satisfactory

[austere crag]

I got lots

[slate magnet]

you need even more

[austere crag]

The concrete is not the problem

[slate magnet]

concrete is always the problem

[dawn idol]

which one

I love trains 😄

since its permanant infrastructure ones u set it up

[grizzled lotus]

what are sushi lines? I'm familiar with spaghetti from factorio

[dawn idol]

unlike other ways, you just need to set it up 1 time, and then you can use it for future

[dawn idol]

all times on 1 belt

that goes in a circle

[zenith pecan]

Example of Sushi from my old save #design-and-architecture message

[austere crag]

If I manage to finish phase 3 with my spaghetti factory Im cracked

[slate magnet]

you can always go to another area and start again

[grizzled lotus]

ok, I think I get it. they look cool though

I'm tempted to dismantle everything and build again. what do you guys think?

[austere crag]

Same

I want everything metal related separated from the steel stuff

[wicked nacelle]

until you have tier 5 belts and tier 3 miners it's not worth it - however you rebuild it it still won't be ideal

[slate magnet]

do it after unlocking aluminum and tier 5 belts, yeah

[dawn idol]

but why

just build stuff somewhere else instead

[grizzled lotus]

Yeah I know it won't be ideal. I kind of have this thing where I like to rebuild once I get a few milestones

it's kind of fun. sometimes if it takes too long, not really

[wicked nacelle]

if you have some nice pure nodes with crap on top of them it can be useful to redo it

[grizzled lotus]

I think the major thing I'd do is now have hypertubes going to my different mini-factories

[slate magnet]

because reching aluminum is easy, even with spaghetti belts. And tier 5 is a huge upgrade to the whole factory

[dawn idol]

I hate spaghetti 😡

[wicked nacelle]

You could, but just put a hypertube launcher at each and then you can go directly to anywhere you want - make a blueprint and you're done

[grizzled lotus]

ok

I think I'll reformat a minifactory or two, and just have my hub be a hub for hypertubes

[wicked nacelle]

they look cool, but even if I had them I'd never use them

[dawn idol]

what is a good amount of hmf btw? im doing the super complex way to do it, and wondering what would be the reccomended amount of hmf that would make it so I would not need to expand my hmf factory?

[grizzled lotus]

why do I need a blueprint for hypertubes? it's literally two different pieces

[wicked nacelle]

20 is a nice number for end game

[wicked nacelle]

I have one for a full hypertube launcher -- so I can put one down in 5 seconds

[dawn idol]

tbh its really impressive how effective you can be if u go minmax on effecticy

for 22hmf, you only need 10 concrete normal nodes+4 oil patches+5water+6iron nodes

*for t2 miners

[wicked nacelle]

4 oil patches?

[dawn idol]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

that's an insane amount of oil

[dawn idol]

thats only like 400oil

ill prob max overclock them to miniumise how many I need

so thats like 1 pure node

[wicked nacelle]

I guess I don't know what you mean by an oil patch if it's only 400 oil. Oh. Yeah, I guess I don't even think about non-overclocked oil

[dawn idol]

ah yes non overclocked and normal rarity lol

[wicked nacelle]

but... the amount of recycled plastic/rubber you can make from 400 oil is still... a LOT.

[dawn idol]

also petrolium coke

[slate magnet]

petroleum coke is delicious for aliminum

[wicked nacelle]

I don't think I've ever used that in a game

[dawn idol]

or steel

[dawn idol]

yeah it makes it a lot more complex

[wicked nacelle]

oil is WAY too valuable for me to have ever considered replacing coal and iron with it.

but whatever 🙂

maybe I should try it just for jiggles

[dawn idol]

im unlikely to use it all anyway

id only be worried about it if i was overbuilding and making omega giga factories

[slate magnet]

also oil can be used by itself to make computers

[dawn idol]

heavily reducing the need to make steel from iron alike is imo worth it.... the logistics for the amount of iron is a bit oof

[lament niche]

hmmm?

[dawn idol]

it was like 3x-4x more iron if I did not use oil products

[slate magnet]

sorry, oil and copper or iron or caterium

[wicked nacelle]

I guess I've never thought "wow, that's just too much iron, wherever will I find it?"

[slate magnet]

combine either oil with any of those and you make a lot of computers

[wicked nacelle]

a pure node gets me 3000 iron ingots/m

[dawn idol]

lol fair a pure only gets me like 700?

for me rn

[slate magnet]

add some water to it

[wicked nacelle]

But then why are you building that many HMF if you're early in the game

[dawn idol]

to prep for future?

[wicked nacelle]

The future gives you better tools to build with

[gritty marsh]

#satisfactory-experimental message anyone know a way around this happening?

[dawn idol]

ik hmf are used a lot for higher quality machines anyway

[slate magnet]

think about the future after you finish phase 5 of the tutorial

[dawn idol]

xd

if I find myself in need of oil later on whatever I can rework it, its only like 1-2 nodes of oil

[shrewd palm]

i think you get everything you need to make a lot when you get oil, so not that early

[dawn idol]

I dont feel like its a waste when its only 1-2 nodes of oil

[slate magnet]

no. The correct answe is belt mk.5

[slate magnet]

don't worry about it as you can always rebuild later

[wicked nacelle]

okay, but I look at that as "1000 plastic/m being lost to save some iron"

but sure, you can always just go find some more oil somewhere else 🙂 I'm just lazy and usually stick with the first oil area or two I find - which necessitates using the oil for stuff that needs oil

[dawn idol]

lol fair

if I want lots of oil to use ill go to the north area

[wicked nacelle]

between power and plastic/rubber I'm completely saturated on that left side island splotch. I didn't go nuclear this game though so it's a bunch of rocket fuel

[dawn idol]

I wanna try out nuclear tbh

[wicked nacelle]

nuclear is super fun but I've done it... 10 times now?

[dawn idol]

but yeah ill still need to make a fuel setup as a inbetween

[dawn idol]

farthest I got was setting up a fuel plant but that was before fuel gens got buffed

[wicked nacelle]

regular fuel burners can get you to nuclear pretty easily

[dawn idol]

and that was before bps

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I figured I'd try it with the new burners. It's boring as hell but it works 🙂

1.1 blueprint autoconnect works AWESOME on fuel burner blueprints. About the only useful thing.

[dawn idol]

yeah will need to increase fuel gens pretty soon, prob before I turn on this next project

[wicked nacelle]

make sure you're on the lookout for diluted fuel

[dawn idol]

thats later on lol

not t7

[wicked nacelle]

you can get packaged diluted fuel earlier. It's just as efficient just takes a little packaging setup thingy

I think that's a space elevator setup earlier? could be wrong

[dawn idol]

no you get it at t7

[wicked nacelle]

wiki says t5

[dawn idol]

oh you mean packaged

[wicked nacelle]

you can get packaged diluted fuel earlier. It's just as efficient just takes a little packaging setup thingy

[dawn idol]

ima wait for t7 to do with mixer

[muted elm]

looking for someone to start a world together and use mics if anyones interested

[azure swan]

It is a bit odd that you get packaged diluted before you get diluted.

[dawn idol]

#1201555265942724758

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[wicked nacelle]

why so? You mean the alt recipe? It's because you don't have the building for diluted fuel until later

[muted elm]

thanks

[dawn idol]

it is kinda weird they different alternates tho

[azure swan]

Imagine saying IRL "Yes, I know how to make a lunchbox with a sandwich in it, but I have no fuckin idea how to make a sandwich"

You can make a thing and put it in a package, before you can make the thing all by itself.

[wicked nacelle]

I'll see about joining once you post - though I've had bad luck recently

[muted elm]

once I post?

[wicked nacelle]

to the LFG channel I meant

[dawn idol]

been dabling in satifactory+ and mannn I wish there was a calculator I could use LOL

[wicked nacelle]

does it work with 1.0?

[vapid compass]

anyone available to run me over in multiplayer for the achievement?

[dawn idol]

it just got updated like a week ago boi

so yeah it does now

[wicked nacelle]

can't you do it yourself?

[vapid compass]

if you can i wasn't aware, how do you run yourself over?

[wicked nacelle]

program a truck

[dawn idol]

u set up a automated truck thing

[whole ermine]

Do you need batteries for any buildings or are they just for drones

otherwise im not manufacturing them

[vapid compass]

ah, never did anything with trucks and paths, ill try that ty, hte achieve says in multiplayer so wasn't thinking it was achievable solo

[wicked nacelle]

they are no longer needed for anything

[vapid compass]

thanks

[dawn idol]

dont u need for super computers?

[wicked nacelle]

rocket fuel works great for drones and is much simpler to set up IMHO

[whole ermine]

thats an alt recipe

[wicked nacelle]

batteries were removed as a requirement for anything in 1.0 -- honestly I don't know why they even kept them. It would have made more sense to just remove them as an object

[dawn idol]

ah

[dawn idol]

to power drones I guess

[wicked nacelle]

it's not even really that good at that

[dawn idol]

are they not?

[wicked nacelle]

they're fine but there's easier stuff to do it just as well so why would you

[whole ermine]

package turbofuel is like the best bang for buck

[dawn idol]

I have never got to drones yet so idk what u can power them with

lmao

[wicked nacelle]

bascially any fuel

[wicked nacelle]

I just feed them whatever I'm using for power - my current game I just use rocket fuel because I'm making it anyhow

[dawn idol]

so nuclear?

