satisfactory

[rigid mist]

all the inputs to my IUC build are set up
just need to enable quickwire and 96 manufacturers will start working

[shy mulch]

I'm not sure I understand your point "it's purely based off the pretence that one is calculating everything from world resources". You tell it what resources you have available.
I also find the flow chart thing really simple and intuitive, I find it 100x easier to understand than modeller
And I also really hate things that automatically round things for me, I want to know exact numbers, so that's a major negative point from my perspective

[hard ivy]

Imma be honest, until I started playing modded recently, I've used SFTools exclusively for factory planning. It does almost everything I want and nothing I don't want. And Modeler doesn't do anything useful for me that Tools already doesn't. and it requires a) knowing exactly which recipes I want to use and b) assembling the entire plan by hand. which are purely detrimental

[upper gale]

Modeller is probably better for understanding the layout you want for your factory

[shy mulch]

yep I fully agree with that

I don't understand what benefit it would have to me to have to set everything up manually when tools just does it all and has the answers right there

[sullen gull]

So, you tell me how you are going to build 13.3 (or whatever arbitrary number). Modeler does give EXACT numbers. But, again, when overclocking (as I do with everything because shards are easy enough to come by at all stages of the game) having the ability automatically round the clock rate to keep the machines number even is a good touch.

[shy mulch]

Maybe I'm just built differently, or something, I don't know. But that entire step happens automatically in my head with 0 effort

[steel dome]

is anyone a ht cannon expert who can join and help me build one from my base to my factory

[shy mulch]

I just want to know exactly how much of X needs to go into machine Y and I can go and build it

[rigid mist]

cyberwagon isn't automatically unlocked when you turn on the auto-unlock setting

[cunning glade]

Is there a point too taking 2 copper alt recipes

[limpid cairn]

Nothing against you but I don’t think when someone joins and helps you every time for something you’ll learn it…

[sullen gull]

It doesn't require knowing the exact recipe. And imo, much easier to "play around" with numbers/recipes. when you find a setup you like. Also, in the way that I personally play, I don't care about utilizing every resource on the map. Nore do I want to have to tailor the numbers on a new "tab" that you can't even "connect" with another. You have to set the new tab up with whatever numbers you're trying to export or input. Honestly though, all I ever see is people just bad mouthing modeler because they don't understand it or something. At the end of the day, different strokes for different folks.

[steel dome]

its confusing i only have 149 hours

[cunning glade]

Cuz I got the 2 s tier copper alt recipes wondering if both are worth too take

[limpid cairn]

You can look stuff up on YouTube

[steel dome]

ok

[upper gale]

With cannons you can sorta just wing-it

[steel dome]

i thought you had to do prescise stuff and it was confusing for me

[upper gale]

Just adjust the angle at the end if needed. Or add/remove ht entrances

[steel dome]

ok

[sullen gull]

Each recipe has it's use-cases. Those 'tiers' were someone's way of trying to min/max. Imo, just keep all the recipes in the list until you want/need them. By the end, if one is contiuing to grather drives and scan them, you will end up with every choice the hard drives have to offer.

[steel dome]

thank you

[upper gale]

You'll want a safe way to land. Bring parachute or jetpack

[steel dome]

ok

[upper gale]

And you can maneuver in the air too

a bit

[sullen gull]

Or lay a U-jelly pad and aim for that 🤣

[strong harbor]

help

[upper gale]

Feels like minecraft water bucket clutch

[upper gale]

we help

[cunning glade]

Ik that but fair I ended up taking both of them but was wondering if that was silly

[cosmic ruin]

hello folks! I hope everyone is doing well

[small notch]

How do you even get parachute I’ve never seen one or used one

[cosmic ruin]

On our game with my friend we made a massive truck system but now when we load the game all the trucks stop after some time

[sullen gull]

I wouldn't say "silly". Just means now you have them and have options. Assuming you're talking about leached and pure copper?

[upper gale]

Might be in the mycelia tree in mam

[small notch]

Ah I’ve never touched mycelia tree

[cunning glade]

Uhhhhh

[cosmic ruin]

we read that there's a bug with trucks on reddit so I was wondering if there's a way to fix it?

[strong harbor]

Unet：connection error

[upper gale]

Touch All The Trees
They're all helpful one way or another

[cosmic ruin]

did any of you come across this issue?

[cunning glade]

One was copper alloy ingot

Other was pure copper I think

[small notch]

Trying to convince my cousin to buy the game, little does he know it will consume him, we must save the puppies and kittens

[hard ivy]

All of my factories are independent, so I don't connect items between factories nor do I want to.
I don't particularly care about world resources, but optimizing for world resources does a pretty good job for optimizing for least effort.

and saying that it's easier to compare recipes in modeler than in tools is an insane take to me. in tools, it's one click to change the recipe. in modeler you have to disconnect or delete the old one, add the new one, and connect it. it takes several times longer. plus you have to check every recipe chain manually. same with tools, but it optimizes for something, so if it didn't choose a recipe, it means it's bad for resource use. that's at least some information you get without checking the entire chain

[sullen gull]

Ahh, gotcha. Either way, no harm/no foul imo

[cunning glade]

Yeah pure and alloy both are legit top of the list Soo they seem pretty good

[cursive phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1419363003161120978/20CBCA1.JPG?ex=68d17c4e&is=68d02ace&hm=daffefdb737d344c28e2af2abddcb52706c806dfd2f641ae265b2c998eeaba57& wich one?

[cunning glade]

This works out so fricking well

I made a rubber and plastic plant and I have so much too use and so many slots take rubber or plastic

[strong harbor]

UNetConnection,Tick: Connection TIMED OUT. Closing connection.. Elapsed: 30.02, Real: 30.02, Good: 30.02, DriverTime: 30.11, Threshold: 30.00, [UNetConnection] RemoteAddr: 47.97.153.27:15777, Name: IpConnection_2147478251, Driver: IpNetDriver_2147478252 IpNetDriver_2147478252, IsServer: NO, PC: NULL Owner: NULL Uniqueld: Steam:1 (76561198201835000)

help

[cosmic ruin]

doesn't anyone have an idea please

[cunning glade]

Downside everything I made should be torn down and remade since I now have the rubber plastic oil loop and it's not as efficient as it could be

[cursive phoenix]

#math-and-meta message wich one do i pick i dunno

[strong harbor]

Using the intranet can connect.

[upper gale]

The world resources thing is just a suggestion though isn't it, couldn't you just enter 0 for everything if you wanted to start with nothing

[sullen gull]

Either way, imo, to consistently bad mouth a "tool" because one doesn't use it, or perhaps understand it, is some bad form imo. (and that isn't as you directly btw, just in general)

[true mulch]

please make a #1038092680493801533 thread with details on what you're trying to join, what platforms of the host/client, dedicated server or not, mods

[strong harbor]

ok thanks

[cursive phoenix]

how do you get plastic?>

[upper gale]

From refinery

[cursive phoenix]

wich tier

[cunning glade]

5 and i think

[upper gale]

Tier 5 - Oil Processing

[cunning glade]

Hey I was right

[cursive phoenix]

aww man

[upper gale]

You'll need oil obv

[sullen gull]

I still say that @fair ingot 's nuclear layout they posted a long while ago is a perfect testament to Modeler's organizational abilities hands down.

[peak wasp]

hı guys

[cursive phoenix]

yea

[hard ivy]

The only tool I badmouth is SCIM's production planner 😂

[cosmic ruin]

Selim kardesim yardim et amk

[cunning glade]

Lol

[true mulch]

I also personally dislike Modeler

the issue with Modeler is that people go out of their way to use a manual planner and then come here asking for help, when an automatic planner (Tools) would've solved it for them

it's kinda frustrating to see posts like "I deliberately used a manual planning tool, can you help me plan this?" when the answer is "use a tool that plans this for you if you can't do it yourself..."

on top of that, the charts are just unreadable

[upper gale]

What was the bug?

[cunning glade]

What the issue?

[sullen gull]

Heh, eh, you've made a good few about modeler as well though 😏 (Though, I tend to agree, out of the three, SCIM is on the bottom of my list as well.) I tend to try and make it a point to just specifically state what I don't or do like about each one. All based on personal opinion and preferred workflow.

[hard ivy]

I don't think I've ever called Modeler a bad program. I just find it mostly useless. but that's me. I can understand someone prefering it for whatever reason, even if I'll never agree.

But SCIM's production planner is the only tool for SF I know about that's actually bad

[cunning glade]

Wait can u tell me what u do and don't like about each cuz that would be good too know what they do better or are worse at

[upper gale]

They all work but some work better or differently

There was a time I only used scim one lol

[sullen gull]

Well, to that I would say, firstly, no one is paying or expecting you to help. Secondly, the majority of questions I have seen relate to when trying to "reuse" materials in modeler. Which, I will agree can be kind of confusing at first. But, I digress back to number one. Just because you don't like something, and don't want to help with it, doesn't make it bad. I'm sure there are plenty of other who do like/use and would be fine stepping in.

