
and hear me out.

A flat map

[dense violet]

pprrreeeetty sure there's a mod for that

[coral glacier]

Ah fiddlesticks.

[dense violet]

why? it's what you want isn't it xD

[minor rock]

Nah we need the map editor tools in the world, so we can terraform it

[dense violet]

it has been an entire day of this as far as I can tell. A real time.

[fiery pewter]

Isn't the map handmade

[minor rock]

Ill get gpt working on a solution, my company gives me infinity tokens, might take a while

[mortal ginkgo]

He wasn't asking about if he can sink it or use it as vehicle fuel. You are adding your own extra justification to prove the recipe being usable. But it isn't.

[coral glacier]

Idk, lol, my brain is on loading since it's 2 am for me 🫠

[gritty spire]

is the dimensional depot item cap stackable with multiple depots?

[minor rock]

No

[dense violet]

no that just increases upload

[coral glacier]

Though i did hear that there is a pocket dimension mod 👀

[dense violet]

Look, it's mods, there might be one where you can fart dragons out your butt

[coral glacier]

What the

[dense violet]

people do weird thigns with mods
Can almost guarantee theres one like that for skyrim

[reef basin]

he wasn't asking about nuclear plants either

is fertile uranium bad? i guess it seems like it's better if you're trying to go for plutonium power. but not if you're not.
the question pretty clearly states that they think the same as me and just asking for validation

[fiery pewter]

Guys can we bring natural selection back to human evolution

[mortal ginkgo]

Just to give you a final answer before I go to work:

• You can use the fertile uranium recipe if you really yolo pluto fuel rods.
• Using "all uranium in default game mode" with that recipe is a 50GW power loss.

If you are not going ultra yolo late game power, you can ignore such a loss.
If you are also aiming to focus on making fisco rods, you can use the recipe again.

In the end it is ok to use it, but majority agrees that, making Uranium Fuel Rods by not spending uranium in that alt recipe and sinking pluto rods is simply the easier solution to all of it.

Yolo. Do whatcha want. ❤️

[dense violet]

it'll slowly work through the ways

[reef basin]

no, depots are just uploaders

[coral glacier]

Most sane Satisfactory player appearance alteration mod be like:

[minor rock]

We need romantic interests in game. That alpha hog be looking fine

[fiery pewter]

I'd like a bammer as end game reward

[minor rock]

Bodypillow, merch, anything we can get

[fiery pewter]

Alright what the fuck is wrong with you

[minor rock]

Huh ?

[coral glacier]

Why have a romantic interest when you can:

Harvest a Planet for the Almighty FICSIT Corporation.

[minor rock]

I wust think the hog is a cutie

[coral glacier]

You have odd taste

I prefer the spitters myself /j

[fiery pewter]

Odd is putting it lightly

[minor rock]

Yea wont deny that, havent been able to find the right satisfactory bodypillows on aliexpress

Might have to get a custom one made

[coral glacier]

But honestly, if i could actually tame a real life Spitter, that would be so useful to study it's biology for advancements in medicine and bio-tech.

Oh no, am i turning into a FICSIT business man?

And just to have as a pet and as a weird horse to ride around on 🤣

"Lookey at what i got!"

"Why have a regular horse when you have a acid/flame-spitting alien deer!"

Seems no-one is chatting

Chat Revival Method go brr:

[ember hatch]

Romantic pursuits of alien megafauna means decreased pioneer productivity

[coral glacier]

We know about the Elevated one...

But....

What about the Deflated One?

[ember hatch]

(Unacceptable)

[coral glacier]

Recursive One?

[leaden turret]

blobfish bean

[coral glacier]

But Marv!

The Shark :(

[leaden turret]

land lake shark got removed

[coral glacier]

Lake*

:P

[leaden turret]

that too

[coral glacier]

XD

But why? It was so cool.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> jeff the shark dlc, when?

[coral glacier]

Swimming underwater update when?

[fiery pewter]

Wasn't that just a Alpha spitter walking underwater

[leaden turret]

nope

[fiery pewter]

Damn

Was it before U8?

