❔┃ask-the-community

[fresh aspen]

feels like ur damage is coming from multiple sources

[slim scarab]

Best Minion class for endgame is the necro or the Beastmaster?

[desert tree]

They are both very good

[knotty tinsel]

necro is the premier pure minion class while beastmaster leans into fighting with your minions a little more. but both are excellent yeah

[faint cape]

bees are the one true hero of minion builds

[steep wind]

Guys, how are u? I am new in this game and I've seen a lot of people complaining about the current online status on the web. So I would like to ask if this is real because I dont want to spent hours in a char and face some ground breaking issues. Actually I've already have a LVL 60 Sorcerer but it is an offline char

[sinful laurel]

Online is well playable for most of us at this point but still has some lag and netcode issues. This is for solo online, it seems that playing actual coop online with others still has a fair number of issues

But it's not like playing online will brick your character eventually.

You just may encounter some lag and rubber banding depending on your RL situation

[steep wind]

Alright, so do u think is worth it anyway to have an online player for when everything be fixed eventually (and maybe a future LFG system 🙂 ) I would be able to use that char? Sometimes people say as if the offline mode is better in a gameplay-sense

[native sail]

There's some bugs that exist in online that don't in offline, otherwise gameplay is literally identical so I don't know what they would be talking about outside of that

[steep wind]

Yeah, I did not understand too and I also understand that reddit is a toxic and unbelievable place sometimes (reason for me to join this server and ask people that really enjoy the game ) but as I've never played this game online before, I was afraid to "lose" spent time

[native sail]

The only spent time you "lose" is offline characters can't be played online and vice versa. People haven't had any data issues with their stuff since those problems were solved in March/early April.

[sinful laurel]

Sorry maybe I should be clearer. There are NO game breaking, character bricking bugs or issues in online play. You may experience some lag and rubber banding. That is it.

[steep wind]

So great to know guys, I feel more confident now to drop my offline Mage before endgame hahahaha Thank you very much

[outer saddle]

What is the best weapon-based melee class currently?

[native sail]

What do you mean by weapon based

Just... not a spellcaster?

[outer saddle]

Not someone casting spells at melee range for example, like a lich I guess

Basically someone strong at melee, with good aoe for mob clear

[native sail]

I mean, there's BD, there's Druid, there's VK, there's Pally, there's even Spellblade. Out of these, VK and Pally are probably the worst performing (not bad by any means though). After that it comes down to what exactly you're looking for and your specifications of it

[outer saddle]

Firstly thanks a lot. What's BD and VK?

[native sail]

Bladedancer and Void Knight

[outer saddle]

1. Good aoe
2. Good single target
3. Not squishy (can facetank non-red attacks by bosses)
4. Good at levelling is a bonus
5. Not dependent on special rare gear (like bees/squirrel)

[native sail]

BD kinda hits all of those, but it obfuscates the melee tag a little.

[outer saddle]

Wdym? Also what spec?

[surreal verge]

BladeDancer is a Rogue spec.

[outer saddle]

I mean what skills do you focus on?

[native sail]

BD can be played both throwing and melee, but the skills most often used are Umbral Blades (strictly throwing), Shurikens (throwing), and Shadw Cascade, which is a little... weird. It's melee, but it doesn't play super melee if that makes sense.

[outer saddle]

Ok got it, do you have a link to a guide?

Or a char

[native sail]

I don't personally have a build for it, but people in #🔪┃rogue may be able to assist with that, I prefer playing pretty off-meta haha Cinder Strike go brrrrrr, but that comes with costs of being inefficient

[cedar locust]

Guides can be useful, though always double check the gear requirements as some of them rely heavily on boss-drop only loot that is also 'locked' behind the endgame.

Like Deias said, #🔪┃rogue will be your best place for advice - though you can get pretty far in game just by playing without a guide or plan! I got to Chapter 8 before I needed to start optimising my BD Rogue 😊

[outer saddle]

Got it, thanks a lot all

[cedar locust]

No worries! We're here if you have more questions! Also,

[runic slate]

Hey, are online servers a bit bugy today ?

cannot enter monos with friends

"Echo Already in progress" - [LE63]

[cedar locust]

Are you Ridersbattle in game by any chance?

[runic slate]

it's my friend yes!

[cedar locust]

Ah I just replied to them asking if they were able to teleport to you!

[runic slate]

It seems like the workaround is to tp back to End of time, regroup, launch mono

but at the end of each mono, we're hit with the bug therefore needing to leave group and redo the process

[cedar locust]

Yeah, the LE-63 error happens when the server see's someone in the Echo already.

Just doing a dive on our Forums and Discord to see if there is a more permanent solution for you both, though it is worth reporting this to the Forums yourselves in one post with your player.log files!

[runic slate]

Dying seems to have resolved the issue

For some reason, but now it works! lol

[cedar locust]

That... that... welp! I'm glad you can play now! Seems this is quite an intermittent issue so there isn't much advice on solutions however, do please report this with your player.log files to our Bug Forum here : https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports/23

Player.log file Guide :
https://support.lastepoch.com/hc/en-us/articles/1260805192629-The-Game-s-Log-File

It's also worth verifying your steam files when you grab those player.log files 🙂

[runic slate]

Will do after the session! Thanks Averielle for the help and guidance.

💪

[cedar locust]

Good hunting! Happy to help!

[wicked plover]

yo guys ! if i wanted to farm julras ring with high lp chance t3 would probably be best right? highest lvl with ~40% dropchance?
im at run 7 on t3 now and all i got is 1 glove and 6 helmets, feels kinda scuffed

[sinful laurel]

Target farming julra items with more than one LP is an exercise in pure frustration, just fyi.

But beyond that yeah. Just keep running her and hope

[wicked plover]

i am aware x) thought 2lp could be somewhat realistic on ring though

[sinful laurel]

Depends on your definition of somewhat realistic

[wicked plover]

well for starters it would be nice to drop it at all, 0/7 with 40% chance is pushing statistical boundaries imo

but rng is rng i guess

[sinful laurel]

Nah not really. Still a small sample size with every instance being independent

I know it's frustrating though.

That desire sensor is real

[wicked plover]

as long as its possible im fine with it, just felt a bit weird

[sinful laurel]

It's def possible. Just wanted to prepare you for the rough journey fairly 🙂

[wicked plover]

cheers ^^ i will try to keep up hope 😄

[faint cape]

yep, the fact that they drop with 1 LP minimum leads people to think that getting 2 LP will be reasonable, but it's the same chance as any other high LPL item dropping with 2 LP.... abysmal

[wicked plover]

is 70 weight really that crazy high compared to other high tier uniques
doesnt sound as unreasonable as a bastion or argentus

[sinful laurel]

Wings is obviously an extreme example. And bastion with LP is more about the rarity of bastion itself I think. But like toast said, the perception of julra items is that 2lp should be higher. And it's not

[wicked plover]

yea i get that, the guaranteed lp is super bait x) but the numbers sound kinda alright on paper

[sinful laurel]

Go forth and do science!

[knotty tinsel]

if you can reliably do the dungeon at the highest tier then it sounds a lot less painful than grinding for a world drop with LP

might even get a good Vessel of strife along the way, fun item

[wicked plover]

is t4 smarter than t3 if you wanan go for ring? since drop chance of ring on t4 is lower than t3 ( regardless of lp chance)

since t3 to t4 is only 5 lvl diff

[sinful laurel]

It's only 5 level difference but the difference in HP and damage is quite large

If you can do t4 quickly and reliably then I would do it though

Still can get ring and like torgor said, chance at other drops that only drop at t4

[wicked plover]

alright, i'll ifddle around a bit and see what comes out of it 😄

[knotty tinsel]

non-obvious tip for dungeon that might already have been said but whatever:

the generic item reward that you see when you use the key and pick the difficulty changes every day

so it's worth saving your keys for something you really like

(I'm not sure if there's a "best" option, maybe exalted weapons?)

[wicked plover]

yea today is pretty good with weaps i believe

any clue about server reset time?

[knotty tinsel]

nop

[native sail]

You can find out server reset time by checking the reward rotation for tomorrow and seeing how many hours until it's on, then just do math from there

[faint cape]

I recommend running T4 if you can reliably, just for ability to get vessel drops like mentioned. The higher LP chance from being higher level should offset the reduction in drop chance at least some

(also, higher glove drop rate and lower helm drop rate are both benefits of T4)

[broken kernel]

Is enchant weapon (kindling blade node) bugged? Sometimes it just doesnt seem to auto cast

[livid bridge]

Does bone curse can crit? (so the singularity is always better than not having it)

[sinful laurel]

Singularity is never worth it.

[knotty tinsel]

if you're adding singularity to a theorycraft you know you've hit a dead end

[desert tree]

Abyssal Wave from the Anchor of Oblivion unique relic is a hit that can't crit

[knotty tinsel]

does it specify it can't crit or is its base crit zero?

[desert tree]

According to our holy savior Dammitt and letools it says it can't crit

[knotty tinsel]

hmmm

stack dodge chance, mountain boots, trigger it on cd

badabing badaboom

[desert tree]

Imo it lacks of an area tag

I don't know how big the aoe is though, I never played it

But 200 base dmg, 500 dmg effect and vit give you +2

That's kind sweet

[sinful laurel]

Applies 3 stacks of slow to the caster lol. Pog

[knotty tinsel]

doesn't matter if you're standing still with mountain boots

the hard part is actually getting dodge on a sentinel lol

dodge shield?

queen of the forest shield bash potion spam

anomaly for cdr for more shield bash for more potions

this might be the worst train of thought I've ever followed

[outer jay]

seasons and stuff like that come in 1.0 right?

