🐺┃primalist

[tardy frost]

not 500m dps either

[wise leaf]

hmmm

[tardy frost]

watch the hands, transient rest is a great ward item that beats twisted heart once you get like 3-4k mana

except it's not usable on mage cause high mana builds actually churn through their mana

but you can use it on skele mage necro cause it still stacks high mana but doesn't actually use it

[high stratus]

stacking max mana is good on a lot of builds, but getting lots of mana regen is rarely ever the answer to consuming lots of mana

[tardy frost]

why do some high mana builds get 0 mana costs but mana scaling while other high mana builds get extremely high mana costs? Fu ck you that's why

there is zero logic or reasoning behind it

[tardy frost]

cause mana regen is a failed stat it should be tied to your max mana at baseline

[high stratus]

imo either the 8 regen/s baseline is far too low or mana regen % is available in clearly inadequate quantities.

It doesn't help that mana costs feel like they're pulled out of a hat

[wise leaf]

also they never really seem to adjust them

[mossy coral]

Why can't we have mana regen scaling on mana and better base, or increase it

[wise leaf]

they're not a knob they tend to tweak

venom nova costs almost as much as earthquake at base

never been changed

[high stratus]

regen as a % of max mana is an unwarranted buff to builds that are already rewarded by stacking max mana.

You mentioned how skelly mages builds get a ton of mana but don't spend it, well if they had insane regen to go with it then Seed suddenly becomes a crazy good defensive item too.

I don't think tying regen to max is a good idea really, but the current state of regen is clearly terrible too.

[raven sluice]

The baseline 8 just doesn't work anyway

[tardy frost]

it's not a "buff to high mana builds" it's changing a mechanic from fundamentally dysfunctional to fundamentally functional and workable

[raven sluice]

Needs to be extra sources of flat or sources of "more"

[wise leaf]

they fundamentally get more out of it tho, builds that that spend mana but get nothing extra from actually building mana just get kinda screwed if they make that change and nothing else

[tardy frost]

builds with low max mana and spending mana can use active or fixed passive effects to regen it.. just like today

[raven sluice]

I think it's a good thing LE has no sources of % total life regen but functional amounts of scaling. Same could just be made for mana

[wise leaf]

but that isn't working

it just isn't

[tardy frost]

it's working just fine in a ton of builds

[raven sluice]

Mana regen only comes in shit quantities of increased to a terrible base. Apathy, especially on shaman, is an absurd outlier. But what would you even cast on LL shaman

[wise leaf]

i should test my tsunami bm with actual gear...

[raven sluice]

I'm giving up on LL Avalanche/Tsunami. I need perspective

I can't tell if it's decent, but I suspect it's not

[wise leaf]

yeah mine seems like it has issues too

crow survivability being a big one

[raven sluice]

Ah, damn

I gave up on companions a while back. Bear just died, crows just died

[mossy coral]

There's a few fire crow builds though, doesn't seem to die

[raven sluice]

I'm shaman though

Without minion scaling. Just attunement and defensive tree. Stuff couldnt live in 100c

Didnt seem worth it to even try

[near leaf]

Tsunami.... EHG really did us dirty there

[raven sluice]

How so?

Scorp wont scale with attunement while scorptsunami wont scale with str or dex?

Or no wait

[wise leaf]

i mean

[raven sluice]

Stormbolts from Storm totem scale with only storm totem + tree

[wise leaf]

tsunami scorp is... fine i guess?

[near leaf]

How would you like to spend 85mana for 300% ADE?

[wise leaf]

it's just

[raven sluice]

Ah

[wise leaf]

too much stack management

[mossy coral]

Sacrificing cast speed for damage, at the same time cast speed is damage but you're still doing not enough damage. If tsunami is hitting from your scorpion you would deal damage because it has more scaling and maybe crit?
I was legit lacking crit multi and 100 other things

[wise leaf]

and yweah

it doesn't trigger enough

[raven sluice]

I'm mainly an avalancher atm. I got 100 apathy giving 300% mana regen, so around 32. Avalanche costs 37 mana due to gear and tree. I still play spend/wait

[mossy coral]

My apathy stacker had like 145 and I was missing like 40-60 attunement

Would still be too low damage either way

[proud grotto]

Question out of curiousity: is there a use-case scenario for the whole of last epoch for a druid with points invested into the pummel and bash node in the werebear form specialization?

[raven sluice]

I'm swapping between like 3-mod exalted staves, bricked 0LP twisted heart, 0LP unbricked architects of astral blood, random exalted rares

So my gear is terrible. But I feel like dmg is a bit low in 200c

[mossy coral]

No

[wise leaf]

man, i just don't feel any motivation to farm

[near leaf]

What node is that?

[raven sluice]

Melee dmg to stunned, rage on hit vs stunned

[mossy coral]

dmg to stunned enemies

[raven sluice]

Travel for entangling roots on maul

[wise leaf]

this season feels scuffed and my medication isn't helping either. prednisone sucks

[near leaf]

Trash

[mossy coral]

Sorry to hear that

[near leaf]

That node and every other more dmg to hard cced enemies are awful

I hate them with a burning passion

And seeing more effect like this added in the game always spike my cortisol

[proud grotto]

Thought as much since I was pondering it being about as useless as a screendoor on a submarine in the case of things like boss fights & even pinnacle activities. Similar could be said for frozen but I do not know enough as there is very little info on that particular ailment even if it is just an elemental version of a stun to my limited knowledge.

[wise leaf]

i don't even need my cortisol spiked cos prednisone acts like cortisol in the body anyway!

fun times

[mossy coral]

I don't think freeze and stuns have a purpose in arpgs, exception is conditional such as "count as frozen/stunned" but I still don't like it

Rooted/immobilized is fine though

[raven sluice]

Rip. Cortisol is annoying. I just try to treat dry skin with cortisol and then my arms and hands get like super easily cut at the workshop where I study

I should drink less caffeine instead

[wise leaf]

i'm taking high dose prednisone for a autoimmune pancreas issue so yeah...

messes with mood and shit a lot

general reduced enjoyment

[near leaf]

If effect were like
More Dmg to recently stunned or you deal more if you have stunned recently it think it would be 100 times better

[wise leaf]

oh definitely

[mossy coral]

Stun and stuff like that is so gimmicky, corruption, mods and bosses are scaling against it
They are also a balance issue

Warcry is all about stuns btw, never used

And freeze if you take that node

How long is a rare/boss stunned/frozen? 0.75 seconds, normal enemy is 1.5

[near leaf]

Noice 60% More Dmg for 0.75sec

Huge dps boost

[mossy coral]

When the animation is done you have 0.01 seconds to hit them

[near leaf]

[wise leaf]

it's also cos they got scared

and even assuming you are getting stuns to get the cooldown reduction instantly

it results in a ~4.5 second cooldown (so in practice > 5 seconds)

meanwhile that node that costs 2 points gives you a 5 second base cooldown

[mossy coral]

Yeah, you can't play without it

[wise leaf]

should be a like 12 second CD base

or the refund should be higher

[proud grotto]

There is only at least two good case scenarios for warcry.

1: the 1 second grace period of invulnerability via juggernaut when combined with shallow breath & decent cooldown reduction.

2: Have bringer of winter, via deep roar, jormuns wrath & frost claw, dip into it with swipe specialization by utilizing the more cold damage per chill mechanic from the chill chance granted by warcry's bringer of winter while having it all play into a decent shattered lance build focused on cold damage.

[wise leaf]

oh catzy's just talking about the stun/freeze cdr thing

warcry itself is used a shitload

[mossy coral]

Warcry has a lot of good stuff, just not when it's 20 sec CD and fear/taunt node

Great skill overall

[proud grotto]

Aye, those particular nodes could use reworks.
Also I am pretty sure warcry gets 20% of it's remaining cooldown recovered when stunning or freezing*(if converted to cold.)* an enemy, even with the move itself, I wager that effect becomes unnoticeable with diminishing returns doe to how cooldown recovery works.

[mossy coral]

Btw is firebreath from raptors like a one time spell or does the breath linger like a channeled skill?

[high stratus]

Warcry can give your cold minions like 200% inc damage 200% inc crit

[wise leaf]

yes that's what i mean

the base CD is so high that 20% current CD refund doesn't really get you under 5 sec cd when maximising stuns

[near leaf]

Is it a hit?

