satisfactory

[bitter lodge]

send it

[mint cradle]

its in the math section

[bitter lodge]

Even those aren't backing up ._.

[mint cradle]

its going to be inneficient since i dont got mk4 yet but its wtv

as long i can begin the automation of it

[bitter lodge]

I think its a water piping issue, but I lowkey didn't care to fix it because my factory production wasn't even halved used >.> but now I want to massive scale it up since I have mk3 miners.

[mint cradle]

mightve been to in over my head for this factory ngl

*too

[worn oar]

Wyoming state patrol

[hard wolf]

@bitter lodge how much bauxite are you feeding in to the factory?

[bitter lodge]

which factory?

[mint cradle]

the one i sent in the math section

[bitter lodge]

My current factory is getting 4050 baux.
The updated version I want to make now will intake 12,223.

[dense violet]

Just don’t merge the fresh and waste water
Recycle it that way

[bitter lodge]

just a casual near triple amount.

[dense violet]

It’s basically unbreakable and you don’t need to truck in a ton of limestone

And process each belt of bauxite independently

[hard wolf]

or you could use VIP pipe junctions to feed it into a different part of the supply line that requires more water and feed the other pipe in to make up the difference

[bitter lodge]

oh.

I may of fucked that up...I piped fresh water into the recyle water for the following set cause the recyled amount wasn't enough...

[bitter lodge]

a what junction?

[dense violet]

Yeah it’s possible to feed waste water into fresh but it’s less reliable

[dense violet]

It’s a junction based off an exploit

It’s not super reliable

[hard wolf]

I have a limited understanding of this, because I've done a bunch of research but haven't actually used it yet, but you can use a vertical junction and the liquid you feed into the top is supposed to be at lower priority than the liquid you feed into the side

[dense violet]

Example ratios of keeping fresh and waste split #1286300794311938099 message

[hard wolf]

it would be absolutely stellar if they just gave us a priority pipe merger

[dense violet]

You can however clock the machines to be a tidier layout of course, this is just a basic diagram

[bitter lodge]

I feel like I tried to follow this before, and I fucked it up x)

[dense violet]

The main take away of it is just realise depending on your recipe choice you just figure out what % of bauxite is use fresh water and what waste

[bitter lodge]

how does that make sense?

its a fluid?

[hard wolf]

gravity probably? hopefully? all I know is that people use it and there are videos about it that won't make sense until I try it myself x.x

[dense violet]

Because people are lazy and want objects that immediately solve every problem in the game without thought

Instead of using some VERY easy solutions

I can help you with your waste water in #math-and-meta if you like

It’s very easy

[bitter lodge]

My idea was that I could put fresh water in X amount of refineries, then recyled water can be used to in the Y set of refineries and like daisy chain it all

[dense violet]

You linked all of them up to each other right?

[hard wolf]

I think setting up a temporary instant scrap line that only used 1 blender, including the scrap water overflow to sulfuric acid input loop in that, and using it to help me make the mk5 belts so I could build the rest of the factory really helped me build the rest without any issues

[dense violet]

“And process each belt of bauxite independently” is a very important part - daisy chaining that is a recipe for personal pain

[tough dock]

is turbo rifle ammo bad?

[restive umbra]

it's a tool

[ornate saffron]

Not badd. unique. takes some practice

[dense violet]

It’s fine? Try it out and see if you like it 🙂

[bitter lodge]

:) no.

I made mistakes for my alum factory-

but I plan to erase it entirely and belt more baux and coal in. Then bam, make less no mistakes this time and produce more.

[hard wolf]

@bitter lodge would you wanna play multiplayer SF with me and my GF sometime? 👉👈 I think that could be really fun >w<

[dense violet]

Up to you, easier than bringing in thousands of limestone

[bitter lodge]

Sure, but it has to wait until like june. I have an expected month long work trip all of may.

[jagged smelt]

Am I the only one playing this game just rounding everything and accepting of blinking status lights and a power demand that looks like it's getting hit with a defib?

[tough dock]

tried it, kind of like a old gatling gun that you need to crank to get it firing, im not a fan.

[dense violet]

Better in different situations, like if you get up close it’s tons of dmg

[hard wolf]

imo while homing ammo is less DPS than turbo and on par with base if you hit all shots on both accounts, homing is higher potential DPS than both if you can keep the reticle lined up, especially while aiming at a large stinger mid leap

[hard wolf]

okie ^-^

[bitter lodge]

Sloppy alum recipe needs 500 water/min
While alum solution recipe produces 300 water by product.
(yes this all overclocked to 250%)
So every 3 refineries could be fueled by by product water by 5 refineries getting fresh water

also shooting for 10980 alum ingots a minute gives me a solid number of 61 refineries, then 61 refineries again.

[glossy scarab]

What is the best way to torture spiders?

It’s important

[bitter lodge]

nuke nobelisk

[earnest condor]

I think the ratio is you need to supply fresh water to 30% of your Alumina input, and everything else is handled by byproduct.

For example, take the baseline 200 numbers.
200 * 0.3 = 60
Clock 1 Sloppy Ref at 30%, supply 60 Water/min.
Clock the other one at 70% - it needs 140/min input.
But the Electrode, running at 133.333% to match the incoming 240 Solution, gives you 140 Water output.

[bitter lodge]

No electrode recipe. I want to use sloppy into basic scrap, into pure.

[earnest condor]

Nuuuuuu 😭

Then disregard the above math 🙁

[dense violet]

This sounds like you’re feeding a different group of refineries than the ones producing the waste water?

[glossy scarab]

That’s to quick of a death for the likes of them

[bitter lodge]

ya I don't want to import sulfur at all

[bitter lodge]

that is the point.

[earnest condor]

Nothing above mentioned sulfur?

[dense violet]

I have mentioned this several times - it’s a bad idea

[twin parcel]

nuke nobelisk in spawn toilets .

[dense violet]

It very very very often causes unfixable problems connecting a ton of fluid systems together

[bitter lodge]

feed 5 refineries fresh, then use that recyle to feed 3.

[dense violet]

Ok good luck

[bitter lodge]

yes it does. Cause looking at my notes from the past. that is what my ass did

so my factory is fucked by my own accord

[bitter lodge]

Doesn't electrode require sulfur?

[earnest condor]

That's Instant.

Electrode swaps Coal for Oil in the chain.

[dense violet]

Then why would you do it again?

[bitter lodge]

well in that case. I could do oil

[twin parcel]

just use drones to ship crude oil and add another section in the factory that makes petroleum coke .

[bitter lodge]

I am not. I mathed it again. Looked at past notes then realized my dumbass did this math already months ago

I really went in a circle and clearly didn't learn my lesson.

[earnest condor]

Sloppy + Electrode is tied with Instant for highest conversion rate.

[dense violet]

Right ok. If you are doing things again and a section of refineries need a total of 500 water but produces 300 waste, just feed 200 fresh into refineries abd use the waste within the same group

[twin parcel]

nah i need my sulphur .

[dense violet]

Or whatever ratio you choose to work with depending on recipe choices

[earnest condor]

1. No one is trying to take it from you.
2. Sulfur is not rare.

[bitter lodge]

That is where I mixed water and broke things. So i am avoiding doing all that again.

I am plugging in different recipes like Sav recommended to see what that does for me.

[dense violet]

But you connected the waste and fresh, just don’t do that

Or you daisy chained things

I’m a little confused

[earnest condor]

If you do the 30% thing with Sloppy + Electrode there is no need to mix waters.

[dense violet]

Either way don’t do those things. Very easy to avoid

[bitter lodge]

I made this factory back in november

[dense violet]

Fair

[bitter lodge]

bold of you to assume I can fully remember how I set it up. All I know is that there is 5 outlets, and all are suppose to be 720 but only the first 2 are.

[bitter lodge]

or I belt in 8k limestone-

[twin parcel]

or just use coal generators if u dont wanna mix waters

[dense violet]

Well this is a practical example of processing 600 bauxite
Blue is fresh, red is waste #1347741162018046083 message

[bitter lodge]

cause I want to crank every refinery to 250

[dense violet]

No water mixing

[bitter lodge]

366 smelters for nearly 11k alum a min

[dense violet]

You’re going to have to axe the 250% every refinery if you want to recycle water without issues

[bitter lodge]

which I why I am heavly leaning towards the limestone

cause 122 refineries is a pain. But overclock it means only 50

Plus belting it won't be so bad. I already have a massive belt highway bringing in like 6k resources anyway. I just need to delete the old one, replace it with a mk6 belt version which should be easy given I have foundations set already.

[mint cradle]

Yall wanna see my new factory

It’s completed

10 smart plating per min

[bitter lodge]

show it off!

[mint cradle]

#screenshots

[dense violet]

You can still HIGHLY overclock thr refineries and not mix water

Just not all to 250

[mint cradle]

Gonna take a while to fill up tho

Pretty sure I did all the manifolds right

[dense violet]

It is at least 10x more work doing the limestone

And more machines to boot

[flint phoenix]

Connecting the power to my factory going "I sure hope past me did his math right"

[hard wolf]

can you compromise and do 200%? that's half as many machines and less overall power draw than 250 (if my guestimation is correct xwx)

[flint phoenix]

Because if he didn't, I won't notice for AT LEAST six hours

[bitter lodge]

but imagine all the concrete in my DD!

And more machines to boot
30 more refineries.

