🔱┃sentinel

[alpine canopy]

better scaling though since it's str instead of att

[winter copper]

the consume node alone gives 300-360% more dmg

nothing comes even close

😰

the second best seems to be void cleave but it needs enemy to already have 12 stacks of rot

so maybe warpath+void cleave nuke

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, depending on how it works out, big orb shooting abyssal orbs may be best

[alpine canopy]

New node?

VC on live is pretty worthless for time rot from the looks of it

[winter copper]

no its right there

[alpine canopy]

Time rot doesn't deal melee damage

[winter copper]

old tooltip

the bottom is generic dmg

[alpine canopy]

Fair, but does it actually work like that?

[winter copper]

but needs to be tested for sure, usually bottom wins

[alpine canopy]

This one for example doesn't work for rav aura

[winter copper]

well rav aura is a subskill

so a bit different case

🤔

[alpine canopy]

Nah, subskills follow the same rules as ailments

[alpine canopy]

Speaking of those rules, this kind of modifier shouldn't be passed down to either anyway, being a conditional on enemy state

[winter copper]

i hate le tooltips

😡

[alpine canopy]

Oh yeah, almost forgot about shield rush

[vivid talon]

shield rush will definitely work online in season 2 right? all the bugs will be gone at last? not enough copium in the world rn

[winter copper]

i dont think itll work

but the new tr node description is kinda weird

[alpine canopy]

Description is a little odd, I think most time rot chance will be like the new electrify affix shown "electrify chance for lightning skills", where it'll be "time rot chance for void skills".

[bold horizon]

shield rush gets the void tag so it should work

[alpine canopy]

Those modifiers will work regardless of what skill is applying the time rot, but also we can spec shield rush to be void anyway

[turbid dome]

Wait that says global slow chance

So we don’t actually care about slow on the skill tree

[austere coral]

Anyone knows if Sierpin's spear and Divine Fury work together?

[alpine canopy]

Correct (same goes for all the modifiers on that, and the electrify node)

[alpine canopy]

Yes, they do. Or will in season 2, rather.

[urban phoenix]

I hope they tease some of the set shard values in the next interview.

We haven't seen any yet have we?

[halcyon yoke]

probably, considering it's the interview on itemization

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I'm thinking next interview shows some set affixes, idol enchants, and some of The Woven tree (the parts that let you focus your item acquisition).

Hopefully a few more uniques, maybe some new sets, too

[empty path]

I miss the bug of throwing jav while channeling shield rush to refund jav mana cost

[waxen nymph]

Oo

[gusty abyss]

Warpath with warriors fury, surely. Bleed and ingite converted to time rot to create a 12 stack Warslash. Then anomaly for double damage and tick speed.

[empty path]

Warslash I like to do with void cleave so it double slash

[junior wren]

So I'm catching up with the dev stream. Just saw the new Pious Offering. They said "we capped how much mana you could consume without nerfing the damage". But where's the replacement for Volatile Reversal mana return? 👀

Is it now dependant on mana generators? 😄

[gusty abyss]

Yep pretty much

Between time and faith and helm affix you can get like 28 per cast.

[devout sierra]

This description makes it feel hard to scale. its pretty easy to get lots of timerot chance in a skill, like vengence new void conversion would convert ignite/bleed to timerot, but based on this wording, thats not global time rot chance. So how are we expected to scale timerot

[waxen nymph]

Slow Chance
Time Rot Chance on Idols + Passives (maybe there is an affix on gear too)
And the Cast/Attack/Throw Speed
Also More Dmg from the tree

On Idols it goes to 30% for a 4Lx1H

Thats 60% More Dmg

[eager carbon]

i mean, least they can do is compesate with time rot on gear cause of the new electrify affix

that also spawns on huge idols only (1x4)

[waxen nymph]

Thats Duration

[devout sierra]

yeah but basically time rot deals 20dps, ignite deals 16 dps. so timerot with 10x damage(900% more) is equal to something like 150 ignites

it sorta feels still like its a weird situation where this looks like it tries to get you to build around timerot, but if you just used any other ailment instead you would be better off

[eager carbon]

ah, yes

[devout sierra]

its certainly better then it was, but it still feels like timerot is an after thought and used to turn on abilities(which is fine)

[eager carbon]

3 multiplicatives that multiply with each other

600% more damage orbs

sorry?

[devout sierra]

I dont know enough about the New DO, because it says when you cast a non rotating orb it sucks up all other orbs for more damage per orb, so im confused about how you get 5 extra orbs since when you cast the second wont it suck up the first leaving you with 1 orb with 100% more damage

[waxen nymph]

Maybe with the nodes that auto cast while moving ?

[eager carbon]

you cast it at some distance from each other and then blow them up with the last one

or that

[waxen nymph]

Oh yeah, there is the distance factor

[eager carbon]

with some duration from the tree you can have an orb up for ~14 seconds

plenty of time to stack up 5-6

anyway, i have other question

does this count global crit multi only or it will use specific crit multipliers like spell/melee/throw?

[devout sierra]

also i guess one thing im not considering is we can do some kinda idol crafting thing to get more then 2 mods now or something? if you can get 2 suffixes and have timerot + void skill slow chance on the same idol, thats a lot of stats

[waxen nymph]

Global

[eager carbon]

bummer

idk, i dont want to play ignite and electrify seemed cooler

[junior wren]

at least electrify is not capped to 12 stacks

[atomic bear]

Which mastery are bleed hammers

[supple ibex]

paladins

[atomic bear]

Is it also a safe/easy leveling build or do people general start with Y and then switch to hammers at level X for example?

[supple ibex]

that sadly is out of my knowledge.

[halcyon yoke]

supposedly, it has much higher scaling damage because it caps at 12
so it's a number tuning issue, and not "12 stacks bad time rot not viable"

[robust lake]

You level with warpath or whatever to like level 25-30 then you can respec into hammers and build up from that. It's extremely easy to level

By respecing I mean skills not passives, can just do the paladin thing off the bat

[eager carbon]

um

hammers is the best lvling skill by far

[atomic bear]

Here we go

[robust lake]

I kinda dislike the feel until I can take Ballista and Vortex but thats just me thing yeah :) Builds solid

[waxen nymph]

As of rn yes, very safe very easy

[devout sierra]

yeah my take is opposite, I just take hammers till monos, spiral hammer just shreds everything in the campaign, id skip orbiting and just take spiral hammers you just run and drop hammers behind you

[woven temple]

wait didnt they increase the cap on time rot to 24?

[devout sierra]

and things die as you walk

[woven temple]

at least I think I heard that one in the interview

[waxen nymph]

Dont think so

[eager carbon]

its still 12

but its supposesdly better

[devout sierra]

After doing some more math, I think timerot is better then initially thought. And is potentially even better if there is more timerot chance, new VK tree will change it alot actually

depending on how much the tree changes here or there

[robust lake]

I kinda doubt it can be a main dmg dealer even after it gets all the new support. It literally gotta be uncapped for it to be that

[devout sierra]

But it still probably loses to minmaxed other ailment builds, the benefit is that because it only stacks to 12 your damage uptime/ramp is huge

ignite/bleed builds can feel kinda bad sometimes cause you have some ramping periods but time rot will basically be maxed instantly even during clear

[robust lake]

It's going to feel better for sure yh

[gusty abyss]

if the spread on kill node stays then that will help a lot of clearing

[eager carbon]

if its spreads inherently the stronger time rot stacks, otherwise if its just applies the 12 stacks as base ones, then no

[empty path]

I either level with minions or with hammer nova normally

[waxen nymph]

The spread spreads the actually stacks, its like copy paste

Even with the duration left and everything

[devout sierra]

does it spread all of them

[gusty abyss]

which you can reset with Anomaly ^^

[waxen nymph]

I want to say yes, thats how the node works rn I believe

I am a bit sad them seems to have ditched Future Strike though

[eager carbon]

the backtracking is horrible on that

[waxen nymph]

Backtracking ?

[eager carbon]

when you go back to pick up loot from enemies you just passed by

with future strike it happens a lot

[waxen nymph]

Oh !

