Valhalla Surge

[tight plaza]

I want VHS to be completely disabled till nerfs

[wide swift]

she should be, she's buggy and overwhelming the whole roster except EGS sometimes

[tight plaza]

Yeah both should be nerfed

To complete nothingness

[wide swift]

I don't feel confident about oni mephiles rn lol

[glossy bison]

This game is cook

[hardy owl]

believe he's not ganna be meta

[gritty crest]

they probably got no clue what it is

hell no, don't bring a smash bros. ultimate Hero type of character into the game 💀

that character is already dumb as hell in there, don't want a redo of that in here

[brisk burrow]

The top of the leaderboard rn is full of people who spawned in from egs and VS 💀

[hardy owl]

107 characters though

[spice kiln]

#😂gifs-and-memes message

Literally the situation

[ancient fjord]

Real, I used to be 489 in leaderboard, now I'm 511 because of EGS and VHS users

[brisk burrow]

I’d usually be around top 15 but it’s such a joke with all the surges and egs

[hardy owl]

i use to be top 20 but the game is just lagging and full of meta

[jovial vigil]

can you perfect dodge her shield traps?

[hardy owl]

not really

[gritty crest]

i think you can do that with every single trap of the game, though some are easier than others

[unique sand]

Rushed Character, way too fast, annoying Projectile (way too fast to react and wonky hitbox), Stackable boost (with wonky hitbox), to fast moving, half unpredictable trap (with wonky hitbox) practically invincible boost

This BS right there

[glacial flicker]

valhalla surge
Wonky surge ✅

[unique sand]

Agreed, everything about her is wonky

[worthy halo]

EGS is gone 🥲🙏🏽

Now nerf this character to the ground next and we shall finally be free from the pain

Cuz this patch was actually really nice

It’s just this surge that ruins every race now

[shrewd relic]

Boy did he ever get cooked 🙏

[worthy halo]

He got absolutely obliterated

We LOVE to see it

[shrewd relic]

It feels like they removed slipstream winds speed buff completely cause I personally can’t tell if it’s still there lol

[worthy halo]

It’s so very faint

It’s basically gone

The manifestation worked out for once

[crude stirrup]

#1275352562299703308 message

[topaz swan]

For the Goods

[gritty crest]

she's just waiting in line now

for her turn

[velvet oracle]

I'm happy with

[dull helm]

I will say, now that the challenge event is over and theres one less guaranteed VS, the game feels much healthier. Still OP, if theres one VS shes probably winning 80%. But the game as a whole feels more playable atleast at the 6,000 mark

[delicate mason]

Clash of Clans

[hardy owl]

we love to see it i would though could have make it last abit longer so it can still be use as a projectile since the range seem small

[worthy halo]

Nah 😇

[shrewd relic]

I feel bad for those who maxed him cause of how terrible he is now but most of them already got 7k anyway and they probably don't care

[hardy owl]

yeah

[crimson plover]

so how hard did egs' projectile get nerfed

[shrewd relic]

they removed 99% of it's miniboost speed

[silent flame]

XD

[hardy owl]

well love to see it

[shrewd relic]

Yes 🤌

[delicate mason]

bro not falling free in the wind anymore 😭 🙏

[hardy owl]

finally nerf suggestions for Valhalla surge

Projectile rework

• Single lane 2 pickup, with similar distance to wallop.
• axes can only be rethrow once.
• buff the damage abit since it only going to be single lane.
• Make it jumpable when it is thrown.
• Reduce the speed of the axe.

Boost
• Make boost similar duration and speed with 1 shield like Jingle Boost, with the visual of the 3 shield.
• Remove the ability to stack boost.

Trap
• Make the trap alternation alot slower.
• Reduce the damage of thunder shield.

Bug Fixes

• Fix invisible hitbox left after axes been rethrow.
• Fix invisible hitbox left after someone run into the shield.