[leaden turret]

removed in update 3

[fiery pewter]

Ah

Yeah no I've been around since U8

[wet moon]

Its not like AVA likes us

Hmm

Highkey there should be boats in the ganr

Already lots of oceans around, why not make boats to traverse them

Ontop of that, i dont like how theres no drone vehicle for us the travel on

[wraith magnet]

How many power plants can a coal deposit power

[frozen ingot]

it depends on the purity of the node and belt speed etc - i would encourage you to check the info for the miner speed and the coal gen itself because the game does a good job of telling you all the numbers you need

[wraith magnet]

Okay I will do that thanks bruv

[frozen ingot]

get ready to do a little arithmetic 😄

[thick cave]

Q: Should I go on full rocket fuel for power or nuclear?

[reef basin]

A: pick one that you like, there's no generic answer

[patent warren]

are 96 pressure conversion cubes per minute enough for a playthrough, where all goals are times 10?

or do i need more?

[restive umbra]

Yes

[patent warren]

and where tf do i get all the copper to turn it into nuclear pasta

[restive umbra]

From the ground

[wraith magnet]

Okay I rebuilt my power plant and it’s lookin clean and productive

[thick cave]

which one

[restive umbra]

Both

[reef basin]

basically depends on how long you are fine to wait until it is produced

[patent warren]

forever

its a always on server

[reef basin]

if you're fine with waiting forever, then any number is fine 😛

[patent warren]

im good with 96

[reef basin]

then do that 🤷

[patent warren]

just need to have the fun of finding a lot a lot of copper

hahahaha

[ornate saffron]

Copper alloy can help

[patent warren]

hm i know

i need 120k per minute !, holy shit

im dead

[dense violet]

make ... less?

[patent warren]

good idea

im just sinking all of the pressure conversion cubes and only using 2

;D

[frozen ingot]

there's a few spots on the map with dense copper nodes, like three normals or more

i've always found those plus pure ingot recipe to be fine for nuclear pasta. but I've never done a big build either

i really must try a 10x project parts run or something next 😄

[patent warren]

well i just have a ugly ass cube floating arround over a forest, that produces pressure conversion cubes, 96 per minute and it looks horrible

:D

[frozen ingot]

sounds like most of my factories

i am not good at the aesthetics side of this game 😄

[ornate saffron]

Me neither, im on playthrough 8 and forcing myself to make things aestheticly pleasing before moving on

[thick cave]

long live spagetti belts

[quick hound]

long live spaghetti belts

[thick cave]

yes

[lament skiff]

I wish there was a way to have a sensor on a conveyor that detects if it's full and sends a signal to a merger/splitter to stop putting that resource on the main belt

[tall lantern]

that just sounds like a smart splitter

[lament skiff]

I don't have enough space to make separate belts for every resource to funnel into a dimensional storage, so I have to use a mixed belt and split from there

Problem is, if one of the storages fills, the rest of the line will be blocked

I can funnel out the overflow, but I can't cycle it back into the storage it came from

If I could tell one of the mergers to stop merging the resource upon receiving the signal from such a sensor, that'd be the fix to this problem

But the Priority Merger doesn't work that way unfortunately

The only sensor I know is the one that counts belt throughput, but it can't do anything else

[earnest condor]

No, because Overflow gets routed to the Sink.

[lament skiff]

That will empty my storage

Which I don't want

The dimensional storage has a small cap

[ornate saffron]

You put the smart splitter before the storage

[earnest condor]

No, because OVERFLOW gets routed to the Sink.
Overflow occurs only when Storage is full.

You take from Storage, there is no Overflow until Storage is refilled. Then Overflow gets routed to the Sink.

[lament skiff]

Thing is, all the belt output to the dimensional storage is taken directly from the industrial storage, not from the input to that industrial storage

If the dimensional storage fills, overflow will keep getting destroyed until my actual storage is empty

[earnest condor]

Which is why your smarts are before the ISCs.

[lament skiff]

Yeah, can't do that. Space constraints

[earnest condor]

Looks upwards. Sees 2km of free vertical space.

[lament skiff]

I built the entire storage floor before I actually got to the dimensional tech, so it isn't built for such changes

[earnest condor]

Time to rebuild.

[ornate saffron]

Smart splitter to industrial storage theb industrial storage to depot. If depot is full industrial fills. If industrial is full overflow takes over

[lament skiff]

I have an extremely complex web of conveyors to sort over 50 resource types from multiple factories including the central one

[earnest condor]

And?

[lament skiff]

Can't just disassemble it lol

[earnest condor]

You can. You just don't want to.

[lament skiff]

Honestly, I don't even know how it all even works anymore

[earnest condor]

Then it is definitely time to rebuild.