[wise leaf]

it's a DoT

lasts 1 sec

[mossy coral]

Yeah I get that, was wondering how long it lasted pretty much

testing it rn and yeah 1 second

[wise leaf]

do they have to stop to cast it?

[mossy coral]

yes

[wise leaf]

ugh

[raven sluice]

Raptor fire breath is a bit problematic

You can use nodes that essentially let you reset their breath all the time. But the problem is it's a fire dot spell skill on a BM minion

[mossy coral]

Yeah they don't even get ignite chance from the tree, just from melee hits

[wise leaf]

doesn't matter

cos the fire breath can't inflict ignite

[raven sluice]

Yeah

[mossy coral]

A lot of melee stuff, not a lot of generic modifiers. Can it even deal damage?

[raven sluice]

It doesn't hit and has no ignite chance applied per second to dot area

[mossy coral]

So you can't use it with fire boots and fire body, sick

[raven sluice]

Get swipe and raptor pack, let them breathe fire that you can barely scale every 2 seconds

And tempest strike

Enjoy boar being bleed stats, shark melee, lynx crit, and raptor fire breath none of those

[mossy coral]

Why even add it to the game, it has so many problems

[raven sluice]

1. Rule of cool
2. Fire is mage territory so it has to suck

And now it's already done. So rather than make it playable and cold or lightning, they move on I guess

[mossy coral]

Yeah honestly I expected it to get some love instead of just rampage fix in general and that's it. Fire crows/spriggan but raptor is forgotten already

[raven sluice]

How did they fix rampage?

[mossy coral]

Bug fix, that's it

[raven sluice]

What was bugfixed?

[mossy coral]

It didn't get the more dmg for being lower health

[raven sluice]

Ah, that

Cornered

150% more dmg is nice

But I would be surprised if it could save fire breath

[proud grotto]

Cornered beast grants 75% more damage alone, as well as the 20% less damage taken at low health & 5 seconds after if above it. Or did I miss something?

[mossy coral]

yep

It's permanently up if you're on low life

[near leaf]

But "forces" you into a lowife setup if you want 100% uptime

[proud grotto]

I don't run a low life build just to give a heads up. But it does help in a pinch if in a situation that I ain't prepped for.

[near leaf]

It does yeah

[mossy coral]

If you don't get 1 tapped, same problem as endurance threshold

[near leaf]

No

Endu applies to one shot

[mossy coral]

Orly?

[near leaf]

You don't need to be below the threshold for endurance to kick in

Yup

Well, at least that how it's supposed to work

[mossy coral]

Way better than I thought then

[proud grotto]

I did post an old suggestion about letting cornered beast trigger when falling below endurance threshold rather than just your typical fixed 35% health trigger.
#feedback message

Probably give some incentive for building into endurance threshold.

[near leaf]

Fun fact
Endurance started as a hidden defense mechanic to give you the time to react in though fight. To get more "on the edge" 'moment.

And then the devs thought
"What if we allow the players to play with it and scale it?"

[wise leaf]

i don't really think that'd make it better?

35% hp is already often more than what you're building in end thresh

you're generally just making it worse for life based

[mossy coral]

Not if you're stacking it, for example ancestral pack, bear set, BM passive

[wise leaf]

it's already fine

doesn't need changing

[wise leaf]

sure but most life based builds don't stack end thresh

also ancestral pack is ward so that's kinda a nonbo

[mossy coral]

Would trigger when dmg goes through your ward, you're like 2k health max

[wise leaf]

idk what you mean by bm passive unless you're referring to the flat end thresh nodes which like... no

[mossy coral]

Yeah that

[wise leaf]

those are very incidental

[mossy coral]

I used it in my pack builds, more incentive to pick less attractive nodes are good, and affixes

[near leaf]

I would love for primalist to be able to cover the entire hp bar with Endurance Threshold, and get a stronger endurance

[mossy coral]

Sentinel already have block as well, so why not 😏

[wise leaf]

i just think cornered beast is already a really good node and that sorta change actually makes it more narrow

[mossy coral]

It would make endurance threshold more attractive to have rather than only health, health is good but not interesting

Threshold atm is like the most boring thing you can get

3 steps vs ward and getting low life to take less damage, pack was a great addition

You can literally have cornered beast be triggered at 35% of your health if it's more than your current endurance threshold. I don't see why that would be a bad thing

[wise leaf]

eh, i guess with how crappy primalist's sustain can be more end thresh interaction would be good

[near leaf]

Good old days of dmg to mana +'endurance

[mossy coral]

I don't like passives on LL apply on ward but at the same time I don't like endurance threshold either, very uninteresting (and brokenly OP)

[raven sluice]

"Whichever is higher" sure, I'd like that

[wind mortar]

My prim has full hp bar covered while standing still 🙂

[wise leaf]

oh, yeah i like that

[mossy coral]

Standing still in my game!?

[wise leaf]

yeah no thanks

i like my 120+% increased MS

[wind mortar]

Yeah have 3400 endurance while standing still

[mossy coral]

Add channelled tornado on top of that

Sprinkle a bit of dodge on there too for good measure

Just in case you know

[high stratus]

and then they removed almost all the generic ways to get more endurance threshold

[mossy coral]

OH sick you're also getting dodge with that node, lmfao EHG

[near leaf]

That was way later, but yeah

[raven sluice]

All this discussion does is make me wanna use face of the mountain

[mossy coral]

Who remember endurance threshold on rings, I member

[mossy coral]

Me too, I love that shield. If only the health regen for stacking endurance wasn't garbage..

[raven sluice]

Trex says hello

[high stratus]

there's one item slot which can still roll flat endurance threshold as a suffix right? can't remember which

[raven sluice]

Belt

[mossy coral]

Or you know, you can get 26% increased health

[raven sluice]

Lul

[near leaf]

Imagine 2 defenses affixes that have synergie together
Not for primalist, make the numbers shit

[mossy coral]

Bro, it's 1%. ONE

Primalist gaming

[near leaf]

Need to nerf it in s5
0.1%

[raven sluice]

6% life regen as a 4pt bonus is still a bit too strong imo

[near leaf]

And it's 20 pts deep in Shaman too 🤮

You need 24 passives pts

[mossy coral]

5 points for 60% increased health regen + other investments, wow crazy good am I right

Nothing can compete, surely there's nothing else called stre-

[near leaf]

Shhhhhh

To be fair it combines really well with the top node, hp regen per attunement

Shyt

[mossy coral]

6 points in natural fortitude and you're already at 36% increased health regen

[near leaf]

Nerf Shaman, it's broken

[mossy coral]

You know how much health regen I'm getting with apathy stacking Vlad!?

[high stratus]

enough to cast one spell per 20 seconds?

[near leaf]

Like 6

[mossy coral]

I can't get past the red screen

[near leaf]

Meanwhile rogue generate 8k with 2 items....

[mossy coral]

Ward and dodge with guaranteed dodge

[proud grotto]

Ironbark?

(thats only if your into Shaman Mastery.)

[near leaf]

Yes, but I was kinda sarcastic about it

[patent dock]

Shaman is best melee mastery

[high stratus]

I think someone on here said during S2 that if you have a budget of ~200 attributes to allocate, the BM regen per str and the shaman regen per attunement then the optimal allocation of them to get the most regen is something like -75 attunement and 275 strength lol

[proud grotto]

Could be crazier than the time legends entwined came around.

Throw on the ring, have the shattered lance relic & whack on an event horizon with +119 melee cold damage on top of stacking regen & things could get real frosty.
Especially for Druids goin the polar bear road.

[high stratus]

attack speed while a totem is out! reduced damage taken from shocked enemies! it's got everything

[patent dock]

lol, that tracks, when I was trying to figure out the best way to do shattered lance, I found it was just optimal to go BM and stack strength

[mossy coral]

Stacking strength attunement for that 100% chance to block with bastion or endurance for that phat health regen and block, gonna go nuts with all the attunement you can stack with all your other gear to get 25 health regen

[tranquil lintel]

it does randomly have more melee damage while you have a totem

[patent dock]

and look at all that free elemental resistance!

[mossy coral]

I'm immune to physical damage!

[high stratus]

anyone tried Laup totems with upheaval not to shatter them but to use that node which buffs totems when they're hit by upheaval?

to actually use the totems for damage

[patent dock]

There are more nodes that mention "melee" than nodes that mention "spell" in shaman's right side passives

[mossy coral]

Up to 60% more per thorn totem hit?