[hard ivy]

the issue is that SCIM's planner doesn't always work

[upper gale]

It was awkward to enter the recipes. But it did work

[upper gale]

Oh I see

[peak wasp]

Well

[sullen gull]

I've said them ealier. But again, those are just my personal opinions and shouldn't be used as a metric for if something is better or not better for you. If that makes sense.

[upper gale]

I didn't do too much with it the biggest was a 4/m HMF

[peak wasp]

I ain't gonna play Satisfactory for a while

[shy fog]

the ultimate fail, someone thinking someone else will do all the work for them in a factory building game

[cunning glade]

No I get that but u seem too have more game knowledge than me so I'm curious ur opinion so I can take it into account for if I wanna use them possibly also I didn't see it earlier

[true mulch]

noone is expecting me (as the rat sitting behind the screen) to help, but they still expect to be helped in general
without modeler, I would have been able to help them or they wouldn't have ended up in this situation to begin with
and indeed, if I can't help I don't answer

[oblique prawn]

What’s a temp oil deposit???

[honest ridge]

u should so be able to research at the same time a hard drive is scanning...

[shy fog]

temp oil deposit is what you build before you actually have an oil factory

[upper gale]

Did you die and your death crate is too far

[true mulch]

be happy that all other researches take just 3 seconds, because it didn't use to be that way

[hard ivy]

pretty sure it's a bugged indication of a group with mixed purity

[peak wasp]

No, worse

[oblique prawn]

Well it’s showing up when I scan as 3 oil deposits stacked and when I look on the map it says temp instead of purity

And I go there and it doesn’t exist

[peak wasp]

I spent hours and hours perfectly planning the game out (logistically) for me and my gf, and it's now gonna be a solo run.

[oblique prawn]

Yeah but they just don’t exist

[shy fog]

... that doesn't happen in a non-modified game

[upper gale]

what was it before?

[cunning glade]

Make a post and find another person too play with

[hard ivy]

never had a scanner show me a node that didn't exist

[true mulch]

everything took a couple of minutes, akin to milestones

[peak wasp]

It's also that I can't pay Satisfactory as it'll hurt to play

Hurt mentally that is

[oblique prawn]

Yeah that’s what I though aswell but they just aren’t there

[cunning glade]

What

[shy fog]

bounce on space whaleticks

[true mulch]

sorry to hear that, a break would be the best thing to do for yourself

[sullen gull]

I think, at the end of the day, I prefer Modelers workflow much more than the other two. It just works very well for my own personal play style. Additionally, as a personal choice, I use ad block and don't feel it fair to the author to use their site they are expecting some kick-back for from the ad revenue. But, the latter has nothing to do with it's abilities of course.

[shy fog]

unless you are physically hurt...

[peak wasp]

I'm just gonna plan the logistics better

If I even touch that game ima break down

[cunning glade]

What and how

[peak wasp]

So that means I can be more efficient

Plan out every node

[shy fog]

ah... the social side of gaming

take a break, read a webcomic (perhaps wayne family adventures) or something

[peak wasp]

Freddy Fazbear X Justin Bieber

[cunning glade]

Yeah just take a break till u have withdrawals

[shy fog]

they just had an update where Damien deals with a bully and the principals office 😛

[cunning glade]

That's what I do the withdrawals they start eventually

[shy fog]

||Talia shows up||

[peak wasp]

How good of a pc would it take to use every node in the game

[shy fog]

... mine

[cunning glade]

I have a 12700k and 7900xtx and this game runs so fricking good

[upper gale]

How many frames you're okay with is the real question

[cunning glade]

I have 240ish fps at like max 4k and I'm using fsr4

[hard ivy]

use at all? not very. use efficiently? the best you can physically get right now

[peak wasp]

All of the nodes

[upper gale]

Well damn

[cunning glade]

With fsr4 on the 7000 series there is no reason for me too get a 5090

[hard ivy]

you can plug all of the nodes straight to the sink and "use" them that way 🤷‍♂️

[peak wasp]

I mean use efficiently

[shy fog]

you kinda need to break logic to use everything

[peak wasp]

Have a giga factory that everything goes to

[cunning glade]

That old guy that plays this game did that

[hard ivy]

then that's basically doing max sink points. except you're powering it with nuclear instead of rocket fuel

[cunning glade]

Forget his name his yt pops up a lot tho

[shy fog]

ironically though while I have a super computer that allows me to do everything with a massive factory... I didn't build a massive factory. In fact I have a microfactory

[upper gale]

Using all nodes that go to a giga factory
This seem like a bad idea

[peak wasp]

Very

[hard ivy]

so like I said, probably need the best PC you can get

[shy fog]

today's goal (because I'm insane) is quantum encoding

my factory consists of two screenshots

the oil part, the main part

[ivory condor]

And it still won't be enough

[shy fog]

welcome to the party slech

[ivory condor]

im always lurking around👀

[hard ivy]

by my estimates, it should be enough thanks to U8's and 1.0's optimizations. 9800X3D should be able to hit playable FPS I think. and by playable I mean 15+

[cunning glade]

I'll prolly do smaller factorys that make one thing too supply much bigger ones that make a variety of things we will see

[shy fog]

I am about to finish the turbomotor part for my insane goal of not building a massive factory

[cunning glade]

I need too start building vertically

[shy fog]

Josh did that

[wary perch]

I want a party where it’s revealed my coffee cup can have different liquids in satisfactory

[shy fog]

nice name, wana be silly and fill your coffee cup with water? Get hit by an alien power source into any body of water

you can stand up underwater and build as normal

[ivory condor]

Maybe, try and share results

Also I would be interested in testing such a save if one is made

[hard ivy]

the issue is I don't have a 9800X3D

[cunning glade]

Trying too decide if I should get one

[ivory condor]

i dont either, but i would still be interested in testing such a save regardless

[cunning glade]

Surprisingly the 12700k doesn't CPU limit me in this game

[ivory condor]

mainly because i have never tried this so i don't know how playable for me

[cunning glade]

But 10800x3d will be soonish

[shy fog]

I need to go build my turbomotors now, back in a bit

[atomic notch]

I joined a game once they told me to not look east. I did and my game crashed hahaha

[cunning glade]

Is it Worth making a custom loop just too take it apart for a CPU and ram replacement

[sullen gull]

I'll test it (9800x3d, but only a 4070TI :P) if someone wants to send the save 🤣

[hard ivy]

the GPU does not matter lol

[cunning glade]

I'm still gpu limited so it does too

Once I can do 800w it might change

[shy fog]

brutal honesty: the highest end pc users always make it a functional thing rather than pretty

[shy mulch]

What coordinates are they at

[cunning glade]

That's what my first pc was

No RGB just black and was 12700k 6900xt

[sullen gull]

I believe thier saying that resource useage and such (I believe) is all cpu base. And atempting to utilize all resources on the map is going to be very cpu intensiv in this case.

[hard ivy]

can confirm 🤣

[cunning glade]

Now I want a nice looking PC and I need high cooling capacity

[hard ivy]

currently considering going back to air cooling tbh

[sullen gull]

Haha .... first pc's .... ahhhh, the good ol' Tandy 3100 🤣

[ivory condor]

True, most of the late game seems to be cpu limited, basically all saves I have tested become cpu bottlenecked

Its pretty easy to tell as the gpu usage drops

[cunning glade]

I like air cooling it just isn't optimal at like 700w

[shy fog]

I remember being the liquid nitrogen pourer for a crew that blew up an AMD chip... good times

[cunning glade]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xnWRdb this is my next build very excited for it although I may skip the CPU and wait till next gen

[sullen gull]

Ooooh, decapping the old athlons ... 🤤

[shy fog]

I wasn't actually important to the entire group. My job was "if it gets this low add it in until it's this high"

[cunning glade]

I wish next gen would have more lanes CPU wise

[hard ivy]

pretty sure the aricooled 5090s handle themselves just fine on open benches. so with a well ventilated case, they should be fine as well

[shy fog]

primarily because I had no funds in it

[cunning glade]

See that's the 5090 designed for 600w

My 7900xtx is only designed for 480w

[noble topaz]

How do you interact with a storage container from outside of a building without it looking bad? The closest thing I've gotten to it was letting the container be clipped into a wall to let me interact with it

[shy fog]

I can merely claim "It was awesome, the cpu exploded and parts were lodged in the tiles in the roof"

[hard ivy]

I mean building a CLC loop was fun and it's performant. but it's expensive and a maintenance and upgrade nightmare

[shy fog]

after that I was no longer invited because they started making it somewhat a goal... kids weren't invited anymore

[sullen gull]

Could try using a coveyor hole wall.

[upper gale]

Conveyor wall hole

[sullen gull]

Not sure it would match any look you mnay be going for though.

[shy fog]

went very fast from "We blew up the CPU!" to "WE BLEW UP A CPU NEXT TO A KID!"

