satisfactory

[thin pilot]

its this + a full time job lol

just got onto phase 3

so theres much to be done

[plain quest]

I've probably spent 10 hours this last week just creating nice factories and removing my old spaghetti stuff

[thin pilot]

im at the point where I want nice factories

my basic iron stuff is just a tower

my oil power plant/plastic/rubber

will be propperly designed

[plain quest]

yeah I waited until I was at phase 3 to bother making nice things rather than just plopping stuff on the ground to the point where if you don't remember where stuff is it's very hard to find and is a mess everywhere

[thin pilot]

ive got everything going into dimensional storages so its not to bad

but im trying to get a mental plan of my oil factory

Because im doing oil -> fuel and using the polymer stuff and belting that to a seperate factory ideally very close try to hide them and have them lifted up through the floor and split into conveyers

for plastic/rubber

and I think im gonna go for a warehouse design for it

with like a walk way inbetween with a roof and have them moved through the roof or a hollow flooring

[loud leaf]

how much turbofuel per minute for max overclocked fuel gen?

[viral tendon]

Finally, cooling system production is done

[mental ether]

anyone can get ada to reply when typing "hello ada"?

[viral tendon]

Can you

[fluid sapphire]

7.5*250%, so 18.75

[mental ether]

used to atleast

[loud leaf]

thx

[half scaffold]

Only 10? Pretty sure I spent that on ONE factory. I'm sure I spent like 50hrs making my oil generator power plant.

[plain quest]

I meant to say 10+

could be 20+

and I still have a lot more work to do

sounds like yours are very detailed, mine are somewhat basic so it doesn't take that long

[half scaffold]

I thought about running all the belts under the floor.
I ended up having a "basement" where I kept the spaghetti of belts/pipes and up top it's all nice and neat. All inputs/outputs go through the floor.

Looks very neat and tidy

[plain quest]

yeah I settled on a design where inputs are in the subfloor and outputs come from the roof

[daring abyss]

lizard doggo make brain go BRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[untold ember]

its so frustating when the a block/path signal REFUSES to flip sides of the track with mouse wheel. no matter what i do it wont go on the opposite side

[thin pilot]

yea I might do it with pipes but then its just gonna look abit ridiculous if its like 6m high

[half scaffold]

Yeah, I struggle with building. I'm SO SLOW. I have no idea how these guys in the video just fly through the builds, even if it is a build mode and not real game.

[thin pilot]

wdym build mode?

[willow dawn]

I am struggeling getting my new coal power plant to work properly. I expanded with another 8 coal generators and made everything pretty much identical to the one I had before but it seem some in the middle just aren't getting enough water. The flow rate keps going up and down. Does anybody have an idea why this is happening? My other set of 8 is doing just gine

[leaden ether]

Sandbox mode I'm guessing. "no cost" option.

[thin pilot]

how many water extractors do you have per 8 gns

[half scaffold]

Yes thank you, I was blanking on the word "Sandbox"

[willow dawn]

3 just like with the other one

[thin pilot]

ive got 3 extractors PER 8 coal

[willow dawn]

And it's all level

[thin pilot]

ill show you mine

[willow dawn]

Same

[swift pebble]

Did they patch out being able to hyperlaunch yourself with jump pads

[willow dawn]

Sorry I meant 3 for just does new 8

[half scaffold]

Are you making sure the pipes and things are primed before turning them on?
I made sure I had my extractors running before I connected the coal burners

[swift pebble]

nvm no they did not lmao

[willow dawn]

Hmmm the coal was primed but my water wasn't

[thin pilot]

you wanna power the extractors

first is what I did then the coal

idk if that makes a difference but its how I DID IT

caps

[willow dawn]

Ok let me try and find where I connected the power to these lol, it's getting hard to get around with all the pipes

[thin pilot]

I sent you mine in screenshots

[rain gull]

If you think your factory is bad mine looks like conveyor belt limbo

[thin pilot]

I can show you my automated wiring one its diabolical

I got told its organised spagetti by a friend lmao

[rain gull]

I didn’t automate that just put the materials into storage containers

Cuz I prob don’t need it after phase 2 right

[thin pilot]

half mine goes to a sink

well all of it

[slim jackal]

Mine is a roughly 150m tall tower

[thin pilot]

it fills a storage then gets sinked

[rain gull]

Mine is let’s game it outs base but 25% more organized and 100% on the ground

Like I literal t know which storage container is which

[slim jackal]

Jesus

[willow dawn]

I like your set up

[rain gull]

This is what happens when you get the game and don’t know what to do imma
move bases when I’m not too lazy to say this is fine

[willow dawn]

I can't believe it... turning them off and on again did the trick it seems

[sharp sentinel]

I have sooo many drones going right now. I love it.

[loud leaf]

i just finished space elevator phase 3 and im wondering if nuclear reactors are worth it or if i should use turbofuel fuel generators

[thin pilot]

ty my friend insisted it had to be perfectly symetrical

so if you split it down the middle it is symetrical

[sharp sentinel]

Time to finally, after 95 hours, build a factory that just makes radio control units.

because I have actually been handcrafting those this entire time.

Oh, and crystal oscillators. I haven't been handcrafting those, but dang near.

Hoverpack is so fun until I'm trying to really get around and keep accidentally stopping myself mid-jump to hover aimlessly.

[wet dock]

how can i make conveyors going into assemblers look clean?

[half scaffold]

I like to set up to craft a ton of stuff and then watch a TV show while it runs 😛

[shy mulch]

in what way do yours not look "clean", it's kinda subjective

most people tend to be happy to just put stuff on foundations

[wet dock]

i meant like its not all over the place

[thin pilot]

whats a good way to get solid biofuel for lquid for jetpack fuel

[slim jackal]

personally id just use regular packaged fuel

[half scaffold]

I set up a couple bioburners next to the extractors JUST to power them to get them going. I didn't connect the coal grid to them until they were running stable for a couple minutes.

[half scaffold]

Is it better than packaged fuel?

[thin pilot]

its got 5x the burn time

[willow dawn]

Didn't really have a lot of space left for that 😛

[thin pilot]

its second best to packaged ionized fuel

its 53 normal is 17

so not 5x mb

[vestal mica]

there's no "good" way. just go chainsaw some stuff. if you sloop the steps, one chainsaw run can make so many stacks of liquid biofuel it will be a LONG while before you run out

even if you're a jetpack enthusiast

[thin pilot]

@half scaffold for you coal on the first screen shot

id recommend for clean ness to use lifts

and ahve straight conveyers going into them

[sharp sentinel]

I'm waiting until I get plutonium stuff before I build my first nuclear power plant. Am I being too cautious?

[leaden ether]

It's more like do you want to deal with storing nuclear waste or not. For me it was "definitely not" so yeah I waited till I had the particle accellerators before even thinking about it.

[half scaffold]

Yeah that's all getting cleaned up this week. I'll be sending in Ingots instead of ore too and using the alt recipe

[wet dock]

@half scaffold what is the purpose for the trash output?

[half scaffold]

Goes to the sink

[wet dock]

oh i see

[half scaffold]

I can connect the Concrete output to whatever, storage more processing, etc. If/When it backs up any extra concrete gets sinked so there isn't any real "waste"

[half scaffold]

There is ALWAYS space. Build some ugly "scafolding" so that you can put a couple 1m over the top of the extractors. Then you can remove the pieces you used to get there.

[alpine apex]

my hotkeys just stop working sometimes while in the game, and its not my keyboard because it still works on other things

[half scaffold]

OH... Stupid question. Can you hot key weapons and things? I am constantly getting my ass kicked trying to scroll through to the right weapon or inhaler, etc

[thin pilot]

I sent a screen showing how I do the connections when its a 2 way one

[willow dawn]

Well got it to work 🙂 Just needed to turn them off for a bit to get the water all the way up

Running like a dream now

[vestal mica]

not really. when you open your inventory, you can swap out the stuff that is big on the left as equippable with 1-9 but if you pick up like berries or whatever, the spot stuff is in on the left could change

[wet dock]

what are stators used for?

[left totem]

lots of things, why

[half scaffold]

I was just looking at that. 🙂

[wet dock]

are stators themselves used for building?

[left totem]

i dont recall so

[wet dock]

so i dont need a storage for them right?

[thin pilot]

I feel like it looks MUCH cleaner that way do it for all my asemblers

[half scaffold]

I can hot key all my building, but not weapons? Seems like a silly oversight

[left totem]

it's always useful to have a storage of them for like milestones and stuff but if you don't want to that's fine

[vestal mica]

well, if you could just hotkey all your weapons and stuff then you could easily get around the limit on how many things you can hold at once

[wet dock]

oh ok i see

[vestal mica]

although I think you should be able to hot key the hand slots themself so it switches to whatever is in them instead of using the scroll wheel

but as far as I know, you can't

[half scaffold]

I've found several crashed pods that need them. So I wouldn't trash them or anything like that.

I haven't done anything with those yet, so I have no idea.

Sounds like I need to make a slooped biofuel factory and then go chop down a mushroom forest

[wet dock]

this steel factory is going to be way too big 😭

#screenshots message

[left totem]

at some point

this will become small

[wet dock]

ik

[half scaffold]

Look at mine about 5 screenshots above yours. It's not that bad.

[wet dock]

that isnt close to what mine is going to be?

