❔┃ask-the-community

[sinful laurel]

It's an amazing skill for sure

[pastel pebble]

VR is absolutely powerful but you can definitely play and do well without it

[sinful laurel]

Boru how does a 100% mana cost judgement consecrated ground paladin regain mana without reversal?

[toxic anvil]

dmg buff?

[pastel pebble]

I am about to figure it out

[toxic anvil]

LMAOOOO

[pastel pebble]

I legit wanna try and work one out

[chilly cosmos]

any1 else experiences heavy issues with game starting up and login into your account as well?

[toxic anvil]

u can probably get away with warpath or vengance

[pastel pebble]

Warpath with Judgement?

[sinful laurel]

I'm honestly kinda curious too now

[runic sedge]

harbinger of dust node in the lower left of the tree stacks with itself and is applied by both the entry and exit void rifts if you take those nodes, so thats 60% more damage right there

[sinful laurel]

Warpath would take SO long with the amount of mana your stacking to make judgement big dmg

[toxic anvil]

ah true

[runic sedge]

though admittedly if you are using it to recover mana the cooldown is pretty long, so that's not really about damage, but you have it on your bar as a sentinel regardless

[toxic anvil]

wait MORE?

[runic sedge]

yes

[toxic anvil]

wait

[runic sedge]

VR is mandatory on every sent

[toxic anvil]

says increased?

[runic sedge]

increased taken on the enemy

its different

[toxic anvil]

oh another multiplier?

[pastel pebble]

It's not totally mandetory, it's amazing yeah but you can play without it

I won't deny it's one of Sent's best skills

[sinful laurel]

Yeah my fg doesn't run it

[runic sedge]

i mean, sure if you want to do half the damage you can play without it

[sinful laurel]

But minion build mainly 🙂

[toxic anvil]

doesnt time rifts also do MORE dmg?

the node

[pastel pebble]

No need to be dismissive, my damage is fine without it rn

[sudden trellis]

is there a shortclick to throw things on the ground other than dragging each of them?

[runic sedge]

I didn't say your damage wasn't fine without it, just that you could probably double it with VR

[toxic anvil]

wait does the "time rifts" node on reversal actually cause more dmg or inc?

[runic sedge]

yes that is also more damage

idr if its additive with the other node or not

[toxic anvil]

yeah anyone know?

it also depends on the people i hit

so good single target dmg

[pastel pebble]

I opted for Vengeance to keep my mana more steady and the DR buff instead of VR

[toxic anvil]

stacks with iteself?

[pastel pebble]

I use Anomaly for extra leech and CDR alongside its stun

[sinful laurel]

Anomaly is also another amazing skill.

It just has... everything

[toxic anvil]

wont vengance straight up not get u enough mana for 100% mana use judgement?

[toxic anvil]

oh?

[sinful laurel]

It's ok, you can't use it

[pastel pebble]

VR is better off than Vengeance to gain back all that mana from Judgement

[runic sedge]

yeah, so harbinger of dust causes them to take 30% more damage, but stacks, and you can cause 2 void rifts per volatile reversal, so thats 60%, and its possible to get the cooldown very low, so that you actually get to use it a second time and stack it to 120%

but getting the cooldown that low requires taking the node that removes the mana recovery

[toxic anvil]

right yeah, does it say it stacks btw?

just curious?

[runic sedge]

doesnt really say that anywhere that I can see but im reading off LE Tools

[toxic anvil]

ah ok

does the dot node stack too?

[runic sedge]

i dont know, im less familiar with that node

its definitely good

[toxic anvil]

goot it

[sinful laurel]

You're scaling your dot pretty differently than time rot though

I don't think they would play well together and would likely be a waste of points in VR

[runic sedge]

who said anything about time rot?

[toxic anvil]

HUH?

bruh this is for judgement aura

[pastel pebble]

The node for DOTs isn't tied to Time Rot

[sinful laurel]

Wouldn't that be the dot from void rifts? Unless I'm stupid

[toxic anvil]

yeah just take increased dmg over time

which i assume is effectively a "more" multi

[pastel pebble]

There's a node that increases DOT damage without going for Time Rot stuff

[runic sedge]

no, theres a node that causes enemies to take more damage over time after being hit by the void rift

[toxic anvil]

time rifts is da node

[pastel pebble]

Top right branch

[sinful laurel]

Oh oh I'm so sorry. The node that just increases dot damage! Sorry I thought you were trying to worry about dot damage directly from the rifts

[toxic anvil]

lmao nah

[sinful laurel]

But yes, I'm with you now. My b

[pastel pebble]

Prime cooked too hard

[toxic anvil]

loool

[sinful laurel]

You can't keep me under the broiler that long

[sudden trellis]

I killed Orobyss 2 times but I'm still at 100 corruption? What am I forgetting?

[pastel pebble]

Are you in empowered or unempowered monos?

[surreal verge]

You didn't kill the shade

Quest Echo bosses don't increase corruption

[sudden trellis]

where is it

[surreal verge]

It's a random node just like the reward nodes, keep exploring

[sudden trellis]

oh those reset ones, got it

[icy drift]

@wicked plover you can get stun avoidance on gear

Enemies always have 0

But you might not

You both use the same formula

[wicked plover]

oooohh yea, we can get stunned as well

[icy drift]

Yes

[wicked plover]

completely forgot that part, was just tunneled on mob stun

makes sense now ty

[icy drift]

Np

[pastel pebble]

The Osprix Meteors are a good example of something that can stun you hard

As they hit hard and tend to get stacked on one another

[wicked plover]

@swift star you could just hold left alt to see ranges

[swift star]

I'm tracking that, but there is a similar key to display the comparison, and a toggle to do it by default. Was hoping there might be a toggle to show the ranges by default as well

[wicked plover]

dont think there is one currently, maybe put it into the suggestions channel

[swift star]

I don't have permissions to post in that channel

nvm... that was the deprecated channel

I scrolled too far

[acoustic junco]

Is there a way to progress "The Desert Waystation" if i was originally in a duo on the quest? I Am stuck at "use the artificial waypoint" 😦 I logged off last night, changed server regions....teleported.... and its just stuck 😦

[swift star]

I try to play with the controller as much as possible, so having a wway to see that without moving to my keyboard to hit the keys would just be a good QoL thing... not strictly necessary for me to enjoy the game... in all honesty, the loot filters and 200 stash tabs alone throw this game lightyears beyond D4 😄

[wicked plover]

valid point for controller, never used one so i wouldnt know, i am sure it will be available at some point

[wicked plover]

maybe try going back to your original server region

[acoustic junco]

i have done that 😄 lol i have checked online and lots of people have issues with this quest...some people are max and still stuck at the same point 🙂 so i have just carried on with the next quest 🙂

[wicked plover]

is it a side quest?

you get more quests for skillpoints and idle slots than necessary so you are not missing out on skipping that

[acoustic junco]

no its a story quest....

[icy drift]

Can you show me where you are and where it wants you to be?

[acoustic junco]

sure let me grab some screens 🙂 one moment

[icy drift]

There's a ladder a lot of people don't see on this quest

[wicked plover]

"so I got stuck here too for a minute…turns out that slight misty blue swirly stuff right at the left edge of your screenshot (scaffold and ladder structure) is supposed to indicate a zone door (which doesn’t show up on the minimap) just mash your face up against it and you should enter the next area."

from forums

[icy drift]

Yeah that's the ladder I'm talking about

[wicked plover]

guess thats what cyborh is referring to

[icy drift]

But it's not always the case

[acoustic junco]

I have used that ladder 😛

[icy drift]

Yeah

[acoustic junco]

i will show you one moment

[icy drift]

Sometimes coop breaks it too

[acoustic junco]

or i wont as it just crashed xD

[wicked plover]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/alrics-revenge-bugged/59284/8

also 2 possible solutions mentioned here at the bottom, guess worth a try

[icy drift]

I think the best fix ave found was having someone teleport you where that artificial waypoint would've brought you to and then you can continue as usual

But yeah try to relog and maybe verify integrity of game files

Since having someone tp you is a pain

[acoustic junco]

Here is me - at the waystation

here is me - post using the waypoint xD

my quest is stuck 😄

[icy drift]

Just keep going

Ignore the quest

[acoustic junco]

okay 🙂

[icy drift]

Once you reach the next npc it should update

Usually does anyway

Try to get to the next town basically

[acoustic junco]

yeah i have got a bit way through journey to the necropolis now and its still not changed 😄 some people in game said they are max and theirs is still bugged 😄

[icy drift]

Yeah they're working on fixing it, this quest seems to have been bugged for a while lol

Especially recently though

I've never had issues with it but a lot of people have been reporting it and needing help

[acoustic junco]

my friend did it outside of a group...but we bot bugged in a group on these ones 😄

[icy drift]

Yeah sometimes the game doesn't know what to do when you're in a party it seems lul

Gl!

