satisfactory

[sullen gull]

They're made by placing entrances so far apart.

[grizzled lotus]

so? doesn't make me travel the entire distance normally?

[sullen gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMIfjfCCgb0

[young crest]

Finally finished phase 2 and what the actual fuck is that i need for phase 3

[empty spoke]

how do u fix the colliding flickering effect on 2 structures

[sullen gull]

I built one with a couple biomass gens so I could place one anywhere if I need a quick trip. And then just try to remember to dismantle it otw back through the area lol

[sullen gull]

If it's foundations, you can use a pillar. for walls and other features, not too sure.

[empty spoke]

its pillar into foundation

[sullen gull]

Are they the Arches?

[empty spoke]

some of them

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I unfortunately don't know a way. There is a setting that I hear was supposed to help, but it hasn't done me much good either. Maybe someone in #design-and-architecture may know.

[dusky relic]

Is building additional biomass-burnings inefficient

[grizzled lotus]

wha! that's amazing.

[zenith pecan]

My architecture is mostly tunnels and frame causeways with glass floors to connect factories.

Building tunnels though does give me significant freedom to ignore landscape restrictions on what I route through where.

[grizzled lotus]

sometimes the next phase asks for stuff you can't make yet. inspect the tiers to find them

[sullen gull]

Just means more that you'd have to collect. Can also be offset some by researching slooping in the mam and going out to collect a few sloops to produce 2x the amount put in.

[grizzled lotus]

as for biomass burners, build as many as you need until you unlock the next pwoer-generating thingy

[sullen gull]

Coal

[young crest]

Im terrified of building a motor factory

[dusky relic]

But dont biomass burnings only burn what they actually need to?

[sullen gull]

Nah, easy peasy. Depending on how many /minute you want though.

[grizzled lotus]

it gets easier. last I played I reached tier 5 I think.

[sullen gull]

This save, I have been able to suffice just fine off of one assembler making motors. But it's personal requirements/goals of course.

[dusky relic]

Do you guys usually automate the tier 1 space elevator?

[sullen gull]

They do, but if you have factories going, they will consume. You'll want to get up to solid biomass to make it worth while and more 'efficient' as well.

[marble tinsel]

Just unlocked Coal so going to set that up soon to replace biomass burners cause I got too many to keep putting biofuel in 😂

[sullen gull]

I personally automate everything. Basically due to the items most likely being needed for something else later on.

[sullen gull]

Coal is rather easy if you follow the 'standard' config: 8x coal gens, 3x water extractors (one piped into each end and one into the middle), and one belt of 120 coal.

[marble tinsel]

hmm interesting

[sullen gull]

Makes 600 MW

[marble tinsel]

I need to find the coal node spot though I found one but thats like miles from my base

[zenith pecan]

#screenshots message here's a 32 generator coal plant fed by two haphazard t3 coal belts in the dunes

[marble tinsel]

going to explore and find a cluster if any exist

[placid stirrup]

Grassy Plains?

[marble tinsel]

like the world I am in?

[sullen gull]

I am a personal fan of the area marked on the map here: #screenshots message

[placid stirrup]

The starting location

[marble tinsel]

I chose the first option so I think yea thats the grassy one

[placid stirrup]

Yeah it's at coal where the game encourages exploration from there, which is the ideal thing to do throughout the game. North would be my recommendation 🙂

[marble tinsel]

going to check that out

[placid stirrup]

And because I value your time and experience, please don't try to bring the water and coal back to where your HUB is

[sullen gull]

Here is my 64x gen that I usually build some variant of in that area: #screenshots message

[atomic notch]

Just west of there by the shore is a pretty cool starting area in the grasslands. Got lots of stuff right around that area

[marble tinsel]

Is Fluid transport a pain to deal with?

[marble tinsel]

damn I dont got enough resources for that 😂

[placid stirrup]

Generally yes, it's made simpler with things you unlock later but I have not dealt with it in my 1600 hours

[sullen gull]

The grass lands is a good open area, though I have come to enjoy the Rocky Desert. More localized Pure nodes. Almost just as open, though not as pretty 🙂

[atomic notch]

Depending on where i start either one will eventually become a big processing factory

[zenith pecan]

In an older save I tried making a coal terrace, 64 generators #design-and-architecture message , it worked but I never actually completed the place because it was replaced with oil pretty quickly, kind of a shame really.

[sullen gull]

I tend to go our early in my saves and go on long sloop/sphere hunts. And harddrives as well. You end up collecting enough items to get through the mam and Tier's rather quickly. And when producing something, I just make sure to put a container with a dimensional depot on the output. With the time it takes building, planning, exploring, etc. I have a good buffer of items to continue building and never run out. The only trouble one is concrete.. But I just usually through a miner, constructor, container, and DD at a node and forget about it.

[zenith pecan]

I might reuse the design for a refinery sometime.

[sullen gull]

Don't they all? lol

[sullen gull]

Through this save, one of my goals is to just make smaller dedicated power stations at/for each factory I am making

[zenith pecan]

Less ideal for some power sources imho unless you're using very small generators, oil has a few locations but their size quickly bloats due to refineries, and god help you if you're trying it with nuclear poer.

[atomic notch]

Decentralized power grid. Could work out

[sullen gull]

Like, my weapons factory will run of of two overclocked fuel gens running off of turbo fuel, since it's produced on site for turbo ammo anyhow, I produce enough to run the gens and package some up for 5 drone ports bringing items in from off side.

[zenith pecan]

You "can" make very small nuclear setups, but you will need to either ship fuel rods all over, or ship the uranium pellets etc and make on site.

[sullen gull]

Yeah, with nuke i'd just assume always making one big plant for that

[marble tinsel]

thats a good gameplan this is my first time playing so I dont know much

I did unlock one step of the dimensional depot but I have to find SAM crystals to unlock the next thingy

[sullen gull]

Oh for sure,. But be sure to take a lot with a grain and just enjoy the game you would like to play of course.

[zenith pecan]

My current rocket fuel setup is centralised just to take up the wells in one location, leaving all the other oil for literally everything else.

[uncut verge]

hey so i always got an issue at some point, im done automating every part available in my space elevator phase, but when it comes to building a factory for space elevator parts I get burned out and leave the game for a while until i come back and start a new world, any suggestion to avoid the burnout?

[zenith pecan]

Try not to spoil yourself too much, sometimes epic failures and roaming the map can be monumentally funny, just enjoy the ride, worry about all the numbers and doing optimal stuff in later saves 😄

[sullen gull]

Weapons facility currently working on: #screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

Now that is wicked!, I never managed curved structures due to utterly despising the Zfighting that grabs my attention and won't let go, this was my old explosives factory, I need to build anew: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZWJchOpd8U

[sullen gull]

Take breaks. I feel you on that big time lol. It's a lot

[sullen gull]

Wait, those floors, those glass roof?

[placid stirrup]

🖐️ It me right now, 95% done with the nuclear facility but the DS issue with stations was the tipping point to get me to take a break

[zenith pecan]

In what way?

[sullen gull]

They don't look like the glass foundation for some reason ..

Asking how you made the floors.

[atomic notch]

Temp space elevator machines. If u got all the parts just hand feed it

[zenith pecan]

Oh on the catwalks, they are glass foundation, but I embedded frame floors into them.

[sullen gull]

Ahh ok

Glass foundations bug me because of the dang bar through the middle lol

[zenith pecan]

I actually leaned into that design, I embedded horizontal billboards set to full white and max brightness, now they're 8x8 lights that use 0 power too #screenshots message

I actually made three versions of the array, ceiling, floor, and combined #design-and-architecture message , all inspired by me making a catwalk section haha.

[sullen gull]

You mean like this: #screenshots message 😭

[zenith pecan]

As shown here, it makes flush lighting with a ceiling very viable #design-and-architecture message

[placid stirrup]

Looks like my voluntary nystagmus

[sullen gull]

Lol

Although, I am loving this 'Deep Black' (setting the color as black and the 3rd slider to -5) as a Matte: #screenshots message

It hides a ton of that Z fighting .

But it also seems to 'absorb' light rather well, so having issues figuring how how I want to do the lighting just yet lol

[sullen gull]

Yeah, that does look pretty slick. I may 'borrow' that idea if that's ok? 😏

[zenith pecan]

You're welcome to do so, the print was incredibly annoying to create due to epic finagling needed to get the billboards to the correct level to embed in the foundation.

I can just DM you the print files if you're wanting them, just plop them in to the appropriate folder in the blueprint location.

[sullen gull]

So, I found that if you place one on top, and with 1.1 Z nudge, do a ctrl nudge down or up depending, you can get the signs to fit flush

[zenith pecan]

Is the Z nudge that fine? I had to build all sorts of weirdness to move the pieces the equivilent of centimetres, taking advantake of slight position errors.

[placid stirrup]

Did you happen to see the billboard floor/wall/ceiling tutorial video a while back?

[zenith pecan]

Ahh no, I just made the thing up on the fly.

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

This is what I was dealing with when I found that out.

[zenith pecan]

I used freeform beams and crap to get the precise height I wanted, the billboard is literally 20 centimetres up from the lower surface of the glass foundation, a requirement for the light array that has both upward & downward lighting, so avoid the billboards clipping each other and crapping up the light on both sides.

[sullen gull]

Honestly, the updated nudge 1.1 has is so awesome compared to before. Though, Infinite Nudges configurable nudge is awesome as well, It just always felt 'wrong' not using vanilla lol.

[zenith pecan]

I'll take a closer look, it'll save me a whole lot of shit, one thing I will do is to add coloured variants of the lights, since it is no issue removing the glass, configuring the signs, and replacing the glass.

Some things I do have to keep aligned though due to how I build the underground network.

[sullen gull]

Heh, part of me wants to build a massive factory "under" the map lol.