@half scaffold this one? #screenshots message

[half scaffold]

Yeah, just stack it a few times and it's close 😛

I'm actually about to add concrete to that one and clean it up

[untold ember]

good lord...train signaling is misery. i cant for the life of me figure out what the signaling issue is for this one stupid train

[half scaffold]

The only option is to scrap it all and start over from scratch!

[untold ember]

you bite your toungue..

[half scaffold]

🤣

I just realized I've only explored MAYBE 1/3 of the land!

Kind of hard to tell with so much still black

[fiery garden]

most likely two pieces of track that look connected are not connected. use the train signal in build mode to highlight tracks with colors and look for something weird.

[half scaffold]

Good call, I had similar issues with my pipes!

[fiery garden]

you can use a pump to do the same check on pipes 😉

[untold ember]

anything here look jank? the train went FROM this station all the way to the other happily..then wouldnt leave the other station cause of signaling issues

ah boo, cant post a snippy

[fiery garden]

i never put a signal on top of a junction. i've been told this isnt necessary any more but i would rather not risk it

[undone brook]

Got back into my Satisfactory phase

[untold ember]

i have a bi-directional line and its a left hand turn into the station so i set up a 2x path 2x block signaling setup

[fiery garden]

my stations always have at least a bit of track before the first signal at each end and every Y split on my tracks has at least a little but of track before any signal

[untold ember]

ya i spaced em out...sec ill tag u in screenshots

[fiery garden]

i dunno, that looks ok to me.

try driving the train a couple feet out the front of the station and set it's next stop at the same station, see if it can loop around

[untold ember]

ugh. stupid trains.

[fiery garden]

also please don't slap me but i have to suggest this too: try restarting the game

[untold ember]

like my client? or the server. its hosted dedicated

[fiery garden]

oh

restarting the client wouldnt fix it

[untold ember]

ya ive got like 6 players here hahah

[undone brook]

DAMNNN

[fiery garden]

you need to pinpoint exactly where the problem is and rebuild that part of the track. i dont play multiplayer so i can only guess that maybe the server and the client have a disagreement on what exactly has been built there

[undone brook]

Yeah it might be desynced

[fiery garden]

restarting the client might fix a sync issue

[wet dock]

#screenshots message is this a good factory or no? (i will fix the problems later)

[fiery garden]

for you, probably. for me, i dunno, probably not. it's only good if it's doing what you want/need it to do

[untold ember]

argh. aight ill start with client reset. i forgot i have loopin ability so when i tried to pull it outa the station then set it back to the station it had no problem doin the loop out and back around into it

[fiery garden]

so the problem is somewhere else. at least you know that part of the track is good

[untold ember]

all the sections between are good too. theres 3 other trains running the middle area in various parts

[fiery garden]

also make sure the signals are all pointing in the intended directions

[untold ember]

theres even one of them that passes THROUGH that junction at the other station that in the screeny. but its a thru-train. doesnt turn into station

[fiery garden]

is it using the station you want this station to be connected to?

[untold ember]

no. its passing thru the junction that turns off into the station. so the pathing signals MUST be fine in both directions

[fiery garden]

then maybe the problem is near the station you want to connect this one to. you can try the loop test there too. also the signal colors test

[untold ember]

can manually drive the whole route, so i no the track is fine.

[arctic swallow]

what seems to be the problem?

[fiery garden]

then its probably a signal issue

[willow dawn]

Is there a way to make the poison clouds more visible I usualy don't realize one is there until I start taking damage

[compact python]

is the station correctly oriented, happened to me once or twice

[wet dock]

how to get pipeline mk. 2?

[untold ember]

ohhhhh, i didnt build the station. another player did. never even thought of that>

[fiery garden]

space elevator

[arctic swallow]

progress further

[fiery garden]

pipe mk2 roughly around the time you get oil and fuel

[arctic swallow]

the station is wrogly oriented

[wet dock]

#screenshots message is this possible with mk. 1 pipes?

[arctic swallow]

yes

you just need more pipes

[wet dock]

ok

[fiery garden]

oh i see it. yes, youre right. the station is backwards

[untold ember]

ya it is...when that player logs on ima give him an earful haha

[arctic swallow]

and also you don't need that intersection to be that big

[frail sleet]

The only thing that's not is taking or giving over 300/min to a single machine.

you can for example put 1 pipe to each coal gen (120 in, 45 out). Or some smarter and more efficient designs such as splitting 3 pipes between 8 gens, or 1 pipe to 3x 88.88% gens

[fiery garden]

3 water extractors makes 360 water but you can still use mk1 pipe for 8 coal power generators: #screenshots message

#screenshots message

[sharp sentinel]

Fun remembering entire factories that do one purpose from early game I just flat forgot about.

[void belfry]

Hey so question for you guys

[fiery garden]

yes

[void belfry]

So I have 300 fuel...is it worth it sloop it and then sloop it again as it's being turned into turbo fuel

[sharp sentinel]

Added one more drone and now my game is randomly skipping. Mwahahaha!

[void belfry]

How many fuel generators can I power with a fully slugged and slooped turbo fuel generator setup

[fiery garden]

that's a lot of power consumption. will you be able to use all that fuel?

[fiery garden]

probably more than you're willing to spend the time building

[void belfry]

A lot of power consumption but it will definitely create much more power then used

[fiery garden]

you will need to do 250% OC on all the generators and it will still be a lot

[void belfry]

I am thinking it's above 26 fully OC'd fuel generators yes

[fiery garden]

so yes the power you create out of that will be crazy, but it will take a long time to build and you would probably be better off working towards nuclear power

if you sloop nuclear power generation, it will probably cost a lot less sloops too

[void belfry]

I mean not having to deal with nuclear waste is a thing

[fiery garden]

there is a path to recycle waste into something that can go in the sink

[sharp sentinel]

I might actually be overusing drones, but I cannot stop. Such an easy solution to everything.

[void belfry]

Yeah but its a complicated sink process

I think turbo fuel would be the less labor intensive option

[sharp sentinel]

Hm... There is a tiny like 100mw fluctuation on my 18kw power production line... I MUST FIND IT AND DESTROY IT.

[void belfry]

And I am building in the desert so no limits to space

[fiery garden]

you will want to build near water so you can use the diluted fuel recipes

300 oil goes very far

[void belfry]

I mean I am in the section of the desert near the northern forest spawn

[fiery garden]

in the canyon or at the north edge of the map?

[void belfry]

The place with two normal nodes and two unpure nodes

[low vigil]

are there any big satis servers around here

[void belfry]

The canyon is where my coal power is located but I am in northern forest personally

[fiery garden]

theres only 1 suplhur node nearby and it's impure

[void belfry]

I am aware yes

[fiery garden]

not sure if that's enough for 300 oil

[sharp sentinel]

For the very first time in my Satisfactory life, I actually have something setup to make crystal oscillators for me. Woot!

[void belfry]

It depends I would think, like impure node mark 2 miner 250%

Plus if I sloop the compact coal I should be fine.

I mean I don't mind spending sloops to make power

[fiery garden]

mk2 at 250% is 150/min

[void belfry]

That's always been my opinion

It's 5 per compact coal

[fiery garden]

#screenshots message

[void belfry]

Interesting

[fiery garden]

if you use diluted fuel it costs 225 crude

[void belfry]

Okay well I have 600 crude to work with I think

Impure nodes 100, and 200 on a normal yeah?

[fiery garden]

it doubles with each upgrade 75/150/300

double again from impure to normal

double again from normal to pure

[void belfry]

Interesting

Seems like you know the area I'm at yeah?

[fiery garden]

well yeah, you told me

[void belfry]

Well I didn't tell you much lol...you'd have to have map knowledge to know

[fiery garden]

i have a map

that's better than knowledge

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[void belfry]

You know what I like about this spawn...search for the aluminum metal

It's all to the north of me for the most part

[fiery garden]

if you want aluminum near your turbofuel, go southwest toward the red bamboo fields. it's dangerous there but you have oil at the bottom of the waterfall and aluminum and coal up the cliff near the bamboo where all the scary things live

[void belfry]

I can turn their corpses into compact coal

[fiery garden]

quartz and copper which you will need are also not too far

not to mention water for diluting fuel and making aluminum

[fathom shuttle]

I feel like not doing rocket fuel was a big miss for me lol

[undone yarrow]

Vertical splitters and mergers are very frustratin

[fiery garden]

yeah they're weird but once you figure them out they are actually pretty cool

if you try too hard to use them, they will just get in the way

[undone yarrow]

the way they snap and dont play nice with nudging...

[fiery garden]

and they are just a tiny bit too tall

[real epoch]

can anyone help me out with my fuel power plant?

[fiery garden]

maybe?

[distant bay]

sup Pioneers

the factory must grow!

[real epoch]

I think the main issue is that my refineries that are using the polymer resign arent getting enough water

[sharp sentinel]

How many drones is too many?

I am currently at six, about to go to eight.

[distant bay]

Yes

[fiery garden]

make sure there is no bottleneck from your pipes, make sure the mk2 pipes you built arent accidentally mk1 pipes

[leaden ether]

Between the RF power plant and now this, my entire life has become nothing but refineries and blenders. (1/2 of a rubber/plastic/fabric plant) #screenshots message

[real epoch]

ill check

[distant bay]

RF? (i haven't played since before 1.0 released)

[leaden ether]

Rocket fuel. Well in that case refineries and blenders galore but with a healthy addition of fuel generators too I guess.

