satisfactory

[strong fiber]

What are the FMF alternates

[sullen gull]

Actually, HMF wouldn't be a good choice imo. Because one should be on Coal by then

[whole drum]

But you might also do these comparisons with other parts, like Computers, S.Computers, Radios, etc. I suspect that the more production is involved with the chain, the more likely it has a chance of being worth

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch Fused+Modular+Frame

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Fused+Modular+Frame

[sullen gull]

Info there, but Tl;dr, there is only one Alt ... Heat-Fused Frame

[queen slate]

Is turbo/rocket/ionized what people use for fuel power?

[whole drum]

Some of the guys here don't like Turbo, but I like all of them

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message will the head lift from the extractors reach the pump?

[white dawn]

Ionized is, in general, not worth it (for power-generation purposes, anyway) -- you'd get more net power by sticking to Rocket

[sullen gull]

Ionized isn't worth it due to net return, but otherwise yes. And nuke

[queen slate]

So I should try go for rocket?

[strong fiber]

I’m seeing which recipe is more worth to use to make fused Modulaur frames with in the dune desert to make pressure conversion cubes

[white dawn]

Rocket is by practically every metric the GOAT for fuel-based power, yeah

[whole drum]

Oh, yeah. Should have mentioned ionized is best for jetpack/vehicles--not power production

[sullen gull]

Yes, however, I wouldn't put the pump that close to the junction

[sick falcon]

why not?

[white dawn]

The only real downside is Endless Fuel Gen Spam (which can be alleviated somewhat with overclocking + blueprints, of course)

[queen slate]

K ty

[sick falcon]

where should i put it then

[queen slate]

Will I need any alt recipes?

[strong fiber]

Since both use nitrogen gas probably just gonna use the regular recipe

[sullen gull]

Also, an extractor never needs more than a Mk1 pipe coming straght out of it.

[whole drum]

As far as the eye can see...

[sullen gull]

Use a beam or two walls to measure up 8m

[white dawn]

'cause the Ionized production process eats up so much Rocket Fuel that the net power output ends up nearly identical (or worse), compared to if you'd just burnt the Rocket Fuel directly

[sullen gull]

Best bet would bank on finding all the drives on the map. Then you have options 🙂

[queen slate]

True

[sullen gull]

Typically, most will make a large RF plant, and syphon off a bit for a smol Ionized setup for the jetpack

[sullen gull]

But, yes, some alts are worth it imo...

[strong fiber]

You dont need alt recipes but they allow you to progress through the game alot easier and as well as produce things alot more efficiently

[sullen gull]

Alu beams > steel screws = ❤️

[queen slate]

I find alts really handy but they can be a lil annoying to grind

[lethal mesa]

I haven't gotten to the point where I'm using nuclear power yet, and ideally I want to set up the loop to recycle uranium waste, but is there anything stopping someone from just loading up their inventory with nuclear waste and just flying way out into the ocean to die and leave it out there? You can see I am very conscious of the environment...

[clear tartan]

how come ada goes rouge when you research alien matter

[queen slate]

I like that idea

[white dawn]

You'd still leave a death crate with all that waste. Can save yourself the respawning by just storing the waste out there in ISCs in the first place. :)

Uranium-laden Death Crates is just ISCs with more trauma attached. :D

[queen slate]

You can’t delete waste in ur inv can you?

[white dawn]

Nope

[sullen gull]

When I start a new save, I will spend a weekend driving all over the map in the explorer. It's great because you can just throw leaves/wood/mycellia in them and go. Usually after I have the parachute, basher, leg thingys.

[white dawn]

You can load up doggos with waste and, y'know, arrange for some accidents. And you can flush waste down the HUB toilet one at a time.

[strong fiber]

Find all the hardrive sites in the game (or atleast 108). Then you will have every alternate recipe

[white dawn]

(not one stack at a time; literally one at a time)

[sullen gull]

I believe you can flush it though 🤣

[strong fiber]

1 at a time

[sullen gull]

Oh that's riiight lol

I only flushed something once when it first came out 🤣 ... I think it was some grass 🤣 🤣

[whole drum]

Can't let the DEA catch you with that

[strong fiber]

ADA yells at you for flushing the nuclear waste

[white dawn]

I'd still love it if flushed items in the HUB just accumulated underneath the HUB

[strong fiber]

You flush radioactive items and ur hub becomes radioactive

[whole drum]

Flush something radioactive and a 3-eyed fish appears in the toilet

[sick falcon]

😭

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/blinky-the-simpsons-simpsons-fish-three-eyes-gif-18197463

[whole drum]

Something like that 😄

[queen slate]

Do explorers take a lot of fuel?

[whole drum]

Not really

[white dawn]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Explorer#Fuel_consumption (have to click to expand the table)

[golden elbow]

I got tired of waiting on rotors, and now make 30/m on phase 2

possible mistake

[white dawn]

It does use up fuel more quickly than tractor/truck

[sullen gull]

Speaking of doggos, for any newbies, the "Doggo Cave", found alonge the western beach, is rife with items. Blade runners, basher, (I swear there was a jetpack in there at one point, but can't seem to find it anymore)

[white dawn]

(And infinitely more quickly than the cart!)

[whole drum]

Nah, you'll want them for Phase 3

[queen slate]

Ty

[white dawn]

You might have run into Johnny, re: jetpack (which isn't cave-specific, just a mob spawn chance)

[strong fiber]

Who is johnny bro

[queen slate]

Me

[feral jay]

Yep, in this game, pigs DO fly, on occasion

[sullen gull]

Giant Hog with a jetpack 🤣

[white dawn]

Bit of a spoiler, but: ||a rare hog spawn who comes equipped with a jetpack and likes to be, er, friendly||

[strong fiber]

oh hell naw

[queen slate]

Is the spoiler a big one?

[whole drum]

It's a bit of one

[white dawn]

Heh, no, it's in fact exactly what Tinker said just above. :D

[queen slate]

Oh mb

[white dawn]

So it's a bit of a pointless spoiler at the moment. 🥳

[queen slate]

lol

[sullen gull]

1/1000 chance to spawn though.

[white dawn]

Yeah, definitely not something you can count on

[strong fiber]

If i see johnny he getting blasted bro

[white dawn]

Though I got lucky on my last two playthroughs and got myself an early jetpack!

[whole drum]

Good odds for a PSO1 player

[white dawn]

Honestly you're more likely to be the one getting blasted. :D Johnny's spicy

[strong fiber]

Gonna shove a nuke down his throat

[feral jay]

Although he still leaves a jetpack when he kerpslodes, right?

[sullen gull]

Especially when you DON't have a jetpack yourself yet 🤣

[white dawn]

But once your HUB counter's reset, you should be able to stroll back over there and get your spoils. :)

Yeah, some folks don't even really realize when they've been Johnny'd. Can happen awfully fast

[sullen gull]

But yeah, I would Highly, and always recommend just making an Explorer and go explor for a weekend. The map is awesome and ADA ain't gonna yell at ya for not being "effeicent" 😛

[teal geyser]

I never encountered Johnny on my post 1.0 world

[white dawn]

I do hope they eventually fix the bug where the fog-of-war doesn't lift when driving in vehicles

Makes vehicle-based exploration a bit more annoying

[sullen gull]

Oh? Havn't ever noticed that one

[white dawn]

Yeah, you just get little pockets of revealed map when you eventually step out of your vehicle

(Having said that, I realize that maybe that was fixed in v1.1 and I just haven't noticed yet. Was definitely still a bug as of v1.0 though)

[whole drum]

That would bother me a lot if I wasn't already so familiar with the map

[sullen gull]

I do wish there was a scanner for the vehicle though

Yeah, If that is still the case, maybe I don't reccomend it as much :/. Because that is annoying

[white dawn]

I'm actually not super fond of vehicle-based exploration anyway; I nearly always want to end up going "off track" and would have to dismantle the vehicle to carry with me anyway (which negates the trunk carrying-capacity exploration benefit)

Whenever I've tried I found that I want to get out of the vehicle every few seconds anyway; becomes more of an annoyance for me. :D

[sullen gull]

I started doing it to get a "feel" for the natural roads.

[queen slate]

Man you can’t use a scanner in the explorer

[sullen gull]

Yeah, would be an awesome add-on imo. Wonder if there is a QA post on it already

[queen slate]

Just sent my explorer into the void

[whole drum]

Would be cool to be able to upgrade the explorer as you get further down the MAM. Add stuff to the vehicle by providing parts to it--radar, scanner, extra storage, better acceleration, etc

[sullen gull]

Sooo, careful on doing that a lot. Afaik, that can cause issues as they're never removed? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)

[white dawn]

Another suggestion I love is for the Explorer specifically to include a built-in radar-tower like effect

[white dawn]

I think that might have been fixed up for v1.0 actually

[sullen gull]

Yeah, but there is no minimap... so having to open the map every few meters would be annoying.

One sec, going through onboarding ... again 😛

[whole drum]

A minimap option in the game would actually be really nice

[eager tusk]

How do I get the zipline tool after unlocking the power poles?

