🔪┃rogue

[flint turret]

Jesus

75% more damage for cascade kekw

[lime folio]

75% with 100 brutality

[keen snow]

Do we know if skills that get, say, 4% inc damage per strength will also get 4% inc per brutality or not?

[flint turret]

Yeah but still

[lime folio]

yes, you keep it

[sage canyon]

BRUTAL BUILD

[flint turret]

Almost as good as guile

[lime folio]

for cascade, with 100 str, it'd be like trading 400% increased armor for 75% more melee damage

[sage canyon]

no armor

only dmg

[lime folio]

you are losing the armor from str

[flint turret]

You are getting almost double damage

[lime folio]

not saying it's bad, just stating the trade in stats

[sage canyon]

doesnt need it with silver shrouds dodge and full screen aoe oneshot/stun

[flint turret]

Loosing armor is a bit sad but it's all about dodge now anyway with the set helm affix

You will have capped gb and like 80% dodge most of the time

On top of a buff to cascade damage efficiency it's already spiraling out of control

And discord body too

[lime folio]

cascade spiraling, we're in the theme

sounds like working as intended 😁

[flint turret]

Spiraling is the channel one and it's still be terrible probably, they didn't even mention the damage efficiency buff to throwing cascade

Because it's a different subskill with own dmg eff

[lime folio]

i guess you'd try to fit a 1x4, 4x1, 1x3, 3x1, 2x2, then either a 1x2 or 2x1 and finally a 1x1

there's probably an idol altar where that would fit

[flint turret]

4x1 doesn't do anything good neither 2x2 neither 3x1

Well 3x1 is more or less okay

[lime folio]

on what did you want to abuse wings of discord?

[flint turret]

1x4 and the new omen 1x3

That's like 4 of 1x4 we have now from 7 slots

[eager mason]

lol what is that brutality change

[zenith bridge]

Problem is, misha shows you in 5min cause offline while trikster shows you in 1 week cause legit online gameplay 😜

[eager mason]

at 20% more brutality was already worth

[flint turret]

It's giga broken in terms of damage

[eager mason]

does anyone know if sync cascades or the shift work with mana cost more damage

I dont wanna test it

[flint turret]

Wdym

[zenith sequoia]

It will take her a week to get the best version of each build too

[flint turret]

It should work on triggered stuff

The wording heavily implies it because it's not per mana spend or consumed

[zenith sequoia]

all I know is starting Friday I'm going to start getting planners in my discord DMs

[eager mason]

yeah but still cant be sure with spaghetti code

[zenith sequoia]

it says mana cost and I imagine it's on use

[zenith bridge]

I can test for you when i come home from work. Cant remember.

[eager mason]

tyty

big for LM tho for sure

some more buffs and it might one shot uber

[flint turret]

ll cleaver stacking str meta?

[sage canyon]

If lucky, sometimes weeks

[flint turret]

Nwm they ruined it with set helm affix

[zenith bridge]

Haha sorry misha i was just messing around 😗

[sage canyon]

Hahah ik

[eager mason]

I was looking at ll cascade had to drop shattered worlds and a red ring for the set

[sage canyon]

Im preparing to sit on 40 planners next week

[eager mason]

and cant even run the dusk shroud part

[eager mason]

unless they kill it in patch notes I know what Im playing second

Prayge

[sage canyon]

Wait why do u want set on cascade? Isnt it brickig the 4shadow thingy

[crimson latch]

which class are you going to try 1st?

[sage canyon]

Warlock and abom for sure

[zenith sequoia]

think it gives you just enough using shift?

or maybe it was 1 short I forget

[eager mason]

I mean they said they are changing it

its gonna be like if you have 3 minimum shadows

[sage canyon]

Oh they changing it? I thought they gonna buggix and thats all

Hmmm icic

[flint turret]

I thought it's fobba work differently now

[eager mason]

maybe I understood it wrong

if you have 3 points in it, on 3+ or = shadows you get the damage right?

instead of exactly 3

[cobalt mantle]

Yup, so you'll always want to max it now if you can

[sage canyon]

im confused isnt it huge buff with more shadow generations

why do they need to offset

[zenith sequoia]

I mean if you always shadow gen it's a buff in total damage, but it's a loss in dps no?

[eager mason]

all I know is you just swap to this

and skill is pretty much the same

except for shift procs without set or dancing strike proc

[sage canyon]

all i want is this+template buff+reliquary nest

👀

[eager mason]

yeah I think they are gonna nerf some 4x1 1x4 enchants

they were balanced around having 2

[sage canyon]

did u just say they were balancing something?

🤨

[eager mason]

its like poe 1 lvls of evade when you combine it with dodge

[sage canyon]

i mean checks out

they introduce more zhp tools

and buff zhp defense layers

1 time might be a mistake 2 times more like a coincidence

[eager mason]

game checks if you dodged then takes your silver shroud right? its been 7 months I dont remember

[flint turret]

Yeah it should be right

[sage canyon]

imagine paradoxic class for 20$ on rogue with specialty bonus 50% chance to not consume silver shroud

[flint turret]

They should just make silver not consuming if you dodge naturally first consistent

Because it works weird

Most of the time it's gets consumed but sometimes not

And sometimes you even die with silver shroud from a hit

[sage canyon]

they shdoul

just delete it from the game

periodt

add smth else

[eager mason]

if they give me a defensive layer that is not conditional instead of silver shroud I would be ok with that

[sage canyon]

you already have GB

and crimson shroud

rogue has more than enough dr levels

or make silver shroud to guarantee GB and not consume all stacks at once, ez fix

[eager mason]

you dont have 100% gb

[sage canyon]

u do with dusk shrouds

[eager mason]

bows do and dive bomb stuff when they are not moving

[sage canyon]

but ye not on all builds

[eager mason]

thats about it

with new helm its more builds for sure tho

except for ll

[sage canyon]

but rogue is very tanky as it is now imo

[eager mason]

not without gear

[zenith sequoia]

you can get block fairly easily at least

[eager mason]

I had this conversation couple days ago here so I dont wanna go over it again, hc ladder explains everything

[zenith sequoia]

idk about rogue being tanky

just thinking about my Necro and healthy hp pool, ward pool, capped block, capped armor, might even be able to throw in some dodge tbh 😛

[eager mason]

new shield is really nice

but I dont think you drop the damage from second dagger sadly

[zenith sequoia]

I mean in HC probably 😛

especially with that block effect dex node

[eager mason]

yeah in hc you go that shield set helm and the ring

corsair

[zenith sequoia]

well actually you might his block effect cap with the shield lmao

[eager mason]

you cant put 2 different set affixes on same item right

I havent played a set build yet

[zenith sequoia]

correct

as of now at least (idk about corrupts)

[eager mason]

yeah then you go corsair helm for sure instead of the new one

guarantee 100% block

[zenith sequoia]

would you convert your GB?

