satisfactory

[small crypt]

but i couldnt imagine trying to figure out a mega factory, i expected the game to be a quick lil 10 hour adventure but here i am on hour 20 just barely getting to phase 5

[shy temple]

#screenshots message for example Raw goods to finish for the modular motors and adaptives

[hollow hemlock]

...apparently the speed run record for 1.0 is just shy of 21 hours. I think you're maybe playing a different game?

[unkempt blade]

probably tier5 not phase 5

[small crypt]

bro im not gonna beat it in 21 hours comparing me to a speedrunner is insane work

[austere tinsel]

No thanks. I tried figuring out mega factory logistics once and the headache became too much somewhere around Heavy Modular Frames and Large-Scale Rocket Fuel.

[small crypt]

unrealistic af

[hollow hemlock]

You were the one who stated "quick little 10 hour adventure", you are the one with the incorrect expectations

[small crypt]

that doesnt mean i should beat in 21 hours hello?

are you nuts

[hollow hemlock]

Yeah, nor would you complete it as a 10 hour quick little adventure

[small crypt]

just because the literal world record is 21 hours and im only hitting phase 5 after 20 doesnt mean im playing a different game

[unkempt blade]

tier 5 🙂

[small crypt]

it just means im not a speedrunner that optimized the hell out of everything, what kind of expectation is that

[hollow hemlock]

It means your statement about "i expected the game to be a quick lil 10 hour adventure" shows a wildly wrong expectation of the game

[small crypt]

ok?

literally said that

it was the second half of the sentence

[hollow hemlock]

Therefore your other statements regarding right and wrong ways to play are also somehat suspect

[small crypt]

build a mega factory then

knock yourself out buddy, i dont care

[hollow hemlock]

Great, agreement

[small crypt]

but i guarantee if i built a big stupid ass mega factory the last 3 hours i spent figuring out getting nuclear pasta set up would have been 10x that

[unkempt blade]

like this? #screenshots message

[shy temple]

absolutely. I highly recommend mega factories. Fun if you like creating functional design 🙂

[small crypt]

im good

spend enough time messing around with belt spaghetti as it is

[shy temple]

all about that rigatoni

[small crypt]

spiral belt mod when

[unkempt blade]

That would be fun. I've seen spiral pipes as a BP which looked really cool

[shy temple]

you can spiral conveyor. Called setting it to curve

once I am done my photo tour, I will do one up

[small crypt]

ive had pipes attempt to snap in some pretty interesting shapes

[twin parcel]

why fps dropp on my packaged fuel plant? i swear it was normal yesterday .

[small crypt]

how long has the game been running

[faint willow]

If there's a rock hanging out over a resource node, does that mean it has to be blown up to use?

It's not mineable

[latent prawn]

pipe networks after many hours often end up accumulating round-down errors in there content which can lead to power instability. probably about once every 50 hrs, i find the need to take down a fuel power plant for a refill. As such, it's useful to break power plants into logically separate units so you can bring some fraction like 1/4 or 1/8th of them down for the action w/o loosing too much

[small crypt]

<@&387163995947270144> plz ban @peak wasp @peak wasp the phishing spam is relentless

[small crypt]

wait does this actually happen?

[latent prawn]

I noticed it in 1.1, but i'm pretty sure it's been a very long standing problem

[twin parcel]

nah , thats tough , i dont think im able to rebuild my plant to do that

[latent prawn]

usually it just causes 1-2 generators at the end of a line to start blinking a bit

tbh, i think it may be the source of a lot of the sloshing bugs that people are always complaining about

[twin parcel]

my fuel power has two factories , 1) make packaged water and send to packaged fuel plant

2. takes those packaged water , turned them to packaged fuel , unpackged the fuel , send the empty canisters to packaged water plant .

[latent prawn]

i think i really noticed it and started quantifying it in that save because i was all-in on rocket fuel power and had several hundred hours of building in that save

[twin parcel]

those two plants have fps issues

[latent prawn]

if you are using the packaged dilluted means of making fuel, it's pretty trivial to hang the unpackagers right up on the minimum number of generators that they can supply and keep the pipe networks really tiny. smaller pipe networks tend to behave much better

[twin parcel]

yes those unpackers are built very high

[shy temple]

Put a conveyor spiral in screenshots from earlier comments. XD

[twin parcel]

i used mk2 pipes for easier logistics

[shy temple]

Correct. Although you can still put portable miners on it.

[small crypt]

any idea why some nodes are invisible?

they scan and miners work on them, but theyre invisible

[faint willow]

Noted, just was getting started on coal power and there's two coal nodes right next to each other

[shy temple]

sounds like a graphics issue. I have that with water for some geothermal spots.

[latent prawn]

in any event, i have a lot of hours in this game, and pipes do some funny things at times that can be generally mitigated through combos of robust designs and a bit of maintanence. after dumping a lot of time into debugging and troubleshooting the issues i've seen, at this point i just kind of live with their shortcomings and mitigate the problems rather than dumping tons of time into it all. The one exception is aluminum processing which kind of always has to work perfectly

[shy temple]

I hear the water and can swim, but dont see it.

[dusky harness]

some waterfalls are like that for me

[shy temple]

why does aluminium always have to work perfectly? Is a lot of it on the map

[latent prawn]

are you searching around rocky desert for the quartz & sam?

[shy temple]

I am curious because my next thing on this map is want to try some new mega aluminium processing

[small crypt]

its a limestone node on the northwest coast, cant hand mind it, but it scans and miner has been working fine on it

[latent prawn]

there's always been 1-2 invisible limestone nodes up there. i thought that was fixed in 1.1 though 🤷

[faint willow]

Tryna brainstorm how to do these two iron nodes. Got them max-overclocked on a normal node, 150 per minute. Trying to get them to pump up to smelters but not sure how to split them best. Maybe use mergers, get 2 miners -> 6 belts -> 3 belts then pump them up the line into smelters?

[small crypt]

get mk2 belts

[faint willow]

Done, been had them.

[small crypt]

dont try to scale too hard with mk1 logistics its annoying

ah

well, same concept

[latent prawn]

well, mk2 belts are 120/min, can't pull 150/min from a miner until mk3 belts

[faint willow]

I've mostly reached a point where there's no value in me hand-crafting. Everything I have right now is rotor, reinforced plate, or frame-heavy.

So trying to do a "better to have and not need" thing with these iron nodes

[small crypt]

the point where there is no value in hand crafting is 10 minutes after hub is placed

[shy temple]

Yuppers, I remember the memes when game came out to show easy automated mining was holding the mouse button down with an object

[small crypt]

oh man, brick on spacebar = win game

[shy temple]

I do recommend to focus on minimum hand crafting. It is satisfying having things up and automated. I still have my OG stuff running for the sentimental.

[latent prawn]

easiest way to split an ore line into smelters is to connect them to a chain of splitters in what we call a manifold

[shy temple]

For factorio, I got the Lazy B achievement which is earned for making the very minimum number of items in inventory

[latent prawn]

does !manifold work here?

...nope

!wikisearch manifold

[faint willow]

So, what, merge both belts once? Meet them in the middle and just throw them down a single artery?

[latent prawn]

grr

no, leave them separate, each feeding 4 smelters

[small crypt]

#screenshots message

[shy temple]

That is a manifold system. Merge stuff together and split, or just split on entry if enough inputs and space.

Manifolds are very easy to set up and compact, but they need to prime

[faint willow]

Okay, I think I understand. I did kinda get the mentality of making everything compact, no megabase thing required.
So 2 miners = 8 smelters, meet them in the middle and then split them back out for the plates/rods/screws, etc?

[latent prawn]

typically, for the phase 1 delivery what works pretty well is to make 8 rotors/min off of 90 iron and then 10 rip/min off of 120 iron

[faint willow]

I'm sorry if I sound like I'm asking dumb questions or repetitive ones. I promise I'm not being intentionally moronic.

[shy temple]

Random flex. I was curious who was the first person to call it manifold in the discord.

Turns out, I was!

[latent prawn]

what you do with the extra 30 iron you can pull off of the rotor feed is up to you, i usually split that between a rod constructor & underclocked plate constructor to use as building material

[twin parcel]

i just reload thee save , now there is no fps drop

uh , the bug very funny

[latent prawn]

take a look at the example images on this wiki page https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Manifold

[latent prawn]

something else i'll make a quick note to say is that when your fps starts dropping below 30/s, pipes can do some funky things

[small crypt]

ive evolved, or devolved idk even further, i dont even do big sky platform lines i literally just process literally on top of the node and split things up into like 4 different platforms now

it's been saving tons of time

[kindred zenith]

Good morning, I have a question about the experimental version 1.2. Can I just continue playing my old save file, or do I have to start a new one?

[serene jolt]

Is it typically better to have 1 train line for everything or a bunch of smaller train lines?

[hollow hemlock]

how are you measuring betterness

[white dawn]

(and how are you measuring "train line," for that matter. :)

In terms of rail itself, if you do a dual-rail system when you set up your routes, and hook new routes into your old ones where appropriate, your rail network grows more and more powerful. Setting up new logistics for new factories often just becomes running a few hundred extra meters of rail somewhere and setting some schedules, etc.

