satisfactory

[nimble linden]

i know 😆 i mean T5/6 So tutorial

[earnest condor]

All of my saves are on 1.2 🙁

[sick falcon]

why can’t we make copper heat sinks isn’t it better than aluminum at conducting heat

[earnest condor]

Heat Sink takes Copper Sheet, no?

[sick falcon]

i don’t remember lwk

[nimble linden]

@earnest condor wanna hop on and help me

🙂

[earnest condor]

There's one, and only 1 scenario in which I will ever do multiplayer on this game.
And you do not meet that criteria, sorry.

[nimble linden]

🙁

[earnest condor]

5 ASheet + 3 CSheet = 1 Heat Sink is the base recipe.

[shrewd palm]

75HMF factory begins tonight

hopefully i can get the shell done

[earnest condor]

Anyway. Free from the restriction of Project Parts, you are now able to build whatever you want, wherever you want. Please share your permanent locations when you do them!!

[earnest condor]

Only 75? 😏

[shrewd palm]

would be higher but i highkey dont want to make that much nuclear pasta

[earnest condor]

Who said anything about pasta?

[shrewd palm]

im using it like

70/30 for pasta and space elevator parts for phase 5

[earnest condor]

135 is because I want 45 going to storage and 90 going to FMFs.
90 FMFs is because I want 45 going to storage, and 45 going to PCCs.
😄

[shrewd palm]

although i guess the pasta is also a space elevator part eventually

[fathom yacht]

thanks! I haven't been building with aesthetics in mind so far, maybe it's time to think about making things pretty
and also the factory must grow of course

[earnest condor]

I have never and probably will never automate Project Parts.

[earnest condor]

Everything prior to the mk6 belt in my world is "Scheduled for eventual deletion." 😄

[shrewd palm]

i want to get them done so that i can have a decent supply of tickets

[earnest condor]

There's what I build for progression which is a lot of blueprinting.
And there is what I build for permanence which has no BPs involved at all 😄

[shrewd palm]

should hopefully get enough for all the trophies by the time ive finished up the save after the project parts

[frosty sedge]

I finally finished my 100 computer factory

[earnest condor]

Tickets? That's what the 135 HMFs are for 😉

[icy crag]

is anyone elses game just crashing on startup

[earnest condor]

Nope.
Can make a #1038092680493801533 ticket with the crash log if you want though.

[icy crag]

ah okay thank you

[earnest condor]

People will be able to help you if it is a known issue.

[icy crag]

gotcha

[wild phoenix]

Yeah but it’s like « low disk space » and only when I also have warthunder open

The trick is to not have both open

👍

[icy crag]

lol

[shrewd palm]

war thunder is the problem here

[icy crag]

ill empty my pc and see

[shrewd palm]

as someone who is like 8 months clean war thunder is absolutely the problem

[wild phoenix]

No no

It’s the disk space

Tbh I only go on now for the daily

[hard wolf]

I'm kind of surprised the heat sink recipe doesn't include water for the heat pipe

[shrewd palm]

cluster nobelisks my beloved

[earnest condor]

Ok, I think I found a spot where Heavy Flexible actually slaps.

[hard wolf]

in a nuclear power plant that's already got a plubber cluster? xwx (I haven't tried it yet and I'm already using 2.2k crude, though)

[earnest condor]

#screenshots you can crank over 20/min out of that little spot.

[sick falcon]

is that the desert canyon

[earnest condor]

It's technically not?
It's the transition biome between Canyon, DD, NF, and Titan 😄

Also, I had forgotten how much greeny's Tools hates Iron Alloy 😄

It would rather redistribute and recalculate the entirety of all oil logistics than admit "Hey, there is free, unused copper nearby" 😄

[floral sparrow]

Do you folks prefer setting up oil on the west coast or in the southeastern crater at tier 5 if you start in the grassy planes?

[earnest condor]

GF start usually leads to the Islands on the west because it's a straight shot for the most part and you don't have to deal with terrain.

[floral sparrow]

Darn, I'm already half set up in the crater because it's atmospheric so I feel invested, hah. Will probably stay there for now

[hard wolf]

the southeastern crater is really good. it's got nitrogen, coal, and sulfur nearby which is necessary for rocket fuel, and is pretty easy to build up to packaged ionized fuel for vehicles once necessary, as bauxite isn't far

[undone rain]

i normally wouldnt ask this but i cannot seem to figure trains and their signals, ive tried watching vids and such and i still dont understand how they work, if someone wouldnt mind helping me figure out this one annoying issue id appreciate it, plz dm me or something. im losing my mind

[earnest condor]

Can I give you something to read first? After which feel free to dm me?

[undone rain]

uh sure

[earnest condor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/qgy9z0/signal_logic_rules/

Posted this the day Signals were added to the game... somehow video people still manage to screw it up 😭

[hard wolf]

I found that putting signals in front of and behind each station helped, as well as a block signals at the entrance of the station input junction and the output of the exit junction. also path signals can get borked if you put them right on the part of the rail splits off, so it's best to move them back a bit. it could also be that a rail isn't connected properly somewhere

[undone rain]

ive read this and i guess im too stupid to understand it, unfortunately im more hands on and such so word guides are my weakness

[earnest condor]

Welp, send me a picture of what you're trying to do and I will do my best.

I have yet to be defeated by a signalling puzzle.

This is going to be the largest Phase 3 HMF temp build I have ever done 😄

[hard wolf]

in the spot™?

[earnest condor]

Yeah.

I'm limited by the mk4 belt restricting me to 960 total iron.
But I can still get 22.5/min out of it.

[hard wolf]

drone HMF shipment network :3

[obtuse hearth]

dude the jump from coal to oil power is genuinely crazy 😭 🥀 built like 3 coal powerplants just to have one oil powerplant get like 5x the power

[earnest condor]

Oh I have a whole plan when I get to the "start" for where my permanent HMF outpost goes.

This is just temp.

[shrewd palm]

wait until you see nuclear and/or rocket fuel

[obtuse hearth]

gonna work on rocket fuel as soon as i get the bottles for them 😭

i think thats all im missing

so close to phase 4 🙏🏻

almost 50 hours into this run tho 😭

[shrewd palm]

breakneck pace

im at 190 hours in this save and just got to phase 5

[placid stirrup]

bottles

[cursive topaz]

Dang bro

I’m at 280 and 1% into phase 4

[hard wolf]

it's a fantastic power source if you don't wanna wait, especially with the heavy oil residue, diluted fuel, and nitro rocket fuel alts

I forgot that the research requires empty fluid tanks :/

[earnest condor]

Diluted into baseline RF into Ionized though 😉

[hard wolf]

I need those sloops for my nucleat plant :c

[obtuse hearth]

it just sucks that theyre so rare 😭

i explore for an hour and like 12

[earnest condor]

There's 106 in total. 3 needed for unlocks, so 103 usable.

And making them limited is the best decision they made. Because it forces players to think about where specifically they want to use them.

[hard wolf]

I have to limit myself to 83 in the plant so I can make 2 augmenters, and currently I need 84 :/ I was hoping to have a few extra for dna capsule production

[earnest condor]

I think I will make one augmenter just to have one for aesthetics.
Will probably dedicate the rest to specific production lines, but have not decided on those yet.

I have 38/103 allocated with that single augmenter.

[obtuse hearth]

they look so cool it sucks that it uses the one unrenewable resource 😭

[earnest condor]

I mean, if you need more than one and you're purely doing it for decoration and not for the infinite power stacking -- no one would begrudge you giving yourself more somers with AGS.

[obtuse hearth]

if it was just for aesthetics i would just not connect it to a power grid

if u cheat in the somer i mean 😭

i wish there was other games like satisfactory and factorio

so far those are the only two factory games ive played and idk any others

[earnest condor]

CRUST is another early-access one that I have been enjoying.

It's about mining the Moon 😄

[hard wolf]

factorio looks really cool but I'm put off by the limited resources :/

[obtuse hearth]

ohhh that sounds fun ill check it out

[obtuse hearth]

IT MAKES IT SO MUCH MORE FUN I PROMISE

[earnest condor]

Factorio lost me in the first 10 minutes tbh.

[obtuse hearth]

the biters make the game so much more fun imo

[severe tendon]

Hey. I just joined this discord.
How is this community towards new players?

[west jackal]

oh thats smart asf

nice

[warped whale]

Burn the interloper!

[obtuse hearth]

LMAO

[earnest condor]

"Here's a miner, you can use it to mine coal. You can also use coal to power it."

Me: Ok, so if I have it mine coal and just split the output so part of it goes back to power the miner itself it will run continuously.

Factorio: LOL NO.

Satisfactory: Hey, autominers take no fuel and the power system for regular miners makes sense.

Me: Satisfactory it is!

[earnest condor]

Welcoming unless you give the impression you want other people here to just play the game for you instead of exploring it yourself.

Then it can kind of turn into a bunch of "Just play the game..." replies.

[obtuse hearth]

thats because its a coal burner 😭

you can put a coal burner into a coal burner for it to fuel itsself

[earnest condor]

Literally runs on coal if I input it by hand.
Also has a belt input slot.
But for some reason if you belt the coal into it -- nope. 🤷‍♂️

Anyway, I upgraded to the clearly superior factory game 😏

[obtuse hearth]

if you get an electic inserter you can input the coal you get from the miner

or just get an electric miner

[obtuse hearth]

id say both games have their ups and downs

[earnest condor]

There is nothing you can say to convince me to try it again, sorry 😄

[obtuse hearth]

satisfactory has more content and factorio has an infinite world so you can just keep progressing as long as you can expand without dying to biters

[worn oar]

Astroneer?