[cunning glade]

Upgrading sure

[ivory condor]

7.5k, we have a spender here

[cunning glade]

Maintenance wise u don't have too really do anything till 4 years if built properly

[cunning glade]

That's with my first pc as well but the GPU is the pricey part

I only have 4k too buy

First pc was 3k mainly cuz of 6900xt being 1400$

GPU crisis was so much fun

[noble topaz]

That only lets me put a conveyor belt though it, not interact with it from the outside #screenshots message

That's what I did to make it work

[cunning glade]

Made the 7900xtx cheaper in comparison well doing over 50% better in 4k

[upper gale]

Indeed #satisfactory message

[cunning glade]

7900xtx is just so good value wise it's insane

Untill rt

[shy fog]

the best way to keep your computer modern enough is to just go stepping stones... get a board which accepts a good cpu, learn the maximum ram it can take and what you can afford of it, transfer all you have until you need to upgrade it because your gpu isn't good enough or hard drives fail

[ivory condor]

I can dream of getting 240ish fps at max 4k, in reality thats not happening

[cunning glade]

Well I'm still on ddr4 rn

[upper gale]

Real lol

[cunning glade]

And with fsr4 it looks so nice

[upper gale]

Not on satisfactory, for me

[ivory condor]

funny im on ddr5 and still couldnt get that

[cunning glade]

I can get up too 300 if I go too preformace

And it still looks good

I stay on quality tho

No point in being 4k if u use below quality upscaling

[ivory condor]

maybe one day when i can afford a rtx 6090

[cunning glade]

Tbh

Next gen amd might be on top

[shy fog]

none of the high end maximum output matters if your monitor can't display it...

[upper gale]

On satis fps is heavily influenced by how much you're looking at in game

[ivory condor]

well nvidia did drop the ball this gen, so amd can catch up now definitely

[cunning glade]

With redstone and 2x rt preformace uplift and 4x AI rumoured

[ivory condor]

nvidia basically had 2 years and the best they could do was a refresh

[cunning glade]

Dude and the 7900xtx is so close too the 5090

[ivory condor]

amd has a real chance to catch up to nvidia now as a result

[noble topaz]

That only lets me put a conveyor belt though it, not interact with it from the outside #screenshots message

That's what I did to make it work

[cunning glade]

#off-topic-tech for 7900xtx vs 5090

The fps difference is like 20 or less

For 3x the price lol

[sullen gull]

Not sure if you were using the stand alone conveyor wall hole, but we were talking about the wall buildables with the hole already in it:
#screenshots message

[ivory condor]

4x AI is useless for gaming, even MFG has very limited applications for gaming, mainly because you need a high refresh rate to get any use out of it to begin with

[cunning glade]

Not with fsr4

[ivory condor]

outside business application, gaming wise AI has still limited benefit

[cunning glade]

It uses AI too upscale no?

Same with afmf2 also ai

Both would be better no?

[ivory condor]

im unsure of amds solution

[cunning glade]

That's why it's only on 9000

It needs AI and ml stuff

[ivory condor]

but one can see the rapid diminishing returns for AI for gaming, outside of DLSS improvements that are non fake frame generation, 50 series has basically been a complete wash out, very disappointing

[cunning glade]

7900xtx has that so it can use it at a like prolly 5-10% fps loss

Agreed but amds raster is amazing check off topic tech if u didn't

[ivory condor]

the only good thing that came from 50 series was the improved transformer model, but that benefits other gens besides 50 series

[shy fog]

I find it really weird that people think that anything currently developed has AI in it in any format

[cunning glade]

And they caught up with Ray tracing preformace this gen

[sullen gull]

I like AI ... she treats me right! 😏

Oh .. we were talking about AI in gaming ....

[harsh valley]

After starting a new save i realised once again the luxury of not having to constantly hand craft everything

[sullen gull]

-# walks away now

[ivory condor]

well yes thats true....this ai we have is still pretty primitive, its basically algorithms guessing what pixels are going to be on a screen at least for gaming, which overall isnt that impressive

[limpid cairn]

ada can still treat you right dw

[ivory condor]

aka this isnt even close to AGI

[sullen gull]

Pssssh, she's got the hawts for the mercer men 🙁

[shy fog]

it really isn't AI... it's not even VI...

[sullen gull]

I'm just a tool to her 😭

[ivory condor]

one thing it is though, is advanced marketing materials that companies use to lure in investors

aka that nvidia is getting really good at doing now

[shy fog]

it's a predictive algorithm, quite literally... it makes guesses at what is most likely and hopes it's right

[ivory condor]

but boy these people are going to lose so much money once this bs pops

i cant feel sorry for them because i know its going to happen but still

[shy fog]

there was even an actual ai company that just had a few hundred people in India responding to things in real time

hilarious shit

[ivory condor]

[hard ivy]

something might come from it if it becomes more power efficient, but with current power efficiency it's just a money sink

[shy fog]

grok isn't even VI, it's just a chatbot designed to retrieve data and process it

the most comical thing right now is that there's an actual project in the building I work in that is attempting to automate sorting of boxes

[ivory condor]

thats also a problem definitely, im not sure how long most of these companies are going to keep burning through capital because of that money sink, but sure the investors dont have infinite capital either

[shy fog]

I expect it to fail spectacularly

[leaden turret]

Wondering what any of this wall of text has to do with Satisfactory

[ivory condor]

which is why im just wondering when this is all going to pop, because it cant keep going, surely anyways

[hard ivy]

it did, 10 minutes ago

[steel dome]

how do you automate turbo fuel or do you have to keep refilling the production with the biomass

[hard ivy]

bro what

[shy fog]

valid point Marv. I'm currently building the in game AI limiter 😛

need them for the supercomputers I'm about to build, then we kinda spiral

[upper gale]

Yeah what Tinker said, it's the wall piece that already has the hole in it

[shy fog]

also I'm at quantum encoding as an objective on my microfactory

[hard ivy]

wtf does turbofuel have in common with biomass other than both being fuels

[shy fog]

extended use duration

[steel dome]

you need the type of biomass to make it right

[hard ivy]

you mean liquid biofuel?

[shy fog]

biofuel is a mix that is slightly less automatable

[sullen gull]

Possibly just a misunderstanding of the 'fuel' mechanics and progression.

[steel dome]

yes

[shy fog]

I believe it's better for jetpack though

[noble topaz]

I used the individual wall piece, but I'll try the wall hole piece

[hard ivy]

like all biofuel, it's impossible to fully automate. but like, you only need a tiny amount for the jetpack so it doesn't matter that it's manual

[steel dome]

oh ok

[sullen gull]

Typically, you progress from using biofuel (liquid or solid) to using coal. Then eventually to liquid fuels (except for LBF, though that is great for early game jetpack)

[upper gale]

I used it in my old save #screenshots message

[shy fog]

confirm: biofuel does work better for jetpack

[sullen gull]

Heh, tbf, they did say Turbo Fuel in the initial question 😏

[steel dome]

yes thats it turbo fuel

[sullen gull]

LBF and Ionized are the two goats imo

[steel dome]

how would you automate it

[hard ivy]

that's why I was confused

[steel dome]

sorry i forgot its name

[shy fog]

I'm being silly on my exploration of areas and just building power poles around the map as I go with the hoverpack

[hard ivy]

turbofuel doesn't take biomass to make?

[sullen gull]

Go hard drive hunting and find the HOR alt and the diluted fuel alts. Then tap an oil node or few and follow the reciepes.

[shy fog]

laugh like all heck when the spiders jump off cliffs trying to kill me

[steel dome]

HOR?

[sullen gull]

Heavy Oil Residue.

[steel dome]

ok ill put my hard drives in the mam

[sullen gull]

Though, unless you've already unlocked oil processing (and maybe another) it won't come up.

[steel dome]

i have got oil proscessing

im working on phase 4

[shy fog]

save 2 for M.A.M.

[sullen gull]

Though, unless doing a personal challenge, why anyone would be all the way to oil and still on biofuels .... 🤷‍♂️

[upper gale]

Rip anyone saying this in voice chat

Also RIP can mean reinforced iron plates

[sullen gull]

I would say :H.O.R. 😏

[steel dome]

hold on one second

oh crap i made a mistake

[shy fog]

well undoing mistakes is what the build gun is for

[steel dome]

im sorry ill work on getting turbo fuel

[sullen gull]

It happens.

[steel dome]

thanks

[sullen gull]

No need to be sorry mate. It's all an expierence 🙂

[shy fog]

take your time, hurry up, the choice is yours so don't be late

[steel dome]

thank you

[shy fog]

(says the guy in over 400 hours on first completion)

[rustic hare]

I would intentionally hear it as H.O.A

[cunning glade]

That's me but that's cuz I didn't wanna get past steel till 1.0

[sullen gull]

Lol.... uuuugh ... shudders ... That's like ... a bad curse word! 🤣

[cunning glade]

Well at 300 rn

[shy fog]

hey good, you should be aware that my factory is two screenshots

I started with an alien power source... and have barely anything automated, only one manufacturer

and I'm in phase 5 🙂

[sullen gull]

Heh, current save is at 1,994... game time ... 4075 🤣

[cunning glade]

Me?

