Valhalla Surge

[sick cedar]

A place to discuss new Challenger, Valhalla Surge!

Showcase - https://youtu.be/yLmg0a0siuo

[steep copper]

[shrewd relic]

The only thing I am relieved about is how Berserker's Axes is not a three-lane attack.

Viking Offense needs a nerf in duration and speed. It goes as fast as pre-nerf Beat/Bass Boost and some current meta boosts like Claw Boost. It also lasts either longer than them or as long as them.

I think Berserker's Axes should be like Phantom Dagger and not go through obstacles. If it hits an obstacle, it should be gone upon collision.

Not really sure about what to do with Thunder Shield Wall, honestly. It is a unique trap that goes up and down.

[hazy plank]

Makes sense for just an Basic Weapon. Like, how unfair that was goin' through any Objects

But I'll say she'll be breaking the game once again after her Original Skin was debuted

[topaz swan]

To be honest, why is her Boost "Viking Offense" much longer than Volt Bolt? How can we suppose to hit her 3 Times to stop it?

[hazy plank]

Ugh...

Truly a painful opponent of course... After EGS, then we have this

Everyone's gon' carry her so bad

[steep copper]

she need a boost nerf

[hazy plank]

Especially for those who are Fan of her

[topaz swan]

Haha, I know a few for sure who wants to MAX her asap since she has new Items to get, but it turned out to be too much to see.

[topaz swan]

Though the Speed itself makes it obnoxious to even dodge/slide it except the free Lane

[hazy plank]

Oh uhm... Brayfraz literally--

[eternal shuttle]

we have to be kidding

[shrewd relic]

Speed nerf it is, then.

[topaz swan]

Well, I am already scared how much he's going to enjoy it very soon

[shrewd relic]

I am more afraid of how Valhalla Surges will be everywhere tomorrow with how many people have been able to get the Valhalla Surge bot in their races.

[topaz swan]

Take a Look at this #📱screenshots message
Unlocked before tomorrow lol

[shrewd relic]

WTF!

[topaz swan]

Yea, they only did this
And I was like: How is that even-?!

[spice kiln]

The event hasn't started yet and ppl already ask to nerf her? Lol

[topaz swan]

Whadda know

[spice kiln]

I can just know her trap is annoying

[shrewd relic]

Thank what the teaser showed for getting me to start the "nerf Valhalla Surge" thing.

[rose spire]

Yea... it just moves up and down repeatedly like slow down!

I'd rather take tricky towers over them any day!

[dawn frigate]

Dope new skin

[delicate mason]

Valhalla Silver

[agile mica]

And this what happens after you unlock the character before release

[delicate mason]

had to be grinding all day and night on this bot 💀

[agile mica]

Yes, still am

[delicate mason]

oh this is your acc

and you got metal 3.0 and grim max

nice

[topaz swan]

Lol
She isn't found in the Roster

[fading forge]

Green hedgehog

[sharp moat]

she's gonna be more meta than
she litterally owned a max level metal sonic in my race once

[worthy halo]

Nah nothing can ever be worse than EGS tbh
She’s not terrible to deal with currently, but can definitely prove to be a nuisance some time or another

I also see they closed the EGS chat, this is our last chance to pray he gets nerfed properly

[hardy owl]

Valhalla surge baby added her to the game now so i can use her

[hardy owl]

ikr ppl already want bolt volt bolt to be nerf and now Viking offense is way better than it

[tight plaza]

What's this? What's this?

[tired mountain]

Honestly the projectile is the least problem

In her kit

[agile mica]

What about these jumpscare eh axes then

Can't imagine how many real players are gonna spam dem axes this far behind

Everything she has currently goes wrong lmao

Damage also has critical hits at times so it's not gonna be good to deal with

[hardy owl]

all you need to do is switch lane when hitting item back to cover 4 lane

[gritty crest]

so guys, how busted is she?

[steep copper]

boost and trap are the only busted thing

[agile mica]

P much

[hardy owl]

top 10 have to see her in matches

[gritty crest]

oh man

[hardy owl]

projectile pretty broken 2 the distance it travel and it stop like wallop

[steep copper]

projectile is same range as fireball but weaker dmg

[agile mica]

Her projectile is gonna be a huge problem in long ranges tho

[hardy owl]

pass throw walls

[agile mica]

No sound effects and no warning sign incoming 💀

[hardy owl]

ikr

[agile mica]

It also removes one of your item so GL not failing the sandbagging

And pray it doesn't get rid of the boost if you get hit by it

[agile mica]

Bro now's getting more cards than me wth 💀

Where is the bottt??

[hardy owl]

ik searching i have 3 slots open

[steep copper]

that's crazy, i have 100 cards only

[hardy owl]

I'm just on that grind

[jovial vigil]

I got no cards

I'm assuming she'll be around strong tier or lol tier

[placid ruin]

[shrewd relic]

Congrats for 1k subs @placid ruin

[spice kiln]

After 2 matches with not wonder ppl already ask for nerfing her lol

[fading forge]

💀 wth

How are yall getting cards for her

[placid ruin]

Clutch boosted by the bot

[hazy plank]

[tired mountain]

Actually did they even measure the speed

I feel like they just put random numbers and call it a day

[agile mica]

?

[jovial vigil]

[cloud edge]

Charmy espio skin when

[shrewd relic]

[shrewd relic]

[fallow veldt]

Me want big nerf like big big nerf

[fresh fulcrum]

[viscid ivy]

shes good

[steep copper]

need boost nerf

and trap

trap is spear trap but in steroids

[fallow veldt]

Everything s on steroids

[south otter]

I can't wait to get Valhalla Surge, she looks awesome.

[manic orchid]

Her boost is insanely broken

Idk what happens in hls studio

They been giving us the Most forgettable chars ever the last 6 months and suddenly they are releasing chars like this surge and egs

The mid chars period was just them charging up to release this creatures

🌚

[viscid ivy]

valhalla vs camelot event

i see it happening

[sharp moat]

hear me out guys, og surge vs valhalla surge rival battle

[jovial vigil]

we should call her VhS for short cause Vampire Shadow

[silent flame]

Warlock vs Valhalla would be cool for VS battles

Even though it would be one sided, at least the overall theme would be fitting lol

[hardy owl]

that what we need

[steep copper]

Warlock vs Pyromancer Blaze because both are magicians

[jovial vigil]

Mean Girls event:

[livid wasp]

[silent flame]

50+ Challenger battles

[jovial vigil]

you can get hit by her axes while they're stuck on the ground, but they don't do much damage

it's like Pink Spikes x2

[eager kettle]

WHAT

[agile mica]

It's also an electric item type so it's gonna happen at times

[shrewd relic]

I just realized this is because of the Valiant Tails offer bug that allowed some lucky players to get him so early. HARDlight apparently did not want to make the same mistake with Valhalla Surge.

Now if only some kind of precaution akin to this one could be done with future characters before their release. That would really help the game.

[livid wasp]

If you remember the infinite debut , they did very well

[shrewd relic]

Good point.

[fallow veldt]

That was the first time a challenger existed

And that infinite is different from the current infinite

[livid wasp]

Time to grinding

[shrewd relic]

Though what I meant was making some precautions for future characters so they do not get released OP.

[fallow veldt]

Valhalla's boost is the definition of "all in one"

very long
Fast
Invincible
Deals damage
No delay

Sadly it doesnt fly

[shrewd relic]

I have no idea if that would make Viking Offense more OP or not.

[velvet oracle]

Is she out?? Bc now I have the Event??

[fallow veldt]

Do you see her?

Detector's event didnt end yet

[velvet oracle]

Ok but why can people get ??

[fallow veldt]

No

Even if you unlock her you cant play as her yet

[fallow veldt]

Because Valhalla surge challenger comes in races randomly giving u challenger chests for her cards

[hardy owl]

before the event start

[steep copper]

🥶

[fresh fulcrum]

Bruh 💀

[agile mica]

Pre release results

[topaz swan]

That's a lot

[topaz swan]

Oh geez lol

[eternal shuttle]

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING SHES WORSE THAN DHL

WHAT IS THIS

SHES SO FAR AND CAN GET ME

NAHH 💀

they smoked smth 😭

[sharp moat]

DHL?

