🧙┃mage

[proven haven]

at 35% chance

yea

whats T8 for it?

[waxen sigil]

4 hits at 35 yeh

Idk

[flint olive]

i played an og version of that sorc back fairly early beta, where it used urzil's to help fix mana regen

[waxen sigil]

But I think maybe those chains bypass

[flint olive]

cause static orb spam with static triggering LB eats mana so fast

[waxen sigil]

The chain limiter single target thing

Not sure didn’t check to hard

[proven haven]

static orb spark charge is new with 1.2 though

[flint olive]

ye

it relied purely on the offhand

[waxen sigil]

Ya I saw it looks cool I used it this patch

[flint olive]

and it was like half and half

bit of spark as bonus

[waxen sigil]

20 int from Orion’s Belt u mean right

[flint olive]

hardest content was t4 zulra so its not like you needed metric ton of scaling back then

[waxen sigil]

Oh yeh killed her in 1 sec back then

Cosmically annhilated w meteors

[flint olive]

another bonus meme option

[waxen sigil]

Not a meme

That’s the most exploitable item they came out w imo

It should not be released it will break the game

[flint olive]

also this seemed like a nice QoL thing

not a flashy offensive thing but stun immune, handling crit and giving bunch of armor at once

[proven haven]

How much % mana regen could we get realistically

few hundred fairly easily I guess

[flint olive]

anywhere between 200-300% incr

more than that starts to eat on other things

did they remove it or did i hallucinate there being mana regen on idols

ye there are 1x1

ok you can go beyond 400% mana regen if you start putting idols etc in too for it

the flat mana also helps scale this for bit more

[waxen sigil]

I think we can get well over 2k mana not too much trouble right

Couple mana rolls, and the % increase to max 3k is very attainable yeah?

[flint olive]

with 400% incr mana regen you get 33 mana and almost 400 hp per hit up to 4 times per 2 sec

66/800 per sec

[harsh abyss]

Almost double what you'd get for 400% increased regen rate

[harsh abyss]

I still think this should be 1 flat mana regen per 100 mana

[flint olive]

also it only disables mana regen

so stuff like mana refund chance still works

mana on potion from orian's belt

on top of that you get like 40%ish cast speed and good bunch of incr dmg

[flint olive]

there should be some niche way to get flat mana regen for sure

but not something that every build can just slot on easily

[harsh abyss]

144% increased frenzy effect is 48% attack/cast speed, which is nuts for a helmet

[left hill]

#🧙┃mage message Could get >1000% on a Focus build lol. But that's very specific

[left hill]

that's a good point. Frost Claw's Gift of Winter could be fun with it

[waxen sigil]

I’m thinkin ladle and that ring might not be the best atm

Like ya ladle 30 flat cast spd and 48% more

And easy lp item

But at what cost of weapon

Are u picking up another set bonus w the ring somewhere

[harsh abyss]

48% more damage is massive

[waxen sigil]

I know I know

But what could u get for a more multiplier with more skill points

Every skill is different obviously

[harsh abyss]

Also don't forget that ladle is 1 cast speed per 2 int, which is like... 50-100% cast speed

I only wouldn't go ladle if you're doing something like my "trigger everything" concept

[proven haven]

it's awkward because you need to start channeling while low and continue channeling to keep the effect but if you were giga mana stack I guess 3000% mana regen possible? So 500 mana per second and 6000 life per second

[waxen sigil]

4 levels of int skills on the primo wand ????

[harsh abyss]

That sounds like an amazing way to do a Culvinar's focus build, actually

[waxen sigil]

Is that not madness

[harsh abyss]

Not as madness as Vilatria without the staff. Can't use both of them, so the ring is way better

[waxen sigil]

Idk not sold the flat is sick for sure

[proven haven]

yea this is what I was thinking you just need to have something thats giving damage while channel focus

[harsh abyss]

I mean... with 3000 mana just build for Energy Overflow?

Then you kaboom by default

[waxen sigil]

I guess I kind of design my chars in a less practical way

[proven haven]

its total ass when you aren't full

you need unstable energy

[harsh abyss]

oh right I forgot unstable energy requires full mana, hmm

[waxen sigil]

Culnivars is not good tho guys

[proven haven]

you could do overcharge

[waxen sigil]

Really bad item

[proven haven]

but I dont think this mana would overcharge

since its not focus giving mana

[waxen sigil]

I hope to be proven wrong tho

[harsh abyss]

Also since you'd drop to zero mana as soon as you capped, so it just wouldn't work with Culvinars

[left hill]

counterpoint: the memes

[proven haven]

you could keep arcane ascend up for a long time

[harsh abyss]

You could take the points from Unstable energy and jsut accept that your DPS would be mediocre, but make yourself amazingly tanky

[waxen sigil]

Respect I will support u

[proven haven]

what if you just say whatever to the full mana

and keep arcane ascend up

eventually you will ramp hard enough to kill uberroth or whatever

[waxen sigil]

just sayin

[proven haven]

this is some sort of bug?

that's int cap

[harsh abyss]

AA costs 25 + 1 per second

If you're generating 500 mana per second, that means you could theoretically sustain AA for 475 seconds before it starts running you out of mana.

[waxen sigil]

yes 8 bit integer or w/e

16

i posted a clip from yesterday when i was testing out some other things up in the convo

[harsh abyss]

Theoretically that's 2375% increased damage from AA, lol

[waxen sigil]

let me c

[proven haven]

you just giving yourself stats in offline to test things?

[waxen sigil]

no

just breakin items and skills and stuff in game

testin things seeing how stuff works

[proven haven]

why would bleed duration give you instant ramp

[waxen sigil]

there are items that do that kind of stuff

[proven haven]

oh

[waxen sigil]

long duration cut it in half repeatedly

[proven haven]

dot apply all at once?

[waxen sigil]

no have to hit a lot

i hit it before with other skills

this was using auto attack

[harsh abyss]

Does it double the speed every time you hit?

[waxen sigil]

yes /2 every tyime melee hit

[harsh abyss]

Like 2x - 4x -8x etc?

That's kinda nutty

[waxen sigil]

yea duration cut in half tho so

[harsh abyss]

Sure, I just figured it'd double once and then anything that had been doubled wouldn't be repeatedly affected

[waxen sigil]

Oh no yes it just keeps doin it

[harsh abyss]

That's actually kind of insane

[waxen sigil]

If I could refresh the duration to the original but keep the dmg

I unno how I think only sentinel has that not sure didn’t check

I doubt it would reset it to the original dur but never know

[proven haven]

What if you just forget instant sustain and just use focus as a mana battery?

[radiant vessel]

This is just infinite ward with symbol of demise right lul

[left hill]

Wait a second...

Free (no drawback)

kind of neat

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

[proven haven]

yeah so the tech is for a mana dump build

like meteor or static orb

this is already not terrible in 1.2

[harsh abyss]

We find our way back to Vilatria

[proven haven]

but you could dump refill really faster

[waxen sigil]

Yes but technically no not infinite the devs put in place anti ward stuff

[harsh abyss]

Only thing about Focus I don't like with that build is that you don't get any bonus from all the frenzy stuff while focusing

[radiant vessel]

Ah yeah, a metric shitload*

My bad

[waxen sigil]

Yes but a metric shitload -1

Because if u go over the amount you just get 0

[harsh abyss]

If cast speed affected the speed at which Energy Overflow did it's thing, that'd be amazing.

[left hill]

would be incredible

[proven haven]

I think you just mana dump with meteor self cast or something

then refill with focus

repeat mana dump

[harsh abyss]

Why do you need to dump mana at all?

Couldn't you just spam meteors forever?

[left hill]

Unstable Energy on AA would be bonkers if Energy Overflow scaled with cast speed 😂

[proven haven]

how you spam forever

[waxen sigil]

60 mana efficiency is rly good but it will make ur static orbs cheaper idk if that help the dmg or hurt them

[proven haven]

your regen is bad with focus is down

[harsh abyss]

I feel like you could get enough %regen to outpace the cost of meteor or static orb without needing to channel focus

you don't NEED 500 mana/sec, especially with the mana refund from Archmage

[radiant vessel]

Yeah don't think you're using it for static orb

You'd end up doing the same amount of damage with more casts or something

[waxen sigil]

What skill are we talkin

Metros ?

[radiant vessel]

Maybe even less damage idk how it works out

[proven haven]

meteor mana dump is good with that

[radiant vessel]

Yeah prob meteor dump

[waxen sigil]

Oh my bad

[radiant vessel]

Too bad we can't just insta dump them out with the belt anymore

Well you can but it only casts single meteors now

Kinda poopy

[waxen sigil]

Too bad black hole only cast 1 meteor too

[radiant vessel]

Yea

[proven haven]

https://youtu.be/KEs6sO7Ox7k I didn't dig too deep into the tech but this is what I had in 1.2

with meh gear

[radiant vessel]

Imagine dumping 2k mana worth of meteors with AA and the ring up

Sheeesh

[waxen sigil]

Cyborg what are u community person ?