In terms of trains, I'm a fan of simple A->B transfers. Need Material X at Site B? Send it there from A.

If Site B needs various materials from various sites, have different trains delivering those things to different stations at Site B

[hollow hemlock]

yeah one measure of betterness would basically be "use a one way rail, one train, point to point"

[white dawn]

Sometimes there can be some synergies with the way your needed stations are placed where it might make sense for a train to stop at more than just A and B, but I generally have that as the exception rather than the rule

[small crypt]

yeah see that shit makes my eyes glaze over

thats why ive been a belt highway enjoyer

[willow pond]

should let some kind of AI play the game & see what happens

[small crypt]

ADA would just enlist the wildlife to do her bidding

[fiery root]

Fellas, howvdo i achive the gas mask

[cursive topaz]

I made a mistake and selected the wrong save when booting up satisfactory, playing through epic, i messed with my clock when playing the game and now i have lost 4 ish hours of work, does anyone know where the save folder is and or how to change it or make epic roll it back?

[white dawn]

Savegame locations are here, at least: #faq message

(I have no idea re: Epic cloud stuff though)

[cursive topaz]

well the old save was local

[shy temple]

Myself as well. You can do single train dropping off for multiple, but only works if some magic perfect balance, or you ensure the station can sink excess resources keeping station free to fully unload. But then, just run two trains as gotta go empty to second pickup. useful if worried about power or traffic.

You can also do a two stage station then to help with space too. Unload and load in line to each other. Train pulls a little forward and good.

Topic of trains, I just finished documenting the completion of my grandest main line I have made in the game. Preserving the nature of the map and enjoying it.

Wish I knew how much resources went into it. Each rail tie takes around 80-160 concrete alone. And I bet is over a thousand of them. I don't want to count.

#screenshots , I put up the pictures.

And a bit of narrative if you like reading

Well, after almost a week of building a train line. Time to go head to the coast and start my new refinery to power my aluminium

[cursive topaz]

your a life saver, it made a backup and that was the best backup ever

[white dawn]

Sweet! Glad it worked out; always sucks to lose work like that. :)

[cursive topaz]

yea i got through phase 1, started a coal power plant re organised my base

i mean those 4 hours

where worth 10

[shy temple]

And would feel like 20 to redo it with that frustration.

[fiery root]

Fella

U seem like a smart pioneer

Do you mind telling, how i can get something against that Popsongs every second plant tries to make me Inhale that?

[sterile blade]

You should research any Mycelia you got, or look for some if you don't have any (caves can be a good source of it)

[fiery root]

But caves are a good source of that awful meowing creatures

[hushed frigate]

why must sulfur be so rare

sob

[hollow hemlock]

'cause it's smelly

[vernal vortex]

Can you build over the void near the crater? (or in general really)

[hollow hemlock]

Sure, Ficsit doesn't believe in gravity

[smoky forge]

yeah, way to litle on the map

[serene jolt]

Would be bad for efficiency

[twin parcel]

dam , nvr understand my fuel plant , according to calculation , should be 28, 750 MW but fluctates btw 28, 000MW to 30, 000MW .

[fiery pewter]

Technically speaking the sulfur nodes should be around geysers

[drowsy nimbus]

Hey, I used to translate this game into Latvian, but I left this server some time ago, and I'm sure I didn't translate the newest updates.

Still possible to continue translating?

[fiery pewter]

<@&370483737957236737>

[fiery pewter]

Because when you mine sulfur for the first time, ADA talks about sulfur being a sign of earlier volcanic activity

Geysers are a form of volcanic activity

Therefore, there should me more sulfur around geysers

[shy temple]

Sorry I was away. So you can unlock explosives. That is what is used to take out all the stuff that stinks.

[fiery root]

I see
So no Gas mask whatsoever? Just Boom boom

[shy temple]

There are gas masks too that can be unlocked through the MAM research

[fiery root]

I see i see

They stinky things respawn? Like the other xenos

[rich parrot]

Plants and mineral formations do not respawn.

[hard wolf]

there are a few above ground sources of mycelia. one of them is the swamp (spooky), and the other I can't remember the name of

[shy temple]

The swamp does, there is the purple forest, and then also mushrooms around big trees. There are a fair number of sources for them in the biomes to correspond with the different starts

[faint willow]

How do y'all do your roof sets in-game? Hard to do an interior roof the way I want it to and I'm not seeing what I want in the awesome shop, though it could just be me being tired.

[shy temple]

What are you thinking of for your roof? You are thinking a smooth interior roof vs the one that has the 'structure?

And then question is, want it flat or pitched?

[faint willow]

I kinda wanted a skylight type thing going on, like a glass roof tile.

[shy temple]

Oh, that is in the awesome shop

[faint willow]

I finally found the corner pieces I wanted, and that was chalked up to me skimming through too fast.

[shy temple]

You can unlock glass roof, which you 'paint' onto the roof

Note, you can only do that for ones actually listed as roof

There are a few tilted wall pieces. Cannot glass them

[faint willow]

Oh, is it the one under customizer?

[shy temple]

I believe so

[faint willow]

I never scrolled down under that tab before 💀

Also probably doesn't help I'm not quite there on the silica unlock in the MAM

[shy temple]

#screenshots message here you go. You can see it there.

It isn't too hard to unlock. Hardest part is just finding a quartz node with unlocking the scanner.

The glass roof parts look nice though

[faint willow]

Wait... I have unlocked Silica... why's it showing red? Is it because I need the other unlock too?

[shy temple]

Not sure what you mean. Can you post screenshot in that channel?

[faint willow]

Yeah, 1 sec

#screenshots message

[shy temple]

Oh, and you can directly place glass roof pieces as well once you have them too instead of editing the tile. Under 'roofs' category, will be a dropdown to change material in the top right of the bar.

I never really use that though. I paint after the fact.

[twin parcel]

why people dont set trains that is bidirectional?

and uses a loop instead

[shy temple]

It looks like you got no tickets 🙂 Or you dont' have roofs unlocked

[shy temple]

More space efficient and you don't accidentally have trains coming in the wrong way. Can have it stop at multiple stops if mixed cars.

[faint willow]

More than likely the latter... also the tickets too, I'm shoving excess goods in there rn to turn into tickets cuz I got nothing else to put in there rn

[shy temple]

That is what I do too. I have my stuff build to a container and I would empty surplus to dump once in a while until was able to do it automated

[faint willow]

Got a decent thing going with my iron miner area though, just wanted the roofs to make it seem nicer. Still trying to wean off of solid biofuel too.

Is it tier 4 or 5 that you unlock the bigger electric poles? Not the t2s, the one that look like the big grid poles you see on the sides of highways IRL

[small crypt]

4

[shy temple]

I cannot remember top of my head and not near hub. Lower tier.

[small crypt]

are there any processes where maxed out mk5 belts make cleanly? im still working in terms of 480 but i feel like im wasting potential

mk3 miners at 150% would work out all nice with alumina but i already did all that forever ago and dont have a reason to upgrade it, idk

[rigid wedge]

should I use 6000 fuel and 4 compacted coal or 2000 fuel, 4000 heavy oil residue, 3 sulfur and 3 petroleum coke for turbo fuel?

[reef basin]

You cannot really "waste" in this game

[reef basin]

What are those weird numbers? 🤔

Also I wouldn't do turbofuel at all

[small crypt]

ive been using the nitro rocket fuel alt to skip the turbo fuel step altogether

[rigid wedge]

i dont have the rocket one yet

i could ofc stall it out

and just place a few more coal things

[strange vortex]

I just enter phase 3. Shoudl I "recreate" everything what i have now?

[fringe shadow]

#screenshots message 3.75 Supercomputers/m finallyy done 😄

[reef basin]

I wouldn't do that either

[reef basin]

no, build new and keep old. No reason to disamntle old builds

[strange vortex]

Oh okay

[fiery root]

But what about space?
Logistics

[reef basin]

space is practically infinite and not sure wdym by logistics

[fiery root]

I mean we cant just abandon the old facility
So we need a bunch more New power, and a Transport system for the material being built on old facility

[reef basin]

I mean we cant just abandon the old facility
why not? just hook it to depot and you're fine

[fiery root]

Im sorry i might be not advanced enough in game progression for that kind of solutions

[reef basin]

depots are T3

[fiery root]

Yeah a little way till i am there

[reef basin]

well if you're at T2, then there's absolutely no reason to dismantle anything

and you don't need any logistics for the old factory anyway

it makes things for storage and that's all it needs to do

[idle dawn]

Starting a new game and thinking about which AGS options will take some of the grind out without taking the soul of the game away. Love to know which you guys use.

I'll be aiming for big beautiful factories. Thinking hard drives unlocked, maybe mam? Shame to grind to blueprints etc but better than skipping half the game?

[ornate saffron]

I say leave all that in and just start at phase 3. That way you have fuel

[ornate saffron]

🤷

[spice patio]

Yes.
Old is under Documents

IIRC Documents\My Games\Satisfactory

[wispy sun]

after making residual fuel in the refinery is it supposed to come out with a conveyor belt or a pipe?