[fiery garden]

i built a rubber an plastic factory there too but i had so much extra oil i got lazy and put a bunch of fuel generators in there too #screenshots message

[distant bay]

is it worth it to rush coal power asap?

[real epoch]

I checked every pipoe for the system and there are no mk1 pipes

[distant bay]

might be the extractors, or flow rate is 600

if the flow rate is 600, separate the systems into multiple

[void belfry]

So I am curious what if I make rocket fuel and sloop that too

[wet dock]

is it worth it to overclock water extractors?

[distant bay]

can you OC and sloop the same building?

[fiery garden]

i tend to put less fluid through pipes than they can handle to avoid causing bottlenecks where demand spikes, so 240 through mk1 and 540 through mk2. that strategy might help you

[fiery garden]

yes but the power consumption will be insane

[distant bay]

no; pipes have a max throughtput

[wet dock]

remember to use commas please

[distant bay]

all in the name of efficiency

[leaden ether]

The large size of the rubber/plastic plant was causing me a lot of anxiety yesterday as the machine to machine converge/split ratios were so untenable. Requiring massive power shard use to try to balance them (Or massive machine number overkill), then there problem with the extremely high outputs and belting issues. I finally changed the whole factory layout and perfected a smaller version using very few shards to balance it and am now basically making 16 of them to get my totals. (8 were shown in the picture)

This might be a somewhat obvious subdivide and conquer technique to the pros but am now learning how useful it is to reign in insanity with larger builds.

[wet dock]

i meant as in, i need 2,25 water extractors, should i overclock them to only need 2 or just use 3?

[fathom shuttle]

How big?

[distant bay]

underclock the 3rd

[fathom shuttle]

Always overclock to use less machines

[leaden ether]

2500 plastic and 3500 rubber and some amount of fabric, nothing huge though.

[wet dock]

ill rather underclock them all

[fathom shuttle]

I’m planning something similar, did you not use blueprints?

[wet dock]

ok

[fiery garden]

example of how even blueprints on a pretty small scale can massively simplify otherwise overwhelming numbers: #screenshots message

[fathom shuttle]

Having a blueprint for every machine is a life saver if you’re doing big projects

[leaden ether]

I did, you can actually see a blueprinter in the background with a three refinery BP in it :D THough I REALLLY needed to be able to have 6 refineries side by side. We sorely need a blueprinter Mk 4

[fathom shuttle]

Mk2 can fit 4 refineries

With blueprint auto connect it doesn’t really matter

[leaden ether]

Yeah but they were piped in groups of three and then I needed 6 for each mini factory. So I had to do them as 3's :/

[void belfry]

Because I can double the heavy oil biproduct from plastic....then double the diluted fuel...then double the turbo fuel then double the rocket fuel

[fiery garden]

i like spamming refineries. connecting them up is the annoying part lol

[leaden ether]

Oh the HOF refineries are a group of 5 but it wasn't till I started getting an RSI from installing them one by one that I went to the blueprinter for the rubber/plastic ones :D

[fiery garden]

specially with the recycling alts

[distant bay]

I like turning the setting on that turns the spiders into cats, because a moving png of a cat makes me chuckle (i'm not scared of them)

[fathom shuttle]

Refineries for the pure copper recipe lol

[leaden ether]

Heh yeah my first build that area was a combined power/plastic/rubber/RF (For drrones) plant :)

[distant bay]

fast drones

[leaden ether]

Yeah with the pure recipes and all the recycling recipies besides the normal refinery recipies, my last electronics factory was like 400 refineries and 300 everything else -.-

[mortal ginkgo]

holy

[fathom shuttle]

That’s why you need overclocking

[void belfry]

If I doubled the production from each step of rocket fuel it would cost 30 crude and leave you with

26,668MW

But if I set that to 250% it would power 106 fuel generators

Creating

66,250MW

[fiery garden]

1 nuclear power plant makes 2,500 MW at 100%

[void belfry]

Neat

#screenshots message

[fathom shuttle]

18.75/min supercomputers

Will need a lot of Caterium for this damn

Meh I’ll just do 10/min

[arctic swallow]

do 15 like me

[fathom shuttle]

Needs 5.6k/min quickwire for all the recipes bruh

[fathom shuttle]

Yea I decided on that anyway since neura quantum processors need that

Just belting all the resources over will be a nightmare lol

[loud ivy]

hey guys,does covering your factories with walls help the GPU?

[arctic swallow]

for 15/min you need about 2,2 k quickwire

[fathom shuttle]

Definitely

[arctic swallow]

which is 182/min caterium ingot

[fathom shuttle]

I had like 500 power storage buildings in one spot and everytime I panned the camera to it I get frame drops

[loud ivy]

well just found out why my game is running like crap

[fathom shuttle]

Covering it up helps a lot

[fathom shuttle]

I’m doing Caterium computers and Caterium circuit boards

[loud ivy]

i have like,these and 90 something gens

along with countless refineries

[fathom shuttle]

Huh that’s weird

What’s your hardware

[loud ivy]

GTX 960M and an i7-6800HQ
oofies!

[arctic swallow]

with all of my machinesi will need 9,4k qiuckwre/min

[loud ivy]

also walls definetely work,added a small wall and my fps doubled

[fathom shuttle]

Yea covering the factories is definitely needed

[loud ivy]

use copper alloy and copper quickwire

[arctic swallow]

well yeah

[carmine musk]

how do i get rid of the uranium not unlimited nodes

can i explode them? im tryna build something without getting radiated to death

[arctic swallow]

mine and delete in you trash bin

[carmine musk]

i cant i die instantly

[arctic swallow]

nope impossible

[carmine musk]

theres like 6 nodes either itll take forever or its impossible

[arctic swallow]

you havr more then 3 seconds to trash it

but do you have to?

can't you viuld around/

[carmine musk]

i mean i can build but i d have to be in a distance

its where i want my waterpumps to be

[loud ivy]

cut your losses

[carmine musk]

#1201555265942724758 anyone?

[rough jay]

do VIP junctions still work if the low priority junction has way more headlift than the priority pipe?

[sharp sentinel]

... I kept wondering why the drone hadn't yet arrived at my end point for it. Just realised I never built the drone.

[winter spoke]

are there mods for passive pocket crafting like in factorio?

[mortal ginkgo]

Deepest lore, insane mystery, maddening truth

[carmine musk]

are you british by any chanvce

[mortal ginkgo]

Nope.

[carmine musk]

my british radar isnt working i guess

i read your message with a british accent btw

[arctic swallow]

oi mate

[mortal ginkgo]

in'it

You sure you won' to keep asking tha' mate?

[carmine musk]

are you british

[mortal ginkgo]

Some people migh' ge' the wrong idea don'' you think?

[carmine musk]

pro'a'ly

[mortal ginkgo]

there is an english to british accent website

wanted to link it but server didnt like it kek

[sharp sentinel]

Lovecraft being read with a British accent. Bloody 'ell.

[carmine musk]

didi

where is my rotor factory

[mortal ginkgo]

Sacrifice me more virgin blood my matessy.

hmm, not too different

[carmine musk]

i know i bloody had one

[arctic swallow]

I offer my most respectful apologies for any perceived inadequacies in my command of the English language, which, despite my earnest efforts, may fall short of the refined eloquence traditionally associated with native speakers particularly those hailing from the British Isles, whose linguistic heritage I, regrettably, do not share by birth or upbringing.

[south sinew]

you guys suck at being British

[prime wadi]

Is there no gold mug in Awesome shop any more? Or did I just forget where it came from

[carmine musk]

Woah there PAL! slow down there with the discrimination ! Have you bloody read the rules of this server? NO BULLYING ALLOWED

[mortal ginkgo]

bro writing a novel here casually

[carmine musk]

So... it was in front of me the whole time. in front of the hub. i saw screws and thought it was a screw factory. nice try diddi

[arctic swallow]

Indubitably, I am able to assert, with unequivocal conviction and devoid of any semblance of equivocation, that the aforementioned proposition incontrovertibly aligns with the totality of my extant condition and ontological self-conception.

[carmine musk]

how do i put pipe support beams on a wall

[mortal ginkgo]

I love how the message just below you is about pipes, because ofc it is.

[arctic swallow]

he ain't using proper english

[carmine musk]

answer me losers

[arctic swallow]

yes

[carmine musk]

wow thanks

[arctic swallow]

here i answered you

you need to have them unlocked using shop

[carmine musk]

thanks cuteboy 668

[cobalt elm]

after have done 9 pipes on a wall and trying to gather them to nine by nine square i have a new found respect of people that makes mega bases with alot of pipes 😛 😄

[arctic swallow]

Certainly, esteemed compatriot, it presents no impediment whatsoever.

[thin pilot]

Is a 57500 MW crude oil power plant to extreme

[arctic swallow]

no

[mortal ginkgo]

when its about pipes in this game, all reason is gone

there is only sadness and despair

[arctic swallow]

and suffering

The arduous task of meticulously positioning and interconnecting pipes manifests as an overwhelming confluence of relentless agony, profound despair, and incessant suffering that relentlessly tests the limits of one’s endurance and fortitude.