[desert tree]

Yes

@knotty tinsel

[knotty tinsel]

yeah nah that's behind the mana node on VR

not happening

[desert tree]

Or maybe you play paladin

There is some dodge in holy aura

Wing guard or zerick gloves

[faint cape]

I'd take this with a grain of salt, and maybe it should be tested to verify... For example, umbral blades bladestorm also says "can't crit".

[steep wind]

Guys, good morning/evening everyone. THere is an easier way to sort items by "strenght" in the inventory? Sometimes it is hard to compare which is better when the inventory is full, idk if I am missing something

[sinful laurel]

There is no way for the inventory sorter to know what strength means to you

[safe harness]

I thought it sorts it big to small from left to right

So you end up with your two-handed weapons on the left and rings and amulets on the left

[sinful laurel]

Quantum inventory 😉

[stoic marsh]

Does unique drop tied to mono bosses have higher drop on empowered ?.

[native sail]

They do by nature of increased rarity from corruption and modifiers

[stoic marsh]

great. i just reached empowered, time to targetfarm uniques.

[final maple]

so i misunderstood the end of legendary dungeon lol, literally clicked map to teleport. is my legendary gone forever or if i run dungeon again can i get it back?

[cinder fossil]

if you teleported out, its gone

[faint cape]

Run the dungeon again, it'll be waiting for you there. It does prevent you from using the cache on your next run though, I think.

[cinder fossil]

wait, really?

i thought it would disappear

interesting

[final maple]

sweet it was there

god bless

[toxic anvil]

will the excessive explosives decoy skill increase the dot of the poison applied by poison flask if you've replaced explosions with flasks?

[waxen yew]

is there fun unique/legendary whatever items in game that switch up builds/skills in a big way?

or is it all just stat buffs

[south wind]

there are quite a few build enabling items

[waxen yew]

cool diablo 4 is kinda lame so im thinkin about playin this game

hows the endgame in last epoch?

[south wind]

well you just push your build to its limit and see what corruption you can handle

the devs talked about plans to make endgame mapping more diverse

maps, bosses, dungeons, arena

How do you improve loading times for maps? Do I need to get an SSD

[knotty tinsel]

yes, multiple and they can be pretty wild

[knotty tinsel]

you'll get a different answer depending on who you ask. IMO, it's solid, but needs a bit more. As is you can definitely spend ~infinite time farming for endgame upgrades though if that's your thing

[fast gyro]

Out of curiosity, have the load times been fixed for multiplayer when entering new areas during the campaign?

[desert tree]

I don't think so, there is going to be a massive polish/bugfix/various improvements patch coming

[faint cape]

No. Skills with a spec tree (like poison flask) never inherit modifiers from other skills unless specifically stated. Only exception is the meteor procced by black hole.

They benefit from their own spec tree instead

[toxic anvil]

Even if the wording would effectively replace it in the skill?

Like explosions replaced with flasks

Inc explosion dmg

—> increased flask dmg

[faint cape]

Since you are replacing the explosion with something else, there's no longer an explosion to scale. If it said that explosion damage is changed to apply to those flasks, then it would apply, but otherwise no

[lost delta]

Is there a known bug list somewhere? I'm wondering if Endurance while channeling warpath is bugged... anyone able to supply an answer?

[surreal verge]

There should be no issues with that interaction.

[lost delta]

It is not activating, is there a difference between offline and online? I am offline, and it's not updating any of the endurance tooltips.

Just stays at 20%

[surreal verge]

What should be giving you endurance?

[knotty tinsel]

endurance while warpathing affix I think

[lost delta]

Yup.

[knotty tinsel]

wouldn't be surprised if it bugged out and never got noticed because it's definitely not one of the better affixes in the game

[pastel pebble]

Oh I have a T6 or something of that set aside

Shame to hear that

[knotty tinsel]

t7 is quite incredible

[native sail]

Lmfao wtf

[knotty tinsel]

it's also not consistent with its entry in the "items" tab of LEtools, but I trust the builder version more

apparently at some point it capped at 20%

[sterile bane]

t7 and t6 are the same?

[deep ether]

hey guys, i am new to the game, if i want to respec a skill, whats the best place to go to level it up? i dont know what level the areas are

[faint cape]

Does "resistance while channeling" show on the character sheet? I wouldn't be super surprised if it works, but just doesn't show up. Anyway, to answer the question - no, there's no definitive list of known bugs. The closest thing that exists is the forums, if (and only if) there's a bug report for it on there you can assume it's known.

[faint cape]

If you are in the campaign, just keep plugging along if you can, it'll level up quickly. If you can't, just go backward a few zones until you can at least survive a little (and this means you probably need to pay attention to your gear, maybe check the vendor or gambler to try and get some quick upgrades).

[deep ether]

i am stuck at teh immortal citadel where u need to beat teh 3 bosses together, cant finish it, so i thought i would change my build a little

[faint cape]

I see, I recommend looking for a new weapon in the zone(s) immediately leading up to it (or from gambler/merchant) unless you're a minion build, and farming that area will relevel your skills pretty quickly, too

the more dangerous of the two deals poison damage, so maybe craft poison and physical resistance on something if you can

[deep ether]

thanks, will try to do that, i am still pretty new so i am a little confused about the forging system and affixes and such

[faint cape]

totally fair, this might be a good opportunity to start fiddling with it. If you put an item in the forge (which you can open anywhere with F), you want items that have open suffixes (shown on the right side) to craft resistances/health. For weapons, the prefixes (left side) are where you can slot damage boosts

[deep ether]

wow i didnt know u can open the forge anywhere

awesome tip, ty

[faint cape]

no problem!

[lost delta]

I would expect to see the endurance go up on the char sheet just like the resistances go down...

[faint cape]

worth a bug report regardless

!bug

[ripe brook]

Please post bug reports on our forum: https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports. Thank you. :smile:

[lost delta]

yup, doing that now.

[livid bridge]

how tf make this uniq & key visible?

[knotty tinsel]

alt z

you accidentally toggled it

[livid bridge]

this should hide all the loot, isn't it? the rest is visible though

[knotty tinsel]

oh I just assumed from the question, that is strange

[livid bridge]

and tried, alt+z didn't seems help

[knotty tinsel]

loot filter troubles?

I see no filter active so probably not

hmm this one has me stumped

[livid bridge]

checked "no filter" - no success, just nameplates moved closer

[sterile bane]

i just press x and it disables filter

[knotty tinsel]

that's a different function, alt z hides all nameplates and similar effects on screen

cinematic mode if you will

[grim yacht]

Hi! I'M new on LE and I have a question about the chat in-game. I want to disable it, like I don't want to see any messages, but unfortunatly, even if the "disable chat" option is checked in, I continue to see global messages. Is this normal?

[native sail]

Nope, it's a known bug

[knotty tinsel]

hopefully fixed soon

for now we all suffer together

[grim yacht]

Aight, thanks 😄 !

[sinful laurel]

Sometimes the clickable labels are spaced away from the pillar of light. No clue why

Check around the area

[livid bridge]

thanks, but it's a too late at this point. Also even if it was the case, arena is too small and i checked every corner, didn't notice them anywhere near. Also, toggling filter places all the nameplaces at the center of the screen for a first few seconds, hence another reason why its unlikely

How does soul ember works? It does stay after death, but it removed on successful dungeon completion. Is it intended or is some of cases is bug? is it safe to leave game while i have some ember?

well, it did reset on starting next dungeon. even weirder

[desert tree]

Some temporary "buff" that does not come with a timer are bug and can persist.

Even if you change character

[faint cape]

It's supposed to only exist within that one dungeon attempt. It seems like primarily a visual bug luckily, but that's probably why it hasn't been fixed yet

[toxic anvil]

does increasing bow dmg increase the ailment dmg applied by a bow skill?

[surreal verge]

Yes

[azure quest]

Anyone has any sort of fix for rubber-banding? usually happens when any sort of movement ability is used (teleport)

[safe harness]

dont tap the skill, hold it (warpath, rampage)

[serene patrol]

Is there a way to search for 2 or more different requirements in your stash? E.g Ring + Poison damage

[knotty tinsel]

ok now I feel like I'm going crazy because I got insisted upon that this is not the case like a few weeks ago

are "bow dmg" and "dmg while wielding a bow" almost the same then

[desert tree]

Nope

[surreal verge]

Really?

At this point idk the bow affixes are weird

[knotty tinsel]

not specifically about bows but skilltype tags in general

[sinful laurel]

Bow damage affixes on gear will not increase ailment damage. Damage while wielding a bow affixes will

[soft flint]

as d4 is boring af, is there any info on 1.0 date? im still waiting for warlock 😄

[dense root]

they’re trying to get 1.0 out before end of year

but we don’t have a date

[swift scaffold]

hey im new can someone help me

i am playing a harvest build

and i need Woven Flesh

i defeated the abdomination 5 times and it gave me the ring everytime

am i doing something wrong or just super fking unlucky?

[surreal verge]

The latter.

[broken burrow]

@swift scaffold the game feeds on your pain and senses it. 🙂 It'll happen

[deep ether]

hey guys, i am stuck on "Logging In" screen with the blue portal, anyone know whats the problem/solution?

