satisfactory

[dense violet]

this is the simplest and most reliable option though https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1286300794311938099/1286343954157277307/alum_options.png?ex=69b2d7a9&is=69b18629&hm=adadf35e03e2beea4cae804527ecc7069db499193d639a6d5e35a9c7aba90f96&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=894&height=1264

[normal orbit]

only caveat is you need to treat it as individual loops, you can't bundle em up

[tall lantern]

if aluminium processing needs say 300 water but gives 180 back, then instead of making 300 fresh water and then having to find a way to burn the extra 180 you get back, you can instead build so you only need 120 fresh in the first place

if you had another use in mind (eg you actively wanted to make Wet Concrete or whatever, rather than doing it just because you don't realise there's less wasteful options), then sure, by all means go for it

it's alllll part of the same overarching idea (if you squint): make what you need when you need it, rather than making something you don't need for the sake of it

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message this is what i mean with individual loops

[serene jolt]

THE LIMESTONE WON'T BREAK HOW DO I AUTOMATE IT AHHHHHHHH

[zenith pecan]

Wow damn, never had a sushi system troll in such an exacting way before.

[serene jolt]

Am i missing something

[reef basin]

wdym "won't break"?

[normal orbit]

put miner on rock, see red outline, smash the things with red outlines

be it other rock or creatures

[tall lantern]

or other pioneers

[normal orbit]

or yourself

[tall lantern]

just make sure it's the actual deposit you're hitting, not the node underneath

[serene jolt]

like i try to break the rock on top and nothing happens

[tall lantern]

hit it more

assuming it's a deposit and not a cracked boulder

[normal orbit]

are you hitting with the basher or the pick?

[ornate saffron]

is it rock or bualder

[serene jolt]

wait

how do i know which it is?

[tall lantern]

...does it look like a cracked boulder

[serene jolt]

shoot

[normal orbit]

boulder is grey and crackly

[tall lantern]

deposits look the same as the ore they're made of

cracked boulders look like cracked boulders

[normal orbit]

and are succeptible to pipe bombs or nuclear bombs :D

[tall lantern]

same tbh

[normal orbit]

or snowballs funnily enough

[serene jolt]

ok i found a different one but now it says i'm mining impure limestone?

[reef basin]

and that's good, right?

[tall lantern]

not a boulder this time then?

[serene jolt]

i hope not

[reef basin]

why not?

[tall lantern]

too early to deal with boulders

[serene jolt]

i sent you screenshots of each

[feral jay]

4000 hours and I'm just now setting up my first ever packaged gas loop

[zenith pecan]

I can't remember why the hell I picked 75 radio control units, I need like 41 ...

[serene jolt]

AHHHHH THIS GAME MAN

I can't find a limestone deposit that works

[tall lantern]

dig them up

[serene jolt]

I'M TRYING

[tall lantern]

TRY HARDER

[serene jolt]

GUYS I'M STUPID
\

[tall lantern]

again, make sure you're hitting the actual deposit, not the node

[feral jay]

If it's got a rock on top of it, that's a resource deposit, you need to clear that before placing a miner.

[serene jolt]

I'T WORKS NOW!!!

[tall lantern]

did you mine out the deposit this time 😛

[serene jolt]

bro i did the first time but it was bugged or something😭

[dense violet]

if there's a cracked boulder on top of a node you need to unlock explosives first

if 'tis a spiky rock you can mine, you just hold E to mine it until it shatters

[bleak valley]

Or just tap E and let it mine

[sudden flint]

Hear me out: new alt recipie
4m^3 Heavy Oil Residue + 2 polymer resin = 3m^3 Crude oil

[nova igloo]

how do you make good builds early game? I don't want to just make another box factory. I'm on my 2nd play through to see if I can build bigger and hopefully better

[sudden flint]

a hard ask, tbh. Most people I know just make their first factories bare production lines out in the open and only make something nice when they get the upgrades for it

[dense violet]

Yeah personally I wouldn't bother with prettiness until I've unlocked everything

[tall lantern]

might be some Awesome Shop stuff you can unlock, but you'll be somewhat limited early on

[sudden flint]

read: blueprints, signs, and higher tier belts

[dense violet]

but it's mostly the way you do it later. Except you won't hav ea hover pack and all the exciting pretty items to use

there's a number of ytubers that have vids with good tricks?
look up totalxclipse
but for hte most part planning and practice

[jagged nymph]

project connect 9 pure limestone nodes producing 4320 limestone per minute to the megafactory to produce 1440 concrete per minute for my various future projects is complete

[feral jay]

Looks like I finally got this cooling system factory running at 100%, I had to try a few different ways to get the nitrogen in

[jagged nymph]

use pipes

[feral jay]

lol, first I tried fluid trains but they were just too difficult to balance because I needed five cars to feed four pipes and I couldn't keep the pipes at 600/min with that load balancing, so I rejiggered it for a packaging loop

Now that I've got the cooling system factory running at 100%, the next challenge is to have the nitrogen packaging plant also run at 100%, it's overproducing right now

[dense violet]

you were training in unpackaged nitrogen ?\

[feral jay]

I was toying with it yeah

Had I designed the cooling system factory differently, it would have worked

[dense violet]

yeah your main issue would have been that Gas doesn't play well with fluid buffers

not in the same way that 'buffers at best do nothing or at worst cause issues'

fluid buffers murder gas flow

[feral jay]

Hrm I've got buffers set up right now as part of the unpackging setup at the destination, they seem to be working alright

[dense violet]

colour me dubious

[feral jay]

I'm not sure it'll stay that way yet though

[dense violet]

someone has in the past developed what looks like a way to successfully manage gas in buffers

but it was more of a thought experiment since it's just more compact and simpler to package gas for trains

and I don't think it was fully fully trialed

[feral jay]

I'm just cleaning up the detritus from a few methods that didn't work, I'll put up a screenshot

[viral oriole]

I have Rocket fuel flowing reasonably well using buffers. How does it murder flow?

I also run Nitrogen in to my base by train and store in fluid buffers and make the Nitric acid and ship it out to the power plant.

[feral jay]

@dense violet #screenshots message

So far, that's sustaining 600/min in three of those four output pipes

[proud cave]

Funky things seem to happen when attaching a splitter/merger onto an open ended conveyor lift floor hole

[dense violet]

buffers are just absolutely notorious for killing flow in gas systems. Is it impossible no, but it's much worse than in liquid

[proud cave]

Especially when attaching a lift to the top output of the now sideways splitter, turning the lift itself sideways

Is this possibly useful?

[dense violet]

this is not dissimilar to the set up that person developed. Though pumps would be a better choice than valves.
as in all possible situations where someone puts a valve down

[feral jay]

The big issue I've found so far is that a gas buffer's output is proportional to how full it is. It won't output at 600/min unless it's full

[dense violet]

yup. That's also the part that makes them functionally pointless

I can't see why you'd have buffers there

[feral jay]

So my super creative solution was to just use two buffers in parallel, so they only need to be half full

[spare prism]

Hiiiii gang

[dense violet]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-how-dare-you-dont-speak-to-me-how-dare-you-speak-to-me-gif-17332672

[feral jay]

Plus, every last segment of pipe needs to be full. The buffers can replace what's taken from them to keep them full, but then the buffers aren't full any longer, so they don't put out 600/min. Using two buffers alleviates that.

[dense violet]

but why have them in the first place xD

are they coming off trains?

that are just far away and out of image?

[spare prism]

Haha gif no work

[feral jay]

I didn't do the calculations, but I don't think there's enough gas in the unpackagers to keep this setup flowing at 100% while it waits for the next delivery

[dense violet]

the name implies what it is 🙂 plus you can click on it!

[feral jay]

Wait

[dense violet]

right ok it is a train system.
ok so yeah it's not dissimilar to the method that was developed by the person I've totally forgotten the name of

[feral jay]

I can get around that by buffering the packaged gas instead

Yeah it's packaged nitrogen delivered by train

[dense violet]

... I thought it was fulid gas delivered by train being packaged xD

yes, just buffer the pakcaged xD

[feral jay]

But on the other hand, if this works and is stable, I ain't fucking with it

[dense violet]

if you're curious this is kinda what was developed for the gas moving system

except each buffer would be fed from or to one of the platform ports

#math-and-meta message

it might have been Lady Hawk who initially develope dthe system?