[mortal ginkgo]

ok grandpa, time to go to bed

[thin pilot]

weve made some changes to our design

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_Plastic_C"%3A"1000"%2C"Desc_Fuel_C"%3A"3600"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_LiquidOil_C"%3A"3450"%2C"Desc_FluidCanister_C"%3A"3600"}%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_Alternate_DilutedPackagedFuel_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Screw_C"]}

creates 45GW instead of the original 57500

[arctic swallow]

nahh bro i ain't clicking that

[thin pilot]

its the website

its on satis calc

[arctic swallow]

you only make plastic?

[thin pilot]

sent a screen shot in screenshotsa

[arctic swallow]

ohh nvm you also make rubber

[thin pilot]

its plastic +rubber from an alternitive

[sharp sentinel]

Posted chat in this chat channel.

[arctic swallow]

why do you package it?

[thin pilot]

its 2x as efficient

with the alternate recipe

[arctic swallow]

you don't have a blender?

[thin pilot]

only just got phase 3

[void belfry]

There we go replaced fuel with turbo fuel

[arctic swallow]

i got you a better one

[thin pilot]

does it make more power?

[void belfry]

Went from 300 fuel per minute to 93.5 turbo fuel

[arctic swallow]

no wait

somethign doesn't add up

[thin pilot]

I dont need more plastic/rubber

its pure power

[void belfry]

Yes and no...it burns slower so you can support more generators

[thin pilot]

this shit alr needs 72 max clocked ones lol

I dont want more 🙂

[arctic swallow]

you can't make 3600 fuel from 500m3

[thin pilot]

wdym?

[arctic swallow]

ohh wait i am blide

[thin pilot]

500m3?

[arctic swallow]

the plastic is hiding the output of the rubber refinery

[thin pilot]

oh yh mb

on a real note is this abit to much

[tropic juniper]

mean

[gloomy heart]

How high up do you guys make foundations?

for a factory

[arctic swallow]

for a second floor 1m and for ground floor higher then terain

[gloomy heart]

yeah but some of the terrain is mixed #screenshots message

like huge rocks which makes it really annoying

[distant bay]

reminder: The Factory Must Grow

[void belfry]

The factory must shrink?

[arctic swallow]

take him to the jail

the factory must always grow

[timber shoal]

what should I do with the excess water generated from aluminum and battery production? I'm not near oil so I can't reliably package and sink it

[sudden otter]

anyone knows how to make to do list bigger ui?

[worthy pebble]

how much rubber and plastic per minute is good for starting of tier 5

[fathom shuttle]

100-200 of each is more than enough to get you going

[worthy pebble]

thanks

[fathom shuttle]

Where are you placing your oil factory

[worthy pebble]

no idea

[vestal mica]

2 main options are 1. feed it back into the aluminum production so you don't need as much fresh water from extractors. or 2. turn it into something sinkable like the wet concrete recipe and store/sink it

[worthy pebble]

yet

[fathom shuttle]

Where are you basing right now

[worthy pebble]

one sec

#screenshots

[worthy pebble]

#screenshots

[fathom shuttle]

Blue crater is a great place

[empty shard]

Quick someone name my new save

[fathom shuttle]

You get access to 2550/min oil, almost 25% of the maps oil

[fathom shuttle]

My little factory

[worthy pebble]

thanks

[fathom shuttle]

If you want to expand rubber, plastic and power production in the future you’ll be covered

Though for any major power grid upgrades I’d wait until phase 4

[worthy pebble]

k thanks

[fathom shuttle]

For now just make a refinery set up on a pure node that turns it all into fuel, burn the fuel for 5GW and process the byproducts into rubber or plastic

[untold ember]

the fact you can connect belts now with blueprints but not rail lines saddens me greatly.

[fathom shuttle]

… you’ll never guess what

[mortal ginkgo]

This is literal madness.

#screenshots message

[untold ember]

?

[fathom shuttle]

You can auto connect rails

[untold ember]

well i have blueprints with the rails and its not connecting T.T

[void belfry]

Damn I just saved like 1000mw

[leaden ether]

Carple Tunnel here I come! I had about that many generators (768 total) But far far fewer refineries and pipes using rocket fuel. Though I do like a good thick pipe stack... <.<

[void belfry]

God do I love taking out massive amounts of my factories

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't know if I want to respect or pity you folks.

[fathom shuttle]

I’m just happy that I don’t need to debug that lol

I just did a little debugging on my 40GW packaged diluted fuel set up and now the power production is just perfect, 0 fluctuations

It was just a disconnected heavy oil residue pipe and a mk1 water pipe

[leaden ether]

Well the nice thing about using regular fuel is that there isn't a lot to debug. If one pipe chain works, they'll all work. The rocket fuel takes a lot of tweaking to get it running 100% smooth.

[peak wasp]

Plugin 'PythonScriptPlugin' failed to load because module 'PythonScriptPluginPreload' could not be found. Please ensure the plugin is properly installed, otherwise consider disabling the plugin for this project. i didnt even download mods i wonder what happend

[oak night]

finding it hard to stay engaged on my second playthrough rn

[prime wadi]

any way to 'upgrade' belts without deleting?

[elder apex]

just click on them with the new belt type selected to replace them

[prime wadi]

perfect, ty

[elder apex]

you'll see the existing belt change color when it is the target to be upgraded

[distant bay]

what x40 said

i always try to upgrade all the belts

[reef basin]

I personally don't see a reason to upgrade existing belts

[prime wadi]

I'd started building a new steel factory and realised I still had Mk1's on the hotbar

[south sinew]

I generally prefer to just build new things using my best belts and usually leave whatever's around with whatever it was on before

[peak wasp]

fun times when u realise u got old mk1s hidden in splitters

[lament olive]

Anyone having any issues with Epic being weird recently? Since today a friend is having trouble joining me and the session failed to load at least once after I started the game saying EOS timeout

(I'm running the game from Steam but friend has it on Epic so my online session is set to Epic)

[keen anchor]

yo i found a hole in a cave that just leads to under the map

[plush trellis]

Dunno but the game has been real unstable lately it seems. Never used to crash this often

[versed mirage]

is 20 reinforced iron plates a minute good early game

[mortal ginkgo]

very gud

[versed mirage]

okay

[worthy pebble]

should i use the residue from my plastic and rubber for turbofuel #screenshots

[versed mirage]

btw, i produce like 50x more screws than plates but i never really run out of plates is that alright

like im constantly producing reinforced iron plates still just way more screws than plates

[frail sleet]

ye its fine

[versed mirage]

what should i automate after

rotors or modular frames

[void belfry]

So question

Rocket Fuel is it true that it's not vulnerable to fluid mechanics in this game since its a highly compressed gas?

[leaden ether]

Rotors Stators and motors would be good to do togeather.

[untold moat]

rocket fuel follows gas rules instead of liquid rules in the game (comparable to nitrogen)

[void belfry]

That means stacking massive amounts of fuel generators is a option?

[untold moat]

i mean, it always was, people just don't want to do pumps

[leaden ether]

Overall the gas and liquid behave very similar, both with flow issues but gasses need no pumps.

[void belfry]

Indeed so I can stack about 106 fuel generators in one place?

[leaden ether]

My last RF plant fed 48 generators from a single Mk1 pipe and that was only like 205 m3/min flow.

[void belfry]

This means 106 in a 600 m3/min mk2 pipe would work fine

Did you over clock those to 250%?

[leaden ether]

I mean divide 300 or 600 by 4.167 THough if you don't allow for some over feeding of the fuel, you will fint it might take a week for the generator buffers to fill and stop turning on and off constantly.

No I did not overclock the generators. I had a total of 176 of 768 of them. ANd I didn't feel like wasting crap tons of shards :D

[void belfry]

Or you could keep everything off and let it fill up using some other source of power?

[leaden ether]

I am not sure that works with generators. They need power to take fuel, but if they are powered they burn fuel. Different from other machines where disconnecting the belt allows you to do that.

[cold ore]

yo quick question? is there any legit use for sulfer that is not compact coal? i have 2 pure coal nodes and 2 pure sulfur nodes close to each other and i thought about making a compact coal factory over there, is there any downsides of not having just sulfur

[void belfry]

Well I guess you could use a fluid buffer

Does a fluid buffer take gas?

I'd assume so but you know it is a good question

[lost wagon]

the biomass fuel consumption in the biomass burner is regardless of how much power you're consuming?

[leaden ether]

Uh... I would guess yes but. I don't know :D In general I overfeed the generators by a small % to make 100% sure they do fill and stay on. I don't mind belted products maybe missing a beat now and then but multiply that by 768 and the power fluctuation gets really annoying.

[lost wagon]

so a solid biofuel last 15 seconds not mattering if you're using 30MW of the biomass burner or not

[south sinew]

I believe biomass burners are unique in that they only consume fuel as needed

[south sinew]

there are some uses, but they don't come up until the endgame, in the early game it's pretty much just explosives and compact coal for power

[lost wagon]

ah, that's good, I was almost regreting my small factory spam across the rocky desert

[cold ore]

thx! like what?

[south sinew]

sulfuric acid is used in some alternates and uranium

as well as rocket fuel

RF is way better than compacted coal in power terms so that becomes the dominant usage

[cold ore]

when do i unlock rocket fuel?

