satisfactory

[warm phoenix]

Get the vroom vroom

[abstract trail]

may i introduce you to my little friend called modding

[peak wasp]

I think every upgrade is a better way to do things

[atomic notch]

I try not to afk but if i fall asleep while playin that shit gonna run all night

[peak wasp]

keep exploring, building

unlocking, researching

[boreal musk]

if 20/min iron plate isnt enough in early game, i just simply double it to 40/min

as simple as that

[dim flint]

This game really is the most satisfying thing.

[quasi otter]

you could say its satisfactory

[coral sundial]

I’m jsut confused am I supposed to run 1000s of meters of belts

Around the map

[quasi otter]

train

[dim flint]

Though building 64 refineries is going to be the death of me tomorrow.

[coral sundial]

I don’t have train yet!!

[quasi otter]

cart

[coral sundial]

How does the cart help I’m confused

[quasi otter]

it transports stuff

[hard ivy]

there's like 0 reason to do that before trains

[dim flint]

I never ran more than a small handful of long distance belts. If you choose your spots wisely it helps a lot.

[coral sundial]

I don’t have enough iron or whatever to make steel

[fiery lotus]

You should be able to do production in place until you get trains

[atomic notch]

Rip

[hard ivy]

make steel at the nodes

[dim flint]

The lake in the south east of the map was great for oil power and a nice natural expansion for me.

[hard ivy]

and then depot the output

[coral sundial]

I need coal and iron

[fiery lotus]

If you need more power bring resources to a coal node and build a power station on site
Then run power lines to it

[coral sundial]

Depot?

[quasi otter]

did somebody say oil?

[dim flint]

Also, trucks are kinda nice early game too.

[quasi otter]

https://tenor.com/view/murica-merica-america-usa-us-gif-4163007710547964960

[fiery lotus]

Also, you have tractors, though they suck (in range) until you can dredge up oil

[atomic notch]

Just pull from a closer node then idk wjy youd go 1000’s of meters for iron that shits everywhere

[hard ivy]

check the MAM

[coral sundial]

Ok

Truck depot?

[hard ivy]

no, dimensional depot

[coral sundial]

Oke let’s say 600m

[dim flint]

Takes some getting used to, but once you have coal, it's not to bad.

[quasi otter]

where are you starting from????

[dim flint]

I have a truck that goes like 250m just because I hate outdoor belts.

[fiery lotus]

I started a save there where I try to restrict myself to the crater it's been nice

[atomic notch]

Not that far tbh.

[warm phoenix]

feels

[boreal musk]

just start in swamp if you want all resources in close proximity

[fiery lotus]

250m is a reasonable truck trip

[dim flint]

I'm looking forward to going back and cleaning things up once I have my bigger bases done.

[dim flint]

Esspecially because I have infinite coal at the moment.

[hard ivy]

that's a belt distance lol

[coral sundial]

I have so many big belts lol

[peak wasp]

I started with tractors, to trains/trucks

[feral geyser]

you can run them with coal if you find a bunch of coal veins close together

[coral sundial]

I see

[dim flint]

god not being able to control which cars of a train load what at a station is killing me.

[peak wasp]

you can make a tractor depot to transport your coal

[coral sundial]

How do I find a really big flat area to build in

[dim flint]

Deserts

[coral sundial]

Hm

[peak wasp]

build up

[feral geyser]

you make one by building up

[sullen gull]

Buiild up as Ada suggests

[coral sundial]

And float in the air?

[dim flint]

Or make a shit load of concrete and build foundations off the highest point in an area.

[feral geyser]

it doesn't need to float

[peak wasp]

nah, u unlock foundations

[sullen gull]

Or "tie it in" via pillars and such

[coral sundial]

Oh ok

[warm phoenix]

I think i ran train distance with tractor fueled by solidified biofuel just for coal

[boreal musk]

just bcs the foundation is up in the air doesnt meant you cant add support to it

[peak wasp]

im in love with dimensional depots

[dim flint]

Anyone know how to make a train wait at a station for the buffer to fill up?

It fills quickly, but if I get unlucky and another train steals the load then my production doesn't get enough.

I enabled the "freight waggon is fulled loaded/unloaded" option, but that didn't do it.

[hard ivy]

you need to change the delay to AND 0 seconds

[dim flint]

o.O

[dense violet]

did you buffer your platforms at all the stations?
cause that could also be why your machines are starving

[dim flint]

Buffers don't help if another train comes like 5 seconds before you do and then the dock itself can't possible load enough in time.

Buffers keep production running.

[dense violet]

if you have enough throughput it should

trains are just big manifolds, and after 1 end gets full the rest should over flow

[dense violet]

how many belts per platform are you trying to move? 2?

[tranquil spoke]

This game is wonderful but it blows my mind. In my life I had used my brain so much to play a game.

[hard ivy]

no, with default settings, you absolutely can have a train come in too early and ruin everything

especially if you have more than 1 train on route

[dim flint]

You don't know what you're talking about. Unless it's different with cargo for some reason. It takes some amount of time to fill the freight platforms. If a train docks while it's not full it gets partial loads (by default).

I need to test this AND 0 seconds thing though.

[dense violet]

it sounds like you have 2 train at picking up at one station right? at least?

and going to different spots?

in that case even if one side gets too much, that factory's buffer will fill up and the train doing that delivery will stay fuill and not be able to pick up more, leaving the rest for the other train

[hard ivy]

with multiple trains on the same route, you need "depart when empty/full AND wait 0 seconds" to guarantee throughput

[dim flint]

Do I still need the fully loaded option? Why does 0 seconds make it work? I don't understand the logic ngl.

[dim flint]

sigh I don't see why this is confusing for you.

[dense violet]

is that NOT what you're doing?

[dim flint]

I was using the default train settings.

[inland zealot]

is there a fly command? i stood ontop of the shuttle during launch and my box is in the sky

[dense violet]

mods or reload your game

[dim flint]

Then I tried wait till fully loaded, and I was surprised it didn't work.

[feral geyser]

nope, you gotta build up and have inhalers

[inland zealot]

what does reloading do

[dense violet]

the advanced game settings probably do it to but that kills achievements

[dense violet]

before a time you died

[dim flint]

Use https://satisfactory-calculator.com to turn it on.

But that ruins a lot of the fun tbh.

[feral geyser]

also, you can keep inventory without affecting achievements

[hard ivy]

it's not the 0 seconds, it's the AND. with default delay, (iirc OR 30 seconds), the train is not guaranteed to wait until full. after 30 secodns pass, it'll just leave regardless of its fill level

with AND, it will not leave unless full. the 0 seconds just makes it leave immediately after that instead of waiting extra time

[inland zealot]

my dumbass forgot there is autosaves

[dim flint]

OHHHH. I'm an idiot and clearly just didn't realize it's hitting the 15 seconds so quickly.

[dense violet]

also just save the game before you try dumb things 😛 \

[inland zealot]

nah last time i tried this was before 1.0 and nothig happened

[dim flint]

I would be so hosed without autosave.

[inland zealot]

now i just flew into orbit and died

[dim flint]

Another fun hack I may end up needing is to have an empty unloading dock in the middle of a station to save that space for other trains. But I hope waiting for the buffer to fill will be fast enough. I really don't want to add another car to this train just for like 50 oil/min.

I could always just make a dedicated oil train... and save the time from the extra stop.

Trying to be maximally efficient problems.

Wait... now the cargo train is waiting to leave until the platform is full. WTF.

It already has it's load, why is it waiting!?

[warm phoenix]

Trains are so full of headaches

[dim flint]

Oh no, it's something to do with the other cars not being the same item as the oil...

[stray herald]

Can you n ot set conditions to leave after X seconds?

[stray herald]

Oh

[hard ivy]

It waits until all wagons are full

[hard ivy]

Or empty

[dim flint]

It's waiting forever now because something I can't tell atm

[hard ivy]

Depends on the platform they're docked to

[dim flint]

It was full in all three cars, IDK why it was waiting forever. But the two cars that weren't oil were docked to oil docks and they were'nt selectable, so I'm guessing that was related to the issue.

[hard ivy]

Yeah, all wagons need to be either completely full, or completely empty for the train to leave with these settings

[dim flint]

I guess the logic is "wait until all cars have either unloaded or loaded fully"... and since two cars were loaded and it was docked at a loading station, it just broke.

[hard ivy]

Maybe they can be half full if they're stopped at an empty platform but I haven't tested that

[dim flint]

I also noticed it load the wagon before the dock was full.... so I don't know if this actually works.

The train came in, and docked immediately, even though the dock was half full...

