satisfactory

[viscid bobcat]

man im too tired for thois

[steady glade]

otherwise try to place the pump about 2 foundations above the extractors' output

[viscid bobcat]

this game is rotting me

[split pewter]

ficsit does not value resting, but being unable to work due to fatigue is highly frowned upon.

[viscid bobcat]

wow

i havent eaten in 8 hours man

d

[split pewter]

first time?

[viscid bobcat]

do I need to keep working?

[steady glade]

was that even a question?

[fast roost]

the factory must grow

[sterile blade]

||Play responsably and take care of your health||
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[split pewter]

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[cosmic laurel]

uh oh, i built my hub somewhere, and i dont remember where

[topaz shale]

The Hub should be labeled in your compass at the top of the screen.

[cosmic laurel]

ye i found it xd

[wicked nacelle]

Hub is overrated

[jade anvil]

are you able to transfer nitrogen gas on a train?

[agile grotto]

It’s just a quick rubber/plastic setup. No problem…4hrs later 😵‍💫

[topaz shale]

Just a quick 25 minute adventure.

Yeah this game gets like that.

[agile grotto]

I mean it’s gotta look pretty right?

[keen oriole]

what should I build at coast for power infra at all? at t8 and everything unlocked.

[fast roost]

rocket fuel is a fun to burn for fuel

especially if you use the diluted packaged fuel recipe

[jade anvil]

Im not able to get my gas to go into the freight platform

[fast roost]

you gotta use the liquid car

[jade anvil]

bruh nvm

[fast roost]

or package it into containers

[keen oriole]

hm ok!

[split brook]

I’m taking a big shit rn

[fast roost]

just know that generators burn like 4 rocket fuel/min at 100% clock speed

so if you make a ton of rocket fuel itll take a lot of generators to burn it off

[keen oriole]

nice ok!

[trim vine]

I produce 8k rocket fuel

Without power showers it would have ~1950 gennies

Ended up building approx 800 or so at 250%

[gilded goblet]

do you need fuel at every port or does the drone have a fuel slot it uses

[keen oriole]

it depends how far the port is. like I have a drone doing a trip that takes 89 fuel per trip but a drone only holds 100 so, I can do that with fuel at only one end.

but if it was a 110 fuel trip, I need fuel at both ends

I think.

[gilded goblet]

ah

[keen oriole]

I need to figure out how to make power shards first.

[topaz shale]

I hate to do it but I'm going to build small for now for my power/plastic and rubber factory. Will only be making enough fuel for 5000mw from one pure node at 250%. I'll think about bumping up my power production the moment I may need more of it.

[trim vine]

Until power shards are automated they really should only be used for extractors and power

There are ~5000 if you sloop most of your slugs early on

[topaz shale]

And then I'll just use one of my impure nodes for fuel canisters for my stuff.

[keen oriole]

I probably only missed a few hundred but I haven't gone hunting all the slugs yet, I just started slooping them so I should be ok

[gilded goblet]

my round trip uses 9.56 fuel LMAO

and it's going 3.700m

[boreal musk]

fluids can only be in fluid car, unless you package them
gasses most of the time behave poorly in buffers so its better to packaged them, not to mention the package is condensed to 2-4x which is more space efficient

personally i prefer drones over trains for packaged fluids

[gilded goblet]

yea i'm using drones rn

the thing I'm using drones for is taking fluid tanks from my alum factory over to my prf factory

[topaz shale]

I still can't believe that I went the turbofuel route on my last game. I think that giant turbofuel power plant was the last thing I built before just giving up on that save.

Just regular fuel is good enough for phase 3

[cosmic laurel]

i know with alternate recipes number get weird, but having to use 1.067 blender for nitric acid makes me cry

[fast roost]

thats why we have slugs

[cosmic laurel]

ye i probably should use them more

with the website map can you tell what buildings have slugs?

[fast roost]

probably

youre able to craft them late game

use em as much as you want then slow down once you start running out

[dense violet]

you have an irrational fear of decimals

[fast roost]

what

[dense violet]

Ape.

[wicked nacelle]

scim tells you where slugs and sloops are in the buildings list via metadata like % and x#

but shards aren't super valuable because eventually you can make infinite

[spare crow]

i am an idiot, how do i hit the nobelisk detonator? they just keep reloading and throwing

[velvet idol]

right click

[spare crow]

ugh, my right click is jump

[distant condor]

Why😂

[spare crow]

because of some DOS game in the 90s

just what i'm used to

[distant condor]

Fair enough

So I guess your new detonate is space

[velvet idol]

check the keybinds, it's whatever your Secondary Fire button is

[spare crow]

it was F6? lol, at least it can be mouse5 now

though, for deforesting an area nobelisks are crap turns out

probably why i didn't use them much last time either

[distant condor]

Get that chainsaw buddy

[wicked nacelle]

I played dos games in the 90s. ain't no games were right click to jump

What game? It wasn't commander f'n keen

[keen oriole]

possibly skyroads

[willow glen]

I have finally finished ficsonium, going from uranium to ficsonium only took me like 60 hours ugh. Not worth it, but I hadn’t done it yet, so now I have

[keen oriole]

https://youtu.be/jejhG6aYQIY

[wicked nacelle]

I may try to turn mine back on, but I absolutely turned it off to stabilize my BWD production

[keen oriole]

skifree

[wicked nacelle]

SMFH

[willow glen]

you turned it… off? To use the resources for more BWD?

[wicked nacelle]

I think I didn't have all my SAM consolidated properly at the time. I think I could get a few hundred GW more now

[willow glen]

ah yeah I have about half the SAM on the map going into it, 7 train stops worth (because the nodes are so spread out)

[wicked nacelle]

I basically move all my sam to a central dropoff now and then a pickup for what needs it so I can monitor what uses what

[willow glen]

that is what makes it not worth it the most tbh, that alone took quite a while, and ties up a lot of SAM

[gilded goblet]

ive been considering starting a new save after reaching t9 and automating the t9 stuff, just to see how much better I can do

[willow glen]

do it! You can only megabase so large before your computer will crumble. When I get to that point (or feel it coming), I restart, and do it better

[gilded goblet]

well when I get my new computer it wont crumble

[willow glen]

this run i went all in on power shards to reduce machine count, see if that helps. It does. A bit

[gilded goblet]

it just WONT

I dont think satisfactory end game base can make a Ryzen 7 9800x3d and a Radeon rx 9070xt crumble

[willow glen]

I intended to transport more things by drone but I ended up just belting or training everything yet again since drones just don’t fit in for me. I think I deliver 3 things total with them, one of those being the batteries

[gilded goblet]

now, 1440p ultra w global illumination on ultra would

[gilded goblet]

currently im too lazy to setup another alum plant so I just drone in my automated fluid tanks to my rocket fuel facility 😂

use rocket fuel for my drones

[willow glen]

ya rocket fuel is a good option too, I ended up using the batteries elsewhere so it wasn’t a total waste lol

[gilded goblet]

ah

0.08 fuel/ minute tho so

the main thing i hate ab my world is my main base though

[willow glen]

ah ya batteries are used for the supercomputer alt.

[gilded goblet]

I see

[willow glen]

Build another one! Honestly with the depot it doesn’t even need to be just one

[gilded goblet]

yea

[willow glen]

I intended to replace my hub but I got my portals set up and was strapped for power, hence the nuclear I just whined about

[gilded goblet]

ah

Id love to build a megabase with hypertubes launching me to every factory at mach asshole but I just dont know how to make a base look not ass

[willow glen]

take inspiration from others!

[buoyant silo]

trial and error

[gilded goblet]

fair

[hollow spruce]

im a little confused whenever i use my blueprints they can craft but then it doesnt show up (nor does the hologram) and it still takes my resources too

[exotic pilot]

Is there a way to remove normal rocks

[gilded goblet]

yea that's what I've been trying

[buoyant silo]

Nobelisks can work on some

[dense violet]

and planning it from the end point, along with all logististics

[exotic pilot]

Normal rocks

[spare crow]

oh shit i totally forgot about that game! we did play that a LOT

[willow glen]

Yes, a lot of the normal ones can be blown up too, just like trees

not all of them tho

[exotic pilot]

Whaa

[buoyant silo]

hopefully they add something to remove every rock in the future

[dense violet]

only some normal rocks. Very small ones usually

[exotic pilot]

Ok

[dense violet]

basically debris

[exotic pilot]

There should be a way to excavate

[buoyant silo]

my buddy and I built a huge tower in the middle of the map and we have hypertubes at the top floor connecting to each outpost/biome

[dense violet]

terraforming has to be included in hte core part of the game. Not going to happen

[gilded goblet]

yeeee that's kinda what I wanted to do

[exotic pilot]

Wdym

[dense violet]

if you don't plan for terraforming from the very start in agame, it's not coming

[exotic pilot]

Why not

[dense violet]

because that's something you need to build into hte game at teh start , and even then it's a ton of work to implement

[exotic pilot]

Ig

[spare crow]

someone a couple days (weeks?) ago posted a hypertube loop thing that they used as a launcher instead of the 10 or whatever hypertube entrances in a row... anyone else see this or have a screenshot of it? trying to make one

[cosmic laurel]

idk if this actually a common issue but would like to avoid it. if i have 2 trains each needing to pick up at a rate of 150/min from a station, and that station is receiving 300min, the numbers line up. but if the first train is always arriving just before the second train it is gonna take some time before the first trains stop gets full and the second can start to pick up. is this a common issue and is there any way to address it?