[wicked nacelle]

yep

[dawn idol]

😉

[wicked nacelle]

no kap

plutonium fuel rods are a great fuel for drones

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone

[whole ermine]

doesnt it delete the waste too

[wicked nacelle]

yes

[whole ermine]

wait so what are all the aluminium products?

things you need aluminum for

mk5 belts, RCUs, and fused frames?

[wicked nacelle]

alclad

[vapid compass]

lol thanks the autodriving truck running me over was legit pretty funny

[whole ermine]

i said mk5 belts mhm

[wicked nacelle]

alclad has other uses

[whole ermine]

looking at the recipe, superposition oscillators need them too

heat sinks

cooling systems

[vapid compass]

you'll needa bout 10x more aluminum casings than you expect youll need

[wicked nacelle]

yep. stupid casings.... need sooo mannnnyy ycassssings

[whole ermine]

for what

[wicked nacelle]

go look up what uses casings AND how many casings they use

[dawn idol]

wait a sec, I never knew it also effected speed lol

[whole ermine]

oh

oh no...

[dawn idol]

how likely r you to die from nuclear drones XD

[vapid compass]

casings are like screws, they take up lots of conveyor space so moving around large qty takes time to fill constructors and there are lots of recipes that craft fast that need a lot of them

[wicked nacelle]

drones don't do radioactive flyby's like trains do

[dawn idol]

wait fr?

👀

[wicked nacelle]

no but your fuel source for them will still radiate an area

[whole ermine]

they go uppies too

[wicked nacelle]

but, at your nuclear plant you're already going to haev radiation so they work great for sending drones out to get low-volume parts

just bootstrap it with the human station wagon once 🙂

[vapid compass]

best thing i ever did was make a synthetic fabric refinery -> both filter types into dimensional depots.
I just wear my suit around everywhere

[wicked nacelle]

I wish there was a very obvious low filter warning though since it doesn't use them from DD

[vapid compass]

ive came close before but never ran out, i usually pull out a couple stacks (50) whenever im playing in the sand

went afk and came back with like 10 remaining lol

[wicked nacelle]

if you're mired in radiation you don't have enough time to realize what's going on and restock from DD before you're dead

[vapid compass]

yea, the rads are pretty high at my plant area, i can't imagine running out of filters there

also fun to accidentally pick up a fuel rod off the conveyor when you're not expecting it

or a waste barrel

[wicked nacelle]

and then of course sometimes the game doesn't register you putting it down...

[vapid compass]

yea, thats a quick save and reload to get rid of that issue. before i had my synthetic fabric setup i used up like 40 filters once before i realized what was going on

[wicked nacelle]

I think if you pick up something radioactive and put it down that it will sometimes fix it, as well

[prisma thicket]

can someone tell me why Satisfactory tools and Satisfactory calculator are giving me different input requirements when I ask for the same output? The difference is like 25 ore per minute

[wicked nacelle]

what output did you ask it for?

[prisma thicket]

3 manuefacturers of heavy encased frames, so 8.4375 per minute

[whole ermine]

why are there 6 trains deadlocked in my base

bruh why

[fallow needle]

Any news on release date for console?

[wicked nacelle]

toosl doesn't seem to know how many steel beams are needed for an encased beam

it needs 3 but tools seems to htink it needs 4

[prisma thicket]

Funnily enough I'm not using steal beams, Iron Pipe, Encased Steel Pipes, Wet Concrete, Cast Screws and Heavy Encased frames are the alt recipes I'm making use of

[wicked nacelle]

ah, well I'm not going to plug all that in and look again, but it seems tools is incorrect with a similar recipe

[prisma thicket]

another oddity with your findings, tools was the one that wanted less iron ore xD I guess just got with calculator?

[wicked nacelle]

weird

[frozen summit]

anyone know a way to get rid of the annoying window reflections? i cant see thru half of the window because of the skybox reflection, even indoors, which makes no sense

[left totem]

genuine questions guys, how do you sleep at night without wanting to go piss ?

like after 5 mins I always want to go piss idk what to do

[mortal ginkgo]

[dawn idol]

???

[left totem]

like when I try to sleep, 5 mins after I've entered my bed I want to go take a piss, so I take a piss, and then the cycle continues

[vapid compass]

maybe drinking too much before bed
could be urinary tract infection, guy or girl? utis less common for guys, theres lots of reason that can cause urinary frequency

[random shore]

hello all, Im happy to share my love for this game with other hopelessly addicted players

[mortal ginkgo]

I didnt start playing let but watching tons of playthroughs... As a DSP 2k hour player I am tempted...

[left totem]

I drink one/two glasses of water in the 2 hours before going to bed, and I'm a guy

I find keeping the piss in me annoying to fall asleep

[vapid compass]

well, maybe try not doing that so close to bedtime

just to test to see if thats the reason

[left totem]

I'll try only one now because before going to bed, which is generally 4 hours after dinner, I take bread to make myself less hungry to go to sleep, but that makes me dehydrated

[wicked nacelle]

If you urgently need to pee but don’t actually have a full bladder you need to see a dr

Anyhow that’s enough about that 🙂

[left totem]

nah like, I'm fine all of the time but can't fall asleep if I feel it

[random shore]

i just had to chime in, could be a symptom of like someone had mentioned, a UTI. which can quickly turn into a kidney infection which can be dangerous. this happened to my girlfriend last year. not trying to make you worry, just sharing an experience.

[left totem]

imma talk to relatives about to see what they think about it thanks guys

[tiny river]

Guys, how many freight cars can a single locomotive pull?

[wicked nacelle]

On flat ground there’s no limit

Up hills it depends on the grade and the train weight

[tiny river]

1m grade

[wicked nacelle]

You can always put more engines on the back if you have a proper non-push/pull rail system

[tiny river]

7 fully loaded freigh cars

Can I get away with 1 locomotive for that you think?

[green fiber]

!wikisearch freight+car

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=freight+car

[wicked nacelle]

I think it’s likely but like I said just put an engine at the back if you need it. It won’t change your freight setups

[tiny river]

It'll mess with my station layout

[green fiber]

check the "weight" section on that page

[tiny river]

So hopefully without

[wicked nacelle]

Make your rail proper two track setups and it shouldn’t affect your stations

And if you have a push pull setup then you already have two engines right?

[tiny river]

Using 2 track

[wicked nacelle]

Then why would it mess up your station layout? Genuinely curious

[tiny river]

I'd have to extend the platforms since the entrance connects to multiple in serise with very sharp turns

So all that track would have to be redone

[wicked nacelle]

Oh. I make sure never to do that because I usually have to add additional trains to a stop for throughput purposes. So I always have a trains worth of track before my stations for only that station. Usually 2-3 trains saturates a station (obviously depending on distance)

[tiny river]

Yeah

And the floor I'm putting these trains on is a bit small

So hopefully don't need that extra loco

I'm so good at forthough :)

[wicked nacelle]

Build vertical including with trains 🙂

[tiny river]

Oh hell no

[wicked nacelle]

Helixes are awesome. You can put a station (or set of stations)per 360 of the helix

[tiny river]

they scare me

[wicked nacelle]

Though a helix takes up quite a bit of room too

[vapid compass]

if you saw my train in my first save it would scare you

[wicked nacelle]

I think everybody’s first train setup was about the same scary

[tiny river]

this is kinda what I'm dealing with #design-and-architecture message

tight space

[wicked nacelle]

One of the big mental breakthroughs of this game is not being afraid of verticality. Another is just not being afraid of building big. Like people say “particle accels are so big” but no they’re not. Just put down more foundation and walls and they’re exactly the same as any other building

[turbid ledge]

What in the hypertube

[turbid ledge]

Foundation? Wall? These words are foreign to me

See that patch of grass yea that looks good

[wicked nacelle]

Dunno looks like you could move your station entrance signal back a train car to me 🙂 but maybe it’s just not quite enough.

But I think you’ll be fine. Could probably do 2m grade slowly

I’d move it back regardless to get trains behind you moving sooner.

I also put them in the middle of stations for the same purpose.

[tiny river]

Train s are fun but scary

[wicked nacelle]

Super fun. They are the perfect balance of functionality and challenge. Glad they made rail building less tedious in 1.1

This is unlike trucks which are annoying and not worth the effort. A poor balance.

[grizzled lotus]

I just reached phase 3. Is smart plating no longer required?

[wicked nacelle]

Every phase uses the parts from the previous which includes parts from the previous which includes….

But you’ll get a bunch of new tech to make making them much easier. Don’t worry about scaling up that production until you need it — when you’re done with your HUB research thingies

[grizzled lotus]

oh, I see

[wicked nacelle]

So to beat the game you need a crap ton of them. (Also start saving up two industrial storages of crates of iron plates -just trust me)

[tiny river]

For what lol

[wicked nacelle]

When you get there you’ll be like “dang that xaxxon guy was awesome”. Also cables. Probably 4 industrial containers of cables. By the time you need them you’ll just have them all sitting pretty waiting for you

[tiny river]

What is it man

[wicked nacelle]

Something you will be very excited for (or at least should be) but then pissed at the dumb ass requirement

[tiny river]

Nuclear?