[hard ivy]

The wagon holds less than the platform

[dim flint]

Ohhh

good call.

[hard ivy]

So the platform doesn't have to be completely full

2/3 full is enough iirc

[dim flint]

So many numbers to keep track of lol

[hard ivy]

Wait till you get to calculating throughput lmao

[dense violet]

wait your mixing items on the platform for different trains? yeah you really don't want to do that

[dim flint]

I'm doing that now...

[quasi otter]

i dont have anyone to play with and nobody answers

[atomic notch]

Rip

[dim flint]

I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean. But I have three stations in this system. A) Oil production with four docks, B) Sulfur and Coal Production with 2 docks and an empty platform, C) Dropoff with three docks for each of the three items.

[atomic notch]

Normally id be down to play but i been on helldivers a lot lately

[quasi otter]

o

[dense violet]

ah nm

[hard ivy]

There's a really stark difference in the LFG channels in the Satisfactory and Snowrunner servers lol

[coral glacier]

I like eating Fiber Optic Cables

They're Crunchy

[quasi otter]

me too

[dim flint]

Oh god, the train loop takes 7.2 min, I'm only getting like 220 oil/min unless my math is wrong.

[dense violet]

there's #1201555265942724758 but most people don't want ot play with randos in general

[quasi otter]

i can tell

[dense violet]

I wouldn't want to play with randos. That sounds awful

[urban stag]

i was wondering if there ever going to add VTOL pilot driven planes that can be crafted like the rest of the vehicles

[dim flint]

There should be show and tells, where people can show off and get feedback on stuff.

[coral glacier]

You interact with "randos" right now

[hard ivy]

222.222/min per wagon is correct at 7.2 min rtt

[quasi otter]

i like to be able to talk to people

[atomic notch]

With all the control freaks this game attracts its pretty hard to find a good multiplayer server

[quasi otter]

i am the opposite of a control freak

[dim flint]

I'm kinda amazed it was working as well as it was given that.

[dense violet]

If you're saying chatting on discord with randos is the same as trying to play a problem solving factory game with randos is the same? then you should really try to evaluate how yo uthink about things

[dense violet]

literally several channels for that

[quasi otter]

done

[dim flint]

But I guess I only need 261/min damn it.

Dedicated oil train it is then. I'm not adding another platform >.<

[coral glacier]

Do you ask pointers on the game for your factories?

[dense violet]

no

[quasi otter]

yes

[dim flint]

?

[dense violet]

#math-and-meta #design-and-architecture #screenshots #streams-and-videos

people regularly do exactly that in #design-and-architecture most often

[dim flint]

Yea. I actually met a really nice and helpful person here yesterday. I'm just thinking like a place to post to have people actually join your game if they want... But it's kinda cumbersome and you'd want to make a backup save.

[urban stag]

i need something to put on my "padio" (a landing pad)

[dense violet]

#1201555265942724758

[atomic notch]

Only if theyre handcrafting hoverpacks to sink

[dim flint]

It feels so wrong to have a train carrying three cars of oil just to use the last one. Those first two are going to go sooooo stale.

I hope one day they do a serious trains 2.0 and give us timetables, car spesific items, etc.

[hard ivy]

Hmm that'd be over a million points per minute, actually

[atomic notch]

I got like 3 im not even using rn its like 1350 oil pm goin nowhere

[atomic notch]

Thats what im sayin man get like 3 randos in a box

[dim flint]

lolol

[hard ivy]

What about oil am?

[coral sundial]

i fail to see how this factory cart is useful

[dim flint]

Oh man. dynamic stations where the loading/unloading arms could move left and right between stations would be game changing.

[quasi otter]

transportation

[coral sundial]

why not use the truck

[quasi otter]

that takes fuel

[coral sundial]

its so slow tho

[quasi otter]

but it doesnt take fuel

[coral sundial]

neither does running

[atomic notch]

Its for low output factories

[quasi otter]

ya

[atomic notch]

Like higher teir items

[wind trout]

it's a little tikes coupe. it's not really intended for use. you can use it though.

[atomic notch]

You could have a whole thing making like 10 nuclear pasta per minute. Factory cart is just funny but also valid

Since it doesnt use fuel you can transport across ur factory cute little roads and shit

[peak wasp]

hypertube is best way to travel around your factory

[atomic notch]

You can set routes on truck stations

They got 1 inventory slot

[coral sundial]

i dont get it

[hard ivy]

That's because it isn't 🙃

[coral sundial]

i dont use trick stations

[quasi otter]

one stack of items

[atomic notch]

You can certainly make ur whole factory a compact cube, however some people appreciate aesthetics and like art and stuff. Its something ive recently discovered

[peak wasp]

cubegang

[atomic notch]

I just got to p5 on my world so i havent made a cube yet so far all i got is a small pile

[quasi otter]

i just beat the game and 100 percented it at the same time

[hollow roost]

i dmd you

[atomic notch]

But im seeing the resource requirements in the late game planning and theres gonna be a lot of trains

[peak wasp]

Modular factories?

[atomic notch]

Im sticking with the push pull train design because i dont care about volume and its gonna look crazy once i get like 3-4 stacked

No its all gonna be in one spot

[peak wasp]

same, push pull to start

anyone good with modeler?

[atomic notch]

No dude i dont use any planners

[peak wasp]

is there a way to lock smelter number and clock speed so it doesn;'t change

[hard ivy]

You can set a machine number limit, but it's a limit. If there's something else preventing it from reaching it, it won't

Clock speed can be set and that's fixed

[manic arrow]

how does putting items into the awesome sink work?

does the quality of an item matter or is it bassed off of how many machiens it takes to create said item

[hard ivy]

You belt them in and they get shredded for points

Different items are worth different amounts of points

[white dawn]

Resources are (in general) worth 2x the points of the vanilla-recipe ingredients for the resource

[manic arrow]

okay cool

[hard ivy]

When you accumulate enough points, they get turned into a coupon

[white dawn]

So more complex parts will give you more points than simpler ones. The wiki's got a full list of the points, if you're interested, but I recommend just sinking everything you can:

!wikisearch awesome+sink

[manic arrow]

ight cool

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome+sink

[peak wasp]

nws sis, I just love green lights, everything running at 100% efficiency

[dim flint]

Screw it, I'm just adding another car.

I'm within 10 oil/min... but I can't be bothered to optimize anything more. There's just nothing left to tweak.

[dense violet]

you realy really do want to buffer train platforms. Unless you're only moving like... 1/10th of a belt on the platform?

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message

[dim flint]

What's suppsed to happen if you have an unload and a load at the same station and one cannot do it? Shouldn't the others at least try?

[dense violet]

you can have different platforms do different thigns with a train? that's fine. Unless that's not your question?

[dim flint]

I added a new station which I forgot to mark as "unload", and it caused the train to no longer unload the other cars.

[neon hollow]

I HATE math but with satisfactory I gotta get all those green lights and ATTEMPT a fully straight orange line

[neon hollow]

Try switching it to load maybe

I think unload is in terms of unloading the freight station of what’s inside of it

[dim flint]

I mean't load... sry. It should have been unload. I'm assuming it will work now. I'm just confused why it wasn't at least unloading the dock that was already marked unload that was working before.

[neon hollow]

I finally stepped into the architect and aesthetic side of satisfactory building the outline and walls of the factory then filling it in I even got a logistics floor in my Sam and quartz factory

[neon hollow]

I’m struggling with the signals myself

[dim flint]

I never do logistic floors... but I should really consider them now.

[dim flint]

Sometimes you literally just need to delete tracks and recreate them. It's a bug for sure.

[neon hollow]

I only have 1 logistics floor but I’ll try to grab a ss the actual machines are fully walkable and I made it look somewhat nice

[neon hollow]

Oh yea most def

[dim flint]

Ok, I'm 95% sure I've fixed my oil shortage!

[neon hollow]

But I don’t think I will fully understand junctions for a while so I’m stuck using roundabouts I’ve tried using the path in block out

[neon hollow]

WWW when I fixed mine I got all 8 of my fuel generators running at 250% efficiency

When I unlock turbo fuel I have a factory floor set up above to start converting into compacted coal

[dim flint]

I need to do rocket fuel before I change my fuel power I think.... but that'll be after I have the next upgrade to my modest nuclear

[neon hollow]

I’m still on phase 3

Haven’t even started the other 2 parts

[dim flint]

I'm about 25GW Nuclear, 30GW fuel, and 10GW other.

Get blended fuel alt recipe it's great!