[white dawn]

your compass is kind of a very flat minimap

[feral jay]

unlocked via the MAM

[white dawn]

One's in the MAM, the other's in the AWESOME shop. I always forget which is which. :) Edit: Bah, memory fails me. Ignore this!

So, whichever one you didn't unlock the poles from. (The MAM, apparently. :)

[eager tusk]

Unlcoekd the poles from the MAM so the zipline tool would be in the awesome shop?

[whole drum]

Zipline is MAM

[eager tusk]

What tree?

[feral jay]

!wikisearch zipline

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=zipline

[white dawn]

Oh actually I'm just wrong all around. I'd thought you meant Power Towers

But Power Towers are just a regular milestone unlock

[lilac bear]

MAM Caterium Research - Zipline

[whole drum]

I think it's in Cat, with other power stuff

[white dawn]

So eh, ignore me. As everyone else already said, it's MAM. :)

[whole drum]

What is in the Awesome Shop are hanging wall nodes for power lines, and double-sided nodes to use with walls.

[sullen gull]

Erm, another thing, wish they would fix the 'Retaliate' setting 😒

[white dawn]

What's up with that one?

[sullen gull]

They don't actually retaliate 🤣

[white dawn]

(I generally either just do full Hostile or Peaceful)

Hm. Maybe they're at least thinking unkind thoughts about you?

[whole drum]

I've only ever had full hostile, but I noticed the Explorer turns off their AI

[dawn mist]

Me suddenly realizing that "DNA Point" does not equal "DNA capsule"....

[eager tusk]

OH lol, I dont have that unlocked gotta find some

Thanks everyone

[dawn mist]

💸💸💸

[lilac bear]

Those wall nodes come in handy once you have the hoverpack.

[whole drum]

Hell yeah. Cat is awesome.

[lilac bear]

Is hostile different from default?

[eager tusk]

Any place I can find a quick cat node in grass spawn?

[whole drum]

Or for more aesthetic methods of providing power to your machines

[lilac bear]

Pole mark 2 is very good too. You really want some cat.

[whole drum]

You have nobs yet?

[magic rune]

it's x1000 because ada knows humans are hardcoded for liking big number go up

[sullen gull]

I wanted retaliate because I just got tired of them running at me, but figured it only fair they fight back if I attack them 🤣

[lilac bear]

Ofc

[white dawn]

No, that's the default. (I don't even remember if it's called "Hostile" or not)

[eager tusk]

Nobs?

[daring sonnet]

CAN SOMEONE HELP ME

[lilac bear]

It's 'default' in my menu.

[daring sonnet]

IM SO BORED LOL

[white dawn]

Hug the western coast and go up for a bit, is I think the closest

[lilac bear]

That's not a question.

[daring sonnet]

TRUE MB

[lilac bear]

Go to the coast.

[whole drum]

I'll take that as a "no." You may have found some raw caterium in rocks around the map, shove those in the MAM so you can scane for resource nodes.

[daring sonnet]

DOES ANYONE WANNA JOIN ME IM PRETTY FAR

[lilac bear]

Stop screaming, I'm not blind.

[grizzled lotus]

didn't work. oh well, I moved on

[white dawn]

#1201555265942724758

[sick falcon]

how do i utilize all the oil in the crater when theres not nearly enough nitrogen gas nearby to turn it into rocket fuel

[magic rune]

there's hostile (aggro on sight), retaliate (aggro if you shoot first), and passive (won't fight back except for hatchers still spawning bees)...

and then there's minecraft-style peaceful where the mobs just go "AH-" out of existence the instant they spawn, but that requires a mod

[daring sonnet]

mb i forgot about caps

[lilac bear]

Hostile is probably the default behaviour then

[daring sonnet]

no one answers lol

[white dawn]

Regardless, anyone else who's interested in setting up multiplayer sessions will be there.

[leaden turret]

people who are looking for group are in looking for group
if nobody is responding to looking for group then nobody is in looking for group because nobody is looking for group

[white dawn]

If you're not getting takers over there, you're not gonna have better luck asking a channel where folks mostly don't want to see it. :)

[sullen gull]

Oh my, it's been a good bit since I've done the onboarding lol. Forgot we don't get immediate access to the map

[lilac bear]

#satisfactory message

[white dawn]

Yeah, onboarding can be kind of a trip

[whole drum]

Yeah, I just skip it these days. It's okay for learning, but it's not fun for progression.

[white dawn]

The portable miners never fail to strike me as super odd given the rest of the game

[true orchid]

Is there a build planner app for android? I suck at making factories

[sullen gull]

Oh, I'm not saying it's not fun. Not at all.

[whole drum]

Just use the SF Tools website

[lilac bear]

Onboarding is great, you got to start somewhere 🙂

[white dawn]

I think that https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production works okay on mobile

[whole drum]

And I like starting in T1 🙂

[lilac bear]

And if it doesn't, just blame @reef basin

[upper gale]

I just find it funny you can put as many as you want on one node. And people actually do that too

[whole drum]

Blame him a lot. He needs it.

[dull sparrow]

hi everyone

[whole drum]

It's actually a good way to hit certain nodes that have destructible rocks on them before you get Nobs.

[lilac bear]

Cheats

[upper gale]

Oh okay yeah fair

[lilac bear]

Honour the grind

[sullen gull]

OK... started at 2:26... going to see how long it will take me to hit coal ... 😏

[whole drum]

There's a cat node in N. Forest that's like that, for example.

[leaden turret]

[upper gale]

That onboarding grind is hella boring

[whole drum]

Very

[lilac bear]

If you restart often enough, I imagine. I try not to do that too much.

[copper lantern]

Just a quick question, is it normal for pipes to not stay constantly full? Like dip down to 10% and go back up?

Before trying anything I let the pipes/machines fill up by setting the clock speed to 0.1%. I've tried maxing out at 600, and also tried the exact amount of 480, yet the pipes don't seem to stay full... but my machines don't seem to be starved (at least not yet). Is this normal behavior or should I still try to troubleshoot to make them constantly stay full

[whole drum]

But yeah, early access to Cat research is such a boon, even if it's only semi-automated

[dull sparrow]

how does this work i havent been social in a while

[upper gale]

What is cat, what are we talking about xd

[white dawn]

If you prefilled the pipes (and the machines' input buffers) then they should stay mostly full if things are working okay. Might be worth posting in #1038092680493801533 with some screenshots, etc

[whole drum]

You start by buying a round of coffee for the house

[sullen gull]

Make sure you are not just doing a straight mainfold for your machines. Make your main feed line into a loop

[lilac bear]

Even if you just get a couple hundred cat ore, it's a great start. But once you have coal, you'll want to put a miner/smelter on it and transform it into wire. Dump it in a box temporarily if need be, just make a lot of it. That mk2 pole is so much easier to make factories with than mk1.

[whole drum]

!wikisearch caterium

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=caterium

[lilac bear]

Caterium

[upper gale]

Ah gotcha

[white dawn]

I do almost wonder if you've got a stray bit of mk1 pipe somewhere which is restricting something to 300/min when it needs more

[copper lantern]

Alright will do

[dull sparrow]

how much is it im broke so i got 5 bucks to spare

[copper lantern]

I can try rebuilding it again, perhaps I missed one

[lilac bear]

You should probably save that for your powerbill.

[whole drum]

Besides, who wants to associate with brokees? Pffft

[slender bear]

If I'm starting in the grassy fields, do I get oil at the islands, or the blue crater?

[copper lantern]

Yea I have tried it looping the end back to the beginning of the manifold and it didn't seem to help

[magic rune]

islands, definitely. there's some big beasties in the blue crater

[dull sparrow]

yeah probably but doesnt ficsit pay for coffee or does that come from our pockets?

[lilac bear]

Start at the islands, west of the big coast.

[whole drum]

It comes out of your alloted break time budget

[magic rune]

and you'd also generally be heading west to the forest lake for your first coal power anyway

[lilac bear]

Ficsit likes exploiting everything, didn't you read the onboarding?

[upper gale]

Get oil from islands and save crater for when you wanna make rocket fuel

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I'd agree with @white dawn and make a thread in #1038092680493801533 with screen shots of the setup

[whole drum]

Islands is a wonderful place anyway

[dull sparrow]

true

[whole drum]

And you're half way to rocky desert, which has lots and lots of useful resources

[copper lantern]

Alrighty, Ill try rebuilding the pipe first to be sure and then Ill post in there thank you

[dull sparrow]

oh i get it now but i can aford a coffee because i dont take breaks

[whole drum]

That's right. You don't need rest if you have caffeine.

[sullen gull]

just started there 😛

[whole drum]

I love it

[lilac bear]

We'll sleep when we're dead

[whole drum]

And Johny can help with that

[dull sparrow]

death only stops a unmotivated worker

[whole drum]

This is why the best business owners are also necromancers

[lilac bear]

Work them to death and then some

[sick falcon]

is there an alternate rocket fuel recipe that’s less nitrogen gas heavy?

[lilac bear]

!wikisearch rocket fuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rocket+fuel

[silk rose]

secret inside info, 1.2 will make conveyors consume electricity to fight spaghetti

[lilac bear]

1 nitric acid per 10 or 3 nitrogen gas per 6.

