❔┃ask-the-community

[vapid aspen]

Like the base of all mobs

is it actually 5% across the board?

[brittle atlas]

my understanding is that everything in the game is 5 base crit, but possibly something to have the devs confirm

[vapid aspen]

Ele nova isnt

lightning nova has a different base crit value

its just the more mult being baked into the base crit

[brittle atlas]

I mean, ele nova itself is 5% base crit

a node changes that

[vapid aspen]

lightning nova itself, the subskill, has 6% iirc

[brittle atlas]

yes, because it has 20% more crit chance

though I'm curious if that is actual +1 base crit

or a hidden 20% more modifier

that is being pulled as base crit

how does it interact with added flat crit

I guess

[balmy current]

Get some flat crit & see how it works

[brittle atlas]

@urban horizon you might know?

[vapid aspen]

also like, static has 100% base crit multi unlike every other skill having 200%

and that has been a thing since forever

[brittle atlas]

static crit multi being 100% is kinda wild tbh

[vapid aspen]

its hard for me to rule out some random mob having a typo base crit

random aside, I've started to realise dodge is actually just not worth it for me

health gained on glancing blow affix with apostacy feels so much better

[brittle atlas]

health gained on glancing is great

tho I think philosophically I still prefer high uncapped glancing/high dodge to pure capped glancing atm

like I generally fluctuate around 65-100 glancing depending on dusk shrouds and ~58% dodge

[vapid aspen]

theres some good stuff you can pull with it

if you do endurance threshold stacking + other mitigation layers its super easy to sustain full hp for the no leech no regen amulet

[urban horizon]

Base is 5% for monsters unless they have a mod that gives them crit.

And nova crit is just a regular more multiplier so if you have 14% crit it turns into 16.8% or say you have 40 crit it just turns into 48

[vapid aspen]

so this 6% is a bug with the planner? https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/lightning_nova

[urban horizon]

Not really? It just takes 5% base + 20% more and adds them together to show 6 so people don't have to figure it out on their own.

[vapid aspen]

I guess it's weird because the fire one doesn't have the added effectiveness factored in

[queen plinth]

Have a silly question: I have left click bound to attack. When interacting with NPCs, when I click on conversation options I am swinging my weapon at them like an idiot when I really want to just click the convo option... is there a way around this?

[knotty tinsel]

I'll +1 on this for skills not activating during npc conversation lol, I used to have volatile reversal on RMB for a while and it'd pull me out of the menu when vendoring items it was unbearable

[lime cargo]

do the 1x1 idols only drop from those pylon things in a map? I never see them drop from the echo rewards chests.

[bronze ocean]

No, there are raw values in there. So it's actually 6% base.

You can actually just go to Skills section in LE Tools, and type "Critical chance: X" into search field to see that there's a number of skills with base crit chance that differs from 5%, e.g. Shadow Cascade and Shadow Daggers even have 10%

[knotty tinsel]

does Craterborn convert with Meteor on the set staff?

vilatrias downfall

[vapid aspen]

no

still inc fire, still fireball

[knotty tinsel]

makes sense

[vital stratus]

Hi! I am currently setting up my web to farm a specific unique, but i never encountered a Vessel of Memory to do the unique item echoes again. Is it better to keep scouting the web to find one or resetting the web and start new?

[cinder fossil]

if you're spending a lot of time looking for one its probably better to just reset

theyre fairly rare unless you have a lot of corruption

higher corruption would spawn more unique nodes anyway so its still a better idea to keep raising it

[vital stratus]

Ty!

[wintry junco]

Can Fractured mods get tranferred to LP?

[vapid aspen]

items with sealed mods cannot be used at all with legendaries

[carmine wind]

Does anyone know if Smite->Void conversion also affects the Lightning Bolt? Or do they still scale with lightning damage?

[native sail]

The conversion says Smite base damage so I don't believe it affects any of the other damage "sources" on Smite's tree, like lightning bolts or fissures.

[carmine wind]

Yes but the Fissures are actually converted (Visually at least) and that led me to think all abilities are converted but not sure. Maybe I should ask the devs.

[native sail]

There's no indication that fissures should be converted, it isn't base damage and it isn't linked to the conversion node by any manner.

[hexed swan]

Hi, could someone please help me with a very simple calculation? The tooltip doesn't match my calculation, and I am very confused.

[carmine wind]

If you have any DoT damage, the tooltip currently overvalues them by a ton. That might be the case.

[native sail]

The tooltip also doesn't factor the majority of the conditional effects properly either

Basically, don't bother using tooltip

[hexed swan]

Well, I have a level-4 character which I made just for this purpose. Fury Leap's base damage is 2. I equip a weapon with +18 melee physical dmg. Effectiveness is 250%. I have 2 strength.
(2 + (18x2.5)) x 1.08 = 50.76
The tooltip shows 58. Am I missing something?

[sharp quartz]

test it on enemy dummies to get a rough idea of the real damage. The dummies in Champions Gate are the most useful.

[sharp quartz]

Tooltip dps is notoriously problematic right now. The devs have confirmed this. Its because of all the local vs global modifiers and conditional/situational factors that it sometimes does or doesnt include. Its on the devs to-do list and they had started fixing it but then decided to put it on hold while they focussed on MP.

[hexed swan]

Hmm... The thing is my character is naked. 😄 No passives, no specializations, nothing. Just 2 strength, one skill, one weapon. I figured it couldn't be simpler than that. 😄

Also, it is not a dps tooltip. It only shows "58 damage".

[sharp quartz]

The tooltips are wonky. there is nothing else to say really... Go hit the dummy and see if its closer to your calculations before making any assumptions.

[hexed swan]

Thank you! I will find a dummy, do some testing, and come back here.

[sharp quartz]

Otherwise, people like @vapid aspen or @minor kindle or @balmy current can help you with the calcs.

[hexed swan]

Calculation says ~51. Tooltip says 58. I hit the dummy for 60. 😄 😄 😄

And then 45, 44, 57, 53, 55, 58, ... Why are these numbers so different?

[sharp quartz]

There is a +20% (iirc) variance up or down on damage calcs.

[desert tree]

Did not know that

[hexed swan]

So my damage range should be 58x0.8 -- 58x1.2

[sharp quartz]

Its been in the game for ages, just cannot recall the exact percentage. I seem to remember it being between 10-20%.

[hexed swan]

Actually, maybe the value you get from the calculation (50.76) is the middle value. And then it goes 10-20% (as far as vapour knows) up and down, right?

[sharp quartz]

Just found a reference in the Community Game Guide -

All non-DoT damage has a +/- 20% variance applied after it’s been calculated, so a 100 damage hit will do anywhere from 80-120 damage.

[hexed swan]

By the way, I am by no means trying to be obnoxious. The game is stunning. It is amazing, and I have been loving it. So much so that I have just jumped in and started discovering everything myself. But I have a level-80 marksman, and it is getting pretty difficult to figure out what gear (stats) are better for me (i.e. yield more damage). So I want to understand it as much as possible.

[vapid aspen]

yep 20% is range

[sharp quartz]

No problem. you are not being obnoxious that I can tell. You are just trying to learn and ask questions.

Part of the trick of end-game builds is learning whats important or not and thats exactly where you are right now.

[hexed swan]

40.6-60.9

So this should be the range of my damage after all the calculations. Conclusion is tooltips suck. 😄 Let me go hit the dummy a few times and see if it stays within that range.

Just hit 41 damage followed by 61. 😄 The game is testing me. 😄 😄

[sharp quartz]

If you havent discovered the fan sites, https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/ and https://www.lastepochtools.com they have have a lot of info to help.

[vapid aspen]

if only my damage tests went like that

most of the time I'll be on sample number 200 and still have not seen the min or max numbers

[hexed swan]

I have read everything those two pages have to offer, pretty much. :/ No luck.

[vapid aspen]

what info you looking for?

[sharp quartz]

and dont forget rounding in LE. There is an issue where it shows the rounded value but uses the actual value in the calculation

[hexed swan]

Well, I made a naked character. Equipped one skill. Equipped one weapon. Made the calculation. Tooltip was off as heck. hit the dummy, damage numbers were off.

[vapid aspen]

hm

tooltip being off is fine

[hexed swan]

But we have established that tooltips are wrong. 😄 And that there is the +-20% damage range!

[vapid aspen]

only use for tooltip is a very rough idea

oh wait

tooltip is factoring in crit

[hexed swan]

Every hit so far has been within that damage range. 🤩

[vapid aspen]

at least that is part of it

[hexed swan]

That was my thought, too. I have not accounted for it yet. Let me run the numbers.

[vapid aspen]

5% more is base crit

[hexed swan]

Oh, by the way, I am not talking about a dps tooltip, but damage tooltip. Fury Leap, to be exact.

[sharp quartz]

Aside: other places for calc info - the in-game guide - Press G. and the Communit Game Guide on the forum - its huge and has virtually everything we know about the game in detail. https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/community-game-guide/26057

[hexed swan]

OH MY GOD. YOU ARE CORRECT.

[vapid aspen]

yeah. 5% chance of 100% more, so 0.05 * 1 = 0.05.