[ornate saffron]

Sounds like you painted yourself into a corner. You either continue as you are or attempt to ficsit

[lament skiff]

More of a bandaid solution but I guess I'll sacrifice the walkable space for separate belts to the dimensional storage

[earnest condor]

🤦‍♂️

[ornate saffron]

You have roughly 2000 km of airspace. You can go up too

[lament skiff]

I literally cannot rebuild this floor. Below it are even more belt systems and above are the manufacturer rows

Everything is linked together

[earnest condor]

You literally can.
You just don't want to.

[ornate saffron]

Shunt belts to the outside and build more is the easy fix.

[native tapir]

I mean....

You can go a lot higher

[mortal ginkgo]

No. Stop where you are.

Stop THIS instant.

[earnest condor]

Cue Taio Cruz song.

[mortal ginkgo]

I wish we could have clouds further below so havig a tower passing through coulds would be very kinky

[lament skiff]

Also, I wish conveyor wall mounts could attach to storage containers

That'd make life much easier

[mortal ginkgo]

They can?

[lament skiff]

They can't

It doesn't register as an attachment point

[mortal ginkgo]

you can align it so a direct belt can be insterted?

[lament skiff]

Yeah but it's tricky

With wall mounts you can be a lot more precise

[simple pebble]

Doug's glitched belts would certainly solve this problem

[native tapir]

Patched

They patched pretty much everything

[simple pebble]

Alas

[native tapir]

per chance

[earnest condor]

They patch so you are driven to find more 😏

[lament skiff]

#screenshots message

I managed to do it with separate belts

[quick hound]

i’m gonna eat your plastic

[lament skiff]

Well, I have about 2 industrial storages full of it

So much that my oil refinery is on pause lol

[quick hound]

LETS GO! TURTLE TIME! chomp

[lament skiff]

Bruh what is the alien power augmenter

Generates power from nothing lol

[quick hound]

It’s fuckin’ goated

[lament skiff]

Also, I really need to make a spreadsheet of every resource I produce to count excess and shortage... My chain of factories is getting way too complex to remember everything

[sharp compass]

can you build on the ocean outside of the swamp?

[quick hound]

ha! Nerd.

[quick hound]

To an extent

[sharp compass]

is the limit what i see on the online map

or is there a soft limit

[native tapir]

It generates 500mw and gives a multiplier to your power on the same grid

[lament skiff]

I have 4000MW on the grid

[quick hound]

more.

[native tapir]

There is a "soft" killzone where you lose 5hp/second and then a hard killzone where you die immediately

[lament skiff]

Oh and I also have a power room now #screenshots message

[native tapir]

@sharp compass some guys (amazing, incredible, geniuses) made a video that will help explain it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wFL6FuH4Y4&t=84s

[lament skiff]

Producers on the right and consumers on the left

I can turn the entire central factory off whilst keeping the others on

Took me hours to route all the wires though

I wish there were smaller lights available

For small rooms

[sharp compass]

thank you

[frozen ingot]

that is going to be one of my next challenges for sure 😄

probably alongside a project parts multiplier challenge (for all that extra time)

might do it it multiplayer too if i can find some other players who are good at aesthetics who would want to join

[mortal ginkgo]

Guys can I ask something? Why is Gold Cart recipe asking for caterium ingot?

Shouldnt it ask for gold ingot?

Is ficsit noob? Is this a game bug? Answer with haste please.

[thick cave]

bc caterium looks like gold
also gold would delay your promotion by item value * ficist stock value

[mortal ginkgo]

are you saying caterium looks like gold, act like gold, feel like gold, but not gold?

I dont understand you. You are not making sense. Reporting you to mods as we speak!

[thick cave]

Basically, even ava says it " a viable alternative to gold in industrial applications, specifically in advanced electronics due to its superconductivity, malleability, and corrosion resistance" and will serve as a suitable replacement, due to the lack of gold in your sector"

[primal obsidian]

the problem was that one resource wasnt being consumed fast enough and clogging the belt

[frozen ingot]

you dress your belts? 😮

[mortal ginkgo]

should have said "catereun cart" in recipe

yes it is a new word

[thick cave]

cloging*

[primal obsidian]

yeah, wouldn’t want naked belts

[thick cave]

nahhhh ficsit want's to charge you for the gold that you don't have

[primal obsidian]

Bruh you spelt it wrong aswell

Guh

[thick cave]