[bitter lodge]

LMAO

[mint cradle]

Phase 3 Tommorow for sure

[bitter lodge]

Power isn't an issue for me at all :)

[twin parcel]

why u didnt use alt recipe for smart plating ?

[dense violet]

Yeah way more work and machines than just high clocking them

[mint cradle]

Dont have it

[twin parcel]

ah

[bitter lodge]

We just take the water, and shove it all to the side :> no more worrying about it

[flint phoenix]

"Huh, how much water do I need? Ah, whatever, just hook up a bunch"

[mint cradle]

But what do you think of the factory does it look nice

[twin parcel]

it does look neat

[mint cradle]

I actually know how to do things on my own know

[bitter lodge]

my alum factory- 5k.
My tower factory- 10k :)

[mint cradle]

*now

[bitter lodge]

I am gonna become very familiar with water pipes.

[flint phoenix]

HOLY. One day I will have factories that big

[mint cradle]

Like mine?

[flint phoenix]

For sure

[bitter lodge]

My tower factory is actually not even a factory. That water is just for making all the ingots I want to make.

[flint phoenix]

Goddamn

[bitter lodge]

550 machines total.

[mint cradle]

Get blueprints asap

Helps save so much time

[bitter lodge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=huOyR99p7PfMyViSWqbN

This factory specifically. I plan to make all these ingots so i have resources ready. So then I just pipe them vertically to whatever floor needs them. What am I using all this for...idk yet.

[hard wolf]

still a WiP, and it's going to be black with lavender lights, but... #screenshots message

[twin parcel]

yea , try getting mk2 bp , mk 1 is too small for some set ups and requires some brain cells when coming up with some sections .

[bitter lodge]

MASSIVE

[mint cradle]

Aura

[flint phoenix]

Puppy tower makes so much

[flint phoenix]

I love purple :)

[bitter lodge]

I am so excited for it.

[flint phoenix]

Mk 1 bp makes my brain hurt

[mint cradle]

Imma tear down most of my factory’s at phase 3 and start building vertically

[bitter lodge]

and I forgot you can see the name of it-

[flint phoenix]

You're outed now

[flint phoenix]

I'm tearing down my entire save after unlocking tier 6

[mint cradle]

This game has ruined my sleep schedule

[mint cradle]

Get dd’s

[twin parcel]

there is one?

whats that?

[mint cradle]

I’ve fallen asleep at 3 am for the past week playing ts

[bitter lodge]

have you gotten blade runners yet?

[mint cradle]

I’ll do that rn

While I wait for these manifolds Also need the scanner tower too

[twin parcel]

life is easier when u got drones

[mint cradle]

Is there quartz nodes?

[bitter lodge]

...

[mint cradle]

All I’ve found are just rocks

[bitter lodge]

at least 2 of them.

[mint cradle]

Im an idiot

[bitter lodge]

there is 17 total I believe

[twin parcel]

good luck building manifolds for manufacturer and blender

when the recipe uses all 4 inputs

[bitter lodge]

I have a pretty solid manifold bp for manufacturers....

[mint cradle]

Just found one

[hard wolf]

I absolutely have to finish the depot mall now >w< thanks for the encouragement 🖤

[mint cradle]

Wdym blender why is there a blender

[next ivy]

to put frogs inside

[hard wolf]

but I have to build the nuclear power plant first and I have to decide whether or not I want to build the gargantuan feminine structure or save that for once I've added mods xwx

[twin parcel]

its a machine thats take 2 solid inputs and 2 fluid inputs

[mint cradle]

I’ve never played a factory game before so idk why I decided to try this out but I love it so much

[bitter lodge]

Blender is very down the road for you led.

Most of its uses are for phase 5 stuff, but can be used for fuel mainly.

[hollow mountain]

the worst thing about early game is not having the dimentional depo 😢 i keep running around beause im always missing something

[mint cradle]

Im just too lazy to get that ludicrous amount of sam

[bitter lodge]

just put down a miner?

[hollow mountain]

i have a sam node really close to me

[bitter lodge]

and set it to go into a sotrage container?

[hard wolf]

spend some time finding spheres and getting some upgrades. if one depot of an item isn't enough, add another depot for that item, and buffer it so that the depot refills more quickly after you've emptied it

[twin parcel]

what u mean phase 4 u need blender for nitric acid and fused modular frame , instant scrap sluminium if ur using that alt , default battery recipe , uranium rods .

[mint cradle]

There’s a big spider ):

[cursive topaz]

Does anyone know how many super computers you need to get past phase 4

[dense violet]

Set up transport

[hard wolf]

also the upgrade that lets you upload from your inventory is very good

[hollow mountain]

i know how it work it just suck to set tup

[hollow mountain]

i dont even have train yet

[twin parcel]

drunk and drive , jk

[mint cradle]

Ok I’m Bringing back 1k quartz to base

[hard wolf]

production line to splitter to 2 sets of 2 industrial storage containers or 4 storage containers to depot per set of storage containers (2 in this case) to never having to think about that item again until it's late game and you want a depot mall. ezpz :3

[dense violet]

Tubes and zip lines are VERY fast and easy to build

There’s lots of tools on the game to do various things

You always have the option to use them

[mint cradle]

I needa get tubes bro you need encased beams to make em right

[dense violet]

Zip line around 🙂

[hollow mountain]

i dont have tubes i should get the milestone soon

[hard wolf]

a depot uploading at 240/m is more than enough for most things unless it's foundations

[bitter lodge]

FOR REAL

[hard wolf]

hypertube cannon :3

[hard wolf]

I'm planning on a huge buffer and 8 depot's for concrete 😭

[twin parcel]

even coated concrete does not able to reduce my concrete consumption

[bitter lodge]

that is what I did

[twin parcel]

im using grip metal foundation these days

[hard wolf]

I drain it fast xwx #screenshots message

[bitter lodge]

Like I tapped 5 limestone nodes and made concrete to just upload.

[mint cradle]

Still wondering how a big space platform would save humanity but I’m just a worker

[bitter lodge]

You know what. Just keep automating things, and deliver them alright? Ada doesn't like your tone.

[twin parcel]

humanity already extint , ur just following ada orders

[mint cradle]

Alright…

[mint cradle]

Is this true or a joke

[bitter lodge]

tis all a joke

[torn canyon]

I guess all satisfactory players saved the humanity

[twin parcel]

joke

[bitter lodge]

have you listened to Ada?

[mint cradle]

She’s lowk mean

[bitter lodge]

She really just be like that "oh you got questions? Stop asking, and keep automating"

[mint cradle]

Talking bout some water is water

[torn canyon]

Automation is the alpha and omega

[mint cradle]

I hate that stupid creepy ass alien voice bro

[hard wolf]

the problem isn't even that I need a ton of it all the time. it's that as soon as I need a bunch of it it can't refill fast enough for me to keep building continuously x.x

I'm hoping 32 ISC's of concrete is enough >w<

[torn canyon]

how many depot did you place

[twin parcel]

i wished there is a song that ada sings

[dense violet]

I said zip lines
Zip lines are not tubes
Look in the mam

[bitter lodge]

bet you someone made one on youtube.

[twin parcel]

and i can play them on boombox

[hollow mountain]

you said both... and i already have zip lines its just slow

[twin parcel]

is there a mod to play songs that are outside of satisfactory ?

[bitter lodge]

ya, its called spotify....

[mint cradle]

Im on ps so I wouldn’t know

One thing I like about the PlayStation version is that ada talks through the controller

[bitter lodge]

that is fancy.

[hard wolf]

I have like 4 or 5 tacked on to preexisting infrastructure atm and it's not enough

[twin parcel]

i dont like the ads man, nah , im not gonna pay for the premium .

[river ingot]

Wait that's kinda peak

[hard wolf]

so 960 to 1200 concrete uploaded/m

and I use coated concrete, so I also have to worry about plastic >_<

[bitter lodge]

fair enough.

[torn canyon]

Isn't there a foundation using only concrete?

[twin parcel]

i guess i will get a controller (me playing on a laptop)

[hard wolf]

probably, but that doesn't fit the vibe

[bitter lodge]

I use youtube personally. but its the premium version. had it since 2015

[hard wolf]

vantablack and shiny :3

[river ingot]

Spotify sucks balls though

[hard wolf]

spotify sucks but apple music doesn't have the all the music I want (specifically iglooghost) and other platforms don't compare on the basis of I want the nice GUI x.x

[river ingot]

I buy my music from bandcamp mostly and then use what ever music player I like

[hard wolf]

in a lot of cases for artists (myself included) spotify sees so much traffic it's basically the default, and most other platforms are secondary, with apple music and tidal being kind of up there

[river ingot]

I've also used qobuzz just to buy Viagra Boys albums

[mint cradle]

yeah and its hella loud too

how was yalls day today>

?

[hollow mountain]

im going to bed soon

i was going but i have a bunch of stuff to setup in game before afk

[mint cradle]

same im just waiting for this manifold to fully fill and produce smart plating

you leave your game running overnight?