[hexed swan]

I have 13% crit chance. 200% multiplier. 2 base damage. 250% effectiveness. 2 strength.

[vapid aspen]

ah you are at 13 then yep there you go

[hexed swan]

I am still writing it down. 😄 Got lost in parentheses. Just a sec. 😄

[vapid aspen]

I've actually got to run for a bit :(

[hexed swan]

So, big maths:
((87x(2+(18x2.5))x1.08)+(13x((2+(18x2.5))x1.08)x2))/100 = 57.3588.

The tooltip shows 58. Might be an error in rounding somewhere.

[balmy current]

Do maths. Calc done.

https://tenor.com/view/quick-maths-mans-not-hot-gif-11163522

[balmy current]

No, the tooltip rounds.

[woven fulcrum]

Is rounding supposed to be uniform across everything?
Like if Sefiron's math is correct, 57.3 rounded up to 58.
But there are things that have those hidden modifiers,
Like the +1-2 skill levels on certain unique weapons
that are actually like 1.04 or 1.56.
Thus with 2 Hakar's you can never actually get +4.
Those don't seem to round up only.

[vapid aspen]

you can get +4 with hakars

Its just extremely rare

[balmy current]

The dps tooltip will always round but the game uses the actual figure when doing anything (like removing hp). Certain things are actually a decimal (like the +x-y skill lvl on certain uniques) when, IMO, they shouldn't be.

[vapid aspen]

out of a full tab I found 3 or so pairs that gave +4

[woven fulcrum]

I was more wondering if it rounds up only
because that would be what's happening in the case of Sefiron's example.
I think standard rounding is down if it's .5 or below and up if it's above .5.
but that's what I've always seen (not here just most other instances)

[balmy current]

I think the devs have said that it normally rounds down

[woven fulcrum]

Oh, than I've just never seen it.
I thought I was remembering a conversation
about not being able to get them becuase of rounding
My mistake.

[woven fulcrum]

so than the above example from Sefiron is abnormal?

[balmy current]

I've not read it, his maths could be wrong.

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

I don't like that many ()

[woven fulcrum]

yeah that too. it just made me wonder. no biggee but I'm not great with the numbers stuff and any help is awlays appreciated.

[balmy current]

'S why I don't like too many nested if statements in excel

[vapid aspen]

it is because of rounding

but its not impossible

[brittle atlas]

I thought they fixed rounding on the axe? Or were at least aware and planning to fix it?

[vapid aspen]

I know rolls in data are 0-255, but I highly doubt I got 2 255s in a sample that small

maybe it was fixed idk, I rememeber doing it when axe came out

[brittle atlas]

I remember it coming up ages ago when it came out

And talking to mike or someone else in the dev channel about it

[vapid aspen]

Yep same

[brittle atlas]

Due to not getting the levels expected on swarmblade form or something

[vapid aspen]

bet we remember the same convo

[brittle atlas]

Since I think you were supposed to be able to hit like level 38 or something

But you could only get 36 due to some issue

Idr the full thing

[vapid aspen]

38? I want whatever setup you are remembering

give

[brittle atlas]

I think it was like literally every + level source possible

[woven fulcrum]

awesome. Thanks for the clarification everyone!
Always round down.
When in doubt, get you three to check the math. 😄

[brittle atlas]

I know it was really high

Maybe not 38, but by far the highest possible

Since swarmblade had so many tags

[vapid aspen]

it was 26, pre level of swarmblade affix

#🐺┃primalist message

[brittle atlas]

2x axe, wings, belt, omni

Right?

[vapid aspen]

yeah I didnt have a wings.

it was 27 with wings

just to think... that was a year ago and swarmblade tree is still a massive point sink

[brittle atlas]

I’ve only played like one swarmblade since it came out tbh

Never really appealed to me

Tried the swarm strike huge aoe stuff and it was OK but felt less comfy than vine bear

[vapid aspen]

I always cold convert it

and that just eats all your points

hate it

What if I just want to be blue

the cold convert being shoved in a corner behind a bunch of nodes that only help the locust builds that dont exist really just kills so many melee options

[outer jay]

I havent played last epoch in a long while but does the game have multiplayer yet the website doesnt say anything

unless im blind

[vapid aspen]

multiplayer is planned end of this year and it's in semi-closed testing right now.

planned/targeted/goal/hope/whatever you wanna call it

[balmy current]

There's nothing semi about it, it's closed testing.

[wind comet]

hey, you cant respec passive points in lvls 20-30 ?

[knotty tinsel]

you can respec all of your passive points, the game will notify you if you're trying to remove points that would cause you to lose access to nodes you have allocated already

you do have to put 20 points in your base class to access the ascendancy trees if that's the question

[wind comet]

Im lvl 25 and dont have the "unspec point" button at the moment oO

[knotty tinsel]

oh it's not something you can do wherever, there's an NPC in Council Chambers and End of Time that does it

look for the pink brain on the minimap

[vapid aspen]

Semi closed meaning that applications are open to anyone and mike said on stream that the acceptance rate is extremely high.

[desert tree]

I was wondering how the "you can't regen" part of titan heart work?? Does anyone know??

Is your regen set to 0?? Or is it disabled but the value is still there.?

[vapid aspen]

the actual stat applies a 100% less modifier to your health regen

so the final value is zero

[desert tree]

Tx

I was thinking what would happen if you have titan and shattered lance set

You loose all incr cold dmg

[vapid aspen]

until they add in the third piece of the shattered lance set (glue of the shattered lance) to make the totally stable and not going to shatter lance itself you couldn't use a 2h with it anyway

[desert tree]

😂

I was more interested in the technical part, how does it work not is it good

@vapid aspen I was looking at the planner you made yesterday

[vapid aspen]

I bet you're more confused than I was when I made it

[desert tree]

Made me asked something

Having more. "more dmg" of smaller value is better then. Bigger "more dmg" but in smaller quantities??

[vapid aspen]

yes

[vapid aspen]

I have an example in a sec

That represents having 2 10 point nodes and only 10 points to spend with 1 of the nodes being 30% and the other being 40%

And if you think this is only true for the cases where they are close in value

even with one node giving 99999999999% per point and the other giving 30 the ideal ratio is still 7/3

this is honestly probs one of the easiest ways to squeeze more damage out of a build

and it's the big reason skills that don't have multiple sources of more multipliers (even if you can't max all of them) tend to lack damage heavily

[desert tree]

Wow tx for taking the time to do those lovely spreadsheets

[vapid aspen]

Took it a bit further to sorta show the way I think about most of it. Basically this is comparing the per point value of each combination. You'd start at top left and always take the highest value square that is next to your current spot (which is green)

the path isn't always connected though when there are travel nodes involved

[near pagoda]

Question for everyone... whats been the build you keep going back to over again? I have a hard time since I love them all -- so far I think my Paladin Retaliation build is the most fun for "feel" and simplicity (which I need) I leave it from time to time because I dont know if it can push far into the game

[vapid aspen]

hurricane of blades on bladedancer. Not because I enjoy it or because it's good, but because I refuse to accept that the node is just this horrible and keep trying to make it work.

[austere tree]

hia, my thorn totem stops shooting if i order my squirrels to move somewhere, is this intentional? Is there a way to make them start shooting again? ive tried manually selecting a target but doesnt work. Sorry if this isnt the right place to post this?

[snow spruce]

!bug

[ripe brook]

Please post bug reports on our forum: https://forum.lastepoch.com/c/bug-reports. Thank you. :smile:

[brittle atlas]

I’ve got four main builds pretty geared out. Poison Umbral Blades Bladedancer, Fire Wraiths Necro, Cold Dot Werebear, DoT Lich

I think the lich and bladedancer have the most play time

[near pagoda]

How long have you been working on the classes you love to play... is there always something to try and improve on them?

[vapid aspen]

Yes

You will never have perfect gear

and I spend like 1/4 my time in game just tweaking passives and skills to try other ideas

it's just really fun that the optimisation process for a build can happen while you're playing it instead of before you start.

[near pagoda]

I was just wondering if you guys take a build you have already made (Say a forge guard) and respec all the skills and passives or do you start over from scratch with a new concept of the same class?

and keep the original

[vapid aspen]

both

if I have some new build idea what I do is take an existing character and respec it to that build and use all the accumulated gear in my stash to make it work. If it functions and is fun on that character I'll then make a new one in solo and level it

or if it needs super specific uniques that I don't feel like farming I won't do it on solo but I'll only let myself take those things out of my stash

[brittle atlas]

Yeah I generally respec a character to test a concept then make a new one to actually play it

[vapid aspen]

arborus where do you usually get your defenses from on dual wielding bd?

like what should I be expecting for ehp vs oneshots

[brittle atlas]

Uh

I don’t really

I need to rework my gear a bit tho

Could get a lot more armor than I currently have with juggling some stats around

My defenses are like... 60% endurance, 100% crit avoidance, 31% passive glancing, 10-12 dusk shrouds, shift invuln and dodge, blade shield armor

My one shot ehp is quite low

[vapid aspen]

Ok then it's not just me

[brittle atlas]

I’ve mostly built the character to delete bosses and ignore most defenses to be greedier with damage uniques or passives or blessings

The character has 0% necrotic res for example

I basically only use it to do temporal sanctum now

[vapid aspen]

having very low ehp is just what dual wielding bd is I guess

like in general

[brittle atlas]

Yeah unless you’re like

Dancing strikes with wings?

