satisfactory

[loud ivy]

horizontally couple hundred times

[reef basin]

it's designed so that you build small modules which you connect together

[haughty flax]

how exactly does overflow work, does it automatically detect if nothing else on the belt is requesting the resource and then it'll flow that way?

[green fiber]

how are you trying to use them is the question

maybe we can help with some tips on how to use them

[reef basin]

when item comes into a splitter, the splitter checks next direction it should output to (it goes round robin, so it keeps track of last direction it used). If a direction is full, it checks next one, and so on

with smart splitter, you can have less possible directions limited by the smart splitter setting, so it will check just those directions (and in case there's overflow option, output to overflow if all other possible directions are full)

[haughty flax]

so in that instant it does a check to see if the belt is full or not, it doesnt take into account the entire belt i suppose, so it would be best to always place overfill to sink at the very end of belts?

[reef basin]

yes, generally people route their production to storage and overflow rest to sink

(but that's for final products only, not intermediates)

[fathom shuttle]

So how do I split up a trains through put? Haven’t thought about that yet tbh

[reef basin]

wdym "split trains throughput"?

[timber shoal]

how do you connect them?

[haughty flax]

so if i have a storage container > smart splitter > dimensional depot + sink. Will the storage container be completely drained by going to sink, or will it only flow to sink if the container is filled completely

[fathom shuttle]

If was sending 2400/min ingots through a train and I have a factory that uses 2200 how do I skim off that 200/min?

[reef basin]

yeah, do production > smart splitter > container > depot

[reef basin]

you never merge it onto the belt/train

[fathom shuttle]

Wdym? So I just send 2200 through the train?

[reef basin]

yeah

or you make just 2200 😄

so many people have issues with "what do I do with [some extra thing]" and the easiest answer is always to not make that thing in the first place 😄

[loud ivy]

or you just let the output factory idle

[fathom shuttle]

I’m already making that much tho so idk what to do

[quiet gust]

what about when yuou do math wrong

[reef basin]

well then the question is "why do you make that much if you don't need it"

[reef basin]

then you should learn to verify your math, e.g. with a third-party tool

[fathom shuttle]

I do need the 200/min to go somewhere else in the future but not rn

[reef basin]

then don't merge it onto the train/belt 🤷

[hollow hazel]

Or have a new train at the end.

[quiet gust]

mistakes can still happen quite eeasily

sure its easier to not overproduce, but when you do, you should send it somewhere to be used

[fathom shuttle]

Actually my bigger issue right now is that my aluminum production is only at 60-65% of max because I need Mk6 belts to make it work lol

[quiet gust]

split pure nodes into two mk 5 belts and treat it like you have 1200, then upgrad the small belt at tier 9

[fathom shuttle]

No I’m talking about the bauxite miners

It needs Mk6 belts for me to have full production

[quiet gust]

I know

treat the math as if you have m6

but upgrade them later

[hollow hazel]

How do you split 1200 if you cannot transport 1200 to begin with?

[reef basin]

Mistakes are essier to see without overproduction

[quiet gust]

take a m5 belt and split it in ttwo, then go back at tier nine and upgrade the belt before the split

[haughty flax]

is there any downside to removing belt supports after the belt is created or is it purely aesthetic

[quiet gust]

no

thats what i did

[hollow hazel]

So, just have 780 coming out, and splitting that is.... 390...

[quiet gust]

you understand this is for futureproofing correct, and the system is not expected to work at max efficency until tier 9

and if you want to simulate having m6 belts build a really large buffer, like 5 u=industrial storages

for testing purposes i mean

[hollow hazel]

It kinda sounded like you were implying one could get 1200 out of a single lower tier belt just by splitting the belt later.

[quiet gust]

do you get what i am saying

i dont think you do

[hollow hazel]

Then you should've had a better formulation to begin with.

[haughty flax]

are there enough hard drives to get every alternate recipe? i have some +6 inventory slot options which would be nice but dont want to mess my playthrough

[fluid sapphire]

There are more

Go ham

[hollow hazel]

Anyways, for this particular problem, one option is that at the loading station you add a splitter and connect a mk2 belt to your other destination. Granted, that would be 240 instead of 200 so slightly less to your big production. The other option is to have a smart splitter at the unloading station and have the overflow go into a new station/train to your other destination.

[lunar frigate]

is it worth the time and effort to use tractors or is it better to belt everything across the map w/ foundations until i get trains

[viral light]

Could someone recommend me some "getting started" guides or videos? I don't want spoilers, but I'm new to the game and not sure how to organize my stuff

[hard ivy]

Tractors are decorations imo. Unless you specifically want to use them for some reason, they're not worth the effort compared to belts

[lunar frigate]

im a big fan of Gaming with Doc

[lunar frigate]

also in terms of organization the way i personally like to set up factories w/ verticality in mind is to produce the basic products on the bottom floor, then belt them up to be assembled into the intermediate products on higher floors

thats just my general rule of thumb though

i also love logistical floors in between each production floor so i can cleanly route belts

thats just the way i prefer to do it though, it's not a rule

if you don't like juggling numbers in your head i highly recommend satisfactory modeler, i dont play without it lol

[reef basin]

yes, there's plenty
(though inventory space is kinda meh now that we have depots)

[reef basin]

I heavily recommend not following tutorials and instead learning the game on your own. The ingame voice (ADA) acts like a tutorial, so if you listen to her, you should be good to go. Come here only if you're trully stuck on some problem

[reef basin]

modeller is more of a logistical tool than a calculator

[lunar frigate]

tbf watching a single short on what a manifold was changed everything for me LOL

[unique estuary]

Why ? I was trying to answer something in /art topic but there was a cooldown timer.

[hollow hazel]

You must be new here. One does not simply text in the pictures or videos channel. You got something to say about a picture or video, use this channel (unless it is not Satisfactory related then it is the off-topic channel).

[unique estuary]

Yes I’m new 😉
Understood !

[upbeat shore]

you guys think I should put "successfully implemented train signals in satisfactory" on my resume before applying to NASA

[reef basin]

SF's train signals are insanely easy compared to many other train-based games

[upbeat shore]

well now I know what genre I'm not touching with a 10 foot pole xd

[reef basin]

what issues do you have with SF signals?

[upbeat shore]

it's not an issue I have per say, it's just that I think I may be in the upper percentile in terms of "time it took before my signals stopped looping in on eachother"

but hey, my trains don't crash into eachother anymore, so I'm thriving

[reef basin]

the "problem" many people have is that they signal one junction or something and then see signals giving some errors. but if you start signalling, you have to signal the whole thing first before checking signals for errors, as often the error is just "you haven't finished signalling your network yet"

[upbeat shore]

makes sense

I would also like to thank whichever dev came up with cluster noblisks real quick, I appreciate you, nature does not however.

[leaden ether]

"Identical structure is already built there"... BS!!!!! The ramp and inverted ramp are NOT "Identical structures"

[upbeat shore]

if I pick you up, turn you around 180 degrees and place you on your head, are you still you?

(I'm kidding ofc)

[leaden ether]

And I wouldn't have to try to stack the two if we just had a flat triangular foundation :(

The other odd thing is, sometimes it lets me do it, and other times not. Just to be extra confusing and annoying.

[upbeat shore]

I mean, if you're making it alot, can't you make a blueprint for it?

[vestal mica]

I mean

[leaden ether]

I plan to since this is dressing for a square shaft running through a multi-story building, but first I need to be able to make one :D

[upbeat shore]

just do what I do and keep smashing your head into the metaphorical brick wall until it works

[lean creek]

I’ve got a train freight platform and a conveyor flowing in but it’s not taking any items? Any idea why that would happen?

[vestal mica]

did you put it in the right hole

[leaden ether]

Turns out if, using infinite nudge, I can do a tiny .05 m nudge to the side and it allows it. It's visibly misaligned with the other foundations but since that part is on the ceiling It won't really be noticeable.

[upbeat shore]

eyyyyyy

[vestal mica]

you'll know though. like the telltale heart. it will drive you insane

[upbeat shore]

easy fix though, just lobotomise yourself real quick

[leaden ether]

Heh the part that WILL bug me is that the tips of the triangle overlap and of course Z fight a little bit. -.-

[lean creek]

Yes

[hollow hazel]

1. Conveyor in the correct hole?
2. Station has power?
3. Platform set to Load instead of Unload?
4. Platform full?

[clear aspen]

I passed my AP human geography exam

I’m happy

[vestal mica]

I was kidding. do you have power on the station?

[lean creek]

Yes, station has power, set to load and has no items in it.

Also why does it say next stop is unreachable when I can clearly drive there

[upbeat shore]

consider just deleting and rebuilding the conveyor? maybe that helps

[hollow hazel]

Drive forwards, or backwards? Train only self drives in the direction the locomotive points.

[lean creek]

I turned around the station and for some reason now they’re both working

The train can access the station and its loading, so thank you guys.

[hollow hazel]

Station direction is also important.

[lean creek]

So confusing lol

[hollow hazel]

Station direction must match locomotive direction.

That's the rule of thumb.

which i just made up now

[meager meadow]

if anyone can maybe help with a #dedicated-servers problem please DM me

[vestal mica]

who has two thumbs and doesn't understand trains

[tropic kelp]

me

[vagrant socket]

i have 2 trucks and one of them has to go through a different truck stop to get to its destination, but everytime it does, it acts as though its meant to unload at that station. is there anyway to stop it

currently i have another truck that drops of items at that station, and it looks like the paths are intersecting, and im not sure how to stop it

playing on dedicated server but not sure if its relevant

[wide karma]

can you not send pictures here?

cause i have a train intersection problem

[vestal mica]

will it let you delete the pause node on the route that is just passing through?