[cedar locust]

Which server are you trying to connect to and are you getting any error codes at the top of the screen?

[deep ether]

no, just stuck

[cedar locust]

Hmmm, does this persist through reloads? It's worth verifying your steam files if so

[fresh aspen]

i thought ure leoxaves

[swift scaffold]

ahhahahaha

[swift scaffold]

i already got it ty AHHAH
just unlucky

[surreal verge]

Told ya

[buoyant trench]

Why is ignite not considered good?

Did that change recently?

[sinful laurel]

Ignite works just fine. It just inherently has a bit less internal support than some other dot ailments. But it plays very well depending on your goals

[knotty tinsel]

it's more an issue with lack of interesting things than lack of strong things

[sinful laurel]

Maehlins is probably the most interesting thing around ignite. Torgor has a decent point. If ignite had an item like snowdrift for Frostbite it would instantly be more used

[surreal verge]

Yeah it has a "It's pretty basic" issue

Is it bad? Heck no have you seen craterborn fireball? That thing stacks ignite like it's the 5th layer of hell

[sinful laurel]

I will say. Dragon boots are pretty amazing though, and kelthans is quite fun for rogues

Both very good for ignite

[knotty tinsel]

there's uh, eye of reen? but it's not specifically for ignite

[sinful laurel]

Yeah reen is almost more hit damage that utilize ignite. Kinda like that VK build

[knotty tinsel]

gotta be some cursed stuff you can do somewhere

[sinful laurel]

There is. Ask @pine plover. Their shield rush ignite is pretty bonkers

And stun chance ignite forge strike

I know everyone doubts me but my melee cinder ignite works pretty well for me. Won't go above 1k corr but idgaf

[stoic marsh]

Why are Glyphs of Chaos so useless !?!?. I got 500+ of these and NO USE of them ..

Dear devs... make Glyphs of chaos actually worth using.

I got 4 Glyphs of Despair.... 500+ of chaos 🤔

someone screwed up droprates here.

[native sail]

L take

Despairs should not anywhere near as common as chaos. Chaos are extremely good. Having common despairs would break the fucking game. Learn to craft.

[surreal verge]

That... sounds like a skill issue

[knotty tinsel]

shield rush is kinda cheating because shield rush is incredible with every damage type

[sinful laurel]

We can help with crafting basics but coming in hot like that won't endear you to anyone lol

[sinful laurel]

Fair lol

[knotty tinsel]

I am constantly running out of Chaos for reference

chaos crafter in poe, chaos crafter in le

[pastel pebble]

Chaos has a niche but extremely useful position in altering affixes that are too high for a despair or from a low tier a chance into something more worthwhile

Too many despairs would make it easier to spam rather than use thoughtfully. Have a fifth affix even at a T1/2 can be huge if its something like a cleanse on a belt

[native sail]

Me sealing T2 crit avoid on things for laziness

[pastel pebble]

I have a T1/2 on area size despair'd on my Bardiche and its not a total game changer but its noticable difference

It just raises the ceiling by a lot so it makes sense its harder to get and reliably use

[stoic marsh]

Considering all the rng in crafting... having the Chaos glyph is just another slap in the face imo.

[native sail]

Nope.

You're just wrong.

[broken burrow]

I find myself constantly out of chaos glyphs

when i find that awesome purple stat with one other stat thats the right type, crossing my fingers on removals and chaoses for the other 2 are the paths to success

for me

then if theres enough potential, despair along the way

but there are many ways to craft

[surreal verge]

My man, it lets you throw away affixes you don't want/need and gives you a chance on affixes you need/want

[buoyant trench]

I love chaos glyphs!

Especially when I have a semi perfect roll, and the roll selection becomes limited to what I need

There is the glyph of order, in which I have NO idea when to use.

[cedar locust]

If someone says they hate doing something because it's difficult or unintuitive and that's caused by not having a proper understanding of the tools at their disposal - lets explain/share resources so they can learn and get all the benefits from it instead of just saying 'I like it'

@stoic marsh , a lot of players here would be willing to help you learn, just gotta be polite and ask 😊

Also, we have the #368968647114227723 and #suggestions-and-like-to-see channels so you can let the Dev team know how you feel about a particular mechanic or make suggestions for improvements!

[native sail]

Ave, I mean no disrespect, but Dreez has had several extremely experienced players explain it to them and had resources given to them, they refuse to use them or try to actually learn

[cedar locust]

No shade intended - I did scroll back to yesterday and couldn't see the help myself, just Primeval offering to explain it.

As someone completely in the dark about how chaos glyphs work, it might be that between here and Dreez's post there are explanations but they weren't worded in a way I understood ❤️

[native sail]

It's because this isn't a two day thing. This has been a complaint brought up by Dreez in multiple channels on several occassions

[cedar locust]

Ah, I understand. I'll hunt those resource posts down and share them again as needed.

You can lead a horse to water, but it isn't your job to stick around and listen to it complain about being thirsty - so to speak

[native sail]

Precisly.

[faint cape]

Yeah, this is absolutely the most niche glyph. Honestly, I've barely used any of them because their usefulness comes by so rarely that I almost always forget to consider them, lol

and they are quite fiddly, gotta check affix rolls before even thinking about using them

[pastel pebble]

Yeah I'm almost never using those

But Choas'ing things is pretty regular if you don't wanna risk a Removal

[faint cape]

yup, I think it's expected to set your filter with chaoses in mind, I start the overwhelming majority of my crafts by chaosing

[pastel pebble]

It's just smart when gearing TBH. As you progress you can tighten ofc but I find it helps to be a lil flexible

[knotty tinsel]

glyph of order might be niche but I'm glad it exists

when you roll a max roll affix on t4 that you really want to be as high as possible...

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-okay-great-meme-just-perfect-gif-16605517

[outer jay]

do you lose anything if you die at a high level?

[sterile bane]

no

only what you are doing

there is no penalty for dying

[dense root]

only self esteem

[sterile bane]

that is true

[knotty tinsel]

look I managed to die on a build that reaches 100k ward today so never let yourself get discouraged by dying

[outer jay]

should I go for a squirrel build or a whirlwind build they both seem fun but I'd need the unique for the squirrels

[knotty tinsel]

play wolves until you have the hat I guess

[broken burrow]

squirrelis something to go for IF you get the hat imo

[sterile sandal]

is ironclad beetle bugged?

[stoic marsh]

Ok so here's a question. WHY would a character rubberband from teleport skill on a singelplayer character !?!? 🤔

[pastel pebble]

Are you playing online or offline?

[stoic marsh]

I have a friend who's going crazy from his necro rubberbanding and bugging out all his minions when using the necro teleport.

he's on his singelplayer toon..

[vale lake]

Online is a bit wonky, lots of optimization/better netcode incoming, as per Mike

[stoic marsh]

I'm like... why would a singelplayer toon rubberband on a teleportskill !?!.

[pastel pebble]

Are you playing online?

Not as in playing eith others but literally clicked Play Online and just playing your character solo

[stoic marsh]

@pastel pebble Not gonna poke him anymore about his for a while, he's getting extremely aggravated. BUT i'm pretty sure he has mistaken online /offline characters so he's playing an ONLINE char .. solo.

[native sail]

Movement skills are known to have some issues in online play

[stoic marsh]

ok it's solved. He was playing an online char ... solo - hence why he was able to rubberband.

[broken kernel]

Does Detonating arrow convert flat added damage to lightning (and then to other types if you convert it again?)

for example, mourningfrost cold added damage -> lightning -> fire with the dragon arrow node

[native sail]

No

Conversions can only happen once and DA no longer converts added damage anyway

[broken kernel]

yea I figured. It used to right?

[native sail]

Yeah. They removed that cuz it was OP as fuck

[broken kernel]

heehee

[broken burrow]

will salt the wound work with bow crit multiplier?

[native sail]

IIRC it only works with generic? But worth testing to make sure

[broken burrow]

that's rough because there's very little way to get generic onto this build

another question. the node that converts ALL poison to bleed in puncture, that's global for the char right?

it doesn't say for puncture

sanguine obsession

i'm crafting a wacky marksman build and could use some help from sommeone that knows the game better than me. Only playing since multiplayer was released. I'm in the theorycrafting VC if anyone cares to chime in

[native sail]

Yup. All sources = all sources. Item, skill tree, passive tree, even temp buffs.

[broken burrow]

as a follow up, only chance right, not other poison stats

[native sail]

Correct. just the chance

[faint cape]

Assuming this is the dodge -> armor node for swarmblade, as far as I know it works, but probably won't show in your character sheet

[faint cape]

No, only generic

[broken burrow]

ouch

this build sounds harder and harder to do

[faint cape]

It'll convert from any source, but it doesn't convert for other skills

[broken burrow]

so it wont convert the poison nodes in multishot?

just global chance

[faint cape]

no, the nodes in puncture only apply to puncture

unless specifically stated otherwise, of course

[native sail]

When it says all sources read it as "all sources that apply to this skill"

[broken burrow]

that's terrible wording on it then, it truly sounds like it's for your char in general

but i understand

thanks for clearing it up

[faint cape]

very fair take considering the wording, puncture's conversion nodes are probably super old and the language should be updated

anyone know off the top of their head if this has been posted in #tooltip-hunt already?
edit - I don't see it, so I'll post it

[grim yacht]

Hi, does "locust master" in the skill tree of the swarmblade is bugged ? I do have a cooldown now on armblades slash but my skill is not replace with summon locust

[livid gale]

Hello...do you guys know how to get on the leaderboard? I did a hardcore wave 155 and I am not on there

[surreal verge]

I feel like I've seen this complaint before and it seems like it's a bug

[haughty ravine]

am I supposed to be picking up items to salvage, sell or anything like that? I've just been leaving most items I don't need on the ground and wondering if I'm missing out

[surreal verge]

Items sell for shite, and you mostly just rune of shattering/rune of removal affixes that are rare, or are ones that you need.

