satisfactory

[reef basin]

but they also need 240% of fuel

[elfin cradle]

yup

[silk ocean]

Oh it's a factor of 2.4, didn't know that xD

[reef basin]

well 240% is equal to multiplying by 2.4

[silk ocean]

For some reason I assumed it was 2.5

[reef basin]

2.5 is for 250% 🙂

[elfin cradle]

fuel gen at 240% consumes 10 rocket fuel per min, hence the number

calc comes out neat

[silk ocean]

Makes sense

[reef basin]

I mean it's the same as clocking all to 250% and then one to the remaining %

[silk ocean]

Missed the note about specifically clocking to 240% xD

[fervent veldt]

searching for a bf dms open

[silk ocean]

A what

[zenith fractal]

buffer for fluids

obviously, liquids in satisfactory can be such a headache

[silk ocean]

Totes need an industrial fluid buffer

[ornate saffron]

bi-directional Fluid

?

[silk ocean]

Bloody Fast (drone)

[zenith fractal]

bio farmer

someone has to collect the leaves for the burners

[silk ocean]

50 stacks per hour

[reef basin]

especially if you use buffers

[silk ocean]

They're useful in some circumstances - e.g. extracting from a station to cover downtime when trains unloading

[reef basin]

that's like the only circumstance 😄

[silk ocean]

xD

It's something

[zenith fractal]

tbf it is a common circumstance if you like pain enough to use the fluid trains

[silk ocean]

I have a fair few around the world

[zenith fractal]

doug....

[native tapir]

Yes?

[silk ocean]

is typing...

[native tapir]

I was going to say

[zenith fractal]

how are you?

[silk ocean]

Hey Doug 🙂

[native tapir]

To be fair, nothing is better than just a conveyor belt. Everything is bottlenecked by a pipe or conveyor either way

[dense violet]

they aren't difficult if you know how to buffer them

[native tapir]

Doing great. I found a new home. I am dougposting trackmania now in my free time that I'm finding in between making obstacle course towers and caring for my toddler

[zenith fractal]

great

[native tapir]

How are you?

[zenith fractal]

nice to hear, I am well myself.

[native tapir]

And the corporate ladder event is going well too

Can't really post here in November without shilling it once right?

"once"

[zenith fractal]

right

[silk ocean]

At least 16 times seems reasonable XD

[native tapir]

It's a passion project. If the event was making anyone money then I would never be able to shill it with a clear conscience. Besides I would never work this hard at a real paying job

[silk ocean]

Might be considered "spammy" if you hit about 197 times but heck I'm sure we all got an open mind here xD

[native tapir]

I'm at my real paying job right now and look what I'm doing

[native tapir]

I don't know. You should see some of the DMs I got from my original Doug posts 😂

[silk ocean]

Climbing the Corporate Ladder both in-game and RL

[native tapir]

Also I'm a little surprised at how many people are coming from the trackmania Community compared to these satisfactory community

[clear aspen]

Yo will console port be cross play between pc and console? I feel like this is a stupid question

[native tapir]

No.

[zenith fractal]

there sadly is no crossplay

[native tapir]

There is cross play between Xbox and Playstation. But not between console and PC

[leaden turret]

that also means no crossplay between the asus xbox thingy and xboxes and ps5s because it's not an xbox

[humble cobalt]

I can't wait for it to be on console

[reef basin]

spoiler: you can

[silk ocean]

Plot twist: you have to xD

[reef basin]

spoiler: you don't have to

😛

[silk ocean]

Plot diversion: you can do

[shy mulch]

Plot inversion: there is no spoon

[civic shale]

Is there alr a time for the Release tmrw?

[silk ocean]

Plot inversion: Tomorrow will launch Unsatisfactory

[shy mulch]

look at the store you are planning on buying it from, that will tell you

[reef basin]

check #announcements lol

first place to look at, always

[civic shale]

Thx

[silk ocean]

Dentist visit in an hour... <tooth flossing intensifies>

[narrow delta]

Is the game coming out at midnight ?

[silk ocean]

#announcements

[hard ivy]

#announcements

[reef basin]

look 5 messages above

[silk ocean]

Can we get a 3rd announcements link please, 3's a charm

[narrow delta]

2pm cet is what time ?

[silk ocean]

1300 UTC

[narrow delta]

Idk what 13 UTC is either

[silk ocean]

just google what is 1300 UTC in my time

[leaden turret]

goes and edits

[hard ivy]

... 2 pm CET is 2 pm CET. CET is a timezone

[narrow delta]

But what is the french hour ?

[silk ocean]

1400 France

[spice patio]

CET is UTC+1.

[worldly pelican]

<t:1762261200:F>

[lofty eagle]

10:00 Brasilia

[narrow delta]

Nice thanks you very much

[leaden turret]

<t:1762261200:R>

[narrow delta]

Be waiting for this game for years

[silk ocean]

1400 French time tomorrow. All nets. All channels. Would you like to know more?

[reef basin]

it's been out for years

[narrow delta]

Not on Xbox

[reef basin]

yeah, buy a PC 😄

[narrow delta]

I'm poor

[lofty eagle]

Give him the money

[reef basin]

get money 😛

[narrow delta]

I see you got everything planned out

[silk ocean]

You can build a mid range PC for not a huge amount more than a PS Pro

[reef basin]

^

[lofty eagle]

How much for ps5 pro on France?

[worldly pelican]

or you already own a Console and just have to wait

[reef basin]

PSA: Console release

Date? Time?
#announcements (feel free to convert to your own timezone)

Crossplay?
Between consoles yes, between PC and console no.

Download ahead of time?
No.

[limpid cairn]

isnt it even less than a ps5 ?

[worldly pelican]

same like some PC players need to wait fro console games to be released on PC 😉

[narrow delta]

No GTA 6 for them

[silk ocean]

Yea I'm sure we wait more often than you guys do

[hard ivy]

Console exclusives are nonexistent to me. Even if they become former exclusives

[limpid cairn]

gta 6 is a made up game by the government so we dont get depression

[narrow delta]

GTA 6 is the only think making me keeping up

[silk ocean]

There will be GTA 6 on PC I imagine, just the usual Rockstar delay

i.e. 1-2 years xD

[worldly pelican]

!consolerelease

[raven axle]

The Console Version will be released on: <t:1762261200:F>
More information will be found in #announcements
Will it allow crossplay?
Between consoles: yes, between PC and console: no.

Can we download ahead of time?
No.

[narrow delta]

GTA 5 still hold up on next gen

GTA 4 is shit

[worldly pelican]

Please keep this channel for Satisfactory related discussions 🙂

[narrow delta]

Ok

[leaden turret]

gta online not being on-topic because that's a PVP game and CSS devs only do their PVP in non-PVP games

[silk ocean]

Like whoops that constructor just fell off the cliff onto you? xD

[narrow delta]

The solo mmo dlc in goat simulator ....

[whole drum]

If you want PvP, hit the Steam discussion forums

[leaden turret]

Pipe vs. Pipe

[silk ocean]

If you want PvP, hit Reddit. lool

[worldly pelican]

Pioneer vs. Pioneer.
Thats just this channel 😉

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758

[whole drum]

True, but that also has an entrace fee of "your dignity"

[silk ocean]

You have to have a thick skin xD

[warm pendant]

omygad i just realize how hard it is to build train tracks without flying....

[silk ocean]

A lot harder XD

[whole drum]

And in the time it takes most people to set up a train, I could set up 4 belts

[reef basin]

it's pretty easy imo

[silk ocean]

Takes a while to set up but then just dispatching any number of additional trains is easy

[whole drum]

Yeah, trains have their place, but I just find them hard to justify

[silk ocean]

Just hook up the stations and send it

[whole drum]

Nothing more reliable than a belt

[silk ocean]

Can't say my trains have let me down

And there's about 65 of them on the network now

Some intersections are getting a little busy, sometimes a bit of a queue XD

[leaden turret]

belts:

• best way to transport items
• best way to hold up pants

[silk ocean]

Would you say that shoulder straps might be better

[whole drum]

No

[silk ocean]

You could still pull pants down with a belt, not with shoulder straps

[whole drum]

Straps also potentially interfere with other clothing types

[zenith pecan]

I built them before just because they look cool, though most of my logistics is handled with immense belts running through underground tunnels.

[rustic pier]

Portals!

[silk ocean]

You have to be a bit of a loon to build a belt(s) all the way across the map XD

[rustic pier]

So far only one. Does anybody else put a power switch on it?

[whole drum]

Once you can hover, it's easy

You just put on music, turn brain off, and start belts

[rustic pier]

I would like powered belts that you can start/stop.. and reverse..

Or at least chainable.. to do so off grid

[silk ocean]

Should increase the map size to 300km^2 and then the belters will be sobbing

[dense violet]

the game is built around constant production?...

[rustic pier]

Well.. if you have a loop of items and get something in the loop that shouldnt be.. also i wish they would fix the splitters to not load like 8-10 items when you have it on stop..