[shy fog]

no no no, not total time... my total time is 10,526 hours

I've restarted like... a metric button of times

and I am STILL annoyed by the fact that hand builds are not accurate

[sullen gull]

Heh, started with inital EA release?

[shy fog]

steam, yes

[sullen gull]

I only started in U8, so all that's over the last year 😒

I didn't get to experience all the trials and tribulations of the games upbringing 😭 🤣

[shy fog]

I don't really expect the manual build tracking to ever be fixed really

should be, but nah... the game is about automation and here I am not doing 98% of it

[sullen gull]

Ugh, I have been stressing and overthinking this same dumb build for over a week now 🤣 #screenshots message

Nothing really there... yet .. but I am trying to build a powershard and matrix or ionized facility ....

[shy fog]

problem 1: you're thinking. don't think, make it work the first time, be happy with it working

pasta is love, pasta is life

also I need to fly back to my primary factory now... I've finished my AI limiters...

[sullen gull]

First I wanted to utilize the spire and build on top ... but wasn't liking that. Now I am kind of thinking I want to just build a front facade and utilize the structure as a frame work ....

It's the "tendril" bits that are fuk'n with me I think 🤣

[cunning glade]

I find thinking about this game doesn't help

If I'm not actively building I don't stress over how a factory will work

Cuz anything in my head never works in game

[shy fog]

the pretty is for the architechts

[cunning glade]

Just causes stress imo

[shy fog]

or #design-and-architecture

[sullen gull]

Lol, The 'production' part is easy... I stress too much about making things WAY less blocky and more 'part' of the terrain. And besides, out side of hard drugs, any one's got a method for turning off that thinking part, let me know 🤣

[sullen gull]

Ya ya I know ... just merely attempting to tap a varied group of insights ... hence in #general 😏

[shy fog]

Walking. Just walk around the block or for 30 minutes. You'll stop thinking about other things after a while

it's why treadmills are popular

[hard ivy]

that'll do the opposite of making me not think lmao

[shy fog]

no, you walk, nothing but walk, keep your pace, focus ONLY on the walk

[cunning glade]

Now is this easy no cuz I have really bad anxiety and ADHD and always overthink everything

[shy fog]

become dog

||do not sniff butts||

[hard ivy]

that's not how this works

[cunning glade]

Weed and that isn't a hard drug

[sullen gull]

I've done/do walking, cycling, running, swimming ... outside of maybe swiming, those just send my brain into over drive... Body is already busy doing it's thing, easy to 'auto pilot' and the brain is like 'Hey, how could we make this" "Why does x do y" "why is the earth flat"..... 😏

[cunning glade]

Weeds so much better than alc

It also seems tinker having another person opinion might help

[sullen gull]

As I sit here and puff 🤣 . Only thing that slows things down sadly.

[winged hinge]

hiiiiiiiiiiiii

i have one question about trains

[cunning glade]

Do a dab that's what I do although this is the one game where I will actually play before smoking

[shy fog]

trains are awesome, and doc has a lot of tutorial videos

[sullen gull]

CHoo Choo mUtha ... oh ... wha?

[winged hinge]

one of my trains takes resourcces out of a station despite them not being in its plan

is that a bug or do they always do that?

[cunning glade]

What

[winged hinge]

that was very funny

[shy fog]

does the train have to go thru the resource station and stop?

[winged hinge]

yes

[shy fog]

then that is the problem, no bypass

[winged hinge]

._.

[sullen gull]

Could probably continue this convo elsewhere though 😏

[winged hinge]

i dislike that

[cunning glade]

Fair

I'm at work and I wanna go use the 20 alt recipes I got

[shy fog]

the effect of stopping should only be for trains going to it, other trains should be able to avoid it entirely

[winged hinge]

okay time to make a new unique train station i guess

[winged hinge]

yes but it takes specific resources out of the station wich arent in the trains plan to take from it

[shy fog]

in other words A is for trains going north, B is for trains going south, C is for trains stopping here and connects to A and B but won't run into passing trains

[winged hinge]

my problem is that it takes modular frames wehn its told to only load off items

the modular frames are for a diffrent train

[shy fog]

... wait... the station is unloading?

[winged hinge]

that i havent set up yet

[winged hinge]

yes

onto the train

[shy fog]

and it's supposed to not be?

[cunning glade]

If I wanted too do a playthrough with all alt recipes at what points would I need too get all hard drives

[winged hinge]

it is not supposed to put it on that train

[cunning glade]

Cuz like I wanna do a new game plus playthrough

[winged hinge]

but on a diffrent one

[cunning glade]

Ig mods would be the best idea

[shy fog]

stations either have a load or unload mentality, nothing else

no conditional load/unload mechanics for piece of train

[winged hinge]

i know

thats not my problem

[cunning glade]

As it would be cool too have the alts before making stuff

[winged hinge]

ill make an audio real quicj if its ok

[shy fog]

probably just need to see Doc's videos about trains

[winged hinge]

ill write teh issue out more clerarly, one second

[shy fog]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LG7k1Ed9wXU this is doc's tutorial

[cunning glade]

Are u saying the train goes thru a station not on the time table and loads or unload at it

Either that or if ur doing diff resources

U need 1 cart per resource

I'm confused man

[shy mulch]

I think I may have overengineered this base. I have stuff going over 1km on belts AFTER it gets unloaded from a train lol

[shy fog]

doc's also did stupid things: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zFl_hWpsfS0

second video is probably your solution @winged hinge

[winged hinge]

i am loading modular frames into the part of the station that will load them on train B. Train B isnt set up yet.
Train A stops at teh station and is supposed to only load off resources, wich is set up and works. Train A has no command to take any resources in on the station.
However, Train A does take in Modular frames, despite all the cargo carts being in station parts that unload resources from the train.

[teal dove]

I'm new to the game and I was wondering if I want too make a server that I will play for my whole time playing the game which map should I use and where on the map to go. Any tips

[zenith fractal]

wdzm which map_

[cunning glade]

All the same map

[shy fog]

yep, video B is your solution

[winged hinge]

okay thank you

[zenith fractal]

just different spawn points

same map

[cunning glade]

Northern forest is my favorite personally

[teal dove]

Oh ok

[teal dove]

Thanks

[shy mulch]

beautiful

[shy fog]

if doc has helped you out remember to leave a like

[zenith fractal]

personally I like both deserts

[cunning glade]

Only spawn I haven't done is the dune but if it's ur first time idk if I rec the dune

[teal dove]

Ok thanks

[cunning glade]

Especially if ur having new friends

[cunning glade]

Also rec going in blind but ask here if u don't understand

Exploring is very valuable btw especially early

[winged hinge]

okay it works now thank yoou :D

weird that you have to toggle that

[shy fog]

leave a like on doc's video

[cunning glade]

And ig if ur playing on it the whole time foundations are amazing but ion wanna spoil too much more

[shy fog]

wasn't me that really helped you out, was him

[hollow quarry]

what is module "SML"

can't open the game

[cunning glade]

Satisfactory mod loader?

[hollow quarry]

VERY OLD

[shy fog]

verified your files Nerd'ex?

[cunning glade]

What

[shy fog]

there are many mods that are horribly out of date as well

[cunning siren]

It sounds like you took Idle gaming to another level in this game my friend 🤔

[sullen gull]

Ideally, where you start isn't super consequential. If you are doing this for a server, the whole map would be your "oyster". Having said that, I personally like the Rocky desert. Up around the water fall area specifically.

[cunning glade]

Yeah wait what I just read that

[hollow quarry]

i reinstalled it yesterday, had it uninstalled for a while

[cunning glade]

If I had too handcraft all the stuff for the foundations I've used I'd be dead

[shy fog]

which version did you install

steam or that other one?

[sharp sentinel]

So... If I want water from like 1km down I need like 3 pumps right?

[hollow quarry]

steam ofc

[shy mulch]

wth, theres's people handcrafting foundations? I'm tearing my hair out because I keep running out even though it's very well automated ><

[hollow quarry]

there is another one?

[shy fog]

alright, for just safety try the verificaiton tool

[hollow quarry]

just verified didnt help

[shy fog]

epic games if I remember...

[rancid flume]

15gw fuel generators finally completed

now i have thee power to start plastic/rubber!

[hollow quarry]

ohh dont kind, thought you mean pirate XD

[rancid flume]

was hoping for diluted fuel so i could quadruple this lol

[shy mulch]

1km down? a mk1 pump gives you 20m of headlift, a mk2 pump gives you 50m of headlift. So to move liquid up 1km vertical pipe you'd need either 50 mk1 pumps or 20 mk2 pumps

[shy fog]

na, never pirate a good game, support developers

[hollow quarry]

i dont even have any mods installed

[cunning glade]

Diluted fuel an alt recipe?