[gusty abyss]

That is kinda VK in a nutshell though, echoes also cuase that a lot

[waxen nymph]

I like DoT builds so I am kinda use to it

[devout sierra]

from what i recall future strike is a relic of the past, but I agree it would be cool to see it used more. From what I know it used to actually be a hit, and proc hit based things. then they changed it to its current version and its just another dot 😛

[eager carbon]

yeah, it was a hit

[waxen nymph]

Oo

Didnt know that

[gusty abyss]

that would actually be kinda busted 😮

but good unique flavor

sad that is gone

[devout sierra]

yeah there used to be like weird volcunus builds that built future sight, cause each time it procced it was a hit, so you procced hits, that could proc more hits, etc

[eager carbon]

haha, yeah imagine VK was actually melee in the past

[smoky shoal]

@waxen nymph i hit 400 corruption and still didn't get an apathy maw. It's now about the principle

And gamer rage lol

[robust lake]

go Thaen117 go

[waxen nymph]

Sorry for the ping @marble quest but fellow traveler need some help

[smoky shoal]

Honestly i can't believe it. I went from 100 to 400 corruption just going straight to oreo and got zero axes

I had to reduce the corruption back down because I was dying alot

[spring pollen]

That is very unlucky 😦

[smoky shoal]

Yeah no joke

I got so many rings, boots, and belts I'm starting to think apathy maw is apathy myth lol

[junior wren]

yes it has, I never said otherwise. It's just one passive that we've seen and it's providing three %more multipliers that are multiplicative with each other and everything else.

[marble quest]

https://tenor.com/view/kuchiyose-no-jutsu-summoning-gif-13501965

✨ Loot Drop Boost ✨ (single use, can be used for 1 (one) item or weapon or armour/gear, results not guaranteed)

[marble quest]

[smoky shoal]

Lol thanks

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/invocation-naruto-hand-seals-anime-gif-16713463

I raise you the OG

[analog quartz]

Here's to hoping I can still unga bunga a vk warpath build next season

My other build would be judgement aura since I'm a RF stan, but I'm not sure that'll be very good with the changes

[junior wren]

from what we saw it should retain its %more dmg so very likely it'll be similar to before patch

[robust lake]

Depending on patchnotes jRF might actually be more viable than before.

[smoky shoal]

Lol neither worked. Got the 8000th ring

[spring pollen]

If your luck is anything like mine, the moment you give up and stop looking for the axe you will get 3 drops in a row 😄

[smoky shoal]

Just got a mid-high roll 1LP

Effing finally

I lost count after 50 oreo kills but it was alot

My paladin was the one farming. Went from lvl 84 to 96 rofl

[wide ivy]

this modifier doesnt have any affect on modifiers like chance to take 0 dmg when hit right?

like from wall of nothing or seed of ekkidrasil

[clever hazel]

it only prevents dodge, nothing else

[robust lake]

🙇‍♂️ thank you Ave for splendor bestowed upon Thaen117 🙇‍♂️ blessed tho be

[turbid dome]

That means dodge from your dodge rating, so those take no damage items will work

https://www.lastepochtools.com/guide/section/dodge

^ game guide page on dodge, can also be viewed in game

[turbid dome]

Congrats! Good luck on the slam

[wicked monolith]

Can you barrel stuff divine bolts? Or can an enemy only be hit by 1 bolt per cast?

[waxen nymph]

Barrel stuff?

You mean shotgun?

And yes I believe so, 1 per cast

EHG is not too keen on shotgun

[ripe cargo]

skill modifiers let you do it though

[smoky shoal]

Should I try to slam flat void damage or void % on my apathy maw? For vk warpath

[robust lake]

u lose the shots u dont take :D and not like you have more than one, just do it :D

[smoky shoal]

Right but which one? Flat damage or void%

[robust lake]

if you could get both on the same exalted it'd make chances of something good hitting the maw 50% :D otherwise its... uhhh

back to oreo jail :D

[smoky shoal]

I'll have to check my stash lol I don't think i have any double t7 voids

[robust lake]

not sure whats bigger honestly, both % and flat are good, maybe flat more so if u have enough % on other pieces

if u dont mind some math check out formulas here, might wield better result in the end - https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/resources/damage-explained

[terse harness]

Who does best sentinel guides?

[robust lake]

not sure honestly, I'm at a stage where I just snipe ppl from ladder then make an amalgamation of their things and my knowledge xD

[smoky shoal]

Depends. Babblingbike or something like that does good paladin guides. Perrythepig is decent last i checked. I've had hit or miss results with action aarpg

Dreadful has a good zero to hero FG shield throw. He hasn't done alot with sentinel lately because I think he's waiting for the rework

[smoky shoal]

Ty will take a look

[waxen nymph]

Flat Crit

@pseudo frigate I saw your msg in general

What's wrong with your Javelin?

[pseudo frigate]

I think my builds are all wrong just in general since I don't follow guides

[waxen nymph]

Do you want help ?

[turbid dome]

we can offer pointers to fix that build right up + help you learn

[alpine canopy]

Time rot gives us a new way to play DOT ailments, we can use slower hitting skills, hopefully with whatever has the highest damage multiplier, since we only need to reach 12 stacks

It seems to have potential since some sentinel skills do have high multipliers that can pass down to ailments, but I think the main unknown is how much slow and TR chance we can stack with the new passive tree and presumably new affixes

[turbid dome]

I'm thinking void smite is gonna be the best for that

given void smite converts all ignite chance to slow chance

[alpine canopy]

Skill-specific stuff won't matter

[turbid dome]

does it not count global ignite chance if that gets converted to slow chance

on a skill

[alpine canopy]

Shield rush has some of the biggest multipliers, so I'm thinking that or some weird dorb stacking thing (maybe just dorb for bossing if it's too clunky)
Though hammer smite is also a good option, hammer and smite both get 3.5x multis so not bad

[alpine canopy]

If we had something that did that globally like Maehlin's, maybe

[turbid dome]

more so thinking smite cause its stupidly easy to trigger it

[turbid dome]

darn

[alpine canopy]

Orbiting hammers + smite for clear, crazy dorb stacking for bosses maybe?

[turbid dome]

hmmm

auto cast orbiting hollow orbs for both hit dmg and shooty dmg?

[eager carbon]

Auto cast orbs all the way

Blow them for big time rot

Then refresh it with anomaly

[robust lake]

🎱z

[alpine canopy]

Not sure if all the crazy comboing stuff will work for orbiting/auto-cast dorb, but if so that could be pretty smooth

If time rot doesn't work out too well, I'll just run rav aura with orbiting DOT dorb probably

[eager carbon]

Remember, you can also swap mastery now

[robust lake]

join the javadin legion o7

[noble zenith]

cant wait to play javadin with the changes

[alpine canopy]

I'll most likely make 3 separate sentinels, but we'll see how it goes

[devout sierra]

I got something like 180% slow chance with 2 t6 slow swords, and atrophy, but I think atrophy is meme. I want to go swords because the 2set forbidden knight is pretty good for void pen.

But its still possible to get 150% slow chance, and with current values rot grip itself gives 30% global chance, there is idols for 30% x 2, and 20% x 2, so lets call this 75% total if well rolled but not perfect, thats 105% time rot chance, thats 210% more, then you can nab the sword sent passive for 30% all speeds, for 30% more damage.

which gives you something like 10x~ damage or 900% more.

However we can now craft idols through a system to get extra affixes? if you can get another suffix that is from the normal pool, that is potentially tons of void skill slow chance.

And I dont know how the set crafting stuff works, something about it putting a stat from the item on the rare/exalted? if you can nab the timerot chance from teh amulet its a decent chunk of damage.

This is assuming that there is no new source of global timerot chance outside of rotgrip. The only sources of timerot on current VK is rotgrip which is currently melee only, and the echo node i forget the name that again is melee only. Melee specific time rot shouldnt work as its class specific and not global.

oh and you can get frenzy through boots or the new VR to get anothger 20% speed bring that up to 50% for some extra juice as well

[waxen nymph]

Sword Catcher for the Frenzy Effect

And Rive Conversion Bleed to Time Rot, maybe

[devout sierra]

see i dont think the rive would work

as stuff like skill specific stuff is not global, its like salt the wound calling out only global effects, basically if its not on the character sheet, it wont be counted

cause then we could go for uhh vegence, which converts ignite AND bleed with one node

And take the huge ignite/bleed in FG, and get like 400% time rot ez pz lol

[alpine canopy]

I think the more damage per time rot on FK set will be hard to beat for TR, so we might need to go sword and board

[waxen nymph]

I meant just to apply it

[devout sierra]

ah i c

[real patrol]

multistrike smite electrify, are we expecting to use wands?