[reef basin]

is fuel fluid or solid? 🙂

[wispy sun]

it says it can be packaged

[reef basin]

sure. Did you package it?

if you have a packager that packages fuel, then that comes out as solid

[wispy sun]

ahh that makes sense just wanted to ask

also does it usually take that long for oil to get to refineries first

[reef basin]

pipes like to be full before they can be fully utilised (though it can work with less than full pipes as well)

so if your pipes are long or complex, it may take time to stabilise (or there's a build issue)

[wispy sun]

ill send a screenshot of how i built it in #screenshots

[reef basin]

#screenshots is for showing off builds
if you want to get help with a build, use #1038092680493801533

[wispy sun]

right

[fluid sapphire]

@frail pecan trains always take the shortest path

[frail pecan]

Understand, but how to make this work then 🙂

[reef basin]

you cannot make stackers work

unless each rail goes to a different station separately (at that point it's no longer a stacker tho)

[fluid sapphire]

have your trains operate with enough headroom not to need this

best you can do is shortcuts for any given route

[fiery pewter]

Don't occupy the track the train wants to take

[fluid sapphire]

i think i have heard of a mod that gives trains dynamic pathing

[hollow hazel]

Trains aren't like lightning. They take the shortest route, not the route of least resistance.

[fiery pewter]

I want to build tracks on walls

[twin parcel]

guys , its my first time setting up trains , why it says station unreachable?

[fluid sapphire]

its backwards

[fiery pewter]

Or not connected

Somewhere somehow

[fluid sapphire]

im playing the odds here

curved end out #screenshots message

[fiery pewter]

I'd solve that traffic jam if I were you

[fluid sapphire]

it might solve itself

[twin parcel]

i checked the tracks , its connected

maybe i placed the station backwards

[fluid sapphire]

i have two trains going to a station but there is no waiting bay, so one just holds up the main line, but the factory that this station feeds only operates at half capacity, but thats temporary

[fluid sapphire]

check the screenshot, 9 times out of 10 thats what that error means

[twin parcel]

now it says path is invalid?

[fluid sapphire]

signaling problem?

i think that means you have a signal thats backwards somewhere

[fossil hatch]

is solid biofuel or biomass bbetter in biomass burners

[fluid sapphire]

solid is the next step, isnt it?

[hollow hazel]

imagine the next step being a step back 😅

[fiery pewter]

Plutonium to ficsonium

[fossil hatch]

yeah buut it says 4 min but biomass says 10

[fluid sapphire]

its more energy dense

[fossil hatch]

alr thanks

[twin parcel]

eh , its good trade off for removing waste.

[tranquil cargo]

guys im new to the game but im nearing completing stage 5, after i complete it will i still be able to play on my world or will i need to start a new one

[fluid sapphire]

you can keep going forever

or at least until your computer explodes

[twin parcel]

u can continue playing , if you build anything huge and crazy without blueprints , good luck deleting them .

[tranquil cargo]

so is it that (becouse i assume there will be a cutscene or smth) after i complete stage 5 and launch the space elevator i can just go back and do whatever i want

[fluid sapphire]

SCIM makes short work of that

[fluid sapphire]

yeah dawg you can just do whatever afterwards

[tranquil cargo]

whatever huh

i have a few ideas

[fluid sapphire]

i think you get the end credits and then the game just continues

as if nothing happened

[tranquil cargo]

oh so like minecraft or subnautica

alr while i was talking the last of the parts for stage 5 completed, i specially avoided spoilers for the ending animation or whatever so im hoping it will be cool

[fluid sapphire]

dont know, 1250 hours and i havent seen it myself xd

but it was never about the "story" anyway, its a sandbox innit

[unkempt blade]

Yeah but it has the most unhinged ending I mean who would have thought that ||the titanic sinks at the end of the movie||

[fluid sapphire]

wow, spoiler, how rude

i had to click on it

[unkempt blade]

Hey I used the tags for it! You were warned

[fluid sapphire]

i really think we need to extend the statute of limitations on spoilers to something like 50 years, maybe even 100

[wispy sun]

why do my refineries just suddenly stop working even though they have the required materials?

[fluid sapphire]

output is full

[wispy sun]

so if im producing plastic with that heavy oil residue and that heavy oil residue is full that mean it will just stop producing?

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[wispy sun]

any way to fix it?

[fluid sapphire]

you can make the residue into coke and sink it, or fuel and burn it in a generator

first lesson in byproduct management

[wispy sun]

uhh i currently have it making me packaged residual fuel so i should stop that production?

[unkempt blade]

oh well in that case I should tell you that ||Mirage is just earth from the future. After humanity destroyed itself the apes catspiders took over|| since it's been over 50yr

[fluid sapphire]

no?

not clear what your setup is exactly

[wispy sun]

i meant swap that production to coke

[ornate saffron]

mmmmmcoke

[fluid sapphire]

no, packaging it is also fine, but it shouldnt be backing up in that case

you just have to make sure all your products go somewhere, in some form

[tranquil cargo]

huh well that was something

the animation was very nice i gotta say

[ornate saffron]

does your machine outputs say its empty ?

[wispy sun]

okay so, i made 8 refineries 4 making rubber 4 making plastic, 2 of them were going into storage and i built an overflow sink for them and the other 2 makes the packaged fuel residue and then those 2 plastic refineries just stopped working

and i forgot to mention i also have another 2 refineries making the residual fuel

[fluid sapphire]

i dont understand what you mean by packaged fuel residue?

you would have to make that in 2 steps, there isnt a recipe that does that in a single step?

you would first have to produce the residual fuel, then direct it to a packager to package it

[fiery root]

Wjat is the most convenient way to make steel? Cause like i cant crop that much coal cause i neet generators to go brrrm

[fluid sapphire]

solid steel is nice for the coal savings

[wispy sun]

yeah and i had 2 plastic refineries making the empty canister

forgot to mention that

[reef basin]

there's enough coal on the map for both generators and steel

[reef basin]

compacted better for that

[fluid sapphire]

at the cost of sulfur but sure

[reef basin]

well if goal is saving coal 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

solid is simpler and sticks to the same ingredients

but i guess

[fiery root]

Thats what your saying
My butt aint going to that east with 50 creatures per squaremeter that want me dead
I needa explore more

But unknown areas are scary

What if a demon alien creature comes to jump me?

[reef basin]

you kill it

then build stuff so they don't respawn

[fluid sapphire]

some kind of math or wiring error? make a post on #1038092680493801533 with more details, probably too long to solve here

[fiery root]

Uhhh so when i just clap foundations everywhere i basically make them go extinct?

[reef basin]

needs powered buildings

and they just prevent respawning, but don't despawn existing creatures

[fluid sapphire]

there is always peaceful mode

[fiery root]

So are you saying, when i abuse all of the planet for my production, and then go on a hunt, then i will make them extinct?

[fiery root]

But thats lame
I wanna use my gun

[reef basin]

if you build a powered building near each spawn point, yeah

[fluid sapphire]

fighting gets old after a couple hundred hours anyway

[ornate saffron]

on peaceful mode you still can, You just fire at them as they run away in fear

[fiery root]

So i am the demon in their heads?

Sick

[wispy sun]

i think that if i place a fuel buffer it should fix my problem no?

[fluid sapphire]

No, buffers don't ever fix any problems, if anything they create more or delay existing ones

The only place buffers are useful are for buffering trains

If your pipes and outputs are getting full, that means you're not using up all the product

The solution is to use the product, not collect it in a buffer for a bandaid

[wispy sun]

it fixed my issue

my plastic is being constantly produced now

[fluid sapphire]

It didn't, it just looks like that right now

[reef basin]

it delayed/hidden it

buffers almost never fix any issue

[fluid sapphire]

Once its full your system will clog again

[leaden turret]

[insert poop joke here]

[wispy sun]

so what can i actually do to fix that

[reef basin]

use the product

[fluid sapphire]

Check how much product you are making, and make sure it all gets used later down the line

[reef basin]

or describe your issue in deatil with images in #1038092680493801533

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah, this kind of issue is made quick work of on there

[fiery root]

Fellas
Is there any way to automate boring Biomass?

[reef basin]

container -> machines processing -> storage -> burners

[leaden turret]

short answer: no
long answer: noooooooo
longish answer: #1201555265942724758
longer answer: mods

[fiery root]

Thats what this game needs

[reef basin]

no

[fluid sapphire]

Better answer: coal power

[reef basin]

it's intentionally not possible to fully automate

[fiery root]

Machines for deforestation
Some nice big trucks carrying saws

[fiery root]

But my truck doesnt eat coal..

[reef basin]

it can

[fluid sapphire]

It does

[wispy sun]

just use them until you get coal gens

will make your life easier

[fiery root]

Really?