[eternal shuttle]

Dragon Hunter Lancelot

[worthy halo]

I’ll take it back- I already just raced actual players using Valhalla Surge and it was one of the most miserable experiences I’ve had in this game 💀☠️☠️

Projectile spam + a moving trap + very long boost

Bro it’s cooked

[agile mica]

Told you all lmao, everything going wrong with her

[worthy halo]

As long as she can’t finish a race in 10 seconds, she’s under EGS tho
In fact shes probably right under him and around the dragon characters range of broken

[agile mica]

She's probably above the dragons since her boost protects you and still is faster with 2 shields, but slower when she only has 1 shield

And her trap is also pretty confusing, sometimes you can get lucky getting the right pattern while you're also exhausted, but most of the time she'll still get you eventually

[worthy halo]

Yeah the best option with the trap is to go into an open lane

[worthy halo]

That’s true

At least the boost can’t one shot end your race unlike the dragons boost

Still incredibly annoying though

[agile mica]

Yeah cause you'll still have a hard time to hit her multiple times unless the player is REALLY lacking

[crude stirrup]

She's annoying fr

[placid ruin]

Well, this is something

[magic lily]

New Surge is crazy all right

[steep copper]

She is

trap is spear trap on steroids that is almost impossible to slide or jump, boost is fast and has shields, projectile can go far away and has a long range like fireball with a critical hit aswell

[cloud edge]

another skin for the collection

[steep copper]

[wide swift]

stacking boost

why tho

[jovial vigil]

wait her boost is INVINCIBLE?

[wide swift]

no, it has 3 shields to protect her from damage

but the boost stacks

[agile mica]

You have to team up against her to destroy all of her shield, or be a god spam by yourself to destroy all her shields at once

[wide swift]

Petition to cancel stacking on all boosts except home run

overall she's fun, the concept for her axes is cool. The trap is scary.

She's a top unit. I would adjust the boost so it cannot stack, and maybe the damage on the trap a little lower. Then see how she is, but right now she's just a bit too good.

[turbid canopy]

Omg she stacks....

Also I say keep stacking on Ultimate Waveform too 👀

[wide swift]

oh yeah that boost stacks too lol. I don't really mind that one, it's such a bad boost it can have stacking

[lavish wigeon]

Can someone explain this crit thing to me? I’ve been playing for years and this is the first I’ve heard that some attacks can crit.

[jovial vigil]

how does her boost stack

[wide swift]

check out video @jovial vigil

if you use her boost right before you pick up an item box, you can grab another boost. When the boost ends, I still have another one ready to go

[jovial vigil]

people started to notice this for anyone or is this unique to her

[wide swift]

is the famous boost that is known for stacking, it's not totally new

but it's probably not intended for her boost to do this, considering how fast and strong it is already

[willow ibex]

the bot is devious wth

[manic orchid]

Its something elctric attacks can do

Sometimes if you are unlucky, an electric item will crit you aka you will have to accelerate first before you gain your full speed back

Without a crit you would be back at full speed immediately

[shrewd relic]

Her damage output isn't too bad but it's way to easy to hit people. The axes staying put and acting like auto mines needs to go, the boost needs a nerf, and the trap needs to not move up and down. This game is such a joke

[glossy bison]

Fr I’m tired of her already

Praying on the downfall

[shrewd relic]

I can't wait till this godawful game finally dies

[turbid canopy]

It will never die silly, it prints too much money

[shrewd relic]

I know that lol but every time they for some reason add a new character instead of fixing the known problems this game gets worse ❤️

[turbid canopy]

Yeah, hopefully they do better in the future and balance things out in bigger chunks

[shrewd relic]

[jovial vigil]

apparently you gotta hit her THREE TIMES to get her out of the boost

obstacles instantly get you out of it it seems

[turbid canopy]

What were they cooking....

[sage yew]

I imagine a vs event for no reason

[hardy owl]

2 meta characters in the space of 2 month

[gritty crest]

so, boost stack on a fast shielded boost that damages, pratically infinite projectiles, and an extremely high damaging trap that can be awkward to avoid, all which can remove your items because electric damage

no words

ARES! PLEASE, MAKE A TIRED EMPLOYEE IN SEGA HARDLIGHT ACCIDENTALY DELETE ALL REPOSITORIES, DATA AND BACKUPS OF SPEED BATTLE, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[delicate mason]

🗿

[willow ibex]

what are these guys DOING

[steep copper]

they def not cooking 🗣️

[eternal shuttle]

i rather GAMBLE ON SSS than THIS

[dull helm]

To give positives. Everything about this skin looks sick! The projectile is cool and its mine property makes the weapon feel tangable. The shields are intimidating, and powerful, yet in my opinion balanced enough (probably wrong). The visuals make things look like a battlefield. I just don't understand this OP character mentality. Maybe its to justify the extra effort in annimation, why make things look great if no one will play the character. But it makes the game worse for everyone

But the concept is fanatastic and unique. Making Surge Thor is a great idea. The render is decent and the model is great. Theres continued innovation on what an attack can look like which is always good

[glad mirage]

Val surge can use another player axes?

[eternal shuttle]

why am i even trying to collect this crap

HOW did hl think this was good too 😭🙏

[glad mirage]

Tbf You got hit by your own mine

[eternal shuttle]

we don't talk about that one

im fr taking her level 2 and dip again until a balanced character comes out (impossible challenge)

[wide swift]

it seems more important than ever to limit the amount of attacks that each player can have on the field at one time...

if you have (4) axes on the field already, throwing another pair should cause the first 2 to despawn, so you only ever have 4 total on the field at once

[rose spire]

So basically remove Planet Wisp..

Well being part of it

[delicate mason]

Or remove everything except Silver

[rose spire]

Silver running on nothing.. where the heck did the track go?

[wide swift]

if you can't litter the entire map I think that's a good start

[rose spire]

Yea so remove some item boxes.

[wide swift]

it wouldn't really fix the problem because the issue isn't just on mining mayhem lol

we need to have a limit for how much litter one player can put on the field at one time... most traps despawn after some time. The axes either don't ever despawn, or have a very long time before they do

one player can put like 30 of them out and if you're behind thats a lot of dodging

[rose spire]

Wait rlly? Wow that's dumb.

A cooldown for each ability on a characters kit I suppose can work.

Definitely wld decrease spam.

[wide swift]

it's scary to think how mining mayhem matches will look once this gets going

not looking forward to it 😂

[wide swift]

maybe, it's hard to think what can balance this

[rose spire]

Well uhh it's definitely gonna be.. festive.

[agile mica]

Trap taking so long to dissapear I fear

[rose spire]

Is that even intentional or a bug?

[wide swift]

even the trap lingers for too long dang

they set the duration of traps manually, like Zazz's star trail disappears very fast after he places them

I don't know how this was overlooked, with the amount of items she can put out on the field..

[rose spire]

So it was intentional..

[wide swift]

probably

[rose spire]

Well now that we hv confirmation that they know abt this from teasers (especially with HL Ambassadors playing as em early)

It's prbly safe to say this was done on purpose...

Otherwise they wld hv delayed her.

[spice kiln]

Same with windmill too

[rose spire]

The Blue Tornado too??

Bruh

[wide swift]

that trap doesn't disappear, just like tornado trap

[spice kiln]

No I mean the trap

Not that blue wind

[wide swift]

yeah that trap is called blue tornado

[rose spire]

Yea

[spice kiln]

Oh I though it will disappear as well

[wide swift]

nope, not even if someone hits it first

unlike emine, where if one person hits it, it disappears in that lane

3 people can hit a tornado on the same lane

[rose spire]

I mean that's self explanatory since it.. blow up.

[wide swift]

well for many traps they disappear when one person hits it

storm clouds, ice mines, even hedge maze

[rose spire]

The Blue Tornado shld just simply break

[spice kiln]

I just knew this

[rose spire]

[glad mirage]

Weird i see the shields dissapear when someone hits it

[wide swift]

yea the shields do, thankfully

[eternal shuttle]

thankfully something i can't say

[jovial vigil]

13 challengers.

[crimson plover]

i like how red is just there

it looks so out of place i love it

[tight plaza]

Bear through the axes

[slate tartan]

thanks for making another cool character be absolutely insufferable ingame just to add onto the insurmountable pain that was playing competitively 🙏😇🎴❤️

anyway as for more productive feedback

maybe fix the fact that the projectile just.... hits whilst being invisible, that'd be a phenomenal start
give it some audio when shot by other players (i know you guys love making things silent to make them better but it's not good game design 😛)
also give it warning signs lmao

give all 3/5 lanes of the trap a consistent and equal motion rather than inconsistent alternation

boost is fine but fix the stacking idk how that got through

[shrewd relic]

I think consistent alternation with the trap would be a really good nerf too.

[gritty crest]

get rid of that and put red gate ruins back as it was meant to be

anyways, 0/10 for val surge 👍

don't know how they were able to make another character where every single item is overtuned as balls till kingdom come in such little time, but hey!