[smoky shoal]

@waxen nymph slam went bad. Had a double t7 axe with crit and crit multi... it got t5 phys damage

[lusty patrol]

what do people use to to level paladins? im doing a run atm where im planning to use javelin but the first 20 lvls are unfortunate

[alpine canopy]

More likely to use swords and/or axes. There's a couple solid unique swords for it, may or may not still be the play in S2.

[alpine canopy]

I'd usually do rive or hammer throw

[smoky shoal]

Hammers or rive. If you have the ignite mace you'll fly through levels with hammers

[real patrol]

Mana will probabaly be an issue with 15 smites per second

[alpine canopy]

Might be yeah, particularly on single target

[real patrol]

With Aurelia you will go oom in 3-4s

[alpine canopy]

using a wand does hurt your attack speed pretty bad, but if you can't sustain mana then maybe

[real patrol]

Maybe those boots for the flat mana reduction

[alpine canopy]

Yeah that would probably be the way

[lusty patrol]

yeah im trying to plan for fresh start on both vk and paladin which is hard without knowing how things will get changed up for endgame builds but leveling is something i can work on now before patch notes.

[pseudo frigate]

probably another day, or maybe closer to the launch of the new season since I'm sure my fundamentals are a bit all over the place

[lusty patrol]

also what is this ignite mace if i chance one on cycle start...ill take the free dub

nvm i know this one torch of the pontifex lol

[smoky shoal]

Might be a scepter i can't remember. But I get them in the purple body things all the time, can't remember what those are called either lol

[lusty patrol]

i feel that i dont remember the names of anything...i just typed "put that in the nemesis thing. theres is an egg that shows up in those and you can replace them with your own uniques" in in-game chat. hopefully that guy i was helping had his issue solved of me trying to explain how to get LP on an item that doesnt have it

tbf he was asking "yo how do i make this pink" while linking a fragment of the enigma. so i hope my explanation got there for him

[alpine canopy]

Firestarter's Torch, it's a sceptre

[lusty patrol]

oh i thought he was talking about torch of the pontifax that also makes sense though and helps with mana

[alpine canopy]

The spreading flames on its own can carry you to like level 20 or so, it's pretty nice

[prisma hollow]

Anyone that has used future strike can tell me how it scales? Based on my own testing, it seems to not only scale with dot increases, but also from how hard you hit the enemy

Also the the tooltip for future strike doesn't specify that it stacks, which is actually nutty

[winter copper]

someone is new to le 😏

future strikes are beyond bad

[quiet hearth]

Not true, they are effective, just so far into the future that you cant see them yet

[alpine canopy]

It scales like a typical void damage over time ailment. So it's not related to the hit that applies it, but it does "inherit" applicable damage modifiers from the skill that applies it.

[turbid dome]

it infinitely stacks

unlike other dots it does all its damage at the very end

its bad entirely because it has 3 nodes and one item implicit that give you chance to inflict it

[crude palm]

What are my options if I want to build a sentinel that uses purely ranged skills for damage?

So far I see hammer throw, shield throw, smite, and javelin.

[junior wren]

you found them all. Technically forge strike can be ranged too

healing hands is ranged too if you specialize it for damage

[woven temple]

also devouring orb, abyssal echoes

[waxen nymph]

I am so excited for the new Dot DOrb

I hope it can be good

[woven temple]

I'm more interested in potential updates for echoes to make it more viable on paladin with the fire conversion

[clever hazel]

healing hands with divine bolts specifically is easy to miss and its very much a strong ranged build

[woven temple]

you still need to be healing yourself with HH to trigger the bolts, right?

[clever hazel]

I think so yeah, you just use the missing health gained as ward affix to constantly lose life and convert healing hands to ward recovery, plus homeward so it always targets you

then just spam healing hands and fire 5 divine bolts at enemies every cast

[scenic gyro]

pretty sure that was top tier in 1.0, there were several videos/post on reddit with divine bolts

cause hh was so op

[clever hazel]

I don't think the damage was ever mind blowing, it was giga overtuned defensively though

[scenic gyro]

anything hh+ward was s tier +
didnt rly matter what you did with it

[eager carbon]

The melee channeling version was the best probably

[eager carbon]

You can use shield rush with the no cooldown node that costs life, make hh trigger off of melee and it will proc bolts every hit

[woven temple]

more so because you also had like 100k ward in process

[scenic gyro]

as an hp enjoyer im glad we get some more love this patch

[fair hollow]

Still hoping on flat endurace threshold buffs

[alpine canopy]

Maybe. tbf, buffing health across the board also buffs endurance across the board

[clever hazel]

tbh I feel like flat endurance threshold should be better than flat health on gear at some breakpoint, but you never see anyone gear for it, so idk why the stat even exists

[fair hollow]

In a way yes, but i want to be able to stack endurance threshold instead of hp, especially to make hp regen more efficient

[robust lake]

this is my chonky bear I've facetanked abby with from a season or two ago https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QJLGxmxo its feels rly weird stacking ET

[crude matrix]

Druid, Level 100

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Primalist (20) / Beastmaster (8) / Shaman (24) / Druid (61)

General:

▸ Health: 4,313, Regen: 29/s
▸ Mana: 744.61, Regen: 15.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 44 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 77 Att / 3 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 94% / 94% / 85% / 75% / 79% / 96%
▸ EHP: 12,061 / 12,061 / 12,061 / 17,055 / 12,061 / 12,061 / 12,061

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 1,908
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (35)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,095)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 114%

Damage Types:

▸ Lightning, Physical, Cold / Melee, Spell, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Maelstrom (21)
• Gathering Storm (20)
• Werebear Form (20)
• Warcry (20)
• Tornado (21)

Used unique items:

• Kermode's Cage
• Legacy of the Quiet Forest
• Eterra's Path
• Tears of the Forest
• Twisted Heart of Uhkeiros

[robust lake]

its like 2.4k threshold in bear but you rarely get below it so its kinda eh

[fair hollow]

I wouldnt be opposed to removing the 20% endurance threshold based on hp but in return fouble or tripple the flat endurance affixes

[clever hazel]

uh

that's almost entirely %max health as endurance threshold though, lol

you have one +flat endurance threshold affix on helm, and your EHP would be higher with flat health there

[robust lake]

yeh it was my reroll project I didn't finish it properly too :p

it was doing allright for its purpose of walking through ~500s to pop nemesis asap xd sentinels dont even need to stack ET for it to be present its just there, can also combine with Arbor shield to help ur max block

[alpine canopy]

I suspect that recovery multiplier is exactly why endurance is not made to be super stackable

[fair hollow]

Then you might aswell remove the affix

[woven temple]

I mean we've been saying it for like 6 years now

[robust lake]

just make it 80% instead of 60% zulul, nobody gonna notice pinky promise

[clever hazel]

rather than remove it, I think it should be a (very rare) prefix, so people can craft it there if they want (because their build doesn't really benefit much from prefixes or whatever)

or make it hybrid with some other mod

[vernal frigate]

Does anyone know how this node and Orian's Eye interact?

I dont even know where to start to try to understand it

so say you take a 10000 damage fire hit

[woven temple]

im pretty sure that this falls under conversions and the only one time rule

[vernal frigate]

ahhh one time rule

[clever hazel]

once damage is converted it cannot be converted further, right

[vernal frigate]

gotcha thanks both

so 10000 fire damage hit, reduced by 15% from orians eye = 8695

50% of that taken taken as void damage (from skill node) is 4347 void damage

void damage reduced by 20% from skill node = 3780
3780 + 4347 = 8127 total damage

is that how it works?