[cursive crane]

Type satisfactory 1.1 hypertube cannon into youtube you'll get about a half dozen or so videos

[cursive crane]

A design of the train system you need to account for.

You can adjust wait/delay times at stations to try to compensate. But your best bet is to just prefill the system and set the trains to only move when needed. Saves you on power and planning

Same thing could eventually be achieved just be turning down consumption by a few points, the further you go the faster it will fill.

If you really really want to run it the current way otherwise, will have to experiment with the delays/wait times

Trains are made for moving large amounts of product in bulk, if you are trying to move a few stacks at a time drones, belts, or trucks may be easier to deal with otherwise. Hope that helps.

[wicked nacelle]

The way you address it is the same as any manifold. You wait. If one train gets too much for long enough it will fill up and stop picking up. Then the other will get its amount and it will reach equilibrium. It just takes longer than belt manifolds potentially

If a delivery mechanism delivers faster than consumption it will back up and delivery will slow.

This game is incredibly elegant with respect to manifold systems

[cursive crane]

Just wont happen if you are making 300 and using 300. Kinda defeats the point of trains honestly to use it for such low consumption

[wicked nacelle]

it absolutely doens't defeat the purpose

trains are low power (and power equivalent fuel) vs drones. And proper highway systems scale with basically no work

[cursive crane]

I get it if its like... across the map or something. But belts would save you on power, space, and headache if its not

[wicked nacelle]

belts have literally no downside other than time... so yeah. "belts are better" than literally everything

max sink point build uses belts entirely to ship EVERYTHING to one awesome sink

that doesn't seem like a useful metric

[white dawn]

I had a train line on my 1.0 save whose sole job it was to transfer 2/min HMF. :D

[cursive crane]

Im not hating on trains, they are great. But there are a lot better ways to move 3-6 stacks of product than throwing 110mw into the wind

[wicked nacelle]

Do you know how much a drone port costs? (I'm guessing you don't)

[white dawn]

On the other hand, depending on the particular Pioneer's attitude towards power, 110MW is essentially nothing

[wicked nacelle]

and the drone fuel could be burned for power, too

[cursive crane]

And?

I didnt suggest drones.

I presented it as an option

[wicked nacelle]

AND the train is much lower power than any other option that is faster/more efficient than dragging belts

Yeah. "just drag another belt" is always the most efficient option if you don't care about time

or aesthetics

this is obvious and not in need of even the slightest discussion

[cursive crane]

Dude really thinks setting up train lines and all the logistics to go with it is quicker than belts for 300 belt speed

Crazy

[wicked nacelle]

and of course an engine doesn't take 100MW most of the time

[wicked nacelle]

Did you know that a proper rail setup requires almost no additional work to connect an addition factory?

You connect it to your existing rail and you have full access to everything that you've already set up

[cursive crane]

Im done talking to someone who thinks priority switches arent useful and belts are less efficient

[stone python]

i love satisfactory pissing matches. always fun to watch

[cursive crane]

I dont need logistics explained to me by someone so smoothbrain

[wicked nacelle]

Belts are MORE efficient for everything other than time. But most people don't want to just drag belts forever.

[dense violet]

....
each logistic method has it's own pluses and negatives and you're both ignoring the biggest impact trait for trains

resusable logistics and easily editable.

if you create a train line and plan your factories accordingly it becomes trivial adding more stations and small branches
plus you can edit volumes and movements very quickly , compared to flushing messes of belts that are dedicated to their item

[fast roost]

who owns the nuke hitting AW

[wicked nacelle]

I get it. math is hard for many people

also, reported

[fast roost]

sorry i had to i saw your clan tag

[wicked nacelle]

You apparently do

[cursive crane]

AW?

[stone python]

wait, what did you report them for LOL

[fast roost]

arent you a foxhole player

[cursive crane]

I played a few hours but not regular no lol

[fast roost]

ah damn

[cursive crane]

Is EBAH a large outfit there or something?

[fast roost]

no clue im not a warden

FEAR was a clan tag i recognized

[cursive crane]

Ooooo. No fear is my username lmao

[fast roost]

lol

[cursive crane]

Wish I could have gotten into foxhole. The logistic grind is real and I dont have enough time in my day lmao

[fast roost]

i havent touched logi in 20 wars

just join a clan with stable logi players and youre fine

[cursive crane]

I hate the idea of just stealing logi when colonials are soo starved for it lmao

Like playing logi, just massive timesink

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/556448894993563659

[fast roost]

ive lost faith in this discords moderators

there was an underage earlier and they just left him after 2 pings

[stone python]

the satisfactory community will never cease to give me enjoyment

[blazing citrus]

hoooly just finished automated basically everything i can in the early game im addicted

[cursive crane]

Now do aluminum

[wicked nacelle]

Aluminum isn’t incrementally hard. Vanilla recipe water recycling is pretty straightforward

[cosmic laurel]

wohoo fused frames automated

[peak wasp]

my satisfactory world is more messy than my room bro

first time playing As well

my trains crash my trucks fall and my power grid is geomtry dash and im only on phase 3 of space elevator

[cursive crane]

Theres no rush, taking some time to tidy everything up is worth

[rose scaffold]

Algum br?

[silk ocean]

I have decided.... executive decision... that nuclear reactors need too much water XD

960/min of water for 2 reactors... there won't be any ocean left at this rate XD

[sterile blade]

Just yesterday I was watching someone trying to figure it out... They were so close (to the "easiest" solution)!
"So, 18 water makes 12 Solution; then 4 Solutions makes 2 Water; so out if 18 Water, I get 6 back..." Looks at the three alumina solution recipes with manifolded water input, gears turning in the head... "The solution is Somersloops!!!"

[silk ocean]

The "I'll come back to this problem later" solution... bung in some sloops and GTFO xD

[sterile blade]

Nono, they fully planned to use 3 Sloops every 2 refineries to make closed loops.
Works like a charm, too bad they just had 3 Sloops total

[silk ocean]

Too bad there are only 106 sloops in the entire world XD

The plan would fall down sooner or later xD

[sterile blade]

They were soooo close to the "feed 2 with fresh, feed 1 with byproduct water" solution 😭

[earnest oak]

can someone check out my #screenshots and lmk how its looking

[silk ocean]

Reinforced Plates factory

Looks good, you might find it easier to build on Foundations

[cursive crane]

Not much we can tell from just that one.

Something I can suggest is filling up lines as much as possible can help keep things tidy, you can add a merger to an existing line for example so that 2 machines are ultimately feeding into one. Instead of running the outputs from all the machines to a merger further on

Worth youtubing Manifolds Vs Balancers to get more of an idea there

[earnest oak]

im trying to do everything blind ngl idk theres so many recipes to craft lmao

[sterile blade]

I don't think it's worth YouTubing anything before finishing at least the tutorial...

[cursive crane]

But you seem to have it lol

Lots of planning, foundations when you get them can allow you to build big open spaces to experiment with, don't be afraid to spread out, you'll never have enough space to build lmao

[earnest oak]

i only watched a little just so ik what to do at least

[earnest oak]

idk im using foundations for storage and just building far away lmao

[silk ocean]

You're doing much better than I was on my first rodeo

Probably doing better than me now 🤣

Hides spaghetti in cupboard

[cursive crane]

Ive watched like half a dozen people start fresh, its always entertaining to see how they start.
Additionally, tap spacebar to autocraft, not hold, tap.

The MAM and Awesome Sink/Shop are very important buildings to pay attention to for unlocking/buying buildings and special upgrades/goodies, soon as you can check them out for sure

Seeing people get to tier 4/5 without even opening those is p a i n

[shy mulch]

I learned about this game when Pirate Software streamed playing it from scratch for 2 days just after 1.0 was released, so from that I had a bit of an idea of what to expect. Seemed fun so bought it and played it through to complete space elavator before looking at any tutorials/youtubes/discord etc., and I'm glad I did. The way I did things on that first playthrough was completely silly, but it was a learning process and I loved that aspect of it. Once the elavator was complete I started watching tutorials and talking on discord and looking at how other people do things for inspiration to improve my own builds. I'm at 1100 hours now and still learning.

[cursive crane]

Only ogs discovered it through josh lol

[silk ocean]

My Steam purchase history indicates I bought it in August 2020, about 5 years ago, that was probably what U5/U6 era? maybe earlier?

[reef basin]

I bought it in Epic pre-sale 😛

[silk ocean]

xD

[cursive crane]

U4 iirc

[silk ocean]

Sounds about right yea

[cursive crane]

3

[silk ocean]

I remember trains being introduced and was like omg omg omg this is amazing XD

[cursive crane]

3 was february. 4 was 2021

[agile saffron]

Ficsit does not waste*

*the loss of pioneer life is not considered waste by this definition

[cursive crane]

My lord the last 6 years have dissapeared

[silk ocean]

Time flies when you're building factories xD

[storm talon]

My plan: build a plant just producing coal, one floor, over the water so that if needs be it can be expanded to oil production later.