[hardy owl]

Nerf for Valhalla Surge

Projectile
• the range of the projectile should be same as wild cards or wallop.

or

• keep the distance make it a single lane projectile with chance of getting 2.

Boost
• the boost duration should be the same as fortune boost or jingle Bell boost.
• remove the ability to stack the boost.

Trap
• make alteration between the trap alot slower so it give person better chance of dodging.

[willow ibex]

I just

this game disappoints me, man

we had egs like 2 weeks ago

and then we get a busted character

why did we have to wait almost an entire month just to balance a dude

[scarlet idol]

And glitched freeze

[steel pier]

I just wanna have a Surge alt who doesn't release utterly broken and make people miserable for months before I feel comfortable playing her 7 nerfs later lol, feels bad man

[scarlet idol]

Bro this meta might just be the worst there's too many op characters (egs, this new surge, and literally any decent character with freeze)

And when u play them u feel like a 7 y/o so u don't play them and wind up getting cooked right and left

[shell linden]

Broken she need nerf

[glacial flicker]

They nerfed the og surge just to release a more broken alt of her lol

This game keeps getting worse

[fresh fulcrum]

Real

Trap is stupid, projectile is irritating

3 shields on her boost and it stacks also 🧌

[glacial flicker]

Imbalance at its peak 🔥🔥🔥

[dull helm]

Give the trap more starting lag. Tactically its good to place a trap where they have little time to react to it, but with some new traps (noticed it with firecracker first) they can literally spawn behind you and hit you because theyre active instantly.

[eternal shuttle]

i can't do this crap anymore can they delete her already

[shrewd relic]

I don’t understand why she even exists? Every time we get a new character it causes problems

[silent flame]

It’s like dropping crazy kids off at a daycare and letting them run wild

[wide swift]

I just don't know how to enjoy the game like this, I can't use any of my favorites anymore

[spice kiln]

I'm thinking to quit the game until get nerfed

[wide swift]

All my faves are 4th place simulators, and it's unlikely the balance patch will address surge.

Very, very disappointed that we waited this long for EGS nerf and then they put this out right before the nerf

We don't get a momentary break from this stuff.

[wide swift]

I am going to after I get to my ISJ goal this event

It's just not fair, and I'm tired of it

[spice kiln]

I have a name for duo rn: disaster twin 🤦

[hazy plank]

You can name it because it really fits lmao

[spice kiln]

I just want to have fun with I grind hard until lvl 11, and here goes who always zaps your items away

Luckily I didn't pay for vault 😒

Else I am madder than before

[wide swift]

My maxed Chrono, maxed mummy, and lvl 15 valentine get to have SO much fun, boosting all match every match and never catching up lol

[slate tartan]

great one guys im really glad this got through

[spice kiln]

Just lemme enjoy in the game I beg you hl

[wide swift]

This is the game now

[fresh fulcrum]

Can’t even keep your boost in peace anymore, axes flying from every corner removing your items

Man…

[spice kiln]

Man even can't escape from that

[jovial vigil]

done

[steep copper]

[fresh fulcrum]

Why are her axes invisible sometimes 🗿

They just spawn out of nowhere

[jovial vigil]

the boost icon vanishes for like half a second when you use it which is why you can STACK IT

[willow ibex]

I swear to god if they don't nerf her in the balance patch

I'm gonna

bro they're probably gonna leave her alone for another month 💀

hella annoying that we get a broken character

and not even a month later we get another one

[stark bane]

How did she even make it through playtesting... She's so overtuned it's gross.

[jovial vigil]

projectile that is very fast, covers 2 lanes, is unjumpable (?), and becomes a trap

boost takes 3 hits (unless it's an obstacle), and stackable because the icon vanishes for half a second when used

trap that is hard to dodge cause it keeps moving up and down

...yeah.

the projectile AT LEAST tickles even if it's so good in every other aspect

[stark bane]

Trap damage needs to be lowered notably. Speed at which the shields of the trap move up and down need to be slowed down.

Boost takes 3 hits to nullify, needs a drastic nerfing as it seems even FASTER and LONGER than the boost she has as regular surge.

The dual axes are lane wall types that go far and REALLY fast...
Distance and speed of them definitely needs to be nerfed somewhat.
They should also at least be able to be slid under.

[tired mountain]

The fact that they made Viking offense when fortune boost exists gives us a pretty clear idea that the devs doesn’t know what balance means

[jovial vigil]

the low projectile damage is probably the only bad thing about her even with everything else

[jovial vigil]

also jingle boost

[stark bane]

Her axes deal motobug levels of shock stun so yeah that's the only thing about her that's alright.

[stark bane]

This is also how she is at under lvl 4 so far btw. Meaning upgraded she's likely MUCH MUCH WORSE to go against...

[wide swift]

the axes get damage upgrades

[tired mountain]

It still only tickles at max

[wide swift]

and I definitely feel it when I hit the lvl 14 bot vs a low level player

it's not a ton but I think it also crits

which is really cool

[jovial vigil]

doesn't every electric damage attack crit

[wide swift]

idk if all of them do but I know the only ones that have before were electric

[glossy bison]

I’m hoping this event ends she too broken bruh

[silent flame]

lol

We’re all going to Valhalla with this one, fellas

Surge be sending people there

[brisk burrow]

Nerf please

this character REALLY needed a stackable invincible damage dealing boost?

Might as well give her multiple pickups on the boost in case stacking is too hard

[wide swift]

dont give them any ideas

[brisk burrow]

Why not?

They are allergic to making a character decent

[wide swift]

I was just joking about the multi pickups lol

that would be dreadful 💀

[brisk burrow]

Jester was eh on release but they snuff out his damage for a 2x card chance 😐

His upgrade description doesn’t even mention it

[wide swift]

it does confuse me why they are so cautious about buffs on terribly weak and useless things

while caution is out the window when characters like these are made

[brisk burrow]

Also I might be crazy but did they really let her projectile give her a slight boost forward

I just got clutched by one and all she did was throw an item?????????

[glacial flicker]

I used to be so addicted to this game
But now i haven't opened the game for about 2 weeks
Tbx for curing my addiction hl 🙏

[willow ibex]

Was probably cause everyone kept talking about how little damage the card did

I was surprised they actually added the 2x-3x cards

[wide swift]

as someone who only was able to get lvl 5 cards for jester, I wish it was a damage buff

[willow ibex]

Yeah

[wide swift]

I get none of that buff's benefit

[willow ibex]

Even now, it still does tickle damage

[wide swift]

so he's literally as weak as before

but, maybe some day 😂

[willow ibex]

praying for small card buff

[brisk burrow]

Rng items are already bad but trap damage is non existent

[wide swift]

I preferred when his trap just did ring damage and no confusion

[shrewd relic]

I noticed the sound made when hitting a Berserker's Axe and a Thunder Shield Wall is the same as Illusion Mine.

[willow ibex]

Eh I think the confusion makes him more unique

It used to just be a spear trap clone

[wide swift]

yeah kinda like rocky road

it's fine with confusion effect too, I just struggle to keep people back at his lower level

[wide swift]

weird

[paper plume]

Is she worth getting vault for?

[brisk burrow]

Very broken

Easily top 5

[glacial flicker]

Obviously she's broken like any other new characters they release

[manic orchid]

Shes top 2

[brisk burrow]

Snowdrift falling off is wild

[wide swift]

My suggestions for balancing her better

Projectile:

• Despawn faster
• remove invisibility [BUG]
• Make them jumpable/slideable when thrown (currently have full-lane instant hitboxes)

Trap:

• Reduce damage
• Slower "shifting" animation
• Adjust for jungle maps? (See: Jester Sonic's trap on 6 lane maps)

Boost:

• Choice: Remove stacking OR Reduce speed to compensate
• Remove damage
• Reduce 3 shields to 1 shield

[hardy owl]

invincibility stackable electric boost

[wide swift]

I'm not really fixated on how she gets nerfed, I think it's just clear she needs several, not just one or two

[slender pollen]

Of all the characters to be given Chroma, why not ?

[hardy owl]

Nerf for Valhalla Surge

Projectile
• the range of the projectile should be same as wild cards or wallop.
or
• keep the distance make it a single lane projectile with chance of getting 2. ( maybe buff the damage abit )

• limit the amount of axes that can be on the map from single Valhalla surge to 4 or 5.

Boost
• the boost duration should be the same as fortune boost or jingle Bell boost.
• remove the ability to stack the boost.
• make the shield only last for 1 hit like ( fortune boost and jingle boost)

Trap
• make alteration between the trap alot slower so it give person better chance of dodging.
• probably a slight damage nerf.