[wicked nacelle]

Cables are for one of the elevator parts that eventually you need a stupid number of things that need a stupid number of thi no s that need a stupid number of cables

[wicked nacelle]

Not telling 🙂

[tiny river]

Bro tf

[wicked nacelle]

You can look through the tech tree stuff if you really want to find out early. The thing I’m referring to isn’t subtle 🙂

[junior laurel]

I'm reading this as the Depots. . . because they're a game changer

[vapid compass]

my blind playthrough it was fun to unlock stuff and figure things out. just when i thought the game couldn't get better, it did, multiple times

[reef basin]

wdym?

[reef basin]

did you select any alternate recipes?

[prisma thicket]

I did, I have 5 alt recipes in use

[reef basin]

tools don't "force" use of the selected recipes, they choose recipes from the selected set that leads to most resource saving

while SCIM just blindly uses the recipes you select (and if you select multiple for one item, it just semi-randomly uses one of them)

so this should explain the difference - Tools picked different recipes to save you on iron 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

if you'd actually looked you'd see that's not the case

[reef basin]

what is not the case?

[prisma thicket]

I noticed, I have more than 5 set as available but it's only using 5

[wicked nacelle]

go look at the tools and put in the effort before blindly saying random things that don't apply

plug in what I said I did and you can see for yourself

[reef basin]

what?
I literally made that website, I would say I should know how it works

[wicked nacelle]

"that website" - we were talking about two of them

did you make both?

[reef basin]

you said "go look at the tools"

[prisma thicket]

He made satisfactory tools

[wicked nacelle]

yes, there are two tools

[reef basin]

Tools is the website I made

the other one is called "calculator"

[wicked nacelle]

they are both tools. Jesus go get a dictionary first

[reef basin]

it's quite common to refer to SCIM as "calculator" and to SFTools as "tools" here

[wicked nacelle]

then check out both tools

[brisk glade]

does there happen to be a vanilla way to make a half ramp? like a half foundation but a ramp

[reef basin]

so what's the problem? What did I say wrong?

[wicked nacelle]

there are many missing foundation types

[tiny river]

Not sure if I'll get that far into the game lol

[reef basin]

because Tools indeed selects recipes from the given set to save you on resources, and SCIM indeed uses whatever recipes you select

[brisk glade]

yea but ive so far been able to do clipping to make do, was just wondering if there was an iffy way to make one but i guess not

[wicked nacelle]

go look at the recipe your tool generates and you'll see it's just wrong. Not "did it a different way". It's just flat out wrong. I did the work you can too

[reef basin]

share a link to the "wrong" production line please

[wicked nacelle]

No thanks. I plugged it in by hand from the conversation that you were quoting so you can too

[reef basin]

it's the easiest way for me the see what's going on

[wicked nacelle]

and I don't have it up anymore, so I'm not doing your work for you to fix your buggy app

[junior laurel]

[reef basin]

what "recipe" are you talking about?

[wicked nacelle]

THE ONE IN THE TEXT THAT YOU QUOTED FROM

You found it before you can find it again

I'm done.

[reef basin]

it literally says 3 though?

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/codex/items/encased-industrial-beam

[oblique hound]

probably still on U8 tools

[reef basin]

ah yeah the "buggy app" that tells you to switch version 🤔

and xaxxon complains about it being wrong when they didn't switch

[rancid turret]

the lesson here is to double check your shit before bringing it up, and be polite when you do so

if the up to date tools really did have a wrong value in it I'm pretty fucking sure greeny would want to know and be thankful you told him

[static gyro]

gonna restart satisfactory with a friend later today, havent finished the main game by myslef but yup lmao

[reef basin]

(I wouldn't mind if they just posted link saying it's wrong, sometimes people double-check everything and still miss the mistake they made, or there's a legit problem with Tools, so if you feel like you found a bug, feel free to post it, I get "bug reports" pretty much daily, and while most of the time it's just people missing stuff, I don't mind, and you shouldn't feel bad for missing things. But I'd expect some decent attitude at least 🙂 )

[rancid turret]

my man makes this shit in his own time on his own dime, it's not right to act entitled to anyone who makes such helpers (tools, calculator, modeller etc). this also goes for the satisfactory developers; paying for the game doesn't give you the right to yell at the people making it

[reef basin]

anyway, back on topic - I hope with the information I've provided, you realised where the difference happens? if there's more questions or you suspect an issue, feel free to ping/DM me

[rancid turret]

@reef basin there was one time i thought tools was miscounting buildings when it was me who couldn't read

[brisk glade]

okay so i found a way to make a half ramp, its not the greatest but it works. turns out you can place ramp walls literally ANYWHERE on a pillar, so if u place one under where you want the half ramp to go and place a bunch of ramp walls side by side on the pillar, you can get a ramp of pretty much any width

[reef basin]

yeah I get "bug reports" like these a lot 🙂 I don't really mind, at least I know that I'd get reports of actual bugs when/if they happen 🤷

[rancid turret]

interesting

[brisk glade]

yea its a little off color from what i wanted but it works. can i post screenshots here?

[rancid turret]

only in #screenshots

[brisk glade]

k

[rancid turret]

but you can link to posts

[reef basin]

depends what you want to post

if you have a question about something, use #1038092680493801533
if you have a math related query, #math-and-meta
if you want to talk about design, #design-and-architecture
if you want to share a pic of your base and have others look at it (without discussion), #screenshots
if you want to share fan art, #fan-art
for memes there's #satisfactory-memes
for non-meme offtopic things there's #off-topic-media

[turbid ledge]

I have come to realize that i hate the truck and its black magic

[dawn idol]

IM pretty sure 90% of people here have not finished the game

[oblique hound]

I have 2100 hrs across three accounts and have still not finished the game

(phase 4 in early access / finishing project assembly in 1.0 is my metric)

[dawn idol]

200 hours for me lol

[oblique hound]

i... take my time.
-# yeah lets put it that way...

[grizzled lotus]

I'm getting swamped

I'm at phase 5. is that normal

[naive pendant]

@grizzled lotus Phase 4, 5 is a lot especially if you skip steps earlier on. So quite normal.

[grizzled lotus]

building more coal generators is trying

[tranquil ibex]

Congratulations on growing up as a person, realizing that trucks aren't worth the effort is an important step in every pioneer's life

[wicked nacelle]

except as one person learned earlier -- for getting the achievement of getting hit by a truck

[turbid ledge]

Oh dont worry i plan to spam 16 tractors one of them will make it eventually

[oblique hound]

truck pros:
they look cool

truck cons:
everything else imaginable

i somehow still make the mistake of thinking that that one pro outweighs the cons, and get a massive headache trying to make it work 🙃

[sharp trellis]

reading is too hard in 2025, just click skip skip, then blame the maker

😂

[turbid ledge]

I love making the most perfect path ever just for it too clip on some random tree

That it for some reason swerved into

[wicked nacelle]

didn't they fix it so it will just warp back to the path? I saw something about that

or was that only if it fell through the earth or off a cliff?

[junior laurel]

I might make a truck deliver all the nuclear waste simply because the amount of danger is wonderful

[wicked nacelle]

Just hand it to your doggo... and then murder it

and then go find another best friend

repeat

[junior laurel]

I murder them on site anyway... soo

[sharp trellis]

seriously we need a new alternative recipe that instead of sinking the rods, we recycle the waste fuel back to plutonium or something else, like in the new "thorium reactors"

[oblique hound]

gotta find 4.8 doggos per minute now, i heard there is a pure node in spire coast though

[turbid ledge]

Funny enough i just killed 3 cause they got in the way of my project

[sharp trellis]

it would be really nice for gameplay purposes too

another tier of complexity for the nuclear energy

[oblique hound]

!wikisearch plutonium

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=plutonium

[turbid ledge]

You want to make me suffer dont you

[junior laurel]

Ikea moment

[digital depot]

hi ,..

all Train fanactics i got a first time setup and could need some help please ,...

posted in Question and help 😄

[floral rivet]

i need some help with my power grid

i can make about 400 MGW and even if my coal gens can support the consumption it still shuts down

why is this?

I need more power generation than my water pipes can support

any solutions?

[shrewd palm]

use more pipes

i highly doubt that one machine is going to use more than 300 water/min

[wicked nacelle]

however much water you think you need, multiply it by 5.... then double it

blueprints are great for running water -- doubly so in 1.1 where you can usually get some of them to autoconnect so you can see the range between the stacking poles

[floral rivet]

i got rid of just barley enough consumption to have it run

now i start making copper things for the pipes

[shrewd palm]

each generator takes 15 coal/min and 45 water/min

as long as you stick to that you'll be fine

[wicked nacelle]

If you want to make the system a little more resilient you can keep one or two of the generators off your main power circuit and only use that power to run your water extractors and coal miners. But that's a little complicated for some new players

or maybe just set an every-15 minute timer and check your power every time it rings 🙂

[floral rivet]

(:

cant wait till i get batterys so i can use them as capacitors

[wicked nacelle]

yep, but the game calls that "power storage" and the item called "batteries" can't be used to power your grid

[floral rivet]

i mean

power storage

[wicked nacelle]

Yep, just wanted to make sure you weren't working towards the wrong thing 🙂 The names and the build process are dumb

power storage is super easy to make, batteries are like.. mid-late game. And power storage doesn't use batteries - nor many of the components that go into batteries

[floral rivet]

alr done with the 2nd layer of pipes

time to connect the rest

its fmmmfing working yay 😄

now to rework my main iron factory to look better

.... R.I.P me (i already have 2 braincells i dont need to lose more)

[storm grail]

Hi I played satisfactory a little bit and found it very fun but it was an early access edition and I do not have it anymore should I get full edition

[floral rivet]

ofc yes

[floral rivet]

i wish i didnt have severe short term memory loss (induced by shorts, DO NOT WATCH SHORTS)

[wicked nacelle]

it's just more of the same but it's pretty polished and fun... if you like use A to get B use B to get C use C to get D there is no E game over kind of games. But there's a little bit of story connecting the parts

[turbid ledge]

I just realized there was a secondary fire keybind

Yea under the building section in keybinds there something called secondary fire

[wicked nacelle]

errr, how did you blow up a nobelisk?