@wide latch

[shrewd relic]

agreed
i also hope they fix that invisible hitbox bug
i can still get hit by axes even when they are not there for some reason

[shrewd relic]

the wind left him instead

[hardy owl]

yeah that need to be fix it leaving invisibility hit box after being rethrow

[wide swift]

I would remove the full-lane hitbox when they are throwing too

they can only be jumped over once they've landed, while they are moving they hit jumping people

[hardy owl]

yeah throw

[hardy owl]

i like the concept of 2 lane attack projectile but not for electric projectile that can be spamming so much

[shrewd relic]

But first, Hl needs to know it exists because it's not in the known issues channel

[hardy owl]

true

[wide swift]

maybe post a clear video of the invisible hitbox issue here, and then ping odinson tomorrow or something

it happens with axes and the trap shields too, if someone went into one with a shield

[hardy owl]

yeah

[gritty crest]

ehh, i wouldn't feel too bad, they already moved on to the next strongest thing

just part of the process for them

[ancient fjord]

After balance patch, I see more problems with

[delicate mason]

What

[wide swift]

Wish the balancing were postponed a week or something, to include VHS. Sucks not having any timeline again for when it’ll get balanced

Her not being nerfed will make people skip upcoming events too.

[brisk burrow]

Remove the boost stacking and 3 shield boost and shed gonna be working a 9-5 at arbys

This character would be so much less problematic if they nerfed her boost and fixed the projectile/trap

[dull helm]

What im nervous about is that the last patch only had Duration, damage or boost speed nerfs and buffs.
I can imagine them only nerfing Surges boost speed and the trap damage, but leave everything else; when really its more technical things like hitbox glitches and design that need the most attention.
Maybe itll be fixed with focus on the Ice bug, but i can imagine them taking a overly simple route.

Theres some hitbox nerfs that I think they missed this round through.
There's no reason DHL projectile shouldnt be jumpable. Many of the new characters' traps are active instantly when they spawn in, and should have even a couple milliseconds more lag.

[delicate mason]

Valhalla Silver

[rose spire]

Green Lantern Silver

[hardy owl]

@sick cedar can y'all just disable Valhalla Surge until she gets fix with all these invincibility axes not being able to dodge them so we can actually see how the balance changes work out

[hazy plank]

Unfortunately they can't

[hardy owl]

why?

they disabled darkspine before

[hazy plank]

I believe they only Disabled a character if the Character causing Serious Harm for players like Bugs for example

EGS should've been Disabled before tho

But fortunately we got him nerfed two days ago after his First Season disaster

And talking about her Boost, It seems wouldn't fair if she got 3 Defensive Shielding while during usage of the Boost

It should've been One Defense and boom. We called the day

[shrewd relic]

Any character with an ice attack should have been disabled when the balance update came.

[hardy owl]

facts

[wide swift]

I am done

the balancing was cool but since she's still here and unchanged it's not even fun, you can't even experience the changes. I'll be back when she's nerfed 😮‍💨

[tired mountain]

Chaos just randomly pop an ice wave and made me 1st to 4th

[shrewd relic]

Same here.

[wide swift]

Forgot I wanted to sent a clip from that second match

The “invisible axe” bug, in a short clip

I hope it can be fixed with her balancing, this seems more like a bug. It happens on the trap, too

[willow ibex]

There is a player level 9 that's almost to 6k

Are you kidding me

What is this character dude 😭

I've never seen a character THIS buggy

[tired mountain]

I want to see your collection tbh

[plain lantern]

I don't know if it is a bug or is in purpose, but if you want to have a competitive game you need to remove the stacking boost mechanic

[tight plaza]

Yup she needs to be disabled next event

[nocturne cypress]

NERF SURGE VALHALLA

This character is very anoying

[tight plaza]

Yes

And I'm trying to make espio lv 14

[steep copper]

Even snowdrift was less buggy

[willow ibex]

LMAO

[steep copper]

Crazy how much vhs is buggy

[willow ibex]

Ikr, she looks so unpolished

I mean don't get me wrong, the animations and design are nice

but these attacks are so buggy dude

[delicate mason]

the screen shakes literally when I jump over an axe

[steep copper]

Invisible projectile and trap, weird hitbox, boost disapearing when using it

Crazy

[willow ibex]

I'm just

[steep copper]

The axe is too heavy for the game

[willow ibex]

I'm just really hoping this'll be the last time a character is this annoying

[steep copper]

😭🤣🗣️🗣️🗣️

[willow ibex]

