satisfactory

[real shale]

Although no truck driver actually works 9-5 so

[feral jay]

You're all wrong, the best free thing in the game is tickets from Ficsmas trees going straight to the sink

[ocean frost]

someone should make a truck simulator map in SF i would play on that server

[silk ocean]

Drones are great if you want to get a relatively low volume of materials into a remote location where you can do a round-trip fuel load, and it would be far too much of a pain to run in rail and a station, etc

[zealous urchin]

also truck drivers make money, depends whats ur cargo

[real shale]

I make money too, it's in the form of satisfaction.....like a ..... SATISFACTORY

[ocean frost]

Ficsonium Fuel Rod one way no return

[real shale]

"easiest 1 million of my life, I wonder what cargo they had me haul"

As a Geiger counter would go crazy near them

[zealous urchin]

one way u mean arnold shwarzeneger terminator or just cargo from a to b and then come back with nothing

[real shale]

They mean you'll be vaporised by the severe amount of radiation you'd be exposed to, you'd be lucky to even make it to point B in the first place

[zealous urchin]

idk bout that, never vape

[compact flicker]

On the topic of radioactive trains, can freight cars emit radiation?

[real shale]

Yes

[feral jay]

I want radiation shielded freight cars

[real shale]

Anything that stores radioactive materials emits radiation

[feral jay]

Radiation trains of death are annoying

[compact flicker]

Awh >:

[silk ocean]

Just have a mask and iodine filters in your inventory xD

[feral jay]

Yeah, sometimes I leave the iodine filters at home to make room for other stuff

[real shale]

I learned this the hard way thinking radiation wasn't an issue when it was in my inventory

[silk ocean]

A passing radioactive train isn't likely to cause problems even without those items

[feral jay]

It's very rare that a full train of uranium comes close enough to me when I'm without filters, but it's happened

[frail sleet]

You can re-use the same rail line which does most of the journeys.

Otherwise they're quite awkward, large and underpowered IMO.

[feral jay]

Trains can also have a higher throughput than belts, but realistically you can just run multiple belts to get around that

[real shale]

You could also realistically run multiple freight cars too

[frail sleet]

The only time trains have better throughput than belts is when each point on the rail line is occupied by a freight cart a good % of the time. Using many freight carts (and realistically many trains) is required already for that baseline

[feral jay]

Plus, I like trains, I've played a LOT of openTTD

[real shale]

It's criminal that I can't apply Ficsmas skins to my trains

[feral jay]

Yes. Literally unplayable.

[silk ocean]

Need to be able to add graffiti to the train cars like in RL xD

[real shale]

Like you mean to tell me DRONES got a Ficsmas skin but not trains

[lime kraken]

I hav calc. a little bit about bio generator and fuel generator with bio fuel

biogenerator
7,5MW/solid
fuel generator
8,3MW/Solid(-refinerie)=8MW/solid

did i do something wrong or is biofuel not much better but the solid once?

[real shale]

I want an excuse to name one of my trains the Polar Express

[frail sleet]

it's an extra sloop stage, so you can 2x power from that. But yes, you're not really supposed to burn liquid biofuel

it's mainly a jetpack fuel which isn't replaced well until p4-p5

[real shale]

Isn't it also used for the chainsaw?

[frail sleet]

chainsaw can't use liquid

[versed cosmos]

god that would be good

[feral jay]

I also stockpile biofuel for emergency use in backup bioburner farms

[versed cosmos]

that's what batteries are for bruh

[feral jay]

I do that too

[mystic otter]

I thought batteries were just for vehicles and the drones

[versed cosmos]

i mean power storage

[real shale]

The energy storage batteries

[feral jay]

*power storages

[lime kraken]

use it as "engine starter" for Coal generators (pumps and extractors)

[real shale]

Or for a "ah my fuel has not been entering my fuel generators" emergency jump start

[feral jay]

Batteries and power storages are not the same thing although ppl use the term "bettery" for both

Doesn't help that the damned things look like batteries

[real shale]

Tbf in grid applications, it IS mostly batteries that's used for power storage

So it's an understandable comparison

[feral jay]

I mean, technically, anything that stores power in any form can be called a battery

[real shale]

That makes the electrical engineer in me twitch

[versed cosmos]

pumping water up high is a battery!

[real shale]

NO

[mystic otter]

Lol

[feral jay]

Sort of, yeah

[versed cosmos]

😈

[feral jay]

It's just not a chemical or electrical battery

[real shale]

It's a capacitor more than anything

[feral jay]

true

[real shale]

although I guess in some senses, not in the sense that a water reservoir does not pump MVars into a grid

[ocean frost]

power storage is just a parking spot for electrons

[zealous urchin]

if u only count one scale

[versed cosmos]

actually nerdmojer can u explain the difference between batteries and capacitors?

[feral jay]

Uh oh

[real shale]

Batteries are an exclusively DC technology

[ocean frost]

we need an electick boom video

[real shale]

Capacitors are used for AC applications and store electric fields

[ocean frost]

the lack of grounding on these sky factories is alarming

[real shale]

Oh no that's another massive debate in the field too.... "Grounding" Vs "Earthing"

Oh and also capacitors are there for Reactive power control, batteries can't do that either

[mystic otter]

I never understood the appeal of building sky factories especially after one guy over in #1038092680493801533 was having sound glitches on PS5 at a certain height.

[ocean frost]

Honestly the lack of 3 phase power is alarming

[versed cosmos]

sky factories are just so visually unappealing

[real shale]

The technology that interfaces batteries to an AC system can control reactive power but not the batteries themselves unfortunately

[ocean frost]

they liked Skybase in Minecraft

[real shale]

Honestly, it could be possible the satisfactory power system is HVDC

[zealous urchin]

is capacitor having better energy conversion ratio than a battery even tho its short lived?

[mystic otter]

Just be glad they haven't introduced bad weather like lightning storms in satisfactory

[real shale]

That's a good question, in some senses yes if by energy conversion you mean it can control power flow better

[ocean frost]

we had rain one time

[real shale]

By all accounts capacitors act as ideal components in most regards and in some books they'll even say that capacitors are the angels of the big three whereby inductors are the.....devil child that no one likes

[zealous urchin]

i mean in the way that if u use chemical reactions u get less energy efficiency conversion ratio than using atomic reaction
idk what even type of reaction capacitor does use or if it is proper metric i am going by but thats why i am askin

maybe it should be how much u are getting back from storing it

[real shale]

Capacitors use electromagnetism to store charge. All it is, is two plates separated by a dielectric which causes an electric field to build up

You could consider two wires separated by air a capacitor by technicality

[versed cosmos]

Do capacitors just hold on to electrons then?

[real shale]

Yeah basically

It's why in power systems you'll see your middle phase have a higher voltage than other phases because it's sandwiched between two other phases

[versed cosmos]

And because negative charges don't want to be near each other they can accidentally discharge really fast?

[zealous urchin]

so lets say i am putting the same ammount of energy in the two, am i gonna get back more from a capacitor than a battery?

[versed cosmos]

My intuition says the capacitor because I know batteries can "lose" energy over time

Not sure what scale that happens over

[real shale]

Uhhhhhhhh, I think you'd get back more from a capacitor by right that it's a reactive component not using active power

[versed cosmos]

I suppose both are subject to entropy so they would self discharge overtime

[real shale]

Batteries are active power components so you'd lose more to heat, which while that is the case with capacitors as well, it's not so much

It's a good question, not really one I have thought about too much, but capacitors are by all right an AC component, in DC circuits you treat them as open circuit. Which is a key difference between it and a battery

It also being open circuit to DC systems also intuitively explains its use for low frequency filtering.

[versed cosmos]

Am I right here?

[real shale]

Yeah, seems right, capacitors have pretty fast discharge rates compared to batteries

Provided you don't short the battery out lol

[versed cosmos]

My dad builds computers and he's told me capacitors can do some major harm if you happen to complete a circuit

[sour ledge]

sorry for the delay but just now seeing this - powersuit seems like exactly what i was thinking of... but is broken and hasn't been updated for nearly two years 🙁

[real shale]

Yes. It is also the reason most components get damaged from water

[versed cosmos]

Oh interesting

[real shale]

It's a massive meme that people put keyboards in dishwashers but so long as you let it dry fullyand any residual charge is discharged prior, you could subject electronics to water without worry in some instances.

Not saying that I recommend doing that though, but there was an LTT video done on it

And naturally there is a limit before corrosion sets in too

[quick barn]

#screenshots message

Is that a known weird visual issue?

[feral jay]

Dunno but I have the exact same thing in the exact same spott I'm pretty sure

[versed cosmos]

yeah i've had that happen

[feral jay]

Looks pretty cool if you ask me

[quick barn]

It's why people are warned about doing repairs on old arcade cabs with crts. The caps can hurt ya bad.

[quick barn]

Good to know I'm not crazy.

[sullen gull]

It's known. There are few places on the map where textures 'bleed". I am unable to find any posts on the Q&A site atm.

[quick barn]

It's the || SAM/Quartz big cave || in the rockey desert

[silk ocean]

Tap dat location

[sullen gull]

First few pics are around the water resource well near the Blue Crater. Others are where you're at: #screenshots message

[real shale]

Okay so discord is making me go crazy, I'm seeing different things in screenshots than what's being posted and instead it's showing videos I've seen in another discord, what a crazy bug.