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure default uses the least nitrogen

[shy oar]

does anyone know why one of my pipes doesnt constantly stay at 480m3/min? Its jumping between 240 and 90 and i cant find the problem

[silk rose]

alt uses more sulfur

[sick falcon]

oh i was using nitro

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=sng8DocpqWM0ctNE9vV6
this is generally the cheapest RF chain

[upper gale]

Is it a manifold? Also prefill the pipes and see if it still happens

[shy oar]

idk really know if its a manifold lol. I found the problem tho. It seems that over time some pipes grow distant and need to be brought back together

[upper gale]

Sounds like my relationship /jk
Well good you found it

[sullen gull]

Why does it use the base AND the alt for turbofuel

[hard ivy]

Blend for sulfur and coal efficiency and default for recycling compacted coal

[grizzled lotus]

like, is the entire game from phase 4 just planning train networks? 😵‍💫

[sullen gull]

Uhhhhh... so now need more power for the refineries making pet coke, and, I thought the blender recipe for TF uses MORE sulfur?

[hard ivy]

You can easily finish the game without using a single train

[grizzled lotus]

...easily?

[clear tartan]

what am i meant to do with power towers

[grizzled lotus]

ylisae...?

[clear tartan]

then back to power poles

[grizzled lotus]

connect far away areas if there's nothing in-between

[hard ivy]

it uses far more oil than default. but also no coal and a quarter less sulfur. which is why it's terrible for burning directly for power but great for making turbofuel

[upper gale]

I'm gonna try it in my newer save, just good ol' long ass conveyors or conveyor busses

[clear tartan]

how do i connect them to power poles though

nevermind

[grizzled lotus]

the bottom part of towers connect to power poles, the top part connects to other power towers

[grizzled lotus]

realizing now the planning part for far away materials is the tough part

[golden elbow]

Question- Is making each stages components in seperate factories, like, a good idea?

[grizzled lotus]

usually yes

[golden elbow]

Cause I've just set up a place that'll make 60pm of one component, and I can't think of how I'd squeeze anything else in lol

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch independency

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[grizzled lotus]

if you're talking about space elevator parts, it's better to build them on their own instead of funneling your other materials into it

[golden elbow]

Understood, will do

[golden elbow]

Thank ya!

[solemn edge]

is this game still in alpha or is it fully released?

[golden elbow]

I’ll set up a Mall and then do separate component locations then.

[solemn edge]

As in, is it possible for them to add huge changes or features?

(like, new ores and so on)

[sullen gull]

#welcome

[feral jay]

It's released

[sullen gull]

#faq

[leaden turret]

it's fully released, but neither of the options you gave preclude the ability to add huge changes or features

[solemn edge]

I mean

It can always be added, yes.

[feral jay]

They do add features from time to time, I think it was 1.1 that gave us elevators and smart mergers, right?

[solemn edge]

But isn-

[solemn edge]

That is not a huge thing.

[sullen gull]

priority*

[feral jay]

yeah priority mergers

[solemn edge]

Im talking about. Like, NEW ores. Something that COULD effect the game

Priority mergers and elevators are still good, yes. But it isnt as big as this

[feral jay]

No, I wouldn't count on major changes like that without a DLC or something of that nature

[solemn edge]

DLC ore.

Sounds like FICSIT alright.

[fading whale]

Mercury mines with metal as a liquid.
Not sure what to use it for though 😄

[leaden turret]

rectal thermometers for lizard doggo butthole or cloaca

[solemn edge]

Graphite

would be cool in the game

and maybe even make graphene

[fading whale]

Non eletric trains so we can power them with rocket fuel.

[golden elbow]

I mean, it would be incredibly funny to see ficsit decide that Saving the Day requires more than one planet Explored and Exploited™

[solemn edge]

Im more for eco friendly trains than fuel trains

[leaden turret]

rocket fuel > fuel gen > power grid > electric train

same thing 😛

[feral jay]

pfft I want horse drawn carriages and an entire horse feeding production&logistics path

[solemn edge]

How much horse power would your horse carriages have

[leaden turret]

horse lizard doggo

[fading whale]

Don't worry. You can just use biofuel. Make them as slow as walking.

[leaden turret]

zero.

horse power provided by horse, not horse carriage

[hard ivy]

300 km/h trains powered by ionized fuel would be fun

But the devs said that unfortunately 120 km/h is basically the cap because the game can't load terrain any faster than that

[solemn edge]

Doesnt a horse carriage have horses?

[leaden turret]

horse sold separately

[feral jay]

Yes but the carriage has no horsepower, only horses have horsepower

[solemn edge]

Im talking about a HORSE carriage

not a carriage

[leaden turret]

a carriage made of glue horses?

[sullen gull]

🤦‍♂️

[feral jay]

You're not getting it, we're being unnecessarily pedantic

[solemn edge]

How about we address the horse in the carriage

[leaden turret]

neigh

[feral jay]

Hay now, let's keep on topic

[solemn edge]

When will we have arachnid carriages

I want to see that ass green shit stain that can maul me take me anywhere I want

[sullen gull]

I want to be able to tame an Alpha Stinger.... then sick it on Johnny 😏

[solemn edge]

A horse carriage is in the FICSIT topic

Havent you read the handbook

[leaden turret]

⬛⬛⬛⬛
🛞⬛🛞

[solemn edge]

Id prefer the green cats

[fading whale]

One actual qol improvement I'd like would be auto-connect powerconnections.

[solemn edge]

Good point, but there is something even better

[white dawn]

The main problem is how to specify what autoconnects. Belts + Pipes rely on having those "stubs" in the blueprints, etc

[sullen gull]

Woulld probably need to be a specific connector.

[white dawn]

Whereas a blueprint with a bunch of buildings could have a ton of power connections; which ones connect and which ones don't etc?

[white dawn]

Yeah, a separate buildable of some sort would presumably be needed

[fading whale]

I get the complexity 🙂
Still would be nice.

[feral jay]

I'd love to be able to autoconnect power lines when I'm placing my blueprinted power poles

[eager harbor]

Guys how do I get smart plating

For space elevator

The codex says recipe locked?

[sullen gull]

I mean, ideally, a blueprint with buildings in it, one would already have them connected some how (regular pole or hidden, etc). I'm saying they could have a specific connector that is only used for auto-connect.

[hard ivy]

Make it in an assembler

[eager harbor]

I dont have that yet

[solemn edge]

Id prefer that you could use zoop mode from both sides

[hard ivy]

Then unlock it

[golden elbow]

Do to your HUB and research it^^

[solemn edge]

I dont like the fact that If I want to make a 3x3 or something, I have to do it 3 times instead of just

Turning it to one corner and it fills it all up

[golden elbow]

General rule of thumb, complete each STAGE per PHASE
You’re on PHASE 1, so complete STAGES 1+2

[gritty zealot]

is there any way to connect multiple cables to something without having to go from the source to machine back and forth?

[solemn edge]

Wait, you need to research it.?

[white dawn]

s/STAGE/TIER/g :)

[solemn edge]

Wait who the fuck doesnt research all the phases before they do STAGES?!

[eager harbor]

I dont want to

[solemn edge]

or projects, or wtv I call them

[fading whale]

Was anyone about to dive into rocket fuel?
I am currently working on a setup if you want to compare notes.

[golden elbow]

I can’t remember if it’s phase or stage of project assembly-

[white dawn]

Multiple Milestones make up a Tier, every 2 Tiers makes up a Phase. "Stage" would be a confusing term to start using. :)

[golden elbow]

Whatever it is, do the little things unlocked by sending stuff up first!

[white dawn]

(well technically it's the Space Elevator itself which has Phases, but it's a small bit of well-established handwaving to tie Tiers and Phases together. :)

[golden elbow]

Oh yeah, should I expect to wait like, a while per Proj. assembly item? Cause I’ll be making 30 plates/m, and I need 1k sob

[white dawn]

You might have to wait awhile, for sure. The nice thing about Plates is that if you did fully-automate their production for Phase 1, you can just let that factory keep churning out plates for the next phase

You will almost certainly be done with the 1k delivery long before you're ready to give it the other items it needs, even if they're really slow

[golden elbow]

I did, but on a tiny scale, hence I’ve just replaced it

[white dawn]

For other SE-part factories that I build, I tend to try and target a 2-hour delivery timeline from when the factory powers on, so I get my production rate targets from that. :)

But for Smart Plating I nearly always just leave my Phase 1 factory in place and let it slowly plonk through while I work on other stuff

[golden elbow]

Sounds good! I’ll probably aim for 1000-30pm, 500-15 etc etc

And in my time waiting, grab the orbs I need for my mall

[upper gale]

I've been gathering spheres too this entire time got like 25+ so far today (without scim "it ain't much but it's honest work")

[tame bobcat]

errr… i kinda wasted hella time building random stuff instead of of automating modular engines and adaptive control engines 😭😭💔

[queen slate]

I am but I don’t have any notes lol

Raw and inefficient brainpower is gonna be how I make mine

And a calculator

[dense heron]

how do I see people adding a splitter into the middle of an existing belt - doesnt seem to auto connect?