2- build steel refinery a short distance away, across some, over some cliffs.

Actually maybe the steel refinery can go in the middle of the desert 🤔

Regardless I think the gold coast will be utilized heavily

[wispy gulch]

there is a good spot on the left side that has 4 coal nodes

i use there

[silk ocean]

The desert is a treasure trove of iron, copper, etc xD

Some caty and quartz too

And things xD

[storm talon]

Neat, I'll keep it in mind. I'm not looking forward to going back to crater lakes to get coal

[silk ocean]

Lots of coal in the desert too

Just no oil or bauxite

[storm talon]

There's oil along the goldcoast

I know cause it's where I set up my first coal generators

I chose rocky desert start

[silk ocean]

West Coast?

[storm talon]

East I think

Unless the map is inverted

[silk ocean]

Left coast xD

Lots of oil there

[wispy gulch]

i have like 20 coal generators just farmin there LOL

[storm talon]

You can use that many?

Maybe it's time to upgrade to mk2

[wispy gulch]

want me to show what i have i am still in phase 2 tho lol

[silk ocean]

No oil in the desert (top right biome, north/east)

[storm talon]

Yeah sure

[storm talon]

How do you bus without it looking spaghetti?

I'm thinking of just building foundation towers

[wispy gulch]

look at screenshots

[storm talon]

Nice

[wispy gulch]

hehe thanks

[shy mulch]

I'm falling victim to my own impatience again "I'll just get this working and make it look nice later" then later never comes because I've started doing something else

[storm talon]

@shy mulch tip for early game bussing?

[shy mulch]

I didn't bus anything until I was finished space elavator, so I'm probably the wrong one to ask haha

[storm talon]

Lol

[shy mulch]

I'm really starting to embrace trains now and loving it, wish I'd done proper train lines sooner

[storm talon]

I think what I'm going to do is build foundation towers with an aperture and just put power lines on top

[dense violet]

busing?

if you mean factorio type buses they don't work real well in this game

[shy mulch]

If you're using trains then they carry power, so you can pull a power line from the station

[storm talon]

I just mean organization of conveyors

Not factorio style busses

[dense violet]

yeah just make dedicated belts that feed dedicated systems

[storm talon]

Got it. I'm trying to avoid spaghetti rn

[shy mulch]

see #screenshots @storm talon

[storm talon]

That's what I mean

[shy mulch]

Yeah it's a silly way to do it, I do it myself but wouldn't reccomend it

[storm talon]

I'm prolly gonna just go with towers

[dense violet]

eh, tiers 1-9 can be treated like a tutorial until you make the game a sandbox. Be messy, just learn

[shy mulch]

100%

[storm talon]

I'm getting ready to complete phase 2

[dense violet]

that's within tiers 1-9

[storm talon]

Got it

[shy mulch]

yeah I consider the entire space elavator to be one massive tutorial

once you've "completed" the game, you start playing the game

[storm talon]

What's the point after the space elevator

[reef basin]

personal goals

[shy mulch]

Fun, satisfaction, play

[silk ocean]

Do you find when doing large builds somewhere, when using the build tool, especially I find with pipes, it takes a big FPS hit while using the tool

[reef basin]

like in any other sandbox

[storm talon]

Is there a rocket like factorio

Oh got it

[shy mulch]

I do get a FPS hit when building large blueprints

[silk ocean]

Hmm yea, as soon as I exit the build mode it's fine, only while using it

[shy mulch]

I got cocky when I started playing the game and just turned all the settings up to max because I thought my 4070 could handle anything, but it's starting to get a bit quirky now with my enormous build so I think it's time to start tweaking settings and see if I can make it run smoother

[silk ocean]

Unreal 5.x is pretty amazing really, not sure if everything has been converted to Nanite but it really does run very well I find

I find nuclear a bit frustrating, you can't quite fit 2 water extractors side-by-side when the reactors are all neatly aligned next to eachother xD

[viscid bobcat]

wait is there pipeline backflow?

if theres not enough pump will the water flow backwards and disrupt everything?

[silk ocean]

Theoretically I think so yep, fluids can flow either direction

[viscid bobcat]

I have a question

for some reason when I started my coal power plants, everything was fine and they ran for a bit

my coal power plants are elevated, with the water extractors being below them

for some reason they worked for a bit, but then water stopped flowing to the top floor

if it worked the first time, it must have enough headlift

but for some reason it just stopped flowing up

[silk ocean]

If you're doing more than about 10m headlift you need a pump

[viscid bobcat]

i mean how did the water get up there if there isnt enough heaflift

thats why I was asking if something went wrong, the water must've abruptly stopped midway the elevated pipe and flowed back

[silk ocean]

Sometimes I have found that initially fluid will get there and then stop

You can check each pipe section to see the contents

[viscid bobcat]

i did

[silk ocean]

It sounds like you need a pump

[viscid bobcat]

yea thats what i was thinking

ill try adding a pump, if it doesnt work then i dont even know at this point

im only at coal power plants and im tired of this troubleshooting

[silk ocean]

Can you post a #screenshots

[viscid bobcat]

this game is rotting me

[silk ocean]

xD

[shy mulch]

Turn your line of extractors 90 degrees, so you can have as many as you want in a line per nuclear reactor

[reef basin]

no, post a #1038092680493801533

[silk ocean]

This is the solution I have fallen upon xD

[viscid bobcat]

posted

[shy mulch]

that does seem like a headlift issue

[viscid bobcat]

I know

[silk ocean]

You probably need a pump yea

[viscid bobcat]

but water already got up there once

I dont know

[shy mulch]

maybe there was a pump somewhere else in the system before that you didn't think was relevant but was

[viscid bobcat]

havent touched a pump this save

[silk ocean]

Are those Mk.1 pipes enough, looks like there are a lot of them, remember they can only do 300/min so the ones upstream need to have enough capacity too

[shy mulch]

just add a pump tbh, takes 5 seconds and you'll be done

[viscid bobcat]

if they have too much water will they get clogged?

[shy mulch]

there's no need to bog yourself down with working out "why" at this stage

[viscid bobcat]

or something?

[shy mulch]

they will only allow the flow up to the slowest pipe in the system, if all your pipes are mk1 make sure nothing is needing more than 300/min

especially if you have a manifold system

[mortal ginkgo]

some people report that pump supports dont connect properly with pipes very rarely, did you try to rebuild them?

the pipe support included

[shy mulch]

note what I'm saying is simplified, there are nuances and pedants will say it's not 100% accurate, but I'm just trying to solve your problem not teach you the entire game, sorry if that's not ok

[viscid bobcat]

but wouldnt that mean some of the power plants would keep working?

the entire grid wouldnt just shut off

unless no water is getting up to the top floor at all

[green fiber]

It shuts off if you exceed your production

So if its one gen thats missing your entire grid blows

If you just happen to use that much power

[viscid bobcat]

the manifold was completely filled when I started my gens

on both sides

[green fiber]

And now its not? sounds like you dont make enough water

Or your pipes cant handle the flow

[viscid bobcat]

if my pipes cant handle the flow the thing will shut off?

then I should probably flush my pipes

[green fiber]

The generators will start starving

[viscid bobcat]

and clock my gens at 75%

[shy mulch]

There's a lot of unnecessary analysis going on. Double check the water you are producing is enough to satisfy the needs of your plants. If it is, replace the pipes (delete each pipe one at a time and rebuild it), if that doesn't work, add a pump.

[viscid bobcat]

i designed my pipes to have all 75% clocked gens

[shy mulch]

no, that's not what he's saying at all

[viscid bobcat]

idek what flushing the pipes doees

[shy mulch]

it just removes all liquid from the pipes, that's it

[viscid bobcat]

alright whatever im just gonna double check everything

[green fiber]

It empties the pipe

It removes the contents if you flush

[viscid bobcat]

how do I clock water extractors?

[shy mulch]

there's no reason to flush the pipes in your scenario, that's for later when dealing with solving residual outputs etc. which you're not at that stage yet

[viscid bobcat]

to 75%

[green fiber]

Honestly just start with the basics and add a pump at the extractors and make sure you dont exceed the 20m limit

[shy mulch]

why would you want to reduce the clock speed of the water extractor? the only reason to do that would be to use less power, but that really shouldn't be necessary

[green fiber]

you just clock them - if you unlocked overclocking in the MAM

[viscid bobcat]

I have to unlock that in the mam?

[green fiber]

But honestly, start with the basic troubleshooting first

[green fiber]

Yuh

[viscid bobcat]

well that kinda ruins my entire facility

you said that pipes cant handle too much flow right?