[shy fog]

anyways it's possible you have ancient save files that are broken

[rancid flume]

i beleive so?

unless im trippin

[shy fog]

how long ago did you last play?

[cunning glade]

As do I but I'm at home

[hollow quarry]

either right before or doing the 1.0 release

[cunning siren]

Oh dayum, color the train cars with the stations the same color! 🤔 That seems like a super simple way to help keep it simple

[shy fog]

then about a year or so back

[hollow quarry]

considering i have no achievemnts, before that them

[sharp sentinel]

#screenshots message

Maybe I'm wrong, I shall hope so.

[shy fog]

alright, are you attached to your old saves or are you looking to start anew?

[cunning glade]

Wait what

I can have purple trains?

[shy fog]

orange, neon green, etc

customizer bro

[hollow quarry]

new, trying to find the files XD

[sullen gull]

You'all didn't know you can color almost all the things?

[cunning glade]

Can someone give me the color code for purple so I have it for when I'm home in 3 hours💜

[cunning siren]

Well, this guy was using it to demonstrate things they were saying AND I was thinking why not use that to keep things simple? 🤷 #satisfactory message

[shy fog]

C:\Users\Username\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[shy mulch]

That doesn't look like 1km, nowhere near it. Maybe you're measuring incorrectly. The highest point of land on the map is only 488m above sea level

[sullen gull]

Lol, google on your phone!

[cunning siren]

Why not both?

[sharp sentinel]

Anyone else encountered a bug where your markers don't disappear after you delete them?

[cunning glade]

Yeah but I'm at work trying to do stuff

[sullen gull]

No you're not! You're here chatting with us! 🤣

[hollow quarry]

deleted some stuff that looked like mods (appearently uninstalling from the mod loader wasnt good enough) and it worked, i should prob verify files before creating a world to make sure i didnt delete anything importent

[cunning glade]

I most definitely am at work rn

[cunning siren]

YEEEESSSS! Hit the X key y'all

[cunning glade]

However I said trying too do stuff

[sullen gull]

Lol, wasn't doubting that mate. Just that you're at work, chatting here 😏

[shy fog]

poarty on, and PLEASE remember to do your P.O.O.P.

[cunning glade]

Fair

[hollow quarry]

... what kind of acronym is that?
-# if that is an acrynym

[shy fog]

it's in game, trust the process

[sullen gull]

Lol, it's from the game

[shy fog]

Pioneer Obligitory Onboarding Program

[hollow quarry]

lol

[cunning glade]

Anyone here seen alien earth sperate topic but it's fire y'all should watch it

2 more days final episode of the Season

[sullen gull]

Be sure to look at all the "model numbers" of the machines too 😏

[hollow quarry]

👍

[cunning siren]

Yesterday I started to make a set of schemes for a new run and I started to use the 8 and 9 color schemes to demonstrate inputs and outputs as sometimes that can get confused. I also started to color the factory to indicate if it's a "Front input Front output" or a "Rear input Front output" variation. It's like a sort of naming convention but with colors 🤷

[wise junco]

I need a pep talk

[peak wasp]

Anyways...I enjoy trucks

[sullen gull]

So, due to the lack of being able to add new schemes... I would also save your colors as presets fyi.

[wise junco]

someone please tell me that when I have my train network set up, it will actually be worth the time

[peak wasp]

But I'm curious if I should use trains for my iron

[cunning glade]

Make global train network

Then make sub station too take it too main factory

[wise junco]

that's what I'm doing. even with blueprints... boy, the time investment

[sullen gull]

I use : LiRo, RiRo, RiLo, etc.

[cunning glade]

I just mega printed cuz ik I wanted it perfect and that would've taken forever

Am I lazy maybe I like it tho

[cunning siren]

I use FIFO BIFO "Front input Front output" or a "Rear input Front output"

[shy fog]

oh it's never going to be worth the time initially, but when you have learned how to make a train work you will make a lot of progress. Then you learn how much it can be done to improve everything. Finally you'll begin making loop de loops and crashing because we're all toddlers at heart.

[wise junco]

I'm trying to like outline one region at a time, and then work on setting up the in between routes

[wise junco]

I know how they work, just never went this grand scale on setting up infrastructure. It's painful. I'm having trouble seeing the forest for the trees haha

[shy fog]

and if you need to toddler out a massive train wreck remember THE ADAMS FAMILY has a massive train set they use exclusviely to crash trains

or Josh... he dabbled in train wrecks also

wasn't he also trying to make working jumping train tracks?

[sullen gull]

Yeah yeah, same diff. Sorry, had assumed from the last comment that you were putting the full description lol. On that though, before I started making machine BP's with no foundations, I used to put signs to indicate item/qty for the respective ins and outs.

[wise junco]

what a madman

[shy fog]

madness takes it's toll, please have exact change

[cunning siren]

OH yea, that's a good tool I do not use very often

[wise junco]

never heard that. freaking love it

[sullen gull]

I keep asking, when I'm asked "Would there be anything else?' for some sanity.... everyone always seems to be fresh out 😏

[shy fog]

fresh out? never stocked it in the first place

[cunning glade]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/megaprints/index/details/id/1504/name/Simple+Global+Railway+Network+V.1.0 something like this is pretty nice but up too u if u wanna take the route

I personally like blueprints and prints in general

I work a lot and don't wanna spend like 10 hours at least making a train network around the world but that's me

If it's not perfect I hate it

[sullen gull]

That one's good. Hornslets version though ❤️

[cunning glade]

That's what popped up first

[small notch]

I just got soap in a paper cut 👍

[limpid cairn]

Does the work include satisfactory or only include money ?

[cunning glade]

Only money

[cunning glade]

Agreed https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/megaprints/index/details/id/1260/name/Global+Rail+Network+4.0+for+Satisfactory+v1.0 this is the one I'm using

[small notch]

Not gonna be able to waste away on this game, going on holiday for 2 weeks 😩

[leaden turret]

😎💻
🪑⛱️

[sullen gull]

I started a save with this one... first thing I did was try to build a "central command base" at the top of the 'battery bulb' lol

[outer scarab]

I'm thinking of droping $2k on a laptop to play this on holiday for 4 months

[shy fog]

no. 2k laptops are overheating monsters of ineffiency

[cunning siren]

I have yet to mess around with mods or megaprints mostly because I don't build megabases, I mess with trains sometimes and most of the time same small job can be done with a belt "sky high way". Maybe things will change IDK 🤷

[outer scarab]

youre right, ill stick to my roms on my shitty $500 laptop

[cunning siren]

4 month holiday? Dayum, if I'm reading that correctly why not bring the desktop? 🤷

[cunning glade]

Real at that point

Can't u do remote Play?

Thru Xbox

Or steam even

A steam deck would prolly be worth

That's what comes too my mind

[wise junco]

anyone played this much on steam deck? would love to play on the go but iffy about investing if it can't handle well

[cunning glade]

2k on a laptop way too much

[cunning siren]

Oh right, stream the desktop is popluar these days

[shy fog]

steamdecks are plausable to play satisfactory, but have the problem of overheating to deal with also

[cunning glade]

Just play on low settings

[shy fog]

but really if you're on a laptop while on vacation... are you really on vacation?

[cunning glade]

I'm sure it can do it

[shy fog]

a vacation is always about going somewhere, doing something, using everything of yourself and time to enjoy the vacation

if you are using time for anything other than that then it's no longer really a vacation

and if you want to just veg out and satisfactory you can staycation

[cunning glade]

Hey man satisfactory withdrawals are real

[wise junco]

^

[cunning glade]

I'm at work rn talking in here cuz I wanna play

I got 20 alt recipes unlocked last night

All really good ones and now it's time for computer and hmf factory

3 more hours too go

[shy fog]

someone needs to rewrite that song and I am not able to because my brain is chaos and easily distracted

"I wana satisfactory" as opposed to "I wana be sedated"

[cunning siren]

Ramones - I Wanna Be Sedated, good tune

[shy fog]

also because I'm seriously brainfarting I keep trying to mix Phineas and Ferb with power rangers season 1 american intro atm...

I'd send it to "There I ruined it" but they don't take requests and I have no idea where to begin

dangnit... now I need to look up the lyrics and start re-writing the ramones song only for it to never be heard because I have no idea how they autotune and rewrite songs

ADHD, the cause of and solution to my entertainment

[outer scarab]

its on a boat

doing a world cruise

[marble tusk]

can i have some help to create a server ?

[outer scarab]

what do you mean?

[sullen gull]

#dedicated-servers

[marble tusk]

thx

[rough rock]

Hey guys does anyone know if tractors and trucks are reliable enough that i can use them early on for large scale logistic planning?

[sullen gull]

Reliability depends on the route you record.

[rough rock]

i'm really confused, some people say they can go on the same path, others say they won't work, others say they will queue automaticaqlly?