[radiant vessel]

Nah just a mod

[proven haven]

personally I think you go set ring with vila helm and ladle for meteor dump

[radiant vessel]

Volunteer

[proven haven]

and you get stupid dps

[waxen sigil]

Oh I c

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

Ladle + Vilatria with ring is gonna be insane

[proven haven]

ill probably test it in a bit

but it should work

100% static orb gets sub 90s uber kill too

[harsh abyss]

Only problem with meteor specifically is your base damage won't get converted to lightning

[waxen sigil]

Meteor gets a lot of more from skill points

[radiant vessel]

Im just mad lightning meteor is on the staff/affix and not part of the set man

[harsh abyss]

Since that's on the staff specifically, not the set bonus

[proven haven]

it does convert?

oh

whateer base doesn't matter

[radiant vessel]

Yeah meteor loves points tbh

[waxen sigil]

But it don’t matter

[proven haven]

fire visuals on your light meteor

pog

[waxen sigil]

All the lightning is flat from set and still gets 1.8

[harsh abyss]

Lightning meteor visuals are much better.

[radiant vessel]

Rip that they halved the flat from the set

[radiant vessel]

Agreed

[waxen sigil]

They are pixelated for me

Maybe it’s antialiasing

[radiant vessel]

Yeah idk sometimes they are sometimes they aren't

[wise belfry]

Antialiasing should make it blurry rather than pixelated

[radiant vessel]

Nah they're like hella pixelated

Like pixel art looking lmao

It's not even aliasing

Prob LoD hitting hard with low settings or something

[waxen sigil]

Ya up in the sky is prob not giving a high render boss

Bias

[wise belfry]

Reminds me of when I ran out of vram on skyrim when i downloaded a grass mod.

Anything beyond 5ft from my char was lod textures lol

[waxen sigil]

Can we try to quantify the ring set and ladle

[radiant vessel]

Btw @waxen sigil stop abusing missing mana ward man xd

[waxen sigil]

48more and also 120 flat

[radiant vessel]

Ancient tech

[waxen sigil]

I don’t only use that

[radiant vessel]

Somehow still alive

[waxen sigil]

There are other things too

[radiant vessel]

Do you even need other things though

[waxen sigil]

Besides it was just for demonstration when someone posted that they had 30 second bleeds

I was like ok I’ll see what I can do

[radiant vessel]

Just that plus symbol and taste is enough for what you showed no

[waxen sigil]

It’s really hard to get missing mana now anyway and the ward formula is so damn aggressive and even ward has a hard cap

[radiant vessel]

Or do you mean for an actual build

[radiant vessel]

Ye ik it's not very practical

It is funny though

[waxen sigil]

Check arena ladder 🙂

[radiant vessel]

Oh you can stack it that quick? Honestly I can't remember what's left on negative mana

[waxen sigil]

There is no good way it takes to long now in any practical way, there is an extremely obscure way that’s fast

Tell them to delete that helmet tho

[radiant vessel]

Ah you meant before? Was gonna say how you stacking it fast enough between resets to not die of old age

[waxen sigil]

It will lead to extremely powerful

Like hotfix the helmet pre launch or people will be really upset

And the economy will be ruined by ppl

[radiant vessel]

The mana on hit one right

[waxen sigil]

Yeah

[radiant vessel]

Yep

Doubles your mana regen

[waxen sigil]

I won’t say how or anything

[radiant vessel]

It is what it is

[waxen sigil]

Eh, it be nice to save them a headache

Ppl who built around it getting nerfed, ppl who didn’t feeling like it’s meta

In a mostly non competitive game for 99% of ppl

[radiant vessel]

Riddle me this

Is it the no Regen line

Yep

Lmao

[wise belfry]

👀

[waxen sigil]

lol too late

Listen mages

A magician never reveals their secrets

[wise belfry]

It's all good I can't even read.

[radiant vessel]

Mages do like fooling around (this is old)

[waxen sigil]

But that helmet should cause no negative mana clause

Shatter strike

[radiant vessel]

Nah

[waxen sigil]

I remember

[radiant vessel]

Meteor

[waxen sigil]

Oh

[radiant vessel]

Even with all the shenanigans shatterstike only got to hundreds of millions

[waxen sigil]

They should put it no mana regen but also can’t go neg

[radiant vessel]

Negative mana is just a can of worms tbh

[waxen sigil]

That would be fair and maybe a buff somewhere else to help it

[radiant vessel]

Maybe just rework how negative mana even works

Cap it or something

[waxen sigil]

Idk it’s awesome when playing normally gets u out of a pinch awesome w focus

[radiant vessel]

Would fix any future oopsies

Yeah but if they limit it to like half your max mana

Would still have that

[waxen sigil]

Love it

Or even 1x

[radiant vessel]

Like it your max is 400 you can only go to -200

Yeah whatever right

[waxen sigil]

Yeh

[radiant vessel]

As long as it's capped

To not integer limit lul

Mana strike base damage based on mana loves that

Enough unholy scripture reading

[waxen sigil]

lets never speak about this again

[radiant vessel]

Back to ethical land

[waxen sigil]

only for science and memes

but anyway quantify the set and ladle

[radiant vessel]

Which set

Vilatria?

[waxen sigil]

vilatria

ring and ladle for meteor

200 int or 250?

[left hill]

eventually. it breaks even with passive regen at 92.3% increased regen and eventually 'doubles' it but there's a very long stretch before that where it's a 1.# multiplier to it (as long as you're hitting things ofc). like at 470% it's still not 2x

[radiant vessel]

Idk seems okay but nothing crazy since they halved the flat anyway

[waxen sigil]

its still a good amouynt tho and int is good anyway

[radiant vessel]

True

Free crit and inc damage

[waxen sigil]

%, retention, crit chacnce and more

[radiant vessel]

Doubles your increased mana regen*

[left hill]

that's fair

[waxen sigil]

bluefeather band -48% mana cost rly good

cant get that anywhere else really

LESS, not efficiency

[radiant vessel]

Yep it's huge

Doubles the effectiveness of mana gain basically

Helm for Regen, ring for gain

Like mana strike loves the ring if you're spending your mana on spells

Focus loves the helm assuming they work together

[waxen sigil]

how manyt stacks of fire aura did u ever get to

[radiant vessel]

I mean with the teleport duration reset?

[waxen sigil]

didnt know it

[radiant vessel]

Or ethically

[waxen sigil]

both

[radiant vessel]

With tp reset you could get infinite it was just slow and boring af

Ethically I've never even tried tbh

[waxen sigil]

what it reset the duration of them all?

[radiant vessel]

Iirc yea

Was a long time ago

[waxen sigil]

damn

i started in the flame reave something patch

.82 maybe, the one before runemaster

[radiant vessel]

0.9.2 was runemaster. 0.82 was before multiplayer

[waxen sigil]

yes before multipler i did

[radiant vessel]

Nice same

Not sure which patch

I started on the standalone client

[waxen sigil]

ill post a list of what i thinka re good ethical items

[radiant vessel]

Why though. Are you able to get good stacks lol

[waxen sigil]

couple screenshots

ya 100s

nothing to do w them

[radiant vessel]

Still pretty shit right lmao

[waxen sigil]

void armor, but nothing to lock them in and snapshot for exaple

[radiant vessel]

Yea

[waxen sigil]

couildnt find anything

only 1 thing but still sucked

[radiant vessel]

I've gotten over 100 for sure but never tried pushing it

Was a long ass time ago too stuff has changed I think

It used to be a standalone skill you know

Fire shield iirc

Then they decided to dump it on spellblade and I've been sad since

[waxen sigil]

oh yea damn

i liek that they put the slab to 75%

good call

[radiant vessel]

Lol yeah everyone spotted that

As soon as the set ring got revealed

[waxen sigil]

these i like for both ethical and not

[radiant vessel]

Perma flame ward does go hard

Sounds like a pain in practice though

[waxen sigil]

4 skills???????

4 skills int ward retention, 4 skills though

when people are talking mad alch ladle, ok nice, obvi it isnt a primal too but 4 skills youi could get 100% more dmg sometimes from a skill

but like not just 1 skill, ur entire kit

[radiant vessel]

Not wrong

Each attribute has one though tbf

[waxen sigil]

yea for mage i mean,

[radiant vessel]

Ye

[waxen sigil]

ring is cool for sure, nice to get a few more set active like what else

Like the invoker on exalted does it work like that?