[haughty ravine]

ah I haven't really gotten into the runes yet. I'll play around with it

[hardy spoke]

hi guys, I am looking for a build that is controller support friend and minimum clicks, if that exists 😅

question: when do you use the controller, can you also use the mouse and keyboard for inventory, skills, etc etc

[broken burrow]

@hardy spoke I don't use a controller but many builds fit that description

[hardy spoke]

I see. The main issue with controller is positioning skills, so it cannot be something that needs to put a minion at a certain exact spot for instance. Or cast a skill on a certain minion or buff a pet (in case those are not bind to cast directly on that minion/pet)

[broken burrow]

i assume casting a skill in a general area isn't a problem?

[hardy spoke]

I used to go RF in PoE, but after counteless hours I cannot handle anymore, so I want to try Last Epoch and have more fun

also it was way too many clicks, I was thinking a brainless minion build or something similar

[broken burrow]

again lots of builds fit your description

if you want i can show you several

@hardy spoke

[fresh aspen]

RF build in LE kinda have to click alot

with volatile reversal

and javelin flag pull

fun though

[broken burrow]

bladedancer just requires hitting "areas" but is action packed. Paladin pretty easy, spellblade i hold 2 buttons down with the build i use. totem builds can pretty much autocast themselves

[hardy spoke]

totem(s) could be fun, since it is my 1st time I think a nice levelling experience is a must, but totems are normally chill in any arpg

[broken burrow]

i'm down in VC and don't mind screen sharing some so you aren't wasting your time

[hardy spoke]

sadly in a meeting, but I want to check

[broken burrow]

i'm around pretty often

[cedar locust]

Hello! There are a lot of threads in the Forums that have tips for controller support, that you may find useful!

I also keep this reddit thread saved to help with Movement skills too in case it helps our controller players out - https://old.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/14j2whh/simple_movement_skill_fix/

Let me know if you have any questions and,

[buoyant trench]

@hardy spoke I play exclusively on controller:

my "spam" buttons are X /Square, and RT/R2,

Defensives are LT/L2

Teleport is always B/Circle

Builds I'd recommend are Fire Necro for 1-2 button use (Volatile Zombie and dread shade), Lighting Blast, Static Orb Sorc., any Warpath build for Sentinel.

No idea for Rogue, or for Primalist.

[limpid sequoia]

are you using a community layout or just last epochs default layout?

I find it pretty difficult to play with

[primal escarp]

are there any javelin builds for void knight?

[buoyant trench]

I use the default layout.

I didn't even know there was a community version

[limpid sequoia]

ah yeah its from the steams configs

[limpid sequoia]

Oh yeah that's an interesting thought
I could probably try for a spell, throw, melee void knight

since javelin also benefits from throwing damage if using a spear melee

[primal escarp]

I am thinking smite+javelin plus abyssal echoes or whatever goes with it and sigils

but I am not sure if javelin even has smite as auto skill

[limpid sequoia]

the idols though

chance to cast smite on throwing hit

[primal escarp]

aaah

that can work

then that also means we have to grind monoliths for those idols

[limpid sequoia]

yes. yes we do

[primal escarp]

aight, I am gonna try it out. Hopefully I can make it work

[broken burrow]

convert damage to voids

could be interesting

[pastel pebble]

I wouldn't bother using that in tandem with javelin as you're not hitting others often enough for it to be worthwhile. For VK Javelin Smite you can just use the autocast Smite on Javelin which is decent enough but it struggles with clears as you normally don't really scale off the lightning tree AFAIK

There is one of Dr3ads Holy Trail VK which uses your anomaly and volatile reversal to lower CD and keep mana up

I'm unsure if there are others

You could probably just run Hammer Throw Smite with the Javelins autocasting Smite down in the bottom right

Don'r worry about the trade off when you lose Smite's healing when you convert it to Void damage as you have leech to make up for it. If you end up running Anomaly you can have it sit on top of you and grant you extra leech but IDK if its only melee or not

[limpid sequoia]

I'll keep that in mind but I'm still gonna give it a try

[pastel pebble]

Go for it! If you got the gear for it it'll be easy to try out and change back

[primal escarp]

Yeap, if things go south, then we can shift to VK hammerdin

[acoustic thicket]

what happens to my bleed chance if i take both of these

[sterile bane]

you dont have any?

[acoustic thicket]

my B let me specify, im planning on grabbing both when i get enough XP but
i mean the "bleed chance from all sources" are present in both tooltips (warcry and werebear form)
i was wondering which one would take prio, or if i get both

[grim yacht]

Hi, I have an issue with my scorpion companion and I wanted to know if it is a knowed issue. I can only summon 1 scorpion even if my maximum compagnions are at 2. It is normal? I double checked my skills to be sure if I did not have something that limit my summoning, but I didnt.

[surreal verge]

By default you can only summon one of each companion.

So with the default two cap, you can summon a scorpion and a bear, but if you summon a raptor the scorpion dies

[grim yacht]

But I was able to summon 2 tempest crow or two wolves

Let me try again.. but it make sense!

[surreal verge]

Crows summon to their cap by default.

Wolves have a node that allow you to summon multiple of them.

You can test this by summoning other companions EG Bear or raptor

[grim yacht]

Oh, yes, you're right!! Glad that this is not a bug and just a misunderstanding ^^

[surreal verge]

In case you just want one companion, beastmaster has nodes that buffs them at the cost of capping the companion cap to 1-

[grim yacht]

Good idea! Didnt though of that! Right now, I'm testing a full insect build, but I need more survability. I'm testing with the spriggan 🙂

[sterile bane]

full insect? is there another insect besides bees?

[surreal verge]

swarmblade?

[grim yacht]

Locust and scorpion

And bees

Druid build in sawrmblade form

[sterile bane]

bees do make sense

[sinful laurel]

Now I want a saw blade form

[grim yacht]

I don't know if it will be strong, I don't care really much actually, as long as I feel like the god of insects lol. Baby scorpions, bees, scorpions and locust let you feel like you're a king/queen of insects at that you release a plague upon the world lol

[sterile bane]

i just wonder what other masteries they want to add

[faint cape]

Nothing special, they don't overlap on affected skills at all. One converts physical to lightning for maul and rampage, while the other converts physical to cold for warcry/roar.

[faint cape]

Scorpions are not insects btw, they are arachnids

[acoustic thicket]

oh

ty

[shrewd dune]

Two questions? Is there a certain player level that we start to stop getting points for passives? And is there a certain level for skills that we stop getting points for there skill tree?

[knotty tinsel]

nope, one for every level up to 100 which is the max.

skill trees get up to 20 points, and you only stop getting them up to a soft cap that scales with your current level, but goes away pretty fast.
*gear and stuff lets you have more than 20 skill points of course.

[shrewd dune]

All righty thanks for the answers helps alot 🙂

[knotty tinsel]

👍

Lastepochtools is a handy website that helps with [basically everything but also] this

since passive points and idol slots you get from quests can be a little... ambiguous

[balmy current]

There are certain thresholds for the skill points, later on (around skill lvl 16 odd) it starts to slow down.

[shrewd dune]

Slow down doesn't bother me all the much. Was mostly curious to know how many points I'm gonna have in each so I can better plan my build out for my character.

[balmy current]

20 + however many you can get from gear which is dependant on the skill. Every skill can get up to +2 but some can get more due to uniques.

[thin tinsel]

is it possible for a echo map to not have a single memory or chaos vessel o.o?

[sharp quartz]

Probably. Its all supposed to be RNG so I'd have to say its possible. Not sure tho - would also assume that you totally cleared every possible branch on a timeline to "check".

[thin tinsel]

im getting pretty close to that on my current map yea 😄

[sharp quartz]

I havent ever cleared an entire timelines echos but there are usually memory ones, chaos are rarer in my experience.

The person to ask is @olive tinsel - he has cleared more timelines to test his echo theories than anyone else I would guess.

or in the devs channel.

[somber briar]

so is lightning blast bugged? I had taken the node to convert it to cold and that was fine.. I respec it and remove that node completely and it's still tagged as cold...still looks to be doing cold dmg. I tried it even with my gear off...

[sharp quartz]

You sure you dont have the passive enabled?

there are multiple places to convert lightning blast to cold

[balmy current]

Yeah, there's a passive that converts it to cold as well

[somber briar]

it's annoying me enough that I completely took it out of it's specilization and it still reads as Cold dmg

just noticed that Volcanic orb is the same way... huh

[broken burrow]

passives?

[thin tinsel]

im 99% sure you are using this passive

[broken burrow]

right

[somber briar]

Found it and yeah. Completely forgot about that in the Base mage tree. Thank you all.

Time to remove that too.

[toxic anvil]

If a skill that applies an ailment has its damage increased through an item affix, will the ailment dmg be scaled? What about if it’s increased by another skill instead?

[faint cape]

if the damage increase is applicable to the ailment's damage, then yes it applies

for example, more fire damage will apply to ignites, but more melee damage will not (because ignites don't deal melee damage)

[toxic anvil]

What about more spell dmg?