[river ingot]

Yeah that's the trouble
Spotify is just so dominant at the moment and it is truly HARD to get people to switch off anything they're familiar with
I have a few friends who are small artists and they hate Spotify because of how poor they treat them and how Spotify invests in military companies but there's just too much traffic for a small band a quit it

[hollow mountain]

only for phase item

[mint cradle]

i feel like my playstation would blow up

[hollow mountain]

im on pc

i love how my MF factory doesnt work before the most 2 important assembler doesnt have an output belt

[mint cradle]

im proud of my 12 per min modular frame factory

[hollow mountain]

oh thats great

[mint cradle]

steel screws and steeled frames are so tuff

[hard wolf]

it really sucks, especially considering some things that I care a lot about but would rather not talk about here, and the general apathy of a lot of people (empowered by their "it doesn't affect me, so why should I care?" stance) really hurts everyone who gives a shit

[mint cradle]

just piped a smart splitter from my steel storage and boom small factory producing 12 mod frames

imma revamp it tho with a new steel factory after i get to phase 3

cant wait to see the space elevator cutscene again

[hollow mountain]

i only do 5 modular frame /minute but thats because im still in phase 2

[mint cradle]

same

do you have steel set up??

[hollow mountain]

phase 3 is great

[mint cradle]

what do you get

i heard jet packs

[hollow mountain]

yup, 30 beam and 40 pipe minutes

[hollow mountain]

ALWAYS USE JETPACK WITH LIQUID BIOFUEL

[river ingot]

I've gone and seen small Melbourne bands haven't even heard of sites like Bandcamp and only really know about streaming because of how ubiquitous it is. Had to convince one to "put it on one of these websites and I will buy it".

I really do hate the " it doesn't affect me" mindset

[hard wolf]

parachutes until turbofuel, and turbo until ionized fuel imo (parachutes maintain momentum traveling up an incline that isn't a flat wall, btw)

[hollow mountain]

id take liquid biofuel any day over parachutes

[hard wolf]

argument from incredulity is one of the most widespread and frustrating logical fallacies 😭

also Bandcamp can be really low effort artist infrastructure, and once you know about it you're basically shooting yourself in the foot by not using it. props to you for promoting it :3

[river ingot]

Can't wait for phase 3
Building project Assembly in my massive turbo fuel plant at the moment

#design-and-architecture message

[mint cradle]

Your in phase 2…

I feel like a bum now 💔

[river ingot]

I have 700 hours and have never made it to phase 3
(Kept making new saves)

[hollow mountain]

dont worry my factory was still ugly at phase 5

[river ingot]

I got really lucky at one point
Not long after King Gizzard boycotted Spotify they made ALL of their albums free for like a few days and didn't announce it. Saw someone mention it and now have everything

There a few albums from a couple artists I need to buy actually that reminds me

[hard wolf]

oh my god I wish I knew 😵‍💫

did you know that nonagon infinity opens the door, but that you have to wait for the answer in order to open said door? :3

[mint cradle]

Wow

[hard wolf]

their cyclical album and love of odd time signatures changed me a lot, and that's after mathcore xwx

I did see that someone used AI to rip off a bunch of their music and post it to spotify and spotify deleted it in an amount of time (instantly was the only acceptable option there, but at least they did it)

[hollow mountain]

@mint cradle also unlock smart splitter when you're inventory is full you can sink the item you produce automaticly

i use it all the time

[hard wolf]

smart splitters and priority mergers can simplify a lot of complex supply lines :3c

[split escarp]

Holy smokes, any god tier train guys able to help me figure out a better way to do these train stations?

[hard wolf]

does this help? #screenshots message

[split escarp]

I guess my biggest issue, is I'm having trouble coming up with a way to come off the main rail line, the signaling is all kinds of wonky.

[hard wolf]

what are the issues? also you want block signals before and after every train station, as well as sectioning off spots into blocks where a bunch of trains can possibly intersect (like how I have a signal after the the out rails on the stations in the second photo). also also, you can interact with a signal putting out an error message to see exactly what the error is

[river ingot]

This is HUGE NEWS

[hard wolf]

it literally shattered my mind into a thousand pieces and reforged it into an organic computer capable of considering the butterfly effect and string theory to an exhaustive extent 🙀

/lh

[split escarp]

the error just tells me its looping back into itself

[dense violet]

Maybe make a post on #1038092680493801533 with over head images

Hold a signal so it shows block colours

Press P for photo mode

[worn oar]

It's finally time for what I dreaded, computers and heavy modular frame. Is one manufacturer apiece ok or am I going to kick myself later for it?

[hard wolf]

1/m is enough if it's just for build materials and has the time to stockpile in a buffer/depot

I'm sorry for all the typos and editing lately. I'm more clumsy than usual 😭

[worn oar]

For those and also the milestones

[hard wolf]

go for 10/m and take a break to explore, find drives/spheres/sloops

[worn oar]

😭

You want me to make turbofuel don't you

[hard wolf]

no, but it's a more efficient use of your time. I would actually try to make less if I didn't have heavy encased frames

[river ingot]

Mmmm turbo fuel 🤤

[worn oar]

Yeah true

[hard wolf]

10/m x 10 minutes = 100, which for modular frames puts you at 10 to 20 minutes to unlock a milestone (if my math is correct)

[split escarp]

why would a block signal refuse to go on one side, its trying to force the other direction

[hard wolf]

ime the biggest time to production bottleneck is the moment you've unlocked mk3 miners and need to spam out a bunch of them

[worn oar]

It's doable, but I only have 3-6GW to spare unless I turn on the liquid biofuel plant. Trying to sneak by until train lines and such are set up, so probably end of phase 3

Can get 13.6 GW more on demand though just in case

[hard wolf]

are you building on a big loop, and is the block signal the only thing on that loop? (if the station is the problem on that loop, a block signal at the very front and back of the station might fix it)

[hard wolf]

you could also turn an oil node into a fuel plant, even if it's impure

[worn oar]

I used the normal nodes and left the pure node for Mk2 pipelines

But yes more oil is coming for sure

[hard wolf]

a modest boost to your grid could carry you long enough

you just might have to pull another node later, or maybe build a ton of batteries

[worn oar]

Funny you should say that... the 63 GWh battery array is charging as we speak.

[hard wolf]

then you might not have to worry until you exhaust a bunch of supply lines on a build and all of those machines spin back up

[severe escarp]

I bought this game yesterday and I find it incredibly addictive, is it the same for you guys?

[worn oar]

No everyone here hates the game, that's why we stick around for hundreds or thousands of hours

Oh whoops thought I was in the LoL Discord for a second

[hard wolf]

is it masochism? is it a labor of love? do we just love "big number go brrr" and seeing all of those belts feeding machines at 100% efficiency? I dunno, but you like it, and that makes it worth playing >w<

[worn oar]

Oh yikes I'm short 638 modular frame

[river ingot]

Just a casual 638

[worn oar]

Yeah it'll only take about two hours to get the missing ones D:

[hard wolf]

build a 10/m modular frame factory and use a smart splitter to overflow them off of the HMF factory once it's backed up (tickets are nice but sometimes having what you need when you need it is nicer)

you could actually work towards 20 to 30 since that requires a lot less than HMF

also, and I know you don't wanna sink a bunch of time into looking for drives, but alts can drop the resource/machine requirement even lower, or at the very least balance the two out enough that the time you spent finding the recipes is made up for by the time you didn't have to spend building the factory

for HMF's, that's heavy encased pipes, steel pipes, iron wire, stitched iron plates, solid steel ingots, and pure iron ingots (on the off chance that you're wondering)

[worn oar]

HMF before computers, you think?

I'm racking up quite the to-do list

[hard wolf]

that entirely depends on what you need most. you can kind of determine that between the milestone requirements and pulling both up on the wiki to see what the build gun takes more of

though I'm pretty sure I use more HMF's than computers

[worn oar]

I'll have to research it. I usually cheat then restart when I get to this point. Never finished phase 3 legitimately

[dreamy pier]

can i have some help, I just got the game an hour ago. can't figure out how to get a good fuel source without gathering a TON of bushes. im lost

[worn oar]

I would highly recommend followiing your milestones in this case. Build one machine of each thing you unlock. The automated power source comes in the next phase after you started the space elevator

[dreamy pier]

oh okay. im almost to phase 2

[worn oar]

This is one of those games that's best enjoyed blindly by listening and reading what the game wants you to do. NOT looking up tutorials or guides. You'll get the most fun out of it that way.

I would say don't look anything up unless you're totally stuck for like an hour, or more

[dreamy pier]

i already have an iron miner leading into a smelter that goes into a storage unit👍

[dreamy pier]

so just trial and error till i get pissed off. sounds good to me LOL

[hard wolf]

looking over everything, the hub wants a bit more HMF's than computers and the build gun needs both. it kind of levels out between pipeline pump mk2's and programmable splitters on paper, but in practice you'll need a lot of pumps and programmable splitters don't see a lot of use ime, though block and path signals need computers if you're using trains. if you wanna be careful, maybe build a factory that makes 10/m of both?

[worn oar]

Sort of, yeah. If you go to the HUB, the milestones say what you unlock. You'll eventually want to make those things automated. The smart plating is for feeding into the space elevator

Obstacle clearing unlocks solid biofuel which is your best fuel until the next phase

[dreamy pier]

oh okay thanks

[worn oar]

Sounds good ty

[hard wolf]

also, at scale, a factory making 10/m of both and then feeding into 4x ISC's each before the depot will probably be enough, granted those ISC's have enough time to fill (which is likely if you're spending a lot of time not using those items)

[dreamy pier]

and one more thing. is there like a building camera mode or something where i can go into like a drone view?

[worn oar]

P

[dreamy pier]

thx

[worn oar]

Then press R to decouple

1100 iron ingots wtf lol

Hungry hungry HMF

[cursive crane]

Its not building camera, just photo mode

[dreamy pier]

yeah i saw that lol

[cursive crane]

How far in the game are you?