[south sinew]

Tier 7 or 8

it's part of the Sulphur MAM chain after compact coal and turbofuel but you can't unlock it until then

[cold ore]

alr

damn i saw it on the mam

but i couldn't get it yet thx

[south sinew]

you need aluminium which comes in Tier 7, and also the gas container which is in either 7 or 8

[cold ore]

yea

[south sinew]

until then it's all about diluted fuel

[half scaffold]

That is correct, that's why I like them for backup power. I can just load them up and they are only used if needed.

[south sinew]

most people just use power storages ;p

much easier

[winter ruin]

Later in game when you are using lots of power such as 100GW biomass burners are no help

[reef basin]

people just build more power than they need

[south sinew]

or that

[winter ruin]

Im working on a 150GW fuel factory before Phase 4

[south sinew]

that's kinda excessive ;p

[winter ruin]

Not having the diluted fuel for blenders is making it a pain but whatever

Got 400 packagers and its still doable

[south sinew]

you can get diluted packaged fuel

ah yeah

[winter ruin]

Ive got the first 200 for packaging water done

[half scaffold]

Dumb question, I tried to use the Production Planner on SCIM for the first time. It added Mk3 miners, which I don't have. How do I change them to Mk2?

[south sinew]

you can make a print that includes the packagers and both refineries in a blueprint designer mk1

[winter ruin]

Already did

It took me like an hour to place and belt/pipe everything

which wasn't bad at all

[south sinew]

you can't I think, but it's pretty simple, you just double hte number of miners if you're not overclocking them

[winter ruin]

If it says you need 1 mark 3, miner use 2 mark 2s, and if you only have mark 1s use 4

[south sinew]

it also depends on the purity of the nodes involved and whether or not you are sharding them

[winter ruin]

Yeah that to

[south sinew]

so it always requires some manual calculation for your exact circumstances

[half scaffold]

I think I'll stick to using my reMarkable 😛

[winter ruin]

Is that another calculator?

[half scaffold]

It's an eInk tablet.

I use it for all my notes and things. I've been sketching out layouts and notes and whatever for pretty much everything in my life

I've got 5 hard drives to read, so I think i'll run them through the MAM while I draw some plans up 😄

[worthy pebble]

should i use the residue from my plastic and rubber for turbofuel

[south sinew]

if you have the materials going spare, then go for it

the alt recipes for rubber, plastic, and fuel are vastly stronger than the base recipes but you need a complete set to make them work

[vestal sable]

How much aluminium casing and sheets should I aim for for my starter aluminium factory? Would 600 casing and 100 sheets per minute work?

[south sinew]

you don't really need super much of either of them if I recall

sheets I would recommend making more because mk5 belts are great

[vestal sable]

casing looks like its used for a ton, ill just do a small setup focusing on like 100 of each per min

[pulsar pelican]

how do you guys feel about tractors and truck stations ? I know its probably not the most efficient, but it is cool and brings some life to your empire.

[vestal sable]

Theyre cool, Ive got a truck depot which is currently bringing my project parts back from a factory a bit away

[white dawn]

Tractors and trucks are as efficient as you make 'em. :) Any of the available logistics methods can be used to support whatever throughputs you need.

I use vehicles pretty heavily in the early game, and continue to build new routes where appropriate even later on

Though I admit I'm much more likely to use tractors than trucks, just 'cause I like the sugarcubes

[pulsar pelican]

how is their pathfinding nowadays? if you have a path with several trucks, do they run into eachother or anything?

[white dawn]

Collisions aren't unheard of, though they do try to avoid each other. And if they do get stuck, they'll auto-teleport to their next node automatically after a few seconds

[flint spade]

accidentally drove my truck into the void💔

[pulsar pelican]

cool

[white dawn]

Once you're far enough away, the game doesn't even fully simulate the vehicles; they just teleport from node to node

One caveat that I have yet to verify for myself is that vehicles might actually have some problems when running on foundations. I always just make use of the map's "natural" roads, so my vehicles are rarely on foundations, so I've not seen problems

But when I do see people complaining about vehicle behavior it's often on Pioneer-constructed roads

The other bug I know for sure is that you should delete any blue pause node on your route (they show up if you pause for awhile while recording the route). If your game is saved while a vehicle's at that node, and then you load the save, the vehicle will be stuck there until you manually intervene

The yellow pause nodes which show up at stations are fine (vehicles do actually behave a little strange for a few seconds if the game loads while they're at the yellow pause node, but they recover pretty quickly with those)

[vocal slate]

I downloaded this game this morning and I already played it for 13hours

[lime ermine]

Sounds about right lol. Glad you're enjoying it

[jovial ember]

Satisfactory can be like that

[frail sleet]

Gasses also don't prefer to "fall down", while liquids do. If you make an identical pipe with a vertical connector and put enough fluid in the top half to make it half full:

A liquid will flow so that the bottom half is 100% full and the top will be 0%.

A gas will make everything 50% full.

[pallid oar]

I wonder if it is possible to beat the game without using any COPPER ore or maybe even COPPER INGOT

[fresh wharf]

Is there a way to make drones hold liquids excluding with canisters? Because I just tried canisters and had to make 16 packagers on each end for packaging and depackaging, which isn't very effective
If there is no alternative I'll just use trains

[distant bay]

Is the chainsaw worth it in late game to clear a way for foundations?

[feral jay]

No, drones can't hold liquid that's not packaged

[tulip orchid]

The main problem you'd run into there is running out of copper sheets, which are necessary for pipes
You do get a pretty good supply from drop pods, but most unlocks that want copper sheets (Hypertubes, Packager, Train Signals) are straight up not happening. You need at least the 500 for Oil processing

[tulip orchid]

I'd still recommend packaging fluids even if you do switch to trains, mostly on grounds that fluid cars are, Not Great^tm

[half scaffold]

How do you link to a screenshot? Looking for suggestions on alt recipes to choose

[leaden ether]

Post in screen shots, then right click your post and copy post link, paste here.

[sour ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

"Freighter records indicate this came from the past, which is normal"

[distant bay]

pure caterium is really good

[white dawn]

FWIW, basically all recipes are at least situationally useful, and there are more hard drives than recipes, so eventually you'll get them all

There's a common misconception that recipes can be easily ranked against each other; "tier lists" and such are quite common. But in reality there's a lot more variance. You might use three different recipes for the same resource across your playthrough, depending on what nodes are nearby or what else the factory is doing, or just your own mood

My recommendation is always that unless there's a specific recipe you're looking for, just flip a coin, choose one, and then move on -- it's not really worth investing too much mental time into.

[half scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1389396979678707733/image.png?ex=68647845&is=686326c5&hm=53eebee093935ef8cf77153fec2509bce47987414b714135a70c2dd055b2a3b0&

[white dawn]

Just pick a random recipe and then you'll have more options while building later

(If there is a specific recipe you're hunting for, then it definitely makes sense to leave hard drives unchosen, so that the random pool gets smaller more quickly with each hard drive you scan. But for general recipe/drive hunting, just flip a coin and move on, IMO.)

For me personally there's literally only two alt recipes which I'll basically never use, and there are folks who do use those and like having them available

[half scaffold]

That I knew, that's why I've left them unselected 🙂
I was hoping to get another +6 Inventory 🙂

[white dawn]

So it's all down to personal preference. And if you have no preference, a coin flip will sort it out. :)

[distant bay]

@warm walrus if you just unlocked plut.rods, sink em, burn them once at t9

[tulip orchid]

Even direct upgrades (the Pure recipes mainly) are at least partially situational, insofar as "I ain't dragging a water pipe all the way out here"

Beyond that, I tend to leave recipes unselected unless I know I'll want them later (Solid Steel) or I'm actively going to use them

[white dawn]

Conversely, I'd say burn 'em. Plutonium waste storage is ezpz, and the extra power from the Pu rods is A+

[warm walrus]

i unlocked ficsonium i just don't have a factory for it yet

[white dawn]

(I even believe that Uranium waste storage is ezpz, though admittedly that accumulates rather quicker)

[warm walrus]

so it will be sinked for now

[distant bay]

ah then go ahead, once its etup

[warm walrus]

but ficsonium is a lot of work for what it gives

so i'm temped to just sink the plutonium

[distant bay]

ficsonium gives a stupid amount of power

[white dawn]

Ficsonium's basically just for folks who want "clean" nuclear but also want to take advantage of the power gains from Plutonium

Ficsonium's real strength is the Plutonium power

It doesn't add much on its own, but at least it's net-power-positive, and is "clean" if that's one of your nuclear power criteria

[warm walrus]

but a ficsonium factory will give a net negative

[white dawn]

You can always sink the Pu rods now and then build out Ficsonium later if you want

But personally I have a hard time leaving the plutonium power on the ground

[white dawn]

No, Ficsonium's net positive

[warm walrus]

if i make ficsonium fuel rods for more reactors*

[tulip orchid]

I would suggest using Plutonium as fuel for trucks/drones honestly, just because I'd rather avoid having the exceedingly radioactive material just bumping around

Also yeah, as someone who wants to minimize nuclear waste, the entire value of Ficsonium is that I can harness Plutonium without needing to make a radioactive super-death-brick somewhere

[distant bay]

death brick is true

[warm walrus]

really? when i designed a factory in satisfactory modeler it said it would end in a net negative

[white dawn]

The Ficsonium production process is net positive. About 66% of the power you get from Ficsonium goes into the Ficsonium production itself, so it's slight, but you do at least get 33%ish energy efficiency

(Plus the ability to utilize Plutonium while remaining "clean")

[white dawn]

I'll withhold my opinions about Modeller. :)

[warm walrus]

is it not accurate?