Like if another spell increases the damage of the spell causing the ailment

[faint cape]

No, ailments don't deal spell damage, so that won't help them

it does depend a bit about the specific wording on the effect though - like if you have something like fireball deals more damage it'll apply to fireball's ignites because the actual effect being granted to fireball is more damage in that case

(and when there are no qualifiers, it applies to everything)

[toxic anvil]

So the ailment is doing the spell name damage but not spell dmg? 🤣

[grim yacht]

Still count as a being with an exoskeleton 🤷

[stoic marsh]

Anyone else noticed how having Health regen makes https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgTCwGxA bugged ?. It stops taking health to ward.

I'm using Shroud now on my necro, but as soon as i add a single item with health/second, the armor is bugged and stops turning health into ward.

instead of a constant loop of transfering health to ward, it simply stops working.

[broken burrow]

it's not lost health per second it's missing health per second

your item is balancing out the 13 and 20% so you are never at "missing health"?

unless what you're adding is so small it can't account for that

[surreal verge]

Well if you regen faster than 20% current hp lost....

(Do you know acolyte has a LOT of health regen?)

[broken burrow]

Which one should i seal into it for shadow daggers?

[knotty tinsel]

wouldn't you wanna save that for something that actually uses the elemental stats

that's a sick sword

[broken burrow]

yes it is

i want it for my shadow dagger build for sure because of the crit multiplier

[sharp quartz]

I'd keep that 4lp for a better exalted item. No idea what kind of build would be best, but obviously ele melee crit

[broken burrow]

both the exalts i have there are near perfection for my build

one gives health on hit and i hit a LOT, one increases all melee damages 88%

[knotty tinsel]

then why not just farm for a normal katana...?

[sharp quartz]

it needs flat crit

[knotty tinsel]

more melee damage, almost same crit multi

[broken burrow]

no shadow daggers always crit

[sharp quartz]

Not thinking of it for shadow daggers...

[balmy current]

Not for shadow daggers

[knotty tinsel]

if you use it for shadow dagger thats up to you, just seems like a shame

[sharp quartz]

see above

[broken burrow]

i guess so, wonder what i could build around it

[balmy current]

I know, but he wants to use it for shadow daggers

[knotty tinsel]

you're also losing melee phys damage for elemental damage that you're not scaling so its actually worse than a katana

[broken burrow]

its a near perfect sword

[balmy current]

🤷🏻‍♂️

[broken burrow]

i'm just an impatient person, patience is a virtue lost on me

[knotty tinsel]

play mario kart

XD

[broken burrow]

spellblade i guess

[knotty tinsel]

I would love that sword for a spellblade yah

save for 1.0 I pay good money

😛

[olive tinsel]

Yes it is definitely possible, but gets way more unlikely the higher corruption the timeline has.

What corruption is that timeline on?

[broken burrow]

would that be a good one to make a lightning spellblade around with it?

[thin tinsel]

I was at 400, didnt clear it completley in the inner circle but i think i cleared everything that was on the outer side, so there was no possibility for a Branch to go further out then i already was

[broken burrow]

this would be the other weapon i would use, or i could dupe that top one which is a katana

[sinful laurel]

Honestly, that's an amazing dagger. I would hate to smash it

[broken burrow]

no the top one is this, that's what i would dupe then LP

i

[sinful laurel]

Ah I see. Also really good but the dagger is critical for SB. We hurt for crit chance

[broken burrow]

i could LP the katana into the rainbow sword and use the dagger and sword

[olive tinsel]

That sounds really unfortunate. Some times RNG can be a b*tch

[broken burrow]

but i'm not a SB expert, i've only made one build for SB so far

[sinful laurel]

That's what I would do. You will still likely have to use prismatic but

At least you'll have a decent crit chance for all that multi

[broken burrow]

prismatic? wraps?

[sinful laurel]

Prismatic gaze

[broken burrow]

oh, i have never seen one

[sinful laurel]

Or get another rune dagger with melee crit affix

[broken burrow]

right

cause the katana by itself will have 107 multi

[sinful laurel]

Yup.

[broken burrow]

50 lightning and some bonus fire and cold

50 shock chance nearly, and with the katana and dagger a 260 stun chance

that sounds like packin some heat

[thin tinsel]

yeah i tought so but its no big deal, im just farming lagon at 400 for easy blessing rolls anyway 😄

[sinful laurel]

Sounds like a good setup for a melee surge build

[broken burrow]

i have a wacky surge build i built

firebrand into surge boosted by static 200

[sinful laurel]

I have one too. Yup that's one way

[broken burrow]

i'm open o ideas, i don't use guides but advice is welcome

[sinful laurel]

Mine is surge, LB, static, flame ward and EW. I do think the firebrand version is bigger damage but with mine I don't have to switch

It's just surge on a short cooldown and blow up packs

[broken burrow]

what's your surge tree look like?

[sinful laurel]

I'm at urgent care but I can share some details with you when I get home

[broken burrow]

hope everything is ok

[sinful laurel]

We will see

[knotty tinsel]

shatter strike calls out to me

sadly probably not even as good as t6 flat crit considering spellblade has some trouble crit capping ||when they fix the passive tree||

[sinful laurel]

You can still cap it with a rune dagger and a prismatic gaze. Sucks I know but

[knotty tinsel]

prismatic gaze and some puzzling with other slots will do the trick hopefully, swapping a sword for a dagger is -120 crit multi for shatter strike so wanna avoid that at all costs

t6 flat crit crystal sword as well

[sinful laurel]

Yeah I know. Tradeoffs 😦

Actually true. Don't mind me. That's better. I'm stuck in rune dagger land for SB spark charge

[knotty tinsel]

oof i dont envy ya, rune daggers never cooperate with me 😛

[broken burrow]

is there any way to get shatterstrike to lightning?

[knotty tinsel]

shatterstrike has no conversions sadly

[sinful laurel]

Not that I know of

[knotty tinsel]

but its more damage nodes are pretty meaty and it gets 120 crit multi per sword

and works with lost knowledge 😏

I wanna try out some light manastacking and see how it feels

minus the whole damage taken to mana part

[sinful laurel]

Why stack mana. It doesn't benefit afaik

[knotty tinsel]

lost knowledge = you get ward equal to max mana when you cast a skill that costs 40 or more

[sinful laurel]

Oh for that reason ok. I thought you were doing it for SS

[knotty tinsel]

oh I am, shatter strike can reach exactly 42 manacost

[sinful laurel]

Lol nvm. You're all good

[soft python]

Am I wrong in saying theres a fairly notable delay between moving and then stopping to attack for forged weapons? Does this happen with acolyte minions too?

[faint cape]

Haha, well no, but it is damage that is being dealt by fireball

[faint cape]

This is not something I've ever noticed. Things do have animation times, but FWs usually have high attack speed

[dim canopy]

Do the Lightning Blasts cast by the "Stormbringer" and "Electropulse" nodes in the Surge tree benefit from the 30% more lightning spell damage given by the "Ride the Lightning" node?

[plain creek]

Hi everyone! I just bought the game and I wanted to know how to add a friend. Does anyone know how to do that? Also I wanted to know if anyone had any experience (is it even possible?) sharing items between players. Thanks guys!

[balmy current]

No, probably not since skills proc'd by other skills don't inherit modifiers from the proccing skill unless explicitly stated (ie, Firebrand).

[balmy current]

Currently you can gift another player an item if they were in the zone when it dropped.

[balmy current]

You can either hit H (Social Tab) then "Add Friend" & type in their user name

Or if they say something in chat you can right click it & add friend (I think)

[plain creek]

Thank you very much! I had encounter a problem with the Osprix Warrior, it seams like the model get stock in the enviroment after you kill them

[ebon trellis]

Hey all! I backed this game all those years ago and then forgot about it 😅 I just want to confirm if keys have been sent out yet, and if we can change what key we get. Thank you for your help! ♥️

[dense root]

the game is only on steam now if i understand correctly

no idea what to do in your specific spot

contact support i guess

[sterile bane]

do items drop according to your level? if you play mono at lvl 30 will you get lvl 30 items?

[native sail]

Not really. Level requirements for items are based on the affix tiers and the base item. I believe it it prioritizes base first then affixes?

[sterile bane]

yea but if you play mono at lvl 50 youre not going to get a lvl 70 item, at least i havent

[native sail]

Correct but that's because you can't drop items with a base requirement or high enough affix tiers yet, sans maybe exalted.

Maybe if you're insanely lucky you could hit like a T18 item?

[sterile bane]

so if you are playing monos at low levels can you get low levels exalts?

[native sail]

I mean, kinda. But they'll still be minimum of 54 iirc

And that will go up with crafting so not really worth it

[sterile bane]

ok

[native sail]

Rarity influences the average affixes/affix tiers on the item so generally speaking you'll see better/higher if you push further.

[sterile bane]

ok i get it

[native sail]

I think you hit the highest base requirement at 75ish

[sterile bane]

i was trying to see if you can make low level items for new hcaracters

[livid bridge]

Throwing damage does affect Multishot damage, but -throwing attack mana cost from the same mod does not? know bug or what?

throwing attack speed doesn't affect it either, so seems just a broken wording, damn

[native sail]

Throwing damage does not or should not affect mutlishot, that's a bow skill

[livid bridge]

ok, damage was affected by movement speed from the ring i tested it with, thanks. Then it's all clear

[toxic anvil]

if a bow attack has its damage increassed by "increased bow attack damage" will the ailment it applies have increased dmg too?