I genuinely don't wanna play the game but oh ma god

RINGSS

[steep copper]

doubt

onion rings

[willow ibex]

get jolly with it

[steep copper]

yummy

[delicate mason]

almost as bad as caseoh

[steep copper]

Caseoh is more heavy than the axe that it would create a black hole in the game

[willow ibex]

one jump and it's over 💔

One Jump Man

[steep copper]

Real, all characters gone

Including sonic

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[willow ibex]

Including blaze

[delicate mason]

game is done for

[steep copper]

If they create caseoh, we cant even select him

[willow ibex]

anyway

uh

Valhalla surge am I right

[delicate mason]

pizza

[steep copper]

Galahad

[delicate mason]

Galahad pizza

[cloud edge]

Nerf this girl

[slim bramble]

So how long will they wait till fix vs?

[gritty crest]

we'll still have to see about that, but it's probably not going to be soon

[abstract raptor]

likely Halloween since that's when the next version update should be

[wide swift]

Good luck with your next events 👋 I quit, not waiting around for her to get nerfed.

[hazy plank]

😭

Strategic Point there!

Sayonara Goosie Boi

[fresh fulcrum]

Game was balanced already, without her nerf it became pointless

[hazy plank]

Welp screw this Woman brah 🔫

[fresh fulcrum]

Invisible axes everywhere 💩

[hazy plank]

Frr

[glacial flicker]

Nerf this armoured vomit ball already

I keep getting zapped countless times with her janky items

Axes keep hitting me without even touching them!!!!!!!

[hazy plank]

Hitbox issues apparently

[spice kiln]

Nerf idea:

Axes:

1. No more retrieve able
2. Jump-able when it's being thrown

Boost:
Reduce speed and duration

Trap:
Slow down the speed of the movement

[spice kiln]

Is that good idea to nerf lol

[hardy owl]

@spice kiln

[spice kiln]

Now I just realised this lol

[crimson plover]

hardlight when it comes to making overpowered characters and "nerfing" them a month later

[spice kiln]

Or nerfing the one that wants buff lmao

[hardy owl]

nobody got nerf that need a buff

[spice kiln]

:.....

[hardy owl]

umm invincibility need to be more balance it was to fast

[spice kiln]

His kit is relying too much on so without it he doesn't have anything literally

Shed light is too easy to avoid and lockup is useless when you can't catch up from behind 🤦‍♂️

[hardy owl]

seem like you just not using him correctly to me and the only think he need is just a buff to sheds light is to make it deal damage faster

[spice kiln]

Pls explain I'm not using him correctly

I know the lockup is there for comboing with Shed Light

But the thing is if you are far left behind he literally can't do anything but desperately relying on to catch up

Or pray for luck if shed light can do any trick

And for the buff you stated, I do agree

His level up of increasing damage is not helping when players can dodge it so easily 🤦‍♂️

[hardy owl]

if you fall that far behind probably just got combo or didn't use your boost

or you against a character with broken boost like VHS

[spice kiln]

I still think he needs the buff though 😔

When got nerf and I have tested out half of them aside of (don't care) (saw ppl use her and still good) (welp he's quite suffering), really suffers the most that he can even barely make to no 2

Other units are still good

[hardy owl]

he only suffer from bad attack his stats really help him with invincibility boost

[spice kiln]

At least if doesn't exist at that match could still win the match easily

[hardy owl]

i can 1vs1 you and still win most of the match if i use dv and you use any other invincibility characters

like the only think he need is shed light dealing damage faster

[spice kiln]

The only part we could hope for

[plain lantern]

Plv 9 at 6k with VHS.

