🔱┃sentinel

[polar spire]

||make sure you dont forget the ingame guide||

[waxen nymph]

Hey game guide, make sure you dont forget the Engi

[hasty pier]

Anyone willing to help a new player out? I’m level 52 going for a warpath void knight, kind of just guessing on a lot of stuff as far as building goes and what I’m doing for leveling is just the campaign.

Would like some help with the loot filter, what should I be prioritizing to loot and break down in the forge?

If I could stream my game and just get a crash course it’d be extremely helpful if anyone’s interested 😅

[waxen nymph]

Offensive Stats

Flat Void Melee Damage
Mana
% Increased Attack Speed
Vitality
Strength
% Increased Void Damage
% Increased Critical Strike Chance
Critical Strike Multiplier
Void Resistance Shred
Void Penetration
Armor Shred Chance

Defensive Stats

Health
Armor
Endurance
Leech

[hasty pier]

So those are the ones I should be prioritizing to break down any weapons or armor with ANY tier of those stats so I have more shards of them?

And then I’m currently running around with what I feel like is subpar gear but the only thing that’s dropping decent stuff is the nemesis guys but nothing has been like… tailored to my stat “wants” so it’s not like the stuff matches what I need/want. is it just grind with mid gear until I can do these monolith things I keep reading about?

[turbid dome]

Hit F and craft during the campaign

[waxen nymph]

And don't forget the ingame guide

[molten horizon]

Anyone have a solid example of a reflect paladin build? Wondering how my own build differs

[pseudo parcel]

[waxen nymph]

I think Mcfluffin made a video

[plain briar]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjRapGOB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Forge Guard (30) / Paladin (63)

General:

▸ Health: 2,471, Regen: 1,356.7/s
▸ Mana: 641.71, Regen: 10.08/s
▸ Ward Retention: 142%, Regen: 408/s
▸ Attributes: 48 Str / 28 Dex / 28 Int / 133 Att / 41 Vit
▸ Resistances: 108% / 84% / 121% / 81% / 115% / 105% / 114%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 86%, Threshold: 1,523
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (130)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 59% (4,266)
▸ Block Chance: 89%, Mitigation: 51% (2,158)

Used skills:

Vengeance / Rebuke / Holy Aura / Healing Hands / Symbols of Hope

[plain briar]

Croaked this morning HC ~900c to a dumb mistake on a shade. Wrecked everything. Didn't try uber A but smashed reg Ab.

This is th eone I used: https://www.lastepochtools.com/build-guides/reflectadin---reflect-paladin

[crude matrix]

Reflectadin - Reflect Paladin Build Guide

Game Cycle / Version

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class

Sentinel / Paladin

Used skills

• Vengeance
• Healing Hands
• Symbols of Hope
• Holy Aura
• Rebuke

Used unique items

• Thicket of Blinding Light
• Monument of Protection
• Thornshell
• Hand of Judgement
• Azurral's Fury
• Foot of the Mountain
• Red Ring of Atlaria
• Carcinization of Momentum
• Evolution's End
• Vessel of Strife

Tags

Monolith Farmer / Arena / Hardcore / SSF / Ranged

Created by debris · Sep 3, 2025, 11:39 PM

[twin wharf]

didnt hit the t8 channel cost, is it still better for warpath? yes i was really sad when it didnt hit (t7,t7,t6 before rune of evo

[polar spire]

hey @waxen nymph hows that ||game guide|| coming along?

[waxen nymph]

Gotta ask Engi

[waxen nymph]

Not an expert but I would use the right one

Got a ton of mana and hp

[waxen nymph]

👀

~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om3dkkrQ

One day if I have enough time

Casual 400 Flat Spell for Smite

1100% Inc Dmg

@spring yew Yo my man

I was checking your channel

[spring yew]

what up Vlad

[waxen nymph]

You played Xylem Lightning Fissure didnt you ?

[spring yew]

yes Sir

[waxen nymph]

Couldnt find the final version

Did you not make a guide ?

[spring yew]

Nah i didn't end up making a guide , i didn't go the full distance with the build as i want when i am making a guide. But this was what i was aiming for : https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1PgpMKo
Most likely ofc some things could change . I was half way there , but i missed too many slams this season so some builds didn't complete as i would like them to be.

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.1

Class:

Sentinel (21) / Void Knight (5) / Paladin (87)

General:

▸ Health: 4,522, Regen: 858.8/s
▸ Mana: 1,325.35, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 20%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 20 Str / 10 Dex / 10 Int / 121 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 193% / 131% / 231% / 112% / 142% / 98% / 87%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 53%, Threshold: 2,080
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (54)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,334)

Used skills:

Smite / Holy Aura / Symbols of Hope / Healing Hands / Judgement

[spring yew]

After that we can start talking about double T7 items etc etc

[carmine fossil]

wich one is funnier and "cozier" to play - Warpath without warrior's fury who doesnt have to worry about mana but have lower area or Warpath with warrior's fury who has to have mana in every item and has to reset the spin

can the manaless version be as strong?

[waxen nymph]

It can not

[carmine fossil]

how much less strong do you think it is? i saw a manaless version hit 1500 corrupt kinda effortlessly

[waxen nymph]

Oh really ?

[carmine fossil]

??

[waxen nymph]

I didnt know

[carmine fossil]

just asking if its worth to sacrifice some of the build's power

[waxen nymph]

That was a surprised "oh really"

[carmine fossil]

https://youtu.be/LdW52TyDP7Y?si=xtCPEgDwisNG1c1z

doesnt seem to struggle here

anyway, it would be nice to collect damage items instead of focusing on every bit of mana i can have anywhere

[waxen nymph]

But mana is dmg

With Warrior Fury

Be careful this is a 1.2 build

Heh

I guess it hasnt really change

Needle got nerfed

[carmine fossil]

im playing it right now so i know it, but it feels so underwhelming focusing 100% on mana in my build

wanted to switch

ill wait, maybe theres someone here who plays it this way

[waxen nymph]

I mean, I should perform very similarly as in the video

Needle got nerfed a tiny bit

And we get primo uniques now

[carmine fossil]

yeah i have T8 reduced channeling so i would have to chaange it for something

is there an affix or unique that makes are area of warpath larger? i saw an idol with this property

[waxen nymph]

Inc Area
Inc Melee Area
Inc Warpath Area (idols)

[carmine fossil]

if the affix says it increases AoE skills area and warpath doesnt say anywhere is AoE skill it means it wont work?

[waxen nymph]

Check Warpath tags

[carmine fossil]

yeah it doesnt say its aoe

nvm

im restarted

it does

[carmine fossil]

also i know it sound silly but did anyone check if reduced channeling cost have effect on warriors fury? what if it just adds 4mana every second and reduced cost is only calculated on base cost of the skill?

[waxen nymph]

It does

[carmine fossil]

so after 10 seconds it should be 40 mana * 0,7 = around 10

[waxen nymph]

• whatever base mana cost you have left *0.7 yeah

Sound about right

[carmine fossil]

you said needle got nerfed from his build + we got primordials now

so it would be fun to update his version to season 3

[waxen nymph]

I mean sure, but imo you are just ending with a worse version of the Mana stacking one (at least dmg wise)

[carmine fossil]

if you look at this this way every build has its own limits kinda

[torn vector]

yes, like how paladin's limitation is running out of enemies to kill quickly 😏 (Doomslayer theme starts playing)

[rare grove]

@waxen nymph https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ApY3lqwQ

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (5) / Paladin (73)

General:

▸ Health: 2,973, Regen: 67/s
▸ Mana: 739.02, Regen: 13.84/s
▸ Ward Retention: 88%, Regen: 24/s
▸ Attributes: 58 Str / 20 Dex / 20 Int / 105 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 179% / 126% / 188% / 96% / 86% / 60% / 84%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 78%, Threshold: 1,554
▸ Dodge Chance: 6% (173)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 62% (4,706)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 24% (376)

Used skills:

Healing Hands / Multistrike / Smite / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura

[rare grove]

Some of the gearing is bad still.

But it's getting there.

Those feet of the mountain are a bit of crutch at the moment.

Causes me to be a bit ah... slow and steady, we'll say.

Like a heavily armored turtle.

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ozZxdxao
This is mine

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 97

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (10) / Paladin (70)

General:

▸ Health: 3,960, Regen: 75.45/s
▸ Mana: 956.33, Regen: 8.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 9%, Regen: 6/s
▸ Attributes: 17 Str / 3 Dex / 2 Int / 35 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 125% / 117% / 174% / 138% / 79% / 75% / 94%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 1,185
▸ Armor Mitigation: 48% (2,915)

Used skills:

Multistrike / Abyssal Echoes / Holy Aura / Smite / Symbols of Hope

[waxen nymph]

I havent pushed to 1k

Stopped at 600c

But it can definitely do it

And I dont have a Primo xD

How much ward to you get ?

[rare grove]

Depends on how long I'm allowed to stand still, but scales up to a few thousand

[waxen nymph]

Tried Uber already ?

[rare grove]

briefly, i don't have the survivability, nor the player skill :3

[waxen nymph]

How much hp do you get before the first slam ?