[shy mulch]

Let's take a step back, because you are overcomplicating things massively here

[shy mulch]

NObody has said that, you misunderstood

[viscid bobcat]

ok

[green fiber]

Just start with the pipeline pumps man

[shy mulch]

Answer these please
Total amount of water all of your water extractors are generating:
Total amount of water your coal plants need:

[green fiber]

Rule out one possible problem, then focus in the next

[viscid bobcat]

1080, 1080

well no, i am generating more let me check

[green fiber]

And how exactly did you connect all that with the pipes

[viscid bobcat]

im generating about 1350

[green fiber]

a single pipe can only move 300/min after all

[shy mulch]

Ok, perfect. Now can we see the entire layout? Each pipe is limited to 300

[green fiber]

So how is it all connected

An image from above where we can see all connections would help

[viscid bobcat]

let me get above

[silk ocean]

The fury of nuclear power hath descended upon me in the form of water and power shards and general nuclear-related rage and fury xD

[viscid bobcat]

ok wait, im gonna post it in screenshoits

i dont really know if theres a photo mode

where I can freecam or something

[cursive crane]

Lol mcgalleons got this

[viscid bobcat]

I think i can see the problem now

[peak wasp]

cool game! just got it

[shy mulch]

alright, so looks like you have 4 coal gens fed by each main pipe, is each main pipe doing more than 300?

[viscid bobcat]

wait no i dont

[green fiber]

P for photo mode
Then R to decouple camera

[shy mulch]

press P for photo mode

[viscid bobcat]

oh my god

how much does each water extractor pump out?

[shy mulch]

it will tell you on the water extractor

if you've unlocked overclocking in the mam then you can adjust it

[green fiber]

Open their menu and they show you

Also, the build menu tells you too

Just read the text it shows

[viscid bobcat]

120 right?

[green fiber]

Ye

[viscid bobcat]

ok so each main pipe produces 240

[shy mulch]

you have 2 extractors feeding into each main pipe?

[viscid bobcat]

yes

[shy mulch]

and that's meant to feed 4 coal gens?

[viscid bobcat]

wait a minute

4 water extractors per 8 generators

im confused by my pipe layout but yes

[wispy gulch]

nah 3 water

[viscid bobcat]

I know, i didnt know I had to research clocking in the mam

[shy mulch]

technically yes, but he's struggling with pipe mechanisms as it is, let's not complicate it

[wispy gulch]

ahh oki

[viscid bobcat]

im kind of an idiot when I was designing this

or I cant remember what I was planning

its 5 am right now, im fried

[shy mulch]

keep each system separate, just have 1 water extractor feeding 2 coal gens with a single pipe junction, repeat 4 times

that will simplify things massively

there are more efficient ways to do it, but that will work and will be simple

[viscid bobcat]

im gonna try to add pumps to it and if it doesnt work then im going to bed

[shy mulch]

I'm convinced it's a flow quantity matter, if that's the case then pumps wont help

[green fiber]

The flow probably sucks ass if you connected everything together with junctioms and pipes

[shy mulch]

you've got too many junctions

[green fiber]

Keeping it seperate is important so you can fix one thing and then move on

[shy mulch]

don't over complicate it

[viscid bobcat]

wait but having separate pipelines really makes it crouded as hell

[green fiber]

Dont design stuff while half asleep 💀 😆

[shy mulch]

how many coal gens do you have

[viscid bobcat]

24

[green fiber]

You already have a pipe per 2 generators

You can afford to seperate this more

[shy mulch]

ok, so you can squeeze it up a little bit, have 2 water extractors combined into one pipe and feed that into 4 coal gens, and make sure that is working, then repeat that 5 more times

[viscid bobcat]

but thats what im doing

or am I?

i dont really know at this point

[shy mulch]

and none of them are mixed up? none of the 2-4 pipe systems are linked to each other?

[green fiber]

You gotta be able to tell us man, its your coal power plant

[viscid bobcat]

no

[green fiber]

If you dont know then you should find out what you built there

[shy mulch]

ok, that's a good start

so of the 6 separate systems, how many are working and how many are not working

[viscid bobcat]

its not like its my design or something

[green fiber]

What you copied it?

[viscid bobcat]

no im joking

[silk ocean]

I think I might have been drunk when I built this nuclear power plant, some of the design decisions are..... questionable. It has some hallmarks of being wrekt xD

[viscid bobcat]

all of them were filling up until the coal power plant which is why its really strange

[shy mulch]

and now none of them are?

[viscid bobcat]

yes

none of them are since the coal power plants began

[shy mulch]

ok, and what's the height difference from the exit of the water extractor to the entrance of the coal gen

[viscid bobcat]

when I counted it was 9 meters

2 4m foundations + the 1m foundation that the coal power plant is sitting on

maybe 10

[shy mulch]

cutting it close to the 10m headlift matter

[viscid bobcat]

but then again the water extractor is slightly off the ground, so 9

[shy mulch]

getting anywhere near the limit would lead me to instincively add a pump just to be safe

pipes have height too

[scenic mirage]

is the diluted packaged fuel actually good? is there a non packaged version of it i can make?

[reef basin]

both are equal in terms of oil to fuel ratio

[green fiber]

Non packaged version is in Tier 7

[viscid bobcat]

am I hallucinating?

[scenic mirage]

oo ok i see, finishing up phase 3 now so itll be a later issue lol

[viscid bobcat]

why are the power plants producing smoke but theres no activity

im going to sleep

[green fiber]

They just do that sometimes

Yeah better to just sleep tbh
Tired minds cant build good factories

[south lion]

That's exactly why I'm gonna do the opposite and play at night

[shy mulch]

this extensive conversation could have been saved by just adding a pump, takes 5 seconds :/

[south lion]

😼

[silk ocean]

Drunken minds can apparently build nuclear power plants 😈

[scenic mirage]

i did the same thing yesterday haha dw

[scenic mirage]

i think this is how chernobyl happened

[peak wasp]

Why isnt compacted coal just a constructer and like 10 coal put together it woupd make sense

[south lion]

Drunk satisfactory would go hard

[silk ocean]

It would be interesting xD

[shy mulch]

This is also what caused me to build my megafactory on the world grid and build a massive train station below it, then only when connecting them after 2 days of building that I noticed the train station was out by 5 degrees

[south lion]

Maybe it's the way to go. Maybe while drunk u can accidentally make the best factory ever

[silk ocean]

It's probably conceivable yea

A moment of drunken inspiration results in the most epic of factories

[green fiber]

Because sulfur for some damn reason

[south lion]

Cuz yk sulfur is like uh. Sulfur

[willow night]

Does anyone know when they are going to fix the vertical splitters/mergers not lining up?

[mortal ginkgo]

why can foundations float?

[peak wasp]

Alien planet alien gravity

[shy mulch]

Got any examples? I use them a lot and haven't noticed any issues

[mortal ginkgo]

Madness!

[peak wasp]

Alieness

[mortal ginkgo]

vertical splitters are 0.5mm off the grid if you put them on a vertical belt that starts from a conveyor hole

[willow night]

Not connecting to floor lift holes, alignment off by 0.5m. They work fine if you get your whole lift perfect the first time, but if you delete a part of it nothing connects properly again. It's all off by a little bit

[shy mulch]

Oh, I must have got lucky 🙂

[peak wasp]

#screenshots y tf is this peice of shit not working

[shy mulch]

the train engine is at the back?

[peak wasp]

no, the train is the front

i put 1 thing of coal in it bc that usually helps it but its not working

do i put unload or load? i tried both

[dense violet]

Platforms go behind the station

Curved part is the front

[true mulch]

the locomotive has to be under the station and docked

[peak wasp]

oh ok so i put it infront of the station?

i need to put it in the back?

[boreal musk]

theres an arrow to tell which direction when you build the station

[peak wasp]

ik

thats y i put the thingy facing the right direction

they never said it couldnt be on the front

also ive never done trains before

[shy mulch]

build the station then put the platforms behind the station, then the train engine docks at the station and the cars behind it will line up with the platforms

[peak wasp]

oh ok thx u

[slow kindle]

Is there any way to check how many alts you have/what alts you got?

[shy mulch]

load your save file into satisfactory calculator interactive map (SCIM) it will tell you

[peak wasp]

ive never been more the like teir 3, i completed teir 6, and now im working on phase 3

[silk ocean]

The torch needs to diffuse wider, it's like cave-exploration through a toilet roll tube

[slow kindle]

Oh alr ty

[peak wasp]

wait so my next question, ill NEVER be able to collect my coal???

[shy mulch]

not sure what you mean

[peak wasp]

bc my train has 3 carts, if i need to dock at the station, ill never be able to load my coal

[shy mulch]

if your station has 3 platforms behind it then it will be able to load 3 cars

[scenic mirage]

they should make a conveyor that can just turn 90 degrees 😭 too cramped

[slender quest]

"Straight" buildmode.

[south lion]

They can turn 90 degrees

[scenic mirage]

just getting invalid conveyor shape

[south lion]

Maybe connections too close to each other?

[true mulch]

@peak wasp watch this part https://youtu.be/mtVwiCQ5sZI?t=66

[scenic mirage]

ye exactly, smth that would work in that space

[cedar garden]

Hey I just returned to the game after several months and noticed a big performance drop in 1.1. Any easy fixes for that?

[south lion]

U can try different modes and sometimes one of them works

[slender quest]

Reduce render distance, maybe.

[south lion]

Dlss if ur GPU supports it

[cedar garden]

Let me have a look, thanks

[slender quest]

Check this out:
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Debug_console#List_of_commands
r.ViewDistanceScale - any number less than 1 (default).