[queen slate]

It needs to be blue

Yellow doesn’t connect I think

Sry for bad explanation

[upper gale]

Select splitter and aim at the belt itself

[white dawn]

Yeah, the belt needs to be sufficiently long, and the coloration will indicate where it's appopriate (if the curves are too tight, etc, it won't let you)

[upper gale]

I'm not a fan of adding splitters onto existing belts like that though

Most veterans also don't

[fading whale]

I'm setting up in blue crater.
All the production is in place and now I just need to place 1.200 fuel generators....

[sullen gull]

If you do, rebuild the belts after

[queen slate]

Gj

[white dawn]

If you weren't planning to already, do yourself a favor and overclock those gens; can get yourself down to 480 gens, at least.

[fading whale]

I know. But that's a lot of shards 😄

[queen slate]

Are you somerslooping your shards?

[sullen gull]

Gathering goes quicker than you think when slooping slugs

[fading whale]

Oh yeah. I have tons. Just greedy af.

[tame bobcat]

is turbofuel worth getting? seen a lot of stuff on it and fuel feels kind of mid for gens ngl

[queen slate]

You can automate them later no point in hoarding them

[white dawn]

Remember that you can eventually fully automate shard production! If you've got the stock, no need to be stingy. :)

[sullen gull]

I wouldn't be. over 5k on the map if slooped, and can make then later

[white dawn]

Turbofuel itself is worth getting for various reasons, though at that stage of the game, many believe the best "bang for your buck" is the Heavy Oil Residue alt combined with the Packaged Diluted Fuel alt.

[upper gale]

It's gonna be worth it, sloop your slugs. Fuel gens are so big it sucks placing a lot

[white dawn]

HOR+Diluted gives you a lot more Fuel for your input oil, and can easily last you well into the next phase powerwise

[queen slate]

That’s what I did

[tame bobcat]

oh wait i have both those already lol, might as well get it then ?

[white dawn]

The "Packaged" version (which uses a refinery) is a little more involved to set up than the later Blender-based version (in Phase 4) but it's well worth it

[white dawn]

Yeah, you'll be happy with the results. :)

[sullen gull]

Outside of the "less plumbing", why is diluted packaged better?

[grizzled lotus]

is there a bug where I stop getting the ada/alien conversations? I used to get them every couple of mercers/sloops but I haven't gotten them in quite a while

[sullen gull]

Same output for both isn't it?

[white dawn]

IMO Turbofuel is fine for power, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're building somewhere which already has all of oil+coal+sulfur, and there's not too many spots on the map. And Diluted sort of gets you "more" anyway. (You could, of course, do Turbofuel on top of Diluted, if you want, but just Diluted will do very well for you)

[sullen gull]

Yes, after a while they stop

[grizzled lotus]

I'm sure the conversation wasn't over, though

[white dawn]

Oh, Packaged Diluted Fuel isn't better, it's just the only one you have access to in phase 3

[fading whale]

I can stack them pretty good though 😄
#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Ahh, yeah... fair.

[white dawn]

Once you've got Blenders, there's no real reason to ever go back to the Packaged version, unless you just viscerally enjoy watching those packages loop around. :D

(which, admittedly, is fun to watch)

[queen slate]

Wow gj

[upper gale]

Oh great, I like that

[queen slate]

And satisfying

[sullen gull]

Oooof , the amount of pumps unless production is up top or using rocket fuel

[grizzled lotus]

doesn't diluted packaged whatever save you on plastic for cannisters if you want to power fuel generators? you just feed it the stack of empty canisters for the packaged water, then you can unpackage all the fuel and recycle the empty cannisters into packaged water

[fading whale]

Rocket fuel 🙂

[sullen gull]

Lol ok... sorry if I missed that earlier. I definitely love it though! gj! 😛

[white dawn]

One more thing re: Packaged Diluted Fuel, btw: I highly recommend doing those in "closed loops." You can fit 1x Refinery + 2x Packager right inside even a 4x4 blueprinter, and have about 20-30 Empty Packages "preloaded" into the Packaged Water packager, too. Once you've got the blueprint set up, it's a one-click placement which will take in HOR+Water and spit out Fuel (just like the eventual Blender version, though at a slower rate). One example setup of that: #math-and-meta message

[queen slate]

Why would rocket fuel make a difference

[fading whale]

Rocket fuel is a gas. doesn't require pumps to go up.

[sullen gull]

It's a gas. Doesn't need pumps.

[queen slate]

?????

Ooooh

[fading whale]

Same as nitrogen.

[white dawn]

Yeah, the ideal way to handle it is to do a "closed loop" where you have a fixed seed of packages and they just spin around forever. :)

[grizzled lotus]

#screenshots message yay!

[queen slate]

I’m just getting empty fluid tanks now to unlock rocket fuel

[sullen gull]

Not to be confused with Nitric Acid though 😏

[queen slate]

Did you use blenders in your design ive never used them before and i wanna know if they good

[feral jay]

"Nitrogen, being a gas, does not need pumps for pipeline transportation" lol just hit that milestone now

[sullen gull]

Here is a solid RF setup: #screenshots message

You don't have to do that many gens though of course.

[fading whale]

Basically a necessity. Blenders aren't difficult.

[tame bobcat]

saving this for later dude thanks 🙏

[sullen gull]

OK .... about an hour thirty to complete the hub.... That's with bsing in here 🤣

And running around rebuilding the hub twice 🤣

[fading whale]

Production for rocket fuel.
Pretty happy with my blender BP. One box is 8 blenders. Easily modifiable for different recepies.
#screenshots message

[feral jay]

ohh yeah that's why I wanted advanced aluminium, so I can buy a few fused frames for Mk.3 miners

[queen slate]

Did you use an alt for rf?

[fading whale]

I used the standard. My goal was to import as little as possible from outside the blue crater. And the alt requires too much sulfur.

[sullen gull]

Rocket fuel requires a blender either way. But the alt uses a ton more sulfur

[fading whale]

So "only" had to run a nitrogen pipe from outside.

[queen slate]

Last q did u use m3 miners

[sullen gull]

You should always use the highest miner. When you get a new miner, upgrade your old ones

[drowsy kelp]

If the old ones work fine why bother

[fiery garden]

overclock miners!

[sullen gull]

Er, unless you really don't want to expand a factory

[fiery garden]

bother because each upgrade doubles output

[white dawn]

I always just use whatever miner's appropriate for the factory which needs it

[drowsy kelp]

If you don’t need the extra output it’ll just be wasted

[sullen gull]

Because it's not 'effecient' if you're not maxing out a node 🤣

[white dawn]

My factory consuming 240/min of something isn't going to start producing more material just 'cause I upgrade its miner to start providing 480/min. :)

[drowsy kelp]

Wasting items is less efficient than not creating more than you need

[fiery garden]

the factory must grow

[upper gale]

Me collecting spheres while they're telling me to consume blood and defile temples and witness the scriptures or something like that

[white dawn]

By all means, upgrade your miners if you want to start mining more material from the node, but I wouldn't do it just for the sake of it. :)

[sullen gull]

Not if you want that Nut 😉

[white dawn]

Alternatively: the factory must remain exactly as it is while I go build new factories elsewhere. :)

[fiery garden]

NUT!

[drowsy kelp]

I have plenty of overflow shredding for that anyway

[fiery garden]

the planet is the factory

[drowsy kelp]

Without shredding the overflow because of how interconnected everything is it would eventually stall the whole factory

[sullen gull]

Connect it better then 😛

./s

[fiery garden]

planning for failure is a failure of planning

[drowsy kelp]

For example i have to shred the overflow packaged fuel because if the packager stops working the residual fuel stops then the heavy oil residue backs up and the whole thing stops

I’m not sure how you’d connect that better

[dense heron]

how would I create a blueprint like this but have the belts auto connect? do I need to double this and link them w ith belts?

https://imgur.com/a/R9GA2Ye

[fiery garden]

blender alt for diluted fuel doesnt use packager.
fixed.

[drowsy kelp]

Don’t have blender

[sullen gull]

The 7 P's... Piss poor prior planning prevents poor performance. 😏

[drowsy kelp]

Also… if the blender stalls that would still cause the problem

[fiery garden]

so your problem is temporary

[drowsy kelp]

What

The packaged fuel is tossed in the depot for my jetpack, it’s not consistently used

[upper smelt]

How do I make all my coal plants take an equal amount of water so they all run

[drowsy kelp]

If water in = water demand it’ll eventually even out

Assuming there’s no bottlenecks anywhere

[sullen gull]

Fuel is horrible for jetpack. Liquid Bio, Ionized, or hoverpack 🤣

[green fiber]

they take an equal amount once they are full

[fiery garden]

you dont need to force it. any generator that is full can't take more water so it will go into another generator instead.

[drowsy kelp]

Don’t have any of those

[green fiber]

you just gotta fill them all to the brim

[fading whale]

You need belts for them to auto-connect. The supports are not enough.
So save this. And then place it three times in a new BP. Put in belts. Delete the two "end" towers. Then you are left with single tower with belts pointing in both directions.