[rare grove]

i don't recall

[waxen nymph]

How do you dump your mana ?

[rare grove]

i'm not reducing mana cost of smite at all

[waxen nymph]

@neat folio If you want to compare notes with us

You said you were playing this too

[neat folio]

Hey, cool, thanks! I'm just plugging the Paladin kit + Smite. Just learned 20 is max skill level, so fine-tuning things to that. This'll help!

[rare grove]

I run a +6 Smite as my primordial relic

[waxen nymph]

I wanted to do T8 Mana but havent found a good one yet

[rare grove]

I have to have the 6 to do everything the build needs to do since it has to convert to electric

[neat folio]

Lmfao that smiteage holy crap, it's like a Paladin-flavoured gatling gun

[waxen nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBjpTlzClm0

[neat folio]

Paladin futures look so shiny!

To think I've been so satisfied clearing regular baddies off the screen.

[rare grove]

I still can't one-cycle Julra, but it's getting close.

[uneven gorge]

Bro ur gonna give your character a heart attack with what ur doing to ur healthbar

[waxen nymph]

^^

Who need 5/5 in Atonement

1/5 is enough

I dont want to leave dmg on the table ^^

That paladin might get repurpose soon

I had a new idea

[rare grove]

I guess I should try out doing the ignite damage increase

If I’m going to use Culnivar in the main I could get a -mana cost on it, drop the 0 mana smite node, and convert

I think it’s the only way I’m gonna get to the damage I need

Probably have to switch pala for aurelis for the 2 skill points

Hmmmm

That’s actually… really doable…

[waxen nymph]

That node is double dmg

[rare grove]

Yeah

It is

[wooden mountain]

the electric smite double hit seems significant

[waxen nymph]

??

[rare grove]

On Aurelis? It's good. The additional smites on Palarus are no slouch either though.

and don't rely on it being a boss or rare

[waxen nymph]

Are you referring to the additionnal lightning bolts ?

[wooden mountain]

yes

hitting the same target

they scale with smite tree right? should deal ~2/3 the damage of a smite I think

[rare grove]

so the lightning bolts scale on int instead of attunement

[waxen nymph]

Only Sacrifice More Dmg works on them

[waxen nymph]

No

They inherit their attribute scaling from their parent skill > Smite

[waxen nymph]

I know what you see

But I am telling how it works

That tooltip is spaghetti

[rare grove]

🙁

[wooden mountain]

really? why not the damage vs ignited foe or vs blind?

[waxen nymph]

They are a subskill of Smite

So they look at Smite for their stats

[rare grove]

oh that's bonkers

[waxen nymph]

Because subskills dont get "enemies conditionnal" More Dmg

More Dmg to Ignited/Electrified / Blinded

Low Life

Etc...

If its a "you" condition then yes

More Dmg if you are LL > ✅

[wooden mountain]

wat

never heard that before

[waxen nymph]

Its a bunch of 🍝

[wooden mountain]

so aftershocks only get the damage vs chilled because the node specifically says they do and it's implemented that way? If it just said EQ deals more damage vs chilled without specifying initial hit then it wouldn't work with aftershocks?

[waxen nymph]

Probably yeah

[wooden mountain]

oof,

[waxen nymph]

I think its because Aftershocks are not a subskill but a part of the skill itself

Smth like that

[wooden mountain]

Last Epoch is like the English language in terms of all the counterintuitive shit you gotta learn

[waxen nymph]

To go back to the bolts

If you can sustain the mana they do a nice chunk of dmg

I had to remove them myself because mana was unsustainable on my setup

They are missing 100% More and 20% More but you get 3 at 100%ADE

[rare grove]

They obey the 0 mana cost smite node, which is why I've been running them.

But yeah, I'm playing around with it and I can't sustain it

I do more damage with 0 mana smite node and bolts than with ignite buff and no bolts

plus it's better map clear

and it's easier/lazier to stay 0 mana

[waxen nymph]

Being at 0 mana stresses me

Like what if I need to use a skill

My traversal to move away

Or Holy Aura for extra dmg

[rare grove]

yeah i can't get it to work without the Time and Faith node

so that i always have a little mana in the tank

[waxen nymph]

Thats why I opted for Abyssal Echoes

And its also 20% AS and 20% More Dmg

[rare grove]

the VK multismite variant runs void well to never run out, which is kinda smart

[waxen nymph]

And my main Armor shred sources

[waxen nymph]

Yeah but thats the best way to play it, its not as interesting imo ^^

[rare grove]

I need to yolo slam my chest piece onto a 2LP Null Portent but I'm scared

[rare grove]

yeah alright I did it

I did alright, 2nd best result

[pearl geyser]

Anyone playing self cast smite or smite fissure this season?

[waxen nymph]

I was actually planning on playing lightning Fissure Xylem

[peak zodiac]

i played selfcast vk for a bit earlier

[waxen nymph]

Crit?

[peak zodiac]

ye

[waxen nymph]

How was it?

[peak zodiac]

it’s really good, giga tank, super high damage. I’ll probably go back to it and do uber after I’m done warlock and bd

[lavish schooner]

Hey everyone, I'm playing LE for the first time and following maxroll's sentinel leveling guide. I'm about to finish the campaign and have a couple questions:

• Since I plan to play warpath VK (https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/echo-warpath-void-knight-guide), should I keep playing the sentinel leveling build until I'm level 70 and already have the starter setup from the guide? If so, does that also mean the uniques listed there (carcinazation of momentum, siphon of anguish, army of skin and anchor of oblivion)?
• In order to keep upgrading the gear of my leveling build (judgement) while also getting drops for warpath VK, is there a loot filter somewhere that includes both?

[waxen nymph]

Oo wow

Didn't know Selfcast Smite had that much dmg

[peak zodiac]

you don’t need the uniques, just level 70, as the guide says don’t spec warriors fury until you have the channel cost affix and enough mana. I can’t speak to loot filters as I don’t use the maxroll ones

[peak zodiac]

it’s not as much as like bear or those kind of things obviously but it’s still quite high and it’s genuinely one of the tankiest characters i’ve played

capped block, seed, 4.5k hp, etc

[waxen nymph]

Capped block, that means no dw or staff, that means less dmg

Devotion?

Probably not since you say you have seed

[peak zodiac]

nah, not using devotion

you get so much flat from vitality and the vk spell void affix and you don’t really stack mana

staff probably would be more damage but idk how much you would get from dw on selfcast

[waxen nymph]

But you could get 50% cast speed

[peak zodiac]

yeah but then you lose 28% dr from seed and the health sustain from the passive node

it has such good sustain that i only have one point in atonement which means i can take all the other dmg nodes

and i have capped crit without the base crit so i can take all the crit multi and stuff

[waxen nymph]

I was messing with Xylem, attunement stacking Paladin in the planner this morning
I was getting almost 400 flat from Devotion

[peak zodiac]

yeah I think there’s definitely a cook there for paladin xylem makes so much sense but on vk vitality just gives you so much flat and gives you HP

[waxen nymph]

Yeah for sure

What primo do you use?

[peak zodiac]

t8 spell void on chest

t8 vit would be good too but the spell void is nice for the flat and increased

[pearl geyser]

Thats exactly what im looking at

[waxen nymph]

#🔱┃sentinel message

There is my cook

And Cursedboy's

I need to change the gloves, I don't need cast speed, just remembered there is 50% on Devotion

I can go Judgment and go over 2k mana 💀💀💀

[pearl geyser]

I would probably plan on using boood gloves for dmg mit

Less dps, but huge survivability

[pearl geyser]

If most of the dmg is coming from the DoT, wouldn't frenzy gen from shield throw be better than the increased dmg from jav?

Also fg points for the 2h ignite & some more attunement might be good

Cause the lightning conversion does all, not just tree

[waxen nymph]

You are capped at 3 Fissures per second, you dont need a lot of cast speed (around 110% since Smite Base Speed is 1.417/sec)
And Devotion is 50%

[waxen nymph]

Maybe, but that a lot of pts I have a hard time justifying

Electrify dmg will be kinda weak, since we are not scaling Duration, very little Pen and not a lot of chance

The Att node in FG is nice, but all the nodes before are really meh

[pearl geyser]

Fair

[waxen nymph]

This is just my opinion
You are more than welcome to have a different one

[uneven gorge]

That node is well worth it imo, the dot dr can get super wack

Understandable not to tho

[waxen nymph]

Thing is, you get 15% Less dot taken from Divine essence

And you already have 14% Armor to DoT

[uneven gorge]

that's the point

[waxen nymph]

What do you take to go there

[uneven gorge]

pali is one of the few classes that can get dot eh higher than hit 🫡

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/om3dkkrQ

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Paladin (83)

General:

▸ Health: 4,415, Regen: 229.6/s
▸ Mana: 1,577.86, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 39 Str / 23 Dex / 32 Int / 140 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 174% / 144% / 224% / 145% / 92% / 111% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 84%, Threshold: 2,134
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (125)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,098)

Used skills:

Smite / Javelin / Abyssal Echoes / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura

[waxen nymph]

I am all ears

What point would you move to get there

25 pts in FG is a lot

Best I can do is 19

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BjR45zxB

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (26) / Paladin (62)

General:

▸ Health: 4,390, Regen: 180/s
▸ Mana: 1,618.06, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 23 Dex / 32 Int / 146 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 174% / 144% / 224% / 145% / 92% / 111% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 1,599
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (125)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 56% (3,808)

Used skills:

Smite / Javelin / Abyssal Echoes / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura

[waxen nymph]

I guess this ?