[acoustic junco]

thank you 🙂

[toxic anvil]

Will consecrating aura see the buffs granted by sigils before it consumes them?

[sinful laurel]

Active sigils have active buffs. So if those buffs are active when the aura is created, then yes

[toxic anvil]

I mean the aura consumes them so does it consume before or after the snapshot?

[sinful laurel]

If the aura itself consumes them then they are active when the aura is created right?

[toxic anvil]

I assume so? Wasn’t sure how the internal calc was done

Could just as easily be costs first

[sinful laurel]

I don't imagine that sigils are consumed, and then there is a delay, and then consecrated is created, that isn't how anything else in the game works. But I guess it's possible?

[toxic anvil]

Yeah true

Even with no delay and a single difference in order of computation that could easily affect it

Also, if a skill gets added fire dmg in its own tree and converts base dmg to void, it won’t have all void dmg correct?

[runic sedge]

correct, all base and adaptive damage will be void, but the added fire will remain fire

though you should check the exact wording of the conversion because there are some oddball ones out there

[sinful laurel]

If there is flat damage in a skill tree that has a specific damage type listed, it generally won't convert yeah

[toxic anvil]

Coool

[wicked plover]

sooo jelkhors blast knife changes a bow skill to a melee skill, which is tied to the marksman mastery, which is mostly bow dmg
am i getting that right
just thinking about trying that out, but it sounds incredibly ineffective

[surreal verge]

It's surprisingly effective damage wise

Yes

[buoyant sinew]

there's just enough in marksman that works with melee

also the blast knife itself gives a boatload of damage so that helps

if that build has an issue it's playstyle not damage

[wicked plover]

i guess its balanced that way then
just felt weird going through the skill tree and " skip this, this doesnt work, nah that wont work either"

[surreal verge]

No it does have an issue

Being in melee with crap defenses

(Casue MM doesn't have much defenses)

[wicked plover]

you can still pick glancing blow in bladedancer

so isnt it the same as any other rogue build then

[sinful laurel]

On my jelkhors build I take about 24 points in the MM tree lol

And that's only for concentration

[wicked plover]

thats what i figured as well ^^ but guess there is enough other stuff to go for

[sinful laurel]

The rest is split evenly between rogue and BD

[wicked plover]

well thanks for the input, i'll just try it out

[sinful laurel]

It's a fun build with a butt load of damage, but generally will struggle with survive

[swift star]

if an item says "+11 Bow Fire Damage" does that mean it adds that element to the bow and will always do bow damage + fire damage?

and does fire damage always have a chance to ignite, or are they 100% separate?

[surreal verge]

Seperate

A cold skill can ignite if you get generic ignite chance

A fire skill can't ignite if you have 0% ignite chance

[swift star]

If I have a quiver that says +5 bow lightning damage, does the bow already have to do lightning damage to benefit? Or does that make my bow now do lightning damage in adition to what it already did?

[surreal verge]

Flat increases always apply

[sinful laurel]

Don't think of the bow doing the damage, think of the skill doing the damage with the bow

So your skill will do whatever damage it does plus another 5 lightning damage

If that skill has the bow tag

[swift star]

thanks

and thanks for the other info 😄

[toxic anvil]

Ailment chance for all skills is default 0 right?

[surreal verge]

Yes

There's a few exceptions I think but they're written

[toxic anvil]

cool

[surreal verge]

Eg:fireball writes that it has 25% ignite chance by default

[toxic anvil]

and throwing skills generally dont have attack tags right?

oh wait melee tags

[sinful laurel]

Throwing skills have the throwing tag

[faint cape]

And throwing is an attack, yes

[toxic anvil]

ah the pain in the ass tag 🤣

[sinful laurel]

There are throwing, melee, bow attacks. And spells

[sudden trellis]

does this patch mean they fixed the one shot zombie nuke lich build?

[faint cape]

No

They've said that will be fixed with 1.0

[patent dock]

dumb question but what are you supposed to do with experimental items? just craft on them and call it good? can you upgrade them in other ways?

[misty helm]

experimental affixes can be sealed a lot easier with the rune (of research)? otherwise just treat them as a non-upgradable affix

seald affixes are basically a 5th bonus affix that can't be added to legendary potential uniques. so you can use it to get a junk stat out of the way of adding the affix you really want, or to make a much stronger item with and additional affix

otherwise experimental items are treated exactly like magic/rare/exalted, even if they dont look like exalted, they can still be used in the temporal sanctum with legendary potential uniques

I'm trying to do some armor shred calculations. Do we have a sense of what armor values enemies have? I cant find even ballpark figures anywhere.

[toxic anvil]

i think 0?

[surreal verge]

0 by default

[misty helm]

aight

what would change that?

other than player armor shred and such

[wicked plover]

resistence shred goes into negative

[misty helm]

aight, so for dmg calc I can assume 0 res and armor for all enemies? what do 'resistant to [element]' monsters have?

[toxic anvil]

usually yeah

[surreal verge]

Monolith modifiers

[misty helm]

ty

and the player armor calculation has area level as part of the formula. just remove those co-efficients for enemies? or does zone apply to them?

I guess that would make shred less effective if zone applied

[toxic anvil]

area level has level of enemies effectively in it

[misty helm]

as area level goes up, armor gets worse

there is no monster level in formula

[toxic anvil]

cause mobs have mitigation

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/mobdr

[misty helm]

ah, this might be what I am missing, lemme look

[toxic anvil]

yeah just flat mit

against all dmg types

[misty helm]

ah

so in the armor calc for them, I still keep the area level in?

[toxic anvil]

sorry?

[misty helm]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/armour

[toxic anvil]

yeah cause that would handle mitigation

[misty helm]

I think we might be having a potato potato moment here. will circle back in a bit if the numbers look wrong

[sinful laurel]

What's the question? About armor shred?

[toxic anvil]

hahhah

yeah the tunklab page

for armor

[sinful laurel]

Well that's not the armor shred page though, there is one. And anything over about 100 shred stacks is not worth it

[toxic anvil]

monsters have a DR and that is factored into the armor equation as area level right?

[sinful laurel]

Dr is not armor

[toxic anvil]

yeah i know

im asking for the amor effectiveness page

[sinful laurel]

Well it kinda doesn't matter as 99% of enemies have no armor

[toxic anvil]

i mean why does the armor equation have area level in it?

[misty helm]

I found what I needed on the armor part of tunklab, ty both

[sinful laurel]

Just because of this "The same amount of armour provides less mitigation at higher level"

So you need more and more to keep up

Pretty normal

[toxic anvil]

sooo that has nothing to do with monster DR?

does it just magically scale up with area level

[sinful laurel]

Well not magically. According to the armor formula lol

[toxic anvil]

oh okay

gooot it

why TF did I confuse armor with enemy penetration 🤣

never mind i is a dumbass

sry DR with pen

[sinful laurel]

Well enemies can shred your armor too, but yeah that isn't penetration

[toxic anvil]

yeah got it

OOPSIE

[misty helm]

po-tate-o, po-tat-o

[toxic anvil]

so yes suik u factor it in 🤣

Is lowering enemy resists same as penetration of that dmg type?

[sinful laurel]

Technically different effects but with the same outcome generally. The outcome being a more modifier on damage of that type

[undone otter]

lowering can go negative

I dont think penetration can

[toxic anvil]

Wait pen can right?

I swear we can lol

[undone otter]

I could have it backwards

[sinful laurel]

Pen doesn't technically modify resists directly afaik

[undone otter]

ya I dont think Pen can

[sinful laurel]

That's why I said different effects with the same overall outcome

[toxic anvil]

Waaait what

[undone otter]

shred can go negative though

which gives you extra

[toxic anvil]

Yeah

And pen can’t?

Most monsters don’t have resists tho

[undone otter]

I dont believe so - but my knowledge is hazy

[toxic anvil]

So why lmao

[sinful laurel]

Well pen technically is just making the enemy take more damage against that element

[undone otter]

most monsters have 0

so going negative gives your more dmg

bosses do have +res though IIRC

[sinful laurel]

Yes. Which is also why pen AND res shred work well together

[undone otter]

if a monster has 0 resist, pen does nothing IIRC

[toxic anvil]

Damn fr?