[obtuse hearth]

thats why satisfactory feels off because i thought the world was randomly generated or had a bigger map

[leaden turret]

factorio has no up, is 2d 🥁

[earnest condor]

I don't want randomized content though 🤷‍♂️

[leaden turret]

reality is enough RNG 😛

[severe tendon]

Thank you
So are people open to co-op game play here then?

[earnest condor]

#1201555265942724758 if you want that specifically.

[obtuse hearth]

just gets repetitive playing the same map over and over

[leaden turret]

game is not built for competitive play, so is co-op by default

[earnest condor]

@severe tendon I do highly recommend you complete your first run of the game solo.

[obtuse hearth]

same loot spots, same ore spawns, same everything

[leaden turret]

1. you can deliberately not employ any foreknowledge
2. you can play 1.2

[earnest condor]

Been playing for 8 years. Have yet to hit this "repetitive" you speak of.

[hard wolf]

more planets :3

[leaden turret]

1. 
2. 
3. repeat

[earnest condor]

It is more feasible to just make Satis 2 at that point.

[leaden turret]

game has only explored one relatively small island/continent on one planet, don't need other planets.

[severe tendon]

@earnest condor @leaden turret
Thanks for your insight into the community

[earnest condor]

💛

[hard wolf]

but interplanetary travel is cool and there's already a ||huge ship platform||. seems like a waste to not use it x3

[leaden turret]

FICSIT does not waste the opportunity to continue exploiting the same planet.

[quick hound]

It’s ASStroneer, get it right

[hard wolf]

what about all the other planets we see in the sky? is it less efficient to exploit them?

[quick hound]

FICSIT only has permits for that planet

[leaden turret]

who says they're not exploiting them?

[quick hound]

FICSIT: If you are not exploiting the planet to its fullest, you are not saving the puppies and children.

[leaden turret]

other clones pioneers

[hard wolf]

would we be able to manufacture ficsonium if there were any jurisdiction present?

[hard wolf]

But diluted fuel power plant on a planet where the oceans are crude oil and water has to be extracted from the air :c

[leaden turret]

Satisfactory: Tank Girl DLC

[cursive topaz]

Guys I did such a good job hiding my illegal items that I can’t find them again

[earnest condor]

What do you mean "illegal"?

[cursive topaz]

Quantity’s of items the player shouldn’t have

[earnest condor]

?

[cursive topaz]

And cus you can’t sink them, I had to hid them

[earnest condor]

The only limited items are somers and mercers.

And there are a couple hundred mercers, so those are never in short supply.

[cursive topaz]

Yep properly hid them

I know the area

I just can’t find them exactly

Which I guess means I did what I was trying to do well

[hard wolf]

sloops iirc

[earnest condor]

Yeah they still haven't clarified 🙁

[cursive topaz]

Who is they

[earnest condor]

You.

[cursive topaz]

I am singular not plural

[austere tinsel]

All reports of unexploited resources should be forwarded to the FICSIT Corporate Hotline. We guarantee the best Tip-FICSIT ticket ratio anywhere in the galaxy.

-# Guarantee not guaranteed.

[earnest condor]

Yes, but "they" is the gender-neutral term for unknowns.

[cursive topaz]

Bro guy is in my name, you have a near 100% chance of being right

[earnest condor]

I am not your bro.

[austere tinsel]

Thou is they until thee clarifies. Tis' normal.

[cursive topaz]

Thee would have been more appropriate

[hard wolf]

would you rather get yelled at for making an assumption or not get yelled at at all for not making an assumption? (which is usually how that works)

[leaden turret]

get thee to thou point

[cursive topaz]

I don’t subscribe to that woke stuff, so like just use old English

[earnest condor]

Well.. it is called Discord, not "Harmony" 😛

[cursive topaz]

I can’t find my box

It’s annoying

[hard wolf]

woke mentioned 👀

[leaden turret]

ah, person complaining about the woke, ass-clowns aren't welcome here

blocks the clown

[hard wolf]

as someone who likes listening to and performing metal and experimental electronic music, discord can be beautiful :3

[austere tinsel]

That’s uh, not woke lol.

They as a non-personable identifier has been used for over a hundred years.

[earnest condor]

Was moreso poking at the "you'll get yelled at by a disgruntled party either way" definition of the word 😄

[cursive topaz]

Yo yo yo yo yo yo yo

I got cast screws

CAST SCREWEWWWWWWWS

[hard wolf]

the unfortunate state of a world where rich people find profit in sowing hate, fear, separation, and conflict in the masses :(

[earnest condor]

Eh. Algorithms have proven it is what people prefer too.

Like when they first started, the FB algorithms sole focus was "get engagement." And within days it was taught by the general population that "We engage more with things that make us argue about stuff."

People apparently would rather be angry than happy 🤷‍♂️

[leaden turret]

angry poopin leads to hemorrhoids.

poop calmly, fewer problems with assholes.

[austere tinsel]

I think people are drawn to discourse, not necessarily anger in itself.

You’ll see similar levels of engagement in complex topics that are handled in a positive light.

It’s just easier to cause intellectual discourse through cheap anger.

[hard wolf]

I think they feed into each other, like plubber

[leaden turret]

-# ouroborosian sphincters

[hard wolf]

true 😭

[earnest condor]

Recycled Discourse loop 👀

[hollow geyser]

Man making a circle with rails around the whole dune desert map takes so much resources

[earnest condor]

Good thing resources are infinite 😉

[hard wolf]

making HOR and feeding it into diluted fuel and recycled plastic/rubber and using the polymer resin and water to make residual plastic/rubber to also feed the recycled plastic/rubber and then using smart splitters and priority mergers to insure that the feedback loop takes care of itself and prioritizes the residual plastic/rubber machines is the best way to supply a factory that needs significant quantities of both and anyone who disagrees is (this next word is really important) probably wrong

it really cuts down on crude oil requirements :3

[cursive topaz]

I want to know which dev thought it was ok to make an irradiated stinger

That is pure nightmare fuel

[hard wolf]

oh no, the scariest stinger I've seen is still a gas stinger 😱

the gas cloud smoke screen is pretty badass, though xwx

[cursive topaz]

The stinger in general needs to just be deleted

[earnest chasm]

am trying to run a few test to see how many batteries i will need on a Test_save file is their a way I can give myself batteries in my inventory using a console command?

[cursive topaz]

Did you enable creative mode when you started the save?

[cursive topaz]

Or whatever it’s called before 1.2

[latent prawn]

advanced game settings

without going to all that trouble, you might just want to buy a few stacks from the awesome shop

all that being said, batteries aren't very good fuel

[earnest chasm]

OOOO yes i didn't think of that at all thanks

[latent prawn]

i wish the game had a better readout on drone fuel. what exists now is dreadful.

[cursive topaz]

Is there a console command that kills the player I’m stuck in a hyper tube loop and I can’t get to the pause menu cus I’m in a loop and it’s bad

[earnest chasm]

respawd

[latent prawn]

in the escape main menu, there's a respawn button

[cursive topaz]

I couldn’t get to it

Like the loop was a cannon that I mistakenly got into and it shot me out right back into it

I wasn’t finished with it ofc

[hard wolf]

I've negotiated the nuclear plant up to 6300 SAM but hopefully down to ~81 sloops

[minor cedar]

Yo guys why can i not write the letter M on my to do list

[hard wolf]

I kinda wanna free up another 10, though

[minor cedar]

it just opens the map every time

cant write space either cuz it jumps instead of writing space actually

even tho i see the typing cursor on i

[thorny oriole]

tips for nuclear?

[normal orbit]

build it :p

[hard wolf]

I'm literally swimming in nuclear logistics rn, but that's bc I'm trying to use all of the nodes at 100%

I guess you can simplify it by not using alts for the plutonium line? satisfactory modeler is your friend

I just wish it didn't take like 10 to 20 minutes to sort itself out at this point (there's a lot there. it works really quickly most of the time)

[craggy umbra]

building or logistics/factory planning?

[normal orbit]

its not really simpler to not use alts. some alts actually make it simpler, like encased uranium cells

[thorny oriole]

planning

[normal orbit]

only recipe i'd stay away from is fertile uranium

[hard wolf]

fair. that was the wrong use of the word. it lowers the plutonium waste output and SAM input which is easier to work with

[craggy umbra]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production this is your best friend. if you're a new player use the other calculator so you can see the pictures of the machines

[hard wolf]

I'm using that 😭

[thorny oriole]

thanks

[normal orbit]

so you're increasing plutonium waste :p

at cost of uranium power

[craggy umbra]

yeah i think i only used 2 alt recipes in my entire setup

[hard wolf]

tools if for autogenerating factories but it doesn't handle nuclear well. modeler is for plotting it out yourself in a way that's 10x easier than doing all of the math but not as convenient as tools

[normal orbit]

alts can more then double the power output from same amount of uranium ore. but it will require more advanced materials

[hard wolf]

I'm trying to squeeze as much as I can out of these nodes. it's the most efficient usage of uranium ore on paper, as far as I've found

[normal orbit]

is not

[hard wolf]

it is if I want to make as many plutonium rods as possible and sink what I can't convert to ficsonium

[normal orbit]

it makes more plutonium rods, at the cost of uranium rods. more plutonium is more expensive to process and yields less power overall

[craggy umbra]

i thought converting waste to plutonium was pretty simple

isn't it like 3 overclocked pure nodes for the power boost?

not even

[normal orbit]

it is, its the plutonium waste to ficsonium which is expensive

[craggy umbra]

sorry looking at the wrong thing

was looking at ficsonium

i'm making 8 uranium fuel rods per minute which goes into 2 plutonium and 10 ficsonium if i did my math right

ficsonium only needs 2 direct resource inputs but it needs a lot of both

it's a sam guzzler

[normal orbit]

ficsonium needs singularity cells, DMR, electromagnetic control rods, ficsite trigons

[craggy umbra]

ye

if you're producing that stuff elsewhere it's only 2 direct resource inputs

[normal orbit]

singularity cells and trigons being quite expensive to make

[hard wolf]

ohmygod I think you fixed it and I love you 😭

I've spent days trying to sort this out :c

[craggy umbra]

got your nuclear fixed up?