[vapid aspen]

it's just funny to me that going LL ward actually somehow increases my ehp

not by much tho

[brittle atlas]

My philosophy for the character has been to basically get just enough defense to be comfortable for me in the content I use it for

And don’t bother with more than that bare minimum

[vapid aspen]

Well it was a fun 10 minutes, I've once again shelved hurricane of blades

some day

[near pagoda]

When you are running Monoliths do you have to loot the reward chest each time or can you run ten and then loot everything?

[balmy current]

Use it or loose it.

[thorn solstice]

Ive been a bit curious about what affects gold drops. It *seems *like I get anywhere from 2k-20k from the generic chest at ~300 corruption. Im guessing there is a big variance. Does tree depth matter? I know corruption does as of 8.5

[acoustic thicket]

Any dates on when the performance improvement patch is gonna come?

I can't really play the game because of fps issue

I'm having to play in a low resolution windowed setting for pve and just maximize my window to read and to do stuff for now lol

[acoustic thicket]

I used to play path of exile perfectly fine and I can just laugh when I'm playing last epoch like this lol but can't get enough of LE. Still new on my first character for now

[buoyant sinew]

the date is getting announced next week, so we don't know yet

[acoustic thicket]

That's fine. Nice thank you bud

Looking forward to next week then

Also will the announcement drop on discord here?

I use no social media like Twitter, Facebook, etc

[buoyant sinew]

yeah it will be in #news

[hasty tartan]

Hey, is Last Epoch Tools still the best way to find builds?

[acoustic thicket]

Nice thanks again

[thorn solstice]

yeah pretty much. any build on youtube is automatically scraped into a post on lastepochtools as well

[hasty tartan]

Thanks

Are wolf/squirrel builds still a good starter?

[balmy current]

Squirrel no since it requires a specific high-ish lvl unique helm

[hasty tartan]

What if you start it as wolves and transition if you find the helm?

[vapid aspen]

that works fine

[hasty tartan]

Thanks

[vapid aspen]

but you will never get the helmet if you are playing wolves

rng knows what you are trying to pull

[cinder fossil]

even if you do get the helmet it has high variance in the rolls

so you can just get screwed

[vapid aspen]

with bad rolls it's still best in slot

and the odds of getting a perfectly horrible one are the same as getting a perfectly good one

[woven fulcrum]

I believe what effects the chest is how much of the echo you clear.
The more you push that bar to the right the more gold and other items come out of it.

[thorn solstice]

Oh wow no kidding! That does make sense Ill have to give it some tests! thanks

[woven fulcrum]

If I'm wrong I'll blame it on @balmy current. He's got tough skin.

😉

[balmy current]

That & the character level, nothing to do with the mono you do or it's % MF (except the number of mobs you kill)

So it's possible to get t7 exalted items on a lvl 95+ character from the chest at the end of a lvl 57 mono

[lime cargo]

does "% increased void damage" and "% increased melee void damage" scale your damage the same way for a build doing melee void damage?

or does the melee void damage affix scale your damage more than the standard increased void damage?

[copper fable]

The same 50% increased melee void, and 50% increased void are the same for a melee void skill.

[lime cargo]

Alright sweet, that's handy. Thanks.

[strange parcel]

is it possible to link items in the ingame chat?

[cinder fossil]

not yet

[iron zealot]

I'm not sure they ever intend to add this (or not). In public channels it's pure nuisance, but in PMs it's really helpful.

One only needs to look at WoW's trade chat for examples of why not to do it...

[acoustic thicket]

Beastmaster is like a summoner class right so is there any good build which let's all my summons/minions/pet do all the thing and my character just rooms around

The closest thing I could find like this is the zookeeper build

[iron zealot]

Pets require a bit of micro on boss fights, but otherwise any sensible build is probably okay

[acoustic thicket]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/the-zookeeper-build-guide-500k-dps-200-corruption-beginner-friendly-full-detailed-guide-0-8-5b/48346

[iron zealot]

The real trick with looking at builds/guides is that many of them require particular uniques or well-rolled gear you may not have access too yet

[acoustic thicket]

Ohh

[dry narwhal]

i feel necro can sit back a bit more than beastmaster when it comes to summoning

[midnight timber]

to be fair, I levelled that build, and it was pretty smooth. I wasn't doing it completely without a stash, but it was a smooth easy levelling experience

[acoustic thicket]

Nice

I'll try it then

I'm still new so I don't understand maybe 80% of things that this game has to offer 😂

[dry narwhal]

that's not a problem

LE is very open

[acoustic thicket]

I was doing the blender 2.0 only lvl13 yet but I thought to learn the game a bit more let's play a summoner/necromancer

[midnight timber]

void knight warpath is really easy to level too 🙂

[acoustic thicket]

Yaa sooo easy

And basically you can't die too with all the life on hit and res while channeling

[lime cargo]

Warpath is the greatest skill to ever exist 😄

[cinder fossil]

the in-game guide (press g or hit esc and open it there) has a lot of useful info

a lot of things are explained there

[strange parcel]

@iron zealot

but its from 2020

[acoustic thicket]

Ohh damn totally forgot about that thanks man it helped a Lot

Also how do I unlock the mastery class?

Like void knight for sentinel

[buoyant sinew]

It's part of the main quest, you can't miss it. You'll probably get there around level 25

[acoustic thicket]

Ohhh it's lvl 25

I thought it was lvl 20 so was looking for it LoL

[knotty tinsel]

it's around level 25 you won't be gated by level

[acoustic thicket]

Yep I understand

[iron zealot]

Yeah, I think it would need to either be for non-public chat only, or have it only show up as an icon in chat that has to be hovered over instead of an obnoxious multicolored wall of spam

For example, a set of unique gloves would only show as a golden hand icon instead of the item name

Even just a mini version of the item's normal graphic would be okay, I think

Scaled down versions of these, for example
https://i.imgur.com/kJt3zxJ.png

Alternatively (or originally) just use preset combinations of this system
https://i.imgur.com/fFIivJr.png

[sterile widget]

My recommendation - to learn the game, don't use a build guide 🙂

[iron zealot]

Either way, I don't want to see THIS in LE...
https://i.imgur.com/c702gIy.png

[desert tree]

Don't turn on tchat ^^

[sick yacht]

Isn't that against the nda? 😅

[desert tree]

😅😂

[viscid musk]

Dude^^

[lunar holly]

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/multiplayer-progress-update-january-2022/47678

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

[viscid musk]

🤣whoops. Well played

[amber cedar]

How do you zoom out the big map when it's on the centre of the screen?

[vapid aspen]

I think in settings

maybe

[balmy current]

That was ~2 years ago...

[elder lily]

RIP Sarno

[woven fulcrum]

He mentioned that. 😉

[strange parcel]

do i have to re-do the acts for every new char?

[vapid aspen]

sorta

The minimum you can do is the first area up until you leave council chambers for 3rd time

which is maybe 30 minutes of time

There is a skip right afterwards if you have a lightless arbor key and are able to clear it.

Not too big an issue with strong leveling gear

Otherwise, you have access to monoliths as soon as you get to end of time. There are 2 other dungeons atm that also let you skip large chunks of the story (Multiple acts).

You do get your idol slots and 15 bonus passive points from sidequests but there are more sidequests than needed to get max points. You also get +1 all attributes from the current last boss.

[strange parcel]

the snake lady?

[vapid aspen]

yeah

[strange parcel]

got it thanks

[rare wedge]

can anyone explain why the eagle wing gives me much higher hammer throw dps on the tooltip?

[brittle atlas]

It has 3 flat crit on it

[rare wedge]

ohhhh, so thats different from "increased"

as in thats base crit

makes sense thank you

[brittle atlas]

Yep

[rare wedge]

how rare are the rare boss drops? is there like a droprate list anywhere? been trying to farm this throne of ambition for ages and just get the common ones

running it on the lvl 100 version at 122 corruption currently

[brittle atlas]

10-15% iirc

But the rate is impacted by rarity modifiers

[warm yew]

There's also a significant increase along that 10-15% slider as you go from 100 to 200 corruption; most 'uncommon/rare' uniques need farmed at 200+ corruption, for the time invested to be worth it.

[acoustic thicket]

Hi ! Anyone knows if the pack at 240$ is still available and if the shipment of the goodies in Europe is OK

[balmy current]

They're not doing any pack upgrades at the moment, but yes, there are Europeans that have received the physical goods (being on the rainy isle off the western coast, I'm not European though I did get my stuff though stupidly late).

[strange parcel]

is there a point in redoing the quests from monoliths?

[cinder fossil]

in empowered monoliths? no

in empowered monoliths you can just go directly to the boss fight if you have enough stability

[strange parcel]

says its locked tho

[main plover]

Since I haven't seen anything, I assume defensive actions like Block and Dodge happen without any visual display?

