satisfactory

[green fiber]

i dont find that very convoluted

[spark sky]

At the moment, I'm early in the game. I just unlocked a lot of stuff that I need to further unlock (stages 5 and 6). Before I do that, I'm rebuilding what I have, as I've been using some automation, but filling input storage by hand from portable miners (auto production at Mk 1 seems to be slower than making stuff by hand at the workbench).

[dense violet]

the alloy recipes are also good

[spare mantle]

mmmm true

i have a whole plant on the water processeing 3 overclocked normal copper nodes

most of that space is taken up by refineries

[dense violet]

if ypou're not careful the game quickly becomes 'refinery simulator 2025'

it gets dull fast

[spare mantle]

lmaooo

[cedar portal]

Refineries are the best for makign ingots but man ddo they take up a ton of space

[spare mantle]

true

my poor power grid tho....

[green fiber]

water's free
but the water was never the real problem

[dense violet]

wehhh copper alloy is amazing and iron is about as valuable as water

[spark sky]

Okay, speaking of fun with Satisfactory, if you haven't seen it, you have got to see what Let's Game it Out builds in Satisfactory.

[atomic notch]

Never heard of him

[spark sky]

And, as one reaction video pointed out, he's been working on the same world since the beta, and it all still works.

[cedar portal]

I use copper+iron for a lot of copper factories but when I need as much as I can get from a location I use the water one, gives a little more than double per ore vss double for the iron recipe

[cedar portal]

Same here, I've got 1200 hours sin my save over 5 years. Very impressive they didn't break anything, not counting recipe changes

And just finished upgrading the end game desert factory from 20 Warp Drives a minute to 40/min. Phew. All the purple machines are looped, used most of my sommerloops for this.
#screenshots message

[dense violet]

i would really jsut prefer to train or drone in more than use the refineries xD

[spark sky]

#streams-and-videos message

That's the video I was talking about, a game dev who worked on Satisfactory (I think that's what he said) watching all of Let's Game it Out's videos on Satisfactory.

[willow dawn]

Why are you belting up like that? is it a style choice?

[spare mantle]

my new copper processing plant makes like

1800 ingots per minute

i think

[cedar portal]

Belting how? The long belt to the ssink? Thats just a style choice, I like seeing them slowly moving along when it's a low number per min

[cedar portal]

Thats a good chunk o copper

[dusk moon]

once i get fuel power should i just dismantle all of my coal power? so i have the coal nodes for things like steel and other recipes?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea

[willow dawn]

I mean the ones that are zigzagging up

[cedar portal]

There is lots of coal so you can leave it or tear it down

[dusk moon]

thought so the jump in power between them makes coal power seem a bit useless

[willow dawn]

I never tear anything down unless I absolutely need the recources for something else

Waste of time IMO considering the nodes are endless

[cedar portal]

Oh, lol! So I built this platform back in 2019-2020 before trains. Also before conveyor lifts! So that was the only way to get items up in a small space. My plans were trucks would bring in items all along the edges... but it got too much work building the platform (this was before zoop!) so I abandoned it until way later wwhen i decided to build my end game ticket sink

[cedar portal]

I'm the same, thus those belts still there even after not being used for years 😄

[willow dawn]

Ahh so it's not fixed yet 🙂

[cedar portal]

It's abandoned, never going to use those truk stops

[willow dawn]

I am so happy we have lifts now, can't imagine building without them

[cedar portal]

It was SO much more work. I built lifts like that all the way up the big cliff to the quarts mine, with the uranium cave at the bottom.

Before trains I had belts going across the map, so had a lot of vertical space to traverse

I built that dang platform by hand. There was no zoop and even worse, this was bfore they let you point at the edge of a platform to build another. You had to actually point at the side, and no hoverpack either. it was a MAJOR pita

[warm pike]

Hi guys. Can I run Satisfactory with Ryzen 5 5600GT without dedicated videocard?

[atomic notch]

I know i could run on integrated back in early access but idk now

[south sinew]

check the minimum requirements

[spice patio]

With 16+ GB of RAM on lowish settings.

[warm pike]

Min reqs never points integrateds...

[warm pike]

Ok ty

[atomic notch]

Download more ram

[silk veldt]

Hallo o/

[unkempt blade]

I have a 12600k (not sure how comparable that is) that I use to host game servers and I've only ever really used the satisfactory game client to troubleshoot stuff but it was not a very good experience

[lean ferry]

after nearly 30 hard drives diluted fuel

bruh my luck is so mid 30 hard drives I got turbo pressure, recycled rubber and diluted fuel and thats it

[dense violet]

? plus all the other recipes

[atomic notch]

What about the other 27

[lean ferry]

i still dont have steel rotors, molded pipe solid steel and wet concrete

[lean ferry]

they are the most random recipes

[hard ivy]

Imma give it a big maybe. That CPU's iGPU is about as fast a GTX 1050

[lean ferry]

ah yes I sure do need silicon high speed connector

[dense violet]

so? recipes are useful. You combo them with others

[lean ferry]

nvm wait im blind theres solid steel yipee

[solemn hazel]

Does anyone know of any public save files with coal power unlocked?

[atomic notch]

Lol

[lean ferry]

wait and theres molded steel pipe, nitro rocket fuel and turbo blend

tbf I do have glasses so

only wet concrete I dont have

steel screws? the one and only?

HOLY THATS

[spice patio]

Basically the listed GPU minimums are more about VRAM (4GB) than the GPU processing power requirements.
The game runs on even 15W Intel laptop IGPs if there is enough RAM available to act as both VRAM and RAM.

[atomic notch]

Steel screws is great

[lean ferry]

they are great

anyways im not gonna redeem any of them to make the pool smaler

[dense violet]

use advanced game settings to unlock it

[elfin trellis]

im at the point again where its all overwhelming and chaotic and i wanna start fresh full wiped

[dense violet]

or a save editor

[atomic notch]

I use it everywhere and since i just got a bunch of aluminum goin i can just do alu beams to screws

[atomic notch]

Youll never beat the game if you keep restarting

I know bc i havent beat it yet🫠

[hard ivy]

Only if you wanna make screws.
And idk why you'd want that

[clever spindle]

so, iw been getting an old bug again. when i scan for say.. iron ore. only nodes im close by show up as a ping.

[dense violet]

it only shows you the closest group

[clever spindle]

nodes i know are there dont ping, when i get close and scan. then it shows up again

[atomic notch]

Last production line i made only needed like 14 screws

[unkempt blade]

that's not nearly enough screws, I'm going to need you to go back and add some more

[clever spindle]

so if i have 3 untouched nodes nearby, it wont show nodes futher out?

[cedar portal]

1.1 made me so happy with FINALLY getting Priority Mergers. I had somee very spirited arguments on the discord here in the past over the need for them. Took 5 years but now I am a happy pioneer.

[atomic notch]

Theyd just be extra

[dense violet]

generally no

at least afaik it's been that way for agess

[unkempt blade]

I could have sworn it showed multiple clumps the ones further away just took longer to ping

[clever spindle]

hum i see. did not feel that way earlyer in my current play.. but i might just have been derping

[dense violet]

if there's groups of nodes a similar distance away from you in different directions it may show you more, but not if you're standing next to a bunch

[clever spindle]

guess it only shows a max of the 3 closest clusters?

[rugged stratus]

my factory needs 15 coal/min what should I do? use a node for 15 coal /min

[clever spindle]

and in the dessert many of the clusters are just one node

[dense violet]

that sounds like it could be right? I never paid that much attention to it

[dense violet]

unless you want to hand mine it

[rugged stratus]

that's sounds like a waste of a node, and I have all coal nodes far from me without trains

[atomic notch]

Its only 15 out the node u can put the rest elsewhere

[unkempt blade]

nothing is stopping you from sending all but 15 to another use when you're ready for it

[rugged stratus]

that's what im doing it rn

[dense violet]

if you're not donig anything with it, how is it a waste? every node you're not using right now is a waste

[atomic notch]

Or just bring a fully saturated coal train in then you wont need to worry about coal for a while

[dense violet]

you can always mine more from it later ?

[rugged stratus]

i don thave trains

[vapid heart]

are alien power augmenters worth the materials? im in phase 5 and havent made one yet, dont need extra power just yet but i will soon, not really sure what they do or how they work

[rugged stratus]

I mean, Isn't it a waste of a node by using it only for 15 coal /min

[atomic notch]

🫠

Sucks

Not if you use like a splitter

[dense violet]

again NO

You're wasting it now not using it
you can mine more from it later and split it off and still use it.

[warm pike]

Tysm

[dense violet]

I'm not sure what you're not getting from this

[atomic notch]

15 one way the rest goes another wat

[dreamy bane]

how do i deal with the by product water in alu production? i re routed it back to the refinery but it keeps getting bottlenecked despite my water extractors extracting less water then needed

[rugged stratus]

unstable miner then, my miner is mining 75 coal /min and im using 15 coal and 60 coal for 2 factory, but it's an unstable miner

[atomic notch]

You can always change the clock speeds to make it stable

[ruby mountain]

its 500 power & 10% boost (30 from MAM research), its really up to you, Im personally not going to use them, because I want to use all the somersloops, but again its up to you

[dense violet]

image for you in #math-and-meta

[spark ruin]

kind of

[atomic notch]

My boost covers all my production

[remote field]

my To-Do List won't display. Even when i click the right side of the screen to show the todo list, it doesnt fix anything cuz
a. nothing is showing on the list
b. it doesnt' stay open. once i open it on the right side of the screen, the only thing i can do is exit the menu. quiting the game and reopening it hasn't fixed it.
anyone know what to do?#screenshots message

when i load a much older save, the todolist still works. it's just my more recent saves that it doesn't work, strangely.