[whole drum]

I can't think of a genuine use case for reverse belts

[silk ocean]

Belters will hit the object limit just from all the belts XD

[leaden turret]

inside out pants

[leaden turret]

pedestrian travel

[whole drum]

I mean, airports do this, but they just put another belt going the other way

[rustic pier]

I ended up putting in smart splitters to prevent blockage.. but would be nice if you dont do that initially lol instead of having to just delete the input belt/lift

[zenith pecan]

Not really, just patient/unhurried #satisfactory-experimental message

[whole drum]

The Overflow function of Smart Splitters is wildly underrated

[dense violet]

you kinda have to use it everywhere you put a smart splitter. Not very many situations where you don't overflow

on at least one port

[rustic pier]

Yeah i have set the splitter to that item and then Overflow.

[whole drum]

See, I mostly agree with you, but so many times I see people asking for help that is easily solved with just this

[mental viper]

Anyone know what time satisfactory releases to ps5 in Australia? It only says the 4th of November (it is currently 12:27am on the 4th of November)

[dense violet]

people just don't think that about 'any undefined' is all. Don't understand it

and then it breaks when they use it

[reef basin]

#satisfactory message

[rustic pier]

My issue is that it kills the flow when the machine is full. Doesnt work if you have machines in tandem xD

[whole drum]

I mean, that one has its place too, very useful, but Overflow is my fav because it means that even parts that should filter out can escape--preventing blockages--if something happens to their lines.

[dense violet]

any undefined doesn't work because if you're shifting 1 item to a machine, when that machine is full that item will clog the system if you use 'undefined' on the other output

[mental viper]

Thanks guys

[rustic pier]

Yea, i use undefined on the programmables when im splitting stuff off, but not on just smart ones

[whole drum]

I can't wait for the console release... so people can stop asking "When is the console release?"

[reef basin]

seems bot can't do timestamped thingy?

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> PS1 demake, when?

[whole drum]

lol

[dense violet]

that would still clog things up unless you also added over flow to the undefined output

[worldly pelican]

just wondering

[whole drum]

You mean like they did to FF7?

[rustic pier]

Yup. Lol but usually where i have it in the line i have a controlled specific items that its handling

[worldly pelican]

nah, it was a wrong copy paste

!consolerelease

[raven axle]

The Console Version will be released on: <t:1762261200:F>
More information will be found in #announcements

Will it allow crossplay?
Between consoles: yes, between PC and console: no.

Can we download ahead of time?
No.

[worldly pelican]

now it works

[zenith pecan]

I've seen that, in the end I found overflow to be vastly superior.

[dense violet]

well yeah, overflow just overides the 'undefined' bit essentially. Covers what it does + more

[whole drum]

Okay, that bot spam too intense. Need to block until after release, lol

[still goblet]

It's tomorrow. Satisfactory on PS5 🙂 🙂 🙂

[spice patio]

But has annoying three item First-In, Never-Out buffer.

[dense violet]

doesn't that happen with both SS and PS?

[whole drum]

Set the bot up to an announcement page so that any time someone asks when the release happens, they get moved to that announcement and their question auto-deleted.

[dense violet]

I've never built a thing that cared about the internal buffers for splitters so, eh? maybe it's an issue for like single input sushi ?

[whole drum]

I have only had this problem when I set up the filters wrong

[zenith pecan]

I tried single input sushi exactly once, ended about as well as you could expect, I stick with conventional sushi 😄

[rustic pier]

I have the issue when i change inputs in a container for a machine. I use smart splitters to stop the flow of items.

I do alot of manual crap xD

[dense violet]

that's very odd i nthis game

[dense violet]

sushi load balancing could be interesting?

[rustic pier]

Im a control freak lol

[whole drum]

Get out of my head!

[dense violet]

you can absolutely control things with automation >.>

[rustic pier]

Thats how i do my incoming materials from a train to my monstrosity of a production floor

[dense violet]

if you do try sushi LB apparently you need the output belts on the Prog splitter to be a higher mk than the input belt

[spice patio]

Related to that Overflow setting.
It keeps first three items that "output" would have outputted in buffer, indefinetely, just sometimes randomly switching one of them with new item.
Trying to get them to go into one of the "actual" outputs.

[zenith pecan]

I found out to my cost if there is an up stream issue, the single input system hard locks quite nicely and it is a perfect pain to unjam, better for me to just use two or more smart splitters on the single belt.

[dense violet]

weird

[rustic pier]

Everything is t6. 🤣

[silk ocean]

========S=U=S=H=I========

[whole drum]

I was thinking all the input belts needed to be same tier with output belt being able to hold the total capacity

[dense violet]

my understanding if you want to use a Prog to properly Load balance sushi you need to have ot go to a faster belt :\

[dense violet]

not what I've been told by someone experienced in it

[spice patio]

Good idea in theory, to not send stuff to overflow in small processing blibs.
But should be FIFO, not that hold-forever.

[whole drum]

I'm just hypothesizing

[dense violet]

fair, I'm jsut relating somethign someone experienced in it has said

not sure why you need the higher tier belt

[rustic pier]

I cant go any faster! Lol i have one off shoot into a series of containers and then i have items kick off to a secondary storage area if the main is full.

[dense violet]

but apparently it doesn't work properly if not

[dense violet]

break it into 2x mk5 belts first

[whole drum]

I think it's because of the input:feed speed

[dense violet]

then load balance it

[dense violet]

maybe the alternating round robin yeah?

[whole drum]

Ya

At least, in my head that makes sense

[rustic pier]

Yup i have two lines lol my biggest hang up is when it combines.. i need to wipe the storage out and rebuild..

Two lines from each train depo merging into one line and then that line merges into another

Its a but of a cluster honestly

[dense violet]

anyway sleep time, gn

[whole drum]

🫡

[rustic pier]

Ive just been adding onto this setup. It needs an overhaul lol.

[whole drum]

I've felt for awhile that Grasslands was the worst start, but hadn't settled on what I thought was best. I think now, not being a newb, it's probably the Northern Forest. I do like both desert starts quite a bit tho.

[peak wasp]

This still feels so weird

[rustic pier]

I built my insanity on the plateau at the middlish south west. To the south east of the rocky desert

[peak wasp]

How did coffee stain go from goat simulator to satisfactory….

[zenith pecan]

I'm not very keen on the grasslands starter area, makes for a reasonable place to put nuclear power once you have fuel routed but it in general feels lacking.

[whole drum]

They decided they wanted to make good games.

[peak wasp]

Hey goat simulator was good!

[whole drum]

😄

I jest. Never played it, lol.

[peak wasp]

Lowk im loving satisfactory tho but i took a break because i think I got bored of being stuck for a bit

[whole drum]

You talking where that ||SAM lake|| is?

Or further south?

[rustic pier]

Yeah. Using that node for my converters for production in that area too.

[whole drum]

Yeah, it's a very good spot

[spiral ridge]

Very exited for PS5 release tomorrow😀

[rustic pier]

I think its pretty. And theres a geo point there too 😆

[whole drum]

Idk, you don't seem very entranced.

[spiral ridge]

I'm very.
Got the game on PC but its getting old and cant run the game probably any more😐

[whole drum]

Oh, it was a top tier dad joke

[rustic pier]

The spot i have my main hub lags when i build a bit due to the outline boxes xD i think

[whole drum]

You meant "excited," but left out the C, so it looks like exit-ed.

[spiral ridge]

Ahh
I'm Danish so English is not my first language so there is probably a lot of spelling errors😀

[whole drum]

All good

It was a pun about being entrance-d, but "entranced" means like "obsessed, focused, bewitched," etc

[charred sandal]

I currently have a turbofuel power plant fully utilizing 600 comp coal w diluted fuel...

Is it worth figuring out rocket fuel or is it better to skip straight to nuclear. Opinions?

(I realize I should've just skipped turbofuel )

[shrewd palm]

shouldve skipped turbo and then gone to rocket probably

[reef basin]

my opinion is that it's better to skip turbofuel straight to nuclear

[shrewd palm]

nuclear has way more potential compared to rocket fuel but its a lot more complicated

[reef basin]

but everyone's opinions differ about this, and as with most other things in the game, your opinion is always the best for you

[whole drum]

Oil is my fav resource in the game because it's the one that gives you the most agency

[fiery pewter]

Happen to be American too lol?
-# no offense

I like oil for all the funny colors

With the pipes and such

But my HOR pipes are always a bit too magenta

[charred sandal]

Will be time to figure out nuclear later i suppose

[fiery pewter]

Yeag

Maybe there should be another (hidden) way of getting rid of Plutonium Waste other than Ficsonium and storage bins

[zenith fractal]

i like the clicking of the geiger counter when I am near the funny rocks

[shrewd palm]

me when awesome sink

[whole drum]

No offense taken. It was funny. 🙂

[fiery pewter]

Nice

[zenith fractal]

they specified waste

[shrewd palm]

i cannot read

[zenith fractal]

it happens

[fiery pewter]

Lol

[fiery pewter]

"They"

Is that a raccoon I see

[zenith fractal]

raccoon

[hard ivy]

There are 2 already

[fiery pewter]

Which I named

[hard ivy]

2 more than those

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, not using plutonium full rods too

But what else

[hard ivy]

Doggos and toilet

[fiery pewter]

Toilet is one at a time lol

[zenith fractal]

hear me out, waste turns into a new resource: purified plutonium which can go into a more efficient ficsonium thhing or you can make even bigger nukes.