[eager mason]

so lets say you have 120ms

thats 3,376 block effect without an affix

isnt that like 60+ mitigation

I would take that over gb

[zenith sequoia]

oof 86% without GB convert 🙁

no I meant

having both sorry

I thought there might be enough block %

[eager mason]

yeah I tried capping block without it before

its like you have to get ring affixes and shit

and still really hard

[sage canyon]

That is 100% fine in arpgs

[zenith sequoia]

yeah no max t7 on all block slots

falconer passive

blessing and using the value of that new shield

it's 86% (or 90% on falconer)

[sage canyon]

But imo just bake silver as 2nd layer gb and increase generation

[zenith sequoia]

block is better

[sage canyon]

As long as its not guaranteed dodge all good

For block u need block efrect doesnt make sense on rog

[zenith sequoia]

think rogues can cap block effect

they get movement speed scaling and dex scaling

[sage canyon]

Not on base tree

[eager mason]

misha did you test bleed falconer with volca

do you remember how much damage it does

[zenith sequoia]

yeah it's on Falconer

[sage canyon]

Silver shroud should be jndependent of gear as a base class mechanic

[zenith sequoia]

still block better than GB

[sage canyon]

Not much iirc lower than 20 mil

[eager mason]

only rogue build I can think of that can use shield in sc is bleed

[sage canyon]

Ye but if silver works like gb then u get both gb and silver

Which is a lot of dr

[sage canyon]

Acid flask wirks

I even tested it last season

[coarse inlet]

Big day for Rogues!

Who's hyped? 😉

[sage canyon]

Big day for abomination not rogues

[eager mason]

I guess it can crit cap without traitors

[sage canyon]

Yep base body and other sources

[eager mason]

missing just the multi and lvls

[sage canyon]

And weapon Firestarter

[eager mason]

oh but you lose the helm too if you got set

[sage canyon]

How?

What helmet

You go exalted anyways

Just seal t1 set affix

[eager mason]

is that with shattered worlds

[zenith sequoia]

what you mean?

[zenith sequoia]

Hoping the necro stuff is there but I'll survive if not

[sage canyon]

My suggestion is to replace current silver shroud with gurant3ed 2nd gb instead of guaranteed dodge. Then increase amount of shrouds and separate stacks so they dont all consume

Solves the zhp bs but still op

[zenith sequoia]

oh, I was talking about current rogue for people playing like HC or whatever

[eager mason]

I was talking about peak

but Im guessing you have shattered

[zenith sequoia]

Rogue just needs an additional layer that's not completely mitigating damage and isn't competing with GB or like dodge chance is lucky idk

[sage canyon]

Yes

It should be in my planner

As variation

[eager mason]

yeah with shattered it should work

[desert bridge]

More excited for spellblade updates personally, but definitely curious to see some nodes for the new skills!

[eager mason]

if you run unique shield + set you cant run the prim chest tho

so you need to go life

[eager mason]

cant see it

[sage canyon]

Are casc/sync strike usable without dw? If so can do that too with brutality buffs

[desert bridge]

A node that is "reduced damage taken per dusk shroud" or something

[eager mason]

yeah you can indirect cast cascade with two hand

[zenith sequoia]

it would have to be quite small lmao

[desert bridge]

Or just have a cap

[eager mason]

you were able to snap shot and swap weapon to two handed and indirect cast it

[zenith sequoia]

one is, one isn't

[desert bridge]

that seems super busted, lol

[zenith sequoia]

cascade requires dw for direct cast, sync just req melee

is there no benefit for guile and like Dive Bomb or Smoke Bomb? Idk how that build used to work

ew and you have to use a spear, nvm lmao

[eager mason]

you want guile on builds where you dont have the affix for cooldown

most of the rogue stuff already run 2x t7 cdr so getting guile on top of that doesnt do much

[zenith sequoia]

I just was looking at movement converted skills mostly

and trying to think of interesting use cases

[sage canyon]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/e16td0ql#4

not updated for primordials

cause w.e

[sage canyon]

ye so sync spam should be fine

with 1h

[zenith sequoia]

omg I meant cascade req dw

[eager mason]

yeah only thing is you lose the more damage from cascade

[sage canyon]

yep just need to do math

and gg

[zenith sequoia]

okay so what will be the winner of today's reveal? Bladestorm, Umbral, or Rend?

[zenith bridge]

Cinder strike

[eager mason]

holy

[lime folio]

dont think EHG knows that skill exists

[zenith bridge]

We can ask derrick:)

[kind adder]

Please God

I want it to be cool so badly

[desert bridge]

Falcon punch build will get its day in the sun eventually

[kind adder]

Probably have to rework the gloves for that. It's a really awkward interaction to pump ranks to your falcon to pump damage of CS imo

[flint turret]

I think throwing cascade can work because you crit cap it with set relic

Or rend maybe

[eager mason]

throwing makes more sense

melee loses half its flat damage

and attack speed

[zenith sequoia]

is throw cascade even good?

[eager mason]

but I guess with the buffs might not even matter

[eager mason]

smk has couple vids with it

but its snapshot

[flint turret]

It's good

[zenith sequoia]

oh and channeling I assume

channeling should spiral, on cast should shotgun and be directional

[flint turret]

Channeling only if you are either masochistic or going full meme

[eager mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ahMLh5LxOg

[zenith sequoia]

oh this is both tho

[flint turret]

Throwing kinda makes sense with shield now probably, because you want to have all affixes t7 throw which are prefixes, and shield fixes your defences

[zenith sequoia]

120k throwing hit is nice

[eager mason]

if you are going with the set you cant run the ll chest tho

or I guess in sc you can play without capped block

[flint turret]

This one in particular is dead, cascade now only with sync

[flint turret]

I don't think set is worth it

Relic for crit cap and helm for consume is nice tho

[eager mason]

I meant corsair

for capped block

[flint turret]

I'd prefer new unique

[eager mason]

oh he doesnt convert melee part

does the daggers shotgun

[sage canyon]

its bad

[eager mason]

last time I played this was like 1.0

[sage canyon]

x.x

[flint turret]

They don't

1 per enemy

[eager mason]

yeah makes sense than

[zenith sequoia]

yeah that's why I was saying it'd be better if the normal behavior on full convert was directional and shotguns

[cobalt mantle]

No, you can hit with the melee + 1 dagger though lol

[flint turret]

I don't think cascade suffers from the lack of single target damage tbh

[eager mason]

from what I remember tho the melee part gets throwing tag but it doesnt scale with throwing damage

all the throwing cost and aoe stuff work but not throwing damage

[zenith sequoia]

I meant the dagger convert, not cascade as a whole

[cobalt mantle]

Melee part doesn't get the throwing tag exactly, but the skill overall does yes

[flint turret]

That's why I'm saying that cascade already has huge single target, why make it more

Daggers do increase aoe significantly tho

[zenith sequoia]

even when you remove melee?