[drowsy kelp]

Currently on tier 6

[sullen gull]

Liquid biofuel is unlocked when you get refineries. So, yeah, you have it. Just didn't make a factory for it

[dense heron]

ah thank you! I guess the belts would still float after deleting the end towers. thanks, will give it a go

[white dawn]

Turbofuel and Liquid Biofuel are both great midgame fuels for jetpack, btw. Make sure you're tapping thrust repeatedly instead of holding it down

Both are available during Phase 3; Turbofuel will require a MAM unlock

[sullen gull]

Turbofuel is even worse 😒

[upper smelt]

That’s the thing, I have 23 coal gens and the ones in the middle have no water, i have 12 water sucking things should I add more?

[drowsy kelp]

I traveled several hundred meters laterally that way one time

[fading whale]

They will 🙂
Physics in this game is more like a suggestion. Not an actual rule 😄

[white dawn]

Turbofuel is absolutely an upgrade over regular Fuel for the jetpack. I actually use Turbofuel more than I use LBF when in Phase3

[drowsy kelp]

I’d probably have turbofuel if i remembered to not scan the hard drive the second i got it

[upper gale]

We'll probably need to see a picture

[upper smelt]

Oh god

[white dawn]

LBF is basically unparallelled for long-distance hovering, but Turbofuel's a lot nicer for going vertical more quickly, and honestly has a perfectly-respectable horizontal distance

[upper smelt]

Look in help

[drowsy kelp]

12 extractors is more than enough

[fiery garden]

you might be trying to push more water through a pipe than it can handle. mk1 pipe can do 300/min and mk2 can do 600/min.
you should build generators in multples of 8 because each 8 generators is fed perfectly by 3 water extractors and 120 coal

[queen slate]

What’s lbf?

[white dawn]

(and, yeah, the absolute vertical range of LBF is better than Turbofuel, but I've personally found I rarely need the extra height, and prefer the quicker ascent)

[drowsy kelp]

Liquid biofuel?

[queen slate]

Ah ty

[white dawn]

Mostly I recommend always keeping a stack of both around, when on Tier 3, and swap as the situation warrants

No need to restrict yourself to just one or the other. :)

[sick falcon]

liquid biofuel 😭

[fiery garden]

liquid biofuel is the best for jetpack IMO because you get the best horizontal distance

[sullen gull]

And a parachute! 🤣

[white dawn]

But yeah, either are much better than regular Packaged Fuel (or Solid Biofuel)

[sullen gull]

For when you're trying to cross that ravine and run out 😛

[upper smelt]

Go look in help I just posted my set up

[upper gale]

Thanks for the question mark added at the end in case we are stupid

[drowsy kelp]

What

[white dawn]

Yeah, nothing beats it for distance. Though IMO in practice, the horizontal distance provided by Turbofuel-and-higher tends to be more than enough for most of my needs. I tend to only switch to LBF when I'm doing longer treks across the terrain. :)

[upper gale]

LBF until you get rocket fuel I think

[white dawn]

Like if I'm just zooming around building a factory, or even doing "ordinary" exploration, I've come to lean on Turbofuel a lot more than LBF over the years

[upper gale]

Well that's what I prefer

[sullen gull]

Ionized 😛

[white dawn]

(I used to be a pretty strong LBF advocate, but I've come around to more Turbofuel in recent years)

Yeah, Ionized is (IMO) the best overall by a longshot

[sick falcon]

lbf is a pain to make compared to turbo

[upper gale]

This is me but the opposite lol I avoided LBF for years and regret it now

[sullen gull]

Best belileve I unlock it just so I can buy it from the shop 🤣

[white dawn]

Once I've got Ionized I'll basically never use anything else. I think LBF still technically beats it out on range, but the difference isn't enough to make me sacrifice the speed

[sullen gull]

It's really not.

[queen slate]

Do ye use the jet pack more than the hoverpack?

[white dawn]

Two very different usecases for those. I personally use 'em both, quite frequently

[sullen gull]

Jetpack for getting around, hover for building

[queen slate]

Ah ok

[dense heron]

can you auto connect power poles as well? when deleting the end tower, the cable deletes as well unlike the belt

[white dawn]

Jetpack when out of range of power (ie: exploration, most combat), Hoverpack while building or factory traversal

[sullen gull]

But, I tend to use jetpack a lot for building too

[white dawn]

I know some folks prefer jetpack even for factory building

[fading whale]

No 🙁
We were just discussing earlier how nice that would be.

[sick falcon]

spacebar spam goes brr

[dull sparrow]

i know i shouldnt ask here but does anyone want to play im lonely

[drowsy kelp]

The extended interaction range the hoverpack gives you is unbeatable imo

[frail chasm]

I've just tried to plan 5 thermal propulsion rockets/m and am now questioning my life choices. Seriously, like wtf cs?

[sick falcon]

it does what

[drowsy kelp]

Increases the range you can interact with stuff

From 2.5m to 20m

[frail chasm]

Am I missing something or is it a major difficulty spike?

[drowsy kelp]

Is it not supposed to be

[white dawn]

The Phase 4 SE parts (or at least ADS + TPR) will, indeed, be the most complex things you'll have built at that point

[upper gale]

As with anything just break it down into smaller pieces

[white dawn]

If it makes you feel better, Phase 5 is actually a bit of a breather, apart from requiring various "advanced" Phase 4 parts as part of their construction

[white dawn]

Can technically get that from Parachute too, fwiw. :D Handy for grabbing items out of otherwise-hostile areas before you're equipped to deal with nasty wildlife or environmental hazards. :)

[frail chasm]

Well I managed the first two (can't recall but not nuclear pasta) reasonably easy with my modular factories, but hell. Look at this calculator map. It's insane: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=fY47dYIsCnySSRO5AV93

I'm now hitting the point where some components in that tree are needed in 2/3 diff areas of the branches if that makes sense

[white dawn]

Yeah, as you approach the endgame, "aggregate" plans like that are always gonna be a bit wild. Breaking things up, as mentioned, is often a great bit of advice. Like you need RCUs for that plan. So have a separate factory making your 10/min RCUs. You can then add in 10/min RCUs as an "Input" on the inputs tab, which simplifies somewhat

Can do that for a lot of the "bigger" intermediate projects

For me, I tend to end up with sub-factories strewn about over the map, dedicated for those sorts of intermediate products. (And sending the materials around with trains or drones or whatever)

[tranquil saffron]

why are my trains sometimes highlighted in blue or red? usually happens when i am painting, and then when i get close enough to select it, goes away ?

[white dawn]

So my "factory" for TPR might end up being like six geographically-dispersed sub-factories which all funnel the penultimate parts over to where they're assembled into TPRs (or whatever the final product is)

But that way I've got much more manageable chunks to work with, and the production graphs are a lot cleaner to boot

[white dawn]

Just a GUI bug. Perhaps they'll fix it for v1.2

[frail chasm]

Same here @white dawn . Getting unweildly. Just have to bite the bullet.

[sullen gull]

Known bug I believe. You can get rid of it by hovering over with dismantle or reload.

[tranquil saffron]

wow okay ty, yea its not too often, but i think painting is causing it? idk

its kinda cool tho because i can see the trains through stuff... would be a nice mod or option to turn on

[frail chasm]

Just starting to feel like I haven't approached the overall factory design very well. The meta approval if you like...

[sick falcon]

holy

[frail chasm]

I've never been sure how to approach new components. Whether to use previous factory components in their construction or whether to construct them from base materials

[golden nexus]

both, it depends what it is

[fading whale]

I use current just to get started. From that I figure out what is required (without having to plan out everything).
With that in mind, I start planning a bigger setup if needed.

[frail chasm]

For eg?

[upper gale]

It's just something you get the hang of after playing longer. But at your stage it's probably better to start it from scratch

[golden nexus]

Sometimes it makes sense to make new builds, sometimes it makes sense to extend existing builds. But knowing when it key, often it involves scaling existing builds, but it depends on what you have and how you approached the builds

[fading whale]

Thatg was a very nice way of saying he doesn't really have much faith in your abilities.

[frail chasm]

Quite

[golden nexus]

@frail chasm the material requirments change as you prorgress. So things like you suddenly need beam then you don't and you need encased beam instead.... so it makes sense to consume the excess beam which you no longer need

[upper gale]

I would do it that way myself though

[rugged shard]

Wai that lowk smart

[wispy osprey]

Manufacturers needing plastic or rubber is a great demotivator

[upper gale]

Pulling from existing stuff can get complicated unless you really know what's going on in each spot

[golden nexus]

thats about understnading the game, but also if you have really solid factories.. then you ofte have excess stuff as well

[frail chasm]

Understood. But it's how you make that distinction that has always evaded
me. It's almost like you need to see into future requirements before you decide that... If that makes sense.

[golden nexus]

Theres ways to deal with it, but this is a common problem is most people when they start oil don't do enough

[rugged shard]

Cuz rn, im basically automating every item I have unlocked and it's alot, from iron plates to space elevator parts

[fiery garden]

i always do too much lol

[wispy osprey]

Oil isn't my issue, it's how far away it is from everything

[fiery garden]

trains ftw

[wispy osprey]

I basically have to live near oil now

[golden nexus]

Yeah, You you need to be aware what build materials you need, a key thing you need a lot of is motors, you also gotta look at downstream tuff as well. But also assume the factory can double in performance every belt / miner increase

[golden nexus]

Bring oil to you 😉

[fiery garden]

nah, build near oil, dump finished productsonto train, bring train to you

[golden nexus]

Depends on the setup, I had great success in the grass field brining oil back for plastic/rubber.