[shy fog]

trucks are stage 1, to learn how to path

[sullen gull]

All personal expierence issues imo. Same with trains, some people "get em" others maybe not so much.

[shy fog]

rails are stage 2, faster and don't crash

[hard ivy]

I'd say don't bother. it will not save you time compared to just laying belts

[shy fog]

(usually don't crash)

[sullen gull]

Well, still could crash 😏

[rough rock]

Yeah i just lost like 6 hours trying to make my nice logistics system for nothing

[shy fog]

upgrade it!

[rough rock]

that one old guy on the internet playing satisfactory says he's a huge fan of trucks

[shy fog]

if you know how a truck can drive from A to B, you know how a Railroad from A to B looks

you effectively saved all that time in making a route

[cunning siren]

Damn man 4 month world cruise sounds baller AF

[sullen gull]

The thing with vehicles is that they can get "finiky" on open terrain, so people spend a lot of time building a road, which brings other questions/issues. For trucks, I say try at best to use the 'natural paths' when can (throughly cleared of rocks/trees of course), Drive the route back and forth a few times to get get a feel, then record, take it slow, delete and erroneous nodes, adjust times at stations, and they can work great!

[rough rock]

yeah...

[shy fog]

Spec... I got thru the first two bars and now I can't focus on it anymore...

because my brain said "I must start" and my ADHD said "ooo look a distraction"
To the tune of I Wanna Be Sedated
Song by Ramones ‧ 1978

50 50 50 Smart Plating to build
I think I need a factory
Too much plant life so change it to fuel
I think I need a factory

Just throw down some foundation and wires to maintain
Iron Copper Limestone It's time to go upgrade
We're running out of plant life the power grid went down
Oh no, oh no, oh no!

(For anyone who can feel free to take it and run)

[odd crescent]

is there a way to make trees regrow without save editor

[shy fog]

nope, but you can transition to coal quite easily

[hard ivy]

mods probably

[odd crescent]

yeah ik i just like the trees and wanted to replace them, when i moved to coal

[shy fog]

then skip destroying the landscape entirely

option 1: M.A.M. research into alien megafauna

option 2: go straight to alien power source

[hard ivy]

challenge idea: do not burn anything. APA, Geothermal and Nuclear only

[cursive phoenix]

#math-and-meta message

[shy fog]

KYO... I started with the alien power

you can technically just save up power also and thus never burn anything

[dull flare]

they create more problems than they solve

[hard ivy]

zero biomass? impressive

[dull flare]

how to plan factories

[shy fog]

I could technically avoid using any other power source also...

[hard ivy]

10 APAs is only 10 GW tho

I mean you could complete the game on just that

[shy fog]

and you can build an infinite amount of power storage

the only limiting factor is that the first one only gives you 550

but that can power you thru coal production

[cunning siren]

I did a "never waste any power ever" run before. Basically store everything all the time and never reach 100% battery

[cursive phoenix]

how long does it take for animals to despawn?>

[shy fog]

outside the flys they don't

[cunning siren]

As fast as you can kill them

[cursive phoenix]

the big guys

like their corpses

[shy fog]

oh... dead things... usually as soon as you collect the remains and look away

[cursive phoenix]

ait

[solar hamlet]

Cant decide whats a good number for babies first modular frame factory 😄 8 seems low but its also quite annoying to build with T2 belts... so probably 4 but

[hollow quarry]

huh what did i step into? why is there a disco party in the hub?

[cursive phoenix]

It neverr leaces dw

[shy mulch]

Do whatever one machine can output. If you need more later, expand it. No reason to build bigger just for the sake of it

[solar hamlet]

Guess 6 could be ok with T2 belts and iron wire

[hard ivy]

I just build whatever beacause I'm gonna rebuild it in tier 5 anyway

[shy mulch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/557603412565426196/1415321268378538024

[shy fog]

1.0 aniversary

[crisp barn]

I hate liquids in this game

[shy fog]

liquids are primarily about "did I start it high enough"

[crisp barn]

Ive been trying to calibrate the aluminium for the last hour

[atomic notch]

Sounds fun

[cunning siren]

I'm a big fan of standardized modular design in general AND I appreciate the manifold and very upgradable belt systems in this game to make all that happen 🤔 easy to make things happen with tools like that

[hard ivy]

if you have to "calibrate" anything, you're doing something wrong

[cunning siren]

Do the math before the build is how I roll on average: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[crisp barn]

I did, but because aluminium has a water loop even small deviation causes problems

[cunning siren]

If the water loop is giving you problems, it's likely it's a pipe prime issue. OR you can skip the whole damn "issue" and use wet concrete to eat the "waste water"

[crisp barn]

not enough water -> not enough aluminium -> not enough water

[atomic notch]

Dont loop the water then lol

[crisp barn]

well I need to put it somewhere

[hard ivy]

or if you do, prioritize the waste water

[atomic notch]

Just put it somewhere else

[crisp barn]

and building a packager just to dump water is too much effort

[cunning siren]

Wet concrete

[crisp barn]

dont have yet

[cunning siren]

Ooof

[atomic notch]

Any recipes that uses water can also use waste water

Its like free water

[hard ivy]

or use a VIP to prioritize the byproduct water. or package, use a prio merger, then unpackage

[crisp barn]

vip?

[hard ivy]

variable input priority junction

allows you to use one source of water first, then the other

[cunning siren]

IS that a mod?

[hard ivy]

it's in the plumbing manual in #math-and-meta pins

[cunning siren]

🤔

[atomic notch]

No its just how they made the junctions

[atomic notch]

#math-and-meta message

[crisp barn]

I think I finally calibrated it

1600 aluminium ingots/m

[oblique prawn]

I’m sorry but how the hell do you deal with the 15,000 steel beams needed for the versatile framework and the 7,500 rubber for the modular engine for phase 3? Like I know it’s gonna get worse but how???

[dull flare]

how tf do u need 7.5k rubber/min

[hard ivy]

sloops and it's half. plus you just make a production, store 15k, then handfeed it to the assembler making it

[dull flare]

oh

[oblique prawn]

I try so hard but my factories are always inefficient

[dull flare]

is automating project parts a good or a bad idea?

[cunning siren]

Woh dude this game quirky AF 😆 thanks for the info.

[crisp barn]

you use new nodes, automate production, and leave it running for an hour

[oblique prawn]

Yeah I just hate spaghetti and clipping so it takes longer to build stuff than normal because of it

[cunning siren]

🍝 tastes good! Om nom nom nom! 😆

[crisp barn]

it will get much easier as you learn and get experience

[oblique prawn]

Yeah that’s fair I started playing a little before fluid was added I believe Idk when that was

[small notch]

What starting locations did you guys choose

[hard ivy]

rocky desert

[crisp barn]

forest

best spawn imo

[hard ivy]

worst sawn imo lol

[small notch]

The dune desert looks the like it has the most resources and stuff but idk I’ve only played grassy fields

[timber swift]

am i allowed to ask questions about my save in this channel

[small notch]

Northern forest has too little space imo

[cunning siren]

I've played both Deserts and they are both really good

[timber swift]

dune desert on top lowkey

[oblique prawn]

It’s harder early game due to less biomass but it’s great when you get to steel

[solar trench]

what you guys do when game starts to feel overwhelming? i pretty much got 2 unfinished saves and im not sure if im going to continue them

[hard ivy]

rocky desert has easy SAM

[timber swift]

biomass is like a 2 hour item though if your quick

[oblique prawn]

BRO SAME

[small notch]

Next play through in like 400 hours when I finish this one I will do dune desert

[timber swift]

how do yall jump start your turbofuel factory

math says 4gw of power required i have 1,5 available

[small notch]

Turn everything else off, only turn on half of the factory to get power to turn on the other half

[white dawn]

Probably depends on what exactly you're finding overwhelming. For a lot of folks having trouble, this build strategy can often help: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency -- rather than having some big problems to solve, you just have smaller isolated problems to solve, and you're never bound by past "mistakes"

[timber swift]

i have 3.6gw max from coal

oohhwait misread

[white dawn]

In the end, it's generally a case of:

1. Pick something you haven't automated yet
2. Automate it!
3. GOTO 1

... though of course sometimes you might just need a break, etc. :) Or skip the factory building for awhile and just go exploring

[cunning siren]

SO, the TL:DR may be; the orientation of the liquid junction can prioritize the flow AND it's good to know how in a given situation?

[timber swift]

im working on genuinlky my best save cause im playing with this mindset

[small notch]

Ngl hmf is seeming like a lot of effort, might have to make a big factory to never have to make it again tbh

[timber swift]

spent like an hour setting up hypertubes out of just wanting to get some progress done

[small notch]

I love hypertubes tbh so cheap and also efficient imo

[timber swift]

especially with the new connector tubes

[small notch]

Yh

[timber swift]

its like 30mw to get anywhere in the map

just needs good timing

[small notch]

Is rocket fuel blend a better recipe then regular rocket fuel or nah

[timber swift]

are there enough harddrives to get every alt recipe?