[whole drum]

As it should be

[fiery pewter]

Is this Josh in disguise?

Oh damn

[hard ivy]

They should add DU ammo for the rifle. Would be a nice very endgame upgrade

[fiery pewter]

Meant to reply to this

[zenith fractal]

true

[shrewd palm]

i wonder if they'll ever make such a thing as authorized hostility towards ficsit pioneers

[whole drum]

You don't get that warning in multiplayer when people shoot at you, so...

[fiery pewter]

They call that "being fired"

Literally

[viral violet]

Does anyone know if there is a way to stop hovering mid air on a controller?

[whole drum]

Press crouch?

Double-tap it

[shy mulch]

Will 1.2 include the AwfulShop where you spend coupons on things that make gameplay worse?

[whole drum]

Are you being serious, sarcastic, or thinking something kind of like Halo's skulls system?

[shy mulch]

I don't know what that is. I'm generally very sarcastic so it's best to ignore most of what I say

[whole drum]

Halo had hidden skulls through various levels that allowed you to unlock "cheats" that altered gameplay--usually making it more strange or difficult.

[shrewd palm]

i hope so

[reef basin]

like pipes

[shy mulch]

That sounds enjoyable

[shrewd palm]

they should put something in there that randomizes whatever you're trying to build

so that if you have a belt in your hot bar and try to build with it, it'll just give you a particle accelerator or miner or something

[whole drum]

Have a mode that starts you with like 20 hard drives that research in half time, but you don't get the default recipes and have to use alt recipes

[shy mulch]

Or just randomise build costs. All fun and giggles until every mk6 belt piece costs a ballistic warp drive

[feral geyser]

per meter

[shy mulch]

That doesn't sound too bad really, I'd be game for it 😁

[shy mulch]

Per yard. Just to annoy people who like round numbers

[rustic pier]

My favorite was grunt birthday party and iwhbyd

[whole drum]

I forget what iwhbyd did, but I liked the one that made them toss nades more. Made it a COD-like experience.

[rustic pier]

Hehe. Iwhbyd had them say rarer lines more often

[whole drum]

Oh, that one. Yeah, that was good.

[rustic pier]

One of my favorite times was a Grunt threw a grenade onto the back of an elite and he went “wasnt me!”

Or “can i have his helmet” when i died

I think the ‘nade one was “catch”

[native tapir]

Rocket fuel is better

[rustic pier]

I did that and then converted my turbo to rocket

[reef basin]

that's opinion-based, depends on preferences

[rustic pier]

My fuel generators only supplied about 10gw

[whole drum]

Is there no mathematical difference to oil in : power out?

[zenith fractal]

imo rocket fuel especially nitro rocket fuel gives the most power per effort put into construction

[reef basin]

wdym?

[whole drum]

As a ratio

[reef basin]

"effort" is really hard to measure

[rustic pier]

All i really know is that it takes less fuel to run per minute lol

[reef basin]

still not sure what do you mean

[whole drum]

See, this is generally how I saw it. The higher the tier of fuel, the more effort it requires to set up--and maybe extra resources too (but oil is the bottleneck)--so they should generally output more MW/h compared to lower tiered fuels.

[hard ivy]

It depends on recipes

[whole drum]

Which is why I was asking if there wasn't a mathematical difference

[reef basin]

pretty much all the "advanced" fuels are "convert non-oil resources to boost oil/fuel".

[whole drum]

I know that

That wasn't the question

[reef basin]

I'm still confused what the question is then

[whole drum]

Just in terms of oil in and power out

[reef basin]

because I'm not sure what "oil in : power out" means

[whole drum]

Power generated

[reef basin]

there's almost infinite combination of alt recipes and setups you can make to produce the different fuels, each of those combinations will give you different answer

[hard ivy]

It still depends on the fuel and the recipes used to make it

[viral violet]

Not working, i know it works on keyboard but not on controller

[whole drum]

Wouldn't someone be able to do A/B comparisons of base recipes vs optimal alt recipes for each fuel type?

[ornate saffron]

I don't know what is the best oil in power
Out. But I really like the nitro rocket fuel recipie. You can even use the by product compacted coal for more power generation

[reef basin]

well that hits the basic question of "what do you count as optimal"

[hard ivy]

Yes, you can do a comparison between a recipe chain for an item and every other recipe chain for that same item. Not just for fuels

[whole drum]

Right, so depending on if someone wants to go with option A or B, what would be "best" to them should have a definite answer.

[reef basin]

but the comparison needs to be done across the full chain, not just a single recipe

[reef basin]

it does, once you mathematically define what "best" means

nobody knows and if somebody knows they can't tell

[shrewd palm]

i very much doubt it

[whole drum]

That's what the A/B comparisons are for

[shy mulch]

Why would there be a discount on launch day?

[whole drum]

You first ask if you are using alt recipes or not, then choose accordingly based on the outputs for that option

[reef basin]

what exactly do you want to compare? could you give an example?

[hard ivy]

Iirc BL3 was 50% off on launch

[whole drum]

That game was in a heap of trouble well before launch tho

[shy mulch]

In theory yes. In reality, it's an A/B/C/D....X/Y/Z test with 19 dimensions

[whole drum]

No, I don't think that's true.

[shy mulch]

Then go and do the simple calculation and let us know the results

[whole drum]

There is a chain within each approach that provides the most power per oil

[reef basin]

fun fact, I once tried to do that just for screws which are super basic item. Ended up with around... 10^12 combinations (probably not all valid, but the scale was insane)

[shy mulch]

Prove us wrong

[whole drum]

Yeah, I'm not saying there aren't nearly endless combinations that can be done, but just in terms of the ratio between input and output, some recipes clearly provide more

[reef basin]

ok, so your definition of "best" is "most power per unit of oil".

Now we're getting somewhere, you have mathematically specified what best means. Should be simple enough to calculate then - open SFTools, enable all recipes, set oil limit to e.g. 10, use maximise for every type of fuel and you have result of what 10 oil can get you in terms of given fuel

[shy mulch]

I'd love for that question to be answered. To me it seems unfeasable. You're more than welcome to try

[reef basin]

yeah, but it depends on what resource do you value and how much. Most of the recipes that e.g. give more fuel per oil will also do something else, e.g. use more of other resource, or more complex, or etc.

[whole drum]

I haven't played with Tools much, but I like the suggestions

[reef basin]

(well you can also replace tools with anything else, even napkin math)

[whole drum]

Correct. That was why I specified just oil as the basis earlier--disregard the "value" of anything else you have to add.

[reef basin]

I just used it in a place of generic optimiser that finds the solution

[hard ivy]

And if you're just optimizing for max power out per unit oil, coal and compacted coal are gonna be ex aequo at ∞. Possibly uranium too. Idk if oil can be skipped there or not

[reef basin]

well then go to Tools and check that out 🙂 or anywhere else. I doubt anyone knows these from head, since most people do put at least some value to other resources as well

[gaunt tulip]

@obsidian zodiac - Saw the #announcements message about Console Release Livestream tomorrow.
❓ Will the Console Release Livestream be on BOTH Twitch and Youtube, or just Twitch? Curious minds want to know. 🤔

[reef basin]

they are looking into multistream, not confirmed yet

[reef basin]

at least UFR can be done oil-free

[hard ivy]

I mean it's probably gonna be default ionized fuel with nitro rocket, diluted and HOR. Not sure what the actual oil to power ratio is tho

[reef basin]

well I assumed they are looking at the "ratio" for every item, not just a best option, since they kept talking about ratios

[whole drum]

Just the oil-based fuels.

[reef basin]

well yeah that's what I mean

[hard ivy]

That's gonna be a huge-ass table

[runic sage]

Is it possible to make a save with my friends but just like an online server so the owner won't have to be online for everyone to play?

[earnest ridge]

<@&370483737957236737> Requesting some spam removal from: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/user/PlutoPlug

[hard ivy]

Yes, make a dedicated server

[reef basin]

will have one row per fuel

[runic sage]

How can I do that? Can you maybe send me a YouTube guide?

[reef basin]

why do people want youtube guides when we have wikis

[obsidian zodiac]

these dang drug dealers trying to steer us down the wrong path. thx for the heads up taking care of it

[rotund mauve]

Hey the release is at 14:00, which timezone?

[reef basin]

!consolerelease

[raven axle]

The Console Version will be released on: <t:1762261200:F>
More information will be found in #announcements

Will it allow crossplay?
Between consoles: yes, between PC and console: no.

Can we download ahead of time?
No.

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch dedicated servers

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=dedicated+servers

[zenith pecan]

Huh?

[whole drum]

What I was looking for wouldn't have to be. It's just a comparison of the optimal oil:power of each fuel type with the default recipes for A, and the optimal alt recipes for B.

[obsidian zodiac]

telegram bots spamming on our QnA site lol

[earnest ridge]

With Satisfactory, who needs other addictions, right?