[proud cave]

Are there any use cases for a horizontal conveyor lift?

[dense violet]

@kindred cradle was it you that developed the gas buffer system?

[feral jay]

Mine is basically the same, with valves instead of pumps, and buffers stacked vertically instead of horizontally

[dense violet]

if it's horizontal, it's just a belt right?

[dense violet]

yeah hence why I said it was very similar xD but again, use pumps, they don't have the hidden valve mechanics

[proud cave]

Idk, I found a way to make a horizontal lift and I'm trying to find a use for it

[dense violet]

I think there's some janky ways to do that.
other than looks all it does is still move items

[dense violet]

yes it was lady hawk who designed it #1303275536704864256 message

and

#1298454344986923039 message

Which ARE fairly different to what you've set up.

[feral jay]

Now to paint all those pipes to note them as carrying nitrogen

[spare prism]

what happened to person

messages all gone

[dense violet]

which person?

[spare prism]

idk there was messsages here one min ago now there gone

Bruh

Discord desktop is broken for me

[dense violet]

I don't see anythign missing? but I don't have the best memory.

maybe close from task manager and restart?

[dense violet]

that's super weird xD they are there for me

[spare prism]

Discord always buggin

[spare prism]

Ik that too bc they appeared on phone lol

[twin sinew]

am i gonna need very many versatile frames after the space elevator phase 2? cause im kinda working on a setup right now that would make 40/min of them

[dense violet]

you use them for the next parts but 40pm is over kill 🙂

[twin sinew]

shoot

[dense violet]

many people don't even fully automate space parts. They just dump basic parts in containers and let it make some while they do other business

[twin sinew]

gulp

[dense violet]

have you played sand box games before? like minecraft or something?

[twin sinew]

yeah

[sick falcon]

how far does head lift go horizontally

[twin sinew]

i was just wondering if this was like a core resource or something

[dense violet]

ok so, imo, treat the tiers and phases like a really good tutorial that teaches you everything

phase 5 is the ender dragon.
the game kinda just start after that

and becomes a real sandbox'

[feral jay]

headlift only works vertically

[dense violet]

nope, just space parts and phases 🙂

[twin sinew]

FRICK

massive ahh setup too

[real shale]

LIZARD

[twin sinew]

yessir

[dense violet]

xD well you can always over flow the parts that MAKE the frames into something else right?

[sick falcon]

so if i put a pump on a pipe, the liquid then travels 100 meters horizontally before going vertically, it will still go up?

[feral jay]

yes

[twin sinew]

well i could but whenever im gonna redo this i'll probably just tear most of it down

[dense violet]

you can use the Steel Beams and Frames for other things 🙂 like Heavy Modular Frames

[feral jay]

AFAIK even if you stretch a pipe across the entire map, headlift propagates all the way across it, I don't think there's any limit to that at all

[twin sinew]

thats a relief

ahhhhh i still gotta finish it though

[dense violet]

when your containers get full of flexible frames, overflow the mod frames and steel beams to this part 🙂 https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Heavy_Modular_Frame

[twin sinew]

enough to produce

if i really dont need versitile frames ill just reconfigure the assemblers to make those

[dense violet]

well those need manufacturuers 🙂

[twin sinew]

ahhhhhh

[dense violet]

just use smart splitters to overflow 🙂

[twin sinew]

i suppose

f me this requires so much reworking

[kindred cradle]

i think it was you who gave me some examples but i worked out the details of what was going on yeah

wasn't aware it'd become "a thing" these days, been lurking

well, afking, not lurking

😄

[feral jay]

Cobalt was cautioning me that buffering gas is doomed to failure but I seem to have a working setup, he metioned it may have been similar to yours

[kindred cradle]

gas buffering is entirely doable, if done right, yeah

[feral jay]

#screenshots message that seems to be working so far

[dense violet]

I think I mentioned it, we talked about it, and then you got curious xD and did a thing
and yeah haven't seen you in a bit 🙂

[dense violet]

and I did mention that a method had been developed. But it's a very specific way

[kindred cradle]

haven't played in a while, that screenshot has 2 big buffers on top of each other, right?

[feral jay]

Yes, becuase the output pipes are 600/min, and a gas buffer won't output 600/min unless it's full, so this allows them to be half full, and therefore a bit of fluctuation in the delivery mechanism

[kindred cradle]

#1308884422262657145 message

that's the link to the setup i use

the powered pump that drains the exit junction is what's allowing the gas buffer to output at 600/m

[feral jay]

Yeah my method relies on the same principle, multiple buffers in parallel

[kindred cradle]

gas tries to equalize the pipe next to the buffer it's sitting in, and the buffer itself, the powered pump is basically telling the gas "this bit is empty, DRAIN"

i use 2 small buffers only because the 1 buffer isn't long enough to sustain an unloading train

[dense violet]

yeah, gas wanting to equalise rather than fill the most empty section is what does the buffer murder

[kindred cradle]

and the big buffers are too big for the platforms iirc

[dense violet]

I just hope pipes explode and kill the pioneer if piped poorly in 1.2

[feral jay]

I'm seriously hoping everyone's VIP junctions break

[kindred cradle]

doubt it... i tried to get run over by a train, i was so disappointed 🙁

[last shadow]

i have never had any issues with fluids/pipes

[kindred cradle]

fluids/pipes are easy.... gas/pipes are, something else

[dense violet]

you probably keep your pipes simple.

and direct

[last shadow]

spaghetti

[feral jay]

What I really don't like about gas pipes is that there's absolutely no way to have any kind of priority flow system, not even a janky one that relies on unintended behaviour (i.e. VIP junctions)

[dense violet]

ok you haven't had to build fluids past coal power or you just don't notice the stuttering 😛

[dense violet]

I love that about pipes 😄

[kindred cradle]

VIP isn't unintended behaviour

[feral jay]

Well we can agree to disagree, I want priority pipe splitters

[kindred cradle]

pfffft

[feral jay]

Variable Input Junctions are, but not Variable Output Junctions

as far as I understand it anyway

[dense violet]

those are both Voodoo, I have no idea what you're smoking

[feral jay]

A VOP just relies on liquids filling from the bottom up

VIPs rely on junctions magically creating pressure where they weren't intended to

[kindred cradle]

a lot of people like building vertical with pipes and build VIPs and stuff by accident, then wonder why 1 pipe gets all the stuff and none goes in the other...

[dense violet]

look, I'll admit I really haven't looked at VOP layouts but I'm dubiuos

[kindred cradle]

or they'll build a "normal" setup and say "i dunno why everyone's got issues with this, my normal pipe works fine!" and then i visit them in their game and laugh my head off over the VIP junction they built 😄

VIP's the same as a VOP... it wants to go down before doing anything else

[dense violet]

the number of times I've entered someone's game where they said 'all my pipes work great' and I immediately find yellow stutters >.>

[feral jay]

Heh none of my machines ever go yellow in this playthrough, that's the challenge I gave myself.

[dense violet]

so the PAs effect backwards through time on pipes? I believe it

[feral jay]

(with a few minor exceptions)

It's quite educational actually pushing the game's systems like that

[dense violet]

post trouble shooting phases I assume

[bleak valley]

I had to stop building my modular frame factory so I could build a better supply line for reinforced plates and rotors lol

My current factory only makes just enough to make smart plates

[frosty yoke]

is satisfactory tools still accurate?

[kindred cradle]

i should probably dig up my saves off my old laptop and try to load that crazyass power plant save someone gave me once on this new laptop monster of mine

but i don't have a factory building itch

[feral jay]

Oh boy, we're bringing you back into the fold

[frosty yoke]

honestly not sure lol i havnt played in such a long time last time i played this game was in really early access and i was writing everything down in a notebook like a madman

thank you

[deft drum]

hisses in factoriolab

(we have built in sloop and overclocking)

(we also don't have raw resource limits built in)

i am alas

also has easy hotswapping of recipes

Satisfactory tools; here's all the recipies at once
Factoriolab; just click an icon next to it on the page and select from a dropdown menu

[reef basin]

because you don't select one recipe per item, you select recipes available

[dense violet]

just check teh recipes you like

I just swap recipes in and out to force the planner to do the math.

why would I let the machine pick for me? It's dumb and doesn't know exactly what I'm doing

[feral jay]

I do wish the SAM recipes were unchecked by default on tools, that gets annoying

[dense violet]

yeah a bit annoying, I just turn off sam

[deft drum]

cries in doing tier 9 stuff

[reef basin]

you can turn off converters 🙂

[feral jay]

oh damn, that would be easier

[crystal yoke]

does anyone know how to kill/destroy/remove/hate/unalive those green spore things?