Either than or you got to take the stuff to the oil normally .....

[rugged shard]

Also is it smart to do that? Basically almost automating every single stuff

[upper gale]

Hm I've never brought the oil to me. But I have brought the plastic and rubber

[fiery garden]

oil is usually near water which is convenient because recycle recipes work well with heavy oil residue alt and diluted fuel alt

[golden nexus]

Turned out to have other advantages as well 🙂

[wispy osprey]

What do i do with the heavy oil residue byproduct when I specifically need rubber and plastic

[golden nexus]

Yup, Which makes sense if you doing a max build, it doesn't make sense if your just doing the unlocks

[grim carbon]

when you drain your pipelines, where does the fluid go?

[upper gale]

Drank it

[golden nexus]

I actually make diamonds with mine, but I also make some fuel with it

[eager harbor]

Is it normal to be stuck on copper limestone and iron at the beginning?

[fiery garden]

you can convert it into coke and put it in a coal generator

[golden nexus]

Stuck?

[wispy osprey]

Ah that's it, thank you

[eager harbor]

Like I’ve been playing for the past 5 hours and am still on these 3 items

[golden nexus]

You doing something very wrong

[eager harbor]

??

[frail chasm]

Think I just need to stop moaning about it and just get on with it. It feels messy, badly planned likely wasteful/inefficient, but that's a bit like need really....

[golden nexus]

Don't know, post in #1038092680493801533 and post a screenshots of all setups

[eager harbor]

I mean I have space rocket now but am still using these 3 elements

I am crafting new stuff

But all using those 3 fundamental elements

[golden nexus]

A lot happens with them

@fiery garden I had great success with this setup btw... #screenshots message

[eager harbor]

Oh but I have rocket elevator am good ye?

[upper gale]

That's fine

[golden nexus]

the space elevator?

[wispy osprey]

Caterium should be on your to-do list. Finding a pure node isn't too bad

[upper gale]

You don't really start using other stuff until steel anyway

[sterile blade]

Haven't you found any others laying around? ^^

[eager harbor]

Ye

[eager harbor]

What is that setup for

[golden nexus]

you don't really get prompted to go for sam / caterium until later but you should do them in the mam tree

Suplhur is the same....

[wispy osprey]

Getting a lot of MAM research out of the way early on is nice

[eager harbor]

Why is christmas tree locked for me

[golden nexus]

You need to unlock that with gifts, it will go away in the next week or so

[eager harbor]

How I only got 1 power slug research up till now

[sick falcon]

turn it into fuel and burn it off

[eager harbor]

I have gifts but I don’t even have access to it

It says tree is locked

[golden nexus]

the hub has an advent calendar

[eager harbor]

Where

[fiery garden]

fuel generator comes later. coke in coal generator is available immediately until more recipes are available

[golden nexus]

The big calendar on the wall.....

[eager harbor]

Bro am freezing it’s 4 celsius right now and I don’t have any heating

[wispy osprey]

I have an 80 turbofuel power plant

[eager harbor]

😭

[golden nexus]

Build more fgatory, get more GPU heat

[eager harbor]

Am saying irl bro

😭

[golden nexus]

Yes

[fiery garden]

me too. my boiler has been broken for 3 weeks. new one is coming tuesday 🥶

[sullen cloak]

Can I ask something?

[eager harbor]

No

[wispy osprey]

Can't be 140 because I'm stuck in phase 3 with no blender

[eager harbor]

Cuz ur taken

[upper gale]

"Understandable have a good day"

[fading whale]

Try. No guarantees for quality of answer 🙂

[eager harbor]

she’s taken don’t answer

[wispy osprey]

Yes you can ask something

[eager harbor]

No

[upper gale]

What's that got to do with anything ._.

[sullen cloak]

SCIM is an Save Editor?

Oops

[wispy osprey]

Why would you need that

[sullen cloak]

My bad

[fading whale]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map
Satisfactory Calculator Interactive Map (SCIM)

And yes. it can edits your saves 🙂

[fiery garden]

you can edit saves with it but THAT'S CHEATING! 😤

[eager harbor]

Am I dumb for choosing rocky desert biome I saw a youtuber saying it’s best

[wispy osprey]

It views the world based on your map save

[sullen cloak]

I need to delete 5 foundation under the mountain
Like I want go no clip and remove it
It's....

The OCD slowly consumed me once more

[fiery garden]

no, you're not dumb, but i wouldn't have chosen that one myself

[wispy osprey]

Rocky desert is mostly empty

[upper gale]

Yeah, I don't recommend it, it has too much power

[eager harbor]

So it’s bad?

[sullen cloak]

Are you smart enough to survive?

[fading whale]

That can do it. But you can also get under the world and delete it yourself. Guides on the internet 🙂

[wispy osprey]

No the entire map is the same no matter where you spawn in

[eager harbor]

Uh i have 6 hrs on it now

[wispy osprey]

It really isn't difficult

[fiery garden]

tbh once you get power tower thingy it doesn't matter where you started any more

[eager harbor]

I unlocked map from hub but idk how to get one

Can u help

[sullen cloak]

Ngl you doing great tbh

[fiery garden]

you can just spread out as far and wide as you want, specially with trains

[fiery garden]

press M

[eager harbor]

I found a place with 2 iron deposits and 2 limestone and 1 copper

[fiery garden]

all the shortcuts are in the bottom right of the screen

[eager harbor]

All pure

Should I make my base there

[wispy osprey]

Is there any chance for devs to allow mouse and keyboard support on console?

Many other games have been mouse and keyboard on console for some time now

[fiery garden]

is it a new game? if so, then yes. you can move the hub whenever you want.

[wispy osprey]

I really prefer to use MkB but it isn't an option

[eager harbor]

Yes 6 hrs spent only

Will I lose hub levels???

[fiery garden]

since you have pure nodes, you should try to unlock splitters/mergers as soon as possible

no, you can dismantle the hub and rebuild it anywhere at any time and none of your progress is lost

[wispy osprey]

You don't "lose" progress

[eager harbor]

K

[fiery garden]

same for MAM and space elevator

[eager harbor]

When do I unlock map grid?

[fiery garden]

i dont understand the question

[tall plover]

Quick Question: Is there a bug with power lines? I have a pole with 3 connections, none connected to my main power system but it shows the graph for the main power system and when the main power system is offline, i cant start this one up either

[eager harbor]

Someone told me u can get a square grid in game

[fiery garden]

that's foundations

[eager harbor]

So I don’t have to suffer with placing buildings

[eager harbor]

When do I get it

[fiery garden]

very soon

[eager harbor]

Oh wait I have them

[fiery garden]

congrats

[upper gale]

The limestone there is pure too or is it normal?

[fiery garden]

if you hold ctrl when placing a foundation, it will snap to the "world grid"

[eager harbor]

Pure

[sick falcon]

yea that should be enough to get you through the game

[eager harbor]

Copper is impure

[rugged shard]

They said they will make it but don't know when, said "it will be compatible whit mouse and keyboard later on, but not at the launch"

[sick falcon]

no good, impure limestone is fine but you’ll need copper

[upper gale]

Oh I think I see where you are then. I think you're near the top left of rocky desert

[rugged shard]

Also how do you get that alien something thingy where it doubles your power or something like that, uses sloops

[eager harbor]

Yes

[fiery garden]

it's fine, you can get more copper from somewhere else

[fluid cargo]

Hi!, I'm sorry but there a bug or something with the refinery when you crafting aluminum scrap?, bc idk why the refinery stop working after create some aluminum scrap and stay on inactive state until I put again the recipe

[eager harbor]

Can u tell me where is the best spot tho?

U know where I am

[sick falcon]

“doubles”

[rugged shard]

I dunno exactly what it do, but its something whit power

Or gives little extra power, no idea, but smth whit power and people recommend it

[sick falcon]

it’s like 10% more power it’s rly not worth 10 sloops

you’d get more power by putting those sloops into your fuel generators

[rugged shard]

But how do you get it?

[eager harbor]

How do I destroy rocks and cactus?

[upper gale]

Well there is one spot on the bottom right of the rocky desert that has pure copper and iron. And normal limestone. But idk if you wanna travel that far/ if you'd be able to find it

[eager harbor]

How do I destroy rocks and cactus?

[upper gale]

I don't think you can right now

[eager harbor]

Bruh

[upper gale]

Needs nobelisks or chainsaw

[sick falcon]

alien tech tree in the mam, right side

[rugged shard]

Oh okay, is it like rlly hard to unlock it?