[runic sage]

Ty

[reef basin]

oh sure, you'll just get all the drugs yourself, leave some for us

[whole drum]

It's like 8-10 items for the table

[rotund mauve]

Guys timezone? 🥺

[zenith pecan]

Urgh, just meh 😞

[reef basin]

I replied with the bot message

[whole drum]

I'm not familiar enough with SFTools to work it out right now though 🙁

[reef basin]

feel free to ask (possibly make a #1038092680493801533 thread for it)

[zenith pecan]

Tools is surprisingly user friendly.

[whole drum]

Yeah, but I just have barely used it for anything other than looking up recipes

[rotund mauve]

Yeah but still 14:00 gmt+1? 😂

[shy mulch]

Surely to just look up recipes you'd use the wiki

[reef basin]

the message is in your timezone

[reef basin]

tbh I also look up recipes on Tools, feels faster

[rotund mauve]

Ok perfect thank you 🤝

[whole drum]

Done that too, but Tools is cleaner

Easier to search

[hard ivy]

I wish it was possible to search by recipe name, not just item name

[shy mulch]

I find the wiki very easy to search, and gives me more details, tools is very good for planning a production line

[reef basin]

it is, though only in production calc

[reef basin]

I wonder what more info does wiki give over tools 🤔

[whole drum]

I have to have multiple tabs to really compare with the wiki

[hard ivy]

I meant the wiki

[reef basin]

ah fair. Though I'd say the built-in search should find it by recipe name

well tried "stitched iron plate" and it has a redirect to RIP page

[hard ivy]

Oh, it does. Didn't when I last tried it. Good to know

[reef basin]

searching "cast screws" found iron ingot and screw pages as top 2 hits

[shy mulch]

gonna be honest, I literally only just noticed the codex section, I've only ever used it for the calculator part

[reef basin]

(fyi I plan for new Tools to have more smart search, so it should be possible to search anything in codex by almost any name, as well as improve the search for recipes in calc section)

[solemn edge]

for the first time building steel, how much should I produce ipm?

[sterile blade]

Tomorrow, on the news: "Satisfactory is now on the list of gateway d*ugs"

[ivory condor]

I wonder how much donations you actually need to be able to dedicate time to making the tools become a reality, because I know you often comment you have really no free time to work on it

[earnest ridge]

Say NO to factory builders!!!

[solemn edge]

Id prefer a title of: "Say NO to Phase 2"

[whole drum]

That's because they spend all their time in Discord

[young echo]

the time shown for the release tomorrow, is that my local time showing (automated for your time zone) or a set timezone?

[shy mulch]

Leaving a full time job to rely on what is essentially a hobby project is a massive leap

[reef basin]

donations currently cover the server costs and such. There's some extra though, for which I'm very grateful

currently it's indeed due to lack of my time, there have been bad things happening IRL and I also have like 8 other side projects that all kinda gathered on a pile of "need to finish this yesterday".

In the past I've been given larger donations "in exchange for dev time", though that's been on current tools. I'd feel bad to tell the donating person "I've done dev time on new tools, thanks for donation" and then have nothing to show for because new Tools aren't ready yet (or that dev time is some internal things that don't really have reasonable output to screenshot it or something)

As for free time, I'm currently culling my other projects, I'm down to last two, one of which I actually got paid for so kinda has priority over new Tools. Then there's a bit of backlog of work for actual work, once all that's done (best guess is a few weeks at most), I really want to jump back into new Tools dev. Probably will end up upgrading everything to up-to-date versions, polishing code, releasing data tools (parser for game data which things like wiki uses), and then do actual new tool dev 😄

[whole drum]

Sounds dope

[shy mulch]

The more you give, the more people ask for, is the unfortunate truth
I run a site for another game that's very basic by comparison but contains a lot of useful data and some interactive stuff, and I'm constantly being asked to update it and add new stuff. I simply answer no. I'll do it when I want to. If anyone ever offered me money to speed up updates on it, I'd refuse the money honestly. Cos people suck and I cba with demands 🙂

[reef basin]

I just realised I kinda didn't answer directly, so direct answer is:

If you want to donate larger amounts of money in exchange for dev time (and are fine with having low amount of feedback on what I did, as well as are fine with the thing possibly not happening immediately, but probably in a few weeks), I'm open to discuss this.

If you want to see your money's value in dev time and actual progress, I'd recommend to wait once Tools are more in a state where visual progress can be made.

(in the end though, it's your money, do with it what you want. Just that naturally I can't 100% guarantee anything in exchange for the money, although I can make (and try to fullfill) promises)

[whole drum]

Sounds reasonable enough

[reef basin]

yeah I'm definitely not in position where I could depend on patreon only. And tbh, Tools probably isn't a project that could generate reasonable amount of revenue for this to work (at least long-time).

[ivory condor]

Thanks for the detailed responses, it was more of a open ended question and I realize there isnt a straight forward answer to the question I asked but I appreciate you trying to give some type of answer to it.

[reef basin]

(also a bit related - current company I work for pays by month, not by hour, so it's less justifiable to work less for them and more on tools)

[shy mulch]

Everyone's different, but the stress of being responsible for my own income being generated is worth a lot to me. If I mess up in my job and a client goes elsewhere, I get a slap on the wrist, it doesn't cost me financially

[stoic mountain]

Should you make a big iron smeltery and just ship the ingots to factories or should you smelt the ores at the factory

[hard ivy]

you should do whichever sounds more convenient/better to you

[stoic mountain]

do you know how to make conveyors on the ground look good?

[whole drum]

Use foundation

[reef basin]

personally I'd recommend building factories near resources they need and not centralising them (so every factory that needs ingots will make the ingots itself)

but ultimately it's up to you

[stoic mountain]

if i send a pic in screenshots can you tell me how to improve it?

[reef basin]

better to do so in #design-and-architecture

#screenshots is for showing off, not for questions

[stoic mountain]

ok i sent it in design and architecture

[whole drum]

And just by the names of the channels, I would have assumed the opposite

[reef basin]

by the names of the channels, #1038092680493801533 is for questions 🙂

(and also #screenshots channel topic is "Post beautiful ingame screenshots here! Not for conversation, text messages will be removed.")

[kind fox]

so in coal power production, is it wise to use the powershards?

[reef basin]

do you want to build less gens at the cost of power shards?

[kind fox]

i mean i have 50 shards lol

[reef basin]

well, once you answer the question I've given you, you'll also have answer to your original question 🙂

[whole drum]

Power shards are quite easy to get, and using them for power generation can go a long way to having a much larger grid, so imo it's worth it.

[reef basin]

power shards do not increase the power you get though

[kind fox]

they do

[reef basin]

no, you still get same power per coal

[kind fox]

150->175 mw

[whole drum]

They help you gain more coal. The generators just consume more coal for more power.

[toxic spruce]

Who else is hyped for console release tomorrow?

[kind fox]

ohhh

okay

[whole drum]

I was talking about putting shards in the miners so you had more to work with

[reef basin]

yeah, it makes more power, but at the cost of more coal

if you have 150/min coal, you can build 10 gens at 100%, or 4 gens at 250% clock speed, but you'll still generate same power

[kind fox]

dw i have 3 in each

[cunning siren]

Sup y'all ❤️

[kind fox]

so its not really that worth for the 25 mw increase

[reef basin]

well again, all it does is save you materials for building the gens

[whole drum]

As greeny said, if you want to build fewer machines, it can be good

[kind fox]

cause i cant progress rn till i get power sorted

[whole drum]

And build space, if that's ever an issue

[kind fox]

meh materials arent bad

[reef basin]

(also not sure where you got 25 MW)

[shy mulch]

There is no increase. The amount of coal you have will make the same power, regardless of whether you put shards in the generators or not

[kind fox]

when using 3 power shards you get 175 mw power production

[reef basin]

3 power shards will get you 187.5 MW for that coal gen

[hard ivy]

you don't?

[hard ivy]

also false lol

[lost yoke]

the coal gen produces 75MW if i'm not wrong

[reef basin]

oh for some reason I thought it's 150

[hard ivy]

yes, and 2.5 times that is 187.5

[lost yoke]

so *2.5 it's about 180MW

[kind fox]

#screenshots message

yeah its 185

either way my point stands

[shy mulch]

At 100% a coal gen uses 45/min coal and generates 75MW
At 250% it will use 2.5x as much coal and produce 2.5x as much power. That's how percentages work

[reef basin]

each shard gives you +50% power production AND +50% consumption

so it evens out and all you are saving is space and materials (whether that's worth to you or not is up to you)

[deft wagon]

dont forget water

[reef basin]

(or to be more precise, each shard gives you the ability to increase the production and consumption up to 50% higher)

[kind fox]

i think my biggest issue is splitting the coal evenly

[deft wagon]

use a manifold

[reef basin]

fun fact, you don't have to do that

[kind fox]

wdym

[shy mulch]

Bottom line is, the only difference sharding a power generator makes is that you build less machines. The same amount of coal will always make the same amount of power

[reef basin]

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[hard ivy]

then don't

[kind fox]

smort, ty

[deft wagon]

just make sureyou have enough coal for all the gens and then use a manifold like what greeny just sent

[kind fox]

thanks guys

yall are the goats

[whole drum]

Check out the first few pages of the piping manual too, so you make sure to get your water right

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[reef basin]

for coal gens a simple water manifold will work just fine

[whole drum]

Not if all 3 are the same side

[reef basin]

even if that

[deft wagon]

you can just make a loop all the way around so water has another way

[reef basin]

  G  G  G  G
E-+--+--+--+
E-+
E-+--+--+--+
  G  G  G  G

all on same side 😛

[shy mulch]

That can lead into throughput issues, depending on the scale

[whole drum]

You know that's not what I was talking about, rofl

But touche

[kind fox]

is e the pump and g storage?