[neon hollow]

I’ve seen videos on complicated nuclear can get

I haven’t got a blender yet is that after phase 3?

Or just unlocked in mam

[dim flint]

It's 6 items and 3 fluids I think and about 6 kinds of machines to handle waste as well.

[dim flint]

Not sure the phase numbers. I would guess 4.

[neon hollow]

Dang so I’m a ways

I have the pieces to make the items it’s just putting them together I got to get to

[dim flint]

Tier 7 in P3.

[neon hollow]

Oh nice so I’m close

I’ve heard pipe mk2 are broken?

[dim flint]

People complain about pipes alot, but I've never seen them be fully broken. Just sometimes I've had to delete them and recreate them if I mess a connection up.

[dense violet]

you just can't treat pipes like belts. People do, and then they don't work, and then they say they are broken

[atomic notch]

yeah you gotta treat belts like pipes

[shrewd palm]

pipes can be a little weird sometimes but as long as you follow a couple rules you'll never have problems with them

most things that i think get people confused are headlift/sloshing, but as long as you use buffers and have the right amount of headlift you'll be fine

[atomic notch]

if you sacrifice resources to the pipe gods it will run a lil better

like 3-5% sacrifice could help keep all the pipes full(just make more than you need basically)

[dense violet]

you really don't need to make more than you need

[atomic notch]

its way simpler tho

[dim flint]

I have a problem right now where I should be getting 600 fuel/min, but it's going between 600 and like 550 and I haven't figured it out yet.

[atomic notch]

daily pipe appreciation

[coral sundial]

I’m frustrated I have 4 iron nodes coming out and idk what to do with the. Now

[dense violet]

you'd have to provide overhead images of your set up on both ends

[dim flint]

I just needed to be patient.

[dense violet]

try harder 😛

[boreal musk]

tier 7 or 8 idr

[dense violet]

then how can you ever know who cobaltman is, right?

[winged sparrow]

what do people here think of rubber concrete

do you prefer wet concrete ?

[dense violet]

in general wet concrete is much more convenient because water is more common and requires less processing. Especially if you use the recycled rubber route

[winged sparrow]

yeah it seems like an easy recipe that's quite good and low effort if you have rubber around

[dense violet]

but if you happen to have oil right next to you and really don't want to import more limestone? rubber crete is useful

[winged sparrow]

this is more like if you have rubber already imported

[dense violet]

if you want ot more easily import the extra rubber? sure

[winged sparrow]

yeah

[dense violet]

fine concrete is also useful

[winged sparrow]

i guess idk im thinking of doing some weird centralised base thingy that probably is a bad idea but in this context i feel like rubber concrete would just be better

balance aluminium? im confused

[dense violet]

do you care about it being organised and efficient?

[winged sparrow]

uhhh efficient on resources yeah, organised like maybe a tiny bit but i don't really care that much

ohh that's cool

[dense violet]

then plan the very end points and what you need to import

[dense violet]

eh, you can recycle the water into the alumina solution very easily

[winged sparrow]

i mean yeah but like sinking water by crafting it is also a cool solution even if other ones exist

[dense violet]

it's a ton of extra work and uses up extra resources Shrug

whereas looping it back is ... very simple

[winged sparrow]

i can imagine many people may not find it so simple

[dense violet]

it's just clocking :\

[dense violet]

blue line is fresh, red is waste https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=68b79dfe&is=68b64c7e&hm=829ac1701e153cda2a70efe506865bd6722ae3c199a054525d03490a21fa4260&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[winged sparrow]

i'm not talking about myself lol

[dense violet]

the main issue is most people dont think of keeping waste and fresh split.

which is pretty normal. Easy once you know though

[winged sparrow]

oh wait no i see lol nvm

[dense violet]

I mean I didn't think of splitting it until someone told me. Then it was obvious\

[winged sparrow]

i assumed you were talking about merging and balancing, i forgot about this solution (haven't played the game for a while)

[dense violet]

oh no , direct feeds can be really finicky

[winged sparrow]

well the idea was to produce basically everything
again this might be a bad idea

[dense violet]

... bad is subjective

hard? sure

but you'll definitely want to plan fron a concrete end point for all your outputs

then sort out what you need to import

[winged sparrow]

?! what does this mean

[dense violet]

I think they are either shit talking or drunk

possibly both

[merry perch]

real

[winged sparrow]

someone else knows what they're talking about!!

[dense violet]

one of us only lies, the other, the truth

[merry perch]

makes sense

[winged sparrow]

uh huh......

[merry perch]

max might be sayin something

[ivory condor]

Its ok I am to

Too late😇

[winged sparrow]

is your tendonitis a hard drive

[ivory condor]

Cool, im not sure what im doing im mostly just testing things right now

[winged sparrow]

that's not good noo

[hollow halo]

I think I’m bad at the game… cause one of my friends with more hours than me was basically yelling at me for how inefficient my factory is 🫠

I fear I’m a first time player…

[winged sparrow]

can i get angry at your friend

[merry perch]

L friend youre supposed to help people improve not yell at them

[ivory condor]

Dont worry im at at this game, but this is mostly the games fault, because how it tells me things work and how they actually work are two different things

Why im doing more testing, because assumptions and reality arent the same at all

[winged sparrow]

this drunk posting is so funny

[ivory condor]

Never stop mewing

[winged sparrow]

i will never stop meowing

[ivory condor]

Where is my delta flyer

[hollow halo]

Idk gang, up to you. Gen almost shed tears over it then I felt stupid cause it’s a game 😔🙏

[dense violet]

this is an incredibly inefficient starter factory that makes literally a bit of everything

it's not efficient but it's FAST at unlocking tiers

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1397385809015083118/1397387012956229664/image.png?ex=68b79712&is=68b64592&hm=8174db6ccf846c8f7cff11d535773b26233149d39a8cc5700793fbc8b860c32c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1232&height=626 not everythign has to be efficient

[hollow halo]

Idk— I just want things to work how I want and look semi good :(

[winged sparrow]

woah is that near the one coal patch

uhhh idk what that means but um sorry

[hollow halo]

Atp I’ll beg someone to help me fix this mess I made and guide me :(

[dense violet]

it's not far from the northern forest coal patch? not grassy fields

[winged sparrow]

your friend does not sound very nice :(

[winged sparrow]

o nvm then

[dense violet]

wasn't really a speed run. Just wanted a simple set up that overflowed everything 🙂

[ivory condor]

At least Ill always have my delta flyers

[dense violet]

the central bit here lower down on the map https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1324206974778478754/image.png?ex=68b7abd9&is=68b65a59&hm=24eddd8f0ede061e21021d3bf8da178689181a853804daf7e0c22adcf0d2b301&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1232&height=864

[hollow halo]

He’s like that, idk man I think it’s cause I’m tired that it bothers me more

And maybe the fact my power grid keeps going down and idk how to really fix it…

[dense violet]

or maybe you're just more honest about it when youre tired

[hollow halo]

Fun stuff

[ivory condor]

some things cant be fixed, for example my power grid going down is because mk2 pipes suck and I can't fix, not without ripping them all out and replacing with mk1 pipes or something, but maybe I'll do that and it might all actually work, better than these buggy mk2 pipes

In general I would just avoid mk2 pipes or try to use them and suffer like I currently am

[hollow halo]

Good sir/ma’am are you okay?

[violet granite]

hmm are there really no crash sites with free rubber?

[winged sparrow]

surely there are i swear i remember there being some

[violet granite]

Just wondering if i can cheat bootstrap myself a rifle early 🤔

[ivory condor]

maybe

I am debating if I really want to redo all of this with mk1 pipes, in theory i only have to go through the pain once and not have to deal with any of this again, hopefully anyways

[winged sparrow]

the wiki says there's 2110 rubber around the world https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Crash_Site if you want spoilers

[violet granite]

Ah i missed that, thank

Just gotta stealth myself some rubber and motors

[ivory condor]

Your right and in the new save just use mk1 pipes and never mk2, that would save me alot of pain actually now that I'm thinking about

Thats actually good advise for another play through. I think part of my mistake was using mk2 pipes to begin with

though from oil nodes I would still have to use mk2 pipes just to move the oil out, but maybe split and convert mk2 to mk1 pipes so i dont feel dirty

[winged sparrow]

i remember a youtube video saying that going from mk2 to mk1 is buggy or something is that still the case

[dense violet]

shouldn't be? a lot of stuff on YT is really outdated or just generally wrong

[winged sparrow]

wonderful

[ivory condor]

going from mk1 to mk2 is more buggy is more correct

[winged sparrow]

i see!