[turbid ledge]

I use left mouse button why

[wicked nacelle]

left mouse button doesn't detonate

it pulls out another one

[turbid ledge]

What does nobelisk have to with building though

[wicked nacelle]

no clue

[turbid ledge]

this game confuses me more everyday

[wicked nacelle]

It's probably just a mistake that it got put there

satisfactory UI is very slapdash

things like what keys do what in which menu seems to change and such. but better the UI is wonky than the game is wonky

[turbid ledge]

Wacky

[floral rivet]

satisfactory can be a building/chilling game and a horror game

[craggy valley]

Can anyone tell me where the coral is? This is a huge map!

[wicked nacelle]

do you want mycellia or?

anything that looks mushroomy has it. So does dead wood like those bunches of stumps you find some places

[craggy valley]

i was looking for silica

[floral rivet]

GOD DAMNIT MY BUILDING IS 1 4FT WALL SHORT

[wicked nacelle]

quartz makes silica

[turbid ledge]

Also aluminum for some reason

[wicked nacelle]

quartz node will get you all the silica or even a little hand tiny outcropping will get enough for some small researches

real bauxite has silica

[wicked nacelle]

Real bauxite has silica

[craggy valley]

oh, I have 2 quartz nodes making quartz crystals rn, I guess i dont have the recipe yet?

[wicked nacelle]

it's not the aluminum that has it it's when you take the aluminum out of the bauxite you're left with silica waste

[wicked nacelle]

research the quartz in the MAM to get the recipe

[soft oriole]

South east forest

[wicked nacelle]

beware the swamp (I don't know where SE forest is but swamp is SE map)

[soft oriole]

The swamp can eat my nuke nobelisks

[floral rivet]

the swamp can eat me

[wicked nacelle]

I usually just hover with homing bullets... but that works too

[soft oriole]

I like them but turbo ammo is def more powerful so I keep both

[wicked nacelle]

I don't like to have to worry when a spider hides under a tree... I just shoot the general area until it goes click then repeat a couple times

[soft oriole]

Takes like 3 magazines of homing for a radioactive hog

[wet shoal]

Explosive rebar exists

[soft oriole]

But it’s clutch for Hatchers

[wicked nacelle]

dimensional depot has plenty

[wet shoal]

explosive rebar exists

[wicked nacelle]

see I feel the opposite. once there are hatchers it shoots the bugs instead of the spawner so it's bad for that

[peak wasp]

fmfs ahhhh

[wicked nacelle]

you just gotta shoot it before the bugs but then any ammo is fine

[soft oriole]

Uh not sure what game your playing but explosive rebar is like 15 to kill a hog

[wicked nacelle]

but if you F up and there's like 12 bugs flying at you -- absolutely homing ammo is great

[soft oriole]

Nuke nobelisk is awesome

[wet shoal]

6

[soft oriole]

That’s actually why it’s good

You only need to shoot one homing bullet per bug

[wet shoal]

And hatchers are oneshot

[soft oriole]

Then go back to the Hatcher

[wet shoal]

And you can oneshot the~~ bugs ~~ crabs the second they spawn as well

[wicked nacelle]

but if you shoot too fast they will all home the same bug -- and by the time it kills the bugs the spawner has made more

if they'd change and go to the spawner after initial target dies it'd be great but they don't

[soft oriole]

True back to nuke nobelisk

[wicked nacelle]

😄

[soft oriole]

Also tho turbo ammo is insane lol

[wicked nacelle]

but any rifle ammo works if you have your eyes open and see it before it makes bugs

[wicked nacelle]

spool up is weird though in a gun like that. Makes no sense

even a gatling gun doesn't really have a meaningful spool up time but this is just extra silly

[soft oriole]

It’s like single shot power shot or insane machine gun lol

I got used to it

[wicked nacelle]

if it could hold 4x the rounds it would be funner

[soft oriole]

Takes like 3 bullets to kill a Hatcher

[wet shoal]

Or one explosive rebar.

[soft oriole]

lol

[wicked nacelle]

i only make rebar to complete research trees

[soft oriole]

Honestly still use cluster nobelisk all the time

[wicked nacelle]

never even make the gun

[wet shoal]

Well wasted potential.

[wicked nacelle]

I wish there were an upgraded cluster nobe. something end game with each cluster being a singularity cell or something

[wet shoal]

Especially since you can 2 cycle even elite stingers with stun rebar and just whack the shit out of it.

[soft oriole]

I think that’s supposed to be the nuke nobelisk but I wish it had a bit of a bigger radius

[wicked nacelle]

I just wish there were a "silly tier" for end game

[floral rivet]

TIP: Use shatter rebar at close ranges to increase damage beyond the base rebar

[soft oriole]

Totally

I want turbo explosive rounds

That also home

[floral rivet]

base building is fucking annoying

[soft oriole]

Just let me put explosive rebar, turbo and homing ammo in a blender with sulfuric acid and call it blammo

[turbid ledge]

Listen if i can turn my nobelisks into mini nukes why cant i make uranium laced bullets

[floral rivet]

OORRRRRRR the way ficsit wnats you to do it: 1. finish the game 2. collect literally everything 3. jump off a cliff 4. collect your reward

[soft oriole]

Have it be a secret recipe where you have to feed both ammos on one belt evenly

[turbid ledge]

I just realized my drone port is named mexico city

[floral rivet]

my computer is current on fire because im running spotify, a YT video on another screen lunar client in the background the powder toy and discord

and satisfactory

[turbid ledge]

Sounds like you need to play minecraft with 400 mods on it aswell

[floral rivet]

agreed

[rich ivy]

man i love how the red forest thing has these indestructible plants that ill just have to build around

great game guys 👍

[dawn idol]

I skipped that phase lol

[dawn idol]

well, the list of indestructible things has gotten smaller and smaller

[soft oriole]

What I really need in this game is an advanced boombox that will play all the tapes one after another

Love the music hate the switching it

[floral rivet]

use chainsaw or nobleisks

[rich ivy]

you have to be joking

you think i wouldnt be saying "indestructible plants" if i HADNT tried that already

[floral rivet]

oh

okay, btw can i use you rq? im one heavy modular frame short

[dawn idol]

like before u could not destroy the big mushrooms or whatever they r

[floral rivet]

OH MY GOD SATISFACTORY FLASHBANGED ME

I CANT FFFFFFFFFFFFFXXXXING SSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[white stump]

I just started playing the 1.0 and I realised something is not right. I'm getting bodied by uranium

[floral rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-feline-meme-funny-gif-8764472215214951735

failed embed laugh at me

ahhahahhahahahahaaahahaahha

[white stump]

Where is the radiation suit research node at

[floral rivet]

idk

its in the stage 4

or 3

[dawn idol]

pretty far in

[dawn idol]

did u acidentily pick up some uranium lol

[white stump]

I tried to mine it, but I died before I could. I have keep inventory on death option on, would I be in a infinite death cycle of I picked up uranium?

[spiral badger]

Is there a server restart soon?

[dawn idol]

you need to delete the uranium lol

[rich ivy]

hhhh

contemplating just destroying all of the red forest's foliage

and then using a mod to place some back when im done building here

i REALLY like the trees and i wanna keep as many as i can

[dawn idol]

Just delete what u need put stuff down?

[rich ivy]

what

[turbid ledge]

You switch it? I just listen to goat simulator sound track 24/7

Should i make a train to deal witch nuclear waste

[vapid compass]

i kept it all in one area

i just stacked up double containers about 10 high so that i wouldn't run out of storage. i dont think it ever made it more than single container and not even all the way full before i unlocked a way to deal with it

[vapid compass]

others have mentioned that radioactivity on a train will not be safe to travel around. but drones currently dont irradiate the area if they transport it

[turbid ledge]

A part of me just wants to do the lets game it out way

Just irradiate your entire base just cause you can

[vapid compass]

ah, well, i definitely had a satellite location for the uranium plant, i didn't do it close to my main base or anything else near it other than what was required for it to function mostly independently

[turbid ledge]

Mine is currently just going into my particle accelerator

(Which is in my base)

[vapid compass]

what exactly are you shipping into your base to the particle accelerator from the uranium plant? i did everything on site, including a pa for pasta

and another pa when you unlock fic, but all on site

[turbid ledge]

I have a drone which i load with waste which goes to my main. Base to make pellets which gets sent to the accelerator

[vapid compass]

yea i do the pellets on site too, forgot about that pa

why are you doing them in base vs on site?