On my end those screenshots were appearing as memes

[quick barn]

Oh, I have been. Noticed this going back to do a cleanup and polish pass

[quick barn]

Yeah it's that moss

I'm trying to drag a train line through here because I'm silly like that

Satisfactory is basically a giant digital train set for me now

[sullen gull]

Not that silly 🙂 #math-and-meta message

[quick barn]

I dig the architecture on the inside.

I haven't spent a lot of time decorating on this console run through.

[feral jay]

I have achieved a perfectly flat power consumption graph

(if trains and sinks are turned off)

[silk ocean]

You won't like mine.... #screenshots message

[versed cosmos]

i thought sinks used constant power?

[feral jay]

Nope

[silk ocean]

They do if they are sinking constantly xD

[versed cosmos]

Happens on my grid

[feral jay]

yeah, they use either 30MW or zero

well, or 0.1MW

[versed cosmos]

I do occasionally see 30mw jumps on my grid and i go mad trying to figure out what machine is cycling on and off

[feral jay]

I put buffers in front of every sink so the factories they're attached to can still run at 100% while I shut the sinks off for troubleshooting

[versed cosmos]

clever

[feral jay]

Yeah once I got that done it was a matter of "hrm, that's an exact 30MW drop there... now what machine uses 30MW?" and then tracking them down one by one

So now from a central power control station at my base I was able to determine that there was a single constructor not producing, 2km away in my ficsmas factory

Which is pretty cool

[magic rune]

wow, this playthrough is a whole bunch of firsts for me... first time playing modded, first time using autopilot trucks, and now, first time using concrete alt recipes (the amount of concrete i need for a thing is too much limestone for even a Mk4 belt and i'm only at Mk3, but there's quartz nearby)

[hard ivy]

How is a single constructor consuming exactly 30 MW?

[feral jay]

Two different things, the sinks consume 30MW, but when I'd solved that problem there was still a constructor not hooked up in a distant location

[verbal nacelle]

Hello gamers!
Nice to meet you all.
I discovered your game in Monday’s Gamecast by the Without Parole channel.
I know how some people here feel about PSVR2 (did my Discord research), but I gotta say your game DOES look like it was thought for VR. And it looks amazing too.
Let’s just spit ball about that. 🙂

[feral jay]

There's already a pretty extensive VR mod afaik

[verbal nacelle]

PCVR yes. But probably not VRAF at all.

[coral marsh]

In regards to nuclear power, are there any significant alt recipes I should look out for? I already have a couple obtained, 1 for uranium and 1 for plutonium

[verbal nacelle]

Flat-2-VR studio does wonder on these kinds of ports to Meta and Sony’s VR headsets.

[hard ivy]

You probably want both for uranium (infused cell and fuel unit) but for plutonium it depends what you want to do with it

[coral marsh]

I got the encased plutonium recipe today, that looks mega fun

But thanks for the input

Should I make an assembler manifold for electromagnetic control rods?

[versed cosmos]

Answer's probably yes lol

How many control rods are you making?

[coral marsh]

I forgot id already made one lmao

24/min over a double layer manifold

[hot mango]

anyone got an invisible force field around them in game, if i shoot it hits the field around me 🤷

[coral marsh]

I do not

[versed cosmos]

sounds like a mod?

[hot mango]

oh, well i restarted the game and its still there, i have never used mods but this is an old save and lots of updates later its a little bit broken, must be the xmas update i guess

[hard ivy]

Have you tried moving to a different location? Some places might have hitboxes that don't match visible textures

[hot mango]

i was i a different area then came back to base area, still the same sadly, i guess for now i cant shoot anything..

[cunning pulsar]

after almost 100 hours I just learned that smart splitters have an overflow option

I really wish I had learned this sooner

[silk ocean]

Stick one at the very start of the production flow, if it backs all the way up to the start then you can overflow to sink

[cunning pulsar]

that's what I've been doing, ya

[silk ocean]

or some place else if more valuable

[versed cosmos]

I use smart splitters at the end of the chain sending stuff to storage then to sink if the storage backs up

[silk ocean]

Assuming like intermediate products... no point sinking ore, it's basically worthless

[versed cosmos]

just clock the miner down if you're making too much ore

[merry granite]

I just got satisfactory modeler on steam, Is there a way to automatically place the entire production line for X item?

[hard ivy]

No, if you want automatic, use a different calculator. Like https://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[merry granite]

just realized that satisfactory tools is made by greeny

i see that fella talking in here all the time, cool

[versed cosmos]

st is so good man

i have like 20+ recipes in here and i think im on the lower side of what the average person does

[zealous urchin]

wdym lower side

[versed cosmos]

i think the average person has more tabs than me lol

[merry granite]

i usually use satisfactory calculator

but everyone else reccomends satisfactory tools and im not sure why

[versed cosmos]

i used to is calculator but i swapped and never went back lol

i find tools easier to use and a lot nicer looking

also saves your production lines

probably the biggest benefit over calculator

[sullen gull]

Satisfactory Modeler = ❤️

[versed cosmos]

calculator is still good and has a lot of features i appreciate like interactive map

but tools i find is the better production planner

[zealous urchin]

i think modeler is for more advanced ppl tbf

[sullen gull]

At the end of the say it's just math. Not sure how it's for "advanced" people. Outside that it doesn't "auto generate" some sort of production chain.

[silk ocean]

ST is choice... quality site

[merry granite]

I use the calculator for figuring out how many resources im going to need and what buildings to place, modeller seems to be maybe more design oriented?

[sullen gull]

It's a calulater with MUCH better organizational abilities than tools imo. That's about it.

[versed cosmos]

Modeler takes a bit more knowing what you actually need to do

Tools handles a lot of that

[hard ivy]

Because SCIM's production planner is capable of making mistakes. Which no other calculator does

Plus it's incapable of calculating some recipe chains

[merry granite]

do you have evidence

[sullen gull]

What do you mean "knowing what you need to do"? You have an item to make, build it backwards with however many you want to make, and viola, exact same as tools, again, with out the "automated" parts. And, typically, when calculating, SF tools just bases everything off of "world" resources. Instead of using the amounts you want, without more "setup"

[merry granite]

it hasnt made mistakes for me and ive been using it for a good while

[versed cosmos]

Oh the thinking backwards thing is a good call

I suppose automatic calculators like tools already does that

[sullen gull]

The main issue that makes it "difficult" for some is all the hype around alts and which one is "best" and all that jazz.

[merry granite]

What if i just pick a random multiple of the production rate of a single manufacturer of the item and go with whatever resources that uses lol

[silk ocean]

I swear over half the factories around my world are nuclear support factories xD

[sullen gull]

Erm. forgive me, it's late and I should be sleeping ... but .. whaaaaat? 😛

[merry granite]

is that strange to you? a manufacturer produces i think 1.875 turbo motors? ill just make a factory for that then

[sullen gull]

I mean, if I am reading that correctly, it's what I just explained about building backwards no?

[sullen gull]

I believe you are referring to independency no?

!wikisearch independency

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[merry granite]

yeah I am

[pearl sparrow]

is there somewhere else i should ask questions or is here ok

[sullen gull]

OK, so, what about it? lol

[hard ivy]

I mean for starters its power consumption calculations are always slightly wrong

The splitter layouts it makes in realistic mode often won't work in game. And the clock speeds it sets can be wrong too

I have seen it make a mistake in simple mode too, but it is rare. It often does dumb things with recipes, like making coal out of charcoal instead of just mining it

And it cannot calculate plastic/rubber recycling or DPF

[sullen gull]

#1038092680493801533 would be "best"

[hard ivy]

That's exactly what I do

[pearl sparrow]

somehow missed that, ty :)

[merry granite]

I think I've misunderstood you or you've misunderstood me, it doesn't really matter anyways

[sullen gull]

You can also ask for help in #math-and-meta #design-and-architecture and #dedicated-servers , depnding on the nature of help required.

[radiant birch]

q43uih

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ I would start building it out like so: #screenshots message (Didn't keep going, but the idea is there)

And if I were making other items else where, I would just drag those items to the left side as an input to the outpost.

[merry granite]

I'll have to give it a bit of a better go, because it does seem somewhat fun to model it out manually, the main disadvantage being that it isnt automatically modelled

I've never felt the need to combine multiple 'outposts' though but if I did SM would be the tool for the job

I might have to start using it though specifically because ive started to get lost on my new factories where I've got a rail line for raw resources, which resources are shared between multiple factories or independent outposts, and I dont remember how many resources im receiving and how many im using at this one train station, and i want to add another factory to it

[sullen gull]

I don't feel SF tools does this well enough. With Modeler, you can share inputs and outputs with different factories (outposts) or iut even now has a setup for those who like to make full "factory" bluprints.

[hot mango]

so i worked it out, it was the xmas update and it was the xmas gift parachute that was causing my issue, i took it out of my gear, restarted the game and now its all back to normal..

[sullen gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDBiaOFU0_I a good intro primer for any who wants.