[reef solar]

I think it would be better if I started playing something else. This brings back memories of 2021. Where the werehoc is Egs and the valhalla surge is Infinity.

[shrewd relic]

Some of the worst memory lanes.

[wide swift]

Bottom tier experience

I can't even play the game. all my items are constantly gone because you can't even dodge these things

[glad mirage]

The shields need to be slower Even playing as her it's pretty hard to calculate when the shields will rise or fall

[wide swift]

can we just hit the brakes for a minute on all the new characters? this is exhausting

[eager kettle]

what would you remove damage on the boost?

you tend to say that for alot of boosts changes

[hardy owl]

facts we need more balance changes and a new or old maps

[wide swift]

surge and egs both should lose damage on the boost, idk who else I said that about

[shrewd relic]

I don't understand why we keep getting new characters anyway. This game doesn't really need any and if they really wanna keep adding characterss for some reason they should at least be legitimate sonic characters instead of made up ones like unicorn cream detective vector, ice slice jet, panada amy, valhalla surge

[eager kettle]

yeah but like most boosts in this game do damage so im confused why thats the ascpect you would want to change

[wide swift]

most boosts also are slow and short compared

not stackable, no shields

idk why she needs to have it all

I'm not pitching something insane here. The worst boost in the game does no damage lol

[eager kettle]

yeah im aware but that boost is bad for so many different reasons i assumed it was something we didnt look at for deciding balance

[eager kettle]

how are people stacking the boost?

[wide swift]

right after you trigger the boost, it briefly disappears from the item slot before it starts

you can pick up another boost in that brief time, ready to go once the first ends

[eager kettle]

see this is the kind of tech this game has that i wish was more catalouged because now i know ive been playing her wrong

[wide swift]

it probably wasn't even intended, that's why

[hardy owl]

the damage on the boost for VHS is fine but that the 3 shield and duration is to much

[wide swift]

I could deal with that

I'm not terribly picky, I don't need all the things I listed those are all just my suggestions.

[crimson plover]

I was just recovering from the egs event and we get another busted character

nice

[wide swift]

That's true but there's plenty of good boosts without damage, like gold rush, whisper's boosts, home run, lancelot boost, etc

it's not the end of the world for me

[hardy owl]

speed sneakers

[wide swift]

yep, and of course good old fashion

but VHS can still keep the damage, I just suggested it as a possible balance thats all

as long as it can be balanced other ways I don't care lol

[hardy owl]

true

[eager kettle]

also

why arent their markers to show if whose axe is whose

just do a slight recolor for enemy axes

[delicate mason]

that’s funny bc I don’t remember that happening for any other character

[wide swift]

Really fun game right now, super awesome job hardlight devs!!!!!

Truly outdone yourselves this time

I really try to be forgiving because I know it's a small team but

you guys obviously don't test ANYTHING

[shrewd relic]

I feel that. With the bot, if i'm not in first place i'm tanking incredibly hard regardless of matchmaking... Congrats on max Valentine rouge btw

[wide swift]

thank you 🥲

they stole my win at the very last second there, with their RNG traps and crazy clutch boost

after I had FOUR choc locks fail to damage because they were shield protected boosting

cool game, what am I supposed to do if my well placed traps can't even damage

worthless design

[glossy bison]

Now that’s just insane

[shrewd relic]

I have her at level 3 but I have cards for max lol. Her attacks are incredibly strong!! I don't how the boost gives her three shields instead of one like fortune teller amy or nutcracker silver

[wide swift]

this dev team needs to get it together because this is ridiculous, it's actually beyond ridiculous. Lol

[glossy bison]

Nerf buff

Lmao

[wide swift]

I laugh because that's all you can do. Laugh at the flames

[glossy bison]

Is it large or short

[wide swift]

large or short what

[glossy bison]

The team

[wide swift]

their team? I hear they are a small studio

but they are still under SEGA's multi-billion dollar umbrella so idk

[glossy bison]

Ohh

[wide swift]

can we really call them small, up to you

[glossy bison]

Maybe middle

[wide swift]

we need balancing badly. more than ever lol

but they don't do that. They have a schedule for things to release, and they don't stray from it

seems like the higher-ups don't care about anything but sticking to a "plan" no matter how poorly that "plan" is executed

hence why balancing patches are like once every 6 months

yet we get a new character every other week

[glossy bison]

It might just be me but u hate when we get new characters bc I just be trying to get old characters I understand

But the new characters depends

Like hyper or something like that

🐬🌈

☀️

[wide swift]

I actually main only characters made in the last year

valentine, chrono, mummy, grim all under 12 months old

so it's not that I dislike new characters...

I dislike poorly designed & untested characters

I try to support their old & new content but only when I actually get a good experience.

Not a good experience. EGS and Surge ruin the game.

unidentifiable game

only a new SUPER ULTRA clutch booster could eat a Maxed Choc Lock and be back in front of me, while I am boosting, 4 seconds later

[brisk burrow]

Egs has no reason to deal damage
Surge is invincible btw

[crude stirrup]

Since when does Jingle Belle Amy do that?

😭

[wide swift]

I think they mean jingle boost on nutcracker lol

with a single shield

[crude stirrup]

Nerf her projectile distance

I'll say get rid of her 2 lane attack and make it a x2

Like Gawain

Her boost just remove stacking

Her trap needs to slow down too

[eager kettle]

I mean she is a low tier character

[wide swift]

what is a low tier character

[crude stirrup]

If they make her projectile single lane with x2 buff the damage too if their going for that route

[eager kettle]

Valentines Rouge, I never see her ranked highly

[crude stirrup]

Anyways what are characters that should get buffs?

I hardly see anyone talk about buffs this days

[wide swift]

she's really not bad. I took her to 6.3k a couple seasons ago, which is close to a PB for me

but I get why people say it

sadly her whole discussion thread was me suggesting reasonable buffs for her, and everyone chewing my head off and insisting that "she's fine" and "balanced" and then she fell off right after

imagine my shock lol

[hardy owl]

why talk about buff when 2-3 characters run the game

[hardy owl]

only buff vr need is 2 pick up love struck

[wide swift]

how many games you play with confusion boost characters

recently

[hardy owl]

i only main knuckles variant and i can tell you confusion boost is better than boo boost

[wide swift]

I main mummy

boo boost is much better lol

[hardy owl]

nope

maybe better damage

[wide swift]

faster and shorter, confusion boost lasts too long for how slow it is

short + fast >>>>>> long + slow

damage is irrelevant to me

I spend less time boosting as mummy in games

[hardy owl]

have you even compare the speeds the same to have the close to the same speed

[wide swift]

I'm not saying mummy's boost is great or anything lol

but it's faster at lvl 2 and much faster at 14

than confusion boost

lvl 14 boo boost was way more noticeable than 14 confusion boost...

anyway this is all opinion, I don't really care if people think she needs a buff or not. This is actually what I was talking about

[wide swift]

any small suggestion gets ripped apart by someone who has a mildly different idea of how to do it

[hardy owl]

i would say 2 pick up love struck because her trap hit like emines and lock your up your items

[wide swift]

Buff the boost

that's all I'd change

the idea of "her boost is fine... if you just ignore the 15 new meta boosts" is getting old to me

"she's balanced if you just ignore all the unbalanced stuff that isn't getting changed"

It just misses me. I hear this every time from the same people. And then guess what? None of them use the character lol

[tight plaza]

Ah I see now

[wide swift]

Another really fair and totally not stolen win

[silent flame]

“Nah, I’d win” taken to the next level

[wide swift]

feels like time to quit playing for a few months again

they can keep stealing wins, won't be from me

Maybe some day it'll be better. Not today though!

[eager kettle]

Okay so

Now that she has an actual amount of starting rings

I can safely say

[rose spire]

Say what?

[eager kettle]

This character is actually insane

[glossy bison]

A level 2 boost should not be that fast now💀

[eager kettle]

She needs to be locked away

The dash while odd should NOT be able to be chained together

She can essentially beat boost but fast

Being able to chain from one end of the stage to the other catch up and beat a dragonfire in first is INSANE

[wide swift]

After losing one of the shields*

They went right through my trap just before it so they should've been slowed due to missing a shield. Still light speed.

[eager kettle]

The axes are cool as heck tho. Please make an indicator to show you which axes are yours vs your opponents. The idea of throwing one morbillion axes at the guy in first (which importantly dont seem to do a ton of slow down, mostly deleting items) is a really cool concept

[wide swift]

Hard to appreciate anything about her in this condition

[eager kettle]

The trap is odd though. It's essentially what if someone decided to give spear trap anxiety

[wide swift]

same with EGS, I just can't really care if it's a game ruiner

The design is really good like always

[eager kettle]

Why does it keep moving so fast?