[turbid ledge]

Currently working the rods and heatsink production

[vapid compass]

yea both are a pain, i make those in base and ship them to the plant

[turbid ledge]

It would be easier to explain with a screenshot becuase im on my first play through

And lets just say my base aint pretty

[vapid compass]

i just finished my first playthrough so i am not too far ahead of you 😉

id like to compare bases, i think id win lol

[turbid ledge]

Let me take some screenshots rq

[vapid compass]

if theres a way you can do the pellets on site i would, otherwise you are going to always have an irradiated area around your base

[turbid ledge]

I must show the world my giant box of damnation

Almost done

I just realized how much i have to show to actually understand why its at my base

[vapid compass]

yea i sent you a dm

i know how mine is and noone would understand it in person let alone from a screenshot

[wet shoal]

Base... what is that.

[static gyro]

restarting in satisfactory is oddly fun

[white dawn]

It's nice to have such simple problems for awhile, in the early game

[static gyro]

lmaoo yeah

i was scratching my head over high speed ai thing whatever the flip theyre called

[wet shoal]

Indeed, everything is so neat then

[static gyro]

yoooo whats up cthulhu, its been a minute! and yeah lol

speedrunning baseplates rn, i cant satisfactory without them anymore

[wet shoal]

Nothing much, but finally made it through the roughest of work weeks.

[static gyro]

roughest? how? school is about to end for me so my "work" is basically almost done lol

could it be because summer is starting soon

[wet shoal]

Yeah dont concern yourself with my struggles 😉

[static gyro]

haha i got you

[wet shoal]

I also restarted, just waiting for smart platings to roll in, so I can get sloops going

[static gyro]

im FRESH fresh, currently working on screws

[wet shoal]

make sure to get an very early hard drive

[static gyro]

i will forever eternally hate screws

[wet shoal]

hehe

[static gyro]

really? which recipie

[wet shoal]

cast screws what else lol

[static gyro]

want me to be honest

[wet shoal]

(also some alternative reinforced plate recipe if you happen to get two HD's)

[wet shoal]

yes

[static gyro]

i never used cast screws

only the bolted iron plates

[wet shoal]

honorable, steel screws are superior anyways

[boreal musk]

bolted plates use more screw than normal recipe btw

[static gyro]

WHAT>>

i mean more production i guess

[boreal musk]

nope, it use more screws, its just use less machine as tradeoff

[wet shoal]

thats correct

less machines is a good tradeoff tho.

[boreal musk]

iirc bolted plates use 250/min screw for 15/min plates which u can do with normal recipe for only 180 screws

[wet shoal]

Since early power is fucked

[static gyro]

making 21 mws right now guys

[static gyro]

ill def remember this lmaoo

cant believe i never knew that

maybe thats why i had such a hard time using screws

[wet shoal]

60 base, 83 bolted / min per plate

[static gyro]

FINALLY UNLOCKED FOUNDATIONS

[wet shoal]

yay

[static gyro]

my life is complete

[wet shoal]

did you know you can put 2m foundations above any node of ressources, and still put a miner on top?

[boreal musk]

also, 250/min screw for one machine, meaning you need mk3 belt

[static gyro]

yup, thats exactly what i did. i really liked that using the 2m plates because not only can you mine the node, the other grass and rocks dont clip through

yes thats newbie information but, i am a newbie lol

i also unironically hate the 1m foundations

[wet shoal]

Well I think every foundation has their field of application.

I wouldn't like very thick floors between my layers

[static gyro]

mm i guess thats right, do you indulge in mega-factories?

[wet shoal]

But then again, frame foundation exists, which is even thinner

[wet shoal]

Nah, I like elegant designs

[static gyro]

elegant as in how?

[wet shoal]

If it happens to result in something mega that's pure accident 😏

[wet shoal]

Clean, compact, efficient, practical

[static gyro]

compact, clean and efficient in the same sentence 💔

[wet shoal]

You can do crazy things with lifts and splitters / mergers

Like balancers that take less space than manifolds (and also take less buildings)

[static gyro]

the only "crazy" thing i know is the conveyor floor holes and how the lifts can go up hundreds of meters

[static gyro]

balancers are nice, i only really used the near the end of my unfished playthrough

manifolds will forver hold their place in my heart though

no math needed, just splitter into splitter into splitter

[lost blade]

I think you can go higher than 2m, the trick is to be able to point at the node but sometimes it ends clipping the foundation

[wet shoal]

Yeah I also managed to put 4 m foundations under them at times, but it seems to be dependant on the node in question

[boreal musk]

depends on the node, i mostly place 4m foundation if its on the ground level

[dawn idol]

for the jetpack whats the bind to change fuel?

[rich ivy]

finally having mk6 belts feels so freeing

[leaden ether]

Not sure if there is one. There is a gear icon in the inventory screen while wearing it to change fuel.

[dawn idol]

ty

[wet shoal]

Tap the shit out of that one pure sulfur node that probably taunted you for ages.

[lime ermine]

I've spent 3 weeks building a project part factory and it's almost finished, can't wait for tier 9

[prisma thicket]

If I have a system that's producing 75 heavy oil residue as a byproduct, is there a way I can add some plastic production to perfectly balance it out and have it all go into packaged fuel? Or will I need to consume some of it in fuel gens?

[boreal musk]

just add plastic refinery that consumes 75 hor then?

u can do that by using the hor making resin

[prisma thicket]

Hmmmm I can't seem to figure it out... I think I might just turn the hor into petroleum coke and sink it, less fiddly to deal with

[thin tundra]

Gods I wish I could mirrior machines....

Just threw down a quantm encoder and it;d look so good with two facing each other

[tight pawn]

heavy oil residue is the magic ingredient that makes tons of steel. it also flips plastic to rubber anywhere. it is fun to send this around in packages.

liquid trains are underrated tho

[latent prawn]

i've never really found liquid trains very good. that's mostly because congestion on the rails can kind of screw you

[prisma thicket]

The system I'm trying to figure out is making rubber out of oil, and satisfactory tools recomends turning the hor into fuel, and I was wondering if there was a way to add in plastic production and wind up with all the plastic and hor eventually becoming packaged fuel

[latent prawn]

there's no good balance for making cannisters for the fuel from plastic that i've found. it always ends up being strange amounts that don't really line up very well when i've tried

[prisma thicket]

Damn. Even if there's initially some additional oil residue for residual fuel?

[latent prawn]

maybe?

there's a lot of combos of recipes that i haven't entertained

[leaden ether]

Was looking for a cave entrance and found a small hole/opening in some rocks which I had to crouch though and fell down (Have found others like this) But I am now actually stuck INSIDE the cliff mesh, looking at the invisible backside of the terrain with no way out that I can see.

[prisma thicket]

Might need to just respawn

[leaden ether]

Console command I guess?

[prisma thicket]

No, there's an option in the Escape menu, under exit to desktop

[leaden ether]

Oh nice, it is also a console command "suicide" (just looked it up) -.-

I mean sucks as I was hunting spheres and wrecks on the other side of the map but....

[prisma thicket]

Getting the Upload from inventory upgrade with Mercer Spheres is invaluable, you just upload most of your stuff and not need to worry about carrying it around

[latent prawn]

you have to be mindful of what you have in inventory when you do that - death crates can be inaccessible afterward

[wicked nacelle]

you can always move them with SCIM

and give yourself an extra sloop for the hassle

or just reload autosave 🙂

but for sure if you're planning on riding the space elevator up, put your inventory in a box first

[spark mason]

I have a death crate on top of the space elevator hitbox(the sky part)

[thin tundra]

I just spent an hour making a massive Mk3 BP and I forgot the gd floor

[prisma thicket]

Woohoo, just 28 more minutes and I can complete phase 3 for the first time 😄

[loud nexus]

can't you make a floor in another mk3 designer and then place the blueprint on it?

[prisma thicket]

anyone have a recommendation on where I should start my first bauxite/aluminum setup?

[boreal musk]

anywhere near coal copper and water

and bauxite ofc

[sterile blade]

Your ticket to hell 👇
#streams-and-videos message

[sterile blade]

Looping is unnecessary (unless necessary) and often problematic!
If you're thinking this is necessary because "other games", please remember that this is not "that game" 😅

[sick heart]

straight to jail do not pass go

[sick heart]

I did mine in the swamp by the waterfall, beware creepies

[opal thistle]

Wonder why there is no waterfall turbines for power generator, hope soon it'll be added to the game, also.. why there's no male character AND YES... Solar Panel!😎

[sterile blade]

The devs have expressed their to renewable energy sources (except geothermal as it's limited)

[sick heart]

are the devs climate change deniers

[opal thistle]

So many elements and potential but whyy

[sterile blade]

I think it boils down to the players not being able to just "spam" power sources. They all have either limited placement (geothermal) or require resources to run (everything else)

[opal thistle]

There's a night cycle also batteries added. Mixing it with solar panel would be exellent

[opal thistle]

Ahh i see, but it'll be usefull for the mid game, not so much to grow fast rn

[sterile blade]

At any point, one could just spam enough solar panels or whatnot to reach the end-game by just stockpiling the items needed for building. I reckon the devs dislike that possibility.
One COULD do something similar with just Coal Generators, but that would come with many more downsides and challenges than just "have enough space and materials to build, lose time and space"... Eg: lack of Coal for future projects, tons of Coal/Water to move around to feed the Generators and so on...