[undone citrus]

My train station looks like a casino

[grizzled lotus]

alternate iron pipes is probably the best alt recipe I found so far

[undone citrus]

Saves on coal. I like that

Cause my coal is precious

[merry granite]

yeah thats what i sort of said, satisfactory modeller seems to be the only tool for the job for this but its not everybodys use case

[real shale]

LETS GO GAMBLING

[undone citrus]

Lmao

It's because of your colour

[sullen gull]

Lol, like I said, it's late (3:20 am and have a damn tooth ache from hell) and I misread SM as SF 😛

[undone citrus]

The pink really just gives neon casino

[merry granite]

i thought so lol

[real shale]

Hit the slot machines and win some ficsit coupons

[undone citrus]

Yeah lol

[sullen gull]

PSA: for anyone who needs, if you hit Left alt as soon as the CSS logo pops up when starting the game, it seems to skip the warnings every time.

[hot mango]

i have more couons than i could spend, like im on 14686 right now 😸

[fiery pewter]

Did you buy the nut

[real shale]

Did you buy an obscure amount of coffee mugs

[sullen gull]

Did you sink one and buy the "prize" 😏

[silk ocean]

I wish all games would let you do that

[fiery pewter]

What if you sink a coffee cup

[hot mango]

no i didnt spend many coupons tbh, im kinda hoarding them 😺

[fiery pewter]

Well then

Wdym "don't have anything to spend them on"

[sullen gull]

If you have that many, you should at least buy all the building items. Shouldn't be that much

[hot mango]

i didnt say that, i just said i didnt spend much.. i did spend some then switched to hoard mode

[ocean frost]

make a coupon train that does laps of the world shoowing off your wealth

[fiery pewter]

Oop, my bad

[fiery pewter]

Intentional spelling mistake?

[hot mango]

lol i have a train, i posted a pic of my coupons screen in screen shots some days ago

[ocean frost]

I was meant to say snowing*

but my brain did a fart lol

[hot mango]

36.4 million ppm currently lmao

but it is 250 million points per voucher now

[hard ivy]

That is the max so you now have constant production

[hot mango]

yeah, its been maxxed out for a long time now 😁 i still have not maxxed out the dna points yet

[vivid eagle]

hello im new to this game

[hot mango]

welcome along..

[vivid eagle]

soo

[sullen gull]

Don't listen to the hype, screws are just fine

😏

[compact flicker]

Lmao

[vivid eagle]

why am i finding it so hard to get conrete in bulk

[ocean frost]

don't let them screw you

[magic rune]

big mood. i'm having to go for silica-concrete just to have enough

[zealous urchin]

base recipe not generous

[sullen gull]

What phase are you in?

[ocean frost]

what part of the game are u up to

[vivid eagle]

im new phase 2 lol

actually 1

[magic rune]

also... since when has the golden nut statue been one thousand ??? coulda sworn it was only 500, in my 1.0 playthrough

[hot mango]

find a pure node and make a splitter and make 3 or 6 constructors to up the amount

[zealous urchin]

inflation

[hard ivy]

Never was 500 I'm pretty sure

[sullen gull]

At some point, when you go hunting for some hard drives, you can find the Wet Concrete Alt. This one is usually the goat that most go for I believe.

[silk ocean]

Hella inflation xD

[vivid eagle]

im just grinding for the base build milestone

[compact flicker]

Initial concrete production is pretty slow, especially if you're using an impure limestone node, which put out 50% of the normal amount. Assuming you're in the plains ||there's several normal limestone nodes on the east side of the biome|| :3

[vivid eagle]

ty

[ocean frost]

Miner -> constructor -> storage box + wait.

you can also tap another node look for normal or pure

[merry granite]

Do yall really need that much concrete? ive used the same 90 concrete per minute factory for my entire save and im on phase 4

[ocean frost]

Crash sites have lots ofresources too

[sullen gull]

And, while waiting, go exploring! 😛

[hard ivy]

I usually tap like 4 limestone nodes for concrete lol

[peak wasp]

hi guys im poopy at the game

[ocean frost]

foundations?

[hard ivy]

I'm making 10x that

[ocean frost]

not all of us build on the dirt

[sullen gull]

Depends on how one builds 😛

#screenshots message

[merry granite]

I dont build on the dirt, i build on massive foundation platforms but theres enough time inbetween that for my concrete storage to just fill up again

[zealous urchin]

its the same thing as pc prices, ppl will tell you how golden nut price increased and its a painful scam but still wanna obleterate their coupon count by it

[compact flicker]

How 😭

[vivid eagle]

ok im going east i will place autominer on a pure node and then constructor, also do i place like MANY constructors to speed it up or is it not necessary

[sullen gull]

There are some who also build "pad" bluprints and slam them down quick.. That's another way to put down more than 90/min

[vivid eagle]

i found quartz is it useful at this stage

[merry granite]

the mk2 blueprint designer is pretty small, is it worth it?

cause it does take a while to place alot of foundation with zoop

[silk ocean]

1800/min of Concrete goes into my nuclear plant atm

[vivid eagle]

caterium found

[sullen gull]

I mean, placing 5x5 foundations at a time, instead of a single row of up to 10 ... 🤷‍♂️

[ocean frost]

only as many as you need check the minder and the constructor for the amount.

[sullen gull]

Collect a bit of all that and use it for research when you get the MAM

[merry granite]

yeah okay maybe ill do that then

[vivid eagle]

what in the helly is a MAM

[sullen gull]

Used for lots of research to progress.

[vivid eagle]

ok ill keep looking for limestone for now

[hot mango]

you want a mk1 miner to auto extract it

[sullen gull]

You get it when you unlock the Field Research milestone

[vivid eagle]

yes

[compact flicker]

Until you get overclocking unlocked, one constructor will handle 45 limestone/min, and placing multiple is as necessary as you feel it needs to be. I make several hundred concrete/min, but someone else in chat is making 90/min and is near the end of the game.

[vivid eagle]

found sulfur too

[merry granite]

ive just bloody realized you can package and unpackage fluids to transport more of it over train. How did i not think of that?

[tall lantern]

only more for some fluids

[zealous urchin]

blueprint 5x5 is definately worth it by being one of the biggest powerspikes in ur autoamtion potential along hoverpack, coupon milestone rush and autoamted shards

its not not hard to get like alot of jokes here and is dimensional breakpoint for fitting many machines in a tiny space for some designs

for placing just foundaitons its whatever but for placing entire box of machines its extremly strong for both the bulk and decorative detail

[sullen gull]

*gases

[tall lantern]

gases are fluids

[compact flicker]

Didn't think of it cuz it doesn't make sense :p

But yeah packaging is more storage efficient

[vivid eagle]

cant find a single node of limestone

[compact flicker]

Resource scanner :3

[merry granite]

are you using a resource scanner

[sullen gull]

Do you not have the scanner? Hold V if on PC

[vivid eagle]

ohh i forgott

does impure or pure make any difference

[sullen gull]

Only in the amount you can mine with a miner.

[merry granite]

yeah no I do use it i just didnt think to use it for basic foundation; I have 2x assembler blueprints, 4-4 smelter, 4-4 constructor, etc

[vivid eagle]

ah ok

[compact flicker]

Impure = 50%
Normal = 100%
Pure = 200%

[tall lantern]

don't forget that you have to send the empty canisters back for a perfect loop, so it's not necessarily a gain (though it can simplify things)

[sullen gull]

Impure, Normal, and Pure. Each have a different qty/min available.

[vivid eagle]

so the node will eventually run out then what

[compact flicker]

Infinite

[vivid eagle]

ok

[compact flicker]

Its just the speed at which its mined

[sullen gull]

Amount. Speed is governed by belts. Otherwise it's all per minute.

[merry granite]

In my opinion you should figure this simple stuff out on your own as you play the game octavius, its more fun that way

[sullen gull]

Though, I guess belts are an "amount per minute" as well ...

[hard ivy]

It's double for all liquids

[tall lantern]

^

[hard ivy]

You can put the canisters back onto the same train

[tall lantern]

sure you can fit twice as much on one carriage, but you need another carriage to put the empties back

[hard ivy]

You don't

[sullen gull]

How do you not? A station can only load or unload ... can't do both..... ?

[hard ivy]

Put them back into the same wagons you pulled the full ones from

[hard ivy]

2nd station

[merry granite]

what if you still have packaged liquids in that traincar

[hard ivy]

Then don't

[merry granite]

I suppose you could have a smart splitter into a sink

[hard ivy]

There's a setting to make sure there aren't

[merry granite]

how does that work

[hard ivy]

You set the train to only depart when empty

Then it won't leave until there are no full canisters in it

[merry granite]

thats cool

[vivid eagle]

alright just finished the conrete system

[fiery pewter]

I was about to say this

There's also the exact opposite where the train waits until it's full

[vivid eagle]

this game is gonna get real grindy wont it

[fiery pewter]

Yes

Well, depends actually

How much you want to do

[silk ocean]

It's not so much grindy, that would imply doing the same thing over and over, it's more varied than that

[fiery pewter]

But it will stay time-intensive

[fiery pewter]

Grindy could also mean sinking alot of time and effort to get to a Milestone no?

[hard ivy]

It's the same setting, because it's actually evaluated per wagon, not for the entire train

[silk ocean]

Well all milestones take work, but I don't consider it grindy if you're doing different things all the time, maybe just my opinion xD

[fiery pewter]

Fair enough

You're right

[silk ocean]

Rarely xD

[fiery pewter]

No, some people just don't like admitting defeat

[silk ocean]

It's grindy in the sense that overall you're kinda doing the same thing in different guises

[fiery pewter]

Yes

[silk ocean]

Find resource, build factory, build manifolds, a lot of it is repetitive work

[fiery pewter]

Yes

I just had a (possible) great build idea

A car "factory"

[silk ocean]

Cybertruck factory XD

[fiery pewter]

Basically a factory that produces rubber, plastic, fuel, and engine types all in the same place

And then some trucks and tractors for cool

[silk ocean]

It's a good idea, something I probably need soon, more turbomotors on the horizon

[fiery pewter]

Always more turbomotors

[silk ocean]

Yep 😄

[vivid eagle]

aubanesenes

[fiery pewter]

...