[radiant vessel]

Wdym

[waxen sigil]

the primal ring that counts toward 1 item in any set

[radiant vessel]

I'm walking my dog at 4 am right now my brain is a bit smooth ngl

Yea

[waxen sigil]

i thought there were affixes sealed that could count toiwards set items

[radiant vessel]

Reforged items yea

[waxen sigil]

An item with this affix counts as a substitute for Isadora's Revenge for the purpose of getting the set bonus

[radiant vessel]

But the primal ring counts towards all sets at once

[thin shadow]

never played a mage before - are the runic invocation buffs meaningful at all? Ive liked the idea of the class, but it seemed before that you only normally use one or two spells from it

[radiant vessel]

Even sets that don't have a ring usually

But like invoker you gotta put an invoker affix on the exalt and it'll only count as invoker

[waxen sigil]

does the removal work to make shards

or shatter with nothing on it

whatever the trick was

[radiant vessel]

I don't remember

[surreal talon]

I play hardcore, not cowardcore

[waxen sigil]

so this can or cant go on legendary

no right?

[wise belfry]

set items can't be slammed

[waxen sigil]

oh i see, set longsword not exalted

[wise belfry]

it's both, it's got a reforged set affix.

[proven haven]

100c isn't high enough for "not cowardcore" to be a valid excuse yet xd

I certainly wouldn't blame you for being afraid to go above 300c or 500c but 100c is oof

[surreal talon]

Have you played hardcore? Without following a guide?

For reference. I first try killed abberoth with heartseeker in hardcore

I don’t play broken builds such as the channel mage build with amulet. Or any of sentinel builds in s2.

What is your reference of arrogance? Umbral blade falconer while following a guide?

[proven haven]

1 sec

That is a build from a guide, but I'm the one who made the guide

yes I've played HC

[surreal talon]

I don’t play arena. So it means nothing to me

[proven haven]

here you go

[surreal talon]

Sitting in one spot spamming abilities. I did that in Grim Dawn Crucible

[proven haven]

You are trolling my guy lol

[surreal talon]

Still, a different game than monoliths

[proven haven]

fine, monoliths https://youtube.com/live/d0GHxpvMXJY

here you go, 600+ C

[surreal talon]

Your first char in a season? Without twink gear?

[proven haven]

yes literally, you can see the entire vod from level 0 to 100

the entire 30 ish hours is there

from start to finish

[surreal talon]

Not going to watch a 30 hour video

[stone rapids]

what a wild string of comments here

[proven haven]

Even if it was twink gear (it's not) why would that even matter? You would still need a character to get there

[surreal talon]

It matters because when I got to empowered monoliths as solo self found mage, it was considerably weaker than archer, primalist I had

Then again, I played fire mage

[stone rapids]

so did he, there's literally video proof of this right there you're just not willing to watch it

[surreal talon]

What? It bears no relevance to me what he did. And if he plays a optimized build/skills that are actually viable

[proven haven]

It's an optimized build because I made it and optimized dude

[surreal talon]

When I got to empowered with ele nova, or black hole and that fire orb, they do 0 dmg

[proven haven]

lol

[stone rapids]

if you make an intentionally unoptimized build and use intentionally unoptimized skills of course you're not going to be able to get past 100

[surreal talon]

And my initial comment is that tons of mage abilities are lackluster. So why are you here internet glazing? Acting as if you’re a bigshot

[proven haven]

you asked

[surreal talon]

Nah. That was rhetorical. You are an internet basement dweller. This wasn’t for arguing. It was me pointing out disappointment over how many skills didn’t even get a numerical buff

[proven haven]

My whole point is that this is the typical "toxic hardcore player" nonsense that gives HC players a bad rap

[proven haven]

LOL nice.

[stone rapids]

if your standard is getting past 100 corruption literally every skill in the game can do that on hardcore solo character found. this is a you issue, friend.

[surreal talon]

Which are unuseable. Imagine a new player coming in and wanting to try skills, and finds out 1/3rd of them are not even viable in any sense of the word

[proven haven]

I agree, most skills suck. But why are you insulting softcore players? That's like unrelated to skills being bad

Even with bad skills you can get past 100c you just need to be more careful and take it slower

[surreal talon]

That’s my entire point. Even though they most likely have plans to revamp all classes to the status quo, they could’ve at least buffed the least used skills across the game

It’s just disappointing

[proven haven]

Yea I don't disagree but that doesn't have anything to do with SC vs HC

[surreal talon]

That’s just my own superiority, as we all have some

[stone rapids]

some skills are worse than others for sure but all the hostility was completely unnecessary

[south zealot]

@proven haven Hey, Is your Master of the Spoon build a good option as a season starter for HCSSF?

[proven haven]

yea it should be pretty strong

[stone rapids]

if you're struggling to make a build work you can post your planner in here and there's plenty of folks happy to give constructive feedback

[proven haven]

The spark nova variant does give up a fair bit of defense though to get those skill points so you may want to consider not going for those

[surreal talon]

No need for help. I can build well. You just feel how subpar some skills are, that no matter what you do with them, you can just swap to a more recent skill and be 10x stronger. That is just lame

[south zealot]

@proven haven got it. Thanks for your hard work helping many of us enjoying this game.

[surreal talon]

And as they state, 300-500c is the threshold most builds should reach, there are many skills that require almost perfect, insane gear to get there

[proven haven]

Also you should be able to follow along with Pinchingloaf, he will be using a lot of the techs I mathed out in his next LB build but doing it on HCSSF. I think his plan is Static Shell instead of unstable

[surreal talon]

Which means you just play the same builds everytime, which again is disappointing. You will not win this argument @stone rapids

[stone rapids]

nope, i have killed uber aberroth with 15 different builds this season, try again

[proven haven]

I don't really think so, you just need to be creative. It's really hard to come up with something new and also good but it is possible

[surreal talon]

Softcore don’t count

And uberroth is gear check, not skill check

[stone rapids]

i took 4 builds to 1000c on hardcore this season

[proven haven]

The strength mage I made last season came out of absolutely no where and it was one of the Mage builds that did very well in HC during 1.2, no one was doing Cleaver solution mage before that

[south zealot]

Got it. I will follow his streams/youtube to see his progress. Thanks again.

[proven haven]

just thinking outside the box

[surreal talon]

How many sentinels/falcon?

[stone rapids]

1

which was a forge guard

[proven haven]

oh hype

what build

[stone rapids]

shield throw

[proven haven]

lolwat nice

[surreal talon]

And the rest of the 3? That broken channel mage

[stone rapids]

it's pretty good, you can get a ton of flat with the shield and reflect idols

hungering souls lich, surge spellblade, and storm crows

[proven haven]

Why are you hating on the broken channel mage?

lol

[surreal talon]

So basically the strongest ones. That’s what I mean

[stone rapids]

hungering souls and surge are meta now?

[surreal talon]

The same builds get played over and over

[proven haven]

If someone makes a build and its good "naw it doesn't count"
If someone makes a build and its bad "see? impossible!"

[stone rapids]

who is playing hungering souls or surge lol

[surreal talon]

Remember, initial is without twink gear. How many work without everything optimized on the get go?

[stone rapids]

these were all solo character found, try again

[surreal talon]

Then kudos to you

Still, has no relevance to what I am talking about. How many useless skills exist that don’t even get a numerical buff as placeholder until the revamp. My argument still standa

And now you two are just glazi g

So tr again

Try

[proven haven]

I'm curious, if I come up with a stupidly good build no one else has made but don't make a guide / video, just keep it secret, would it "count"?

is it just when it becomes meta it doesn't count anymore?

[molten steeple]

@surreal talon you're so right, this frozen guy doesn't know anything

[left hill]

doesn't count because you can't prove it. also if you post a video of it working I won't watch it because it's too long /s

[surreal talon]

Everything works when it’s 85%+ optimized. And who knows optimisation? People who play alot. Didn’t know we are in PoE chat

Skills should work enough as a baseline that you can progress from early empmonos

[proven haven]

You are choosing to play Hardcore though?

I don't get it

[stone rapids]

you can reach 500c on hardcore scf with any skill in the game if you understand the fundamentals of buildmaking

[left hill]

the answer is simple ||they live under a bridge. 🧌 ||

[surreal talon]

Yea. Still doesn’t change the fact that some skills needed a slight buff pre revamp

[proven haven]

HC is a challenge mode, is it wrong if being successful in challenge mode requires some game experience?

[surreal talon]

Idk how the game is in sc, as I only play hc. So from my point of view, many skills are subpar and new season should address that, end of story.

[proven haven]

many skills are subpar yes

[stone rapids]

if you had simply said "there are skills in the game that should be buffed" we'd all be agreeing with you and could have had a productive conversation, but you have instead chosen to be openly hostile from minute 1

[surreal talon]

And talking from a pov of someone with how many thousand hours you have? Is irrelevant to my point. You shouldn’t need phd in the game mechanics just to make a skill your character is presented with, to be actually viable. Without feeling like a slog

[surreal talon]

That was my initial before you internet glazers had to be put down

For the record, I don’t care about yours or anyone elses opinion unless I ask for it. So sh, go back to bed

[proven haven]

people who don't play HC are cowards, people who do play HC better than me are tryhard basement dwellers

[stone rapids]

then why are you continuing this conversation if you aren't interested in our opinions

[surreal talon]

As I said, internet glazer egos need to tone down

[stone rapids]

i have made several attempts to bring down the temperature of this conversation and you have continued to be hostile

[surreal talon]

The firewall gives everyone a ego

[molten steeple]

@surreal talon any recommendation for a HC character? I'm just starting

[surreal talon]

Fireball/meteor.