I'm talking about the node right before the channel

[flint turret]

I know what node you are talking about but I'm not getting your point

Melee cascade = DPS, throwing = aoe

If you make throwing directional shotgun you are making DPS even better and aoe even worse

[zenith sequoia]

I'm saying if you remove the melee the daggers should shotgun to compensate for the loss of hits

[flint turret]

If you make it shotgun it would basically be x5 dps

On big targets

Even more

And what loss of hits are you referring too

[lime folio]

haha, shadow rend with movement tag ;p

maybe the guile build is there

[flint turret]

Do you mean that you won't be able to stack as many shred with full convers as if you have melee+throwing? That's true yeah

[zenith sequoia]

when you remove the melee it's you + shadows amount of hits, with it it's double. I'm not saying the skill would be as is. I was just saying the dagger convert could be better or buffed

make it less daggers, not as much multi, etc. I was just saying it would be interesting to see it shotgun and then revert back with channeling since it attacks so fast then anyway

[flint turret]

20 manacost baseline for rend

brutality caps at 20, coincidence?

[lime folio]

oh damn, up to 60% resummon shadow chance

[zenith bridge]

Bladestorm 18 mana cost damn

[zenith sequoia]

jesus the bladestorm explosion lmao

[flint turret]

falconer it is?

[zenith bridge]

prob better yea

[zenith sequoia]

oof

the shuriken consume lmaoooo

[bold brook]

this sounds really fun for cascade

[zenith sequoia]

ain't no way the acid flask and bladestorm stuff...

[flint turret]

i dont understand how ghost blades work, anyone?

[zenith sequoia]

hitting enemies get stacks

up to 9

and they are consume 3 per sec to proc the blades

[bold brook]

hitting with rend grants stacks, moving consumes stacks to throw blades that apply shadow daggers

[flint turret]

1 stack = 1 dagger? can we get more than 1 per hit?

[lime folio]

up to 3

[zenith sequoia]

you get x stacks per point per hit

[bold brook]

you get 3 with 3 points invested

[zenith bridge]

Ok so i wont play bladestorm as main dmg dealer. Ill go shuriken and let bladestorm proc them aswell as additional dmg and to also sustain mana issues

[pearl forge]

think you can get a lot of shadow rends

[flint turret]

ah okay

[zenith sequoia]

you can get 3 stacks per hit, get 9 max

[zenith bridge]

bladestorm also has same base mechanics as in the current version

[zenith sequoia]

then it procs a blade every sec

[pearl forge]

on the video we saw 2 and the attack speed could be increase3d i guess

[flint turret]

so 3 daggers per rend at most and each dagger apply 1 stack

[zenith bridge]

and bladestorm never dealt big single target dmg

[zenith sequoia]

it's an attack itself too

[zenith bridge]

so all dmg will come from deadly aim shurikens

[zenith sequoia]

doesn't just apply shadow daggers

[flint turret]

basically 3\4 of SD hit from 1 rend at most not that impressive

[eager mason]

they for sure nerfed flask

[lime folio]

would shurikens every 1.5s be enough?

[zenith sequoia]

but it's an attack itself so we have to see if it's good

[flint turret]

probably similar to burning daggers which suck

[zenith sequoia]

probably

[zenith bridge]

even if its only every 1.5s. Thats 3 bladestorms casting your skill for you for additional dmg. Should still be huge for bossing

deadly aim shurikens can alrdy melt bosses

[zenith sequoia]

but the mana cost

is pretty hefty no?

[zenith bridge]

its fine, bring shuriken down to 0, use sapping strikes and spec into bladestorm duration

[zenith sequoia]

it's minimum 4 mana consume

can't be 0

[zenith bridge]

the consume will not benefit from sapping, but we do with self cast shurikens

bladestorm is just support for proc

[zenith sequoia]

oh gotchu

[zenith bridge]

oh man i cant wait, this i gonna be sick

will prob respec from throwing star shuriken to deadly aim, just to switch from mapping to bossing setup

Rend i cant say anything, i just need to play the skill to get a feeling

[zenith sequoia]

ew wait ghost blades is only on hit with the shadow's attack?

[sage canyon]

" It delivers a powerful, delayed strike. This allows her to stay mobile while maintaining control on the battlefield." how does this work?

[zenith bridge]

nooooo they added Precision Cuts targeting behaviour to base UB 🙁 That actually nerfs my UB build

[eager mason]

ai description

[zenith sequoia]

they changed node to revert tho

[flint turret]

not a single new more damage node for rend rip

[zenith bridge]

ah nice, misread that!

[eager mason]

how bad is it

[zenith sequoia]

are we not stoked about the blade explosion tho lmao

[eager mason]

idk how this skill works without bladestorm

[zenith bridge]

all good didnt change anything

UB is pure recall now i guess

[eager mason]

they only showed 1 node

[zenith bridge]

so i guess there arent many changes

[zenith sequoia]

I'm hoping we have like 6-ish new nodes still to see on that tree

[eager mason]

wonder if we get any trigger stuff

[zenith bridge]

would like to know if UB still has Sword Thrower and shadow dagger node

[zenith sequoia]

the shadow sustain and UB retrigger is going to be nice af tho

[zenith bridge]

but yea this new node is great for SC

[zenith sequoia]

would be nice if they buffed the shadow dmg multi for no reason too

[flint turret]

wording suggests that bladestorms with bladeshield should be casting bladeshields on themselves?

[zenith bridge]

damn SC got huge buffs this season 🤣

[flint turret]

or is it just me

[zenith bridge]

i wanna play something new, but they make SC so tempting again

[eager mason]

does that mean the position before they were recalled

[zenith sequoia]

yupp

[bold brook]

I would think so ya

[zenith bridge]

the spread wasnt that far right? so SC overlap should still work for additional dmg

so shadows are not dropping bladestorms anymore from Rend skill description

[sage canyon]

acid flask buffs?

[eager mason]

so you create 4 shadows with sync you shift it uses cascade and the shadows might appear at the same place

[flint turret]

im not impressed by today reveals tbh

[eager mason]

I think so

[flint turret]

its only 20% so its basically less than 1 shadow on average per rotation

unless

wait wait

[zenith sequoia]

you also could get shadow gen on kill

[kind adder]

You can get it to 60 I thought?

[zenith sequoia]

if only that node was on boss/rare hit too

[flint turret]

what about AA with razorboots, wont it create a massime amount of shadows now potentially

[kind adder]

Weren't there three points to that skill?