[woven temple]

no, the void damage taken as fire from the amulet will not be converted to void again by the passive

with both you will take elemental as void (with the extra DR from the passive) and void as fire, and that's final

[clever hazel]

conversions also apply before damage reduction is calculated, not after

[woven temple]

yeah as otherwise that node would be self-defeating

[vernal frigate]

please forgive me i have huge issues understanding this through text instead of numbers 😔

[clever hazel]

so a 10K fire damage hit would be converted to 5000 fire / 5000 void, then you apply fire DR to the fire damage, and void DR to the void damage

[vernal frigate]

ohhh

[clever hazel]

a 10K void damage hit would be converted entirely to fire by orian's eye (and cannot be converted further), then reduced by fire DR

if you had two different things trying to convert the same incoming damage (like say, 100% of void damage taken as fire + 100% of void damage taken as cold) idk what would happen or which thing would take priority

[vernal frigate]

game goes boom

thank you for the help i appreciate it

do you think the new immortal vise gloves 30% of hit line is a DoT? so is it affected by Orians eye less damage over time taken lol

and also armor mitigation

[clever hazel]

I don't think anything will reduce it further, it's already reduced once when calculating the hit damage

[woven temple]

we don't know but currently most items applying damage to yourself are all weird and have very limited interactions with your stats, i.e. bleed from Bleeding Heart, self-ignites from Calamity etc

[clever hazel]

it's probably similar to the "current health lost per second" affixes that say "this is not affected by increases or reduction to health drain effects"

[woven temple]

chances are these gloves wont be affected by anything either

[vernal frigate]

🙏 i see!

[analog quartz]

What's probably the easiest build archetype to get going from fresh SSF? VK Warpath?

[robust lake]

keep in mind in LE armor applies to ele dmg too

[eager carbon]

Bleed hammers

Its even better now, since you can go paladin and respec to vk when you have gear

[alpine canopy]

Whichever element that appears first in your resists order goes first (left to right)

[alpine canopy]

No, it is not DOT and cannot be mitigated by anything at all once applied (it is affected by all your hit mitigation and any endurance it would have gone through at the instant of the hit)

[vernal frigate]

ty!

[turbid dome]

Mike confirmed that this is not a dot as you would be double dipping on defense

oop toast said that

[vernal frigate]

np ty anyway

[smoky shoal]

Got my warpath to 6/10 harbs. Now I'm kinda bored after that relentless quest for an apathy maw lol. Need a new character to try. I'm thinking FG full on tank mode but not sure what to do

[turbid dome]

melee bonk? minion gang? throwing?

[smoky shoal]

I dunno tbh. I have a smite paladin and a void warpath vk. I've never played a FG

[analog quartz]

I've heard shield throw fg is fun

[waxen nymph]

I wouldnt start a new Sentinel 2 weeks before the rework

[analog quartz]

Or shield bash

[analog quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

That's what I did with my warpath vk lol

And I'll probably make another one in the new season haha

Because I'm mad

[smoky shoal]

I'm just bored lol

[waxen nymph]

Play a Primalist ^^

[analog quartz]

If you want to be really tanky, a wearbear druid would give you that for sure

[smoky shoal]

Meh I have a rampage werebear from 1.0

I'm looking for something I haven't done before

Maybe I'll try a necro. Feels like cheating on sentinel though

[alpine canopy]

Playing sentinel is kinda like cheating on primalist, after all sentinel kinda sorta killed primalist's whole family and whatnot

[woven temple]

its okay he was sad about it and deserted

"strong in virtue" my ass

[spring pollen]

Launch date changed

[scenic gyro]

4 weeks sadge

[waxen nymph]

Ffs

Just read

[woven temple]

the streamers are gonna be happy

I guess that's the natural conclusion of relying on them for your advertising

[slow plaza]

I am mixed on it

[scenic gyro]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message
thats bs sorry

[slow plaza]

on one hand, this is technically better in the long term

but its terrible for my short term

[scenic gyro]

they could just handout 2.0 notes and add whatever they change extra inthose 2 weeks later

[spring pollen]

Likely positive for the long run longevity of the game. But sucks having to wait couple more weeks 🙃

[scenic gyro]

they've been forced to make this decision but at least throw the community a bone
especially since they should have the patchnotes ready in ~1week anyways
idk, im just salty rn

[spring pollen]

Patch notes would be a big win for them. People could theory crafting for a week or two and would be happy as a pig in mud

[waxen nymph]

Same

[ancient light]

patch notes would be good to kill the extra time until launch for sure, but ofc we won't get them soon

[analog quartz]

Do you play other ARPGs Dread or just LE?

While I'm sad LE had to delay, I'm glad I'm going to be able to fully invest time into both launches.

[urban phoenix]

Probably using the extra time wisely to get more content out.

[scenic gyro]

there wont be more content, just more "polish"

(not that i mind polish people, but id prefer patch notes)

[urban phoenix]

Did they announce that somewhere?

[scenic gyro]

thats what mike said in dev channel

so yes

[urban phoenix]

👍

[mild stump]

Is there a build planner updated with what we know about 1.2 yet? Or is it a case of waiting for patch notes?

[fair hollow]

Waiting for patch notes

[turbid dome]

👍

[winter copper]

despair

[turbid dome]

🫂

Join the void we have dental insurance

I just want more future strike support

[turbid dome]

how does it have one reference

it has 3 nodes

But also beans

It’s such a neat idea for a dot, but it just has no support 😭

Like give vk a node that converts your bleed chance into future strike chance

[vernal frigate]

i know we dont have much more info yet.. but do you guys think there will be less or more affix pressure on gear now (especially with idol crafting and champion affixes)?

it would suck to not be able to fit in any champion affixes on gear

[robust lake]

They come sealed so it's basicly free bonus stat. Now how rare good exalted champion items and how accessible new runes are going to be that we shall see

[vernal frigate]

yeah true

just as an example, some gloves for erasing strike

you are already sealing frailty on hit (if your build doesnt get it elsewhere), and ALL of the affixes are necessary

[robust lake]

EGs are pretty much bis for everyone right now except you really wanna use a certain unique. Dot mitigation is basicly only there and on body armor

[vernal frigate]

its strong for sure

[robust lake]

wish we could put them into eggs lol

[vernal frigate]

yeah lol

base types are so important

[lunar hazel]

You can put the new unique into eggs. I'm afraid it'll be uber aberroth loot though.

[waxen nymph]

It's confirmed, drop from Uberroth

[vernal frigate]

then you get +int from nemesis empowerment

in regards to what i was saying before, i hope this champion affix isnt limited to weapons, would be fun

ah nvm it most likely is because of the melee damage

😭

[waxen nymph]

Pretty sure it will be

[gusty abyss]

All the affixes shown where always on the same item type.

[vernal frigate]

ahhhhhhh

[waxen nymph]

It might even be 2h Axe lock

But thats a sweet affix if you ask me

[gusty abyss]

I asked Mike if that means that IE that void cleave affix was only for axes, he said there are restictions but its not 100% locked to just the shown type

[waxen nymph]

Maybe t7 gives 2 Charges or more

[vernal frigate]

yeah makes sense because theres a necrotic spell one on a rogue relic

[gusty abyss]

Personally really interesting in smite on throw, it was shown on mace, but on sceptre that would be amazing

if we could get 100% with just 2 idols, we could run 4 3x1 or 1x3 idols 😄

[vernal frigate]

yeah im so curious to see the idol affixes

even if its more ele/other res thats already build changing

less pressure on gear for those

[gusty abyss]

we might see some unique affixes there as well

[waxen nymph]

I would love it, but I have a bad feeling about this

[gusty abyss]

yeah, I think the intent is really on electrify

IE, lock out spell damage

[alpine canopy]

For now

[robust lake]

Kinda sad we need 5x small Idols to cap certain res with Holy Aura instead of 4x :p that'd be way cuter

[lusty patrol]

this is an interesting idea being able to put non-exalted bases into eggs lol just more stuff to pick up 🙂 but im here for it

i dont think theres ever a world where being able to put exalted items into eggs is balanced. too easy to get triple exalted or 2 t7s

but i could see it as a mechanic to farm exalted of a specific base type and fish for something you can rotate the affixes around on

[robust lake]

yeh don't need to be exalted just let us put in yellow and below, targeting a good base is good enough in itself

[lusty patrol]

this is maybe something we can work in over the next month...?!?!?!?!?!?!

[inland quarry]

sigh shield rush is still bugged. whenever you spec into the no-cooldown node, you're stuck running in place and can't do anything.

[alpine canopy]

iirc it only has done that when you don't meet the weapon requirements. But I thought they fixed that, too, so idk

[inland quarry]

i was just testing some things for the upcoming update. and yea it totally sucks.

[polar spire]

What even was the old launch date?

I cant remember lol

Needa know old launch date so i can be angy for no reason

Rabble rabble rabble

[waxen nymph]

2nd

[turbid dome]

😡

[polar spire]

Oh thats honestly for the best

I get more time for Inzoi now

[waxen nymph]

Inzoi ?