I saw on reddit that someone made a clipping BP using hyper tubes lol

[zenith pecan]

They did make it more difficult to get under the map with unreal engine 5 back in update 8, I found a work around in under five mintes and carried right on building tunnels and under-map facilities.

[sullen gull]

Haha, nice

[zenith pecan]

Here's a primer to that, my approach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9T_ZlDv68

[sullen gull]

Wait, was that your post I saw on reddit then? lol

[zenith pecan]

If that video was up, it wasn't me that posted it, someone might have just linked it, I don't mind, but I am curious as to who.

I can create a much more in-depth guide than the simple primer I tossed on to youtube if people are interested, video creation isn't that difficult, davinci is a fantastic and easy to use tool 😄

[sullen gull]

Lol, it wasn't. You're approach is similar, but the design they used was different

[zenith pecan]

Fair dues 👍

[sullen gull]

Is there a way to export these models to scale to use in Fusion I wonder... Would make the planning SO much more easy for me lol.

[zenith pecan]

I'm unsure, I am not familliar with fusion.

[vivid gorge]

I finally got the berry achievement. Pretty sure Satisfactory is the only game I have 100% on Steam

[sullen gull]

Oooh, how many do you need to get? Don't recall seeing that one come through yet...

[wet shoal]

Idk about any berry achievment

[vivid gorge]

There’s 44 total, took 1.000 tickets which takes forever

[ashen belfry]

Ouhh the golden nut

[wet shoal]

Golden nut.

[vivid gorge]

lol yeah it’s a nut not a berry

[wet shoal]

Lmao

[sullen gull]

OOOOOh lol

[stiff garnet]

Is there anyway to move a miner backwards on a deposit? the snap point is ahead of the one right next to it

[zenith pecan]

Alas not that I'm aware no.

[sullen gull]

Not unless you mod. Otherwise, Miners can only be rotated on their snap position

[sullen gull]

So far it's rather simple. Even a guide for exporting models on the docs.ficsit.app site

[wanton stag]

is there any way to reveal parts of the map without actively exploring the whole thing?

like do radar tower help with it?

[sullen gull]

I believe radar unlocks the map, don't recall. You could also always just upload your save to SCIM

[wanton stag]

scim?

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[wanton stag]

OH

well the scim map only shows the parts of the map you've unlocked

[azure swan]

Drones need seatbelts so you can ride them without getting dropped when they decend or turn too hard.

[sullen gull]

@wanton stag #screenshots message

Doh, I wish you could make one color shiny and the other matte in the color picker.

[young crest]

Math 😣

[sullen gull]

Heh, what's the problem? I'm sure there is a solution! 😏

Btw, anyone else just forego making Gas Noblisks? lol. Or does someone have a use case that works well?

[white dawn]

They're good for taking out nuke hogs, apparently, since those don't run away when taking damage

[zenith pecan]

Here's a way to remove nuke hogs #screenshots message 🤣

[sullen gull]

Ooh, will try that. Swamp seems full of em lol.

[mortal ginkgo]

Swamp is a gentle place. It's residents are kind and peaceful.

[zenith pecan]

They become very peaceful when you use nuclear device spam to clean up obstacles.

[mortal ginkgo]

[wanton stag]

is there a way to get the beans out of the way permanently?

[zenith pecan]

☢️ 💥

[wanton stag]

nukes get rid of them permanently?

[zenith pecan]

You may need to bomb again on occasion.

[peak wasp]

So question for you guys

[mortal ginkgo]

Considering some images I saw where there are beans above the top floors etc of massive factories, I would say "no".

They are there to appreciate your factory, constantly. 😛

[peak wasp]

So is it against the satisfactory gods to put splitters in a row

[wanton stag]

also idk if this is a bug with experimental but everytime i load my save, some of my tactors just break, like they just freeze

[wanton stag]

no thats called a manifold

[peak wasp]

Basically I am taking one input and splitting it between like 8 machines

[wanton stag]

yeah thats a manifold

[peak wasp]

Ah cool...so I am doing that

[rain fog]

They still balance the resources properly but they just take a little longer to do so

It's generally a good idea lol

[peak wasp]

I mean as long as the input exceeds the need right?

[wanton stag]

Or meets it

As long as you have enough or more than enough, manifolds work, it's a how long do you want to wait question

Manifolds take longer to work at 100% but are more compact

And you can skip the spin up time by prefilling your machines

[naive pendant]

@peak wasp I usually build a manifold produciton line, cut the output belt, let it run until all machines idle and belts are full, reconnect the output belt. Greatly reduces the time for the manifold to fully fill.

Prefilling using dimentional depots too if wanting even faster.

[peak wasp]

I mean I am trying to just build this machine

[wanton stag]

I'm trying to figure how to balance 1800 canisters in a closed loop with only mk 4 belts 😭

[peak wasp]

Is it weird to make different factories for different things

[wanton stag]

That's hell on earth

[wanton stag]

No? It's a factory building game, you're supposed to make them how you want

[peak wasp]

Like I am making a factory dedicated to making 10 engines a minute

Which surprisingly takes up a entire iron node

[naive pendant]

Doing that is very common, yes.

[wanton stag]

That's normal, engines are used in a bunch of shit and it's pretty common to need them especially for transportation things

[wanton stag]

I have no idea how to do this ;-;

[tall lantern]

why would you need to

just split up package -> unpackage -> return into smaller groups you can handle

[peak wasp]

Indeed so I am like instead of having a maze of machines that I have no idea what's going on I'd build a factory that just does one thing

[wanton stag]

Power production

[tall lantern]

doesn't change the answer

[peak wasp]

Like I tried making one big factory and I am like....wtf is going on after a while

[wanton stag]

I'm just making sure that none of my packagers end up backed up since it'll fuck up everything

[tall lantern]

1800/4 = 450, comfortably fits onto a mk4

[peak wasp]

So then I decided....fuck it make factories all over the place...they make one thing...I can just put a sign up that says....engines

[wanton stag]

Hang on let me get the chart

[zenith pecan]

You can use floor markings and/or walls to segregate areas of a giant factory, though I wouldn't recommend the megafactory approach unless you have a crazy pc, it'll melt or blow up.

[peak wasp]

Crazy how?

Like I am a i5 13600k, 32gb of ram and a RX 9070xt

[wanton stag]

But mk 4 belts are 480?

[tall lantern]

...can 450 fit on a 480?

[wanton stag]

I didn't think of that...

I'm stupid cut me some slack

[zenith pecan]

Depends how laggy the playthrough is 😄 , but generally yeah unless you're down to 1fps, then it's an issue 😛

Using slightly less than a belts throughput is one way to ensure you don't have any system shenanigans causing yellow lights.

[wanton stag]

Yeah good point

Also ngl I kinda hate tractors, since whenever I load my game, there's a chance one of them just... stops, like they have fuel, the autopilots on

[frozen cloud]

have you actually had issues?
it was fine for me at 30fps

[wanton stag]

But they just went drive

*won't

[tall lantern]

yeah I try not to run my belts at full most of the time

[wanton stag]

So I have to go, and push them, and then they start driving again!

[frozen cloud]

i have lots of 1200 belts that seem perfectly fine

[zenith pecan]

Only with the 1200s, the drop off was so very slight but it caused backups into the refineries when trying to take 1200 resin out of the three towers power station, I changed it to three mk4s that marged into two mk5s, the bottleneck went away.

[wanton stag]

Why do you hate the mk 2 pipes?

[peak wasp]

Is vulkan good yet in this game?

[frozen cloud]

cause it doesnt do 600/min in long manifolds, more like ~550

[naive pendant]

Afaik only the 1200 item/minute belts have the throughput loss issue linked to fps. Maybe it's a thing for other belts, but doesn't get mentioned, so probs not.

[peak wasp]

Or is it still better with dx12

[zenith pecan]

Tbh the issue was probably the number of mergers pushing material onto the belt, because 1200 from a clocked mine hasn't caused an issue.

[wanton stag]

Define long

[frozen cloud]

10+ machines
if you have more than that just feed it from 2 sides via 2x 300/min

[zenith pecan]

Depends how you build, my old save had 600s running from the western spire coast into the dunes without issue, though I do build those as loops.

[frozen cloud]

"doing loops" is just feeding via 2x 300/min pipes

[tall lantern]

It Is Known that 600/min can be done, just requires building specifically for it

[frozen cloud]

yes by splitting into 2 pipes

[naive pendant]

My testing from a while back with 4-6 refineries doing pure recipes would get like 595 instead of 600 fluid/minute. Basic manifold style.

[wanton stag]

ah, so if i do a manifold of ten its fine?

[zenith pecan]

Not quite, just prevents the weird stop backwash issues at the end of the pipe, for some reason 600s do that, but the 300s don't

[tall lantern]

the base crude oil part of my rocket fuel is two sets of 600/min from pure oil nodes, that's been running stable thankfully

[frozen cloud]

a loop literaly just splits it into 300/min feeding from each end

ye up to ten is fine id say

[frozen cloud]

ye it depends on how uneven the split is
with 40+ turbofuel fuel gens splitting 585:15 it can get as bad as 500

[zenith pecan]

I've seen some odd effects when i divide the 600s into 300s, sometimes a machine near the end gets choked, hence this setup #math-and-meta message

[frozen cloud]

oh ye feeding from below makes it worse

[naive pendant]

585:15? Is that indicating a production line topology for those rates?

[zenith pecan]

The structure shown there ran 100% for twelve months, seemed to be ok.

[frozen cloud]

a turbofuel generator takes 15/min
the manifold is supplied by 600/min
so it splits 600 into 585 and 15

[wanton stag]

my two braincells trying to figure out how to just get 1200 fuel being made per minute

[naive pendant]

Ok, you just mean a 600 turbofuel/min generator line.

[zenith pecan]

Thankfully gasses don't care, my current power station is relying on them almost exclusively.