[small notch]

Yes

[solar trench]

i know how to brake stuff down to little tasks, just at some point i will just stop playing at all and comeback and start new save in few months, kind of like 2 week minecraft phases

[timber swift]

sick

[cunning siren]

HyperTube Cannons ✅

HyperTubes ⛔

[small notch]

Still have nightmares from making a hypertube cannon loop and getting stuck, when I eventually spammed e hard enough and got out I couldn’t even see the map anymore I went so far away

[solar trench]

ah yes, the particle accelarator from temu

[timber swift]

did this yesterday its awesome

[hollow quarry]

sounds like a blast of fun

[timber swift]

the run back not so much

[cunning siren]

ESC > Respawn 😆

[oblique prawn]

I feel you I’m having that issue rn

[small notch]

I couldn’t run back 😩 my dead cold body was blasted 10 light years off the planet

[silk ivy]

is there a way to limit how many resources a conveyor belt could transport per minute

[timber swift]

rip

[cunning siren]

Yea make a loop with a box and a splitter

[small notch]

Use a lower tier conveyor otherwise idk

[silk ivy]

i need 300 per minute ;-;

[hollow quarry]

use a tier 1 and a 240 /min one 😄 (t3?)

[cunning siren]

Seems like a strange "issue" to have 🤔

[silk ivy]

i'm trying to transport coal to a fuel power plant by train

[hard ivy]

t3 is 270

[hollow quarry]

rip

split the t1 XD

[hard ivy]

I mean you normally limit belts with a belt limiter, but you basically never need to do that

[small notch]

Or use a tier 4 🤷 I would

[hollow quarry]

thats 300? not liek 320?

[silk ivy]

but wouldn't it overflow

like the machines are gonna be filled with coal

[small notch]

Doesn’t rlly matter tbf

[hard ivy]

and why is that bad?

[small notch]

Better filled than not filled

[silk ivy]

because then wouldn't the train station eventually fill up too?

[hard ivy]

and?

[small notch]

Make more coal power plants

Or fuel idk what ur making

[silk ivy]

then machines stopping and starting at coal factory

[timber swift]

pure copper or pure quartz for alt choices copper is better right?

[hard ivy]

and?

[silk ivy]

not smooth

[hard ivy]

if you use a belt limiter the same thing is gonna happen anyway

[hard ivy]

and?

[silk ivy]

not satisfactory

[small notch]

It doesn’t matter really

Just make it bigger to accommodate more recourses

[sullen gull]

Who sez! Show me where in the Ficsit manual! 😏

[small notch]

If anything have loads of recourses is satisfactory

[silk ivy]

what if i use a smart splitter and send overflow to a awesome sink or something else that requires compacted coal

[small notch]

I mean if you want

[sullen gull]

Would flow more 'smooth' probably 😏

[small notch]

Could burn the coal in generators if you want peak efficiency of materials

[silk ivy]

ooo that's a good idea

[small notch]

Or just limit the amount of coal mined

[timber swift]

always abuse the amount of power you can get ive noticed

[small notch]

To not have this problem all together

[silk ivy]

wdym

the power generators need 300 coal per minute

[sullen gull]

Underclock the assemblers making compacted coal. Then the miners for sulfer and coal

[vale grotto]

So only mine 300 per minute

[small notch]

Underclock the miner to only make 300 coal per min

[sullen gull]

Or, as said, expand to utilize the full node(s)

[silk ivy]

does compacted coal work in coal powered generators

[small notch]

Yh

[silk ivy]

alright ty

[hard ivy]

it has a weird burn rate tho

[tacit trellis]

Just double stack your train idk?

Oh 💀 your coal can't keep up with your compacted coal production

[honest ridge]

with the production planner, can i add alt recipes like cast screws?

[hard ivy]

which one lmao

[sullen gull]

I think more like his production can't keep up withy the coal 😏

[sullen gull]

But, really, yes to all of them lol

[honest ridge]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_ModularFrame_C"%3A"10"}

this one

[sullen gull]

SCIM can pull it from your save, SFTools you can tailor the list, and with Modeler, you just pick the one you want.

[solar hamlet]

Purely copper products are only wire, cable and sheets right? (cant remember if there is anything else and Im setting up tiny copper stuff production 😄

[hard ivy]

oh, ew, don't use that one. it's awful

[vernal wave]

So just came across the upcoming game "Main Sequence" https://store.steampowered.com/app/2487190/Main_Sequence/
Youtube recommended a video, I can't find any information on the developer "Tumbling Dumpling" - wondering if this has any relation to Coffee Stain or Satisfactory, some of the UI and color scheme looks like straight asset rips from Satisfactory.
Thought I'd throw this in here if it isn't on your radar, if it should be.
It looks like the "Space Age" - (sic Factorio) expansion for Satisfactory.

[sullen gull]

And you can also pick from a list with SCIM too.

[vale grotto]

Powder as well

[honest ridge]

so what one shoul i use

[hard ivy]

I use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[tacit trellis]

Stack like 10 industrial containers in series at the choke point and you can push the problem off for some hours lmao

[sullen gull]

Try em all. the other is Satisfactory Modeler. free on steam.

[solar hamlet]

Thats probably way out of my phase 1 production needs 😄

[hard ivy]

technically you don't need copper for wire and cable

[solar hamlet]

Sure, but I expect I wont need to make only sheets from one single copper pure node 😄 so MIght as well setup all 3 items

[tacit trellis]

Yeah I have a setup where it just makes all 3 out of one node

[solar hamlet]

Just cant decide which of the three to produce more to use up the pure node fully... or just make less and move the factory to normal node

[sullen gull]

I mean, you "could" and logi them around to where needed 😏

[cunning siren]

How does one snap pipe junctions to the grid on something on the vertical dimension? Pipe floor holes and wall mounts do not offer snap points 😭

[sullen gull]

Use beams, walls, foundations, pillars for temp snaps. delete later

[solar hamlet]

tbh for personal use all 3 on 30/m is overkill so I guess I could move it to normal node 😄

[sullen gull]

foundation to get it "on grid" if you really must, then a beam/pillar/wall off that for wall mounts and such, snap, nudge where needed. Delete "scaffold"

[cunning siren]

I'm making blueprints so... may as well do it right once

[tacit trellis]

I have one factory that just stockpiles wire cable and sheet for building shit and I set up seperate nodes and plants to plug into my mega factory

[solar hamlet]

guess Ill just do 30 wire, 15 cable and 15 sheets and move the factory to normal node as its just for my use 😄 and leave the pure for connection to bigger production

[sullen gull]

Lol, you do it "right" once, and then later find another "right" way to do it someplace else later 🤣

[tacit trellis]

Yeah just stack some industrial containers in series to make a big stockpile for building

[cunning siren]

Yea, I'm reading about how not to make that mistake too

[sullen gull]

Do wha you say? #design-and-architecture message 😏

[tacit trellis]

Mf made an Amazon warehouse

[peak wasp]

So I'm curious

Can I play with my ps5 bros in November

[sullen gull]

Afaik, only console crossplay. no console to pc

[peak wasp]

Oh boo

[cunning siren]

Like the funky pipe junction weld direction quirkiness thing #satisfactory message

[cunning glade]

When are good milestones too go hard drive hunting

[sullen gull]

E: All of the above 😏

[cunning glade]

I feel like I have most of the ones I have access too recipe wise but I'm not sure

Fair but I'm tier 5 6 and I feel like the ones I need I might have but I'm curious when more unlock ig

[sullen gull]

It lets you know when no more recipes are available for what you have completed.

[cunning siren]

It's a good plan to make a modular box blueprint, I made a vertical one I use very frequently. I don't see big box buffers abused much except for waste storage 🤔

[cunning glade]

And what if there's ones I'm not taking cuz I don't like them

[sullen gull]

Then just leave it in the list

[cunning glade]

I see

[hard ivy]

they're still unavailable to roll in new drives

[cunning glade]

Well I reroll or choose the other

But a lot of them are the same it seems

But noted

[cursive phoenix]

Guys im so confused, i have 2 assemblers making modular frames being made with 2 reinforced plates and 10 steel pipes.
So im using 20 steel pipes.
Im producing 20 steel pipes but somehow its clogging up

[sullen gull]

If you leave them in the list, it takes them out of the "roll" eventually if may tell you there are no more recipes to scan .

[kind tartan]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1419421914924974172 follow up question. are there boulders that can only be blown up by stronger dynamite than nobelisk?

[cunning glade]

I see

I may get too that point then before I make more stuff

[sullen gull]

Nah

[kind tartan]

i see, thanks

[crisp barn]

only in this game you can have 1200 input and 1200 required and still somehow not have enough

[tacit trellis]

Isn't it just boxes that connect to each other?