[distant bay]

destroying the environment? never heard of it

[white dawn]

It's not a solver, so its results are only as good as your manual constructions

[hard ivy]

No it does not lmao. Unless you mean stupidly small

[half scaffold]

Is there any reason NOT to turn every slug into power shards?

[tulip orchid]

Yeah I'm kinda at the point where I just do all my own maths
Modellers/solvers just aren't worth the hassle for me

[white dawn]

I'm sure it's very good at what it's actually intended for, but it's not intended as a factory solver

[frail sleet]

It's easy to make it much more efficient by underclocking only particle accelerators and that other building that i forgot the name of (which makes the rods)

Almost all of the power consumption is concentrated in a pretty small fraction of the total building count, so that's the only part that massively impacts efficiency based on clock speed.

[frail sleet]

you can put them on circular conveyor belts and they look pretty

[tulip orchid]

Decorative slug carousel

[frail sleet]

lmao thjat 2 people answered that simultaneously

[white dawn]

It's kind of fun to have slugs floating around on conveyors as decoration, but other than that, no. Grind 'em up!

lol, three.

ninja'd twice!

[distant bay]

slug carousel, lol

[tulip orchid]

Man
I need to remake my FICSMAS factory on my new save, partly just so I have somewhere to put decorative slug carousel and/or a little extra production for the basics

[warm walrus]

should i use satisfactory calculator instead?

or something else

[hard ivy]

God no, that planner is dogshit. If you're looking for an automatic calculator, use Satisfactory Tools

[white dawn]

A lot of folks find Modeller very helpful for laying out factories and coming to grips with how they want to build stuff. If it's fulfilling that purpose for you, keep using it, of course!

[fresh wharf]

Theres tools to help me plan my factory????

[white dawn]

Personally for solving production chains, if I use an external tool, I basically always use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[distant bay]

what are good items to sink early game for points

[white dawn]

That does not attempt to actually show you things machine-by-machine, though -- the actual plan implementation is left entirely to the user

(ie: it's a solver, not a planner/modeller)

[thin fiber]

I know fluid trains are horribly inefficient but how can I maximize them? And please dont say "dont use them" I wanna use them for funsies

[white dawn]

(I'm actually most likely to use my own bespoke solver code, but I do often use sftools to try out alternatives 'cause it's a lot more flexible than my own solver. :D)

[white dawn]

Fluid trains are fine, actually -- just gotta make sure you buffer the stations properly

Here's a couple of good fluid buffers for train stations: #design-and-architecture message
#design-and-architecture message

[thin fiber]

Thanks

[tulip orchid]

Honestly I usually just run a sink off my construction resources and that usually works fine

Also yeah, the big thing with trains is buffering, and "Don't use fluid cars" is mostly because fluid buffers get to be janky afaik

[white dawn]

My own caveat is that gasses specifically apparently just do not like buffers, which can cause problems. If you're transferring gasses by train, I'd definitely recommend packaging.

[warm walrus]

next playthrough i should just make a giant rocket fuel power plant

[white dawn]

Liquids, however, should be fine with those buffers.

[distant bay]

is it worth it to sink extra project parts?

[white dawn]

(I've not actually played around with gasses+buffers myself, so that's secondhand knowledge, but I trust the people who've said that. :)

[tulip orchid]

Project parts are worth the most points off memory, although (to a degree) letting those accumulate can be helpful later

[white dawn]

Project parts tend to give a pretty high point value compared to the other items in their same tier. They're good coupon-generators

[void belfry]

So how early should I be heading to the crater biome

[white dawn]

If you're one to fully automate project parts IMO it's definitely worth it to sink them. You'll need the earlier parts to make later parts anyway

[tulip orchid]

If you mean the lakes way up near red forest, I put my starter base there :)

[white dawn]

Once you have the Truck available, it's well worth expanding in general. The crater biome in particular has some nice features, sure, but so do lots of other places on the map

[void belfry]

Like I am thinking of moving all my power setups all the way to the crater biome

[warm walrus]

so after i'm done with the ballistic warp drives it's a good coupon generator

[void belfry]

I wanna use it for turbo fuel and rocket fuel

[white dawn]

Why not leave your existing power where it is? You can always make more power in Blue Crater if you want, of course, but your old stuff can keep on running forever

The only stuff I ever really tear down is my junk Phase 1 factories where I'm just rushing to coal

[tulip orchid]

I'm gonna be honest I cannot be bothered to set up fuel generators atp, I'm probably gonna keep burning coal until I get nuclear unlocked and running

[hard ivy]

Every production step (along the default recipe chain) doubles the point value. So yes, project parts are usually the most valuable

[undone yarrow]

The best*

[void belfry]

I plan to have everything setup before I move, basically I wanna use my current crude areas for computers and super computer's

[white dawn]

You jest, but you wouldn't be the only person to skip fuel. Though I think that's usually seen as more of a challenge run; you'd either want to be running real low-power factories and/or spending a lot of time spinning up new coal power. :)

[void belfry]

And the crater is much better suited for power

[white dawn]

Basically what I'm recommending is don't move. Instead: expand. It's a huge map; I promise you will not run out of resources unless you're specifically trying to max out a resource.

No need to tear stuff down; you can always find a different locations for the new stuff you want to build

All up to you, of course; it's your save after all. :)

[void belfry]

Yeah but my point being is my current crude area is closer to my main factory so it can be more readily brought over to my main production area's

Crater is quite far away and is better suited for power.

[white dawn]

One key component of my "expand" recommendation is essentially eschewing the concept of a "main" factory/area altogether

[tulip orchid]

Less jest than it might come off as, I swear oil pipes are one of the worst things in the game about being janky and unreasonable

Also yeah, I just passively build coal power at just about any given opportunity, so paired with approx. 9 killion power storages it should work fine

[white dawn]

I just build little factories all over the map. I like expanding, and building in tons of new areas, etc

[wary crypt]

bro i love satisfactory but i only have 200 hours and find myself building very ugly buildings anyone got tips

[void belfry]

I mean I plan to skip nuclear

[undone yarrow]

Mk 1 pipes are fiiiiine

Mk 2 pipes are evil

[warm walrus]

alas i have to do a lot of troubleshooting for the nuclear power plant :(

[void belfry]

I don't wanna deal with a radioactive hellscape

[white dawn]

Basically: practice practice practice. But also hang out in #design-and-architecture and #screenshots for inspiration. See a build technique you like? Try to replicate it, etc. :)

[wary crypt]

thank you bro

[undone yarrow]

Automate 5 iodine filters and never worry

[leaden ether]

Took me about three days to get mine balanced. The main problem is, and little adjustment you make has to run for like 1-4 hours before you can see if it worked or not.

[void belfry]

Doesn't radiation kill you even with protection?

[tulip orchid]

I have this problem where I will obsessively overclock resource extractors to the maximum I can use, particularly for the relatively-limited oil, so I end up with lots of very full pipes

Specifically Mk2 pipes
I will agree that Mk1 pipes usually behave themselves

[void belfry]

Wait people have trouble with m
MK2 pipes?

...I must be playing wrong I never do

[leaden ether]

I have not noticed any behavioral difference between Mk1 and 2 pipes myself.

[warm walrus]

those new conveyer troughput monitors are very handy to see if i'm actually getting the amount of output i need

[white dawn]

No. Iodine filters mitigate all damage

[tulip orchid]

I'll admit the main offending system was jank in its own ways but usually if I try to run a full 600/min pipe, it gets stuttered by my using autosave and fucks up the system for a second

[white dawn]

The more ambient radiation around you, the faster the filters are used, but the max consumption is 5/min

[void belfry]

Interesting...can I get under the map

Store all my radioactive bullshit under the map

[tulip orchid]

Hypertubes + vertical nudge makes it easier than ever

[white dawn]

There are aspects of the fluid simulation which can cause problems, especially as you start approaching 600/min. If you happen to have a build style which tends to work, you can end up avoiding a lot of it, but other folks won't be as lucky

Diagnosing 600/min flow problems is like 10% of this server's traffic.

[warm walrus]

oh yeah looks like uranium waste processing is working as intended

[void belfry]

Well don't people understand how water works? Pump water into a high place and then back down and the gravity from the water pushing down on itself forces the water along and makes sure the pipes remain nice and full

Like this is literal a basic understanding of science

[white dawn]

You often also need looped manifolds, which is IMO far from obvious

[leaden ether]

I just have two simple rules, WHen merging pipes, if it goes over 300 use mk2. THen when splitting, trhe moment the splits drop to or below 300 use mk1. Never had a hint of an issue with mk2 specifically.

[warm walrus]

well it felt a lot more complicated after the simplicity of belts i expected kind of the same for pipes

[leaden ether]

Basically think of mk2 as the highvolume transport, but all pipe requirements <= 300 should be handled by Mk1.

[warm walrus]

now i kinda understand them

[tulip orchid]

I tend to do that for both pipes and belts, although partially for aesthetic reasons
Also yeah, I'm mostly just mad at pipes because of how largely painless belts are
Worst I've had of belts is because I was doing stupid shit with balancers

[void belfry]

Yeah but this game is built to be more complicated with each thing correct?

[warm walrus]

seeing those coupons shoot up with the plutonium fuels rods is quite satisfying

[warm walrus]

indeed but in the begining i was very confused with pipes

[void belfry]

So any scary things in the crater?