[wide karma]

what

[vestal mica]

sorry that was fro @vagrant socket

[wide karma]

oh

[vagrant socket]

yea but then my other truck wont stop at that stop right?

[vestal mica]

but they are different routes right? shouldn't both routes have their own pause

[vagrant socket]

yea but i dont want the second truck to pause at that stop

but it looks like its using the first trucks pause signal

the path i made for truck 2 doesnt have a pause there

[vestal mica]

i don't know. i've never driven two routes through the same station where i didn't want one to actually stop there. so i don't know if the pause symbols are overlapping or shared or what

[vagrant socket]

theyre acting like its shared but i dont know if its intended or broken somehow

[vestal mica]

yeah, dunno. you might have to build an overpass or underpass or something and record route 2

again

[bold wedge]

same thing happening to me rn, any idea what you did for it to "fix itself"?

[white dawn]

Yes, trucks/tractors will stop at any station they pass through

[vagrant socket]

yea i was really hoping i wouldnt have to

[white dawn]

There's no way around that

[vagrant socket]

ah so it is intended
thanks for the help guys

[white dawn]

They will in fact start stopping at new stops, I think, if you build a new one in its path

[vestal mica]

you can't edit the pause node created at that station?

i've never tried to do anything fancy with trucks/tractors

[vagrant socket]

thats really frustating

i setup like 5 stops in a row and already did the belting

[white dawn]

It's a single pause node for the station. You can edit it, but it'll apply to any vehicle stopping there

[white dawn]

Vehicles do have a learning curve, yeah, and have some unexpected behavior like that. I hear ya, though at least now you know, so you won't make the same mistake again. :)

[bold wedge]

are we talking same route loaded or record a new route for each truck/tractor?

[vagrant socket]

new route per truck

[bold wedge]

thats crazy

cant you just delete the pause node at any station you dont want it to stop at

[vagrant socket]

yea ngl though its feeling like trucks arent worth the effort

[vagrant socket]

itll delete it for every truck

[white dawn]

This is also why you don't need to bother manually loading/unloading as you record the track -- what you do manually with the cargo doesn't matter at all; if a vehicle stops at a station it'll do whatever the station's configured to do

[vestal mica]

they're making it sound like every route that goes through a station has to have the same behavior in that station

[bold wedge]

thats ridiculous

[sharp sentinel]

I think what I'm going to do in order to prevent issues in the future regarding drones is run a conveyor belt the 200m to where that factory from earlier is and where I needed most of it to go.

[vagrant socket]

that is very painful

[white dawn]

Yes and no; it'll just recreate a new node. I don't think a route can go through a station without a yellow pause node being there

[bold wedge]

wait but what do you mean by "stop"

[white dawn]

I mean, you're right that it imposes some design restrictions on how you build your stations

[vagrant socket]

ngl looks like conveyor lines are best until trains
thanks for helping me work it out

[bold wedge]

load/unload or just brake

[vagrant socket]

load unload

[bold wedge]

thats

[white dawn]

But I often have dozens of vehicles delivering stuff to central storage areas; so long as you know how they work, it's not hard to build depots around them

[vagrant socket]

yea i figured it was smt like that

[bold wedge]

what

u sure?

wait lemme check if mine do that

[vagrant socket]

fair but i think for general use theyre very underwhelming

[white dawn]

Up to you, of course. Personally I still find them extremely handy. Just means you've gotta design your stations with their behavior in mind

Eh, agree to disagree, in the end

[vagrant socket]

yea agreed

[vestal mica]

you gotta make those 5 stations like side by side like toll booths and each route picks one

[white dawn]

I generally always use vehicles quite heavily in the early-to-midgame, and continue to put in new vehicle routes where appropriate even into the lategame

[vestal mica]

i guess

[white dawn]

Once you know how to work with 'em it's second nature, and avoids having (IMO) ugly belts all over the place.

[vagrant socket]

yea but it means i have to change my base design now so ima just do a conveyor belt instead

[white dawn]

Plus: cute li'l sugarcubes trundling all over the place

[vagrant socket]

maybe for another setup ill have them setup in bays

[white dawn]

(Not trying to say you should use vehicles if you don't want to, of course. Everyone's gonna have their preferences, and you won't be alone in not using vehicles if you decide not to. Your save, your rules, etc. :)

[south sinew]

ok, build my first rocket fuel power planet, and gotta admit that it was... tedious

by the time you're placing your 200th fuel generator it sure gets old

[vestal mica]

drone army. ground logistics are for suckers

stuck in your 2 dimensions

[white dawn]

Blueprints can help, of course -- if you don't mind really tight pipework you can fit four in a 5x5 blueprinter

Though I'm with you in that I don't like fuel gen spam. :)

[south sinew]

I tried to put four in but couldn't quite make it work, I had to use 2

[vagrant socket]

yea fair but for when you unlock them i feel they arent worth it if you have to do all this designing around them cos by the time you need them you can have trains

[sick heart]

is it still a "good idea" to build train blueprints with one full foundation between tracks in a dual track system, or is this due to old bugs which have now been fixed

[white dawn]

Trains require even more designing around them, IMO

[vagrant socket]

yea they defo require more designing but at that point it feels more worth it yk

[white dawn]

Plus I disagree with the "by the time you need them you can have trains" bit; Tractors are unlocked quite early, and make up the backbone of my early-to-midgame logistics generally

I admit that, yes, once I unlock Trains I tend to start using them pretty heavily

[bold wedge]

yeah no they dont do that .. ??

[white dawn]

But Vehicles are designed for early-to-midgame logistics, and they are great for that purpose

[vagrant socket]

understandable
tbf my stuf is generally quite compact with the only thing being long distance is the few resource nodes i need

[full spoke]

Is there any way to make tractors have no collision?

[vagrant socket]

mines are doing it even if i havent said to do it

[bold wedge]

im looking at them rn i have 2 tractors going on the same "road" (different recorded route) and they pass through each other's stations but only stop and load/unload at their respective ones

[white dawn]

I tend to spread out quite quickly. Got a whole map to conquer, after all!

[vagrant socket]

wtf
mines arent doing that
wna trade?

i am on a dedicated server btw

[bold wedge]

vro

[vagrant socket]

dunno if dedicated servers change things

[bold wedge]

idk never messed around with servers

[vagrant socket]

ill redo all my truck routes cos i really want these to work otherwise its back to conveyors for me

[bold wedge]

im quite new to the game

[vagrant socket]

lol golbal conquest ftw

[bold wedge]

but you recorded each tractors' own path, right?

[vagrant socket]

yep

[bold wedge]

and only instructing them to load/unload at their respective stations

[vagrant socket]

yep

[bold wedge]

weird cuz i did the same and its working fine

[vagrant socket]

first truck stops at first station and second stops at second station

completely new paths for each

[bold wedge]

and both stop at both?

[vestal mica]

how close together are your stations?

i feel like i've seen issues where the "hitbox" of the station load/unload can overlap and cause issues

[south sinew]

ok

I'm coming to realise that Caterium is actually way less valuable than I thought

really, Caterium Ingot just only has two things it's actually used in, Wire and Quickwire

[bold wedge]

#screenshots message

maybe the tractors arent touching the other station's hitbox? idk

but judging by the fact that theyre literally next to one another, thats not very likely

[vestal mica]

those seem pretty close. if that's working for you, seems like what @vagrant socket was trying to do should be possible

[bold wedge]

yeah it is working

[minor jay]

i forget exactly but i think it was just alt-tab out and into the game? or just exit and reenter that menu

[mortal ginkgo]

stations got much bigger hitbox to start the load/unload process. even if you pressed F after stopping closeby the station, the AI immediately does the F action right away when in the hitbox of the station

[bold wedge]

it fixed itself 😭🙏 that mightve been what i did too by coming here

[minor jay]

makes sense lol but yea weird bug

[vestal mica]

the challenge is to get an automated truck to drive through a station without actually stopping there. seems to work for some but not others

[bold wedge]

yeah so ur saying its pretty much impossible for them to not touch the other stations hitbox in this case?

[vestal mica]

so trying to figure out what the difference is

[bold wedge]

fr

#screenshots message
cant see it as clearly for this lefthand side station but i showed each tractor's path individually and as we can see, one has the load/unload pause node on the right and the other has it on the left

anddd i just got run over by my tractor while standing there 🥀

[mortal ginkgo]

the thing is, "press F" that is recorded does not take the "stop first" into account. There is no record for that. Tractor immediately press F if it is in range of a Station and starting to slow down to stop.

it is wonky recording. I just have enough space between my stations and it works

[vagrant socket]

just fogured it out

theres multiple pauses at each stop one for each truck so i just have to remove the right pause
completely related - is there anyway to add a pause onto a path without having to redo the whole path if i accidentally remove the wrong pause?

[vagrant socket]

yes there is just reload the path obviously i finally figured it out
thanks to raf for giving me hope that there was smt i was missing

[vagrant socket]

except now the deleted pause is gone from my saved path even though i didnt save the path after i deleted it
im confused again

[rancid hearth]

Guys, care to share (with a ping) how you line up multiple foundry in #screenshots ?

[true mulch]

are you asking how to connect conveyor belts to foundries?

if so: #screenshots message

those are assemblers but it works exactly the same

[slate solstice]

I love satisfactory!!! 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥❤️‍🔥

[rancid hearth]

That one way to do it indeed. Though I would love something less spaghetti... x)

[true mulch]

spaghetti?

how is that spaghetti

that's a clean way of handling it

not sure how else you could approach this

[onyx owl]

I think he means

multiple in a row connected

[true mulch]

that is a row of assemblers

[onyx owl]

what

[fathom shuttle]

Max consumption just went above production

Very bad

[onyx owl]

more power gens 🗣️ 🔥

[fathom shuttle]

I don’t want to build the nuclear power plant rn 💀

[onyx owl]

fuel generator + crude oil + coal + sulfur

[leaden turret]

#satisfactory-memes message

[fathom shuttle]

Lol

I haven’t heard that sound in a long long time

I need to do the piping for the water now

[rancid hearth]

yeah, it's clean, but if I have to go vertical on such narrow space, I would prefer it to be conveyor lift instead of curved conveyor. I'm trying to make compact yet OK looking bleuprints such as this : #screenshots message

And I can't find a nice way to do it with Foundry

[true mulch]

this was tested and conveyor lifts don't save any space

if you build the manifold above the foundries it'll be ridiculously tall

[indigo nexus]

is the 1.1 worth it to play one more time?