[wooden mountain]

devotion is only 50% if you're actually at zero mana which a fissure build really can't be

[uneven gorge]

Somethin like this. Tho this sacrifices damage a tad https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QD3MwrOA

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (25) / Paladin (58)

General:

▸ Health: 4,315, Regen: 187.2/s
▸ Mana: 1,324.93, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 64%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 23 Dex / 32 Int / 139 Att / 24 Vit
▸ Resistances: 174% / 144% / 224% / 145% / 92% / 111% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 88%, Threshold: 2,096
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (125)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,352)

Used skills:

Smite / Javelin / Abyssal Echoes / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura

[uneven gorge]

Big jump in eh vs dots

and lord knows I hate enemy dots

[wooden mountain]

armor to DOT really sucks tbh, if it were armor rating to DOT it would be nice but it's 14% of mitigation 🙁

like sure if you're softcapped on armor and have a lot of it it's nice but if you have like <70% armor mitigation then vs non-physical DOTs it's barely a thing

[waxen nymph]

Close enough

[waxen nymph]

I have 66% Armor Mit x ( 154 Att/2) = 50% for phys and 35% for non phys

Idk

[uneven gorge]

I'd also swap health% on null for attunement and use hand of judgement instead. Now you at 188 attunement https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Baj4bK9o

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (25) / Paladin (58)

General:

▸ Health: 4,024, Regen: 187.2/s
▸ Mana: 1,474.09, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 40 Str / 19 Dex / 28 Int / 167 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 174% / 144% / 224% / 145% / 130% / 107% / 96%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 88%, Threshold: 2,136
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (103)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,451)

Used skills:

Smite / Javelin / Abyssal Echoes / Symbols of Hope / Holy Aura

[uneven gorge]

This pleases my eyes

[peak zodiac]

that is some meaty dot mitigation

why regen belt? just for the mana drain?

[uneven gorge]

I guess so. You could also pretty easy get t5 hybrid health on belt as well

[peak zodiac]

you probably don’t want the points in time and faith even if you’re using AE and regen belt

[uneven gorge]

you still need some mana for movement abilities and such. You don't really want to be exactly at 0 mana

[waxen nymph]

Flat Mana + Mana drain

You could spec AE with no CD to drain you that way

[uneven gorge]

This is with legacy otqf belt w/ t5 hybrid

[waxen nymph]

And you need a little bit of Mana or Fissure wont proc

Since it consumes 10 mana

[peak zodiac]

ah yeah

i think potentially double mana idols is better right?

at least over the grand ones

[waxen nymph]

It was for Inc hp

Or do you mean instead of the Smite Idols ?

[peak zodiac]

the 1x3s with armor and increased dot

could probably drop for double mana minor idols

[waxen nymph]

Ah

Probably

But I felt like 2k mana was enough, and I woudl be lacking Inc Dmg

[peak zodiac]

well you have nearly 800% increased from attunement alone

[waxen nymph]

Thats already 450 ish Flat

[peak zodiac]

plus another ~500 with javelin up

[waxen nymph]

Also 43% Inc Armor is nice

[peak zodiac]

you can always do increased armor + health and mana

also if you find you’re lacking in increased, probably elemental damage over time would be the best way to get that

[waxen nymph]

But that would mean slamming smth else than Attument or Crit Multi

[peak zodiac]

you probably would get it on amulet, ideally 2lp

so you can go mana/increased ele dot

2lp devotion and stormcarved are a bit hard to get but definitely doable

although lagon is admittedly the most annoying timeline boss to farm

[waxen nymph]

Already got a t7 mana T5 crit multi from my multi Smite

[peak zodiac]

ah right crit multi too

i always gave up on theorycrafting lightning smite pala for this exact reason

there’s like 4 prefixes you want on every item

[rare grove]

I prefer to think of it the other way around: there's so many ways to add value to the build in every gear slot!

[peak zodiac]

if i’m not following a guide I almost always test things offline before playing them and having to test that many prefixes/idols/etc is such a headache

[rare grove]

aww hell, Stormcarved Testament is actually good.

I don't wanna farm it

[raw fiber]

does warpath requires an armor shred idol? i got none on my gear

[waxen nymph]

You need a source of Shred yes

I don't think it specifically need to be on idols

[raw fiber]

will the node in the warpath do the job or should i get more?

[waxen nymph]

Probably a bit more, you need to be around 100stacks

Less you still have dmg to squeeze in

More, diminishing return hits hard

[polar spire]

You can get it on gloves and amulet, dont recommend it on weapon, prob other gear, can't remember

[trail lynx]

I had a missed slam on weapon, it hits hard. However it makes the weapon impossible to upgrade unless you have alternative shred sources ready. Idols is best I reckon

[winged breach]

i got me th eblinding light armor , is the stat damage deal to attackers, the same stat as damage reflected to attackers ?

the number above the damage reflected x% is one what changes , sentibal does have a mastery node what increase by 30 pts for every pt in it

[alpine canopy]

The blinding light armor only deals in the flat amount of reflect / damage dealt to attackers, wording is sometimes inconsistent but they are the same thing. The X% reflect is useless.

[cunning rover]

Is ignite stacker rather than full
Smite spell damage a better option?

I switched to ignite and the damage is lesser but I have crazy heals instead

[wooden mountain]

electrify is better than ignite for ailments

and it's not a good time rot skill

[cunning rover]

I did smite multi strike auto bomber last season and ripped uberbroth a new a hole

I want to do something different.

[wooden mountain]

but still a smite build?

or something really different?

[waxen nymph]

Multistrike auto bomber?

[uneven gorge]

If you still wanna go multristrike, bleed pop is pretty good. I played it, and although it aint meta by any means, it's pretty good

[rare grove]

I've come so far in just a few days:

[waxen nymph]

That's some nice dmg!

[hard pebble]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QnzDgVLQ

[crude matrix]

Paladin, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (5) / Forge Guard (28) / Paladin (60)

General:

▸ Health: 2,836, Regen: 172.48/s
▸ Mana: 148.51, Regen: 9.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 36%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 52 Str / 29 Dex / 18 Int / 24 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 166% / 113% / 113% / 90% / 102% / 111% / 106%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 1,029
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (146)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 65% (5,341)
▸ Block Chance: 97%, Mitigation: 57% (2,711)

Used skills:

Symbols of Hope / Shield Throw / Manifest Armor / Smite / Holy Aura

[hard pebble]

Someday I'll make a good helmet.

[waxen nymph]

Dumb question
Why not take Fire Pen Per HE in Paladin?

And Healing Effect in Smite? Maybe to heal your MA a bit more ?

[hard pebble]

I can think about it. The plans are to redesign almost the entire passive branch

Experiments, so to speak😂

[tough zealot]

Hey guys
Will DoT damage and Void damage scale time rot damage equally?

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[tough zealot]

ty bro

[plain shore]

I want to buy a helmet with 7 tier skills, is there a way to search it in the auction house?

[bleak blaze]

does the stalwart passive require you to have a shield equipped to get he block buffs or do I still get the effects while two handing

I plan to two hand and shield with forge guard passive but is it worth taking before I get there?

[waxen nymph]

Mind sharing a screen of the buff

[bleak blaze]

I guess buff is the wrong word

Do I get like the flat block chance even if I have a two hand equipped I guess is how I should've asked

[scarlet thistle]

Yep, it should show on the character sheet too

[bleak blaze]

thank you mister patches

[wooden mountain]

block works without a shield it's just hard to get enough block effect & chance to make a significant impact without one

[uneven gorge]

Funnily enough you can get 100% block chance without a shield on sentinel

Ig also rogue as well cus you can convert glance

[waxen nymph]

Really?

[uneven gorge]

Ye. As a forgeguard: Sigils (15) + shield bash (15) + ring of shields (15) + warpath (20) + blessing (8) + passives (22) + 2 block suffixes (6) = 101%

Not practical in the slightest, but it's possible

[silk wasp]

22 from passives? Stalwart (3), Steel Aegis (3), Honor (3), Walls of Solarum (3)...???

[uneven gorge]

+10%

[silk wasp]

Oh right, Haste. I never have that so I forget it exists

[warped night]

Based on the wording I think you need a 2h and shield equipped for the haste effect

[uneven gorge]

I swear I remember testing it and it gave block regardless

But still, you can just use a weapon with block for 100%

[wooden mountain]

yeah I've seen this with some setups, particularly the glancing blow on rogue, but it's rough to get enough block effect without a shield implicit and block effect affix

[peak zodiac]

sentinel has some pretty hot block effect idols though

[wooden mountain]

yeah, that's true. maybe you could do it with block effect idols. the roll ranges on those are huge though so good luck getting a good set of them

I know getting 4x 2x2 idols with block suffixes with decent rolls was a nightmare

healing effect prefixes

[soft rune]

I am pretty new to Sentinel and working on a shield rush forge guard. Any secrets/bugs that I should know about?