[near leaf]

I haven't seen anything
But sound cool

[high stratus]

getting 60% more from a skill tree which isn't the skill you're using for DPS is pretty great tbh

not many support skills offer that much

I was also wondering about that janky belt which adds lightning spell damage to existing totems if you summon storm totem

[mossy coral]

You won't attack fast though, and you want them to be summoned frequently I think

[patent dock]

It's about 75% more damage since the stacks multiply each other

[high stratus]

I guess, that 100% more cast speed is nice

if you have radial upheaval creating shockwaves on totems can you buff them fully in one cast?

or is it like on enemies, can't be hit more than once by one cast

[mossy coral]

Need to hit 4 times but I don't think the shockwave counts

[patent dock]

No, you could make an upheaval totem that uses the radial thingy though

[mossy coral]

I think it needs to be that tiny upheaval line

[high stratus]

probably only costs like 50 mana

[mossy coral]

All I know is upheaval totem buffs itself lol

[patent dock]

Exactly 50 yeah

[mossy coral]

Thank god we got apathy am I right

[patent dock]

Who needs apathy when you can just be angry?

Orange mana is best mana

[mossy coral]

On the bright side warcry cost 4 mana

Embryo it wouldn't be a bad idea to self stack the totems, scale attunement with Pack

armor + threshold

[high stratus]

fury leap costs 20, upheaval costs 22 +150% for that skill tree.

[high stratus]

not to mention all the regen from the shaman passives!

[patent dock]

I've been running 'vinebear' this season, and really I could just replace entangling roots or vines themselves with upheaval totem

[tardy frost]

meanwhile madness is the best converted stat.. on primalist that is

[patent dock]

Sad part is, the vines don't get upheaval buffs

[mossy coral]

That's... Madness!

Vinebear replaceing vines?

[limpid veldt]

hmm

it's a waste that Lethal Concentration does not have any effect on scopion

[high stratus]

with skelly rogues allegedly bugged it doesn't have any use case at all afaict

[mossy coral]

@high stratus Just go upheaval totem saber at this point with only fury leap spam, I think I did 5m on dummy per totem

[high stratus]

does saber trigger upheaval totems properly?

or is there something else I'm missing about saber & upheaval totem?

[mossy coral]

I did pinnacle as my first omen thing, didn't know what it was, nothing spawned (because they instantly died) and I thought it was a regular mono lol

[limpid veldt]

Well at least if it has effect on scopion we would have an OP poison beastmaster build for bossing now

[high stratus]

poison nova BM is apparently decent enough

not for bossing really I guess

[mossy coral]

Bugged in a good way technically.
If summoned by you leaping (or it on leap) it gets every normal multiplier from saber + ancestral
If summoned by hitting enemies it doesn't get any and it's as if YOU summoned them, scaling with your idols, skills, totem passives in tree etc
(There can be 6 out, 3 by it and 3 by you. The ones from you won't deal any damage)

Although you can let saber summon your upheaval totems for free if you don't want to plop them down yourself with leap or whatever

[high stratus]

huh so if you use leap with Laup then it'll have a bunch of thorn totems to eat for damage too

cool

[cold nymph]

Quick question for you primalist. I am making a frog beastmaster, but need to lvl from start. Got firestarter lvling gear, but not sure what skill would be the best to apply ignites

Need something with many hits and hopefully good coverage

[patent dock]

Can saber's totems actually consume or shatter your thorn totems?

[mossy coral]

I'm not 100% sure if laup works everytime, it's weird

[mossy coral]

yes and yes

[patent dock]

Strange lol

[high stratus]

gathering storm maybe?/

each attack gets you at least one more hit at range

if you just want to apply ailments

you need some source of ignite chance though

spreading flames should carry for a while

[cold nymph]

I got like 200% from LP

Sounds like a plan then

[mossy coral]

Yeah, I'm unsure upheaval it makes get all the scaling it should, I mostly tested totems and they are indeed bugged

[granite flicker]

Does damage over time do anything for the frogs ?

[wise leaf]

Pretty sure no

[granite flicker]

Yeah i didnt think so, but wanted to ask to make sure

[mossy coral]

Hmmmm I know Ancestral sabers isn't good but maybe it would be decent to stack attunement. They would be summoned for 32,8 seconds with 180 attunement

[raven sluice]

Gathering storm is a bit sad for ailments since it doesn't get % dmg for stormbolt from any attribute. It would probably be very interesting with frostbite if it did

[patent dock]

If you have them applying bleeds or such, it will boost those... but frogs should be scaling crit, not DOT

[mossy coral]

30 seconds 100% uptime and that's 60 ancestral sabers

[high stratus]

that's true but it's not a good selection among early shaman skills for one that hits a lot and scales ailments well (and is player scaled)

[patent dock]

Upheaval will probably be the best option once you get it

Just rely on hitting a whole pack to proc spreading flames at least once

[proud grotto]

There is also tornado & earthquake for non-shamans if you have 5-15 points invested.

[high stratus]

yeah, but I think he's talking about how to best use twink gear from the start

[patent dock]

but yeah, GS to start for sure, rush the one more damage node it has on the left side lol

when you get upheaval, go for its node that disables attack speed scaling since that will be a sizeable boost to spreading flames

[tardy frost]

damn dude the spaghetti code be spaghetting

[mossy coral]

Eminem vibe coded

[high stratus]

technical debt? never heard of her

[cold nymph]

OK GS was a good pick

tyty

Just speccing into stormbolts seems good. Its just free ailment

[arctic glacier]

Can i get some feedback on how to scale my build a bit more ? but also have some questions. First time playing a primalist (and really enjoying it so far!)

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDxkpOvE

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 80

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (20) / Shaman (71)

General:

▸ Health: 1,883, Regen: 60.84/s
▸ Mana: 809.4, Regen: 24.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 38%, Regen: 68/s
▸ Attributes: 30 Str / 19 Dex / 13 Int / 85 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 24% / 97% / 134% / 29% / 92% / 67% / 115%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 441
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (159)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 51% (2,865)

Used skills:

Maelstrom / Summon Thorn Totem / Warcry / Gathering Storm / Avalanche

[arctic glacier]

My few concerns/questions: Why is the build speccing into thorn totem at all when the totem is just there to proc other stuff (mainly the passive totem benefits when a totem is out). Secondly, why warcry? I feel like speccing into something like earthquake synergy (with avalanche) would be more beneficial, though I do see the utility benefit of warcry at least. Lastly, why do most builds have thorn totem on the skillbar? since i never need to manually cast (due to having an idol that procs it for me) shouldn't I at least use something like storm crows or another companion?

[mellow kestrel]

Are you a minion build? Not really right? You definitely don’t need to be using those gloves

[arctic glacier]

I was mainly wearing them to shore up my resists, was not able to fight the black sun boss empowered and was getting one shot. You can ignore that, I have some swaddling of the erased I'm using normally. And plan to use some grasps of the blood mage once I find some.

[near leaf]

Thorn Totems for the resist /'cast speed/armor you get. And you want as much totems as possible because of the cold dmg per Totem affix on idol

Warcry has amazing utility, it's a must in every primalist build

Adding EQ procced by Avalanche will just delete your mana

It's just annoying to have an unspecced companion that will just die and not deal dmg

Or bring no utility

[mossy coral]

Corruption rune is so troll

Used envy to change base last craft, then corruption swapped it back

[near leaf]

Ooooo

[mossy coral]

Actual creation angle

[near leaf]

Ah yeah, the famous ailment EQ build

[mossy coral]

It's good, will probably use hakar and have it fire dmg if I can find a +2 to melee skills at some point..

[mossy coral]

You mean aftershock DOTs

[arctic glacier]

sorry was afk. But cant I get the benefit from not speccing into thorn totems? As long as I get a random totem to be summoned, it doesn't matter if it's spec'd or not right?

[dense heath]

anyone try killing uber with the new fire crows?

[near leaf]

For the cold dmg PER totems it's better to have it specced, you go from 2 to 5 totems

[tired inlet]

anyone doing beea

bees*

[arctic glacier]

yea, but I could get an idol that just gives the increase to spell damage (not per totem). right?

[sly bobcat]

Bhuldar's bonk stick baits me every time

surely ignite EQ can be a thing this time

[arctic glacier]

nvm I guess the per totem spell damage affix is still better for scaling, though it does require the investment of spec'd thorn totem. Just trying to see if there is a way to possibly flex the build a little.