[undone otter]

nah I think im wrong

[toxic anvil]

🤣

[undone otter]

I wasnt sure

[sinful laurel]

no thats wrong

[undone otter]

(1 - min(Resistance - Resistance shred, 75) + Resistance Penetration) * Damage Taken

there ya go

thats the formula

sorry for the confusion

[toxic anvil]

Ahh

[balmy current]

Nope

[misty helm]

so for monsters you can just ignore the min part if they all have 0

which makes pen and shred just additive

well, they are even with the wonky formula

[balmy current]

Yes, though some mobs have resists & they can get resists from mono modifiers.

shred & pen are always additive with each other.

[toxic anvil]

Okay figured it was additive

[misty helm]

but shred can be useless if you cant get them below 75% is all

[sinful laurel]

and iirc things like marked for death are a direct modifier on the "Resistance" term

[misty helm]

what kinnd of resist ranges do monsters get when resistant or modified?

[toxic anvil]

Should say on monos right?

[balmy current]

Don't think it does

[misty helm]

sure, but when a monster says resistant to necro is what I mean

[sinful laurel]

yeah idk if we know numbers on that

[misty helm]

what is that value. because if its above or below 75 could be important

[sinful laurel]

ask mike 🙂 or wait for muffin to confirm

[balmy current]

The innate resist isn't that high I think & the resists from monos depends on the corruption

[misty helm]

well, pen is always better than shred. but we dont know how often shred is diminished

and marked for death can just be treated as shred?

[sinful laurel]

no, like i said i think marked for death is a direct minus

but thats from memory

[misty helm]

right, but then you minus shred right after. 😉

both are before the check for max/75

[sinful laurel]

yeah true i guess. not sure

[toxic anvil]

Monsters can’t have above 75 res then?

[balmy current]

Correct (I think)

[misty helm]

if that formula is to be trusted. and we trust its source

😉

[sinful laurel]

muffin is the top muffin

or the muffin top

take your pick

[balmy current]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[sinful laurel]

so yeah capped at 75

but i imagien that is rare

[balmy current]

depends on the corruption

[sterile widget]

Either way, it's muffin to worry about

[misty helm]

i'm still muddling through these pages making sure I understand the math before I go asking too many questions on them

[swift star]

do the mobs scale to your level in the zones?

[sterile widget]

Nope! They scale to the area level

(And they get some health scaling in multiplayer)

[misty helm]

I imagine all resist mod + a base resistance type will get past 75

[swift star]

thanks

[sinful laurel]

yeah thats true, on like a solar guard or something

that has inherent

[balmy current]

Or 2 resist mods.

[misty helm]

exaclty

[sinful laurel]

yeah also true, i didnt realize the numbers scaled that high. I havent played in a bit

[misty helm]

what about enemy crit avoidance and guaranteed crit abilities?

[sinful laurel]

god what a shitty echo mod just for 30% rarity

[misty helm]

guaranteed crit trumps it yes? but 100% crit chance is affected

[sinful laurel]

are there skills that guarantee crit?

if you are talking like shadow daggers

they can still be avoided with those mods

[misty helm]

necro has a minion crit one in one of the shades

[balmy current]

Nope, crit avoidance is applied after "guaranteed" crit (that just adds 100% flat crit chance to the ability)

[misty helm]

haha, dont even have the game open to check

aight, I like that interaction better

[sinful laurel]

yeah i didnt think that was guaranteed either. that is just 100% chance to crit

[misty helm]

but its a bit... deceiving if you dont know to look under the hood

[sinful laurel]

it is

[misty helm]

maybe I am misremembering the text though

[sinful laurel]

until you are an SD build and you stack two of those mods lol

you learn real quick

[balmy current]

Which is effectively guaranteed

[misty helm]

I dont see anywhere that talks about glancing blows

[balmy current]

in-game game guide?

[misty helm]

nvm, overlooked it

can you be crit and glanced?

[balmy current]

yes, I think

don't remember anything saying they're related

[misty helm]

yeah, checked a few spots and dont see reason that you cant have both

not that you want to let them have a crit chance

[sinful laurel]

ideally

if you're at 98% reduced dmg i think you can afford to get crit

[misty helm]

haha

fo sure

[sinful laurel]

unless you're at like 20k corr i guess

but at that point you are getting one tapped by everything anyways

[misty helm]

crits are just double dmg baseline, anything other than mono mods gonna affect that?

[balmy current]

No

[sinful laurel]

monsters dont get crit multi, at least not yet

[balmy current]

Might be a unique that increases crit damage you take?

[sinful laurel]

oh there is

one

no wait im dumb

[balmy current]

Might be a mono modifier?

[sinful laurel]

increased chances of being crit

not of the damage

[balmy current]

ok

[misty helm]

I actually didnt find a mono mod for it

which makes sense because you can gear for crit reduction

[sinful laurel]

i dont think there is anything that increases monster crit multi

[swift star]

are dungeons soloable, or are they meant to be group content?

[misty helm]

100 crit avoid and 100 crit reduc are same results then?

[misty helm]

solo for sure

[balmy current]

Kinda

[sinful laurel]

at 100% they are effectively the same

but below 100% they behave differently

[misty helm]

everything is solo or multi as you prefer, not really unapproachable from either

[balmy current]

100% crit reduction & you'll still take a crit for any other effects that care about you taking a crit

[misty helm]

hrmm, I guess I havent seen any of those yet, but good distinction

thats vauge

[sinful laurel]

sure is

[misty helm]

this tunklab is all the toys I was looking for, ty

ive seen links to their ehp before, but didnt think to remove the /ehp and see all the other tools

[sinful laurel]

There is a lot yeah. Tunk is a gigachad

[wicked plover]

if i convert swipe to lightning damage, it says "gets lightning tag", that still wouldnt scale with attuenemnt until it specifically says so, eventhough its ele dmg right

[misty helm]

stat scaling is normally visible while holding ALT on the ability tooltip. should say something like 4% additional dmg

idk about that class and spell specifically though

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ability/Swipe

sounds like still scales with str? again, idk

[wicked plover]

just checked ingame, it infact also adds the atunement tag

i thought it was just lightning tag because that was specifically mentioned in the description

[swift star]

where do dungeon keys come from? and does everyone in the party need one, or just one player?

was going to try Lightless Arbor, but apparently not

[near path]

They drop from mobs / chests / objective rewards / bosses

Fairly common actually

[swift star]

is it more of an end game thing, even though the dungeon says lvl 22?

I haven't seen a key yet

[near path]

I don't recall exactly when they start dropping, but it's closer to the later half of the campaign iirc

In monos they're reasonably common

[misty helm]

they dont stop dropping

[swift star]

thanks

lol

[near path]

I can't wait for the day we can stack them

So they stop eating a tab for no reason

[sterile widget]

I hope they never stack and they introduce more dungeons so that we have tabs and tabs of keys to play with.

Then, I want to throw them at my enemies for big damage

[near path]

What if that's what Warlock is

The war on locks

With... keys

This pun might get me timed out if Kain sees it

[swift star]

so I just got "Barrage" for my "Detonating Arrow" ability, and it says the explosion will be in a cone be hind the target. I am seeing the cone in the front of the target when I use it, like the guy is running bodily at me, I shoot him, and the cone extends out toward me, not in the direction I am aiming, or out of the target's back. Am I misunderstanding what Barrage is meant to do, or is this a bug?

[candid elm]

Pretty sure it's a bug that hasn't been fixed yet. From the 0.9.2j patch notes, "Other fixes we're working on" section:

Detonating Arrow Cone is exploding in the wrong direction
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/beta-0-9-2j-patch-notes/61301

[amber coral]

The summon ballista node "perfect aim" that makes your "critical strike chance and multiplier" also apply to the ballista, does it mean the various %increased crit chance stats you have (like the Marksman "Assassin's quiver node") or the bow +% base crit chance? Or it takes your crit chance from the character sheet in consideration?

[swift star]

is it visual only, or is the damage going in the wwrong direction too?

[candid elm]

I'm not sure, it doesn't specify. I'd guess both visual and damage.

[swift star]

interesting, thanks for the info, gonna have to bookmark that stuff

[swift star]

so, sans-quiver... my puncture says 461 DPS. I have a quiver with an implicit 29% increased bow damage, and an affix for 12% increased bow damage. That looks like +41% bow damage. 461*1.41=650. But equipping the quiver only puts DPS up to 524. What am I doing wrong?