[peak zodiac]

yes.

1. if your attack speed is too high and you spam too fast, shield rush does not refund mana as intended

2. if you queue a movement ability while rushing with non-traversal shield rush, you will blink back to your starting location and then dash to where your cursor was. during rushing your movement skill is also cooling down. you can use this for some really crazy mobility.

3. for some reason, if you stand really close to a wall and hold shield rush down, it will spam way faster than holding down the button while also never failing to refund mana.

[soft rune]

The melee attack speed thing is anoying, can't scale that much speed

[peak zodiac]

yes, it’s improved in 1.3 but it still happens and is still super annoying, it’s been in the game for yesrs

[soft rune]

Any idea if Rush Wall / Shield Wall does anything for the area or range? I can't really tell...

[severe edge]

Fractal tree (Spear) effect stack with Divine Fury(Javelin Throw)?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[zealous iris]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/skills/multistrike/tree is the Blitz node (on the right) working also for additionnal swords ?

[austere coral]

Based on wording, it should work with all Multistrike hits, so yes

[zealous iris]

ok, thanks

[waxen nymph]

Everything Multistrike does gets Phys pen
Initial hit, extra sword, Bleed

[zealous iris]

Ok, thanks a lot !

[polar spire]

Did they ever fix the stutter with playing shield rush on live server?

That was the biggest gripe with it for ages

Back when shield rush was the #1 dot applier in the game

It always had crazy rubberbanding issues

[alpine canopy]

I think so yeah, but it still has issues like with the mana revert, so if you spam really quick you may end up deleting all your mana

[peak zodiac]

yes but still behaves this way offline, which is amazing for trying to test a shield rush build offline 😀

[peak zodiac]

this was improved this patch, it used to happen if your attack speed was (0.85 or higher? i think) and now it’s not as big of an issue but you still don’t wanna build too much attack speed or you will oom

[south ledge]

Multistrike electrify smite is surprisingly strong on the DPS side. I assume the challenge will be survivability only

Yesterday I was sorting stashes from past seasons and found my old multistrike electrify smite char, which aged surprisingly well. In the release season I could apply 200-300 electrify stacks, now over 1.2k

[polar spire]

this ones a classic

multistrike smites been a classic that has only gotten better with time

[south ledge]

Yep definitely. I remember how we were talking about in this channel how nice it would be if all blades could hit the same target

Back then you even had to hit the air in opposite direction, to hit your main target with just a single smite. It was horrendous

Good to see the build is very solid now

[waxen nymph]

Bladestorm is a god sent

[rare grove]

I have been pondering the kind of mayhem a lucky Weaver’s Gift drop could allow for in an actual Electrify build now.

[south ledge]

Not sure if it's really that much better than a second aurelis

probably only in a self cast version

[rare grove]

Aurelis is only on melee hit. Weaver's Gift is on any hit.

and since Carrion of Creation doesn't convert Electrify, it would make an excellent rider primordial

[rare grove]

...against my better judgement I'm about to test this out

[rare grove]

I've got 2000 dots and they're all bad

yeah i give up, even if I could make it work it's not nearly as fun

[tame chasm]

does anyone know if smite's that are auto-cast from warpath/palarus sword, would count towards a skill being echo'd, so i can get more smites?

[wooden mountain]

only direct casts can echo, but I think the warpath echoes should cast smites with those nodes in warpath

if you use multistrike triggering smite then only the multi strike use can echo but when it echoes it casts the usual smites (and up to +2 more if you take those nodes in multistrike). I assume warpath works the same way

[waxen nymph]

Pretty sure you are correct

[warped night]

Yes, echoed warpath does still cast its smites per second from the skill node, but not from palarus

but it doesn't count as a direct cast, so those indirect smites can't echo

[warped helm]

alo, wanna come back for another build, if i wanna make a beefy (tanky) melee sent with large dps, surely it cant be a 2h vk can it? titanheart/health/armor only goes so far

or does vk's little damage reductions help a decent bit

[peak zodiac]

2h melee vks are decently tanky but they’re not really gonna be like giga tank without the uber uniques tbh

[alpine canopy]

A good Clotho's makes you feel pretty tanky, even if it's not a reliable mechanic it's an extra layer above what you'd normally have

[warped helm]

clotho had a defensive mechanic? 👀 lmao

building for parry is what you mean i guess?

[alpine canopy]

Yeah

[warm owl]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[visual stirrup]

can I follow the maxroll guide for the passive tree for judgement paladin, or would you make some changes to it?
https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/judgement-paladin-guide#passives-header
(HC if relevant)

[waxen nymph]

Yeah, I would do the same thing

[visual stirrup]

Nice, thank you. I was a bit confused because it takes some different nodes from the Judgement Paladin leveling tree (https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/paladin-leveling-guide)

[south ledge]

Specifically for Uber aberrorth I deviated from the maxroll setup and used 2 red rings + foot of the mountain for extra damage reduction. Worked pretty well. I felt the maxroll one was a bit too "squishy"for Uber aberroth without immortal vise.

So if you want to exchange some DPS for defense, you can consider that

[wooden mountain]

you can get quite a lot of incidental block chance from passive tree, sigils of hope etc. You can get pretty nice parry chance overall

[visual stirrup]

I'm seeing people on ladder swap 2 Prayer of the Fallen + 2 Urgent Healing for Halted Scourge + Turn Undead in the Healing Hands tree.
I assume Halted Scourge is for Aberroth, but why Turn Undead?

[forest kelp]

Ur RM gone?

[visual stirrup]

also for Judgement Pala: Rahyeh's Light vs Countenance of Majasa?

[south ledge]

Countenance of majasa is also very useful for Uber aberroth, since you will be standing in the void puddles a lot. Otherwise rahye's light should be the go to

[visual stirrup]

I dont understand how Void puddles make Countenance good

I have another question lol
for 1 LP Transcriber's Graver, does Melee Attack Speed or Spell Damage have higher prio to slam?

[wooden mountain]

there's lots of DOT damage in the uber fight and Countenance reduces DOT damage

[visual stirrup]

now only 2 questions remain lol

[waxen nymph]

Speed

More speed, more mana, more pool, more dmg

[visual stirrup]

any passive nodes you changed?

[visual stirrup]

^if anyone knows, please let me know ❤️

[inner hedge]

didn't countenance get nerfed or something for s3? I used rayehs til lp2 countenance, rayehs do be strong.

but last season countenance was a huge jump up in tankiness. normal abby couldn't break my ward just face tanking everything

my quest for a 4lp thornshell continues. up to 4 tabs and continuing the turtling lol.

I don't think a 4lp thicket will be happening. I'll settle on 3 🤡

would ravenous void be an upgrade to hand of judgement defensively on reflect smite paladin? or stick with hand for attunement and easier 3lp?

[south ledge]

Can't tell you that, sorry. But passive wise you can just stick to the maxroll guide I guess.

[cerulean sorrel]

any good guide for vk warpath?

[inner hedge]

spin -> win

maxroll is good

t8 channel cost helm is op this season

[warped helm]

thats funny, i left crap in my last farsight turtle inventory for it to get deleted but apparently it stays now until the next turtle map is opened

[warped helm]

playing wp vk for a bit since i made a double t7 apathy, how long does that let you channel with the inc cost/size thing?

[inner hedge]

the scaling is crazy compared to t7, it's the bis primordial for it.

[warped helm]

oh wow it goes from 45 to 68 max

hm something to consider i guess

[waxen nymph]

It is insane yeah

[warped helm]

but still you would probably never go above 1-2 points in that node right? depending how well you can handle the ramping

[waxen nymph]

I believe for mapping you are correct

But for bosses you might want a few more pts to get the ramp up earlier and get faster bossing

[warped helm]

right

[warped helm]

warpath with titan boots sounds disgusting though

[cerulean sorrel]

yea i need to get that t8 channel cost really quick

put 2 pt in warrior fury with 700 mana is managable for now

maybe i want more point in that node

[wooden mountain]

1/5 is usually best afaik

[warped night]

I really enjoy spell warpath VK for monos, the gear floor is much lower, though the ceiling is definitely not as high as melee warpath

[cerulean sorrel]

what is spell warpath? i thought warpath always melee?

[wooden mountain]

warpath casting smites & abyssal echoes I think

speaking of smite on warpath i've seen video of it and it looks like you get way way more than 1 smite per second while using warpath but "Winds of Justice: While spinning, you have a chance to cast Smite each second on a nearby enemy. This consumes Smite's mana cost. Smite Chance Each Second: 25% per point" and maybe palarus are the only source of smites I can see

what am I missing?