[dense violet]

bombs

[feral jay]

The fart rocks? Blow them up

[dense violet]

or just.. use a gas mask it's what it's there for

[crystal yoke]

damg, they are in my base

[dense violet]

they cover less than 1% of the map >.>

[reef basin]

I mean... it's just there

[dense violet]

why would you build in poison? they cover less than 1% of the map xD

[crystal yoke]

good point

[feral jay]

I only realized recently that machines can be checked/unchecked

[crystal yoke]

swampersons

[dense violet]

they still cover very little of the swamp xD

Gas spiders now, they get gassy

[crystal yoke]

they cover me in pain

too

[feral jay]

Build where the gas isn't

The whole point of the gas is an area denial mechanic

[spare prism]

i did it

Ahhhhh

I lost power

[last shadow]

they should make different fluids have different viscosity so we can hate fluids even more

its a great idea we need it

[deft drum]

half the advantage of rocket fuel is it's a gas, so making a tower of it is easy

[last shadow]

make it so crude oil needs 17 pumps per 100 meters of travel even when its a straight line

[dense violet]

also all liquids should be flamable and explode.
including water

[deft drum]

but still, cease

[feral jay]

I want golf first

[deft drum]

if it means i can pump water into a fuel generator i'd take it

[dense violet]

the fuel generators will explode and kill the pioneer

[last shadow]

if we all agree to the viscosity idea they will add golf

[deft drum]

tbh i'd laugh if the devs gave up with current fluid mechanics and made fluids work like 2.0 Factorio

[last shadow]

coffeestain emailed me saying i gave them an idea for 1.2 just now

sorry

[dense violet]

honestly I'm expecting them to tune them so hard that pipes are realistically no different from belts. And that'll be pathetic

[feral jay]

I could get on board with differing viscosities, but right now, the game doesn't give me enough information on the fluid dynamics system. It would be real hell without more information to work with

[last shadow]

1.2 is gonna remove all fluids to fix the issue

we will go back to update 1 where we all were begging for pipes to be added

[feral jay]

I want things like priority pipe junctions, or failing that, fricken wye junctions

[dense violet]

pipes are fine if you bother knowing some very basic mechanics xD

[feral jay]

Not just tee junctions

[dense violet]

lovebug?

[feral jay]

Sure thing, kiddo

[dense violet]

possibly but that one went woosh xD sorry

[last shadow]

guys i just had a GREAT idea for 1.2

[dense violet]

But yeah, pipes are simple with basics. I cannot tell you how many people I've spent just a few minutes with and they've basically been 'oooooh ok' and then been fine

[last shadow]

delete the entire game and make it an image of a lake then completely abandon satisfactory

[dense violet]

pipes aren't a university degree in this game

they just aren't belts

[feral jay]

Pipes are easy when you know how they behave, it's more that the game doesn't make that obvious to the player

[dense violet]

and that is true, there some not obvious things about pipes
but I also don't think it's bad to have mechanics you have to look up out of game

[feral jay]

I'm all for keeping pipes exactly the way they are now, just giving the player more information to work with

[last shadow]

they should make it so you need 1700 pumps per meter of moving a liquid

[restive parcel]

they're belts if belts were evil

[dense violet]

they are nothing like belts 😛

[bleak valley]

If you treat a pipe the exact same as a belt you’ll have issues lol

[restive parcel]

belts if they worked with fractions of items? and are also evil to boot

[restive parcel]

i guess this explains a lot

[dense violet]

belts also work wit hfractions of items depending on the time scale

[feral jay]

I've got two in this save, both running at 100%, and recycling and merging the wastewater #notsohumbleflex

[sleek barn]

Hallo pioneers

[restive parcel]

YEAH that's exactly how I did the water

[restive parcel]

hallo da

[feral jay]

Well okay to be fair, they're closer to 99.995% or something like that, they do very occasionally hiccup just a wee bit

[sleek barn]

Anyone know how feasible it is to achieve a terrawatt nuclear facility on console without destroying frames?

[restive parcel]

sounds like it's gonna destroy frames ngl

[sleek barn]

It already dose when enabling fancy graphics and I’m only 9gigs 💀

Working on a 90gig regular fuel plant rn

[dense violet]

you probably don't want to do it in one spot
you probably want low graphics
you probably want to OC all the machines.

but prob doable

[dense violet]

also go nuclear, far fewer objects

[feral jay]

It could be, there's a few glitches with fluids I've noticed when loading a game in, expecially if I'm geographically proximate to the machines/pipes

[sleek barn]

What kind of problems are you having max im sorry im late to the conversation

[cunning glade]

Yeah but like idk how too really challenge myself earlier

[sleek barn]

💀😂 sounds about right I spent like 6 hours freaking out my mass constructor building was running poorly only to find out one single belt on the inlet mani was teir 1

Dang bps I had to fix like 30 machines 😂

[ornate frost]

I love seeing all my factories as I progress through the game. standing on a cliff and looking at all the random crap ive built everywhere

you could even say its satisfactory

[zenith pecan]

I knew my siting of facilities would come back to bite me, my rcu are on the complete opposite end of my dunes installation to where the conversion cubes are created 🤦‍♂️ , routing the feed belt is proving to be a total pain in the rear.

[sleek barn]

I work at a power plant and to decompression after work I clock into my shift and try to save all the kittens and puppies 😂💀

[zenith pecan]

Not entirely, I had a sushi belt behave weirdly earlier that resulted in a weird work around.

[sleek barn]

Nooo fr 😂💀 it happens to me a lot I get going so fast on ideas and just overlook the smallest things

[zenith pecan]

I generally don't build megafactories.

[cunning glade]

quick question if i have more ore going into one train car how would i make sure im using all of said ore well unloading cuz its the middle 2 are getting more than car 1 and 4

[zenith pecan]

My old save broke ue5 as well 🤦‍♂️

[cunning glade]

my brain isnt real rn but i wanna make sure i dont cause myself future trouble

[sleek barn]

Are you worried about not everything being unloaded from the car?

[zenith pecan]

My current save is pretty well behaved 🙂

[cunning glade]

basically

cuz im grabbing basiclly the exact amount i need

[sleek barn]

Do you have the outlets of the car station ran directly to manifolds and machines?

[cunning glade]

i have yet too do the output train stations im hooking up another like 3k limestone

and then will be but i wanna make sure i dont cause myself issues

[spare prism]

Someone wanna give me a big save I wanna make my pc BLEEED

[sleek barn]

Ohhhh I belive I understand I’ll shoot you a dm 🙂

Nah I work 7 on 7 off at the power plant then come how and clock into my shift for ficsit 💀

[spare prism]

So glad we get paid

[real shale]

I'm looking for that promotion to local production manager

Now that I have made a transformer blueprint, I want to make all sorts of electrical infrastructure blueprints, like earthing transformers or cooling banks

[cunning glade]

Me when I think I have most of the limestone but I need I think another 5k cuz there's only some 9k in the desert

[real shale]

Me when I.. uh, yeah do something Ig

No

[zenith pecan]

I'm winding down some, though doing an epic indirect route of rcu to the cube factory because I don't want belts going through others and the source is so far away from the target its unreal.

Omg the rcu are actually at the cube facility!, finally, what a complete pain in the arse that was.

Not the recipe, just the issue of routing a single mk1 belt through the inner workings of eight other buildings and along existing causeays where I could get away with it.

I'm actually producing 120 oscillators atm.

Turbo motors (next to the rcu factory) and pressure cubes (wrong side of the dunes)

[dense violet]

huh who where what? 😛 I work from home so I can just look at a monitor some times easily

[zenith pecan]

Just search my post history 😛

Crap, I demolished the particle acc ,... ffs, time to build replacements.

They can wait haha, I have so much fixing to do after digging through the bowels of half the factories to route this one belt.

[dense violet]

I joined late u3

u4 was only a couple months later iirc

well I played the GAME late u3, I didn't join the discord immediately

Probalby I upgraded my pc quite a bit earlier than normal just so I could run SF properly

[zenith pecan]

One quick albeit outdated now status update of my dunes rebuild #design-and-architecture message

All the offline facilities in the clip, I actually have running now 😄 , I just need to make good the holes in half the factories, clear output buffers to ensure it all runs smoothly then decorate.