--oh! nevermind.
loading that old save, and then going back to the most recent save has actually fixed it. lmao

[chrome gull]

if i delete my space elevator and then place it do my phase keeps?

[leaden turret]

yes

[atomic notch]

That would be so funny if it didnt

[lean ferry]

I’m gonna speak for a bit to entertain myself from handcrafting 400 ststors for space ele

Assembly director systems are going, ststors is all I need for magnetic

[hasty cradle]

Why handcraft

[atomic notch]

U on like a handcrafting run?

[lean ferry]

I don’t WANA automate project parts it’s boring

[hasty cradle]

Wdym

[lean ferry]

So all I’m doing is handcrafting the amount I need to make my project part

[atomic notch]

Oh and handcrafting isnt?

[hasty cradle]

Handcrafting is boring

[tall plover]

handcrafting parts 💀

[chrome gull]

thats the main thing to do in the game to automate everything

[atomic notch]

Just leach some from ur motor factory

[lean ferry]

I would much rather spend 10 mins hand crafting stators than automating magnetic control rods

[lean ferry]

No point in automating something useless

[chrome gull]

the game is about building a factory not hand crafting parts

[lean ferry]

I’m not automating project parts

[atomic notch]

Ok

Have fun

[lean ferry]

You don’t need them automated I’ve literally automated everything else except for those

[hasty cradle]

Tickets

[lean ferry]

Alr have like 200 sitting and getting a lot

[hasty cradle]

You need em for nuclear fuel later

[lean ferry]

Nono not that the field generator

[atomic notch]

If you got motors u should already have stators automated

[lean ferry]

Not control rods mb

[lean ferry]

That’s the only valid point I should have them automated

Everything else I’ve leached pretty much

Took some steel beams in storage, ai limiters I have them automated and modular frames

[atomic notch]

Im workin on ads rn i think i just got adaptive control units left to automate

[lean ferry]

Like I don’t want to automate smth that u only need couple hundred and then done

[elfin trellis]

i know im 600h into it... something's wrong with my head

[lean ferry]

Literally the only thing I don’t have automated is ststors because you dont use them by themselves

[atomic notch]

Instead of restarting try like rebuilding or building a new factory. So you keep the progress and gear. Starting with nothing sucks every time

[elfin trellis]

yea i guess..i cant get why my brain is like "go from scratch clean state"

[chrome gull]

can i remove the stinky green things that damage me?

[atomic notch]

Yea

[lean ferry]

Do you have nobelisk

[chrome gull]

i think no im on tier 4

[lean ferry]

You can get that it’s in sulfur research tree

It’s a bomb u can throw

[elfin trellis]

the stinky ass shit can be destroyed via nobelisks yea

[lean ferry]

I automated cluster nobelisks just so I can kill them

🙂

[chrome gull]

i have 11 sulfur and i need 50 to reserch

[lean ferry]

Anyways now my project parts are automated yay- nuclear pasta and propulsion rockets

[lean ferry]

Mine some, you are gonna need sulfur for it anyways

Nuclear pasta nooooooo

I don’t even know if I have enough bloody power for it

[chrome gull]

i will get some later

[lean ferry]

I’m making 16k and using 12k

If I decide to sloop a particle accelerator my system gonna crash

[subtle swan]

im trying ot make a hyper tube booster however i cant place the entrance over the support tubes like ive seen in a video. is that patched or am i just doing it worng?

[lean ferry]

can I handcraft 20 turbo motors to make particle accelerators without getting clowned (im automating turbo motors, pasta takes ages so im starting it now to save time)

[fluid sapphire]

you need to connect the support to another support via tube, what the entrance actually connects to is "hypertube" itself

[lean ferry]

bruh r we being serious

0.5 a min, thats 200 min for 100 pasta, 3 hours?

well I might aswell start it now and make the turbo motor factory wait power is a thing dammit.

[subtle swan]

sorry i dont get it

[lean ferry]

idk if I should expand my rocket fuel, or just hope my system doesnt crash and gamble with like 1mw to spare

[fluid sapphire]

1. put down support
2. put down another support
3. connect the two supports with a hypertube
4. place entrance

[willow dawn]

That sounds risky 😛

[lean ferry]

ykw

im gonna get nitro rocket fuel AND turbo blend

and ill do both, cuz I have alot of coal where I am

and (if I dont get clowned for handcrafting again) I can handcraft like 3 turbo motors for mk 3

[fluid sapphire]

handcraft away, who cares

i finished most phase 4 milestones by handcrafting

[lean ferry]

a tier 4 person who clowned me for doing phase 4 by "not automating thermal propulsion rockets and magnetic field generators"

btw what alt recipes are needed to make rotors, motors and stators rlly cheap? it was steel smth but I forgot

[chrome gull]

who

[fluid sapphire]

idk about cheap, i make iron only motors with iron pipe, iron wire and steel rotor

[lean ferry]

actually no idk what tier they were

but it was rosimo or smth

[subtle swan]

can i dm you rlly quick i can show you pictures of my issue

[lean ferry]

iron wire thats what I needed I haev the rest

[fluid sapphire]

but i gave you steps to follow? its that simple

[lean ferry]

oh snap im cooked

molded pipe or nitro rocket

[fluid sapphire]

connect two supports with a hypertube and then place the entrance

[lean ferry]

place 2 hypertube support, connect with hypertube, place entrance on 1 then repeat that

there will be a gap when you repeat that pattern but it will work trust me

@subtle swan check screenshots i will post image

[fluid sapphire]

eventually you probably want both

im more partial to nitro in this case

[lean ferry]

which one rn

[spare mantle]

my body has a copper defiecieny

n om nomn onm

[fluid sapphire]

if you plan on making power with it

[lean ferry]

ok ill do nitro I have iron pipe anyways I can do rest later

[fluid sapphire]

i did

[lean ferry]

im gonna do like 5k power with it?

lemme handcraft some turbo motors rq

bloody hell does this game hate me its been 50 drives so far and no wet concrete

[fathom shuttle]

Nitro rocket fuel

Molded pipe is a waste of concrete tbh

[lean ferry]

I jsut realised

150 rocket fuel can already get me like 8gw

who thinks I should make a really really tall fuel generator tower for rocket fuel cuz why niot

[pseudo vine]

so i built a coal power plant that uses manifold conveyors but even when i let them all fill up somehow only the first 3 have coal

[fathom shuttle]

9GW

[fathom shuttle]

Do you plan to do nuclear later?

[lean ferry]

are they correct speed

[lean ferry]

yea, planning to get as much as I can out of it

[pseudo vine]

what do you mean?

[lean ferry]

oop sorry wasnt clear, like if ur coal miner is making 120/m do you have mk2 belts

[fathom shuttle]

Lol nah you don’t need that max nuclear is like 1.4TW

[lean ferry]

huh how much is that

[pseudo vine]

yes for most of the conveyor i use mk1 but there is some mk2

[lean ferry]

1,400,000 mw? or 140,000

[fathom shuttle]

1400GW

[lean ferry]

thats ALOT of power

[lean ferry]

do u think I should make a tall fuel gen tower

[fathom shuttle]

I’d recommend that you do 144GW of rocketfuel

[lean ferry]

can u post a picture

[lean ferry]

how much oil/sulfur is needed (idc about coal and stuff thats common)

[pseudo vine]

sure one minute let me open satisfactory

[fathom shuttle]

You can turn it into a skyscraper or something like that you want, but the most common way is just to do floors of generators

[pseudo vine]

@lean ferry i think the issue is the conveyors

but i can also send an image

[fathom shuttle]

If you plan to use powershards then it’s 230 fuel generators

[lean ferry]

doesnt hurt to make a few more mk2

[fathom shuttle]

600 oil and like 1.5k sulfur I think

[lean ferry]

nah im just gonna do alot of floors

[lean ferry]

so mk3 miner on pure and mk3 on a normal

thats good

[pseudo vine]

no just gotta make some more reinforced plates also here is the plant

[fathom shuttle]

Yea but you’ll be making 780 from the pure

[lean ferry]

dont need 144gw before mk6 conveyors do I?

(hope I dont

[pseudo vine]

@lean ferry i cant send scrnshots on this text channel

[lean ferry]

send it on screenshots channel

[pseudo vine]

ok

[fathom shuttle]

Nah, it’s plenty until you get to nuclear and phase 5

[naive palm]

I've had this problem before.

• triple check your math
• double check that your conveyors can feed your machines (max needed < max belt throughput)
• If you are absolutely certain your math and belts are right, 'prime' the lines (Leave half your coal gens off and let coal completely back up, then fire up the line)

Satisfactory is a masterwork of math and precision, but occasionally you get weird edge cases when complex I/O is matched 1:1. Priming uses the belts and machine inputs as a buffer to smooth out that inconsistency.

(Often after priming I will flush the miners themselves so they're not constantly turning on and off. You double-checked your math so if everything is matched they should never back up)

[lean ferry]

i forgot how to send like the hashtag thingy

[fathom shuttle]

I had 144GW of fuel generators and It carried me very easily to nuclear

[lean ferry]

btw the whole reason I wana make a tower is cuz most of blue crater is already taken up by the fuel gens and I need space for water extractors

[fathom shuttle]

How much power are you making?