[buoyant sinew]

those increased damage stats are not just additive with each other, they're additive with all the increased damage stats everywhere else

other items, passives, the attribute scaling on the skill...

so you can't accurately calculate the effect that quiver would have on your dps unless you know the values of all of those

[swift star]

ah, so just multiplying by 1.41 was making that new bonus multiplicative with the rest, instead of applying it additively like it should be'

[buoyant sinew]

right

[swift star]

how close do party members have to be in the same zone to share xp gains for kills?

[faint cape]

About 1.5 - 2 screens max

And just to be clear, the xp isn't technically shared, you just each get the full xp

[toxic anvil]

daamn really? thats nice

[swift star]

does main hand vs off hand equip matter?

[misty helm]

I could get it 2 higher if someone can tell me a way to make the have the DoT tag

[faint cape]

No, but offhand does have restrictions on what you can equip there

[faint cape]

The death knight hungering souls cast node deals spell DOT. I don't think it gives it the tag, though.

[misty helm]

yeah, I went to go check that, but it doesnt matter because it then loses fire and frost

apogee double dipping is sexy

[faint cape]

Yeah, just be aware that if you have it specced as cold + necrotic, it'll unspec 3 of the 6 points every time you change zones.

[misty helm]

yeah, that was mentioned when first discussing apogee, but it never happened to me

I think that only happens if it tries to put in the frost too late or something

[sterile widget]

Lady. Please teach me how to run 30000 corruption.

[misty helm]

like how when you equip and unequip an item its always the same skill that you have to put the point back iunto

[faint cape]

It's possible they may have fixed it since

[misty helm]

until you do a full respec and then its somewhere else

[sterile widget]

<@&1082357055484071997> ^^

[misty helm]

I imagine it could still be a problem, just havent run into it yet. when I do I will try to reproduce it accurately

[faint cape]

If it does still do it, the good thing is that you never change zones when running monos, so it's not a huge issue then

[misty helm]

or maybe it included this node, I remember us discussing that you could work around this

I jump to/from the training dummy a lot, thats a zone change ya?

[faint cape]

Yeah it is

[misty helm]

are mono bosses in a diff zone than the islands? I seem to recall reading about a loading error that only happens if your first monolith after load-in is a boss

or maybe its the same zone but has the loading dependancies

either way, I will keep an eye out for it happening. thats like when you go back to your loot filter and realize you have excluded the item you have been farming for

and are like, how long has THAT been a problem

[faint cape]

Nah, it's all together, even moving between different timelines doesn't cause a zone change

[misty helm]

deathknights do give it the dot tag

but alas conflicts with the frost one

[faint cape]

Yeah lol, that's how I noticed it had been happening to me. I was like, where did these 3 points come from?

[faint cape]

Oh, very interesting

That might make it like the only other DOT tagged minion in game lol

[misty helm]

yeah, silly zombie ring

hrmm, maybe I was mistaken, cant get it to work in the calculator again. nixx that idea for now

yeah, I mathed wrong with apogee and fire minon amulet. no dice on dot minon. wtb removing the wild goose chase from this ring and it just saying +1 zombie. 😛

[faint cape]

I think eventually pyre golem should get the DOT tag. Quite a few primalist minions deal spell DOT as well, but I suspect they don't get the tag either.

Storm totem probably does get the tag, at least

[finite plume]

How much life does a big Boi boss have at end game? Just looking for a value so I can calculate things like stun and freeze chances

[swift star]

got an item, Andinai's Poignard... the item color isn't shown in the Rarity list of the Game Guide, and it won't let me gift it to a friend that was with me when it dropped. I don't see anything on the item card indicating it is account bound in any way. What does it all mean?

its like half-way between yellow wand white in color... a light yellow if you will

[faint cape]

It varies from boss to boss. You can ballpark it like 500k - 2M. Technically, health can scale infinitely in monos/arena, but I ignore that lol.

[surreal verge]

Does it have a yellow affix?

If it does:It’s a personal item.

(It should also have 0 FP)

[faint cape]

Yeah, it's a personal item. Kinda like a unique-lite item, fairly new and only comes from that specific chest once per character.

[swift star]

gotcha, thanks

can I give them to another character on my accouint, or are they personal to the toon itself

[finite plume]

Oh super helpful, thanks!

[faint cape]

They can be stashed and shared like a normal item

[drowsy hornet]

best place to farm exalted relics? temporal sanctum?

[desert tree]

Temporal Sanctum on a relic day

[odd perch]

Hey! Just wondering if they fixed the loading/transition times yet?

[sterile widget]

They are as they were

[misty helm]

if its boss loading screens there is a way around it by loading a normal mono first. I had the loading bug a lot a couple weeks ago, but not recently, so maybe?

[spice juniper]

Is it just me or is there like no visible indication or feedback that your health is low? most of the time i just suddenly drop dead without any pre-screen-indication

[surreal verge]

That might be a "you got one shot" moment

[spice juniper]

Hm, i had it quite a few times now, and its not always one shot, some times my health was very low but didnt see any clear indication it was.. maybe its just me

[unreal hinge]

The strangest thing is that you can regain health while dead. Sometimes I am so confused because my health is full and I cant move and then I see the 'you died' screen

[spice juniper]

i just had it again and now my health went down not in one shot but gradually

[odd perch]

I meant transition time between areas in general. It takes roughly 10-15 seconds to get to the loading screen. This was introduced with the "new" patch in September, I believe? The one with the new rune thing for the game. 😄 I was told it's a known issue, and will be fixed

[polar holly]

so aura of decay has INT scaling, does that mean INT will also scale the poison damage applied by this skill?

[desert tree]

Ailment inflicted by a skill inherit attribute scaling and generic More Dmg from the skill tree

[native sail]

Remember when int gave it pen too?

Poor AOD got nerfed in like 3 ways at once

[desert tree]

Int used to give AOD Poisons extra penetration?

[steel merlin]

It does right now

[cinder sonnet]

when is 1.0

[steel merlin]

Somewhere between February 20th and February 22th

[toxic anvil]

wut?

[steel merlin]

wut?

[toxic anvil]

haha

it has pen rn from int?

[steel merlin]

Well, -enemy poison res per int

[toxic anvil]

wait it says that?

[surreal verge]

As a node.

Also old AoD before 0.9 had this

[balmy current]

Yeah, but poison never needed penetration.

And I'm more disappointed that Wandering Spirits lost the minion tag.

[surreal verge]

It had a minion tag?

Letools says it never did.

Or I guess it was already removed before letools was made

[toxic anvil]

Ah ok

[balmy current]

Yeah, it did early on. You could have it on autocast to get the attack/cast speed buff from Dark Rituals permanently since it also had a <10s cooldown.

[hazy stratus]

Are there any known issues around getting stuck loading echoes? Tried to load 2 last night, both times I was stuck on an infinite "Connecting" screen.

[sinful laurel]

Yeah. Couple people have since hotfix. Verify integrity of steam files seems to have fixed it for them

[hazy stratus]

Thanks. It's been happening longer than the most recent hotfix for me. I'll give that a shot and see if it helps.

[sinful laurel]

To be clear, long loading times are still very much an issue. But the game hanging indefinitely is a new one. One question, are you loading directly into a quest echo right off the bat?

[hazy stratus]

Yep, first thing I do when boot up the game. Had to Alt-F4 out of it last night.

[sinful laurel]

That's an issue as well. Don't do a quest echo first

But verify integrity too. Doesn't hurt

[hazy stratus]

Did that, and echo loaded immediately. Thanks!

[cedar locust]

I'm petitioning Kain to add 'GO BACK AND VERIFY YOUR STEAM FILES' to the Log-in page on Patch days 😅

[lunar holly]

why is that an issue all the time, we even have a sticker for it ? is LE constantly corrupting its files ?

[pastel pebble]

It's a good catch all for problems

[cedar locust]

The smallest hiccup on Steam or with your internet connection can cause a game breaking bug when you're downloading a patch - this is why it's good practice to verify after every update on all games not just ours!

Now, consider how many players only come to the Discord when they have an issue and that we have to ask to do this before we continue to triage and yeah - we made a sticker 😅

[delicate dust]

We've investigated this before - I can't speak too much to it as it's waaay beyond my knowledge, but it has to do with how Steam patches very large files, and sometimes it doesn't quite get it right on those really big files. IIRC there wasn't much we could do about it at the time though it's something we might try to poke again in the future as it's most certainly not the best UEX.

[faint cape]

Yeah, this issue is a thing for all software. The problem lies in the installing thingy (Steam here) not properly validating successfulness.