[feral jay]

I'm redesigning a few load balancers to include input overflow protection

[zenith pecan]

After that, source a few thousand tons of copper for my particle accelerators, the goal is to re-online my teleports.

Wrong side of the planet.

Not seen zago in an age.

[sleek barn]

Because whyyyyy

[jagged nymph]

im gonna need to build a much bigger coal plant

[sleek barn]

Happens to the best of us 😂

[jagged nymph]

my max cons is like 500mw over my production

[sleek barn]

Whaaaa someone left you because of homophobia

[jagged nymph]

and im like 30 percent done with my factory for this phase

[sleek barn]

Where did you build your coal at?

[jagged nymph]

crater lake

theres still another coal node left though

[dense violet]

zago was great yeah.

[sleek barn]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-potat-sea-lion-seal-cute-gif-19087877

[jagged nymph]

i can 1.5x my power at crater lake before making more somewhere else

[dense violet]

Great fan art xD

[sleek barn]

Yes they are people can be very evil

[dense violet]

they deleted all their content on the discord server too. And reddit from what I can tell

[feral jay]

The number of women who've given up on multiplayer competitive gaming would blow your mind, I know quite a few. I don't know any LGBTQ gamers but I assume if it's that horrible just for women, it's even worse for LGBTQ folks.

The world can be an awful place for them

[zenith pecan]

I tried to convince my partner to try satis, not for her, she loves absolutely humiliating entire groups and in some cases whole corps in eve online.

[restive parcel]

real... my girl used to do overwatch but ppl treated her like utter crap and she stopped having fun

[zenith pecan]

I guess it depends on the girl and attitude, mine just loves to slaughter her opponents with extreme prejudice, and she's damned good at pvp.

[sleek barn]

My lover runs her own comp sever and the people on the internet are genuinely the most vile disgusting rude and disrespectful people I’ve seen and incredibly immature it genuinely is upsetting how those people act

[dense violet]

I would not at all be surprised xD

people are shit

[feral jay]

It's moreso with competitive games I find

I've played a fair bit of Oxygen Not Included and it's a pretty chill and accepting community

[sleek barn]

Yes it is

I gave up comp shooters and went to be a pioneer because I just wanna chill

[feral jay]

And if you really want, this game can also be a competitive shooter

Or a racing sim

A simple one, but you can

[proven snow]

oddly enough just talked to someone else about it, but these are some things I wanna do #design-and-architecture message

[restive parcel]

Oh! I was playing with somebody the other day and he visited my factory, then we had a shootout :D this is so true

[vale perch]

kinda hard to hit people tho, i kinda suck at it

[feral jay]

That's what guided bullets and nuke nobs are for

And how many other shooters can you just... delete the floor under someone?

[vale perch]

that's a good point

[vale perch]

scorched earth with the nukes lol

[feral jay]

haha that game you could delete the floor under people too, Worms Armegeddon too actually now that I think of it

[vale perch]

worms armegeddn?

[feral jay]

store.steampowered.com/app/217200/Worms_Armageddon/

[vale perch]

oo it's on sale

[feral jay]

Totally worth that price for sure

[jagged nymph]

Fortnite

[feral jay]

#screenshots message never seen a bean do that before

[zealous nebula]

Wow this is a big server

Didnt expect

[feral jay]

Welcome

[zealous nebula]

I dont like the game btw

I like catching doggos

I have like 5

[feral jay]

That's okay, nobody's perfect.

[jagged nymph]

You will be punished for your crimes

[zealous nebula]

My brother got onto the top of the first platform of the space elevator

[jagged nymph]

I got to the very top of it

[zealous nebula]

Hhe hitbox is weird

[jagged nymph]

#screenshots message

[feral jay]

People have built factories up there

[zealous nebula]

Okey

[zealous nebula]

What the...

Whats was that weird solar system

Are all areas connected

In one map

[feral jay]

Yep, one big map

[zealous nebula]

Oh no

Thats weird

[feral jay]

Just different starting areas

[zealous nebula]

I like the forest one

[jagged nymph]

Iwanwira

[final jungle]

why do spiders go afk when i box them in and teleport from the box the second i leave

also using the emote twirl it twice bugs and bugs happen

[restive parcel]

yeaaa twirl it is glitched

i used to spam it but now that doesnt seem to work

[final jungle]

yeah how do i jail theese spiders

they keep teleporting from it

[restive parcel]

i dont think u can 😭

they respawn when u go too far away

[radiant glade]

https://tenor.com/view/gordão-bomba-nuclear-gif-8824531786301161188

[final jungle]

oh i just make a big jail with rooms

[radiant glade]

not working, sad

[minor cedar]

can mycelia be farmed?

[jagged nymph]

yes, press e on the mushrooms or cut down cacti

[minor cedar]

no like infinetly how we use miners for like ore can we use something to grow it or is it just find and grab

[jagged nymph]

then no

that would mean automatable biomass which defeats the entire point of biomass

[minor cedar]

ah kk cuz its kind of hard to find this

[jagged nymph]

what do you need it for

[minor cedar]

true

[minor cedar]

i need fabric to make a parachute

[restive parcel]

I KNOW RIGHT

[jagged nymph]

you can make fabric out of polymer resin

[final jungle]

theres parachutes?

[jagged nymph]

just go to the rocky desert, the cacti there give mycelia

[minor cedar]

bro idk what that is bro 😭 i m the newest player to this game

[jagged nymph]

yeah they let you glide down slowly

[jagged nymph]

its in phase 3

[final jungle]

ben stuck in phase 3 since early acc

[minor cedar]

im in phase 0 rn lol

[restive parcel]

mine the rocks cro... u will get there 🙏

[final jungle]

just keep doing stuff build a hub

its useful

[jagged nymph]

i... would imagine he has a hub

considering he has the mam which requires the hub to unlock

[final jungle]

yall never made a rocket leage arena?

[jagged nymph]

a what

i rocket fuel plant?

[final jungle]

i mean the game where u play football with cars

[minor cedar]

i think u have the wrong game ts is factory and shit

[feral jay]

It's a large, complex game, the lower tiers are designed to introduce you to stuff slowly. Don't try to go too big when you start, just take your time and try new things.

[jagged nymph]

what 😭

[minor cedar]

hes talking about rocket league

[jagged nymph]

yeah idk what that is

[final jungle]

i made a arena of that game in satisfactory i mean

with cars n all

[jagged nymph]

eckporler

[minor cedar]

yeah i have a co op world with a friend where we managed to get to phase 1 but phase 2 requirements are just so high lol

[final jungle]

make enough screws

[feral jay]

And then learn how to make no screws lol

[jagged nymph]

theonly time screws are annoying is when youre stuck on mk1/2 belts

once you get mk3 they arent even bad anymore

[feral jay]

That's not my point, my point is that learning how to avoid them is useful just as a learning exercise

[final jungle]

yall ever just autocraft in hub to get elevator lvl up at the start

[jagged nymph]

how

[jagged nymph]

no thats a really bad habit

[sick falcon]

how complicated is a 2:5 balancer

[jagged nymph]

that must be why youve been stuck on phase 3

[jagged nymph]

depends, can you fit the 2 inputs on one belt?

[sick falcon]

nope

[feral jay]

I rush things all the time, mostly to reach milestones and unlock things. But it's not sustainable long term

[jagged nymph]

then fairly complicated

[feral jay]

You aren't crafting fifteen million screws by hand lol

[final jungle]

i just restart everytime i dont like my factory

[jagged nymph]

wtf why thats why youre stuck

[sick falcon]

actually is it even possible to balance 2:5 when the 2 are coming off a train buffer

[feral jay]

It's a huge map, you can always just go elsewhere and build something else

[jagged nymph]

yeah

i highly doubt youll use up all the nodes

[minor cedar]

yeah about that does it really matter tho the constructor produces only 40 per min while the belts is delievering it to them at 120 per min when they are mk2

[jagged nymph]

yeah but when you need to make 900 screws/minute you need 8 belts

but with mk3 its only 4 belts, and mk4 is only 2

[minor cedar]

do blade runners make u jump higher? i saw someone say they are good

[jagged nymph]

theyre game changing

jump higher, move much faster

[radiant glade]

less fall damage

[jagged nymph]

i didnt know that actually

[minor cedar]

ok so thats my next goal then

get the blade runners researched

then make em

[ornate frost]

just got done building my first proper fuel generator plant

[jagged nymph]

siliica

[jagged nymph]

how many gw

[minor cedar]

idk how to get that tryna figure that out

[jagged nymph]

craft it in a constructor

[minor cedar]

from what?