[vapid aspen]

That isn't empowered monoliths

Just normal monoliths

[strange parcel]

whats the diff

[vapid aspen]

Empowered monos are level 100, start at 100 corruption, and have no corruption cap.

you unlock them after clearing the last 3 normal monoliths

[balmy current]

Empowered monos are lvl 100 & start at 100 corruption (with no cap), normal monos have varying levels & a corruption cap of 50.

[cinder fossil]

in regular monoliths you have to complete the two quest echoes before doing the boss

you dont have to do that in empowered

[strange parcel]

so is there a point to do those 3 quests after unlocking the next monolith?

[vapid aspen]

If you want to do the boss again, yes

[strange parcel]

...

[vapid aspen]

generally you want to go to the next mono

[cinder fossil]

you can do it again if you want to try and unlock a different blessing

[strange parcel]

alright thx

[cedar yarrow]

Hello I was wondering if this is a good time to get into the game or do I hold off for longer

[desert tree]

tomorrow we should have the date for the release of 0.9 which will be a big patch

if its not too far away and/or you are not too impatient I would recommend to wait for a little longer

since any character created in singleplayer will not be able to play multi

[sterile widget]

If you're not interested in or likely to play multiplayer, start now. Plenty of content there.

[vapid aspen]

Or learn the game now in single player so you can show off to your friends in mp

[sterile widget]

That's a Jotar level move

[pastel pebble]

Jotar's already mastered this game several ways to Sunday I assume

[woven fulcrum]

Even Chuck Norris calls Jotar GC for short.

[cedar yarrow]

sweet thanks for the replies I will hold off till tomorrow to see what is coming in the future

[grand river]

Do the quest echoes consume 1x of the map modifiers in use?

[warm yew]

Aye - it's a common tactic for HC characters to burn them, even on empowered, before bossing.

[grand river]

Thanks!

[outer jay]

Where would I find a crafting guide?

I know some stuff about crafting but not much

[balmy current]

Have you looked in the in-game guide (G)?

[wispy surge]

Why do equal increase amounts not equal the same increased damage for spell damage vs lightning spell damage

for lightning spells

[vapid aspen]

all of your damage might not be lightning

[wispy surge]

It is. The lightning spell damage increases my DPS more than an equal amount of spell damage

[balmy current]

Does the spell have any nodes that apply the electrify ailment (lightning damage but not a spell)?

[gaunt iris]

can i make a rule to hide all class specific items for classes i dont play, but still have every unique/set item displayed ?

[cinder fossil]

yes

just have a rule to show all unique/set items and put it above the rule that hides class specific items

[brittle atlas]

just make your bottom most rule hide everything

and white list the items you want to see

imo much easier to show what you do want than to hide what you don't

you can do hide everything by making a new rule with no conditions and setting it to hide

[near pagoda]

So I’m bummed because I think MP coming out in March also mean that model updates (specifically the Manifest Armor one!) are delayed until March as well? I ve been holding off playing it until then… 😂

[sick yacht]

Correct

[near pagoda]

[knotty mesa]

Manifest Armor - smth such as Hulk model will be perfectly suit with it's power 😂

[sick yacht]

It's probably getting nerfed tbh

I'm sure EHG has seen the like 8 second julra kill

[twin oak]

I hope they nerf minion damage in general

Flame wraiths and abomination are also nuts

[balmy current]

So you want to make all the lower damage minions less viable?

[twin oak]

Ok change nerf to balance

Lol

[cinder fossil]

stabilize, if you will

[wintry junco]

Dragonsong mostly deals cold no? So this probably not worth?

Or you reckon it's mostly fire?

It's that, 280 armor, or 21% endurance

[native sail]

Endurance

[brittle atlas]

flat armor is king for that timeline imo

[sterile widget]

I haven't seen that one yet. Which timeline?

[wintry junco]

Spirits of fire

[sterile widget]

Ok nice. Am playing sorc fire build. Will be much useful

[wintry junco]

yeah I took it for testing purpose aswell

[balmy current]

Dragonsong deals mostly physical

[wintry junco]

nah

[balmy current]

Unless you have massive amounts of dex & the Mourningfrost boots, in which case it'll deal a broadly even split of phys/cold

[wintry junco]

why phys?

[balmy current]

'cause you're asking about the bow, not the proc

[vapid aspen]

or if you are using dragonsong for the proc and not flat damage to your bow attacks

[balmy current]

as I highlighted on the pic

[wintry junco]

Well yeah I'm on about the proc

Don't think anyone uses it for anything else 😀

[balmy current]

Then it'd be fire/cold depending on how much dex you have with the boots.

[wintry junco]

80 dex

[vapid aspen]

Dragonsong does get used for things other than the proc

[wintry junco]

I see

[vapid aspen]

Its a longbow with an extremely low level requirement

[balmy current]

The proc has a base fire damage of 180

[vapid aspen]

so you get way more flat than you are meant to have super early

[balmy current]

with 900% added damage effectiveness

[wintry junco]

I see

so mostly fire then

[balmy current]

so 80 cold -> 720 cold damage + the base 180 fire

[vapid aspen]

20 dex is the point where it is 50 50 cold fire

[wintry junco]

yeah since in game doesn't explain anything I didn't really know

oh

nvm

Yeah so fire pen pointless

I'll take armor next time since im running arrowguard

cheers

[vapid aspen]

unless you are getting flat spell damage elsewhere

[balmy current]

It does

[wintry junco]

nah only bow

[vapid aspen]

so if you factor in the bow the breakpoint is around 40 dex

[balmy current]

try holding

I assume it also gives the base damage further down

[wintry junco]

I know, I sent the screenshot

no

[vapid aspen]

it doesnt give the base damage iirc

[wintry junco]

yeah

no base dmg anywhere

only thing I find annoying with the game tbh

Not explanatory enough

[vapid aspen]

you sorta need to know the 20:100% rule of thumb

[balmy current]

Or just use lastepochtools.com

[wintry junco]

I guess

well thanks

[vapid aspen]

I am once again lamenting the state of cinder strike for spamming self ignite stacks

so no, thank you

[wintry junco]

Would you try to craft this over my horrible current one*?

Current

[vapid aspen]

Yes

[wintry junco]

I would try to fracture spell dmg, and then try to change mana regen into something useful

or how would you go about it

[vapid aspen]

I would not do that

[wintry junco]

I 100% want dex

[vapid aspen]

well dex doesnt roll on amulets

[wintry junco]

nvm then lol

but If I reroll first, i might crit spell dmg

[vapid aspen]

Spell damage is good

[wintry junco]

yeah

that's why I want to fracture it

[vapid aspen]

you wont ever fracture it

what tier is it now

[wintry junco]

Like this, but i ran out of forging

[wintry junco]

T2

[vapid aspen]

seal odds for a t4 are next to 0

somewhat possible at t3, very common at t2

[wintry junco]

yeah and it's T2

[vapid aspen]

but you want a higher number

[wintry junco]

I wouldnt try if it was T3 or above

[vapid aspen]

Instead I would seal the mana regen

[wintry junco]

oh right

TRue

[vapid aspen]

what tier is mana regen rn?

[wintry junco]

t2 aswell

but yeah that makes more sense

Since I would only craft more %dmg anyways

Now does %cold roll higher than %ele?

Nvm probably want crit multi

[sterile widget]

Y'all got so many glyph of despair you sealing on level 70 items 😄

[wintry junco]

It's a res amulet with pog implicits, what else would I go for?

[vapid aspen]

yeah I would 100% be sealing on that

[wintry junco]

Anyways I guess I slam crit multi, and try to get res or hp on suffix

[vapid aspen]

even if I only had 1 despair

[sterile widget]

You do you man. I am despair poor

[wintry junco]

I have 10 more

I haven't gotten to crafting lol

[sterile widget]

😄 I think I have... 2 after like 150 hours

[wintry junco]

Tried to seal on a T7 dex boot today, failed twice, tried to remove, instant remove on T7 dex XD

[vapid aspen]

thing is that if I ever need a despair I can just get one

[wintry junco]

I got like 15-20 despairs

[sterile widget]

RNG

[wintry junco]

110 hours

[vapid aspen]

glyph reward echoes

do them

[wintry junco]

I just do random echoes and they drop loads 😄

correct? @vapid aspen

-1 forging from seal btw lol

[vapid aspen]

Sick

[sterile widget]

Eh. I have no interest in grinding specific mono rewards at this time 🙂

[wintry junco]

Im 90% sure multi > cold dmg > ele dmg

[vapid aspen]

I'd craft on crit multi now, and then reroll the shock

[wintry junco]

yeah

so far so good

Holy shit this is not legal

[vapid aspen]

You dont grind for them. You just stop actively avoiding them

[wintry junco]

Look at the forging LOL

[vapid aspen]

lmao

[wintry junco]

rerolling time hahaha

Psycho RNG

[vapid aspen]

last crafting step is rune of ascendance to ruin all the hard work for no reason

[wintry junco]

What do you reckon?

I think I keep that, no reason to risk a good RNG lol

If I feel like gambling I can always keep going later 😄

[cinder fossil]

i would just leave it

[sterile widget]

While that's an interesting reframing, I've done plenty of glyph rewards, so it would definitely feel like grinding to actively target them in order to increase my chance of a particular outcome

[vapid aspen]

also dungeons and arenas

there are things in the pool that can get you lots of them

the thing is that I get less items worth despairing than I get despairs

[wintry junco]

^

[vapid aspen]

also because I treat any exalt with a bad base as lp fodder and will never seal on those

[wintry junco]

I don't really have gear worthy of it xD

Pretty embarassing considering I just got that amulet rofl

Frailty good or nah?