Why you trying to be cool?

[proven haven]

again though, you literally asked for it. I find it distasteful to go around flexing for no reason but you seemed to think opinions don't matter until they are backed up

[molten steeple]

Thanks mate! Any other tips?

[surreal talon]

Actually you I agree with frozen, it’s this other guy daimonos who’s acting all mighty

[stone rapids]

i'm sorry you feel that way

[surreal talon]

Yes many.

[molten steeple]

After you finish your discussion can you help me out?

[surreal talon]

Either way, I want to play a frozen orb (yes d2 nostalgia). But it lacks something

[surreal talon]

Google or chatgpt

[proven haven]

you have ice volcanic orb

[molten steeple]

Dude I love frozen orb, hydra frozen orb so cool

[molten steeple]

Oh, okay

[surreal talon]

I had several volcanic orb uniques and it still felt so weak

[stone rapids]

cold converted volcanic orb is pretty decent, you can go crit or frostbite

[molten steeple]

But chatgpt is not an experienced HC player I don't think it will work

[stone rapids]

you're welcome to post your planner in here if you'd like some help!

[proven haven]

I heard this dread full person made a guide using the ice orb and it was good

[surreal talon]

As I start a char, and whichever build/skill defining unique I get, that’s what I go for

[proven haven]

maybe try this

[surreal talon]

Maybe I will give it another shot now in the new season

I just don’t like to follow guides. Kind of takes away the arpg feel and.. just feels cheap

Wish we had more advanced char info. Crit comes to mind

Never know exactly unless you do manual calc or dummytesting

[stone rapids]

spell crit is available in the character sheet, if your skill gives base crit you'll have to calculate it but it's not overly difficult to do

[surreal talon]

Yeah

[stone rapids]

volcanic orb doesn't have any base crit in its tree though, so your spell crit would be representative of your crit chance with volcanic orb

[proven haven]

If you don't have the info you gotta make your own in excel / googlesheets or whatever

just throw some math together to estimate damage and such

it's not hard once you get used to it

[surreal talon]

I saw a reddit post of a guy taking poe planner to last epoch. Know anything about that?

[proven haven]

yes it's in progress

[stone rapids]

it's coming but it's very early in development

[proven haven]

u/musholic or something? iirc

[stone rapids]

only a few things work rn

[proven haven]

https://github.com/Musholic/LastEpochPlanner/releases/tag/v0.6.0 found it

[surreal talon]

I’ve been using the lastepochplanner as a baseline

[stone rapids]

if you don't want to use a spreadsheet the dummy is a pretty reliable test for dps

[proven haven]

yeah dummy is okay but not if you are planning a 1.3 build now

unless you can fudge it in offline

[stone rapids]

dummy has 1 billion hp so 1 billion divided by seconds to kill = dps

[surreal talon]

Maybe with krafton it brings more resources so season 4 gets a lot of these things implemented

[proven haven]

you can do a lot of stuff in offline to simulate what a build would be like before doing it, if you need to verify a mechanic works

sometimes things just don't work and you wouldn't want to spend 2 weeks to find that out

[surreal talon]

Honestly I have been testing it live in hardcore. Many dead 80-90s because of that

[proven haven]

well you have the dead SC to test next time lmao

[surreal talon]

True

But as I stated, my own superiority only plays HC

[proven haven]

I play like too much of a coward for that

I've never had a high level HC rip

[surreal talon]

It’s a hard knock life

I had about 20 chars in 80-90s this season

[proven haven]

actually now that I think of it, I'm way more of a coward on HC than SC lmao, that feels somewhat ironic

[surreal talon]

Most dead. Acolyte bored out of my mind. Not a single sentinel. Many hardforced werebear melees that got hardstuck

I watch movies/cs tournaments while playing. Highest I got was 3xx corruption with cold heartseeker

[proven haven]

At this point I'd say that's masochism

you like the pain lol

[stone rapids]

some sentinel builds are op for sure but there's lots of fun stuff to play on sentinel that's not giga op

[proven haven]

I mean everything stops being OP eventually, just some builds fall off sooner than others, I guess

as far as uber goes that's pretty damn hard for almost any build in HC

[surreal talon]

I don’t even know if there’s a point doing uberroth in HC. And I don’t enjoy the infinite grift scaling, so I aim to take a build to normal abby and that’s that

Grift = greater rift in d3 if you didn’t play it

[stone rapids]

personally i find pushing a build to uberroth to be the most fun thing the game has, i would have loved to have done it in hardcore but i just didn't have time this season

[proven haven]

Regular aberroth is fairly trivial now with all the power creep we've had

[stone rapids]

but i get what you mean

[proven haven]

the gap between abby and ubby is so huge

[surreal talon]

I just watched streamers doing uber abby. Like wudijo, and I heard many mention it’s a huge gear check

[stone rapids]

on the top meta builds you can gear check it eventually but everything below that you have to play quite well

[surreal talon]

Obviously evrything is going to be gear check. But if you can get away with greater skill, then that would be fun

To an extent

A 20-30 min fight for a skillcheck is just too long

[proven haven]

Usually it falls into two categories, you either do enough damage that the fight is short and you can mostly ignore poor mechanics or you are so tanky that poor mechanics don't matter (like judgement)

[surreal talon]

Which means it’s mostly the broken builds 😄

[stone rapids]

i think it's fun on any build but i had the most fun doing it on less op builds even if i did rage a lot in the process

[proven haven]

Yeah weak builds aren't doing Uberroth in HC

[stone rapids]

heartseeker was like a 10 minute fight where i couldn't get hit by anything but finally doing it was pretty exhilirating

[surreal talon]

But that’s fair

It’s the pinnacle. Not supposed to be easy

[proven haven]

I'd wager a lot of people who do Uber on HC end up replicating their character in offline or softcore first and practice until they feel good or gear up more and repeat test / check

[stone rapids]

everyone does 10000%

biggest downside of offline existing how it does for the hardcore race

[surreal talon]

Who knows. Maybe there is someone who 1st tried uber in hc on non broken build

[proven haven]

didn't carn do that and just insta died

[stone rapids]

i think there are only about 15 or 20 hc kills total so i'd be pretty doubtful

but maybe the god gamer is secretly out there

[proven haven]

part of being a god gamer is using all the information you have available

[stone rapids]

knowledge is the most op stat

[surreal talon]

I see, never know though. Always a chance. And with that I bid farewell. Have a good rest of the weekend. And fyi, some of my beat friends started with us wanting to beat eachother up. All good. I am the God gamer which you speak of

[rose fjord]

is stacking fire aura viable for endgame bossing?

[nimble shoal]

Depends on your definition of viable. I'd say no.

[waxen sigil]

Can anyone link me the fastest kill of all time @nimble shoal @radiant vessel @tepid barn @proper hawk

(Of uber ab, or the hardest thing)

Is it instant due to pre dot stacking during invulnerable?

And then first tick kills ?

What do we even try to start experimenting w??? Meteor? Static orb?

Flame reaver or shatter maybe idk

[nimble shoal]

Pretty sure people have overflowed it to where the popup number breaks, at ~2B

[weary hamlet]

what changed for flame reave with the patch though? I feel that it's still pretty bad

[tepid barn]

Already sent u

[warped crow]

why did they have to delete wrongwarp

[waxen sigil]

Like the in game hit number caps???? Not tooltip? Damn I don’t think I’ve gotten close.

Is the real damage separate from the popup like behind the scenes?

How much EHP does the boss training dummy have ?

[radiant vessel]

1 billion

And yeah umbral blades falconer can "one shot" ubby (technically several hits combined into one)

You can't do it in 1.3 though

[waxen sigil]

I’m not sure just seems like a big damage 1 click with that rhythm of flame

And also with the spellvlade thing that’s stacks cheap attacks to buff a big one

[weary hamlet]

that's more like click a skill that does 0 damage 4 times then you can click a skill that does bad damage 1 time

we used to play that like 5 years ago but it's been horribly powercrept since then, also on top of everything else the combo builds are now just worse than simply spamming flame reave lol

with prodigy you don't even need the crit from firebrand

[waxen sigil]

It could be the case

But I also just love the spellblade as a mastery even though it needs a lot of help

I had a note outdated now where I just did the more x mores and damage efficiency on all the mage skills

And I remember flamereave was up there

Surge was the highest at the time w movement speed = more if I recall

[flint olive]

new helm on spellblade could be interesting because of how much attack speed you get

[glossy shore]

Did anyone play mana stacking Sorc in CoF and was able to kill uber Aberoth with it? I would like to know if that concept can scale enough in like 200 to 300 hours to beat him.