[reef basin]

E is Extractor and G is Generator

[deft wagon]

It hasnt ever caused issues for me on smaller scales

[kind fox]

i see

[reef basin]

how would E be pump and G storage, they do not share any letters lol

[kind fox]

shhh im not smart and i woke up 2 hours ago

[reef basin]

(well I guess g and storaGe)

[shy mulch]

Exactly, smaller scale won't be an issue. If you're working with large amounts of water, too much for one pipe, then your loop idea won't work well

[kind fox]

i huffed brake cleaner and gasket remover all day yesterday

[whole drum]

storaGe and pumpE

[kind fox]

[whole drum]

Oof

[deft wagon]

i guess valves exist

[reef basin]

never use them

[whole drum]

Use a pump instead

[reef basin]

no reason to make your life harder

use pump if you need to go up, otherwise just pipe is fine

[whole drum]

The main key is to pre-fill pipes before you turn on the machines they feed

[shy mulch]

How would a valve allow you to pump more than the maximum through a pipe

[whole drum]

I to doesn't. He was talking about controlling flow.

[kind fox]

is a buffer even useful

[hard ivy]

it's really not. I never do, and everything still works fine just fune

[reef basin]

no, apart from buffering train platforms

[kind fox]

okay thank you

[deft wagon]

i thought you meant it wouldnt even out correctly

[kind fox]

il redo the setup and get back

[reef basin]

valve doesn't help with that either

[kind fox]

anyone else only use fly mode in advanced settings?

also what about setting up a storage buffer for coal?

[reef basin]

why?

[hard ivy]

what's that gonna do?

[whole drum]

lol??

Actually, I can think of one use

[reef basin]

either you make exactly as you need (and therefore don't need the buffer)
or you're making more (and the buffer will always be full once it fills up)
or you're making less (and the buffer will always be empty)

[kind fox]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-uh-well-i-dont-really-know-i-dont-know-idk-i-dont-really-know-gif-24914101

im making double what i need

[versed scroll]

Is release date/time for console in pst??

[whole drum]

If you have a splitter right before the coal storage box, you can feed it into black powder so the power stays on when there's demand for powder

[reef basin]

!consolerelease

[kind fox]

not there yet

[reef basin]

!consolerelease

[raven axle]

The Console Version will be released on: <t:1762261200:F>
More information will be found in #announcements

Will it allow crossplay?
Between consoles: yes, between PC and console: no.

Can we download ahead of time?
No.

[kind fox]

havent even made steel yet

[hard ivy]

why on earth would it be in pst

[whole drum]

That's the only thing I can think of why you would buffer your coal power

[kind fox]

okay thanks

[versed scroll]

Just used to other games released pst

[reef basin]

power gens produce always, they do not scale with demand

[whole drum]

I know

I'm saying that powder has a low demand, and it's infrequent, so if you wanted to occasionally feed that line that way, you could--but eventually that buffer runs out until you feed it from something else

It would be a temporary solution

[last vector]

So is it GMT?

[reef basin]

a horrible solution

[reef basin]

it's in your timezone

[cunning siren]

Wow, this is the first time I've seen a possible totally broken save 🤔 There are "Random motors" showing up on a belt that only produces Encased Beams AND no logical explanation for it 😆

[whole drum]

Has that belt ever been used for other things?

Sometimes stuff hides in splitters/mergers

[cunning siren]

OH wait, found a ninja belt feeding into adjacent build 😆

[whole drum]

😄

[cunning siren]

"Auto-connect"

🤷

[last vector]

Thank you, been waiting so long to finally automate and innovate

[whole drum]

Don't forget to explore and exploit

[last vector]

Ah yes, it’s gonna be great to take advantage of the void

[whole drum]

Just remember to not loop the loop organ

[feral geyser]

Also remember to ďěfìłë ŧĥę ţēmpļėṣ̌

[cunning siren]

Whelp, good thing I caught the auto-connect issue before production buffer ran dry

TIL: 1/3 of the Hight of a refinery is only the smoke stack 😠 and that it's 30 m total

WOH! Pure Copper takes 80x refineries to max out a 250% OC'ed pure node and iron only ~34.2. The production outputs between them are huge too 2,228 for iron 3,000 for copper. Well worth the 4x power for iron and 8.7x for copper IMO 🤔

Maybe I'll wait till I have power to waste on things I don't need before doing pure recipes 🤷

Where the Pure Coal alt!?!?!? 😆

[reef basin]

it's called "compacted coal"

[cunning siren]

Bleh

[fossil snow]

I need help

[kind fox]

updated
#screenshots message

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533 kinda sounds like the place to go

[cunning siren]

If only all things that used coal also used compacted coal then I would agree it's the same as a "Pure" alt

[rustic pier]

Ill have to show you what i got setup in that same spot

[reef basin]

many of them do

[cunning siren]

And some don't 🤷 also using sulfur is not water like the Pure alts so not really the same at all

[reef basin]

pure coal is power

you add water to coal and get better thing

[cunning siren]

I looked at the math on compacted coal yesterday and was not that impressed 🤷

I may still end up doing it, as a meme

[reef basin]

eh it's fine for people who care about the benefits it gives

[trail cave]

What time does it release on console tomorrow

[reef basin]

!consolerelease

[raven axle]

The Console Version will be released on: <t:1762261200:F>
More information will be found in #announcements

Will it allow crossplay?
Between consoles: yes, between PC and console: no.

Can we download ahead of time?
No.

[trail cave]

Thank you

Is that 1pm uk or usa

[reef basin]

that's your timezone

[hard ivy]

this should really be written in the bot message

apparently not everyone knows how discord timestamps work

[trail cave]

Do we have price ?

[reef basin]

(people don't even know how timezones work, you can't make everyone happy)

[reef basin]

no, slavery is forbidden in most countries

[solemn edge]

why is MK3 conveyors easier to make than MK2? (I mean as in steel rather than reinforced iron)

[reef basin]

"easier" really depends on how much you automate.

usually is caused by you not automating enough RIPs and thinking it's therefore "harder"

[solemn edge]

I produce about.... 10 RIP!

Which, isnt great-

[reef basin]

and personally I'd consider steel more complex, requiring two raw resources instead of one (with base recipes)

[solemn edge]

actually wait no, 20*

[whole drum]

I like to set up compacted coal for generators, then later convert them with oil into fuel for more power

[solemn edge]

also to be fair, making steel beams doesnt take as long as RIP

[reef basin]

speed of a recipe is also not a concern imo, as you can just build more machines

[solemn edge]

(also yes, RIP does need only 1 type of raw resource, however it needs to go through multiple bloody constructors and assemblers)

you need to make plates and screws (which screw are made from iron pipes)

[sharp basin]

Guys I need to now: at what time EXACTLY on PS5?

[solemn edge]

which is a lengthy task

[reef basin]

answered like 20 messages back

[whole drum]

120 raw iron = 10 rip, fyi. Makes planning simpler.

[solemn edge]

whereas for steel beams, you only really need is just coal and raw iron, make it steel and just give it 3 steel's to make 3 steel beams

[whole drum]

Assuming base recipes, ofc

[reef basin]

again, it's common point of view for new players, but usually experienced players don't find it harder

[sharp basin]

14:00 but where??

[reef basin]

also answered in same point

[solemn edge]

That is probably why

[cunning siren]

I've started looking at steel beams as food for Steel Screws recently 😆 as after Iron Pipe + Encased Iron Pipe + Mk.4 belts steel and beams become obsolete AND they don't really make anything else 🤷 Sad truth, maybe happy truth for Steel Screws 🤔

[solemn edge]

but how could I improve my RIP production?

[reef basin]

build more 🙂

[solemn edge]

without starving my-

[hard ivy]

alts

[solemn edge]

alts.?

[hard ivy]

alt recipes

[sharp basin]

I just see 14:00

[reef basin]

alternate recipes, you can use them to change how you make things, sometimes they can benefit your gameplay style

[reef basin]

literally two messages under the bot msg

[solemn edge]

Ohh right, I remember getting alt recipes for screws!

[cunning siren]

This discord gonna be flooded with console noobs soon ™ 😆

[solemn edge]

but uhh, do I rebuild my factory then.?

[reef basin]

time to bring out my old list of copy-pasteable answers for basic questions that can be googled in 5 seconds

[reef basin]

build new, keep old

[solemn edge]

where do I build new?