[normal orbit]

most power route on nuclear is: infused cells -> U fuel units -> non fissile uranium -> instant cells -> Pu fuel units -> ficsonium. 2100 Uranium makes 50.4 U rods, 22.4 Pu Rods, 112 Ficsonium rods. Requires 20 sloops on the trigons, otherwise quite doable.

makes 1470GW all in all.

[craggy umbra]

i don't even wanna think about how long it'd take me to build that factory

[hard wolf]

it looked like this earlier xwx #screenshots message now it kinda looks like my profile which is giving me inspiration to build a giant woman opening herself up to the factory inputs and I'm probably going to do that, which is why it's important to have a metric ton of concrete feeding into your depots

[normal orbit]

what took longest was the water extractors and piping, did it before autoconnect was a thing :D

[craggy umbra]

sorry a what

[craggy umbra]

I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET AUTOCONNECT TO WORK YET 😭 IN 700 HOURS 😭

maybe i'm just completely missing something but i've never gotten it to work

i would've loved it for my rocket fuel plant

genuinely took me 40 hours to build

[normal orbit]

you just change build mode to auto connect and click

[craggy umbra]

is

is that it

hold on

[hard wolf]

autoconnect made my transcontenintal rail loop ridiculously easy

[hard wolf]

far north of the belt, if that helps. I don't wanna explain too much x.x

[craggy umbra]

i have default straight and curve

[normal orbit]

you have to use a blueprint, not a belt

[craggy umbra]

ah okie

idk why i never thought to change the build modes on my belts and pipes before

it just did not occur to me that that was an option

[craggy umbra]

will junctions connect or only open pipes

[normal orbit]

pipe supports snap

so you need to make a lil pipe stump

[craggy umbra]

oh my god

that's what it was this entire time

i was trying to snap junctions without the pipe ends sticking out

[normal orbit]

same with belts

[craggy umbra]

i might actually cry

i could've saved so many hours of my life

[hard wolf]

learn, adapt, grow :3

[craggy umbra]

cry, sob, cry more

[hard wolf]

which is why you should ask for help xwx just leave belt/pipe stubs at the inputs of your bp's and it should autoconnect properly. you can do that more easlily by building out the belt/pipe connection to the edge and delete the belt/pipe support before it (I know this has been said already, but sometimes hearing it a different way compounds with the other and makes more sense)

[craggy umbra]

no i'm definitely gonna remember 😭

insane how you can go hundreds of hours in a game and not understand the simplest mechanics LMAO

[rigid wedge]

does anyone know if its possible to tell satisfactory modeler to take the 80 water output from the blender back in to the input?

[hollow hemlock]

it is possible, but you have to make sure you can balance the equations or the modeler will fail to find a solution

or give it an out, a sink, a priority splitter, something like that

[hard wolf]

feeding to a depot at a rate of exactly the excess usually works ime

all of my machines currently say 0 atm, though :c

[bronze loom]

question - say I have a miner with a mining speed of 300/min but mk3 belts exporting at 270/min. Is my production speed limited to the 270/min of my belts or the miner speed?

[rigid wedge]

it seems like splitter takes fluids too

[hard wolf]

the belt. mk3's can only do 270/m

[rigid wedge]

#screenshots message

[bronze loom]

gotcha, thank you!

[hard wolf]

I've come to the realization that quartz purification/distilled silica is very difficult to work with in modeler. I'm trying to use it in my nuclear factory, and I think your best bet at this point is to connect the quartz and silica in different lines, figuring out what makes the most overflow, and outputting the exact overflow number into a depot and remembering that that output is either going to feed into a sink or to a different factory, or both

[bronze loom]

what about if I have 2 miners - 135 mining speed each (unpure node). if I merge them with a merger and use mk3 belts would I essentially be exporting at 270/min?

[hard wolf]

135 * 2 = 270, so yeah, that works

[bronze loom]

thanks! learning the satisfactory math lol so much fun for some reason

[rigid wedge]

it works tho?

looks a bit sus but internally it works

[hard wolf]

I got a TI nspire CX II for school and the only place it's doing numbers is in satisfactory 😭 I absolutely 100% suggest it for this game holy fuck it's so nice xwx

[hard wolf]

you have to figure out whether it's overproducing quartz or silica and work off of that. otherwise modeler will shit itself

but it (seems to) make a huge amount of quartz and silica

[hard wolf]

this is assuming they haven't put out something more recent/newer/nicer/cheaper

[rigid wedge]

I cant follow?

[bronze loom]

if I expanded manifolds out more than what I can currently produce/mine and limitations for belts, only downside is using more power and being less efficient right? As I speed up my machines and unlock higher tiers, it should catch up if I don't expand more I assume?

[hard wolf]

it's either going to make too much silica or too much quartz. you have to figure out which that is and overflow that number, which is why. up until you have that number you have to have two lines, one feeding in to silica and one feeding in to quartz, like this: #screenshots message

how I wish there was at least exactly at least 5x more SAM output on the map and 128 sloops 😭

[rigid wedge]

i dont wanna be rude but how is that related to splitting the water? im very confused now

[hard wolf]

solution (just a suggestion): bump all of the nodes that aren't uranium ore up by 5x, or add more nodes

who's the community manager rn? I wanna ping them. I know it's a low chance of success, but I wanna try anyway :c

his name is evading me >.< (I blame ADHD)

[hard wolf]

I'm talking about a lot of things rn xwx

[normal orbit]

Mikael and Jason

[hard wolf]

JASON! thank you >w<

the problem is SAM to reanimated SAM :c

[weary gate]

Surely there has to be a console experimental release/program right

so xbox won't have 1.2 for awhile?

[oblique aspen]

Not until it becomes the stable version

[weary gate]

Even when pc has it.

So it has to be stable before it comes to xbox?

When it comes to pc, it'll come to xbox right

never

must have 1.2 right away

right away is too late, It needs to be on xbox yesterday.

[hard wolf]

the wiki has weirdly conflicting advice because it says that ballistic warp drives, AI expansion servers, and assembly director systems are the absolute best items to sink, while silicon circuit boards are the most profitable x.x

[weary gate]

ofc im joking.

[hard wolf]

@obsidian zodiac pwetty pwease with peas on top? xwx

[weary gate]

So when 1.2 comes to pc, it'll be on xbox?

[hard wolf]

I know it's a long shot, but I have to ask, for the sake of pioneers everywhere

[weary gate]

it won't even work on my xbox, I have to stream it.

[weary gate]

💀

[hard wolf]

spread it out more. you deserve the extra space (it's not done, but this is what my nuclear plant looks post rework, and the factory plan that vaguely looks like my profile) #screenshots message

I've spent days on this. how would you fix it?

so you're lazy and I'm trying to minmax the uranium ore output (this isn't a critisizm. you'll probably spend less time than me on sorting out nuclear, which is inherently more efficient) x3c

something something think smarter not harder

you don't suck if you get the job done. that's all that really matters

that sounds low, but I'm on phase 5 rn and won't start until I have my nuclear plant done and have converted the RF plant over to packaged ionized for the drone network as much as I need xwx

[bronze loom]

can I post a screenshot and ask for help in this channel or only the thread channel for questions?

[hard wolf]

no xwx I've reinstalled a bunch of OS's trying to get Linux to work but I still have to have Windows for my music software (to the extent that I'm considering buying a bunch of used parts and building a new machine) >w<

[hard wolf]

#1038092680493801533 is for long term problems. posting a screenshot and linking it to here is for short term problems

ableton, which I've gotten working on linux. the problem is that Serum produces an empty window no matter what I do :c

ableton has a workflow I can't escape. Bitwig doesn't even compare despite being developed by ex ableton devs

[bronze loom]

just trying to figure something out - I have 6 foundry's producing 270 total steel ingots. I want to pipe them into 6 constructors to make 45 steel beams and 60 steel pipes with a manifold. But, since im belting 270 ingots into all 6 constructors, would it be efficient? Or should I split 180 ingots to produce beams. and 120 ingots to produce the pipes?

im just new, trying to figure out the whole efficiency/math thing lol

im on 1.1

[hard wolf]

I got hooked on it bc someone linked a darkstep mix to an SC2 forum post and have been hooked on it ever since. I'm 29 now and electronic music provides such a vastly blank canvas that instrumantal music (in a lot of ways, not all) could never fill m. it's wonderful. it's fantastic. it thins the barrier between sound and human emotion to such an extent that it's better than any drug I could ever take

exactly x3

it's embarassing, but I got into Ableton after pirated Reason because of Skrillex xwx

[bitter silo]

sorry, my bad....