[dreamy pier]

tier 0 HUB upgrade 6

[hard wolf]

step 1: plan and figure out how much stuff you need
step 2: find a spot that has all of that stuff (rocky desert or dune desert ime)
step 3: build the thing :3

[worn oar]

I think I'm going to fill the ground of grass fields before I move on, as homage to my starting area

[cursive crane]

Ah.
There is a ||hoverpack later in the game that allows you to hover as long as you are connected to powerlines nearby||

[worn oar]

The entire biome will be filled with random junk until it can take no more of my shenanigans

[split escarp]

just posted in screenshots. I tore every rail out and rebuilt and it finally let me put signals where I wanted.

[hard wolf]

it looks like you came to a workable conclusion, which is that input and output rails shouldn't cross paths ever unless you want to suffer through trying to make it work xwx at least that's what I can tell from the photos. good job! ^w^

[split escarp]

My main goal was to have my trains work almost like a highway system, but able to use any exit to turn around and go back the other way also. Two uni-direction Main rails like a "highway" on elevated platforms, exits down to a train station on ground level, then merge rails back onto the Main rail in either direction. All that with a fail-safe to bypass the train station if I ever change a train route

[hard wolf]

also (just in case you haven't figured this out yet) dual rail trains tend to work best, kind of like a road that has two lanes

it sounds like you have :3

[split escarp]

Thats what I am going for, but it seems to be a little tough when getting started, I'd like to figure out if there is a more compact version of my monstrosity of a train stop... I'm also trying to not let trains clip each other on over/underpasses

the signaling is a little frustrating because you are technically looping back onto the main railway which gets the "blocks"of rail all confusing

[hard wolf]

I think it gets less confusing once you understand how to create blocks and section off your network properly

[dense violet]

Screenshots is a terrible place to ask questions , can’t reply there and have to keep swapping back

Hence thr suggestion about using #1038092680493801533
#design-and-architecture or #math-and-meta work too

[hard wolf]

also t junctions and cross junctions can help a lot

[dense violet]

Does seem overcomplicated though

Hard to see exactly what is going on though

[split escarp]

yeah, i guess my mentality is to avoid crossing rails as much as possible so the traffic never really stops flowing on the main rail. But that could just be moot

[dense violet]

Also bypasses don’t exist like that. A train will either always use the bypass or the shortest path

Trains never change route

[hard wolf]

I see the station inputs splitting off, stations outputs merging together, and all of it clear enough to prevent a collision

[dense violet]

If you want simple just have it like a road and stations off to the side with on and off ramps

[hard wolf]

I would say that the way I did it is simpler and easier to expand off of, but if it works it works >w<

barring the fact that you have to rework parts of the rails leading in and out of the network each time you want to add another train

but it's fairly low effort in the grand scheme of things, and doesn't take too long :>

(messages 2 and 3 are talking about my build. if you can tack more stuff onto that without any issues, more power to you)

[cursive topaz]

i dont mean to ask questions twice, but does anyone know how many supercomputers you need to complete phase 4 project assembly parts

[split escarp]

Well, This is the first time im actually using rails in a playthrough. Havent played since like update 5 or 6. I'll get better and figure out better builds

[hard wolf]

375

[cursive topaz]

cus i have 4 industrial containers full rn of supercomputers

oh so i have plenty

[worn oar]

500

[hard wolf]

victory is within your grasp. act now! (warframe eidolon hunt reference)

[ornate idol]

connecting everything by rail is one of the things I most enjoy about the game, it brings the whole map together.

[worn oar]

Assembly director takes 1 each

[dense violet]

Having overlapping rails also won’t cause you any issues, basically no one has that much traffic that you’ll notice anything

[ornate idol]

it feels very satisfying once I connect a far flung region to the network and can just hop a train to get back and forth after that.

[hard wolf]

I used the .75 per minute by mistake 😭

4 isc's is definitely enough, though

48*50=2400. that's way more than 500

[cursive topaz]

yea i still have to obtian nitric acid, and procure more oil, and spool up nitrogen production, build a nuclear power plant, create a cube factory, and a concrete factory, make a blending plant for a lot of that stuff, get rocket fuel, and ionized fuel

etc

[hard wolf]

thank you for correcting me xwx

[split escarp]

is there anywhere on the map I should start building a megabase due to height restrictions? Now that I am starting to use rails, I want to pick a spot and start bringing all my mats toa central location

[cursive topaz]

i forgot to mention get more oil

[worn oar]

There is no such thing as height restriction in Satisfactory. While you can build to the world height, there's more usable space in one foundation-sized pillar than you'll need

[cursive topaz]

most people will advise against that, and say build outcroppings, that make finished things then pull them back in. but other than that either the swamp and/or the dune desert

[hard wolf]

I built a project part factory in the dune desert and am working on a depot mall in the rocky desert. the maximum height limit is the same across the map, and it's where you start from that makes the difference

[hard wolf]

I say build the biggest thing you can and make it big enough to hold more than you can ever need! >w<

[cursive topaz]

in my play time, you will always run out of room

and you will always loose frames as the hours go on

[worn oar]

However, to actually answer the question. Most people who build a centralized base choose one of these:

• Dune Desert
• North coast by where all the oil is, on the edge
• Grass Fields
• Upper left corner

Now let's see how many modular frames I can squeeeeeeze out of 8 impure iron nodes

[hard wolf]

upper left corner is the rocky desert, and 10/10 if you need to make a lot of stuff. I would suggest avoiding the swamp because of all of the nasty critters, though it's a nice spot to set up a uranium powerplant late game once you have the means to deal with like 10 large stingers at once xwx

[ornate idol]

my "central base" in my current run is literally in the center, it encompasses 0,0 and is in the pink forest.

warehouse surrounded by 50+ stations

[latent prawn]

i find coated plate+adhered plate+steeled frame to be the best means, but it really requires you to use molded pipe for the pipes

[worn oar]

I mean yes BUT do I really want to literally triple my coal usage in a time where a 6 GW coal power plant is the majority of my power production?

And I don't have enough oil yet

[hard wolf]

coated plate is v good but base modular frame, stitched iron plate, and heavy encased frame is bae

[worn oar]

I don't have most of those alts yet lol

[hard wolf]

expanding your power output > anything else you could be doing

[latent prawn]

well 1) move your power plant 2) yes you do want to make a lot of steel

[worn oar]

I'm still in phase 3 :<

[hard wolf]

also thanks @reef basin for building a tool that taught this woman to fish >w<

[latent prawn]

so am i and i'm pushing 80gw of power atm

[worn oar]

I have 14 GW flex fuel that's not running right now if I need to be lazy with power to add onto the 10 GW constant

Sheesh okay

[cursive crane]

Flex power

From what

[latent prawn]

2 big coal plants, a few res fuel builds and 10 apa's

[hard wolf]

if you can make a fuel power plant, make a fuel power plant. I know you talked about restarting, but I think you have what it takes to carry this save through to phase 5

[worn oar]

10 GW liquid biofuel I can turn on or off as needed and 3.6 GW solid biofuel biomass burners

[cursive crane]

Bro

Just make fuel gens 😂

[latent prawn]

ikr

[worn oar]

Bro I'm busy shaving the yak

[cursive crane]

You should never need more than 300mw or so of biofuel power, make 3gw of coal, and rush fuel gens as soon as possible, no wonder people struggle with power so much lmao

[hard wolf]

fuel power gens will blow everything else out of the water, and you can the use pump trick to use some of them on an as need basis, though for a not biofuel plant you might as well run it 24/7

[cursive crane]

Making 4gw of biofuel power would make me physically ill

[latent prawn]

i have a little cushion power plant that can make 480/min solid biofuel from what i gather. it's been providing me a bit of a cushion on 5x power

[cursive crane]

Thats different Ig if you are using power modifier you may need as much as you can get lol.

But base game theres soooo much more power to be had than you will ever need

[latent prawn]

agreed

[hard wolf]

I agree with ryzor. if you have that much excess material to feed a liquid biofuel plant that you can put pumps on a wireless switch to only power it on sometimes it's kinda maybe worth if you only need that much extra power? but the output of fuel is so much higher that it kinda becomes unecessary

emphasis on that much excess material

[worn oar]

I want to expand my fuel generators after I get mk2 pipelines, which needs heavy modular frames so I may as well make a production facility for those, but I also need computers for phase 3 and other milestones, so I should get that done too, but I need circuit boards for that so I need to double my plastic, but a reasonable amount of HMF requires tons of modular frames... etc etc etc.

Do you not see the finely treaded limits of my sanity? When am I supposed to fit in doubling or tripling fuel power in the middle of all this stuff? :D

[hard wolf]

now. make more power now. you'll be happy you did.

[worn oar]

I have over 100,000 wood and 600,000 leaves. I could run my liquid biofuel plant for literal days without running out. I just want to be lazy.

[latent prawn]

well, um, if you can spare some iron & copper, that liquid biofuel can be packaged and burned in the biomass burners for the same power as the fuel gens and automatically throttle

[hard wolf]

and biomass burners don't require the weird but cool pump hack

[worn oar]

Yes, but using a power switch to control pumps throttling the fuel generators is already a perfectly cromulent solution to the problem and easier to build. So why shouldn't I?