[fluid sapphire]

Yep

[normal orbit]

trucks run on every fuel available iirc

[wise junco]

I've seen a few people lately not thinking that vehicles take coal. Im wondering if the game interface isn't that clear for newcomers

[normal orbit]

theres no available fuel types for the trucks

unlike other like drones

and energy providers

[fluid sapphire]

there was a guy in my country 20 ish years ago that built a car that took firewood as fuel, wonder what happened to him

[normal orbit]

yea truck literally takes any fuel from leaves to plutonium

[fiery root]

It didn't had showed me coal in the upper collumn where thinks are you likely need

[normal orbit]

they even take ficsonium fuel rods which drone do not :p

[unkempt blade]

wait really? new endgame personal goal unlocked!

[violet glen]

I still don't see myself ever using vehicles for goods transport

Trains just seem so much better

[wise junco]

I have some ideas personally once 1.2 is stable but they are purely for fun

[normal orbit]

trains are a whole phase later, and with the rework in 1.2 trucks are quite good

[scarlet pine]

Depends drones can be really good for medium distance

[violet glen]

Yeah, but you can pretty easily rush to trains

[unkempt blade]

I'm partial to carts but a variety of vehicles makes the build a lot more interesting

[fiery root]

I mean a Truck is a 60 km/h storage container

[violet glen]

It's definitely interesting, but seems a bit impractical

[scarlet pine]

Well it always depends on the quantity of items u need to supply

Id not use trucks to get things straight out of nodes

[unkempt blade]

it's kind of just doing what a vehicles is good at (ex don't move high volume ore with drones) and building with the vehicle in mind (having ways to get fuel to vehicles that need fuel)

[scarlet pine]

But shipping between factories works great

[normal orbit]

with the new vehicle paths you can just add more trucks, and the paths are smart with essentially built in train signals so they wont collide

[violet glen]

I might also be influenced by the region I chose to build in, i.e. the west shore, where most nodes are on top of cliffs

or on islands

[scarlet pine]

bridges

they look really cool

[fiery root]

I think it would be funny to use a Truck for Explorations
Or more if i need to stsrt a New factory quite far away. It can take all my cement and stuff so i can do everything in one go, and not need 5 walks

[violet glen]

so do train bridges :D

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I think the new way to create paths is probably better for the majority of people. I'm a little worried about what will happen to my just-for-fun carts doing tricks in the skatepark 24x7 though 😄

[scarlet pine]

yeah but they are a little more spacey

[unkempt blade]

The interface for the current vehicle recorder is a bit of an effort to use especially for longer routes

[unkempt blade]

I used to do stuff like that more in EA before we got the dimensional depot. For big builds I'd run temporary train rail back to my mall and bring a full train of materials at a time for the new build

[fiery root]

Understandable. For a New pioneer like me, who just has this trucks as a option it is surely great

[unkempt blade]

the explorer is pretty fun too, you just get it a little late in the game imo (after blade runners, jetpack, etc. usually)

with all the new map options I think one that starts you off with some sort of vehicle/rover would be fun

[normal orbit]

you can make explorer in phase 2 fairly easily

[unkempt blade]

I guess if you're handcrafting the manufacturer stuff you could

[normal orbit]

the limiting factor is the steel to make pipes and stators for the motors

[unkempt blade]

I guess looking at the build cost + research cost it's really only 15 oscillators... that's less of a handcraft burden than I thought

[normal orbit]

yea its not too bad to dink out

[south lion]

how could i make a pipe overflow system? kinda like an overflow smart splitter for fluids

[normal orbit]

you dont, really

[leaden turret]

if it's not listed in the plumbing manual pinned in #math-and-meta, it's not a good idea / not possible

[wanton sky]

Do valves stop flowback?

[leaden turret]

you could also just do a package/unpackage system

[normal orbit]

valves prevent backflow thru the valve itself

[south lion]

oh alr

[unkempt blade]

Add a little bump so it prioritizes what's before the bump. Have the stuff after the bump turn into wet concrete or something

---send this to primary use----^raised section^-----turn extra into something solid/sinkable-----

[south lion]

alr i'll try that

[unkempt blade]

you could also just downclock whatever is producing the fluid depending on where it is in the production chain

[south lion]

well i wanted to but i need this specific amount of plastic that those refineries make

at least i think idk i gotta check

[fluid sapphire]

For what

[coarse shadow]

Is Solid Steel Ingot a good recipe?

[arctic hound]

just loaded my game and it blew a fuse on my powergrid.......odd. does this happen with nuclear reactors?

[normal orbit]

its very good yes

[south lion]

nvm i forgot i unlocked smart splitters after 20 million hours on this game so i dont need the exact plastic amount anymore

[unkempt blade]

if you're dealing with oil residue you'll get fuel soon and that's a great option to turn it into then burn it off in fuel gens

[reef basin]

all recipes are good

[south lion]

nah this is a turbofuel factory

[reef basin]

only through the valve, but backflow can still appear in any pipe segment

[worn oar]

Is there a way to only produce coal power to meet demand? Or oil power?

Like biomass burners do automatically

[reef basin]

no, but also no reason to limit it

since nodes are infinite

[worn oar]

I want my coal to also function as the place for filters and black powder since I don't need that much of either, not enough to warrant getting new nodes for that purpose

[reef basin]

yeah that's not possible

[worn oar]

But I guess I could just siphon it off and let the buffers on those machines back up to balance the system

Better than nothing

[reef basin]

yeah you can replace one gen with the machine or something

[sterile blade]

... Maybe
But it would almost surely require a lot of tinkering with priority power switches and "logic-gates-like" contraptions (which are a whole topic on their own)

[worn oar]

Satisfactory doesn't have a circuit system like some of these other games do

[reef basin]

not directly

but it is turing complete

[sterile blade]

Logic circuits/gates can be created in the game, but they require quite a bit of buildings for each basic gate

[worn oar]

Really?

[reef basin]

well, AND and OR gates are one building each

[normal orbit]

automated power will always be on, since theres no drawback to it. infinite resources

[reef basin]

but you spend more effort and power and everything on making the gate to save a few pieces of coal 😄

[normal orbit]

theres like 60 coal nodes on the map of various quality

[worn oar]

I hate the outdoors, it's full of leggy spiders and nuclear hogs

[fluid sapphire]

Build a ceiling over the whole map, no longer outdoors :🧠

[worn oar]

How many trillions of concrete do I need for that?

[reef basin]

most likely would be over entity limit anyway

[sterile blade]

You should ask the person who actually did that

[normal orbit]

took like 1.4 million foundations iirc

[fluid sapphire]

Surely probably fine

That doesnt sound like a lot

[worn oar]

Entity limit suggestion

[tranquil cargo]

hey i just bought the patterns pack from the store, is it possible to put them on walls or are they limited to top of foundations only?

[sterile blade]

Foundations are also zoopable and thus optimizeable on object count ^^

[normal orbit]

? zooping foundation doesnt make them count as fewer objects

[sterile blade]

Just foundations (so far? 🤞)

[sterile blade]

Zoopable objects generally can be "merged" internally into big chunks, greatly reducing uObject count

[normal orbit]

doubt that, zoop just builds ten items at once, not counting ten as one.

they also dont count towards uobject limits

[sterile blade]

It massively brought down the object count on savefiles when it dropped.
It's applied whenever you build something, so one doesn't need to actually Zoop the items (nor is the optimization necessarily limited to 10, which is still a great "compression" level)

[normal orbit]

they redid how uobject stuff worked with moe to UE5 in update 8 which made things like foundations, walls, which have no variations or calculations not count as uobjects

[sterile blade]

What don't count?

[sterile blade]

That is different from what I read...
Do you have a source on hand?

[normal orbit]

pretty sure it was in one of the dev streams during update 8

[sterile blade]

That includes quite a lot of content 😅

[fluid sapphire]

i heard some objects take no uobjects at all, some take multiple

[sterile blade]

Tbh, I don't think I've read about buildables needing no uobjects at all yet...

[normal orbit]

yea if you make a floor hole lift, both the upper and lower bit will be one uobject each. so two total, if you pull the lift thru the floor then nudge the floorhole over it, its only one uobject for example

wiki has it

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Unreal_Engine#Lightweight_Actors

Common examples of Data Only Objects are Foundations, Walls, Roofs, Fences, Walkways, etc. Notable benefits include: Lightweight Actors have 0 UObjects

[worn oar]

So if I go on a diet I won't count against the UObject limit?

[weak mesa]

where can i report an expermental bug i found?

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @ornate saffron

[ornate saffron]

Thats the link. There is a link in game to in the menu

[weak mesa]

thanks

[rough shore]

kill all lizard doggos to reduce uobjects

[normal orbit]

monster

[tranquil cargo]

oh, that kinda ruins my plans but i hope they add that someday, i dont see why not

[fluid sapphire]

i reckon its a bit tricky with all the different types of walls, you know, stuff like windows and triangle shaped walls and all that

foundations are much more uniform

[unkempt blade]

not quite the same but at least many of those symbols are also available as part of signs

[worn oar]

I have this weird feeling that there's something else you could do besides this. Wonder why I have that feeling.

[fluid sapphire]

global deforestation to reduce performance overhead from foliage 🧠

[worn oar]

It's the other way around :(

[fluid sapphire]

i know, its a bit funny

[fiery root]

Do trees respawn? Or are they a limited ressource?