[ivory condor]

i have unfortunately have had nothing but throughput issues with mk2 pipes

[dense violet]

merging 2x mk1s into a mk2 shouldn't also be an issue though?

oh are you talking about belts or pipes bpaul?

[winged sparrow]

pipe

[ivory condor]

they say mk2 is 600m3, but honestly its closer to 550m3 in terms of how reliable it actually is

[dense violet]

oh shouldn't be an issue no. But keep pipes simple. That's your best bet

[ivory condor]

if you build with 550m3 it might in theory be fine, but you would have to test more

[plain gate]

ive never had throughput issued with mk2 pipes

[ivory condor]

whats that?

[ivory condor]

lucky, unfortunately for zou, even 6 blenders outputting 100m3 each, a mk2 pipe cannot even keep up with even that, infact right now I have 2 blenders going idle, which means the pipe is acting like it has 400m3 throughput somehow...with a mk2 pipe.....

[winged sparrow]

is memberberies meant to mean memories

[ivory condor]

also why i seriously doubt if 550m3 would be reliable, these mk2 pipes dont seem to be reliable....at all

[plain gate]

i think yall are just bad at building pipes...

[ivory condor]

i wish lol, im at what like 4k hours of building pipes gameplay wise....

been playing even before pipes were introduced

i think i started around u1 or before that, honestly when you have been playing this long even im not sure how long i have actually been playing

i remember when trains were first introduced, and i conveyor lifts werent even in the game, that was pretty fun times to, anybody remember making belt spirals?

I remember being here for update 1 i think it was, honestly i kind of have lost track of some things at this point

indeed its over

also nothing can replace the update hypes, u3 update hype was very good

its a darn shame in reality, pipes ended up being so disappointing in the long term.....

i guess its a example of when hype meets reality😔

[dense violet]

I think they need to add true water hammer effects to really nail piping in the games

oh also if you try to apply more fluid than the system is consuming, every pipe and machine connected explodes

[ivory condor]

count down until my entire world explodes

They are all going to Japan and not coming back

Jason is probably going to Japan soon

[violet granite]

What are people's preferences on rifle ammo vs turbo rifle ammo

[ivory condor]

Right like Snutt but less cool

[violet granite]

I've always felt turbo ammo was kinda unwieldy

[dense violet]

probably depends what you're firing at.

homing is nice for flies, turbo, fat hogs

[violet granite]

I do like homing ammo but sometimes i need hitscan

So i usually carry two rifles, one with homing and the other with either regular or turbo

And a rebar gun with explosive rebar of course

Homing ammo kinda a pain for the spiders, they're too fast

[ivory condor]

every problem is solved with nuke nobelisks in the end

[violet granite]

I like turbo for the real big ones like radioactive hogs at least since it does crazy dps when it's ramped up

[leaden dome]

Homing ammo is cool but I don’t like reloading once every quarter second

[signal shale]

cripes, I forgot just how superior liquid biofuel is compared to solid for a jetpack.

Feels so good to not be limited to a 5 second burn

[leaden dome]

you wouldn’t think that pouring water all over grass would make it burn better but apparently

[violet granite]

My factory, my factory for a sniper rifle

Also a shotgun that isn't rebar

Turbo ammo having a crazy high mag size is fun, it's like an LMG

[left totem]

you can even kill consistently at mid range with it if you have godly spray control

[feral geyser]

I think our weapon selection is nice. I wish Pulse Nobs were a bit stronger

I want it like a Fortnite shockwave

[signal shale]

the rebar gun actually works decently for sniping, as long as you factor in drop.

[violet granite]

I'd love a proper long range option that isn't short taps of rifle/turbo ammo

The rebar gun is more like a crossbow to me

If I'm sniping I'd rather use a hitscan weapon lol

[boreal musk]

im more comfortable with homing, it gets the job done

[signal shale]

I dunno, if it's hitscan, that may as well be a remote kill command

[left totem]

or just play w/ no aggro mob

[violet granite]

I mean the rifle is already hitscan with anything other than homing rounds

It wouldn't fit the setting at all, i just like bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns 😋 i don't expect them to be added lol

And realistically the weapons we already have are more than enough

Hell the explosive rebar can handle everything

[shut falcon]

can anyone tell me what the satisfactory fan-art video series was called with the english voiceover, and the first episode had 'the way we get by' by spoon at the beginning of it?

[sullen gull]

Uh, fackin hell ... I have a flight that leaves at 7 AM and here it is at 1:10 am I am building and flummoxing around in modeler 😖

[sullen gull]

Doesn't ring a bell to me, sorry.

[true atlas]

were should i go to ask for help?

[dense violet]

if it's a simple question , just about anywhere

design for design stuff, math for mathy things, general for random stuff?

[sullen gull]

Depends, something quick here is ok. But preferably #1038092680493801533 with photos if it like a fluid question perhaps.

And as @dense violet said, #design-and-architecture, #math-and-meta, and #dedicated-servers all have their specific areas.

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533 most likely

[true atlas]

well I'm just trying to undo my spaghetti and get my gens working

[exotic pilot]

Escape then press exit to desktop

[true atlas]

?

[exotic pilot]

Do it trust

[true atlas]

no

[exotic pilot]

Solves all issues

[signal shale]

which gens specifically?

[shut falcon]

figured it out... "The Story of Pioneer Becky | Satisfactory Fan Story"

[true atlas]

coal and bio

[signal shale]

also, what's the key to select ammo type? I know it exists, but damned if I can remember.

[exotic pilot]

Dw about bio

Try get off of bio

[sullen gull]

Hmmmm is 144/ min power shards too much? 😏

[signal shale]

bio I wouldn't worry about, you're going to want your biofuel for jetpack fuel soon enough. What's the issue with coal though?

[true atlas]

cant get consistent water

[exotic pilot]

Not enough

Get 144/sec

[sullen gull]

I do be putting down a lot at a time with overclocking everything and spamming blueprints 😛

[signal shale]

okay, uh, how many coal gens are you trying to get water to?

[true atlas]

1

[sullen gull]

Only if I were able to sink them

[sullen gull]

If you have a pump, take a look at the headlift it's pushing.

[true atlas]

brb

[signal shale]

Okay, which start location did you pick? Some of them have more issues than others with getting water to the generators.

[sullen gull]

Shouldn't matter. If it's just one gen, it's most likely a head lift issue

[signal shale]

true, true.

[exotic pilot]

Guys my friend broke the power and moved the nuclear power and now there’s no more water what do I do

[true atlas]

hey uh i have to get off can you help me tmrw

[signal shale]

but, like, rocky desert if you go north for coal power, head lift shouldn't be a major issue, but dune desert can run into a lot of head lift issues unless you get fancy with foundations.

[sullen gull]

Going to go out on a limb and saw there will most likely bee some people here tomorrow 😏

[signal shale]

if you're really stuck, you can bootstrap water with a bio burner temporarily

[exotic pilot]

That’s what I thought I might do

[signal shale]

Oh, I thought tomorrow was thee start of the one month hiatus. Whoops, I guess I can try to be here, then.

[sullen gull]

Headlift is easy. Just know how far you need to go up and pump appropiatly, spacing just under the headlift for the next pump.

[sullen gull]

Shhhhhh, Ruining surprises and such ... gah

[exotic pilot]

Is the anniversary in 8 days

[signal shale]

oh, I know, it's not hard for veterans, I was just thinking that for John it might be his first time, so pumping water up the cliffs on the coast like I did over there would be a new challenge.

[exotic pilot]

Silence

Why did the chat stop

[stray herald]

Man I am overwhelmed af I gotta make a Radio control unit factory and a Super computer factory and a train line and a nuclear power plant IDEK where to begin 😭

[exotic pilot]

Alt f4

[stray herald]

Real

I made 0 progress today
I grined hard d rives though, around 40 today

[exotic pilot]

Gimme some

[signal shale]

I actually have made more progress than I thought. Got a starter oil setup, though not enough to teear down coal power yet. Set up liquid biofuel packaging now that I have plastic, and hunted down a bunch of sloops so my biofuel is slooped, plus I converted my stores of monster parts into DNA via slooped constructors, so lots of awesome points.

[silk ocean]

That's not zero progress xD

[signal shale]

oh, and just finished researching smart splitters and setting up my plastic/rubber sso excess gets sunk instead of making power back up.