In that like the Sims ? or 2nd Life ?

[inland quarry]

yea i guess that's not too bad. atelier yumia is coming out tomorrow so that'll keep me busy

[polar spire]

Yea its like the sims, no games ever really competed with EA

This game is going to be its own LE against another industry titan

[nova hull]

hey guys, i have a small question... will we have the chance to test the Sentinel rework before April 17th or will we only be able to see it after the new cycle on 17th?

[merry axle]

Several days before the 17th they will release detailed patch notes which should provide a lot of insight to theorycraft with. Actual hands on playtime though - no - everyone will be getting that for the first time on the 17th.

[nova hull]

ty for the answer

🙂

[robust lake]

chonker gang, now to wait one month before going fresh ._.

[turbid dome]

beefy boi

[clever hazel]

testing out javelin offline, tbh I'm not really sold on this skill lol

feels like this will get really tedious to clear with after a while

[misty parcel]

Has anyone ever played around with vengeance and the iron blade hits it does lol

[waxen nymph]

That's why I am so excited to be able to able both Split and Siège Barrage

Siège Barrage will melt bosses and rares, split will clear screen wide

[polar spire]

Have worked with jav before, its actually nice and smooth, and im happy seeing the new changes and gear coming to it

Jav making next melee cost 25 less mana is also a big one, with no cdr anvil you can cycle both lightning fast

[alpine canopy]

It's not too bad to clear with jav. It's not the smoothest clear in the world, but it's fine.

[polar spire]

Jav, forge strike, jav, forge strike

[alpine canopy]

Siege barrage splitting just enables non-lightning-smite jav builds to be okay

[polar spire]

Just bapbapbapbap

[clever hazel]

it's mostly the lack of auto targeting that kills me, I'm comparing it to other setups where I attack once and half the screen is basically deleted

I'm sure it will be better once divine fury and siege barrage work together, I mostly just made this character to test that out immediately when season 2 goes live

[polar spire]

Well, then fingers crossed that changes, right?

I hope they keep the less melee mana cost node

I love that node on jav

[alpine canopy]

Probably won't change. But maybe on controller it will 😂

[polar spire]

Can play ranged forge strikes and just destroy at range

[clever hazel]

unironically I would play with a controller if that's what I had to do for auto targeting on this skill

[polar spire]

Need a last epoch javelin aim trainer game

[clever hazel]

that's what I love about smite tbh

I just hold down the button and my character asks god to kill things for me

[quiet hearth]

Just play hammers and it turns into more of a, to whom it may concern sort of thing

[alpine canopy]

I am ready to send a lot of spiders some strongly worded hammers

[tawdry saffron]

Does "put to the sword" nodes crit multi conversion to phys pen for bleed only apply to the increase crit multi from the forge strike tree and not items and or passive tree?

[alpine canopy]

Pretty sure it says only stuff on that skill tree

[tawdry saffron]

Yeah I just wanted to make sure. I appreciate it.

I was hoping it took all forms of crit multi

[frozen bluff]

Hi there,

I’m super new to this game, and I’ve been playing ARPGs for a while now, but I tend to struggle with high APM builds. I also have a bit of social anxiety when it comes to trading in games like path of exile, so I usually just play solo and take my time.

I was watching a YouTube video about the game and saw there’s a low APM build that’s kinda like the old spinning builds from past ARPGs. The build when I clicked it only said for end game and not leveling It looked really fun and simple, and I was wondering if that low apm playstyle has an version for leveling and learning? I’d love any advice or direction you could give me!

Thanks so much, I’m really excited to play this game and get to know the community.

[austere coral]

Leveling with Erasing Strike - how do you recomend to path skill's tree?

[turbid dome]

are you doing void cleave + erasing strike?

[austere coral]

Yeah

[turbid dome]

warpath, trigger smite + smite on throwing attack hit idols

[turbid dome]

this is what I do

[austere coral]

One concern - how do you stack Time Rot for Final Hour node?

[turbid dome]

5 time rot on vc hit + your time rot chance

get darkstride boots asap for 2 vc charges

[fluid sparrow]

I am so curious on the Time Rot changes (aside from what they revealed already), or you guys think that is the most part of the changes?

[analog steppe]

I would assume thats most of the timerot changes, a bunch of conversion nodes to make skills apply it, the triple more scaling passive

[inland quarry]

damn, i just discovered that shield rush is op as hell. the only downside is that it's also bugged to hell 😦

you get possibly 4 hits for 1 cast.

[harsh nova]

so we're gonna be wizards in 1.2?

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-mage-cat-mage-cat-by-demonwolf-wizard-cat-by-demonwolf-gif-7332183089245991072

[turbid dome]

nacho we've been wizards

[harsh nova]

tru tru

[smoky shoal]

Check out Dr3adful on YouTube. He has "zero to hero" videos and planners in the video description. His static sorcerer is pretty good and I really only use one hand to clear most content. (Rmb, thumb 1, thumb 2)

I also leveled paladin as bleed hammers which is ez pz

Now this could be an unpopular opinion. But I kinda wish orbiting hammers lasted longer like blade vortex from poe1. You can already kinda of zoom pack to pack with lunge. But it would be nice if it lasted longer

[inland quarry]

would be nice if they fixed the shield rush stuck bug.

[alpine canopy]

That's why I like locust swarm. Rav aura is pretty good as well, but not sure how bossing damage will be without VR - we did at least get dorb as a new option and whatever other buffs.

[clever hazel]

I think I caved into EHG's melee propaganda

I'm enjoying multistrike smite 🤔

[alpine canopy]

MS is really pretty solid as a clear skill, in S2 we'll be able to slap on bladestorm and make it good for single target, too

Don't tell rive

[clever hazel]

Am I crazy or does Warrior's Renewal on Lunge not work at all with Multistrike

or actually.. any melee skill, wtf

use Lunge -> spam melee -> Lunge still takes 3+ seconds for the cooldown -> ???

feel like reducing the remaining cooldown by 30%, 3 times, should be super obvious.. but it's doing literally nothing

oh.. ok, that's super lame; it only reduces the cooldown for the final charge if you have 2 charges

[alpine canopy]

Oh.. ooh that's not ideal

[clever hazel]

feels bad man

honestly this feels like a bug, I shouldn't need to have both charges on cooldown for Warrior's Renewal to actually do something

[smoky shoal]

MS smite with the lvl 6 sword or nah?

I can't remember the name. Paladrus or something

[clever hazel]

Palarus, and idk I don't use it

I'm an electrify enjoyer and Aurelis is obviously way stronger for that

[smoky shoal]

Oh yeah I forgot about that sword

I wonder if palarus would be good leveling that way and the. Swap later to aurelis

I may have to do a test run to see

[pearl geyser]

pala sword seems real good for warpath smiter

[alpine canopy]

You can dual wield them

[covert phoenix]

It's the wording

If you have one charge, the remaining cooldown is 0

therefore, you have 30% of 0

[clever hazel]

skill text is descriptive not prescriptive (see: completely different text on judgement - righteous degree vs multistrike - hallowed arsenal for the exact same mana expenditure effect)
the current behavior is very counterintuitive (cooldown recovery speed makes you gain your charge back faster, but cooldown recovery on attack doesn't..? 🤔)

arguably makes double strike worthless, because while running echoes I'm constantly at 0/2 charges, meaning I just have a useless second charge and a longer cooldown on my traversal skill for no reason
edit: I guess it doesn't matter, I gave up on lunge and went back to healing hands + javelin for movement 🤣

[scenic gyro]

T-2 weeks !! wooohooo are we hyped gang?

https://tenor.com/view/condestável-condestavel-wojak-doomer-wojak-scary-wojak-gif-12758665197812043739

[umbral breach]

What are the best builds for sentinel per subclass? I didn't play Last Epoch for som time.