[frozen cloud]

im just doing 500/min rocket fuel pipes and its working fine

[zenith pecan]

And the blenders aren't looped.

[wanton stag]

I hate vehicles so much, can i go 15 minutes without my two tractors picking up coal deadlocking?

[rich ivy]

man the "rare" quantum encoder animation is not rare

ive gotten it like 20 times just from these two encoders alone

[wanton stag]

me being stuck on phase 3 for months 😭

[rich ivy]

ive been playing this one save regularly since 1.0 came out and im just now automating mid-phase 5 parts

its okay bro

im at 618 hours on this one save

[flint elm]

im trying to build something on a platform but it keeps trying to place on the platform above anyone know how to get aronud this

[lucid path]

is https://www.satisfactorytools.com/ down for anyone?

[frozen cloud]

works for me

[flat spindle]

Anyone lookin for a world?

[somber juniper]

Do we hava a rough ETA on 1.1 going live?

[frail sleet]

no

[wanton stag]

is there a guide on how to balance 4 belts between multiple machines? Im trying to balance 4 450 belts between 30 packagers and idk how to do that

[jaunty jewel]

you could use manifold system

or, how much does 1 packager take ?

you can do 7.5 packagers per belt

[rich ivy]

alright yall im still having a dilemma and i need input

theres 4 items i need to ship into my phase 5 factory, thing is the place is in the middle of the red forest

[dense violet]

clock 4 groups of machines so they each use 450 per min

[rich ivy]

should i:

• ship everything by train into a drone hub and then have drones take everything up the mountain
• say "fuck it" and run a train line through here

[dense violet]

why not just have drones from the first place?

[rich ivy]

everything's already set up for trains

[wanton stag]

i cant do manifold, its a closed loop and i need everything to be running at 100%

[rich ivy]

but i didnt realize till now that getting trains up here is a lot harder than i initially thought

[wanton stag]

this is for power production, going into 30 packagers, then 30 refineries

[rich ivy]

i should be fine to do drones cause its not that many items per minute

[wanton stag]

the another 30 packagers to unpack my fuel

[rich ivy]

the only thing im worried about is alclad sheets, i need 360 of those per minute shipped in

[wanton stag]

why not just run a belt?

[rich ivy]

?????

[wanton stag]

if you want perfect thruput run belts

[rich ivy]

firstly, id be running a belt all the way from the sawmp to the red forest, bad idea

secondly, that would just look ugly so no

[wanton stag]

depends on how you do it

[rich ivy]

i just dont want to

i already have resource belts forming whats basically a concrete wall around the perimeter of the red forest

i dont wanna add more than i need to

[wanton stag]

and i wanna know how to balance 4 belts between 30 machines, 3 fucking times

[rich ivy]

manifold

people who do load balancers are strange

[wanton stag]

i cant do manifolds, its a closed loop

if i do manifold for my packaged liquids the canisters will end up doing stupid shit 😭

then we'll have backups

[elder apex]

You can do a manifold in a closed loop, you just need to have extra units in the loop to allow for the filling of the buffers

[wanton stag]

how much extra we talking? I have 1800 canisters already, and imma keep it real with you, if i have to make another 3000 or smth stupid like that im gonna throw myself into the void

plus i only have an extra 30 thruput on each belt

[frail sleet]

If you automate cannisters, whenever you need to take some there can be like 10,000 just sat there (and you can usually take as many as you want with just one dimensional depot, as you can withdraw 5 stacks early and it'll refill while you're building)

to saturate a manifold, you need buffer size * machine count

[wanton stag]

oh god...

well im looking at 90 machines, but the cannisters are moved between all 90 machines in 3 stages

so should i just make enough for 30 machines plus what i have already?

[frail sleet]

If you do that, the first stage may dump itself out into the second stage and the second stage into the third, so the only one that has a warmed manifold will be the last stage.

you need to fill every machine for it to reliably self-throttle every stage

[wanton stag]

i forgot to mention that after it goes to stage 3 it goes back to 1...

and each stage has the same buffer size for canisters

[frail sleet]

Doesn't matter, the total buffer size is the buffer size of one machine multiplied by the amount of total machines in the system. None of your extra complication helps or hurts that, there's no need to look at it as different "stages". It's just a bunch of machines which all need to be full simultaneously to reliably self-throttle and distribute.

If some machines are full and others aren't, or if all of them are a quarter full, it will still break in the same ways (at least temporarily)

[latent prawn]

alternately, you can do a balanced split to distribute them evenly. 90 is a good number to do that with if you clock to 125 or 250%

(ends up being a 36 or 72-way split)

[wanton stag]

sir this is a wendys...

(i genuinely have such a huge headache from this, im trying to use 900 heavy oil reside to make 1800 diluted packaged fuel and it feels way more complex than it should and i wanna rip my hair out

wait what if i leave the last stage empty? stage 3 exists just to unpack the fuel made in stage 2 so why would i fill any of the buffers for that?

because what im hearing is i need an extra 3000 canisters on top of what i already have (1800), then 3000 packaged water, and then an additional 3000 packaged fuel...

or in other words, 10,800 canisters

[lime ermine]

Guys what is Petroleum Coke good for I think you can only use it in coal gens right? I just found two ISCs full of it in my oil factory and wondering what it's used for

[wanton stag]

its good for coal gens, vehicles, and to be sinked

[latent prawn]

there's a few alt recipes that use it

[wanton stag]

i personally would go for fuel tbh

[vague roost]

Just scanned my first hard-drive and got alt caterium wire or alt charcoal. Should I go for the wire since I'm about to go make a coal outpost?

[latent prawn]

mostly you'll be making it to maximize aluminum production, but it also can be used to make other types of ingots, circuit boards and coal-less turbofuel

[wanton stag]

moon did i get what you mean right?

[latent prawn]

in addition to all of those, as fuel in a vehicle (truck/tractor), it has a little more range than coal due to its 200-stack size

usually during the course of a playthrough, early i make it to dispose of hor byproduct from my intro oil setup. you can sink it or make some much needed power with it. Later, yeah, the turbofuel & aluminum uses become important

[dense violet]

diluted fuel? just loop it then. 1 packager , 1 refinery, 1 unpackager, loop

[latent prawn]

oh, also, if you're going all-in on making hmf's with oil nearby, coke steel is kinda good

[wanton stag]

well yeah im just trying to figure out how to get it to balance, i have mk4 belts, 1800 canisters that need to be made into 1800 packaged water to go become 1800 packed fuel, i was told to split it up into 4 450 belts

[dense violet]

you don't need to balance it

[latent prawn]

the copper, caterium and steel ingot recipes that take coke aren't super-great on yield, but they do save considerably on power

[dense violet]

1:1:1
in a closed loop

you are actively making it harder on yourself. Which is fine if that's what you want, but that doesn't seem to be the case

[prisma thicket]

Any idea why my power consumption line is all jittery when all but 4 of my machines are working at 100% efficiency, and the 4 that aren't are inactive currently?

[latent prawn]

probably miners cutting off & on

[wanton stag]

really? im just trying to make it so that there isnt 30,000 belts ;w;

[marble tinsel]

Took a long time but I was able to get the coal generators started and hooked up to one of my iron factories 😓

[white dawn]

The trick with Packaged Diluted Fuel is to slap the 1x Refinery + 2x Packager in a blueprint, so you can place it down in one chunk. You can even include the Empty Packages inside the machine so it's a literal one-click deployment

[dense violet]

youll have lots of belt lengths anyway, just have it loop under or over a small group so yo udon't have to balance things

[white dawn]

Each one you slap down gives you 60/min fuel, once you've hooked up the HOR+Water inputs

[dense violet]

this has been mentioned to them

[white dawn]

Ah, I suppose I should've scrolled up more. :D

Anyway, you can fit that in a 4x4 blueprinter if you don't mind it being a bit tight

[dense violet]

well still trying to convince them they don't have to balance anything

uphill battle

so more people pointing it out is good

[white dawn]

You can see one layout example here: #math-and-meta message (includes water extractors + fuel gens which aren't part of the packaging-loop blueprint)

[prisma thicket]

Thank you, emptied the buffers on my miners and now my consumption has evened out 😄

[wanton stag]

I looked at this and realized just how overcomplicated I was making it for no reason...

[dense violet]

woo!

[white dawn]

Overcomplication for fun and profit! :D We've all been there. :)

[sturdy mural]

guys i made my first ACU !!! :D
#screenshots message <- pic :3

[wanton stag]

I'm honestly pretty sure I was overcomplicating it after I saw kibitz do this for his turbo plant

[dense violet]

look, you could also still do it the othe way, what you'd want to do for that is just have a manifold with a large buffer of empty containers before the fill cycle. That way the system is flooded always

entirely doable, but.. imo more messy.

[wanton stag]

I've been working on a megafactory for acus for three months at this point and I'm not done

I keep getting mad the design isn't right like it's gonna be permanent when I know that I'll make 100 of them and then just tear it back down

I'm honestly contemplating just handcrafting everything I need for it then dumping the shit in a manufacturer and letting it run

[prisma thicket]

I wouldn't tear it down that fast, you need ACUs for the next phase as well.

[dense violet]

why would you tear it down??

[wanton stag]

Well you only need a certain amount so in theory can't I make the acus for this phase plus next

[dense violet]

you need them for all the end space parts

[prisma thicket]

You can, yes, but why not leave it running and sink the excess, more coupons to buy stuff 😄

[wanton stag]

More resources that I'll be inputting, and since I don't give myself any more space then what I need i have a habit of just building in mind with the space of what I need

[dense violet]

hmmm you could make ACUs with just caterium, oil and iron. Could be a tight little factory

[wanton stag]

I have everything in the shop

[dense violet]

if you need to tear it down for space, you aren't giving yourself the space you need.

also, build up

[wanton stag]

I'M SORRY YOU DON'T NEED STEEL FOR THIS?