And? I might be illeterate/dysletic, but i'll at least save all the puppies and kittens faster than you

[mortal ginkgo]

cloing*

you domb people are both w0ng

[primal obsidian]

but I already did that

[thick cave]

I did it without even using nuke power

[frozen ingot]

let me guess... rocket fuel? 😄

[primal obsidian]

well did you use turbo fuel

I didn’t

[thick cave]

no

[thick cave]

pure coal actually

[primal obsidian]

Blasphemy

[thick cave]

its real

[primal obsidian]

yo I think I impersonated you at some point

[dense violet]

yes you need an over flow to sink at least until it stabalises

[primal obsidian]

I think I was doing that

dunno why it didn’t work

[dense violet]

if you had it woulndn't have clogged :\

[primal obsidian]

I just took it down

[dense violet]

if you want to set up a #1038092680493801533 with images?

ah
well next time every splitter that feeds an input is smart
to input is ITEM
forward is OVERFLOW
last splitter forward OVERFLOW to sink

should be impossible to clog unless the sink is off

or you put something unsinkable in I guess

[primal obsidian]

it might still be there o but I can’t check not at home

[dense violet]

yeah no rush, if you do check and it's still up later feel free to ping me in a #1038092680493801533 post

[primal obsidian]

it’s not really some essential infrastructure it just makes a very small amount of supercomputers

[dense violet]

no but you still want your systems to work right?
and figuring out how to do sushi properly can be really useful 🙂

I really like cutting back the number of belts I need to allocate

[thick cave]

speaking of supercomputer.... I really should setup my supercomputers and radio control units factory

and cooling systems

and heat sinks

[earnest condor]

OC Supers my beloved.

[thick cave]

and turbomotors

and fused modular frams

and then
i can finally setup nuke power
IF I WANTED TO BE A LOSER
im setting up a nuke nobelisk factory

[primal obsidian]

bruh are you just gonna use coal

[thick cave]

Yes

[primal obsidian]

damn thats some dedication

[thick cave]

those coal mines are gonna be overclocked

[abstract locust]

would a sushi belt be viable for a centralized storage? or is that not optimal end game

[zenith quartz]

does the conveyer belt bends slow the speed or is it just visual

[abstract locust]

visual

[zenith quartz]

my eyes dont lie to me

[abstract locust]

if u hover over the conveyor items the white boarder is where the item actually is to my understanding

[frozen ingot]

you shipped phase 5 using only coal power? 🤔

or did i miss something

[earnest condor]

They are viable for everything.

[zenith quartz]

i got an alternative recepie for reinforced plates but to power it at base 100% i need 250screws/min and i only have mk2 belts so should i just use the original recepie?

or should i use new recepie at like 50%

[frozen ingot]

is there a good guide for sushi belts

only tried them like twice

[zenith quartz]

mmm sushi

[frozen ingot]

always found them kinda fiddly. Does the priority merger make them easier now?

[earnest condor]

It me. I am guide.

And there is no need for priority mergers.

[dense violet]

sure. But central storages aren't mechanically very useful

[earnest condor]

I have an entire portfolio of designs if you want to see the layouts you can do with sushi.

[earnest condor]

*anymore

Rip what 1.0 stole from us 😭

[dense violet]

up to you - most recipe you get synergise with each other
for example Steel Screw would pair well with that as it outputs crazy amounts from one machine

[zenith quartz]

i found it less efficient

[dense violet]

I honestly couldn't be bothered with them pre 1.0 either

a central storage could be quite far awy from where you're building anyway and could be further than the factories making the items you could hit in a hyper tube quickly
and the build/planning time would completely eat away at any possible time savinngs

[abstract locust]

no they arent but theyre cool

[zenith quartz]

well, atleast now i have a proper reinforced plate factory

[dense violet]

Bolted Plate uses a little more iron/coal but is EXTREMELY compact. Which is nice

[earnest condor]

Made it easier to deliver building materials to outpost sites.

[dense violet]

... eh.. I'd rather build almost anything else

[zenith quartz]

i just discovered coal so

[dense violet]

eeeehhhhhhhhh...... a train line hitting your factories would do just as well

[zenith quartz]

i dont have that recepie anyways

[earnest condor]

Stop h8ing on good design.

[dense violet]

oh sure, but I'm giving you examples of ways to synergise recipes 🙂

[abstract locust]

how do i set a smart splitter to blacklist one item?