[vapid aspen]

very

[wintry junco]

change?

Since I realized fire pen kinda pointless to me

[vapid aspen]

up to you

[wintry junco]

Don't have any other frailty procs

but is there no "right" choice for blessing or just take whatever you need pretty much

[dry narwhal]

if fire pen is useless then why keep it right

[wintry junco]

true that

[dry narwhal]

but yeah a lot of blessings are personal taste

unless it's one of the shred ones, then that one's locked in

[wintry junco]

I have shred from smoke cloud

stacks up real quick

just gotta position, some bosses are more tricky

[tidal sandal]

They tend to drop quite a lot once you push your corruption up in my experience.

[sharp quartz]

best place I have found for getting despairs are from lightning arbor dungeon. you just have to cycle through the rewards and if you are lucky there is one that puts a despair in every chest. fairly costly tho, but way more predictable than rng drops

[sterile widget]

Ah OK. I've not really bothered with playing corruption game yet. After I unlocked empowered monos, I completed one of them and then created a new character to try something different

[balmy current]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-25407126

[ancient lance]

Can someone give me a super quick "Boundless Blows" explanation for dummies?

Returning to epoch and first rogue Ive made, dont really understand the benefit of it using mana

[tidal sandal]

Im not 100% on this but I think the purpose it serves is it allows "channeled" modifiers/stats on equipment to work with it, and its also a gateway to get to the nodes beyond it, which maybe the payoff of them is worth the potential downside of channeling. There could be more to it, but im not sure.

[brittle atlas]

It removes the small delay between attacks the skill normally has.

It also means you’re only paying a mana cost once per use

So you can use a node like Coated Blades and only need to pay the cost once

Though Flurry got nerfed pretty hard a while back and isn’t in the best place currently

[marsh maple]

It got arborus'd

[vapid aspen]

It does a bit more than just remove the delay. It seems to equate to something like 15% more attack speed and it also removes the 3 hit nature entirely. Instead while holding button it does one attack every x second and every third attack made gets the benefit of any third attack specific stuff.

my biggest issue with it is that you lose ability to tap the button and get at least one attack.

with low attack speed you need to hold it for a bit before the first attack happens.

anecdotally, non channeled flurry during its "burst" of 3 will be more attacks per second than channeled flurry

like the delay between 1 and 2 and 2 and 3 is shorter for non channelled, but the delay between 3 and 1 is much longer

all that is to say: imo if you are early on and have only base + 20%-30% attack speed you may find that non channelled feels more responsive to play.

[balmy current]

No, that's all it does. It removes the delay between the 3rd & 1st swing/arrow so you can attack much faster

Since it adds the channelled tag, for as long as you hold the button down, that is considered one "use" for the likes of Lethal Cadence.

[shy terrace]

Hey,
Sorry if this is the wrong channel to ask. Maybe this is a known thing.
I purchased Last Epoch via Steam in... last december (2021), and according to the steam page, you'd get the ardent gladiator pack by doing so. I never realised this until now, but that should also register on your LE forum - and while my Steam account seems to be linked there, I don't seem to have the ardent gladiator according to the forum account. Am I simply overlooking something or is there another way to check?

[sterile widget]

Probably want to check out #support and raise a ticket.

[delicate dust]

Normally we would ask for you to submit a support ticket for this to be looked into at https://support.lastepoch.com/ however I happened to see this and can look into this here quickly for you. I'll be continuing this particular request in DM's due to discussing account information.

[shy terrace]

Ah, I don't want to cause any issues. I'll fill a support ticket, no problem. Thanks for the heads-up.

[delicate dust]

sounds good! Sorry about the issue with getting it automatically.

[shy terrace]

That stuff can always happen, the exception to the rule ^^

And probably the problem is in front of the screen anyways, as it usually is, I probably just did something wrong.

[delicate dust]

Likely a communication issue between Steam and our system, unless you made the bees angry.

[shy terrace]

I never would, not on purpose anyway! But once you get a taste of their honey, you made an enemy for life..

[topaz solar]

hello , can i play multiplayer now guys ?

[balmy current]

No.

[tender marsh]

will 0.9 be mainly a multiplayer update or will it rework/add a lot of content as well?

[balmy current]

Mainly MP with a few odds & sods.

[tender marsh]

aight, planned to wait for 0.9 but i guess i can come back now

[sterile widget]

You can see a big list of the upcoming changes here

https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/dev-q-a-weve-sprung-a-leak/49707

At least some of these are coming in 0.9, though I got the impression it was quite a number

[cinder fossil]

i dont think that list is all coming in 0.9

a lot of it probably is

[vague cloak]

After finishing campaign and side quests. Is it just endless boring mono's?

[pastel pebble]

There's the mono quests and their advancement alongside dungeons to do across the map

[cinder fossil]

monoliths, dungeons, and arena for now

completing the three level 90 monoliths at the top and then going into the center of them unlocks empowered monoliths

empowered monoliths are all level 100 and don't have a corruption cap

[pastel pebble]

They'll be adding more storyline stuff too IIRC

But that's later on in time

[vague cloak]

ok ill aim for that

[noble ore]

Trying to help some guy on the internet out. It appears he's offline. I don't have the game and finding this info is a pain.

He says he's trying to get shift + right click to click on inv or something via steam input (steam deck prob) and it's not working. Does anyone know what the shift key does by itself, what right click does by itself, and what both of them do together? I was looking at the wiki and forums. Seems right clicking is attacking while standing still. But nothing mentions the shift key

[balmy current]

"In the world", right click uses the skill bound to the RMB, in your inventory right click equips the item you're hovering over (if it is equipable), shift-right click does nothing in the inventory & ctrl-right click equips the item you're hovering over.

[noble ore]

K thx. That might be the issue

[fallow obsidian]

hi guys, when beta is end all chars will be deleted?

[balmy current]

no

Any MP characters you have made will be moved to a "standard" league like how PoE does it.

[fallow obsidian]

thank you

[wintry junco]

I have 75+ all res, but for some reason fire is destroying me

any idea to why?

[balmy current]

Insufficient hp, no other defensive layers, etc.

Standing on stuff you shouldn't be standing in

[wintry junco]

Probably a mix of all of those, but it's weird cause I wasn't dying before

[dry narwhal]

monolith modifiers add up too

[wintry junco]

true that

[dry narwhal]

but yeah without knowing your gear/build the easiest thing to always point to first is life pool

[wintry junco]

it is for sure

But it's not an easy fix

[dry narwhal]

you really want ~2k life for empowered monos

minimum

[wintry junco]

[dry narwhal]

yeah thats your issue too lol

[wintry junco]

Challange accepted

[dry narwhal]

if your challenge is losing all your echo rewards, fine by me

i'll keep adding to my hoard

[sterile widget]

Looks at his Forge Guard with 900hp and health on hit... spin to win baby!

[wintry junco]

Some people just built different

[tidal sandal]

Potion health converted to ward is pretty important with exsang isnt it?

[sick yacht]

Sure, but exang isn't as good for ward as like twisted heart

Exang kind of needs buffed atm

[vapid aspen]

it's honestly not even that important

with the amount of hp you need to stack to make exsang a functional item (like 4k minimum imo) gaining what? 200-400 or something from a potion doesn't matter.

[wintry junco]

Anyone got a good Zooming build? Prefferably Melee, haven't done melee yet

[desert tree]

Warpath??

[vapid aspen]

I hear tempest strike is good

at being useless

[wintry junco]

Just made this to lvl with so wanna have some fun xd

sadly it grabbed hp on hit instead of shred, was the only mace I had lol

[vapid aspen]

Unfortunately you've overwritten the lv1 requirement with a lv59 requirement

:(

[wintry junco]

Oh wait

I didn't know it worked like that

That's sad

Would've clearly broken the game with this mace to lvl with, good thing they stopped me before it was too late

[knotty tinsel]

still a leveling item just a higher level one I suppose

[wintry junco]

[knotty tinsel]

damage is damage

[vapid aspen]

it's still a good leveling item without lp

[wintry junco]

Well beats me

Was just trying to have some fun

[vapid aspen]

Actually the hammer beats enemies

[wintry junco]

I always make broken lvling stuff in games

but not here I guess

[knotty tinsel]

how to level in LE:

• get movement speed anywhere
• equip bleeding heart
  that's it you're done

[wintry junco]

You haven't seen true lvling

[polar junco]

Hey if i'm going a poison shuriken/flask build, does this affect the dot or just the hit?

[balmy current]

Everything.

[polar junco]

ty

[copper fable]

Legendaries can take not the exalted affix. The level is raised based on affix number and tier. So in theory you can take leveling items and slap tier 1-2 affixes on them, and they will only need level 4 or 8 to use, but be significantly stronger. it just requires a different mindset when crafting said legendary.

[wispy surge]

Anyone have suggestions on how to not lose my cursor in the chaos? Is there a way to make it stand out more?