[fathom shuttle]

It doesn’t change anything production wise

[fathom shuttle]

Just adds QoL improvements and neat features like auto connect

If you’ve already finished the game on 1.0 already then it’s not really worth playing for new content or anything like that

[sly delta]

quick question : what kind of spots would you suggest for a main base ?
I was going for the giant pit in the center of the map just because of how much space it offers but I'm curious to hear where y'all would go

[hard ivy]

I would not build a main base at all

[hollow hazel]

You'd just have your HUB on a cliff and have little production cubicles scattered all over, yes? 😄

[hard ivy]

well, not "litte", but yes

[hollow hazel]

Right. Entire rows of 16 smelters and constructors at every pure node already on tier 1. 😂

Btw, how far is the drive to the Awesome Shop? 🤣

[hard ivy]

drive?

[odd hedge]

why can't i friggin unload at the docking station

it pisses me off how it works sometimes and sometimes not

[fathom shuttle]

Set the settings right

On the station

[hollow hazel]

.... an hours walk away?

[fathom shuttle]

You can build it where you want it

[hard ivy]

no, 10-30s of hypertube flight

[hollow hazel]

Aaahhhh...

Wait, hypertubes at tier 1?

[hard ivy]

who said anything about tier 1?

[hollow hazel]

rebi

I assume...

[hard ivy]

?

[hollow hazel]

yeah

[odd hedge]

uhh it worked before normally and this time when i do get it the unloading thing in the bottom right of my screen is frozen
turns out my coal generator decided to fail apparently and i didn't notice

[sly delta]

I'm asking cuz I just got access to trains and making factories right on the nodes isn't enough anymore

[hard ivy]

i build near the nodes until I build a nuke plant in tier 8/9

[odd hedge]

but still sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't i have to leave the tractor or move it a little it's so confusing

[fathom shuttle]

It depends on the scale you’re going for

[sly delta]

I was planning on making one main base and retrieving as much ore and oil as I could to bring it back in the main base and build accordingly

since I'll have all the resources in one point, it should get easier from there

[hard ivy]

i mean if you want to do a lot of unnecessary logistics, sure

[fathom shuttle]

It’s pointless to send the oil to your base since you only need the things you make from it

[hollow hazel]

If you think that would be easier to pack all your machines into one building then sure. The biggest open field I can think of with least obstructions and nodes would be the green plains in the southwest.

[fathom shuttle]

You don’t need the oil itself so why go through the effort of transporting it across multiple kms

[sly delta]

mb, I didn't mean to bring literally everything, just what I actually need

[leaden ether]

I'm doing something similar this run BUT, I am not pulling in raw ores. I'm doing first phase processing of ores into base materials like plates, rods, rubber, plastic, aluminum sheets and cases etc. on location. Then pullling all those in for all the mid and high tier constructions. Given that I am currently pulling in 4-8k worth of ores into these low level facilities, it seems a bit onerous in my case to try to gather all of then centrally. It can be done but hoo boy... I'll end up with like 25 trains or something just as it is.

[hollow hazel]

Process the oil on location is what I'd do.

[timber shoal]

are the cubes on the superimposition oscillators supposed to jitter around erratically on belts? or is that a visual bug

[leaden ether]

yes it's on purporse. Like the jittering of sam materials and some other things :)

[fathom shuttle]

Probably dlss ghosting or shimmering

Unless you mean the random color changes to pink or purple, then it’s intentional

[leaden ether]

No the little cubes hop around like they contain a piece of a black hole and are about to explode.

I wouldn't touch them if I were you

[gleaming thicket]

any idea if there is a plan for cross play when it hits xbox

[timber shoal]

probably because they do contain a piece of a black hole (dark matter crystal)

[hollow hazel]

Don't just touch the black hole... C O N S U M E

[indigo nexus]

nah finished phased 3 then didnt played since some months

[vestal mica]

you guys can touch my little cubes

[ivory condor]

I would touch just to see what happens👀

[loud ivy]

nuke nobelisks are way funnier than they should be

[smoky forge]

didnt automate them yet ;-;

[loud ivy]

i did not either,i just made a haphazard production like with quickwire being brought by drone

[loud ivy]

and generally all resources for nobelisks beight brought by me

[fathom shuttle]

Keep playing that save, the game gets a lot better once you reach aluminum

[fathom shuttle]

Gonna make my first truck highway

All for one truck to unload 120/min iron plates lol

[gloomy horizon]

you guise, Amelie is streaming again!

[fathom shuttle]

Is there a way I can take half the coupons from the sink

I don’t want to take all 500

[high patrol]

@fathom shuttle You can take all out, split the stack and put half of it back in when there is 1 ticket in the sink

[sharp sentinel]

Hm. Just got pinged in screenshots, but there's nothing there.

[elder apex]

or feed the ones you don't want yet back into a DD so that you can get them later from anywhere

[tranquil maple]

Episode 19 of my idiocy: needed to build 80 refineries and my stupid brain set my to do list to 80 of my refinery BLUEPRINTS, meaning I built 90 of the 240 refineries on my to do list before realizing what happened.

[sour ledge]

man seeing your train go up a spiral ramp on the map is weird...

it was going in this tiny little circle over and over and i was wondering if i screwed up the tracks really bad or what

[swift kernel]

What was episode 18?

[tranquil maple]

having toi move all the packager BECAUSE of the refineries, then having to replace them in the exact same spot

[fathom shuttle]

I can’t put them back

[swift kernel]

I literally laughed out loud

Jaymo, it's so relatable and horrible

[tranquil maple]

ikr

[fathom shuttle]

Are you doing diluted packaged fuel?

[tranquil maple]

yea

[high patrol]

You have to wait until there is a new one in the sink and drag the stack you want to put back to the new ticket in the sink

[fathom shuttle]

Yea I wouldn’t

[tranquil maple]

lol

[fathom shuttle]

So it has to been a new one?

Guess I’ll need to wait for a couple of minutes lol

[high patrol]

Yeah, that's kinda annoying, I have the same problem sometimes

[fathom shuttle]

Guess if I took out that many might as well splurge a lil on some stuff

227 tickets down the drain lol

I’m on controller rn I’ll just transfer the stack later

[viscid bobcat]

bro im stuck in a cycle

like i am playing satisfactory, then I am building and growing my factory, and when a problem arises I lose motivation and save it for the next time

[stark solar]

It's ok to do that with games. You can't expect to always be motivated 100% of the time.

[viscid bobcat]

also, when do I unlock the pathways with the rails?

not the foundations

[prisma forge]

is there any way I can "calculate" how much of fluid will a train take to a place?
Like I wanna build a huge rocket fuel powerplant, but I need to know the amount of oil per minute that a train (or several) will bring to the powerplant. Is there any way to have an estimated amount?

[foggy heart]

Anyone got any tips for a central storage with overflow to sink, without merging all my items into 1 line? I built something like that very functional on my world from a few years ago, but I cant load that save becuase some mods I used no longer exist!

[versed mirage]

how much smart plating p/min is good for the rest of the game im at phase 2

[foggy heart]

Or is there a way to save my modded game from a few years ago?

[fathom shuttle]

2.5/min and build a really really big storage cluster

[stark solar]

Jack: I normally run my items across the ceiling, and use a minimal height lift to feed into the lower-back of a double-height storage, with the upper front feeding up into a DD on top. It's not hard to slip a smart splitter to the back of that lift to feed into a very tidy separate line to the sink.

[fathom shuttle]

Though if you plan to 100% automate ballistic warp drives i recommend that you make enough until you finish phase 2&3

Then dismantle the production

[stark solar]

Jack: I think if you use custom items, you're not going to be able to load your game unless you can install the same mods.

[fathom shuttle]

Guys I had a little oopsie

[foggy heart]

Yeah thats pretty much what I have in mind but I just cant get it to work

[stark solar]

bookie: So go to the bathroom and take care of it

[fathom shuttle]

I messed up the refinery outputs and forgot one and now I’ll need to redo the whole piping thing

[stark solar]

Ohhhh

[versed mirage]

so should i not use a miner mk2 on a pure node thats like what 5/p min

i could split some into a rip factory/rotor factory

[foggy heart]

When I try load the save it gives me a list of mods that are missing, but i cant find some of them in SMM. Like KBFL, i dont even know what that is/was

[hushed axle]

I’m so new it’s scary

Lowkey bamboozled

[stark solar]

Jack: Ah, then you may need to start over.

[foggy heart]

Damn!

[stark solar]

acerdaze: I generally think it makes sense to always use the best miner you have, build to use it fully when possible and underclock until then

[fathom shuttle]

Nope use an impure node, it’s a very low priority item for you over the long run. Hand feed the machines to get what you need for the space elevator

[foggy heart]

No way to revert my game back to update 8? lmao

[fathom shuttle]

Get a storage constraint of rotors and reinforced iron plates

Sloop the output if you can

[versed mirage]

alright so should i use 3 pure nodes for rotors rips stators and motors

[stark solar]

Jack: You may be able to force steam to get you an older version of the game, if that's your platform. Might be high-effort though.

Jack: And you'd be stuck without cool new stuff.