[rapid axle]

whats the general consensus rn on mage in terms of season starters? more HC focuses i would say

[zinc pewter]

would mage be a expensive class to build? Much of the server will be playing acolyte/primalist though

[left hill]

A few other specializations are probably ahead of it in line for reworks from what Devs had commented (e.g. Shaman, Forge Guard), but it would be nice if it gets done at least in cycle 5 along with Bladedancer.

[left hill]

Also the 20% dual wield speed boost. Spellblade definitely got a few buffs to its existing builds through that and primordials. Doesn't seem like anything that really enabled new builds for it though, I don't think.

[flint olive]

just different takes on the old ones

also mana shouldnt be problem for them either way thanks to mana strike

if you get enough regen, maybe you can sustain your burst for bit longer

[weary hamlet]

problem is, shaman and fg had reworks recently while the last time sb was touched in a major way was 5 years ago. And we got like four talents updated in that time too. Riveting.

[tidal scarab]

Just looked up the new items, and I can't say that any of them directly help mages. Yeah, here and there, there are some nice affects, but overall, it feels like there are still just better items for several of the slots with the primordial uniques.

[left hill]

Butcher's Crown does some interesting things. Wildfire is useful for Ignite builds. Some others with uses here and there. Plus you can always just use a T8 if none of them really do what you want as a fallback option.

[tidal scarab]

Can't really mage with butcher's crown. You live off mana unless you are planning to do Mana Strike as your main source of damage.

[left hill]

Sure you can. At Inc Mana Regen >92.3% it turns mana-positive vs. passive regen as long as you're reliably hitting 2+/second

And mana refund and Gain still work through it

[tidal scarab]

Butcher's Crown disables all mana regen

[left hill]

Yes, I know

[tidal scarab]

You are only getting it from its passive and mana strike as a wizard

[left hill]

Read its Health and Mana Gained line

[tidal scarab]

Per 12% mana regen but with a 2 second cool down

[left hill]

4 per 2s, yes. If you math it out, it outperforms passive regen at Inc Regen >92.3%

[tidal scarab]

Are you running it with Urzil's Pride?

[left hill]

You could but you don't have to

[tidal scarab]

I guess 90 is possible off just amulet and rings

Using Sapphire rings helps reduce the Tier requirement

Not even at 30% with 4 T7 Mana Regen

[left hill]

There are also idols and sorc passive (5% per 100 max mana)

[tidal scarab]

I don't think it's possible outside of Urzil, tbh. I've theorized trying to get my mana regen above 40 before to play a special type of heavy mana build

[left hill]

Ok, I think you're wrong, but we can each just see what unfolds when the season launches

[harsh abyss]

You can do some silly stuff with focus and AA where you can sustain AA for like 8 minutes easily because of the mana gain

You lose out on the frenzy benefit because you're channeling though, so maybe not worth it

[left hill]

I'm honestly thinking of doing some Frost Claw stuff with it, but yeah, there's a range of Focus options with it, from the long-AA meme to the Culnivar meme to just regular Mana Guide auto-bombing. And probably more that will emerge. The math maths, as it were.

[tidal scarab]

I am going to try some weird stuff with Ignite this season. I will probably try my Firebrand Spellblade/Flame Reave first

Then go into some Machine Gun Fireball builds

[weary hamlet]

yeah man the whole point of that item is that you build to get enough from its passive so that you don't have to spend time actively regenerating it. It's already gonna be the new meta on avalanche builds, might have potential on mage too

[tidal scarab]

Firebrand Spellblade has always felt lack-luster, but maybe the amulet will make it viable?

[weary hamlet]

also if you are using any kind of a mana hungry build with your mana regen plan consisting of mana strike, runebolt, etc, then the blue feather ring might be a good pick

i.e. I played VO last patch and it was gated by cast speed on rune bolt heavily, with this I could literally cast twice as many VOs

same goes for i.e. mana strike/meteor builds

[tidal scarab]

I wish it wasn't limited to Spell Mana Cost

I like spellblade, but its skills are not spells xD

How is bleed as a DoT in Last Epoch? I assume it doesn't work on Undead mobs?

[weary hamlet]

nah they dont have the silly roleplay elements where your build is not viable cause of such trifling concerns as realism and common sense

any damage type works on everything

[tidal scarab]

Shatter Strike Frostbite Carrion of Creation would be wacky

[weary hamlet]

bleed generally has a lot of support in uniques, now probably the best among any ailment

but not a lot in mage skills/trees

[tidal scarab]

That is why I mentioned Carrion of Creation which could turn Frostbite into Bleed

my brain is fried today

The Carrion of Creation is like the inverse of the Maehlin's Hubris

[proper hawk]

I think you might be misunderstanding the butcher's crown. It's mana regain per % increased mana regen, not per actual regen. the 92% Marshal is talking about is less than 16 mana regen

[tidal scarab]

(I might be misreading their passives though) I'm assuming 100% means all chance and not just "Up to 100% of chance"

[tidal scarab]

I was thinking that as well after mulling it over some more.

apologies to @left hill

It's still going to be hard to match base +8 mana regen per second, but not as hard for multi-hit abilities

If you are using a slow 1-hit per 2 second ability, you need to effectively have +16 mana gained on hit.

[proper hawk]

yeah you wouldnt use it unless you hit a minimum of 2/s

but thats a very easy hit rate

[left hill]

It's definitely not meant to be used with slow hits. Part of why it gives +% frenzy and auto-frenzy

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, and almost all spells have like a 1.5 cast/sec rate to start. So as long as you have like 33% increased cast speed you're good

[sand bridge]

Would this build work? Not sure exactly sure how the tri-elemental nova works, but seems like it could be fun
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/omEx4Zyo

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (11) / Runemaster (45)

General:

▸ Health: 1,304, Regen: 25.2/s
▸ Mana: 273.62, Regen: 12.64/s
▸ Ward Retention: 84%, Regen: 41/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 17 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 1% / 1%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 261
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (284)

Used skills:

Elemental Nova / Runic Invocation / Teleport / Glyph of Dominion / Frost Wall

[restive remnant]

is mage going to be good this season with the new items?

[severe hatch]

not a mage expert but I fell like you're losing a lot of dmg not taking this

[sand bridge]

Thats probably true, easy fix

[severe hatch]

and I really liked this

but can't think of a way to make it work with the helmet

and the helmet is kinda goated

[sand bridge]

Slightly tweaked
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bx8J0nnB

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2.5

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (11) / Runemaster (47)

General:

▸ Health: 1,304, Regen: 23.6/s
▸ Mana: 245.87, Regen: 12.32/s
▸ Ward Retention: 62%, Regen: 16/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 1 Dex / 6 Int / 1 Att / 1 Vit
▸ Resistances: 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 0% / 1% / 1%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 261
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (284)

Used skills:

Elemental Nova / Runic Invocation / Teleport / Glyph of Dominion / Frost Wall

[severe hatch]

crown could work for the mana sustain, but that's a lot of levels + pen + less damage taken for mana

[sand bridge]

Also I dont like the channeled skill, being able to stutter step between casts is super handy

[severe hatch]

you got a point

my train of thought is that you don't need to focus so bad on cast speed

[sand bridge]

Im just hoping the trielemental nova has all three keywords to proc all of these in the runemaster tree

+30 flat damage is kinda wild

[severe hatch]

I can test for you I think

sec

I think I got a rune master 90 smth

[sand bridge]

oh damn, thats sweet

ty!

[neon bobcat]

oh that's fun, haha

[cobalt yacht]

is mage getting 0 changes in s3 besides the runic invocation buffs?

[neon bobcat]

plus the uniques/primordal system and map content

[cobalt yacht]

unfortunate

[neon bobcat]

my sparkmage can use the set ring to change up how they get flat scaling, and my rune of deception autobomber can get double the shock chance per int off the villeta's set hat crafted shards now, many new ways to scale or build stuff

[left hill]

the idols relic can make some very mana-hungry builds work without mana strike a lot easier than before. (using focus: null profusion+infusion to just tap focus for mana). where before it would have required near-perfect gear in a lot of slots.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah though an interesting point, for the 2x 4x1 relic and 2x 3x1 relic layouts it actually reduces your normal gear requirements since you'd only need one of each "perfect" relic where before you'd need 2 of the same ones.