[zenith sequoia]

actually yes lmao

[bold brook]

2

[zenith sequoia]

what's the amount of dex you need for good shadow gen?

[flint turret]

10 umbrals per aa, 20% for a shadow

[eager mason]

good for recall

[kind adder]

Oh was thinking of the shadow rend node

Nvm

[eager mason]

you create 20% of the umbrals on the ground after you shift recall

[flint turret]

you can just attack

[eager mason]

dont you prefer assaulting instead of attacking

and recall all at the same time

for bossing ofc

[flint turret]

dunno

[zenith sequoia]

targeting is near impossible with shift

[flint turret]

but selfcast umbrals are getting buffed for sho

[sage canyon]

yep lmfao, brutality fix was more exciting than anything shown

[zenith sequoia]

I'm the only one excited about bladestorm explode

smh

[sage canyon]

you dont even know numbers

how can u be excite

qq

[zenith sequoia]

500% dmg effect?

what

excuse me

[flint turret]

there was no mention even of shadows mimicking bladestorms

[sage canyon]

ye and smelter wrath has 800%

is it good?

[zenith sequoia]

smelter way diff

can't spam and has charge up lmao

[sage canyon]

still my point is that you need to see the whole treee, so far mechanically wise nothing looks impressive

but brutality is giga

so rogue op

[zenith sequoia]

I'm blocking Misha until she apologizes when patch notes drop

😛

[sage canyon]

kekeke

nooooo

[flint turret]

icicles on row also have 500%, and you shoot dozens of them per second and the dps is still mid

[zenith sequoia]

on what

[sage canyon]

im bummed out we are capped only at 3 storms

[zenith sequoia]

oh but that's a spell

[sage canyon]

maybe we get a lego or affix for +1

or +2 ideally

[zenith sequoia]

bladestorm explosion is a subskill and throwing

[flint turret]

maybe there are nodes for more than 3

[sage canyon]

well my idea was playing it like traps put themaround, and just run

[zenith bridge]

so you can recall 14-16 UBs. Does the 10% shadow chance per point on Calling Card count for each UB dagger?

[zenith sequoia]

I think so

[brittle blaze]

Aye you cooking already? You always make banger builds

[zenith sequoia]

since it's specific to that blade's location

[flint turret]

it shoulkd right? and its 20% with 2 points

[zenith bridge]

bladestorm shuriken will prob be my starter. The interaction already sounds very good

[lime folio]

wouldnt there be something to do with the 60% chance to resummon shadows with Rend after they cascade/multishot?
might be easier as a bow build

[lime folio]

even if shadows cant use bladestorm?

[flint turret]

it says "recalled blades"

[zenith sequoia]

why wouldn't they be able to?

[flint turret]

not "recalling"

[lime folio]

i dont know if they can, dont think it was said

that was the question

[zenith sequoia]

it's a throwing attack, so they should

[zenith bridge]

yes we should have enough attack speed so that both mapping and bossing feels good while rotating both skills

bladestorm prob enough for mapping, shuriken for additional single target dps

+mana generator

both scale the same way

clear speed should be insane with bladestorm + throwing star shuriken proc

problem with throwing star node was, the projectiles couldnt shotgun

now all bladestorms can proc shurikens for multiple hits

[eager mason]

we dont know if aerial drops bladestorms now right?

surely they change it

[zenith sequoia]

doubtful 😛

[zenith bridge]

its gonna be only UB blades

[flint turret]

dunno, so far im thinking about sync-rend rotation, which should be close to to sync spam dps but less mana hungry

[zenith bridge]

im pretty sure about that, node will be the same

[zenith sequoia]

in the same boat

[flint turret]

you sync, 4 shadows, you rend, some shadows are resummoned, you sync and consume shadows with waveof darkness and put out new 4

[zenith sequoia]

think you take the movement removal for the shadow resummon node

[flint turret]

dunno if its worth the skill slot between cascade and sync tho

[zenith bridge]

ragu you know what also makes me wanna play falconer over bd? skill synergies that im missing with bd

[zenith sequoia]

for st it is no?

[flint turret]

like what

[zenith sequoia]

actually idk, 60% hmmm

[eager mason]

bro I need to see this stuff on planner

[zenith sequoia]

does the shift dmg bonuses apply to your shadows?

[zenith bridge]

at the least the bird passively giving me some buffs or debuffs when i stick with shuriken/bladestorm combo and prob smoke bomb for traversal

i mean what do you want to add for BD

[zenith sequoia]

if so that's another buff for SC and even MS

[zenith bridge]

its like my chakram build where i only press 3 buttons and decoy + LM for placeholder^^

[sage canyon]

is it actually big deeps?

[flint turret]

there is also mark for 150% more damage

[sage canyon]

idk i tied to cook smth with ub recall it was meh

[zenith sequoia]

100m crits on dummy

JUSE has vid

[sage canyon]

in how many seconds

[zenith bridge]

need to ask or test, otherwise we would have max shadows out instantly

[sage canyon]

well he is falconer

isnt he

[zenith sequoia]

it's like sub 30 sec kill

oh yeah

think so

[sage canyon]

yea i thought trikster is self cast no falcon

on falconer i know the setup

[zenith sequoia]

kk

[sage canyon]

and if they cap the ub amount then juse is fcked

we will se

[bold brook]

you think there will be anything to lightning rend? Black Blade dex stacking is the only synergy that comes to mind

[zenith sequoia]

actually toxic if they do

[sage canyon]

based

no UNCAPPED NODES

literally the plague of le

[eager mason]

I dont think Im theorycrafting until patch notes

need to see this shit in planner

[sage canyon]

i theorycrafted warlock a bit

[zenith sequoia]

gonna be disappointed

[zenith bridge]

prob to make elemental arrow passive stacking more viable for bow version. Easier to scale dmg when you go %inc elemental dmg. Otherwise you need to mix phys + elemental, since the arrows add flat ele bonus

[zenith sequoia]

when planners don't have anything until season start

[bold brook]

oh ya the bow version, forgot

[zenith bridge]

also BD has lightning support with fulgurite dagger

+and LM

[eager mason]

I mean maxroll had it instantly last season

[lime folio]

so the winner of the rogue reveal day is mage 😈

[zenith sequoia]

yeah but idol stuff gonna be kinda crazy to implement

that's a pretty big overhaul

but it's limited idol altars so maybe not that bad

[spring star]

I too am pretty excited for some shuriken nonsense. It's on of my favorite skills to play

[eager mason]

I can wait on the idol stuff

[zenith sequoia]

hopefully they do the skill/passive updates and then batch the other stuff later

[eager mason]

you run random idols for couple days anyways

[zenith sequoia]

is no one caring at all about multishot tho?