[mossy coral]

Works with just DoT aftershocks tbh, dunno about ignite itself

[sly bobcat]

it converts your armor shred to ignite. you can get MUCH higher armor shred values

[arctic glacier]

you tried to do anything with the new Natural Wrath idol? I'm struggling to see why it would be used over the inherent nodes on the respective trees

[high stratus]

or you can use eye of reen with fire aftershocks

dot or hit

[mossy coral]

Only added, not from the passive but yeah

[mossy coral]

I think you're short of passives if you go reen

4 to just convert

[sly bobcat]

yeah the point would be to save those 4 skill points for extra damage

but then you're using a 2H mace

[mossy coral]

Is Bhuldar is bugged?

[tranquil lintel]

I got this whilst trying to make a mace to slam on my DoT aftershock build. tempted to give ignite a go just to see what its like

[sly bobcat]

it converts your EQ. if your aftershocks are turned into a DoT they won't apply ailments/hit effects

[mossy coral]

aaah

That makes sense

[tranquil lintel]

primalist ignite dream is alive?

[mossy coral]

Damn actually hit it

[tranquil lintel]

I whiff every slam that I want for my actual builds and hit when its a meme

rip

aftershocks apply armor shred not ignite

thats one eq cast

and one aftershock

yeah bhuldar's is bugged

the aftershocks stay physical

that explains why the damage on my build has been ass

[mossy coral]

#🐺┃primalist message
Should've read what he said before 😅

[tranquil lintel]

you have to convert to fire on the tree

no i've turned the dot off

before i tried anything

[arctic glacier]

not that I'm a primalist class expert, but this was something I noticed. It seems that the weapons/items (bhaldurs, natural wrath, etc) that convert skills just don't seem to be as useful as the inherent nodes on the skill trees that convert the same skills. Until the items do the same thing, there doesn't appear to be a reason to ever use those items sadly.

[mossy coral]

Seems to be be fire

loooooool I think it gets 50/50 converted

Both phys and elemental increases its damage

[tranquil lintel]

that armor shred conversion is defintley not applying to the aftershocks

[mellow kestrel]

Sigh really

It literally says it converts it on the item lol. No way they didn’t implement it for aftershocks right

[mossy coral]

Base damage seems to be split in half, half fire other phys

At least for aftershocks

[mellow kestrel]

Shouldn’t say 100% then 🙁

[tranquil lintel]

it literally has a different vfx

[mossy coral]

If you fully convert it via the node it might work

[tranquil lintel]

than when you convert it on the tree

[tranquil lintel]

it does

[mossy coral]

@patent dock You love half convertions, Bhuldar converts 50% fire 50% phys

[neon steppe]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGzbgVbx
Wrapping up tsunami scorp, was fun to build around but ultimately kinda jank. Damage was good, clear was good, mana regen nightmare semi solved. If anyone has ideas on how to make it better let me know, probably gonna do some uber attempt but dont have high hopes despite the build easily clearing 1000c

[unkempt thistle]

Beastmaster, Level 99

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (56) / Shaman (31)

General:

▸ Health: 3,871, Regen: 21.05/s
▸ Mana: 257.58, Regen: 23.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 196%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 98 Str / 28 Dex / 98 Int / 73 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 94% / 125% / 101% / 125% / 96% / 107% / 114%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 835
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,742)

Used skills:

Summon Scorpion / Tempest Strike / Maelstrom / Warcry / Fury Leap

[neon steppe]

https://medal.tv/games/last-epoch/clips/msLH8exW4-7Ej0QDh?invite=cr-MSx6SlksMTg5MTIyNjE2&v=21

[mellow kestrel]

1000c is great lol

Never been that high

Can you explain tempest totem choice plz, wasn’t expecting that

[neon steppe]

uh semi 'bug', gives u lagoon gladitor stacks

[mellow kestrel]

WHAT

[neon steppe]

yea

and u stack cast speed for totems

look at the clip

i sit around 15-20 on bosses

to be fair, this is how it should work given how fugging useless the totem are otherwise

[mossy coral]

You're casting maelstrom with that mana regen? Oh lord

[neon steppe]

i never go oom

foot of the mountain helps a decent amount

[mossy coral]

aaah you're standing still

[neon steppe]

only on bosses really

warcry + a couple cast clears the screen usually

[mossy coral]

The AoE from scorpion is that effective huh

[neon steppe]

i kinda underestimated how much damage the dot from maelstrom on scorp is doing too, could probably invest a little into that for overall damage

on dummy im hitting 10-15 million

hate having to use foot of the mountain though tbh its just annoying, also the fact that it doesnt have a 2nd move speed mod bothers me

[mellow kestrel]

Today I learned tempest totems can give gladiator of lagon 🤯🤯🤯

[mossy coral]

I needed 20+ stacks to hit decently and 30 for screen AoE but my dmg was 💩

[mellow kestrel]

That’s awesome tech

[neon steppe]

thank zeckar, he found it out lmao

[mellow kestrel]

Wait so if you take the 50 int node, the totems can just buff your totems ?

For big spell dmg

[mossy coral]

Been like that ever since TS got changed

[mellow kestrel]

Wow never knew lol

[neon steppe]

what?

[mellow kestrel]

The node people take for storm crows

[mossy coral]

Yeah that's when they get double buff per stack

[mellow kestrel]

The totems could just give stacks as well and a lot more it seems like

[neon steppe]

double effect, the totems do 0dps

[mellow kestrel]

Right

[mossy coral]

Well yeah but *other * totems

[mellow kestrel]

Now I wanna run that with storm totem

Maybe it’s no good

[mossy coral]

It needs to ramp though, everytime you summon storm totem it reset to 0 stacks

[mellow kestrel]

Ahh right

[mossy coral]

position it with leap + minions TP works though

storm totem lasts a long time

[gray snow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/o3Zbxxna

Cooking up a real janky homebrew cold shaman.

Gathering storm with stormbolt and avalance procs from wolves and scorpion with avalance for nukes

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 82

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4.2

Class:

Primalist (21) / Beastmaster (15) / Shaman (54) / Druid (5)

General:

▸ Health: 1,898, Regen: 43.48/s
▸ Mana: 300.69, Regen: 14.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 23%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 14 Str / 9 Dex / 9 Int / 54 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 96% / 102% / 89% / 64% / 59% / 116% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 420
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (122)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 23% (752)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Summon Wolf / Maelstrom / Summon Scorpion / Avalanche

[mellow kestrel]

Cool build bad Larry thx for sharing

[neon steppe]

np, hope they mix up primalist here next season, running out ideas

[mossy coral]

I'd be very happy if they did

[mellow kestrel]

That 5th skill better come quick 😩

[mossy coral]

I kind of just want to submit a suggestion to bring back ice thorns until they add a new one

[mellow kestrel]

lol

[mossy coral]

It hits more than TS soooo not totally useless

[patent dock]

Those aftershocks definitely don't look fire

[patent dock]

If you were testing it with the above setup, it looks like it just doesn't convert at all. Bhuldar's has both adaptive and fire damage, so it would scale with both on a phys skill.

I'm not sure when Bhuldar stopped converting aftershocks, but hopefully you reported it as a bug lol

[mossy coral]

I checked after I knew in the video, was just showing off armor shred with bhuldar.
I tested and put on elemental DoT, fire and phys. They all made the aftershocks deal more dmg

[patent dock]

Was that all with Bhuldar equipped tho?

[mossy coral]

But that's true, it gives flat fire

[patent dock]

Yeah

[mossy coral]

can't really tell, it's hard. I'm also not re-specing to test around

[patent dock]

It would do a mix of phys and fire just by nature of being a phys skill with flat fire added

[mossy coral]

yes, Drax said if the node is picked in the tree it fully converts

[patent dock]

So I don't think it even converts half to fire, it's just all phys

[mossy coral]

Yeah, bhuldar might just not convert at all. It doesn't even do it when you evade

[patent dock]

RIP Bhuldar

Not even the main slam? 👀

[mossy coral]

Slam is probably fire? Haven't tested that

[patent dock]

For an ignite EQ build you likely want to disable aftershocks anyway

[mossy coral]

The dmg range is kinda high lol

[patent dock]

It should have 0 range on dummies

or maybe 0 variance is a better word lol

[mossy coral]

easiest to test with just evade

The hit seems to be fire but not aftershocks

[tranquil lintel]

from my testing the aftershocks are full physical

ive submitted a bug report

[mossy coral]

Only from bhuldar?