[radiant glade]

you need quartz for silica

[jagged nymph]

quartz

[feral jay]

!wikisearch silica

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=silica

[minor cedar]

ahh so those pure quartz nodes are gonna be useful then

[sick falcon]

genuinely never noticed that feature of them

[ornate frost]

I meant more as in "actually in a building" im not at GW quite yet 🥲

[jagged nymph]

😭

im making ~4gw of coal and its no where near enough

[radiant glade]

well, dead pioneer is bad for productivity 🤣

[jagged nymph]

if all my machines power on at once im so cooked

[feral jay]

I solved that by having all machines on all the time

I use a fuckton of power lol

[jagged nymph]

yeah im not doing that in this save

i would have billions of awesome sinks

im doing a megafactory

so far i automated: steel products and concrete in the megafactory, and i have 25 hours 😭

and the basic iron/copper products in a starter location for building

but i did also automate all the concrete and steel procuts ill ever need in the entire save

[feral jay]

I have 62 currently

[jagged nymph]

not 12345678987654321 23456789876543212345678987654321234567898765432123456789876543212345678987654321?

cuase youd need a loopback on a load balancer for all of that manay

[feral jay]

And apparently 3 packagers and a constructor on my sink circuit

[jagged nymph]

hwhy

[feral jay]

Oh yeah packaging and sinking fluid overflows

I classify those as part of the sinking logic

[jagged nymph]

i think kibitz had a nuclear meltdown he hasnt posted in 10 days

[cerulean garnet]

guys where can I find sulfur and coal together near oil to make a turbofuel plant? any ideas

[dense violet]

centre of map. There's one spot in the swamp there that's fairly close

[dense violet]

honestly just go Oil > HOR > diluted fuel

great if you just want power, just needs oil and water

[weak bloom]

How do people usually fuel drones? Is it reasonable to have one set of drones ferry fuel to other drone stations from where you're making the fuel?

[dense violet]

it's often convenient to have drones share destination to have fewer refueling drones

but you could just have a ton of A to B drones each with their refueler

[weak bloom]

Ah so like, if I need to bring 3 parts to A from B C and D, just send a fuel drone from X to A

[dense violet]

yup

[cerulean garnet]

Ohk i hate swamp so many spiders

[dense violet]

and the refueling drone will stay landed until it can deliver all it's fuel
so it'll largely stay put once the fuel buffer is full

[dense violet]

not east swamp, centre swamp. Its a little swamp

[cerulean garnet]

i want power but I also need turbofuel for jetpack

[dense violet]

maybe more of a marsh

[dense violet]

eh if you want, it's not dissimilar to regular fuel for it

[cerulean garnet]

Ohk haven't explored it yet

[cerulean garnet]

i see I will try something

[weak bloom]

Wait so a drone will wait at the destination until it unloads the entire amount of cargo it has? It's not like trains where they just unload as much as they can?

[dense violet]

if you think it's fun? yeah go for it

but fuel will also just do the job and be simpler

[weak bloom]

Guess that makes sense because it saves on fuel, but I guess it cuts throughput

[dense violet]

doesn't need more throughput if the destination is full right?

if more items pm were being chewed than it could deliver it would never stop

[feral jay]

Awesome I'm back up to 100% effeciency #screenshots message

There's a single constructor or two that's not quite 100% I need to find

[cerulean garnet]

i didn't understand that a bit , cuz I'm a beginner probably

[weak bloom]

Well in the sense that the analogous downtime of the belts being disabled during cargo transfer is actually the entire round trip time.
Like you need to make sure you are not consuming 9 (?) stacks of the item in the full RTT of the drone

[dense violet]

so whatever drones you're using will not being using all the fuel you give them, because you won't know exactly how much they need pm, so you over feed the fuel buffers until full right?

so once the fuel buffers are full, the drone can't drop more fuel at the port

if it can't drop it's payload it'll stay there until it can

[cerulean garnet]

what power plant setup is it?

[feral jay]

A mix of coal, fuel, and turbofuel

[cerulean garnet]

i don't have drones unlocked

[weak bloom]

I doubt that'll be an issue unless you're trying to transfer ore via drones though

[dense violet]

kidna I guess? except this down time only happens when you're providing more throughput than needed

[dense violet]

eventually 🙂

[cerulean garnet]

would you like to share pics of the plants

[cerulean garnet]

yes I will save this just in case

[dense violet]

drones are VERY simple.
basically slow teleporters

[cerulean garnet]

Ohk

so will it help me teleport ?

[dense violet]

no, just items 😛

[cerulean garnet]

that's sad

[jagged nymph]

No, use portals for that

[feral jay]

I had a back and forth in #design-and-architecture message a little while back bouncing problems off folks, if you search my name for recent messages there you should find a few

Check #math-and-meta too

But really sharing screenshots of power plant setups doesn't really do them justice, you get them running at 100% with the small details that don't really pop out in screenshots

Getting my torbufuel farm to 100% effeciency was a doozy

The game really doesn't tell you where the problem is coming from when you've got flowrate issues, so you end up figuring it out by trial and error

[cerulean garnet]

haven't unlocked that either

[feral jay]

By the time you unlock portals, you've finished the game

[jagged nymph]

Yeah portals come in too late

[feral jay]

I hate it when games do that, give this super cool thing that you work towards for the whole game, and then you barely get to use it

[cerulean garnet]

i feel it's kinda like chess you have to be spontaneous and think ahead

[cerulean garnet]

hopefully more content gets added and we get more phases

[jagged nymph]

Thats incredibly unlikely

The more phases part

[cerulean garnet]

oh why?

[feral jay]

Because the game is essentially feature complete

[cerulean garnet]

Ohk

[feral jay]

I'd rather post-endgame challenges

[cerulean garnet]

but it feels really small I mean the map is good and big but there isn't enough things to do with it

like I made to phase 2 very easily like it was nothing except time and not much exploring

[jagged nymph]

I mean many people have over 1000 hours and still havnt finished the game

[feral jay]

Lightning storms or something like that would be cool, some way to introduce chaos if you wanted to

[jagged nymph]

Then explore more

[jagged nymph]

Aren't they adding weather in 1.2?

[dense violet]

I mean there's lots of things you can do post tutorial already

[feral jay]

They're adding rain, yes, but that's all that's been confirmed

[jagged nymph]

I see

[feral jay]

It might be cosmetic only

Probably is actually

[cerulean garnet]

yea how to deal with radiation ?

[jagged nymph]

Hazmat suit

[feral jay]

WIth a radiation suit

[cerulean garnet]

where does it gets unlocked

[jagged nymph]

The hub

[feral jay]

!wikisearch hazmat_suit

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hazmat_suit

[jagged nymph]

!wikisearch hazmat suit

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hazmat+suit

[jagged nymph]

You dont need the underscore

[cerulean garnet]

tier 7 aaaaaa

[feral jay]

Or apostrophes, apparently 😏

[cerulean garnet]

yea ig

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message I BUILT IT OFF BY 1 FOUNDATION 😭

[jagged nymph]

Lol

Just incase it in cube

[snow rune]

I play on PC and I'm content with playing single player. but I really want to try multiplayer and I don't have any friends who plays the game. does anyone know a way to like random servers?

[void cliff]

#1201555265942724758

[crystal cedar]

The amount off ppl who ask this im the wrong channel is comcerning

[jagged nymph]

They just refuse to read channel names

[hybrid ridge]

hello satisfactorers or whatever
is it possible to extract more than 12,000m³/min of nitrogen gas from a map?
i need lots of it for a project
afaik theres no pure recipes for that

[jagged nymph]

No

Whadyou need so much for

[dense violet]

you could use conversion recipes to turn other ingredients to gas?

[lusty granite]

!wikisearch quantum encoder

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=quantum+encoder

[hybrid ridge]

30 warp drives :)

[jagged nymph]

Oh I didnt know bauxite or caterium can make nitrogen

[jagged nymph]

Wtf

Thats alot

Imma be making 2

[hybrid ridge]

i know
but that's the point

[crystal cedar]

. I

[hybrid ridge]

?