[dense violet]

oh and limestone

[dense violet]

you can make steel with oil

[wanton stag]

Well 480 a minute should suffice

[wanton stag]

Well isn't the only steel part in acus hmf which i can sidestep steel in with iron pipes, and encased industrial pipe?

[dense violet]

you can but you need the oil for other recipes in the computer chain. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=xufPUeHk7EZfzHE2D02p

at least with that combo

that process cuts it down to 4 resource types to bring in

you could reduce the caterium needs with the Tempered recipes too

[cyan meadow]

Quick question: If I place a blueprint and dont like exactly where I placed it, can I remove the whole blueprint at once? or do i have to remove each piece in the blueprint?

[dense violet]

dismantle in blueprint mode

[dense violet]

you can also place it in nudge mode to scoot it over

[cyan meadow]

oh nice, ty

How can I modify a blueprint if I don't have the materials needed to build the blueprint?

[wanton stag]

Well I don't have converters and since I'm fully exploiting the oil on the oil coast I'm making 600 ish plastic a minute, most is being stored, so I'm sure I could use it for circuit boards and computers

[cyan meadow]

I want to remove a Dimensional Depot out of my blueprint because I don't have the Mercer Spheres to build it. But I can't even modify the blueprint cause i dont ahve them 😦

[gilded void]

Do servers go down at 11 EST or something? All of a sudden cannot connect

[wanton stag]

No? That's a server owner thing

[dense violet]

why would you need onverters for that link?

[wanton stag]

The sam?

[dense violet]

there's no sam used in that link

[wanton stag]

I just dmed you a screenshot of the link you sent me

Yeah it does

[frail sleet]

It's used in an (IMO best) aluminum alt recipe from the start of P4

[dusky relic]

I wish I was able to decorate my factory more

Like have more decorations I could just place down

[dense violet]

they get unlocked through the awesome shop as you get more tiers and buy them

[dusky relic]

Yeah but I want boxes or something I can place

[prisma thicket]

Is shatter rebar any good? Maybe not against stingers but the other enemy types?

[dusky relic]

#design-and-architecture message

Like I want to make this walkway less empty

[cyan meadow]

I placed a blueprint down as a permanent structure, I then altered it a bit. Can I save it as a new blueprint? or do i have to do it in the blueprint designer item?

[prisma thicket]

Gotta make changes in the blueprint designer.

[cyan meadow]

was a fraid of that

[prisma thicket]

Thankfully you can Load Blueprint, so you don't need to rebuild it from scratch, just make the alterations and either save over the old one or save under a new name.

[dense violet]

people get creative with pillars, beams signs . things like that. Ther'es also a props mod

[leaden ether]

Okay the gas filters I think have to be the most disappointing thing to see on a belt 😄

[next stump]

Any news on console yet?

[dense violet]

#announcements

[next stump]

Thanks the most recent video?

[dense violet]

all the announcements ever.

chronologically

[quick sky]

is it a good idea to plan my parts ratios according to what project assembly needs?

or should I use something different

[dense violet]

no real wrong answer here.
I, personally, would treat tiers 1-9 as a long tutorial to teach you the things you'll need for your own projects after phase 5

thus I wouldn't stress about it

however if you feel you'll be done with the game after phase 5? also doesn't matter much. Just make a bunch of things and go from there

[quick sky]

aight

I think I'll just do those ratios and do something to divert either the main flow or overflow towards a mall

depends how impatient I'm feeling

[dense violet]

sure 🙂

just a thing, trying to future proof will generally waste more time than just creating what you need at the time

and be a bunch more work

[quick sky]

Yeah, I've stalled a lot of easy projects trying to minmax every detail. But now I think I've got a good system for both scaling things up and changing things around if I don't like them so a simple ratio calculation won't mess me up

I mean it is just how many belts I divide my inputs into

[dense violet]

the great thing about that is that manifolds will self balance

as long as you have enough parts and throughput

[quick sky]

hell yeah, I only do load balancing on a per-part basis so I don't have to worry about that 15 input-45 output-20 input nonsense

[dense violet]

what I've learned to do starting a new map is to build in floors.
floor 1 smelters
2, constructors
3, assemblers
ect

and then just expand the lines as I get new belts and connect things as needed. It's not 'efficient' but it's fast and easy

[quick sky]

so for example I'll have the "steel-beaminator" blueprinted, I put it down, and I just decide what % of my steel goes towards beams

[dense violet]

just keep buffers of parts between each section

[quick sky]

yeah once you've figured out a system for what you do with the question of "I know what I need, now how do I build it" it all becomes a lot easier

[dense violet]

this is, imo, easily the best planner to just get the numbers out 🙂 then I just split it up as needed https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[quick sky]

Between conveyors and trains, are trucks good for anything?

[dense violet]

they can go very long distances and requires next to no infrastructure. Unlike trains

also much more convenient over short distances (depending on terrain)

[distant hill]

I just had an odd one 🤔 Belt was coming back as 'too steep' on a short flat surface. Couldn't connect it to a poll, could to a splitter or other input... save and reload fixed it...

[dense violet]

that happens sometimes

[distant hill]

As far as trucks go... I maintain a 'it's either far enough for a train or short enough for a belt' mentality.

Didn't they make some adjustment to drones on experimental, I haven't checked. I've never liked the limits on drones

[latent prawn]

yeah, they're pathing is a lot smoother now, but the change is largely a cosmetic one

i have a feeling that it might cause some drone routes to use a bit more/less fuel which could break you if you have your supply of drone fuel pretty metered out

[hollow vector]

bro got ratioed

[latent prawn]

yay, last of the alt recipes researched. i now have biocoal!

[quick sky]

Is that useful?

[latent prawn]

well, being the last recipe i had to unlock, no, not really. there's uses for it though

[quick sky]

Maybe with mycelium it is useful for the high biomass yield. Maybe if you sloop it also

[latent prawn]

in past playthroughs, i've used it to build an ammo factory without coal

you may also find some utility with it in providing fuel for truck stations

[quick sky]

Oh that's neat

[quick sky]

Why? Do trucks pick up the biomass they destroy?

[dusky relic]

Does ||reanimated SAM|| actually need special storage?

What will happen if I just toss it in a container'

[latent prawn]

no, its just that you can set up a truck depot somewhere for rounding up stuff for you and supply some critter bits into a couple of constructors for hours worth of fuel

[tribal elk]

do pipes actually make liquid travel with momentum or does it just fill empty pipe volume

[dense violet]

fills empty space

[tribal elk]

i worry that pipes that push liquid from different directions would cancel out their momentum

[fallen orbit]

What is happening? Whenever I leave and join my game my fuel generators just go 0 and I get a message of fuse blown then again the power comes back to normal but it goes 0 for a few sec

[dense violet]

yes, it's a good idea to flood pipes to make flow stable

[tribal elk]

pipes are so jank i almost want to just package everything

ive put pumps, valves, water towers, un-daisy chained my pipe topography, and they still give me trouble

i wish i had a better way to get rid of liquid, also

[boreal musk]

theres a mod if you really want to get rid of liquid

[ember tide]

think u need storages in front

[sterile blade]

Flush it, drink it, consume it... 🎵

[dense violet]

valves and water towers are where you're getting your jank.

they are very easy if you know the basics

also buffers are often murder

[tribal elk]

ya i tried those, and i got rid of them

[dense violet]

if you want to post some over head images of the issues you're having in #math-and-meta I'm happy to help

[tribal elk]

ive been using buffers expressly to purge liquids

[dense violet]

yeah don't use them at all

you can flush systems from the pipes

[tribal elk]

i have to until i can figure out what to do with all the alumina that my stupid battery factory doesnt want to process

but the water it makes im somewhat stumped on

[dense violet]

again - overhead images in math and meta, possibly with your plan done in satisfactory tools

[dense violet]

the excess water is a trivial problem

[tribal elk]

the water from the scrap makers, i mean

[dense violet]

yup trivial. I can walk you through it

[tribal elk]

i tried feeding it back to the alumina makers, but then the flow is bad. i tried adding pumps to fix the flow, then theres too much pressure to feed the water back

[dense violet]

Take the help or don't 🙂 up to you

[tribal elk]

well if i can just understand how pipes even work, maybe i can figure it out

so i guess if it doesnt work by momentum, i can just ditch most of my valves

[dawn sun]

I'd take Cobalts word for it: fluids are magic in this game and the simpler the system the better it'll be

[boreal musk]

you dont need buffer for pipes, unless youre transporting them with trains

[dense violet]

yeah valves are not the solution.

pls.... it's painful having you there with your pipes in such disarray

[tribal elk]

they really are. plus i think theyre partially glitched

[dense violet]

they are not glitched. You just don't know the basics.

[tribal elk]

i had a situation were removing and replacing them fixed a system

maybe i just imagined it

[dense violet]

by now I've fixed literally hundreds of people's pipes on this server.

[dense violet]

sometimes you just need more time for things to stabalise.

[tribal elk]

it might have had something to do with that thing you mentioned about letting pipes fill up

[dense violet]

it's one of hte issues, they do something 5 minutes ago, and it suddenly starts working later

[dawn sun]

Yup. Valves are in general basically useless, Buffers are only useful if you wanna move fluids by train (usually discouraged but still very doable), and pumps speak for themselves. Besides that keep systems as mathematically perfect as possible (not a harsh requirement but usually desired), prefill pipes before letting everything run, and keep systems separated and simplistic wherever possible. It'll save you a lot of headache

[dense violet]

anyway ping me in #math-and-meta if you change your mind, this is physically painful for me otherwise.