[tranquil lintel]

yeah only with bhudlar equipped

but when you convert it on the tree everything works as intended

[high stratus]

I'm guessing that when they made the lightning conversion convert the aftershocks they somehow broke the fire conversion?

[mossy coral]

The spell phys aftershock removal probably made them remove bhuldar convertion by accident

[high stratus]

EHG moment

[mossy coral]

If I was playing bhuldar fire aftershocks I would've riot, because would've been like the 6th bugged build I built around this season

[high stratus]

the 6th bugged build you built this season so far

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-worst-day-if-your-gif-23257643

[mossy coral]

😭

So many 🐛 🪲 🐞skills this season tbh

[high stratus]

btw did u see that volca tested corrupted form for lich offline and it works but online it doesn't?

the count as lowlife thing

[mossy coral]

Didn't they fix that for this season?

Wait, corrupted form?

[mossy coral]

They didn't fix that?

What kind of spaghetti makes it not work for online but it does for offline?

[lofty rover]

Good so dont need to test that ,I guess devs play on offline since they say it works

[mossy coral]

It's not even in the patchnotes and people complained about it the whole last season

[lofty rover]

I complained and asked multiple times on dev chat i got a ping of a mod to a dev response to someone like 3 days before patch saying it was working for him but tooltip error thats all,idk many people have said it doesn't work maybe that's why lich escaped nerfs

[high stratus]

The Abomination now devours Minions 25% faster. This also affects the rate it causes Minions to be Sacrificed with Destruction Engine allocated.
not to turn this into #💀┃acolyte but it beggar's belief that this was in the patch notes for 1.4 and they didn't fix or even note the build wrecking bug with Destruction Engine that makes it nigh unplayable.

[mossy coral]

Too much work, will circle back to that one in 1.5

[high stratus]

I'd settle for them just making it impossible to sacrifice the Abom at all if they can't fix it in other ways, it's not like sacrificing your abom is ever going to be a good build

[mossy coral]

I feel like they're already overwhelmed with changes and bugs, I don't think they want to do baind-aid changes like that though

I've done 28 echos away from the centre, orobyss hasn't spawned yet

[lofty rover]

Maybe idk stop adding stuff if the bugs are gonna be increasing instead of lowering

Like they nerf new mob from omen,its still one shots no matter your dr cause wouldn't you know its bugged and ignore your resistances and dr,and i dont understand why the enemies can crit with dot skills but the players cant

[mossy coral]

I think it should be prio #1 to fix curses for acolyte, literally the whole warlock class isn't working. It's like 5 skills and items

It's a pretty big thing

[lofty rover]

Can't really make builds properly apparently conditional more only apply to hit damage not dot so when abyssal echoes say 80% more damage for erasing strike vs slowed it only applies to hit ,and not dot so time rot cant use that,like gonna have to wait another patch for them to keep fixing their spagueti code like how they did with black hole

[mossy coral]

Idk about ailments if that should work or not against slowed applied by ES, seems pretty bogus though

[tranquil lintel]

damn unlucky that this didnt roll higher on the prefix

[mossy coral]

Damn gimme!

[lofty rover]

Its like supermassive stating more damage but only applied to hit damage cause it had a condition, if a node says more damage it should work for both damage types not only hit,there is a reason why we make distinction between hit and more damage in general.

[mossy coral]

I love that the chill isn't capped at 100%

[lofty rover]

Because of stuff like this you cannot make example a 1 shot time rot build showcase since its bugged ,like let players have fun with whatever they can make in new patch

[mossy coral]

yeah that's true, clear distinction makes it easier to understand what should and what shouldn't apply

You could, maybe can Idk if it got nerfed, use 10000000 javelins with timerot to kill uber

[lofty rover]

Having to wonder what's bugged and ain't its very annoying,its not for me to fix or report every bugged node, i play games not bugtest every single skill I dont have the time for that🤣

[lofty rover]

Thats dead it got changed ,you could do it with erasing strike if stuffed worked

[mossy coral]

Lmao, thought so

[patent dock]

Yeah, this is just how stat inheritance has always been

In that, technically, those conditional multipliers are not stats.

It's not a bug in that it's unexpected, maybe not necessarily intended, but not specifically unintended either.

[open ravine]

that tooltip is just bugged to internally it says hit damage, it's not just an issue with it being conditional.

[near leaf]

OO

[lofty rover]

I mean since I dont datamine and I aint a dev if stuff like tooltips are wrong they just need to fix it, i dont mind the more more on ocearon but like stuff stating stuff and not working is complete failure on their part

Imagine a new player that doesn't know how anything works

[open ravine]

yeah no it's an issue and I found out asking about it a long time ago, not from data mining

[mossy coral]

THIS is why aftershocks shouldn't be 1 meter, I can't even hit the boss 30% of the time, 50% of the time with the skinny harbringer

[lofty rover]

Rofl range so tiny

[mossy coral]

Aftershocks isn't proccing

[lofty rover]

Lets all go play ballista works as intended and easy to understand no bugs 💪

[mossy coral]

Can I just send this video to Mike so they know that it's a problem before they test on a dummy and say "no this is fine, near = close = I'm standing close to the dummy. NEXT!"

[lofty rover]

F8 what they gonna say 99% time

Idk if you can send videos through that

[mossy coral]

Gotta be gyazo or something I think

[near leaf]

Can send a link in there

[mossy coral]

You know a good website?

[near leaf]

Yt ?

[mossy coral]

😒

That's a lot of effort

[patent dock]

You could link to the discord comment you just posted

[mossy coral]

LL

[near leaf]

Not really
Drag and drop
5 Clicks and done

[tardy frost]

I love the "not specifically unintended" part, as it can explain literally anything in this game

something is not fixed? Well, if it was specifically intended to be, it would have been fixed!

[mossy coral]

Uploaded to youtube, would've been faster if it was a gyazo link and done ez pz.

[near leaf]

I mean, nothing stop you from using gyazo ?

I said yt cause I use it often

[mossy coral]

A picture is more fine, video is harder

Or well in gyazo case a 8 second long video

Remind me to check this video in a month to see if they've watched it 👀

[near leaf]

I have a feeling this is not working at 30%

[mossy coral]

You sure?

You also not thinking of the 3 second cooldown?

[near leaf]

OOOOH

Wtf

This is so bad

[mossy coral]

Speaking of, I don't feel like aspect of the viper is 30% chance to trigger

[near leaf]

I indeed get 1.8sec cd to trigger

[karmic bison]

The node next to it is good though

[near leaf]

This one ?

[karmic bison]

Yep

[near leaf]

Yup, its decent

I got no use for it but its decent enough

[karmic bison]

Id use it in a upheaval totems build

[near leaf]

I kinda want to try Werebear Upheaval Totem

[karmic bison]

Ive found out ive been playing the game wrong though. I need to craft essence weavers with lottery rolls

[near leaf]

But I feel like its going to be to close to what I am playing rn

[mossy coral]

No not the essence weavers

TS essence weaver, 1k mana full attack speed build

TS older brother, essence weaver

[karmic bison]

I need two t5 minion flat damage on it t5 melee attacks speed would be icing 👌

[mossy coral]

Win the lottery with more damage as a corrupt affix for it

For it to be trippeled

Minion dmg on that thing?

[near leaf]

Real question though

Why a 3sec cd ???

[mossy coral]

You mean Blight of Lachesis?

[mossy coral]

Can't let us have fun or have it being "useful"

[karmic bison]

Yeah it used to be bad but now its very bad.

[near leaf]

Typical EHG meeting
"I see primalists are having fun
Better nerf Swipe Totem

[mossy coral]

"Sir John Epoch what are we gonna do about tempest strike?"
"The what?"

[mossy coral]

At least bear can summon them

Dear fall of the empire, plz gib wall of nothing thx. 🙏

Thanks fall of the empire

[mossy coral]

Nice regen

[patent dock]

Yeah, probably very close indeed, kinda like what I've been playing

The totems + vines feels like a screenwide DOT puddle slam lol

[arctic glacier]

is there a reason to use the warcry totem node over regular warcry? not really seeing a difference in play with my avalanche build

[open ravine]

I had an idea for melee totems

btw you should take summon bear with swipe for claw totems

bear will summon on it's own CD

[high stratus]

can get you extra skill points for some builds

[near leaf]

DoT ?