[lean ferry]

only 15k because most of it is turbofuel

[pseudo vine]

i gotta wait 27 seconds to message in scrnshots @lean ferry

[fathom shuttle]

Build the rocket fuel power plant then dismantle the turbofuel one

[lean ferry]

i have like 45k worth but its all being packaged for my drone empire

[lean ferry]

yeah thats what im gonna do

[ashen spruce]

Some Train Engineer Master can help me, right #screenshots

[pseudo vine]

@lean ferry i sent a pic in scrnshots

[lean ferry]

make all the manifold belts mk2, just to be safe

[ashen spruce]

That's not needed,

[pseudo vine]

ok thanks

[fathom shuttle]

144GW RF won’t take you a lot of time, use powershards for the blenders and refineries

[lean ferry]

im gonna build it vertically

[ashen spruce]

make only the middle ones Mk.2

[fathom shuttle]

I’d strongly recommend that you overclock the fuel generators

[lean ferry]

should I just make a floor blueprint? beacuse it would take me AGES to just make floors and pipe it up

[ashen spruce]

(unless that's what you meant)

[ashen spruce]

5x5 is always nice to have

[lean ferry]

yeah

[fathom shuttle]

You can fit 4 fuel generators in mk2 designer

[lean ferry]

im gonna make a floor blueprint, and make multiple small towers

[ashen spruce]

I use a 6x6. But that's Tier 9 Shenanigans.

Anyone, #screenshots please.

[lean ferry]

look im only doing 10gw rn

because I really want to get tier 9 done

how much power does a quantumn encoder use? and a convertor?

[ashen spruce]

Too much

[lean ferry]

im already making like 3k more than consumption, so im gonna be making 13k over

[boreal musk]

path in, block out

[fathom shuttle]

Quantum encoder is 2GW

[ashen spruce]

Just kidding 1-2k

[lean ferry]

converter?

[fathom shuttle]

400MW

[lean ferry]

13k is enough- im going to get tier 9 started, then with mk6 blts I can take full advantage of pure nodes

btw you know how u said 144gw from a pure oil node. what recipe is it?

[ashen spruce]

Doesn't work.

[fluid sapphire]

thats nitro rocket

[fathom shuttle]

Heavy oil residue
Diluted fuel
Nitro rocket fuel

[fluid sapphire]

with HOR and diluted fuel

[lean ferry]

I have those

[fathom shuttle]

You can make it into a 1:1:1 system with overclocking

[boreal musk]

that means its the recent bug for rail tracks, just rebuild the track and replace the path and block signals, it should work

[fathom shuttle]

Easier this way, so you just connect one blender to the other and the HOR to the DF blender

[ashen spruce]

Thank you.

[willow dawn]

Ugh I love my hoverpack so much I don't think I could ever go back to building without it

[fathom shuttle]

Once you get all the achievements you can turn on flying mode

[elfin trellis]

im trying to delete my old bases but the urge of "lets go from scratch" is killing me

why am i like this

[fiery pewter]

Is 20 GW enough for a phase 2 to phase 3 factory?

[boreal musk]

more than enough

[lean ferry]

bro I didnt handcraft enough stators for space elevator

back to slaving

slaving away at the crafting bench

[boreal musk]

stators are pretty much everywhere around crash sites

you can easily get hundreds of them

[willow dawn]

Can't wait!

[lean ferry]

for april fools can we just change all assembler and constructor and manufacturer textures to pioneer at crafting bench

[fiery pewter]

This

[lean ferry]

I just leached a couple hundred off my motor factory

[boreal musk]

for reference, it took me 5GW total in phase 3 and 17GW total in phase 4

[lean ferry]

but then what do we do for refinery and blender

[boreal musk]

you only need more when you start doing converter and particle accelerator

[willow dawn]

I'm at 13GW and finished phase 3

[lean ferry]

pioneer over just a big bowl and mixing the object in the liquid

[fiery pewter]

Yes

[fiery pewter]

Alrighty then

Is it reasonable/viable to then also make a 20GW power storage?

[lean ferry]

I should do this for an update suggestion

[fiery pewter]

Y E S

[lean ferry]

where?/

[boreal musk]

well i never really use power storage so my answer will be biased

[fiery pewter]

Uhuehuwhw

[willow dawn]

I have a few but generally I keep a close eye on my consumption and plan for it before I start building a new factory so I never needed the batteries

[fiery pewter]

Open a ticket

The moderators are also Coffee stain employees and community managers

[boreal musk]

i always ensure my power plant running perfectly fine before start doing another project

[fiery pewter]

Yeah that do be a priority

[willow dawn]

Same

[fiery pewter]

Also, context: I never came past oil power

[boreal musk]

at least 1-2hrs just eyeing my power graph and then move on when i confirm it to be perfectly stable

[fiery pewter]

Was always a big curb for me and my fren

[lean ferry]

I just gamble with power

[fiery pewter]

Lol

[lean ferry]

"I think it should be enough" one of your power grids has blown a fuse

[fiery pewter]

Lmaoooo

[primal flax]

how do i remove a big rock thats in the middle of a coal deposit, its blocking a miner

[boreal musk]

nobelisk

sulfur tree in mam, you need steel unlocked first

[fiery pewter]

Or try and get an Alpha Stinger to land on it

[boreal musk]

you cant throw nobelisk without the detonator 🙃

[fiery pewter]

You can't tell if you will survive luring the Alpha Stinger

[dusky dagger]

Has anyone noticed that while in parachute, using detached camera of photo mode and then switching back to pioneer camera removes the parachute ?

[lone chasm]

can i use Lights Control Panel with Street Light?

I tried but it it didn't work 😦
I don't want to configure every street light individually

[willow dawn]

YAY, just finished my second elevator item for phase 4.... now on to Thermal propulsion rocket... which looks like a LOT of work considering I am not producing any of the items needed to make them... so no shortcuts 😦

I'm afraid this will have to be my first massive factory

[balmy locust]

Can you help me find out why my factory is MORE efficient than expected? I have a of 12 manufactories making high speed connectors and each is running at 100% efficiency. The PROBLEM is.... they should not be, they should be LESS efficient, so I am trying to find out WHY they are all running at 100%. I am afraid I somehow made an error, because if these are MORE efficient than expected... other factories might be less efficient than they SHOULD be? In the bottom left hand corner is the recipe. I am using tier 5 belts, which have a capacity of 780.

75 wire per minute per machine. 780 / 75 = 10.4. So with tier 5 belts, I should only be able to support 10 machines at 100%, and 1 machine at 40%. I have 12 machines, and all 12 are running at 100%. Why/how? Any ideas? My concern is... somehow... and I do not see how... the formula I have been using to calculate how many machines a tier 5 belt can support is wrong... and I don't see how it could be. [Number of Possible Machines on T5 Belt] = 780 / [highest_input_item].

...I cant upload an image here

Nevermind

https://i.imgur.com/5BLiz55.jpeg

Put it on Imgur

Any ideas?

[elfin trellis]

u can go to #screenshots post there and let us know

[stiff ibex]

probably only working at 100% efficiency because belts were primed

[tall lantern]

mm, they've got extra wire in, but that'll drain

[balmy locust]

...I am like 90% sure you are right and I NEVER would have thought of that. I had it turned off for a bit while I was rewiring other stuff. I just kept re-checking the math. Thank you very much!

[stiff ibex]

glad to help, put a sink down while youre building if you wanna monitor exact output

bro

holy balancer

[balmy locust]

That is an easy fix on my end, thank you so much Krieg 🙂 Honestly, a huge help!

[stiff ibex]

fred is there a reason you are load balancing the manufacturers?

[balmy locust]

So it will spin up faster when I am ready to turn it on.

Is there a reason not to? Aren't balancers, well, better in every way, except they take more work to set up heh? I usually use manifolds.

[tall lantern]

for a nice round 12, balancers make sense imo

[stiff ibex]

Take longer, harder to diagnose problems, and take more space

Manifolds work better in almost every scenario but do have a start up time

Though you can eliminate the start up time by priming the machines

[open pollen]

I’ve never used balancers once so far in my game. Manifolds just take a bit to get working properly and are easier imo

[balmy locust]

I laugh in the face of god when it comes to "space". Lol. Warning. May cause blindness, paralysis and loss of smell or taste.

https://i.imgur.com/JV978Ad.jpeg

(This is my setup to get to tier 5.... when i'll finally have max capacity belts... THEN i'll worry about space)

[stiff ibex]

Oh hellllll nah

[visual pulsar]

I’m so excited for this to come to Ps5!!!

[balmy locust]

lol

[open pollen]

This causes me pain

[stiff ibex]

Lol dude thats crazy looking

But I respect it

[balmy locust]

(and I label every smart splitter exactly how much it should be outputting, along with a line counter, so actually it isn't super hard to diagnose when something is not working right!)

(and a sink on every line)

[stiff ibex]

You will eventually find that playstyle to get harder and harder the more late game you are

Balancers are just so cumbersome especially when you have 30+ machines

Im not hating though I respect the banacer grindset lmao

[balmy locust]

After I built what I would call my "first" 2 attempts... I got very frustrated with constantly making a blueprint in a website/tool... then copying it... and I said to myself... "Self, SCREW THAT! There is ANOTHER way to do this!" And this is that way, lol. I just increase outputs of every "lower tier" item to feed higher ones as needed.