[dawn sun]

At this point we gotta be in the hundreds, yeah. Happens like once a day that someone struggles with pipe networks

[tribal elk]

pumps dont do anything on horizontal expanses at all do they?

totally unintuitive with my understanding of hydrodynamics, but i just want to confirm

[dawn sun]

I believe the additional lift is still applied and just stored for when the pipes move up

[dense violet]

there are niche uses for them horizontally

[tribal elk]

ok

[dense violet]

head lift resets every pump

[tribal elk]

thats good to know

[dawn sun]

Noted. I didn't know that either

[dense violet]

every building and pump resets headlift

every machine has a 10m headlift from output

[dawn sun]

So at any given point the headlift is what's left of what the most recent source provided - the vertical movement of the pipes until the given point

Good to know

[dense violet]

also, not that you should use them, fluid buffers have varialbe head lift

[dawn sun]

Even if I (were to) use buffers I don't think I'd be trusting that headlift tbh

[tribal elk]

fluid buffers have had a use in telling me sooner rather than later if im not producing enough liquid

but theyre not useful beyond that

[dawn sun]

Yeah they hurt system consistency. They're good for storing liquids for train stations (if you're crazy enough to move liquids by train, like me), but besides that are not useful

[dense violet]

they mess with flow and will stutter systems

[tribal elk]

hmm

[dense violet]

one of the reasons you're not making enough is likely the producers were stuttered by back flow from fluid buffers

[tribal elk]

well, in my earlier case they simply weren't getting enough from the source, but i can see that happening

here's a question: should i just assume if the pipes arent all filled to the brim, i need to add more source?

also, i'm going to assume individual pipes saturate and no longer benefit from additional sources?

[sturdy mural]

can that happen without a fluid buffer

[tribal elk]

maybe with enough pipe splits...?

[dense violet]

yes

[dense violet]

wdym 'pipe splits' ?

[dense violet]

I don't know what this means

[tribal elk]

uh, non-linear pipe network

[fallen orbit]

In front of?

[dense violet]

I'd have to see the layout. It's very hard to trouble shoot or tell you whats going on with pipes w/o seeing hte layout

[tribal elk]

that means if you connect 3 pumps to 1 pipe, it no longer benefits from additional pumps sources?

[dense violet]

I'd still need to exactly see whta you mean, but any pump you add to it later will reset the previous headlift and add it's own

[tribal elk]

i was just replying to NuclearCat

sorry i meant sources

[dense violet]

if you're having issues with piping I'm at my computer for a bit and could help in #math-and-meta if you like

[tribal elk]

i'm used to the IRL concept of drawing water via pumps, which is basically what a water extractor would physically be doing

pumps are really unintuitive in this game

and valves too, if there's no fluid momentum concept

[dense violet]

how so? they just reset headlift, then add.

[tribal elk]

yes but its not super clear that they dont benefit at all on horizontal runs, as youd think youd need

except to transfer lift down the line

[dense violet]

well you only need headlift to go up. You aren't going up on a horizontal run

and they can help in niche situations to help keep directionality

[tribal elk]

liquids do experience friction even when moving horizontally, given enough distance

IRL

[dense violet]

sure but they aren't going to go into that much detail

the game is hard enough on your computer resources as it is

that'd be almost as bad as making electrical resistance and voltage a thing in the game

[tribal elk]

yeah, i love hand waving the entire supply of a power plant through a single kitchen extension cord 🤣

transformers? pfft! thems is cartoon characters

i got one final question about pumps

[dense violet]

sure xD

[tribal elk]

wait, let me think about it first

i'm still trying to wrap my brain around these

[dense violet]

I mean, literally all it is to them is , reset headlift, add some.

[ember tide]

yea liquid storage

[tribal elk]

ok i think i should best ask it like this: if a liquid reached the limit of its head lift height in a pipe, is it basically the equivalent of having an opposing valve at that point?

[dense violet]

no as a valve doesn't effectively stop back flow

valves also have other weird mechanisms

[tribal elk]

wait, valves dont stop back flow? i thought that was one of their main purposes

[silk rose]

#fan-art message
bro made that peppa pig style

[dense violet]

they stop specific units of fluid from crossing backwards

however if fluid hits the front of the valve it can knock the fluid behind it backwards

which is all you really care about in this game

so effectively, they don't stop back flow

[tribal elk]

whoa

[dense violet]

you're better off with a powered pump in thos situations

[tribal elk]

that almost is like momentum, in a fashion

[dense violet]

kinda, effectively the pipe in front of the valve gets full, and the fluid behind the valve goes, better go the other way

there's much better ways of dealing with back flow. Some of which is flooding your pipe system

[tribal elk]

that might explain why i cant recycle water from my scrap->alumina system

[dense violet]

if you're feeding the waste water into the fresh water you have to be very careful.

best solution involves not mixing them

simple to implement and unbreakable

[tribal elk]

well if i dont i have to find other uses for that water

[dense violet]

re use it for the solution

[tribal elk]

alumina? thats what i meant by recycle

[dense violet]

I pinged you in the other channel

[tribal elk]

i get it. clever

[dense violet]

and absolutely the most stable and simple way to deal with waste fluid

you can use similar methods later with the nuclear chain and dark matter residue

if you're not comfortable with pipes, which from the sounds of it you aren't, I highly recommend keeping it split.

honestly it's a good set up even for experienced pipe people

the direct feed methods can be very fiddly and not work for 'reasons'.

which is fine if you're good at trouble shooting your pipes and you like doing it that way

[sturdy mural]

guys anyone else just swapped the primary and secondary color on pioneer?

[ripe basin]

Good day guys

[magic ginkgo]

Hello!

[dense violet]

g'day

[fallen orbit]

Does 40gw sound too low for a turbofuel plant?

[dense violet]

fairly average in what people make probably

[fallen orbit]

That's what I am building currently half way through the scale gets crazy

[reef basin]

that's why I'd recommend nuclear over TF

[dense violet]

yeah it's a lot of fuel gens.
be happy they changed it to 250mw from 150mw

[fallen orbit]

They changed fuel gen output?

When

[tribal elk]

Goat Storm is now the official theme song of conveyor spaghetti

it captures the feeling perfectly

[dense violet]

1.0

they also consume more fuel though

[leaden turret]

my brain still thinks of them as 150mw

[zenith pecan]

It's not a bad thing though, fewer generators and far less plumbing for a reasonable power generation.

[dense violet]

it's a great change

but then they added rocket fuel and ninnies started spaming those with tiny fuel consumptions

[zenith pecan]

Rocket fuel works great since its gass, so towers without complexity work out.

[reef basin]

technically the only thing they increased is the power output

[dense violet]

they also changed the fuel consumption rate

[reef basin]

fuel consumption rate isn't a thing they change

since it's calculated from fuel energy and gen power output

[dense violet]

pre 1.0 it was 12 fuel pm post it's 20

[reef basin]

yeah well it did change, my point was that it isn't a thing that devs change directly

it's a result of changing gen power output

[tribal elk]

so a pump doesnt exclusively just reset head lift? it also has some of the function of a valve?

[leaden turret]

one of the functions of the pump is to confuse everyone when people call a water extractor a pump

[tribal elk]

clearly

[dense violet]

only that fluid can't cross from in front of the pump to behind it

[tribal elk]

not even if there's a lot of it with a lot of flow?

hmm

i guess there wouldnt be much counter flow if the pump by definition makes new flow...?

wait

ok never mind i'm just gonna have to derp this out

[sturdy mural]

guys i got 3 stars on all packer levels

[tribal elk]

i have a crazy idea for a storage system

a really long train

is there a limit to train length?

actually, that wouldnt work if individual train stations couldn't access its length

[tall lantern]

you'd need correspondingly longer stations, yes

depending on your exact plan, I reckon you're more likely to run into issues with throughput

[rancid turret]

yeah you can't snowpiercer it

[upbeat edge]

just wondering if anyone knows if plutonium fuel rods are good for ficsit coupons for the effort needed to produce 10-5 p/m? im towards the end of my first playthrough but i wanna get the golden nut statue for 100% achievements. i kinda want to make a nuclear power plant to help this both for the fun of it and for the tickets i need. is it worth it or should i just automate a bunch of motors or something

[verbal mica]

Anyone have know if mods are working at all. I’m on stable branch and mod manager won’t show up in main menu

[tall lantern]

you can check the wiki for sink point values

[upbeat edge]

i did. i know plutonium fuel rods are really good but setting it up ive heard is a huge headache for the first time

[reef basin]

best to ask in modding discord

[dense violet]

!wikisearch points

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=points

[dense violet]

well the benefit of setting it up, is you're getting all the power from uranium rods, and then getting rid of the waste

[upbeat edge]

i literally wouldnt have came here unless i knew the point first. i just want to know if the effort is worth it

[dense violet]

"well the benefit of setting it up, is you're getting all the power from uranium rods, and then getting rid of the waste"

is that subjectively good for you? that's up to you

[tall lantern]

"worth it" in general is entirely up to you

[dense violet]

I burn P rods in trucks and drones. But there's left over for sinking too

[tall lantern]

tbh sink points has never been a thing I've actively looked for, they just happen

[dense violet]

just sink whatever is left over

[tall lantern]

particularly for nuclear, I wouldn't be building that for the sink points, I'd do it because I want the power

[sturdy mural]

hehe i found i think THE lake cave

DRG tape 🤩

[boreal musk]

just a bit of nitrogen left to bring to my factory and i can start making pasta

[junior laurel]

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER!

[junior laurel]

-# you know chat is dead when a rock and stone doesn't summon everyone

[sturdy mural]

🪨 ROCK AND STONE!!! ⛏️

[sturdy mural]

||i forgot to reply, satisfactory is too factoring on me||

i got calculated?? 😭

[junior laurel]

... erm.. get algebraed mate? idfk

[rancid turret]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[sturdy mural]

unfortunate embed fail 😔

[rancid turret]

embeds no work here

[timber plover]

I read some forum posts online, but they were all years old... so just to be sure, if I go on another pc, with the same steam account, I should have the same saves right? And if I load into one of my saves, the only difference should be that I am a new character with a different inventory right?....And to add onto that, will I have the same MAM unlocks?