[left hill]

I think we're talking about different primordials. The relic is only +60% (40-60) idol effect but works for all non-unique idols. the other primordial is +100% effect but requires different shapes

[neon bobcat]

there are a few lich setups people are planning out with that to get upwards of 1600 mana over there

[left hill]

yeah, Flay Chaos Bolts really wants max mana lol

[neon bobcat]

yup lmao

[left hill]

turns it right into soooo much dps

not nearly the same damage as the lich, but spellblade should be able to do full uptime shatter strike with the help of that relic. no downtime mana striking

[neon bobcat]

I was thinking about the set ring to activate the vilatra's set without needing to use a staff

getting both hands free leaves so much room for activities

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, that's going to be a VERY popular build for mages.

Basically anything lightning is going to be very strong with it.

[left hill]

petition to call it "Look, Mage, No Hands!"

[neon bobcat]

mana strike into frost claw/lightning blast/ele nova with dragorath's claw, fragment of enigma, and lightning per int was my league starter right up until the skill tree for lich dropped

[harsh abyss]

This is probably what I'm going to be doing when I play a mage, I'll let you know how it goes.

[neon bobcat]

hehe

[harsh abyss]

The old "Land of 1000 triggers" build

[neon bobcat]

ill probably still play it at some point

FILL THE SCREEN

[left hill]

reminds me, I need to see if any of the primordials or anything interact in funny ways with this kind of off-the-wall Frozen Ire "do all the procs" build I started sketching out last season with Frost Claw, Frost Nova, Elemental Nova, Freezing Cascade, and Tundra Nova

[harsh abyss]

My current plan is:
Mana Strike triggers: Spark Charges (100%+), Mana Arc (100%), Icicle Strike (20%), Frost Claw (50%)
Frost Claw crits (5x) trigger LB (3x/sec)
Frost Claw casts trigger Ele Nova (42%)
Ele Nova casts trigger spark charges (100%)
LB hits (3x) trigger spark charges (30%)
All hits trigger spark charges (12%)
All crits outside of 5m trigger spark nova (40%)

Vilatria bonus affecting ALL those hits rather than Enigma just being on the spark charges feels like it should do great damage.

IDK if it will be as GOOD as Frozen's LB runemaster build, but it should do enough damage to do most things.

[neon bobcat]

it's a lot of added damage to spark charges to all of the other stuff that was basically scaling your spark charge generation

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, 100 flat to everything is a lot of extra "valuable" hits.

But I'm not sure if even at max attack speed/trigger rate, you'll do more damage than just... hyper-casting Lightning Blast over and over. The double/quad cast node is real powerful

[waxen sigil]

lb ownage

big fan

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, spark charge LB will always be strong

[rapid hinge]

guys frostwall snapshotting is not fixed right

i just read the mage part of the patchnote

[weary hamlet]

ehg be like, o no all mage builds have devolved into stacking int, what should we do?! - proceeds to add more benefits to int stacking

[charred mountain]

So as someone who's never played Mage before, all I get from this channel the past 2 days is:
Vilatria with new ring to free hand slots
Int stack
Trigger every skill in the game
???
Profit

[sour trellis]

Sounds great to me

[charred mountain]

Is there a leplanner for it anywhere, though?

[mortal oxide]

I could see spellblade running bluefeather bands and the new dagger

and it being nuts

and the new belt

[opaque stag]

Dropping a 3LP Enigma in Season 2 means I will not drop higher than 1LP this Season, correct? 🥲

[mortal oxide]

spellblade could be neat if any of those items could pop up and be used in a build since they are 1-ofs

[weary hamlet]

can't use both at the same time

[mortal oxide]

see my last comment

oh well. barely any changes to specs i wanna play, all new items are 1-ofs. prolly a skip season imo

[opaque stag]

What's the strategy for farming LP Ladle? Imprint the Rune Prison Woven Echo and farm that thing endlessly? Or do you pick any Exiled Mage nodes in the Weaver Tree aswell?

[raven fox]

a dev said most snapshot that arent channels are no longer snapshots, possibility for a bunch of random stuff to get missed

[rapid hinge]

so it's still in or no?

[weary hamlet]

nobody knows, the patch isn't live yet and they kicked out most of their closed test team

aka the content creators

[radiant vessel]

Content creators were not "most" of CT considering it had around 1k members

[weary hamlet]

and how many of those were CCs?

[radiant vessel]

Not 500+

[scenic fossil]

So I made a really silly off meta ignite elemental nova build to play with my wife whenever she's free. I'm using black hole to cast meteor in order to supplement some extra damage and I'm at a -20 net mana. Is there any trick to supplement that as a Mage so I don't go into negative mana and start to lose out on meteor procs after a short while?

Here's the build planner https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdO79pKA

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (47) / Spellblade (15) / Runemaster (31)

General:

▸ Health: 2,501, Regen: 37.26/s
▸ Mana: 347.99, Regen: 18.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 210%, Regen: 81/s
▸ Attributes: 15 Str / 2 Dex / 72 Int / 2 Att / 14 Vit
▸ Resistances: 279% / 104% / 128% / 80% / 76% / 70% / 70%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 500
▸ Armor Mitigation: 38% (2,042)

Used skills:

Enchant Weapon / Black Hole / Elemental Nova / Frost Wall / Meteor

[radiant vessel]

Or did you mean most got removed in general? Maybe I just misunderstood the comment

[scenic fossil]

I'm already using mana burst but I'm not sure if there's much else i can do lol

[weary hamlet]

no idea, I'm not in CT so I don't know, but I was under the impression that their rules of what amounts to a "content creator" were fairly broad so a lot of people got axed

I mean, that's what I would be saying if I were in CT..

[radiant vessel]

Nothing much you can do without swapping out a skill tbh

[scenic fossil]

ye i wanna avoid using a builder

might just deal with it, it's gonna be played in a duo anyway

[radiant vessel]

You could swap out nova for fireball and use craterborn+the helm affix for a good chunk of mana generation but yeah I gotchu on the no builder

[scenic fossil]

I think that'd nuke my damage

nova is contributing a lot for ignite

[weary hamlet]

1. play focus
2. suffer

[radiant vessel]

Feel like fireball would apply even more ignites tbh but I just took a quick look at the build so you might know better

[radiant vessel]

Aw hell naw

[weary hamlet]

3. ???
4. unprofit

[radiant vessel]

You know you lost when focus gets specced without mana guide

[scenic fossil]

wait a minute

no it won't nuke my damage

because i'm silly and didn't read the more multipliers are hit based and not generic more

LOL

the only one that wasn't is arcane elementorum

oh well this opens up for a different build

[left hill]

cooldown recovery + giga mana stacking + focus null profusion/infusion can give you 40% mana on tap every 7s or so. but it'd be a significant reworking of the build

[scenic fossil]

ok well i'm at 13million average dps now without mana issues but the issue is that i don't like playing fireball

Maybe I'll take a look at ignite flame reave and take ur guys advice on mana recovery

[sour trellis]

Played many hours but never shattered a set item , can someone explain the process , for vilatria helm , I shatter the helm after doing that specific echo , then use a rare or exhaled helm and add which affix to be able to use it with the new ring

[warped crow]

we need more invocations to not suck

[harsh abyss]

Yes, those items become "reforged <set item>" and will work with the ring just like the default set item would.

[weak hornet]

Whats everyone's thoughts on mage this patch

Wanted to play glacier but unsure if itll be poo

[safe hedge]

well mage wasnt really touched. which means it got straight buffs for all builds because of the primordial powercreep

so if you liked it before, youll like it now

[weak hornet]

never played it so fuzzy tell me if ill like it please

[safe hedge]

do you like to make many pew pews and explode stuff?

[warped crow]

it did get touched

a tiny bit

it got some of the invocations basically doubled

[hexed venture]

So y'all, unrelated to endgame builds. How da heck do we spec leveling as lich

[warped crow]

wrong chat

[uncut zealot]

Uh try #💀┃acolyte

[hexed venture]

This is indeed the wrong chat

I swear I clicked acolyte lol

Kind of a Chad move though, goes into mage chat, "anyway ignore what y'all talking about how we leveling our acolytes?"

[warped crow]

lol

answered you in acolyte

[hexed venture]

I saw, thank you sir xD

[harsh abyss]

Has anyone asked how auto-crits work with the "deadly crits" item?

[weary wagon]

whats the strongest mage

gonna be this season

[left hill]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message probably similar logic applies

[harsh abyss]

If so that's insane

Meteor with that is gonna be nutty

[azure crag]

Can ice barrage get built up to be sufficient with crit damage/crit multiplier build? or is it more practical to go the frostbite route?

and damage over time

[harsh abyss]

I've never tried it, but you can get a LOT of hits from a single cast

If they're all critting, that should be a ton of damage.

[azure crag]

Yeah, it just seems like the spell itself doesn't have a lot of crit damage, so that would have to come from gear. I'm going to try to work on it, but it's slow going

[left hill]

Huh? Sorcerer got a big focus in 1.1. They're much more likely to work on other specs than one from two cycles ago, even if because of the long 1st cycle that was a bit ago.

[nimble shoal]

I think frostbite is significantly easier to get going. Grab the armor shred to frostbite conversion in runemaster and you're set for a while.