[wide swift]

Clearly they have some excellent designers, very talented. Balancing not so much. The trap looks so cool but functionally... Yikes

[eager kettle]

It's really cool but they need to slow it down

[jovial vigil]

it really should be slowed down to make it easier to avoid

[wide swift]

It's got very high damage too and an instant hitbox (they love this lately)

If it were slower it'd be fair I think

[eager kettle]

Yeah instantly hit boxes need to stop

Those dragonfire firecrackers make me wanna

In general hitboxes shouldn't be instantly active

And maybe a visual sign to show a skill is active

[livid wasp]

Since there's going to be a nerf, should I stop lvl up?

[delicate mason]

get these green bananas outta here

[glossy bison]

Get her out

[stark bane]

Did you buy oomf some robux after this

[agile mica]

The trap lasting longer is crazy

[silent flame]

lol

🤪

[glossy bison]

Bro if they not gonna nerf:ValhallaSurge and :ExtremeGearSonic am a do it myself

[silent flame]

Go to the UK and find the HQ

[wide swift]

Love it

they give characters a single trap and single projectile and then surge gets a boost with 3 shields, cool let me pick up 4 item boxes real quick

I don't get it, are we supposed to just stop playing 80+ characters in the game? These last two new releases make it feel that way

make it make sense

[glossy bison]

They in UK?

[glossy bison]

This game got me thinking a level 1 can beat a max level

[stark bane]

Another character that basically invalidates 99% of the roster and makes playing the game absolutely infuriating to play hooray!

I typically try to wait and give the benefit of the doubt that maybe it's not so bad, but I genuinely despise this character now.

[tired mountain]

I feel like the game never test new moves to compare it with previous similar ones

I think they just adjust it to whatever they want and test it

So glad the balance changes are right when this event ends

Like if they gonna make Viking offense have 3 lives then at least make fortune boost and jingle boost have more than that

Help

[tired mountain]

0:43

If there are boss fights in this game Valhalla would be a good candidate

[spice kiln]

EVEN lvl 1 could easily beat us out

Luckily I didn't buy the vault last week, else I am even madder to see the game becomes this

[tired mountain]

Bruh does this projectile have auto aim

It spawned directly on me

Like does the projectile spawn behind her

[tired mountain]

The map lives up to its name

[brazen jasper]

all balancing issues aside

i really like the name : valhalla surge

[paper plume]

When u throw the axe is their any way to tell which one is yours and which one is an opponents axe ?

[shrewd relic]

I knew I was going to unlock her with a challenger chest. Not playing another event mission.

And while one of the Valhalla Surges was obviously a bot, it feels great beating three Valhalla Surges with my boy Valiant Tails. Of course, I was only lucky.

Getting Pyromancer Blaze is going to be hell, though.

[topaz swan]

Put it on #🎨artwork

[oblique sandal]

Thanks 👍

[delicate mason]

nope

Im the one that needs to be bought robux 😪

[crude stirrup]

I feel like Valhalla Surge might be better than EGS🗿

[topaz swan]

Considering how many they are

Yea

[crude stirrup]

She has fast shield boost which can catch up to EGS

And with the stacking too

[jovial vigil]

do the devs consider valhalla being able to boost stack a bug

or is it intended

[topaz swan]

Intended or not, she's another broken Char that could've been balanced

[agile mica]

EGS is still the best character but he's having a hard time escaping her, it's his new heavy counter

[topaz swan]

No Doubt

[agile mica]

Projectile will still always lead him forward if he gets sandbagged anyways

[manic orchid]

Stop giving instant hitboxes to traps!!!!!

I just stumbled across this

[silent flame]

It’s like hitting a wall just spawned close behind you. It’s hard to see and doesn’t kind of make sense.

[topaz swan]

And why does her Trap normal instead of electric Damage?

It's like by Jester Sonic back then

[eternal shuttle]

worse*

[steel pier]

could the Challenger-bot at least not frame-perfectly throw her axes the exact moment you step into an unsafe lane lol

so many times now where I've moved into a lane and 0.2 seconds later there's an axe in my back courtesy of the bot, it's tiresome

[agile mica]

Hm

Probably switched lanes in time

K now I'm convinced it's umjumpable, no frame perfect can save you

[agile mica]

Nice hitbox

[bold oxide]

erm hl please stop making characters for four year olds thank you 😊

[silent flame]

LMAO

iPad kids eating good with this one

What a way to incorporate a wider audience, am I right?

[bold oxide]

yes 👍

[shrewd relic]

Another nerf for Berserker's Axes I have in mind is having the use of another axe luck-based. Most of the time, they will hurt VHS, just as they hurt others. Super rarely will they help her.

I had a test with Viking Offense and I discovered all three shields in the boost will get destroyed if she runs into a Thunder Shield Wall while boosting.

Okay, never mind, it does not. Just had another test and I miscalculated.

[stark bane]

Probably has to do with the game's framerate on impact. because sometimes it does eliminate more than one shield when going through it.

[shrewd relic]

I see.

[fresh fulcrum]

Game is unplayable currently

Thank you surge 🗿

[wide swift]

this trap is not okay lmao

[shrewd relic]

This brought me great joy

[fresh fulcrum]

Max PZ 🥶

[silent flame]

He still got it

[fresh fulcrum]

Yessir

Wish I had max lol

[agile mica]

Wait I just realized

Goddamn

[shrewd relic]

I never got to use him pre nerf cause I didn't get him until October 2022 when they came back he's still really though. DJ Vector is better by default because of storm clouds but I prefer Punk Zazz cause he has slightly better stats and tornados give him rings

[fresh fulcrum]

Same, I like PZ more, DJV feels heavy when I use him 😂, so I sticked to upgrading PZ, would take me a while for max anyway

[shrewd relic]

Good luck bro! Most of the surprise finds are get are for him 😂

More joy

[wide swift]

she absolutely cannot keep 3 shields on her boost

or else make clones and some projectiles remove all the shields

this entirely ruins the idea of and clones purpose

already weak characters getting power crept out of existence is wild ngl

[fresh fulcrum]

They should have just made her projectile like knight smite or something , the whole concept of throwing the axe again just makes it too spammy and annoying with the weird hitbox and axes littering the tracks removing every item it touches

Ugh this character 😑

[wide swift]

the axes are a mess of invisible crits and unavoidable damage without an attack indicator

EGS is more gamebreaking but he's gonna be easier to balance than this

everything in her kit needs like, several changes

the three shields is just the cherry on top

stacks her boost to get to the front, then soars off and you cant do anything

unless you're with 4x daggers, good luck stopping that

[topaz swan]

I just hope for more Buffs for
These Buffs didn't do anything for him
Still the worst Char in the Game
Like how the Heck can he do against the others?

[fresh fulcrum]

The shield boost is the most unnecessary addition 🗿

[wide swift]

they need to experiment with buffing weak characters & recapping them after

[fresh fulcrum]

He can’t lmao

[wide swift]

I still do better with chrono than any bunny boost character lol

significantly

[shrewd relic]

And that ends todays grind

[topaz swan]

That Gap between the Activation and Boost Out was the Cause

To stack

[wide swift]

the buffs they did didnt even make sense, like did they even read his discussion thread lol

ah yes, just what he needs

lets hope Surge gets balanced a bit more appropriately than chrono 😂

[fresh fulcrum]

I hope it gets fixed soon, maybe during the next balance changes

[eternal shuttle]

delete when

[wide swift]

the hitbox on this thing is stupid. How did that hit you lol

this happens to me all the time

looks like they gave it a single pre-nerf snowdrift tree hitbox or something lol

[eternal shuttle]

she either gets deleted or the game gets deleted by players 💀

[wide swift]

they need to see how terribly bad this has been

[eternal shuttle]

like galahad is something and even snowdrift but this is too much.

not even egs can beat her

[wide swift]

tolerance levels are plummeting

[wide swift]

I am with you, I can put up with a lot as long as I can still at least play

[eternal shuttle]

like srsly

how does egs survive that

[wide swift]

she should be disabled and re-released in the future

the entire kit needs to be reworked or we're going to be suffering for months

I'm just holding out for the balance patch at this point

[topaz swan]

Though I don't think she would be included in the one next Thursday since she's a new Char

Means we have to get through her

[wide swift]

yeah idk then they should delay the balance patch

point is they should've seen this coming and it needs to be addressed ASAP lol

[rapid plank]

Hardlight seriously needs to patch her Chain Boosting

[wide swift]

another "maybe a month or so" response will be the end of this game

well, maybe not. But for me it will be

[rapid plank]

Because if you activate her boost right onfront of another item youll get a second boost on her item slot

And can boost right after the first one is over

[wide swift]

they probably literally didn't even test her enough to know she can stack boosts

[rapid plank]

Worse part its easy to do and an unfair advantage

[wide swift]

it was something I found in my very first game using her, too

[rapid plank]

Yeah cuz her boost slot turns empty for one sec once you activate it so technically she doesnt have an item in that slot anymore

[wide swift]

Yes, just like EGS when he places a pit stop

if he gets another item before he actually runs into the pit stop, he pockets a boost for after

they seem to enjoy this mechanic lately, despite how utterly broken it is

[topaz swan]

Why is that okay?