[rich parrot]

They do not respawn. If you want endless biofuel, you must go on a never-ending murder spree.

[wheat reef]

Does chainsaw no longer gets resources? I just got down a lot of trees abd cacti and got no micelia or wood

[worn oar]

Your inventory is full

[wheat reef]

nope, half empty

[worn oar]

They can respawn if map changes in updates make them respawn, otherwise no

[fiery root]

Some things have to be done in order to save them kitties and puppies back home

[wheat reef]

dropped chainsaw, picked it nack up, now Im getting everything

[fiery root]

Half empty, half full,
I say you are only half efficient

[wheat reef]

now this one hurts

[rich parrot]

I find it strangely satisfying to have an entire factory fueled by the suffering of the local wildlife. All them critters beaten to pulp with a big stick, their tender flesh ready to serve my industry.

[fiery root]

Either the short pain of the truth or the long not ending fassade of a lie u say everytime u look in the mirror

[reef basin]

no and no

[fiery root]

Serves them right for living on my ressources

[fluid sapphire]

SCIM can be used to respawn foliage

[ornate saffron]

You could also go the murder route

[fluid sapphire]

use the select tool, one of the options is to respawn foliage

[ornate saffron]

Its better to murder amd turn the remains into biomass 😛

Power your world with the corpses of your enemies

[fluid sapphire]

yeah if you accidentally nuke some foliage, you can fix it

[fiery root]

Why would i wanna fix that?

Dont say for nothing.
U showed nature who is the Boss here

[ornate saffron]

Destroying the biome is kinda why you are there

[fiery root]

No man my contract says to save the planet.
And the kitties.
And puppies

[ornate saffron]

Earth.

You are not there to save the lizard doggos

[fiery root]

I am sorry sir
But thos doggos seem lovely

I trapped one in my truck highway

[sturdy mural]

hm

what do i do if i am locked out of an achievement

[reef basin]

make a new game to do that achievement

[sturdy mural]

so i have to beat the whole game again 🙏

[fluid sapphire]

which achievement

[sturdy mural]

Efficiency First
(all milestones)

[fluid sapphire]

used to be something called steam achievement manager, might be still out there

[sturdy mural]

boooo SAM 🍅 🍅 🍅

[fluid sapphire]

what did you expect, what difference does it make?

[sturdy mural]

i like my medals legit

[fluid sapphire]

i thought it was? that you just got locked out?

[sturdy mural]

on the save

[violet glen]

You can get locked out of that achivement?

[fluid sapphire]

did you complete all milestones?

[sturdy mural]

give me a sec i'll send in #screenshots

[fluid sapphire]

if you play on a dedicated server for example, and someone completes the last one while you are not there, maybe?

[sturdy mural]

its a singleplayer world, no one has ever stepped foot in it other than me

[violet glen]

Yeah, I kinda assumed single player.

In multiplayer you can of course miss stuff

[worn oar]

Forgot to unlock jump pads?

[ornate saffron]

I had to do the on boarding process as I skipped it during 1.0 so I didn't get the achievement lol

[sturdy mural]

give me a second, #screenshots

[violet glen]

oh, so if you check the "skip tutorial" part, you need to do the tutorial again on a new safe? :D

[ornate saffron]

Lol ya, i played during early access. Tbh i didn't even think about achievements until I joined this discord in oct

[sturdy mural]

#screenshots message @fluid sapphire@worn oar@violet glen (pinging yall cuz you were involved in the convo??)

also yes, i DID do the onboarding
(twice actually, once by myself and also multiplayer w/ someone)

[fluid sapphire]

clearly you have done all of them, so using SAM to fix an error would still be legit?

[violet glen]

I assume if you click through the other phases, there's also no new ones added by a later patch?

Not sure if they would neccesarily make the tab white again

[worn oar]

First check that you actually did all the milestones. If you did, force allow cheats in SML mod savegame settings to unlock the console, then run the command GiveSchematicsOfTier 1, where 1 is each tier until it fixes it.

[sturdy mural]

they're all blacked out (the tiers)
uncompleted ones still glow

milestones too

[ornate saffron]

Did you skip the on boarding?

[sturdy mural]

no
even if i did - i completed the onboarding twice

[worn oar]

I already gave him the fix lol

[unkempt blade]

yeah but you didn't even mention that they should use more factory carts so it was mid advice at best

[worn oar]

Oh no, I'm sorry, let's try again. Using a nand logic gate operating at 2 hz, order your fleet of 25 factory carts to try and slam into the HUB at max speed every frame while repeatedly closing and opening the milestone menu. That ought to do it.

If it doesn't, you'll have to restart the entire game from scratch. There's simply no other way. Good luck!

[fluid sapphire]

achievement is broken through no fault of my own, i want to fix it, but i also dont

[hollow hazel]

I just counted every milestone. From Tier 0 to 9, there are 48 milestones, so the achievement number of 42 does not make sense unless you exclude the onboarding.

[orchid zinc]

Is there a problem with having 3 tier 1 conveyor belts carrying 45, 45, 30 steel ingots each going into a merger with a tier 2 conveyor belt as output? It looks like a bottle neck but it shouldnt be in my head?

[rough shore]

what

[latent prawn]

no, but when you watch it, the belts will look like they are stuttering. is fine. just the way it works

[rough shore]

or maybe they are doing more than 45 45 30 cuz maybe the output was stuck in the machines until u placed the belts

[orchid zinc]

Okay i think i found the problem, i had to remove a conveyor lift that roleplayed as a tier 2 and place it again and it seems to have improved the throughput. Is this a common thing?

[latent prawn]

probably the action removed some items from the belt that in turn caused the system to be less full. give it time and you'll see the same behavior

[crisp barn]

ok, why does this game use 4x anisotropic filtering when 16x is so much better for almost 0 cost

and its really visible on catwalks too

[latent prawn]

so that people who keep up with the cutting edge algorithms will always say 'this game should do xyz which was invented after it was written' 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

If this was post-merge, yeaah

[orchid zinc]

Can you put the bug in other words so i know what to remember please?

[crisp barn]

its 30 years old -_-

[latent prawn]

more seriously, the devs are testing with a wide variety of hardware and trying to hit a middle ground where the game looks pretty good on older graphics cards as well and there's only so many things they can look at and tweak, and often have things prioritized into todo lists

[fluid sapphire]

no bug, if you merge those 3, and after merging, you have a mk2 belt, and to that belt, downstream you have attached a mk1 lift, thats an obvious bottleneck

if this lift was attached to any line before merging, it should change nothing

[crisp barn]

Shown in #screenshots

[ornate saffron]

jobs.coffeestain.com/jobs/7506989-experienced-programmer-mobile

[rigid mist]

i downloaded the experimental and now i gotta reprocess shaders
it takes 45 minutes on average
i've been here 20 minutes and it's at 42%

[hollow hazel]

It is hard to compare when the light comes from different angles.

[crisp barn]

just look at the catwalk in the middle

[hollow hazel]

Still not sure what I am looking for.

[faint willow]

Is there a way to blow up small rocks? There's one sticking out of my foundations that looks ugly as hell

Or is that possible with the detonator?

[hollow hazel]

If even a nuke can't do it, then it was not setup for removal and you'd most probably need to use an Object Deletion mod (and mods only work for 1.1).

[faint willow]

I haven't unlocked the detonator yet so I haven't tried

[crisp barn]

texture quality in the distance. On the first image the transition between different texture qualities is closer and a lot more noticable than on the second image

[hollow hazel]

Yeah, sorry, I do not have such refined eyes to tell the difference between the graphical equivalent of port and chateau.

[faint willow]

#screenshots message

This is the rock I'm talking about

[hollow hazel]

Well, you're gonna need Alfred Nobel's finest sooner or later so might as well get to building that detonator.

[faint willow]

Yeah all I'm missing is steel pipes atp

[gleaming wasp]

what's the best fuel for a jetpack? i'm on phase 3 and used the jetpack for a short stint. however, it just seems like more effort than it's worth, even when using the packaged turbofuel.

[crisp barn]

liquid biofuel is generally the best

• you cen get a LOT of packaged biomass with somersloops

[gleaming wasp]

really? it just seems a pain to get, and (rather ironically) seems like the only non-renewable fuel in the game

am i just missing something?