[foggy heart]

Yeah might just be easier to figure out the storage xD

[foggy heart]

Nah just to load my old world and look at how i built my storage there

[stark solar]

You might be able to find an online save editor that can load it partially? Unclear if any might convert it

My guess is if it can load it, it will be able to save a trimmed version.

[foggy heart]

You gave me an idea! I loaded it in SCIM, now just to decipher it xD

[stark solar]

Jack: See if SCIM can save it, and if the editor has any options to remove the mod dependencies.

If it can, you'll be golden, even if your factories need some fixing up afterwards.

[foggy heart]

Wouldnt even know where to start with this

[wicked nacelle]

can't you just tell the game to load without the mods?

and then anything it doesn't know how to build just disappears?

[foggy heart]

It crashes immediately when I do that

[vestal mica]

were you playing with the satisfactory plus mods? kbfl is included in that

[foggy heart]

Cant rememebr tbh, doesnt sound familiar

[wicked nacelle]

youd know if you were. it's a VERY different experience

[foggy heart]

Gonna try delete any modded buildings in scim and try load it again

[fathom shuttle]

3 pure nodes is a lot of iron

3600 with Mk6 belts

[wicked nacelle]

use pure iron on it for another like.. 80%?

[fathom shuttle]

Things are eerily quiet once the machines you had on power down

[fathom shuttle]

Wdym?

[wicked nacelle]

use pure iron alt recipe

you get like 1.8 ingots per ore

[fathom shuttle]

Also, 45GW max consumption vs 40GW production and I’m not even done with half the projects to automate the parts I need. Isn’t this so amazing lol

Just this factory will send me to like 35-38GW so I’ll only have 2GW to spare

[foggy heart]

One thing I suspect is it could be literally all my buildings. They're all daisy chain buildings from the mod "Daisy Chain Power Cables" - which i cant find on smm

[fathom shuttle]

Oh that’s bad

Like bad BAD

[wicked nacelle]

I just saw that one..

[fathom shuttle]

Yea that’s an easy double too

[wicked nacelle]

https://ficsit.app/mod/76f3z8xSJoAazj

[fathom shuttle]

It’s very good if you want to do something like HMF with iron pipes or all iron motors

[foggy heart]

Yeah i'm deleting them all one by one on scim. Luckily its only 1613 buildings 🙂

[fathom shuttle]

Smart

Wait are you deleting the buildings themselves? Or the daisy chain cables

[elder apex]

daisy chained power doesn't required the mod to be installed to keep playing with existing daisy chained machines

[wicked nacelle]

that's cool

[elder apex]

it just bypasses the restriction for making the power link in the first place

[stark solar]

You may just want to try immediately re-downloading the safefile back out of SCIM, to see if the game can load that without crashing

[wicked nacelle]

oh yeah, it's makred "vanilla friendly"

[foggy heart]

Buildings, the buildings are the modded assests

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots rate rhe pipping 0/10

[stark solar]

Maybe whatever sanity checks are in the SCIM safefile saver will fix the issue

[fathom shuttle]

||Anyone who doesn’t say 10/10 gets banned||

[wicked nacelle]

?

[stark solar]

Trying to get the banned back together, eh?

[wicked nacelle]

12/10

[leaden ether]

I tried to do that with my 1.0 save file which crashes 1.1 when loading and it didn't work for me unfortunately.

[wicked nacelle]

oops, typo. 1.2/10

[half scaffold]

JUST starting to look into trains and plan a couple routes.
Question, I was thinking about a loop with two trains. Could I make it so each only stops at one particular stop (or later, series of stops)?

[fathom shuttle]

Dual track solves all the issues

[wicked nacelle]

yes. but best to just start by making 2-raill highway system everywhere

@half scaffold I got nothing going on if you want some 1 on 1 help. Let me know

[half scaffold]

It looks like the stops have two tracks. Is one pass through the the other load/unload?

[wicked nacelle]

nah. think about an interstate/highway system where all the stuff is on an offramp/onramp

[half scaffold]

Thanks for the offer, I'm WAY early in planning stage, and about to go pick up my son 😄

[wicked nacelle]

and the traffic that wants to skip it never even knows it's there

[half scaffold]

Ok, so go get my son, set up production on a couple elevator items, then plan for 4 hrs, then build for 10 😛

[wicked nacelle]

if you have sloops, that's greta to sloop

the further downstream in your production you sloop the more raw resources that it actually doubles (everything upstream of it)

[fathom shuttle]

8 600/min pipes of fuel right by the power cables

That can’t be very safe right

[stark solar]

You can sloop picking up your son? Does that get you 2 sons?

[fathom shuttle]

Brooo I forgor to do the outputs on the blender blueprints 💀 💀 💀

Now I’ll need to do every single one by hand

[foggy heart]

Question for anyone who knows: In SCIM, all buildings are usually orange with a red or purple border, what does it mean if instead of orange, the building is SOLID RED

[open steppe]

can someone help me do some maths, i can ss 🥺

[fathom shuttle]

What is it

[open steppe]

iron farm

idk what the problem is

[fathom shuttle]

#math-and-meta go over there and send all the info

[wicked nacelle]

what is the symptom?

[open steppe]

uh ok

[stark solar]

Wow, I never noticed that satisfactory saves are really that small.

[foggy heart]

How do I link a screenshot?

[open steppe]

uhhh idk how to exaplin

[foggy heart]

#screenshots this is what I mean, cant understand why some are red and others arents. Its not because its full

[fathom shuttle]

What are you making
How much
What miners, belts, and nodes are you using

[wicked nacelle]

probably your belts are too slow

[open steppe]

im using iron node

[wicked nacelle]

you end up needing to make modules with intermediary parts made multiple for each module not just once for everything

[open steppe]

ok

[open steppe]

checl now

[wicked nacelle]

especially with screws if you try to make a ton in one place you find out you can't actually move them

[open steppe]

i need more

[restive summit]

if i want to make a 24/7 server does my device have to be on 24/7

[wicked nacelle]

yes?

[restive summit]

oh ok

[wicked nacelle]

but the game server itself takes very little CPU and no graphics power.

[static swan]

but takes electricity ^^

[wicked nacelle]

but not NEARLY as much compared to playing the game

it's like 30w vs 300w

[static swan]

around 15 $ /month for 24/7

[wicked nacelle]

You have no clue how much his electricity costs

[nocturne orbit]

how do peple manage to create multi-story blueprints?

I ran into splitting input problems

[wicked nacelle]

blueprint maker is a cube

[nocturne orbit]

it's kinda hard to connect everything without overlapping everything on everything

#design-and-architecture message

[wicked nacelle]

it's reasonable to assume it takes .7kwh/day. So that's 20khw. For me that's like... $300. And that's assuming my computer would otherwise be off

[nocturne orbit]

why there's no way to split vertically?

[static swan]

anywhere expect in really poor country the electricity would cost around that

[wicked nacelle]

I just did the math for me. $2.63/mo assuming my computer would otherwise be off. but it's not. so it's actually free

[nocturne orbit]

saying hi from super poor country where it costs more because... terrible reasons

[wicked nacelle]

and if I ran it on a laptop it would be less. Yeah, poor countries often have more expensive power.

[static swan]

ur calculation is obv wrong 30W for an active pc is an utopia

[wicked nacelle]

that's my point. The server is very low cpu

[static swan]

running a satisfactory server idling would take 1vcpu and at least 4gb of ram

yeah but there is ram fan

motherboard

[wicked nacelle]

yes, I'm sure that "ram fan" sucks down a ton of power.

[static swan]

little by litlle 24/7 ^^

in my opinion a normal pc running a satisfactory server would need around 100-150W

• the fact that we will play on it so consume more u can add some more watts here

[fallen moss]

Chat help, fren is stuck in train what do? Can't exit derailing didn't help

[restive summit]

what exactly is a server in satisfactory?

[frail sleet]

When power is low (<100w and especially <50w) PSU efficiency is a huge factor as well.

PSU's have peak efficiency at 50% load.

If the CPU and RAM draw 30w and you have the best possible PSU rating (600w titanium) then the PSU would draw 33w from the wall to provide that. With a worse PSU, it can easily be 40-50w.

[wicked nacelle]

guys. Laptops can easily draw single digit watts without the monitor on. Satisfactory is VERY low cpu and can run on one efficiency core.

[frail sleet]

and you will only get down to those powers with very restrictive power limits. Stuff like fans use a couple watts each, storage drives do, etc.

[wicked nacelle]

have you actually run a dedicated satisfactory server?

[frail sleet]

A: they can only do that in some situations with extremely restricted performance, and only on some cpu models (e.g. having RAM and storage drives in idle states, fans off)
B: that's the power draw from the battery, not the wall
C: Satis server is not trivial or even easy to run, in lategame it can make a 9950x3d struggle.

[wicked nacelle]

have you run a dedicated server?

[static swan]

laptop or pc is the same as u don't use the gpu anyway

and yes i run one and i can assure u u can't run a satisfactory server for 30W

[wicked nacelle]

They are NOT the same. Laptops tend to be very highly power optimized.

[static swan]

if u'r lucky u can get down to 100W and that would be very very low

150 is more like it

and expect if u live in india it would cost u more than 20 bucks

[wicked nacelle]

My laptop can't even pull 100W. Not even close. It charges under load from 30w power adapter. With the screen on - with gpu not running

my head is about to explode from the stuff people say around here

and my laptop can easily run a satisfactory server

[frail sleet]

I guarantee it will choke with my save

[static swan]

1 fan is 5w an ssd is 10w psu loses is 10-20w motherboard is 10w and that is without anything runnig

u can add 50W for the cpu and i'm very undernumber

u could save a couple bucks with ur laptop but u won't get past phase 4 ^^

[sullen gull]

I did try to run her save on an IB dedicated. It was rather horrid. Ran MUCH better locally.