[dense violet]

sounds like a #1038092680493801533 with lots of pictures issue

[silk ocean]

I still haven't torn down my original coal plants and I completed this playthru long ago xD

[exotic pilot]

It’s free power

[silk ocean]

No point until I need that coal

[exotic pilot]

Ye

[silk ocean]

Deleting stuff is surprisingly tedious as well XD

[exotic pilot]

Ye

The mass delete makes it so much easier

[silk ocean]

Helps yeah

[exotic pilot]

Is there a place for quality of life tips?

[signal shale]

true, though then you have to trash all that stuff or sink it. At least I generally do if I'm not moving it, since my depot filled up.

[silk ocean]

I generally just delete, tearing down coal plant isn't going to yield anything valuable at least at my stage in the game

[signal shale]

this is probably the best place to go for QoL tips. For example, hunt hard drives beefore you build the spacee elevator until you get cast screws. Later, get steel screws, Those alts will save a lot of pain.

[exotic pilot]

In phase 5 and saw steel screw for the first time

And that was the first time my friend did it

[exotic pilot]

I just want to know how to build easier

[dense violet]

someone made a post along those lines in qna not long ago

[exotic pilot]

I see videos of people building stuff and they do weird things I don’t know how to do

Ok

[dense violet]

depends on what type of building you want to do easier. Architecture? or is it more about planning?

[arctic crane]

hi guys can any one know if i want to replace the space elevator will reset to phase 1 or it will stay where i stoped

[exotic pilot]

It’s just placing

[boreal musk]

saved

[exotic pilot]

It’s not that evil

[boreal musk]

you wont lose any progress unless youre doing new save

[arctic crane]

ok thanks guys

[dense violet]

same applies to all the other utility buildings

you can put down a bunch of mams and delete them and nothing changes. Same with hub

[exotic pilot]

It’s more just placing

[arctic crane]

ohh ok thanks man

[dense violet]

well the first skill you need is excellent logistics practice. Knowing how to manage groups of machines, laying down pipes and belts

after that? plan the crap out of where things are going to go with some extra space given

[arctic crane]

i have another question really if i want to move all my stuff and loot like tooF far what is the ways to do this

[warm phoenix]

I feel like the field starting point isn't exactly good place to lay foundation on

[dense violet]

why not?

[dense violet]

dismantle and carry. But the game forces yo uto spread out so just build more factories

[warm phoenix]

Could be me issue but having trouble with ground humps
or height difference

[dense violet]

figure out the area you want to build the foundation on and how big it'll be

find the biggest hump. Cover that up and build across. easy peasy

basically the same anywhere

and building in multiple floors helps a lot

[stray herald]

lmao I guess but like I wish I had built something instead

[silk ocean]

40 hard drives in a day is no lean feat

[arctic crane]

it's 3.6 km on the maps😭

[silk ocean]

and considering how good some alt recipes are, it's definitely going to pay off

[warm phoenix]

I try to build on highest point then i feel like wasting space below
and halfway laying down foundation i get hit with even bigger ground hump

[dense violet]

that's why you build multiple factories and connect them up

again: the game forces you to spread out.

[coral glacier]

Yes

[exotic pilot]

I mean like locking something in place before placing it to check if it’s in the right spot and moving something that is placed

[dense violet]

build in floors then and have smaller ground floors 🙂

[dense violet]

what about it?
H to lock the hologram in and arrows to move it around?

[exotic pilot]

Whaaaa

Arrows have a use?

Why doesn’t it tell me these things

Or am I blind

[dense violet]

it probably does underneat your build cursor

there's always lists of actions you can do with the various buildables at different stages

like holding E to bring up a radial menu of similar objects

really helps compressing your hot bar

[exotic pilot]

Ye Ik that

Is there a build key binds area on the wiki

[dense violet]

I mean it's possible they just assumed if you were given a tool to nudge an item in directions you'd try the keys that typically are for directions

[dense violet]

no idea. have a look 🙂

[exotic pilot]

I will when I get home

[violet granite]

I need to rebind nudge up/down cuz my laptop doesn't have pgup/pgdwn

[exotic pilot]

Your running satisfactory on a laptop?

My pc can barely even handle it

[coral glacier]

depends on the hardware

power supply, and method of cooling

[warm phoenix]

Idk
i just can't find a good flat space
Or having difficulty maintaining that space when something gets in a way

[peak wasp]

Yup

[coral glacier]

One thing for sure, is you will use atleast 1 foundation in this game.

[peak wasp]

I am doing factories for copper sheets. Wire and cable etc and then uploading them.

And now a big fuel depot for my trucks and tractors 😭

Some in land rail after that

[dense violet]

just takes practice. GF is pretty flat so you'll have that issue anywhere but the ocea

just plan things out. Build the whole foundation out. see if it works. Edit if something is poking out

[signal shale]

so... build a bunch of foundations. Build enough that you think you can fit your factory onto them. Then lay out all the machines. See if they fit. Trim or add foundations/floors as needed. If rocks stick up, either move the foundations up, or build around them as you prefer. Same with trees and stuff.

There's literally no penalty for deconstructing something you set too high/low, if that helps.

[dense violet]

and as you do that you'll get better at estimating what you need and need less editing in the future

[warm phoenix]

Im trying to make iron/steel components all in one place (coal supplied by train

[dense violet]

well first step is drawing out a total plan 🙂

[dense violet]

personally though I'd just find a place with both iron and coal though. It's very common

[fringe sage]

went from running on my PC then my laptop now my legion go lol

[warm phoenix]

Sadly havent found such place yet

[dense violet]

use your scanner 🙂

[signal shale]

which starting location?

[dense violet]

cause almost all coal is pretty close to some iron

[warm phoenix]

rocky

[dense violet]

pinged you in other channel

[violet granite]

Rocky dunes has a ton of coal and iron and copper and limestone all next to a lake pretty close by

[dense violet]

all the coal in Rocky desert is prety damn close to iron

[violet granite]

Eh northeast from spawn i think, just ping for coal

[warm phoenix]

My base is somewhere close to 3 iron node and 1 copper node

[signal shale]

https://imgur.com/a/jzKRhE1

[dense violet]

theres a ton of coal nearby there. Or there's 2 other spots if you look at the map I tagged you in

[signal shale]

my imgur link shows where I'm working on building a dimensional depot factory because there's coal, copper, and iron all close together.

(that is, a factory solely for filling dimensional depots, so I don't have to include them in my main factory.)

[warm phoenix]

Idk
from my memory last time i pinged for coal from my base the closest one was like 600m away

Im away from pc now so i cant check

[signal shale]

600m isn't that far in this game, at least not over open ground.

[violet granite]

600m is belting distance tbh

If i tried to train something 600m the infrastructure involved for the train stops and loopback would probably reach half the distance already

[silk ocean]

Yea not worth training 600m

[dense violet]

did you look at the map I sent you?

[boreal musk]

my rule of thumb is to train resources only at least 1km away

below 1km is belt/trucks

[silk ocean]

600m is just a few zoops of foundations and a belt

[signal shale]

trucks? eww...

[silk ocean]

I'd probably still belt 1km over a train, I tend to use trains for global logistics

[warm phoenix]

#screenshots message
found my base spot
i was very wrong with my memory

[signal shale]

the one place I used trucks was dune desert, to haul SAM/Quartz from the northern nodes to my base.

[silk ocean]

1km is barely half the height of the Dune Desert, I cba to set up a train for that tiny little distance xD

[signal shale]

oh, you built over there? Cool, cool, you're close to a pair of pure coal nodes!

[violet granite]

What about 1001m

[silk ocean]

My main base is about 1500m wide, 1000m high, and I'm not training stuff around main base xD

[peak wasp]

to each their own but im going beltless

[violet granite]

Remove all belts and train the ore to the smelter 30m away

[silk ocean]

Don't get me wrong, I have about 48 stations, global rail network and about 35 trains in operation, I'm definitely not against trains xD

[boreal musk]

reminds me that one factorio challenge where you cant use belts to transport item, so hes using freight cars instead with inserters

[silk ocean]

Short runs like 1500m arguably they spend much more time in stations than actually moving

[warm phoenix]

my brain function capability might as well be that of an ostrich compared to yall

[violet granite]

I can't escape doshdoshington even in satisfactory can i

[silk ocean]

My shortest train run, which is really pretty short, measured the track length and it's about 1650m, and that is a really short journey

[warm phoenix]

Now i feel very stupid

[boreal musk]

i like my logistic to be as lively as possible, only bunch of belt highways is boring

trucks are cool

[signal shale]

The first time I made a train it was for shipping aluminum and oil products up from the swamp to the dune desert.

[silk ocean]

Pretty much my first proper train run was from Bauxite in the swamp up to the Coral biome for aluminium yea xD

[signal shale]

don't feel stupid, map knowledge is a case of experience, not brain power. I'm pretty dumb compared to a lot of people.