[woven fulcrum]

i think yolo mouse is a popular addition for this.

[vocal thistle]

You can also use swcursor if you're on Linux.

[vocal thistle]

Would you know if that would also affect the Cast-on-Crit proc (spell) if you were to hit on that third strike? I would imagine it's not the case, but just checking

[balmy current]

If a proc is something that goes on your skill bar (such as Shift proccing Shuriken/Shadow Cascade or Flurry proccing Multishot) then no. If the proc is something else (such as ailments, with the notable exception of Shadow Daggers) then that proc will inherit any relevant modifiers (relevant meaning, matches the tags for the proc, so if a spell is proc'd then it won't inherit any % melee modifiers, a proc that only does fire damage won't inherit any % cold/void/etc modifiers) from the applying skill.

[acoustic rune]

does this game work on a dogshit computer?

I have a thinkpad from 2017 with integrated graphics

460T

[vapid aspen]

I unfortunately dont think so

[sharp quartz]

Dont even try. From what I can see that laptop model doesnt come with discreet GPU and will not handle LE right now and I doubt that the performance improvements coming in the next version 0.9 will make any difference.

Just dont do it.

[acoustic rune]

Damn.

I hope Grim Dawn will run well, then.

[sharp quartz]

The problem is the lack of discreet GPU in that laptop. most games will struggle.

Grim dawn has a better chance of running than LE but its still not going to be a great experience on that Intel iGPU

[tidal sandal]

I have a laptop with a 1060 and it is basically unplayable on that.

I am able to turn the gfx and resolution way down, and then it is playable but still bad and looks terrible.

[acoustic rune]

i'm playing factorio with a stable 60 fps

did 25man raids in wow too

[sharp quartz]

Factorio is more a CPU game. And the Intel HD 520 in your laptop is just faster than the minimum required for factorio (I think thats a Intel HD 5500).

Similar with WoW, the minimum used to be an Intel HD 530, now its up to a HD 630. So still playable on your integrated GPU.

So those two games are far more likely to run on your potato than LE would. And even then you are unlikely to enjoy decent framerates at higher resolutions or quality settings.

The minimum requirement for LE is a GTX 660 TI - which is probably about 500% faster than your Intel 520. And its currently (0.8.5f) generally unoptimised so it needs even more to compensate or to play well at anything higher than the lowest settings.

If you seriously want to play games at any level of quality, resolution or framerate, you need something with a discreet GPU. There are plenty of laptops capable to do so, just not yours.

[sharp quartz]

Yeah, the mobile versions of GPUs are always slower than their desktop counterparts (heat/power etc reasons). a Mobile 1060 is faster than the minimum for LE and while it should be playable, its not going to be great by any stretch of the imagination - even at the lowest possible settings. Especially with all the optimisation issues.

Got my kid a laptop recently (school/ early xmas present) with a 3070 TI Mobile GPU and its pretty impressive as gaming laptops go imho.

[wispy surge]

Is there an accelerated way to level new characters past your first?

or any increase xp buffs/equipment?

[sick yacht]

Use dungeons to skip acts in the story or just go to monos when you unlock your mastery

[wispy surge]

how does using dungeons to skip work?

[cinder fossil]

completing certain dungeons skips you through certain sections of the campaign

for example, completing temporal sanctum skips you directly to chapter 9

i dont remember what the other two other dungeons skip off the top of my head

[acoustic rune]

which is strange because i wasn't particularly floored by the grafix in LE

I own a desktop PC, I just had to flee the country on a very very short notice and it'll be a while before i get it mailed or whatever

[sick yacht]

It's not that they're amazing. It's that you're playing a beta game that has not been optimized.

[sterile widget]

As somebody who played star wars the old Republic on a virtual machine on a busted 5yo macbook pro, I reckon you could give it a go @acoustic rune

Particularly if you have a desktop anyway and you just want to play before you get it.

Just adjust the settings and your expectations 🙂 also, performance improvements coming in 0.9 apparently, so not that far away 🙂

[worldly bane]

not sure if I'm being stupid but.... how do I get in here to access the rift?

[cinder fossil]

does clicking on the door not work?

[dry narwhal]

you need to come back to that later

there's a sidequest that opens it very soon

[worldly bane]

ahhh thanks. yeah clicking on the door doesn't work right now

[vapid aspen]

click it harder

[knotty tinsel]

if you click it 999 times, hit it with tempest strike 420 times then click it another 69 times rumor has it you unlock Sonic in Melee

[vapid aspen]

melee builds suck in sonic though

[wispy surge]

Are Poison Damage and Damage over time the same when it comes to poison damage?

[vapid aspen]

Yes

but only because there is no source of poison hits

[wispy surge]

so it would be good to put both affixes on a weapon for poison build?

assuming they stack?

[vapid aspen]

they do stack, but generally you will have far better options

attack speed and crit multi

crit multi is for salt the wound, which is basically required on poison

[verbal blaze]

Hey guys!
How does scaling work?
I am trying to improve the devouring orb build. It scales from vitality, spell, and void. Everything is clear with vitality, everything is in the tooltip. But another two is sneaky...
Let's say my character has a 200% increased spell damage, and a 300% increased void damage.
Do I understand correctly that in this case it is more profitable to increase the spell damage even more? Does it work on the principle of "increasing less is more valuable"?

[vapid aspen]

Generally yes, however not quite in that way

all sources of %increased damage are added together, the tags on the increased damage modifiers are only there to determine which skills it can apply to

so 100% increased void and 100% increased spell would just be 200% increased

[verbal blaze]

Oh... Yeah i see. Thanks.

[vapid aspen]

if you press G in game there is a page on it

iirc

[verbal blaze]

Got it, thanks

Usually in such games there is a more complex calculation. First, the base is calculated, then increments are calculated from the base for each tag, then they are summed up, and only then they are counted further.

[vapid aspen]

That is how it works here

each damage type is handled independently

[verbal blaze]

This has always led to the fact that it has always been more profitable to raise the smallest increments than the largest ones.

[vapid aspen]

and that is the case for all more multipliers

since they multiply with eachother

[verbal blaze]

But you just said that it doesn't matter in my case what exactly to raise. Or did I misunderstand?

[tidal sandal]

You were asking about increased modifiers not more modifiers

[verbal blaze]

It turns out like this?

((base * spell increase) + (base * void increase)) * muls

[tidal sandal]

No, It turns out like Base + added x increased x more x more x more x more

[minor vigil]

(base * (spell increased + void increased))*more...

[verbal blaze]

So?

(base + added) * (spell increase + void increase) * sum(...mul)

Thanks guys!

[tidal sandal]

Its not the sum of multiplicative modifiers

[verbal blaze]

yeah just for simplify. i interested only in increases now

[tidal sandal]

gotcha

incase its helpful, things like resistance shred and penetration are multiplicative

[vapid aspen]

and crits

you usually have 5 layers of additive multipliers

[verbal blaze]

Yes, they are quite clear as az, this is not my first game with such calculations.

I just wanted to understand how exactly increases work, because they are considered differently everywhere.

[tidal sandal]

Yeah its pretty straightforward on LE

[verbal blaze]

Do I understand correctly that there is no way to change the roll on the implicit property?

[tidal sandal]

No, you use a rune of shaping to change them

[verbal blaze]

Oh i can't see lol

[knotty tinsel]

which timeline is for exalted bows? the same as the unique bows one?

[vapid aspen]

not timeline specific

[tidal sandal]

Exalted items arent specific to a Timeline

[knotty tinsel]

oof gotcha

[balmy current]

Which is the same as what he did due to the magic of commutation.

[sick yacht]

There are daily rotations on the dungeon rewards. Sometimes you can get lucky and farm exalts there.

[solemn spade]

Can anyone offer advice on how much corruption is needed to drop a Omnividence Staff?

[pseudo dust]

Any timeline at level 70+, best is empowered Lance for unique staff nodes

Higher corruption is better but it's not gated behind it

[sleek bane]

(base + flat* effectiveness)* (sum of applicable increase%)* more1* more2*...

[wispy surge]

Is there a place to see what items the devs are already aware of and are going to change? I have questions but don't want to repeat what's already been answered

[vapid aspen]

searching on the forums is a good way to find information

[sterile widget]

@wispy surge I'm sure devs wouldn't mind answering about particular items again. After 9 months of daily "multiplayer when" a repeated question about some items would be a pleasant distraction 😄

[vapid aspen]

Wait when is multiplayer?

[midnight timber]

ask Jotar, he tracks that closely 😄

[vapid aspen]

!jotar

[sterile widget]

!jotar

[knotty tinsel]

!bigredbutton

[worldly bane]

What skill can I replace Wraiths with here? I'm just discovering that perma-wraiths aren't the best. I don't want them to be temporary because I already have volatile zombie as my casted spell

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/VBM6K5Po

[vapid aspen]

Tbh perma wraiths are better than a lot of other options if they are ranged

[worldly bane]

you mean this node?

[sick yacht]

No, the one that makes them stationary turrets.

But you generally want that one as well for the more damage multi with some idols that mean all your wraiths are flame wraiths

[worldly bane]

Is there any incentive to finishing the campaign once you have all passive point and idol slot rewards already?