Technical term, clearly

[soft merlin]

are there sites/groups/discussion with lore from the game (about etera, the void ...)?

[toxic anvil]

holy trail gets +spell dmg bonuses right?

[sinful laurel]

you know this zack

look at the skill tooltip

and the tags

[sinful laurel]

there is actually a youtuber that has/is doing a full lore series on LE iirc

i dont remember the name

[toxic anvil]

hey I assume yes with like 99% certainty, just wanted to make sure 🤣

but thank you for keeping me honest

[sinful laurel]

if it has the spell tag then it gets spell damage 🙂

[soft merlin]

i would love to see that video(s). Action RPG?

[sinful laurel]

at 250% effectiveness too

@cedar locust sorry for the ping, but do you remember the name of the youtuber that is doing the lore series on LE?

[toxic anvil]

right ye

[sinful laurel]

shit its after 1830 GMT

[balmy current]

But about an hour & a half, yes.

[sinful laurel]

oops

im in trouble

[balmy current]

You are, you should probably reformat your C: drive just in case.

[swift star]

what is LP?

[icy drift]

Legendary potential, unique items can drop with it and it lets you make them into legendary items, read the game guide entry for more info ^^

[cedar locust]

(Not here) TonyBingGaming - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPNTA3C3s68

[surreal verge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/legendary_items

[swift star]

Awesome, thanks... don't think i'm quite far enough to worry about that yet, saw it in a suggestion post. Will deff. look at it next time I boot up the game though.

[icy drift]

Np

[sinful laurel]

@soft merlin #❔┃ask-the-community message

[sudden trellis]

when upgrading an item, is it random that which bonuses transfer?

[surreal verge]

upgrade?

[sudden trellis]

to legendary

[surreal verge]

Oh.
Yes it's random, and you MUSt give it an exalted with 4 affixes.

[sudden trellis]

thanks

[balmy current]

And sealed affixes don't count

[covert ore]

This is possibly a stupid question... but what base item goes with Prism Wraps when creating a legendary?

Prism Wraps says "Unique Leather Coat"

But I've never seen any kind of leather coat drop

[sinful laurel]

Any body armor

Doesn't matter type

Only base item

[covert ore]

oh that's good to know -- I thought the items had to be an exact type match

crystal sword with crystal sword, etc.

[sinful laurel]

Nope

[tardy breach]

Anyone tried using ps5 dualsense on LE ? how did it go

[candid elm]

I tried it with an Xbox controller. If your controller works with Steam, you should be ok. You can use the Steam overlay controller settings to make additional changes if the in game controller settings aren't working.

[toxic anvil]

Wait you have to have an exalted with 4 affixes to move one to a unique?

[sinful laurel]

not all affixes have to be exalted but you have to have all four

[toxic anvil]

Oh so I can’t just start removaling stuff?

[sinful laurel]

i mean you can

but if you cant get affixes back to 4 it cant be smashed

[toxic anvil]

Ah damn

So if I also accidentally remove the exalted affix I can’t either right?

[sinful laurel]

correct

[toxic anvil]

what exactly does base attack rate on a weapon affect?

[sinful laurel]

The speed of skills that scale off attack speed

Think of that as your flat attack speed and all the % attack speed mods as more attack speed multipliers

[toxic anvil]

got it, and spell cast speed?

also what about a skill like warpath, does it spin faster?

[sinful laurel]

Spell cast speed works the same way

And yes warpath will attack faster, which by its nature means you spin faster

[toxic anvil]

what do u mean?

spell cast speed's base is base attack rate too?

[sinful laurel]

Look at any spell https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/frost_claw

[toxic anvil]

oh it just has a base speed lol

[faint cape]

There's no weapons with "base casting rate" is the only difference

[toxic anvil]

wait why do the attack skills have it too

i confused

[faint cape]

All skills have a base use time, it gets multiplied by your cast/attack speed

Attacks also get multiplied by the weapon speed

[toxic anvil]

so how does weapon speed interact with attack speed?

[faint cape]

It's a direct multiplier

[toxic anvil]

like base use time, attack speed, and weapon speed

[sinful laurel]

The second two are multipliers on the first

[faint cape]

Do note that there are a few skills that don't scale with speed at all

[toxic anvil]

do attack speed and weapon speed get added together?

oh wait

[faint cape]

So like if your weapon has a base attack rate of 0.9, you can think of it like 10% less attack speed multi

[toxic anvil]

right

and attck speed is multiplied by that too?

so base speed * weapon speed (for attacks) * attack speed?

[faint cape]

Correct

[toxic anvil]

ah and for spells its just base speed * cast speed?

[faint cape]

Right

[toxic anvil]

goot it

what about throwing and bow attacks?

[sinful laurel]

Same

They are still attacks

So scale with attack speed

[toxic anvil]

got it

thx 🙂

[faint cape]

Throwing won't scale with weapon speed is the only caveat there

[sinful laurel]

Oh right, sorry. Forgot about that one little kink

[modest scroll]

hello, I'm trying to jump back in to LE again after a while, and I don't remember all that much about my goals for the build I had at the time. would anybody be willing to take a look at my LE Tools and make suggestions as I get into the swing of things?

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ZA8qqWkQ

[neon compass]

Void Knight, Level 86 (Beta 0.9.2f)

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (62) / Paladin (16)

General:

▸ Health: 1,895, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 111, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 9 Att / 21 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 73% / 89% / 71% / 82% / 99% / 21%
▸ EHP: 3,364 / 3,413 / 3,498 / 3,722 / 3,543 / 3,543 / 2,272

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 457
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (78)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 26% (1,014)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 53%

Damage Types:

▸ Void / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Warpath (21)
• Lunge (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Anomaly (21)
• Sigils Of Hope (21)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Titan Heart
• Shadow Beacon
• Atrophy
• Darkstride
• Siphon of Anguish
• Liath's Signet

[toxic anvil]

But bow does?

[sinful laurel]

Yes bow does

[modest scroll]

never mind lool, turns out I was following a build guide: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide

[candid elm]

Looks like that has been updated last month. Depending on how long ago you were playing last, you may want to look through your skills and passives, see if anything changed.

[acoustic thicket]

What is this good on? Dropped on a lvl 19 rune master

[sinful laurel]

It's good on really anything that uses a shield

[modest scroll]

good call, will do!

[sinful laurel]

Very strong item

[acoustic thicket]

What is (5) weaver's will?

[sinful laurel]

5 WW is very low though

[acoustic thicket]

What does it mean/do?

[sinful laurel]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/resources/weavers-will-uniques

[hybrid rampart]

in general, when should I start worrying about saving gear to salvage later on? im just level 25 rn and started to wonder about that, cause Im still not so sure about what are good affixes and such to hold

[candid elm]

Early it's hard because you don't have much. But if you play for awhile, you'll have hundreds of all of the common affixes. I just do the class specific ones I'm interested in and the less common ones that I want to use like say Hybrid Health.

[hybrid rampart]

I see, thank you

[lofty mirage]

Hi, played the game around 2 years ago and picking it back up now to see the changes and improvements. Kinda forgot how lot of things work so im sortof starting from scratch. Is it recommended to use "levelling builds" until a point I reach the endgame where I can farm some build-defining uniques? I plan on following a build guide anyway like the last time i played.

[safe harness]

You don’t have to. The only thing to keep in mind when starting fresh is how hard is it to gear the character. For example the squirrel build requires a rare unique helmet

[lofty mirage]

I'm guessing the levelling builds on maxroll or the SFF builds on last epoch tools would have characters that require little to no uniques?

[desert pebble]

Hey all, so basically I have tons of hours in poe 1000+, and this game popped up on my steam discovery

Probably everyone here loves the game so can someone briefly explain to me what game has to offer? looked a gameplay video and graphics looks cool

while a review i have read was talking about Killing/hitting feeling is a bit weak

[safe harness]

Last Epochs strong points are ease of access to creating your own build while maintaining complexity and the crafting system

[desert pebble]

What about endgame? as its early access game i think endgame would be weak as its not focus to develop i guess?

[snow mantle]

Do you guys think a bow build with as little attack speed as possible would work?

Trying to find a way to optimize dark arrow without relying on hail of arrows

[surreal verge]

Clear where?