[lean ferry]

can someone help me? im making a fuel gen tower, and ive found that it looks plain and blocky when I make it. ive tried experimenting with depth but it looks as if its clipping through

[open pollen]

I would personally get confused with all the lines going everywhere, but good on you for having a good system in place to make sure it works properly

[visual pulsar]

Is there signs in game to write on? Like for example, a sign saying coal by the coal machines?

[atomic notch]

Yes

[open pollen]

Signs are unlockable in the awesome shop

[open pollen]

This might be a #design-and-architecture question with screenshots added along with it

[balmy locust]

Yes! I love signs. I couldn't live without them. Everything gets labeled. I just wish I could write MORE on them...!

[visual pulsar]

Yay! So now I don’t forgot which is which! (adhd goldfish brain here, lol)

[atomic notch]

I put signs on stupid things sayin how stupid it is

Like the big rock in my base

[open pollen]

I believe you need some of the basic quartz research in the MAM to be able to purchase the signs in the awesome shop btw

[open pollen]

Indestructible rocks SUCK

[spark sky]

What happens to the screen shots I take in photo mode? I looked for them in Steam screenshots, didn't find them. I tried pasting in a Discord channel, but it didn't seem to have copied a screen shot.

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message

[plucky plank]

is there a recommended order of items i should produce as im moving through the tiers cos im in tier 7 and 8 but idk what to do first (aluminum is done)

[atomic notch]

I recommend just starting

[open pollen]

When you are in the photo mode in the options for it there is a button you can click to open the folder containing the screenshots

Sorry I can’t give more clear instructions I don’t have my game open currently

[lean ferry]

sorry I forgot that channel exists

[plucky plank]

wow

[atomic notch]

There isnt really an order u kinda just pick a part and make it

[open pollen]

Just look at what you need for unlocking tiers and what you need for the space elevator parts and work from there

[lean ferry]

i ran out of stators AGAIN HOW GREEDY ARE THESE PROJECT PARTS

[atomic notch]

Shouldve automated

[plucky plank]

i hand crafted all the tiers🐌

[open pollen]

Sloop the machines making the project parts if you aren’t already

[open pollen]

Well then focus on space elevator ingredients then

[plucky plank]

whats a good amount of radio control units to make that will last the whole game

[open pollen]

Either go on the gg wiki and see what you will need to make later items and estimate or pick a number and expand later

[lean ferry]

I am i gave it like 700 stators and it still wants more

[atomic notch]

100

[open pollen]

It is all situational based on what recipes you use that may need them or how fast you want to produce other things imo

[plucky plank]

👍

[open pollen]

Like I produce shit super slowly, but that’s because I fiddle a lot and take forever to plan and make things look pretty. So by the time I get another thing done I have loads

[atomic notch]

I prolly got like 3 machines makin rcu’s and theyre all different recipes

[bright helm]

Just unlocked Cybertruck and I thought it will be a good vehicle

but it barely turns right or left....

[fathom shuttle]

10-160

[plucky plank]

it cant even turn left😭

[fathom shuttle]

I got scammed too

[bright helm]

Atleast I got the achievement

but at what cost😭

[fathom shuttle]

Only got a few achievements left

The hardest one is the unlock all MAM research trees

[bright helm]

Btw where is the highest point of the map?

I saw achievement

saying to do that

[fathom shuttle]

North west, it has a uranium node

[lime ermine]

20 tickets

[abstract heron]

how do i change the belt fequency thingy
That says this affects cpu

[lost wagon]

well shit, I either will have to package the fuel to transport to this station or make a new station to put fluid platform

[vague flame]

Is it possible to flip the hypertube branch, so that the branching happens on the right side?

[lone breach]

How to give Mercer's spheres through the console?
tell me, please, I'm too lazy to run around the map and collect them

[lost wagon]

enable Advanced Game Settins and give items to yourself

[boreal musk]

AGS setting, but it will kill the achievements

can also use scim to edit your inventory

[lone breach]

o ty guys it will help me👍

[digital topaz]

New player trying to get a feel for things here!
I've unlocked tier 3/4 and just unlocked coal power.

But am realizing I am definitely needing to ramp up productions to sustain things

Can somebody help me better grasp things?
I don't think megafactory is for me

But I think doing Outpost/Central site(s) may be what I would like most.

Without easy transport the game def feels large and overwhelming right now ^^" [presently working to unlock the vehicle station]

[frozen ingot]

don't think about 'ramping up production'

think about 'building new production'

[unkempt blade]

getting hypertubes set up is totally worth it if you plan to keep the save going

[frozen ingot]

and your instinct is good, megafactories meh, outposts yay

and i think it's meant to feel overwhelming at that stage, but the game always provides you tools to manage it - try a vehicle route for coal to make steel, maybe

or to make steel in an outpost and bring steel parts back by tractor to somewhere else that needs them

[digital topaz]

I think I wanna build outposts to build Low tier items That I then funnel to a central site

Just gotta figure out where that Site should be.

I think what I want most right now is some tips for map exploration ^^"
I know theres the interactive maps but they dont give me the same feel for things and I'm doing my best on my own before I start turning to other tools.

[unkempt blade]

This is easier the more a player understands but I'll say it anyway - if you know you want a big project try to figure out how you break it up into smaller projects. Trying to do a huge thing all at once makes it extra overwhelming

[frozen ingot]

i know 😄

it's all about breaking it up into manageable chunks. Much like life

[cedar portal]

So true. And then the sspiders eat you.

[digital topaz]

I think once i can get vehicles goin I will be more confident with things since exploration will be a lil easier.

Im trying to think ahead to minimize spaghetti later x3

but i also know my first run wont be perfect

[frozen ingot]

yeah, just enjoy the ride 😄

try the new things you unlock. It'll all come together 😄

[unkempt blade]

the other thing that helps me a lot with longrunning saves is when I finish a chunk of factory I put up signs that tell me what resources are going in and what's coming out of the chunk

signs unlock from the ticket store for any true beginners out there 😄

[trim vigil]

Where can I report a bug? Does anyone know?

[bright helm]

Is there anything I can do with nitrogen if I am at tier 5 and 6?

[atomic notch]

No u need the pressurizer

[ashen spruce]

Yes, watch it.

[lean ferry]

I could listen to fuel gens asmr turning on and off for hours straight

btw im making my fuel gen towers, nitro rocket fuel alr done I should get 10kmw out of it

I can always expand later

rocket fuel is a gas right? or do I have to pump it through all of the floors

[open pollen]

It’s a gas

[frail sleet]

It's the opposite, on a small scale Y splitters are faster and easier to diagnose.

Manifold is a compromise to save time on very large or compact setups, but it's very easy to split into 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9 and even 12.

For 50 machines it's not, so manifold compromises can be worth it.

If you want everything to be in 1/4 of a foundation without clipping, it won't fit either, so manifolds just work in that space also.

But otherwise it's a lot faster and better to just Y split when going to/from a smallish number of machines, especially with fluid setups that involve junctions.

[lean ferry]

yay so I dont need headlift

[summer egret]

ive been troubleshooting or so long for my SIMPLE steel factory. turns out i needed to use iron ingots instead of ore...

[kind rose]

Oof

[lean ferry]

oh btw thanks for your dm: i realized because im not using enough platsic, refineries are backing up so is fuel, meaning hor is backing up, so rubber cant be made so when u actually need plastic system crashes. I solved it by sinking overflow

[stiff ibex]

They're not faster or easier to diagnose. The added bulk of the balancers take so much room and combing through multiple floors of conveyor is just lame. How on earth can you say theyre faster? You have to literally plan for a balancer as it takes so much room

in 99% of situations a manifold is far superior

[atomic notch]

Balancers are just fun for logic guys

[open pollen]

I agree with Krieg, manifolds are so much easier and don’t really cause any problems (and are not difficult to mess up tbh)

[stiff ibex]

i dont see the appeal, theyre not difficult - they just take forever

[noble topaz]

how do i deal with the big ass spiders when i dont got a gun yet?

[frail sleet]

The space that they take is small, and only significant for extremely tight setups. No such thing as multiple floor drama or really specific planning for even splitters to those numbers of machines (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12)

You can't even really start diagnosing manifold issues (or fixes to manifolds) without priming the manifold, which requires priming the one before it etc. You can easily end up with a setup where you have to make a change and then wait 30-600 mins for it to propagate and stabilise before you can figure out if you fixed the issue or not.

[atomic notch]

Or just do ur math right

[stiff ibex]

"the space that they take is small" did you see the balancer we were talking about?

[open pollen]

Run/fly

[noble topaz]

i cant

[frail sleet]

That particular pic, no. I am just talking about the fundamentals. It's not my fault if somebody builds one "wrong" in a way that takes more space, i'm only concerned with what you can do (and can do easily) in the game.

[noble topaz]

my stuff is stuck over there

[stiff ibex]

ill agree you cant diagnose the manifold until its primed, but its such a rare scenario that it takes more than a minute or two to prime

[open pollen]

Btw do you mean the normal spiders or the bigger/more difficult ones?

[noble topaz]

the big spider
elite spider i think is the name

[frail sleet]

It's really not, almost every manifold i've ever built has prime times in the 5 minutes to 5 hour range. And at one factory i have a pipeline which would be 10 manifolds deep, so that's multiplied 10 fold.

[stiff ibex]

balancers are just by nature bigger

[frail sleet]

They actually take fewer parts and less room for 2, 3, 4 or 6 machines.