[buoyant sinew]

A small one — you are granted +1 to all attributes for doing so

[vapid aspen]

Yes that node. Stationary perma wraiths is a bad idea imo.

[balmy current]

What, they're planning on adding multiplayer?

And, I don't appear to be able to find the AH, where is it?

[sleek bane]

it actually makes the AI feel really good because they're not running around like morons. the damage is enormous, too.

[vapid aspen]

They said they can't use temp wraiths because of mana and them already using zombies. They aren't gonna have the mana to resummon the perma wraiths every time they want to move them.

I'm assuming the mana part but I think that would be the main reason to use perma wraiths in the first place

[sleek bane]

played a similar build awhile ago, wraith expiration + zombie-from-death node worked a charm. needs a ton of regen though that's just zombies in general.

[floral lily]

emmm... if i have a unique staff with legendary potential and exalted armour i can transfer options from armour to staff? or it is weapon to weapon?

[knotty tinsel]

same item type only

[floral lily]

thanks

[knotty tinsel]

you'll need an exalted staff to add its affix(es) to the LP unique

from my experience you get wayyyy too many twohanded weapon exalteds 😆 so no worries

[tame haven]

Have all specs been added to the game already?

[midnight timber]

no... 2 more masteries to be added for 1.0

[long belfry]

Question : The character I have right now in Hardcore solo etc. will be available in Multiplayer as well? or I will need to start all-over again?

[acoustic thicket]

To play in the multi-player enabled environment you'll have to start over.

[midnight timber]

your current chars will still be available offline, but multiplayer chars start new

[acoustic thicket]

^^

[long belfry]

Thanks 👍

Another question if I may.. Is there any loot button? to loot things off the ground or only by clicking.. cause I have Loot filter but it doesn't auto-pick..

[cinder fossil]

no

gold is automatically picked up when you walk near it, and glyphs/runes automatically pick up any other glyphs/runes in a small radius when clicked

[sick yacht]

3; falconer, runemaster, warlock.

[midnight timber]

right right

[balmy current]

Er, 3? (Runemaster, Warlock & Falconer)

[worldly bane]

can you not skip cutscenes?

[midnight timber]

not currently

[safe token]

If a skill scales with two stats, does the scaling of each multiply? That is, does having both stats at 10 give the same increase as having one stat at 0 and the other at 100?

[brittle atlas]

No

“Increased” adds together

“More” multiplies

So on something like fireball, 10% increased fire damage and 10% increased spell damage is a total 20% increased damage. Which would be the same as having 20% increased of either.

[dire mist]

30% increased phys and 40% increased attack = 70% increased damage

[safe token]

Thanks. I've seen the "increased" and "more" explained before and maybe it will soon sink in.

[slate turret]

Does "Increase Elemental Damage Over Time" increase the damage of all elemental spells, or only the ones that deal damage-over-time effects?

[dire mist]

increases ignite, electrocute, frostbite(?), and elemental dot spells

anything that has the "damage over time" and the "elemental" "fire" "cold" "lightning" tags

[slate turret]

thanks

[knotty tinsel]

what happens if you put a X% of potion health into ward affix on the Chains of Uleros which give "your potions grant ward instead of health"

there's a correct way it should work of course but maybe it's a funky interaction

[odd bolt]

hey gusy is there any good website to look builds?

[midnight timber]

lastepochtools.com/builds

[odd bolt]

tyy

[knotty tinsel]

lastepochtools is the first place to go for most look-this-up queries. tunklabs shortly after for having more calculators and some precise data

[tender marsh]

best place to farm the squirrel helm is the black sun timeline and focusing on the helm/unique/set nodes?

[native sail]

Correct.

[tender marsh]

also more corrupt = higher chance to get it?

[native sail]

Believe so

[cinder fossil]

corruption increases enemy health, damage, and item rarity

item rarity increases the chance for an item to drop as unique, so yes

oh wait from nodes

yeah i think that also applies

[brittle atlas]

it'll increase the number of nodes you see

[grand river]

Like other ailments and effects, a chance of something or flat value is additive so let's say you have 25% of potion health converted to ward when you use a potion you will convert 125% of the health it would give you into ward I believe.

[balmy current]

I don't think you can convert more than 100% of a thing.

[amber cedar]

Has anyone got any compelling reasons to not turn dodge into glancing blow? I've tried and tried and tried to make a dodge defense build work and it just feels bad?

1. You still have to have the usual resistances/health/etc, you can't sacrifice any other defense for dodge
2. Getting dodge high enough to matter requires so many suffixes and passives.
3. Most of the hits you dodge you'd have easily survived and lifestealed in <1s. Most of the hits are not worth dodging, and the hits you absolutely must dodge you move out of the way of, you never chance your 80% on the one-shots.
4. Dodge doesn't work on damage over time and some DoT enemies will leave you perilously close to one-shot hp levels very quickly.
5. The alternative is getting dodge to 50% (much, much easier requiring fewer passive points and suffixes) and turning that into 100% glancing blow, building the usual defenses (as you would anyway) and being a really quite tanky rogue all of the time. Instead of dodging things you didn't need to dodge most of the time and dying to spikes.

Am I missing something? The investment to make dodge feel like a worthy part of your defense suite vs the smaller investment into dodge -> glancing blow doesn't feel balanced at all.

[balmy current]

For #4, neither does glancing blow.

It's interesting how this has changed. Back with the Rogue was introduced, Apostacy was not liked much at all, it's only relatively recently that people seem to like it.

[vapid aspen]

people dont like non 100% chance defenses

there is a massive difference between 99 and 100

[tidal sandal]

Hmm, Im not sure, with my Bladedancer I was dying a hell of a lot more when i converted my dodge to glancing blow it seemed, so I undid it. I dont really have any reason I can explain to you other than that it seemed to make me clearly more squishy having 100% glancing blow as opposed to 50-70% dodge.

Mathematically obviously dodge would prevent more damage than glancing blow, but the problem is being one shot randomly, so if you can get layered defenses enough to make that not happen against unavoidable attacks, dodge is strictly better

[urban horizon]

Did you invest into the nodes that heal you when glancing blow happens? People overlook the nodes but they are massive

[tidal sandal]

I dont remember. I may not have. I think the answer mostly is that there is some point where Dodge is strictly better, but the conversion can be used for some intermediate point in a build, when you have less health and resistances, crit avoid, etc

But that definitely makes sense FoE

Given that 33% dodge prevents the same amount of incoming damage as 100% glancing blow, if you can survive any unavoidable attacks without needing the 33% damage reduction to do so through other layers of defense, I believe it would be better. Obviously the big IF is being able to survive those attacks.

Also feel free to correct any of the numbers here if im wrong, I havent thought through it a ton or played my bladedancer in a bit lul

[urban horizon]

Sounds about right so if the issue is getting one shot then dodge say 70% dodge will save you more often than 35% dr if the hit kills you anyway after the mitigation. GB bladedancer (full investment) can achieve 92 health gained when GB happens so any hit below 92 is being mitigated completely and if we only use passives then any hit below 32 is completely mitigated

[vapid aspen]

also depends on the flavour of BD you play. Dual wield imo should always go apostacy because you don't have any other layers and oneshots are super common. Block BD though can get away without going full GB.

[amber cedar]

The problem is when you look at what damage you're actually dodging

Most of it is trivial and dodge is doing nothing for you

The times you absolutely must dodge you'd rather have 100% glancing blow over 20% chance of dying outright

And it's those times that matter, not dodging 80% of tiny hits in monolith rushing

[tidal sandal]

Thats all rng, and the reality is you have the same chacne to dodge 1000 damage hit and a 20 damage hit, its not true that its always trivial damage, it is true that just as often as you dodge trivial damage you also dodge massive damage

[amber cedar]

There is objectively much more trivial (i.e. will not one-shot you) damage than situations with one-shot potential

[tidal sandal]

Of course, but your chance to dodge it is the same.

[amber cedar]

To your last point, you 80% dodge massive damage, and 20% you die

[tidal sandal]

Yeah, its not viable if you cant survive massive damage that isnt avoidable

[amber cedar]

I've tried and tried to stick with dodge to level 90+ and 200+ corruption and it's so painful, I genuinely can't see how to make it work

[tidal sandal]

you have to have a lot of health and other forms of survivability

[amber cedar]

The sheer suffix + point investment alone is insane

Going GB you get about 10 passive points back and room for other suffixes

[tidal sandal]

I dont think you need all that much investment to get 34% dodge.

[amber cedar]

Oh no, you don't. I'm talking maintaining 70-80% dodge

[tidal sandal]

Right, Im saying if you can survive large hits that are unavoidable, any dodge above 33% is strictly better than Gb

(of 100%)

I think Gb has its place for sure, I just think its definitely not the only choice.