[reef basin]

near resources it needs

[sharp basin]

@reef basin not clear at all, what can I expect for Paris (France)?

[reef basin]

the message shows in your timezone

[solemn edge]

As in, Im kind of in the rocky desert

[reef basin]

!consolerelease

[raven axle]

The Console Version will be released on: <t:1762261200:F>
More information will be found in #announcements

Will it allow crossplay?
Between consoles: yes, between PC and console: no.

Can we download ahead of time?
No.

[solemn edge]

and I kind of already struggling to find good veins

[hard ivy]

the map is 50 km^2. you'll find a place

[solemn edge]

without having to traverse miles upon MILES

[reef basin]

any vein is good

[solemn edge]

Fair enough

[sharp basin]

Opooh thanks 🙏

[whole drum]

Instead of looking for just pure nodes, consider that 2 normals is the same output, or 4 impures

[still goblet]

The answer to the question of what time is the release on ps5 is written on the PS store page of this game

[whole drum]

Consoles died at the end of PS4 era. Fiteme

[reef basin]

instead of looking at nodes AT ALL, look how much you need per minute

[reef basin]

consoles died when PC became a thing (aka they were practically always dead) 😛

[whole drum]

Nah, most things I would want to make can't make a lot of use of only 1 normal node

It's just the opportunity cost of build at spot A vs spot B

[reef basin]

that's my point, ignore "number of nodes" or anything

look for a spot that makes X/min (where X is the amount you need). Number of nodes is irrelevant

[whole drum]

I typically won't build on impures unless there are 4 close together

[reef basin]

if they can give me the amount I need, why not?

[whole drum]

Because somewhere else can give me more and I can build multiple things there

[reef basin]

but why would I want to build on "more", when the amount I need is the lesser amount?

[visual harness]

Any tips for managing lost of belts under platforms?
Been playing around with using ceiling mounted belts since my current project is on a large platform a decent bit over the ground.
Keeps the top a lot cleaner, but it's gotten messy under the platform lol

[reef basin]

I don't care how much I can make from resources around, I care about how many resources I need for the amount I want

[reef basin]

freight platforms? or what platforms?

[whole drum]

That creates a lot more logistical work 🤮

[visual harness]

I ment foundations

[reef basin]

no, that simplifies logistics insanely

[rain stag]

Favorite modular frame and encased industrial beam recipie?

[reef basin]

depends on place and resources around

[hard ivy]

steeled frame and encased pipe

[whole drum]

No, it creates a lot more nodes that I have to wire into the network vs just having fewer, fatter nodes

[visual harness]

I can kinda run belts wherever and stack them underground while keeping things looking nice on-top

[reef basin]

no? you find a place that has nodes that can feed your setup and build there. You don't connect excess nodes

[rain stag]

I mean id build a new factory so id get the recources id need in somehow. Just looking for peoples favs to streamline production a bit

[reef basin]

well I'd find a place based on resources I need, not the other way around. I first plan, then build 😉

[whole drum]

No, I connect my resources so I can push them up the production chain. Having way more places creating products is more complicated than fewer places supporting more products.

[reef basin]

honestly, I'd recommend looking at the recipes yourself, ideally in some planner. Recipes rarely give you advantages on their own, most of the time they give different advantages when combined with different recipes. So I'd recommend looking into all the combinations yourself and picking one that you find most "streamlined", whatever that means for you

[whole drum]

Too true

[reef basin]

here's a read on what I'm recommending - https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[whole drum]

I've had recipes on one save that were useless be life savers in a different save

[reef basin]

that can happen in a single save as well, in different factories you'll use different recipes in different combinations for different reasons

[cunning siren]

Yea, build location seems to change what is handy sometimes

There is also synergys too with alts

[whole drum]

The early example starts too granular. When I need RIPs or Motors, I use dedicated nodes for that. But if I can produce a set of both at the same location, I'd rather do that than look for two locations that service one of each.

[reef basin]

the example is just example, but I'd apply it everywhere. If I need to make X, I make X. If I later need X anywhere, I make X in there as well

[reef basin]

it's not about separate locations but separate production lines

and obviously if you plan two products at the same time, they can be part of a single production line. Point is to not connect the output of a factory to any future new factory

[rain stag]

Streamlined like my motor factory. Where everything is made from iron ore. Of course every case is different yeah but just hearing people out about theirs favs and why gives ideas. Atleast that was my point

[solemn edge]

what is the % boost for 1 cell shard overclock?

[reef basin]

see, f.e. I would say that iron-only motors are horrible 🙂

[reef basin]

each shard gives up to 50% extra capability

[solemn edge]

noted.

[whole drum]

I mean, even in early game, once you have mk2 belts, a pure node can support 2 plates, 2 rods, and 3 screws all feeding into 3 boxes. I'd rather do that on one base than chase down 4 impure nodes and have to either run back and forth between them constantly or have to wire tons of belts around to the HUB.

[solemn edge]

But is it worth using 2 nodes for just RIP?

Cause like, Ill probably need the more complex parts, right?

[reef basin]

they will make their own RIPs in the future

make however many RIPs you need now

see the article I also posted above - https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[solemn edge]

isnt the future now?

[whole drum]

Yeah, we agree on this part, mostly. There are parts that I produce at a location specifically to feed somewhere else, but that's more for advanced parts like computers and turbo motors.

[reef basin]

make what you need now, yeah. But don't make extra "because I may need it later"

[reef basin]

see and I would do that for every single product

plan a product, plan how much I want, which recipes I want to use, then plan location and build there.

[solemn edge]

also at what stage are hypertube cannons a thing

[whole drum]

When you unlock hypertubes 🙂

But uh... bring a parachute

[reef basin]

personally I wouldn't abuse what essentially is a bug, but you do you

[round matrix]

i tend to look at whatever is the hardest resource to acquire and build it near there. so things that are heavy on the oil near oil rich regions, nitrogen near wells, stuff like that. then based on that estimate how much i'll need and plan from there

[shrewd palm]

You unlock them some time in phase 2

I don’t remember the exact tier

[solemn edge]

do you mean after finishing phase 2 or during the phase 2 stage?

[shrewd palm]

At that stage I don’t think you really need cannons tho

[shrewd palm]

During

[solemn edge]

oh yup its at tier 4

last upgrade actually

also why would people need blueprint-

does this game allow copying blueprints

[round matrix]

yess

[reef basin]

oh for sure, you can't always find a place with all the resources and some need transporting. For that I'd first build near fluid resources to not have to transport them, and then near majority

[shrewd palm]

Why wouldn’t you need them

[solemn edge]

and this game does have a uhm, sandbox. Right?

[shrewd palm]

Game is the sandbox

[lavish lance]

there is a creative mode, but no true sandbox that lets you spawn in infinite resources

[round matrix]

yeaaa exactly right. i'm almost exclusively building over water for that very reason. oil is always near, and nitrogen is not too bad to train over. i'd rather have it through pipes, but this works fine for nitrogen in my opinion (so far)

[round matrix]

advanced gameplay settings allow you to customize your experience with god mode, flight, infinite resources, whatever you want to add/not add

[lavish lance]

you can spawn resource nodes without mods?

that would be news to me

[round matrix]

you cannot

[lavish lance]

so it is what i said

[solemn edge]

I mean creative or whatnot

[shrewd palm]

Yes

[solemn edge]

I call it sandbox because, you have unlimited chances to build something

without having to make resources

[lavish lance]

the default game mode is also a sandbox.
Nodes dont run out and there is no timer on anything

[shrewd palm]

The is get that basically in the endgame

[round matrix]

you can choose to have no resource cost though, which is the same as infinite resources :D just yeah, you do need the nodes from somewhere if you want to make the factory

[shrewd palm]

You’ll have production for everything set up so build costs don’t really matter

And hoverpack + jet pack + hyper tubes is flying

[solemn edge]

good point actually

Im probably just used to calling it from other games (such as factorio calling creative sandbox and such)

[mystic oriole]

the game would be different if there was a count down timer.

[lavish lance]

the only rush in satisfactory is the early game where you use biomass for fuel

but past that, you can take all the time you want

[solemn edge]

I would like that as a gamemode I cant lie

[reef basin]

and even then, you aren't really pressured to do anything, just factory may stop

which isn't really a big deal at that point

[lavish lance]

wich then forces you to go resource hunting, so i do consider that forcing

[whole drum]

Even with this, they only burn where there is demand, so for the most part, every biomass burnt is converted into some other resource. It's just a question of using them wisely.

[mystic oriole]

like the first fallout, save the world in x amount of time

[solemn edge]

the factory stopping means it cannot produce anything

[stray field]

Is the game long lasting? Like takes over 1k hrs to beat on average?

[solemn edge]

the premise of the game is to be efficient

[lavish lance]

beating aninmals to pulp also helps

[solemn edge]

and trying your absolute best to NOT fuck up

[reef basin]

which doesn't matter much in early stages where the production doesn't feed anything important, apart from your expansion

[hard ivy]

it doesn't take that long to beat once, but you can spend much longer than that in it if you want to

[shrewd palm]

If you’re not very ambitious and don’t mind spaghetti then you’re probably going to finish in like 1-200 hours

[stray field]

From tier 1 to last tier?