[cerulean sorrel]

so cool

might as well try that

been seeing lot of warpath smite recently, might as well tried one too

[wooden mountain]

so you can get up to 40% chance to echo, though 35% seems more reasonable

which means the warpath node has a 70-80% chance each second to echo as long as you're moving enough and keep warpathing

the warpath echoes do cast smites apparently, so each echo should be worth 2 smites

or maybe three if it smites at T0, then a T1s and again at T2s

[alpine canopy]

You can also do vortex pennant and smite on throwing hit idols

[wooden mountain]

yeah I did look at that but unless you scale phys% a lot you only really get a lot of hits in big packs

[warped night]

and devouring orb

I don't use abyssal echoes, but it's an option for sure

[warped night]

could also be orian belt

My spellpath character https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kidpid/character/SpinnyBoi

[wooden mountain]

looks nice, so palarus is 3 smites/s, winds is 1/s but the echoes are either 2.2x or 2.8x on top of that, not sure

echoes can't go over the palarus cap can they? can palarus smites echo themselves?

echo is direct cast only isn't it? so no

[warped night]

I don't think they can cast palarus smites, but it's kinda hard to tell

[wooden mountain]

do you see a lot of smites?

not multi-smite levels but still quite a lot I'd guess

[warped night]

yeah, but it's difficult to tell where they're coming from

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it shines in a bleed build, but for spell damage it's still a pretty sizeable boost. The rate scales off any generic damage you get, too.

[alpine canopy]

No to both

[wooden mountain]

oh generic damage, not bad I guess

idk how much generic damage there is in sentinel

[warped night]

yeah, not bad if you get the increased damage while channeling

[alpine canopy]

Not a ton, but a lil available as pally and that ^

[warped night]

would need to slam it on relic and amulet

[wooden mountain]

oh if that counts then that's decent

bleed-smite-path sounds interesting but the conversions on warpath really mess it up

[warped night]

none of the conversations touch bleed since it's not a physical skill

[wooden mountain]

the warpath conversions both convert bleed

and you need both for auto echoes and auto-smites from warpath itself rather than palarus

[warped night]

yeah but that's not a huge deal since your most impactful bleeds come from elsewhere

[wooden mountain]

it's not like the warpath hits are irrelevant

[alpine canopy]

The bleeds from warpath are not super great, but yeah it's a trade

[warped night]

it might convert back if you use carrion 🤔

[wooden mountain]

tfw no phys conversion for smite 🙁

that should definitely be an item

maybe even on vortex pennant

spinny boy throws axes which cause anvils to drop from the sky on enemies

[warped night]

for phys hit smite? carrion would convert all the ailments

[alpine canopy]

Items convert before the skill conversion, unfortunately, so it all ends up as ignite or time rot

[wooden mountain]

I don't think carrion will convert stuff that's gone away from bleed back to bleed

and unfortunately it doesn't convert bleed to bleed

it should to get past skill conversion issues imo

[warped night]

I'll just stick with my multistrike bleed pally and spell crit warpath vk

[wooden mountain]

idk if it's possible to actually scale the vortex axes bigly enough for them to be useful for something other than smite idols

throwing itemisation is awkward to shoehorn in to another build

[warped night]

I was messing with this the other day and got it to like 2k increased phys percent in the planner

problem is that you don't have any % more on axe throw. or was it considered a warpath sub skill? 🤔

[wooden mountain]

so that's 0.99^200 reduced interval?

or am misremembering how it works

I think that's about 8 axes/s at 2000% increased

oh I am misremembering it

2% increased frequency per 10

[warped night]

I was using gavel w/ an exalted sword, increased damage while channeling, and xithara's for that

[wooden mountain]

so that's 500% increased phys per additional axe per second?

[warped night]

I'll trust your math lol. Don't feel like doing it atm

[wooden mountain]

well 50x2=100 and 500/10=50 that's my thinking

so to get to 100% inc frequency you need to do 2% increased 50 times

[warped night]

Yeah, makes sense to me

[wooden mountain]

so if you get to 2k phys including the applicable more multis (just Xithara? anything else?)

then you get 5 axes/s

which isn't all that impressive considering how much effort it takes

[alpine canopy]

It is a subskill of warpath, which helps a bit

[warped night]

yeah that's nicer then. Does it get warrior's fury? Would be kinda surprising if it did since warslash doesn't

[warped helm]

this didnt have some long ass cooldown attached? or did they get rid of it

[wooden mountain]

I thought this but I can't find anything saying it now that i'm looking

[alpine canopy]

Not sure, probably not though

[warped helm]

though thats a bit of investment for some endurance proc, not sure if worth

[warped night]

it's usually not worth it

[alpine canopy]

Going off of Mike's thing, don't remember if I tested to confirm #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[warped night]

too many good passives available

[warped helm]

yeah agree

[visual stirrup]

Twisted Heart says 7% of current Health converted to Ward when you cast an Elemental Spell.
Casting Healing Hands counts. Casting Judgement does not. Both have the same tags (Fire, Spell).
What am I getting wrong?

[wooden mountain]

Mike's post makes me think the axes do get warrior's fury

if only the more damage increased the rate of axes too

that would be a build, double dipping on warrior's fury multi with the axes

then again it's probably bugged

[warped night]

I wonder if it's because judgement scales off attack speed, so you don't technically cast it

[visual stirrup]

That doesn't make sense to me

[alpine canopy]

Judgment is not a spell

[wooden mountain]

judgement is a melee attack with a spell sub-skill I think

[alpine canopy]

It only has the spell tag because it procs a spell

[visual stirrup]

What spell does it proc?

[inner hedge]

yea the dot circle scales off spell damage, but the slam is a melee

[alpine canopy]

Consecrated ground, a fire spell DOT

[visual stirrup]

oh

I assume Healing Hands proccing from Cleric's Hammer won't count either then?

Why do you use Twisted Heart in this build? 🤔
Just for the +1?

[wooden mountain]

+20% health, +16 str probably

it's got very good stats on it

[alpine canopy]

Right, only direct spell casts proc twisted heart

[visual stirrup]

that's disappointing lol

[inner hedge]

vengeance is what you use to sustain ward / life / mana and proc stuff

slam a few times then just vengeance

[visual stirrup]

Still looking for Mana when Vengeance on a decent base

[inner hedge]

its a very boring play style but pretty much unkillable

does Abby / Uber very slow but safe

f-tier monolith speed

[wooden mountain]

monolith isn't that slow if you keep running and let stuff die behind you

[inner hedge]

still f

[wooden mountain]

yeah I don't like that approach either

but I've seen people do it and it isn't that slow really

[peak zodiac]

nah it’s like b tier if you do it that way, it’s still way better than like bear for example

[wooden mountain]

makes my skin crawl seeing all those enemies dying too far away to see what they dropped though

I KNOW THERE'S A 4LP RED RING BACK THERE

[peak zodiac]

it’s not really all that big of a deal if you have icons for the important stuff

[inner hedge]

yea I couldn't do it, I warpathd to 100 then respecd

[visual stirrup]

Surely I get a drop anytime now KEKW

[inner hedge]

again, pick up all t7 exalted bases, remove / seal prefix/suffix then craft what you want then havoc

waiting to find the exact t7 mod you want is dogshit

[visual stirrup]

I have my 1 lps slammed

I did it like that, was much better

[inner hedge]

👍

[visual stirrup]

But now I'm looking for Solarum Plate or Champion Regalia with minimum 1 of Strength / Vitality / Mana when using Vengeance / any of the Health affixes / phys res

hasn't dropped yet

[inner hedge]

I'd just show all t7 of those bases

and play with whatever drops

runes/ shards are very plentiful to mess around

[visual stirrup]

I dont need any other affixes thoguh

[inner hedge]

just redemption / randomize

[visual stirrup]

hmmmm

[inner hedge]

you'll make useable stuff

[visual stirrup]

ok

[inner hedge]

it's fun when you randomly make something really good

[wooden mountain]

does echoed warpath throw axes?

because that's a big increase in the rate of axes if so

[warped helm]

oh nooooo, ornate idols cant even get the echo frenzy enchant

but i cant not use these juicy rive idols...

thats a bummer

i guess the chance to gain frenzy is highly unreliable anyway unless using 3-4 idols

[warped night]

thankfully frenzy is easy enough to get anyways

[warped helm]

is it other than new helm and nihilis?

[warped helm]

i really want some more speed but playing with spirit step instead of evade feels so jarring

guess silver/anguish it is instead

what the hell, okay how do i become the tankiest dualwield warpath guy

[warped night]

Spicy

[warped helm]

yeah this rive vk aint killing uber aberroth without a whole lot of practice and patience oh well, chunky af though

[dire prairie]

if it isn’t s tier on max roll you might as well skip bossing lol

[warped helm]

not like theres much serious "bossing" to do, its rolling over aberroth and getting rolled by uberroth thats it

[forest kelp]

Quad exalted

[warped night]

weak mental

my rive VK has been my uberroth slayer last patch and this one

maxroll isn't the be-all-end-all of strong/viable builds

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[waxen nymph]

Just tested it
They dont

[wooden mountain]

RIP

[warped night]

😔

[warped helm]

whats your primordial pick for that build, i went with nest but not sure i will settle with it, still tinkering around

tried some uberroth last night only ever got to first harbinger but im really inexperienced with the fight

[warped night]

I went with immortal stone

[warped helm]

just fixing up tankiness?