[wicked nacelle]

IB dedicated?

[sullen gull]

Indifferent Broccoli

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, don't do that. all the low cost options for any game MASSIVELY oversubscribe their hardware

[sullen gull]

Yeah. I was going to try and run it on my 1u I have running here locally, but it's only a Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2430 0 @ 2.20GHz

[wicked nacelle]

Launch Date
Q2'12

IPC has come a long ways in the last 13 years. but it might still be happy 🙂

[sullen gull]

Yeah, it's a furnace for sure 🤣

[wicked nacelle]

a noisy furnace I'm sure if it's 1U I have some similar ones that I just don't turn on because my PC is so much more powerful at this point

[sullen gull]

It's suprisingly not that bad. But it's setup in one of my "closets", So I never hear it. But even when I go in there it's not that loud

[wicked nacelle]

mine have a "workstation mode" in their bios which makes then almost tolerable.

[sullen gull]

It's an older poweredge r320

[ivory condor]

maybe some are but not gaming laptops those use things like intel hx chips, which are literally the same chips used in desktop, aka not power optimized at all for mobile

[wicked nacelle]

for sure, but you don't need that at all. satisfactory dedicated server is remarkably tame

lots of the CPU when you're playing is going to sending calls to the graphics drivers

none of that happens on the dedicated server

[frail sleet]

yes but when i host with high network quality i lose 70% of framerate 😛

and the game breaks

[ivory condor]

wait shouldnt it, some belt calculations, etc are being run on the gp now hmmm

[frail sleet]

(e.g. commands to place a blueprint get eaten, nothing happens)

[ivory condor]

unless the dedicated server is using less optimized logic for things like belts hmmm

[frail sleet]

yeah and it causes pretty high gpu load

[wicked nacelle]

high network has issues. not high network causes other issues.

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think so.

[frail sleet]

on lower network quality, the game itself breaks more (e.g. it can take 30 seconds for placed objects to update onto clients, rather than just a 5 second delay)

[ivory condor]

wait its you, hmm didnt you have me blocked how strange🤔

[sullen gull]

But remember, when you are hosting, your pulling "double duty". Whereas a dedicated would take out the network overhead.

[wicked nacelle]

yes, unfortunately all network settings have issues... just different ones.

[ivory condor]

hmmm just thinking about previous stream videos where they talked about how more factory calculations were being run on the gpu now

[wicked nacelle]

you have a link? But basically anything the GPU does won't be known by the base game that runs on the CPU. It can be done, but it doesn't actually make sense to do that. Also, GPUs aren't good at many types of calculations -- they're basically floating point machines.

[barren condor]

was wondering fi there might be any updates on the consol release at all?

[ivory condor]

I would have to look it was in a older video where Snutt talked about it, how likewise belt logic was compressed together and math was running on the gpu for certain belt logic

Mostly I think it was things like belt manifolds, etc

[sullen gull]

After summer break (rumor has it possibly around october last I heard). Check #announcements . Otherwise you know as much as we do.

[frail sleet]

Modern gpu's are very fast at parallel integer processing as well

[wicked nacelle]

I could absolutely see something where the engine knows how many things are on a belt or something and it doesn't care exactly where to show them and it hands the info off to the GPU to figure out where on the belt to show them. But that's not needed by the dedicated server because it doesn't show the items

[viral light]

That's not true, GPUs are used for calculations in games

[barren condor]

awsome thanks. i konw theres not much info around. been watching the gamea for a while but wanting to play and i dont have a pc. also not verry active in the comunity atm bc i dont really play it but tysm for the info.

[wicked nacelle]

can you give an example? I'm not familiar with GPUs doing stuff where the computational outputs are persisted in the game engine

[viral light]

Any physics simulations, offloading calculations to the GPU is pretty standard thing

[ivory condor]

https://youtu.be/yIKjR5jVv9Y?si=zWbnnkyrGp1ug-jZ&t=290

There

[wicked nacelle]

yes, but the information for each frame is done on the CPU and then handed off. The next frame is based on the previous CPU calculations not the GPU calculations.

[white fiber]

is the coal burner bug fixed on 1.1?

[frail sleet]

I don't know this for sure (some inferance)

In V Rising they most likely calculate shadow maps on the GPU, use them to draw graphics, but transfer a copy of it at regular intervals to the CPU (say every 1 second) to then use to determine if you're standing in shadow for the purpose of taking sun damage.

The resolution and frequency required makes it a few less orders of magnitude than the data used to draw pretty graphics, so it's reasonable to do that, and i can't think of a better way to ensure that the graphical shadows and the actual safe zones match up as tightly and consistently as they do in game while the CPU performance is so high.

[wicked nacelle]

and that GPU data doesn't interact with the rest of the world -- that's common for "explosion physics" or whatever... it's graphics only

[viral light]

Not really, GPUs have lots of fast memory, so it is used for calcualtions pretty often

[dense violet]

coal burner bug? what coal burner bug?

[ivory condor]

The game apparently uses the gpu for factory logic such as belts now, see above video

[viral light]

Makes sense

[wicked nacelle]

5:06 "computational relief for your cpu as it won't have to work through as many"

the next section about GPU seems to be about shadows -- it's poorly broken up to say which parts describe which parts in game.

[viral light]

Ye, thats the GPU offloading

[ivory condor]

It does, gpu is good for parallelism and certain types of math operations, so it makes sense they could use the gpu for belt calculations

[wicked nacelle]

He doesn't say "computational relief because it's on the GPU" he says "cpu relief because it doesn't have to work through as many instances"

shadows, absolutely are GPU.

anyhow, the CPU requirements for a dedicated server are still plenty low without being on the GPU.

[white fiber]

Sometimes the coal burner will not take coal from the conveyor belt.

[dense violet]

do you mean coal generator or a burner from a mod?
afaik coal generators have no issues

[viral light]

Dedi servers with lots of power are pretty cheap these days

[ivory condor]

hmmm actually I think Snutts explanation wasn't exactly clear and maybe he meant something my brain interpreted the wrong way

Well explaining something in a clear way isn't always the easiest thing to do

[wicked nacelle]

I agree it was not clear. He's not a developer, right? maybe just lost in translation - translation between tech and community 🙂

[ivory condor]

but now I have to question if I misinterpreted what Snutt meant all along

[wicked nacelle]

and absolutely fewer chunks of belts would be easier on whatever is computing them.

[white fiber]

the original

[sullen gull]

I heard it as the calculations for pipes and belts are now done on the GPU 🤷‍♂️

[ivory condor]

yeah it makes sense in a way, only have to do the math once if its one chunk instead of a several, so it would be less stress on the cpu or whatever is processing it

hmmm the game has this thing called chain actors for belts but im not totally sure how that works

[wicked nacelle]

I would have expected "belt calculations are now on the GPU instead of CPU". Instead he said it's "easier on the CPU". anyhow, it runs on linux without any GPU driver requirements. So maybe it just doesn't do the offload, but the CPU is still low load with no GPU -- and back to the original point - that's what matters for how much power it takes to run a dedicated server.

[ivory condor]

but from what i can tell belts have chain actors now associated with them, so I think that ties into whatever Snutt is talking about

[wicked nacelle]

that makes sense, but I don't see any way to draw any conclusions about where that would run based on that.

[ivory condor]

yeah and I'm not totally clear how these chain actors are used within the game either

but i can see the belts use them

[wicked nacelle]

my guess would be that it's that each part of the chain uses the output of the previous to then be the input to it. but... shrug

[ivory condor]

the header files are very unclear of how any of it actually works🙂

[dire pollen]

i love yall

[tired cypress]

Please let me make just one little Ficsonium bomb to reduce the entire red forest to a smoking crater

[wicked nacelle]

I want to call down space nukes

[tired cypress]

I mean it's not like the wildlife won't just tank it anyway

[wicked nacelle]

orbital bombardment

[tired cypress]

Rod From God that platform we're building

[haughty flax]

finally got the hoverpack, time to restart my entire world

[dim sundial]

misplaced all my summer sloop, any ideas how to find them

[haughty flax]

run around with deconstruct out and pay attention to what it'll refund u

[ivory condor]

It is interesting they mention a crater being made on earth from Ficsonium, so clearly like uranium it has explosive outcomes, pity we can't actually turn them into a bomb

[latent prawn]

you can see if a machine has one if you pay attention to the refund list when you're in delete mode

[wicked nacelle]

SCIM will tell you. Pull up the building list and look for things with (x2) next to them

[ivory condor]

What was it, it was what put Ficsit on the map, literally, the crater is still there lol

[wicked nacelle]

do you know how to use scim and load your map?

[dim sundial]

ya, cant find it there either, i wasnt using the sloops anywhere

[wicked nacelle]

oh like it's in a crate or something?

honestly, just SCIM yourself one then and if you eventually find it, then just SCIM it back out

[dim sundial]

i guess its in a create, however i really dont think i put them in one

[latent prawn]

try looking in the hub storage box

[viral light]

Do people usually host dedicated servers or just play via Steam?

[wicked nacelle]

You can set your inventory to anything you want in SCIM, so you just give yourself however many you lost

[wicked nacelle]

yes

[viral light]

Which one?

[wicked nacelle]

😄

[dim sundial]

buit once i start cheating i will just contiune to cheat

[viral light]

Wondering if it's worth running a public dedicated server, since there is no server list in-game?

A server browser where you could find public servers I mean

[wicked nacelle]

I'd say most people want ot play with a consistent group so it makes sense to find a few people vs lits it for everyone

[viral light]

So hosting a public server doesn't really make sense?

Not even sure how many people can play on a server tbh

[wicked nacelle]

Anything can make sense if it's what you want, but I don't see people clammoring for it

[wicked nacelle]

Usuaully it's 4 but I think you can change that in .ini file?