[dense violet]

most recipes greatly benefit with how you combo them

[dense violet]

you don't

[earnest condor]

You can't. They do the exact opposite function.

[zenith quartz]

if u guys know too much

[earnest condor]

So you can kick that one item to a different belt. But that's about it.

[zenith quartz]

how do i make 1 billion dollars

[earnest condor]

Be born to a different family.

[abstract locust]

yes lol i want one side to be white listed with a black list said item on the middle output

ig not possible?

i could js loop the belt

but thats no fun

[zenith quartz]

not possible i can only be born once

[dense violet]

nope. I can'ta even think of what kind of design you're doing that would require that

[earnest condor]

So put the 1 item you don't want to that middle belt and set the side to AnyUndef.

[dense violet]

what are you trying to do exactly?

[abstract locust]

sending ss in screenshots

[earnest condor]

????????

Did I not just explain how to do it? 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[abstract locust]

oh didnt see

[zenith quartz]

does anyone have fun facts about this game

[dense violet]

#math-and-meta can't talk in screen shots

but I'm more curious what you're trying to do

[earnest condor]

You can't blacklist in a vacuum, but if you want a black belt and a white belt that is entirely possible.

[tranquil bolt]

OF

[thick cave]

i'll try

[mortal ginkgo]

We got nothing to do with each other. You think pure nodes are brothers.

You mean nothing to me.

Get bonked.

[primal obsidian]

huh

im not even impersonating you anymore

[frozen ingot]

i vaguely remember some of your blueprints - would be curious to see your designs yeah 🙂

[earnest condor]

Gimme 15 to grab food then I gotchu.

[frozen ingot]

np, whenever you have time - thanks 🙂

[languid flower]

stupid question, but how do I switch ammo types in my rebar gun?

[dense violet]

hold R

[languid flower]

TYSM

[runic musk]

can you zoom out or smth in this when building ?

[dense violet]

you can use photomode to a degree to look at what's going on?

[runic musk]

how ?

[dense violet]

but I don't think you can build at the same time

press P

[frozen ingot]

i wouldn't recommend it 🤣

[languid flower]

I think I'm in love with explosive rebar!

[frozen ingot]

it won't love you back 😛

[languid flower]

lol

it seems so effective against those annoying nlittle spiders

[zenith quartz]

do u guys overclock anything besides the miners?

idk if i should overclock the coal generator

[dense violet]

the only thing that over clocking non miners/extractors do is save space

so if you have the shards for it? sure.

but especially early on prob a good idea to save them

it's also easier on the maths if you don't have much experience building everything

to just let everything be at 100%

[zenith quartz]

1005%

why does ada like the animals more than me

[trim sundial]

You think we will ever get something like output for dimensional storage or would that really break the game? It would be neat to have like one factory making basic parts that feeds into dimensional storage, then another factory with output dimensonal storage somewhere else for assemblers and or manufacturors.

[mystic sonnet]

Yo guys, thank you for answering my questions yesterday. I found out why I feel like not starting again, because I didn't do a new thing in a while. I opened Wifi storage then organized my factory. Thank you!

[dense violet]

that exists. They are called Drones

[trim sundial]

Oh, didnt know that lol. I havent made it to that tier yet lol

[mystic sonnet]

I posted a pick but I can't link it here

[cosmic junco]

if you want that you can use the mod that does that

[dense violet]

or use drones.

they are just teleporters essentially

[cosmic junco]

i personally wouldn't use such a mod because the point of the dimentional depot is to make building easier, not to teleport resources across the map without effort

drones or trains, or even trucks/tractors

[fluid sapphire]

once you remove logistics from the game, whats left really?

[cosmic junco]

yeah, you'd take away a huge part of what makes the game fun lol

[earnest condor]

pew pew

[earnest condor]

I would not be surprised at all if they added it in a later update.

[mystic sonnet]

It kills the fun of trains

[earnest condor]

Trucks my beloved.

[fluid sapphire]

its never gonna happen

[cosmic junco]

there's actually a mod called "no logistics at all" which magically teleports everything to where it needs to go, why anyone would want that except in a very niche circumstance i have no idea

[earnest condor]

Blueprints were "never gonna happen."

[fluid sapphire]

false equivalence

[earnest condor]

The ACTUAL fuck?

Perfect equivalence = false equivalence now?

[fluid sapphire]

blueprints dont run counter to the game's design

[earnest condor]

Blueprints were said never going to happen.
They happened.