[warm phoenix]

I might just pack base and transport all coal iron and copper by truck

If i can find place flat enough for new base that is

[violet granite]

You can make flat with foundations

Half of my bases end up floating over the ocean tbh lol

[limpid cairn]

yeah same

[silk ocean]

My longest train run was about 14.2km of track, until I built an interlink xD

[signal shale]

my base is floating over the desert, though I could add support pillars if I cared enough.

[silk ocean]

Must..have...supports xD

[violet granite]

Ficsit's magic antigrav foundations

[silk ocean]

In before 1.2 introduces gravity for foundations and buildings and everybodies factories collapse xD

[warm phoenix]

Collapsing foundations, exploding machineries, flung items...

Them CPU's are toast

[signal shale]

I seem to recall Minecraft was toying with adding gravity to blocks, too, at one point.

[silk ocean]

Some have it like Gravel

[limpid cairn]

It’s actually insane that Minecraft has a somewhat good gravity system without using an engine

Blocks like sand and gravel can be shot away with tnt if done correctly

[silk ocean]

I'm guessing simulating gravity alone isn't so hard, it's physics that's the hard part methinks?

[violet granite]

It Depends

[silk ocean]

Well I suppose gravity alone in the purest sense is just a constant vector / pull on an object towards the center of the body or ground

[signal shale]

one advantagee of having a base floating above the terrain is you have room to hide pipes and belts under the foundations so your factory floors are neat(er)

[silk ocean]

Then build walls or foundations around the perimeter and nobody will never know the spaghetti nightmare that lurks beneath XD

[signal shale]

indeed

[violet granite]

I keep all my sghetti in the open to spite god

[silk ocean]

Prettty much the same here XD

To spite the spaceship

[limpid cairn]

It’s annoying to implement into a game

[silk ocean]

I can imagine most of that stuff is non-trivial yea

[leaden turret]

October 3rd, 2023 Livestream
Q&A: How do you feel about adding Gravity effects on floating items?
https://youtu.be/e_k8T6a4g1o

no we wouldn't do that it would ruin factories and also we think it would remove a fun like building experience aspect of the game and also performance-wise It's a nightmare to optimize for that

[silk ocean]

Oh yea I wouldn't want that to be implemented personally xD

Would definitely ruin factories lol

Just build supports under stuff if you want it to look more realistic I say

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> hairy legs as buildable pieces, maybe?

[silk ocean]

Hairy legs?! xD

Wat that - like a giant spider building lol

I usually just use those large concrete blocks for the supports

[leaden turret]

no, literally just a hairy 🦵

[silk ocean]

XD

[cursive totem]

yeah i think its fine as it is. building supports is fun as well

[leaden turret]

@grave burrow thoughts?

[silk ocean]

You can zoop supports pretty quickly as well in vertical mode

[dense violet]

as much fun as grav affecting buildings would be I understand why they don't do it xD

[leaden turret]

hairy legs would of course be non-zoopable

[silk ocean]

Fixed length hairy legs or modular hairy legs

[leaden turret]

modular hairy legs implies separate feet & knee pieces

[silk ocean]

Adjustable length hairy legs above and below knee joint with 3 foot size options

[leaden turret]

so you could go thigh - knee - shin - knee - shin - knee - shin - foot

[dense violet]

weirdest human centipede sequel so far

[silk ocean]

A leg with 3 knees?

[leaden turret]

customiser skins for amount of leg hair

[silk ocean]

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[leaden turret]

good for bio-mechanical horror factories 😛

[silk ocean]

XD

[signal shale]

in other news, thoughts on my screenshot? I've been setting up foundations for my new factory, and figured I'd put a couple "roll up doors" in so there's a vague handwave in the direction of "how do you get things into that?"

[silk ocean]

Never used roll up doors tbh, I've seen videos - they activate for trains/vehicles ?

[signal shale]

nah, it's purely visual, using the steel wall texture

[silk ocean]

Ah right

[sterile blade]

I think some hand-railings could easily improve the looks there

[silk ocean]

Some lighting posts

[signal shale]

yeah, flood lights and such, sure.

[coral glacier]

Is there a specific amount of water needed per type of fuel rod in a reactor or is it the same regardless of fuel type?

[true mulch]

Same

[clear wadi]

should i build diluted fuel refinery the same floor with other water extractor?

[true mulch]

45/min coal gen, 240/min nuclear

[obsidian zodiac]

can confirm i will never visit japan nor am i going on vacation this year

[warm phoenix]

I dont have to visit japan cus im already there

[coral glacier]

Is that just generator specific and not fuel type specific?
Because if it is just generator specific and doesn't change depending on the type of fuel that'd be amazing.

[dense violet]

up to you? figure out what layouts you like 🙂

[gusty bronze]

if you are never going to Japan than ya'll have time to work on Saitsfactory 2.0 and take my money 😄

[peak wasp]

I'm never gonna travel again, can't leave my cats.

[silk ocean]

last time I went on vacation was about 8 years ago

More happy at home

[gusty bronze]

I feel this more than you know

[obsidian zodiac]

vacation is still a new concept to me having only moved to sweden about a year ago

[gusty bronze]

I currently get 5 weeks of vacation a year, I never use them to take vacation, I use them for burn out or getting adult things done

[silk ocean]

Yea prob feels like you're kinda on perma vacation at least until once used to the new country xD

[silk ocean]

Same xD

[obsidian zodiac]

that seems like a healthy use of vacation time

[gusty bronze]

like I so badly need to take a burn out day today but I got told Friday that I needed to write a 5 year plan to upgrade my teams software to a new system that nobody has training on, including me, and there are no archtects in the company to support, also it's due yesterday

[obsidian zodiac]

i wish, mostly just feels like im broke and dont know how anything works 😂 coffee stain is the one oasis in this swedish hellscape /s

[obsidian zodiac]

thats insane

[silk ocean]

lol fair xD CSS seems like a great company that's for sure

[gusty bronze]

they do drip, espresso, french, italian, or turkish style coffee?

and get the weird looks when you order black?

[obsidian zodiac]

nah i think a lot of swedes drink their coffee black. AFAIK most popular here is drip and espresso. people have french presses at home

[gusty bronze]

good on the swedish

I french press or turkish at home and drink black, I'm not against adding things to coffee, but if you NEED to than it was bad coffee to begin with

[silk ocean]

I tend to drink coffee black, in fact there is one on my desk right now, virtually zero calories xD

But nothing fancy, just filter coffee

[obsidian zodiac]

now i need to go get coffee, thank you for the reminder

[silk ocean]

xD

[gusty bronze]

you're welcome 😄 as I sit on my 5lb bag 😄

[true mulch]

Building specific. And in fact one of the few things the game internally stores as /min instead of amount and cycle duration

[gusty bronze]

got a coffee roaster not 7 miles from my house, sells very cheap, maybe 15% markup on most of his beans and he has this guatamalen bean that is just delicious

[true mulch]

Each fuel defines what the "supplement" is for each building it can be burned in, as well as the byproduct and byproduct amount

But so far all just use water

[peak wasp]

I love coffee

[rose tulip]

I am new to this game

[obsidian zodiac]

welcome!

[rose tulip]

played it 15 hrs or sth

this week

[gusty bronze]

your life before now is gone, welcome to your new life

[silk ocean]

I usually buy the larger bags from the sueprmarket but I should really check out local suppliers, there are a few I know of

[rose tulip]

is spamming coal efficient?

[gusty bronze]

most local suppliers are nearly the same price as a supermarket with a better bean so always worth checking out

[rose tulip]

The more the better right?

[gusty bronze]

initially yes, but once you get to dilluted fuel (alternative recipe for fuel) you will switch off coal and use the coal for other things

[silk ocean]

Yea for sure, there is one in town I know of, next time I'm down there I'll pop in. I need to stock up soon as it happens

[rose tulip]

but why switch off coal

why not both, its automated

[gusty bronze]

coal is not a long term fuel source, the higher level fuel sources are far more efficient and provide insanely more power per node, additionally you will use that cold for other recipes, trust me on that 😄

[rose tulip]

is dilluted fuel the thing I have to sacrifice a hard drive for?

[gusty bronze]

yes, well worth it

[true mulch]

Absolutely

That and 'Heavy Oil Residue' alt are almost universally the most useful alts

[gusty bronze]

you get to use water to multiply a limited resource, and yeah heavy oil also great

[rose tulip]

are there enough hard drives for every recipe n research?