[woeful storm]

you might want to check the #news

[junior wren]

That depends on who you ask, and what you wanna do. 5s boss kill builds usually don't clear monoliths super fast.

my best builds would be probably these:
VK = Erasing Strike build (ES+VC)
FG = Forged Weapons Minion build (FS+Multistrike+VC)
Pala = Consecrated Ground stacking build (Judgement)

but if you look at maxroll for example, none of these builds I mentioned are even in their tier list 😄

[edgy gust]

Aaaah, i wanna have all the info about changes in s2 so that i can continue working on making my javelin lightning build xD

[junior wren]

did you see the gameplay stream? They hovered over a bunch of javelin nodes

[waxen nymph]

I am going to add one for each
VK > Hammer Smite Spell Crit
Paladin > Hammer Smite Bleed
FG > Shield Bash

[clever hazel]

is Pilgrimage + Siege Barrage on Javelin still bugged? I see reports going back to like, 2023.. doesn't seem to be working lol

[junior wren]

how is it bugged?

[clever hazel]

it should give 120% electrify and 120% ignite chance to melee skills while Javelin is on cooldown

it just.. doesn't seem to do that if you have Siege Barrage allocated

[junior wren]

could it be related to Surprise initiative? I'm assuming anyone who goes for this combination will use the flag

and jump to flag is a combo skill so your button doesn't actually have a cooldown unless you use the the "jump to flag" thingy

i searched just now, and I found a guy saying it works if you don't take Surprise Initiative #🔱┃sentinel message 😄

[clever hazel]

that's.. really stupid lmao

why does surprise initiative disable it

[junior wren]

very likely a bug

not sure how the game handles combo skills internally

[clever hazel]

oh, I think it might work if you fully use the combo

that's so odd, I think it requires both javelin + banner rush on cooldown or something before it activates

[waxen nymph]

That node is a bit weird too
It doesn't give Javelin a traversal tag

[alpine canopy]

Jav doesn't go on cooldown until you use banner rush

But yeah, meta for the ailments while on cooldown node is to just take the banner and usually you want it to cast smite

[scenic gyro]

it's also a pretty decent movement skill substitution with no target required until we get vr rework

[alpine canopy]

I wish that node just gave a buff for a duration, it's kinda janky as is

[clever hazel]

I'm planning on using javelin + volatile reversal together tbh

[scenic gyro]

if only we had patchnotes so we could cook 🤡

[clever hazel]

I really hope self-casting smite gets some love, it's kinda sad how bad it is compared to the like, 5+ different ways you can trigger smite

[scenic gyro]

there is already 1 buff confirmed for smite

[junior wren]

the player who tested it says it doesn't work even after he used the banner rush and the skill actually showed a cooldown

[scenic gyro]

i think one node with cast speed/base crit or smth

[clever hazel]

yeah.. that's not really enough, and it doesn't do anything for electrify smite 😅

[scenic gyro]

i'd hold my horses on that until we get all the new affixes and passives

[junior wren]

That's the base crit node we already have. Current gives +2% crit and -5% cast speed and has 5 pts. New version doesn't reduce cast speed and has only 4 pts.

[scenic gyro]

sounds great no? more cast speed for free if you wanna direct cast

its smth

[clever hazel]

I don't think I've ever allocated those nodes in any smite build I've played, ever; losing the cast speed penalty won't change anything for me lol

I like damage over time builds

[scenic gyro]

its free base crit for any proc smite

cause you dont care about cast speed if you are not casting yourself

so the change does nothing for procs, just boosts dps for direct cast

[clever hazel]

it's not free, it takes skill points

and my current build is using wing guards meaning I literally can't crit at all

[junior wren]

I did because spell crit is kinda hard to come by compared to melee crit

[scenic gyro]

capping crit on smite is not that easy if you dont meet certain conditions

[junior wren]

for proc smite, it basically doesn't change, or I guess you could say it's a nerf because it goes from 5 pts to 4 pts maximum, so it's 2% base crit less you can take.

but ofc if you never took it in the first place, then it's no changes for your build

[scenic gyro]

depends on the build i guess, i only have 3 points in that and still crit capped

[junior wren]

yeah, if you have good gear already it's a different story, but early on you would max it out 🙂

[scenic gyro]

play legacy = always have good gear kappa

[woeful storm]

yo guys i'm crafting a manual smite pally and idk if i forgot anything or it is what it is

but the damage seems kinda lackluster

im doing somethign around 4-500k crit per smite hit

is that normal or low for smite?

[scenic gyro]

depends on your cast speed, on single hit yea its good, if you hit once every minute, no its not good

what are the variables

[woeful storm]

something around 150% cast speed

[scenic gyro]

link your build or smth

[woeful storm]

just mana stacking with devotion and wand + scales setup

nothing out of the ordinary i guess

[junior wren]

are you fire smite or lightning smite? do you have the %more dmg to ignited passive?

[woeful storm]

light

and yes

[junior wren]

for lightning smite, it's primary flat spell, %pen and missing mana that can boost dmg

[woeful storm]

are there any other flat source i could be missing?

[junior wren]

if you're critting 500k you're doing pretty good

[woeful storm]

im on 1500 mana with a crystal wand

so the + flat should be around 360-400 or something

[junior wren]

as pally you have an option to wear a shield and spec the passives that give flat spelldmg

but that might hurt your crit

[woeful storm]

yup it's pretty bad

[alpine canopy]

That might be worth changing in S2, since electrify will scale with crit multi

[woeful storm]

hmm i guess it is what it is

just want to make sure im not completely missing something

[junior wren]

well, after flat spelldmg and pen, it's cast speed and crit multi

armor shred, shock, lightning shred

and that's about it

[clever hazel]

hybrid crit/electrify might be worth it for javelin, since you can get +5% crit from a forge guard passive, I doubt hybrid will be worth it for multistrike though

too many affixes required to get decent crit

obviously every electrify build will get crit multi though, that passive is too strong to ignore even at 0% crit chance

[junior wren]

that's what the passive in smite tree is for 😄

or this https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/IIwBhA4WBmMSA

[clever hazel]

it's just math, nothing is free lol, you're always giving something up to get crit

and that sceptre base is pretty close to impossible to get right now

[gusty abyss]

scorn sceptre in the current game is pure copium.

[clever hazel]

dread was complaining about it a few days ago, he thinks it's bugged

it never upgraded for him after like 170 kills or something absurd

[gusty abyss]

I mean, its really low odds to even get your desired weapon to show up

13 different weapons, shows up maybe 1 in 5. Those odds are already not in your favor

[clever hazel]

yup, needs some adjustments if EHG actually expects people to use those and not just look at them on LEtools

[gusty abyss]

I would not be surprised if the woven tree adds them to as a loot drop from something, maybe just straight up from harbinger kills

[alpine canopy]

Losing 5% crit chance when you stack a decent amount of crit multi might hurt you more than you can benefit from having those gloves on

[clever hazel]

if you're building entirely around electrify, not really

I have no armor shred and no flat damage

[alpine canopy]

Depends on what stuff is available for your build

[scenic gyro]

scorn sceptre is like 3lp wings, nice to dream of

[alpine canopy]

I think Tu'rani is likely to want to go hybrid

[junior wren]

if you're doing a pure dot build, then consider firestarter torch and consider fissure in smite tree

[clever hazel]

tu'rani will yeah

because that build gets so much free crit and flat damage even when building electrify

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it can be built either way on live, with the changes in S2 we should be able to do both pretty decently

[clever hazel]

I like fissure but it's so mana hungry lol

[gusty abyss]

problem with hybrid, is that elemental damage over time is the strongest increase affix that does nothing for hit, while increased crit chance does nothing for dots.

[clever hazel]

multistrike smite runs pretty lean in terms of mana, since all of the smite procs cost mana

it's a balancing act

[scenic gyro]

well we get crit multi electrify scaling no

[junior wren]

you can have affix or Time and Faith to compensate. very balancing-friendly with passive respecs

[clever hazel]

there isn't an affix for multistrike IIRC, it's just time and faith

and maybe judgement if you press that every 4 seconds

[junior wren]

oh right, the affix is for Vengeance not multi

[alpine canopy]

Ele DOT doesn't roll on spears anyway, so you won't miss much of it

[clever hazel]

I'm using a -5 cost wand and time and faith, works fine but it's definitely cutting it close

the mana changes to judgement will probably help, amusingly

[alpine canopy]

To maintain MS with bladestorm, it might be best to use the mountain boots. Wands and sceptres have kinda slow attack speed

[clever hazel]

eh, I'd probably go for the free smite at 0 mana node before that

[alpine canopy]

Especially if you're going pure electrify, no need for the flat

[clever hazel]

and just deal with being stuck at 0 mana with multistrike spiking me back up every few seconds

[alpine canopy]

Not sure how well that'll work, you need mana for bladestorm

[clever hazel]

multistrike can consume armament stacks to give itself mana

will need to do testing to see what works best

[alpine canopy]

It's not a ton of mana and it also hits your dps

idk if it's worth it

[junior wren]

bladestorm costs 3 per blade, 3 is the usual amount, so 9 mana per attack, time and faith is 10 mana per attack, should sustain itself right?