[amber cedar]

Perhaps

I'm at a point with enough health, resists, and crit avoidance, investing into dodge a lot vs investing into dodge a little and doubling that chance as GB just feels much better on the GB side

[vapid aspen]

GB has a very powerful place in corsair set or bastion builds

because you can stack both health on block and health on gb

and at that point dodge becomes actively bad

you can essentially use those to negate anything that is under a certain threshold

[tidal sandal]

Yeah, with enough things happening on GB its definitely very strong

[brittle atlas]

because you can cap or close to cap glancing blow and keep dodge

which provides much higher average defense against the most common form of dangerous incoming damage

which is a barrage of many small hits

and you can achieve reasonably high dodge without using any item affixes

imo, 80-100% glancing and 40% ish dodge is way better than 100% glancing and 0% dodge

[vapid aspen]

The health on gb+block setup is also extremely good vs that same scenario

[brittle atlas]

You can still have that

you just also have ~40% chance to take 0 damage

instead of taking reduced damage

[vapid aspen]

depends on magnitude of your reduction and stuff too, but sometimes dodge is also a 40% chance to heal for 0.

[brittle atlas]

I can't think of many cases where you would heal for more damage than you would take where you would ever be in danger regardless of that healing

[vapid aspen]

assuming that the barrage of hits is all the same size sure

[brittle atlas]

in situations where that healing is relevant, it's acting as effectively flat damage reduction

I'd argue 100% DR from dodging is going to be superior to whatever % effective DR that healing is providing

though

having dodge doesn't exclude that healing, just some of it

but you also potentially don't need the healing at all if you dodge the big hit

though generally any hit big enough to threaten a 1-shot is something you can just avoid manually

which is IMO why 1-shot ehp is pretty irrelevant atm in LE

if you have like 20-30k 1-shot ehp you're good for basically any unavoidable damage scenario

even into super high corruption levels

and if your goal is only like 300 corruption and T4 dungeons you don't even need that much

[vapid aspen]

if you get up to like 40% reduction from block, 60% from endurance, 40% from armour, 35% from gb, and you can get fairly easily 100 health on gb/block total that is any hit under 1000 heals you.

1400 if you are moving

[brittle atlas]

any hit under 1000 can't kill you anyways because leech exists and blows all other forms of recovery out of the water

while also being effective against DoT

like, health on gb/block is good as effective DR

but imo not so good to be worth giving up an extra layer of low investment defense

in dodge

[vapid aspen]

depends on if you can access leech easily

[brittle atlas]

so I'd almost always stick to high glancing and some dodge rather than capped glancing no dodge

though you can still cap glancing on demand basically via smoke bomb

[vapid aspen]

I think it's mostly pure throwing builds that can't get the leech easily?

[brittle atlas]

BD has 5% throwing leech in tree

2% on helm

[vapid aspen]

?

[brittle atlas]

5% leech and 50% rate

[vapid aspen]

melee leech

[brittle atlas]

hmmm I could have sworn it was melee and throwing

[brittle atlas]

ye in that case, helmet, blessing probably

and obv antidote vial relic

[vapid aspen]

not stolen tithe?

[brittle atlas]

if you have access to an lp one, woven flesh

I like vial more personally

leech rate is really nice

[vapid aspen]

it has a similar effect to inc leech tho

not sure what threshold would be offhand but if you have high rate you probs are strictly better off with inc leech

also I tend to avoid rate on hit builds

[brittle atlas]

https://i.imgur.com/FOfnwND.png

some quick maths

fixed 🙂

[vapid aspen]

so... I was right... technically.

[brittle atlas]

ye, depends on how much of other leech related stats you end up with

so for throwing specifically, where you probably don't care to use bleeding heart or have access more flat leech options

tithe is better for both total and per second

[vapid aspen]

I do personally prefer longer leeches though on any hit build

especially melee

[brittle atlas]

I'm basically always looking for highest rate personally, I want that quick snap back to full hp as soon as possible after a hit

[vapid aspen]

for dots I would take rate yeah

[brittle atlas]

the total healing isn't super important to me, since in a lot of cases you're going to have a total healing that massively exceeds your hp

[vapid aspen]

the more gradual leech just is more comfortable for situations where both dots and hits are involved on you

having your hp spike up and down too much just is a bit risky

IE I'd rather have my hp/s be slightly higher than my incoming dot/s

[brittle atlas]

I guess it depends how quickly you're going reapply a new leech instance after you'd hit full hp

on a slower hitting build that needs that instance to last until the next hit I can agree

[vapid aspen]

Yeah for like a billion attack speed doesn't matter

for maybe like SD though if you are only stacking melee leech I'd be scared to go rate

[tender marsh]

is there a reason to do dungeons over more monoliths?
are they better for exp or certain farms or nah?

[native sail]

Dungeons have specific rewards tied to them. Lightless Arbor is a gold sink that can spit out tons of runes, uniques, and items. Temporal Sanctum is used for making legendary items and (provided the right modifier is on that day) exalted item farming. Soulfire Bastion is used for g a m b l i n g

[tender marsh]

ty, i guess i will keep on doing monoliths for now

[native sail]

Aye. They're usually done for a specific reason, eventually you're likely to dip into all of them, most often I would guess Sanctum or Arbor

[tender marsh]

yea, rn I'm trying to get the core uniques for my build
not optimizing the rest of the gear yet

[native sail]

Fair, fair.

Whatcha playing and looking for?

[tender marsh]

the squirrel builds by Action RPG

looking for the helm

came back to LE after year break

[native sail]

Ah. In that case, good luck, squirrel helm is one of the rarest items in the game iirc. I think top 10?

[tender marsh]

I did not know that

[native sail]

I have gotten all other helmets in the game though

It's a 70% reroll chance, which when it comes to helmets only has 2 drops rarer than it

[tender marsh]

currently using bleed sweep with wolfs/frenzy/warcry
and double taste of blood for weapons
its serviceable but i didn't realise i will have to use it for that long

[native sail]

Wow that screenshot looks awful compared to on screen

[tender marsh]

What does reroll chance mean?

[native sail]

The way the game handles drops all uniques have a chance to be rerolled into a different unique, that's the chance of it

[arctic jacinth]

Is the game complete in terms of "campaign/story mode" btw? Last i checked it still lacked a few chapters?

[native sail]

https://lastepoch.tunklab.com/uniques

[native sail]

Still missing 3 chapters I think?

[midnight timber]

Still 3 chapters to come, last I heard

[native sail]

So we getting there, but not quite done

[arctic jacinth]

thanks thanks. I'll wait (proll a long time but that's ok) for it to be complete~ in terms of that. Or if they buff my boi Shaman

[native sail]

I think Shaman tree is intended to be reworked in the future

[arctic jacinth]

Yeah. Unsure but I heard from a devstream in YT. Shaman will be reworked but not a priority atm.

[native sail]

Sounds about right. They're gunning for 0.9 before other things right now

Their other reworks have gone very well in the past so I expect them to treat Shaman pretty nicely

[tender marsh]

so, when you drop a unique, it takes one from the pool that don't have reroll chance
Then it does another rng whether its gonna keep it or take one from the second pool of uniques with reroll chance?

[native sail]

Not sure if it takes from the pool without a chance or if it just rolls the item one time to determine if it gets yoinked to another item or stays as-is. Might need to ask devs for clarification on that.

[tidal sandal]

No wonder I havent gotten a VIlatrias crown yet

been wondering why that thing is so elusive

[native sail]

Want one of mine?

[tender marsh]

dang, i was pretty excited to come back and try the squirrels
wondering if i should try a different build and come back to this when i get the helm by accident

[native sail]

Just party with me in March, I get all the helmets except the one I want

[tidal sandal]

Im down lul, not for the helm but for fun.

[native sail]

Primalist has many viable builds so that's completely fair

[midnight timber]

plenty of fun beastmaster builds 🙂 can always play a BM and then switch to squirrels when you get the helm

[tidal sandal]

Also very viable without the squirrel helm.

I got a squirrel helm on my wolf BM and dont plan to equip it.

[native sail]

Everyone gets the damn squirrels except me

[tidal sandal]

The rarest item i have is probably Bastion, not sure where the squirrel helm lies

[native sail]

I have a 1LP Jungle Queens

[tidal sandal]

but Ive got 1 Squirrel Helm, 1 bastion, and a 3lp edict of flames which seemed neat

[native sail]

Also I have dropped Paranoia not once, not twice, but THRICE

[tidal sandal]

was an awesome zombie dragon kill, got my 70% CA blessing, a bastion, and a 3lp edict of flames off one kill

[tender marsh]

yea, im using hybrid bleed sweep/wolf rn
its fine but bit tired of it

what are y'all fav builds?
for some inspiration

[native sail]

SHIELD RUSH

[tidal sandal]

Im using lightning swipre + cold wolves.

was hard to pass up the 130% lightning penetration + 30 penetration from dual wielding crescent axes

[native sail]

Fair enough

[tidal sandal]

Definitely doesnt seem the most potent of a build, esp since bleed squirrels is probably kinda broken

but its fun and i dont have to have squirrels

[native sail]

From what I have seen, bleed squirrels are disgusting

[tidal sandal]

Yeah, I just dont want to turn my cool wolves into squirrels

[pastel pebble]

Your wolves aren't strong enough to be squirrels anyways

[tidal sandal]

lul

theyre stronger there just is only 6 of them isntead of 10

sad 😦

[pastel pebble]

What happens when you dismiss these nuts

[tender marsh]

What are some good lich builds rn?
checked my old character and it uh, ain't doing well