[zenith bridge]

i think this multishot node on Rend will feel terrible. Giant slayer will prob still be the go to dmg source. Shadows will prob be generated in an awkward position where all 17 arrows cant hit a boss

[zenith sequoia]

if you use rend and shift for shadow gen with set you can get free crit and even more dmg

[zenith bridge]

and multishot you just wanna spam

[eager mason]

yeah I dont have hope for multishot

unless they make non melee viable

[zenith bridge]

i mean multishot will get insane dmg bonus with 4x 4x1 idols

will not be top tier, but still a decent buff

why do i use insane and decent^^ i have to decide. lets call it decent

[eager mason]

multishot is supposed to be a clearing skill

and best version of the skill being melee is

...

[zenith sequoia]

what is multishot aps?

[zenith bridge]

tbf multishot is not bad. I pushed to 1k, i saw someone pushing it to 2k. Lizard played it. Its just far away from the current stier builds. But to be fair the dmg on s-tier builds are just broken

[zenith sequoia]

might even say screw giant slayer

[zenith bridge]

we are just used to insane power creep

but i agree its the stupid melee positioning that i dont like on squishy mm

[zenith sequoia]

do you know the aps?

[zenith bridge]

cant tell, but it was high enough to perma stun bosses up to 700c

[flint turret]

even the day of rogue reveals didnt reveal if rend is actually viable smh

we are getting blueballed fr

[zenith bridge]

rend is super hard to theorycraft. We just have to play and get a feel for it

its like mana stacking DA. Yeah the numbers look good and you can oneshot abby, but the playstyle is just awful

[flint turret]

well at least we know it can fit between sync and cascade with shadows resummon

[zenith sequoia]

the aps looks pretty low on the maxroll MS build

[eager mason]

dont forget repeats

and the more node with reduced as

[zenith sequoia]

do we know how it works with shadows?

[flint turret]

im more leaning to the bow rend still tho

with the hydra

[zenith bridge]

ill join you with 2nd char

[eager mason]

oh repeats are direct

[zenith bridge]

yea they changed the node to balance it out against channel flurry

[zenith sequoia]

yeah but some directs will work even with shadows

[eager mason]

thats also direct

so I guess you dont need either of them to calc aps

nah nvm Im confused

[zenith sequoia]

pretty sure directs don't matter for shadows

well except for the double shot

[zenith bridge]

yea will not work

[zenith sequoia]

shadows would consume and not double shot

[eager mason]

yeah

[eager mason]

which one is that

[zenith bridge]

no more spinning bladestorms after shadows expire

so its a UB thing now

[eager mason]

makes sense

surely they give a way to undirect cast bladestorm tho

[flint turret]

dunno maybe something like hydra bow rend with non-giant slayer multishot for running monos?

[eager mason]

because Im not self casting this

[zenith sequoia]

why hydra?

[flint turret]

you evade you create 3 shadows you shoot rend with multishots

[zenith sequoia]

think dreklor's is better still

you still want + arrows

[flint turret]

but you wont get shadow gen

unless wit hset

[zenith sequoia]

yeah def requires the set

oh wait, ew can't even do the shift buffs rend consumes them, nvm 🙁

[flint turret]

hmmmm wait a minute

[sage canyon]

gonna test zhp sentinel its a thing now

[flint turret]

if i use hydra with rend it means every time i evade i get 3 shadows right? and i can consume those 3 with black arrow for 300% more damage

[sage canyon]

250% aoe Erasing strike with brutality 5 mil crits on mobs

frenzy belt 0 hp

[zenith sequoia]

do the repeats snapshot?

[flint turret]

they dont but they should create shadows still

honestly its much better for hoa i guess

hydra cant repeat hoa so it wil lalways repeat rend

and its always 3 shadows on evade

and then you hoa

[zenith sequoia]

wait it won't shadow gen

[flint turret]

why

[zenith sequoia]

direct use

[flint turret]

what

[bold brook]

i dont see anything about needing direct use of rend to make shadow

[zenith sequoia]

the rend node requires direct use

[bold brook]

rend makes a shadow base

[flint turret]

i doesnt say anything about direct use

[zenith sequoia]

it says when shadows consumed by prior node

[flint turret]

shadow should always be created by rend

[zenith sequoia]

which is direct use

[flint turret]

im talking about baseline rend

[zenith sequoia]

oh thought you meant the resummon

so what are you doing again?

[eager mason]

arent you getting 4 shadows from that

[zenith sequoia]

rend, evade, rend?

[eager mason]

1 from evade 1 from base and 2 from movement skill

[eager mason]

rend with evade and hoa with black arrow consume

from what I understood

[zenith sequoia]

yeah that was after I guess

the set bonus is traversal, so you have to convert for 4

[eager mason]

also hoa used hydra for the damage anyways

only problem is fitting the set in

[zenith sequoia]

oh with rend consume you almost get 100% resummon

if you use the set relic

[lime folio]

do we know the range of that 26%?

[eager mason]

is it worth losing those 3 uniques tho xdd

[lime folio]

could be, depending on how rare good corruption outcomes are

[zenith sequoia]

no, but it's close to 100%

[flint turret]

why do you even need

without a set each evade is 3 rend = 3 shadows

[eager mason]

ooh

I forgot it casts 3 times

if its only boss it casts 1 tho

right?

[flint turret]

yes

[eager mason]

there is probably an extra shadow node on the skill

just need to see the whole tree

you can just evade multiple times on boss anyways I guess

[zenith bridge]

So Shadow Rend is a level 7 Rogue skill, but they didn't show Bladestorm required level. Rogue leveling will probably change aswell.

[zenith sequoia]

it looks like maybe unlocked in rogue tree

[zenith bridge]

Yep probably 20 points into rogue passive

When do you usually reach 20 points again? What char level.

UB is 16

[zenith sequoia]

it's right before or at mastery

[zenith bridge]

So should be slighty before UB then i guess

bleed puncture into bleed bladestorm it is 🙂

[zenith sequoia]

it's like lvl ~20 I think

[zenith bridge]

abit before, we alrdy gain free passives

[zenith sequoia]

yeah just depends on what you skip or how fast you're going

[zenith bridge]

Short range is a new skill tag?

[bold brook]

I think that tag has been around

unsure if it actually has any real impact though

[zenith bridge]

is there any unique that interacts with short range tag?

[zenith sequoia]

has it been a tag?