[wide swift]

you can easily get to the front with her boost even without stacking

then you can just use another, protected by THREE shields, and nobody can stop you lol

free large gap with a 10 speed who can litter the field rapidly with electric items

I remember earlier I hit one with love struck, then they ran into a chocolate trap, and they still were boosting...

[stark bane]

Lmao

[shrewd relic]

I lost so many races that way 😭

[tight plaza]

I want her and egs to be disabled next event

[jovial vigil]

how fast is valhalla's boost?

[hardy owl]

the same duration as invincibility but has fast as dct boost

[placid ruin]

This is definitely not ok

[jovial vigil]

ok another pointer to her broken-ness

boost is good in literally EVERY WAY

[hardy owl]

they literally stuff everything into 1 boost

[jovial vigil]

• very fast on the level of DCT boost
• duration is long, on the level of invincibility
• sustains not one, not two, but THREE hits

[hardy owl]

pretty much invincibility, fast than most boost, does damage, remove items and most of all stackable

[jovial vigil]

she's basically invincible during the boost

[hardy owl]

probably might have had aoe at one point and they think it was to much

[wide swift]

this surge just runs around with her kneecap collection jar, crippling everyone in her path

[jovial vigil]

nerfs i'd like to suggest:

• Berserker's Axes reduced speed (to make it easier to avoid)
• Viking Offense sustains 1 hit (like nutcracker and fortune's boosts), reduced speed and duration
• Thunder Shield Wall reduced damage and increased interval between raising/lowering (same deal as the axes, to make them easier to avoid)

[dull helm]

Just would like to point out a nice detail in the design. The pale light bolt highlights in the quills is a very subtle but nice detail. Almost feel that should just be how Surge looks. The design and render overall looks great, and its definitelly a worthwhile design and concept to put in the game.

[tired mountain]

Boy are we lucky that balance change is right when this event ends

They better nerf her

[dull helm]

Just thinking, if the other 2 are nerfed appropriately, is Thunder Shield wall really that bad? At worst its as hard to dodge as Storm Cloud on rails eith similar damage, but it'll also often completely miss you. Also slowing down doesnt help much especially arpund corners, because if its too slow to see the rhythm then you're still guessing (i think, i might be just dumb there)

[jovial vigil]

not only do they have high damage but they also have a small interval between raising/lowering

[dull helm]

Sliding solves most cases against it, and most good traps have high damage. I feel the boost and projectile are much higher in the BS meter. The trap is very good, but i think can exist on a suitably balanced kit

Maybe with a bit of tweaking on 6 lane levels because that can get messy, maybe they always have a connected rhythm on those stages

[tight plaza]

Pretty fast

[wide swift]

They did this to Jester and the Angry Bird traps

On 6 lanes, their traps can never spawn tall, so you can always jump them

[agile mica]

God 💀

[jovial vigil]

unless you use it in the 2nd nearest to edge lane

[wide swift]

Yeah, then the edge lane gets one tall spot I think lol

[agile mica]

Yeah no this video really will motivates me to stay away from Tier 10 for good

I rather play her than EGS cause u still have a chance on winning in some ways but this is still way too obnoxious

[tired mountain]

0:50

[crude stirrup]

How do you even stack boost with her?

[wide swift]

ughhh I hate her so much lol

her trap is unbreakable, so if someone else is shielded & hits it, it visually disappears but hitbox stays

same with her axes

this character is such a mess rn

[tired mountain]

This game definitely has didn’t test much

[wide swift]

pain

[wide swift]

just use her boost right before you grab another item box

[wide swift]

this is an example of me doing it @crude stirrup

it just guarantees that after you use the boost, you have another boost in your pocket ready to use

[tired mountain]

The fact every single of her moves has a bug is wild

[wide swift]

people are saying she wont be part of the balance patch, either

I kinda believe it

we're in for it this time, gang 😔

[crude stirrup]

Welp now that I know this technique I can go on a rampage now

[wide swift]

I don't think they even really care when the game is like this either lol

so might as well "adapt" if you're gonna play, or stop playing

[agile mica]

Should've not been sent here tbh but HL also has to be aware and fix it at the same time

[wide swift]

where should it be sent

[agile mica]

DMs but it's too late now anyways

[crude stirrup]

Sadly you gotta use meta at this point

[agile mica]

Ppl already knew day 1

[crude stirrup]

You gotta "adapt"

[agile mica]

Yeah adapt, I rather tank

[wide swift]

nah it's a character discussion thread it's fine they can reply if they're tired of something being brought up lol

[agile mica]

I'm saying that cause now many ppl will abuse her

[wide swift]

that's fine with me I really couldn't care less lol

it is what it is

[agile mica]

Fair enough, just sucks still

[crude stirrup]

Nah yall should play the hit game Dragon Ball Legends

[abstract raptor]

💀💀💀💀💀💀UG4 is a hydrogen bomb relative to coughing baby egs

Haven't used her yet but I really am not a fan of her design. Shields are stupid, axes have way too much range, boost is too long

[hardy owl]

it's hit has hard as emines

[crimson plover]

super surge

[livid wasp]

25

[bold oxide]

im gonna be honest she’s really fun to play but a pain to go against

[lavish wigeon]

That’s where I’m at. And the spam if there’s more than one is unplayable.

I’ve beeb playing for /years/ and despite how trash older metas like Werehog, Infinite, Meph and the Dragon twins were this is the first time I’ve ever personally felt like this character is absolute trash

I want to like her. She’s super fun to play as, but good god she’s miserable to play against. It would be one thing if she was quick OR strong OR spammy, but she’s all 3. And as soon as there’s more than one the game is borderline unplayable due to all the spam

The only thing that can counter it is her super fast nearly invincible, stacking boost

[nocturne cypress]

Nerf surge valhalla 💀

he is an annoying character

[trail grail]

This char is broken but why is she also so glitchy?

• The projectiles don’t have a warning sign
• The projectile’s hitbox can often be nonsensical before it’s thrown
• If you hit her shield during her boost you dont get an icon
• You can stack the boost
• The trap can hit you before you even see the trap
• There are still crits lol

Even if the moves were working as intended I’d still want them all nerfed because she’s incredibly annoying to race but the fact it feels like she barely works as intended just makes things worse

[shrewd relic]

Question is will she be nerfed properly and in a timely manor?

[topaz swan]

I don't think she'd be included in the Balance Patch next Thursday since she's a new Char

[tight plaza]

Well there has to be like a change to where she can't stack her boost

[shrewd relic]

That's the problem...They never fix anything on time and when they finally do it's never fixed properly 😔

[hardy owl]

• remember the invisible axes hitbox that stay after she throw the axes again

• the projectile spawning from behind her.

• axes not being destroyed if you hit you on the first throw

[eager kettle]

you did jump into the trap alot

tbhn treat it like spear trap and dont take the gamble

triple swipe to the open lane

[shrewd relic]

I still can't believe someone actually thought this character was a good idea 💀

[dull helm]

Clawed my way to 6,000 now, my final thoughts on this Surge.
All praise in the world to design and concept, perfect idea for a character with unique moves.
But she needs nerfs.
Since the boost is electric, its shouldnt go any faster or longer than invincibility. Taking items away is enough of a perk. Also remove stacking.
The rest of the issues are simply reactability, polish and clarity.
All items need proper warning signs and sounds, and the hitboxes need to be clear and disappear when they should. A lot of this is bugs, but i think the hitbox design itself needs toned down.
At the very least the trap needs to have more start up frames, especially since it can hit jumping targets. Most traps you can spawn on people, but there is no counterplay with this one.
Even with warning signs, the projectile would still blind side you, so maybe it being slower would be nice. There should also be a visual indicator for your planted axe amongst other Val Surge's. Also i think it has a swing hitbox on pick up...remove it, it doesn't need it.
Overall, there's a lot of cool ideas here with a fun to play character, but there's some clear balance oversights, and even worse, some sloppy glitches.