[whole drum]

One of my first saves was like that because I didn't find SAM until 150 hours in, lol

[weary stream]

yo are there any like MUST HAVE alt recipies that i should know of before i get into the more complex production lines?

[shrewd palm]

But the play time is effectively infinite because you can build whatever you want

[hard ivy]

all of them, preferably. so you can choose

[leaden turret]

stitched iron plate

[stray field]

Damn okay I thought it was like over 1k hrs
Just like playing but not tryna spreedrun how long does it take?

[shrewd palm]

The architectural/mega project side of this game is develop large

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=architecture

[shrewd palm]

My old save with 2 mega projects (12k aluminum and 630GW nuclear power) took about 600 hours for me to get started on phase 5 project parts (didn’t finish)

[round matrix]

entirely depends on your playstyle

[shrewd palm]

But tbf I wiped out like 200 hours rebuilding after 1.0

[stray field]

Okay thanks

[reef basin]

everyone kinda has different definition of "beat the game", since it's pretty open-ended

yes, there's phases, but you can do much more. If you just rushed the "game end" with some basic knowledge, you could probably get it down to like 50-100 hours. Casual play is anywhere from like 150ish hours to multiple hundreds of hours

[stray field]

Oh okay thanks
Cuz I see on yt and stuff people got over like 1k overs so i thought it was like long then

[shrewd palm]

People on YouTube have that much time because of all the insane builds and stuff

[reef basin]

people on youtube shouldn't be considered normal players 😄 (both for copying builds and getting general sense of the gameplay)

[shrewd palm]

Depends on the scale and complexity but builds like that can easily push like 300+ hours

My main base in my current save isn’t even that detailed or big and it still took me like an 60 hours to get to a place I deem as acceptable

[charred sandal]

how often do you guys get overwhelmed with what youre trying to do, ask yourself "why am I even doing this?" and then quit for a while

[reef basin]

usually happens when you're building more than you should 😄

[ornate saffron]

Often. Every time I decide on a theme design

[whole drum]

Usually that feeling hits when you enter a new phase and see the project parts, lol
But the answer is the same as with any big project IRL: Chunking. Break the overall goal down into manageable, achievable tasks and just starting knocking them down.

[silk ocean]

I’d rate SatisfactoryTools by greeny at 9/10 (awesome level).

It’s very solid — great planning tools for Satisfactory, widely liked by the community.

--> You can say 10 by the way, keep it simple I don't have time for fluff

Alright then — 10/10, full awesome. 🌟

Greeny’s SatisfactoryTools.com
 absolutely rocks.

AI loves you xD

Kiss kiss xD

[ivory condor]

XD

[reef basin]

I'm so glad that a random generator randomly generated 9/10

[rustic quest]

In my first playthrough it happened a few times especially toward the end where you get to a point where A LOT of parts have to come together for late game parts, that wasn't particularly fun especially because it was compounded by the start of my issues with pipes (my rocket fuel plant).

This new playthrough I'm avoiding it not only because of hindsight so better planning but also because I'm focusing on tackling one thing at the time (plus maybe exploring and some small other thing) and not unlocking too much before having finished the previous stuff.
For example now I could unlock fuel power but I want to get motors automated first and perhaps start with electronics and then proceed with power

[reef basin]

(kinda joking ofc)

[silk ocean]

tbh 9/10 is pretty awesome, better than I could ever do xD

It is a very cool site, totally objectively deserves a good score if that is a thing xD

How did you develop it out of interest

I looked at the JS, albeit minified but very extensive, I'm guessing you used an app dev framework?

The thing that interested me is that the HTML5 looks really clean

Didn't strike me as an integrated solution

[ivory condor]

Probably because thats missing most of the backend code i would imagine

[silk ocean]

Well yea for sure

[reef basin]

frontend:
AngularJS (yeah, old tech, sue me), Typescript, some third party libs like vis.js for the graphs and ELK.js for positioning of nodes

backend (used for actual solving and save/load of share links):
PHP, Nette Framework, MariaDB, Doctrine, native lp_solve

most of the code is frontend, the backend is really just converting the JSON request from site to model to pass to the solver and then parsing the text-based output of solver to convert back to JSON

[cunning siren]

Wait to build plast before making liquid bio fuel for jetpack? NOPE! Spends coupons for plast and sloops them into canisters IMMEDIATELY! 😆

[silk ocean]

That's really interesting, thanks. I usually go as far as PHP backend/frontend, some Python and the underlying system, but I should check out some other things sometime

I tend to be stuck with MySQL Community GPL, currently on 8.4 LTS

Should really move to MariaDB

[shy mulch]

don't change db unless there's a good reason to

[silk ocean]

It wouldn't be a db change

[shy mulch]

what limitation are you finding that would be solved by mariadb

[reef basin]

mariaDB is MySQL on drugs

[shy mulch]

just a branch really

[reef basin]

it's a fork that got improved

[shy mulch]

but effectively interchangable for most applications

[leaden turret]

reminder: tools discussions is #math-and-meta

[silk ocean]

Maria is just prob a better long term solution for a community user

Who knows what's happening at Oracle mainline xD

[shy mulch]

long time since i paid attention to any such things

haven't done any paid development work in about 3 years

[silk ocean]

I fully intend to move to MariaDB

[shy mulch]

I fully intend to move to the bahamas

[silk ocean]

Take your Starlink dish with you

[visual harness]

So what is the main use of the programmable splitter? Is it just to handle a lot of items on a sushi-belt with low throughput items?

[silk ocean]

Which western country do you live in?

Guaranteed to be better than the UK xD

[shy mulch]

I don't reveal personal data on discord sorry 🙂

[silk ocean]

I wouldn't say a country is personal deets xD

We can drill this down to about 100 million citizens, said no intelligence agency ever xD

[cunning siren]

Seems like a good plan

[silk ocean]

Just say the frickin country, you're not going to get raided by the FBI

[shy mulch]

I've had issues in the past with internet people who disagree with me about something in a game, going to extraordinary lengths to piece data together to find me and my employer and my family. So since then I just reveal absolutely nothing to anyone, personal rule

[silk ocean]

DM it to me then

[shy mulch]

I'd prefer not to

[silk ocean]

Fair play

Sounds like you are a mug

[broken solar]

buddy if someone can find your personal data based on the country u live u got a very big digital footprint 😭

[shy mulch]

If I reveal info to one person and not to another, then it opens up a "why them and not me" question, and it's just a rabbit hole I'm not interested in exploring

[silk ocean]

If giving your country compromises your terrible level of understanding and security, you got far bigger problems

[shy mulch]

I do, some of the things I've done are not possible to keep private, and I want to keep a complete wall between that and gaming

[broken solar]

ur still making no sense

[shy mulch]

I don't require it to make sense to you

[broken solar]

i can be bill gates and say i live in america and still not get found

[shy mulch]

I've stated my position

[broken solar]

😭

[silk ocean]

You stated your position as a total lack of knowledge, understanding and epic noob

[broken solar]

^^

[shy mulch]

I'd prefer not to have to ask mods to step in. This is quite an unreasonable line of questioning
I was asked for information I don't want to share, I said no, that should be the end of it

[visual harness]

So is the bolted iron plate recipe any good, or is the stitched plate just the better recipe overall?
(for reinforced plates)

[broken solar]

yeah nobody is making u say what country ur from but dont say its gonna compromise ur personal information cuz that has 0 relation 🤣

[silk ocean]

Just run to the mods, this is what people with no clue do. Run to "help"

[deft wagon]

stitched is the best one i believe

you should phase out screws

(bolted is the screws one i think?)

[visual harness]

fair, just seemed like it could be good as it made a lot of plater per machine, but the material cost is probably higher than it's worth

[cunning siren]

One "trick" is to tell "everybody" something different and then you can track when the data shows up who leaked 😆

Tyrion Lannister move

[shy mulch]

I don't want to know though, how is that less effort than telling nobody anything?

[silk ocean]

What do you think I do half of my time in #dedicated-servers ? Do you think for one second I am doing anyything other than helping people? I am 45 years old. I don't give a fuck about hurting anything. I help people, I fix things. Get real man

[deft wagon]

Make sure you use caterium wire alt with it tho, it makes it insanely efficient

[cunning siren]

Sometimes a small bit of effort can pay off bigtime

[shy mulch]

I just want to play a game and chat about that game

[hard ivy]

nah, iron wire all the way

[deft wagon]

never used it, is it better?

[visual harness]

you know, I never did consider using that recipe, but I can def see why people use it

[deft wagon]

yeah it makes 120 wire for like something like 10 caterium (per min)

[silk ocean]

Well some people need help and that is what I try to do

[deft wagon]

tell me about it

[visual harness]

well, I have plenty of most materials where I'm currently building, so I don't mind using a bit of whatever for this

[hard ivy]

it allows you to make stitched plates out of just iron ore. it's significantly cheaper than default plates

[deft wagon]

Makes sense tbf

[primal obsidian]

where do i get the purple ore in the alien tech tree

[deft wagon]

SAM?