[jagged nymph]

Ů

Happy cyclops emoji

Ö very surprised person emoji

[bleak valley]

:þ

Better :p

[exotic fractal]

I love making things so much harder on myself

the lion does not concern himself with optimal building locations

just make 14 diverent conveyors to grab items from different places a thousand meters away

[last shadow]

proceeds to make a nuclear power plant in the middle of the ocean 17 miles away from uranium

[exotic fractal]

EXACTLY

i'm building a multi farm for computers, heavy modular frames, turbofuel, etc etc so i've just been pumping so many different materials over to the closest oil node lmao

Might add aluminum items to it aswell

[last shadow]

how does caterium wire recipe even work thats just quickwire

[normal orbit]

no

[last mason]

is there a text guide for train signals?

[last shadow]

fym no yes it is

[normal orbit]

Quickwire makes Quickwire, Caterium Wire makes Wire

[last shadow]

you cant make 2 completely different wire types by just doing the exact same thing with the same material

[normal orbit]

I can also mix Caterium and Copper to make both Fused Quickwire and Fused Wire

welcome to gameplay

i can also make wire out of Iron

[last shadow]

well there isnt a different recipe making a different wire with iron

i swear to god if theres "iron quickwire" or some shit

[sleek barn]

Yes alt iron wire I believe

[last shadow]

i know about iron wire

[normal orbit]

i can also make a constructor out of some iron plates and cables. Realism or anything like it are kinda out the window. And technically, you could use something higher grade to do a lower grade items task. Its just gameplay reason to give more options to player, if you're looking at it like unrealistic. OH BOY THERES A LOT YOU COULD GET INTO

like why get hung up on wire materials when there so much other things you could get hung up on. It'll just make you miserable. Enjoy the game

[last mason]

I have a t -intersection and have path signals on the entracne and block signals on the exit but the whole intersection is red...

[normal orbit]

are the path signals red?

[last mason]

They have warning triangles on them

And the intersection is red but not the paths at the exit of the block signals

[normal orbit]

prob the track turn bug. move the signals away from the intersection by 1,5 foundations

[last mason]

Ty

[fathom tusk]

anyone who understands piping in this game pretty well available to join a call while i screenshare and try to help me fix my power plant lmao

[hybrid ridge]

do you use pumps

[normal orbit]

prob have better luck posting in #1038092680493801533 and provide pics

[fathom tusk]

i have one pump at the extractor, otherwise its a flat system

[hybrid ridge]

not much head lift?

[normal orbit]

the extractor provides some push, placing the pump before the consumers would make more sense

[hybrid ridge]

everything provides a base of 10m lift

[fathom tusk]

whole system is like <10m height anywhere

[normal orbit]

if its all flat its not headlift issue, pumps provide ease of flow especially thru manifolds

[hybrid ridge]

try powering the plant and watching the water tank (in ui)
u could just have not enough water

[fathom tusk]

from googling my guess is sloshing but idk for sure

[normal orbit]

if you're using a buffer thats your issue

[fathom tusk]

theres no buffer

ill try #1038092680493801533 with pics

[hybrid ridge]

also is it normal for nuclear to fluctuate when i join
like it goes from ~290-295 gw to a stable 300gw after 5 minutes of being online

[hybrid nymph]

What's wrong with a buffer? I always use buffers with my pipes

Because I like to be able to store the excess that goes through the pipe

So that if there's a surge that a pipe needs more fuel that I'm producing then I have extra

[normal orbit]

they become slosh points where flow pretty much stop

and they dont serve any purpose

[upbeat jacinth]

I almost believe they are purely kept in for aesthetics

Or maybe dump liquid biofuel into them if that’s your thing

[normal orbit]

i use em for decoration :p just drag the pipe thru them and not actually connect em

[jagged nymph]

Just make it out of beams

[gloomy tusk]

guys

why is there a cpu in a gpu?

[jagged nymph]

Huh

There isnt

[gloomy tusk]

#off-topic-media

[jagged nymph]

That chip is the gpu

Its not a cpu

A graphics card contains a gpu (the chip shown there) and vram, and cooling.

[gloomy tusk]

oh

[crystal cedar]

I mean a memory controller can technically be called a processing unit

[jagged nymph]

But its not the central processing unit

[crystal cedar]

It is central for the memorytho

[jagged nymph]

Yeah but thats not what cpu generally means

[crystal cedar]

Ig so

[jagged nymph]

Cpu refers to what you know as the cpu

I designed a 16 bit cpu once and built it in a logic sim

[crystal cedar]

Bah. Whatever

[crystal cedar]

.. dam

[jagged nymph]

Made an assembly language for it too

[crystal cedar]

Who are u?

[jagged nymph]

And I make a program where you can enter a number and it calculates the nth fibbonaci number where n is that number

[jagged nymph]

Oh you should check out the Turing Complete (logic sim) discord server hehe

Thats child's play compared to what some people do

[crystal cedar]

That sounds simple tho it prly isnt

[crystal cedar]

.

[jagged nymph]

Someone made a computer that can run doom (in color too) in that same logic sim

From raw logic gates

[crystal cedar]

IF IT HAS ON OFF IT SHUD HAVE DOOM

[jagged nymph]

True...

My computer could run doom actually, a very simple terminal version of it

But im too stupid to program that

[crystal cedar]

Im too stupid to understand that let alone program

[jagged nymph]

The hard part is debugging why grabbing keyboard input draws a pixel to the display with the color info from the 512th byte of the ssd

Actual issue i had because of one misplaced wire

I havnt touched that logic sim in a while, I know there was a complete overhaul in very early alpha last I used it

[crystal cedar]

This sounds so much. Like redstone computing

[jagged nymph]

I tried to make a redstone computer, but its just so much wiring stuff up and its very slow. The most complicated thing i made was redstone connect 4 and tic tac toe

And an 8 bit adder but thats not very impressive

[crystal cedar]

The most complicated I have done. Is a 2x2 door

So very impressive.

[gloomy tusk]

guys just one question about pcs

do they lose charge like laptops do (in terms of cycles)

[jagged nymph]

No, they plug into the wall

They dont have a battery

(Well the cmos battery but that doesnt count)

[gloomy tusk]

no

i know that much

but like does it degrade over time

[crystal cedar]

Yes depending on oc

Yes in general but u would upgrade before u norice

[jagged nymph]

I mean literally everything degrades overtimd

[gloomy tusk]

how long will it take for my 750 watt system to stop supporting my 500 watt build?

[jagged nymph]

But neither a laptop nor a pc will stop working because of wear before you get a new one

[jagged nymph]

Huh?

[gloomy tusk]

i beg to differ

[jagged nymph]

Unless its built incredibly shittily

[crystal cedar]

I think he means psu

[dense violet]

Your power supply is not a battery, thats not how that works

[crystal cedar]

Like one of those chinese ones rated for 500 but does 300 and kills itself under load

[jagged nymph]

It might become irrelevant because it can't run newer games that require modern hardware, but it shouldn't degrade like that

[crystal cedar]

Ur hardware won't degrade. U can reinstall an older version of ur os and it'll run as fast as it was designed to

[jagged nymph]

Thats what im saying

It will only feel slower because youre trying to run modern stuff on an old machine

But its the exact same if you run the old software

[gloomy tusk]

my parents have a 2006 macbook

it wont run without charging

[jagged nymph]

? Ok

[crystal cedar]

No it'll feel slower becuz. Thermal paste. Would've become. Thermal powder.

[jagged nymph]

Yeah batteries are the one part that does wear out quickly

But thats replaceable

[crystal cedar]

Pregnancy

[jagged nymph]

That too... easily fixable tho

[crystal cedar]

Sm ppl don't know

And js throw their old tech away

[gloomy tusk]

so it wont be worse?

[jagged nymph]

Youtube

[jagged nymph]

Well I still have no idea what you mean

Do you mean you have a 750w psu and the sum of the power rating of all your parts is 500?

[gloomy tusk]

yes

[jagged nymph]

Then that will work fine for as long as you need it to

[crystal cedar]

He means what if the power rating of a 750psu degrades to 400.

Which wont won't happen.

[jagged nymph]

??