[shrewd relic]

Good ideas. I think the boost shouldn't grant 3 shields it should grant only 1 like Nutctacker Silver or Fortune Teller Amy. I also think the projectile shouldn't go through walls because that genuinely shouldn't be a thing

[hardy owl]

the duration should be the same as fortune teller boost

[shrewd relic]

Agreed! 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼

[silent flame]

⚖️ 👈

It all starts to proceed… Cuz this is what we need…

👉 ⚖️

It all starts to proceed… Cuz this is what U need!

[shrewd relic]

This game is such a goddamn joke

[abstract raptor]

Why the hell are the axes unreactable

You literally cannot do anything

Why is the boost so long and fast

Why was this character made

[gritty crest]

played 4 matches against her, and i already really hate this character

i am once again proven right from a review i made of her knowing surface level stuff of her items alone, without having gone in a single match before making it

still a 0/10

stop makign new characters. period.

fix your mess instead of adding more junk into your pile

since you refuse to ensure quality, or maybe not even test things

prove me wrong, once, please.

yes, i know of the patch planned on the 26th, and it better address stuff in a noticeable manner

if it does, good! but please don't just go "welp, they're now satisfied" and then just go being reckless all over again for months and repeat a cycle

oh well, you don't care! so none of this matters anyway

[rapid plank]

I love Surge but

Seriously nerf Valhalla

Shes annoying and everyone in 6k seems to be spamming Valhalla or vanishing far away with EGS

[dull helm]

This is fair. For me, i dont yet want to change design of the attacks, just the implementation. I think a split 2 lane attack with pick up is a great idea, but the balance is way off with how it was implemented here. The boost is less inspired, but id still prefer they try to find a balanced version of a 3 shield boost rather than change it.
Otherwise every character starts playing the same way.

[eternal shuttle]

save moi- nevermind

[steady river]

Her boost (at least at Level 1) doesn’t seem to be as fast as the Dragons or Snowdrift but it’s still fast enough to keep up with them

I honestly still think that EGS is more broken because you cannot stop him once he’s in front

At least it’s easier to catch a Valhalla before they break away

[hardy owl]

idk why you comparing 2 broken characters to justify not nerfing her boost

[steady river]

No I’m not saying don’t nerf her boost

She is too broken and her boost is still too fast

It’s just that she’s surprisingly not as fast as the previous Sonic metas because knowing this game her boost would have been faster than Slipstream Whirldwind

[silent flame]

Welcome to Sonic Ball Legends

[rose spire]

What-

[silent flame]

I know it’s a Sonic game, but it’s funny how Sonic meta characters are just too good compared to other metas.

[rose spire]

Oh yea good point.

[silent flame]

It has come to a point where we now have Meta and Super Meta characters.

[rose spire]

Are DCT, DFS, Dread, EGS, etc. Even considered meta anymore?

Cuz in that case Valhalla Surge wld be considered as super meta as u put it.

[silent flame]

Valhalla Surge seems to have a significantly higher net positive in match ups, so yes. EGS takes it up a notch with his best case scenario in having an unbeatable lead.

[rose spire]

Oh ok so EGS and Valhalla Surge then.

[manic orchid]

Egs is still better

But dragons i rarely see anymore tbh

[rose spire]

I'm just glad nobody's bashing on the dragons anymore

[manic orchid]

They are still top 5 at worst

🌚

[rose spire]

Yea ik

[manic orchid]

The gap between egs and valhalla and the rest of the game tho

"im telling you its this big"

[rose spire]

[silent flame]

They’re played less since it’s safer to run Valhalla Surge with that shielded boost. She’s essentially a thunder dragon lol

[rose spire]

Who copied Thor for some reason..

[manic orchid]

Yh

If you wanna climb high

And with high i mean like top 30 or something like that

Then you probably will have to choose between valhalla or egs to climb

We havent had such a "forcing you to use this chars" meta in a while (before egs)

[hardy owl]

umm werehog, release band, release infinite, release surge.

[manic orchid]

"In a while"

[hardy owl]

💀

[outer obsidian]

It makes no sense to put a character that rivals the EGS, otherwise people will only use these two characters.

[shrewd relic]

Facts

[dense pollen]

After playing as Valhalla Surge and against her, it would be impossible to say she doesn't need nerfs. I've spent nearly all of my races as a lv1 and have pulled wins that shouldn't have happened. I'm an average player at best and I'm cruising to 6k on easy mode. That said, I do like her design and kit. Her play style can be very fun, it just needs some balancing.

Berserker's Axes - Axe spam makes it nearly impossible to get and hold any items. Can't see it coming because there's no warning. Can't jump or slide under it either. It's also extremely fast and goes through obstacles. When it's picked up again, the hit box stays in the ground so you hit an invisible axe. (Definitely a bug)

• I think slowing the speed down and not allowing them to go through obstacles could help lessen the spam and axes littering the tracks.

Viking Offense - Entire boost does too much. Very fast, extended duration with lvs, damages player/removes an item, and shields protect from 3 hits. It's also stackable, though I don't know if this is intentional or a bug.

• Maybe slow the boost down when shields are lost, or let it only take one hit like Nutcracker Silver's or Fortune Teller Amy's. Remove the ability to stack if the speed and duration are not going to be reduced. It's very easy to abuse in its current state and is unfair all around.

Thunder Shield Wall - Hit box seems to be a bit wonky and clips you. Moves too fast to reliably dodge. Hits very hard.

• Slowing the movement of the trap could make it more tolerable to deal with. And if not a speed reduction, perhaps a damage reduction instead.

[shrewd relic]

Great ideas 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼

[gleaming fulcrum]

This character is broken don’t nerf her, it’ll be funny 🙂

[gritty crest]

they'll throw someone to powercreep her anyway

they don't give a damn

imma say, if they had guts to delete tracks, i think deleting characters should be on the table too

don't come talking about HL caring about how much people spent on upgrading, cuz you know they don't care about that

so i'll just leave it at that

[rose spire]

Dang...

[tight plaza]

WE SHALL FIGHT BACK WITH LBO

[shrewd relic]

All of this ⬆️

[jovial vigil]

WHY DOES THE PROJECTILE HAVE NO WARNING

I KEEP GETTING PELTED AND IT'S NIGH UNAVOIDABLE AS A RESULT

[manic orchid]

2 different things you cant compare

Stages are just in the game.

Characters are something, alot of people invested time, money and ressources in.

If they would ever do that, yknow how much people would just never buy something again

[jovial vigil]

is it just me or every time valhalla gets hit while boosting it gets slower?

[dense pollen]

I haven't seen that happening.

[gritty crest]

fair, but knowing how little they actually care, i'd see it happening one day, and yes some would stop spending on vaults and stuff, but i don't think it would be enough for anything to change or affect their profits

every single new character makes them bank regardless, so they could always just do that and not be in the red ever

[wide swift]

every lobby is full of surge now, nobody can play anything else

it's such a stacked deck against you if you choose something else

[turbid canopy]

I'm the exact same way. I can tolerate it, but it is becoming MUCH.

[eager kettle]

That's every event they release

[tight plaza]

[wide swift]

no, it is not.

[eager kettle]

If they release a good character no one in their right mind (that has levels on said character) is going to whip out og shadow

[wide swift]

the idea that this event and EGS release are "just like any other" is a joke

[eager kettle]

Any time a good special or challenger comes out there's usually 2+ of them in a lobby

[wide swift]

well that's not what you said before

you said every event, not some lol

[eager kettle]

Sorry every release event for a character

If it functions people are gonna want to use it

Because usually these new characters are cracked or people don't know how moves work and you get free wins

[silent flame]

When Detective Vector released, I had a hard time finding multiple lobbies with even 1 of that character in them, even when the event neared its end.

It’s usually when a character is hype enough or meta where you see full lobbies of the new character

[wide swift]

Well it's totally true though, people will always want to try out the new character, I wasn't meaning that's not true

I just mean the game being unplayable for other characters, it's not usually that way, that's all. Even most metas have more counters, this was particularly rough

hopefully we see more detective vectors after this balance update, he released sandwiched in a painful meta lol

[silent flame]

I guess exceptions can be made due to certain circumstances.

[wide swift]

yeah... but I noticed what you said, detective vec was rare to see, it was all EGS. lol

when he gets a recap he will get the appreciation he deserves

[steady river]

DV was underappreciated, he was a reminder of what it could have been like if we continued that streak of balanced characters before EGS

[eager kettle]

I mean he's kinda plain. Like he essentially has fancy ice mines and judgement but it flash bangs you.