[hard wolf]

but that requires an alt that ryzor probably doesn't have

[hard wolf]

plz just make the HMF/computer plant and farm some drives. that would save you a lot of sanity xwx

[worn oar]

That's what I'm doing lol

[hard wolf]

oh, cool :3

[worn oar]

I'm making modular frames right now, 60/min so I can feed the extras into depot

[latent prawn]

well, you could use plastic to make the canisters, but then you'd have to dispose of the hor by burning it for power 😄

[hard wolf]

which is more power! ^w^

I figured that into my first ever plubber factory and it helped tons xwx

[dreamy pier]

is there a way to make crafting faster? i cant figure it out if there is a way

[latent prawn]

on 5x power, i've been doing a lot of intro oil builds just to make residual fuel

[worn oar]

I use the faster manual crafting redux mod

[latent prawn]

automation to parallelize it

[dreamy pier]

oh, ill stick to vanilla for my first run

[dreamy pier]

say what?

[hard wolf]

automate it. you can always set up a machine making the thing you need and belt containers into it that you cram the required resources in to in order to make the thing

[dreamy pier]

ohhh okay

thx

[hard wolf]

ofc ^w^

[worn oar]

Sounds good. So basically you are in the phase of the game where you have to bootstrap everything, because you aren't automated yet. This is where you have to handcraft. After you have machines doing each thing--even if they are very slow--you can have them fill containers for you and just come back later.

[latent prawn]

past the tutorial silliness, the point is to automate everything so your factory does the crafting for you

[worn oar]

The game is trying to nudge you not so subtly towards automation

Almost everything can be automated except some equipment

[latent prawn]

hand crafting is supposed to be slow and painful

[worn oar]

Yep

[dreamy pier]

i have automated my iron already🙌

so nice having it so i dont have to smelt it myself

[latent prawn]

get a constructor making some plates and you'll be in fat city

out of the early game parts, plates and concrete are the slowest to craft

[worn oar]

Reinforced iron plate

I need 1,687.5/minute screws 😱

And 2250 ingots

[hard wolf]

pure iron ingot + iron wire + stitched iron plates xwx

[worn oar]

I went for iron alloy ingot since I don't need the nearby copper for anything else

That's 65% more iron per iron

[hard wolf]

fair. the other two would make your life a lot easier. also pure iron ingot is more efficient on the ore to ingot output than than alloy iirc, and you could use that copper to make computers

[worn oar]

Ah but I planned that ahead too. I need just 240 copper, and the spot I'll be building computers in already has a normal node. It's sufficient.

Whereas convenient water for pure iron would require me to relocate the smelting for HMF

[hard wolf]

rocky desert inlet. I threw together a 10/m HMF factory there in a couple of hours with alts :3

[worn oar]

Yeah fair

It's probably a better place for it but the grass fields are calling my name

Must consume

[hard wolf]

lots of space to build xwx

there are some nice nodes around there if you check SCIM

[worn oar]

I kind of want an excuse to build trains and in an ideal world that excuse would be the desert. But I'm not ready for trains until I do HMF and computers

[hard wolf]

are you ready to use autoconnect blueprints and build a transcontinental loop? :3c (pic for reference, though it's important to note that the t and cross junction blueprints are templates that have to be reworked since they both require a 7x7 grid that only a mk4 blueprinter could accomodate)

#screenshots message

[worn oar]

No I'm scared of trains actually

I'm hoping these "megabuilds" of 10 ea HMF and computer will help me get over fear of scale and complexity

[hard wolf]

they're not that bad. just be ready to add another train or station if you're not getting enough throuput, and add enough of a buffer that the unloading stations can be emptied before the next load arrives

more stations plus trains to move the materials around is better until you can empty the unloading stations properly

if you have mk6 belts and/or can unload them very quickly, another train is more convenient

[strange vortex]

Enought storage for uranium waste? #screenshots

[south lion]

Enough for some time

[normal orbit]

Not even close

[south lion]

But u can ofc use that time to make a system for getting rid of it

[normal orbit]

Why store it

[south lion]

No clue

If u don't wanna clean it ig

But u have to at some point

[hard wolf]

build something that lasts, not something that melts you the moment it stops working

[reef basin]

Storing waste is fine tbh

[normal orbit]

You can make a case for storing plutonium waste since a fifth of uranium. But refining uranium waste is pretty easy and pretty cheap to do.

[hard wolf]

storing waste is fine until it backs up and the grid shuts down. I can't accept that. better to sink plutonium rods if nothing else

[worn oar]

How many rods/minute

Or how much waste

[normal orbit]

If you make 50.4 uranium rods, that storage will fill in 15 hours :p

[latent prawn]

give it to doggos

you can flush it instead

[worn oar]

How can I stop myself from falling out of the hypertube tunnel?

I'm barely even turning in here and falling out

[strange vortex]

3

[dense violet]

You prob want to post images of what you’re trying to do in #math-and-meta and ask

Or qna post

[worn oar]

168 hours of storage

[strange vortex]

Shoudl I add more?

[worn oar]

You tell me

[normal orbit]

256 hours of storage with 3 rods/min

I would just refine the waste

And not store it at all

[worn oar]

Plutonium is big and scary

[strange vortex]

I agree

[spiral roost]

hi
i want to start a new game, but i really dont want to spend time hunting for hard drives, mercer spheres, and somersloops all over again
is there a way to get them all at once? maybe a mod, or a interactive map? idk

[limpid iron]

there is creative mode, but that disables achievements

[normal orbit]

If you convert the uranium waste to plutonium and burn that your storage there would take a little under 3000 hours to fill

[strange vortex]

Just get one and then use one of dupe glitch

[normal orbit]

You said it, interactive map

[worn oar]

Mods or SCIM

Or EnableCheats console command

[limpid iron]

what do people think of the node randomisation on 1.2 exp?

I think its cool but I don't find it much fun where they're completely random like an oil node nowhere near water

[dense violet]

Logistical problem solving is the name of the game

If it’s not a convenient node, don’t use it

[limpid iron]

this is true

I am excited to see how they'll have it on full release

[sterile blade]

Like... You're falling out of an uninterrupted hypertube tube?

[zealous spear]

When you buy one of the finishes can you use those in the templates now?

It would be cool to have Chrome finish on my foundations But I don't know if you still have to go one by one for it

[worn oar]

Yes I'm getting pushed out at hypertube supports sometimes, even if it's a gentle angle

[sterile blade]

... That sounds very bug-related and much non-intended
You wouldn't happen to be playing Experimental, right...?

[dense violet]

Finishes are only applicable to some objects afaik

[spiral roost]

where exactly? i couldnt find it

[zealous spear]

You can still mostly apply it to basically everything though

[worn oar]

Nope, 1.1

[normal orbit]

there a pin with link in #math-and-meta

[sterile blade]

If the customizer swatches included the finish, that'd be possible... But they don't (they have a "finish" setting, but not quite what we're looking for here)

[sterile blade]

Quick, to the QA site!
Squash the bug!

[zealous spear]

sadge

They really should add them to the swatches

[spiral roost]

i know this website, but I couldnt find exactly where on the site you can "list" all your hard drives etc

[zealous spear]

'cause I'm not gonna lie the foundations being the unpainted or chrome finish is kind of sick Same with pipes instead of just having to do like a grayish color with shiny turned on

[crimson ermine]

guys, i scanned a harddrive and i can pick between biocoal and +6 inventory slots? which one should i pick or do i rescan?

[zealous spear]

If I'm not mistaken the 6 inventory slots is kind of rare

Isn't there only like two of those in the pool for hard drives

Yeah there's only two and in order to get access to the second one you have to finish Tier 6

[crimson ermine]

i mean, isnt there the depot thing later in the game?

[zealous spear]

It's really only useful for building materials Basically Makes it so when you expand factories you don't have to have an inventory full of stuff but for basic inventory storage The six comes in clutch early on

[crimson ermine]

alright, thanks

[zealous spear]

Plus it's fucking expensive

like very Expensive

Because you got to get the upgrades to expand the storage or else it can only hold like 100 of each item

It's like a pure end game thing

[dense violet]

I don’t think you can do foundations

[zealous spear]

you can

#design-and-architecture message

[blazing lance]

i finally got my coal generators up and running that was really a pain

[steep pivot]

yo people, lil question. Is it normal for all game sound effects to vanish (including the sound of the boombox or chainsaw)?

[honest ferry]

Is there a way to make blueprint build snapping at the right direction and height or having a zoop build mode just like building foundation?

[crude canyon]

Zoop build is a bit too op

[dense violet]

Hold ctrl or build on top of foundations to snap

[fresh quarry]

is the game finished? how many patches will be after 1.2?

[honest ferry]

I was making a 4x4 foundation roof with lighting and cable connected they, I have to manually adjust every time to match position

[steep pivot]

I guess it is normal that my sound is just gone, I can't even hear the ai assistant anymore XD

[honest ferry]

Yeah it doesn't always snap and behave very weird..

[sterile blade]

What do you mean by "finished"?

Patches will keep coming for long after 1.2... Hopefully to add or improve content rather than just fixing more things from 1.2 that didn't get enough polish

[fresh quarry]

do they have plans to start working on another game

or will they add stuff like DLC like factorio did

[sterile blade]

I don't know about their plans for other games, but development for this one is likely to continue at least a couple more years.
DLCs (paid or not) are not off the table, but we mainly expect more of the Updates we are used to (eg: 1.1, 1.2)

[blazing lance]

im getting a mk2 miner soon, time to rework all my setups

[winged root]

If only drones can go from A to B to C so I could just have 1 massive refuel facility ) excess drone storage can just be sinked.