0.1 makes enemies invisible at distance though.
Once you're happy with result, find Engine.ini and add the line with your desired setting in there, like:
r.ViewDistanceScale = 0.3

[scenic mirage]

just did it a diff route, not as pretty but whatevs lol

[peak wasp]

so thats what the empty ones r for

thx u maybe my train will actually work

[true mulch]

you have 4 freight cars but only want to unload the last one

so you build a station, 3 empty and then a freight platform

[cedar garden]

Oh is this actually in the games folder not in game settings

[slender quest]

It's in console until the game restarts, and in game folder if you want it to persist between game restarts.

[cedar garden]

Great, much appreciated

[unkempt blade]

If anyone just doesn't like how empty platforms look (like me) you could also use 4 freight platforms and just set the first 3 to load but not feed them any items

[lost wagon]

Or you could just decorate with something else

[unkempt blade]

yeah like a factory cart skate park built to conceal the ugly empty platforms

[lost wagon]

And you make a vehicle path looping on it

[scenic mirage]

does the conveyor throughput monitor get more accurate the longer you let it count

[south lion]

Probably

[boreal musk]

not really

[peak wasp]

thank u guys very much for fixing my train, it works now!

[boreal musk]

they didnt work as accurate when it comes to burst outputs

you can just see the graph by getting near it and press E

[peak wasp]

imma send my train on atest auto pilot mode to see if i can go sleep

[silk ocean]

Some of these trains can really stop on a dime in auto mode

I saw a near collision xD

[boreal musk]

not if you set them right, they will go forever without stop

[peak wasp]

LMAO thats amazing

[silk ocean]

It was at a merge, it broke through the signal and backed up

[peak wasp]

i use 1 train

[south lion]

What happens when 2 trains collide

[true mulch]

with signals you get deadlocks instead of collisions, but there are bugs which may cause trains to slip through

[south lion]

Do they boom

[true mulch]

YES

but unlike in factorio, you don't lose anything

[south lion]

I never played factorio

[true mulch]

this has a very low chance to occur, but if you want to avoid it, use path signals for any merges

[silk ocean]

They are set right, I just witnessed it at a merge

[silk ocean]

Yea, I generally only block merges, but that might help

[vale grotto]

I remember seeing a calculation some time ago that was how much power is possible to produce with nuclear power, assuming 100% use of all uranium on the map, but I can't seem to find it now
Does anyone here know what I'm looking for?

[true mulch]

note that path singnals need a long block before them or they'll cause unnecessary slowdowns

was "some time ago" before or after 1.0?

[finite grove]

where can i report server members?

[true mulch]

#open-a-ticket

[finite grove]

theres one i needa do for impersonation

[vale grotto]

Before, I think

[true mulch]

The most Plutonium Fuel Rods that can be made per minute is 30.54 alongside 22.91 Uranium Fuel Rods. However, this does not yield the most power. Producing 22.4 Plutonium Fuel Rods alongside 50.4 Uranium Fuel Rods does, sustaining a total of 476 Nuclear Power Plants producing exactly 1,190,000 MW (or 1.19 TW) of power.
from an old revision of the plutonium rod wiki page

note that 1.0 changed these numbers a lot with SAM transmutations and I don't know what the maximum is now

it also changed the alt fuel rod recipes, so even this setup may not be possible anymore

[peak wasp]

should i finish my important stuff and let my game run?

[green fiber]

Letting it run is lame tbh

Waste of power

[peak wasp]

nuh uh

it keeps making supplies bc i cant make more then 1 rn for phase 3

[boreal musk]

not to mention, with converter, you can convert copper into bauxite into more uranium for nuclear

[boreal musk]

which shouldnt happen, as long as there signals on the network, it will never allow collision, only deadlocks

you should check if you build the rail correctly

[peak wasp]

Bruh no spoilers

im not that far but thank u

okie well imma let my game run to fill up my Beams and steel pipes

[boreal musk]

you will forgot about it once you reach that phase anyway

[silk ocean]

It just overshot and backed up, signals are fine, for some reason it just goofed one time xD

[hard ivy]

the current max from nuclear seems to be 7 587 923 MW (without Augmenters tho)
and the 1.19 TW build is still possible without sloops or SAM

[silk ocean]

Add 20 more nuclear reactors they said, it will be easy they said... tell that to my spider infused corpse in the Red Forest xD

[unkempt blade]

and I'm going to use every single bit of it to power more trains!

[hard ivy]

max continuous power from all power sources is 19.11 TW BTW

[tawny night]

Ever considered doing a run like that?

[hard ivy]

no thank you
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=aqfpv0pItLOlzeKvV6Yl
(6800 fuel gens and 2k coal gens too)

[tawny night]

Isn't there a full nuclear option too?

[hard ivy]

huh, nuclear max with augmenters is 16.6 TW

you have to store nearly 1k plut waste/min tho

[grave mantle]

how do ppl make cities?

[silk ocean]

Foundations, Walls, Mixed Commercial/Residential blocks, Humans, Water/Electricity/Internet/Services, ya know xD

[unkempt blade]

that's ok I'll just fill all my trains with the waste

I can store like 16000 waste per freight car so we'll be fine

[cedar portal]

One very long train that goes around the whole island

[bronze moat]

call it the Explorer

look inside

doesnt explore

why does it not fill in the map

[near frost]

just wondring is something like a 15 belt balencer a thing?

[cedar portal]

I have two looped Quanttum Encodders pushing theeir limits, but seem to be running fine. They are producing 590 dark matter residue/min, just under the 600/min pipe limit. It makes 50m3 and the full buffer empties when the machine hits 98% complete every cycle... it makes me nervous lol

But it lets me make the suupposition oscillators and dark matter crrystals for 40 warp drives/min without using any SAM so I'm happy

[dense turtle]

@hard ivy did that ragebaiter get banned or sum

[hard ivy]

15 what? 1:15? 15:15?

[near frost]

15 randome belts to 15 equal belts

[hard ivy]

15:15 then

Sure, you could make one

I probably did at some point

[shy mulch]

40 bwd/min still blows my mind. I'm pushing the limits of my infrastructure to make 12.5 (25 with sloops)

[shy mulch]

easy to do if you aren't restricted by belt limits, what's the mk of belt you're using and what's the maximum total throughput you want to maintain?

[near frost]

mk 5 and 780 items

[cedar portal]

I've used a lot of sloops. Lets see.. 90 of them just for the finally assembly factory

[shy mulch]

the higher the throughput you want to maintain, the more complicate it is
for example, if you're happy with 1 belt being the max throughput then just manifold it, 3x belt limit is relatively easy, more than that gets messy

[reef basin]

just hook each belt to what it can feed 😛

[silk ocean]

30 sloops are in use for Augmenters, the other 76 are in Notepad++ where the hell they are

[shy mulch]

my power plant is using 44 sloops, so that leaves my BWD production a bit more limited, maybe I should make more power in a more traditional way and use more sloops in production

[silk ocean]

or 105 if one was needed for the MAM, I forget

[cedar portal]

That's what I had to do to free up a bunch. I had 24 of them doubling my plutonium rod prodduction, but doubling that by making twice as many machines wasn't too bad.

[silk ocean]

Need a frickin Excel sheet to keep track of Sloops xD

[shy mulch]

makes a lot of sense 🙂
I have 4 alien power augmenters plus 4 sloops in one of the quantum encoders making APMs

to be fair, I could just delete all that and still have enough power, so it's not strictly necessary

I'll think more about it when my BWD production plant is actually finished and ready to boot up

[silk ocean]

Wanna move that Sloop, gotta complete form SLOOP_W279 - authorisation to move sloop, let me just update the excel chart so it isn't lost forever xD

[shy mulch]

my excel sheet is chaos
final_megafactory(3)-final-new

[cedar portal]

Similar for me. I have 2 augmentors being fed power matrixes, so thats a 60% boost. The final assembler has 4 sloops to double the production, but no sloops anywhere else.

250GW power via nuclear

[sterile blade]

My excel sheet is pristine and perfect and stored in my brain...
Also, only the last sentence is true

[cedar portal]

Boosted with a little extra here and there gets me 400gw, juust over my max consumption

[silk ocean]

Soon to become new_final_megafactory(4)-final-newer xD

[shy mulch]

I have 360GW of rocket fuel power, plus whatever power 21 nuclear power stations give, plus 120% boost from 4 APM-fed APAs, and most of the geothermal thingys. Total comes to a gnats hair less than 1.1 TW

I'm only using like 300 GW though, so I could easily lose 1 or 2 APAs

[cedar portal]

My factory is a disaster. I finished phase 4 back before alien power augmentors were in the game, or sloops, or infinite power shards even. I have vast areas of huge towers of 100% machines that mostly sit idle because 90 sloops att the endd of production removed the need for half of the entire upstream factory complex. I could throw shards into them all now and probably remove 75% of the buildings in the wholemap

[shy mulch]

The evolution is part of the fun 🙂

Part of my fun today is when I realised how many dark matter crystals I need

I set up a factory producing 460 per minute assuming that would be enough, then realised it's about half what I actually need

[sage viper]

how many Radio Control Units / min i should make to be safe at the future like 10 will be enought ?