[leaden turret]

regular reminder that people keep forgetting about molten solar, which wouldn't have the same free energy spam problem as photovoltaic solar

[sterile blade]

Can't forget if you don't know about it :P

[leaden turret]

mirrors point at tank of x, makes x molten, water sent through molten x in pipes to make steam turbine go brr, keeps working when the sun goes down due to thermal mass, tapers off until cool or dawn happens, whichever goes first.

[opal thistle]

I get your point, but with such technologies that Ficsit has,, its just doesnt make any sense for them having a solar panel IMO

[leaden turret]

FICSIT does not waste [solar panels on planetside facilities whose solar efficiency will be hampered by day/night cycle and atmosphere]

[sterile blade]

Fun (which includes balancing power sources and such) is more important than "making sense" for the devs, I think 😆

It's nice to have both, but when the choice must be made, one easily trumps the otheru

[sterile blade]

So X would be consumed? Water? Both?

[leaden turret]

at least water because steam, X could be consumed if FICSIT find something that has good thermal mass on first use, but severely deficient after it cools

i.e. waste

[tall lantern]

#1201555265942724758

[fathom portal]

ty

[opal thistle]

After i played this game for a while i also felt, like a real human what could do to a planet lmao, killing its own nature cutting the trees and make it as a power generators, takes everything for greed until nothing left behind,, hope there's a story lore in satisfactory 😍

Just so Ficsit would find another planet to consume, like second save where materials sent to other planet to make a new capstone for industries or manufacture

Maybe we would have a snow terrain

[leaden turret]

April 15th, 2025 Livestream
Q&A: Why do we have no Snow Biome?
https://youtu.be/rNKSA8QIKC4

is the true reason we don't have a snow biome because nobody will be able to find Hannah again on location for photo reference? yes oh god

[opal thistle]

Sadly🥲

[midnight orbit]

My eyes would not like to play a snow biome at 4am on a tuesday

[dire relic]

did they talked about when 1.1 is coming out?

[green fiber]

when its done

[loud nexus]

i could of sworn there was a snow biome at one point

[tough seal]

I finally got a Nobelisk and can blow up some small rocks... but this rock is in the way and even 10 won't remove it... Is there anyway to remove it, or do I need better bombs? #screenshots message

[dense violet]

if 1 bomb can't do it, ♾️ can't

[tough seal]

😦 I tried 10, not sure if they were more powerful ones later on.

[dense violet]

they generally have a slightly different texture. that video game difference that you can tell you can blow it up

and orblike

[tough seal]

ok thanks. guess I'll have to put my trucks else where lol. was planning this little area for a truck stop. back to the drawing board.

[nocturne orbit]

#satisfactory-memes message
care to explain how Factorio poster is related to satisfactory?

[spark ruin]

still better than someone spoiling the games ending yesterday

[zenith pecan]

There are nuclear & cluster nobelisks, but if a regular bomb won't dislodge something, the bigger ones wont either.

[sick heart]

can you make "blank" train carriages that dont load/unload at stations, attempting to space my freight carriages out at the correct length to get them to unload in the right places

[loud nexus]

you can unload specific items but im not sure if you can disable certain carts

[reef basin]

you can, with empty platforms

[sick heart]

unfortuantely some of my trains will need to use those freight terminals, and some dont, so cant replace with empty platform

can i just slap an extra loco on the train? doesnt matter if its not at the front?

or somehow fill the carriage with something that is never unloaded...

[empty agate]

The placing of the loco shouldn't matter. But if you don't want to rely on that, you can just disable that specific items are loaded/unloaded at a certain station. So if you dont have mixed items in a platform, that could work too.

[zenith pecan]

You could likely use a fluid car.

[sick heart]

that should do it

was trying to be clever and build RCUs at 1 factory and drop off to 2 others, and have broken my brain thinking about it

[opal thistle]

Update spoilers, incoming Mech and more Fauna Update

Hope so

[sick heart]

phase 6 - construct a metal gear

[zenith pecan]

I have so much rebuilding to do haha.

[sick heart]

embarrassed to admit i didnt build a single train or hypertube until phase 5 but man its nice

[zenith pecan]

I never got trains down to a satisfactory level, so monster belts were used.

[ashen belfry]

I only had them on a smaller level.
Pick up sulfur and coal at this spot. Bring it to that spot
Pick up rubber and plastic on this side, load it down there

I mean still long tracks. But not a lot of trains and no sophisticated train system

[zenith pecan]

The issue to me is travel time vs throughput, I just never nailed that.

[mossy moon]

mods? maybe one exists

[hollow delta]

question how much waste is produced by 55 nuclear power plants with uranium rods clocked at 200% cus im getting very diffrent results

some 25 and some 20 per mibnute

[mossy moon]

you can search it easily

but i remember that i have 24 fully overclocked reactors which produce exactly 600 waste per min

[mossy moon]

20 waste per min for each reactor at 200%. 250% gives 25. (i just did the math from the numbers i remmeber above)

[vague gate]

Is there a way to see how long does a train take moving between two stations? Or do I have measure manually with a stopwatch?

[zenith pecan]

The time taken varies, the number of locos vs cars, slopes etc will affect it, I just use a stopwatch.

[wet shoal]

The horn gives a nice indicator when to start and stop

Things will get a bit easier with belt-traffic measuring

[zenith pecan]

When I did a ridiculous 1 loco to 400 car train, I managed to get it to 13km/h.

[vague gate]

I haven't started measurement yet. I got some aluminum casing made using trains, but I just hooked things up and manually sorted the outputs from the trains to inputs in the factory but I'm disregarding the train throughput because the factory ends with a storage and a dimensional storage.
However, I'm considering running a gigafactory, send everything there and min-max production. So I am looking more into train throughput and smartsplitters for the all the materials coming through the train.

[fierce matrix]

anyone here use dlss?

im having nasty ghosting

with dlss 3 and 4 via override, and idk if its just the implementation or the new borked drivers

[lament niche]

stop using ai to get more frames

[fierce matrix]

thats framegen,

upscaling works a bit differently

[lament niche]

sir, how do you think upscaling works

[fierce matrix]

usually better than framegen, as it doesnt generate a whole image with AI

and usually doesnt have near as much ghosting as it does in this game

[lament niche]

still uses ai

[fierce matrix]

you say this like free frames is a negative, dlss 4 (transformer) on quality is such a good image on higher res its practically free performance

but with the ghosting its not worth it. just wondering if more people have this in satisfactory or if its nvidias borked drivers being borked, again

[lament niche]

file a ticket #open-a-ticket

[fierce matrix]

its not that important

[rancid turret]

dlss4 transformer model is noted to ghost more than the CNN

[zenith pecan]

Да ладно!, ok joke aside, Nvidia has been rather shocking on drivers lately.

I'm so bad at typing on my phone 🤦‍♂️

[lament niche]

sho king :P

[rancid turret]

however I have found a bug in satisfactory where it can enable TAA and upscaling simultaneously; it could be worth disabling all AA and upscaling then turning DLSS on

[fierce matrix]

hm,

[fierce matrix]

it does say TAA and dlss are both on for me right now, weird

[zenith pecan]

The times I've caught space instead of a letter, the on screen keys are tiny even compared with my slight fingers.

[rancid turret]

so antialiasing set to low then turn on DLSS

they may have fixed that in 1.0 though

[lament niche]

*off

[rancid turret]

i don't think off is an option

[lament niche]

pretty sure it is

[fierce matrix]

im on 1.1 rn. if i turn dlss on it auto puts it to TAA, regardless what my AA is set to in advance

yeah you can turn dlss/aa off if you desire

[rancid turret]

well off or low

[rancid turret]

oh just to add some terminology fuckery, technically DLSS is TAA

it's just really good TAA

[fierce matrix]

its a form of taa right

[rancid turret]

ye

[fierce matrix]

im suprised at how good 4 has gotten

specially at high res

dlss on 100% resolution scale is great at AA to

[next wolf]

Question, me and a friend on xbox have been looking for games to play, but once it does release will we be able to play it together like how others that play it though steam or epic are able to play together?

[frail sleet]

It's temporal everything, the principle is using data from past frames that would otherwise be discarded alongside new data to create a result better than would be possible otherwise

[rancid turret]

ye

[frail sleet]

it's kinda amazing that we wasted so much important data for so long

also, because of the temporal nature, quality improves dramatically with higher framerates (both on upscaling and framegen)

[rancid turret]

you jitter the sample on each frame so when you stack them you have multiple samples where you need them; you use motion vectors to move samples to where they should be to follow camera and object movement. this lets you have 16 frames worth of information. but you'll always end up with parts of the image that are under or over sampled, giving you ghosting and noise. turns out neural networks are great at the job of making sense of it so we get DLSS and FSR4

the information was always there, DLSS is just surfacing it

[fierce matrix]

i just like the free fps of dlss 4 on quality

[rancid turret]

ye, it does such a good job you can lower the resolution and it still looks good

[urban nimbus]

lower than the native res from the monitor?