I didn't expect that one to roll in here

[fiery pewter]

At brain-breaking rates too

All for the funny

[coral marsh]

Anyone know the best way to off feed crude oil? Im currently trying to sink a ton of petroleum coke but its too slow even with 3 packagers, should I just set up another near my plastic so I can have more canisters?

I dont need anything other than plastic and rubber for my new factory line

[silk ocean]

Scale up the factory, or reduce production until you need it?

[coral marsh]

Couldn't hurt to actually put the effort into balance the factory lol

Guess i should stop procrastinating

[silk ocean]

Helps xD

A problem we all suffer from 😉

[hot mango]

what containers are you sinking it in?

[coral marsh]

Containers?

Oh shoot my B

[zealous urchin]

i swear one more fuel factory and im quittign for good

[coral marsh]

I meant to say residue oil, not crude.

[silk ocean]

FuelRageQuit xD

[hot mango]

oh ok i see, lol yee

[zealous urchin]

any efing fuel and plastic/rubber type shhhh

[silk ocean]

Fuel for what... power?

[zealous urchin]

mostly yea

[coral marsh]

I have roughly 100 fuel gens down, turns out, you can put 4 fuel gens in a mk2 blueprint designer, I also made a rocket fuel blueprint. Pretty sweet but the 4 blenders are wildly tightly packed

If we could teleport liquids i would 100% off feed all my heavy oil residue, fuel and turbo fuel to one major area and have it produce anything i need in one location

[silk ocean]

I guess just balance production to consumption if you're concerned, or not worry too much about the oil extractors being partially idle

[coral marsh]

Yea

[trim sundial]

I dont know what i should do. My next big task is to work in steel production, but that looks like its going to require a whole separate floor of my factory, I feel like it might be better to just explore and find as many hardrives and fill out my MAM research as much as possible before worrying about tier progression...

[coral marsh]

Its only supplying turbo motors and fused modular frames anyway

[coral marsh]

I found steel isnt that much of a bother. It isnt terrible but its not great either

Foundry's are decently easy to use and supply, if you wanna save some hassle, setup a few in one area, like maybe 1 or 2 foundrys per steel item, beams and pipes, I filled storage containers pretty quick from just one.

[silk ocean]

I usually just max overclock producers and leave them be - if they are idle some of the time they aren't really consuming power

[trim sundial]

i did find a huge flat expanse on the other side of my water source that i can build probably a long term factory but its going to mean my iron and copper are coming in from an extra like 700 meters away as well as my water/coal power

[coral marsh]

It'll require more travel, but maybe build steel closer to coal/iron nodes

[compact flicker]

I've got 800hrs of power storage, do yall think I have time to do some power plant mantinence?

[coral marsh]

No smelters required luckily so you save on some small resources

[silk ocean]

You basically could do XD

[trim sundial]

Thats my issue the only coal i have is like 1k meteres away or more, and its no where near iron (that ic an tell) ive only mapped out like 2% of my world i feel.

Thats why i think i need to build a vehicle and just spend time mapping

[coral marsh]

Oh so you're early early

[trim sundial]

Ohhhh yeah

[coral marsh]

I forget I recently hit tier 8 😅

Where's your home base

[trim sundial]

If you look at screenshots i posted my base as it is now..well as it was. I made some slight alterations when i unlocked alternatives for rotors and reinforced plate lol.

Im in the desert.

[peak wasp]

Yo yo yo

[coral marsh]

Hrmm, my base is in the starting area, green lands

[peak wasp]

Hey people

[trim sundial]

It was funny, i was asking here for tips on how to optimise my reinforced plates and rotors and as im talking about it i find recipes that completely made the ENTIRE conversation i was having with discord a moot point....like...thanks vidya game.

[coral marsh]

I know there's 2 impure coal nodes next to each other in the dune desert and a couple iron nodes near them.

Thats ages away from the other desert though

[reef basin]

make new factory for steel. No need to try to fit it in existing factory

[vivid eagle]

the moment i turn on my power grid it shuts down why

[reef basin]

you're making less than you need

[vivid eagle]

im new

[silk ocean]

Yep it's overloaded

[vivid eagle]

it was working just fine before? now it suddenly shut down

[reef basin]

then you suddenly need more than you needed before

[trim sundial]

What kind of energy are you working with? Biomass or coal?

[coral marsh]

Hey do you wanna add me on steam, we could possible multiplayer and I could help you out

[peak wasp]

[vivid eagle]

bio

[peak wasp]

[peak wasp]

What is up with the pfp

[coral marsh]

Its me in a maid outfit when I worked at kfc 3 years ago

[trim sundial]

Me personally i was able to fuel everything i needed with 3-4 biomass burners until i got to coal.

[peak wasp]

Are you serious about it or jokes

[coral marsh]

Quite serious

[peak wasp]

👀

[coral marsh]

I bought the outfit because I wanted to level up my self esteem and bodily confidence and it worked

Ive worn it around my local town a few good times and even wore it to one of the local pubs once

[zealous urchin]

bro's answer is just as seriosu as the question

[coral marsh]

It 100% worked and I still have the outfit, I love it

[peak wasp]

I wonder what the old people thought of it

[coral marsh]

Actually, the first think the older adults asked is "where you dared to do this or did you loose a bet" I replied with, "neither, I chose this"

I was praised and we had a good laugh about it.

[trim sundial]

as a fellow new player, my initial factory i could run with 4 biomass generators as long as i kept them fueled, at least until i got to coal. We have some way more experienced players here but I know that you can have one assembly line for copper ingots/plates/wire/cable/iron plates/rods/screws/iron ingots/reinforced plates/rotors using 3-4 biomass burners. Its a full time job keeping them fueled though

[peak wasp]

Dang

[coral marsh]

I got a couple jagerbombs, had some fun and then I biked back home

[peak wasp]

Low key I need a maid myself

[vivid eagle]

what milestone do i unlock first in phase 2?

[hard ivy]

coal power

[reef basin]

whichever you want, play the game yourself 😉

[coral marsh]

If youve ever seen the anime kill la kill, I own my own Senketsu and yea, i have worn that uptown, with rukia kuchiki's zanpakuto as well. Despite the fact that senketsu is a crop top with long sleeves and a short skirt, also me being a guy, I quit enjoyed it

[vivid eagle]

oh also what does object scanner do

[coral marsh]

I am sorry but this maid is taken 😅

[peak wasp]

Noooo

[coral marsh]

Scans for objects

[peak wasp]

[hard ivy]

it shows you where certain collectibles are (or rather, in which direction and how far is the nearest, up to a certain distance)

[coral marsh]

Nah but for real, you can scan for food, slugs, Mercer spheres and sloops

[coral marsh]

My Gf is fucking awesome and we've been dating since 1st week of feb this year

[trim sundial]

Man i had the hardest time keeping my coal energy going, it was a pain to get the energy flowing because my water pump kept shutting down. I then realised its because i had pumps carring water up to my coal plants so if my water pumps shut down the water stopped haha. I fought with my coal power for FOUR HOURS until i realised "Hey, lets put the coal generators on the same level as the water extractor down in the water" now i have a redundant loop....and someone just said there are 8 tiers of technology?

[hard ivy]

there are 9 tiers

[trim sundial]

Ive got along way to go.

[hard ivy]

10 if you count onboarding as a tier ig

[silk ocean]

Consider it good value for money XD

[trim sundial]

It was such a pain for power because i couldnt figure out how to keep my coal factorys self sustaining, part of my power grid always had to be hooked up to a biomass generator to give my energy production that initial "spark" but i couldnt for the life of me get it OFF the biomass life support.

[coral marsh]

The maid outfit cost me $80 btw

[silk ocean]

3 water extractors for 8 coal generators balances out perfectly

[coral marsh]

I kinda wanna build like, 50-100 coal gens in one area

[trim sundial]

Oh ,speaking of apperances and awsome stuff, how do you actually feed stuff into the awsome machine? Does it have to be belt fed? Or is there only a small list of what it will accept?

[coral marsh]

Get maybe another 7.5Gw

[coral marsh]

Belt fed, needs power, will stop on feeding if a non sinkable item enters

[silk ocean]

If you want coupons to spend at the Awesome Shop

[hard ivy]

it indeed has to be fed with a belt, and there is a small list, but it's a list of things that it can't accept. it takes the vast majority of items

[silk ocean]

The toilet takes up some of the non-accepted slack xD

[hard ivy]

some? not all?

[silk ocean]

Might be all XD

Just don't drink the groundwater lol

[trim sundial]

I must be missing something, what ive been doing is i have a "trash container" thats belt fed into my sink machine and i thought if i put stuff in teh container it would just casually feed into the sink machine but its just not...doing anything.

[silk ocean]

Is the sink powered?