'tis gone

[hard wolf]

Reason is a massive mess, but it's fire as hell >w< especially because of the complex routing. Ableton can do comples routing kinda, but Ableton's routing is a pain point for a lot of people. Reaper is measurably better for that, but it's not as fully featured.

but Reaper's workflow is different enough for me from Ableton's that I can't switch :c (it's mostly the clip/midi editors)

if I had a wall of eurorack modules worth $100k I would probably fussing with that and not messaging on this server, except I would bc community is important and I like being able to talk to people here:3

I'm autistic enough to want to help. and enough to argue against people who want to refute my math >w<

no, but I know jCore ant that's pretty intense

how big? I'm definitely already trying to minmax my uranium ore output to uranium ore input efficiency so that I can get as much as possible out of the nodes

I have everything unlocked. if you can suggest something more efficient than I'm already planning for, I'll probably build it

i deal with information in numbers, not assumptions, and do better with a group of communicators, rather than a group of vigilantes 👉👈

bweh? xwx

I really like most animals. that probably informs my decisions, and probably for the better

I hope I haven't offended you :c

I'm chaotic neutral (probably good leaning tbh xwx) and I want everyone to succeed

wether or not people are willing to realize it, we all lift together (warframe reference)

[minor rock]

hope you send me blessings as i raise awareness for why ai helper in satisfactory is good and needed 🙏 thank you

game too hard tbh

[hard wolf]

one does not simply watch the expanse or read Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds xwx

[twin parcel]

dam , i love turbo blend fuel recipe , dont have to look for coal

i needed a quick supply of turbo fuel , made 600/min turbo fuel . i will come back and redo rocket fuel factory once i have mark 6 belts.

[hard wolf]

nitro rocket fuel + HOR + diluted fuel (you have to unlock the blender and rocket fuel first) can make your power plant a breeze. it's also fairly easy to convert over to ionized packaged fuel as you need

all the resources you need are nearby :3

nitro rocket fuel is fantastic x3

[twin parcel]

nah man i will wait for mark 6 belt

[hard wolf]

though hopefully we aren't overloading you with info xwx

[twin parcel]

who cares , its a temporary set up until im done space elavator phase 4

yea , i need to make another aluminum factory for that .'

[hard wolf]

@twin parcel I rushed setting up a factory to feed the mk6 belt requirements, as well as synthetic power shard production first, and then requirements for late game machines like particle accelerators and accelerators later. it's super worth, and Pasta Town is this (it also feeds a portal network and makes some extra neural, #screenshots message

if it's temporary you can just delete it later, and if you're really that attached you can leave it as a museum (which I'm planning on :c). the best way to improvise is to detach yourself from this game and attach yourself to the meaningful things you learn from it.

[fiery root]

why is ada calling me out for ending myself just to get back to base?

[hard wolf]

because that's fucked up?

as a tiefling main, at least 1 :3

[fiery root]

well i have to admit that u got a point with that

[orchid zinc]

How do you properly feed 16 coal plants with 6 water extractors?

[fiery root]

lots of cpal and lots of water

[orchid zinc]

haha 😄 I mean the math tells me there should be 3 pipes, but im unsure how to fully utilize all the extractors and not bottleneck any pipe

[hard wolf]

3 per 8 plants. one feeding the middle and the other two feeding the edges

[orchid zinc]

How should the pipeing look like? my math says 13.3 on 2 full capacity pipes and then the rest 2.6 on a third pipe?

[tall lantern]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[hard wolf]

this

meow meow mrrp meow mlem mlem nyah xwx

[night umbra]

guys is it possible to split iron into 5 furnaces evenly from one mk3 belt

[tall lantern]

yes, though method depends what exactly you're trying to achieve

the simplest way is the manifold, aka "just hook it up to a line of splitters and it'll balance itself over time"

[hard wolf]

split the line 6 ways, feedoutput 6 back into a merger on the mk3 belt, done

[tall lantern]

that's the perfect split option, though does require that you're not trying to do the full 270

[night umbra]

150 ores

[tall lantern]

then either is fine

[hard wolf]

manifolds are kind of just better except in situations where you have to have a balanced output, like nuclear

[tall lantern]

manifolds are easier, definitely. not as good looking IMO. so "better" as always depends on what you want

[hard wolf]

balanced manifolds > manifolds >load balancers

[night umbra]

alr thank you guys

[dense violet]

Do two groups of 8

[empty bridge]

Hi All. Can you feed the two required ingredients into an assembler from one storage container?

[dense violet]

Realistically ? No

Like you could try to make a bunch of partial stacks in a row that would feed 1 item type at a time so that the cycles would line up ?

But why wouldn’t you just build a second container

[empty bridge]

no worries. thanks

[fluid sapphire]

you could feed them with one belt though, if your math checks out and you have smart splitters

but not from a container :p

[torpid dagger]

kind of wish the base game had longer zoop/wider ones without having to have the mod for it

[reef basin]

well, it's intentionally limited

[fiery root]

i am hyped what phase 3 will bring me

[torpid dagger]

whats the reason for it?

[reef basin]

game flow

back in time we didn't even had zoop and had to place everything manually

[still haven]

This game so addictive 😂😂 how is my save at 14 hours already

[fluid sapphire]

buckle up, only getting started

1300 hours, still on the same save xd

[teal otter]

rookie numbers 🙏 saw someone have like 5k hours on steam reviews

[fluid sapphire]

leo has almost 20k

[teal otter]

thats like 2 and a quarter of a year dawg 😭

what are these people doing 🙏

[fluid sapphire]

dont know, he refuses to elaborate xd

[teal otter]

i wonder if ppl with so many hours have every single ore in the map utilised

[fluid sapphire]

dont think so, consumer grade pcs cant handle that

[teal otter]

fair

[fluid sapphire]

cobalt said at one point around 25% might be doable

[still haven]

I’m excited lol.

[still haven]

So how far into the game are you? I’m on Phase 1 starting Tier 4

[teal otter]

most ppl quit at coal so better start learning 🙏

[teal otter]

ppl already completed the game

[tall lantern]

if you're on T4 you must have already completed phase 1

[fluid sapphire]

recently started the last phase, so close to the end, but i have lots to do. i could finish the game pretty quickly if i really wanted to, but i dont

lots of projects still in the pipeline

[still haven]

Yes sir 🫡 phase 2 is long lol (I’m so going to regret saying that when I see phase 3)

[teal otter]

the saddest thing for me is that ppl do only 16+ servers meanwhile im almost 14 so ima just stick to solo 🙏

[still haven]

I can see why. You build cool ish starter factory and then the game is like btw the nearest coal is the other side of the map 😂😂 that’s my issue rn….need to make myself a little steel plant

[tall lantern]

it's your first intro to "you will need to expand across the map"

[fluid sapphire]

distances start feeling smaller once you gain familiarity with the map

[teal otter]

i almost quit when i learned i have to rebuild my factory cuz of a lack of space 😭

[tall lantern]

no need to rebuild a working factory

[fluid sapphire]

i regularly travel 3km between sites and feels like a short walk honestly

[tall lantern]

also if you think you're short on space you can usually just expand upward

[fluid sapphire]

also also if you think you are short on space you are not

[tall lantern]

lol yes

[teal otter]

vertical building is mostly NOT for me except for logistics floors cuz these look amazing

[tall lantern]

unless you've built in a cave in which case selfinflicted

[still haven]

Yeah I was optimising a couple of my lines in the factory because I wanted to squeeze out a little more concrete or smart plating etc and I realised I’m like… damn I need to build a whole new 10x10 concrete pad because idk how to be efficient…. Then I needed to build more biomass burners…. Then I was like damn coal

[teal otter]

oh and discovering satisfactory tools changed my life i thought i would have to start making excel sheets manually

[tall lantern]

yeah Tools is great, though don't just blindly use what it gives you since its choice of "optimal" may differ from yours

[still haven]

Yeah I use an app and I have checked that site and idk why unless I have the game open my brain is like “brain.exe has crashed, rebooting”

[tall lantern]

this mostly applies to choice of alts, since those affect the whole tree

[still haven]

Yeah I was listening into a YT guide at first to try get the basics down… can’t remember who it was but I did mention their name once

[crude canyon]

My first yt guide was whatdarrenplays
Absolutely amazing

[teal otter]

the worst thing is finding optimal alt recipes and i hate having to find which ones are a gain and which one arent worth it

[tall lantern]

optimal is in the eye of the beholder, and can vary based on the rest of your plans and resource availability

[fluid sapphire]

recipes are situational, except when they eliminate screws, those are the best recipes

[tall lantern]

don't get in the mindset of "this alt is always better/worse"

"screws are bad" in particular is just a lazy mindset 😛

[crude canyon]

Optimal is very debatable, except on certain circumstances.

Like compacted steel is absolutely awful

[fiery root]

i just cant find SAM. any tipps?

[still haven]

I don’t know why my brain is remembering XPGAMER…. I am likely wrong though since I started playing a couple months back (other games distracted me)

[crude canyon]

I hate steel screws.
They're too good!