[true mulch]

Group drone ports, have one drone in that group visit the fuel source to supply fuel to other ports in the group

[normal orbit]

can easily do that without having A-B-C functionality

[jovial tapir]

Is it possible to split 8 items 5,3?
I have 1 machine that needs 5 pm components and the other needs 3 pm
my source produces at 8 pm

[honest ferry]

I think I figure a way, blueprint build mode can actually make 4x4 block align somehow, I kept switching to blueprint(auto connect) which cause weird alignment

[mortal coyote]

Is there a way to have item go to storage up until X stacks and then go to sink?

[normal orbit]

overflow smartsplitter

tho X = full storage

[mortal coyote]

yeah full is too much for higher tier items though

[dense violet]

Just add a splitter after the miner and make more sections

[normal orbit]

why?

[dense violet]

Items are infinite , you won’t care you’ll be doing other things

[normal orbit]

what diffrence does it make if you have 2 or 48 stacks of something?

[mortal coyote]

to get them sink points quicker basically

[winged root]

I do, currently drones for me are used on transportation of things like fused modular frames and other low in number product, thankfully most production factories produce more than 1 item usually but still annoying with the drone spread

[copper crag]

i just started finished phase 2 did i have any other energy generator other than biomass and coal gen?

[sterile blade]

There's a relatively easy approach for any number of splits: splitting to the closest even number (8), then merging the outputs as needed (3 and 5) and then merging back any excess (eg: trying to split 1 in 5, one can split in 6 and "loop" one output back before the first splitter)
Finally, one can optimize the result to cut down on splitters/mergers ^^

[jovial tapir]

Ah, Here is what I am going to try... its bold but I have a feeling it might just work.
Use a smart splitter. the direct output will service the 5 per minute and once it backs up... the overflow setting on the left will service the 3 per minute
in theory it cant fail
I also have like 2000 of these components on hand so I can use that to intentionally back it up

I am only trying this because I am redesigning my factory for phase 4 (and in phase 3 I got it mixed up and made like 3 times the amount of resources I need (its also a noodle factory too)) space is a premium

[sterile blade]

"Overflow" and "load balancing" can achieve the same efficiency, eventually, the differences are mainly in how they get there (ie: overflowing needs items to pile up, load balancing needs tinkering to avoid that)

[jovial tapir]

I was a very happy man the day I figured out load balancing. this is my second playthrough (my first one had about 15 hours in it... this one 120)
when I figured it out, a friend joined and when he saw it he said "My god... I never thought id see the day you figure this out"

[sterile blade]

Belt mechanics and efficiency can be fun to play with... They can offer plenty of different "puzzles" to solve
Ofc, how rewarding it might feel is highly subjective 😅

[jovial tapir]

I feel ya. There is just something about this game. I dont know what it is, but I just love playing it

[sterile blade]

It scratches itches you didn't even know you had? 😏

[winged root]

Having nuclear power available before you can deal with the waste is evil

[jovial tapir]

Yeah, I called in sick for work on monday. I said I had a sore throat but in reality... the factory was calling

[sterile blade]

Really making FICSIT proud 🫡

[jovial tapir]

I will save the day... even if it kills me. the human race alongside its puppies and kittens must survive

[jovial tapir]

noted. I will wait for the waste management to become available first

I need to scale up plastic (for the 5th time again...) and realised its not all that bad because I get fuel out of it and its an opportunity to get some turbo fuel while I am at it

[dense violet]

Is one of you paths a sink? If not you don’t need a smart splitter

[jovial tapir]

Nah both of my paths are assemblers, its just one needs 5 and the other needs 3

[dense violet]

Then 1 regular splitter does it

Or clock 2 groups so be makes 3 and the other 5

[steel kelp]

Is there a way to get an online map of your custom seed without uploading your save file like on satisfactory calculator?

[winged root]

I’ll assume your using the usual 200 p/m plastic setup (what do you need 1000/m for?

[jovial tapir]

Nah. I think I need another 400 p/m on plastic on top of the existing 150

[dense violet]

It seems unlikely theres a database of probably near infinite variables of maps

[coarse path]

instead of crashing when i delete a train my game now also randomly crashes

its getting realy anoying

[steel kelp]

yeh, i thought i’d ask as you can do the same thing for minecraft on consoles and was hoping there was smth similar for this!

i have the satisfactory itch since i 100%’d on console release so im tryna think of ideas for a new playthrough

[winged root]

Random mob spawns (generates world and every single enemy is a tier 3 radioactive spider)

[rigid wedge]

should I place a buffer when using fluid train carts?

[open ruin]

how safe is it to start an experimental save, will it most likely corrupt when they add updates or no

[unborn gyro]

nope, but it is bit buggy atm

dismantling trains is crashing the game and so does rain, tho that did not happen to me

[rigid wedge]

I had 1 crash in over 200 hours

buggiest satisfactory exp -> regular game releases

[strange vortex]

Rate my factory #screenshots

[dense violet]

use one of these #design-and-architecture message

#math-and-meta message

[rigid wedge]

Would that work for 600 m³?

[bitter crow]

Can i unlock all alt recipes?

[dense violet]

if the travel time allows it? yes

you have to plan the system around that and the 1600 (or 2400 in 1.2) storage in a car though

[dense violet]

also don't use for gas

[rigid wedge]

#screenshots message

should be short enough. thats for 2x 600 water and 450 crude oil

the gas i get local

[agile bough]

#fan-art message

@cold zealot This is cool ash do you make these yourself or is there a website for it

[thick cave]

Man i love having an explosives factory now

its so peak

[bitter crow]

when should i use drones, and when should i use trains?

[thick cave]

whenever you want

[dense lodge]

trains are mostly useful for transporting a lot at once over far distances

and drones are for smaller things but if you place enough then it works too

[dense violet]

depends on the number of cars? and time , but sure

[dense violet]

train's super power is that it needs a lot of infrastructure but you can reuse that infrastructure for tons of transport yo uconnect to the main line
they suffer a bit with terrain elevations though and if you have no other paths that need servicing its a lot of work

drones don't care about terrain at all or distance much , takes zero infrastructure and you can just expand throughput by using more drones

[bitter crow]

i see

i think i will use a drone network for my aluminum, and trains for my plastic

[dense violet]

sure 🙂

entirely depens how you like to do things and what the situations you're in

[thick cave]

I made trains even though i can walk to my production areas

[dense violet]

you do you 🙂

[ornate saffron]

[ornate saffron]

I like building a little station off to the side of my facilities. Its soul purpose is to dock the train is ride

[fiery root]

Fellas quick question

Wait not a question anymore. Thought i will need water for my next Power plants after coal

[fluid sapphire]

well, it depends

[fiery root]

i mean gasoline. does it also need water?

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need it necessarily, but the objectively best chains do include water

[fiery root]

i understand. thanks

[fluid sapphire]

there are two recipes in particular that you may be interested in if you want to maximize your bang for buck per unit of crude oil

do you want to know what they are

i think they are both unlockable as soon as you unlock oil processing

these two can already let you produce enough power to get you to the end of phase 5

[bitter crow]

isnt there a good alt recipe for rocket fuel?

[fluid sapphire]

depends on what you consider good, if you want resource effiency but a slightly more complex chain, the vanilla recipe is your dawg

if you want it stupid simple and brain dead easy at the cost of some resource efficiency, you probably want this chain

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=78Pe3zq38gqtLOD7P1fv

[bitter crow]

holy shit lmao

[fluid sapphire]

considering how ludicrously powerful rocket fuel is i myself opt for the braindead option

if you build in blue crater, with this chain you can make 4800 rocket fuel with resources in 1km radius

with the default you can make more

but that already nets you 300GW if you burn it all

[faint willow]

You know, the more I mess around with the industrial walkways, the less I hate them.

Only thing I don't like is doubling-up on the paths where the square shapes form in the middle

Looks really weird to me still

That and apparently they're just low enough to where wall pieces clip through the bottom

[unkempt blade]

I agree, they should remove rocket fuel

[normal orbit]

prob not remove, but make the gap between rocket and turbo smaller and the gap between ionized and rocket larger

[elder cedar]

anyone got a good supercomputer layout?

[fluid sapphire]

there are probably as many chains for that as there are people on this server

[cold zealot]

I actually hand crafted them so sadly there is no website or anything for them

[fluid sapphire]

if its worth anything to you, i make them like this

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=B1t4ra3o8Q49vx6HoC5k

[elder cedar]

oh man, this stuff getting complex now. i tried to use a calculator but its telling me to use 9 different types of resource nodes

[agile bough]

Ah okay

[fluid sapphire]

thats just what its like if you are making them from scratch

[unkempt blade]

Nah just straight up remove it. There was already an oil-based fuel that used sulfur and coal. We didn't need a second one

[elder cedar]

i think i have to fix a lot things beforehand then. and make more motors and stuff to transfer\

[normal orbit]

technically its a oil based fuel that uses nitrogen gas

[honest ferry]

Is there a better way to smelt? my 2/min Heavy frame need 21+ smelter for iron ingot💀

[normal orbit]

yes several, play the game to find them :)

[fluid sapphire]

refineries

[honest ferry]

oh the iron ingot alt recipe?