[hard ivy]

the sink takes 30 MW of power

also, the belt could be clogged with an unsinkable item

[peak wasp]

That’s nice, I never had a gf

[trim sundial]

Also...who ever wrote the script for your AI assistant is a genious. My girlfriend was listening to the AI explain how to identify water as water and she almost fell out of her chair.

[trim sundial]

ill have to double check

[frail sleet]

It will only hurt bad for a few seconds, then you're dead 😄

[trim sundial]

I want to get her into satisfactory with me but she refuses. Shes like "Honey, ive seen how you nit pick our bases and how they are designed and organized in our survival games...and you want me to build a FACTORY with you? Mmmm nope, sorry hunny but your super nit pickyness and compulsion for perfection....im going to end up killing you.

[sterile blade]

I don't think Ficsit would have any problem with her actually killing you. Pioneers' bodies are cheap to make :P

[silk ocean]

Just send her off somewhere else on the map to build something her way xD

[trim sundial]

Im terrible, i will pick up a smith or forge or even a wooden box in a survival game 100 times or more in a row if nessicary until i place it juuuust right

i started building on foundations in this game like 2 days ago and thats when i discovered how amazing the snap system is here and it made me super warm and fuzzy in side.

[leaden turret]

don't use the world grid, you won't like it

[trim sundial]

World grid?

[peak wasp]

the snap point when placing a foundation

[trim sundial]

You mean when placing a foundation how it snaps to existing foundations?

[peak wasp]

no how it snaps to the terrain

[trim sundial]

I havent noticed it doing that, is it something you have to toggle ON? Like its off by default?

[peak wasp]

with snapping turn off you can place it basically where ever you want , with snapping on it will snap to the world grid

[sterile blade]

If you hold CTRL while trying to build a foundation on terrain, you can snap it to the "world grid"

[silk ocean]

World grid is good, means you're aligned if you join two foundational areas together, can't see an issue with it

[trim sundial]

It actually sounds like something i might be interested in when building in certain areas. I have a stupid question though. I see a blue line sometimes when i place something next to another structure (not the lines that show that ports are lined up) im assuming that just means the edges of the snap outline are aligned with the structure next to it yes?

[sterile blade]

@silk ocean were you interested in better lights too or am I imagining things? (It's early in the morning over here... 😅)

[silk ocean]

Yep, or aligned with an input/output if placing a splitter/merger, etc

[silk ocean]

Better lights?

[trim sundial]

I know those lines, the red/blue lines for aligned ports, this was a solid blue line.

[vivid eagle]

Just unlocked mk2 conveyors guys

[peak wasp]

machines line up

[trim sundial]

this game really is a satisfying factory game, so many QoL building mechanics that i hope games in the future take notes from

[sterile blade]

Better lighting/render of lights/using signs as lights (ie: better lights than actual lights)
Sorry, I just thought I remembered talking about it with you xD

[silk ocean]

Buildings aligned with eachother, again you can use CTRL to help snap to nearby ones

[trim sundial]

thats what i was assuming, glad i was right

[silk ocean]

Oh vague memory of something like that yea XD

[trim sundial]

OMG i need lights, where do i get lights? I dont care about spoilers lol i havent seen any lights in my tier unlocks yet

[silk ocean]

I think we were talking about using signs to provide a source of illumination, and how the graphics have changed with regard to this over time

[trim sundial]

Oh

Dreams crushed

[sterile blade]

Well, if you're still curious about the subject... This might be interesting: #screenshots message

[peak wasp]

not so great on console but seen videos on yt of pc players that look amazing

[sterile blade]

First you'll need to research the use of the Ore: ||Quartz||

[trim sundial]

You know what...come to think of it...ive been so focused on whats in the factory and exploring....i dont actually recall any night time lol

[silk ocean]

I think GI++ looks best in the first and GI+ in the 2nd xD

[silk ocean]

If you crank the graphics to Ultra/Cinematic, it does look nice yea

[silk ocean]

GI++ in the first looks ray traced

[peak wasp]

ps7 we may match lol

[trim sundial]

Im serious, i dont actually recall thinking "my factory is too dark at night" now i wonder if the desert actually has night lol. Also ive been curious..is it all ONE MAP and just different landing zones? Like can i eventually travel to where the green starting point is even if im in the desert?

[sterile blade]

How so?
BTW, it might not be immediately noticeable in picture, but the render distance of GI increases quote a lot between GI+ and GI++ too

[merry granite]

yes

[silk ocean]

Just the effect of the lighting bouncing off the surface. It's not RT, just a GI bounce presumably, but has that kinda effect I thought

[sterile blade]

Looks are very subjective in the first place anyway 😆

[silk ocean]

GI+ is pretty moody

[sterile blade]

The settings I used, too, had a lot of different options that could be used. One can pull off very different results

[fiery pewter]

I return

Whazgoingon

[sterile blade]

I'm not 100% sure that I picked the one with the same "GI mood" as the rest for that specific GI+ shot 😅
I used the stairs location to take screenshots with all different "moods" in GI+ mode and wasn't 100% sure of which one was actually "moody dark" like the others ahah

So I might have actually picked the "dark" or "bright" or "moody bright" shot (well, "dark" is most likely)

[silk ocean]

I do play in Moody Dark, but I'm sure things aren't that dark, maybe they are tbh in a similarly enclosed space

[sterile blade]

I think darker is more realistic there. It's quite the enclosed space

One could probably get better shots with a better PC too, as some details of GI are dependant on having a few frames to work with rather than... Less than 1 per second

[zenith pecan]

Lights using signs here #screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Helps yea xD

[sterile blade]

Small billboards?

[zenith pecan]

Yeah.

[silk ocean]

Switching between Dark and Bright in this case doesn't seem to make any difference XD

[zenith pecan]

Buried inside glass foundations.

[sterile blade]

BTW, we were discussing this (no billboards used!): #screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

Ahh, I remember your glowing stairs etc.

Smaller signs no longer being emissive hurt.

[sterile blade]

The factory wasn't the subject, the lighting quality was xD
You can get back the "pre-1.0" GI look, it's basically all about what size of emissive lights are ignored (so, right now, billboard are the only ones not ignored)

[silk ocean]

Yea as mentioned first sequence I thought the 3rd is best lighting-wise, albeit perhaps a little on the light side

[zenith pecan]

The small signs not projecting is why I have billboards embedded inside my tunnel walls to enforce lighting.

[sterile blade]

Something that I finally don't feel forced to adopt too, as I now have a way to see the factory "how it should be" (even if only at low FPS )

[zenith pecan]

I had to adapt due to the network being cast into pitch darkness.

[sterile blade]

If it also happens to work nicely with FicsitCam... Oh boy

[zenith pecan]

I'm in the office atm so I'm limited on footage. (Edit, I can't type well on my phone)

[sterile blade]

Ofc, I was lucky as I only had mental plans impacted :P

[zenith pecan]

Arbitrary changes screwing things up that take weeks or even months to complete do not encourage me.

[sterile blade]

Cries in nuclear sushi

[grim ridge]

What exactly means when it says i need like 12'000 water ? How does that convert to the flow in a pump ?

[zenith pecan]

Such unneeded changes is why my old save is lying in state, I just don't have the time or energy to fix it yet.

[reef basin]

you need 12000m3/min water

where does it say this?

[hard ivy]

where does it say that?

[zealous urchin]

20 pipes 40 extractors dsnt seem that bad

[grim ridge]

That seems excessive 😮 for making Nitric acid

[reef basin]

where does it say this? 🤔

[grim ridge]

In order ton recycle uranium waste

[hard ivy]

ignore the per cycle number, look at the per minute number

[zealous urchin]

always use per minute

[reef basin]

there's no per cycle number of water in nitric acid that is 12000

[grim ridge]

Oh okay got it, in the menu it says 120 per min, but when i pin it to my screen it says 12'000, that's confusing

[hard ivy]

it says 12000 nitrogen per cycle in the codex. but yeah, that's nitrogen, not water

[reef basin]

when you pin it, it doesn't use the per minute but per cycle values (and uses liters instead of m3)

[ember ridge]

who here has a nice fiscmas set up?

[grim ridge]

That makes sense, thanks !

[hard ivy]

they really need to fix the "codex displaying fluid amounts in liters" thing

[sterile blade]

How does it make sense?! 😆

[grim ridge]

It doesn't but i got it 😛

[sterile blade]

@hard ivy Are you interested in ||worse FPS|| better GI for signs too? 😏

[hard ivy]

I haven't placed a single sign in over a year so imma say that idc

and even if I use signs, it's for marking parts of a factory that need an item to be connected there

[sterile blade]

No decor? [megamind-meme.jpg]

[hard ivy]

and instead of signs, they're usually billboards on radar towers

[reef basin]

decor is inefficient

[compact flicker]

I need to just make lile 20k liquid biofuel

[zealous urchin]

door salesman

[sterile blade]

Look, I just want to see more screenshots with cool GI 😭

[vivid eagle]

why this game so grindie

[zealous urchin]

sir are u interested in our new internet services perchance?

[reef basin]

because it's factory game

though I wouldn't describe it as "grindy"

[vivid eagle]

yaar

[zealous urchin]

automation itself aint that bad, its the design and architecture thats grindy

[grim ridge]

There comes up my follow-up question... what's the best way to transport nitrogen across 1000 meters ?