[shy mulch]

I like to do what I call "fuzzy planning". I do have a plan, but I just kinda vibe it and put vague ideas together with rough calculations, and only do it precisely when it's nearly ready to plug in. It's exciting when I find one of my calculations was an order of magnitude wrong and I have to either build another factory to make up the difference or I've build something that's completely redundant

[cedar portal]

Thats why I seet up my wwarp drive factory the way I did. I need 800/min just for the warp drives, and another 144/min for the supposition oscillators. So 944/min total, but by looping the quantum encoders and the particle accelerator and putting the EXACT ratio in, I am making enough resudue to supply all the crystals. I make 2/min extra crysstals and 7/min extra superposition oscs.

[shy mulch]

Oh shingus, good point, I haven't taken the residue output into account at all. I'm sure I'm still running short, but that will take a nice chunk out of the requirement

[cedar portal]

The margin is SUPER small. You have to boost the encoders to 236% to get enough residue, wwhich equates to 590/min, and at 600/min you jam the pipes so the math luckily gives you a very tiny margin where it works

[shy mulch]

Almost feels like devs did that on purpose, there's a lot of things that seem to just work out nice like that

[cedar portal]

Yeah, hard to tell... I plotted out the graph of input and output and max pipe load and saw that one intersection right in the very very very tiny box it needed to be. Happy

[sterile blade]

JuSt UsE sFtOoLs!

[shy mulch]

I do, for small systems, but it gives you way too complicated diagrams if you try to do everything all in 1

[true mulch]

that's why you split it into multiple tabs

[true mulch]

I didn't recognize it's you 😭 why that pfp

[sterile blade]

And here I thought I found a fellow brain-designer xD

[reef basin]

that's why compact mode is the best 😛

no pfps = no worries

[shy mulch]

I'm not gonna get into that debate. I do use it, when appropriate. I have huge amounts of tabs on it, and I do use it correctly. But for the "big picture" I pull it all together in a spreadsheet where I can have finer control to tweak things quickly

[sterile blade]

Judging a book from its cover?
Some info here: #off-topic-general message

[true mulch]

ohh, it's that based Louis youtuber

forgot the channel name

[sterile blade]

Linus?

[hard ivy]

Louis lmao

[true mulch]

Louis* sorry

[sterile blade]

Yeah, it originates there, I think

[void cliff]

Packaged diluted fuel, such a fun factory to make 🙂

[sterile blade]

I wouldn't have agreed, if we still didn't have blueprints

[unkempt blade]

that's one that the layout plays really nice with blueprints too

[azure linden]

Guys i finished the nut lol #off-topic-media message

[unkempt blade]

@sterile blade do we share a brain?

[sterile blade]

We might have entangled the our only aviable braincell

[unkempt blade]

I just let LLMs do all my "thinking" now. That's what the software engineering industry wants for me

[sterile blade]

I think you can post that in #fan-art too, if you'd like ^^

[left totem]

you do what ?

it's funnier doing it all at once

[true mulch]

this was in response to "it gives you way too complicated diagrams if you try to do everything all in 1"

[left totem]

so I can't answer and give my opinion on that in a kidding way ?

cool

[true mulch]

what?

you're free to use it any way suits you

[ebon vale]

heya guys, anyone experienced with data mining rule of the community? not sure if this is the correct place to ask it but I am lost.

[shy mulch]

what's your question?

[unkempt blade]

I need the flow chart to help me figure out how many factory carts I need to move resources between steps to use it any way I want 🙁

[ebon vale]

basically I analyzed source code of pipe networks and want to share my findings (not source code, just explanations). but I am not sure whether it is allowed on here or Reddit.

[true mulch]

that's not unreleased content so it's fine

and this might interest @green fiber

[shy mulch]

I'm nosey now, if you do post your findings somewhere I'll keep an eye out. I don't really see the difference in where you post it, if it goes here or reddit or whatever, it's either public or it's not

[scenic mirage]

do power lines auto connect with blueprints?

[boreal musk]

no

[ebon vale]

I want it to be on reddit for accessibility but their rule regarding data mining is so vague: Posts or comments about game modification revealing information not known to the general player [...] through non-traditional means (save editing, memory editing, data mining etc) will be removed.

[shy mulch]

host it yourself then, and post links here and on reddit, if mods don't like it they can remove the links

[ebon vale]

do you know a place where I can host it?

[shy mulch]

github? google drive? or any one of a million free hosting services

[unkempt blade]

I do a lot of one-off things on Github. Would be easy to do the write up in markdown and you can include images, etc.

[cedar portal]

Post it here, as otherr ssaid if it gets removed you can put it elsewhere

[ebon vale]

makes sense, thanks.

[ivory condor]

Reddit is weird. I remember once posting something on the satisfactory subreddit, that was removed by the mods for no logical reason, so not a great look for how the mods run that subreddit

But reddit seems to be dystopia for any type of discussion, so perhaps the satisfactory subreddit following the pattern is basically for the course

[true mulch]

this is about unreleased content

if this applied to everything we'd have to take the wiki down

[green fiber]

If you simply read through header files and stuff it is usually fine.

For more in depth stuff though perhaps the modding discord would be better?

Or yeah, if not then just make a drive doc file or something.

I'd actually be surprised if you found stuff i havent known about yet xd

[naive pendant]

If you zoom out really big picture, there's also the question of what benefit discussing said info would be. It's likely the devs already know said info. What changes if the player base gets additional info?

[green fiber]

Im also open to just have an extensive convo about it in DM just to check.

Before publishing anything

[naive pendant]

Kinda like the idea that the players don't even need that level of detail to be able to identify desired changes. "I want 600 fluid/minute pipes to give 600 fluid/minute robustly" doesn't need more info. Just directly is apparent from testing, gameplay. Feel free to do whatever though; all good.

"figure it out devs" thing.

[green fiber]

Hmm actually, this might be the perfect time for pipe discord

[naive pendant]

Doesn't that already exist #math-and-meta (/jokes)

[green fiber]

No theres an actual Pipes Discord

[dense violet]

for pipes in general or satisfactory pipes?

[shy mulch]

Wow, I didn't think it was that deep a topic hah

[green fiber]

And it wastn even me who made it

specifically satisfactory pipes

[shy mulch]

There are some funky pipe behaviours, but they are fairly easily mitigated if you just stick to certain principles

[naive pendant]

Well discords are low barrier to spin up. Not suprising having random small ones.

[green fiber]

Yeah but like if you want you can take a deep dive into just about anything

[shy mulch]

Question, can you ride your Galleon through a pipe? Does it need to be full? Or does it need to be half full so you have a surface to sail on?

[kind obsidian]

Actually the silliest thing about pipes at least in the game is the lack of a simple excess drain pipe. It get frustrating so many times to get placements and flow just right for excess water . At least there is a mod for this 🙂

[dense violet]

that's part of the problem solving...

[green fiber]

Thats literally why we dont have a drain pipe

So aluminum is a pain in the ass by design

[dense violet]

or trivial really

[naive pendant]

Yup. Game dev problem solving stuff. Gotta have friction to feel satisfaction.

[green fiber]

50/50 coin flip depending on your aptitude with pipes

[shy mulch]

or you can solve the problem with existing game mechanics like many others have done

[dense violet]

once you know about it it's very easy

[shy mulch]

bit like circles 😛

[dense violet]

depends on the kind of circles

[naive pendant]

I mean Factorio doesn't have a trash can for example. Devs go pretty hard on not allowing "degenerate/creative" solutions.

[shy mulch]

round ones

[dense violet]

how you're using them in particular

[kind obsidian]

Yes you can but sometimes its just a pita been here since beginning done it both ways its all good 🙂

[ionic forge]

Reinforced plates aren't that hard to automate, though Im using the direct iron to bolts recipe

Found a few slugs

Might overclock some machines

[white dawn]

Is that the Satisfactory equivalent of "feeling cute, might delete later"?

[green fiber]

Feeling productive, might somersloop

[kind obsidian]

Taking a trip in the Way Back Machine that faithful day of the year 2020 when Update 3 Intro Trailer dropped was the biggest shock for me ! I felt like Luke Skywalker after his hand was severed and he shouted out "That's Not True?! That"s Impossible!" and soon after that McGalleon became the almighty Pipe Lord! hahah I was withdrawn for weeks before I could play again.

[green fiber]

I remember some user named michael had a website where they had published a pipe guide and i published my first infographic on there

[shy mulch]

I'm clearly very old. When someone says 2020, I still think that's in the future. When you talk about the waybackmachine I think about the late 90s

[kind obsidian]

Way Back Machine is ref to Mr.Peabody his time machine from the days of the Rocky and Bullwinkle shows. 🙂

[reef basin]

should be fine for both reddit and here. Worst case your post gets deleted I guess

[reef basin]

how dare you share info about the game!

[reef basin]

Factorio doesn't really need one

in SF it's built into gameplay loop

[boreal musk]

which led to a very similar endgame base across the board

[true mulch]

the difference is that factorio works with finite resource amounts, whereas everything in satisfactory depends on throughput

and there is the recycler lol

[topaz shale]

Both games allow for some very interesting builds. Both have their strengths in their respective areas.