[fluid sapphire]

caves

[teal otter]

when i discovered heavy oil residue and dilluted fuel my point of view in power turned by 180 degrees

[tall lantern]

what does that use, coke? if so, then it's useful if you have spare coke from some other part of your production

[crude canyon]

Compacted coal

[fluid sapphire]

its not awful, its situational

[normal orbit]

Compacted steel isn't awful

[crude canyon]

Not just compacted coal, but you need so many machines to make it's awful

[fluid sapphire]

if you have compacted coal left over somewhere, it can be useful

[teal otter]

alt recipes also depend on the local resources

[crude canyon]

You'd rather use it for power

[fiery root]

are there special ones? the caves i visited only had this weird fungus

[fluid sapphire]

nah, if i am already making a lot of power, the burning the compacted coal is practically useless to me

rather sink it

[fluid sapphire]

there are many, also mountaintops and other out of the way places

i do have some compacted coal left over that i have been sinking, but instead of making steel out of it i have made it my mission to use it for turbo diamonds

built infra for transporting 3900 coal, only 6100 to go

[normal orbit]

all recipes have their use cases. the only one i kinda see a hard time finding a use for is fertile uranium

[teal otter]

we already have spider mews

[tall lantern]

more plutonium for your uranium, presumably? haven't checked the whole tree

[ivory condor]

Mews flying safe with the delta flyers

[twin parcel]

phase 4 is tough

i hate fused modular frame , that piece of shit forced me to make a drone network

[teal otter]

yeah im at the very beggining of phase 4 just finished making alluminum casings, sheets and the radio control units now i have to do super computers 🙏

[fluid sapphire]

wym

[normal orbit]

yes, but i dont see a banefit to that. less power, more expensive waste to process

[tall lantern]

what do you mean less power if you get more plutonium rods to burn?

[normal orbit]

but fewer uranium rods. and the plutonium gain doesnt outweight the uranium loss you end up with a total loss

[tall lantern]

fair enough

[twin parcel]

to make more plutonium from uranium waste but knowing how hard it is to make ficsonium i will just sink plutonium rods or use it to fuel up my drone network .

[ivory condor]

I hope for so many mews

[tall lantern]

it's not particularly difficult to build enough storage to cover your plutonium waste needs

[fiery root]

why is the voice in my head now talking with ada

[twin parcel]

no thanks , i dont wanna crash my laptop

[normal orbit]

if you store waste it makes even less sense to use fertile

[tall lantern]

if a few thousand storage containers keel your world over you've got bigger issues 😛

[ivory condor]

Lol

So true

[tall lantern]

actual production stuff's gonna be a lot more intensive than a few crates

[ivory condor]

No kidding

[normal orbit]

same with sinking plutonium. makes even less sense to use fertile then

[twin parcel]

more point by sinking more ?

[tall lantern]

plutonium rods aren't that high-scoring IIRC

[normal orbit]

they arent that high in points to give up hundreds of gigawatts

[ivory condor]

Storing plutonium waste is cheap

[twin parcel]

honestly its a question of how much fuel needed for ur drone network ? having excess plutonium rods better than not having enough rods .

[ivory condor]

Unlike regular nuclear waste, plutonium waste builds up very slowly

[normal orbit]

1/5th of the rate

[ivory condor]

Now trying to store nuclear waste, can easily become a challenge

[normal orbit]

but again, if you store waste, why use fertile to get less power and more waste to store?

[tall lantern]

doesn't seem to stop you 😉

[ivory condor]

Fertile does give the most plutonium rods, so there is that

[normal orbit]

again, what is the benefit to that?

[ivory condor]

Plutonium power right?

[normal orbit]

but you lose more power from having less uranium

[ivory condor]

Ahhh hmmm

Yeah odd recipe in that aspect

Wait is it less, 682 power plants is alot

Thats about 1.7tw of power, this is just with plutonium power

[normal orbit]

your math is off

[ivory condor]

This is with 68.267 plutonium fuel rods a minute

[normal orbit]

you're not making that many with fertile

[tall lantern]

assuming you use the other uranium alts (dunno if that changes the math), yeah fertile is a loss in terms of uranium per power plant, if I've math'd right

[normal orbit]

you get 33 or so

[ivory condor]

Oh wait this is wrong your right, because you have to put waste as a manual input

[tall lantern]

Uranium rods with alts: 250 uranium -> 6 uranium rod = 300 uranium waste

That waste gets you 1.8 plutonium rod by default
Fertile Uranium adds 150 uranium for 3 total rod

Uranium rods burn 0.2/min, plutonium 0.1/min
So

• Default: 250 uranium for 30 uranium plant 18 plutonium, 250/48 = 5.2083... uranium per plant
• Fertile: 400 uranium for 30 uranium plant 30 plutonium, 400/60 = 6.666... uranium/plant

[ivory condor]

So my math is wrong

Forgot greenys calculator cant do this math right

[mortal ginkgo]

fertile is gud for using plutonium tho

[tall lantern]

do you ever add anything useful to conversations

[normal orbit]

but why is using pllutonium better than uranium?

[mortal ginkgo]

so you can use it as a power, assuming you want to sink it by making fiscobois?

[ivory condor]

Fertile takes nuclear waste and uranium,but i need to calculate the correct amount of nuclear waste

[tall lantern]

maybe if you don't use the other uranium alts then the fertile uranium comes out better?

[normal orbit]

so i get less uranium, more plutonium, more ficsonium. have to use a lot more materials for the ficsonium to make... 40GW less?

[tall lantern]

[citation needed]

[crude canyon]

Sounds like American insurance

[mortal ginkgo]

but isnt using plutonium is much better to make power? with some extra fisco in mix?

[tall lantern]

take a look at the numbers above

[normal orbit]

not when the loss from uranium power is greater than the gain

[tall lantern]

sure it does get you more, but that's at the cost of just using that uranium to make more uranium rods (which can then also get more plutonium)

[mortal ginkgo]

what is the gain for using fertile recipe then?

[tall lantern]

that's the discussion lol

[mortal ginkgo]

why should someone use it, more like. asking for myself to be fair

[tall lantern]

is there one

[mortal ginkgo]

I AM NOT ADDING TO DISCUSSION AT ALL BROTHERMEN

[tall lantern]

presumably there is cus tradeoffs as always, but what do you gain

reduction in other inputs?

[crude canyon]

So why would anyone use fertile uranium then?

[normal orbit]

2100 uranium -> 50.4 U rods -> 22.4 Pu Rods -> 112 Fic rods = 1470GW. 2100 with fertile = 28.9 U rods -> 30.5 Pu Rods -> 152.5 Fics Rods = 1430GW

[mortal ginkgo]

are we sure we are calculation plotinum fuel rod power? because that thing burns for ages

[tall lantern]

only twice as long as uranium rod

[normal orbit]

I dont know, i cannot find a single use for it which is a benefit

[stoic salmon]

if i have a question about the game is this the best chanel for it

[tall lantern]

depends what the question is, but it's a good default

[crude canyon]

Ask away

[orchid zinc]

Is it a bad idea to build something like this: https://imgur.com/a/B3Vx25i The two things that worry me is mixing of products and the modularity of it. Worst case ill just build another instance of it if i need more?

[mortal ginkgo]

Could it be that.. we are gaining space and less water usage since uranium nuclear plants will be less due to fertile recipe?

[tall lantern]

ah imgur, curse you UK government

[reef basin]

mixing products is fine-ish, not sure wdym by "modularity"

[normal orbit]

you save like 10 overlclocked reactors or so. its not much of a gain, considering you need like 1.5x the sam ore

[stoic salmon]

i have 2 coal gens with 1 water pump all of them have 3 power shards in it, so my consumption of 2 coal gens are 113 each and my pump produces 300 so 300 take 226 should be an over amount of 74

[mortal ginkgo]

Interesting...

[stoic salmon]

but my coal gens keep running out of water

[tall lantern]

they actually take 112.5

can't see the thing, but maybe the issue's pipe throughput limits, that's a common mistake

[reef basin]

fyi it's called "water extractor" not a pump

[stoic salmon]

mb

[reef basin]

("pump" is something else in the game, so it's important distinction)

[stoic salmon]

doesnt the mk1 pipe have a limit of 300 tho

[orchid zinc]

Well if i would need more of these goods, what would i do? I can just make the miners a tier up and make another instance of this chart for example, but its not as easy as extending rows of machines where needed sort of deal i would imagine?

[reef basin]

if you need more, you build another factory

[mortal ginkgo]

"I think the point of fertile uranium is to cut out the use of silica completely from the nuclear recipe chain. If you use the standard uranium rod recipe you don't need quartz at all."

From reddit. They could be true but almost everyone agrees that the only thing good about the recipe is how suggestive the name is 😛

[reef basin]

personally I would never extend anything, always build new

[reef basin]

reduces amount of waste needed per rod 🤷

[orchid zinc]

So the main priority is to make sure that the inputs are able to be used for another instance of this for example?

[normal orbit]

Yes, but you prob use silia for the infused cells anyway so the logistics and everything is there for it anyway. Its a small gain for a massive loss.

[reef basin]

not sure wdym? production should go to storage/depot and overflow to sink

[mortal ginkgo]

I see. O'well. I guess the recipe is just an attempt to make players go "plutonium rod" instead and make a bigger fisco boi at the sacrifice of some GWs.

Which is another insanity but hey.