I think it's new

[zenith sequoia]

don't think so

[zenith bridge]

im watching this bow Shadow Rend gif. Are you locked in position when the shadow performs the bow attack?

this looks awful

it looks like charged Puncture when it gets bugged and you cant move around anymore 🤣

[zenith sequoia]

I don't think they move after casting

[bold brook]

short range already exists

i dont think anything interacts with it tho

[zenith sequoia]

it's not shown I guess on LETools

[zenith bridge]

Wow the shadow creation is rolled for each individual blade on UB 😱

20% per blade

Kain confirmed it

[zenith sequoia]

yeah, that's nice

[eager mason]

yeah it looks like they are gonna over buff umbrals to compensate

and we login umbrals for the 10th league in a row

[flint turret]

if they left umbral on shadow expire might be fun

[sage canyon]

whats the combo there?

😓

do you want rend for more dps?

[flint turret]

3 shadow for evade

for hoa

[sage canyon]

u get that from smoke bomb and black arrows

🤔

you need to spam puncture a lot already if you want to spam hoa on cd

[flint turret]

maybe we can add umbral recall then?

it will make some shadows as well

[sage canyon]

for mana hmm

if that tech survives

need to check how the proc will work with ele arrows

if it consumes them then f

[flint turret]

it shouldnt

[sage canyon]

but its non ele

hmm

ye might be gucci then just use unspec rend as proc for hydra

you need to dodge roll anyways for quiver before every hao

[flint turret]

yeah

[sage canyon]

so its more reliable will test

[flint turret]

i still want to make a real rend build, not an unspecced support lol

gimme good nodes ffs

[sage canyon]

its just hao cd is ~2 seconds, bomb puts 1 shdow per second and you get 1 shadow after picking up arrow

so u usually have exactly 3 shadows anyways

[flint turret]

we might try to go to 4-5 shadows maybe?

[sage canyon]

isnt it capped u need set and its monka

cause both chest and helm are kinda must have

[zenith bridge]

As boring as it sounds, for me the best teased node is the lightning conversion 😅 At least it tells me that dmg scaling for big boom bow rend will be alot easier

[sage canyon]

or are they raising base cap on shadows

[flint turret]

yeah thats like the first thing i thought of, but hopefully its not gonna end up a da copy

multipliers are somewhat there

also i guess im getting bow shadow daggers v2 kekw

[zenith bridge]

puncture + rend yep

[flint turret]

but after seeing brutality news not going melee is tough

[vale patio]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzkYdWa never played rouge does this seem like a good base for blade storm i wanted it to be some what tanky

[sharp raven]

Falconer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Rogue (20) / Bladedancer (5) / Marksman (26) / Falconer (62)

General:

▸ Health: 2,662, Regen: 35/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 16%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 87 Dex / 8 Int / 2 Att / 36 Vit
▸ Resistances: 89% / 91% / 158% / 90% / 88% / 114% / 107%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 931
▸ Dodge Chance: 35% (1225)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,310)
▸ Block Chance: 76%, Mitigation: 52% (2,233)
▸ Glancing Blow Chance: 52%
▸ Crit Avoidance: 25%

Used skills:

Flurry / Shift / Falconry / Smoke Bomb

[zenith bridge]

Bladestorm is unlocked when you reach 10 Rogue passive points

And Rend at char lvl 3

So probably wrong UI in dev blog

[zenith sequoia]

is the first spec unlocked at lv 7? might've meant that

[north tree]

Rogue able to have aoe clear at level 3 is insane

No more flasks

[zenith bridge]

I always went Flurry with 2hand into acid flask into bleed puncture until UB

[zenith sequoia]

also early shadow gen outside of shift is nice

[zenith bridge]

Shift got moved back a bit yea

bladestorm at 10 is nice

[zenith sequoia]

indeed

[flint turret]

20 manacost skill at lvl 3 sounds fun to spam

[eager mason]

xdd

[zenith bridge]

u dont spam it, you will get stunlocked with bow

easy regen in the meantime 🙂

[flint turret]

They moved umbrals to 20 and bladestorm to 10? Weirdge

And so far no info on who's getting sd tech right?

[eager mason]

it is based on points instead of lvls now

so dont you get it around same time

I dont remember how many quest points you get

[flint turret]

Ah right right

Around 16 I think?

[north tree]

Yeah usually I have 1-2 points extra before mastery

[eager mason]

yeah should be around same time

you get 4 points from quests by mastery

[flint turret]

Brooo I need more node reveals, today showed almost nothing

[zenith bridge]

i also expected a bit more, even a full tree reveal tbh

Kinda sad since Karv showed us the whole HS tree in s2

[flint turret]

A bit sus and might indicate that trees are not that great if you allow my tinfoil hat to speak

[pine hatch]

Well I made 1300 waves on arena I guess it's pretty decent for a DS build 😆

[inland yacht]

I think i remember him saying something about how they didn't know if they could show the whole thing off

[lime folio]

Cinder Strike mentionned

[lime folio]

ya, that Karv reveal was so much fun, one of if not the best one they've ever done

[eager mason]

how many shards do you get from set shattering

is it 1 :Despairge:

[zenith bridge]

never did alot with set shards before, but same rule as with other stats, no? Rune of removal will give you the amount of shards based on the affixes tier.

buts thats after set shattering

hmm

[sage canyon]

😆

u should try sync strike shurikens

pew pew from 4 shadows

[pine hatch]

https://youtu.be/d-4r3cAXYy0

My first build with BD

[eager mason]

I remember playing your ignite bd

saw it from crouching_tuna

[pine hatch]

All these memories 😭 LE such a good game might stop playing after paid classes

[zenith bridge]

Do what I do, just play Rogue and you won't have these problems 😉

[agile skiff]

just ask ur mom for $20

[pine hatch]

😆 $20 too mch

[eager mason]

ohno

sry guys

[gaunt mesa]

[desert bridge]

Sounds like we do int stack instead so we stack more crit multi 🤷‍♀️

[zenith sequoia]

at least brutality applies to subskills and ailments

[tranquil urchin]

I just woke up, some of todays hype looks pretty cool - still waiting for @zenith bridge to explain 80% of it in a video for me lol

[flint turret]

That haven't clarified anything tbh

[desert bridge]

Probably but maybe not

[eager mason]

yeah but it means if it works they might change it

[flint turret]

So I guess it's up to rend and lm to benefit from brutality

[eager mason]

I tried with worldsplitter but I cant tell the difference in aoe

if you guys have another way of testing it

[flint turret]

Maybe we selfcast now then? Sync into manual cascade or something

Sounds not that great

[eager mason]

yeah

also the time it takes you to cast sync and cascade

you might be able to cast 2 syncs instead

which would be same damage

[flint turret]

Yeah but cascade costs way less mana

You are actually gaining more mana using it from shadow consume than you spending

[eager mason]

I would take armor and 1 button over mana

[flint turret]

Yeah I guess

Oh well, can't really say cascade needed that extra damage on top of dmg eff buff so all good

[eager mason]

wait this doesnt even have reroll chance

Im just unlucky

[north tree]

I hope the 2 new skills have some defensive options tired of shift+shurikan.