I'm at tier 3/4

[sick falcon]

no i think it’s soon

[rugged shard]

Okay thank you

[sullen gull]

You can do it right now if you go find some SAM

[rugged shard]

I do have sam

A chest even of it

[eager harbor]

Is there a way to place a foundation a bit higher than theone before it

[upper gale]

You can settle in that spot though if you really want. It's just for copper you'll have to head south for it a decent bit

[sick falcon]

then progress the mam tree

[rugged shard]

Alright

[sullen gull]

It should be a tree titled Alien Technology iirc

[rugged shard]

But dayum, Sam nodes look so beautiful

[eager harbor]

Is there a way to place a foundation a bit higher than theone before it

[sullen gull]

Nudge it

[eager harbor]

How

[sullen gull]

Console or PC?

[eager harbor]

Pc

[sullen gull]

Hit H

[untold plinth]

hi everyone! any tips on how much versatile framework i should get/min for phase 3?

[sullen gull]

Them pg up or dn to nudge up and down, arrow keys for the other directions

[sullen cloak]

Today learn that Dimensional Deposit is an Ender Chest but better

[upper gale]

And then page up/ page down

[eager harbor]

Ok how to make it up

[sick falcon]

time to exploit it :D

[sullen gull]

#satisfactory message

[eager harbor]

It is only moving

It won’t let me higher it

[sick falcon]

the page up and page down keys

if you don’t have those on your keyboard then rebind them

[eager harbor]

Yes it’s going away and towards me

[sick falcon]

not the up and down arrows

[eager harbor]

Oh i only have arrows

[sick falcon]

should be in the keys above the arrows

[sullen gull]

You don't have two keys that say Pg Up and Pg dn? if not,probably going to have to remap

[eager harbor]

I found ittt

[sullen gull]

Or could be a laptop and have to use FN or something 😛

[sick falcon]

if u have arrow keys u have pg up and down im pretty sure no matter what

[sullen gull]

Not always. I have a Glorius GMMK-Compact and it does not have pg up and pg dn.

[gritty sleet]

@reef basin Not sure if this will help you narrow down that "first production tab gets cloned from another tab" bug in Tools (just happened again), but I've noticed it seems to happen when Firefox has been restarted and it keeps the Tools tab unloaded until I later click into it and it actually renders Tools again. Maybe something with how the browser stores its local storage snapsnot of the tab?

[sullen gull]

But then again, it doesn't have arrows either .....

[sick falcon]

yea

[fiery garden]

2smol4me

[sick falcon]

u have a 60%

[frail chasm]

Here's a typical example of how I tie myself in knots. Sub task of radio control units which needs 10 computer, 5 crystal oscillator and aluminium casings. I have a supercomputer factory but not needing them ATM. So thought I could use the computers from there. However, just seen that all my crystal oscillator are being used for the computers manufacture. So. What do I do. Extend the oscillator factory (took an age to build 16/m so don't fancy), build a new computer factory, or should I build a dedicated rcu factory? Is need to know requirements for rcus in advance to know if rcu factory is justified. Pickles my head

[sick falcon]

tenkeyless and full keyboard have arrows and pageupdown

[sullen gull]

I have it only for carrying in my backpack so I can use it for probot programming.

[fiery garden]

very important! #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

On my desktop is a logitech G915

[green fiber]

thing is you will need both RCUs and supercomputers eventually if you arent using them elsewhere already

[fiery garden]

i have a tiny bluetooth keyboard for my raspberry pi etc, about 7 inches wide including a touch pad and it has arrow keys

though admittedly i haven't used it in years so i dont' even know if it still works

[frail chasm]

Helpful to know and highlights my issue perfectly. Is there any way I could know in advanced that I would need them both eventually?

[green fiber]

generally, with some small exceptions, every part in the game is used somewhere

Unlock a new doodad that isnt equipment? it will likely be needed down the line

[frail chasm]

From that logic, every single part should have it's own factory without relying on other factories

[green fiber]

how you do it is up to you.
generally its always worth it to have a factory making at least a little bit of some part and then once you find out that theres new parts that need that part in larger amounts, THEN you can think about either expanding or making an entire production line for some new part

[fiery garden]

but also you can completely eliminate the need for a lot of parts by choosing alt recipes deliberately with that goal in mind

[green fiber]

its easiest to start out with just expanding existing production just so you can say you at least automated that one part and have some trickling in.

[grizzled lotus]

question, I only need a pump if I'm pushing liquids up high, but far vertical distances are fine, right?

[green fiber]

far horizontal distances are fine*

[sullen gull]

I knew what they meant 😛

[fiery garden]

yes, only concern yourself with headlift, distance doesnt matter unless youre doing stupidly long pipelines

[sullen gull]

Doesn't even really matter then

[fiery garden]

i mean if it's long enough to justify using a train, then probably use a train

[sullen gull]

Just that 'initial' fill. And, if you've powered whatever is producing the fluid already, it fills as you build

[sullen gull]

If you 'really' want, you can look at the wiki to see what's produced for the space elevator ahead and formulate your own "plan".... But, if first playthrough, that can dampen the experience imo

[frail chasm]

Well quite, but I'm trying to find the Best approach. So in the scenario I outlined which is best? Extend computer production, co production or build entirely new rcu factory (given I will use scs AND rcus down the line. Feels like quantum mechanics 🤯

[green fiber]

no, quantum mechanics is ||the last tier||

[fiery garden]

my advice is if you feel the need to dismantle machines to get access to the raw materials they were using, first consider finding materials elsewhere instead so that you can continue making whatever it is you were making in addition to the new stuff

[green fiber]

the question i have is how big exactly was the supercomputer factory?
If it was big enough you can just shut down part of it for a while just so you can have RCUs being made

[sullen gull]

There is no right or wrong answer. There are MANY factors. Does one want to build mass quantities, is one trying to get the items for the space elevator as fast as possible? Or does one want to play more conservativly, one machines's worth to start sort of thing. And leave room for expanstion.

[frail chasm]

Dismantle!? You speak with forked tongue!

[fiery garden]

if already using those computers, build a whole new factory. that's my opinion anyway
if not using them, use them.

[green fiber]

if you dont have a production line for a part, then running at least one machine for it is better than no machine

because if its not production recipes then SOME building / machine will very likely need whatever new part you just unlocked to be built

[sullen gull]

W00t! I got the smash hand!!! muwhahaa

[fiery garden]

if you have a production line up and running for something, anything, even something as simple as iron plates, and you decide you don't need it any more so you dismantle it... you WILL regret it

[green fiber]

if you need to absolutely dedicate a new production line to a part is something you can consider once you have a demand for that part

[mortal ginkgo]

Real 100% alpha male men dont automate, they dont even use belts or pipes. That 50x nuclear reactor can easily be handled by carrying water manually. Yes.

[green fiber]

Good luck water chugger

[mortal ginkgo]

Thank you automator (bleh)

[green fiber]

besides: theres always the chance of unlocking an alt for a part. Hence my recommendation of "just get it going, you can scale up later"

[sullen gull]

This.... coming from the one who makes some of the better looking AUTOMATED factories here 😏

[frail chasm]

Well, I'm not using the supercomputers ATM so I could use the computers. But what about when I need svs and rcus?

[mortal ginkgo]

They are all smoke and mirrors.

[frail chasm]

Thats a good idea

[fiery garden]

at that point you will have to make a decision which will probably be to build a new computer production line

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-jim-the-office-okay-mmm-gif-17183499

[mortal ginkgo]

Hey, technically you don't see it all working. Its all just staying idle kek

[green fiber]

at the point where you just unlock computers you dont have many recipes that actually NEED computers.
theres the ACU but thats it

[fading venture]

Hi, do you know how to change the game's language? Because even though I select the option, it's still in the original language.

[sullen gull]

I mean, this is true ..... Drat! ... Foiled again! ...

[fresh umbra]

hello guys can someone tell me how to make it so snap building is toggle not hold?

[sullen gull]

Can't toggle.

[fresh umbra]

wow that sucks

[fiery garden]

why would you want to toggle. are you using controller?

[frail chasm]

Well maybe I need to follow the old advice. When you come to a fork in the road, take it.

[fresh umbra]

because i dont want to hold ctrl

[sullen gull]

Er, Wait, I think it always snaps ..

Do you have "Hold to Snap" enabled in settings?

@fresh umbra

[fiery garden]

if there is no option for it in input settings, you can request the feature at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[frail chasm]

Right. Onto doubling computer and crystal f***ing oscillators production...

[reef basin]

most likely cause of the bug is that the redirect to proper version URL happens after the tab is added, so it's:

• Tools are loaded
• check for share link in URL -> new tab is loaded
• new tab is activated
• redirect for version URL happens
• first tab is selected (as is default when loading into production Tool)

but I haven't spent much time trying to debug this

[fresh umbra]

no it wont let me do anything with the setting

[sullen gull]

Gotcha. May try asking in #satisfactory-consoles 🤷‍♂️

[fresh umbra]

im on pc

[sullen gull]

Oh. If it's not enabled, snap to buildings should always be on..

At least it seems to be that way for me...

Just aim at the side of a building and it snaps. Do it all the time with foundations to builldings.

[fresh umbra]

it wont let me toggle the setting on or off

and i have to hold ctrl

[sullen gull]

And yeah, that setting is only enabled when using controller. My bad. Still though, check the clip, is that what you're trying to do?