[sturdy mural]

if you have the same steam account

then you'll have the same stuff on the save you had

inventory is connected to the player not device or anything iirc

[rancid turret]

ye, steam cloud saves are great

[rancid turret]

your game saves will have the same character, inventory, unlocks etc

[timber plover]

Ah, good to know! Thank you so much :)

[timber plover]

I guess that's new then, cuz all the posts I saw mentioned that you'll have a seperate inventory

we'll see i guess, i'm least worried about my inventory anyways... as long as all the rest works fine then its all good

[rancid turret]

i tried satisfactory on my steam deck and all my saves were just there magically

[sturdy mural]

might have been switcing steam to epic? or maybe just old stuff, not sure how does that work

[rancid turret]

ah yeah that might be an epic thing because that doesn't have cloud saves

[timber plover]

ooo wait that's actually pretty cool

did the game work well on steam deck? xd

[rancid turret]

just make sure steam gets a chance to upload your game saves when you exit a game

[rancid turret]

not particularly well lmao

also I'm just not used to the controls

[timber plover]

yeahh makes sense tho

either way ty guys :)

[sturdy mural]

man Modular Engine is a hundred times easier than ACU

[young crest]

Fac tory

[sturdy mural]

Facory

guys imagine you could power buildings one with each other

[junior laurel]

Define()

[undone jackal]

Guys what server hosts do u recommend for multplayer. We want to play with like 6 ppl

[leaden turret]

ask in #dedicated-servers if nobody responds here

[abstract heron]

i just notice i can't press h on signals

[peak wasp]

And remember the factory must grow...especially if it means getting rid of those damn dirty locals

[abstract heron]

i am spending time redoing a little of my track a bit

[sturdy mural]

like how you can power lamps by connecting them with each other

also guys is there a smart/prog splitter but for pipes?

[junior laurel]

Oh daisy chaining buildings, there's a mod for that

[leaden turret]

pipe > packager > smart splitter > packager > pipe

[sturdy mural]

nvm i have a way to solve that

[sturdy mural]

neeverrmindd

[reef basin]

my recommendation would be self-hosting 🙂

[undone jackal]

I dun have enough RAM

[leaden turret]

🐏🐏🐏🐏🐏🐏

have more

[undone jackal]

Great, i have 8 and 4VRAM 😭

[reef basin]

well I meant getting a machine to host it on (e.g. renting a server) 🤷

[ashen belfry]

Or some wireless energy transfer. Somewhere in phase 7-9. Building some upgrades for the buildings, so they can use the wireless energy. Aswell as some buildings transferring the energy. And maybe 5% inefficiency and you use 5% more energy.
But afair the actual battery is the building capable of that

[pallid wasp]

Just started playing 3 days ago, is there any reason not to use the Awesome shop to help rush the module engines and adaptive control units for space elevator phase 3? I just want to get T5 belts asap so I can start scaling up

[reef basin]

no reason to start scaling up now 😛

[undone jackal]

Do whatever but dont buy resources from it

[ashen belfry]

No need to rush though. Ressources are infinite. And you can always build more

[pallid wasp]

What's wrong with buying resources from it?

[latent prawn]

its pretty compelling to do so, but you kind of still need to start making comps and hmf's at some point

[undone jackal]

Everything

[ashen belfry]

It's kinda expensive and tickets only get more expensive

[latent prawn]

counterpoint: there's not much else to spend them on past a certain point

[ashen belfry]

Golden nut?

2 golden nuts?

[undone jackal]

3 golden nuts? 9 billion years from now

[pallid wasp]

I'm just throwing away my versatile framework into coupons and have quite a bit

It just feels like I'm remaking everything every time I get a new belt or miner so might as well start with faster ones

[reef basin]

if you have plenty of coupons, go for it. There's nothing wrong with buying resources in shop, it's just that if you also want the cosmetics and QOL stuff, you may need a lot of coupons for those, and since coupons are harder and harder to get over time, you may be wasting them on something you can easily automate

[vestal moth]

I love the boombox

[random wasp]

tesla valves lowk an underrated way to only sink excess resources

[peak wasp]

I love how games nowadays are 80$ but this game is like 40$ and is way better lol

[quick sky]

"my goodness that was a really huge build, I do wish that nothing that got glitched in one common blueprint reproduced across the whole build and made the whole factory inoperable therefore forcing me to engage in a massive goose chase across multiple miles of tangled machinery for whatever's wrong"

the perfidious misaligned splitter:

[zenith pecan]

Can be had even cheaper on sale to boot 😄

[fluid sapphire]

any news about 1.1?

[zenith pecan]

Even the devs won't know just yet, so much to iron out, and it isn't worth trying to timeline it.

They'll announce when it's near ready, until then your guess is as good as mine.

[fluid sapphire]

sure, i mean like patches between now and then, its been a few weeks

[reef basin]

#announcements would have news if there were any

[zenith pecan]

They are adding quite a bit and squishing a whole chunk of bugs, I learned the hard way from programming in basic, squashing one bug can produce three new ones in unexpected places.

[peak wasp]

Indeed gotta love indie games they are the future

Alongside cheap remakes of old games like oblivion remaster and gears of war reloaded

[fluid sapphire]

i have enough games to keep me busy while waiting, for sure, just getting antsy already hehhhehh

[zenith pecan]

I've had a lot of fun lately with Satisfactory, Subnautica, Volcanoids, They are billions and a few others 😄

It is worth getting a game going on Experimental, it'll be usable on release when 1.1 is pushed live so you won't lose anything there, if you want to use your existing save there though, please make a backup copy first, otherwise have fun and explore it, just feedback bugs.

[fluid sapphire]

i will probably just wait it out, i demolished basically all i had built with SCIM, stuffed the materials into a sorter with a bunch of depos and built an 8000 cell battery to get me started - wasnt satisfied with what i had but didnt feel like completely starting over

[sick heart]

how 'stable' is it? is it noticeably crashy or fairly seamless

[zenith pecan]

I haven't seen much in the way of crashes personally, however I have only played for an hour or two each load due to being busy.

[sick heart]

fair enough

I'm assymptotically approaching the end of phase 5, hoping it takes me long enough that 1.1 drops just before to start a new playthrough when I'm done

unless subnautica 2 releases and then I will be paralysed with indecision

[quick sky]

do you guys know when 1.1 is gonna drop?

[zenith pecan]

I'm not ready for subnautica 2 yet, I'm nearing the end of subnautica and haven't started BZ yet.

[quick sky]

q3, q4?

[sick heart]

BZ is good but no cyclops no party

[reef basin]

when they announce it in #announcements

[quick sky]

My atoms are vibrating with anticipation

[tall lantern]

they'll be vibrating for a while

(probably)

[quick sky]

hell yeah I'm gonna hook myself up to the power grid

[half musk]

hey who wants to play later? dm me

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[slim haven]

usually, tickets become more expensive the more you get
buying resources from tickets means you're compensating for a lacking production line; it's very likely that, in the time it'd naturally take you to craft it all, you could explore the map, and find some really, really nice materials, as well as new resource nodes to exploit that will come useful later on so you don't shoot yourself in the foot and slow the production down even more down the line

every single part of the elevator is reused into new parts for the next phase of the elevator

which is why having a consistent production line for them means that you'll kind of always be doing something toward the next goal

[viral olive]

do you guys know other map sites

the nodes on the satisfactory calculator one has wrong ones sometimes

[spice patio]

How so?

More likely you are on U8 map and not 1.0 map.

Yellow Game Branch selector top right.

[winged bronze]

My trucks braincells are in Narnia... somehow my tractors drive better than my trucks 😂

my trucks keep running into walls and getting stuck inside factory

[outer sparrow]

how do I locate the idle machines? I cant see the leds in the mess so I cant find them

[winged bronze]

is this a known bug or just skill issue on my end lol

[winged bronze]

idle machines? I would just look at the inputs/outputs on the belts no? if you can't locate leds

[sterile terrace]

when will be the next dev stream?

[spice patio]

Hopefully next tuesday.
I have no idea why there wasn't one yesterday.

[obsidian remnant]

Hey, I am playing satisfactory on epic games, but my frined is on steam and the seasion id doesn't work for him nor his forks for me

[winged bronze]

are session IDs dedicated to their own platforms?

I haven't tried @obsidian remnant my friend and I play together but we're both on Steam

could it be perhaps you or your friend have mods on that the other doesn't have installed?

[obsidian remnant]

When i chose for season ID, I get Epic://number...., but his is steam://number......
No mods installed

[winged bronze]

or are you both running Vanilla

[obsidian remnant]

Probably we are doing something wrong, idk

[winged bronze]

hmmm yeah that's definitely weird

[spice patio]

The Steam owner needs to login into Epic ingame, and then hoster needs to use Epic gametype.

[obsidian remnant]

How do I set up epic gametype?

[spice patio]

You have it if that session ID starts with that Epic.

[obsidian remnant]

So I that am on epic need to host?

[spice patio]

Epic allows to play with Epic MP type.
Steam by default allows to play with Steam MP type.
Steam owners can log into Epic ingame to also support that Epic MP type.

Hoster can change the type via Esc-menu while ingame, or via Load Settings button in Load Game menu.

But always when at least one player owns the game on Epic, everyone needs to have Epic login and Epic MP type for hoster.

[obsidian remnant]

We did it, thank you

[acoustic heart]

Anyone here play on the steam deck?

[white dawn]

There's a number of folks using it on Deck, yeah. Apparently works surprisingly well, even into mid/lategame. Probably recommended to use Experimental at the moment since that's got official controller support; I've heard good things about that experience

[acoustic heart]

Oh sick. I will have to check that out

[white dawn]

Presumably it's even more recommended than normal to decentralize and expand, rather than centralizing production

[acoustic heart]

That makes sense. Thats what I had to do on my old computer.