[sinful laurel]

not from that affix no. damage while wielding a bow does though

[toxic anvil]

ahh ok

[sterile sandal]

What's the highest practical EHP atm?

[knotty tinsel]

∞

(considering how much control you have over how you deal damage and at what difficulty you play there isn't really a set answer, usually you'll be able to 'feel' if you're too low)

[faint cape]

No, items drop according to monster level. If you jump into monos severely underleveled, it's likely you won't be able to equip much of the stuff that drops (until you level up)

[sterile sandal]

I mean like if you prioritized it

Like I've seen some builds on lastepochtools that have 80-100K EHP

[knotty tinsel]

currently I'm getting about 110 thousand ward and I'm still dying so probably that.

[sterile sandal]

110k ward + what armor, dodge, etc (and wow i didn't think 110k was possible)

I assume sorcerer or spellblade?

[knotty tinsel]

110k ward and capped armor because I'm getting ward from my armor 😛

check out waltzingbear's post in #🎥┃video-shoutout

[sterile sandal]

Oh druid?

[knotty tinsel]

aye

[sterile sandal]

I've been studying druid (have 2), I didn't think that much ward was possible

How do you die with 110k ward and 80%+ armor?

(And I assume the other damage reductions)

That would be over 1 million EHP

[knotty tinsel]

you fight lagon at high corruption and give him a bunch of damage mods and then move along with the slow laser beam that's supposed to vaporize you instantly

I fcked around and found out 😛

[sterile sandal]

Other than being dumb lol

Like is 3k corruption possible? 4k?

[knotty tinsel]

other than that not really no, but its heavily rotation based and that rotation features not much damage

[knotty tinsel]

that is out of my purview and I will not be trying it, but feel free to

not like druid doesnt have other options

[sterile sandal]

I probably don't have all the gear for it yet

I've theorized a couple ways to hit 1 million EHP but I'm sure that your build is better since my 2 ways don't use spriggan form

But I think I know (without watching the video) how you're doing it, a way I didn't consider but should have

Nope, I wouldn't have guessed werebear

[knotty tinsel]

not my build I'm just parroting it cuz funnies, but yeah basically

what's not in the video but what I did look at was swarmblade converting dodge to armor and getting a million armor with serpent strike, but sadly that armor doesnt apply to the bonus on spriggan transform.

[sterile sandal]

It doesn't? That was my thought when you said ward from armor

[knotty tinsel]

nope, we're hard casting thornshield on ourself, then extending its duration by going into werebear, and stack enough CDR to go back into spriggan with those thornshields before they expire.

[desert tree]

Does the conversion not happens only on the flat dodge?

[sterile sandal]

My theory was using twisted heart on human druid, spam maelstrom (for the dodge, and get ward that way), and pump health/armor as high as possible

[knotty tinsel]

I didn't really check why it doesnt work, just hit a dummy to no effect.

Must be an order of operations thing

[desert tree]

I think I read that here

Doesn't mean it's true

[sterile sandal]

My way wouldn't give 150k (or even 100k) ward, but would give a very high EHP

[knotty tinsel]

for what its worth the flat dodge alone shouldve been noticable on transform and it didnt change the armor I gained

because I have 650 cold res

XD

[sterile sandal]

Wow

650 is possible?

[knotty tinsel]

easily

can do more but not worth the squeeze

[sterile sandal]

I just got frostbite shackles a few days ago

So good to know that's possible

That will raise my numbers quite a bit, I figured at like half that cold res (I've been doing the figuring at work so not actually mapped anything out)

650 cold res would probably get 83-84% dodge from serpent strike?

[sterile sandal]

Maybe can't be converted twice?

[knotty tinsel]

not sure that's what's going on but again, i was lazy didnt test it extensively/

[sterile sandal]

I'll test it when I get time, I still have my druid with both forms

But wasn't for that purpose

[balmy current]

Conversions in LE only ever happen once. So you can't convert X to Y to Z.

[sterile sandal]

So I was correct. So Ironclad Beetle and the Spriggan armor to ward won't work together since both are conversions

[safe harness]

You talking about this?

This isn’t a conversion

The reason they don’t work is ironclad beetle only works while in bug form

[sterile sandal]

Well technically no, but apparently ironclad beetle won't work with it? I'm not home to confirm it

Oh so it checks after leaving bug form?

[safe harness]

The conversion of dodge to armor only happens while in big form. If you change to spriggan then you lose the armor and won’t gain dodge as ward

[sterile sandal]

Makes sense

The 2 ways im going to try to push EHP don't use spriggan form anyway

Even though that node is really good

[leaden yarrow]

hello everyone did they fix mulitplayer end game mapping? havent played since multiplayer release. had to do the map quests seperately for everyone.

[faint cape]

We've never had to do anything separately, so I'm not sure what was causing your issue. I'd check the forums bug reports to see if there was some cause for it and a fix or something

[toxic anvil]

how does soul gambler work?

[broken burrow]

you gather souls in the dungeon killing stuff and use them to buy stuff at the gambler

@toxic anvil

[toxic anvil]

can u trade item types for item types?

[broken burrow]

trade?

[toxic anvil]

like gamble sorry

can u influence the outcome?

[broken burrow]

YES

oops caps

you can gamble for a ring or a 1h sword etc

[toxic anvil]

ahhh ok 🙂

[knotty tinsel]

is Apogee's active frozen vengeance effect a buff that gets applied to minions on proc (i.e. only existing minions benefit), or a buff that globally applies to all of your minions (i.e. you summon a minion after a melee attack and it still benefits)?

[buoyant trench]

I get all my passives and idols ||before meeting Heorot for the blessing ||, is this the quickest route, or is there a faster way?

[knotty tinsel]

that's how I do it too, so not that I know of

[desert tree]

Same here

Maybe check terek on yt, he is speed running the campaign

He might have a different route

[night narwhal]

How does multi work, can we see random people in game or its just for making lobbies?

Im confused, since you need acc and network to play it feels like game is made to be like PoE or something along the lines

[surreal verge]

Latter. They had a town system but it broke and it's being fixed for next major patch (probably 0.92)

So for now it's a invite only.

[night narwhal]

Thanks c:

[outer jay]

why does this increase the damage of my skills? I'm confused

[native sail]

Ignite chance is calculated in tooltip (ailments are a little overvalued for tooltip still)

[outer jay]

so would spell damage just straight up be better than?

[dense root]

in terms of damage probably

you won't get leech on your other relic though probably so depends on what you need more

[outer jay]

for the closed circuits in lightning blast is it a base 40% crit?

crit confuses me way too much

[urban horizon]

It is not base 40% its 40% increase so if you have 5 base crit and no other increases then your total crit is 7% also closed circuit stacks (tooltip doesn't mention that)

[outer jay]

ah ok I knew it was too good to be true

[cedar locust]

Hi there, were you able to contact Support for your Key?

[zealous orchid]

Does LE have items that can change your entire build or how u play??

Like this

This one item makes u want to put together a build that gives u the Arc Conducter buff which u can do lol.

[surreal verge]

Does this count?

There's uniques that change how a skill works-ish

Like a totally different element etc

Check uniques and sets

[fresh aspen]

Vilatrias set I like

[faint cape]

Yeah, there are lots of build-enabling and build defining uniques, and they add new uniques each major patch

[zealous orchid]

Hmm it's interesting but seems meh tbh

[zealous orchid]

Now this sounds cool tho

[toxic anvil]

What’s the delay before the passive on gamblers fallacy resets?

[surreal verge]

6 seconds I think?

[cedar locust]

5 seconds according to this comment - #❔┃ask-the-community message

Though I can't find a Dev answer yet 🤔 also not sure if that 'bug' is still a thing

[surreal verge]

Yeah there's a handful, just look in LE tools

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/

[carmine coyote]

"Recently" refers to 4 seconds, or at least the game guide suggests that

Given the Gambler's Fallacy has it at the end of the prefix

[mossy gazelle]

hello how to start these quests? i remember being able to click on them but cant do that now

[dense root]

you click on them still

they’re on the left

[mossy gazelle]

thanks!

[tough parcel]

Is there a way to see the stats of your summoned creature?

[cedar locust]

I think there is an area on the Character Sheet (C) that shows minion stats 🤔

[fresh aspen]

btw minion stats are generally not accurate

[sterile bane]

is there a moneynull in here?

[cedar locust]

A moneynull?

[sterile bane]

thats the name of the persomn

they have a youtube channel

[cedar locust]

If they are, they aren't using that name. Could be a variant of, though you can always ask if they are part of the Disocrd in a yt comment 🙂

[mild pasture]

Hey sorry if this is a repeated or dumb question at this point.

Recently came back after about 8 months was curious if our online characters will get deleted when 1.0 (live release) comes out?

[raw fern]

Hello, they will remain in the Standard/Eternal world

[mild pasture]

Awesome news! Thanks for the reply

[deft shadow]

Is there an easy way to set an ability to auto cast?

[knotty tinsel]

not easily or seemingly intended

but if you look up numlock trick you should find some stuff

preeeetty sure that's not getting removed, but not 100%

[icy drift]

yeah they've said they don't plan on removing numlock trick but also don't yet have plans of implementing it into the game either, but that they're not totally against it

[native sail]

They can't remove it, it's an OS level issue not a game issue

[knotty tinsel]

mhm it's closer to putting a brick on a footpad than something actually internal

[icy drift]

i don't exactly know how the numpad trick registers but if it's just a press without a release it could very easily be circumvented by having a skills only get used after a release is gotten after the previous use, you could also make skills get used on release but that's bad. But yeah no matter if there is an easy way to "fix" it or not there's no real point in doing so since it's extra code for basically 0 gain and they've said that they don't plan on doing so either.