[warped night]

well, my gear is at a point where basically every other primordial would have been a downgrade without high lp

but immortal stone did add nice tankiness, and since I didn't have to worry about some res I got to spread some other points elsewhere to more damage

[south ledge]

Yep, maxroll is a very good source for newer players, but I have built multiple characters that can easily clear 1000c+ and be Uber aberroth viable with some double t7 slams on regular uniques, that don't appear at all on their tier list.

[warped night]

I wanted to use butcher's crown, since I'm using sword catcher, but I have an insanely good decayed skull that I don't think I will ever be able to replace

[warped helm]

other question whats your relic, as a relic itself i could probably claw back lost idol dps from nest pretty easily

sounds like youre not cof eh

[warped night]

I am cof

legacy baybeeee

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/kidpid/character/ThereWillBeBlood

using shattered worlds because it's so good with sword catcher

[warped helm]

yeah wait how do you frenzy in general though

oh

your boot i see it

goddamn

spicy synergies

[warped night]

yeah, people are sleeping on sword catcher

if the berserker belt wasn't broken I was considering try that as well, though that'll probably get me killed lol

[wooden mountain]

yeah zerker belt could be so goated with sword catcher

but uh, try not to die instantly

[peak zodiac]

i have an unhealthy hatred for that belt

[south ledge]

Man these items are nuts. I'm curious, how much time did you spent on this character approximately?

[peak zodiac]

giving up a primordial slot for a belt that gives you a smaller more multiplier at base than shattered chains while also having a dr penalty bigger than dual wielding

[warped helm]

i skipped flame drinkers blade prob for a stupid reason

but the first strike should almost always ignite again i guess

[warped night]

I don't really have a good idea tbh. It was my main character last patch, and I've done a few upgrades here and there this patch, but I have serious build ADHD lol, so I've been bouncing around. probably at least 100 hours, but likely more

I've been playing legacy since beta, so I have a lot of stuff sitting around too

[wooden mountain]

well, that's a good point tbh, maybe butcher's crown is just always better

[warped night]

this build has a lot of good incremental updates though

[warped night]

smaller more multipllier depends on how much increased frenzy you have

since it scales with inceased frenzy

[peak zodiac]

that’s why i said “at base”

[warped night]

or at least it's supposed to

ah, missed that

the increased damage taken is way too high, or it shouldn't scale with frenzy effects imo

[peak zodiac]

and yeah butcher’s crown is a big dmg melee primordial that doesn’t kill your ehp or compete with shattered chains

[warped helm]

my setup is rather different to yours, im playing with healing hands and not using AE at all lol

[wooden mountain]

building mana regen feels bad though

[warped helm]

plus well not having frenzy whatsoever, apathy maw

[peak zodiac]

you just use it on builds who don’t care about mana, like rive

[wooden mountain]

or do you just use time & faith or 0mana skills

[peak zodiac]

yeah

pretty much

[wooden mountain]

dread's butcher's crown warpath/warrior's fury was interesting

[peak zodiac]

it’s honestly best for builds that don’t have super complicated mana sustain because it just gives a ton of damage

[warped helm]

i hated the life drain part so much that i never considered butchers crown so i only bought one and only ever found a single one so far apparently 🤨

[peak zodiac]

building around the mana regen effect is just a headache tbh

[warped night]

it's not a problem for rive

[peak zodiac]

you just unequip it in town tbh

[warped night]

don't need mana, generating health constantly

[wooden mountain]

Shaman has mana regen per attunement but shaman blows so

[warped night]

I love me some frenzy. I have like 300% AS

[wooden mountain]

i've never played rive but the skill tree seems a bit lacking to me

other than foe cleaver

or whatever it's called

[warped night]

hard disagree

[peak zodiac]

foe cleaver is pretty wild in and of itself though

[warped helm]

yea even your catcher has AS, my apathy is t7 flat t7 crit t5 health on hit (lol just happened like that)

[warped night]

skill tree is so good I went with sword catcher to get 6 more points

[peak zodiac]

scrap metal also very nice

[wooden mountain]

like the base skill is melee with decent-ish AOE, it's fast, 150% ADE etc makes upheaval look like even more of a joke

[warped helm]

upheaval

ehg help primalist

[peak zodiac]

double echo chance, flame drinker’s blade, etc

[warped helm]

yeah i need to try flame drinker that was silly of me

[peak zodiac]

double echo chance is actually like really crazy

[warped night]

the vacuum is clutch for echoes

[peak zodiac]

it does help with the fact that at the end of the day it’s a melee skill with a pretty limited aoe

[warped night]

yeah, and the vacuum area scales with the strike 2 area, which is fun

also why I maxed out iron reach

[peak zodiac]

upheaval has such a cool visual, i’ve longed for a good upheaval for so long

[waxen nymph]

You've done it
I am sad again

You had to mention Upheaval, didn't you

[peak zodiac]

upheaval is pretty good… when a sabertooth is using it

[wooden mountain]

upheaval is EHGs concession to realism in last epoch, hitting the ground really hard is tiring, slow and not an efficient way of killing people.

[peak zodiac]

which is funny because the majority of other slam skills are pretty great

it’s upheaval and forge strike that really got left behind

[warped night]

all forge strike needs is more % more modifiers tbh

could be more interesting too...

[peak zodiac]

a tale as old as time

[warped night]

I did have fun with FS spam w/ detonating ground though

[wooden mountain]

what forge strike actually needs is for every single node in it to apply to forged weapons and forge strike

[warped night]

I want forge strike to be able to benefit from scrap metal

and spear forge should be a more modifier, not multi

[peak zodiac]

i REALLY love this idea

also does it really need to cost that much mana if the damage is what it is

[warped night]

pretty sure I suggested that somewhere along the line

[peak zodiac]

if it’s gonna be zdps at least let me spam it without needing to use vengeance as a generator lmfao

[warped night]

the mana cost does actually benefit it though thanks to the FG passive for more damage per mana cost

[peak zodiac]

true

give forge guard void well then

void well but instead of consuming your void essences it consumes your forged weapons/scrap metal

[wooden mountain]

volcanus not working for forged weapons is basically the death of the forge guard power fantasy imo

[peak zodiac]

forge guard has about a billion problems but one of them is definitely “oh we have this cool mechanic where minions inherit the stats of your weapons except sike actually because they don’t work with 95% of them”

[warped night]

biggest problem is that it has negative synergy between all its skills

[peak zodiac]

also the passive tree

it’s all just spread so thin

[warped night]

yep, though the passive tree is in a much better state than it used to

even a more cracked passive tree wouldn't make its skills not suck

you'd still end up using 80% non-FG skills

[peak zodiac]

my hot take is they should axe the throwing stuff entirely (literally every single throwing build is better on paladin anyways) and put more useful nodes there instead

[warped night]

hell, I've made multiple FG planners using 0 FG skills

and my current FG doesn't use any

[peak zodiac]

also still the worst mastery bonus in the game by a frankly laughable margin

[warped night]

yeah it's so bad lmao

[peak zodiac]

and also smelter’s wrath

[warped night]

should be stacking ele damage taken as phys or something smh

[peak zodiac]

and you don’t get haste because we hate you even more

[wooden mountain]

okay i had another look at rive and I think I was mostly looking at the bottom/right side of the tree and seeing loads of first strike has X and second strike has Y stuff and thinking wtf who builds to crit 1/3 of the time

the void bit and scrap metal do look sweet

and I guess healing hands ignites enough for the phys/void pen node

[warped night]

I don't even use HH

[warped helm]

i liked the multistrike forgestrike spam from way back, wouldnt cut it these days though

kidpid does abyssal fluctuation conversion not work with your amulet?

figured thats where it would shine unless it cant

[warped night]

is that the ele damage taken as void one?

[wooden mountain]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message what do you think? does Mike's explanation make sense?

[warped helm]

yep

or does the amulet take precedent and you already take no void damage anymore

[wooden mountain]

what's the worst case scenario? you take void as phys but ele as void and you need both void & ele res anyway?