[haughty flax]

is there a "best" or "most common" location for a gigafactory? im in rocky desert right now but at the point where i should rebuild

[viral light]

What is the max tho?

[wicked nacelle]

The map is intentionally set up so there's no "goldilocks spot"

[sullen gull]

Not really. And also would just invite tolls who want to cause shenanigans imo. Probably the best bet would be to just use #1201555265942724758

[viral light]

We do game hosting, not sure if adding support for Satisfactory servers would make much sense, since most people play via Steam I guess?

[wicked nacelle]

there's plenty of 3rd party satisfactory server hosting sites that people use

IB was recently mentioned

[sullen gull]

I mean, there are others who do rent out space for it. Indifferent Broccoli is one that I have used in the past

I know there are others, just not sure of their names.

[dense violet]

only if you want to create a griefer simulator 2025 game

[dim sundial]

mega factories i would tend to put closer to the middle

[wicked nacelle]

trains/drones make it not matter where you put stuff.

[viral light]

Well, my point is, do people use dedicated servers often? I would have to setup the server image, test it etc. and not sure if it's worth the time or people just use Steam for multiplayer 🤷‍♂️

[dense violet]

do you want the game running while host is away?
if yes? server
if no? why bother

[sullen gull]

If you were to offer a decent service, I am sure people would sign up

[wicked nacelle]

yes. plenty do. but it's just not open for general use. but if you want it to work when anyone wants to play then you either run it locally or on a third party hosting site

[viral light]

I am the 3rd party hosting site in this case, not sure if it's worth adding to supported games list tho

[wicked nacelle]

and the game has an option where it doesn't simulate when no players are connected, so you can choose to not get "freebies" over time.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, I know. You'll have to do your market research like you would for any other game. but this game isn't different than any other 4-8 player co-op game

[sullen gull]

He doesn't even play ... so 🤷‍♂️

[dim sundial]

still make a huge difference in logistics

[wicked nacelle]

You always have to ship either oil-stuff or aluminum-stuff

you can be on the mid-west coast for some of both but you'll run out quick

[onyx fern]

Do you guys ever feel like you're using resources wrong? Semi related to the aluminum stuff.

I worry about building something in the best possible place for like an hour, and then when I finally find what I think is a good place, I start worrying about how many other things I could be using these resources for, and if I really need to dedicate them for what I'm making.

Or when I try and plan out a route for trains, which I'm attempting to do right now, I worry if what I'm doing actually makes sense and will help me, or freak out about all the ore nodes I'm passing on the way, wondering if I should be doing something different to use them.

Do you guys have these problems? I know it's just overthinking, but how do I stop doing this?

[stark solar]

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good

That's one thing we say often as software engineers

[dense violet]

that just sounds like general anxiety

[sullen gull]

A lot of people practice "Independency"

!wikisearch independency

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[dense violet]

or does things like that happen in this game? nowhere in your life?

[stark solar]

The best way to get out of the trap of perfectionism is to realise that wasting time on perfectionistic worries will make you less effective at using your time, and keep you from being happy.

[sullen gull]

Also, just ignore Colbalt. He apparently gets off on being rude.

[onyx fern]

I know about independency, it's what I've been striving to do with my playthrough. I find a good spot to make a factory dedicated to one or two things, and then just build it there. I try to make every part I might need on site.

[agile grotto]

Suggestions for “next” factory location? Tier 7+8 parts. Lots of bauxite, copper, nitrogen, and water.

Blue crater and rocky desert taken already

[leaden ether]

Independency only works for the lower/mid tier items though. If you build an "independent" factory to make warp drives you have in fact made a mega factory making nearly every other item n the game. So at some point logistics are a no brainer.

[onyx fern]

Oh it happens in my life a fair bit lmao, but it's especially noticable in the game

[sullen gull]

Otherwise, I would say yes, it's a common "thought process" many seem to go through.

[stark solar]

The blue crater can do almost everything you need for the space elevator. You just need to ship in some aluminium

[dense violet]

that really sounds like anxiety :\ and that's a whole kettle of fish right there

[stark solar]

It helps, if you're obsessed with productivity, to realise that excessive pursuit of productivity can make you less productive; the obsession can sort of short-circuit itself, to some extent, with that realisation.

[onyx fern]

I've been using the Blue Crater for Steel atm, since I've put my major power plants on the West Coast area. Maybe I should restructure a bit lol

[agile grotto]

Sorry blue crater and rocky coast already taken. Incomplete post

[stark solar]

Chaos: Oh, it's fine for steel, but it has so many resources around that you could use it for a lot more than just that.

[dense violet]

just keep moving forward. You'll burn yourself out

[stark solar]

Another good spot is the Dune Desert, although I usually start there and have my main (not space elevator) base in that area.

Dune Desert, like the Blue Crater, will need aluminium shipped in.

[viral light]

Sounds like ADHD 😂

[onyx fern]

This game is making me do a lot more introspection than I would've liked lmfao

[stark solar]

ADHD 2nd Edition is probably the best version; THAC0 against your anxieties.

[agile grotto]

Was kinda leaning dune desert

[dense violet]

there's a difference between worrying about consequences and doing the 'what if what if or I could do this instead' type of thing

[onyx fern]

It's really easy to say this and attempt to do it, but then I get in game and have to start building and get pissed off again lmao. Thank you though, I understand that this is kind of the best advice, it's just really hard to follow

[stark solar]

Chaos: Logistics games are good at training us out of bad mental habits.

[dense violet]

oh I totally understand. Anxiety is a bitch and exhausting.

[fathom shuttle]

Meh it’s a whatever

[stark solar]

Gladds2809: Yeah, there are so many pure nodes there, and the closest oil source is actually a fantastic location.

[onyx fern]

Seems like I need to play a lot more of this game then, since so far it's just worsening it lol

[fathom shuttle]

I did my best, so it’s okay to extend a belt across the entire biome because I’m too lazy to build a rail line for this single node

[viral light]

Idk, I got adhd and had similar issues in other games. I usually rebuild stuff 10 times and then still wonder if I could do it more efficient 😄

[stark solar]

There's nothing wrong with wondering, just don't let it make you miserable

[onyx fern]

Nah see I hate doing this. I want everything to be somewhat clean and organized, even if I know it'll never be perfect. Hell, I've considered using Tractors to move shit like 100 meters when a belt would've worked fine, just because it felt a little better.

[half scaffold]

Is there a way to change the camera from first person to make building easier?

[sullen gull]

I tend to do the same though. Usually because I am learning new "tricks" that I didn't know in the beginning.

[viral light]

But the objectives in Satisfactory really help with that, just focus on finishing objectives and ignore the "what if"

[sullen gull]

Not during building.

[fathom shuttle]

You need to stop caring ngl

[dense violet]

that's getting new ideas. I know that issue very well 😛

and I notice anxiety very well as my parter knows that issue very well

[onyx fern]

This works until the game starts making you set up infrastructure, like Tier 7 and 8

[viral light]

I do full-stack for example and usually "waste" most of my time on useless stuff and finish backend right before my deadlines 😂

[fathom shuttle]

Not really, the game only really makes expand for oil and aluminum

And a couple of nodes of them are sufficient for finishing the objectives

[onyx fern]

Also this is good advice, but I can't get over the hurdle of 'solving a small problem now prevents solving a big problem later', and so I get hung up on the small problem, incidentally turning it into the big problem later, before the big problem is even a thing.

[fathom shuttle]

Compared to what I need to finish the game, I’m actually overbuilding by 10-20x lol

[fallen moss]

Okay chat another silly question, why can I sometimes choose my exit in the hyperloop and sometimes not?

Are they just janky?

[stark solar]

Chaos: In moderation that's not bad. If you experience the consequences of it getting excessive for long enough you'll adapt.

[fathom shuttle]

Timing is a bit janky

Make the tube longer to give yourself more time

[fallen moss]

No like

[onyx fern]

Oh I do adapt. It's called uninstalling the game lol. I don't want to, but that's what happened last time

[fallen moss]

Sometimes it gives me the option to change miles away, other times it doesn't even appear at all on the exact same line

[stark solar]

Chaos: Yes, but you can't do that to everything in life.

[onyx fern]

Agreed, and where it's important in life, I make a choice and go with it, because the issues are far more pressing than the funny logistics game. Oddly, it's easier to rationalize decisions and avoid this issue irl than it is in satisfactory. Maybe I'm just dumb idk

[stark solar]

Nah, none of this is about being smart or dumb. It's just a mental habit that's not easy to break if you're caught in it.

[dense violet]

possibly fewer possible variations? open world is a billion options

[onyx fern]

Fingers crossed the game can help get me out of it lol

[onyx fern]

Maybe, this makes a fair bit of sense tbh

[dense violet]

smush parts you're already making together for hte next tiers

unlock everything

make your own goald and projects afterwards

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll build my nuclear pasta set up before the nuclear power plant

[sullen gull]

Truthfully though, The game won't help. You have to make the strides yourself.

[fathom shuttle]

Should yield me like 15-20k nuclear pasta in the time I’m working on the plant lol

[onyx fern]

Like I said, largescale, this isn't really an issue irl. Smallscale stuff though, like what to eat or where to get coal from, it is

[fathom shuttle]

Unless… I rush to phase 5 and get Mk6 belts then I’d have 24k pasta at least

[dense violet]

it'll probably be much less of an issue when doing your own projects

you can start from an end point and not have to worry about it as much

[fathom shuttle]

Or just a cool 13b points in the awesome sink

[onyx fern]

This is probably true, hoping for it anyway lol. Right now it's just kind of, what resources do I have readily available, and how much can I make with them.

Thanks for the advice. I'm not sure how much it helps, but I appreciate it anyway!