[fierce osprey]

Would decoy work?

[north tree]

you usually run that as well but no talents

[flint turret]

Okay, serious question. Flat crit from new rogue set relic should work on shadow falcon dives and dive itself with birds not real, right?

I'm thinking about going hydra on falconer with rend, trav smoke, falconry, dive, black arrows using set and mourningfrost. The idea is hybrid damage from rend consuming shadows, black arrows consuming shadows, using falcon to gain mana and apply falcon mark, and dive for aoe and buffs

Also rend will buff falcon with avian arsenal

Two questions remain, one if I'll be able to crit cap rend and falcon just with relic and the other is the interaction between black arrows and rend shadow consune

If double consume doesn't work, can replace it with multishot or replace dark quiver with something

[flint turret]

Also self-casted umbrals with shadow generation and helm set affix look tempting af now

[sage canyon]

🧑‍🍳 🔥

[lapis pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-kittens-cute-cooking-gif-27578245

F

[flint turret]

Misha said rend is gonna be dog, so wrong gif

[blazing locust]

How did they manage to take 7 months of time and in those 7 months the new skill they come up is...this

im honestly flabbergasted - not an ounce of me finds any of that skill / its variations fun to play

[zenith sequoia]

surely rend is good, they would never make a new skill that just sucks

😉

[flint turret]

we havent seen like 70% of its nodes yet so might go both ways

[sage canyon]

idk i saw both clips of melee and bow animation and i aint using that shi directly looks like smelters wrath rogue edition

regardless of how much dmg it does

bow has 0 aoe, melee looks clunky af

[eager mason]

yeah unless it oneshots uber it doesnt look fun to play so I might skip it

[flint turret]

after playing both sync and dancing strikes, this doesnt scare me yet tbh

and then again we havent seen nodes

[eager mason]

they are making those 2 feel better at least

[sage canyon]

if u can make it mega speedy melee ver might look good

[eager mason]

finally realizing if you are making a fast combat class you need to make the skills feel good

[sage canyon]

ds not having cd is massive

[flint turret]

yeah thats why it makes no sense for them to make something worse than those they already understand were problematic animations and what they are trying to fix

[sage canyon]

hah haa

ehg has those two daawgs in them

[flint turret]

well, a lot of things dont make sense in le so whatever

[sage canyon]

one designs falconer the other smelters wrath

[flint turret]

there are also channeled puncture and cascade

[eager mason]

we already know you are adding ds to every planner now

[sage canyon]

yes

OP

i converrted bina too

we are DS BELIEVERS

[eager mason]

cant convert me

wander is also a ds lover

[sage canyon]

when double your dps you start to belive

👀

[flint turret]

only if they remove rhythm and make it deal decent direct damage itself

[sage canyon]

how abt they make rythm last 2-3 seconds

👀

[flint turret]

its already 2 isnt it

[sage canyon]

1 or 2 i dont remeber

but needs +1 to whatever it is now

[flint turret]

if it was one iwouldnt have any chance of mainaining stacks while sync

[eager mason]

did you see the kill I posted

[sage canyon]

i saw

[eager mason]

we might have 30-40 sec cascade kills next season

[sage canyon]

and i also saw your gear

xdd

[eager mason]

yeah I know but its also getting buffed

[sage canyon]

lol absolutely, just need to figure proper brutality stacking

and gg

but warlock and necro will be my number 1 fav in this patch for sure

broken ah classes

[eager mason]

are they even changing anything for those

[flint turret]

i dont like this idea because its a lazy fix that would only make an already dominant support side of DS even better while not adressing everything else. Its like if they buffed bladestrorms and explosive UB in UB tree

[eager mason]

I dont remember

[sage canyon]

idol plate alone is massive on some builds, zombies and veil will be insane, abomination will get more cdr

waiting on full changes

[eager mason]

I think I know what Im playing second

just need to find a starter now

[sage canyon]

maybe ill be able to reach 3 screens zombie explosions

👀

[eager mason]

:monka:

[sage canyon]

its already pre-nerf explody ballista aoe levels now

before buffs

[flint turret]

im actually interested in rend with 5+ shadows that increase aoe each and sierpin aoe

[rugged pollen]

yo anyone got a picture of post-atch wings of discord?

[flint turret]

dont have a pic ready but they are adding ~50% inc dodge and thats it

[rugged pollen]

50% global increase or 50% of the flat dodge it gives?

[eager mason]

from this https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/you-ask-we-deliver-here-are-season-4-teasers/79956

[rugged pollen]

oh nice

lpl is the same or any change?

or no information on that yet

[eager mason]

no info

[sage canyon]

whats the diff i cant tell

[eager mason]

% dodge

[sage canyon]

oh big

if only bonus 500 would be "if not been hit recently"

😭

[zenith sequoia]

I hate it here

omfg that DS set lmao

[sage canyon]

it has to be a typo

3 set bonus

10 crit multi???

[flint turret]

but they nerfed traps and flasks, right? RIGHT?

[eager mason]

its not a direct cast

so it only throws 1

[zenith sequoia]

it kinda of makes sense

wait indirect casts only throw one?

I'm bout to check my trap loop vid again

[flint turret]

bladestorms casting shurikens AND traps jesus christ

[zenith sequoia]

this make sense because of 2 set items being weapons tbh

[sage canyon]

idk

[rugged pollen]

wtf

3 set bonus

10 crit multi

[sage canyon]

yep

[rugged pollen]

[sage canyon]

it looks stupid

[rugged pollen]

what in the fk is that

lmao

[zenith sequoia]

Do y'all not remember them saying 3 sets were gonna be less enticing lmao

[sage canyon]

xdd

[rugged pollen]

🤣

[zenith sequoia]

that idol for upheaval and eq is actually wild

[flint turret]

oh my god that fire conversion set

i had a planner for ignite cascade for so long

and now i can use it with embers

[desert bridge]

Kuzon's set is an ATLA reference, right? That mask is definitely the Blue Spirit mask.

[wise echo]

wow burning danger dancing strikes

[desert bridge]

Burning dagger cinder strike is probably gonna be an insane build with that set

[wise echo]

That too, Jormun 3-set looks weak

Was it supposed to be 100% crit multi?

[desert bridge]

Yeah it's gotta be a typo

[wise echo]

I hope lol

[zenith sequoia]

idk if it is lmao

[desert bridge]

Some of these new sets will be GREAT with Legends Entwined as well

[wise echo]

Dancing strikes cope once again, hopefully the hitbox is fixed

[sage canyon]

looks like a lot of memes tbh everything they showed except rogue set

[desert bridge]

If it's not, the 2-set and 3-set should be swapped.