[compact flicker]

Train

[reef basin]

anything that can transport nitrogen

[compact flicker]

Or pipe

Gases are cool

[zealous urchin]

probably by fluid tanks

[reef basin]

fun fact, you don't need design nor architecture 😉

[grim ridge]

Train of course, i love trains 😄

[sterile blade]

Packaging it and yeeting the packages using cyber trucks on jumpads

[vivid eagle]

why my factory so slow nig

[zealous urchin]

yea but its lowkey missing the point of this game

[reef basin]

because you didn't build enough

[vivid eagle]

😭

[compact flicker]

Sometimes I'll run pipes underground :3

[sand skiff]

I finally achieved what i wanted, too steep conveyor belt. It's soo steep, i can't climb it. Dream come true.

[vivid eagle]

this metal plate shit taking tooo longg

[reef basin]

there's no "taking too long" in factory games, there's only "production not fast enough"

(aka build more to make it faster)

[vivid eagle]

true

[zealous urchin]

water wont boil when u look at it type shhh
when u have 20/m and 2 containers then go and do smth else like work on another project and u wont know what to do with em

[vivid eagle]

is ti because im using ONE iron factory for metal plates and rods

[reef basin]

yeah, if you "steal" products from one factory to make other products, you'll have hard time

better make independent factories that don't steal your productio

[vivid eagle]

should i make 2 seperate factorys

factories*

yeah ok

[compact flicker]

Making well structured monorails is difficult -w-

This game should totally have some legally distinct Long Fall Boots

[native frost]

Total has a good video on train blueprints

[vivid eagle]

im gonna start working on the space launcher thing ive done all milestones on phase 2 except awsome shop and jump pad ones

[hard ivy]

Blade runners? Though they only reduce fall damage

[compact flicker]

I was thinkin a seperate footwear that gives 100% fall resistance

Mainly because I keep losing track of my jetpack fuel meter

[vivid eagle]

why space launcher so expensive

[zealous urchin]

parachute

[compact flicker]

Big

[vivid eagle]

what is its purpose even brurh

[hard ivy]

Unlocks tiers

[compact flicker]

Saving the puppies and kittens

[hard ivy]

So pretty important I'd say

[vivid eagle]

[vivid eagle]

no way really really actually genuienly?

[zealous urchin]

no cap

[vivid eagle]

omaigad

thats so insanely insanely crazy am i right

[hard ivy]

Didn't ADA say that already

[vivid eagle]

i heard of this game from letsgameitout

anyone else

[compact flicker]

Yep

[tall lantern]

pretty common

[compact flicker]

Watched part of the conveyor tornado video around when that vid came out, forgot about the game, then got excited when I saw it was coming to xbox

I now have almost 600 hours

[hexed current]

Hi. Has this game ever got a discount?

[tall lantern]

yes

[zealous urchin]

i would have 600hrs if i didnt have game running up while sleeping sometimes

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder that idle crafting is paying microtransactions to your energy provider

[hard ivy]

https://steamdb.info/app/526870/

[hard ivy]

As a wise man once said

what's the point of building a factory if you don't make it fast and are instead waiting?

[compact flicker]

Only overnight AFK I've done is when I needed 100k modular frames

[silk ocean]

F-F-F-F-FASTFAC™

[merry granite]

what are you really expecting people in the satisfactory discord to say lol

no dont buy it bad game

[leaden turret]

flashback to the time one of the former CMs got banned from someone's twitch stream by going on the official twitch account and saying the game was dogshit

[merry granite]

never heard about that one

[compact flicker]

Lol

Does that have anything to do with the "former" bit?

[leaden turret]

nope. all CMs who've lasted more than a year have thus far proven to be massive trolls.

[zealous urchin]

cm being community manager

?

[leaden turret]

yes

[compact flicker]

Whats a CM do exactly?

[zealous urchin]

if ure saying ur product bad ur auto fired like what do u expect

[leaden turret]

herd cats

[reef basin]

manages community

[leaden turret]

they were trolling, didn't leave cos of that

[zealous urchin]

aight

[leaden turret]

no idea if the mystery basement pooper got caught and fired either

[compact flicker]

elaborate?

[leaden turret]

at one of the previous offices there was an office party, next day they discovered someone had pooped in the basement

[compact flicker]

Ah.

[leaden turret]

May 15th, 2020 Livestream
Q&A: Please tell us a story about your biggest night out together?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlIVwoRqjVk&t=677s

[zealous urchin]

why do you have this stored for rapid retrieval

[fiery pewter]

I didn't know I needed this lore

[leaden turret]

because several years ago mods objected to me live-posting notable stuff in livestreams, so now there's a website with all the things

worst-case scenario, @void gorge found a temporal wormhole when he was trapped in the current office basement and pooped through time into the previous office basement

[fiery pewter]

Lmao what

[leaden turret]

do you have a more entertaining explanation for mystery basement poops?

[fiery pewter]

I like how some people casually ping server owners or some roles along those lines

[fiery pewter]

No

[leaden turret]

community managers are there to be pung

[south idol]

that's where they secretly keep the lizard doggos, and one got out of confinement. only one person in the office knows that they are real.

[fiery pewter]

I ping
I pinged
I pung

[hard ivy]

CMs exist to be pung

[fiery pewter]

Huh

Idk, that always seemed weird to me

[leaden turret]

veni, vidi, vici pungci

[south idol]

i ping, you ping, we all ping for iceping

[compact flicker]

CoffeeStain! Let me snap blueprints to the world grid and my life is yours!!

[leaden turret]

-# don't forget to fix world grid as a fundmental concept first

[compact flicker]

Whats wrong w/ it?

[leaden turret]

• can't redefine the origin position
• can't redefine the origin rotation

[hard ivy]

Snap a foundation first and then the blueprint to that

[compact flicker]

Yeah ik

Im building train supports rn and it'd be much faster if I could skip that step :p

[hard ivy]

you can also snap blueprints to already grid-aligned blueprints

[compact flicker]

Ik :3

[peak wasp]

check out #screenshots

[silk ocean]

That's not your bridge on the subreddit is it Vi? xD

[compact flicker]

:3c

[silk ocean]

Haha it is?

[compact flicker]

#design-and-architecture message

Posted it here too

[silk ocean]

Yea it is XD

Nice

[compact flicker]

Took me like 25 hours lol

Wait no I did an overnight afk

Like 12 hours

[silk ocean]

I can imagine, it's quite intricate

[compact flicker]

Hardest part was getting the cables to look affected by gravity

[silk ocean]

Yah

[compact flicker]

Although I did die placing the supports lol

[silk ocean]

Under walkway looks cool

[compact flicker]

Still need to make it accesible :p

[reef basin]

that I want my factories to not be on it 😄

[compact flicker]

I get very annoyed with myself when I realise I'm not on the world grid

[reef basin]

I want factories to align with terrain, not with arbitrarily picked grid

[compact flicker]

My (in progress) 1Twh battery isn't on it, but its so laggy to build I just accepted it :p

[ocean frost]

terrain is also arbitrarily

[reef basin]

that's... not the point

[shy mulch]

1.3 update - all terrain will be aligned to world grid
😛

[silk ocean]

Yeah I often forget to start on the world grid

[ocean frost]

i want to be able to place miners on a foundation grid

[shy mulch]

you can, sort of

[ocean frost]

and also water pumps

and throughput monitors

[shy mulch]

miners and water extractors... you can place a foundation and nudge it down so it's in the node or the water, then snap the miner or extractor to it

[zealous urchin]

you can align them

[shy mulch]

delete the foundation after you've placed the machine if you really want to

[sullen gull]

Or better yet, if you want foundations aligned to the miner, place a miner first, use the road barrier "trick"( Snap a road barrier to the input and then the foundation to the barrier). At this point you can nudge the foundation up or down. On most nodes, a miner will snap to a foundation that is ~4m above the node.

With water extractors, I like to use walls to align them anymore.

[glass pagoda]

Vertical splitters are a real game changer

[shy mulch]

Neat trick, I'll need to give that a try some time

[shy mulch]

They are also a bit of a headache sometimes, but lovely once you have them working reliably

[hard ivy]

I wish we had configurable cubes - so I could have input back, output top, bottom and left for example

[shy mulch]

You could probably make a series of blueprints for that

[silk ocean]

Top/bottom outputs would be cool

[shy mulch]

Use floor/wall holes

[hard ivy]

in a 4x4x4m volume?

[shy mulch]

Probably would require some extreme clipping, but technically should be possible I guess

I think 8x8x8 would be a bit more feasible

[hard ivy]

it would make large balancers with a prime factor of 3 much more compact

[silk ocean]

I can imagine xD

[spark sky]

Well. I just looked at all the videos and images on the Steam store page for Satisfactory. I don't recall all of those being there when I bought the game over a year ago, but, that's impressive. I enjoyed watching all the videos.

[silk ocean]

Extra useful if into sushi as well 😈

[feral dragon]

Is the cosmic storage depots item/min limit per storage or per item?

[hard ivy]

per uploader building

the stack size upgrade is per item type

[feral dragon]

How do you mean? So if I have two seperate building producing the same thing to seperate storage thats double the upload speed but I can't use a splittor from a single factory?

[hard ivy]

no? if you have 2 uploaders uploading the same item, it uploads twice as fast as if you had one

both upload at the same time at the rate specified in the upgrade

[feral dragon]

So you mean per uploader storage and not per uploader building?