[tall lantern]

the recipe pre-dates ficsonium

[fluid sapphire]

dont marry yourself to the idea of building another copy of the exact same chain, chances are your needs will not be exactly that

[wild phoenix]

Gng js put another water machine

[mortal ginkgo]

Devs could have planned it long ago. I mean, SAM ore was always around, so was spheres etc

[normal orbit]

fertile is the only recipe i havnt found a situational use for at all tbh

everytime i use it, it just ends up with a worse outcome

[mortal ginkgo]

Make more pluto rods for vehicles etc kek

[crude canyon]

Man, turbo motors are hard to make

It's not that they're many, it's that they're a pain to make

When can we get a smaller truck station for the carts

[fiery root]

I FOUND SAM

Ur right

[stoic salmon]

can you have 2 coal gens linked together or can you not join power sources

[fluid sapphire]

link everything

[normal orbit]

link them with power poles, like all other machines

[stoic salmon]

pretty sure its messing my system up tho

[crude canyon]

They only have 1 slot

So you got to link them to power poles

[stoic salmon]

mb didnt know you couldnt swear

[fluid sapphire]

your problem is something else, simply connecting stuff cant break anything, unless you are connecting two grids, one of which has a blown fuse

[dense violet]

post some overhead images with photomode in #math-and-meta or #1038092680493801533 🙂

[crude canyon]

Hmm, I have an idea, but not sure how good it is.

It's about having input - buffer - output.

This way you can have efficient control of your stuff, in theory

[stoic salmon]

i have that tho

[crude canyon]

Hmm, I got to build a factory around it

[normal orbit]

belts/pipes act as buffers in themselves, no point in adding them as storages/tanks

[stoic salmon]

the water is just getting drained

[normal orbit]

and when it comes to fluids, buffers just make thigns worse

[reef basin]

pretty bad idea

[stoic salmon]

so i shouldnt use a fluid buffer?

[reef basin]

no

[normal orbit]

no

[dense violet]

seriously, add overhead images to one of hte channels, It's generally very easy to solve a fluid problem with images, often very hard to impossible w/o

[stoic salmon]

i think it might be sorted now but if not will do

[fluid sapphire]

if you think you sorted it with a buffer, you didnt xd

[stoic salmon]

i removed the buffer and so far its working

[dense violet]

I mean a buffer in a system isn't automatic death.

but if you're having issues you definitely get rid of it

[twin parcel]

dam the drone network keep growing , now i dont even know where going where lol

[fluid sapphire]

need a decent labeling system then

[crude canyon]

You think the belts will get full too fast?

[void crescent]

Do u like me

[twin parcel]

eh i use buffers on truck station , trains , drone ports due to the delay in transportion and docking .

[crude canyon]

But it's not like in trains when the input is interrupted right

[fluid sapphire]

the area between two block signals is a "block", only one train can be in one block at a time, for intersections blocks can have more than one entrance and exit, but the same principle applies

stations also need to be "blocked" off by placing a block signal at the start and end of a station

[twin parcel]

oh i lost my way here, was looking for post office

[fluid sapphire]

the word block is not used in the meaning "stop" here

rather it is a "section"

[fiery root]

Just sent Phase 2 into the sky

[fluid sapphire]

no, it does not redirect anything, it makes sure multiple trains dont enter the same block

[twin parcel]

just speak in a different language , easy way to clear confusion .

[fluid sapphire]

thats the terminology the game uses, trying to use anything else will make things more confusing, not less

dont worry about path signals until you understand block signals

its a very small step between the two

[twin parcel]

blok blok tu blok bangunan lah bang , senang cerita .

[fluid sapphire]

thats nothing to go on, however placing them directly on rail splits can be buggy, helps to move them back a bit

blocks should be at least as long as your longest train

at least near intersections

if you are getting "loops into itself" error, you just place the signal a bit earlier on the rail rather than directly on the split

[normal orbit]

imo block signals should be 10-20 foundations apart

[fluid sapphire]

depends on the length of trains you are using

[normal orbit]

not really

[fluid sapphire]

for super long trains 20 may not be enough

[normal orbit]

its ok for trains to occupy two blocks, theres no super disadvantage to that

also super long trains have other issues

[fluid sapphire]

yes, its fine until that train is stuck between two intersections and is blocking one of them

niche situation but worth considering

[normal orbit]

thats what path signals fix

[earnest condor]

Then there is my world... where block signals are only like.. 1 per 30 path signals 😬😁

[normal orbit]

kind of, helps on a flat track, but uphill it will still be slowdowns

[fluid sapphire]

1:4 ratio of locomotive to freight car is a good rule of thumb

[normal orbit]

each locomotive and freight car has a weight assigned to it, also diffrent on empty vs full

[green fiber]

uphill it becomes a question of "how heavy is the entire train vs how much can the locomotives pull"
but at the end of the day, uphill will almost always slow you down

[empty bridge]

Hi All. If I dismantle my Space Elevator as I may want to move to a new biome, will I lose all building (phase) progress?

[green fiber]

you dont lose progress

[normal orbit]

when it comes to uphill total weight counts for more than the locomotive to car ratio of 1:4

[empty bridge]

thanks @versed bison and it remembers what build phase it was in?

great. I should be completing Phase 2 today in grassy fields and was thinking about moving to the desert. Is that a good idea?

[fluid sapphire]

moving?

[empty bridge]

I'm tired of grassy fields and wanted something new to start phase 3 with

[fluid sapphire]

you mean expanding?

not like you need to rebuild everything you already have

[empty bridge]

I have nothing really left now. I dismantled everything I have. I'm just finishing off the production of Smart plating for Phase 2

I'm tired of biomass fuel and want to progress to coal but not in grassy fields unless moving out of the fields to the desert (or somewhere else) is not a good idea

[fluid sapphire]

you can do anything just about anywhere

[humble marten]

whats the best biome for resources and can you switch biomes?

[earnest condor]

That's a loaded question..

[earnest condor]

What's wrong with GF?

?????

[fluid sapphire]

i agree, and thats what i mean by fine until that point, then you need an alternative solution, which path signals do best

[empty bridge]

Desert it is then. Just fancy a change too

[earnest condor]

Don't bother with the incredible Northern Forest????

Why tf not?

SO?

[fluid sapphire]

dont get married to it though, you have the whole map, dont necessarily need to cram everything into one biome

[earnest condor]

Your reason for skipping one of the most resourse dense areas of the map is... trees?

[green fiber]

tree issue

[earnest condor]

Blocked issue now that I have seen profile.

[green fiber]

northern is fun actually

[fluid sapphire]

only one area i actively avoid building in, everything pink in the middle of the map, the terrain is annoying

mostly on a cliff too relative to the surrounding areas, makes it annoying to connect to other places

though the cliff facing grass fields is probably a prime candidate for all my eventual nuclear reactors hehehehh

[green fiber]

maybe SCIM, the interactive calculator website

otherwise, not really

[normal orbit]

wouldnt know, more fun to make my own :p

[earnest condor]

This isn't Valheim

[bitter crow]

does 2 supercomputers/minute suffice til the end of the game?

[shrewd palm]

no

[bitter crow]

how many do you think i should have then? personal use and industrial use

[crude canyon]

Ok guys I have a challenge for you
No sink run

[mortal ginkgo]

personal use 2/min is cool imho

for industrial, it all depends on your future plans

[shrewd palm]

depends on how many space elevator parts you want

[normal orbit]

neural processors need 3/min iirc

[shrewd palm]

(you will need more than 2)

[bitter crow]

i now see what you all mean

3.5 maybe?

[latent prawn]

rates of 1-10/min are all you really will ever need out of higher tier building supplies

[bitter crow]

oh nevermind didnt see neural processors

[fiery root]

Just for clarification
I need the petrol thung milestone for New power, right?

[crude canyon]

ye

[latent prawn]

stuff like concrete and beams, yeah, you want some stout production, but trickle rates of the phase 3+ stuff is sufficient outside of alclad sheet, time crystal & trigons

[bitter crow]

5 supercomputers/min take alot alot of resources

[green fiber]

not many things will need them so a fair price

[latent prawn]

what you can do to defray the cost of that all a bit is to use the overflow from the line supplying you with cooling systems and RCU's and use an assembler to make supercomps for storage

that can even be slooped to double what it makes!

[bitter crow]

i can build them a fair distance away from my main operations and use drones to transport things to and from it

[bitter crow]

interesting

[latent prawn]

its one of many ways to deal with the endgame parts. usually tricks like that are worth it because there's so much factory sitting under 5 parts/min

[bitter crow]

ill keep that in mind when im making RCU and CS

[crude canyon]

what?

[latent prawn]

that recipe is ass for feeding a steady production of supercomps (very high bauxite use), but if you're just stealing from the storage overflow on the way to the sink, the part production is already accounted for

[crude canyon]

oh, well then the issue becomes what if you need those items

[latent prawn]

fill storage first

when you have an ISC's full of supercomps, cooling systems and rcu's, you're really not going to deplete any of them very quickly in your building, so the trickle will keep ya supplied

if with that settup you ever run out of stuff in storage, afk for a bit and go touch some grass, you'd need it 😄

[mortal ginkgo]

what he means with touch grass is hunt xeno animals for more liquid biofuel for your jetpack

[bitter crow]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[crude canyon]

well I used those to make turbomotors and rockets and ran out in an instant

[earnest condor]

Danger link is dangerous.