I figured that's why alot of people didn't put effort in to building him

I literally read his skills and went "yeah im saving up RSR this event for the character that actually seems interesting"

Most people I know irl came to the same conclusion

He just seems boring

Like the flashlight mechanic is cool and I hope more characters get global strike moves

But compare him in effectiveness to egs,vallhala, or any other meta characters with funny win conditions and its like "why would i want to play this charcater"

[wide swift]

People like unique playstyles, it's not the most unique items I guess but together it creates a play style where you are looking to combo people with the trap then flashlight them

[eager kettle]

This is base sonics kit with extra steps. Ice mine into fireball 2

[wide swift]

I main Mummy, Chrono and Valentine, three characters you could probably make the same points about

I don't think nearly as many people have the "Why would I use this" mentality as you think

as long as the game is actually playable and you aren't heavily forced into using whatever the new meta is

but until then, sure, people will probably say that. It's pain to play even a balanced character when something as unbalanced as Valhalla or EGS comes out

[eager kettle]

We actually play a round once on ladder and i think your the only chrono silver ivs seen in ages

like actual seasons

im not denying someone uses those characters, but im trying to say being boring and or ineffecitve is why you ususally dont see full lobbies of thses characters when their events come around

[hardy owl]

ppl only like characters that give free wins

only unique thing about egs is his trap that give him a boost slipstream is similar to darkblast but you don't see lobbies full of werehog

[lucid sorrel]

YOU don’t see lobbies full of werehog…

But yeah, I agree with your point on the whole, they’ve overtuned the crap out of all of these new characters.

I think the top of the leaderboard especially thinks they need to play the top tiers because they have to keep their rating up.

[glad mirage]

Love this character but its pretty overtuned

-Double boosting its pretty dumb and shouldnt be a thing this applies with both valhalla and EGS

-A proyectile this spammable and unreactable doesnt need a 100% chance of removing a item , if they want to keep the zap effect in valhalla it needs to be like a 30%-50% of removing opponents item

-i actually thing the damage of the trap its okay-ish maybe tone down when the shields move

[eager kettle]

HEY WE RACED EARLIER

I thought your name was cool in game and wanted to tell you

[lavish wigeon]

Just venting again because I’m sick of getting Mario Karted at the end of a race of being in first with no contention because if VHS spam

I get that stuff always happens (clutch boosters, good Super players) but holy heck running a perfect race to only get hit by an axe from super far away, then a shield crit hit, then Surge shield charging through you, then everyone passing you feels super hecking bad

[fresh fulcrum]

Real

[lucid sorrel]

Thanks gg

[lucid sorrel]

I too hate it when people throw video tapes at me

Also can we PLEASE do something about crits, they have to go

[lavish wigeon]

Right, it’s the worst!

[lavish wigeon]

A million times this. It’s bad enough getting stopped briefly and losing an item. There being a (seemingly fairly high) RNG chance of getting stopped to a crawl on top of that is dumb

Maybe the chance isn’t as high as it seems, and the crazy spam just makes it seem like it happens more often

[wide swift]

yeah crits are not fair. electric has lower damage intentionally because it removes your items which is really powerful

[lucid sorrel]

It seems like it’s happening more frequently since she was released, but that’s likely bias because she gets a lot of hits and is common right now.

It’s possible that one of her attacks makes it happen more frequently, though.

[manic orchid]

You get Hit by her 10 times a match thats probably why

[wide swift]

yeah it's definitely just because you're getting hit way more often by her

[manic orchid]

And she is in every match

[wide swift]

I notice the crits on all levels, too. doesn't seem like higher/lower level has a higher crit chance

if there's a difference I can't tell

[lavish wigeon]

It’s tough because I don’t think I’m opposed to the concept of crits and a crit based character per se, but when it’s ON TOP of losing an item and rings it feels a bit much

Like Tikal’s flashbang isn’t that bad as it doesn’t even slow you down

[reef solar]

:)

[lavish wigeon]

Maybe if it worked on a sorta like If you get hit you build up a static charge and on the 3rd or 4th one its a crit. It can have a visual indicator, and decrease static charges over time

[wide swift]

I'd say they should just be removed until they aren't unpredictable RNG, I don't see what value they add either if only electric attacks get this feature

[manic orchid]

Crits Serve 0 purpose

[wide swift]

if crits are a thing there's no reason they should be limited to electric

but imo they just shouldn't be a thing

[manic orchid]

Except for being incredibly annoying

The rng factor on it is just frustrating

[wide swift]

just seems like something that was probably a bug originally but over time, accepted as a feature

do they devs have any reason for why it exists, or acknowledge the existence of crits?

[lavish wigeon]

So much this. As i said before I’ve been playing for years and never heard anything about it until recently. I think i probably noticed ‘why did that attack slow me down so much?’ but assumed it was a bug or a stats related thing

Nowhere anywhere in game is it mentioned or documented that crits are a thing

[wide swift]

Yeah I only learned about it from other users here in the discord

Like you were saying, I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but it does need to make more sense and be less of an RNG lottery

[lavish wigeon]

Also done with the event. Got VS to 12. Coulda probably pushed 13 but was busy one day and wasnt able to open my chests every 30m.

I hate how grindy challenger events are

[wide swift]

💪 bet you got some good rings, too

[lavish wigeon]

The worst is i havent even been using her lol

Its bad enough racing against 1-3 other VS’, but then not even being able to tell which axe is mine? Heck that

[lavish wigeon]

Such good rings lol. Damn it maybe ill keep playing to stock up more

[wide swift]

oni mephiles will be another challenger event to get rings, in about a month

even if I dislike the character I always grind the chests 😂

[lavish wigeon]

I probs wont go too hardcore on it. I usually only splurge on characters i like/want

Like i’ll unlock someone and just leave it at that

[wide swift]

Well, rings are rings. I plan to get what I can, some cool runners are coming soon

[inland orchid]

Even tho I think Surge is cool and all, the question still needs to be asked...

Why does Valhalla Surge have more telekinetic moves than Silver?
Can't Sega Hardlight give Silver some similar moves like throw cars, rocks, boxes, or even psychic knives at other players?

Also, seeing Silver run is kind of weird, he should be floating like Metal Sonic and Chaos 0, he's a flight character not a runner.

[vocal moss]

Game is cooked

[shrewd relic]

It's been cooked ever since they decided to start making up characters to put in this game even though it doesn't need them

[vocal moss]

Game isn’t fun competitively anymore it’s just straight up stressful

I thought EGS would be the last overpowered character for a while

Next character: also overpowered

Give us a break

[shrewd relic]

This game isn't even fun anymore period. It's not fun consistently losing cause of all the same stuff over and over again

[vocal moss]

Broken character gets added, Hardlight get money, they then “nerf” it and a new character gets added

In 6 months time Valhalla surge will be F tier guys

[wide swift]

idk why they do it because I like the more balanced characters but I just quit for entire months when they do this lol

[vocal moss]

I don’t even like the characters in general, I just want something new added to the game

[wide swift]

she probably dodges nerfs this time too

[vocal moss]

New content

[shrewd relic]

This game needs new stuff instead of new characters

[wide swift]

maps

I'll just stick around to see the balance notes, but if she dodges nerfs I'm out until the next balance patch

I don't care if that's after christmas, I'll skip all these new character events if that's the case lol

this is also the last character discussion thread I plan to chat in, never doing this again. waste of time lets be honest

[vocal moss]

Can’t blame you

It’s the same over and over

[wide swift]

whenever they balance they don't even use the feedback so why bother

[vocal moss]

I’m more concerned about EGS though

Like he actually needs a proper nerf

If he doesn’t get nerfed the game is actually done for

[wide swift]

he's guaranteed to at least be in the balance notes

I'm worried his nerf may not be enough, but I also worry they nerf him and not her, and then it really becomes a surge simulator lol

but, we'll see

[vocal moss]

I doubt v surge is getting nerfed

[shrewd relic]

Yes!

[shrewd relic]

That's the biggest problem

[shrewd relic]

They could remove both his mini boosts completely, replace pit stop with wind boost and he'd still be pretty good imo

[lavish wigeon]

It’s purely a financial thing. Brawl Stars has the same kinda issue. They have admitted to releasing over-tuned brawlers partly because if they aren’t interesting when they come out no one will give a heck about them and wont play they, and partly because if a brawlers is strong when it releases people are more inclined to buy them so they can use them while they’re op

[wide swift]

I get the theory and maybe that's what they do here, too. But for me it has the exact opposite effect, making me just simply quit playing for months at a time