[tulip orchid]

I think there's like, one big spider (if you're where I think you are) but I don't remember where it spawns and you shouldn't find it on accident

There's a couple of cliff boars but they're not overly bad to avoid

[warm walrus]

with enough boom nothing is sacry

[leaden ether]

Hmmm... I need to collect every bit of ore from 4 pure bauxite nodes and get them to a sort of nereby area to use. So 4800 ores/min. I could have course use 4 mk6 belts and belt them for multiple kms to the factory. But I wonder if a train loop just for huauling the ores might work? Just calced I'd need one train to take only 5.3 minutes with 8 cars. Might have to use two trains...

[void belfry]

My goal is to make power there so the crude oil, the coal and sulfur nodes and then eventually the nitrogen gas

[tulip orchid]

Oh right, the oil is I think a little north of that?
It's mostly water and annoying projectiles to get at the pure oil nodes up there but it's not like, bad

[void belfry]

Well as long as I get power out there I should be able to fly wherever

The hover pack is great lol

[warm walrus]

can i sink ficsonium or do i need to make it into fuel rods first?

[prisma forge]

#screenshots message

I waited a whole month for this moment...
My megafactory, the Nexus Pandora, is in full production.

[feral jay]

Every time I start a new save, building without the hoverpack is just... painful

[feral jay]

I hereby award you seven Internet points for the name "Nexus Pandora"

[quiet silo]

hey guys im new to the game, just wanted to ask for basic advice on coal generators

[prisma forge]

thank you kind stranger

[feral jay]

The best ratio is 8 generators to 3 water extractors, just keep in mind that 8 generators require 360 water/min, and Mk.1 pipes can only carry 300

[quiet silo]

woah thats a lot to take in thank you

currently we divide up a belt of coal into 2 generators that have their own pumps

[naive pendant]

Looking at the wiki info for coal generators is also good. I like the 2 water extractors (at 75% clock) to 4 coal generators.

[hollow holly]

Also build near water and bring the coal. long distance pipeline can be anoying to deal with

[quiet silo]

thats what we did !! :)

[feral jay]

That too ☝️. Bring the coal to the water, not the water to the coal

[quiet silo]

we dont really understand pumps very well and their metrics and stuff

[feral jay]

The first thing to know is, pumps only affect how high you can move the water. They affect nothing else aside from making the pipes one-directional.

[quiet silo]

OH i meant water extractors sorry lol

[feral jay]

hah yes different buildable

[quiet silo]

i keep calling it a pump for some reason lmao thanks for that info anyway i didnt understand that one either

[feral jay]

Wait till you start building power storages and keep calling them "batteries"

[quiet silo]

what metric on the generator tells me or how do i know how much to clock the water extractor?

[feral jay]

At 8:3 you can just run them all at 100% exactly

[hollow holly]

Well it output 120 water/min so

[quiet silo]

sadly, we only recently realised that the required input/output for items per minute was there to help you

we were counting the inputs and if they were enough or not enough 😭

[quiet silo]

with no clocks?

[feral jay]

Yeah, 8 coal generators to 3 water extractors works out perfectly at 100%

[quiet silo]

is it possible to maintain 8 generators on just a belt of 57/minute coal

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal-Powered_Generator#Fuel_consumption

Each needs 15 coal/min

(at 100%)

[shy mulch]

You can underclock them to use 57/8 per min if you really wanted, but there's not really any good reason to do that, just use less generators

[hollow holly]

Or find more coal

[feral jay]

Or overclock the miners

[shy mulch]

or mine the coal manually and stand there 24/7 feeding it 😄

complete the game without any conveyors

[quiet silo]

we are tryna rebuild everything from scratch sorta because we havent built reinforced plate capabilities for mk2 belts (we found pure coal)

[feral jay]

That would actually be a neat idea if someone tried with some kind of "instant handcrafting" mod

[hollow holly]

Truly the best satisfactory experience

[shy mulch]

just place hundreds of portable miners on every node you find, whenever you need stuff go pick up from the portables and hand place them into machines

[feral jay]

I'm actually mining a crazy amount of stuff with portable miners this run

Ever since I realized you could place more than one on a node I do it all the time to rush stuff

[shy mulch]

yeh it's handy in very early game

just dump 20 on iron, copper nodes

[feral jay]

I had to turn down the poratble miner volume because my wife complained about it lol

[shy mulch]

alt recipe: turn down volume on wife

[quiet silo]

okk guys so we assumed that oc the generators was the best idea but we see that you guys are saying 8:3 is nice because it is exact ratio and conserves more of our limited water supply (i.e. less water extractors)

[shy mulch]

water isn't limited though

[feral jay]

lol not possible with my wife, I'm always complaining that she speaks too quietly

[quiet silo]

limited in space though ?

[naive pendant]

Pretty rare hearing about people playing Satisfactory with a significant other.

[feral jay]

Theoretically it is, to 9007199254740991/min

[naive pendant]

They're likely in grassy fields with the water ponds.

[shy mulch]

technically everything is limited, but water is so huge there's no way you're ever running out

[onyx fern]

Is power conveyed through Train Tracks?

[shy mulch]

yes

[feral jay]

yes

[onyx fern]

Oh, that makes sense lol

[shy mulch]

I need to fix my sleeping pattern

[feral jay]

Sleeping is not allowed as per your FICSIT® Employee Contract, section 34, subsection 3, paragraph G

[quiet silo]

also this will be obvious to you guys but we have assumed that the world is NOT procedurally generated

is this correct? if we are incorrect, we are amazed

[shy mulch]

yes you're correct

the world is very specifically built and tested

[quiet silo]

yeah i figured it was too good to be that way

[shy mulch]

designing the world was what most of the development time was spent on

[feral jay]

It's a handcrafted map, the result of years of work

[quiet silo]

yeah that makes sense :]

[shy mulch]

I slept from 830pm to 130am today, frustrating, I want to be sleeping until at least 6am

[quiet silo]

i really hope machine learning and technical algorithms can advance enough over the next decade or two to generate worldsd this incredible

much much much easier said than done but its a nice thought

[west hedge]

would in here of in the forums channel be best to ask for help with floor planing for stage 2 of the space factory. can send what ive already done(built in game)

[feral jay]

I don't. I like playing on a map that's the result of another human's vision

[naive pendant]

#1038092680493801533 or #math-and-meta are good for help planning factories @west hedge

[quiet silo]

of course!! trust me i dislike ai more than the average person but the human's visiioin can be developed into that algorithm, theres no degree to which procedural generation becomes inhuman in its design

[shy mulch]

I think machine learning / AI for stuff like this is further away than most people think. For some very restricted goals it's pretty much at human level already, other things will come in the next few years, but there is some stuff that is still not going to happen in our lifetimes

[feral jay]

I for one welcome our new AI overlords, but I will always still like people better

[shy mulch]

The biggest problem with AI right now is people have unrealistic expectations and understanding of it's limitations

[quiet silo]

yea people are awesome :)

[shy mulch]

It can be a fantastic productivity tool when used appropriately, but people who don't understand it are trying to use it for things it's not good at, and muddying the waters

[feral jay]

LOL I just saked chatgpt to give a plan to beat Satisfactory in 5 hours, and it gave me a detailed point-form plan on how to do it

I... don't think it's possible

[quiet silo]

he probably hasnt even played it 😭 hate how he just makes shit up

[shy mulch]

which model?

[feral jay]

4o

Crap, the current record is just over 8 hours

[shy mulch]

I tried asking the same thing on o3 advanced reasoning model, it decided that I only wanted to complete up to tier 3 because speedruns beyond that take longer

phase 3 i think, not tier

I know what I meant 🙂

I always get tier and phase mixed up

[dapper night]

@feral jay will the AI overlords get Satisfactory on console any sooner?

[feral jay]

It's already on console

That was the killer 1.1 feature

[quiet silo]

is the solution to this having a dual pipeline ? :)
we figure giving room between the extractors and gens helps create room for more extractors

[dapper night]

Nah, 1.1 just gave controller support for pc.

[feral jay]

There's a few solutions

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal-Powered_Generator#/media/File:Coal_Generator_Schematic.png

!wikisearch coal_generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coal_generator

[feral jay]

ah there we go it links the right png

[mint ice]

you know theres something about the simplicity of early game factory that just tickles my brain

[feral jay]

I usually go with #2 on that graphic, feed one extractor in to the back end of the water manifolds

[quiet silo]

thanks for this!! we are gonna use design #3 because it allows for easier water transportation just a little further away from the pond :]

[shy mulch]

I just went with 1 water extractor pipeline split to 2 coal generators, underclock the extractors slightly saves power and it looks more symetrical

[feral jay]

Np, generally the wiki is fantastic for this game, just make sure you use wiki.gg and not Fandom

Because Fandom is evil and WAY out of date

[quiet silo]

wiki gg is awesome and fandom is bad i love the terraria/calamity ones :)

also i recall something about oc/uc being exponential power savings ?

[feral jay]

Underclocking is an exponential savings, yes

[quiet silo]

is this true or is it literally just percentage based

[feral jay]

Or logarithmic actually

Running everything at 1% is, techincally, the most power effecient way to run things

[quiet silo]

is there a function for this or visual roughly :)

[quiet silo]

OH ok i get you now then

[leaden ether]

It's pretty shallow. Not seriously worrisome.