[harsh abyss]

Oh yeah I bet that's nutty with ice barrage

Easy single target for days

[weary hamlet]

we need an overall change to how invocations work cause right now they don't do anything to deliver on the invoker fantasy

[weary hamlet]

sufficient for what? You can use it as a primary or secondary skill but it won't be doing uber aby damage any time soon. 1k corr? Probably without too much issue. Last season I was using it to supplement focal blast LB and it was doing about 40-50% of the damage

[weary hamlet]

barrage does tend to have weak more multipliers for frostbite though, but at least it applies a shitton of it

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, the number of hits it does is a decent multiplier in itself

[warped crow]

true but thats asking alot

[harsh abyss]

I think that's just because cast speeds are to fast in ARPGs compared to MOBAs

Like, the fantasy falls apart when you're spamming 5 spells a second and "invoking" only stacks up to 3.

It would make more sense if it was a "meter" and depending on how the meter is filled with elements determines the invocation. Faster casts fill less meter, etc, and the skill tree changes the way the meter scales and stuff. That way you could make it so Invocation is something you only want to cast every 5-10 seconds, but it doesn't change based on getting a bunch more cast speed.

[weary hamlet]

yeah, arpgs love pushing this to absurdity. When you are expected to automatically cast 50 spells per second, where is the space for thoughtful skill expression or decision making there?

[harsh abyss]

yeah, I definitely don't enjoy it

[weary hamlet]

also all the invocations are different flavors of damage so you aren't encouraged to use it tactically for a range of effects

[harsh abyss]

It's also the reason why they always boil down to "make one skill the best it can be"

[weary hamlet]

also CC is completely worthless in LE other than stunning bosses so that's an entire area/combat role that is basically nuked out of the game

[harsh abyss]

When you're casting 5 spells per second, you don't have the time/reactions to cast different spells for different situations. It's "blow up the whole screen" or nothing.

[weary hamlet]

say why would you bother casting a black hole to suck a bunch of mobs in when you could use the same time to spam meteor 5 times and just nuke them?

[harsh abyss]

Or even just cast meteor once and kill them instantly

[weary hamlet]

exactly

POE2 got it right but they got loot completely wrong, obviously if you want fighting mobs to be strategic and risky you can't give them shit loot like in a game where you are killing a billion of mobs per second by holding right mouse button

[harsh abyss]

When you make loot the core power scaling mechanism, but don't give people loot, you've made a mistake 😝

[weary hamlet]

If I'm supposed to be killing 200 times fewer mobs then each of them better drop 200 times more loot

on to the problem of invo in LE, without massively changing how the skill and its subskills function, they could add something like a stacking more multiplier for each unique invocation used to encourage varying it/going for a rainbow build

[harsh abyss]

Even that wouldn't really help, because people wouldn't use it that way.

Like, the core gameplay loop doesn't support using Invocation in a way that makes it an interesting skill.

[warped crow]

there is a mechanic like that already ... its just really bad

it will never work as long as all of the invocations are soo varried in how to scale them

and some of them dont even have the passives that would make them good on the invocation tree while others get all the love

[harsh abyss]

The problem is they almost all boil down to "AOE skill with unreliable coverage" which means things like ele nova and meteor are just better for the intended purpose.

[weary hamlet]

it can, you just need to compensate enough for using them - it's a purely mathematical problem

[weary hamlet]

true, but I mean if you build the game up with a more strategic combat system in mind then you'll have more space for interesting effects

and not just oooga booga casting the skill 5 times per second doesn't cut it Ima cast it 50 times per second

[warped crow]

ye i guess if you baked the majority of what a skill needed into its base power

but then you would still be better off picking one of those now really strong base skills and scaling it into absurdity

[weary hamlet]

Again that's purely a math problem, balancing it vs a single invocation is easy enough. The hard part is balancing using all/random invocations vs using some subsection that share most of their scaling

[warped crow]

which is impossible

if you feed into one of them the other becomes a problem

if you make them good enough where they dont have to worry about being different to be good then only picking one of them and scaling it just got a big buff

but if you play into scaling them individually you will never hit a point where the varried playstyle ever works

[weary hamlet]

one doesn't follow from the other. Imagine if they gave it "does 100% more damage for each unique invocation used in the last 30 seconds, stacks reset when you repeat the same invocation". That won't do much for spamming one invo. That will do something for stacking a bunch of stacks and using one big invo you invested into, but then you are spending a ton of time setting it up, the payoff better be worth it.

[warped crow]

ig

[opal flame]

Anyone play shatter strike this league? How was it for uber Abby?

[thick pebble]

man despite the lack of changes I'm tempted to just lock in and play Glacier

[opaque stag]

Spark Charge Anything masterrace login

[heady berry]

Hi, do you have an approximate build?

[fervent ledge]

What build is looking meta for s3

Will mage be worst again

[weary hamlet]

spark charges

yes

[fervent ledge]

Damn

[whole harness]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-yes-proud-jeremiah-johnson-yess-gif-17905836

[glossy quarry]

it seems this cycle we are

lightning blast

but with vilaria on my wand

[azure crag]

Thank you

[fervent ledge]

For RM Blast build what pet is he using for Mantle of Ox

For s3

Wall counts ?

[nimble shoal]

Wall is not a minion. I have no idea what build you're talking about, so shot in the dark, t rex from relic?

[whole harness]

Basically, the build uses summon mirror image from teleport. There's another very similar setup on Reddit which uses the Static Shell chest instead. If you're interested in seeing it search Runemaster on LE Reddit and sort by hot.

[fervent ledge]

Oh ok

[fervent ledge]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gr7c6gu6hME

Looks cool

Classic lb build

[harsh abyss]

VERY loose planner: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bgl6k6do

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Mage (20) / Sorcerer (54) / Spellblade (31) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 1,332, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 290.27, Regen: 11.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 226%, Regen: 70/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 26 Dex / 88 Int / 26 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 53% / 29% / 53% / 29% / 29% / 55% / 55%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 266
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (104)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 15% (463)

Used skills:

Mana Strike / Lightning Blast / Frost Claw / Enchant Weapon / Elemental Nova

[glossy shore]

Can someone please help me understand "Overcharged Detonation" from Static orb? The node mentins a related ability called "Lightning Explosion" which has 200§ dmg effectiveness instead of the 100% that Static Orb itself has. Does that mean that additionally to scaling the damage with mana cost this node also doubles the damage?

I think I am understanding what I was missing.

[heady berry]

ty

[harsh abyss]

Static Orb does damage in 2 parts: The AOE Explosion (Lightning Explosion) with 200% damage effectiveness, and the Lightning Tendrils that go out further from the explosion radius that have 100% damage effectiveness.

[nimble shoal]

The tendrils are part of the explosion, not really a discrete different thing.
The static orb itself deals impact damage as it passes through stuff, that is the 100% dmg eff part.

[harsh abyss]

Ah yeah I always forget about the passthrough damage

[cosmic dove]

Other than that supercritical ammy is there anything else new that might help meteor builds in season 3?

[weary hamlet]

blue ring and the set ring are obvious candidates

[harsh abyss]

The set ring is probably gonna be the most valued one for mages

[cosmic dove]

truesight glass is primordial though
or are you saying set ring > all other choices?

I didnt think the set ring would be good for meteor with viltara set because you want both items (I think?) for lightning meteor and neither for fire/craterborn meteor

[harsh abyss]

There's definitely a build using Truesight with the full vilatria set, but the ring is good in general because you can avoid needing the staff for vilatria, and that allows you to use all manner of uniques that enhance the build.

But lightning meteor + truesight glass is probably going to be really good since you'd have a hard time NOT overcapping your crit chance while above 400 mana.

That (average) 120% increase crit multi on meteor is going to be a LOT of damage.

[cosmic dove]

wait, why is it only 120%?

[harsh abyss]

That's the average. 40% chance for 300% increased is an average of 120%

[cosmic dove]

oh, gotcha

I wonder if that will be enough

if you already have a bunch of crit multi 120% is not a huge DPS increase
(it's additive)

[harsh abyss]

Well, meteor has never really struggled with damage, the tough part has been survivability.

[cosmic dove]

is there a truesight / fire meteor variation out there?
or is vilatria a non-negotiable?

[harsh abyss]

Fire meteor is totally fine. Lightning meteor just looks cooler and has a more straightforward scaling mechanism.