[glass pagoda]

Hi

[hard ivy]

those are the same thing to me

[deft belfry]

feeding 2 uploaders is faster than feeding 1
if one building produces faster than the uploader speed, then splitting the belt into 2 uploaders is faster
if 1 building produces slower than 1 uploader, splitting the belt does nothing

[glass pagoda]

What do you guys think of those strange power generators that you can get in the MAM

[hard ivy]

free power
and amazing for opening drop pods

[feral dragon]

Ok (y)

[glass pagoda]

But don't they fluctuate quite a bit?

[hard ivy]

do you mean geothermal or augmenter

[glass pagoda]

Geothermal

[hard ivy]

I assumed you meant the augmenter because that's the only one of the 2 that I'd call "strange" 😆

[glass pagoda]

Both look strange

[hard ivy]

geothermal is also free power, though only 7.1 GW

they do fluctuate but that's not really an issue. it's just ugly

[silk ocean]

Geothermal is a memepower xD

[spark sky]

The Augmenter isn't a generator, though, it just enhances other generators, right?

[hard ivy]

it makes 500 MW by itself (well, 550 if you include it boosting itself)

which is why it's amazing for opening drop pods
none use more than 550 and it's quick to place and remove

[glass pagoda]

I feel like that's just a side part

[spark sky]

So, if you only have an Augmenter, no other generators, then it still makes power?

[hard ivy]

yes, 550 MW

[spark sky]

Hm...

[deft belfry]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Alien_Power_Augmenter

[hard ivy]

without any other generators on the grid: 1 - 550 2 - 1200 3 - 1950 4 - 2800 5 - 3750 6 - 4800 7 - 5950 8 - 7200 9 - 8550 10 - 10000

[silk ocean]

and then yo got no sloopz xD

[hard ivy]

no, you have 3-5 left 😃

[silk ocean]

XD

[echo hearth]

What do i do with the ficsmas gifts?

Nvm figured it out

[hard ivy]

You flush them down the toilet to make ADA happy

[silk ocean]

Some claim to have over a million gifts... that's a lot of flushing

or is it something else.. never done FICSMAS xD

[spice patio]

There was save with 1 million gifts per minute flowing into sinks.
But it was too large to be saved in the final form by then current game version.

Last succesful save took over 25 minutes.

[silk ocean]

lol

I wonder how large the save file was

[spice patio]

Limit was 2GB save before compression that got hit.

[silk ocean]

xD

[hard ivy]

Was that the save file that required 64 GB of RAM to run

[silk ocean]

kek

Ridic xD

[spice patio]

There has never been save that required 64GB of RAM.
Just that larger saves would need static SWAP config, as the auto-sizing is too slow on load.

[silk ocean]

NVME 5.0 SSD required xD

[spice patio]

So for example Taros save wouldn't load on 32GB RAM computers without manual swap config, as it needed 40+GB of RAM while loading.

[hard ivy]

Ah, yes, running a game partially off SWAP. Great idea

[spice patio]

But I did load it with 16GB of RAM.

[echo hearth]

Is the only way to get windows and other building material in the ficsit shop?

[spice patio]

Basically those large saves get so large they cannot fit into realistic RAM.
Which is reason for that very long save time for that specific FICSMAS save I mentioned too.

[spice patio]

Yes, there is only one way to unlock each specific buildable.

[echo hearth]

Ah ok, thanks. You too checkmark guy.

[silk ocean]

You can always go on a killing expedition and manufacture and sink the DNA, generates coupons quickly

[hard ivy]

Am I weird that I've never sank a DNA capsule?

I always hoard the protein

[silk ocean]

Not really, it's arguably more useful for inhalers

Just if you need some coupons quickly it's probably the best way

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure I don't need 1000 protein for inhalers

[silk ocean]

Not unless you're waging a hella war xD

Reminds me to go get some mycelia

I just wish the Bacon would regrow

[zealous urchin]

ppl put shhh on geothermal but if u want to speedrun the game they are good

[reef basin]

geothermal is fine even if not speedrunning

[silk ocean]

geothermal whelms me

Doesn't over or under... just... whelms

[hard ivy]

Challenge idea: you're not allowed to burn anything. Geothermal and Augmenters only

Maybe nuclear too, idk if it counts as burning

[shy mulch]

That would be fairly easy, bit of a challenge at phase 0, need to farm doggos to get the parts to build geothermal

[silk ocean]

If nuclear is burning anything things are going south, fast XD

[shy mulch]

yeah, nuclear is definitively not burning, but if you're allowed to do nuclear then the entire premise of the limitation is pretty moot

[silk ocean]

I think nuclear burning things is also known as the Windscale accident xD

[zealous urchin]

it burns uranium

[silk ocean]

Not like in a conventional combustion sense

[zealous urchin]

sure but it goes through it by destroying the thing it is fed

[coral marsh]

Any idea as to when the next updates coming out? Genuinely getting angsty for mk3 pipes, I cant really do much of anything except figure out where to place my uranium/plutonium (or thorium, I got the mod) production line and/or place down the remaining 121 reactors.

[zealous urchin]

i cant go with it heats up water since geothermal does the same

[coral marsh]

Wait but how are you gonna get power

Biomass BURNERS, the starting power item

[silk ocean]

Next year at some point? suitably vague answer ftw

[coral marsh]

Coal, fuel, biomass, geothermal they all burn something

[feral jay]

I wouldn't count on mk.3 pipes, it was a major challenge to work out the bugs with mk.2 pipes, at one point they were considering just lowering the max throughput of mk.2s

[zealous urchin]

lizard dogo farm to get items for geothermal

[feral jay]

Unless they already said something about mk.3 pipes?

[coral marsh]

Kinda screws over my plan then if we dont get mk3 pipes. I wont be building nearly as many reactors if we dont get them

[feral jay]

Don't count on it, the mk.2s as they are need a bunch of wacky coding to get around rounding errors at that throughput, it's the same reason we waited so long for mk.6 belts

[coral marsh]

Man, that actually sucks ass

[spark sky]

Um, geothermal doesn't burn something, but you have to put it on a gyser.

[zealous urchin]

if you could split output from mk3 overclocked miner outright mk6 belt wldnt be that needed tbf

[feral jay]

It's a limit due to the game only using 4 decimal places I think, they'd need more accuracy to model higher capacity pipes, and that would melt too many CPUs

Well unless they simplify the pipe mechanics, and they've hinted at that being a possibility

[coral marsh]

Mk2 pipes will make the 250 resctor project a lot harder

[spark sky]

Heh, simple pipe mechanics: just connect it and it works.

[coral marsh]

600³m is way less than I need, thats not even 3 reactors per pipe

[zealous urchin]

at this point theyve got nothing to loose but to improve one of the worse things in game xd

[feral jay]

I do think they fluid mechanics are a bit too realistic and there isn't enough information given to the player to troubleshoot them

[coral marsh]

The potential of mk3 pipes having 1200³m of throughput means I can have 5 reactors per pipe

[feral jay]

But now that I work with pipes very well, I like them the way they are

[reef basin]

mk3 pipes are weird wish to have, given people can't even build mk2s 😄

[coral marsh]

If we dont get mk3 pipes ill have to find a mod that adds them in. Which will go kinda against what I want again

[coral marsh]

Plastic is easy to get though

Once you unlock it that is

[zealous urchin]

spittin some fax today

[reef basin]

no, I mean that people can't build them so that they work

[feral jay]

If you add Mk.3 pipes, expect a lot of funky shit, you'll be getting a lot of rounding errors, many billions of them, and that adds up

I there a mk.3 pipe mod?

[coral marsh]

I think there is

[silk ocean]

Just use 2 x Mk.2 pipes

[coral marsh]

But I dont want mods that aid in direct machine production, I only use mods that add a nice QoL like the infinite zoop, 25 extra inv slots and the extra mk blade runners

[reef basin]

pipes in general in this game do some "weird" things that are rooted in how the fluid dynamics are implemented.

These weird things are worse the more throughput the pipe has, hence why mk2s are harder to build with thank mk1s. mk3s would basically make it so that your fluid never does what you want 😄

[short root]

But infinite zoop is in the main game it's not I meant infinite nudge, sorry my bad

[coral marsh]

That'd be way more pipes than I was willing to deal with

[zealous urchin]

they arent close to realistic man
it would take a whole rework to add thing like pressure
fluid is half done in that regard
dont get me wrong, i like how its more sophisticates than belts and enjoy watching weird numbers go around in pipes but they cause so much issues sometimes

[silk ocean]

Do you even need extra inventory slots with the DD, mine is barely half full at any given time

[feral jay]

If they go that route it would be far, far simpler to simply reduce the fluid requirements across the board so everything just needs less liquid

[coral marsh]

I must've missed it then, oh well too late

[reef basin]

I mean you want to build reactors on top of the ocean anyway, so it doesn't matter if it's mk2 or even mk1, you still just build extractors directly in front of the reactos

[feral jay]

No, they're not close to realistic, but they're still too realistic lol

[short root]

Oh no I was wrong I meant infinite nudge

[spark sky]

Is there anything that outputs more than what a mk2 pipe can handle? If so, then a mk3 pipe would be necessary to have something to split into 2 mk2 pipes. But, pipes don't split like conveyor belts, so...