[frozen ingot]

exactly

it renders at a lower resolution and upscales it to native

[urban nimbus]

I never like that.. the screen gets all blurred up. 😦 (at least here on mine)

[fierce matrix]

DLSS runs the game at a lower resolution and uses AI to upscale it to match your resolution. depending on your settings and which version you use it can get really good nowadays

and the higher your native res the better it looks, because it just has more to work with

[urban nimbus]

oooh ok.. Good then well.. it's on here

[sick heart]

anyone got a good spot for an explosive rebar factory (coal/sulphur/iron/oil)?

[red sun]

i'd set up near oil and just bring all the solid shit in from wherever

[distant pilot]

The blue crater in the southeast is really good

[sick heart]

ah that looks decent, just gotta bring across the sulphur, have also just built my turbo motors down there

[leaden turret]

upscaing from 1080p to 1440p is tolerable

[rancid turret]

in satisfactory you can pick your input resolution all the way up to 100% so 1440p is really 1440p

higher is better but you can go lower if you need

[vague gate]

Should I pack fluids before shipping to trains or just send them as liquids?

[distant pilot]

definitely package nitrogen gas, otherwise its mostly up to you

[wet shoal]

Idk man I would rather move the solids

[distant pilot]

though note that you can only load or unload a wagon at a given station, so youd either need two seperate stations or two wagons to handle the empty and filled packages at one end of the route

[vague gate]

Usually I make the package on site and sink the empty ones after unpacking

[distant pilot]

eugh

[rancid turret]

load two fluid carts with 1600 fluid each, or load one freight car with 3200 cans of fluid and one freight car of empty canisters; same throughput. best to just ship the liquid so you don't have to package

[distant pilot]

thats like... a lot of sunk materials for 600 fluid a minute

[rancid turret]

making 3200 canisters and sinking them is heinously inefficient

[distant pilot]

even with the alternate recipes that sounds awful

[vague gate]

A copper and iron ore nearby one of the fluids to make the canisters. I wouldn't be using them for anything else since I have other spots rich with those. And for the mats past 780item per min, I divide into 2/3 sinks

[distant pilot]

also what exactly are you transporting?

[spark ruin]

does FSR also have ghosting for you ?

[vague gate]

So far, I only did for Aluminum solution. Just brainstorming for now should I make a gigafactory and ship everything there

[spark ruin]

its not a bug its intended

[distant pilot]

in that case i'd just import the coke/coal to make it into scrap or ingots on-site

[vague gate]

Ship the solids instead, sounds good too.

Thanks

[spark ruin]

its TAAU technically 🤓

[rancid turret]

nah i mean i would literally have two TAAs active at the same time

[vague gate]

One more thing, any ETA on 1.1?

[wet shoal]

My crystalball says: 3-4 months

[rancid turret]

so upscalers weren't getting proper input

[vague gate]

Peachy. Thanks

[spark ruin]

so it actually said TAA twice ?
WUT

[rancid turret]

it was noisy af

this was update 8 though

[vague gate]

Is it easy/fast/effortless switching back and forth between normal and experimental?

[wet shoal]

Well when I tried it I had to install the game twice lol

[spark ruin]

nope
especially if you wanna play a save from 1.1 in 1.0*

[vague gate]

So no, rip

[distant pilot]

1.1 has some actual new buildables instead of purely QoL so switching pack in a given save isnt a good idea

[red sun]

going from stable to experimental is relatively painless, going back can be tricky

if you want to try 1.1 i'd recommend making a backup of your current 1.0 world, then loading up 1.1 so that way you can go back (albeit losing progress) at any point if things go titsup

[fierce matrix]

can someone help me enable the console? i cannot get it to open

[zenith pecan]

I'll switch back to Ex soon enough, those vertical splitters will form the backbone of my resource gathering and initial processing.

[winged willow]

We absolutely NEED plutonium nobelisks, it would be so amazing to blow up half a forest with just one bomb

[zenith pecan]

I already blast myself with regular nukes, a bigger bomb just means more trips back to respawn.

[dreamy ingot]

What happens if we drive vehicles into the void? Do they stay there forever or get deleted?

[zenith pecan]

They stay there.

[reef basin]

stay there, but also still have enabled physics, so they eat your FPS

especially if they are colliding with other vehicles or something

[mossy moon]

do they collide with a invisible floor?

[reef basin]

not sure, afaik at some point they just stop falling, idk if it's invisible floor or what

[mossy moon]

ig they go below a certain physics distance from the player and they stop moving

actualy yeah thats it. i watched lgio try to make tturcks bounce acorss the desert and the trucks stop moving and loses all its momentm when its out of range from the pioneer.

so if you follow it down as far as possible the trucs wouldnt ever get in range when your on the map and not under it

[leaden turret]

it used to be something could fall fast enough to bypass the kill plane, buuuuut I think they fixed that

[mossy moon]

kill plane? but dont the trucks still exist when you throw them into the void?

[leaden turret]

something something don't dispose of nuclear waste in the void something something physically simulated something something

[mossy moon]

eh?

[leaden turret]

@true mulch does this ring a bell?

[true mulch]

afaik, the claim that the vehicles keep on falling forever was confirmed on a dev stream

[mossy moon]

huh

but dont they stop moving when too far from the pioneer?

[leaden turret]

I thought that was fixed though?

[true mulch]

but at the same time, we know for sure that their physics stop being simulated when you're far

[mossy moon]

yeah exactly

[frail sleet]

someone should make a mod so that your train carts are deleted when you do this off the map https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBsPrxAV4fw&t=579s

[true mulch]

it being a radiation source probably doesn't matter, although it's true that the game keeps track of ALL radiation sources regardless of distance, for some reason

1 truck is 1 radiation source, but so is every single item on a belt, so the performance impact of that is zero

[leaden turret]

p.s. context of original discussion was more the kill plane than the radiation

[true mulch]

kill plane only affects the player afaik

not even creatures

creatures that fall into the void are actually just unloaded for going out of view

[leaden turret]

I thought there was another one for despawning stuff in the void?

[true mulch]

(I should note that what I'm saying here is true for at least update 8, and it's entirely possible this changed in 1.0)

[leaden turret]

i.e. the reason vehicles in the void was a problem was because either they were going fast enough to bypass it, or were far enough away that they didn't have collisions enabled to collide with it

[true mulch]

probably a question for the next stream then

[mossy moon]

yes very much agree. very curios

[lavish lance]

Shouldnt infinitely falling vehicles be easily fixed?

[jade spruce]

I have a issue, it has happened 4 times.

Everytime I unlock and setup coal power and steel factory. I go take a break of 2-3 months. And then I come back and start over from tutorial.

[reef basin]

and what exactly is the issue? are you struggling with things past-coal? or are you struggling with the game altogether? or what?

[terse venture]

you game not saved and load after 2-3 month ? new game withouzt make x "no toturial" is a new game with toturial ?! 😄

[viscid crest]

For myself later. A mk3 miner on a pure coal node provides enough coal for 32 coal gens at 250% each when you have 12 water extractors set up with 250% speed correct?

[sick heart]

this looks like some of my old rollercoaster tycoon builds

[wet shoal]

So, lack of freetime or ADHS brain refusing to stick with something?

[terse venture]

mk3 coal on pure shoudl be 720, 250% 1800 sum. each coal 30/min = 60 coal gen

[floral rivet]

my pc is burning

[boreal yew]

i reached coal on the 2nd day, replaying it for the first time after 4 years, how long does it take you

[boreal yew]

my adhd has a field day with games like these, it should be the opposite ^^

[floral rivet]

my adhd+short attention span (induced by shorts) causes me to forget everything i ever did

[lavish lance]

Could check for any objects below map on savegame load and remove them

[boreal yew]

i mean, short attention spam is a given issue with adhd, but games like satisfactory should tingle your sensors to become hyperfocused

or do you not have adhd

diagnosis

[placid stirrup]

That's a HIPAA violation to ask

[floral rivet]

i know i have slight autisim and short attention span (SAS induced by YT shorts)

[terse venture]

there is a different between adhd and a 10 sec fly brain .p

[red sun]

i have adhd and i would be inclined to disagree but it's different for everyone

[tall lantern]

Health Insurance Portability and Paccountability Act?

[red sun]

sometimes i just cannot play this game because it's just too much mental effort lol

[spice patio]

What is HIPPA?
I know of HIPAA.

[tall lantern]

(also doesn't that only apply to actual medical practioners)

[boreal yew]

..how?

[placid stirrup]

*Pawcountability

[spice patio]

And none of that affects random internet conversations at all.

[placid stirrup]

I'm just memeing, with how many were up in arms over HIPAA recently

[boreal yew]

you need to carve some more wrinkles into brain, big brain

[placid stirrup]

Nah that's valid, I don't play if it feels like I'm logging back into work after work

[red sun]

my adhd is weird, sometimes i just do not want to play satisfactory because i'm just too burnt out for it and other times i just won't stop playing it

[wet shoal]

Idk if it makes sense to view such things through the lens of dysfunctionality

In other words, people naturally do have times where they want to do stuff, or do not.

My initial remark was just an attempt at frienldy banter

[red sun]

yeah i get that, it's moreso that i sometimes just can't allocate my focus to the game and that's why i don't want to play it, other times i'm just straight up not in the mood like you say

and when i can't come away from it, it's because i can't shift my focus away from it

[maiden ridge]

So i jump into experimental bulid and getting a lot of crashes any info on that ?