[gloomy tusk]

like a computer after heavy use cant reach 100% anymore

[jagged nymph]

Wdym by 100%

Dude if I have a computer from 20 years ago, assuming im running the same os and software as it ran 20 years ago, it should run just fine as long as theres good thermal paste and nothing is damaged

[gloomy tusk]

like the screenshot i sent will a psu slow down over use

[normal orbit]

thats not really true. computer performance degrades due to outside factors like filters clogged with dust restricting airflow to cool. water evaporating from AIOs reducing their cooling performance which has the side effect of the cpu running hotter and then clocking itself down to prevent damage. The actual components do not degrade (aside intel 13th and 14th gen which burn themselves from within).

[jagged nymph]

@gloomy tusk thats the battery. It can only hold 84% of what it could brand new

[gloomy tusk]

do psus not have a battery?

[jagged nymph]

No😭

[normal orbit]

no

[gloomy tusk]

oh

[normal orbit]

power supplies take the wall 220V and transform it down to 12V, 5V, 3.3V etc which the computer can use

[gloomy tusk]

well sorry i just wasted your time

[jagged nymph]

Um akkshually some places use 120v

[sleek barn]

We are putting out 700mw on three 161kv lines keeping the lights on

Turbines go burrrrrr

[jagged nymph]

@gloomy tusk theres no ram in that picture

[gloomy tusk]

at the bottom

[jagged nymph]

Oh

Well it doesnt count if you just type in your own number

[gloomy tusk]

it was a joke at the current ram situation 💔

[jagged nymph]

Ik

But you could've just found an actual ram kit for like 35k

Lemme find one rq

[gloomy tusk]

quite a short link

[jagged nymph]

Thats Amazon links for ya

[leaden turret]

#off-topic-tech

[gloomy tusk]

#yousmell

nooooo

where did the linkie go

[hybrid ridge]

clean your links

good that its deleted

[gloomy tusk]

a new person

are you liking this wonderful game so far?

[crystal cedar]

Well if u don't push 2v through ur ram then ur right

[normal orbit]

well yes, operation outside normal parameters will degrade anything since its not made for that.

[crystal cedar]

Isn't overclcking allowed tho

Atleast to some extent

[normal orbit]

to a point

[crystal cedar]

Pushing a 5200 to 5600 will technically degrade the ram faster

[normal orbit]

anything engineered will typically have somethin called an n value. which is a factor of tolerance. it changes based on use and what its intended for. like i could see a cpu having an n value of 1.1-1.2 to have some tolerance for parameters like voltage being slightly out of spec. its not ever gonna allow 2x the voltage. Elevators typically have an n value of 10, meaning a lift rated for 600kg could prob handle 6000kg. which is a saftey thing since they move people. You wouldnt make a lift with an n value of only like 2.

[cunning glade]

Ocing is peak and so much fun

[crystal cedar]

Yes.

[cunning glade]

My 3600 kit is at 4000mhz rn

Need too do timings tho as they're kinda mid

Fuck ram ocing

That's not as fun

So much testing

[crystal cedar]

Takes time yes.

[normal orbit]

with ram prices as they are atm, i prob wouldnt do anything which could damage them. But thats just me i spose.

[cunning glade]

I think I have my imc voltage high

But that's CPU so

[crystal cedar]

I just slapped on a 5600 cl38(not that great ik playing it safe)using memory try it(yes I'm too lazy)

[cunning glade]

Iirc

[crystal cedar]

On a 5200 cl40

[cunning glade]

I can't wait for ddr5

[crystal cedar]

Lucky. U have an unlocked cpu

[cunning glade]

Soon

[crystal cedar]

I'm gonna advise u not to buy any yet

[cunning glade]

12700k at 5ghz and then 4 for ecores

[crystal cedar]

12400f. Can't do anything...

[cunning glade]

#off-topic-tech message this is what I'm planning for

Just starting too save for the whole upgrade

[crystal cedar]

Millionare.

[cunning glade]

Nuh uh I'm still at my first job

I just make pizza

[crystal cedar]

I hv the lowest spec ddr5 32 possible

[cunning glade]

Oof

[crystal cedar]

Save save and buy ze ram

[real shale]

RAM?

[cunning glade]

Almost got that so glad I didn't 12700k be too weak sometimes

[real shale]

He's got RAM, GET HIM

[crystal cedar]

Would u look at that.

It's been 4 seconds on ram.

And we r being chased

[cunning glade]

I gotta go hook up the last 5k limestone I need

But I don't wanna get up

[real shale]

I need 64 GB of ram for no particular reason

[cunning glade]

Haven't decided yet

[crystal cedar]

Why u can save and go 32

[real shale]

I have 32 already

[cunning glade]

On one hand I want 48gb it should oc better on the other hand star citizen tends too like 64gb better

[crystal cedar]

Its more than enough for me atleast(only gaming)

[real shale]

I want more I thirst for more

Trust me, after dealing with quadratic programming to a scale that's made my computer choke, I lust for more power

[crystal cedar]

More slower better than less faster imo

[crystal cedar]

I seriously shudnt be on this server

[cunning glade]

See but it's like not that big of a difference

[real shale]

Why not

Everyone has a place in this server

[crystal cedar]

So go for the slower one

And larger

Move this convo to #off-topic-tech ?

[cunning glade]

See I could technically be fine with 48gb it's just that like 64 1% wise preforms better but also stuff has changed in star citizen so idk

[fossil oyster]

Fuck me. While reworking some stuff I accidentally deleted a powerline that fed a pure sulfur node. Suddenly 1200 sulfur missing. No more uranium waste processing. I now have containers full of waste.

But far worse, my sushi tractor that delivered waste to the truck station, could no longer deliver the waste to the truck station (full), so it continued to the uranium rod pick up station. It then went to drop off the uranium fuel rods at the uranium fuel rod bus station. But it also dropped off all the waste.

I now need to manually remove waste from 128 reactors.

Fuck.

[sterile blade]

The downside of creating many dependencies between factories/systems is that one can create very "dangerous" situations that may be hard to predict and take precautions against without careful planning (or prior experience)...
Sushi naturally tends to create many dependencies ^^

[fossil oyster]

It works until it doesn't. In hindsight I should have put a smart/programmable splitter at the output of the uranium truck station that only uranium fuel rods can pass through.

[sterile blade]

That would do the trick

Or, at the very least, it would avoid having to manually unclog belts

[fossil oyster]

My factory is so gigantic man I can't simply turn a factory off. Everything is connected

[scenic mirage]

switches 🔥

[sterile blade]

Some sinks with overflow splitters placed around the factory can help keeping production lines more independent from one another, if your layout allows it

[fossil oyster]

I have tons of switches. But every factory is connected. I'm running a 60/min BWD, 120/min AI, 60/min Biochemical.
If I turn off my AI factory (the biggest power consumer) my BWD factory runs out of singularity cells. Without singularity cells I don't have plutonium waste processing. Without active plutonium waste processing my ionized fuel factory halts because it can't get rid of dark matter residue. Without ionized fuel my drones don't work. Without drones.....yeah you get the point

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

make whats needed, where its needed

maybe a bit too late game to change now but maybe a new save is calling your name 👀

[sterile blade]

Yep, that's a delicate system
Eg: having production lines dedicated to power generation, waste handling and vehicle-fuel-making (independant from other productions) would make everything much less delicate

[fossil oyster]

Maybe in 1.2. This independency stuff sounds good in theory, but post-late game hits different. It sure works in early to late game, but once you get to the really complicated stuff, it kinda falls apart.

[scenic mirage]

nah its doable, i had a factory dedicated specifically to nuclear

[fossil oyster]

Fun is the most important thing

[scenic mirage]

43.65 uranium fuel rods/min

[fossil oyster]

Cute.

[scenic mirage]

i could have done more, but tbh i was just trying to speed through the save to start again

[fossil oyster]

My uranium fuel rods and uranium waste processing is independent. Ficsonium however, isn't.

[crystal cedar]

Dang these ppl are high effort.

[sterile blade]

You can do it at any scale. Example: even the most complex production line can be completed into one self-contained factory, so long as the inputs are low enough (eg: planning for 1 BWD machine, with all dependencies included); then scaling up is just a matter of making more of those self-contained buildings

[reef basin]

it works on any scale

[fossil oyster]

Yes, you can do it at any scale. Now go make 60/min BWD using the independency factory method.