[mortal ginkgo]

I clicked on the link, if its gonna make you feel better after that embed fail

[bitter crow]

Thank yoi means alot

[bitter crow]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-see-my-class-gif-15768348532634343334

Please link start embedding

[earnest condor]

Danger link is dangerous. x2

[wet jasper]

Guys i'm thinking about a huge project to get me to 1000 coupons. I want to turn the dessert into a huge factory, but I don't know what I would want to do. Also I don't want to transport stuff from other biomes.

what should I make?

[bitter crow]

Iron ingots

[dense violet]

go to the swamp instead, you can build anything there w/o dragging tons of stuff

[wet jasper]

But I already use most of the swamp for nuclear

the desert is the only one I didn't touch

[forest zinc]

i cant figure out how to do smart plates for the space elevator

[crude canyon]

did you unlock project assembly?

[forest zinc]

yeah

[earnest condor]

Press N.
Type in Smart Plat
Click on that.

[forest zinc]

no i know how to do it

i mean like making production lines to assemble it

i dont know how to

[earnest condor]

Why would you make a production line?

Are you making Rotors right now?

[forest zinc]

no

[earnest condor]

Start there.

Are you making RIPs right now?

[forest zinc]

whats that

[normal orbit]

Make an assembler belt in reinforced plates and rotors. Profit?

[earnest condor]

Reinforced Iron Plate.

[forest zinc]

no

[earnest condor]

Do that too.

[forest zinc]

i made some by hand

[normal orbit]

Automate

[earnest condor]

Get a production line running for all the actual, worthwhile items before you think about the Space Elevator.

[forest zinc]

ok

[earnest condor]

Once you have both of those running -- you have no need to automate the Project Parts.

Just take 50 Rotors from storage, and 50 RIPs from storage.
Build a lone Assembler, put them both into it, let it run.
Delete Assembler when finished.

[forest zinc]

ahhh ok

makes sense

[crude canyon]

oh, it's sevrahn
Long time no see

[earnest condor]

When you get to later stages and you need more than can fit in the machine --
Take the products you need from storage, put them into storage containers.
Hook containers to machine.
Let it run.

Project Parts are finite in total requirement, so you do not ever need to automate them.

[forest zinc]

ok

so basically i never need to automate this stuff i can just automate the rest

[earnest condor]

Very, very much so.

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need to, but it can be fun regardless

[forest zinc]

okths

[earnest condor]

You can automate them if you want to, that is a completely valid path.

[fluid sapphire]

you can get away with a very small scale for them if you do automate them

[earnest condor]

I am just saying you never need to 🤷‍♂️
And that I have not ever done so in 8 years of playing.

[crude canyon]

II recommend automating, as next phase also requires you to do smart plating

[forest zinc]

ok

[earnest condor]

I recommend not, because it's simpler and with the power of somers you can reduce resource cost by up to 16x depending on the Phase you're in.

[surreal ingot]

I automated smart plates in my line so I can explore the map

#screenshots message

Already made 150 smart plates hy the time I made my first coal generator

[fluid sapphire]

cost is such a non-factor for elevator parts

[earnest condor]

#math-and-meta message Automated 😉

[crude canyon]

Hey @earnest condor , what do you think of a playthrough where you can't use sinks to fix up your factory?
Now you have to use the polymer resin from your power into plubber!

[fluid sapphire]

i like them, my teeth dont

[earnest condor]

where you can't use sinks
I would uninstall, personally.

Now you have to use the polymer resin from your power into plubber!
?

[crude canyon]

you'd go heavy oil residue, with polymer as byproduct, but you can't let it go full so you have to go plastic/rubber
But you can't let that go full so you have to use them somewhere

[earnest condor]

Are we talking initial oil setup or later stuff?

[crude canyon]

is there much difference?

I guess at the start you're not that worried of things being full and your power stopping

[earnest condor]

Initial should be all-inclusive.

Because you either 300 Oil -> 5x Rubber, 5x Plastic -> 2.5x Residual Fuel -> Fuel Gens
or
300 Oil -> 5x Rubber, 5x Plastic -> 3.75x Coke -> 18 Coal Gens

Later setups when you usually "sink" the resin from HOR -- even if you force "must turn these into Plastic/Rubber", ok, but you need to sink that when storage fills.

Satis without Sinks just... doesn't work.

[crude canyon]

I was thinking on
heavy oil residue -> diluted fuel
-> Polymer Resin

[earnest condor]

Later setups when you usually "sink" the resin from HOR -- even if you force "must turn these into Plastic/Rubber", ok, but you need to sink that when storage fills.

[crude canyon]

yeah, but that's the fun of it

now you need to do more parts so things don't fill up

[earnest condor]

But if you cannot sink, those parts eventually fill, which would still crash the system.

[crude canyon]

and we do have priority mergers, so we can make it so we get rid of the plubber first

[eager palm]

I think I’d just end up with a massive stack of containers full of resin. Like, to the skybox

[earnest condor]

If you don't have a sink you're just racing against time until everything eventually crashes.

[crude canyon]

you can turn the resin into something else

[crude canyon]

global economy simulation

[eager palm]

Death by instability would be a welcome end

[earnest condor]

Resin backs up - crash.
Convert resin to product?
Product backs up - crash.
Convert product to other product?
Other Product backs up - crash.
And so on.

[crude canyon]

all the way to ballistic warp drives

[earnest condor]

You have to have sinks to have things continually run unless you're manually pull out the end product and trashing it into your inventory.

So, apologies, but that does not sound fun at all to me.

[fluid sapphire]

I\ll just hire my friend Steve to pick the resin off the conveyor belt and trash it

[eager palm]

Sev, you can just give it to dogs and punt them into the shadow realm. Doesn’t that sound cathartic?

[earnest condor]

I agree with the baseline concept of forcing the use of the poly in other things instead of just sinking poly.

[earnest condor]

Imagine letting them live long enough to put items in.

[earnest condor]

I'd even be down for requiring one, central sinking area. Instead of allowing remote sinks.

[crude canyon]

ok, you can sink ballistic warp drives

[earnest condor]

I reject your premise because it requires me to automate Project Parts. 🙂

[crude canyon]

it was so you can have something to get the golden nut with

[earnest condor]

I have 5?

[crude canyon]

ok, you can sink turbo motors

[earnest condor]

Well, in total I have earned more than that.
But the max I have gotten in a single world was 5.

[half path]

Yo

I need help

[crude canyon]

911 what is your emergency?

[half path]

We have a dedicated server and it is set to pause when no one is playing on it. When no one is on and someone joins, one specific power grid gets blown, and after resetting it works again

I suspect the auto pause is the reason for this

[earnest condor]

So the problem is that the power... works?

[half path]

Yesnt

Each time one of us joins the server, he has to go to the factory to reset the breaker

[earnest condor]

Would turn off the pause tbh 🤷‍♂️

[half path]

Is that the reason tho?

[earnest condor]

idk, would have to ask in #dedicated-servers for the most accurate answer.

[crude canyon]

any thoughts on the new vehicles changes @earnest condor ?

[surreal ingot]

And both are valid ways of playing the game

[earnest condor]

Good overall but we are, again, losing functionality in trade for simplicity.

[minor rock]

AI in game could prob help with that . What should the assist be called ? Johnny ?

[earnest condor]

No.

[minor rock]

Yah idk about that name

[earnest condor]

That's not the part anyone has said no to about any of your suggestions.

[frigid moat]

"AI in game"

[earnest condor]

☝️

[frigid moat]

sounds like a shareholder lmao

[minor rock]

Prob a bad name you right

What about JohnnyGPT

[earnest condor]

No.

[minor rock]

Then its a cyberpunk and alpha hog reference

Kinda cool

[earnest condor]

Keep LLMs that are mistakenly being called AI out of all games for all time always.

[frigid moat]

adding generative AI at all to the game would kinda be an insult to what the game is

[earnest condor]

It's an insult to gaming in general.

[minor rock]

Actually nvm you righf about the no being GPT part. Because this will do more in game such as factory placement etc.

[surreal ingot]

I think an actually cool idea if we ever come up with real AIs to have a companion for single player, but calling GPT “ai” is a disrespect to our future robot overlords

[frigid moat]

"chatgpt play satisfactory for me"

[minor rock]

Automation though ?

[frigid moat]

why do we want to automate the fun part? do you like playing the game?

[earnest condor]

Ummm... no?

[minor rock]

Yah like maybe you build robots

[surreal ingot]

A JARVIS like companion would be kinda cool in general

Whatever this person is recommending just sounds like having something play the game for you

[earnest condor]

Or, and hear me out, we could all make friends with real human people?

[frigid moat]

this. i hate chatbots

[surreal ingot]

I also hate chatbots

[frigid moat]

theyre not real, don't make decisions, and are fed off of stolen work

and even if they were ethical, just go make friends man

[minor rock]

Thats like the ficsit motto though

An ai helper is perfect tbh

[frigid moat]

ficsit is not a moral company.

[surreal ingot]

Y’all are making a lot of assumptions off what I said, which says a lot more about you than me

[minor rock]

Would really help cement their vision od the game tbh

[cold berry]

AI is eh.

[frigid moat]

i kind of know what you're saying, you'd want it to be sentient?

[cold berry]

It sucks and that's my problem with it. If it were run natively, had restrictions and also didn't use water like a mofo

I wouldn't care. But it can't think for itself and gives dangerous advice while being bad

[earnest condor]

That's the sad irony.
LLM makers are spending hundreds of billions on data centers to ruin the environment and the overwhelming majority use of their "ai" is virtual girlfriends...