[arctic glacier]

how does spending a skill point on a node get you extra skill points?

[mossy coral]

1 totem, you get the buffs for longer, it pulls 3 times, applies frailty for longer, you lose the 1 second invuln

[high stratus]

It's right next to the 5s cooldown node so there's no travel, so if you're using anything which adds more than 1 skill point for minions, cold minions (if you take the cold stuff) etc can net you more points than you spend to get it

[mossy coral]

If you have +lvls to minion skills you get more skill points

Like Phantom grip

[high stratus]

or apogee

[near leaf]

Holy !! First Argentus kill of the season

Got all the loot

[mossy coral]

Cheater!

Corrupt the idol

[high stratus]

cold upheaval regen build nao?

[mossy coral]

Not worth, I did it and the dmg sucked

But hey, maybe you succeed

[patent dock]

It feels like a DOT because the thorn totems and whatnot just blitz the screen with thorns at light speed

[mossy coral]

Oh you mean vlad

[near leaf]

Pretty pog ngl

[mossy coral]

Free attack speed

[high stratus]

was that before or after upheaval got buffed?

[mossy coral]

After

[near leaf]

Upheaval totem sucks ??

[high stratus]

primalist primalisting

[mossy coral]

If you skip the health regen and do a normal build I think it's okay

[patent dock]

Direct use upheaval seems to be in a much better spot now

Shattered lance upheaval would probably be fine, just not as a maul build

[mossy coral]

Not the totem, shattered lance upheaval

[near leaf]

Ah!!

I like Conf idea on Upheaval with the primo 2h axe

[mossy coral]

Yeah, he said it was slow though

[tranquil lintel]

dropped their entire wardrobe

[open ravine]

not as good now that the master of totem node has cap 🙁

[tranquil lintel]

damn ive been trying to get this on mine, nice one

[patent dock]

Event horizon should be pretty solid for bossing on upheaval

I can't imagine that thing ever being enjoyable for clearing though lol

[mossy coral]

I'm sure foot of the mountain is pog with that hammer

[patent dock]

Not affected by halved move speed if you have 0 move speed 🧠

[mossy coral]

Galaxy brain

[near leaf]

Alright done for the night

Got all the time line to 300C and killed Abby

With this beauty as weapon
You know for a spell build 😢

[mossy coral]

What a good weapon for spells

[near leaf]

Pog helm though

I wonder if I go str or cdrs while transformed

[mossy coral]

Gonna use it?

[near leaf]

Yup

I have so much rage sustain

It would be a crime not to use some for tankiness

Pretty nice

I made those too

[mossy coral]

Nice gloves

[near leaf]

Oh forgot to corrupt

[fiery rivet]

i need a super low investment build to level until i get my required uniques and idk what to do

[near leaf]

CATZY !!!!

[mossy coral]

Holy uber ready

[near leaf]

I still have my god tier palarus

So maybe not yet

[mossy coral]

Yeah it'll carry you

The seed is disgusting

[near leaf]

Alright crafting done for tonight

Ran out of Havocs

[mossy coral]

I ran out of havocs and redemptions, still looking

[near leaf]

1.3 sec

We are getting there

[mossy coral]

Damn so close!

[near leaf]

Tomorrow > Belt and Sword prophecies

[tranquil lintel]

Whats your build Vlad?

[crude cosmos]

Spicy

[near leaf]

Werebear Shatter Totem

Press maul > Detonate the screen

[tranquil lintel]

That sounds like a blast

[near leaf]

It is

And pretty simple to play

Good lord !!! cant wait for s5 to see what they do with rerolling prophecies

[mossy coral]

Can't wait for TS 2.0

[wise leaf]

Scorp nova needs basically nothing

[fiery rivet]

how does it feel to play is it clunky?

[wise leaf]

Bro you're in primalist. You shoupd be asking what flavour of clunky it is

You need to land eterra's blessing casts on a single minion

To deal full dps

Wasd movement makes it easier to target if you use that

[dense heath]

How are the fire crows compared to the lightning crows?

[sly bobcat]

Tier 1, trash it

[light root]

is the "unmatched storms" node for storm totem bugged? the totem doesn't seem to do anything if i spec into it
I thought maybe it needs storm stacks but even if i generate some the totem doesnt seem to attack

[patent dock]

That is technically true, because we're on TS 2.0 right now

[near leaf]

Weaker

[patent dock]

but they look neat

[dense heath]

gotcha. whats the best minion for uber? bear?

[near leaf]

Last season I did Uber on 1lp t7 with cold crows

[sly bobcat]

Probably bear or lightning crows

gigachads do it with fire raptors

[dense heath]

damn only on 1 lp. what about frogs?

[near leaf]

Dunno

I don't like minions builds where you sit down and watch your minions work for you

[mellow kestrel]

Using the phoenix axe ?

[sly bobcat]

If you can figure it out, props to you

Fire raptors are pretty mid

[patent dock]

Hit min roll on envy, big oof FYI

[sly bobcat]

I didn't even know that corrupt could do anything to the affixes on sets. I thought it just always bricked it or turned it into a reforged item

[neon steppe]

my scorpion is getting blasted hard in uberroth, i have some wiggle room in passive and gear slots, what should i prio?

im basically having to micro him while also dodging

so annoying there isnt a passive setting on minions :/

[patent dock]

Yeah, it's either min roll, max roll, reforge, or ruin

and it's iffy on whether the min/max roll affects implicits.... sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't

50/50 shot on the implicit maximizing

oh yeah, I guess also it can "replace with random item" instead of ruin, but same thing

[wise leaf]

Wait really?

What scorp variant we talking?

[wise leaf]

I mean suicide solo raptor would prolly do uber really well

[neon steppe]

tsunami scorp

to be fair i dont have a single minion hp affix anywhere

he just dies outta no where

[wise leaf]

A single t5 minion health should be plenty

[neon steppe]

bet ty

[wise leaf]

The aspect of the lynx crit leech should sustain just fine

Provided it has the ehp

[neon steppe]

thats the problem, its big bursts of damage so sometimes if im moving, and not casting, he isnt really doing damage

cause he doesnt leech from the dot maelstrom

[wise leaf]

Yeah but leech lasts for a good bit

[neon steppe]

alright cool ill see where i can fit in minion hp

[wise leaf]

But yeah if you don't like, micro him when abby is doing the big chargeup slam wave

Scorp's gonna die

I'm assuming you've got some str stacking going on.

[patent dock]

Not while the scorp is at full health tho

[wise leaf]

True, but if it's at full health then you've got time

[neon steppe]

I mean should he able to survive the expanding circle slam?

Currently I’m moving him out of it

[wise leaf]

Not consistently

I think

If no t5 minion health then definitely not

I had mine survive it once or twice in my test attempts

Tsunami scorp prolly has better ability to survive it cos you can better activate its sustain from a distance

But that wave still does a loooot of damage

But you also risk more if the scorpion does die

Nova scorp doesn't give a crap

2 blessings and it's up with full health

[neon steppe]

its atleast avoidable if i micro him, the lane attack that leaves fire and random other stuff usually takes him out too, trying to rez him when he is sleeping on a pool is miserable

[wise leaf]

God that change was nice (companions reviving with full hp)

Yeah in my testing with nova scorp he hardly ever died

With just that one t5 minion health

Well, with health from pale ox and inheritance too but those are very minor

[winged swallow]

How my current omen monoliths go. the omen summons like 4-5 champions they stand on top of each other. My storm bolts shotgun on to them causing a "infinite storm bolt" effect and my game crashes

been on this screen for 2 minutes now

I cooked to close to the sun

physical GS is broken in a different way then being meta

The game can not handle my "Death by a 1000 tiny rocks" build

[wise leaf]

Lol

Those are definitely tiny rocks judging by the damage numbers

[winged swallow]

yes but there's thousands of them per second in big packs. mows em now in frames

My only armor shred is the 100% armor shred per storm bolt hit in the GS tree and I get into the thousands of stacks

"when enemies are grouped"

other side of that coin. My game crashes...

it's a hilarious build when it works and super fun to watch

[neon steppe]

@wise leaf scorpion is giga now

eats the slam no problem

ty for the tip

[wise leaf]

Turns out over doubling its ehp with a single t5

Is pretty good for survivability

Rofl

[patent dock]

Might be highest server DPS build in game right now

[karmic bison]

Anyone try arborist node in storm crow recently? Might mess around with it later tonight with upheaval totems

[winged swallow]

Truly a feat of epic proportions

[candid topaz]

For frog build, is there a better Amy then evos end?