[fluid sapphire]

there are a number of ways to make iron ingots, thats just one of them

either way, usually if you need to make lots, you need lots of machines, thats just how the cookie crumbles

[stoic salmon]

im running a trainline accross the map how close can my rails be together

[normal orbit]

the iron ingot alt? theres four alts

[fluid sapphire]

or overclock them

[fluid sapphire]

if you are doing 2 lanes, 1 foundation distance from center to center

[stoic salmon]

tyty

and that lets 2 trains pass without fucking up

[fluid sapphire]

far as i know

[normal orbit]

yes correct, center of each rail needs to be one foundation, 8m apart at least

[faint willow]

So I reached a fork in the road when it comes to this factory of mine

Still working on trying to finish out the second phase, obviously, I know I'm in the very early game.

I've been so obsessed with making this building look good that I forgot to actually automate the important stuff.

Do I make a separate building for screws, reinforced plates, and rotors, or try to link it all together in one somehow?

[fluid sapphire]

you dont really need screws on their own honestly

do whatever feels more manageable to you

i tend to split stuff up pretty often

[faint willow]

So right now I've got a single building housing 3 iron miners, 8 smelters, and 8 constructors, half plates, half rods.

[fluid sapphire]

nothing too crazy, if you want a bigger building, make a bigger building

[dense violet]

just automate basic parts and over flow extras into containers

[faint willow]

Huh, I was led to believe screws were a lot more necessary.

[normal orbit]

screws are completly optional, do what you liek

[dense violet]

screws are fine, jsut make them right before they are used

only building that needs screws is the awesome shnop

[stoic salmon]

if a train hits terrain will it derail

[normal orbit]

na

[rough crest]

damn 250% 4 somersloop accelerator is 20 000 MW consumption at peak

[fluid sapphire]

you can build production chains entirely without screws with a couple alt recipes

[rough crest]

that's twice my entire base

[south sinew]

use power storage and flatten that out

[faint willow]

That's...insanely nice to hear actually.

[south sinew]

but yes, it's a lot

[rough crest]

y but my batteries are almost dead like 30% and im at 28/100 pasta

so i guess i have to just remove everything and let it go at normal speed

it will be 1 extra hour of waiting this afternoon whatever i wanted to see what's in tier 9

[faint willow]

Also I saw a post the other day of someone sinking their somersloops... the ragebait worked

[rough crest]

WHAT

my friend is exploring 100% of the time we play and he found like 50 while i beat every single tier and that guy sank them???

[faint willow]

Yeah it was on the subreddit, saw it while doomscrolling on Tuesday

[rough crest]

also aren't they finite

[faint willow]

Guy just dumped like 20 somersloops

[normal orbit]

somersloops dont go into the sink, so that would've been a lie :p

[faint willow]

That's why I'm like 90% sure it was mods and ragebait

but still, the principle...

[rough crest]

we have like 50 sloops and 400 power shards in total

most of them sitting in inventory xd

[faint willow]

i need to go out exploring in my save soon

[rough crest]

it's so beneficial

[normal orbit]

you can lose some sloops if you have em on you, cannon yourself way beyond the death border and your deathcrate despawns cause its outside playable area

[faint willow]

Ironically arachnophobia mode is beneficial to finding caves kekw

[rough crest]

i dont cannon i just accelerate at the beginning of a tube and then catch myself with a wall at the end

i never understood cannons tbf

you have landmarks on your map so might as well make a controlled way to get there

[chilly vine]

i let my satisfactory open all night for my friend to play and this morning i looked and he completed phase 2 and did the oil processing milestone all alone

i love my friend

[rough crest]

i love my friend as well

[normal orbit]

friend = autonomous worker :p

[rough crest]

try to get a dedicated if you guys can so you don't have to leave pc open

[chilly vine]

im looking for this

[rough crest]

and base can run 24/7 you have infinite resources

it fits so well this type of games where there's a lot of waiting

[chilly vine]

our plan rn is to basically make a modular frame factory, because oh my god ts is expensive

[rough crest]

y i remember those they were though at the beginning

[chilly vine]

yeah yeah

[rough crest]

but if you think those are hard actually there is another 2 versions of frames that make from those ahahah

the depth is insane

[dense violet]

it's not bad https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=HOYxjrceWyAsUHDbG2fo

[rough crest]

our save has just reached 300h

[dense violet]

120 ore to 5 frames pm easily

[rough crest]

of course ty to dedicated

[chilly vine]

im "only" 55 hours into the game, i've played before, for like 30 hours, but our server was laggin a lot, so we dropped the game, but last week i bought the game and is workin fine

[rough crest]

this is my first playthrough and we have ~80 hours of actual play and as i said 300 hours of save so 220 hours of afk

and we about to finish phase 4 this afternoon so idk if that's good or bad i guess decent

[chilly vine]

the nodes we are using to do the modular frames are like divided to make other things

[rough crest]

problably i could redo in half the time tbf tho cause i had to learn all the game mechanics in the meantime

[rough crest]

i really don't recommend this

[dense violet]

yup , go find some more nodes. That's like half the game

[rough crest]

just go from raw ores to something and that's it

[dense violet]

you can also just merge the reinforced plates and things you're already making

[rough crest]

if you need another product start again from raw ores

[dense violet]

unlock smart splitters and over flow extras into containers

[chilly vine]

we are doing that, we are using another node just to make reinforced, and another one to the steel factory, but we are going to E X P A N D

[rough crest]

if you think like this the game is easier

cause otherwise it's a headache

[dense violet]

make sure you research everything you can in the MAM

[rough crest]

my friend thinks this is unnecessary cause he thinks i waste time starting from scratch again but that is the only correct way to expand sustainably and now he kind of gets it

[chilly vine]

this friend last night was doing some REAL research, like he did a lot of them

[dense violet]

try to get your hands through all the stuff they did too - the milestones are basically a tutorial you don't want to miss out on skills

[rough crest]

i basically did 0 research in MAM is that a problem as well

but i did all the milestones

[fluid sapphire]

well, its not the only way depending on how you interpret it, you can make intermediate products at different locations and haul those around

[rough crest]

and we have everything in MAM (almost)

also i have no gun he has like a rifle

[dense violet]

the MAM has some of hte most important things in the game

[chilly vine]

i'll search how they work, we need to make more factories to specific things

but thanks for the advices guys

[rough crest]

y when he unlocked cloud storage it made it way easier for me

now we about to max upload speed he's looking for more spheres

capacity is maxed

i basically upload every resource i produce lol

[chilly vine]

im kinda new into factory games

[dense violet]

I mean you want to get all the equipement inthe mam too, and clocking

clocking is the most important part of the game

[hybrid kestrel]

is there a better way to set up the aluminium production that isn't jumpstarting it with a bunch of water & then underclocking the water production once its running?

[rough crest]

recycle water from the other recipe you get most of it back

watch a video on how to do it cause i have no clue still mine runs pretty slow

but i have like 12 of them so idk for now

[hybrid kestrel]

yeah im doing 288 solution/pm which turns back into 144 water/pm so i only need 96 water coming in afterwards

[dense violet]

pinged you in other channel

[hybrid kestrel]

so i was just going to blast it with a bit of water til its working

[stark summit]

Sink the water through alt recipe Wet Concrete

[hybrid kestrel]

sweet that makes sense thank u

[dense violet]

no prob! just clock things so you don't have to merge the waste and fresh, that can cause huge flow issues

saves you from having to do things like wet concrete as well

[rough crest]

i need to find that recipe

[stark summit]

Time to go explorin'.

[dense violet]

its fine for concrete, bit of a waste to sink water though

[stark summit]

it's "wasteful" but it's also easier.

[hybrid kestrel]

yeah i'll send a quick pic how ive set it up for the meantime

since i only have 1 node atm

[dense violet]

if you resuse the water you use less water, less extractors and you don't have to set up wet concrete or bring in limestone
how is that easier?

[rough crest]

my friend will find them

i sit in base

[stark summit]

My brain says it is. So I say it is.

[dense violet]

there's diagrams to do all the work for you too #1286300794311938099 message

[fluid sapphire]

not me out here using 3000 byproduct water to make pure ingots

[stark summit]

Wet concrete = no thoughts, head empty. I have to think a little for recycling water. I want to save my CPU cycles for other logistics.

[stark summit]

Big brain maneuver here.

[fluid sapphire]

turns out those ingots are useful

[rough crest]

i feel you bro

52/100 pasta come on base come on

[stark summit]

Also, extra pipe logistics? For fun? Nah.

[fluid sapphire]

would have taken me 2 weeks instead of 4 weeks to build my aluminum setup though if i hadnt done that

[rough crest]

nobody will beat my spaghetti for aluminum i will send a screenshot

if i have to touch that i think i have to destroy and rebuild from scratch lol

[elder cedar]

thank you bro, i will use this. saved me so much

[dense violet]

OC super computer is a very resource heavy recipe just to warn you

[fluid sapphire]

that it is

the cost of simplicity

[elder cedar]

i think i will somersloop it to make the most of it

[stark summit]

Save 2 sloops too

[dense violet]

only in that one step - it effectively adds the coolers and radio parts on top of t he basic recipes

[dense violet]

it stil uses much more advanced parts tossed in. A TON of work

[fluid sapphire]

i just used this recipe to consolidate them with other stuff i was already making

[dense violet]

this only uses 2 resource types https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=0IHeeTEIDKQnhTXGxD10

[elder cedar]

yeah the fact it makes the additional turbo motors and stuff is really nice because i need that too

[elder cedar]

thats really nice too

[dense violet]

it's caterium heavy, you can change that up to crystal instead if you want with other alt recipes

[elder cedar]

yeah im working on high speed connectors right now, holy every next thing i do its just so much more work

[dense violet]

that spreads the resource cost out over other types

[stark summit]

So much work? Or... so much FUN!