[silver rivet]

I just found out about tractors and their self-driving abilities and my entire world just shifted

[white dawn]

Fancy li'l sugarcubes trundling about the map!

[unkempt blade]

and if you're into vehicles then factory carts are even more adorable!

[outer sparrow]

why doesnt the rotor numbers dont align with 60 iron/m? its so annoying what do I do?

[white dawn]

I've got some bad news for you about the numbers on the rest of the game. :)

Though in general, don't worry about trying to "max out" resource nodes. Just make what you need, using however much material is needed to make that rate. Then when you need more later, make more

If you end up "wasting" some of a node's potential output, don't worry about it. There's far more resources on the map than most players will ever even come close to using

[reef basin]

why wouldn't it align?

you can make 16 rotors per 3 minutes from 60/min ore (using base recipes)

[outer sparrow]

awww

[kind wolf]

do you guys recommend this game?

[tall lantern]

you ask in the game's discord

of course we do lol, hardly an unbiased sample

[wet shoal]

if you love your sleep schedule and have a family to support, I wouldn't recommend any type of factory game

also, do not play O-Game

never touch that one

[scarlet turret]

Hey , when will discounts on satisfactory?

[left totem]

summer winter spring

[scarlet turret]

got it

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that like basically all other companies, CSS doesn't announce their sales ahead of time.

Given historical participation in sales, including the sales post-1.0-release, it does seem likely that they'll continue to participate in the summer/winter/sping sales for the forseeable future, but it's not necessarily guaranteed. They could decide to Not Do That Anymore, etc

[loud quail]

Is there an active satisfactory discord server with a vc?

[scarlet turret]

why no autumn?

[abstract heron]

Yay doing train work

Earlier

[tall lantern]

Huzzah, P5 done, and all achievements completed

[golden furnace]

what happens if you connect pipes holding two different types of liquid?

does the game even allow you to?

[reef basin]

I wish more companies would go the way of Factorio, and not do sales

[visual cosmos]

why though

[reef basin]

because then you'd knew that the price will never decrease and you wouldn't have to "wait and see if sale comes, and be disappointed if bigger one comes later"

[visual cosmos]

usually no

[reef basin]

people would value the games based on the price devs gave the game

[visual cosmos]

to be fair imo sales tend to make people spend money because they think they get a deal out of it

and personally when im getting something on sale i tend to look up the price history and see if it went down lower than that previously

best solution would be for the sale value to always be the same

[reef basin]

yeah but most of those people waited for the sale because they knew they can get it cheaper. Which wouldn't happen if the game had no-sale policy, then you'd either buy immediately or never

also sales actively hurt, because gray markets buy in bulk and then resell keys at higher price, making a free profit

[visual cosmos]

ja though you could always argue a sell raises awareness on the game, since creators tend to mention it when that happens

its a 5050 on whether its good or not imo

[reef basin]

you could also just send a free copy to a few influencers and get better reach and "free" advertising

(helps if you sponsor them)

[visual cosmos]

still cant figure out why steam and pretty much every store allows that

but eh

[reef basin]

because it's more effort to combat it than to leave it be

[visual cosmos]

imo they just need to have a way to mark down the price of the item when the key was bought, and if someone tries to redeem it while current price is higher make them pay the difference

(yes I dont buy keys)

but yeah I know that would probably hurt the store more than anything

[reef basin]

that would catch tons of false-positives

e.g. I'll buy a game for a friend on sale, send them the key
they redeem one day later (after sale ends), steam asks for money

[visual cosmos]

ja

they could also implement a system where you instantly buy the game for that friend, instead of getting a key and sending it

anyways

[paper star]

Professional yapper here

I think a big reason games on Steam go on sale quite frequently is because pirating is very easily accessible on PC. You may get an audience of pirating individuals to buy your game and own on Steam for 10 bucks when they might not have wanted to do so at 20 bucks. It also pushes people over the edge to buy the game at 10 that may have never done so at 20. Also, Steam gets a cut and is competing with Epic, GOG, etc., so they have incentive to convince players to buy from them instead, even if it means each player spends less. I'm sure they've run metrics and determined that sales either see more revenue or bring more users to the platform, or both, otherwise they wouldn't bother

Console games rarely see these because their audiences are locked in to their store platforms, so they can charge whatever they want knowing that people will pay the price, if the quality is there. Nintendo knows this of course so their shit is never on sale.

[reef basin]

afaik there was some research on it and it turns out that the amount of people that are "pirate, unless on sale" is VERY small

[visual cosmos]

console keys exist but they're a nightmare to use

[reef basin]

if people pirate games, they usually pirate no matter what is the cost

[visual cosmos]

since console tend to make the game regionlocked

when buying the key

[wanton stag]

How do I split stacks into custom amounts?

[tall lantern]

hold rightclick

[ashen belfry]

Steam does it that way more or less.
You choose your friend, send them the gift and they can accept the trade. However they never have to type the key. That's usually only for keys bought on key seller sites

[trim vine]

Potentially dumb question; I just realized my game is installed on my HDD and not an SDD, if I uninstall and reinstall to my SSD, my blueprints and save file should be fine, yeah?

[tall lantern]

yes, they're stored elsewhere

[peak wasp]

Wow

Biofuel goes hard

[trim vine]

which flavor?

[peak wasp]

Even in oil tech trees liquid biofuel exists it just keeps getting more and more efficient

[trim vine]

Had to be, as there is no way to fully "automate" it

LOVE it for the jetpack though

[peak wasp]

It went from leaves...to bio fuel...to solid biofuel to liquid biofuel

[peak wasp]

Not true...you can throw it into trucks

[trim vine]

Turbo burns too fast, fuel it mid, but liquid biofuel -chefs kiss-

[peak wasp]

That would be automated feeding it into a truck stop

[trim vine]

no no, just for jetpack purposes

[trim vine]

And you can automate everything up until you need to add in the raw biomass ingredients

[peak wasp]

true true

also can feed it into a biomass burner 😛

[honest oasis]

Anyone else wish there were an external blueprint builder not tied to actual game, maybe for Ipad/Phone/Android? Just me? Great way to tinker while not relying on steam to try and play remote and goodness, if Steam remote doesnt teach you patience nothing ever will.

[reef basin]

I feel that such an app would have to mimic like 80% of the game's building logic, at which point you'd be basically remaking the game, which just doesn't seem worth

[zenith pecan]

For pure design, just use an AGS save.

[young crest]

Do you guys build one mega base or multiple smaller factories and if yes whats your preffered way to connect them

[white dawn]

You'll find it's a mix. Personally I go multiple smaller factories (or more specifically: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency)

[young crest]

Im looking forward to converting the little factory next to my starter hub into a big factory ground with roads so i can transport goods around it (phase 3)

[white dawn]

Megafactories seem like the obvious choice to a lot of folks, but IMO they're actually much harder in the end

Still a good time if that's what you want to do, of course. :)

[zenith pecan]

I've often built monstrosities that swallow whole biomes.

My current power station kind of fills the blue crater and towers so high it's visible from anywhere on the world map.

[young crest]

Yeah i was gonna build a large base but not extremely big like ive seen by some people

Then ill connect the other factory like my steel factory and my rotor factory by trains or trucks once i unlock those

Thats also another reason for a big base is just for the road network to have a main connection point

I might not even use trains trucks seem alright enough

What do you guys usually use for transport?

[zenith pecan]

Mostly belts routed through subsurface tunnels.

[young crest]

Subsurface? How?

[zenith pecan]

Sec.

[zenith pecan]

Here's a primer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9T_ZlDv68

[white dawn]

Personally I'm fond of all the available logistics options (belts+pipes/vehicles/trains/drones). I use 'em all as the situation warrants

[zenith pecan]

There is a reason I became known as the tunnel rat 😄

[white dawn]

Obviously when progressing through the tiers I'm limited to whatever's currently unlocked

[zenith pecan]

This vid is truly ancient by gaming standards, but still demonstrates just how big my underground logistics get: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z08ziPYDOto

[young crest]

Looks good! Me personally i play without glitched but it seems really practical without ruining the environment

[zenith pecan]

My current maps network isn't as vast yet, but it's growing due to my gathering SAM ore, and plans to move all the uranium and bauxite.

[young crest]

I just use sam for tickets

Or coupons idk what theyre called

[prisma thicket]

Is it safe to run a single manifold of 16 coal gens with a line of 240 coal and 2-4 water lines?

[young crest]

Maybe

[white dawn]

The piping is the main thing. We tend to recommend folks stick to the 8:3 ratio of gens to extractors, and keep each of those pipe systems separate

[prisma thicket]

Yah, I prefer 2:1 gens to extractors (underclocked to 75%) to save power. So if I use 4 separate pipes of water with 2 extractors each, that should be fine then?

[unkempt blade]

factory carts.

[jovial crag]

train

[young crest]

Im gonna build a factory cart highway

Can the devs make hogs rideable please

[unkempt blade]

that's smart, because they really hate the ground 😄

[jovial crag]

imo, it would be cool to be able to transport nuclear waste in take cars

[young crest]

And ada too

[young crest]

My factory carts keep falling over

[unkempt blade]

I've been lobbying for a lizard doggo sled since like U5 and no luck yet 😦

[young crest]

I butcher lizard doggos…

They get in my way when building

Only one i like is called wiener and he brings me purple power slugs sometimes

[unkempt blade]

I tame them and put them in little glass enclosures

[azure swan]

Would be cool if there was a way to make a train track clip into tunnel gracefully but I can't think of one

[young crest]

I want my lizard doggos to run in a wheel as my power source

[unkempt blade]

now that there are portals we really need vehicle sized portals too for trains and other stuff

[zenith pecan]

I never managed, I use vertical shafts to take materials down into the network as shown at the start of the clip here #design-and-architecture message

[azure swan]

The core power source would be the berries you have to feed them. That's a rough resource to farm.