[clever hazel]

you have smite costs on top of that is the thing, I guess you could give up the +5 cost node but oof

[junior wren]

Im counting your 0 mana cost smite 🙂

[alpine canopy]

Depends on order of operations, maybe

[clever hazel]

judgement adds +5 to multistrike mana generation btw

[alpine canopy]

The smites can bring you negative a little

[junior wren]

time and faith says "on use", but I didn't test how that works if multistrike consumes mana aswell

I would guess that 1) check if user has mana -> 2) if mana is OK, use skill -> 3) skill was used, give user mana back

[alpine canopy]

True, forgot about that

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, the order is more a question of when bladestorm eats mana vs. when smite does

Time and faith probably gives mana first, hopefully

[junior wren]

if he uses the 0 out of mana cost passive, then it shouldn't be a problem either way

[alpine canopy]

But if bladestorm does each blade + smite sequentially, you'll hit 0 mana before going through all armament stacks and lose hits

[junior wren]

hm, yeah it depends on the order. time and faith is +10 on use, but one use can cost more than 10 mana depending on the amount of bladestorm and smites.
smite costs 8 - 5 (wand) = 3
bladestorm costs 3
multistrike costs 0

[clever hazel]

you can get 5 smites per multistrike, so it'll probably be necessary to just have smite actually cost 0, not pretend 0 cost

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that's why I advocate for the boots. Just brings smite to 0 cost and doesn't jank your weapon slot.

Not to mention the 0 cost for smite at 0 mana takes significant point cost

[clever hazel]

I don't really like losing the movement speed tbh lol, I'd rather just have smite hit less targets

the AoE is already super overkill with electrify

[alpine canopy]

Lunge is pretty quick, and I don't like losing attack speed

Not sure which will be better in the end tbh

[clever hazel]

it's actually wild how many different ways this build has to potentially scale AoE

3 different options in smite, holy winds in healing hands, and even potentially holy auras melee thing

oh and multistrike has something too technically lol

on kill swords spawn more swords

[junior wren]

it depends on if bladestorm will consume mana all at once like a single skill use does OR if it will consume mana in order like Father said
If it's all at once, then the "0 out of mana smite cost" does nothing, you'll simply go into negative mana
if it's sequential then for example at 5 mana remaining

1. bladestorm 3 -> smite costs 0 -> you're at 2 mana
2. bladestorm won't happen because not enough mana = dps loss on bosses

[analog quartz]

Anyone know how hammerdin builds feel on a controller? Started walking while I play and trying to decide between warpath vk or hammerdin for season 2

[alpine canopy]

Those two builds should be pretty similar to play, no aiming needed on either. Disclaimer that I haven't played LE on controller though.

[turbid dome]

Orbiting should feel basically the same as warpath as you don’t really aim

Just walk at things while the vortex of damage around you smacks them

[junior wren]

speaking of orbiting, season 2 brings autocast to devouring orb right? so one more buttonless build

[analog quartz]

Sweet. Sounds like I might be building either a bleed or smite hammerdin build for season 2 then!

[alpine canopy]

Yes, can run it on numlock already of course

[junior wren]

I can, but the controller guy can't 😄

[waxen nymph]

Its a bit annoying though, the stutter step

[alpine canopy]

Tape is not against ToS

[alpine canopy]

Yeah very much so, the auto cast will be a big improvement

[junior wren]

wait, it will still stutter step no?

[alpine canopy]

Not the auto proc from the tree

Plus, it always feels nicer to not rely on using numlock

[junior wren]

oh then that's even better

[tribal basin]

Guys , does Void Smite still scales with Attunement instead of Vitality if i take the Renouncement node ?

Is there a Bug that is known ?

[waxen nymph]

And I dont think there is a bug, at least I dont know any

[tribal basin]

I can read thanks , i just wonder because it feels sort of off with the damage

[waxen nymph]

Maybe swapping made you loose a bunch of Inc Dmg

[turbid dome]

void smite gets half scaling if we considers +2 flat dmg (vitality scaling on every other void spell) and 4% increased damage (standard stat scaling for skills) to be the same

[waxen nymph]

You dont get Increased Dmg

[turbid dome]

yea

its converted to flat

[scenic gyro]

your new mod tag kinda lookin cute ngl

[alpine canopy]

+1 is roughly equivalent to 5% inc damage on standard base damage skills. The void spells that get +2 have double base damage, so it's equivalent - the effect is that your added damage from other sources is kinda half as valuable for the +2 per vit spells.

I say roughly equivalent to 5% only because the availability of flat is vastly different to availability of increases

[covert phoenix]

did I miss something about smite? Why would it costs 8 mana?

everyone is going unbalanced scale?

[alpine canopy]

The lightning node that makes it hit additional targets

[covert phoenix]

it send a lightning bolt, not getting the scaling from smite itself

I mean, I can understand why it can be used in some case, but I fail to see why it would be an auto include

[alpine canopy]

No, it does get smite's scaling since it's a subskill

[covert phoenix]

it's not a subskill, it's a mage lightning blast

[alpine canopy]

It's an auto include for most smite builds, but most prominently lightning crit and all flavors of DOT ailment other than ignite

[alpine canopy]

It is a subskill of smite in this case

idk if LE has the wrong skill linked or if it really is technically the mage spell modified for use here, but doesn't change the result

[covert phoenix]

subskills really need to be cleaned up, because the inconsistencies are crazy

the primalist lightning bolts are all linked to gathering storm

[wicked monolith]

Pretty sure if you hold alt in game it says it's primalist storm bolt lol

[covert phoenix]

and therefore don't scale from the main tree

yeah, letools links to the mage skill, in game it's the primalist skill

[alpine canopy]

lol well that's new-ish

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, that was an intentional change. All the lightning bolts used to be subskills (actually there was like 3 different versions with varying base damage/effectiveness, it was a mess), and they were all made to be unified in hopes we could actually make use of them a little better this way.

[covert phoenix]

Ok, but it meant tree scaling was completely removed

for instance, tornado swarmblade lost a lot of multipliers

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, they are now all subskills of gathering storm rather than subskills of whatever skill procs them

And yeah it was a negative in some cases

[covert phoenix]

storm orb is a subskill which is not even in the case of storm bolt with another tree, and doesn't scale with tornado

I really don't get how subskills are handled in the game

it really feel arbitrary

[alpine canopy]

Usually, when it says it doesn't scale with other nodes on the tree, that's code for "this is not a subskill". I remember hearing storm orb actually is one though and that tooltip is wrong.

[alpine canopy]

It is definitely one thing the game and tooltips do not explain well.

[covert phoenix]

I mean, if the tooltips are outright lying about it, it's worse haha

[alpine canopy]

It's honestly probably the mechanic in game with the most tooltip problems. Also doesn't have a game guide page.

[junior wren]

yeah LE literally links to the mage spell. LE has a lot of weird stuff like this.

[waxen nymph]

My profile Picture ?

[scenic gyro]

i wouldnt go that far

[waxen nymph]

Oh! You meant the bee ?

[scenic gyro]

aye

[alpine canopy]

Wait, why don't we have Orobeess?

[robust lake]

[tribal basin]

So i lose the % scaling from the base that it would normally have means the +4% per attunement dont get converted over to +4% per Vit

[alpine canopy]

Right, you only have +1 per Vit after taking that node and the void convert

[turbid dome]

good to know, I always forget what %increase = 1 flat

[pearl geyser]

ugh i need more teasers

[spring pollen]

Should get some with the Friday stream tomorrow I hope

[tropic grotto]

So my understanding is that the %more vengeance damage will not boost iron blades. Is that correct?

[winter copper]

that is indeed not correct

[alpine canopy]

Was that a change they said was coming? As vengeance works currently, it would not affect iron blade (and probably not riposte, either)

[winter copper]

Arent they changing that subskills will work properly in 1.2 with conversions and modifers? Maybe i misunderstood mike

[winter copper]

also on the topic of current state of IB

its a bug that was supposed to be fixed and they didnt fix it

even tho they said its fixed

💀

[harsh nova]

lightning dev orb where tho 🫣

is there anyway to add flat lightning to dev orb atm

[alpine canopy]

Oh, wonderful 😁

[alpine canopy]

Yes, the lightning invoker rings and an assortment of weapons grant it. Overall it's not much though.