[mild wadi]

i love this game

[dense violet]

just combine caterium and oil and you spit out HSCs 😛

[elder cedar]

i dont mind the factory building but having belts span over 600m is what gets at me.

[fluid sapphire]

i like high speed connectors, what a fun product

[stark summit]

Those are rookie numbers /s

[elder cedar]

having to collect up 1800 caterium

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yHenzSoKnoGviRjIyuaY

[fluid sapphire]

you can try fused quickwire instead

[elder cedar]

then i need 2800 copper god dam

[fluid sapphire]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yDJyJo4lQt51DuBtwXnk

[stark summit]

Those are some better numbers. Good job!

[elder cedar]

oh you use quartz too

[fluid sapphire]

yes sir

[rough crest]

whny am i sitting here making pasta with only 600/min copper actually you made me realize

oh wait no power i that's why i can't run another accelerator

i need nuclear

[stark summit]

have you investigated rocket fuel?

[elder cedar]

yeah i just made it yesterday, making 550 rocket fuel for gens

praying it doesnt fail later when i look at the power poles

[dusky zodiac]

hey guys, I am on phase 4 and I have just built mega factory which produces:

• magnetic field generators
• fused modular frames
• turbo motors
• radio control units
• cooling systems.

I have stable energy power plant and now I am wondering on which items should I focus to build factories for them, I was thinking about super computers maybe.

[elder cedar]

made 200 into packaged rocket fuel, for drones. its quite a lot tho

[earnest condor]

Imagine automating Project Parts.

[stark summit]

ok, so you made a bunch of rocket fuel. Now make moar.

[rough crest]

i did

isn't that correct?

[stark summit]

After you finish, it's tons of sink points. Not a bad plan.

[rough crest]

just at a very slow rate

[earnest condor]

There is no "correct" in this game.

[dense violet]

this is a fun combo https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=vRKlDHOxIGJmdqYw7dqi

combo it with crystal computer

[rough crest]

wait you are a genius my stuff is sitting idle

[earnest condor]

I already get tons of points from the sheer volume of everything else I make + hunting.

In 8 years I have never once automated them and I most likely never will.

[stark summit]

Have you gotten the Golden Nut statue yet?

[earnest condor]

Which time?

[stark summit]

Gooooood.

[rough crest]

this game been out 8 years?????

[earnest condor]

Highest I've gotten in a single run was 5.

[stark summit]

Early access.

[earnest condor]

+Early Early Access when it was EPIC exclusive for a year.

[bitter lodge]

Sounds like you got mk3 miners? Just not the things needed to make them automated?

[dusky zodiac]

yea I have mk3 miners, this parts are mainly for completing phase 4. I am just wondering which items should I make automated besides super computers.

[south sinew]

automate ALL the things

[dusky zodiac]

also phase items?

[south sinew]

they are things so yes

[stark summit]

Not required, but recommended.

Note: I rarely do until final phase. (~4k hours)

[south sinew]

you need the p1 parts for all future parts etc and in total it's thousands of them so automating them is worth I think

just automate them once when you unlock them and then never worry again

[white anvil]

anyone else playing on exsperimental? if so can you check if when you de rail a train and put it back then demolish it if your game lags/ crashes?

[fluid sapphire]

known issue already

if you want to know about anyone else experiencing stuff like that the qa site is the place to go

[white anvil]

ok good thought my game was corrupted or something

[fluid sapphire]

no, thats just the risk you take playing on EXP

[dusky zodiac]

okay so for an instance, when I am automating end phase/4th phase item it is okay to use already an automated complex item like, fused modular frames and transport part of them to another factory to not make them again?

[white anvil]

i am not complaining its just that i wanted to make sure it wasent my pc doing something

[south sinew]

I sure did

as long as you have enough production total it will work out

[fluid sapphire]

thats a common strategy for complex products

as long as you plan it properly it works great

[dusky zodiac]

okay, also what's the recommended amount per minute for complex item to not worry in the future? Now for those items I did 10 per minute

[fluid sapphire]

there really isnt one

[white anvil]

i always do several factorys only produceiong 1 time and trains transporting what i need to where i need it

[fluid sapphire]

you cant know without actually planning it out

[rough crest]

i recommend going from end product and backwards not from starting product and forward

so if you want x/min of a end product you can calculate everything backwards up until raw resources

[white anvil]

just make it easy to scale up thats my stragegi

[dusky zodiac]

okay, thanks!

[fluid sapphire]

i would suggest, as also suggested above, look at the things downstream of what you are producing, whats needed and decide your targets from that, essentially as always, start from the end product

trying to guess is almost a sure way to shoot yourself in the foot and have to make more later anyway

[rough crest]

im planning a 600/min uranium -> 6 rod/min -> 75GW plant and in that case i wanted to see how i could make the most out of a single uranium node so for power i guess you can think in the opposite way but for products never like this

that was my thought process approaching the game

[fluid sapphire]

power has no downstream logistics

[rough crest]

also i didnt even have to plan this a kind guy shared a project with everything set so i just get to build it for fun

with no math

82/100 pasta come on!!!

i wanna see tier 9

[stark summit]

Tier 9 is unique to say the least.

[fluid sapphire]

only like 7 minutes, take it easy

[rough crest]

i am making 1/min had to remove overclock

my batteries are dead

[somber fiber]

if my pipe has fluid but 0 flow rate, does that mean I need another pump?

[fluid sapphire]

you have your work cut out for you in phase 5 in that case

[rough crest]

i need to fix a lot of stuff for phase 5 im just cheesing it atm

[white dawn]

Pumps just provide "head lift," which is what lets you move fluids upwards. If your pipe's got no flow rate (and no liquid) because it's too high, then yeah, a pump might help. If all your pipes are on the same level, though, pumps aren't what you're looking for. :)

[dense violet]

show some overhead images in #math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533

[somber fiber]

yeah will do, something's weird here

[rough crest]

right now my base is a big clump of stuff with little space for expansion and also im at the edge of the map so nodes are scarce

i want to make smaller factories and then interconnect them with each other to really become rich

this base has served me well tho cause we were able to rush the entire game

and unlock everything

[deft lance]

Is there a wiki thats best? I think there's a fandom wiki and .wiki and I know games generally have a best one

[fluid sapphire]

understandable, i also kinda vibed my way through the entire phase 4 milestones

[solid eagle]

Hello
Is there a website/channel that has a lot of useful blueprints to use?

[fluid sapphire]

fandom is outdated hot garbage

wikigg is the official wiki

[deft lance]

Thank you friendo

[dense violet]

the most useful bps you'll have are ones you make to fit your needs

[chrome whale]

Which of these recipes would you pick - fused wiring/pure caterium ingot, rigor motor/encased industrial pipe, copper rotor/silicon high speed, automated miner/plastic smart plating, iron alloy ingot/automated speeed wiring, insulated cable/silicon circuit board, adhered iron plate/flexible framework, fused quickwire/coated iron plate. Currently I have bolted frame, steeled frame, wet concrete, recycled plastics and heavy oil residue

[dense violet]

pick whatever you think you might use for yoru next factory

all alt recipes are useful

[white dawn]

Flip some coins! Alt recipes are all at least situationally useful, and you can acquire all recipes in the game

[fluid sapphire]

or let them sit there until you need one in particular

[white dawn]

Recipes aren't bad/good, they're just "suitable for this situation" or "not suitable for this situation," and we've got no way of knowing what your current situation is

[chrome whale]

Are they? I mean charcoal for instance seems almost useless

[white dawn]

(I'll still vehemently disagree with the "let them sit there" advice for new players. Just redeem and move on -- if you can't decide on one recipe now, you're gonna have a harder time deciding on twenty recipes later on)

[fluid sapphire]

well, you decide one at a time not all at once

[white dawn]

Charcoal and Biocoal are indeed two of the most niche recipes in the game, since they use resources that can't be fully automated. Even they have their fans who find them useful, though! :)

[solid eagle]

Aren't there some universal ones?

[white dawn]

I admit that that those are two which I always skip, personally. :D

[rough crest]

98/100 we are here

[dense violet]

there's generalist and specialist recipes

[dense violet]

but basically all recipe's values depends on all the other recipes you use too

[rough crest]

what is the best copper recipe

[dense violet]

also charcoal/biocoal are useful for temp production lines, like ammunition you don't need on all the time

or you can make Uranium Rods out of Pig meant with bio coal

[dense violet]

define 'best'

I use Alloy

[rough crest]

most amount of copper at expense of everything else

[dense violet]

probably leached. One I never use

[chrome whale]

Must say that I really enjoy using recycled plastics, heavy oil residue and wet concrete

[rough crest]

with least amount of actual copper ore

[leaden turret]

There's only one wiki.

The other thing is an abandoned ad-laden trash fire

[fluid sapphire]

i think thats a key aspect of choosing recipes, you dont really look at them in isolation but rather in the context of a production chain in conjunction with other recipes

[rough crest]

im shipping phase 4 ggs

[white dawn]

!wikisearch copper ingot