[stiff ibex]

Then you're just lying

[open pollen]

If the area is up high then you could lead it to jump off the ledge so you have time to grab your stuff. Other than that I have no idea 😆

[frail sleet]

For 8, 9, 12 they take a similar number of splitters to a manifold, they take a bit longer to place, but they completely delete the warm up / prime time and make diagnostics easier so i still consider it well worth doing. They also delete fluid sloshing which is the scourge of fluid manifolds.

[stiff ibex]

almost every single manifold is primed by the time the rest of the belt is set up

[grizzled lotus]

keep in mind that as you go along outposts feel more and more necessary, so you will definitely expand.

[stiff ibex]

ive used a balancer system twice, only for extremely long prime times

[frail sleet]

You can't prime something that you just built without having to wait longer

[stiff ibex]

yes you can, have resources flowing in while you build

makes it easy to diagnose on the spot

[naive pendant]

Balancers work great especially with 11 machines, oh wait

[frail sleet]

You build the machines, then the belts, then the resources flow in.

At which point you either have a splitter and all of the machines turn on, or you have a manifold and the manifold ramp begins.

[stiff ibex]

Balancers by nature have to split off of multiple other conveyors, its just not possible to make a balancer more compact than a manifold

[willow glen]

I’ve primed slow manifolds with depot before, it helped me diagnose a few issues. Probably only good late game when 3 stacks takes 30+ mins tho

[noble topaz]

it was near a cliff, until i tried killing it with fall damage, and it failed, now its on the ground, near where the crate is

[stiff ibex]

maybe thats why your priming takes 5 hours lol

[tall plover]

Quick Question about Pipelines, If i build a tower at the Source and drop down i dont need to use Pumps along the way again, right?

[willow glen]

nah it keeps its lift, so you can travel vertically back up to that point without issue, and go horizontally as far as you like

[tall plover]

great

[frail sleet]

Me and every other guy on here who asks for help with manifolds.

[stiff ibex]

?

[frail sleet]

This is not a debate that you're engaging in with good faith, it's 100% bad faith and personal attacks so i won't continue it and will be forwarding to mods

[grizzled lotus]

@willow glen

[stiff ibex]

personal attacks?

[open pollen]

Where were the personal attacks?

[atomic notch]

Its so easy idk why yall gotta argue about the easiest way. You can build as conplex as u want its still so easy what yall struggle with lol

[grizzled lotus]

I had a question. thoughts on making one network that connects everything, so that any train can go to any station?

[willow glen]

definitely do it, just make sure to use 2 one-way tracks and don’t try to jam 2 directions onto the same track, except at stations

[open pollen]

Best way to go about trains tbh. Just make sure it is a two rail setup

[versed plinth]

BOYS

[grizzled lotus]

yeah. I'll start connecting a couple of stations with two lanes

[versed plinth]

I have finally entered phase 4 after 86 hours.

[atomic notch]

Didnt you ask this earlier?

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/snBoQC9.png

2, 3 or 4 machines - no building count, space or build time loss vs manifold.

[grizzled lotus]

and for train stations I'll kind of b uild one train station with 3 freight platform (just in case) and have them accessed by a sort of "exit"

[grizzled lotus]

I did. I wanted lumi's thoughts also

[open pollen]

Welcome to now having more complex things to make , just take it one step at a time or you may be overwhelmed 😆

[versed plinth]

indeed

[ashen spruce]

Congrats.

[versed plinth]

not exactly sure what to do first

maybe aluminum stuff?

[willow glen]

yeah that works well, I’m using 5 freight platforms a station this run, I’ve done 3 before, works well just sometimes needs a double station

[open pollen]

I always focus on what u need for tiers and then work my way to space elevator

[willow glen]

I rush mk5 belts

[ashen spruce]

So here is the conclusion:

• Don't even try
• Complicated Thing
• You wouldn't understand
• Don't bother

[versed plinth]

so aluminum

[open pollen]

Probabaly, aluminum is used for mk.5 belts

[versed plinth]

😭

[grizzled lotus]

more generally speaking; is it normal to ahve multiple factories that build the sam thing? For example I already have a supercomputer factory just in case, but I'm in the process of building two more for more complex parts

[frail sleet]

6a / 6b - fewer machines than manifold, not significantly longer to build, half a foundation sticks out.

https://imgur.com/a/tgtnbzH

[naive pendant]

Phase 4 is, uh, a lot. Take your time planning.

[versed plinth]

how do i hide resource nodes on the map

[sturdy pivot]

i'm still in p3 at 70 hours, trying to automate all space elevator parts instead of doing 3-4 containers in front of a manufacturer. definitely try to get the sloppy aluminum and pure aluminum ingot recipes ASAP

[versed plinth]

like from the radar tower

[stiff ibex]

manifold would be smaller there

[versed plinth]

so i can find aluminum

[grizzled lotus]

agreed. I just got there. spent a lot of time automating previous stuff before comfortably moving forward

[sturdy pivot]

dismantle the tower

[versed plinth]

i have fully automated computers + HMFs, so I should be alright for now

[grizzled lotus]

what's hmf?

[atomic notch]

Theres no aluminum nodes u gotta process bauxite

[open pollen]

Heavy modular frame

[versed plinth]

i meant bauxite

[ashen spruce]

I love automating ||Power Shards||! .D

[grizzled lotus]

ah

[stiff ibex]

Balancing 6 machines is a small amount. Using a manifold there would take maybe 30 seconds to prime depending on what youre making

[grizzled lotus]

true, but there's also circuit boards, ai limiters, and something I've been holding off on which was high speed connectors

[stiff ibex]

im not saying balancers are always bad, but using them primarily or saying they are smaller/easier to diagnose isn't right

[grizzled lotus]

I also had to build another MF factory because I connected my first one into an HMF factory

[versed plinth]

what are circuit boards used for?

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/Cpus99t.png 9 way, easy to blueprint center structure

[stiff ibex]

I wasn't trying to be crass aeryn maybe i came off wrong

[grizzled lotus]

I know it's for computers, but I think other stuff too

[versed plinth]

as far as I can tell there's nothing which would need them as far as buildings

[grizzled lotus]

also, high speed connectors and adaptive control units

[open pollen]

I procrastinated on ai limiters and high speed connectors too 😆

It sucked to set up so late but was worth it

[ashen spruce]

Guys, so to get the number you want out of 2 numbers you do: x+x=y; y-x=x and there you have it.

Facts and quick maths.

[stiff ibex]

truth nuke

[atomic notch]

Basic math 🤯

[ashen spruce]

[atomic notch]

Too hard man i need a calculator

[green fiber]

1 + 1 = 10

[zenith kestrel]

Theres no way to get the last ficsmas back right?

[ashen spruce]

Statistics:

• Health: 5/5
• Damage: 1
• Reason: Calculator for calculating.
• Conclusion: 5/5 -> 4/5

It's your turn.

[prime jasper]

From what I understood, a single truck station can only load or unload ?

It is a bit counterintuitive, because the station has five ports, there is 2 input and 2 an output port but they can never be used at the same time?

I think it is how it work but I am not sure so I am asking for confirmation.

[frail sleet]

compact 12way splitter
https://i.imgur.com/Q5LTgRN.png

i would usually just give it another foundation of room though, that makes it buildable in seconds like a manifold instead of needing a few minutes or a premade blueprint.

[atomic notch]

Lol wat

[stiff ibex]

This involves multiple floors of belts again, along with being non-standard. You have to make these custom which takes a long time.

[naive pendant]

@prime jasper You are correct. Either load or unload.

[stiff ibex]

-n-n-n-n-n-n

12 way manifold just looks like that and sets up in very little time

[atomic notch]

I dont matter where you put ur splitters as long as it works

[naive pendant]

The big reason balancers are meh is you can’t use them easily for any arbitrary number of machine. Listing the exceptions to that rule isn’t compelling as an argument.

I do use balancers for trains. But pretty niche for me within production.

[frail sleet]

I would say the only real reason to not use them is for very large numbers of machines, as manifolds scale linearly while chaining y splitters scales quadratically.

At small scale, y splitters are simpler and just better than manifolds with no downside.

At medium scale, you can go either way, but there are some situations where you'd want to avoid manifolding (such as a system which starts and stops, or involves radioactive parts). In those cases, warmup can be detrimental and buffers being unneccesarily packed with radioactive items can be detrimental as they make e.g. a nuclear chain produce like 50x more radiation than if you didn't have full buffers.

It's also a notable issue with fluids, because the fluid junction hates manifolds and creates a lot of unavoidable sloshing which effectively derates your pipes. You can mitigate that fairly easily though by e.g. splitting a 600/600 pipe into two 300/600's before manifolding those.

At large scales, especially without either of those factors (64 machines smelting copper for example) for the most part it's better to just manifold stuff because it DOES take significantly more time/space to split stuff.

[atomic notch]

Make all ur stuff 1-1 then only need balancing at the front and back

[stiff ibex]

the only time ive used a balancer system was to balance uranium fuel rods for a ton of plants and for my power matrix factory

[atomic notch]

Bro just reinvented the cube sqaure law

[naive pendant]

Even caring at all about time to equilibrate, fill your belts and machines is questionable. Like you can optimize for it. But eh. It’s like saying you should optimize production lines around resource cost for the machines. It’s a choice, but eh.