[young crest]

I got so many berries

Do you get resources refunded which are on the conveyor belt when you demolish it

[prisma thicket]

Yes

[jovial crag]

the auto snapping blueprint is going to make building my pipelines so much easier

my main oil pipeline I have to move half way across the map to my main base because thats where my refinery setup is

though I might make a another facility for my refinery's near the power plant

(im still running off coal)

💀

if i attempt to start up my refinery's my power grid would crash

[tawny urchin]

Why is there an input hole on the alien power augmenter? Is there something supposed to go inside it?

[jovial crag]

I'm not quite to that stage but is that a power production method?

[tawny urchin]

Yeah it boosts power on a grid

[jovial crag]

I would think it takes a type of fuel

[prisma thicket]

You can feed it synthetic sloops to boost it's boost

[tawny urchin]

But it’s boosting stuff without me putting anything in

[tawny urchin]

Ah thanks

[jovial crag]

like it needs to be recharged every once in a while

oh

that makes more sense

[prisma thicket]

Item is called Alien Power Matrix, it's the last item in the MAM on the Somersloop side. Requires Tier 9 tech.

[jovial crag]

ah

[prisma thicket]

Welp, now that I have 3000 MW of coal power, I should probably get my steel production online lol

[jovial crag]

I have so many coal power plants im at 20,000 MW

I'm trying to get to nuclear ASAP

[prisma thicket]

Very nice xD

[marble tinsel]

3000 off of coal? damn how many gens is that

[prisma thicket]

40

[marble tinsel]

sheesh

[jovial crag]

I have a ton more

[prisma thicket]

All fed by 3 coal nodes too, nice and easy. 2 Normal, 1 Impure, all overclocked to 200%

[marble tinsel]

I got 8 gens setup rn and attached it to my iron factories but I think ima need more gens when I make my copper/concrete/steel factory (only temp stuff)

[zenith pecan]

I went a little nuts with rocket fuel, it seems nuclear is optional as a result: #satisfactory-experimental message

[jovial crag]

im not preducing nearly enough coal to power my power plants

but they are all running

my power grid spikes a bunch though

[prisma thicket]

Because you're not producing enough coal xD

[young crest]

Whats the suicide button if i build too much conveyor spaghetti

[prisma thicket]

Should always try to match your production to consumption for generators.

[jovial crag]

when I go nuclear I'm doing 200+ reactors, and 6 emergency processing plants in case of a back up

that will mean with all that waste i'll need a ton of partical accelerators

[marble tinsel]

I made a really large platform and just have like a ton of machines for my iron factory on it cause I feel like doing it by layers is a lot more work with just walking everywhere even though it might be better

• I feel like these farms will have to be updated in the future unless basic resources like plates, rods, screws are required throughout the game 🤔

[lime ermine]

It does that, the item that goes in makes it boost even more

[prisma thicket]

That sounds like a helluva lot of work, too much for me personally.

[marble tinsel]

I was able to get one coal node setup to 8 but I was struggling to set that up 😂

[jovial crag]

its going to take forever but it will be worth it

[lime ermine]

Oh they are buddy, I'm currently in tier 8 making over 1000 screws a minute for a single item

[marble tinsel]

oh boy

[prisma thicket]

Rods, plates, screws, wire, cable, concrete, steel beams, steel pipes all get used a ton in later recipes.

[lime ermine]

I hate building hmf factories

[jovial crag]

I just blew myself up

[marble tinsel]

I think I will probably make the factory go by layers later down the line cause Im not a big fan of a giant platform

[jovial crag]

💀

[marble tinsel]

cause I do see that I unlock better belts and miners and stuff like that down the line

[lime ermine]

That's how I'm doing it, it looks pretty cool if you add some windows

[marble tinsel]

someone also recommended to find hard drives and get alt recipes which are good

[lime ermine]

Some are

It depends on what you want to use

[marble tinsel]

I found two but they require power to open up the harddrive pod which I barely had until recently

[jovial crag]

imo, the fastest way to excavate a forest is with nobalisks

[lime ermine]

For example rn I'm using tons of oil, so for circuit boards which need oil I used an alt that uses quartz instead

[prisma thicket]

Alt recipes are great. Some make better use of base resources, others consume more but offer much faster production, like bolted Iron Plates, produces 15 reinforced Iron plates per minute per assembler, but uses more screws and plates than the standard recipe.

[distant pilot]

I wonder how much harder the game is if you use zero alternate recipes

No diluted fuel, no steel screw/rod/plate, no insulated cable or fused quickwire

[prisma thicket]

It's not necessarily harder, just takes more time.

[distant pilot]

Well yea

[marble tinsel]

In the grassy plains starting area there is a 3 node normal iron cluster which I made a factory from which makes

• Plates, Rods, Screws from one node
• Reinforced Iron plates, Rotors, Smart plating from another node
• Modular Frames from the third node

[distant pilot]

No solid steel either

[marble tinsel]

Is it an efficient farm? eh not really but its getting the job done and it makes a lot of stuff while I do other things

[distant pilot]

I just siphon basic parts from the production of more advanced parts

[prisma thicket]

That sounds like exactly the kind of early setup you want to make your life easier going forward. You can always go back and rework it later to be more efficient or produce more of the things you need.

[distant pilot]

So rods for screws will split into storage until it’s full, same with plates for reinforced plates

[marble tinsel]

yeah at first I had belts coming from impure nodes like a billion miles away which was a pain to deal with so this is so much better

especially not needing to farm leaves/trees for biofuel anymore

[lime ermine]

Just got steel screws, amazing recipe

So much easier to make screws in bulk

[gilded saffron]

I need help...train signals....

[marble tinsel]

Maybe I can leave my game running overnight while I sleep and wake up to a lot of resources that way 🤔

[lime ermine]

I did that in phase 1

[prisma thicket]

I prefer cast screws personally, same resources just takes out one step in production.

[lime ermine]

Make a post in #1038092680493801533

[gilded saffron]

thanks

[lime ermine]

I don't have it

😞

[prisma thicket]

Cast Screws and Iron wire are 2 alt recipes I always look for early. Then once you get steel stuff like Iron Pipe, Molded Beams and Solid Steel Ingots are really great to get the most bang for your buck resource wise. With Iron wire, Iron Pipe and Steel Rotors you can make a super efficient little Iron only motor factory that'll make later game motor requirements easier to handle, and can help you with setting up trains too.

[lime ermine]

What's iron wire

[prisma thicket]

Let's you make wire out of iron ingots instead of copper, which frees up copper for other stuff like fused quickwire and copper sheets.

[lime ermine]

Oh cool

That would have been nice before I needed 450 copper a minute for cables

[prisma thicket]

Iron being one of the most plentiful resources, it makes sense to use it for as much as you can in any given production line, makes you less restricted in locations you can setup factories since you don't need to be as close to as many varied resources. Once you get reliable transport (or just get comfortable making belt highways) location becomes even less of an issue.

[tawny urchin]

How much power does a flood light tower use? I can’t see it anywhere

[dusky relic]

Im going crazy trying to get the logistics to be correct

[prisma thicket]

That might be one you want to look up on the wiki I think.

[marble tinsel]

I finished scanning a hard drive and two options came up

• 10 iron plates 20 wire for 3 reinforced iron plate
• 20 iron ingots for 5 iron pipe which looks like steel pipe to me?

[prisma thicket]

Both of those are good recipes, though I'd take Iron Pipe first over Stitched Iron Plate

[dense violet]

yup. 2 useful recipes

iron wire + stitched plate is a good combo

[loud quail]

iron pipe is a game changer

[dense violet]

eh, iron pipe was a poor design choice. But people like it.

[prisma thicket]

Iron Wire + Stitched Plates is an amazing combo

[sturdy mural]

guys help i cant jump

[marble tinsel]

hmm I feel like the current method I have to make reinforced iron plate is a lot longer than producing steel 🤔

[prisma thicket]

I like Iron Pipe personally, saves you on coal, especially when you combine it with other recipes like encased Industrial Pipe

[dense violet]

did you alt tab out?

[sturdy mural]

yeah

but re-presing alt or tab doesnt fix

like i can still insert a space so

[prisma thicket]

Go with whichever one you think you'll get more use out of.

[sturdy mural]

did i get glued to the floor 😔

[dense violet]

yeah, but it's one of the recipes in the chain that can cut steel from the world chain.
plus apparently there were people in the 1.0 beta going 'they've made things too easy' and this would have definitely been in that pile

[dense violet]

you're never locked out of getting recipes. get what's usefuil now

[prisma thicket]

That's fair, though I don't think the game is "too easy" I think they just pushed the difficulty further along the line. Steel was always easy, so simplifying that one item isn't that big a deal imo.

[sturdy mural]

i rebound the jump to 9 and it works.

[viral olive]

how many items per minute do you guys produce

[marble tinsel]

Hmm two very hard choices

[prisma thicket]

What Cobalt said is correct, there are more hard drives in the game than you need to get all the alt recipes and do all the MAM research, so snapping up a good recipe when you find it is never a bad idea.

[sturdy mural]

depends on what do you produce and what do you need it for

[viral olive]

for like general storage

[sturdy mural]

like for building and stuff?

[marble tinsel]

O there are a lot of hard drives to find ok that makes things easier 😂

[viral olive]

yeah

[sturdy mural]

i'm quite slow so i'm fine with 30/m with a container buffer

[distant pilot]

Satisfactory is only easy if you don’t suffer from analysis paralysis somehow

[prisma thicket]

I like to produce lots of stuff so I can sink it all and get that points graph going early xD