[safe harness]

The endgame is farming dungeons (currently there are 3) and doing the monolith of fate. I’d say the endgame could be better. That said, you can easily sink hundreds of hours into it

[desert pebble]

so not a lot of options i think? do you think its repetitivce

[safe harness]

It’s sorta like poe before shaper, except with more than 0 bosses

[desert pebble]

do youı having fun clearing dungeons or like mobs

im not much of a bosser, so clearing tons of mobs is like prio for me

[lofty mirage]

i just returned to the game as well, but i think theres actually an endgame mode that is just literally just stronger and stonger waves of mobs and theres a leaderboard for it

[desert pebble]

damn nice

Is melee builds good or projectiles are king like in poe or smt

[lofty mirage]

yeah there are several melee builds if my research is accurate. its not like poe right now where boneshatter is the only friendly leaguestarter without investment lol

when i played like 2 years ago i actually played 3 melee builds

[desert pebble]

I tried so hard to make cyclone good man, even with bl i end up dying in maps

even with mb*

[lofty mirage]

i think the sentinel class has the cyclone equivalent in this game, recommend you to just google it

[desert pebble]

is sentinels force of something similar to your typical warrior in rpgs? couldnt find a pure warrior in classes

[lofty mirage]

its warpath if i remember correctly

[desert pebble]

okay ill check it out

[lofty mirage]

if you've used maxroll in poe they have builds for this game too

im currently using one right now

the quality is pretty much close to the poe guides if not same

[desert pebble]

okay mate thanks a lot

do you think killing things is fun?

like some builds in poe, like EA ballista in poe you cant feel you killing things

I like close and personal slashy slash builds

in arpgs

[lofty mirage]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide

this is the one that might interest you

[lofty mirage]

bro dont use EA, thats like the worst example lmao

thats a double delay skill haha

[desert pebble]

[lofty mirage]

but yeah the feedback is as satifying as poe for me

but be warned that its not as zoomy in its current state

just in case youre used to farming with a MB

[desert pebble]

Lmao

[desert pebble]

that feeling is long goner cause of new year events

im more used to move %0 movement speed

rn

[lofty mirage]

but yeah for me the skills are more visually satisfying in LE, but maybe thats because poe is old

[desert pebble]

Is this game

respec friendly?

[lofty mirage]

yeah very, its the reason why people will tell you that you can just play without a guide

[desert pebble]

more visually satisfying in LE, but maybe thats because poe is old
thats the why im looking for some new arpgs

[lofty mirage]

the only reason im playing with a guide is cos i just want to speed things up and i already played this years ago

[desert pebble]

wanted to try out d4, while they say its shitty end game graphics looks very good

but its astronomically expensive for my budget

[lofty mirage]

ngl this game in beta seems to have more endgame than d4 anyway

[desert pebble]

Ill just go for sentinel and check everything, maybe ill see a fun melee skill

etc

thanks for the info and tips guys @lofty mirage @safe harness

[lofty mirage]

yup have fun, void knight sent was also the first character i made here years ago

it was pretty fun

[desert pebble]

thankss

[wicked plover]

does wielding a shield without weapon count as unarmed

[surreal verge]

Yes.

[wicked plover]

pog ty

[cursive rose]

Graphics in d4 are actually quite nice. Game play is fun in season two. Season one felt like we all paid to be a massive beta test for them tho 😂. But end game gets boring fast once you reach 100, beat all the pinnacle monsters for the ancestral unique gear drops and then beat Lilith. After that it is just endless loop of either nightmare dungeons or helltide farming (D4). That’s what lead me here to LE and so far I’m just blindly exploring the game without a guide 😊

[lofty mirage]

how long do you guys' load screens last when porting into locations?

[sudden trellis]

what's the strongest runemaster build rn? fire turret?

[wide sentinel]

lightning blast or frostbite frost claw

[acoustic junco]

it isn't that bad...it is classic vanilla diablo...same with D3... endgame is limited but thats always been the case....you get the gear, you beat the bosses...it isn't designed to play constantly, the idea was you do the season, you do X amount of content, you move on.... Vanilla D3 was horrific... once we get a few seasons in, picks up from S3 onwards...

If anyone here remembers Diablo 3 Season 1, was double loot goblins.... 😐 there is more to do now in S2...and will be more to do soon with Abbatoir

in fariness season 1 wasn't even that bad...it was just extremely slow with even less limited endgame... the problem with the world today is social media... people forgot how bad Diablo 3 was on launch...we didn't have a seson in D3 for coming up to a year after launch.. D3 got good with ROS....

with anything... go into something with 0 expectations, you cannot be disappointed, you can only be pleasantly surprised 🙂

[pastel pebble]

D4 should have a money based AH

[shy phoenix]

I'm trying to bind rmb to move/interact but for some reason the game says rmb is already in use when it isn't?

[wide sentinel]

How is people forgetting how bad d3 was on launch a problem, are we supposed to get used to bad products nowadays? Are we supposed to buy it, not complain that it feels awful and not worth money and wait years for devs to make it better? I dont understand how you see that as a problem

If game feels bad, thats it, its that simple no excuses

[acoustic junco]

Never said it was okay...

it is also...classic Blizzard.... again, not saying it is okay...it is just their tradition 😄 release something, okayish...break it...so they can fix it again later xD

very few games have an expansive endgame at release... or even during EA... it is limited for a long while...

[wide sentinel]

Well blizzard makes bad products and people dont like it, i dont think the hatewagon is overblown or anyhting, they deserve all of it

[acoustic junco]

i never said the hatewagon was overblown, i simply said Social media is a big player in the response to the changes that were made, to someone who couldn't understand the issues... For example...to report a bug in a game i should not have to use twitter 😛

Last Epoch has a report bug button...as do all of blizzards other games 😄

when reporting an issue with a game, no one other than the devs should need to or be able to make a comment in regards to said issue/bug... alas thats the world we in 😄 unless asking for advice around or to fix it 🙂

[toxic anvil]

Any uses for self damage?

I swear there was a 4 dmg over time to yourself somewhere

[sinful laurel]

yes, there are several uniques that have synergies from self damage

self ailment stacking

[toxic anvil]

What can you do with self ailment stacks?

[dull niche]

Why i have bonus corruption in first screenshot and don't have on second?

[sinful laurel]

see diothaen's bloody nib

or immolator's oblation

[faint cape]

Bonus corruption is the "catch up" mechanic. So, you get it on your lower corruption monoliths if you have one at higher corruption.

[dull niche]

Its like to faster rise corruption other monolith if i have already raised some of them?

[faint cape]

Correct, so like here you have that one at 157c, so your monolith at 100c gets bonus so you can catch up to the other a little faster

[toxic anvil]

If you clear corruption on a higher mobility, you won’t get the bonus right?

[faint cape]

Yeah, I think it's based on your current highest, not highest ever reached

[warm gyro]

please let me first say - I am sorry if this belongs in another channel, I wasn't exactly sure where to post. I get an account update message now when I launch LE from steam, telling me that steam is now required and that I should migrate. however, I've always played LE through steam, so I dunno what's going on. could anybody help me out here?

[sinful laurel]

try this first https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/migration-to-steam/52234

[faint cape]

Force restart Steam, it should help

[sinful laurel]

although it is weird that it reverted back

oh yeah, do that first

[warm gyro]

thx for the quick help, guys, that fixed it

I tried restarting the game, didn't think of restarting steam

glad it could be fixed so easily

[timid tangle]

Hello everyone!

Returning player here, I played back in april of this year with a couple of friends, and we really liked the game, but we lost interest since we couldn't play the game together; When we where in a multiplayer game together and everyone was using the abilities, we got immense lag and rubberbanding, to the point where 1 of our party members was asked to not use 2 of his abilities, since it made the game completely freeze.

We've been talking about revisiting the game once 1.0 hits, but after I've been searching a bit online and in here about this topic, I haven't found any documented changes to improve the multiplayer experience, in fact I would say what I found is quite the opposite, and it actually sounded like the game is worse in multiplayer now, than when we played.

Now obviously that may be the experience of 1 individual, and doesn't necessarily reflect the entire player base, but I actually struggled to find anyone talking positive about the game as a multiplayer experience. So here I am, asking for what you guys' experience is with multiplayer? Is the lag/wait time really that bad?

Thanks in advance 🙂

[wide sentinel]

everyone knows that multiplayer is playable now with at most 2 people(and even then not always, depending on your location) and devs also know about these issues and working on them

if u have party of more than 2 people its bad

[misty helm]

am I just extremely lucky, or is there some sort of hidden preference for teh eternity cache to transfer over t6 affixes?