[surreal ingot]

Real AI would be cool, but we don’t use AI. We use LLM VIs that call themselves AI

[frigid moat]

honestly i barely gaf about the water use. its really small compared to other water use.
but the problem is that it cant think for itself and is based off of stolen stuff

[green fiber]

the vision is "you play the game"

[minor rock]

Yeah but ai in satisfactory would help you play the game those things aside

[cold berry]

We skipped right over virtual intelligence in the tech tree to make investors salivate and it's sad

[fathom pier]

Polymarket the 1.2 stable release date frfr

[minor rock]

And like its just a bit of water. It will rain again

[green fiber]

we already have AI.
Her name is ADA and she likes berating us

[frigid moat]

satisfactory is a problem solving game, so once again just playing the game for you

[cold berry]

Real arguments I didn't think I'd see in the wild

[minor rock]

We need generated voicelines on the fly so every experiencr is unique

[surreal ingot]

Yeah kinda. Would be cool, but we’ll probably never develop real AI

[minor rock]

The ones there already are aight

[frigid moat]

it gets microplastic into the water and it rains a long ways away from the datacenter making it unusable again there

[frigid moat]

i hope we dont personally
machine learning is really enough for medical applications like recognizing slightly different cells or something

[green fiber]

you dont need generated voicelines so everything is unique.
just add more voicelines in general and by the magic of big numbers, you are unlikely to have the same rundown of voicelines, or even just the same ones in general

[surreal ingot]

I hope we do. There’s nothing inherently bad about real AI except in some philosophical arguments

[cold berry]

"It's just a little water. It's just water instability for at risk communities where the government there takes poisoned contracts because their gdp is important but horrible because farmers are getting fucked over by design to make the water rights cheap and worsen our countries food stability tee hee"

[minor rock]

Basically lile the whole point of ai is drone warfare, so it makes sense to simulate it in games first

If done properlh a satisfactory ai helper tool would deliver shareholder value and make more money

[green fiber]

yeah sure use the game as training data.
Absolutely not

[frigid moat]

isnt coffee stain private?

[cold berry]

These are the most braindead ai takes I've ever heard

It goes back to "we need this for war" instead of "war and AI bad"

[frigid moat]

even if they arent why should we as consumers care about what shareholders want

[cold berry]

Lol. Okay.

[minor rock]

Yah prob but then the owner make lot more money

[frigid moat]

the devs are passionate. they don't want money. they really want enough to live off of to make more games imo

[cold berry]

I'm blocking and moving on, I recommend lol

[green fiber]

shareholders overrated.
Where is "maximize consumer experience"

[surreal ingot]

Yeah I’m pretty sure word is VI, or someone just trolling to get a reaction. Satisfactory is inherently a take on capitalistic greed (like LLM VIs) and knows the type of people who are here

[minor rock]

Someone should turn those drone simulators into an fps like arc raiders

More realistic

[surreal ingot]

We should pick up word, and move it somewhere else

[minor rock]

Aight aight fair

I jusy think its awesome thats all

Would be great and so on

[cold berry]

Nah, these people exist imo. They have an unhealthy obsession with ai chats, think they're good to use for everything and are real people, and can't move past the fact that these guys pass the tiring test by having a word bank of "phrases that pass the turing test" essentially. AI just uses passcodes like they're magic words essentially to sound real.

[green fiber]

I'll be honest, i dont think any kind of AI would be able to play this game in the near or somewhat further out future

let alone properly be able to assist you in planning

[frigid moat]

way too much thinking involved

[surreal ingot]

I would think a real AI could, but not in our near future. We are too busy labeling VIs AIs to make shareholders cream

[green fiber]

current models would hallucinate way too much nonsense.
and even then

[surreal ingot]

Ok but I will say

I want to see GPT attempt satisfactory and see what kind of bullshit it does

[tall lantern]

give it to Neuro

[green fiber]

i dont think it could even get the controls down lmao

[surreal ingot]

“I made a factory” and it’s a stool connected to a tree

[minor rock]

Idk all the comp sci jobs my area are ai oriented. Even the regular stuff makes mention of AI. I saw a posting for a retail job and they want a prompt writer person with experience. Its just what the market wants and the market is always right. We should just accept it

[green fiber]

constructor with a belt loop between input and output

if it even manages to get that far

[frigid moat]

"the market is always right"
translating...
mmmmm... boot 🤤

[green fiber]

the market is always greedy for cheap labor

[earnest condor]

Pogger with the same settings to all 3 outputs saying it is more efficient than a splitter 😏

[green fiber]

if the market is so right, what happened to the housing market in 2007

[surreal ingot]

Yeah I’m 500% sure word is trolling because not even die hard “libertarians” have ever told me “and the market is always right”

[minor rock]

Im not even say ai auto play game, u guyd are just put words in my mouth, i just mean auto pick the correct buildings and stuff for context, snap automatically and like that, maybr lije the ai tells you what to do next etc., the directions are so vague

[frigid moat]

that is literally playing it for you. telling you how to play it, what to do, and when to do it

[minor rock]

Like the only way this is even playable is send screenshofs to gpt and write some context, but that could be done automatically

[green fiber]

most people freeze at analysis paralysis

[minor rock]

Espeically the 100x mode that crazy

[minor rock]

Yeah tbh forgot that but it self auto corrected though

[surreal ingot]

It literally hasn’t

[minor rock]

I prob need to do more research

[green fiber]

"self corrected" by absolutely crashing

[surreal ingot]

Word is no older than 15 I guarantee it

[wild mural]

how much rubber/plastic is good for a mid/late game factory? im gonna rebuild my first one that currently makes 120/min of each, and im looking to up it to 780/min each

[crude canyon]

we are getting some functionality back, like reusing a lot of the paths to do something else

[frigid moat]

honestly i just go off of how much oil i can easily get

a little bit north of the desert theres a ton of it

[wild mural]

this is with 1800 thats easily accesible

on like the left side of the map

[frigid moat]

like 3450/min

[fluid sapphire]

We could try, but this would probably happen #off-topic-media message

[frigid moat]

id say make do with what you have

[worn oar]

My philosophy is whenever I'm running out of something, I double it.

[earnest condor]

Um.. ? What did we get back?
We lost the ability to dock with multiple stations simultaneously, we lost the ability to use Jump Pads as truck elevators, we lost the ability to pause on routes...

[minor rock]

Gpt praises me how wise im for my age. Im an adult ok x

[earnest condor]

...

[worn oar]

But it's also common to create your belt speed worth of something except with parts where that's obviously a non-starter

[earnest condor]

Define "mid game"?

[unkempt blade]

when I double my production I use screw-based recipes so I can do it most efficiently

[frigid moat]

"gpt praises me" son 😭

[worn oar]

SCREWS FOR THE SCREW GOD

[worn oar]

Stop using chatbots, they are literally destroying your neuroplasticity

[frigid moat]

"screw-based" "efficiently" THIS IS A NO SCREW HOUSEHOLD

[earnest condor]

BOLTS FOR HIS BOLT THRONE?

[worn oar]

I can't hear you over the sound of all the screws flying by behind me

[unkempt blade]

Yeah but Claude only ruined my train network 3 times while building an HMF factory for me. It made me feel so productive

[fluid sapphire]

If you put any stock into the praises of a delusional chatbot really don't know what to tell you 🤷

[frigid moat]

btw what happened with the new update?

[worn oar]

Ok you know what, that's a fantastic use for AI. Use it to break what you've done and then fix it without AI's help.

[green fiber]

still on experimental

[tall lantern]

"delusional" implies it has any personality of its own

[frigid moat]

ofc but it seems controversial

[earnest condor]

?

[minor rock]

Prob prompted wrong . Theyre hiring ai prompting wizard engineers now, theres definitely a gap in the technical know how

[green fiber]

they just had some bugs remaining so they couldnt do another patch recently

[fluid sapphire]

I struggle to find words to describe it's hallucinations

[tall lantern]

"wrong"

[worn oar]

Is 60 supercomputers/minute enough to finish the game?

[frigid moat]

#satisfactory message

[green fiber]

progress means sacrifices must be made

[earnest condor]

Nothing controversial about the update.
It is a good change. I have said this.

[green fiber]

that doesnt mean we cant ask for some of those things back

maybe they are being worked on and we just cant know yet

[fluid sapphire]

You can always make more if it's not enough

[crude canyon]

wym dock with multiple stations

[fluid sapphire]

Might be a bit tight

[earnest condor]

Do I think the 1.1 and prior system has more potential? Yes.

[worn oar]

First can be fixed by using more trucks and the third is obsolete isn't it? Trucks don't need to pause to avoid traffic and they don't need to pause at stations

[minor rock]

How you guys reckon about more geisers on the map? Im struggling for power tbh

[frigid moat]

the 1.1 system and new system should be interchangeable imo

[minor rock]

Need more of a boost , maybe we could sloop geothermal gens

[green fiber]

tbh "dock with multiple stations" never seemed intentional really.
It was actually an absolute nuisance if you had docking stations near each other and wanted the vehicle to only dock at the one it was supposed to go to

[earnest condor]

Before they simplified with dedicated docking nodes, you could run your route so the truck overlapped with up to 4 station boxes and all of them would pull from it at the same time.

[unkempt blade]

Technically my llc does AI consulting but really I just ask Claude how to do the AI stuff and then I use what it generates. It's peak efficiency

[green fiber]

sonds like you should invest into good old crude oil or coal power