[stiff ibex]

Saying "with no downside" is not right. For some reason you won't acknowledge the obvious flaws with them that make them a pain to use in factories, even small designs like the 9 and 12 one you showed involves multiple floors of conveyors with lifts

[cedar portal]

I've got some truly huge factoriees and manifolds. I don't think I load balance anything. Maybe aluminium counts due to the recycling of water and needing the inputs all perfectly balanced.

[stiff ibex]

the time spent making these balancer systems is longer than the time you would save from the priming

[frail sleet]

Manifold warm time is often between 1 and 10 hours, and with multiple stages (one manifold feeding another which feeds another which feeds another) these are cumulative, not simultaneous. So it's a big problem for large factories and power plants.

If you put 600 rocket fuel into a generator manifold for example the warmup time is ~ 10 hours.

[naive pendant]

Conceptually if you really care about equilibrating time then caring about holistic time ala speedrunning is arguably more important.

[cedar portal]

Which means as always, if you ENJOY making load balancerss then go for it. if not, manifolds work perfectly well.

[stiff ibex]

truth nuke

[stiff ibex]

1-10 hour warm time is only in rare cases. For basic factory needs most manifolds only take a minute or two to prime.

[frail sleet]

Even the most basic manifolds usually take longer than 2 minutes to prime.

[stiff ibex]

The most basic manifolds with around 5 machines can take like 20 seconds

[atomic notch]

I think yall are building on different scales.

[reef basin]

it's usually a few minutes at least, but the thing is that most of the time they will run at ~80% very quickly

[cedar portal]

Priming manifolds is super easy with the 1.0 release. Throw some sommerloops in there and it speeds things up a lot. Or, just turn off the machines until the buffers fill. I liek to build a factory from the base materials up. By the time i finish the 2nd factory the first has fully saturated.

[stiff ibex]

yeah i build the same way

anyway i gotta go sorry aeryn if i came off as rude it wasnt meant

[frail sleet]

For example if you put 4 machines taking 15 ore per minute, inputting 60, it takes 20 minutes to warm up to 100% production.

If you arrange 3 splitters as Y's then it instantly works at 100% with the same building count, belt count, and time.

This is immediately relevant at p1 of the game, Y splitters are simply better in that case.

[versed plinth]

#screenshots message anndddddd done

[atomic notch]

Keep repeating yourself but slightly change it every time

We get it cube square law

[frail sleet]

I'm giving a concrete example that nobody can disagree with, and which is as simple as possible.

[cedar portal]

But you can make those machines run at 100% right away just by throwing a stack of ore in each before turning them on.

[frail sleet]

You can, but you have to go and mine 400 ore first or wait 8 minutes for the miner to do it while no parts are made, then you have to modify the setup. If you build 3 splitters with a Y config then it just instantly works and you can run away.

[reef basin]

or have them buffered up from building the manifold

[fathom shuttle]

You can pretty easily avoid this with overclocking, and kind of splitting your manifold so that one belt feeds 2 manifolds instead of one
So if you had a row of 20 machines, you split the input belt into 2 and feed the first 10 with one and the second 10 with the other

[cedar portal]

If you place your miner first it will fill up a container by teh time you build your machines it will feed.

[frail sleet]

Splitting a manifold in that way does not reduce warmup time

[frail sleet]

It really doesn't take that long to build 4 constructors. Certainly not 8 minutes. It takes me about 2 seconds.

[fathom shuttle]

Or manually feeding the machines which takes a couple of minutes, or turning of the first few machines

[reef basin]

and foundations and belts and stuff..

[frail sleet]

For this example, manually feeding means letting the miner run for 8 minutes while no parts are made, then modifying the setup so that the ore goes to the machines after.

Turning on/off, yes, you can do but again it takes at least 8 minutes.

Nobody can argue in good faith that waiting 8 minutes to get the ore to prime your 4-machine-manifold to automate your first part is preferable to building the 3 splitters in a slightly different place. It's the same splitter count and literally even takes less room.

[fathom shuttle]

For my plutonium fuel rods assemblers I turned off the first 4 machines

[reef basin]

no, but you can justify building the manifold and having it run at 75-80% of efficiency practically immediately

[frail sleet]

66.67% efficiency for 6m40s, then 87.5% efficiency for another 13m20s.

[cedar portal]

For big builds, the manifolds fill up way before I'm ready for them. Take a look at t his example, by the time I built each refinery floor the previous one was running at 100%. Even if I didn't turn it on before I started building my accelerator tower, it would be fully saturated. I never had to wait 1 second for anything to fill up.
#screenshots message

[frail sleet]

can be the case in some circumstances but you can't always do it, and e.g. with radiation it doesn't build as high a quality of end factory

it becomes more of an issue when you build more quickly as well, which is mainly a matter of practice / goals / how comfortable you are with aiming and speed etc.

[cedar portal]

I've found it pretty rare that I am being held back because a factory I built isn't producing at 100% in 10 seconds. As I ssaid, load balancing can be fun if you enjoy it but it's not better or worse than manifolds, theey both work fine.

[smoky forge]

das my screenshot?

[cedar portal]

Yes, off by one... fixing... 🙂
#screenshots message

[smoky forge]

lmao

[frail sleet]

there are concrete mathematical advantages and drawbacks both ways, it's just most favorable for Y splitters at low machine counts

[cedar portal]

My expert opinion tells me with low machine counts it's easy to grab a bunch of ore from the 1st machine and put it in the last and pretty much be running neeat 100% right away. But your millage may vary

[frail sleet]

In the example that i gave, which is common in gameplay, that does take at least 8 minutes. It's really a pretty sizeable pain in the ass compared to just putting one of the splitters a different way around.

[naive pendant]

Once you have coal power it’s manifold all the way, easily

[cedar portal]

It's all a tradeeoff. You can spend your time making load balancers or spend time waiting for a manifold to fill up. Just a choice how you allocate your time.

[frail sleet]

But in the example that i gave, it takes less time to build the Y splitter.

so why wouldn't you?

[cedar portal]

Because it takes longer to build and more resources and more space. For me, a manifold is quicker, cheaper, smaller. I can manually move some stacks around if I need it running right away and can't wait a few minutes for some reason.

[brisk stream]

how to unlock advanced splitters?

[tidal epoch]

progress

[frail sleet]

It literally does not take more resources or more space though. These are quantifiable and trivially measurable statistics.

You have an iron miner putting out 60/min. Four constructors consuming 15/min. You can connect them into a Y splitter with 3 splitters, or you can connect them into a manifold with 3 splitters. On what grounds would one take longer to build, more resources and more space? The manifold actually technically probably requires a little bit more belt, and sticks out more at the side.

[brisk stream]

but like which branch

[smoky forge]

catherium

[brisk stream]

thanks

[smoky forge]

its such a gamechanger

u gotta get into it asap

[tidal epoch]

what

[smoky forge]

catherium

[tidal epoch]

how

[smoky forge]

._.

[cedar portal]

Certainly does take more space to load balance 4 machines than to just run a straight line in one side.

[smoky forge]

imagine you get to endgame without ever using catherium at all

think about it very hard

[tidal epoch]

i did

[smoky forge]

and?

[tidal epoch]

bruh

[ruby mountain]

#screenshots message
@cobalt lodge can you afford a tractor? (any vehicle)

[reef basin]

I mean why not

[smoky forge]

greeny please no

[cobalt lodge]

Why?

[tidal epoch]

there is unstuck command i think

[cobalt lodge]

oh

[ruby mountain]

you can clip back out (if you dont want to respawn)

[cobalt lodge]

nah, got out

[tidal epoch]

or load the game

[cedar portal]

For anyone curious how high the tower of particle accelerators goes... 😄
#screenshots message

[cobalt lodge]

Look #screenshots

[tidal epoch]

how tractor helps?

[cobalt lodge]

No, stackable conveyor belt

[lost wagon]

not making a push pull railroad was a dumb idea but now I am too far in to remake everything

[lean ferry]

are there any slanted windows ingame guys

[ruby mountain]

oh ladders clip through floors, nice

[naive pendant]

@lean ferry Regular window… plus beams to block part

[lean ferry]

how do I slant my beams

[cobalt lodge]

Yeah, idk there was a blue power slug down there, so...

[lean ferry]

nvm build mode diagonal thanks guys

[ruby mountain]

Probably were supposed to use nobelisks

[cobalt lodge]

you can't destroy those kind of rocks with nobelisks...

[lean ferry]

huh

[cobalt lodge]

yeah

[peak wasp]

thoughts on my new pipeline?

[lean ferry]

I think u replied to wrong person

[lean ferry]

wdym beams to block part

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

I think it's a decent pipeline

[cobalt lodge]

my mistake xD

[ruby mountain]

conveyor go wiggle wiggle

[peak wasp]

yep I am making just a massive import network to get materials up into my sky base

[versed plinth]

I think for my first aluminum I probably want the simplest system possible right

[subtle swan]

will those hyperloop canons ever be patched?

[reef basin]

I hope so but it seems they are staying for the time being

[subtle swan]

you dont like them?

[reef basin]

they are very much imbalanced

[subtle swan]

can't disagree with you on that one xD

[real canyon]

the lvl 2 pump pumps fluids 50m upwards right so basically 12,5 fountains?

[sullen gull]

Try to stay just under the MAX lift

[lean ferry]

... how much power... does a slooped particle accelerator take up

[sullen gull]

40~45m sepration is a good target

[bright helm]

#screenshots message Why do these modular engines stop?