[true mulch]

Yes

[gusty bronze]

more than enough

[rose tulip]

ok

[gusty bronze]

keep in mind though, if you have a target recipe you need to have unlocked that component first before the hard drive will find the alt

and to add some contention this early in chat, I used coal to make diamonds, fight me on it

[rose tulip]

can you mine diamonds?

[gusty bronze]

nope, have to make them, last phase stuff

and it's never not been an arguement on which diamond recipe is the best

[rose tulip]

then why would that be controversial

[gusty bronze]

by the time you are doing end tier you are running short on specific nodes

[rose tulip]

ah so what alternatives are there

[rose tulip]

And nodes mean? Electricity?

[gusty bronze]

oh for the love of god, that stupid spam bot again

[rose tulip]

wiki. Got it.

[carmine aspen]

i just finished my secondary coal plant

[dense violet]

there's lots of recipes for diamonds

[gusty bronze]

resource nodes

[rose tulip]

oh ok

[dense violet]

they are all viable.
you are unlikely to be running out of nodes

[rose tulip]

cant just overclock and use high tier miners?

[gusty bronze]

in general 3 coal nodes for coal plants are enough to carry me to fuel generators

[gusty bronze]

you are, you still run out of certain resources, trying not to spoil it

[carmine aspen]

2 nodes allowed me to power 12 of em

[dense violet]

like I said, you're unlikely to be running out of resources unless you make a REAL effort to use all the alt recipes that use a particular resource

[rose tulip]

1 pure coal node with a mark 2 miner is 240 coal/minute
Since generators need 15/min that means you get 16 per pure node

on a mark 2

without overclock

[gusty bronze]

I demand satiusfactory 2.0 have 5 times as many nodes

[rose tulip]

nah

[gusty bronze]

also more SAM, cause that stuff is fun to play with

[carmine aspen]

nah man 2.0 is gunna be the underwater update

[gusty bronze]

Satisfactory: Subnautica

wait wait, lets get the full lore going on, Satisfactory: Sabnautica: Natural Selection 2 edition

[rose tulip]

change the glider first 😭

cant bhop with it properly and cant take it off

otherwise id die

[gusty bronze]

odd, might want to record that behavior with send a bug report

[rose tulip]

this server seems barely alive why is there slow mode

[carmine aspen]

i just dont use it kek

[rose tulip]

it aint a bug its a feature

cant hold spacebar

After I peaked the jump

[gusty bronze]

thats up to the server owner for you to ask, some people like slow mode and leave the server running even if people aren't logged in

[rose tulip]

also

food?

[gusty bronze]

rumor has it that you are a brain in a jar, no comfirmation

[carmine aspen]

hunger system in satisfactory what if?

[rose tulip]

to heal

which one is best n can it be automated

[gusty bronze]

cannot be automated, there is no best

[rose tulip]

I know mush heals most but is it as common as others?

[gusty bronze]

you want to turn them in to drug inhalers for max use

[rose tulip]

or should I spam inhalers

ohk

[gusty bronze]

take a puff of that alien stuff, whats the worst that can happen? 😄

[idle owl]

I'm at phase 4 and so far i've been box crafting every space elevator part, is that a bad thing to do? ^^"

[carmine aspen]

its weird how we cant automate flora when we were given the only purpose on this planet: "exploit any available resource" -ADA

[rose tulip]

Box?

[gusty bronze]

up to you, I usually automate it

[rose tulip]

what does box mean, they cant be manually crafted

[idle owl]

since you cant handcraft them you attach an assembler to 2 storage crates and send that into the elevator

[gusty bronze]

you use some space parts to make more space parts so it's best to automate it than isolate it

[rose tulip]

ah

theres an easy solution

[gusty bronze]

there are several points in the game where it's a tad easier in the short term to not automate something and just hand feed crap in to a machine

[silk ocean]

I hand feed from depot into nuke nobelisks and power shards

[gusty bronze]

it's better to long term plan though, and the absolute worst that happens is you take your leftover space elevator items and get tickets from them, which they have high ticket values

[idle owl]

yeah thats true

i made 1500 alien DNA capsules last night and just sinked them all
i have no use for them anymore other than tickets since i've done almost everything in the MAM

[rose tulip]

how I did it:
Placed 2 conveyor splitters next to each others on the production belt of the item I use. Then delete conveyor in between them and afterwards the splitters. Then just connect the open end to the assembler then to elevator.

so I can change it back easily

could also mark the conveyors I rearranged with something maybe ladders

[idle owl]

i usually colour code my conveyors based on the item thats coming through

quartz is purple until its silica which is white

etc

[rose tulip]

doesnt just the outer thing change?

[idle owl]

yes but its still very noticable

[rose tulip]

also what comes after coal

[gusty bronze]

oil

[idle owl]

if you mean powerwise then yes oil

[gusty bronze]

also when you unlock smart splitters, 100% will change how you do things, smart mergers, still don't get why people couldn't just math

[rose tulip]

not the hard drive sacrifice thing

[silk ocean]

I don't think I've used a single smart merger xD

[carmine aspen]

as soon as i get the smart splitters im sushi spamming

[gusty bronze]

oil leads to fuel generators, once you get fuel generators use the hard drive

[rose tulip]

gotta go see yall

[idle owl]

they're really good for aluminium production

with the silica balancing

[silk ocean]

Are they? xD I seemed to manage without

[gusty bronze]

the fact they people pestered them in to adding it to the game when every excuse for it's existence is invalid still annoys me

[idle owl]

honestly though sometimes i just use them cause they look fancy

[gusty bronze]

I've not once used a smart anything for aluminum

[idle owl]

general rule of thumb i have for all my factories is a smart splitter going into a sink for when there's overflow

[gusty bronze]

or anything with a byproduct whose production can't stop

[idle owl]

that way im always generating a decent amount of tickets and theres no dips in power usage

[idle owl]

that too

for example, me turning alumina solution into aluminium scrap, i had a water biproduct

i didnt wanna pipe over plastic just to package it so i used it to power a couple coal generators since i was already bringing coal for that recipe tree

[gusty bronze]

the aluminum water byproduct is useful though, just most people struggle with the fraction the first time

[idle owl]

i always use it for a couple extra MW of power

[gusty bronze]

I feed it back in and use water locks to prevent it from shutting down, if the server is being jittery I also add in water storage segments

[idle owl]

every factory i have

[frozen shoal]

Just wanted to share that game runs pretty well on Linux.

[idle owl]

water flows up into a storage tank
then down into the factory
BUT I ALWAYS MAKE EXCESS

[frozen shoal]

8 run arch Linux and game runs pretty good

[idle owl]

just incase something goes wrong, with the server lagging or
i've had it where a server just doesnt register the inside of something at one point
so having that backup just incase
Chef's kiss

[clear wadi]

cant build while on water is soo bad

[idle owl]

bind foundations to your hotbar and zoop them under you

[gusty bronze]

you can, just need to build up from the bottom or out from the shore

[clear wadi]

i want to build platform underwater so water extractor fit in the same high

[clear wadi]

thx

i didnt know i can bind blueprint to my hotbar till now

[gusty bronze]

had a thought since I'm seeing new players, just a reminder to ALWAYS build to the world grid, press CTRL when building to snap to world grid, this makes everything everywhere on the map align

[clear wadi]

oh i mean cant build when your character is on water

[gusty bronze]

jetpacks, as god intended

honestly thats one feature I've always wanted, a jet pack/hover hybrid item that lets you switch modes

[coral glacier]

This is so helpful, thanks!

[reef basin]

well it's workday in EU, not many people here

I've been here when it wasn't slowmode, it was hell

and it's 5 seconds slowmode, it shouldn't cause any issues to you, except if you're doing something the slowmode is trying to prevent 😉

[coral glacier]

Like spamming how amazing the Beans are

[silk ocean]

I sometimes hit slowmode if I am typing two lines instead of just writing it all as one XD

[coral glacier]

[silk ocean]

or using shift+enter a better solution

[reef basin]

which is one of the things the slowmode is trying to prevent 🙂

[silk ocean]

I assume it's not really there to block someone typing 2 lines, more like spamming like 10 or something

[reef basin]

in general reduction of number of messages 🙂

[rose tulip]

its actually fine, 5 seconds are good. Its just inconvenient for when I write something and forgot to add something

[reef basin]

that's why we have "edit message" for

[rose tulip]

bugged on my device…

[reef basin]

out of curiosity, which device is that? (and how is it bugged?)