[tall lantern]

yeah, it's experimental

[red sun]

best kept to #satisfactory-experimental

[wet shoal]

or how anyone else would call it:
currently not in the mood / currently my favority activity

[red sun]

sometimes it's that, sometimes it's more than that

[maiden ridge]

My bad

[red sun]

shifting and/or maintaining focus is the difficult part - sometimes i do really want to play sf, but my attentiveness just won't play ball

it's a tricky thing to explain

[leaden turret]

self: want to do activity x
brain: requires doing nothing else for length y
self: lolnope

[red sun]

something like that

[molten dragon]

I have a simple question if anyone can help please.

[green fiber]

Ask and thou shalt receive.

Do not as ask and thou shalt never receive

[molten dragon]

I am attempting to set up coal power but run into the issue of the water extractors needing external power.

[lunar glade]

привет, есть Русскоговорящие?)

[sick heart]

biomass to kick it off

[leaden turret]

rewire to split coalgens between powering the supplies and connecting to grid

[molten dragon]

My question therefor is; do they always require external power from a biomass unit or am I missing some part of the setup?

[green fiber]

Have you checked production vs consumption

The biomass is only there to start it up

Connect the biomass to the same grid as the coal generators, miners and water extractors

[molten dragon]

Ok yes, that is what I thought. So I set up the extractor and generator, jump-started it and let it run for a long time, however if I disconnect either unit from the bio grid then they shut down immediately

[green fiber]

Then you likely exceeses capacity

Instead of disconnrcting them, set them to standby

And then watch the power graph

[azure swan]

If the coal generators are generating enough power they will sustain the water pumps. Do the math on if your coal burners produce enough to support everything.

[molten dragon]

my bio grid can easily support much more than I currently have.

[green fiber]

If the gray line comes close to the orange line, you are not making enough power

[azure swan]

If you're trying to get away from the bio grid you need to consider what the coal does on its own.

[molten dragon]

With the generatoers, I have 3 miners going into one, so presumably enough coal.

[green fiber]

3 miners into a single generator?

Thats more than wasteful

Get more generators

[leaden turret]

underclocking

[molten dragon]

Yes the waste is secondary. Getting it to actually work is my main concern atm

[azure swan]

Each coal generators generates 75MW of power. Figure out how many of those you need for how much total power you want.

[azure swan]

His biggest point there is that you can feed a lot more than one generator with a single coal miner, and you will need to do that to get the power you need.

Is it truly only 1 coal generator you're running?

[molten dragon]

Ok, so let me phrase it differently.

I simply want to establish how to set up one generator and 2 extractors feeding it, so that it self-sustains. I believe that is the goal.

sorry, 2 gen and one extractot

[azure swan]

I am curious, you keep referring to the "biomass grid" are you just referring to the power your biomass generators provide to your total grid or are you keeping them separate?

[molten dragon]

I'll explain. I have a biomass generator grid providing 450MW currently.

I want now to switch to coal so am trying to set it up. This initial trial is to see how it works.

[azure swan]

Ok. If you want to replace that grid with coal you will need 6 coal generators to provide enough power to completely replace.

The idea of using a small set as a sandbox works in principle, but it doesn't work if you pull your biomass burners out and expect your small scale sandbox to support the larger scale grid.

[molten dragon]

Hehe yes I know I will need more but right now I cannot get the simplest of coal setups to function as it is supposed to

[azure swan]

It sounds like you've got it working but youre asking a small system to provide too much power.

[molten dragon]

so please disregard everything but this simple setup - as an experiment.

[rancid turret]

you will need biomass generators to get the water extractors going; once the coal generators are running, they will take over powering the water extractors and your biomass generators will go idle

[wet shoal]

Uhm... do industrial stzroage containers actually give the upper port higher prio when it comes to output?

[molten dragon]

I am not trying to power anything with it - simply to get it to run without being powered by the external source

[frank spear]

Does anybody have news on Satisfactory console release? I’m dying to play the game again

[azure swan]

Ok. If the only thing being powered by the coal gets is the water extraction and the miners it should certainly support. If you have enough generators in the system. Each water extractor uses 20MW, and each miner uses 12MW (if mk2). If you're powering 3 miners and 1 water extractor that's 56MW and your 2 generators should be making 150MW. This should self sustain easily once started, providing it's setup right.

[reef basin]

no, they have semi-random priority that can sometimes randomly change

don't rely on any priority with them (and in general no reason to use them for anything other than personal storage or waste storage or train buffer)

[floral rivet]

i am on minimum graphics and my computer is t-10 minutes from explosion

i feel bad for my potato p

pc***

[molten dragon]

the miners are currently powered from the bio grid, so are out of the equation. It is simply 2 generators, 1 extractor. I powered all 3 at first from my existing grid. After a period of time I tried disconnecting the power from either and at which point they stop. Maybe it is a bit buggy and I have to not disconnect but set to standby,,,not sure but will continue to try to get it working.

[stiff wolf]

yea in order to have a super mega base you need like a nuclear powered super computer lol.

[azure swan]

You shouldn't have to do anything fancy, simply disconnecting the biomass should be fine. You're sure the coal generators are feeding their power to the extractors?

Also, are you sure the water extractor is stopping because it lost power, and not because it has nothing to do? A single water extractor can feed more than 2 generators so it will have downtime during operation (yellow light on top). If it has no power the light on top will be red.

[molten dragon]

Um, maybe I linked it wrongly. Is the power cord meant to go from the extractor to the generator, then the generator to the temporary power?

[azure swan]

This is a pretty simple setup and I'd bet it's still running.

Set up power poles. Connect every machine to at least one power pole (generators and water extractors alike). Connect every pole to at least one other pole.

[thin tundra]

Naa. It was corner to corner design, so it wouldent fit if I placed it back into it

[azure swan]

If you really wanted to just simply see what your coal generators are doing you could put all of your coal gens outputting to a single pole that isn't connected to anything. Connect all of your water extractors to a single pole that isn't connected to anything.

1. Connect your water extractor pole to your biomass grid pole.
2. Go look at your coal generator pole. Confirm it is generating 150MW (for 2 generators). This may take a moment for the system to come up.
3. If you're satisfied with the results you can connect the generator pole to the water extractor pole and disconnect the biomass connection.

This is only to satisfy your desire to run this experiment btw. None of this has to be that complex in normal operation (you'd just connect everything to at least one pole and have every pole connected to at least one other pole to create the grid).

[hollow zenith]

anyone know why my mergers are so slow also why items are not loading visully on belts?

[reef basin]

mergers have no throughput limit

[floral rivet]

my computer is on fxxing fire rn

[hollow zenith]

it feels/looks like they get stuck before going on to the output belt

[unkempt sable]

is there an estimate of how much more power i would get if i changed my fuel power generators to turbofuel

[azure swan]

Typing away with your computer on fire. Reminds me of a dog in a firey room sipping on coffee.

[reef basin]

same power if you have same amount of gens

[reef basin]

then you may have full output belt or something

[unkempt sable]

the output depends on the belt, if you put in 60 and 60 from two sides and output 60, you are getting 30 input from each belt

[azure swan]

This would only happen if your output belt cannot support the throughput.

[hollow zenith]

mk 5 belt on all sides

[unkempt sable]

i mean if i add the additonal step of changing fuel to turbo fuel then building gens to match the amount

[reef basin]

have you checked there's no smaller belt section hidden inside the merger?

[azure swan]

If two items hit the merger at the exact same time they cannot appear at the output at the exact same time, so one of them will hiccup.

[hollow zenith]

wish i could tell the items arent visually loading but that may be a server issuse

[reef basin]

depends on a recipe 🤷

[unkempt sable]

assuming default recipe?

[hollow zenith]

its freshly built with full MK5 the whole way

[azure swan]

And you're feeding a total of less than 780 parts/min?

How do you know the output is slowing down if the items aren't visually loading?

What kind of slowing down are we talking about?

[hollow zenith]

its the output belt from the merger that isnt loading

[azure swan]

You're not being very explicit and you're making me fill in the gaps which is never good for troubleshooting. Do you mean to say you think it's slowing down because the inputs to the merger are backing up?

[hollow zenith]

i had 3 packers throwing out empty cans and they were getting stuck and backing up when the 3 belts got to / were connected to the merger

since removing a packer its fixed itself

[azure swan]

Ah, so when you reduced the amount going in the backup went away. That makes sense. How much was coming out of each packager?

[hollow zenith]

150 per min from each

[azure swan]

ok. 450 total should be fine on mk5 belts. Are you sure that whatever is on the end of the merger is consuming at least 450 parts/min?

If your downstream consumption is higher than 300 and lower than 450 this would happen.

[hollow zenith]

i think i figured it out its an isuse further on in the line eg to many items

cuz in this world theres about 50 million packers

[stiff wolf]

for coal generators, for a 120 belt what was the ratio for belt to generator? Im trying to figure it out but cant realy get anything that makes sense.

[hollow zenith]

thanks to all for helping tho

[stiff wolf]

like for 1, 120 belt can feed ? amount of generators.

[azure swan]

How much coal does each generator consume?

[stiff wolf]

idk.

[steady dome]

So have you really looked?

[stiff wolf]

i have not set it up im trying to preplan

[steady dome]

!wikisearch coal_generator

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=coal_generator