[verbal yoke]

hey, is there a tool to design load balancers? Due to vehicles & lack of space, I now need to try to load split 7.5min⁻¹ to 4.95min⁻¹ and 2.55min⁻¹, which are obviously extremely awkward numbers

[rigid mist]

turbolifts would be cool
like elevators that can go in any direction

[steady glade]

like a... hypertube?

[quiet gust]

No like an elevator in a tube

[sterile blade]

One is just a 2D copy of the other

[topaz shale]

And both firmly have a grip on me

[reef basin]

usually you can just use single splitter and machines will only use the amount they need

[sterile blade]

Looking up "satisfactory balancer calculator" should reveal some

[white dawn]

If you're running low on space, balancers will not be your solution. :) A manifold (or in this case just using a single splitter) is the most compact way to distribute things

[verbal yoke]

but there's vehicles involved, the 4.95min⁻¹ is intended to go to a different factory via truck and the 2.55min⁻¹ is intended to go to storage via a drone, thus I need to load balance

[limber crag]

Manifolds are not load balancing.

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Prime_splitter_arrays

[sterile blade]

Vehicles can have items back up just like machines. It just takes longer as there are more inventory slots involved

[verbal yoke]

it was moreso space as in, I'd need to set up a new manufacturer if I wanted to produce 4.95 and 2.55 separately

[dense violet]

flood the system at each factory, it'll act as a manifold

and if you have 1 truck doing this between multiple factories , load balancers aren't going to solve this

[reef basin]

no they aren't. But I'm giving a suggestion to solve OP's problem 🤷

[dense violet]

build the 2nd one above the first

unless youre in a cave up is always an option

[sterile blade]

That would likely still take up less space than a load-balancer for such an awkward number

[reef basin]

well, that doesn't change anything. Prioritise the 4.95 with smart splitter and it will overflow to the 2.55 to storage

[steady glade]

im guessing both sections are starved intentionally

[quiet gust]

You don't need to load balance most of the time. Early on and especially with weird number like that it's better to just manifold

[steady glade]

otherwise he wouldnt need such akward numbers

[verbal yoke]

I'm just concerned about the prospect of 2 truck stations and a truck getting saturated at like 0.05 items min⁻¹, with a stack size of 50, that's 1000 minutes per slot and trucks and truck stations have a lot of slots

[white dawn]

Honestly if you really want to have that exact split, the other thing I was planning on mentioning was, yeah, just producing exactly what you need for each side. Which would mean more machines, and sort of just pushes the manifold/balancing a bit further up the production line, but it's usually the cleanest way (and would still take a lot less room than an equivalent balancer)

[dense violet]

that's why you make 2 machines making those two amounts

it'll take up less space

[white dawn]

Having a dedicated set of machines per "export" is nearly always the easiest way forward with stuff like that, if you don't want to have to wait for manifold behavior to back things up

[forest grotto]

anyone know a good spot for steel production? i need more encased industrial beams.

[limber crag]

I’m usually running manifolds or overflows. But load balancing is a valid way to explore/learn/enjoy. We’re all valid here.

[reef basin]

near iron and coal 😄

[white dawn]

Anywhere there's coal + iron. It's a big map!

[dense violet]

not really in this situation

[white dawn]

If you don't want to try and find spots to build in-game, you can sneak a peek at the whole game map with SCIM, if you want (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map)

[ashen trail]

north west in the desert isn't bad

maybe not desert... not sure what the zone is called, but it is NW of the entire map

[willow glen]

That’s Rocky desert, one of the other starting zones.

[quiet gust]

To an extent but at some point it's not worth it. Your numbers look impossible to work with in the space you describe having

[limber crag]

I saw the load balance request before i saw the numbers ☠️ oops

[quiet gust]

Oh wait ur not doing the numbers it was like 7.45 to 2.45

[willow glen]

ya anything that’s got multiple decimal places that isn’t .333 or .667 is not gonna get load balanced for me. But to each their own

[void cliff]

I pretty much always set up manufacturing of basic materials to a bin the first thing I do. Usually don’t like to use those materials to build more complex parts, just make another factory that creates more basic parts as an intermediate step to complex parts. Nothing worse than running out of motors when building 100 refineries to start an oil powered plant.

[quiet gust]

I did it once b/c otherwise I wouldn't have any crystal ocilators in my depot

It was 2.25 to .25 1 and 1

[willow glen]

when I run into those situations I use smart splitters, there’s almost always a way to make any/overflow work it out (once one line backs up)

[daring reef]

so i fixed the fuel gens that wont work by deleting them and overclocking some of mine to fill in the gap

that totally just worked

[quiet gust]

I did but it doesn't have enough time to fill up the overflow

As in I don't have enough time

[shy mulch]

One thing that took me a while to accept, is that everything in this game has a simple way to do it. If you're trying to solve a problem in a complicated way, that's your decision, and is fine if that's how you want to do it. But when someone is confused by something, the answer is usually "do it an easier way"

[willow glen]

Prefill! For example I needed pressure cubes to balance a line I just started up. At 2/min and 3 stacks needed, that’s too long. I stole some from nuclear pasta

[quiet gust]

Its droned away, I don't have an isc of ocilators to prefill

[limber crag]

This is how i started to feel about blueprints and yet i find myself…

[shy mulch]

I avoided blueprints for so long, then I finally started using them and it was like someone invented fire right in front of me, what is this witchcraft I've been missing out on

Exactly the same story with trains

[void cliff]

I’ve looked at load balancing stuff specifically to use sushi belts. For example, circuit boards use 4 plastic and 2 copper sheets, so I need a merger with two plastic inputs and one copper sheet input to make the sushi belt work properly.

Sushi belts just look cool.

[signal marten]

how much plutonium waste do i get if i consume 0.5 plutonium fuel rods per minute?

[scenic mirage]

do yall fw fine concrete or wet concrete more

[dense violet]

!wikisearch plutonium_rod

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=plutonium_rod

[slender quest]

Wiki says 5/min.

[willow glen]

rubber concrete, actually

[scenic mirage]

if i did fine concrete id have to run in quartz from a cave

[reef basin]

depends on situation, do I have water or quartz nearby?

[scenic mirage]

dont have it yet

[willow glen]

then whatever’s nearby, I think water would be easier but it does depend

[scenic mirage]

ye waters like 200m away

[slender quest]

I like wet concrete, water is often closer thank quartz or oil.

[dense violet]

wet concrete is more generalist, as you're more likely near water

[shy mulch]

If the numbers work out, then go for it. In some cases it can actually be necessary to do it that way to get around belt limits

[daring reef]

and now they dont wokr

work

[signal marten]

so with 0.5 pluonium fuel rods i only get 5 ficsonium per minute??? something isn't adding up

[steady glade]

generally wet concrete but if i already have or plan to have rubber there ill use that, and after that silica

[shy mulch]

If you want to do that in a situation where it's actually necessary and not just because it looks cool, try Turbo Diamonds alt on a fully power sharded particle accellerator. It has 2 inputs and needs 1500 coal and 100 turbofuel. But max belt is 1200 so you need to put 1200 coal in 1 input and 300 coal and 100 turbofuel on the other input 😄

[reef basin]

yeah as I said, all the recipe usage depends on my current situation, there is no generic "always use this recipe" situation

[void cliff]

That’s interesting, thanks. I’ve seen other overclocked / slooped situations like that but never considered using a sushi belt to make it run properly. Good tip.

[willow glen]

I kinda want to do a run where I sushi as many assemblers as possible. I don’t like the raised splitter aesthetic, and doing the 2nd splitter under the floor makes it impossible to blueprint without including the foundation

[slender quest]

You can test it in creative game if you want. Also somersloops can increase the amount.

[white dawn]

Less, actually: Yeah: 0.5 PFR -> 5 Pu Waste -> 5 Ficsonium -> 2.5 FFR (edit: Oh, I suppose you probably meant Ficsonium itself, not FFR. So yeah, in that case you are correct. :)

[willow glen]

ratio I worked with was 5 ficsonium rods per plutonium rod (I hope that’s right)

[sterile blade]

If you're confident in the inputs' stability, you can cut down on splitters too 😉

[sterile blade]

Discover the joys of Sushi-load-balancing
Jokes aside, what do you mean by "as many as possible"? Can't you just sushi however many you wish?

[void cliff]

I think what they mean is that sushi belts are a lot more work

[sterile blade]

Not if you planned for them ^^

[willow glen]

most likely, I haven’t thought through every situation yet, but there might be some where sinking at the end is required due large ingredient differentials (screws maybe?)

[sterile blade]

Sink is always required so long as there's any overflow
I don't think I'm understanding what your concern is

[willow glen]

given it’s a problem I’ve barely put any thought into, I’m not sure what my concern is either lol

[white dawn]

Yeah, you'd want a sink at the end for safety anyway, though if you're sending exactly the right amount of material the sink should spend all its time idle once the system's warmed up, w/ sushi feeding

[willow glen]

just that my current method of manifolding it all and letting it back up is incompatible

[sterile blade]

BTW, one can avoid some sinks relatively easily by "just" merging overflow with the factory output and managing it all later on (so you're not forced to have a sink right next to a production line and can have multiple productions share overflow management)

[sterile blade]

The mantra is: the sushi must always flow

||There are exceptions, but that's a niche in the niche||

[void cliff]

Alternate to sinks you can use smart splitters at the end, recycle using priority mergers to reduce production

[sterile blade]

Oh, right, I tend to forget about that. Not a fan, personally :P

[willow glen]

ooh I like that, gotta plan around having the return line but there’s a perfectly good ceiling for that

[forest grotto]

is the train faster than conveyors?