Can automatically be equated to everything else stated to "never happen."
This is not complicated logic.

[fluid sapphire]

your error is assuming that i am referring something they specifically said would never happen

[earnest condor]

Either your word means something, or anything is subject to change at any time.

[fluid sapphire]

i am saying, myself, this will never happen

[mystic sonnet]

You guys should just exchance the nicknames

[leaden turret]

have you met people?

[earnest condor]

Because 1.0 randomly changed the entire tone of the game.

[fluid sapphire]

just because you cant make sense of something, does not mean its random

[earnest condor]

🤔

[leaden turret]

XKCD-386 strikes again

[fluid sapphire]

whats random about it?

all i ask is for some elaboration, that i never get xd

[earnest condor]

True. I'm out.

[fluid sapphire]

lol

[hoary rose]

For nuclear power should I be useing mk1 pipe or mk2 pipes

[earnest condor]

How much water are you moving per pipe?

[hoary rose]

About 300

[earnest condor]

Over or under?

[hoary rose]

To 240

[earnest condor]

If 240-300, just use mk1s.

[hoary rose]

Ok

[fluid sapphire]

either one will work fine

[tranquil bolt]

Does anyone know of some good videos for nuclear power? Or a very detailed write up would also work

[earnest condor]

If 301+, use mk2s.

[hoary rose]

Alright

Thanks for the help

[dense violet]

most tutorial vids on youtube aren't very good honestly.
what do yo uwant to know specifically? it's really not much different than any other system

[tranquil bolt]

Well im tryna get started on it as ive beat the game and im just playin around now, just not sure how to really get started on it or what i need or best way to do it

[dense violet]

well like the rest of hte game 'best' is up to how you like to do things 🙂

imo I would design the fuel rods to be completely independent from every other system in the game. So nothing can interfere with the processes .

And use a good plan like this to start things off https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=4yC0uRjCa4wHGEcF0DAo

[trim sundial]

Im just about to finish tier 5 and 6. I struggle with the logistics of feeding stuff into the space elevator so i have 5-6 manufacturs that arnt belt fed or anything and ive just been manually feeding the materials for the project parts into it and then letting the manufacts belt feed into the space elevator. I have all of the "two part" materials automated and fed into dimensonal storage depots, i wonder if anyone else does this.

[dense violet]

hand or storage feeding space parts is pretty normal

you also don't need to belt feed the elevator. Just hand cram it

[dense violet]

once you unlock everything and create permanent dedicated factories after phase 5 using a good planer like this and keeping notes will help a lot https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[trim sundial]

I have broken myself of one habit i had when i started playing. I felt the need to try and build small tiny effecient factories but i drove myself crazy doing it. The factory i have now is monsterous in size but i dont feel claustrophobic lol.

[earnest condor]

Compact building is life!

[trim sundial]

Yeah, i think im going to need a planner for the last tiers, i hear it gets exponentially more complicated

[fluid sapphire]

my modular setup looks like this, broke it down into pieces to make it more manageable, but yeah, dont copy this exactly, there are a lot of ways you can do it, optimizing for different resources (the plutonium rods get sinked)#screenshots message

[mystic sonnet]

hey after opening somersloop doubling i got more than 300 powershards, where do you guys usally use your shards ?

[frozen ingot]

miners and water extractors

[earnest condor]

In every single building I make.

[frozen ingot]

the latter because i hate how they look 🤣

oh, and someslooped machines

[mystic sonnet]

Dude they dont snap I hate it

[frozen ingot]

that's about it

[earnest condor]

Water Extractors not being nudgeable is a crime.

[frozen ingot]

that too 😄 they're a bit fiddly, but i don't like the aesthetic. Lately i'm in the habit of always overclocking them

[tranquil bolt]

This is super f’ing complicated lmao

[tranquil bolt]

Its a 100% war crime

[dense violet]

try out the link. You may have to turn off SAM ore for things as it likes using it for conversion, but it's VERY good

save the links in a spread sheet and keep notes there

[earnest condor]

War Crimes? Is this RimWorld? 👀

[tranquil bolt]

War against pioneers

[leaden turret]

they snap to foundations

[tranquil bolt]

Just the man putting us hard working folks down once again

[earnest condor]

They also snap to Junctions.