I wanted to load them to the Space elevator

[sullen gull]

Is the space elevator is full?

[bright helm]

#screenshots message Nevermind. Look at this sneaky frame

[green fiber]

||4|| times the usual amount

[sullen gull]

That'll do it

[lean ferry]

vro when can I get iron wire

[brisk stream]

difference between smart and programmable splitter

[lean ferry]

for smart, u can do 1 per output for programmable u can do as many as u like

[brisk stream]

okay

thanks

[sullen gull]

Programmable allows for allowing multiple specific items through

[lean ferry]

like I can do rubber, plastic, iron, copper on right output, and like coal caterium through center

[brisk stream]

ah ok

cool, ty!

[lean ferry]

bro 30 hard drives no iron wire

what did I do to you game 😭

[dense dagger]

For the trucks I can set one output of splitter as overflow and send it back into station right? I am trying to have 2 materials in one but if 1 stops it just clogs up

[lean ferry]

btw guys is 8 turbo motors/enough? or 6

[lean ferry]

just smart split the output, one is resource 1 the other is resource 2. then split those individually into overflow and the one ur gonna use- sink the overflow

guys 8 turbo motors/m enough? or 6

[tall plover]

wait am i stupid or are turbo motors just bad for sinking in comparison to Biochemical Sculptor?

[lean ferry]

ion know im only tier 8

btw should I get steel screws

or just get alts that dont use screws

[reef basin]

your choice

[lean ferry]

btw how many turbo motors I get? I can do 8 but then ill only have 2 rcu/m leftover

[tall plover]

if im automating HMF anyways i might aswell just built bigger for biochemical

and after that its pretty free to get

[lean ferry]

atp im just gonna automate 6

I dont think I need them for alot of things

NOOO

WHY U GOTTTA DO THIS TO ME GAME (pure alu ingot which I was looking for a while, and 6 inventory slots)

flip this im taking invetory slot

FINNNALLLYY IRON WIRE

[hybrid sierra]

Yk abt the forest in the rocky desert that has a river running through it?

Yea before I had coal i cut the whole thing down for biomass nuggies

[bright helm]

#screenshots message Why cant this liqid get to packager?

What did I do wrong?

Pump is placed in good direction

[atomic notch]

U got the right recipe?

[bright helm]

yes

Heavy oil residue goes to packager but it is very slow

Its only flowing to the packager if ending part of the pipe is filled with certain amount of liquid

[tall plover]

jesus, using the correct alt recipes resource usage really goes down alot

[atomic notch]

Yeah

Theres some good combos

[tall plover]

24000 Iron Ore and 9000 Coal -> 100 HMF to 1650 Iron Ore, 300 Caterium Ore 1250 Water, 4800 Concrete and 2850 Coal -> 100 HMF

[opaque turret]

hi

[cosmic laurel]

do any of the online calculators allow me to say i have 60 iron/s 45 copper/sec maximize that usage? satisfactory-calculator doesnt seem to have an automatic way to do that

[atomic notch]

🧠

#dedicated-servers

[reef basin]

Tools can do that, but you still need to select what item you want to make

[cosmic laurel]

where? im on satisfactor-calculator and have steel pipe as output with 6/s of coal and iron as input

[reef basin]

Tools, not satisfactory calculator

[humble osprey]

I'm losing motivation. I'm at the floating cube item (I forgot what it was called)

It's a cube that's floating and there's a question mark shaped wire to it's side

I'm at that stage and it's getting tedious

[atomic notch]

No clue what ur talkin abt dawg

[white dawn]

Superposition Oscillators, presumably

[white dawn]

Nothing wrong with taking a break, of course! Burnout can be real, even for stuff you enjoy

[humble osprey]

Yes

[white dawn]

If you're still enjoying being in the gameworld but it's the factory components getting you down, could always spend some time exploring and such; it helps that there's literally no time pressure in the game

[humble osprey]

I enjoy building massive factories but it seems in the endgame you only need a small amount of items so it's more practical to drone products from preexisting factories to assemble into more complex parts

[white dawn]

Or playing other games, or getting outside and playing no games for a bit, etc. :)

[humble osprey]

Which is, just tedious

[white dawn]

Could resolve to just continue making massive factories from ore->product anyway, and eschew droning things in, of course. :)

I tend to enjoy setting up logistics (including drone logistics), but enjoyment of the various parts of the game are obvs pretty down to personal preference

[pseudo vine]

@lean ferry i asked you earlier about the power plant now i have all mk.2 conveyors but somehow the last 5 are not getting coal i dont know what to do because only 3 are actually getting coal and i dont know where its going do you know how to fix this?

or if anyone knows how to fix this please tell me

[silver skiff]

ok i ended up just overclocking my existing coal power plant instead of expanding it

[white dawn]

1. Manifolds can take awhile to fill up. It might be that you just need to wait more. Take a look at the first coal gen that's not full up yet. Is its internal buffer still slowly growing? If so, the manifold hasn't fully warmed up yet.
2. Something really common at your stage of the game is having an errant bit of mk1 belt somewhere, when you thought everything was mk2. It will definitely pay to doublecheck everything.
3. Even with mk2 belts, make sure that your miners are supplying enough coal for all the gens you have hooked up. Each generator consumes 15/min coal

[opaque scroll]

is anyone having issues with enemies not spawning/disappearing in the stable and experimental versions?

[pseudo vine]

thanks i will try everything but i think i might have an mk 1 somewhere but i dont really know

[pseudo vine]

also what do you mean internal buffer?

[white dawn]

I have no datapoint to share, but wanted to mention that at best, the Experimental branch is identical to Stable, and at worst could even be a bit behind. Make sure to just stick to Stable

[white dawn]

When you open up the coal gen, there's an area for a single stack of fuel; that's the internal buffer

[last tartan]

#screenshots message do you guys have any idea how to harvest liquid resources from these deposits

[white dawn]

The ones that are full will be staying right near 100 in there

[opaque scroll]

Ok will do

[bronze atlas]

liquid nodes have a later game extractor

[white dawn]

That's for a later-game machine called a Resource Well Pressurizer. You'll get it in Phase 4

[last tartan]

aw

[white dawn]

(also, questions which need screenshots tend to be much more convenient to ask in #1038092680493801533 than trying to split it beween two channels)

[pseudo vine]

i found a few mk 1 belts so thanks for that tip, i think that was the problem but i will see soon

[white dawn]

Cheers, hopefully that does it! And yeah, that's a super common problem. You're not alone! :)

[last tartan]

we need more Satisfactory marine life

[tidal epoch]

how

[last tartan]

i dunno how to do it 😭 i just know we need more of it

and swimming mechanics should be reworked a little bit

[atomic notch]

🐟

I wonder if theres a fish mod

Not yet😔

[silver skiff]

satisfishtory

[atomic notch]

Get like an ocean map and ur only resource is fish

Seablock but in satisfactory

[grizzled lotus]

how much does the somersloop power machine give? is it proportional?

[ivory condor]

Is that bug back again?

[stray loom]

The augmenter? 500MW and +10% base. +30% if you feed it alien power matrices

[atomic notch]

10% per machine

[grizzled lotus]

I see

[opaque scroll]

Looks like it

[grizzled lotus]

I thought it would be more significant to be honest

[stiff ibex]

It's extremely significant post endgame

[grizzled lotus]

it gives 10% to whatever I'm already producing?

I think I should connect it to my main grid

[stiff ibex]

Increases power by 10%

They stack additively if you have multiple

But once you have them all setup and being fed matrices it's like an extra 300-400% power

[karmic knot]

should i delete my bio fuel platform now i got coal power

[atomic notch]

If u want

[karmic knot]

i see no reason to keep it cuz im not gonna upkeep it and its jus power i think i have but i actually dont so yea

[atomic notch]

Ok

[elfin trellis]

sure

[naive palm]

You can keep it connected to your network until you have battery power. The biogens throttle to demand so if your power need is less than your coal power production they just idle.

I like to keep them around for nostalgia too. "Look how far we've come, ficsit checkmark who talks to me when ADA isn't listening."

[karmic knot]

its already gone lol it is what it is

[naive palm]

Probably fine, especially if you're not like me and don't run your factories one pixel under your power production.

[karmic knot]

yea no i got a bunch of extra

[naive palm]

ADA would frown if she knew I just like to watch the batteries bob up and down.

[atomic notch]

Ok

[last tartan]

oh my GOSH

i put 18 turbomotors in a sink and it made me 29 TICKETS

i am in utmost shock right now

[silver skiff]

why did i never check if i had iron wire

[ivory condor]

I wonder how dead and void of life my world is now

[silver skiff]

i have been searching for it this whole time and never once considered seeing if i already had it

[smoky forge]

HUH???

and thats consistent?

[last tartan]

well those were the only turbomotors i had so uhh

[stray loom]

No. Items are worth a fixed value and the cost of a ticket goes up the more tickets you get

[last tartan]

i dunno lol

[stray loom]

Early game those items will get you a huge influx of tickets

[naive palm]

I had the same thing happen yesterday. Spent like 3 hours hunting HDDs to unlock synthetic fiber.

Synthetic fiber (cloth from oil) is not unlocked via HDD anymore. It's an unlock in the MAM.
-# On the plus side I did unlock all recipes and find some spare HDDs for later

[last tartan]

#screenshots message

[smoky forge]

ik ik but are they realy that good or did he just need that little ammount of points

that was my question

[last tartan]

@smoky forge

\

i think that would answer your question

[smoky forge]

thats only the motors?