[crisp barn]

yes, but because of somersloop you can duplicate the output multiple times which makes it a lot easier

for example: 1 hog remains -> 2 hog protein -> 200 biomass -> 200 solid biofuel

I got 75k solid biomass from just running around a bit

[gleaming wasp]

oh i didn't know you could get biomass from proteins

[crisp barn]

#screenshots message

[gleaming wasp]

i thought it was just plants

[fluid sapphire]

whats such a pain about it? build a system that lets you chuck in all kinds of biomass in a container, be it remains, leaves, wood or whatever, have it do the work for you, its very easy to generate ludicrous amounts of packaged liquid biofuel

[crisp barn]

• you can search for stuff while you run around killing mobs

[gleaming wasp]

well in comparison to turbo or regular fuel, it's the only one that isn't fully automatic

[fluid sapphire]

you can spend 5 minutes chainsawing in a forest and make enough fuel from that to last hundreds of hours

[rigid mist]

my idea:
everything conglomerated into one space, no organization, different production placed haphazardly
the factory growing out of one spot like a tumour

[austere mango]

Hello, can someone help me with an issue that i'm having with energy? The moment that i go far from my fuel energy farm it "down-performs" but the exact moment that i go near it, it goes back to stable (sorry for my bad english, i can't explane it in a better way)

[crisp barn]

lets game it out👀

[rigid mist]

that but even worse
not just up but in every direction
like a ball of factory

[gleaming wasp]

acc if you plan it from the very start of the game to the very end that doesn't seem like a terrible strategy

[gleaming wasp]

but i like the forests ☹️

[rigid mist]

terrible for my performance yes, but i think it would look cool
sort of an aperature science aesthetic

[fluid sapphire]

then power through some unlocks, unlock ionized fuel and never look back

[gleaming wasp]

exactly

[gleaming wasp]

would it be viable to just kill creatures?

[fluid sapphire]

totally

[gleaming wasp]

what i like about that idea is that they respawn

[fluid sapphire]

they do, it just doesnt matter long term

once you get ionized, using liquid bio is mid

[gleaming wasp]

is ionised the slug one?

[rigid mist]

is there a way to turn off clipping
i like a challenge

[royal mortar]

asking questions here seems often more difficult that necessary, when you can't attach a screenshot 🫣 🥲

[rigid mist]

just send it in #screenshots and then link the message

[gleaming wasp]

at what point do you get ionised? i haven't even gotten a fully functional fuel plant up yet

[fluid sapphire]

you were talking about turbo so i assumed you could produce that

[gleaming wasp]

that was on an old save

[fluid sapphire]

its not far off from turbo

[gleaming wasp]

true

[royal mortar]

i know, it's just more complicated, because i need to create 2 messages and reply and response also gets more complicated, and my head immediately goes: meh, never mind 🫣

[narrow canyon]

Rocket is all you need

[gleaming wasp]

acc that message was misleading

[gilded fern]

can I post a paint drawing here for help with trains, I've been at this for like 2 hours and I don't know how to really handle signals and collisions in bidirectional tracks

[fluid sapphire]

ionized is superior for jetpack, its easy to set up temporary production and produce enough to last hundreds of hours

[gleaming wasp]

i HAD a turbofuel plant up, was about to use it, but someone told me diluted fuel was better

so i tore down the turbofuel plant and made a new diluted fuel plant

[fluid sapphire]

turbo can be OK for jetpack in terms of lift. before i got to rocket fuel, i swapped between liquid bio and turbo

[gleaming wasp]

i don't want it to take up that much inventory space

i already get annoyed at the inventory limitations

[fluid sapphire]

use dimensional depots

[gleaming wasp]

oh yeah

[fluid sapphire]

inventory management becomes a joke

[gleaming wasp]

forgot about those

[fluid sapphire]

1 slot vs 2 slots. its nothing

[hollow hazel]

Start a post in #1038092680493801533

[worn oar]

Use Infinity Dynamic Inventory Slot

[fluid sapphire]

thats silly when you can just use depots

[gleaming wasp]

the what?

[worn oar]

No it isn't

[fluid sapphire]

mod for infinite inventory space

[worn oar]

DD is severely limited

[gleaming wasp]

oh

[fluid sapphire]

DD can serve the average player well enough

[gleaming wasp]

that kinda feels like cheating tho

[worn oar]

Can't even build one phase 3 factory without waiting for refills

[fluid sapphire]

use more uploaders per item

[pallid gazelle]

hi, the global inventory has a different limited quantity for each item?

[fluid sapphire]

you can stack the rate, i often use 6-8 uploaders for any given item

[worn oar]

Stack size x stack limit

[pallid gazelle]

so yes?

[fluid sapphire]

what is "global inventory"

[worn oar]

Linux? If so just turn it off in Steam settings, it's a great way to shred your hard drive for little gain

[ornate saffron]

They are limited by stacks. Default is one stack. One stack of wire is 500 one stack of ore is 100.

[gleaming wasp]

but there's a limited number of mercer spheres in the world, hence a limited number of DDs

6-8 for one item seems wasteful

[fluid sapphire]

you get 200 spheres to make uploaders

hardly

not for everything, for late game components obviously you dont need that many

but for stuff like concrete, copper sheets, wire, you name it, its worth it

[gleaming wasp]

i mean now that i think about it you don't need that many different items for builds

[fluid sapphire]

you do, but you also get lots of spheres

[gleaming wasp]

but yeah true

[fluid sapphire]

i also got free extras thanks to not one, but two patches respawning them in the world

[worn oar]

Nonsense, I need 1000 heavy modular frames/minute uploaded directly to the cloud

[fluid sapphire]

so i go extra ham with uploaders

[rigid mist]

i have 1.5 tb.
i don't care about space, it just takes 40 minutes once every few months

[fluid sapphire]

thats a measly 4 uploaders if we round it a bit

[ornate saffron]

I have seven uploaded for concrete

[worn oar]

There isnt enough iron ore in the game

[fluid sapphire]

what

[worn oar]

THERE ISN'T ENOUGH IRON ORE IN THE GAME

[rigid mist]

just convert it

[worn oar]

Even with converters

[fluid sapphire]

enough ore for what?

whats this got to do with uploading 1000 HMF per minute

[ornate saffron]

1000min hmf

[fluid sapphire]

ok? you dont need to produce that many to upload that many?>

[hollow hazel]

Ryzor said nothing about space. The more the disk is used... well... I'm one to talk and it depends. SSDs have a lower read/write limit than HDD, but HDD scratches are easier to recover.

[fluid sapphire]

you really think i produce 2000 copper sheets a minute just for building?

[worn oar]

🙄

[rigid mist]

i only reprocess them after a major update or a fresh install, so at most 3 times a year
and it saves me tons of time on each boot

[ornate saffron]

Your absolutely right

[late jetty]

am i insane for finding marking and catogorically organizing my resource nodes BEFORE i build anything?

[worn oar]

If you want to do this just get radar towers or resource node marking mod, don't do this to yourself

[ornate saffron]

If this brings you joy, you are one of us

[sterile blade]

No, we already have @fluid sapphire at home

[fluid sapphire]

there is only one of me, thank you

we are different people

[hollow hazel]

And I've had the problem of having to Verify Files of the entire environment (game, proton, runtimes) for each update, big or small. Heck, it has basically become a habit as the first thing I do when opening Steam to play the game. Open Steam, Verify Files, make a cuppa, come back, and get to gaming.

[late jetty]

so how do i get those at the start of the game, i said BEFORE i build anything, meaning still tier 1

[worn oar]

Resource node marking mod

I just said that

[late jetty]

why would i use a mod when i can do it already with the map? just seems lazy

[worn oar]

🤦🏻‍♂️ so you don't have to waste your own time

[rigid mist]

I personally, have never had to wait more than 5 minutes on a regular launch from starting up my PC

[hollow hazel]

That might be a little excessive, but as long as I am able to play in a stable manner for the whole day I don't care how long it takes. Like if I was redownloading everything over a 56k modem. 😝

[ornate saffron]

@late jetty I ment we are all odd here

[gleaming wasp]

how many different material types do you need for a build late-game?

[hollow hazel]

I've learned patience from way back in the days of loading games from cassette tapes.

[late jetty]

ik, im just showing it, you can see the markers filling my map

[fluid sapphire]

i dont have an exact number, i just notice its less and less new ones with each phase, phase 4 has a lot, phase 5 only a handful

[gleaming wasp]

really?

ive noticed that it's only grown from phases 1-3, and i'd assume it would follow that trend

like how 1 only needed cable, wire, reinforced plate, concrete, plate

but phase 3 needs all of those, along with rotors, plastic, rubber, quickwire, motors, copper sheet, ect, ect

[hollow hazel]

If you don't mind spoilers of what's to come, you can always open the official wiki and browse buildings.

[pallid gazelle]

why there are cats in my game?

[ornate saffron]

Arachnophobia mode

[gleaming wasp]

spoilers? you mean like all the ||dark matter|| and the ||particle accelerator|| things?

[hollow hazel]

Have fun planning your resources and DDs. 😉

[storm zephyr]

lowkey i think the uranium deposit at the top of the huge mountain should be pure

[gleaming wasp]

also what is the best fuel source? i've been told diluted fuel is the best but i just want a second opinion

[storm zephyr]

or at LEAST normal

[dark rapids]

Liquid biofuel

[gleaming wasp]

like for generators?

[hollow hazel]

!wikisearch fuel+generators

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+generators

[dawn path]

which do yall prefer, SFtools or SF modeler for planning out massive factories? i prefer SFtools but i havent given modeler a fair shot and i wanna hear if its worth switching to

[storm zephyr]

how the hell do you use block signals

[hollow hazel]

Stick them on a track intermittently, preferably twice the length of your longest train.

[storm zephyr]

so just split my track up into longer segments so they cant collide?