[sinful laurel]

You're extremely lucky

[wide sentinel]

no

[misty helm]

well, hope it continues then, since it feels more like 50% chance than 25% atm. 😉

[sinful laurel]

My eternity cache almost exclusively avoids exalted affixes

Like the plague

[wide sentinel]

now that u jinxed it, prepare for a spree of nice slams

[misty helm]

🙂

does mana cost round before spending, or can you spent fractions and it just doesnt show in UI?

like when you have mana reduction nodes, some pts in it will show a -1 others a -2, but in practice are they the same amount?

[native sail]

I believe you can spend fractions but visually only see rounded numbers (like everything really)

[misty helm]

perfect, thats been my hope and seems the consistency here

which means you could have 99.7% crit avoidance and see 100?

[native sail]

Believe so yes

[lofty inlet]

hey there are tons of changes coming for the 1.0, did i miss something, but how about set items? anything being done about them?

[sinful laurel]

Not that we know of

[faint cape]

Yeah, neither functionally rounds, just the display does

[faint cape]

tbh, that'll most likely be a cycle 2 or 3 thing, but they could always decide to pop it in magically if it happens to be ready

[misty helm]

I think I die the most to wengari axe throwers, there something special about them I am overlooking? other than my just brazingly running into packs ahead of my minion when I shouldnt.

[lofty inlet]

fast attack speed, long range, high numbers

[misty helm]

rgr

[lofty inlet]

what you need is determination, anger, exterminator mindset

[misty helm]

I guess throwing attacks cant be sidestepped the same that bows can

hahaha

[lofty inlet]

yeah projectile speed doesnt help either

[faint cape]

If you strafe them, they usually miss you

[lofty inlet]

as you strafe you usually run into another pack of them

[faint cape]

but yeah generally having a gap closer helps

[misty helm]

they do less dmg up close? Im playing necro with single mage atm, so we dont really care about getting close unless we have to, or if I am just blazingly past without caring

are there any monsters that have range/melee differences? I just assumed its only the no dmg from range bubble that it mattered, but now I question

[sinful laurel]

I think toast meant a gap closer is nice if you need to be close to kill them. A la melee

[misty helm]

crazy melee folks

kk, just wanted to make sure I wasnt assuming where i shouldnt

[naive valve]

whats the current meta?

[native sail]

Low life.

[sinful laurel]

Playing the game is the current meta

[pastel pebble]

Gotta no life the low life meta

[drowsy wave]

Guys Any of you ever lost a weapon/ gear piece due to that duplication glitch where it looks like u have the same item twice?

[faint cape]

Yeah, Primeval is right. I assumed you were melee, since ranged builds often kill the axe throwy dudes from offscreen

[faint cape]

Yes, but I found it in a weird spot of my stash. Search your stash for it (every tab), it might be somewhere in there. If not, check your forge and gift inventories.

[toxic anvil]

cant get an Eber liver lmao heeelp what do i doo

[lunar holly]

kill the eber south of tundra's waypoint

[toxic anvil]

thanks man!

[analog wadi]

i was wondering why i always got it so fast lol

the mysteries of LE

[thorny glen]

Guys finally im gonna change my toaster pc for the BEAST and im doing backup of stuff, the bank of items from my online characters needs transfered too or it's stored on the servers of the game? 🤔

[cinder fossil]

your online characters / stash are stored server side, you won't need to do anything on your end

[thorny glen]

nice, only i will backup my offline stuff then

[languid jolt]

this shouldn't be possible right?

aka, no connection to root

[sterile widget]

Cool bug

You can submit it using in-game report tool

[languid jolt]

oh this is from the build planner. If it was in the game I wouldn't tell them xd

[sinful laurel]

oh then tell dammit at least

[sterile widget]

You can submit that one to Dammit then 🙂

[sinful laurel]

unless thats maxroll

[sterile widget]

Definitely looks like LETools

[languid jolt]

LETools correct

lowkey was hoping it was possible

[sinful laurel]

@bronze ocean pardon the ping, see above error on planner

[sterile widget]

Only way to know is to try it in game 😉

[bronze ocean]

Thanks, I'll take a look

[wary light]

So I loaded up an old character, level 16, and I'm at the quest where I help the Welryn citizens. Given the semi-recent Act 1 update, how do I get my specialization? Do I just keep trucking? This character is from before the update so idk if I should just scrap the character.

[sinful laurel]

you now get your mastery at the end of act 2

[wary light]

Yeyeyeye, but on that character I'm past that point so idk how it'll work

[sinful laurel]

is that past the point?

[wary light]

yeee

for sure

[sinful laurel]

oh i guess with you not doing the new act 1 at all

hmm

have you tried talking to the timeless knight?

idk if you can just choose your mastery now

[wary light]

Just leveled a diff charcter and the welryn citizens shit doesnt come til after the end of time

so yea idk what to do with that lvl 16

[sinful laurel]

try and choose a mastery

or scrap it i guess, its just level 16 after all

[wary light]

thats the tricky part, I cant. I cant travel to the end of time at all

[sinful laurel]

you could also join a mp game and have someone port you i guess

[wary light]

hmmmmmm

I didnt think bout that'n

ima try and go to where I fight pannion and see if the portal is there

fuck me

[drowsy wave]

@faint cape allready did that sadly it seems i vendored it cause it took the look of ma axe but was a shield, sucks hard was a apathys 2lp and im new to the game

[wary light]

yee all I had to do was kill pannion again, and I was able to get to the end of time

i guess some I was bound to have some weird things happen loading an outdated character like that

[sinful laurel]

Good to know

[toxic anvil]

is it worth it to care about regular monos blessings?

[lofty mirage]

Just got back into the game, is bladedancer levelling really just smooth? I gave up on levelling necro cos it felt too clunky and switching to this the difference is just so jarring. I didnt play this class when i played like 2 years ago so i dont have a point of reference.

[toxic anvil]

and whats the benefit of empowered? just more blessing roll ranges?

[sinful laurel]

Much higher blessing ranges.

And no, just get to empowered

[toxic anvil]

gaaat it

[sinful laurel]

Yes

[lofty mirage]

Alright. I felt like i was doing something really wrong with necro cos the damage just feels so slow. Also, not having a skill like convocate feels kinda bad.

[sinful laurel]

Necro has decent leveling too, but BD is just fast

Fast and smooth

And I'm not biased at all

What is convocate?

[carmine coyote]

From poe, it teleports ur minions on top of you

[sinful laurel]

Oh. Skeleton mage has that doesn't it?

[lofty mirage]

really? i was using spirit plague all the while thinking when i get into the bone golem setup it would feel really good, but the improvement isnt that big

[carmine coyote]

Sort of, yes

[sinful laurel]

Also now the experimental affix exists too

Spirit plague is piss easy leveling all through campaign

[lofty mirage]

but the golem dies pretty fast when you rip blood and it also lags behind so much

[sinful laurel]

I guess I run it as a lich though, I don't really do minion builds

[lofty mirage]

Huh, really. The damage over time felt really slow

[sinful laurel]

Spirit plague is very strong

[lofty mirage]

I played the crit lich death seal one the first time i played years ago, but it didnt feel this slow

[sinful laurel]

Hmm idk

But yeah, BD leveling is nice. Especially if you got some dots to run

[lofty mirage]

Felt like spirit plague only demolishes small mobs, but maybe im supposed to just ignore big guys in campaign

[carmine coyote]

1 dot, shadow daggers

[sinful laurel]

Lol that too

[carmine coyote]

Lvl 16 = ~1200 crits

[lofty mirage]

But maybe necro just isnt for me. I'll probably just stick to lich when i level another acolyte again

Is maintaining the lich form kinda hard during levelling? I remember it being that way the last time i played

[carmine coyote]

Depends

[sinful laurel]

With some leech nah

You can stay reaper for a while. And the cooldown isn't that long either

[lofty mirage]

I see i see. I was debating on whether making a lich or swarmblade next.

[sinful laurel]

I've never played primalist, but I like lich

[carmine coyote]

Swarmblade is a bit strong

Not as rogue

[lofty mirage]

It just looked like the lightning procs looked satisfying

[carmine coyote]

You need some gear and setup to make it work

It'd recommend going bleed and using the form on cooldown

[sinful laurel]

Bleed locust swarm is super strong right?

[carmine coyote]

Yep

[lofty mirage]

if it has any mandatory items i can maybe farm them with this bladedancer im using first

[lofty mirage]

can you maybe link me a build for this?

[carmine coyote]

Its a viable option, but playing primalist would yield more items towards it, rather than the bladedancer

[sinful laurel]

Nope haha

Like I said. No primalist here

I just have a weird semi eidetic memory

[lofty mirage]

wait thats how drops work?