[fresh umbra]

i will take a clip

[wispy osprey]

How do I tame lizard doggo

[sullen gull]

Find some berries. find a doggo, throw a berry on the ground and step back. It will come eat, and be tamed.

[wispy osprey]

Cool, now I just gotta find a doggo again

Kind of a rare spawn

[sullen gull]

And, on PC, you can hold right click to split a stack

[wispy osprey]

Yes, lizard doggo rarely spawns for me

[sullen gull]

No, not really. They are all over. And, if you want a lot of them, You can find the doggo cave on the west coast.

But, they could be "rare" if you're not traveling more than 500m from your "base" 😏

[wispy osprey]

I found out yesterday on creative mode that bean bags actually have health

[sullen gull]

And ADA will scold you for murdering them 😉

[wispy osprey]

They can survive 2 nuclear blasts

[sullen gull]

Have you pet the Manta yet? 😏

[cunning lily]

I think they have 1k health?

[wispy osprey]

Which ones that?

[sullen gull]

The giant flying one in the sky 😏

Actually,,, isn't there two on the map? or just the one....

[wispy osprey]

I didn't know you could pet it, I've been on top of it before

[sullen gull]

When you're on it, look down at it's head.

@fresh umbra you have to point at the other building

[wispy osprey]

I think there's at least 3-4 of them total that fly around each corner of the map

[sullen gull]

Not at the ground.

But, doing it on the ground isn't always best. Better if everything is on a foundation.

[sullen gull]

Only two. Grass fields and Northern forest. They just do a loop

[wispy osprey]

Nice

[sullen gull]

@fresh umbra that was without holding ctrl?

[fresh umbra]

yes

[oak nymph]

On what should I put my first dimensional depot

[reef basin]

whatever you need the most

[sullen gull]

@fresh umbra do you have "Automatic Clearance Separation", under Gameplay, selected?

[oak nymph]

It cost a lot of Mercer sphere to upgrade wth

[sullen gull]

@fresh umbra that's what it is.

Go under gameplay and turn on the mentioned setting.

[fresh umbra]

no

[sullen gull]

Turn that on and it should work

[fresh umbra]

yes thank you that fixed it

[oak nymph]

It's so slow

[zealous urchin]

sati plus got me depressed

[sullen gull]

Sorry, have had that on for the last year and forgot that's what it did 😛

[sullen gull]

" I want the game harder!" ..... Installs mod.... 3 days later ..... "Ugggh, Why is this so Haaaaaard" 😛

[fresh umbra]

also guys what can i use the christmas presents for?

[sullen gull]

Look in the HUB, after it's fully upgraded, there will be an Advent Calander

[gloomy tusk]

Just completed phase 2 of space elevator

[peak plank]

I have 4 Blenders out of 14 backing up with Turbo fuel but they should all be making a total of 600 per minute, why isnt it flowing correctly ?

[sullen gull]

Though it's only active until the 17th or 18th

[sullen gull]

For plumbing questions, screen shots are best. Make a thread in #1038092680493801533 and add some shots of the setup.

[fresh umbra]

like the onboarding or level 9 hub?

[lone aurora]

im gonna kms bro these coal gens dont make any sense

[sullen gull]

The hub goes to level 6, but yes, the onboarding

[fresh umbra]

alright thanks

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[zealous urchin]

i thought there would be bunch of alts just like in the base game but no, most of stuff has like only one way to be made
and previously where u had 4 u have like 2

[lone aurora]

i kinda already did place them weirdly so i need some energy again to produce enough stuff so i can renew them and make it in a senseful order

can you check my "questions and help"

[gloomy tusk]

Are there any signs in this game

[reef onyx]

Hello

Happy new year

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch signs

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=signs

[zealous urchin]

no hover pack
no automated power
already capped at 450 power
not even automated rotor

[gloomy tusk]

4500 mw?

[peak plank]

I made a post

[zealous urchin]

450

equivalent of 15 bio burners

[gloomy tusk]

Oh

How many hours in your world

[zealous urchin]

11

[gloomy tusk]

Have you unlocked coal yet

[sick falcon]

i’m sorry does that say 2500 mw on a single nuclear plant

[zealous urchin]

nah and i wont any time soon, tbf i was crashing out on sati plus

[wispy osprey]

[wispy osprey]

Crashing out on what??

[zealous urchin]

sati plus

[wispy osprey]

What's that

[mortal ginkgo]

mod with tons of new stuff

that could make you crash out as things get complicated

[zealous urchin]

new stuff? idk
annoying tho

[wispy osprey]

Oh imagine

Console is stuck in non-modding for now

[mortal ginkgo]

I got bad news for you about that

[wispy osprey]

As in we're getting mods?

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, this game hardly needs any mods, unless you want to making circles etc ultra easy.

[mortal ginkgo]

Is that bad?

[wispy osprey]

No

[zealous urchin]

like i get now why new players have this fear of producing wrong items in wrong quantities

[true mulch]

"for now"?

Name one console game with modding support

[wispy osprey]

Elder scrolls online

[zealous urchin]

i didnt have that fear, where did it let me....

[zealous urchin]

i want my hoverpack mk2
auto flush fluids
10x power and such

[strong fiber]

Skyrim

[wispy osprey]

Also i say "for now" because I'm not sure when they'll add it

[strong fiber]

Goes hard modded fr

[true mulch]

Hmmm, cool. Now that I think about it, Factorio probably also has that. Minecraft could count, but it's awful

[wispy osprey]

Factorio isn't a console game

[strong fiber]

nope

[true mulch]

Considering the desktop version doesn't have official support, probably never

[wispy osprey]

PC only

[true mulch]

Switch is a console

[wispy osprey]

That doesn't count because Nintendo is evil

[strong fiber]

balright

[true mulch]

????

[wispy osprey]

(I'm kidding)

[mortal ginkgo]

big dawg blz, there are hoverpack mods, ways to handle byproduct and... WHY YOU NEED SO MUCH POWER OMG

[zealous urchin]

just joking
id NEVER do that to the big dawg 🌹

[ivory condor]

Starfield, baldurs gate 3, cities skyline

[strong fiber]

I think climate change is happening in my world bro why they sky turning brown

Pollution is going crazy

[strong fiber]

City skyline since when?

[mortal ginkgo]

Starfield is a Skyrim reskin, Cities Kekline is a cash grab, Balders Gate 3 is overrated. Kek

[placid comet]

Is there a blueprint maker mk3?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes

[placid comet]

Final tier?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes

[zealous urchin]

bg3 is a bad game unironicaly
overglorified dating sim
and i say that as someone who has over 1k hours, done honor multiple times and knew meta in and out

[ivory condor]

Space engineers has mod support for console

[mortal ginkgo]

ragebaiting personally before going sleep 🥱

[spare cradle]

Is there anything with iron + water at all?

[zealous urchin]

ragebait or fact
call it 😆

[sullen gull]

Pure ingot?

[white dawn]

Or just really clean iron.

[zealous urchin]

washed up iron

[sullen gull]

Leeched gives more ingots with the addition of sulfur but uses much less water.

[mortal ginkgo]

This is more like "Hugs you UwU... lol bro dont worry I am no furry and kidding... UNLESS?! ❤️ " bait

[zealous urchin]

thats not a bait bro
its unironicaly how high emotional intelligence ppl talk to each other

[mortal ginkgo]

today I learnt I am furry.. wow.. gotta process this while sleeping... U w U

[zealous urchin]

as soon as u will start dreamin ur gonna get hit with skyrim intro ure finaly awake unskipable sequence

there will be a twist tho - furrycloak rebelion

im lowkey jelaous of that dream

[heavy tide]

Hey, ,, new'' to satisfactory, progressed just to steel, wanna play with other people, someone eager?

[ivory condor]

#1201555265942724758

[heavy tide]

Thanks

[severe pewter]

I forget the first place I ever saw 'LFG'. 2Moons?

[spare cradle]

I've found 2 pure iron nodes, a pure copper node, and a pure limestone node within 100m of eachother

[sullen gull]

Rocky desert, in front of the big waterfall?

[wispy osprey]

🫳

Pet the doggo

[trim sundial]

Do i need one freight platform for every type of thing i want to load onto a train?

[hard ivy]

Need? No. Want? Probably

[sullen gull]

You "could" try to sushi it if going to the same station .... But generally, yes.

[trim sundial]

Im setting up a train to bring parts from one factory to my new ocean side factory for assembly and manufactur so my train is going to have at least 10+ cars each with a different cargo

[spare cradle]

Forest jungle place, but is close to the waterfalls

Also holy I am finding big tier stuff before I should be

[sullen gull]

Anyhow, yes, all three of those ores can benefit with being near water ... IF, you're ok with tearing down smelters and rebuilding with refineries if you aren't there yet.

[sullen gull]

Around the wrecks?

There is no "should be" imo, but there is a "before I can use them for anything other than points" 😏

[spare cradle]

I found oil

[sullen gull]

Nice, mark it on your map 🙂

[spare cradle]

I have been

And I have phase 2 underway, just exploring for now

[wispy osprey]

I wish rails showed up on the map

[fresh umbra]

hello i just finished the onboarding where is the calender