[wicked smelt]

Any tips for a good guide that explains damage and how stuff scales? that is up to date and easy too understand? 😄

[icy drift]

Think This one by ZiggyD seems to explain most things quite aptly. He does start off with explaining the passives and skill tree systems before diving into the damage scalings and stuff, but there's chapters that indicate all the portions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OvGQfJFVXo

[wicked smelt]

Thank you 😄

[deft shadow]

Thank you

[fading jay]

what would you reccomend as your fastest empowered c100 build

[faint cape]

Even with locust swarm's cold conversion not working right, a shattered lance locust swarm build will still crush 100c super fast

[haughty ravine]

does someone know what the judgement skill's base armor shred chance is? I put points into an augment that gives +150% armor shred chance to it but idk what the base chance is

[broken burrow]

it's your base from all sources not assoociated with the tree i believe

[faint cape]

Base is always 0% unless the skill says so, but +X% means it adds a chance, not increases an existing one

[broken burrow]

oh yeah, FT is always right

😉

[haughty ravine]

so it has 150% chance to shred armor per second?

i should just remove a pt then

[faint cape]

No, not per second, just when you hit with the slam

[broken burrow]

150% means that it shred that much armor, 150 points correct FT?

[haughty ravine]

here's the one i levelled

[broken burrow]

and alt will give more AS info

[faint cape]

150% means 1 stack of armor shred with a 50% chance to apply a second

[broken burrow]

i see

[haughty ravine]

oh cool

ty

[ebon trellis]

Hello! I had not yet. I didn't know what the process was or where to even contact support 😁

[desert tree]

!support

[ripe brook]

Need a hand? Just head on down to https://support.lastepoch.com/ for support articles or to reach out to us directly.

[surreal verge]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/increased_added_more

There's a usable in-game game guide too.

[cedar locust]

Yep, like Vlad shared, contact Support with a new ticket with your Kickstarter receipt as Proof of Purchase and the team should be able to help!

[languid fog]

Heyo peeps, just unlocked crafting, is it ok to experiment a bit with my gear right now, or should I save them until later on

[vale lake]

Go ham

It's thought like that, experiment, try, get better gear, you'll get plenty shards

[languid fog]

Aight thank you

[hot carbon]

You’ll get more shards than you could possibly use, go nuts. Just keep in mind that health affixes are a lot more valuable to use than resistance affixes are, just because a higher health pool compounds with the ease of access that most other sources of res are far better than wasting a slot on a res.

• Deias (Dream’s phone is mine now )
  (I need to clarify Deias did not steal my phone)

[native sail]

I did to type that message tbf.

[hot carbon]

So what’s the best way to get 300% lightning res

[native sail]

Slam T7 lightning on Urzil's Pride and also ele res

And then get a shield with T7 all res

[hot carbon]

[knotty tinsel]

So shield rush has a bunch of nodes that say "final hit damage", but that applies to ailments too right, it's not actually only the hit?

[native sail]

I believe it applied to ailments, yeah

[knotty tinsel]

mhm mhm

[native sail]

It's just weird phrasing iirc

[desert tree]

It's final hit deal more dmg and not final hit deal more hit dmg

Or final hit hits deal more dmg

I guess they could change final hit for final attack, that would be clearer

[urban summit]

does this talent only work for reap?

or do you get increased health leech in general

[surreal verge]

The leech is in general

The on hit is reap

[urban summit]

right

is the leech additive?

because if it's multiplicative of my current leech it's really not a great node, if it's additive it's insane

[rugged violet]

If I’m farming for ingvar’s head for my sorcerer, is it better to try and push to empowered monos ( stolen lance I think ) or try in normal? ( I have a thorn totem Druid that I’m working though normal monos now, he has the final 3 left till empowered)

[surreal verge]

It's right there, "Increased"

[surreal verge]

Always farm in empowered.

[knotty tinsel]

I think I see the misunderstanding. This is an increase to existing leech you have, it doesn't add 40% of damage as leech.

Not that you can't reach those numbers by combining base leech + increased leech though

[broken burrow]

Farming monos target farming is the best bet

if you need help let me know i'm on in the evening and can help target farm. look for me in VC

[jolly pulsar]

for elemental nova increases to elemental damage doesn't double dip right? like it only scales off of one element each cast? and not like 40% elemental damage would increase each cast by 120%? just wondering because the spell does have all three tags once you spec into the elements

[surreal verge]

Yes. It doesn't double dip, but it WILL buff all 3 types of nova

[jolly pulsar]

aight, thanks for clarification :)

[dusky harness]

is maxroll a good source for build guides?

[cedar locust]

MaxRoll has some good guides though they sometimes rely on endgame gear.

You can also use LETools for build guides though - https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/

[dusky harness]

ah thanks, was lookin for a good lich build since im starting to get into the end game

[cedar locust]

No worries! It's worth popping into #💀┃acolyte for some advice too 🙂

[dusky harness]

will do

[novel locust]

Last time I played which was about 2 months ago there was a lot of server connectivity issues when playing with a party. We would frequently disconnect, rubber band, start a key dungeon and then completely disconnect and lose the key. Are those issues resolved with the newer updates? We are getting tired of D4 cooking and wanting to start cooking back in Last Epoch again.

[sinful laurel]

I know that single player online is loads better now than on MP release. I think multiplayer coop is better too but I have no firsthand knowledge of that

[cedar locust]

There have been some big improvements, but that doesn't mean perfect yet. Judd recently posted a long explanation for the current Network/Server issues, how the team are fixing them and where they are at with those fixes - https://old.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/15epvk7/why_is_every_networking_actions_taking_so_long/

[outer jay]

for glacier with fading echos does it go biggest explosions medium explosion than smallest?

just wanna make sure so I dont have to relevel it if i screw up putting points into the wrong things

[trail violet]

Have 2 questions
1- is bowmage still playable or dead?
2- i wanted to fresh start and go offline mode + character found the question is will all loots i looted with this character cant useable on any other characters?

[jolly pulsar]

offline and online are separate

[knotty tinsel]

1- still good
2- what person above said

[faint cape]

Yes

[sterile bane]

What’s bowmage? And is denotating arrow better??

[desert tree]

You use reign of winter bow, it trigger a cold spell icicle on hit

[trail violet]

mb I didn't fully explain the question. i played last epoch before offline+online i started with friend recently(we both playing in offline) and i want to select character found option because i have sooo much items from past characters and dont want to use them so i selected that option but its stuck on my mind can i migrate my character from offline cf to offline because its really bad that i can only use whatever i looted just with that character

[surreal verge]

Er, offline chars share stashes with other offlines chars.

[jolly pulsar]

yeah they do

[sterile bane]

i started playing that and i liked it i just didnt know how to spec it

[desert tree]

I think the 2 more popular ways are

• bleed, you use icicles to procc a ton of bleed
• hit based, trying to go full crit
  Maxroll got a guide for the hit crit one iirc

[trail violet]

i know but character found blocks this i have zero items and stash tabs in my currenct character

[surreal verge]

Yeah, it does as usual

Online and offline.

That's the point of char found.

[languid fog]

heyo peeps, got this item, says weaver will, what does that imply

[fresh aspen]

If you equip it and kill monsters, it gain 1 random affix

[languid fog]

Oo

so 8 means it can get 8 affixes?

[fresh aspen]

Ermm 8 tiers of affixes

Like t5 health with t3 mana etc

Or t2t2t2t2

[icy drift]

up to 4 affixes that can roll up to tier 7, so like the previous message said it'll cover quite a few combinations, but the max of 28 weavers will will guarantee 4 tier 7 affixes, and anything below that will be a combination

[languid fog]

I see

Thank you

[fresh aspen]

I'm gonna be livid If 28ww drops for me and it rolled something useless like resistance and health regen

[dusky harness]

how much power comes from passive/skill trees in the early levels compared to gear? i leveled with a friend and i cleared stuff way faster than he could

[fresh aspen]

Gear doesn't do much early on, it all depends on class and trees

[toxic saffron]

If you have a LP weapon you can just auto attack and os everything

[languid fog]

wut does green mean?

part of a set?

[icy drift]

set item yeah

[fresh aspen]

Obviously if an op item dropped early it helps

[icy drift]

you can see the set bonuses are greyed out

[dusky harness]

LP?

[icy drift]

legendary potential

[dusky harness]

i need to learn what that is, i saw it on a helmet i had

[icy drift]

you can get it on normal unique items, it let's you transfer affixes from an exalted item over to the unique item, destroying the exalted item in the process. 1 LP = 1 affix, you can get up to 4 lp for 4 affixes, transfering all the affixes of the exalted item ( not implicits) to the unique

[dusky harness]

and exalted are the purple ones right

[icy drift]

yessir

[fresh aspen]

LP is op

[icy drift]

you create a legendary item by going to the temporal sanctum and doing a tier high enough to support the unique items level requirement, after killing the boss you can put in your unique and exalted

the affixes it selects are random, unless it has 4 lp of course and in that case it just takes them all

[dusky harness]

right, good thing i was saving those purple items. i wasnt sure what to do with them

[icy drift]

yup, it's usually not something you gotta worry about too much early on, but if you have a good unique with lp and an exalted item with good affixes that you'd want on your unique it's pretty much free power to make the unique into a legendary

[dusky harness]

good to know

[fresh aspen]

Stash space is easy to get anyway

[dusky harness]

true

oh by the way, if i wanted to get a fulgurite shard do i need to use an ascending rune on obsidian daggers specifically? or does any dagger work

[dense root]

any dagger

[dusky harness]

got it

my friend was losing it bc he thought he needed an obsidian dagger and couldnt find one

[faint cape]

You can migrate your character and whatever is in its inventory from scf to regular. Everything in the stash (such as gold and crafting mats) will be lost.