[reef basin]

no, there's not afaik

[silk ocean]

Nothing even gets close individually

[zealous urchin]

oh okay yea i do agree xD

[coral marsh]

Mk1 is only 1 reactor per pipe, mk2 is 2.5, mk3 would be straight up 5 full reactors per pipe

[reef basin]

and? you're still hooking the pipe for only few meters between extractor and reactor

E E E E E
+-+-+-+-+
  R   R 

[feral jay]

Limiting to mk.2 pipes does force players to build nuclear farms over water, which is realistic at least

[coral marsh]

Kinda? I have the screenshots of where the pipes are going, but I may switch them around so theyre even/equal to each side

[feral jay]

Every nuke plant everywhere is near water

[reef basin]

the "I want bigger pipes" issue only comes up if you're moving the water elsewhere, which is basically a you issue

[zealous urchin]

depends man, some items like concrete are nice to have in bulk but u can circumvent that with more depos getting more of it per minute so

[silk ocean]

Yea just spin up more depots

[reef basin]

no, extra inventory is a trap

[coral marsh]

I got mine on a 96x28 standard foundation but I will likely need a little more width to fit 10 on yhe opposite side

[feral jay]

I use a bit of extra inventory, I've got three slots in the depot now

[coral marsh]

My mate is gonna help me with the production of uranium/plutonium and thorium anyway, so if we dont get mk3 pipes then ill just settle for 2 reactors per pipe.

Il hate it

[reef basin]

2 reactors per pipe, 5 extractors per pipe, easy "blueprint"

[coral marsh]

But ill settle

I posted in #screenshots, scroll up a bit and see what im working with

[feral jay]

Last time I built a large nuke farm I used the bigger blueprint mod to stamp them out quicker

[zealous urchin]

extra depo inventory is a factor for lazy boxfeeding

[reef basin]

yeah as I said, it's self-inflicted issue, if you're not gonna put the extractors directly in front of the plants

[feral jay]

Once I'd solved the initial layout and placement problem, stamping it out another fifty times was just... not fun

[reef basin]

^ this approach is just super easy and works even with mk1 pipes

[zealous urchin]

megaprinter

[coral marsh]

The extractors are going in the most immediate area in, in what would technically be, behind the first row of 20 reactors, on the path I made as you walk towards them from the cave exit/entrance. The production line is gonna go round to the right up the side and then to the back of the farther most reactors

[reef basin]

yeah I see it... but it's still your choice to do it this way

(which is my point - there are easier ways that will work nicely with tools we have, you're actively choosing to not do those, hence why the game is not cooperating 😛 )

[zealous urchin]

i admire the diplomatic approach ngl

[coral marsh]

Honestly didnt plan on using any mods at all, but infinite zoop was begging for me and then I saw the blade runner mod

[coral marsh]

Who me?

[real shale]

Power

[short root]

I have never modded the game ever in 600 hours playtime.

It is possible.

[coral marsh]

I just dont wanna use any type of mod that assists in machines

[feral jay]

I use a few mods, but all of them are just UI enhancements

[real shale]

Is this where you preface that with that you've never completed the game in 600 hours playtime because it's too addicting?

[short root]

I completed it twice but its so much fun that I don't want to divert from the intended gameplay.

[zealous urchin]

modded is just better

[reef basin]

then don't, and build the extractors in front of reactors 😉

[real shale]

I have exactly one mod on my game and it's the cartograph one

[short root]

It's totally fine to mod the game imo, but the base game without any mods is also very fine, and I prefer the vanilla experience, personally.

[zealous urchin]

satisfactory plus is just good if u want to reexperiance the game
and other mods are quality of life changes that improve user experience
no downside whats so ever
u dont need to install game breaking mods that make it too easy

[coral marsh]

The interactive map website needs to be a part of the base game. I will never understand why an interactive map isnt part of a base game, genshin impact has the exact same problem and we the payers suffer immensely because of it

[short root]

There are cool mods but they take away some of the challenges.

[feral jay]

I guess my most used mods are Efficiency Checker, Construction Preferences, and Just Pause

[zealous urchin]

i wldnt say i ever suffered bcs i had opened scim while playing or sketching a plan

[brazen cove]

so i have 10 assemblers, i need them for making smart plating. how do i make them work efficiency?

[short root]

External tools are no mods imo, as is also not the wiki.

But savegame editing I personally see as modding. Not viewing tho.

[compact flicker]

I think 10 assemblers making smart plating may be a little much

[zealous urchin]

some are sure but not all of em

[short root]

True, some even increase the challenge...

[hard ivy]

More than 0 is a little too much imo

[spark sky]

I'm only tempted to do savegame editing to recover a doggo that fell through the map.

[silk ocean]

I think all of mine are powered off XD

[zealous urchin]

automating space parts is a vibe tho

[short root]

I have these two crates at 0,0,0 position below the map and I can't reach them. It's not that I also was tempted to do savegame editing, but I did not because I had a slight fear that I may cause crashes in the future.
Even loading and saving the file changed the size, so something is not 1-to-1.

[brazen cove]

how much do you recommend then? also even if there is going to be only 5 assemblers, how do i make resources go to them more efficient?

[abstract heron]

<@&370483737957236737> is there a video this friday before u peeps go on holidays?

[feral jay]

Actually, speaking of mods, is there a container alarm mod that would let me set alarms on container inventory levels? Would be nice to set up a few low inventory alerts

[spice patio]

AFAIK CSS is already on vacation.

[hard ivy]

What do you even mean by "efficient"

[compact flicker]

Specifically for smart plating, I wouldn't worry about mass producing it at all until you need it. Project parts aren't needed in any capacity other than space elevator bits.

Im also not entirely sure what you mean when asking how to make it more efficient

[hard ivy]

Any method of item transportation is equally efficient as long as it has enough throughput

And you'd be hard pressed to throughput limit a handful of smart plating assemblers

[brazen cove]

so basically i have 5 assemblers, they are making me rotors, but my screws aren't quick enough for assemblers to always work

[spark sky]

Well, I don't know how much you have built up, but anything you're manufacturing that gets processed between loading and saving might have an affect on file size.

[brazen cove]

do you recommend underclocking them then?

[spark sky]

Then again, are we talking about a few bytes or a major file size change?

[whole drum]

This just means you aren't producing enough screws

[brazen cove]

i do. but they are just not going fast enough

[whole drum]

Depending on how under-fed the machines are, it might be better to just run 4 assemblers

[whole drum]

You may need better belts then

[short root]

I have to retry, wait for it.

[brazen cove]

yes that's why i'm doing all that, i cannot get mk4 belts on stage 2

[hard ivy]

Then that's not an issue with the smart plating assemblers, is it?

If we're talking about feeding screws to rotors, you should probably give each rotor assembler its own screws constructor (or multiple). So they're connected to that assembler and that assembler only

[hard ivy]

Then you need faster or more belts

[spark sky]

I think I resist the file editing because I have to upload the save file to a website, do the editing there, then download the file and put it back in the game.

[brazen cove]

should i just underclock my machines?

[short root]

Original file of my current world has 7708 KB and loading in SCIM and saving makes it 7710 KB.

[hard ivy]

If you know how to decode it, you could do it locally on your PC

[spark sky]

It might be different if it were an editing tool that I downloaded and used locally.

[hard ivy]

That isn't gonna make them produce more

[spice patio]

Completely separate save code, so tiny changes are to be expected.

[feral jay]

Once you've got the process down it's not too annoying

[brazen cove]

yeah that's right

[short root]

afaik the savegame editing is a client-side thing, JS only
also the source code is open source

[spark sky]

HEX Editor?

[spice patio]

Compressed in chunks, so not really.

[feral jay]

I did have the strangest problem with SCIM a few days ago, a select few belts were randomly upgraded to Mk.5 or 6 for no reason

[spice patio]

Would need to uncompress first, and it isn't standard file compression algorithm.
And at that point it is just text, so hex editor isn't needed.

[hard ivy]

Other than the first few lines, nothing is encoded in any standard way that I could find

[short root]

its using zlib internally but on a binary data format

[spark sky]

Are there instructions for this somewhere?

[spice patio]

And point was that chunked compression, not as single stream.

[short root]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Save_files

[spice patio]

The compression algorithm is standard, but it is basically bunch of separate files/chunks in one file.

So "standard" zlib utilities don't help in uncompression/compression.

You need to determine the chunk limits, and uncompress each separately, with the standard tools.

[silk ocean]

That's a refreshingly detailed page for save files

[short root]

At the bottom there are also linked four open source implementations. It's nice.

[feral jay]

I was looking for a save file decompressor yesterday, I'd identified a sink that was hooked up to the wrong circuit by ID but I didn't know where it was, all I knew was it was Build_RecourceSink_C_2146247755, and it was 1887m away

[spice patio]

Only the SCIM is up to date.

[silk ocean]

Yea very nice

[spice patio]

Ah, sorry, seems there are now again others in works.

For long time every other project was dead.

[whole drum]

This is the correct advice

[brazen cove]

oh yea i'm stupid, why did i even put all my screws on 1 belt

[silk ocean]

Surely it should be Rivets really xD

[whole drum]

As a general rule, large quantity items like screws and wires should be made on-demand for the machines that need them

[spark sky]

So, save file editing locally sounds at least as complicated as trying to recover files with a scientific calculator and a HEX editor on a FAT 9 (MS-DOS) file system where the FAT entries were zeroed, but you have the file length and starting location information still in the directory. (Yes, I did that, once. 2 weeks to recover 19 files that I never looked at afterward.)