Any recommendations?

Thinking about just using a exalted but was wondering what you guys think

[wise leaf]

Hmmm

[wise leaf]

Exilus

Phat all attributes

[candid topaz]

I was just looking at that and it does look better. I don't need the res and the extra str and dex will make up for the 40% minion dmg.

[winged swallow]

Darnit man. I've gotten more attack speed. And now every greater omen window is like a guarantee crash.....darn you Physical GS why do you have to be so awesome

[winged swallow]

Woohoo I hit a new "seeable record" before crashing

7000 something stacks of bleed and 23894 stacks of armor shred

and then my game closed

Help the stove, floor, and ceiling is on fire. I'M COOKING WITH TO MUCH SAUCE

AND HERE COMES THE PHYSICAL GS USER WITH THE STEEL CHAIR

and my game crashed

over 2k storm bolts a second

note to self. Do not attempt "Omen Champion Echoes" with this build

It is literally a guarantee crash when I fight 3 champion enemies at a time

[wise leaf]

Jesus

Post the plannerM

I wanna take a look

This sounds like there's actually a viable build somewhere tangential

Not just viable but legit good

[wise leaf]

Is this doing this literally via storm stacks?

[winged swallow]

it's like 5 different things

[wise leaf]

Ahk

[winged swallow]

storms stacks from GS, storm bolts from maelstrom, storm bolts from fury leap, and the shaman node that has a 25% chance to double all indirect storm bolts

[wise leaf]

Yeah but bolts from maelstrom and fury leap aren't gonna be that significant

[winged swallow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdzJKgWO

[unkempt thistle]

Shaman, Level 100

Game Version:

Season 4: Shattered Omens / 1.4

Class:

Primalist (25) / Beastmaster (22) / Shaman (66)

General:

▸ Health: 6,802, Regen: 1,143.45/s
▸ Mana: 354.51, Regen: 23.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 82%, Regen: 34/s
▸ Attributes: 111 Str / 41 Dex / 41 Int / 93 Att / 49 Vit
▸ Resistances: 106% / 98% / 106% / 118% / 103% / 134% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 62%, Threshold: 1,412
▸ Dodge Chance: 7% (223)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 77% (10,015)

Used skills:

Gathering Storm / Warcry / Earthquake / Fury Leap / Maelstrom

[wise leaf]

How many maelstrom stacks do you generate?

[winged swallow]

the main Core synergy powers are Gathering Storms: Lightning Strikes twice and Two-eyed storm + the Conflux shaman passive that can double indirect bolts

[winged swallow]

I am at a constant 22-24

Lightning strikes twice + Two-eyed storm + Conflux literally has a chance infinitely loop the storm bolts if 2-3 rares/bosses are being hit at the same time

not really "viable" on solo bosses where that's all you are fighting. But I nearly one shot any rare or champion if they have adds by them

[wise leaf]

Get aspect of the boar's bleed chance/pen node

[karmic bison]

This bug seems likev it's similiar to how aura of decay used to be.

[wise leaf]

And your damage goes way up

I'm pretty sure

[karmic bison]

the game doesnt like when it has to calculate lots of dots. I think one time I left aura of ddecay on me and got to 100k armor shred stacks before game crashed and stuff

[wise leaf]

Well yeah but prolly worth ditching the armor shred

[winged swallow]

Yeah I have no idea how to bug report something this "severe". But it is 100% consistent. If I fight 3 champion's at once I will 100% crash no matter what

[wise leaf]

Yeah this is just gonna be them preventing the infinite loop in some way

It's not really a bug you're just overwhelming the server instance lol

[karmic bison]

submit bug, and link me your planner. i'll let em know.

[winged swallow]

i'm also a little afraid...

[karmic bison]

send me a small video too

[winged swallow]

what if they cap my storm bolts per second on conflux....and I now just do 0 damg

[karmic bison]

I mean sure it might be nerfed, but also they generally give more damage multi's

[winged swallow]

I don't want GS to just be GUTTED and the entire primalist community just hates me

[karmic bison]

that wouldn't happen lol

[near leaf]

GS is already bad, there is nothing to gut

[wise leaf]

Er

Not gonna lie

While i do think this should prolly be fixed just cos server shit

[karmic bison]

doubt many primalists are playing a build that purposefully crashes their game and finds it fun and continues to play for more then a minute too :/

[wise leaf]

I have absolutely no faith of they won't just kneecap gs further without fixing it to have viable options when actively used

[proud basin]

i play frogs but at 500 corruption i get one shot by big hits, need to get that double red ring asap

2.3k hp and ward at idle

i thought i was tanky but it doesnt

[karmic bison]

nah they wouldn't do that since gs is already trash lol...

[wise leaf]

serpent strike

[winged swallow]

exactly....TS is absolute garbage, swipe is just to gain crit chance.... aspect of the shark gutted....Physical GS is all melee primalist has left...

[karmic bison]

they didnt kill bear tho

[near leaf]

As per EHG tradition, direct use of a skill is the worst way to use it

[karmic bison]

they made gradual nerfs to it which was perfect balancing.

[wise leaf]

Sure but bear was broken op

[near leaf]

Upheaval got buffed

[wise leaf]

This is broken cos it's server melting

[proud basin]

maybe i should roll a warpath to farm my stuff

before playing the actual build

[near leaf]

Nah, gradually upgrade your gear

[karmic bison]

yeah several other skills have done this in the past

[near leaf]

You don't have to sit at 1.5k hp

You can add life on your stuff

[winged swallow]

yeah I have 4k HP currently on my primalist while having absolute garbage equip

[near leaf]

Do you have endurance?
Armor?

[winged swallow]

HP is easier then ever to get

[proud basin]

okay ill yeet all my cof on ring

my ring is horrendous

[neon steppe]

is the bane of winter buff from s4 bait?

for some sort of TS build

[karmic bison]

don't know I rarely play things that aren't minion builds

[near leaf]

Yes

Because TS is bait

[neon steppe]

why must i only like primalist

eternal suffering

[karmic bison]

ts is like a stock toyota Corolla lol....

[karmic bison]

OK I didn't know avalanche scorpion was so good rofl

scorpions avalanche casting scorpions eq.

[karmic bison]

casting more avalanches, and more shotgunny when u have the as's around the totem

[tranquil lintel]

I keep thinking about the interaction between stacking bleed duration on idols with reliquary nest and increased effect Altar. Whilst running taste for blood to half the duration. But I've seen people mentioning in here that there's not really any good ability for applying bleed?

[near leaf]

Your best skills to apply bleeds are companions

Squirrels, Saber, Bear

[karmic bison]

the best buff ability is aspect of the boar which applies to you and companions, so getting insane boar effect would go hard with bleed.

or in theory it should

[tranquil lintel]

Ok so increased boar effect idols stacked instead. Which minion/s do you think would be best?

[near leaf]

Squirrels, Saber, Bear

Bear might lack single target, never played it

[tranquil lintel]

I've not played a single minion build in this game unless you count falconer, which I don't.

Squirrels looks on paper to be very good for this idea. Would I just run swipe then? Frenzy totem + warcry

[near leaf]

Yup

Leap for traversal and moving your squirrels

I would highly recommend zeckar's 4 solo squirrels tech

It makes the build so much smoother

[radiant matrix]

opinions on this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etoSkZIuGug I was looking for a freeze build and noticed this one.

[near leaf]

It's decent, I don't agree with some of the choices. I think you can do much better

[high stratus]

One of my favourite sets in any ARPG, I wish primalist could get something this cool

[near leaf]

What game is that?

[high stratus]

Chronicon

[near leaf]

Thought Id recognised the font

[high stratus]

every build in that game is defined by some kind of unbounded damage ramp

the longer you're in a fight the more dps you do

kind of like if storm stacks weren't consumed to cast a storm bolt, had a short duration and each time you gain a stack it refreshed all other stacks

[radiant matrix]

any suggestion? I am kind of an idiot when making builds

[tranquil lintel]

chronicon is such a fun game to make builds in

[high stratus]

Actually this would be a pretty cool unique item idea, cap storm stacks somewhere between 35-45 and make them do this

[near leaf]

Yulia's Path Boots
Specc Maelstrom
Body armor pale ox

[tranquil lintel]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/n49icq0u

what do you think of the idol seetup?