[wise echo]

its too weak to be a 3-set, its worse than a T1 affix for crit multi

[flint turret]

i dont like that cascade fire conversion is on helm tho it negates both doppelganger and throwing hs

[zenith sequoia]

they don't care to make 3 sets always strong

[flint turret]

throwing hs + fire cascade would have been so good

[wise echo]

3 Set at 100% would be equivalent as T8 Critical mutliplier.

[eager mason]

bro

if this doesnt convert

thats another thing that breaks low life

[desert bridge]

I mean, not everything needs to work with low life

[wise echo]

If you have an item that converts potion life to ward it should work.

Unless it local.

[eager mason]

yeah we have couple sets for rogue and non of them works nice

[zenith sequoia]

looks like a trigger not that the potion gives you hp

[zenith bridge]

Ill probably take this for shuriken proc. Bladestorm duration alone + mana regen and +2 to throw sounds very good for the interaction

[desert bridge]

I mean, the Jormun's set is clearly Primalist themed, not rogue themed

[wise echo]

Yep.

[zenith sequoia]

the 2 set is pretty generic tho

[desert bridge]

Yeah, it's generic and can work on rogue, but the theme is primalist

[lime folio]

every set is rogue set!

[desert bridge]

You could also totally do Jormund + Kuzon + Abandoned + Legends Entwined

[desert bridge]

Nah, it's hunter loot

[zenith sequoia]

I mean most dual wield can use it right?

[lime folio]

oh right, wrong game

[candid pebble]

Saw the rogue updates, but I'm a tad disappointed the nodes that enhance homing and such also limit the amount of Bladestorms we can have. Is there a way to boost that number to compensate?

[desert bridge]

We don't know all the nodes yet

Just the key ones they shared

[candid pebble]

I'd think there would be like a chest piece affix that boosts the number of Bladestorms you could have out

[eager mason]

@lime folio what was confusing about it

[wise echo]

Legends entwined is the first thing i will buy(if they dont remove it from store) from rift

[desert bridge]

That would be real shit if they remove it

But it is VERY strong, lol

[wary cedar]

@desert bridge can we make a fire cascade build now? :D

[crimson latch]

lolololo kuzon fire set

[desert bridge]

CAN? Yeah, but I don't want to, personally.

[lime folio]

well, i dont see why everything should work with low life, and be designed around it
life builds wouldnt be happy about the change you are proposing, and would much rather keep the affix as it currently is

[wise echo]

Its even stronger now, hopefully it stays easy to get, because it gives set items a very needed felxibility

[desert bridge]

Yeah, for sure

[eager mason]

I asked them if the potion mod works

since it works with everything else

I didnt tell them to redesign it

[lime folio]

aaaaaah, i though you meant it as

change the item

i misunderstood you

[desert bridge]

I'd rather do a physical one and use the Jormund set.

[eager mason]

the conversion mod works with stuff like this so would be cool if worked for that too

[wise echo]

This idol affix

Should work.

Theres for belt/gloves/relic/ring too.

But your better ask the devs if this affix works for that new unique

[desert bridge]

The wording on that line makes me think you have to actually regain the health to get the non-consume chance

[eager mason]

I never read flasks

they recover a % health right?

[wise echo]

They recover flat

50 +5 per level

[eager mason]

hmm

yeah no clue how % works than hopefully they answer

[spring star]

Think explosive trap will be worth it?

[wise echo]

Abandoned Set looks VERY good for set builds in general

[wary cedar]

they took the best cutscene from us 🥀

[lime folio]

idk how relevant it'd be to your build, but someone did the math here, can go up to 97% chance to not consume potion
#🔱┃sentinel message

[wise echo]

Actually, not if you don't use a weaver relic

[zenith bridge]

i will probably leave it unspecced, cause its 8 mana cost base and i will reduce it to 0 with rings to not run into mana issues since i wanna focus on bladestorm and shuriken only.

[wise echo]

Can you easily reach 360 atributes?

[rugged pollen]

nope

[spring star]

Ah yeah that makes sense. Bladestorm does seem pretty mana hungry. I might mess with it later on to see if it helps much. The item seems solid even without the traps doing much.

[flint turret]

fire conversion is such a huge buff ro cascade smh. basically 40% more damage from unique idol

[lime folio]

hahaha, not a typo

for 3p jormun

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

but i guess we have to remember that
EHG doesnt do math, so np

[wise echo]

Damn they really made a 3-set bonus a T2 affix

[weary widget]

why does a helmet have range, attack rate, and gives melee damage

[slow sierra]

Not sure why you couldn't just spec to get flasks too which is only +2 mana still making it free not to mention the free dusk shrouds from trap.

[terse jolt]

Warcrimes

[flint turret]

huge reveals day and huge buffs to cascade

[zenith bridge]

I think you won't really generate alot of dusk shrouds. To generate more stacks you need to spec into multiple traps which will increase the mana cost alot. Need to try it out, but i already think you will run into mana issues and cant keep up the shuriken proc anymore

Explosive trap is just way too expensive these days

[flint turret]

and rend now is able to create 2 shadows too, dunno if its worth tho

[slow sierra]

Its basically double dmg for rend

[flint turret]

if it will work like "hold this" it will throw lightning one and cold one along for only +3 mana

[crimson latch]

so tomorrow starts the theorycrafting?

[flint turret]

im already mindblown by today reveals kekw

[slow sierra]

yeah we have to have all the changes to make any conclusions

[crimson latch]

burning daggers viable ?

[slow sierra]

I think the double damage of rend looks interesting

[eager mason]

I havent done act 7 in couple years

[zenith bridge]

They kinda want to force us to complete the storyline to access empowered i guess

[eager mason]

they were thinking about a full normal mono skip at some point idk what happened

like you do whole campaign and start empowered or whatever

[flint turret]

i complete it every season lol

[zenith bridge]

hmm...5 timelines or finish the story + 3 timelines on the right side?

[desert bridge]

I never mind the campaign, really. It's more interesting than monos

[zenith bridge]

ill prob go story + 3

[flint turret]

6 shadows from a single evade with hydra rend sounds fun but not really practical

[wise echo]

Im excited to see this, the current one is so bad this cant be worse

[zenith bridge]

i will probably still skip the lagon chapter 🤣

[terse jolt]

will +6 additional to dancing strikes finally make it viable?

[crimson latch]

trikster promise u will cook builds for marksman

[flint turret]

wait a minute

[terse jolt]

My initial gut reaction is... probably not

[zenith bridge]

I've never played a season without marksman 😉

[flint turret]

melee rend shadow will still result in a regular shadow right? menaning if i use hydra bow, evade, get 6 shadows and use rend ill shoot 6 multishots

but i would need to play it on bd

[terse jolt]

yes

[flint turret]

and 60% of those shadows will resummon

dam

[eager mason]

what do these mean than