[sinful laurel]

For class specific things yes

And some non class specific items too actually, but not many

[lofty mirage]

interesting, i see

[toxic anvil]

the "traveller's frailty" node in volatile reversal says I take "increased" damage while it's on cooldown, but uh that's basically I take "more" damage right?

[sinful laurel]

Yes

Iirc

[toxic anvil]

so not worth haha?

[lofty mirage]

i feel like ive been swapping between so many classes just to see how they feel lol, i should try to stick to one first

[sinful laurel]

Lol sounds familiar. Or you play only rogue for like a year and then realize you only have rogue shit when you want to go back to mage or acolyte 😦

[lofty mirage]

first time i played this i did the orb void knight, the spellblade with the expanding ring skill, and crit lich

wanting to try to get a feel of the other classes

[sinful laurel]

Well rogue and primalist will both serve you very well

[carmine coyote]

One day when theres party meta, rogue will be the ultimate boss killer

[lofty mirage]

rogue damage feels super busted but ngl, the targeting umbral blades feel iffy

but maybe this is just levelling

the ring blades feel so small

[carmine coyote]

Just take the explosion

It inherits the procs

[sinful laurel]

I just tested a cold explosion flurry of blades UB spam. Super fun build

Feels like a Poe miner/trapper lol

[faint cape]

If you vendored it, check the buyback menu. Also, I strongly recommend never bothering to vendor stuff except like arena keys.

[drowsy wave]

@faint cape allready did that i vendored other stuff after that cause i was cleaning up ma stash

[lofty mirage]

yeah im tempted to try it, i think the recalling thing is what makes it clunky to use

[drowsy wave]

i wouldnt vendor it if had enough runes to shatter it all

[sinful laurel]

I've made a recall UB build. It is indeed clunku

[faint cape]

No need to shatter everything either, they just vendor for very little

[swift star]

Is the "The Desert Waystation" quest bugged? It looks like a main story quest, but didn't complete for myself or my buddy just now... but we made it through the Desert Waystation, picked up "Journey to the Necropolis" and it doesn't seem to be stopping us, just sitting there on the quest list

[misty helm]

how taboo is it to talk about offline save files around these parts? trying to parse out some of these numbers, but it's not really something I can find many resources for

[sinful laurel]

not taboo at all

[toxic anvil]

is the 1 added spell damage to consecrated ground per 5% increased healing eff. per second?

[faint cape]

It's added based on the listed damage effectiveness (I don't remember off the top of my head, but it's on the tooltip)

[toxic anvil]

okay cool thanks 🙂

consecrated ground scaled with attunement too right?

[toxic anvil]

also, how do we get the bonus timeline stablilty?

[faint cape]

It scales with whatever attributes the tooltip says (I think it might be both attunement and strength?)

[bronze ocean]

I fixed the issue that allowed to remove node points ignoring dependency restrictions when there are cyclical dependencies. Thanks for pinging me.

[toxic anvil]

uh does increased mana not work off base mana?

[polar holly]

does DOT portion of entangling roots and maelstrom scale with % increased spell damage on affixes?

[analog wadi]

i had to transfer my offline saves to a new disk drive. do you know where your saves are at?

[wicked mauve]

hi all little question, i have a massive drop frame rate when more 10/15 target on me 60fps but drop to 30 , another one have the same problem?

[faint cape]

It should apply like any increased modifier, after added stuff is applies to the base stat

[thorny glen]

in search bar put "%appdata%" go to Locallow>Eleventh Hour Games>Lastepoch>Saves

[analog wadi]

thats the spot

i saved those files on an external drive and transferred flawlessly

[thorny glen]

nice

[analog wadi]

lootfilters needed to be re added

[thorny glen]

nah

copy the filters folder and put it in your new pc

[analog wadi]

wheres the filters folder lol

[analog wadi]

a

ooooooo filters folder

if only i knew

lesson learned

its funny cuz i externally saved the characters. i loaded steam on new comp and the files were already there haha

dont know how that worked

no cloud saves...

[crude jewel]

can someone confirm, mouse button 4 you cant asign as a key anywhere?

is that a bug or just not implemented yet?

[pallid shore]

Guys should i put all the points in the primary class or to wait to be able to jump over the secondary classes of the same character ?

[safe harness]

It’s very inexpensive to change passive points once you unlock the mastery

So can just spend all points

[pallid shore]

And would it be easy to respec the favourite skills later ?

I would guess i would get more fun to use skills in the future

[safe harness]

You have to relevel skills when you change them but there’s a catch up mechanic so it’s not that big of a deal

The only thing you can’t change is your mastery choice

[pallid shore]

So if I pick lich or a necro i will stay with that. Ok its similar to other games like this one

[surreal verge]

Also you need 20 points in your base class tree to even access the subclass passives.

[desert tree]

What is the max res shred you get from poison stacks?

150 %?

[surreal verge]

150%/60%

[desert tree]

60% boss?

[misty helm]

Which one of these values is referring to an affix being sealed? this was a glove I sealed a while back before I knew you could put experimental affix on uniques. I want to undo the seal, and just fun practice to see and understand these item arrays. I know I have to change the #of affix variable in the preamble, and I know the 82 is part of the sealed affix, but I am not sure how the affix variables line up. tier, affix, value? all the 64 means T5? [2,4,5,3,0,48,144,73,0,132,82,163,10,64,34,172,64,25,180,64,97,63,0]

[2,4,5,4,0, /patch, slot, base, rarity
48,144,73,0, /implicit value, value, ?
132, <-- also dont know what this is
82,163,10, /experimental or sealed lives here?
64,34,172, /tier, affix, value
64,25,180,
64,97,63,
0]

[icy drift]

What lol

[misty helm]

offline character save file

[icy drift]

Ah

[misty helm]

its amazing how much of the save file is devoted to keeping track of monolith maps

makes sense, but amazing

[icy drift]

Yeah I mean you need to save the position, completion, reward, map type, monolith location and modifiers of every single revealed echo

[polar holly]

question, i want to make a tier 7 "missing health gained as ward" affix, what is the best way to do it? do i just use glyph of insight on a t7 + t4 gloves in hope of getting it?

[desert tree]

I don't think you can craft a t7

[misty helm]

insight can only get to T5

[desert tree]

Exalted are drop only and I am pretty sure it applies to experimental affix too

[icy drift]

Yup

[misty helm]

if you are willing to settle for a 5 for now, there is a convoluted but reliable way to craft it. requires an exalted prefix base

[polar holly]

do tell

i currently have a tier 6, but the 3 other mods are not great

[misty helm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/16x3hly/perfect_information_glyph_of_insight/

exalted prefix that is highest affix. both suffix same tier, and a sealed T2+ affix, that gets you a T4 when you use the glyph on the other prefix

have to juggle the TAT to make sure you get the hp->ward, and count the sealed affix tiers in your math

if you have an exalted prefix gloves, I can walk you through calculating the TAT part. the 5th tier is unkown, but I suspect its TAT > 20

[polar holly]

naruhodo

[crude jewel]

why cant i assign mouse button 4 as a key?

[glacial shell]

I've just started playing a little while ago so maybe this is a dumb question but can I decrease corruption? I've just gotten to the monolith yesterday and I see that after a bit I get to a node where I can get +4 corruption in exchange for a new map. I assume if I keep doing this, eventually I'm going to hit a wall, as it were? I also assume that if I dont take that node I am going to run out of map so is it even really a choice?

[surreal verge]

Yes there's methods to decrease corruption.
Also don't raise corruption in normal monoliths, they have a cap of 50, while empowered starts at 100

[glacial shell]

why wouldnt i raise it?

in the normal one i mean

[surreal verge]

THey have a cap of 50 corruption.

Empowered monoltihs start at a base of 100 corruption instead, and is easily unlockable (Clearing all 3 lv90 monoliths)

[glacial shell]

ah you mean because I'll leave them behind so it'd be a waste of time. well I'm only level80 and i dont think my gear is any good yet so i might stay with the lower ones for a bit

[surreal verge]

Yes.
In decent builds they can clear base empowered pretty easily even at lv 80+

[glacial shell]

i guess. maybe i took lagon killing me with his moonbeam too personal.

[surreal verge]

Oh, lagon's the build check/wall everyone faces, don't worry

[glacial shell]

i just cant get hit, it seems. even with max resistances.

i do kill him, but i also get one shoot by the moonbarf

[surreal verge]

Moonbarf kills most builds.

ALso resistance isn't everything, you need health and other defense layers in LE