[faint willow]

With the weird offset I've got going on with these rocks and stuff, I'm thinking I might just use the one miner... plus I've got a good thing going rn with the building

[storm zephyr]

what do your guys' hotbars look like

[hollow hazel]

Something like this: #screenshots message

[hollow hazel]

Also, don't forget, there are plenty of YouTube tutorials and videos you can study.

[storm zephyr]

that's pretty strange

[fluid sapphire]

in terms of ROI on effort, diluted fuel is probably the best bet until you can make rocket fuel

i think think turbo fuel is worth the effort for power generation

[gleaming wasp]

ROI?

[fluid sapphire]

return on investment

[gleaming wasp]

oh

what about ionised fuel?

[fluid sapphire]

that is to say, turbo is more effort than i think its worth personally

[gleaming wasp]

isn't that more expensive than the rocket fuel?

[fluid sapphire]

ionized is good for the jetpack, and you could maybe make a case for drones (though rocket fuel is also already very good for drones), for power generation, ionized fuel is energy negative, it costs more power to produce than what you get out of burning it

[gleaming wasp]

ive intentionally made it so that i don't have to use steel for encased pipes or steel pipes

do you have to use steel later on in the game?

[fluid sapphire]

all sorts of recipe chains probably use steel

[gleaming wasp]

eh i like making long ass conveyor belts instead of trains or drones

[fluid sapphire]

if you say so, conveyors scale poorly though

rail is reusable, drones are just convenient

[storm zephyr]

this is what mine look like #screenshots message

[worn oar]

They're the only thing in the game that scales perfectly.

[hollow hazel]

Well, you seem to prioritize two belts, splitters and a merger, tubes and pipe valves. Ever thought of having one of each category and hold E to cycle through them?

[storm zephyr]

i have not actually

[gleaming wasp]

how so?

[worn oar]

I think he means they require more work

[gleaming wasp]

oh

[worn oar]

Scale was not the right word there

[gleaming wasp]

yeah idc about that

i don't like the look of trains, and it's easier to just have a massive conveyor

[fluid sapphire]

rail has near infinite potential for throughput, with conveyors any time you want more capacity or a new product, you have to build more, it makes it difficult to build large facilities

[gleaming wasp]

how does it have that much potential?

[worn oar]

Belts have a perfectly elastic thoroughput. It's not possible to bottleneck. It just requires more time upfront to build, which is a pretty big downside

[gleaming wasp]

ive checked on the wiki. the only thing steel is used for is pipes and beams. you can use just iron to make pipes and i will be able to make beams with aluminum.

[gleaming wasp]

i got time

[storm zephyr]

god DAMN these cats can aim

[fluid sapphire]

steel beams, pipes and encased beams are mostly used for buildables

i guess for production its mostly just HMF and uranium fuel rods

making beams from aluminum is a waste of aluminum imo

[fluid sapphire]

multiple trains can use the same rail

[gleaming wasp]

would it be advisory to use ||converters|| to ||convert|| the coal into quartz and then into whatever ore i want?

[fluid sapphire]

a single rail line can carry much, much more than a conveyor

[gleaming wasp]

haven't thought of that

[fluid sapphire]

rail is best set up as a network, when you need new routes, you can expand an already existing network

[gleaming wasp]

smart

is it just that it's kinda annoying to figure out?

[storm zephyr]

at one point i built a rail network around the whole map in the ocean just to realize i didnt actually need all that and i wasted 2 hours

[fluid sapphire]

thats why you are better off connecting factories, not building random rail for its own sake

[fluid sapphire]

there is a learning curve, but it pays big dividends

[storm zephyr]

why is the blender so HUGE

[gleaming wasp]

what is the last thing you ever make in the game?

like the hardest thing to make?

[worn oar]

Ballistic warp drive

[storm zephyr]

the meta is having 500 ficsit factory carts to replace trucks

[fluid sapphire]

its a good meta but carts cant handle harsh terrain

[worn oar]

Not with that attitude

[storm zephyr]

yes they can you just need to believe

[rigid mist]

as the great doshdoshington once said
"a 'put anything where it fits' kind of base"

[gleaming wasp]

do you need to use the adaptive control unit in making that?

[cinder jay]

wheres the highest cliff in the world?

[storm zephyr]

northeast

[gleaming wasp]

desert

[cinder jay]

ok ty

[gleaming wasp]

not really a desert but there's sand

[rigid mist]

#screenshots message there

[cinder jay]

okie ty

[storm zephyr]

is there anything like a priority merger for fluids

so wait, is headlift

is headlift shown in actual height or just pipe length

[fluid sapphire]

height

[fluid sapphire]

no, ACU are used for assembly director system -> biochemical sculptor

[worn oar]

Spire coast

Can't miss it

[exotic frigate]

mmmm aluminum (look in screenshots)

[cinder jay]

whats the most amount of power a crash site can need?

[normal orbit]

420 iirc

[cinder jay]

whats iirc?

[normal orbit]

if i recall correctly

[shy temple]

I need to get my aluminium going, but I am getting distracted making things pretty.

[exotic frigate]

im combining the output from every bauxite deposit and making all the aluminum in one place

[violet glen]

just have an alient power thingy at the ready, and you can open any freighter

[gleaming wasp]

are those useful? im planning on making a plant which produces 10 ACU/m and i wanna know it ain't going to waste

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need that many but its fine

that sets you up for 5 assembly director per minute, and 20 biochemical sculptor for minute if you build on top

assuming no sloops

i am planning a 1/min factory for each phase 5 part myself, and maybe make more later

[shy temple]

One doesnt need anything in satisfactory. It is about fulfilling the want

[gleaming wasp]

is making 30/m of those possible?

or feasable?

[fluid sapphire]

you can make about 73 without sloops i think

[storm zephyr]

why cant i load a truck

[hardy kindle]

Hello.

[storm zephyr]

the station is powered, filled with items and on load

[gleaming wasp]

without??!?!!

[storm zephyr]

the truck has fuel and the prompt is showing but the button doesnt do anything

[gleaming wasp]

like none at all?

[rough shore]

i think thats what without means yeah

[normal orbit]

you probably wanna do the math on the resources you have available, i believ that math is only making warp drives nothing else

[fiery root]

Hmmm could you provide some sortiert of illustration?

[rough shore]

did u try rebuilding it

cuz rebuilding things works a lot of the time cuz game

[storm zephyr]

i got it to load but idk what i did, now its not unloading

[fiery root]

Do again what you did

[pseudo mesa]

dont ask me questions

[leaden turret]

why?

[pseudo mesa]

wrong chat

satisfactory experimental

go there

[teal marsh]

so since #dedicated-servers is dead, does anyone have any public server suggestions?

I cant find any at all

[reef basin]

it's not dead, just probably nobody knows answer to your question

and SF mostly doesn't have public servers

[teal marsh]

shit

[cold berry]

Yeah, it's mostly play with friends if you want

AFAIK

[teal marsh]

I wanna play with people but I wanna play now and all my friends are busy ;-;

[reef basin]

since official support is for 4 players only, it's not much "public" anyway

[reef basin]

make your own server

and/or search in #1201555265942724758

[faint willow]

trying to imagine more than four people in this game is slightly nightmarish

[leaden turret]

people who are serving dedicatedly are in dedicated servers
if nobody is responding in dedicated servers then nobody is in dedicated servers because nobody is serving dedicatedly

[teal marsh]

again, I wanna play now, not in like 2 hours

[reef basin]

again, only place to ask for players is #1201555265942724758

[leaden turret]

play by yourself but watch people in #streams-and-videos

[reef basin]

but again, most people don't like to play with randoms

[faint willow]

#screenshots message

Wondering if it might not be a bad idea to add a new building and have the smelter array connected directly from this building as part of a shared wall.

Maybe an excuse to run the catwalks through that wall space?

[supple canopy]

hard to say without an outside vantage point

[faint willow]

Think I might already have a WIP, I'll post a screencap in a sec

#screenshots message

Walls might be overkill

Still 50/50 on those

[wet jungle]

[supple canopy]

you can have only one of each in their respective category, then hold E to chose the actual belt/foundation you need #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

yeah the radial menu is clutch for hot bar compression

[latent prawn]

i prefer cycling with 'e' instead of the visual menu

[hollow hazel]

Before I figured out I could hold E I was just counting my way up to the preferred mk belt or pipe.
5-pipe, E, E, E, E. Got my junction.
3-belt, E, E. Perfect speed for DD.

[plain marten]

will old vehicle paths still work in 1.2

[fluid sapphire]

why not both

[worn crown]

My train refuses to unload

[fluid sapphire]

check platform settings

[oak mauve]

Hello, did the transportation of unpackaged liquids with a train get removed in 1.2 experimental?

[fluid sapphire]

no?

[latent prawn]

yeah, i actually don't unlock the clean pipelines so that the cycle there stays small

[oak mauve]

I have liquid freight stations but there is no option to select those liquids when creating a route with the train

[hollow hazel]

What happens when you pump water into the station?

[violet glen]

you do have liquid carts in those spots, right?

[mild finch]

@plain marten nice road !