[agile mica]

Wow shocking news

Definitely not carried at all

[lost apex]

Okay so I haven't spoken here

Let's just wrap this up because we're all tired

Valhalla was a stupid addition, Noone asked for a Surge skin so quickly and even if people did no one said about making her so broken to the point where you physically cannot beat her

Her projectile is probably the most bugged thing she has. It spawns two axes (most of the time) on the lanes parallel by her and when you are next to her even if you aren't touching her! You get zapped. There is not cooldown or stop to this either because the developers generously made it so she can continuously keep picking up more and more axes until the race looks like a war in medieval times

Her boost is literally just speed 10 Invincibility. There's no essence of the "3 shield" thing. Who is going to hit her Up to 3 TIMES whilst she's boosting. It's almost dang near impossible to pop her boost. "No shield no boost 🤓 👆 " might aswell gave her post buff Invincibility and speed 10 and said yeah. (Her boost also has a bug at the end of the race where it zaps you 🙃

Her trap should never be a thing ever whether in the future or right now. 3 lanes of moving shields with a nasty hitbox that sometimes even goes invisible by what I've seen and experience. Does unpolite damage aswell so thanks for that 😐 on 6 lane tracks don't even bother lol. It's very hard to even jump through the fast moving gaps of the shields alone. I feel like if ANYTHING it should work like Spear trap but Spear trap has been a problematic trap for years so not that. Maybe just make the shields static and it can be a tricky tower trap situation

All in all this character disgusts me and pretty much anyone that bothers about this game. I don't know when you guys will learn to handle and playtest these characters and I don't know why whether we release and do nothing about them afterwards. People keep leaving and It's a sum of everything you've done from Zazz to Supers to Werehog to Infinite from Tikal and to Uc and to All the other 2023 pricks and Dragons lol

If this doesn't sum it up I don't know what will read if you want to but this is how the playerbase feels

[shrewd relic]

Damn…facts ⬆️

[lost apex]

Sorry for the minor spelling errors and mistakes but most people will still get the message

[silent flame]

Now this is what I call “Speaking your mind”

It’s honest, straight to the point, and reasonable. Regardless of who was accountable for the existence of , the situation itself is absolutely uncalled for.

[shrewd relic]

I don’t understand why we can’t have legitimate sonic characters that have legitimate roles in this franchise as new characters instead of made up characters

[rose spire]

Wow, this actlly sums everything up perfectly...

[hardy owl]

need to add egs to the list

[rose spire]

Oh yea true. His "balancing" made him utterly useless.

[hardy owl]

he's B tier now so that good

still pretty good for climb

[jovial vigil]

just do this imo

• Berserker's Axes reduced speed, can only be re-thrown once (or remove the rethrowing part altogether)
• Viking Offense reduced speed, reduced duration, shield hits reduced to 1
• Thunder Shield Wall increased interval between raising/lowering, reduced damage

[steady river]

Good nerfs

Honestly Thunder Shield Wall should just act like Spear Trap

[hardy owl]

@jovial vigil

[rose spire]

Oh well, that's good to hear. I only hv him on lvl 1, so that's me not being so reliable..

[eager kettle]

What tier are you in playing vampire shadow?

[gritty crest]

thank you viipa, i hope they hear your suggestions out

oh jesus i thought the message was made today

i didn't notice my chat was so far back

[next ivy]

Valalala Surge

[hardy owl]

finally nerf suggestions for Valhalla surge

Projectile rework

• Single lane 2 pickup, with similar distance to wallop.
• axes can only be rethrow once.
• buff the damage abit since it only going to be single lane.
• Make it jumpable when it is thrown.
• Reduce the speed of the axe.

Boost
• Make boost similar duration and speed with 1 shield like Jingle Boost, with the visual of the 3 shield.
• Remove the ability to stack boost.

Trap
• Make the trap alternation alot slower.
• Reduce the damage of thunder shield.

Bug Fixes

• Fix invisible hitbox left after axes been rethrow.
• Fix invisible hitbox left after someone run into the shield.

@wide latch

the nerfs we need

[stark bane]

I hope Valhalla Surge gets bitten by a goose.

[cinder fossil]

So true

[steady river]

Also don't buff the damage I'm completely fine with her getting pushed into the ground

[crimson plover]

who thought a 3 hit shield boost was a good idea

your lucky to even hit her once

[steady river]

Might as well be invincible

[hardy owl]

ikr

[plain lantern]

being able to stack the boost is just a big mistake

[delicate mason]

green banana

food

me eat 🧌

[steep copper]

Eat banana

[delicate mason]

ooo

better banana

me eat 🧌

yum

[keen latch]

One word: Broken

[brisk burrow]

On everyone’s soul EXCEPT mine
They should buff valhalla 💯

[hardy owl]

buff all knuckles variant yes