[silk ocean]

I'm guessing some sort of touch screen thing xD

[rose tulip]

not rlly bugged but featured wrong

yh ipad

so I cant move the typing thing to the middle of a word

it jumps to the end

[hybrid nymph]

It's official

Trains are dumb

The AI on trains is really really stupid

[silk ocean]

There isn't AI as such

There is like a pathing algorithm and they follow rules/signals

[rose tulip]

its programmed to do what u tell it to though?

[hybrid nymph]

There needs to be an option that the devs add in for trains to make it so the train only travels One direction

I for the life of me could not get my train to stop at a station and then continue forward on the damn track

For some dumb reason the train stops at the station and then goes in reverse

[silk ocean]

Station wrong way around?

[hybrid nymph]

And I have absolutely no idea of how to fix it

[silk ocean]

Sounds like user-error to me xD

[hybrid nymph]

Tried that already

I rebuilt the station four times

I rebuilt the tracks twice

[rose tulip]

isnt that like…

[hybrid nymph]

I even disassembled the train three times

[rose tulip]

…a skill issue?

[reef basin]

place a signal

[dense violet]

Show some overhead images

Sounds like a simple user error

[hybrid nymph]

Have no damn clue how signals work.

[reef basin]

signals are one-way unless built on both sides

(and I'd recommend learning signals)

[hybrid nymph]

So I just gave up and just built a new station that the train stops at with a buffer so that the train just goes two ways

Because as far as I'm concerned trains are impossible

[silk ocean]

And you're saying trains are dumb xD Maybe figure out signalling and then reconsider 😄

[hybrid nymph]

I could not for the life of me get the dumb train to find a path to the oil station from my coal

[regal lantern]

Nothing wrong with running belts across the map to avoid trains

[hybrid nymph]

So I had to redo both stations and make the train work the way it wanted to work not the way I wanted it to work

[rose tulip]

mark 3 is cheaper than mark 2. fight me

[regal lantern]

Mark 6 belts

[rose tulip]

they exist?

[regal lantern]

Yeah, 1200/m

[rose tulip]

I am at phase 2

so u trolling

I see

[regal lantern]

I did cross map belts from Phase 2

[hybrid nymph]

I mean I solved the problem, I just changed the loading and unloading docks at my oil station

[regal lantern]

From the start really, it's difficult getting up to my sky platform without a jetpack or a cannon

[split trench]

Should ban the phrase "skill issue" on this server.

[rose tulip]

No actually they do exist

oh ok

[hybrid nymph]

I mean I solved the problem, I just changed the station at both my coal and oil so that it loads coal and drops it off at a different spot

[regal lantern]

Wouldn't that result in more skill issues?

Also quick question, would overclocked coal generators use 112.5 water/m or does it do rounding like the shown number? I can't tell from the wiki unless I'm being dumb

[hybrid nymph]

I mean I solved the problem, I just changed the station at both my coal and oil so that it loads coal and drops it off at a different spot

[rose tulip]

doesnt it tell

[hybrid nymph]

Fully overclocked coal generators use 113m ^3 of water per minute

[rose tulip]

u wont run out of electricity if you do 111 to stay safe

[regal lantern]

It should be 112.5 if you follow the maths (45*2.5). Visually it says 113

And that's a big difference since I'd be looking at 14400 water/m into 128 generators at the moment

[rose tulip]

do less them

why no oil

[regal lantern]

Because I don't need to burn oil

[rose tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/nooil-gif-18011240882695751208

[regal lantern]

And all my oil is stuck in a wacky setup that gives me rubber and plastic

[ripe basin]

HOW MUCH

[rose tulip]

ocean drainage

[hybrid nymph]

As much as I hate coal generators, I have to use them as backup for my fuel powerplant. Because in case The refinery stop producing turbo fuel for some reason, Because they run out of compacted coal, then the entire power network doesn't shut off

[ripe basin]

Yeah

[regal lantern]

This is a backup for my 1tw nuclear setup incase I've made a mistake that won't turn up for a few hundred hours

[hybrid nymph]

I really need to get into nuclear power

[ripe basin]

Arent you the guy that complained about pipes?

[regal lantern]

Should provide enough power to run the inputs for nuclear so I can restart it

Yeah, I hate pipes

And I had some janky setup with oil that suffered from pipes

So it's all packagers and unpackagers now

[ripe basin]

I hate fluids, not pipes

[hybrid nymph]

If only we had Mk3 pipes that transported 1200m ^3 of water

[regal lantern]

All my pipes go to/from packagers at the moment for oil and now coal power

[ripe basin]

Do not

[regal lantern]

I need to redo my aluminium next with the same idea

[rose tulip]

I saw a lot of people going insane about mk2 pipes should I hesitate to replace

[hybrid nymph]

Or better yet We just do it like They do in Minecraft with thermal expansion where there is a special fluid pipe that can transfer limitless fluids

[rose tulip]

called 1x1x7?

[ripe basin]

Dont say stuff like that, youll attract the guy

[craggy oar]

“your factory has flooded”

[ripe basin]

Im scared of him

[regal lantern]

And I just did the calculations, I need double the water or so for all my planned coal power

[ripe basin]

Hes called Lt_Lemming

[hybrid nymph]

I really wish there was a special fluid pipe called a "cryo infused pressurized fluid pipe" that had infinite fluid transfer

[regal lantern]

Since I'll be pulling 8400/m to power 224 generators, needing 25200 water/m

[rose tulip]

how bout dam oil

[regal lantern]

No

I don't need oil power

[hybrid nymph]

I love oil power

[regal lantern]

All my oil goes to plastic/rubber

[hybrid nymph]

Turbofuel is the best

[ripe basin]

I love it too brother

[rose tulip]

if you put a quarter of water pumps in oil youd probably have more electricity

[regal lantern]

And the residue gets recycled

[hybrid nymph]

Fossil fuels for the fucking win baby!

[regal lantern]

I don't need more electricity lol

[rose tulip]

what r hard drive recipes used for

[regal lantern]

I've got 1tw from a nuclear setup, this is just a wacky backup

[regal lantern]

Alternative recipes are often better/sidegrades to make things lategame.

[rose tulip]

waste o‘time then

[hybrid nymph]

Let's destroy the environment together! 💥🚫🌳

[rose tulip]

like mk 6 belt?

[ripe basin]

For making things more easily, or making more things per resource, or making things faster, or making things with a different item

[regal lantern]

MK6 belt has value, it's a different way to make a resource

[hybrid nymph]

Now I just got to figure out how to deliver my silica quartz to my aluminum plant

Via trains

[ripe basin]

Drones brother

[hybrid nymph]

But I don't want to make batteries though

[regal lantern]

So making Steel with iron ingots and coal instead of iron ore and coal, resulting in better steel yields per iron mine

[rose tulip]

• loves lizard
• destroys lizard environment
• deems himself worthy of having a lizard pet

[rose tulip]

that works?

[regal lantern]

Yeah

[ripe basin]

You can use fuel
Or nuclear rods

[rose tulip]

can drones be automated or do they need manual refill

[coral glacier]

Like Plutonium :)

[ripe basin]

They have 3 ports, 2 inputs and 1 output

[regal lantern]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Hard_Drive There's a list of alternate recipes here, plenty are worth getting

[rose tulip]

why 2 input

[gusty bronze]

lots of ways to multiply raw resources if you complicate it a bit

[ripe basin]

An input for fuel, an input for items and an output for items

[hybrid nymph]

Oh yeah huh forgot about that. Once I produce all the adaptive control units I need, I can make it so my factory focus is solely on producing the space elevator parts and computers

[rose tulip]

his link was deleted

[coral glacier]

Mk.3 Miners with Power shards and Somersloops. :)

And alternate crafting

[rose tulip]

u admin or sth?

[ripe basin]

12000/pm iron

[regal lantern]

Wat, no

[hybrid nymph]

Are drones better than trains?

[coral glacier]

I need 12000/pm uranium waste

[gusty bronze]

that bot and I have a years long history of animosity, I think it just hates me at this point

[silk ocean]

Can't really compare them, they serve different purposes

[regal lantern]

I'm just someone who lost their sanity making a nuclear setup and now I'm determined to get all sorts of liquid processing centralised through a lot of packing and unpacking

[rose tulip]

@ripe basin you are not the hollow knight

[hybrid nymph]

I've never actually used drones before

[coral glacier]

Or is he? :)

[gusty bronze]

drones are better for low volum long distance

trains are better for high volume medium distance

[hybrid nymph]

I'll think about getting them set up once I get the aluminum plant up and running

[gusty bronze]

and hands done, nothing beats crafting mk6 conveyors from one side of the map to the other 😄