[leaden turret]

ICC/ICJ doesn't have jurisdiction in space

[fluid sapphire]

well, i prefer it like this, i find its worse if its all in a single tab

none of the individual components are complex

[tranquil bolt]

No youre draw out is good. I mean nuclear is too complex for my small town, country bumpkin brain to handle

[trim sundial]

I feel like i should put things into context, i am playing on the experimental version and i chose to have my resources all randomized and i feel i got luck with having 90% of the base resources within the grass lands so its been abit easier to manage for a newbie like me lol. This isnt my first map, i have probably like 30+ hours in a vanilla map.

[fluid sapphire]

you can do it, once you dig in its not that bad, it took me a couple hours to slap this plan together, its not exactly a 5 minute effort

[dense violet]

all the starting zones in regular maps have all the basic resources you need >.>

[frozen ingot]

i'm finally tackling nuclear power after like 800 hours lol

(not all in one save!) like six at least. Trying to break it down into manageable chunks

[tranquil bolt]

I “finished” the game off pure luck and best guesses of how much of every product i needed and always came up short and had to make more factorys lol. I never math’d anything out. Ill give it a whirl but im not sure i can handle that

[trim sundial]

What i meant is i started with iron, copper, caterium, some oil, bauxite, coal,SAM,sulphur and quartz. I shouldnt have said "basic" lol

[fluid sapphire]

use a planner like sftools, i couldnt get anything done without one

[mystic sonnet]

hey guys, i just got diluted fuel, and recycled recipes. They seem kinda OP. Do you guys use these ?

[fluid sapphire]

diluted fuel and HOR are basically mandatory for most oil setups

[dense violet]

if you are doing large set ups that need lots of oil products? sure

but there is also tons of oil on the map so if you want to avoid complexity and aren't building huge you can avoid them

[frozen ingot]

resource wise they are very strong yes, i use them all the time 😄

diluted packaged fuel in tier 5 is fantastic

but also what Cobalt just said, if you'd rather reduce complexity, there is quite a lot of oil on the map, and it depends on what scale you want to build at

[mystic sonnet]

Should I ever use oil just to generate power _

It seems very unnecessary, even when I use the excess diluted from rubber and plastic, it makes me nice amount of energy

I see some people do it, is it necessary when you are building very big factories ?

[dense violet]

you can skip fuel power to nuclear if you want

[mystic sonnet]

Hell no, coal is gay

[dense violet]

?

so you don't want to use coal OR fuel?

[teal juniper]

my brain hurts from trying to understand this is that normal ?

[dense violet]

no, most people just use coal

[mystic sonnet]

No no, what I mean is, after I generate plastic and rubber, there is diluted fuel

I take that to generate fuel, then use it as energy

Not like oil => directly all to fuel

[dense violet]

you could turn it to coke instead and sink it

[teal juniper]

wait so u use fuel to make fuel ?

[mystic sonnet]

I am new I am sorry, wait a minute

[dense violet]

oil generally isn't used as a 'fuel' , and Fuel is actually the name of a specific item

you can make Fuel (the item) from Oil if you want

[mystic sonnet]

oil to plastic which generated heavy residue, then heavy residue to fuel

[dense violet]

sure, but if you don't want to burn it, turn it to coke instead and sink it.

[teal juniper]

i havent even played the game lol

[mystic sonnet]

You guys misunderstood me

[teal juniper]

aaaah alr

[mystic sonnet]

I am using oil to generate plastic and rubber mainly, the excess is fuel then energy

Some people do oil to energy mainly, excess is plastic and rubber

Like the polymer thing

[dense violet]

sure.

[mystic sonnet]

Yeah, I am asking when that is necessary

[fluid sapphire]

you can also do both separately so no excess on either end

[mystic sonnet]

My factories don't consume so much power

[dense violet]

And I replied to you

you can skip fuel power entirely and go straight to nuclear from coal power
then you called it gay

[mystic sonnet]

Do they start to consume a lot ? like when

Sorry I didn't mean it that way

I said coal is pretty small compared to fuel

[dense violet]

I mean I care less about the gay comment and more that you seemed to immediately forget my answer xD

[mystic sonnet]

I meant*

[dense violet]

I mean yo ucan make huge coal stations very quickly

[mystic sonnet]

But it is only 75 MW

[dense violet]

I made this with mk3 belts - gets me to tier 7

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[dense violet]

but it's quick and direct

[mystic sonnet]

Oh I see

Coal+ water

Instead of worrying about the excess the oil generates