[last tartan]

yes only turbomotors

[smoky forge]

dam

[last tartan]

i found a bunch scavenging

[smoky forge]

ima make a ticket farm

[stray loom]

A turbomotor is worth ~240k points and a ticket doesn't hit that cost until you've made like 100 of them

[smoky forge]

ah

so very point eficient

[last tartan]

the factory cart is the dumbest little thing ive ever seen

i love it

[smoky forge]

i agree

[last tartan]

its fun but not worth 10 tickets

[stray loom]

You can use it to run truck routes and it has a weewoo light. What do you mean it's not worth 10 tickets?!

[last tartan]

woah woah woah..

did you just say it was a weewoo light?!?!

sign my petition to raise the value to 2500 tickets

[stray loom]

Get in it and right click

ER, left click

[last tartan]

its not a weewoo

[silver skiff]

hurray im slowly making motors

[last tartan]

its a errrhe

[naive palm]

slow but automated motors is infinitely better than having to ratchet them out by hand.

(you could say that for nearly all resources really.)

[stiff ibex]

anything automated is better than by hand lol

[naive palm]

It's true - though I do feel like motors are particularly pernicious to hand-manufacture in the quantities you need them. Banging out 15 iron rods or cable is kind of whatever. 15 motors... 💀

[pure condor]

if I build a second hub do i respawn to the closest one

or the first one

[naive palm]

afaik you can only build one hub.

[pure condor]

oh

why

gahhh

[lean ferry]

I had to handcraft 25 turbo motors for a hard drive

[wicked nacelle]

no coupons to just buy a stack?

[naive palm]

Ficsit used to allow people to build multiple hubs but the space pods kept crashing into one another. If you look around the map you can see examples of this.

[leaden ruin]

why does 1.0 tools add these 0-item blocks to the visual? is it something wrong with my config? #screenshots message

[lean ferry]

didnt have coupons on me it was 4km away from my base

[wicked nacelle]

you can store 2500 in dimensional storage - just for next time 🙂

[elder apex]

Future suggestion: Put coupons in a DD

[wicked nacelle]

it's odd that coupons are a physical item instead of just a electronic balance... but maybe it adds a sense of "accomplishment" by printing them out

[elder apex]

coupons had to be a physical item for the easter egg of sinking a coupon to work

[last tartan]

i love spending my coupons

[lean ferry]

oki I will definetly try to put my coupons into my dimensional depot

[wicked nacelle]

you can also just leave them in the sink and just drop down a sink and print them wherever you are

[past hedge]

my favorite thing to do is hiting the integer limit with the awesome sink

its so satisfying

[lean ferry]

btw I love alternate recipes

[elder apex]

in addition to making them available everywhere it also saves you inventory slots

[lean ferry]

I cna make my full factory by just iron

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think there's any way to accomplish that within the confines of the vanilla game. 2 coupons/minute is the max sustainable

[lean ferry]

no copper and no coal

[past hedge]

wdym

iv done it efortlessly

[wicked nacelle]

and the amount of time it's been out.

[fathom shuttle]

480m/min points is a lot

[wicked nacelle]

even if it's signed 32 bit int, that's a billion seconds to hit

[past hedge]

yea ik

iv hti the 2.1 whatever billion it is

[wicked nacelle]

that's 31 years

[fathom shuttle]

I did it by sinking nuclear pasta

[neat hinge]

are yall using the alternate wire recipe for caterium wire

seems pretty nutty

[wicked nacelle]

I use the copper one a lot

[neat hinge]

lol wdym copper is default

[wicked nacelle]

sorry, that's a billion MINUTES, so it's 60*30 years

[past hedge]

#screenshots message

[neat hinge]

im afraid to waste my only nearby caterium node on copper wire but it is pretty good

[fathom shuttle]

You can just use iron for that

[wicked nacelle]

yep, so do the math at 2 tickets/minute

[neat hinge]

the iron copper wire is actually buttcheeks

[fathom shuttle]

? What is bro on about

[wicked nacelle]

no, it's amazing by not needing copper -- also stitched plate with iron wire is actually more iron efficient than with screws

[neat hinge]

your wasting all your iron on something caterium or copper could do

[atomic notch]

You need copper later😏

[wicked nacelle]

"wasting iron" hahahah

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

[past hedge]

it is if you nerver make more than a normal amount yea

[naive palm]

• there are more iron nodes on the map than grains of sand
• copper is a special tool you'll need for later, besides pedestrian uses like copper sheets

[past hedge]

because you will always have more copper than iron

[neat hinge]

yeah iron is a dime a dozen but that means you gotta make a giant conveyor line or truck for it

[atomic notch]

Train

[neat hinge]

dang i also have a hybrid copper caterium wire recipe

why is there so many options!

really wierd value for fused wire though 12 coppper and 3 caterium

[naive palm]

that iron wire + stitched plate alts are the backbone of my early game factories.

tbf though as rare as caterium 'feels', I see no need to horde it. If you need banana wires and there's a cat node nearby, why not?

[neat hinge]

because i have to go make a damn nobelisk factory and research sulfur tier to unlock the node

[atomic notch]

Lol

Get it dawg

[neat hinge]

so many side quests before i finally complete my starter factory

post ground spaghetti starter

i havent really reached the later tiers ive just been making new saves to make up for past mistakes. what is so copper intensive later on you reccomend saving copper for?

[wicked nacelle]

there's PLENTY of copper for the whole game, don't worry about using it. You run out of nitrogen to make fused cubes before you run out of copper to funnel into pasta

but that said if you don't 'have to involve copper and can just throw iron at the problem, I think that's just easier logistics

[neat hinge]

yeah it makes sense

I just dont wanna setup a truck to go to the nearest iron cluster thats down a 500 meter cliff

[naive palm]

I'm not an electrical engineer. I somehow doubt an iron motor with iron wires and iron casing would work very well.

[wicked nacelle]

it would get VERY hot 🙂

[neat hinge]

yeah those constructors are working black magic

turning iron into copper wire

[wicked nacelle]

also, don't put water and diesel into your car tank to make double the gasoline

[neat hinge]

diluted fuel recipe

[atomic notch]

Yeah this game isnt realistic at all

[fathom shuttle]

Claiming that iron is more scarce than Caterium is crazy

[neat hinge]

im not you goober

[atomic notch]

This guy licks grout i wouldnt debate with him

[naive palm]

licking grout gives you the best looking brick seams though

[neat hinge]

gives your tongue calluses

[naive palm]

that too

[neat hinge]

is cable used in any later important recipes

[atomic notch]

Yes

[naive palm]

many recipes in fact

[bronze atlas]

its used for power wires which EVERYTHING requires.

well everything that is a machine in some way at least.

[neat hinge]

i mean recipes not buildings

[wicked nacelle]

so far in this game setting up a self-contained sloppy aluminum plant has been the most challenging. One that won't get stuck and doesn't just waste coal or make random ingots that aren't needed

[neat hinge]

i guess ill just make like 60 for now

[bronze atlas]

in that case i don't actually know, but im saying everything needs it because you will be using it until you stop building factories.

[wicked nacelle]

yes. LOTS and lots of cables. jesus. So many cables.

[atomic notch]

All the cables

We makin cables in refineries

[neat hinge]

welp

thats a later grout to lick

[atomic notch]

Yeah

Just lick the grout u got now youll get there eventually

[wicked nacelle]

but cables are sort of like screws -- make them where you need them as you need them.

[lavish sleet]

“grout to lick” i think is the greatest thing i’ve heard today btw. just had to lyk

[atomic notch]

Im lickin grout you couldnt comprehend

[neat hinge]

screws can suck it

[naive palm]

Screws are the first thing I optimize out of my factory. I remember my first couple saves... fields of rods and screw production. Entire floors just producing and consuming hundreds of boxes of screws a minute. I'm traumatized.

[wicked nacelle]

screws are easy if you build them where you need them as you need them. just belt ingots not screws into your factory

[neat hinge]

i took 2 hours just to scan harddrives before building my factory just so i didnt have to use screws in my starter

[naive palm]

haha, same

[neat hinge]

cast screws were cool until i realized i can just not need them

[naive palm]

oh wait no - that's overkill. I don't mind using screws like day 1. They are still the first thing I optimize out though.

[wicked nacelle]

as soon as I get cast screws in a game my aversion goes completely away. it's trivial to find a spot to put a single constructor in as needed

[naive palm]

"You're telling me, when I get good at Satisfactory, I can make screws directly from ingots?"
"No Neo. I'm telling you that when you're ready, you won't have to."

[neat hinge]

no i mean i made screws in my ground spaghetti

once i made enough slop i just deleted it and made a slab

a screwless slab

[lean ferry]

YIPPEEEE 6 TURBO MOTORS/M AUTOMATED FINNALY

[wicked nacelle]

that's a tough one, man. good job. but make sure you still have enough normal motors, too. I always screw that up

[lean ferry]

I made it independent

[neat hinge]

i dont wanna go fiddle with steel so im gonna solve my strange caterium sulfure dilemma

[lean ferry]

heeeelepppp I accidentally got stuck under a docking drone

[atomic notch]

Rip

[lean ferry]

nvm I just glitched through

[silent fractal]

did you die

[wicked nacelle]

looking forward to them fixing the "straight belts aren't straight" bug.

[silent fractal]

oh no

i just lost 70 hours on my primary save