[trail violet]

oh tysm man thats the answer i looking for

[faint cape]

np - I think the way you do it is from the character, open the options menu and in the challenges tab should be a button to migrate (been a long time since I've done this, so my memory is pretty fuzzy)

[warm onyx]

others have answered. To add on: just farm with the item equipped and you'll see new affixes added or added affixes upgraded
each stack is an instance of one of the following:
Add new affix
upgrade existing new affix (Weaver's Will does not affect any unique-specific stat)

I'd even recommend just farming out all the weaver's will items you have to see what you can use it for - even if you'd only throw the final result onto a new character temporarily, it helps a ton

[outer jay]

with fading echos with glacier the middle should still do boosted damage if ive the points in them right?

cause I saw it do 179 damage when I normally do like 1000+

[dusky harness]

how does gifting uniques work?

i wasnt able to gift a friend one unique but was able to gift him one i got later

[native sail]

Were you both in the same party and in the same zone when it dropped?

[desert tree]

@ruby prairie
Hey I don't want to flood #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs so I will bring the discussion here.

This is very good in the druid tree even if you play a shaman totem

[ruby prairie]

combat prowess of my totems

[desert tree]

?

[ruby prairie]

damage

dps

I know the survival node is there

maybe me saying prowess threw you off

[pastel pebble]

Doesn't Beastmaster have the Aspect of Damage Reductiob nodes in it?

[ruby prairie]

I said combat prowess in reference to damage boosts

[desert tree]

I feel like me being alive improve the combat prowess of my totems by making me able to summon them.
And why do you focus on the first 3 nodes?

[pastel pebble]

IK but its very hard to ignore the fact that LE values defenses pretty heavily

There's a reason you take Anvil Stance on Void Knight

[ruby prairie]

because more often than not you don't go past the first node when you go into a second mastery least when I build and I don't have a survival issues

neither does my totems

[pastel pebble]

How far do you play to?

[desert tree]

Just so we are clear @ruby prairie I am not trying to say you are wrong or anything. I just like a good debate.

[ruby prairie]

and again I am asking about and talking about options for dps

and I am not going to debate you just because you like to debate

[pastel pebble]

I find myself rarely ever dipping into other trees just for the first nodes

Too bad, Blue

You are now obligated by contract

The authorities are outsidr

You must debate

[ruby prairie]

my shaman is 80?

[desert tree]

... Alright then keep your secrets

[pastel pebble]

Vlad is oncr again denied arcane secrets of building

[ruby prairie]

some people build tanky some people build glass cannons some people build in the middle

[pastel pebble]

I assume you are still early on in corruption?

[ruby prairie]

middl-ish

[pastel pebble]

What is that then?

[pastel pebble]

Early to me is 100-200c

[ruby prairie]

well let us see early or late

I am neither

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[pastel pebble]

You'd be a killer debate bro, Blue

Born to debate, forced to converse like a normal person

[pastel pebble]

I feel like I'd be a good debate bro

Not cause I am right but because I am mildly handsome and mildly funny

[faint cape]

Eh, anyway, is there some real reason you want to dip into other masteries just for 4% damage per point in the first column?

[pastel pebble]

Yeah like VK dips into FG on an Anvil Rive build for its damage reduction and ignite nonsense

[desert tree]

4%inc dmg?

[pastel pebble]

I wish it was that much

[pastel pebble]

Its just penetration

Potential Penetration

[faint cape]

I might not have been clear in my question. I'm confused why getting a measly % inc damage node from only the first column is worth anything

[desert tree]

Pen is more dmg that's better

[faint cape]

usually the later nodes are more mechanically interesting and provide higher numbers

[pastel pebble]

Actual > potential, Pvt. Nerd!

You're assuming I'm not getting one shot like a dumbass

[pastel pebble]

Owobyss petting my skull like putty

[desert tree]

I need torgor to teach me

[pastel pebble]

How to cook?

[desert tree]

How to make awesome gif

[pastel pebble]

Oh that too

[dusky harness]

is marrow shards a good spell?

it feels a bit jank

[languid fog]

gotcha, ty

[surreal verge]

It is. Health to cast and it's projectiles are sometimes hard to see

But it can cause funny jank, like having affixes that allows it to be casted on transplant

[toxic saffron]

I have an awful bug, every time I go to floor 2 of lightless arbor I die, no enemy around me, no dot nothing, is this a known bug?

[surreal verge]

Don't think so.

You gotta report it.

(Side note:Do you have health drain stuff?)

[toxic saffron]

No nothing, doesn’t happen 100%, more like 50%, can stand 2 min in front of the door then load screen and I am on the other side alive but with the death screen

[surreal verge]

Then I got no idea,

!bug

[ripe brook]

Please post bug reports on our forum: https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports. Thanks!

[desert tree]

Yeah I've seen it reported a few times on the forum

Never seen a fix sadly

[toxic saffron]

Never had that with my lich, only with the sorcerer

Well now I just had it with the lich

[desert tree]

Verifying your files never hurt

[clever oak]

while hovering over the endurance % on hp while channeling warpath and when not doesnt seem to have a difference it stays on 30% always

[surreal verge]

It's not reflected in the stat screen, known visual problem

[dapper estuary]

hi, does someone know how this node works with %increased armor/dodge?
does the converted armor get scaled by both? or if only by one, then by which one?
its not easy to test, as the conversion is not shown in the character sheet

[surreal verge]

Most likely the dodge rating will scale by itself then converted to armor with no further armor scaling

Otherwise you'll have an infinite loop/.

[dapper estuary]

its not necessarily an infinte loop, as long as it only gets scaled once

but i do agree that what you said is most likely, but it would be nice to be certain

[sharp quartz]

Odd that this isnt reflected in the character sheet - the other similar conversions caused by uniques, passives for various classes does reflect and can be viewed. Cannot recall if the devs mentioned something about this or if its been posted in the bug forum.

[dapper estuary]

yeah its odd, but it does work, i could test that (kinda) cause idont dodge anymore

but testing exactly how much armour i have is much harder

[sharp quartz]

The character sheet is slated for an overhaul, its just on the backburner for now cause most of the other MP bugs are far more important. probably nothing more than that. the character sheet has always been a little wonky. You could use Tunks website to try and estimate it by manually plugging in numbers:

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ehp

He also has Armour and Dodge charts to check the scales.

[dapper estuary]

what i can tell is that as long as i dont get one-shot, having both armour and dodge is better, which is no surprise. but i cant see how it helps me to find out how the node interacts with %increases

[jolly pulsar]

when it just says leeched and not as health or as mana, does it mean both then?

like lavamancer says fire damage leech

[dapper estuary]

no, there is no mana leech in the game

[jolly pulsar]

oh okay so it's all life leech then

[dapper estuary]

yes

some skills give you mana on hit with them or something like that, but no leech

[slate tundra]

Hello, quick question from a kinda newish player. I am doing monoliths in the end of time and from blood frost and death i created paths to the fall of empire and ending the storm - but both waypoints are locked. Any advice how to unlock them?

[dapper estuary]

click on the bridges that lead to them

so go to blood frost and death, go right and click on the bridge

[slate tundra]

😅 forgot about walking when porting all the time lately in the end of time.

ty @dapper estuary 🙂

[dapper estuary]

np, have fun

[naive nimbus]

hey, dun wanna bug the devs if it's a known issue. Are we aware that Battle Cry cancels out Hammer Throw(Vortex)? >_>

I'll do a forum report, heh, thank you @cedar locust

[cedar locust]

It's always worth confirming if something is Bug vs WAD and this channel and #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs are great for that!

[broken burrow]

If I speck into giant shot with multi arrow and have flurry proking the multi arrow I shouldn't have any multi arrow cost but I would still be able to get up in people's faces and rework the bowmage build into flurry multi-shot is that correct?

Sorry for the horrible grammar I'm using speech to text right now

My question is not whether it would work I mean theoretically it should, but is it viable?

[sinful laurel]

Flurry procced multishot works well, and yes if you take giant slayer you want to be all up in the monsters faces or it's not worth. With the stun chance you can make it work but at higher corr it will start to become dangerous

You will still have multishot cost fyi, but channeled flurry lets you channel for quite a while. Even with multishots cost added in

[faint cape]

Kzb is right, the conversion step happens after all scaling takes place.

[steep hound]

what would be a "mapping " build that does not require some prefarmed stuff ?

[sinful laurel]

Shadow daggers bladedancer

Can map empowered monos in yellows honestly

[steep hound]

are ther any written guides ?

maxroll or something

[jolly pulsar]

what's the purpose of glyph of order? if i'm upgrading don't i want the range to increase the roll?

[knotty tinsel]

if you get a tier 4 affix that's max rolled within its tier, and upgrade to tier 5 it'll be a max rolled tier 5

just as an example