[hard ivy]

from the ground like any other ore

[deft wagon]

goto satisfactroy calculator and find a node near your base

[primal obsidian]

yeah, i have a bunch of the spheres and sloop but cant use any of it

[deft wagon]

they're dotted around

[cunning siren]

I have yet to use it cuz iron wire is so damn cheap but I guess if one is also in boatloads of Caterium 🤷 It can save one from planning out massive manifolds for Iron Wire 🤔

[deft wagon]

you could be helpful

[deft wagon]

Yeah i made a load of caterium so i didnt see a point in using iron wire
i can see why people would tho

iron wire just seems really expensive for how much iron you'd need

[small nova]

True

[buoyant orbit]

PETITION FOR A STATISTIC BOARD THAT SHOWS YOU HOW LONG IT TOOK YOU TO ACHIEVE EACH PHASE IN THE SPACE ELEVATOR

[silk ocean]

Stick to your engineering, because you have no idea how the net works xD

[hard ivy]

it's cheap tho

[small nova]

Good new I just finished my auxiliary power station until I get my petroleum power station up and running

[shy mulch]

I definitely do, but I don't want to continue this line of questioning
I am asking you politely to respect my boundaries
You asked a question, I refused to answer, that should be the end of it

[deft wagon]

it's not very energy efficient
it takes 12.5/min to make 22.5

[small nova]

I’ll send a pic later

[primal obsidian]

why isnt my tractor getting items from this depot, i press F and nothing happens, the depot has stuff in it and is set to load and hass power aswell

i meant station

[deft wagon]

Are you recording a route?

[primal obsidian]

no, ill try that

[deft wagon]

If you are recording a route it doesnt let you

[small nova]

Yeah you usually need a route

[deft wagon]

discord isnt an IRC

[primal obsidian]

ok so then if i cant load it while recording does it do that automatically

[shy mulch]

<@&387163995947270144>

[deft wagon]

To be fair, they asked you quite a few times to let it go

[primal obsidian]

how do i get this station to work im so confused

[silk ocean]

Seems like I am scheduled for elimination

[north cloud]

yall chill please

[deft wagon]

I've never used a station before, i can load the game and see if i can help?

[north cloud]

im trying to fix dns

[primal obsidian]

?? what does this mean

[deft wagon]

test out the station

[primal obsidian]

how?

[deft wagon]

aws moment

[deft wagon]

by going into my save , building a tractor and station

[primal obsidian]

ok man

[willow jungle]

guys Ijust started playing again after a long time and started a new world. There was no way to make infinite/renewable biofuel right? I don't like taking all the grass or taking down every tree, I want it to be infinite xd I just don't remember what I used until I got to the coal

[deft wagon]

you cant automate making biofuel

[willow jungle]

oh it's ok, I just want it to be renewable, and as far as I know neither trees nor grass respawns

[peak wasp]

hi i not udnerstand the discovery recipe system.

i done all hard drive discover for now (no accept new hard driver) but i no discovery the silica + water recipe .
i'm in phase 4 and unlock all milestone 1-7.
only bad luck?

[deft wagon]

i dont think they

[deft wagon]

you can save reload the game with the reroll still available and just reload your game until it gives you the recipe

[shy mulch]

trees and leaves don't respawn, but there are other ways to make biofuel, not fully automated, but technically infinite

[white dawn]

The best you can do is set up a couple of storage containers where you can dump your collected leaves+wood (or maybe even remains) and then have it automated from that point on (including belting right into the bio burners)

[primal obsidian]

nvm i think i fixewd it, for some reason it only loads if you have one of the item already in the truck

[hollow barn]

1

[willow jungle]

yeah yeah I know but, leaves and wood are not renewable, right? they don't respawn, and that's my biggest problem

[hollow barn]

21

but i got 41

[white dawn]

Remains are! :)

[cunning siren]

Maybe Ion Fuel is basically what you are "looking for" It's an end game fuel and it can be fully automated 🤷 I guess you can turn on fly mode in the game options that would work too

[peak wasp]

ohhh i not thinking this! thanks

[deft wagon]

ion fuel is pretty bad all things considered
only good for jetpack

[willow jungle]

oh, right. Good, I'll use those. Not very... friendly, but doesn't matter, the factory must grow xd

[deft wagon]

rocket fuel is more efficent iirc

[white dawn]

Have to define what you mean by "efficient" in the end, for anything. :)

IMO Ionized Fuel is definitely S-tier for jetpack; essentially no downsides

[deft wagon]

yeah it's amazing for jetpack

but for power, rocket fuel is better

[cunning siren]

OOH, you are talking power. Well in that case maybe you used Geothermal power, I do that vs. use coal 🤷

[deft wagon]

Nitro Rocket Fuel is an incredibly good recipe

[hard ivy]

default rocket is good too

[deft wagon]

I've never used it, skipping turbofuel & with heavy oil residue + diluted fuel it's insanely good

[white dawn]

I wonder if Nitro would be as popular if it didn't become available until you unlock Nitric Acid

Always feels slightly odd to me that the alt recipe lets you get RF so much earlier

(I mean, it's not that much earlier, I guess, but still)

Though I'm sure it'd remain an attractively simple production chain for folks

[visual harness]

what do you guys recon is the better cable recipe?

[leaden turret]

momentarily confused thinking you were talking about discord nitro

[leaden turret]

josh brolin + ryan reynolds

[hard ivy]

I ususally do iron wire to default cable or quickwire cable

[visual harness]

I'll be honest, after using the basic recipe and trying to min-max out turbofuel for the rocket fuel production, using the alt recipe for rocketfuel is just a whole lot easier and takes a lot less space

[ornate saffron]

depends what resources are available where im making it. currently using Insulated Cable as i started with 3 oil nodes near

[hard ivy]

sure nitro is much easier, but default is much cheaper

[lyric prawn]

is there somewhere where i can find people to play with?

[ornate saffron]

#1201555265942724758

[visual harness]

#1201555265942724758

[lyric prawn]

love

[ornate saffron]

@visual harness I also like the compacted coal byproduct. thats 1600/min steel inogts with the alt recipe or more power

[primal obsidian]

is there anyway to make the top part of a truck station output one material and the bottom part a different onew

[visual harness]

Yea, it is overall cheaper but personally pipes are too much of a headache with backflow etc, so I take the cost over it.
I tried to troubleshoot my previous setup, but didn't get anywhere, but that's likely a skill issue

[visual harness]

Oh yea, I have considered setting up a steel line with it, just don't know what I'd need it for as of now.
Maybe making canisters for sinking water lmao

[versed mesa]

It can tire you out building and setting up production lines lol

Next production line and working on is None Fissile Uranium

[ornate saffron]

i dread the day i need more power lol

i made it a goal to go nuclear this run

[versed mesa]

Lmao yup alot of power you need but it also depends on how many production machines you build more is better for more production

[ornate saffron]

yas i made one pure oil node into Nitro rocket fuel bringing my power to 160000mw when i hit 120000mw max capacity ill go nuclear

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[versed mesa]

Ive just been winging it while building and seeing how things run if not great then ill fix it i dont do the calculations stuff lol

[wicked nacelle]

I find building factories to calculations to be incredibly dull. Just basically a build bot for a web tool.

[versed mesa]

Wow its a setup and half and same for other fuel rods

Like plutonium and ficsonium

[wicked nacelle]

It’s supposed to be a challenge. And also presumably why they made rocket fuel stupid OP

Because people couldn’t handle having to engage brain for more power

[versed mesa]

Is it rocket fuel op lol

[wicked nacelle]

And why after making it so difficult they felt they had to make ficsonium a newb trap is beyond my understanding

[ornate saffron]

one blue print 8 times and 232 fuel generators

[versed mesa]

Am working on getting plutonium slowly but surely almost there

[wicked nacelle]

Nuclear power is basically a punishment in this game in so many ways

Where as burning fossil fuel endlessly is rewarded.

[versed mesa]

Alot of gens

[sweet adder]

when is 1.2 suppose to come out?

[hard ivy]

yeah, nuclear was of questionable utility even before 1.0

[versed mesa]

Lol

[ivory condor]

now with rocket fuel its even more questionable

[wicked nacelle]

Fuel gens didn’t scale as well before rocket fuel. So it wasn’t just unlimited power without nuclear in b8

[versed mesa]

Why is rocket fuel so worse ?

[ivory condor]

fuel gens scale very well indeed now with rocket fuel

[wicked nacelle]

It’s the opposite. It’s incredibly good and simple to produce from easy resources that are not heavily limiting. It makes the complexity of nuclear seem silly to even bother with.

[versed mesa]

Or right yous make it sound like its more difficult to produce lol

[hard ivy]

600 oil was and still is 20 GW with just regular fuel. tap the entire blue crater and you've got like 80. more than enough to finish the game before 1.0 and still alright now

[wicked nacelle]

Lots of stuff in 1.0 just made the game silly easy. I wonder if they wanted to make it more casually approachable especially knowing they were releasing for console.

[versed mesa]

Me I just want to get phase 5 complete and or my its very long process wait lol

[ivory condor]

Probably was the goal yes