[warped night]

I think what happens is you'd take 50% as void, which is reduced by 25% from the passives, so it still uses your void res, and then any void damage is taken as phys

[wooden mountain]

that would be the best case scenario

[warped night]

so you end up with not much of a gain, unless you also boost your void res, which defeats the purpose of the amulet

it's not transitive though

[wooden mountain]

ah

well, yeah that's not ideal

[warped helm]

i see

i dont think i ever used VC as a movement skill, how does it even feel

also like i dont see myself playing without my one rive area idol but thats you having more points for 2nd strike aoe and pull too so yeah quite the different setup

cool to see though

also i cant drop my slow reduction nodes either

[wooden mountain]

it actually feels pretty nice, very snappy/responsive, but the aiming is tricky, the mana cost is tough and the skill doesn't really offer the kind of utility you typically want/get out of your traversal skill

[warped night]

VC is my favorite movement skill, tied with shift

its damage is far from negligible, so it's okay that it lacks some utility

but tbh it still has a really good amount of utility

crit vuln, void res shred, auto cast abyssal echoes, armor shred

[warped helm]

im running orb and its doing all my shred and charges

far from 90 vit breakpoint for +10% more though

and me really not needing much crit with my +18% from apathy

[warped night]

it's hard for me to slot in orb tbh

crit was important so I didn't have to roll it on my weapon. felt like a waste of an affix

[wooden mountain]

I like VR with the non-traversal and no second stage node, it's a touch slow but it's just always up

[warped helm]

yeah its pretty large affix decisions that change our entire builds even though its the same class and skill

[warped night]

yeah but VR does like 0 damage and VC hits for like 1-2m

[warped helm]

damn

okay what kinda rive crits do you get on that setup anyway

[wooden mountain]

guaranteed echoes on the skill you care about tho

[warped helm]

say highrolls, ive only seen some close to 400k which already seems pretty chunky

[warped night]

don't care when rive has 80% echo chance

[warped night]

I think I'm doing 500k-750k on uberroth depending on buffs and such. It's been a bit since I've played that character

[wooden mountain]

yeah I was playing chaining hammer throw time-rot where the echoes felt more significant for quickly stacking

though VC could apply a ton of stacks with next throw I guess

[warped helm]

nice nice, your speed must be insane compared to mine though with that aspd roll

and frenzy stack

[warped night]

would be fun to cycle VR with a VC focused build

yeah, speed on sheet was up to 300% iirc

[warped helm]

this build in general was a respec though, because i found and hit that apathy maw and the bleed build was just meh feeling to me, so im kinda not that invested but i knew 2h rive was fun coming back to so i put a setup together with what i had

just i guess ended up slapping harder than expected so i tried uber for a bit

[warped night]

yeah rive is sweet

[warped helm]

now i cant stop contemplating what to do with my 4ex 1h mace though, and what could/would probably be the strongest melee skill for dualwield, playing vengeance without THE vengeance mace is probably a mistake

[warped night]

warpath probably

50% phys pen with a mace

Then use rive to generate mana

Vlad has a build like that

[warped helm]

yeah thats what i originally thought, but idk if the ramp version makes sense without vk mana restore

lol i actually thought about that but disregarded it since it may feel clunky

just 1-2-1-2 rive speed mana restore

[warped night]

nah imo 1-2-1-2-3 so you can still use flame drinker

[warped helm]

uhhh

[wooden mountain]

one day there will be a good phalanx build 🙁

[warped helm]

okay that might be worth trying, but in case that doesnt feel right what would probably come closest, is multistrike the closest contender? or could vengeance have potential, need to look at its tree again

vengeance would atleast sort of solve tankiness

[warped night]

Multistrike could be fun. I was working on a DW multistrike planner earlier actually

Vengeance damage has always been underwhelming in my experience

could always do rive again lol

[warped helm]

i did a attunement hybrid with the blade spam ontop but that may have carried it

[wooden mountain]

vengeance with 40 attunement for iron blades hits a lot

you can do stuff with that

but its multipliers aren't particularly impressive

[warped night]

I've never been impressed by it

Yeah

[warped helm]

yea think thats what i remembered too

where MS even has singletarget utility now

[wooden mountain]

there's almost nothing better for holy aura fire explosions though

maybe rive with healing hands

[warped night]

Multistrike is better

Each sword hit generates a stack

[warped helm]

i wonder how much my healinghands spam is even doing in my build, probably a not too negligable amount

though bad base damage

[warped night]

I've found it's not as impactful as it would otherwise seem due to that, and the lack of high more damage modifiers

More of a utility than anything else

[warped helm]

yeah for sure

[warped night]

At the end of the day, for VK rive at least, there's more impactful skills imo

[warped helm]

i loved the utility and the way it feels and now its gonna act as a catalyst to apply more ignites too i guess which is nice

[warped night]

If it had void conversion I'd probably drop symbols for it

But without void conversion I can't really justify it

At least in my spec

[warped helm]

i guess this is less impactful for you too using the amulet then?

i remember why i disregarded flame drinker at first too, idk why they hid the tooltip mentioning that it converts when rive is void converted

like thats pretty important

[warped night]

yeah lol, it was when I noticed that text last patch that I started this character

[warped helm]

ok so dualwield t8 channelcost warpath, if not -> butcher crown MS maybe

[warped night]

or truesight

[warped helm]

truesight ive also not used yet, true 😏

what does it translate to, say you had 300% multi and maxed crit for it, then its 40% chance for "double" crit damage, or 2.2x damage? but then you would need 200% chance to crit to start with

or do you only need 40% over?

[warped night]

you need 140% crit chance

[warped helm]

oh okay that makes it a lot better

[warped night]

yeah

here's that DW multistrike planner I was cooking up today: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oyxRKMwB

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3.5

Class:

Sentinel (30) / Void Knight (20) / Forge Guard (58) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,274, Regen: 36.4/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 9.44/s
▸ Ward Retention: 34%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 110 Str / 17 Dex / 17 Int / 22 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 81% / 81% / 89% / 78% / 72% / 72%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 44%, Threshold: 796
▸ Dodge Chance: 3% (80)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 73% (7,600)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 0% (0)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 80%

Used skills:

Multistrike / Shield Throw / Healing Hands / Volatile Reversal / Abyssal Echoes

[warped night]

need to fix the endurance but was a proof of concept anyways

[warped helm]

haha, i was wondering wether people started making use of naals in a melee build yet

[warped night]

I used it in 1.1 for my DW FS spam FG

people kinda forgot about it last patch because of scissor

[visual stirrup]

I just realised that we said "Judgement, unlike Healing Hands, doesn't proc Twisted Heart because it only procs an elemental spell (Consecrated Ground) and isn't one itself", but then why is Judgement getting +1 Spell Level?

[warped night]

because twisted heart is based on directly casting a spell, which judgement is not, but skill levels are based solely on tag match

[wooden mountain]

because judgement has the spell tag, which is what matters for those affixes

[warped night]

confusing af tbh

[visual stirrup]

Then it should also proc it because it has the Fire + Spell tag

[wooden mountain]

but you never cast judgement, you always attack with judgement

you attack with judgement and proc a spell, you don't cast judgement

and twisted heart says cast

it doesn't work on other indirect casts either

[warped helm]

youd pick FG over pally eh? just for a bit of parry and 5% DR? or do you rate the str stack for pen that much as well

[peak zodiac]

you’re not directly casting the spell portion of judgement because consecrated ground is essentially a spell proc subskill

[warped helm]

my idea was going all in on endurance/life/armor on paladin, not needing any block investment and trying to push endurance to over 2k

[warped night]

I didn't think too hard about it tbh. wanted the attack speed, increased crit chance, str pen

[visual stirrup]

then you shouldnt get the +1 either

[warped night]

might be better on pally though idk

[peak zodiac]

you don’t need it to be directly cast to get the +1

all you need is the spell tag, which judgement has

[warped helm]

fair, also ive never played hack and slash MS, it sounds kind of atrocious? but i see why you went with double speed weapons if thats the case

[warped night]

it's sometimes really fun and clean, other times really clunky

[peak zodiac]

but twisted heart requires you to directly cast the spell for the life ->ward conversion, which you aren’t doing

[warped helm]

love that shield throw buff stick though, used it on the bleed build as well

[visual stirrup]

I'm pressing the Judgement button, is that not casting it?

[warped night]

yeah it's a nice little bonus, a lot easier to use with the DW throwing speed buff too

[warped night]

no, you're attacking

[visual stirrup]

What's the difference?

[warped night]

you attack with a melee/throwing attack, you cast a spell

you're directly attacking with a melee attack, and the melee attack indirectly casts a spell

[visual stirrup]

is Judgement a spell?

[warped night]

no

[visual stirrup]

then it shouldnt get the +1

[peak zodiac]

you are attacking with judgement, which is a melee attack. judgement leaves behind consecrated ground, a spell damage over time subskill. the skill “judgement” gains the spell tag because it leaves behind a spell, but you aren’t directly casting that spell.

[warped night]

plus skills are based only on tag

doesn't require a direct cast

[visual stirrup]

If "casting" means I press something that has the spell tag, then Judgement is an elemental spell I'm casting => should proc Twisted Heart.
If Judgement is not a spell itself, but only procs one (therefore I am attacking, not casting), it shouldn't get the +1.

Am I completely misunderstanding something?

[warped helm]

youre attacking with judgement, its just "triggering" its spell effect

[peak zodiac]

yes, the fact that the life -> ward conversion specifies directly.