[willow glen]

It’s essentially a little less than 2 conveyers per car. And rails themselves can carry a lot more than a stack of belts can

[frail sleet]

depends on the conveyor rank

[sterile blade]

I don't think I've ever seen some math for the max throughput of one rail

[forest grotto]

im at conveyor 4

its also about 3000 meters from my base

[frail sleet]

probably a bit faster then

[frail sleet]

it's relatively simple

[forest grotto]

ok thanks

[sterile blade]

I know. But I haven't seen it and don't feel like doing it myself 😆

[undone kestrel]

Speed doesn't really matter ngl

[frail sleet]

One moment

[undone kestrel]

the main benefit to trains is that you setup the track once and can add (almost) as many as you need with little extra effort

[sterile blade]

~~That's what she said... No, wait... ~~

[frail sleet]

Firstly, it depends on the speed that the average train can get through the slowest section. We have to calculate or approximate that.

57.6 km/h = 16m/s = 1 train cart per second for an easy round number

Say 4/5 are freight cars (1/5 are locomotives). We get a cargo load factor of 0.8x.

a freight car moves 32xStackSize, say 32x100 for this.

(32x100) * 0.8 = 2560/sec = 153,600 per min

A train stopping in a way that blocks others will massively reduce that, and a train accelerating or decellerating while occupying the lane will somewhat reduce it (best avoided where possible).

so i would throw hands up and say somewhere around 100k a min per lane is doable if you dont have a really slow section of track 😛

which is actually a lot more than i expected

The starting and stopping and accelerating REALLY screws with throughput, but you can and should make a fork off of the track into a station to slow down, stop, and accelerate there and then merge onto the "highway". Even just having a minimally-sized off-track station to stop removes most of the penalty.

[daring reef]

FInally

[frail sleet]

@sterile blade

[daring reef]

my oil power plant is working

i dont even know what i changed but all the 60 machines are working

[scenic mirage]

W

how much power in total now?

[daring reef]

now im scared to even touch that thing

[daring reef]

15GW

[scenic mirage]

same i just got 10Gw setup today and i just found a better way to do it and im scared

[daring reef]

i have 2 layers

each layer has 2 sides 15 on each side

[scenic mirage]

hold up lemme run this water rq and ill send a pic of mine

[daring reef]

i decided to connect from not just the front but also from the back

that seemed to fix the machines at the back struggling

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

this is an old pic but pretty much the same

[sterile blade]

How so? What was your expectations?

Also, thanks for indulging my lazy query, I appreciate it 😆

[frail sleet]

I've had, uh, problems with large scale relocation of stuff via trains

but for the most part, the track is not the problem there

you should be able to move a lot with station stops off-track.

[daring reef]

ill send a pic of my oil rig just wait 1 sec

#screenshots message

[frail sleet]

and.. building more rail lanes or paths does not actually cost any ongoing resources, and will actually reduce power cost. So you can always do that.

Might wanna design to move like 50k (assuming average stack size 100) per lane just to be super safe - better to have big gaps between trains that to have a death spiral of trains slowing down trains slowing down trains slowing down trains - but i think it's possible to hit 100k. With more spare capacity though you can be much more yolo about things like not having a decel/accel lane before merging onto the highway, and still keep your throughput easily.

[daring reef]

this took me a while to setup but it works also that fuel gen had to be a little out because of that unfortunate tree

or mushroom thing

i dont really know anymore

i wish u could destroy it

[strong fiber]

yo guys

im waiting for satisfactory console release

[daring reef]

just play on pc

[strong fiber]

I cant

[daring reef]

y not

[strong fiber]

pc=not exist

[daring reef]

yeah that sucks

[strong fiber]

in the meantime

i guess i will have to wait for a few months

[daring reef]

pc is the best thing i ever bought in my life

[strong fiber]

me too broke

[daring reef]

idk abt u tbh but i basically am broke but atleast i have a pc

like i have 1 dollar left broke

but atleast i have a pc

[native bloom]

Name checks out.

[sterile blade]

It might be easier to consider how many trains or cars/min the rail can support rather than the actual throughput. One follows the other after all

[frail sleet]

that's what i did

[sterile blade]

Use it to download more money, duh

[daring reef]

i just noticed valves are a thing

[strong fiber]

How would that even work

[sterile blade]

Just like when you download RAM

[steady glade]

dont

forget em

[daring reef]

but they are so useless

[rigid mist]

planning to put my space elevator at the top of my skyscraper but that means i have to build 1 km of conveyor lifts

[daring reef]

liquid unlike items is not consistent

at all

[strong fiber]

They only thing about the console release is im scared about the amount of models you are gonna be able to have in one world

Hopefully its a decent amout

[sterile blade]

I use valves to regulate the inputs of water in aluminum setups 😈

[daring reef]

evil person over here

[steady glade]

misguided poor soul

[daring reef]

the only thing i hate abt aluminium is that it uses water to produce some water

so i have to do a closed loop

which is a pain in the ass

[sterile blade]

Figuring that out upgrades your logic skills

[daring reef]

i already figured it out i played other games but closed loop here was a pain as it refuses to work

like liquids in this game just dont work

[azure linden]

#screenshots message Done some building

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message @daring reef 16 generators all overclocked to 250%

[native bloom]

Why did your loopback have issues? I didn't have any issues when setting up the water loopback on the aluminum production.

[daring reef]

i didnt overclock because i didnt wanna waste sloops i dont have that many

[sterile blade]

Haven't figured them out yet :P

Jokes aside, they are a bit "hit or miss". Some find them intuitive, others just curse about them

[inland gate]

anyone know how to change what the object scanner is finding with controller. im using satisfactories controller settings not steams.

[scenic mirage]

sloops? idek what that is im using slugs

[daring reef]

i meant slugs

[scenic mirage]

theres literally an unlimited number of slugs in the world go get em

do you have any lizard doggos

[azure linden]

just collect some, then use a slooped constructor to double all

[sterile blade]

You could use Sloops too to help solve the byproduct-water issue

[scenic mirage]

should i have sloops by phase 3

[daring reef]

when u need almost 1000 it doesnt help

[azure linden]

well then

[daring reef]

aluminium produce water solve that

[azure linden]

speedrun to tier 9 and make renewable shards lmao

[sterile blade]

(Standard Recipes)
You need 18 Water to make 12 Solution. Processing 12 Solution makes 6 Water. What could happen if you sloop the machines so that you make more Solution and Water with the same Water input? 😉

[daring reef]

that would mean u dont even need water

its just closed

fully

[versed plinth]

why must converters take SO MANY FLUCTUATORS

[daring reef]

too bad i already figured it out

[sterile blade]

Costly, as it needs Sloops, but quite satisfying

[versed plinth]

AGHHHH

[quick verge]

I am very confused. This seems to say there is a hard drive right here. I found a couple of plates on the ground but nothing else. Am I dumb? Hidden cave maybe? - https://i.imgur.com/c4sNh9t.jpeg

[versed plinth]

oh yeah that ones a pain

[sterile blade]

There is a #screenshots channel

[hollow turret]

whats a good thing to to make tickets from? that i can just produce off the side

[sterile blade]

Whatever you have automated

[scenic mirage]

nuclear pasta shouldnt be too difficult

[versed plinth]

i generally just sink the overflows from my main production. im making about 4 million points / min from my leftover turbo motor / supercomp / FMF / radio etc production

[daring reef]

i love trains and drones

they just work

[scenic mirage]

im scared of trains i havent tried them yet

i still needa rebuild my whole factory and make it actually somewhat modular

[sterile blade]

Alternatively: an output of 6 water is exactly 1/3 of the original input of 18 Water; building 3 Solution-making refineries, one of them could be fully fed by the byproduct water without needing to mix fresh and byproduct water

[hollow turret]

im not past tphase 4 yet 😭

[hollow turret]

???

[versed plinth]

oh my bad

uh probably try overflow smart plating or versatile frames then

basically automate it then have storage fill and then have the leftovers go to a sink

[hollow turret]

ok

[sterile blade]

Whatever phase you are, just stick a smart splitter in front of containers you're filling and send the overflow to a sink. "free" coupons, without having ti build any production specifically for it

[scenic mirage]

yeah bro if youre tier 4 and you dont at least have fused modular frames automated yet youre kinda cooked

[versed plinth]

space elevator parts are generally the best points afaik because points double with each step

[versed plinth]

😂

[hollow turret]

ok

[daring reef]

yeah tickets irc are afk

i have 127k points per minute from overflow

[unkempt blade]

more points! more golden statues!

you need to build a shrine to your factory's greatness right next to the hub or you're playing the game wrong

[daring reef]

i have 3 more upgrades untill i max out cloud storage

1 more storage 2 more speed

i have 4 slots and 60/m for speed

[jade anchor]

Have the devs said anything about more phases or dlc?