On a completely unrelated note, has Coffee Stain ever said they weren't going to add traffic signals? They could work pretty similar to how blocks and signals for trains work, and it might eliminate a considerable amount of the issues with trucks and tractors.

[trim vine]

But trucks and tractors arent limited to tracks

[sullen gull]

that would probably mean they would need to add "roads". The signals work by blocking the rails. Currently there is no such system for wheeled vehicles.

[gritty sleet]

Did they change train sounds somehow, or am I imagining things?

[fathom shuttle]

The AI would crash the game or make it very hard to run

[trim vine]

The simple answer is dont use trucks or tractors 🙂

[fathom shuttle]

I’ve never used them lol

I’ll try it just once though since I need to transport like 120 plates for nitric acid

[sullen gull]

Or, you know, keep em in their own lane 😏

[trim vine]

They can work, they do work as intended, but its such a hassel

[fathom shuttle]

The main problem with trucks is that you need to drive each road you wanna take

So you basically need to spent as much time as you put in building the road into actually using the road for trucks

And it ends up being very inefficient from a time POV

[wicked nacelle]

and you'll get trains soon enough, so just wait for the good option

[sullen gull]

I've never personally considered that. But, I also like driving the natural roads anyhow.. 🤷‍♂️

[onyx fern]

I guess you have a point, since roads can be anything players determine to be a road.

My idea was that traffic lights could be placed and linked to others to work on a specific clock. Vehicles could detect that they are currently 'in LOS' with a traffic light, and will then listen to what that light says to do.

Traffic lights will talk to each other, and perhaps work in a 'group' like the priority light switch. Traffic lights deemed to be in a 'group' can either be on or off, meaning after a set amount of seconds (either by the player or by the game) they will switch to the opposite of their current state, which is set by the player when placing it.

This seems like a somewhat simple (though I'd imagine there's something I'm not thinking of) way they could implement functional intersections, at the very least.

[trim vine]

talk to @swift kernel

[fathom shuttle]

How do you keep track of the road you’re taking tho?

[trim vine]

they got great "roads"

[fathom shuttle]

I’m genuinely curious because the nitrogen field I want to send the plates to does have a road connection.

[sullen gull]

I have driven them so many times, I just kind of already know where I'm going I gues.

[fathom shuttle]

Do the hiccups get recorded in the path? Like if I stop to decide where I wanna go

[sullen gull]

I have spent waaaay too much time just exploring lol

[onyx fern]

Truck's paths are drawn the exact same way they are now, and lights have a cone in front of them, a 'field of view' that describes what vehicles will listen to them.

When a truck is moving down a road that you've drawn and it encounters a traffic light, it will stop if the light is red, and wait for the light to tell it to go, or it will just continue if the light is green.

[sullen gull]

They do, but you can "tailor" the route by deleting pauses and such.

[onyx fern]

Oop, nevermind lol! Thought you were asking me. Ignore that lmao

[onyx fern]

Who's this?

[trim vine]

Someone whos does roads very well

[sullen gull]

They like to use a lot of vehicles.

[slate meteor]

is it possible to move a vehicle node?

[trim vine]

And they do it very efficiently

[trim vine]

?

[sullen gull]

Not that I am aware. Only delete

[slate meteor]

thats annoying, thank you

[onyx fern]

Ah, should've figured lol

[trim vine]

a vehicle node?

[sullen gull]

The "arrows"

That are created when making a route I assume anyhow.

[trim vine]

See, aint never even built one

[onyx fern]

Anyway, I was curious to see if Coffee Stain has ever said anything about not implementing guides for trucks and tractors, since it doesn't seem too difficult to design. Though admittedly, it might not be too practical.

[dense violet]

no. they generally never say somethign is going ot be in the game until like 2 weeks from then

[feral jay]

I'd rather they just completely do away with the whole node system and give them proper road-based pathfinding

[sullen gull]

If I recall correctly, there was mention of addiing roads, but decided not to as it wasn't high on the priority and it didn't work as well as they wanted.

[feral jay]

I can dream...

[trim vine]

-stares in trains and drones-

[ivory condor]

they couldn't even put in the crab boss because of pathfinding so i doubt it

[onyx fern]

Fair enough. Though I still don't think they need to add roads, just some system for controlling traffic. It could open a lot of opportunities.

[slate meteor]

i would love this

[onyx fern]

Interesting. I just know they've said they're never going to add stuff like renewable energy, which makes sense.

[feral jay]

I don't use trucks, I hate the pathing system and find it a horrible kludge. Trains and belts and drones for me.

[trim vine]

-stares in refined power-

[onyx fern]

Alright yeah, but refined power is a mod, not official

[trim vine]

True, but it does work flawlessly

[feral jay]

It's a mod. It works until it doesn't...

Definitely one of the better mods though

[trim vine]

No, it always works, and then the game updates and it takes a week to get fixed, but it always works

[onyx fern]

So I've heard, but I thought they weren't going to add it because it's cheap to just get free power. I feel like the Alien Augmenter is okay since it's a tough item to get, and doesn't really do too much.

[dense violet]

well saying we aren't going to do a thing is pretty easy to be definite about. They don't like promising things in the future though

[trim vine]

its incredibly unbalanced is why

[onyx fern]

Exactly, that's why I wanted to know if they ever said they weren't going to do something similar to what I described. Because if they didn't, then it's something to be interested in.

[feral jay]

THey've been pretty clear that solar power is a definite no

[dense violet]

ah fair, I don't think car signals has ever even been mentioned

[onyx fern]

Got it, thank you

[ivory condor]

I wonder how foundry will balance solar power, because right now its very op

[feral jay]

heh I forgot a automated and DD'ed liquid biofuel. Aftrer running the jetpack for a while on regular fuel, this feels like cheating now.

[swift kernel]

It's me

[sullen gull]

If you have unlocked it, and have a few coupons to spare, should try some Ionized 😏

[feral jay]

I'll get there, it'll be a while yet

I want alarms on the belt counters now

[swift kernel]

I could be wrong, but I feel like I remember them being slightly adjustable before the vehicle rework

But yeah, now they can only be deleted

[sullen gull]

I wasn't around then. Though from current expierence, you can only delete now.

[fathom shuttle]

Building my recycled plant and wishing I had Mk6 belts because all the numbers line up just right for them

[feral jay]

Lat I toyed with vehicles (so 1.0), you could only delete them

[swift kernel]

Ultimately, traffic lights are completely unnecessary for trucks.

[sullen gull]

Lol, yeah, I feel that. I went ahead and rushed into P4 finally in this save so I could have them lol.

[swift kernel]

Trucks only fuck up now if you're nearby enough for them to have physics. And even then, they're always automatically corrected.

While occasionally physics collisions while you're nearby might cause a truck to skip a stop, unless you're really pushing your fuel limits, you shouldn't be having a problem missing a stop or two every once in a while

Basically, trucks only feel bad when you're looking at them.

[sullen gull]

You have any vids of your 'aesthetically pleasing' setup? 😏

[swift kernel]

So forget about looking at them and pay attention to the actual truck stops

[swift kernel]

No, but maybe I should at some point. Everyone references me in the server when we're talking about truck stops, so it might be worth it

[feral jay]

Man why can't I just put a doggo in my dimensional pocket?

[sullen gull]

Yeah, You for vehicles, and @trim vine for trains are my 'go-tos' 😏

[feral jay]

So far to walk the new ones back

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll just do 600 belts for everything just so that if I feel the need to upgrade in the future I just merge 2 lines to get full Mk6 speed

But once I’m done with this I’ll never come back probably

[hollow vector]

#screenshots message guess who also despises you for throwing me into funny tubes with copper!

@timber shoal

[timber shoal]

well you're kinda useless in your base state, so...

[sullen gull]

You mean 780 belts? 😏

[hollow vector]

and?

you wanna know what else is useless?

[sullen gull]

Well, unless using balancers of course.

[hollow vector]

turning a perfectly fine exoplanet into a industrial factory

[sullen gull]

But ... But .. the puppies... and the kittehs!

[feral jay]

Fuck 'em, and the doggos they rode in on.

[hollow vector]

the lizard doggos

[feral jay]

heh I'm walking #5 back to my doggo ranch as we speak

[fathom shuttle]

I forgor the step after the resin recycling in a recycler set up

Uh

[hollow vector]

use this on the ranch

[feral jay]

Their pathfinding sure is worse in 1.1

[sullen gull]

Heh, I never thought it was great to begin with

[feral jay]

Seriously, this dumbass is stuck on a nut bush #screenshots message

[fathom shuttle]

It’s time to spam refineries until I figure out what I’m doing lol

[hollow vector]

he was always a dumbass to begin with

[sullen gull]

Derpy for sure lol

[hollow vector]

if they are not dumbasses how come i can kill them with ease

[sullen gull]

Hrm, maybe because deep down you're mean and hateful? Maybe a cry for help? But, on that note, almost everything in the game can be killed with 'ease' provided you use the right weapon. 🤷‍♂️

[hollow vector]

xeno zapper

[feral jay]

I don't kill them, I farm them

I just hate them for their incompetence and stupidity

[hollow vector]

i honestly wish they still gave nuclear waste

as a punishment for those who dont kill them

[feral jay]

They've given me a few unlocks on this save

[prisma forge]

I wanna build a huge rocket fuel powerplant that will use all of the oil in the spiral coast

[feral jay]

Nobody will stop you

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/doja-cat-star-wars-gif-25078126

[prisma forge]

According to the modeller, it will take over 300 generators

[fathom shuttle]

That’s pretty small

[sullen gull]

I think @trim vine just did one with 700+ iirc?