[warped night]

you're conflating the spell tag with a skill being a spell that you cast

a tag is just a label

[visual stirrup]

But why is it getting the +1

[warped night]

because it has the label

[visual stirrup]

But it isnt a spell itself

[warped night]

it has the label

[peak zodiac]

because it doesn’t say “+1 to directly cast elemental spells”

[visual stirrup]

Twisted Heart says elemental spells get +1

[warped night]

yep

[visual stirrup]

so that means it is a spell itself

[warped night]

nope

[visual stirrup]

lol

[peak zodiac]

okay lillith let me give you another example that might clear things up

[warped night]

we can go in this circle all day if you want, and I don't disagree that it's misleading, but that's how it is. if you don't like it then leave #feedback

[peak zodiac]

if i have a skill that is void but creates a fire spell subskill

[visual stirrup]

it's not about liking it or not, I just don't understand what's going on, unless it's unintended / a bug, which you say it isn't

[peak zodiac]

i would not get the life -> ward conversion because the skill i’m directly casting is void

but i would get the +1 because the skill has the fire and spell tags

[visual stirrup]

that doesnt make sense to me

[uneven gorge]

+skills give skills to anything with the specified tag

[warped helm]

yes it has a spell part to it but you are never actively using it

the melee attack triggers it

you cant change that

[visual stirrup]

Got it

[uneven gorge]

Ye

[visual stirrup]

thanks everyone

[peak zodiac]

it’s confusing wording but it is intended and consistent

[visual stirrup]

❤️

[warped helm]

hm, vengeance multipliers do not even work for iron blades if i went that route again would they? figured if im paladin going for endurance stuff, id already be halfway to iron blades chance cap

[warped night]

I think some are meant to

it's really not clear which ones affect subskills and which don't

[warped helm]

oh yeah and meant to ask, why the forge weapon stuff on the MS tree?

[peak zodiac]

the intended logic should be that things that are not enemy conditional more multipliers get inherited

but subskill interactions with more multipliers are so wonky and inconsistent and bugged half the time that who knows

if you want to find out you get to spend hours testing against the dummy. have fun!

[warped helm]

right

[warped night]

pain

[warped helm]

really only 30, 50, 50 more damage on vengeance with some bit of crit stuff if not going fire based..mhm

think my last version went fire for reen synergy as well
yeah screw it id rather multistrike

[peak zodiac]

there is one guy who has played dw vengeance as forge guard for forever

i get you want the mace + reen but dual wielding on sentinel is so monka bro

[warped helm]

well not really when using vengeance i guess

[waxen nymph]

Do it in Warpath

So you get 50% pen from mace

[warped helm]

is that a late reply to me figuring out what to do with my 4ex mace?

[peak zodiac]

i mean you do get dr but like it’s still monka tbh

[visual stirrup]

@peak zodiac Sorry for the direct ping. I'm still looking for Leonine Greathelm + Champion Regalia and wanted to ask what you think of my filters.
First one of each is for Havoc, second is for Redemption.
I also have one where I'm directly searching for wanted T7s on said item types.

[peak zodiac]

i will dw on any other class but you cannot sell me on dual wielding on sentinel

[warped helm]

yeah, it is a short time window when engaging monsters is where its often just gone

[peak zodiac]

personally i would be filtering for any leonine/champ regalia with a t6 and up unless your gear has dramatically improved from last time you sent your planner

the implicits on them are so powerful that i would even consider using a rare one to be completely honest

[visual stirrup]

I got a Blossom with Healing Effectiveness, thats it

[visual stirrup]

I will reduce the 7 to 6 in my filters then, ty 🙂

I'd also take feedback on my Idol filter 😄
I'm filtering for specifically Adorned, Small Weaver and Minor Weaver with "must have 2 of" Serene (healing eff), Cleric's (healing eff), Scorching (fire pen), of Chitin (phys res), of the Bulwark (block eff), of many Threads (ele res)

I was wondering if I should drop it to must have 1 of because I can't drop any lol

[waxen nymph]

Could be

I did that last patch

Was pretty fun

[peak zodiac]

i’d start by filtering for anything that has block effect, the block effect formula is so borked that a couple block effect idols will massively increase your dr when you have very little. and then i’d probably have a separate rule to capitalize things that have 2 desired affixes.

[warped helm]

last patch without t8 channel cost and ramp? madman

[visual stirrup]

done, thank you!

[waxen nymph]

5/5 Warrior Fury
Dump my Mana
Rive to re fill it

[warped helm]

holy shit

funny how vk probably still has the most mitigation without a shield yet i still feel squishy, and then i wanna play dualwield oh no

[visual stirrup]

Worth to swap for 102% Block chance?

especially since they also have t7 melee attack speed, seems like a nobrainer idk

[peak zodiac]

i’d probably just try and grab a 3lp sunwreath with even just t1 block

[visual stirrup]

best I have is 2 lp rn

[peak zodiac]

sunwreaths have a giga low lpl should be pretty easy to get

it’s like 1/35 with rank 8 cof

[visual stirrup]

cof bonus doesnt apply to imprints and turtle though I think?

only raw drops

[peak zodiac]

the rank 8 bonus does yeah

[visual stirrup]

oh it does?

ok

[peak zodiac]

ye

[visual stirrup]

gotta find me a decent exalt ring first lol

[warped helm]

maybe paladin with nest isnt wrong, im pretty sure with nest and paladin nodes you could push 2000+ endurance threshold

what even happens when your threshold is higher/equal to life, is it always active or do you have to take any damage first?

[peak zodiac]

i’d be fine with 7/5/1 or even 6/5/1 tbh

[peak zodiac]

always active, endurance kicks in even on the hit that damaged you if it brought you below your threshold

[warped helm]

sick, never played something like that so here goes a new idea i guess

yet another nest build but thats okay

[peak zodiac]

the main offensive upside of endurance threshold stacking on paladin would be for the penance node though, and if you’re playing bleed you probably want carrion of creation

[visual stirrup]

yep, filtering for any t6+ ring for havoc / redemption or wanted t6 rn

[warped helm]

i mean, the offensive upside playing dualwield to begin with 👀

[peak zodiac]

actively building into endurance threshold stacking on its own is generally fairly low defensive value as you can also gain more endurance threshold by just building more health

[visual stirrup]

KEKW

[peak zodiac]

classic crystal artillery

[visual stirrup]

nono

it kept running back and forth

the whole time left and right

what do you even do lol

[warped helm]

i get that but pally grants a lot of flat values and nest increases the total by up to 20% it seems somewhat effortless to get to 2k maybe 2.5k even for a permanent big dr since i cant have a damn shield (plus armor backup)

[visual stirrup]

TBVH I feel vastly oversold on Pala lol

so much investment to maybe tank a little bit when I could just press RMB + stuff dies on LB

never seen rift beast run back and forth the whole time like that

How do you even fight like that on Pala

[visual stirrup]

I dodged every aoe I could lol

[peak zodiac]

rampant coast is probably the most anti-melee fight in the game tbf

[visual stirrup]

the whole game is anti-melee

[peak zodiac]

it kinda sucks because rampant coast on hardcore in general sounds incredibly monka but it’s also by far the most efficient

ehh melee gets enough in pretty much every other fight that i wouldn’t honestly say there’s much of a melee tax in general in this game these days compared to other arpgs

[visual stirrup]

all other beats I fought stand still though

this one kept bolting left and right

idk why

[peak zodiac]

i’ve seen the dash and i’ve seen the one where they fly up in the air a billion times but idk if i’ve seen the specific behaviour you’re describing before

[visual stirrup]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxY5fbKGPZjb8AMkLF-xnVOFg19Q82GNGn?si=XjqbZ9qPgOUkzkN7

the block killed me lol

I literally got knocked back into the aoe

KEKW

[peak zodiac]

it was the stun that killed you more than anything tbh

at least that’s how it looks

[visual stirrup]

time to reroll smth else though.
I understand that "with 3 LPs and Aberroth gear you can be sort of bulky" but that's so much investment for so little in return

[peak zodiac]

it’s still the tankiest build in the game on low gear just rampant coast is giga rippy, and high damage + range is more important for rampant than anything else tbh

[visual stirrup]

the longer things live, the more dangerous things are 🤷‍♀️

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so you'd just avoid coast altogether?

[peak zodiac]

like i’ve had characters that can essentially facetank uber that have gotten absolutely clapped by 1000c rampant coast

[visual stirrup]

I see why, it's just that the alternative is spamming folly + cemeteries, and got does that suck

[peak zodiac]

until you’re really sure that you can tank it ye, it’s so much deadlier than anything in the game at the point you unlock it

[visual stirrup]

I've done like 20 coasts until that points, and most of them just stood still and died after a couple seconds

I was not expecting it to dash every 2 seconds

[peak zodiac]

there’s a pretty big pool of evolutions and some of them are way rippier than others and rampant coast chooses them randomly

[visual stirrup]

not doing rampant coast is a huge handicap for a build tho ngl

[peak zodiac]

seeing the vid i have seen that happen before don’t think it’s bugged, i’d probably just portal out if i saw it start doing that

[visual stirrup]

isnt alt f4 faster?

portla has a pretty long summon animation

[peak zodiac]

i’m not sure honestly it feels like le takes a few secs to shut down on an alt f4

and you can still move while the portal is spawning

or just use a healing hands dash for the iframes

[peak zodiac]

it’s not that it can’t do rampant coast, i’m just not sure your character was ready for it with that level of gear

[visual stirrup]

expecting other gear at this point is unrealistic tho

also it's the need higher corruption for better gear - need better gear for higher corruption curse

[peak zodiac]

what you had is definitely farmable within a day imo

[visual stirrup]

nonsense