[quiet silo]

the only drawback to underclocking is greater complex distribution and obviously number of buildings right??

[worthy pebble]

how much quickwire is good for the start of tier 6

[quiet silo]

we only recently realised the value of uc and went through and saved so much power 😆

[shy mulch]

running 100 machines at 1% will use 0.044x the amount of power compared to 1 building at 100%

[feral jay]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Advanced_clock_speed

[shy mulch]

or is it 0.44x

I think it's 0.044x

[feral jay]

power usage=initial power usage×(clock speed/100)^1.321928

[mint ice]

so acording to that, you could run a full phase 1 facotry, on like 3 bio burners

[shy mulch]

Err, according to that it's 0.22x

wonder where I got the 44 from

[half scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1389411423100338176/image.png?ex=686485b9&is=68633439&hm=00993e25d8d10bf2c2c3b1d3d25bafd608553369dce78051072e14d8babdf339&

Decent? Setup for my Recycling Center?

[quiet silo]

thanks guys for your help ill be back here ^-^
thanks as well for being beginner friendly, was worried id get some minmax losers telling me how to play so i appreciate the options!! <3

[shy mulch]

yeah, plus you never want to burn leaves or wood directly, always run them through a constructor into biomass, then run that through another constructor into solid biomass, makes far more efficient use of the stuff you collect, it will last longer

[worthy pebble]

how much quickwire is good for the start of tier 6

[shy mulch]

there's always some minmaxers around, but we try to hide it 😛

[mint ice]

well yes. we are here for efficiency

man phase 1 factory isnt just pretty. its simple

im siply admiring Phase 1

[feral jay]

The community around this game is awesome, just good people who want to help other people play the game. Good people all around

It probably helps that it's not a competive game

[shy mulch]

it can be, but that's strictly opt-in 🙂

[half scaffold]

@prisma forge That screenshot of all the ingots is crazy! Where are they all coming from? Belts from all over the world?

[prisma forge]

Lol, actually only from the rocky desert. That's the magic of pure ingot recipes ;)

[untold moat]

I personally have my biomass only from plant materials and sink the alien remains

[half scaffold]

I'll likely use mycelia for the most part, but figured I'd set it up to handle everything for good measure 🙂

[untold moat]

and to each their own. if you like turning alien matter into biomass, thats a perfectly fine use case. Its just not my preferred use case, so I will proceed in a different fasion

[shy mulch]

alien matter produced massive amounts of biomass, but I'd only use that if needed, for almost every use case it's simply unnecessary

[mint ice]

you know id pretend to know whats happening, but i cant even begin to imagine any of this

[shy mulch]

is there something you need help with

[mint ice]

no, me and my word articulation centre of my brain tend not to work together very well

[peak wasp]

Are coal generators really worth it long term

[feral jay]

THey're worth it until you get fuel generators, and then, why tear them down?

[peak wasp]

Once I get there I'm def gonna use those alts so I can get 144gws of power off one oil node

[untold moat]

depends on your definition of long term.

[peak wasp]

Tier 9 onwards trying to build megabase, also what's better megabase or mini bases

[shy mulch]

I'm happy to offer guidance if you have a problem I've experienced/solved before
There's always somet EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY
DO NOT INDULGE THE TAPESTRY BENEATH THE LAYERS
hing to learn about the game 🙂

[untold moat]

my methodology is to only remove something if I need the inputs for something else, and even then, I usually just disconnect it

[dense violet]

just go like 40gw, it'll get you to nuclear prettyeasily

[untold moat]

define better.

[dense violet]

coal can also easily keep you to like ier 7

[peak wasp]

more efficient

[dense violet]

efficient in what way xD

[mint ice]

i smell mercer spheres.....

[dense violet]

people throw that word around w/o any thought behind it

[tidal holly]

Hi,
it's the 3rd new game i start tonight on a dedicate and i have the same issue.

Randomly, Milestone or MAM consume items but i dont have the rewards

Never seen that since 2019

[mint ice]

well this guys unlucky is really lucky

[untold moat]

Satellite Bases (mini bases) are useful in terms of keeping performance good and for using the different logistics network buildables. Mega-bases is great for screenshot and ease of connections of certain items to others

[peak wasp]

Idk, cause nodes are far from eachother, and idk if I should build the stuff there, or transfer the resources to one central point and refine it all

[untold moat]

I would ask in either #1038092680493801533 or #dedicated-servers

[untold moat]

depends on your playstyle

[dense violet]

generally it's a lot more work planning a central facility
10x more work if you're not working backwards from an end goal

but as for 'material' efficiency, it's no different

[peak wasp]

I've made it to tier 9 and beat phase 4 before 1.1

Last thing I did was automate power shards

[half scaffold]

I prefer to spend 40 hours every couple weeks rebuilding the mega facility for one small tweak 😛

[mint ice]

imagine. ive never made it past phase 2 because making the stuff for phase 3 hurts my brain much more than i care to admit

[untold moat]

the more power to you. we are here to help you understand what we know to see if it helps your use case

[peak wasp]

some space elevator parts I don't really automate do you

I want to but its lots of dragging resources across the map

[mint ice]

ALTHOUGH, until this save im on i havent automated everything

[dense violet]

use a planner and keep notes https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[peak wasp]

Hence the question of modular vs mega base

[feral jay]

"lots of dragging resources around them map" is the game's entire challenge

[mint ice]

i smell trains!

[peak wasp]

Do you use belts, trucks or trains

[dense violet]

just build a factory for that part elsewhere and move it in

[shy mulch]

Did someone say power? #screenshots

[prisma forge]

yes

[dense violet]

use whatever logistics you want

[feral jay]

Except trucks, because trucks are evil

[mint ice]

wtf

[dense violet]

trucks are fine. just use them where trucks work

[shy mulch]

I like powerrrr

[mint ice]

wanna see my power?

[shy mulch]

Go for it

[mint ice]

no diddy

[shy mulch]

I love seeing more inspiration, big or small, it's all good!

time for me 3:18am chocolate milk

[mint ice]

did my paste just stop owrking?

I have an idea!

it was correct

[shy mulch]

Interesting design!

[prisma forge]

#screenshots message

Some screenshots of the Nexus Pandora's refinery system. There's 86 refineries for iron alone!

[mint ice]

i wanna see how long thisll take

[shy mulch]

That will keep you busy 🙂

[dapper night]

Xbox store says 'Not currently available'. All we get is teased. No date. No price (like it's going to matter) Just tease

[prisma forge]

yeah I'll have to keep doing some tweaks here and there to have it all working properly. Also I still haven't decorated it.

[dapper night]

At least it's there

[mint ice]

can i just say

Men Kissing

thank you for listening

[prisma forge]

also that conveyor highway has like 11 conveyor belts carrying 480 iron ingots per minute each

[prisma forge]

that's not in the Bible

[void belfry]

So question

[mint ice]

heyyyy, wait a minute

[void belfry]

Can I use the underneath of the map to transfer goods around my map

[prisma forge]

All kinds of people are united here by the power of undiagnosed neurodivergency

[prisma forge]

what

[spiral dew]

the cost of mk6 belts is insane

[feral jay]

yes

[mint ice]

are you trying to put a big train under the map?

[void belfry]

Instead of going overtop and creating ugly flying roads...why don't I use the void underneath the map as a highway for goods

[feral jay]

That is a valid design choice

[void belfry]

Nope a giant belt network underneath the map

[prisma forge]

because trains exist

[mint ice]

sky trains would be kinda cool

[shy mulch]

Diagnosis pending 😄

[mint ice]

correction, i am diagnosed

[void belfry]

ADHD and Autism here

[mint ice]

samesies!

[shy mulch]

Here's an idea - cover large areas of the map in foundations, but leave like 100m between the foundations and the ground, build your buildings on top and have all your logistics, trains, roads etc running below

[prisma forge]

alright shit I gotta go sleep, I have to wake up in less than 7 hours to go to work. Sadly, the refinery tweakery will have to be done in another day

[mint ice]

ggs

sleep good my fellow fool

[shy mulch]

I start work in 4.5 hours 🙂

[prisma forge]

well I have a test to do tomorrow

also I didn't take my meds yet

[shy mulch]

every day is a test - of my patience

[mint ice]

have you atleast conssumed a healthy amount of water

[prisma forge]

AAAAH but the belt highways look SO COOL

[void belfry]

Lol keep inventory is my fav part of this game

[prisma forge]

one liter

[void belfry]

Basically get a thing then use the respawn button to avoid having to travel back

[prisma forge]

gosh darn it I am not producing enough steel

[shy mulch]

that's one of the gems of the game is that everyone can play it in their own way, for me I enjoy the risk/survival part too, but I totally get that it's not for everyone

[void belfry]

Indeed it's my chill game

[feral jay]

Bzzt! Wrong! If you're not playing my way, you're doing it wrong!

[half scaffold]

@shy mulch Funny, I think I just cleared that crash site last night. Ran around the area with at least 100 Nobelisks dropping them and screaming the whole time

[shy mulch]

That glass box I have built as a blueprint, it has a small hole in the top. So when I see the big scary spiders I can quickly build the blueprint around them, then I can stand on top and throw nobelisks in the hole 😄

It's weirdly satisfying

[feral jay]

You could call it... satisfactory