[oak mauve]

I do not have the option to build dedicated liquid carts

[fluid sapphire]

they dont exist

they never have

[oak mauve]

And the stations are full of water

[violet glen]

did that get changed? I could swear there were separate carts for liquid :D

Or am I confused with the truck?

[fluid sapphire]

no, there are only separate freight platforms

the cars are the same for both

[hollow hazel]

If the station is full of water, and it is set to load, then turn on Auto Driver or Dock the train to recieve the water onto the empty car(s).

[plain marten]

thx, this is the first save where im building roads and also building any detail. i tried making detail in my first save but i quit because they were all boxes and i will try to make buildings look nicer this time but i do lose motivation every time i look at other peoples builds😅

[worldly moss]

All my shit is stuck in a poison gas area

And I can't get it

[mild finch]

https://tenor.com/view/hornet-git-gud-hollow-knight-gif-487380231553167495

aw

i suppose i too should git gud

[fluid sapphire]

no embeds

[oak mauve]

How do you manually dock the train into the station?

[worldly moss]

I can see my stuff I keep dying

[fluid sapphire]

drive into the station, you should get a prompt

[violet glen]

man, fluids are weird and physics defying. I have a cluster of 6 industrial buffers sitting there, all about half full of liquid biofuel. In theory.
They're idle since hours. And yet fluid is very actively moving around still, some tanks brim full, others nearly empty.

[hollow hazel]

You drive it in and stop it at a very exact spot in the station, and if you did well it should prompt you to Press F to Dock

[mild finch]

i'm impressed by people doing curves

[oak mauve]

Ah thanks

Ok, when I manually dock the train, it can receive water now. But there is still no option to set it in the timetable

[mild finch]

just get a car or something idk

could help

[violet glen]

you direct the train to a desto, set the right unloader to unload, and the water goes there

[fluid sapphire]

?
#screenshots message

[worn oar]

I really doubt it.

[gleaming wasp]

yeah no im looking at the stats and it's insane

[oak mauve]

I put one screenshot in myself

[gleaming wasp]

ive done only a quarter of the needed recipe and i need like 2000m³ of water, 1200m³ of nitric acid and 800 iron per min

• it's like 24,000mw

[fluid sapphire]

those are not that crazy numbers really :p

[gleaming wasp]

really?

for my phase 3 ahh thats insane

thats like double my ACU factory

[fluid sapphire]

for phase 3 maybe? but you dont make those in phase 3

[reef basin]

yeah they are disabled to prevent the very thing you've tried to do 😛

[silver stream]

a question:

[reef basin]

better to ask in #1038092680493801533 and put screenshot there

[silver stream]

ok

but is fasst

for mod where?

[reef basin]

well, wasn't reply to you, but I guess if you're asking something that needs image, also go to #1038092680493801533 🙂

[reef basin]

if you're asking about mods, go to modding discord

[silver stream]

ok ok

[worn oar]

After wasting the last 6 minutes expanding the production tree, I concluded that you'll exhaust the world's supply of coal making diamonds before you're done.

[gleaming wasp]

you've gotta make diamonds?!

[worn oar]

#screenshots message

[gleaming wasp]

yeah no ion doing this

[fluid sapphire]

you can make diamonds from oil too

[gleaming wasp]

the rest is feasible because of "pure _____" recipies

if not expensive energy-wise

[worn oar]

Takes 9300 oil

[gleaming wasp]

but that seems like an obscene amount of coal

[fluid sapphire]

you can use.. both?

[worn oar]

That's heresy, straight to jail

[ashen quest]

hey I'm new in Satisfactory
In the scale of 1-10
How much adicting is the game?

[worn oar]

If you are engrossed by it 10, otherwise 5

[narrow canyon]

0

[gleaming wasp]

looking at it, what is the best diamond recipie?

from my perspective, the cloudy diamonds look really cost efficient

[worn oar]

It's subjective

[narrow canyon]

The one you have available resources to be able to make it

[worn oar]

Coke diamonds are probably not worth it if you can use coke steel

[gleaming wasp]

i avoid the use of steel entirely

[ashen quest]

Thx!

[ashen quest]

Thx!

[fluid sapphire]

it will eat your life, if you let it

[gleaming wasp]

it just seems better to use the iron counterparts

[safe abyss]

you will never stop wanting to build.

[gleaming wasp]

like iron pipe and aluminum beams

[ashen quest]

It's really that?

[ashen quest]

I see...

[fluid sapphire]

the only use case for aluminum beam is if for some reason you need beams for your setup where you already have aluminum but dont want to bother with steel - giant waste of aluminum imho

[royal mortar]

overwriting blueprints is bad, is it not?

[gleaming wasp]

also a tip: use an external software instead of calculating everything yourself. it seems like basic addition and multiplication at the start, but it gets really hard to keep track really fast. my personal recommendation is satisfactory modeler - it's a free software on steam that does all the calculations for you.

[worn oar]

Use case for aluminum beam is if you start out with 1,440/min aluminum ingot because you read that you'll need a lot of it and then realize it's not until much later that you need a lot of it and you really just wasted 4 hours doing nothing productive and now you have to scale up everything else to compensate

[fluid sapphire]

what

[ashen quest]

as long as there is no need to refer...

[worn oar]

That ain't no country I've ever heard of, do they speak English in what?

[fluid sapphire]

the hell that have to do with aluminum beam

[gleaming wasp]

i promise you after hour 100 it's basically a necessity if you want everything to run smoothly

[ashen quest]

alright hahaha
And what about the mods?

[fluid sapphire]

you dont need any for a first playthrough

the game is very fully featured as is

[gleaming wasp]

for wimps

the base game is fine as-is

[ashen quest]

i saw it, I was watching a spanish youtuber playing it and I just installed it on my Linux

[worn oar]

So basically, there are maybe 4 different ways to build out your production lines. All of them work, with drawbacks and benefits. If you don't want to refer to building planners, what you should do is build backwards from the most advanced machine.

I want to build 4 rotors, so I plop down an assembler. Then I see 100 screws and 20 rods. So I put down those and make the rod constructors for the screws. Then I make the ingots for the rods. Then I source my iron ore.

This won't be terribly efficient, but you don't need to care about efficiency if you don't want to. Where it gets hard is when recipes require a LOT of steps, like project parts. Then you'll have a tough time without a planner.

[ashen quest]

mmm so you have to start building from the final to the begining machine right?

[strange vortex]

Like 20 min ago I placed 12 coal generators + very mini plastic factory and now I dont have power in my entire base. What do i do? (Rn Im at start of the phase 3)

[fluid sapphire]

you can start from an end product, you dont have to build it backwards

[worn oar]

It's one way to do it, and the easiest without using a planner. You might end up with spaghetti though

And anyway the best way to experience this game is blindly, not by asking 20 questions. Just hop in.

It's the most fun way to learn it

[worn oar]

Show power graph in #screenshots

[plucky bone]

I don't use a planner for my builds. Lowkey hate them. I do the same. Place the machine and add the inputs. The in game calculator is great for it.

[ashen quest]

hahaha alright, thx to all for the answers

one more question
How's the modding state of the game? Like it's easy to make mods?

[stuck canopy]

why df does a programable spliter take a super computer if you want to put it on a lift??

[worn oar]

There are probably mods for everything you can think of

[ashen quest]

Any mods to make antimatter? 🗿

[fluid sapphire]

thats hilarious

[latent prawn]

its a bug, pre-1.0, they cost that to build. when put on a lift, something reverts to the old cost

similar happens for the priority mergers

[stuck canopy]

i cant place it

nvm misunderstood

[worn oar]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Dark_Matter_Crystal you have to make that to finish the game

[ashen quest]

ª

[green fiber]

antimatter is booooooring

we got that exotic matter

[south sinew]

dark matter isn't exotic matter

[fluid sapphire]

i made a path and turned on auto pilot for my truck, its not moving though

gave it a nudge and it started moving

[worn oar]

That happens sometimes, just drive it 10 feet from the flag

[fluid sapphire]

omg wtf is bro doing

just follow the arrows my guy

sheesh

[white dawn]

Yeah, the first time a vehicle joins a path it can get a bit screwy, but that should be the only time it screws up like that

Though make sure you don't have any blue pause nodes on your path -- if you save your game while a vehicle's stopped at one of those, and then load that save, that'll similarly cause the vehicle to sit there until you manually intervene

(Technically a similar sort of thing can happen on the yellow pause nodes at the truck stations, too, but the vehicles should recover from those within a few seconds)

[fluid sapphire]

i tried to simplify it as much as possible by removing a bunch of extra arrows

[reef basin]

better in #1038092680493801533

[cold berry]

It's it feasible to have an everything-bagel-ass mega-factory run on one smelter room? My plan was to split up the smelters into chunks, have 3 bar-output lines for Caterium, steel, copper and iron, have the two outside lines splitting into machine rooms, and then after every split the middle line will push more into the outside lines. Does that make sense?

Sort of a bar-restocker for the outside lines that go to machines

[reef basin]

depends on what do you mean by "feasible"

it's certainly not recommended