[willow glen]

that few for all of the oil? I’m only usining a few nodes and need 260 fully overclocked gens

[prisma forge]

That's what she said 😞

[prisma forge]

Idk man, that's what the modeller gave me

[trim vine]

I am making 8k rocket fuel

Have fun

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159698005235093555/1255186397711826994/togif.gif

[sullen gull]

How much Oil?

[trim vine]

2550

[willow glen]

how much rocket fuel are you making with it? My plant does 2526/min, input is only 1042 oil, there’s still 5 nodes I haven’t touched, two pure

[prisma forge]

I thin 1380 oil

[willow glen]

That’s only half the spire coast? Or a bit more than half

[trim vine]

if you get all the oil in the northern coast, its around 4k my guy xD

[willow glen]

There’s also 3 nodes technically in the canyon I roll into spire coast

[prisma forge]

2 pure, 4 normal and 7 impure

[prisma forge]

None are overclocked

[feral jay]

Is there a mod to grow beryl nut trees back if you cut them down?

[willow glen]

I haven’t thought of NOT overclocking a miner in a long time, my mistake there

[feral jay]

I have the gardener's toolkit installed but I don't think it regrows nut trees

[trim vine]

respectfully, thats stupid

Why wouldnt you overclock extractors?

[hollow vector]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159698005235093555/1255186397711826994/togif.gif

this dumbfuck said so

[prisma forge]

Because then I wouldn't have enough sulfur and coal in the vicinity to attain that?

[fathom shuttle]

Just imagine not doing the single most efficient way of acquiring resources in the entire game lol

[fathom shuttle]

Then use less overclocked nodes

[trim vine]

Then use less nodes, overclocked, and use the oil for something else

[prisma forge]

The sulfur nodes I plan on using are already overclocked

[trim vine]

you can overclock more than one thing

[fathom shuttle]

2 pure nodes are around 200GW of power already

[fathom shuttle]

You know you can overclock the oil extractors too right

[prisma forge]

Yes but that's not the point

[sullen gull]

Oc'd there is 3450 oil "near/around" spire coast.

[prisma forge]

In the scenario I planned, the sulfur is already overclocked

Also I didn't even plan on how I'll take the oil there

I gotta do the calculations

[trim vine]

Ok, since this is going in circles

Lemme try it this way, instead of using 86 fucking nodes of 100% oil, you need 2 pure nodes and a single impure node overclocked to 250%

That will net you your 1350 oil

and if you're 30 short, get another impure node, or just say no to impure and get a normal node

[hollow vector]

what if your shortlinus.com
and cannot get and higher than 30 short

[trim vine]

-_-

[fathom shuttle]

While everyone here is fighting I’ve been productively spagettifying my perfect plastic factory

[sullen gull]

Yeah, working on the same actually lol. From 1200 oil 😒

[fathom shuttle]

1800

[sullen gull]

Sooooo much to do lol

[fathom shuttle]

And I’ll probably need to expand it more because I’m already out of rubber 💀

[quiet gust]

i would think you can do that in satisfactory calculator

[sullen gull]

Nice, Ambitious lol

[feral jay]

There is no fighting, only the acquiescence to knowing that @feral jay is correct in all matters.

[fathom shuttle]

Oh and I don’t have space to expand, already ran out of space for logistics

[quiet gust]

how much

and im assuming recycled

[sullen gull]

Build ⬆️

[feral jay]

You guys never let me have fun

[fathom shuttle]

The things that’s confusing me the most right now is how am I gonna split 150 rubber to feed back into the plastic production line since I’m lost rn

[fathom shuttle]

2700 2700

[quiet gust]

rubber and plastic?

[trim vine]

you doing a recycled?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea recycled rubber and plastic

[trim vine]

I just finished a 4200 oil recycled plant, it was fun

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll probably switch it to 2800 rubber and 2600 plastic since the numbers are easier this way

[quiet gust]

?

[feral jay]

There we go, brought back doggo #5 to the ranch. I have creatively named her "Foxtrot Doggo", after a long line of phoenetic alphabet doggos

[sullen gull]

The fact that you're doing that all without mk6 belts though 🤯

[fathom shuttle]

Never mind

[quiet gust]

i m that s only 8 belts

[quiet gust]

no i just mean why

[sullen gull]

That's a generous name, given the trouble it gave you lol

[fathom shuttle]

I’ll stick to 2700 each, because I’ll get decimal if I do 2800/2600

[fathom shuttle]

I need a lot of plastic and rubber for electronics

[feral jay]

You're right. She needs a better name. I shall name her "DumbassNutFucker"

[fathom shuttle]

Not only that, I’m going to limit the belt speed to 600 since it works nicely with my blueprints lol

[quiet gust]

are you individually making every machine or using a mega blueprint

[fathom shuttle]

4 refinery blueprints

[quiet gust]

no i mean whychange to the weird numbers

[sullen gull]

How though? balancer?

[fathom shuttle]

I made them myself so they’re uh, suboptimal to say the least

[fathom shuttle]

No, 4 250% refineries make 600 rubber/plastic

[sullen gull]

Ahhh, ok, fair.

[quiet gust]

oh m ypowershards

[fathom shuttle]

I’m not touching balancers with a 10 meter pole in a set up this complex

[sullen gull]

Overclock ALLL the things!!! Muwha! 😏

[quiet gust]

i made a 19 t0 16 overflow bvalancer with just a tiny bit of clipping( it fits in a blueprint)

(a lot of clipping)

[sullen gull]

Besides, with slooped constructors, shards pile rather quickly.. provided one does the exploration to gather them

[fathom shuttle]

I thought they worked better but nope when I checked logistics it was worse

[quiet gust]

ah

[fathom shuttle]

I have 1k of them I think

Probably down to like 600-800 tho

[quiet gust]

i make like .66 powershards per minute

i wasted all of my quartz

[leaden ether]

If you find every single slug, the slooped total is 5200+ But I thing finding like 80-90% of them is doing pretty good.

[sullen gull]

I am finally at the point where I can do syn shards now, now, but it's a bit odd seeing the map mostly devoid of slugs 😏

[feral jay]

Has anyone ever wanted for more pwer shards?

[sullen gull]

Yes

[feral jay]

Wella t least, even before automating them?

[sullen gull]

yes

[feral jay]

I ceratinaly haven't I just build more machines

[quiet gust]

i only use them for extractors and my final project, so not really

[feral jay]

Yes that, I only really use them for raw resources

[sullen gull]

I overclock everything as I like having the least amount of machines necessary.

[fathom shuttle]

I’m using them liberally right now but I’m kind of regretting it

[quiet gust]

i do have 4 almost fully overclocked slooped particle accelerators though

[fathom shuttle]

The entire set will be like 15-18GW, and that’s half my grid lol

[feral jay]

At this point the only thing I've even slooped is my biofuel plant, and that's just because I hoard biofuel

[quiet gust]

i twould heavily recomend usinng a fully slooped overclocked reanimated same ore thing at every sam node

[feral jay]

Well, there's a single constructor back at base that I use to make shards and protien, that's slooped

[quiet gust]

it costs 32 max sloops and fixing sam, which is the most limited reasource

[prisma forge]

Alright, listen here buddy.
I may be stupid.

[feral jay]

That's what SHE said!

[trim vine]

Stupid makes no excuses for efficiency, Pioneer.

But more likely its that you just got it in your head you gotta do it some kind of way and wasnt thinking about options

[leaden ether]

Yeah at the level I'm doing things now there's like a minimum of a couple hundred per factory. And it could EASILY get to 500 but I'm still being choosey about what to boost and what not to. I don't want to run out before I get to the point to be able to make them.

[feral jay]

That's right, you gotta do it one specific kind of way, and that's my way

[fathom shuttle]

For all the SAM in the world?

[quiet gust]

yup

[fathom shuttle]

That’s like 2500 of reanimated tho

Can’t think of anything that requires that much

[quiet gust]

reanimated goes super quickly

[trim vine]

reanimate more

[fathom shuttle]

Ohh right you can make resources with it

[trim vine]

hence the "RE" prefix

[quiet gust]

though i make really big factories

but for examole if you want to make a maxxed out nucler plant, you need sloops

[fathom shuttle]

Its 34 constructors

[quiet gust]

otherwise it wants 14k sam ore and there is only 10.6 k on the map

[quiet gust]

ah, mb

[fathom shuttle]

For 4500 reanimated Sam

I’m planning to make 300 ficsit ingots and that’s way beyond what I’ll need lol

[quiet gust]

i made 550 for my space elavator factory

[fathom shuttle]

Oh well for ficsonium that’s a lot of trigons needed

[reef forge]

i love how 20 crystal oscillators use 480 quartz worth of quartz crystals

[quiet gust]

Im in pain/ Im trying to plan out a new save that uses every single alternate recipe

it uses like 900 ficsite ingots

[fathom shuttle]

Oh shit I need 1.33 of 250% refineries

[sullen gull]

IMo, just round to 2 and even the clocks.

[fathom shuttle]

Actually it’s 1.333

[sullen gull]

The take the total output, divide by two, and there ya go

[fathom shuttle]

It’s 3 refineries of 222% overclock if I want to play it nicely

No wait

It’s 111%

Round down 0.25 in total

My brain is going into meltdown mode rn

[sullen gull]

If you're manifolding everything, there's nothing wrong with having a decimal or 3

[fiery river]

theres radioactive hogs?

[peak wasp]

So question for you guys

[sullen gull]

Yep

[peak wasp]

is sinking excess fuel a good idea?

#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Burn it.

[fiery river]

i just found one

[feral jay]

And Johnny

[sullen gull]

Yeah, there are a few

[sullen gull]

Is johnny the one with the jetpack?

[peak wasp]

burn it? there is no way I'd be able to burn this fuel

[feral jay]

Yep Johnny Jetpack

[fiery river]

whos johnny

[sullen gull]

Oh, sorry just checked the ss, keep it, for the jetpack