[sullen gull]

I mean, not too many other options with walls o' containers 🤣

[kind tartan]

also. can someone give me a tip on how to tell if stone is explodable i mean can be blown up, cuz now every rock seems suspicious

[tacit trellis]

Has it got cracks in it

[hard ivy]

all the explodable ones look the same

[limpid cairn]

When you unlock major tiers

[steady glade]

is it foot sized or less

[sullen gull]

Cracks or the "rocks" if you need to clear terrain, are a distinctable off-color from all the other rocks .. (bext way I can think to explain) lol

[kind tartan]

what if i hear cats (theese scary spiders) under me but there are no "entrance"

[cunning siren]

Essentally AND if you do it in a specific way you can add on to the existing design. The blueprint system limits one a bit on how that is done too, another reason a modular design is key. I attempted to make a massive box that filled the entire blueprint designer and the game "pooped it's pants" on placement and got all buggy so... 🤷 #streams-and-videos message

[tacit trellis]

💀 it's the box of boxes

[hard ivy]

there probably is an entrance somewhere

[cunning siren]

😆 the Borg cube... of storage

[cunning glade]

Ight I'll prolly grab a few more then after phase 3 I'll go hunting again

[timber swift]

i forget if t3 pipes exist does anyone know

dang

[cunning glade]

They ain't needed tbh

I find 600 is good

[timber swift]

i gotta move 670

[cunning siren]

I found that I can make the "Borg storage cube" but I had to slice the blueprint up in vertical slices and manually connect one side that did not fit in the designer limitations

[timber swift]

that is NOT a jopke btw im fr

[cunning glade]

So make a second pipe?

[timber swift]

yeah but load balancing

[limpid cairn]

Devs refuse to add em🥀(they can’t but I don’t believe that lie)

[cunning glade]

Couldn't u just let the pipe flow in at the end?

[timber swift]

i suppose i could

its my first time setting this factory up

[cunning glade]

Or do I not know how pipes work

[timber swift]

so im tryna think it through well

[tacit trellis]

Do manifold with 2 inlets?

[cunning glade]

Yeah legit just route the second pipe too the end of close too it

I like pipe getting that 600 flow is satisfying

[tacit trellis]

Pipes get to cheat with splitters where you can have 2 inlets to a splitter or 2 outlets to a merger

[timber swift]

can i post imgur links?

[cunning glade]

#screenshots

Just hit what p

In game screenshot thing open screenshot folder after hitting tab I think and drag and drop

[timber swift]

no it was an idea on how to make it work

check in the channel rq

[cunning glade]

Yeah but that's more work

Although I think I see wym now

[honest ridge]

yo how do i turn 3 belts of 5 into 5 belts of 3?

[tacit trellis]

What's the 670 coming from?

[cunning glade]

But yeah u can

[timber swift]

yeah ive got two lines of 9 refineries, one is underclocked to fit resource

[honest ridge]

67

[hard ivy]

3:5 balancer for example

[timber swift]

its 695 i just checked, but its heavy oil residue from 18 refineries

[cunning glade]

I still don't understand making a load balancer

[honest ridge]

uh how do i do that

[timber swift]

i meant manifold i think

[cunning glade]

I don't think atleast pretty sure I just do manifolds

[timber swift]

whatever just fills it up as it goes

[tacit trellis]

I mean yeah just do smth like the pic

[timber swift]

okay

im hoping it works

[cunning siren]

Building blueprints with 1/2 grid snaps seems like a bad plan

[hard ivy]

if you only got 15 items/min total, then you can just merge the 3 belts, then do 1:5 balancer
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/13gtuhl/15_splitter/ <- this one's correct

[tacit trellis]

You can like manifold 9 into a single line and then have them join up in another manifold down the line that takes 2 and splits into 2 but that's basically the same thing

Like in your picture they can join at the start instead of at the end if it makes it any easier for you

[timber swift]

the onyl reaason im joining at two diff spots is because of pipe limit of 600m^3

and i have more output than that

does anyone know if polymer resin can be sunk

[rigid mist]

does output from freight platforms stop when a train is docking

[timber swift]

yes

[rigid mist]

that's so stupid

[timber swift]

as far as i know the entire depot is off when being loaded or unloaded

[unkempt blade]

yeah or use a cartifold for additional style points and increased power cost and saturation time

[rigid mist]

even if it has stuff in it's internal buffer

[tacit trellis]

Bro we can't be breaking OHS rules

Too dangerous to load the train platform while in operation lmao

[honest ridge]

yo thanks dude that worked

[hard ivy]

for 27.08 seconds. so you might wanna account for that in your calculations

[honest ridge]

no shot that .08 matters

[rigid mist]

bruhhh that's why i wasn't getting enough sulfur, caterium, and quartz

[unkempt blade]

some people melt down when they don't see 100% efficiency on machine stats so it might cause some psychological distress

[tacit trellis]

💀 I never found the efficiency hot key so like I never have to worry

[hard ivy]

it makes like 1.5 items/min difference at 1800/min

[unkempt blade]

I won't tell you where it is then to preserve your positive attitude 😄

[unkempt blade]

see: literally unplayable! /tableflip

[tacit trellis]

Efficiency based factories
Vibes based factories

[bronze oriole]

if the blue and orange line aren´t inside of each other i planned the factory wrong

[dull flare]

just add an ISC behind the platform

[hard ivy]

I have some bad news for you about the endgame. and trains

[atomic notch]

Blue and orange lines gettin freaky

[bronze oriole]

i have a seperate grid for mashines with varying power consumtion =)

[unkempt blade]

yet another argument for cart based logistical solutions

[rigid mist]

i have a storage container in parallel and it will only be used as input when main line is inactive

[hard ivy]

insane behaviour tbh

[unkempt blade]

I respect your commitment to power management

[rigid mist]

anyways now i have enough sulfur for IUC

[atomic notch]

Man youd hate my world haha

[hard ivy]

mine too

[cunning siren]

Some folk like strawberries some people like raspberries 🤷 it's not my job to know why

[tacit trellis]

You have more than one power grid?

[atomic notch]

Bro sees the pile of stuff just dies on the spot

[unkempt blade]

I just get the frozen mixed berries for smoothies so I don't have to pick a favorite

[cunning siren]

Frozen is usually a good call for fruit and yes chilled smoothies ❤️ hell yea

[hard ivy]

the power plant grid in my 1.0 save
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1g6w99c/does_max_mean_anything_to_you_ficsit/

• you get the psychic damage from my manifolds lol

[topaz coral]

trying to transport >780 items per minute but currently only have mk5 belts. can i still manifold and my machines work or is this something a balancer would solve

[unkempt blade]

your woven conveyor basket in the background is lovely too

[hard ivy]

I use balancers when the total to distribute exceeds what 1 belt can fit

[unkempt blade]

sounds like you need a cartifold for its increased throughput benefits

[topaz coral]

a what now?

[cunning siren]

Does the game ever use the Pgup down arrow keys besides when nudge? If no... then why the hell do I have to hit the H key before nudge? 😆 JUST make any use of arrow or page keys nudge and skip the H key entirely! Some super strange design choices IMO

[unkempt blade]

a manifold but with carts and truckstops instead of conveyors the whole way down

they're like manifolds but better in every way

[topaz coral]

okay maybe stupid question but can i balance into a manifold or is doing too much

[hard ivy]

oh, yeah, I use manifolds to feed machines and a balancer to balance the manifolds

[dull flare]

exactly lol

[topaz coral]

ahhh yeah ima prolly try and balance it first lol i hate programming the trucks and carts

[unkempt blade]

how many item/min are you actually trying to do?

[dull flare]

guys what are ur thoughts on mega printing?

[cunning siren]

No opinion really

[hard ivy]

I don't use other people's BPs, mega or not

[topaz coral]

in total 2993 ingots but that can be split into 3 lines of unequal amounts

[tacit trellis]

💀 I'm neuro divergent enough to play the game not neuro divergent enough to fully organise shit lmao

[topaz coral]

also is there a tool to help do the math for balancers or a video that explains how very well?

[hard ivy]

the exact type of balancer depends on the number of manifolds you have, on the production and consumption sides. so you plan how many of those you'll have first

[hard ivy]

you can also use something like this if you don't need equal inputs/outputs #math-and-meta message

[unkempt blade]

I would probably just not collapse those into a single line that needs to be split and/or balanced. You build 4~ sets of ingot-producers and have each of those use a mk5 line going to whatever the next step is

[hard ivy]

not for satisfactory I'm afraid. the community hates them for some reason

I can help tho

[shy mulch]

I assume it's trains causing that

[topaz coral]

even if i do that, one line still needs 1620 and another just over 900 lmao

[bronze oriole]

particel accelerators and converters

[shy mulch]

I wouldn't say hate. I'd say "doesn't feel the need to"

[unkempt blade]

there's not a belt in the game that does that much so I'd encourage you to think about how to do it in smaller chunks as part of a whole 😆

[shy mulch]

Don't they increase the maximum?

[bronze oriole]

they increase by the average

[hard ivy]

nah, you mention that a balancer is actually useful sometimes on reddit and you get downvoted to oblivion