You will just end up with one gigantic factory in one location

[reef basin]

independency doesn't mean "everything in one location"

it means "production lines do not depend on other production lines"

[fossil oyster]

Okay, so you are just sinking your turbo motors?

[reef basin]

wdym?

[sterile blade]

With my prior example, you'd end up with many factories each with 1 BWD-making machine (and all that's needed to run it). If the production lines are blueprinted well ekough, the worse part of the building and planning would probably just be the ores/fluid handling to feed all those buildings (as the focus is on output, it's unlikely that the inputs would be "clean" numbers)

[normal orbit]

i think you're not understanding independancy, it doesn't mean items are only made in one location and never moved. you can make turbo motors in place A, singularity cells in location B, Oscillators in location C and then bring it all into locaiton D to make the warp drives.

choo choo

[reef basin]

exactly, point is that you don't share the turbo motors with other factories, so you don't distribute it from TM factory to several places

[fossil oyster]

So your warp drives are dependent on factories in location A, B and C?

[normal orbit]

yes

[reef basin]

it's all considered one factory/production line. It doesn't export to other factories/production lines

[normal orbit]

actually i do share em to multiple other places as needed :p

5/min in drone port 1, 2/min in drone port 2, 10/min in train A, etc

[reef basin]

well, as always, you don't have to do everything in one way

but yeah, if you planned for it in advance and have separate outputs, it's also fine

[lusty granite]

hey can anyone help me make a train?

[fossil oyster]

Everything is fine

[lusty granite]

it keeps destroying

[reef basin]

for sure, but we're talking about independency now, right?

[normal orbit]

colliding? you need to use signals

[fossil oyster]

Everything is planned in advance and I know exactly what I need to make and where it needs to go

[reef basin]

good for you 🙂

[crystal cedar]

The dedication of sm ppl. Who actually plan in prior is beyond me

[sterile blade]

Some shenanigans can't be done without a modicum of planning #satisfactory-memes message

[scenic mirage]

is there a difference in how the water flows? or is it only if the junction is at an angle?

[normal orbit]

difference to what?

[scenic mirage]

like when the junction is at an angle it can cause issues with flow

[dense violet]

it's mostly when the feed pipe is lower than the input point on the machine

but also any junction, even flat, will have back flow
at higher flows it's more of an issue

[sterile blade]

The angle of the junction can make a difference in priority between outputs, but I don't think it can affect flow itself...

[normal orbit]

angled junctions having issues is probably more due to placing them directly on the pipes and not rebuilding the pipes after. not cuz the junctions themselves are angled.

[scenic mirage]

neko?

oo i se

[normal orbit]

Neko is also short for Nekomimi, which basically means Catgirl

[past dune]

@normal orbit thx for suggesting the Rocket Fuel route... will be really worth it, should make 1.7 Terawatts just with Rocket Fuel and Turbo Fuel with whats left of Coal, Sulfur and Nitrogen

Started working on a Huge tower that will have 909 Fuel Generators

#screenshots message

[versed mesa]

Is 900 Gens not to much lol

[normal orbit]

na, my fuelplant has 840 :p

[versed mesa]

Thats crazy

[normal orbit]

#design-and-architecture message the fuel ring

[past dune]

technically I need 1001, but already have some built that are using regular fuel, that will switch to rocket fuel

[versed mesa]

Thats a part in not got to thinking on having that much yet since I stopped playing months ago just for a mind recovery

[versed mesa]

Mind blown so are you making them into high rise build

[normal orbit]

i should take some new screenshots with the new monitor resolution :p

[versed mesa]

Nit sure who that us but sounds funny lmao

@normal orbit I hope it all works out for you I believe your going run into issue id suggest getting first layer running first to keep track

[normal orbit]

with all the fuel, plubber, copper, wet concrete, steam sheets, caterium. i'm well over 1000 refineries :p

[versed mesa]

Cool

[past dune]

I have 640 regular Fuel Generators already placed throughout my map, will switch 192 of them to rocket fuel
then will have a 9 level Fuel Gen Tower with 909 gens inside for both Rocket and Turbo Fuel

[crystal cedar]

840P SO CLEAR

:O

[past dune]

So 1549 Fuel Generators total I will have... all Pure Vanilla

[versed mesa]

What you going to make green slime flubber 😂

[past dune]

Right now im Rocking 7.1 Terawatts

will reach when finished 8.9 Terawatts

[versed mesa]

Nah your not right in the head you need help 😂

[past dune]

I don't disagree

[swift turret]

some people do too much

[versed mesa]

😂

[past dune]

but the goal I set myself way way back then... was to try and make the most Wattage possible in a Vanilla Game..

[versed mesa]

I cant think on building that much

[versed mesa]

Yeah that be cool to see how much

[past dune]

The Uranium, Plutonium, Ficsonium & Alien Power Matrices... were much more complicated to setup though...

I did the math already.. Should get 8.9 Terawatts..

[versed mesa]

Don't talk to me about theys 😂

[past dune]

I'm curious if anyone ever made a similar goal build to max out wattage at Vanilla...

[versed mesa]

Phase 5 is extremely over stimulating lol

[scenic mirage]

probably not, you know how satisfactory players are known for settling for just enough

[versed mesa]

😂

[scenic mirage]

just break it down into parts, you got it

[past dune]

so what your saying is I'm Unique & Insane? 🙂

[versed mesa]

Tbh I did get started with making nuclear factory but then my head started to struggling even more it all felt over stimulated for me so I need reset away from the game while I try get in thinking mode again

[scenic mirage]

yeah nuclear is an entirely different beast tbh

[normal orbit]

#screenshots message Fuel ring

[scenic mirage]

it took me like 2 months to build, putting in like 20-30 hours a week on average

[past dune]

this could give you some direction for all Nuclear, from Uranium to Alien Power Matrices...

but.. it's a bit of a mess.. but very usefull

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BmSZGt1UbRt77WelIN9rYvyp99chb3nIuoGN4fybw4s/edit?usp=sharing

[versed mesa]

I think what I should do is to setup a bunch of transport and get alot of stuff delivered to one factory to the other and have serton multiple different factories craft most of the nit so hard stuff

This is the best strategy ive got pop up in my head

[past dune]

that's Sexy... I can't go as sexy as this..
My save file is already at 40 megs...

[versed mesa]

Hell yeah it is lol

[versed mesa]

Thanks

[past dune]

My Storage Space for excess Plutonium waste,

I did the math, it will take over 13,435 Hours to fill to max 🙂

I think I'm Good... 🙂

[versed mesa]

Omg this build is insane what you crafting here ?

[normal orbit]

power

504gw of it

[versed mesa]

@past dune ive decided i do not like waste lol

[past dune]

there's no choice if you want to be able to build 50 alien power matrixes per minute... you can't process all the plutonium waste.. at Vanilla that is...

but over 13 thousand hours of storage space.. wont be an issue 🙂

[versed mesa]

Waste should go into making nuke explosives or something

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[past dune]

if you get lost in the spreadsheet and need help, let me know...

[versed mesa]

Ive just opened it and instantly closed it i am not good with spread sheets I got lazy head for this stuff I never lije doing stuff like this on computer

[rain wedge]

for drones right plutonium fuel = legit 0 per min? even if hours still 0?

[versed mesa]

I am dyslexic and have high functioning Autism

And recovering from mental health still

[rain wedge]

from uranium rod?

[versed mesa]

Soon as 1.2 drops and mods mist mods get updated to work on 1.2 ill be back to work on my save again

[normal orbit]

no rocket fuel, 14 pipes full, 840 generators = 504GW

[normal orbit]

its not 0, its rounded down to 0, but might be like 0.004 or something

[rain wedge]

my 140GW ish power from uranium rod i already think its plenty....504GW 💀

[normal orbit]

nuclear is coming, but havign trouble deciding on a design which i like

[past dune]

I like my Motherboard for Nuclear 🙂

#screenshots message

[normal orbit]

#math-and-meta message this was last concept idea. need to make the ring a lot bigger

[past dune]

yeah you do 🙂

[rain wedge]

but sadly theres no pure uranium source

[fossil oyster]

My factory produces 1225GW and I consume up to 1150GW of it. Tier 9 goes brrrr

[past dune]

If your @ Vanilla, you need around 206 Nuclear Generators, for all 3 Rod Types.