[raven sluice]

Pale ox nurfed 😭

[near leaf]

If you go companion, wrong prefix

[tranquil lintel]

there'ss chance to refresh companion ability on kill? think thats the better choice?

but then im not sure ill ever actually be killing anything

[near leaf]

Why not
Isn't there minion AS?

[tranquil lintel]

not on ornate. There's not many good choices. Could just be vitality

[raven sluice]

I'd prolly do vitality. It's a nice chunk of hp and res

If you couldn't get anything for your squirrels

13 vitality is 78 life and 26% total res. Not that bad

Iirc

[near leaf]

Nothing on large? (I think? The one just shorter)

[tranquil lintel]

doesnt look like it

I'm assuming I'd want Spirit wolf on swipe?

[near leaf]

Yup

And not cd on Swipe

Phys Shred, spirit wolves, mana, execute

[wise mica]

anyone know why maxroll frog build uses this?

[near leaf]

Are you using Cleaver Solution?

[wise mica]

no

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/anurok-frogs-beastmaster-guide

thats the build

[near leaf]

Neither is the guide?

Well, I guess it's just good ehp

[wise mica]

hp regen for ward part?

[near leaf]

Yeah, and also since you are a minion build, hp regen is your sustain

This act as a double sustain source

[raven sluice]

Beastmaster can get a fair bit of regen scaling basically for free

Maybe not on frogs? But since all beastmasters want to sum dex and str to 100 or something, and it's usually easier and better to get str, and you have str nodes that give flat regen to you and minions, plus x pt bonus to get regen per str, it's just natural to lean into

Unless solo companion but those usually have str anyway

[wise mica]

u r a good man @near leaf

[raven sluice]

Str scaling armour is very nice assuming it scales your skill

[near leaf]

Trying my best

[tranquil lintel]

how does this look?

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/n49icq0u

im a big minion noob. I dont know where to put the 6 points in the passive tree

and im really not sure about the affixes on the weapons

and should the gloves just be Julra's with Asp%?

[near leaf]

Yes

Because you double dip with AS

You getting more as = more spirits
And your squirrels getting more as too

God, I hate Maxroll planner on phone

Sorry I can't look at passives and skills
It's too annoying

[tranquil lintel]

no worries, i've never tried looking at the planner on the phone. I find most arpg sites are awful on phones because of all the nodes and trying to hover descriptions so I just avoid it at all costs. Thanks for trying

[near leaf]

Letools isn't that bad

[tranquil lintel]

being a hoarder of gear for "builds I might play" is really paying off right now

[limpid veldt]

hmm, is bleed better than crit for squirrel?

thing is,

I want to try a dot BM

[tranquil lintel]

I've no idea. Im just trying it because I've done everything i want in the season so now im doing memes

[limpid veldt]

dont know if I should try scopion or bleed minions

[near leaf]

Bleed has more versatility

Because with the same gear you can play different minions

[limpid veldt]

how about dmg output?

[near leaf]

🤷

I stop at 500c
So at that point everything is fine

Scorpion is very button intensive

[limpid veldt]

hmm

my goal is to defeat uber with max t7 gears :)))

in sub 1 min 15s

[raven sluice]

I would imagine scurry is giga nice for bleed, while howl of the west wind is giga nice for crit?

[near leaf]

I mean, given that you edit your gear. Just try them all

And let us know

[near leaf]

Indeed

[raven sluice]

But you get 4 squirrels with solo companion nodes now?

[near leaf]

Yup

[raven sluice]

So scurry is kinda giga then. Nice

[tranquil lintel]

im swapping my failed attmpet at a swarmstrike druid over to bleed squirrels rn

[raven sluice]

Duo solo wolf is also very cool. I have no idea which is stronger, but I know that was very strong

[tranquil lintel]

and by failed attempt, I got so fed up with how locusts and swarm strike work i just gave up

[near leaf]

For squirrels iirc 4 solo =11.7 regulars so you loose a bit but the ramp up as bleed is so much better I want to say it ends up being more dmg

[raven sluice]

Nice

[near leaf]

For wolves 2'solo wolves = 6.48 wolves

So straight better

[raven sluice]

In any case, I think howl of the west wind you probably wanna use gavel + maybe a tempest maw, both with t7 flat lightning. Then idols and other gear is somewhat free except helm of course. Scurry you use the helm ofc, then idols for boar effect, but weapons are free?

[near leaf]

I think I used dual Apogee

For skill lvls

[raven sluice]

So it's kinda like, how much better is scurry due to giga life rolls, playstyle, and what you cook with the rest of gear

[raven sluice]

Apogee is nice

[near leaf]

And this

It's generic More Dmg

[tranquil lintel]

ooh

[raven sluice]

I would assume that duo wolf being the crit build with your flat on the minions, scurry needs to cover ground. But scurry does have giga life roll and doesn't consume weapon slots

[raven sluice]

That seems very nice

And boar is giga ofc

Both defensively and offensively on bleed

Scurry easily giving +7 Wolf and like 35% HP is cracked. Apogee's too

As well as like 30% more dmg due to doubling your minions while only applying a moderate nerf per minion

[near leaf]

Not sure I'll go with +4 wolves on scurry

Minion bleed/bleed duration

Str maybe

[raven sluice]

Both builds should be very strong at least. I can't make a reliable guesstimate which is stronger, but both should be very strong

[raven sluice]

Fair

[near leaf]

Especially when dw Apogee

You get +6 from there

[raven sluice]

I might play bleed quad scurry and compare with my wolves last season. I don't remember how far I got, but I might have some intuition remaining from that experience anyway

[raven sluice]

Ah, yup

Lightning wolves are probably hungrier for points than squirrels too

Squirrels with a stronger aspect of the boar might even have the same baseline tankyness as wolves. Otherwise I'd wanna take the opportunity to get some more life on them. But:

1. Might be able to anyway
2. Might not be needed

[near leaf]

Actually

I am a few pts short 😂

[karmic bison]

ok scorpion avalanche eq shaman is my new favorite shaman build.

[tranquil lintel]

is there any reason why warcry can only affect bear and raptor and aspect of the panther can only affect sabertooth (atleast the last one makes some sense thematically due to the name)

[high stratus]

if they affected all minions then primalist would have too much qol

[near leaf]

Warcry gives bleed chance to wolves and Scorp too

[tranquil lintel]

I should have specified the berserk buff, but that makes it even more confusing. why can we give bleed to wolves but not give them more attack speed and damage with the same skill

[near leaf]

If you want a real answer > #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

But I think it's going to be smth like
Flavor / if its too generic you always pick the same thing and end up with the same build

[tranquil lintel]

that makes sense but there's seemingly no pattern to when they decide to design by theme vs generic power

[high stratus]

some skill trees are all neat thematic stuff that isn't very powerful and others are just generic more multi after generic more multi

[tardy frost]

didn't it use to be bugged? Was it fixed?

[raven sluice]

How good is the scorp? Are you stacking str or att or spell or minion dmg? I'm intrigued but skeptical

I'm doing avalanche tsunami without scorp, and had to go LL for mana (apathy)

I guess str gives scorp flat dmg

[high stratus]

I just had a goated idea. Aftershock & Avalanche Boulder Idols for minions

[raven sluice]

Hmm. Scorp loop seems fun

How much mana does it drain?

And how far can it loop while keeping skill trees on triggered skills?

[karmic bison]

none since i'm in spriggan form :d

I cracked the code.

so you take this.

[tranquil lintel]

Banka, a few days ago you mentioned casting eq in bug form and im still puzzled by it

[karmic bison]

and you pair it with

[tranquil lintel]

was it what you're explaining here

[karmic bison]

ohhh to cast eq in bugform you need the two handed weapon

[austere dove]

Hey guys I’m a noob and am thinking of playing storm crows but wanted to know if the actual attacks you do feel slow?

Like not your crows

[tranquil lintel]

Oh I see, I dont know why but I thought you were talking about something else and I was at a loss

[near leaf]

No because most of the time.you spam Tempest Strike and that has a lot of attack speed

[austere dove]

Ok cool thanks

[tranquil lintel]

are you scaling eq as a spell or melee with this setup

[karmic bison]

I just leaned more into snow crash for much more avalanche procs for the scorpion, so all the aftershock stuff