Mages like to stack Int and Vilatria adds more scaling to Int

[cosmic dove]

yeah I just thought fire lets opens up staff/helm slots
but what you put in there has to outscale vil's

[wet cape]

Is there a way to sim Armour gain from soulfire on LEtools planner

[harsh abyss]

It's certainly possible. I haven't tried it because I like lightning more than fire

[fallen fossil]

is lightning blast a bad leveling spec? every new season i really feel the urge to play it badly

[harsh abyss]

You kinda have to choose if you're gonna use it for single target or AOE. If you pick up Convergence, the AOE sucks but single target is great. If you don't, the AOE is great but the single target is meh

So you can either do a second skill for clear, or a second skill for single target, depending on how you like to build

Generally clear is easy, I like do use lightning-spec ele nova + spark charges and the 3x nova on teleport for clear, then you can use LB for single target super easily

[neon bobcat]

spec zap in enchant weapon for clear /s

[harsh abyss]

lol

[neon bobcat]

I want it to work so bad lmao

[harsh abyss]

It should be chance on hit to zap

Not on a timer

[neon bobcat]

(probably) i want it on the timer so that it pairs with static's lightning blast autocasts

spec LB for single target, trigger it thru static, spec ench weapon for zaps, get some cooldown, stack int with villeta's set. no buttons

it's not great, but it's fun :p

[harsh abyss]

Lol that reminds me kind of of my "lazy wolves" build that I'm planning to do

[neon bobcat]

static -> LB -> brand of deception stacking is better though

oh?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, you just use Gathering Storm once, and then run around while your wolves (and the storm stacks they upkeep on you) kill everything.

Maybe cast maelstrom to keep your haste going

[neon bobcat]

I'm planning on running Bleed Aura of Decay with aura bone curse causing decrepify from necklace as a perma LL lich this season

we'll see if i want to try out autozaps, there's more damage to be gained now that the set ring means you can get the villeta's damage with both hand options free

lets you use culvinar's slammed with the flat lightning damage mod and an offhand transcriber's for high flat spell damage and some pen (as spellblade) plus picking up the flat spell damage and huge crit bonuses from the far end of spellblade's tree

I think you can get to 100% crit chance on LB and zaps by stacking int between the sorc node that needs 5 pts, and the spellblade ultimate node at the end of the tree

[weary hamlet]

unless of course you go for focal blast

omegarip

[wise belfry]

are there any fire dot life regen builds on mage? or is the life regen a dead stat.

[harsh abyss]

I mean, that's decent by itself, but if you're building regen on mage you probably want vessel

[wise belfry]

👀 vessel of strife?

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, turning health regen into ward/sec is very strong

[wise belfry]

I'll have to try that at some point, I haven't messed with mage too much

[left hill]

Yeah, I'm not sure, but I tried playing around in planner with Legends Entwined for lightning meteor and wasn't super impressed with the weapon choices it opens up. It's not bad but definitely seemed like a lackluster use of a primordial. And so few sets are both 2-piece and beneficial to meteor, so Legends doesn't get a lot of other mileage for that build as far as I can tell.

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, meteor isn't the thing I'd use the ring for, tbh. I'd use it for other skills

[weary hamlet]

it's less that the meteor staff is too good and more that other primals might be better

[harsh abyss]

yeah, the scope, or maybe the crown

I could see a butcher's crown meteor build with crazy cast speed and infinite mana sustain

[weary hamlet]

I was looking at that too, but can we stack enough mana regen on mage?

[proper hawk]

Urzil's + crown?

How about bluefeather with a generator

[weary hamlet]

that seems to be better suited for VO builds

[wise belfry]

trying out elemental nova for the first time since servers are down. It's very fun

[rough minnow]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZN9Z02B am I cookin?

[silk pewter]

Sorcerer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Mage (25) / Sorcerer (65) / Spellblade (15) / Runemaster (8)

General:

▸ Health: 2,596, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 1,084.24, Regen: 32.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 116%, Regen: 118/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 33 Int / 2 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 492% / 75% / 99% / 64% / 64% / 64% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 675
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,455)

Used skills:

Enchant Weapon / Black Hole / Flame Rush / Fireball / Flame Ward

[harsh abyss]

I'd swap Flame Ward for Meteor, so you can cast it for Craterborn. 75% fire pen and 15% cast speed is nice, not to mention the fireball ward/mana gain node behind it

[dense umbra]

Wildfire Embers fireball?

[harsh abyss]

Should be strong

[rough minnow]

hmm 75% fire pen and some extra clear from shrapnel

sure i can be convinced

[harsh abyss]

and cast speed and ward and mana every time you cast fireball

[rough minnow]

i was thinking just one each flame rush but in truth i'm kinda wondering if you could ramp mana stacking to such an extent you could overtake Black Hole via Manafused Current (Flame Rush node)

i guess itll be hard to reconcile with the amulet for that build

I dropped fireball instead.

the staff is a bit too lit for this particular setup

[elfin obsidian]

any mage expert here tell me why disintegrate isnt used in any builds ive seem?

[dense umbra]

There is this one, not sure if you saw https://youtu.be/mVEFwHm7JHU?si=zCBmVoR2IfsGCt6h

[elfin obsidian]

thanks

ill check it out

[rough minnow]

its low end is shite and its top end is not that impressive for a channeling ability

most people prefer to do more damage while being on the move

[elfin obsidian]

i see

[rough minnow]

doesnt mean you cant make it work, its just like,

[elfin obsidian]

well im gonna try to lvl using it then decide later on to keep it or change to something else

[rough minnow]

why play a non-moving channeling ability is the better question xd

eh no

unfortunately cant use the amulet on black hole

the ignite from amulet is not generic, its on hit

[minor monolith]

people using the amulet on black hole werent using it for that line though, they really only cared about the prolif part

and the health and fire res rolls

[rough minnow]

sure, but i kinda

wanna use the whole item if i can

xd

it irks me when people use half an item

[minor monolith]

I was thinking of using it with volcanic orb ignite, that will use the whole thing

[rough minnow]

im

probably gonna spellblade double reen it up

depending

buuut

the multipliers are not encouraging

lemme look into volcanic orb

[harsh abyss]

This is the real reason. Channeled abilities need crazy defense to feel good, otherwise you just die. My channeled LB build worked, but it cant do aberroth because it requires too much movement.

[rough minnow]

hold on

can flame rush be just held while exploding ground keeps proccing?

cause it wont explode unless you stop channeling?

or am I cooked

[rough minnow]

Like so ? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Br2Dv54B

[silk pewter]

Runemaster, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Mage (25) / Sorcerer (19) / Spellblade (15) / Runemaster (52)

General:

▸ Health: 2,514, Regen: 29.6/s
▸ Mana: 881.9, Regen: 34.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 150%, Regen: 123/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 50 Int / 2 Att / 2 Vit
▸ Resistances: 492% / 69% / 93% / 60% / 64% / 66% / 62%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 32%, Threshold: 919
▸ Armor Mitigation: 30% (1,455)

Used skills:

Enchant Weapon / Volcanic Orb / Flame Rush / Runic Invocation / Glyph of Dominion

[rough minnow]

I tested it and seems like its proccing just fine

so i could see a fairly tanky build here

and since its not channeled, embers could repeat it

[harsh abyss]

I don't think embers would repeat it because you're triggering the spell. Embers is only going to repeat spells that you cast

When you directly use a non-channeled fire skill. So you have to cast something.

That said... wisps with Meteor might just actually be insane

Like don't worry about it for ignites, just that 12% chance that wisps repeat the meteor skill and drop a ton more meteors could be nutty

[left hill]

it works out to x34.56% more damage on average at peak wisps (before the extra ignite chance and penetration), since the wisps last 8s, and it's (up to) 36% chance per second to summon one. that gives you 2.88 wisps on average after 8s, and at 12% per wisp, on direct cast you're getting 0.3456 wisp recasts. but that's also highly conditional since it only works within 12 meters, and you're not often within 12 meters for 8s, so realistically you'll have fewer wisps capable of triggering recasts on your casts

the wisps are a good More multiplier for bosses where you'll stay in an area longer, and the ignite spreading seems like the more valuable part for map clearing

but I wouldn't really expect to see a ton of recasts going off all the time

[harsh abyss]

Yeah, 12% is pretty low

But with meteors, a single doubled cast will be a ton more damage

[uncut zealot]

What’s the build mages are leaning??

[warped crow]

lightning blast

[harsh abyss]

Maybe we aren't looking closely enough at T8 mods 😝

[warped crow]

thats actually pretty weak considering you can only have 1 t8 mod

OR 1 primordial unique

[harsh abyss]

I dunno, 567 ward/sec on one item is pretty solid

But yeah, I think it's gonna be hard to use any T8 mods with how good the primordials are

[warped crow]

i think its the other way around

the Uniques like that ring and the spear should be the standard xD

for primordial power xD

[harsh abyss]

That's... what I said

[warped crow]

oh ok

idk ye

[harsh abyss]

Like I can't imagine NOT using the ring (and Vilatria) on any mage lightning build

[warped crow]

if it was between 1 primordial unique or multiple t8 mods then it would be a fair fight

lel

[harsh abyss]

Yeah

Especially with T8s not being able to be slammed

Except for maybe like builds that get a PERFECT T8 for them

But there are a lot of generally strong uniques