Should still benefit from the pally lightning DOT multi though lol

[harsh nova]

just need something to start it off with really

mage's scale necrotic with just +15 base on that wand for instance

[pearl geyser]

this works with smite if smite is converted to lightning?

[turbid dome]

yeah that makes it a lightning skill

[alpine canopy]

Mages have some busted scaling to make that useful, maybe the new dorb will be crazy too who knows

[merry dove]

why does a 2h weapon have block chance stats, when you cant wield a 2h and a shield to my knwoledge

[tropic grotto]

They're adding a new perk for forgeguard exclusively where they can hold a two-handed weapon in one hand and a shield in the other.

[merry dove]

ahhh

that makes a lotta sense

im interested if it would be in the first half of the passive tree for FG

cuz Id be running that passive with lightning javelin paladin for sure

[winter copper]

no

[merry dove]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

absolutely missed opportunity

[turbid dome]

You don’t need a shield to block

[merry dove]

how come

im new to sentinel, only played mage/rogue so far

so Im not aware of the intricacies

but to my knowledge all the nodes that work with block and block stat is gated behind wielding a shield ?

[turbid dome]

You can get block from the passive tree and on skills without needing a shield

Good luck getting to 100% block chance and a good amount of block effectiveness without a shield tho

[merry dove]

hmm I see

[covert phoenix]

There is no mechanic state behind wearing an item

items are just giving stats, they don't enable anything

[merry dove]

brother

[covert phoenix]

unlike poe, for instance

[merry dove]

you know that you are incorrect right

[covert phoenix]

???

[merry dove]

shield rush

for example

[covert phoenix]

the only one I can think of is when a skill is asking for a specific setup

which is different from enabling a mechanic

[turbid dome]

Even then just take the node that says you don’t need a shield

Skills are the main thing that will require a certain item type to use

Mechanics like block/parry do not require certain items to benefit from

[covert phoenix]

and I would still say it's not items which enable skills use, but skills which restricts themselves, as the restriction is on the skill and not on items

[turbid dome]

Fair

[granite cradle]

What kind of VK would this work best with? (No humble brag, never played vk)

[junior wren]

it's a spear so no VC, and it has %inc void, so the only options are Erasing Strike or Warpath

but I'm afraid apathy's maw beats it

[granite cradle]

argh here i was thinking it was a nice weapon

[waxen nymph]

It's nice, I would slam this on a Dragon Tongue Spear

[granite cradle]

`time ot find out what a dragon tongue spear is

[granite cradle]

Just so I understand, the void affix is bad because there is no flat +void damage and I need to use a skill that has a convert to void node. right?

[polar spire]

how many bets smite fissures are still broken too

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDsGYFYCYg

Tldr : ton of Flat, attack speed, a bit of Flat Crit and since it's a Spear you can take the 5 pts in FG for extra Flat Crit

If you manage to land IAS and Inc Dmg on it, you got an amazing Rive Weapons (for 1.2 because then Rive will have a full Void Conversion)

[junior wren]

correct. Using it as food for legendary like Pvt.Vlad suggested is also an option, attack speed is a very good slam affix.

note that the flat physical melee on Plague Dragon won't be converted to void even after 1.2 comes out and Rive gets a Void conversion

[alpine canopy]

Could save it for that new vengeance spear if you play legacy

There's also that silly void spear for VO

[waxen nymph]

Oh ! Forgot the affix on the spear is Flat Phys !

[junior wren]

So I spent 2 mil gold to convert my divine bolts from caster into a melee variant and it feels pretty good.

ran out of favor, so I'll continue later today. Still many upgrades to buy, Wing Guards, a good Sigils ring, a good relic

I was looking for a video to compare, but looks like there's no melee divine bolters 👀

[lunar hazel]

I guess most people want to scale the damage of bolts and trigger skill with same stats. Is the benefit you get that you have more success stacking attack speed than cast speed?

[junior wren]

you scale both with % increased healing

[lunar hazel]

So which flat are you using?

[junior wren]

the benefits are slightly higher attack speed yes, but mainly I can make use of judgement rather than smite as the boss killer, which doesn't have any synergy with % inc healing.

there's also a synergy with holy aura's flame burst (also a spell)

and manually using HH and hitting procs another HH, so I get 135% healing compared to 100% with caster variant

[lunar hazel]

I agree that there isn't much reference material from others. You'll be a pioneer and research the options 1 gear slot at a time. 🙂

[junior wren]

another one, relic slot affix +X to judgement has % inc healing as the secondary bonus, providing +flat, while my previous +X to smite has % inc spell dmg, I'm not sure which one is better when you already have 600% or higher inc damage 🤷‍♂️ maybe i'll test it at some point later 😄

but %inc healing will give me more healing/ward too, so that's probably better

[prisma hollow]

Anyone tried making a build with Aberroth's Command?

Void Cleave is obvious, but I don't want to just make it like another autobomber

For now, I have 4 other skills set up that helped me push to at least 226c: Abyssal Echoes, Healing Hands, Smite, and Anomaly

[junior wren]

I remember someone used it with warpath

[prisma hollow]

warpath is giving me mana issues

Directly casting smite solves that

[lunar hazel]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/builds/filter/language=en&item=UAzAcGYFZKA

[junior wren]

yes, many sentinels do that, we have a spender skill that eats our mana and a recharger skill that gives it back

void cleave is a melee skill, so with Aberroth's as the goal I would look at Rive or Vengeance. Rive is supposed to get a Void conversion in 1.2

[prisma hollow]

Ah these builds still use volatile reversal. I'm attempting to make a build without it since season 2 is coming up

[junior wren]

you don't need volatile reversal

[lunar hazel]

They haven't really shown enough detail to confidently say all the missing damage has been made available elsewhere, IMO.

[prisma hollow]

Just gotta wait for the patch notes, if and when they do

[lunar hazel]

Just assume the old builds have enough damage to clear without volatile and wait to find out options for single target, probably.

[junior wren]

I meant that you don't need to use the current 1.1 Volatile Reversal 🙂

it's just a damage buff and maybe attack/cast speed buff

replace it with anomaly for example

[prisma hollow]

Yep that's what I'm doing

along with the buff increase from abysall echoes (even though i'm technically not using a melee skill besides void cleave)

If I end up using another melee skill besides just casting smite, I don't want to use warpath. Maybe Rive

[junior wren]

well, smite and HH is tied to cast speed, whereas most other skills are tied to attack speed

you can probably do a hybrid style build that scales both, using bonuses from anomaly, the sentinel passive for sword/axe and buffs like Frenzy, but then you'll hit the same problem with spell damage vs. melee damage

[prisma hollow]

this is mainly all dot damage I'm doing. not even crit

[junior wren]

you're doing dot damage with smite?

[prisma hollow]

I'm abusing the abyssal decay mechanic from abyssal echoes with it, yes

amazing single target damage

[waxen nymph]

Void Dot Hammer Throw is really good with that sceptre

[prisma hollow]

helps apply other dots like time rot, doom, and future strike

also EHG should update the wording and include a tool tip for future strike imo. The fact that it stacks is huge

It might not seem like much, but it actually adds a lot more damage to dot from the testing I've done

But I think a lot of people sleep on abyssal echoes as a single target skill. If you allocate it to not chain, but have it pop off its initial hit 5 times and have its decay spread, it shreds boss health bars

helps clear too

[junior wren]

I've never tried Abyssal Decay x5, but it doesn't seem very good on paper. I think it might be just smite doing the work for you 😄

it's an ailment with limit of 1, in a bossfight there's often no targets to spread it to, so what is the benefit for single target?

[prisma hollow]

You're popping off the decay in full at least 5 times, and you're constantly applying it with void cleave

its good in mono clears

[junior wren]

ah, so you meant it's good for mono clearing, not single target

[alpine canopy]

I ran Abby's command in 1.1, it was fun

Basically I ran it as a void spell DOT build. Primary clearing was ravenous aura, abyssal echoes for single target.

Basically for S2 I'd just swap VR out for dorb since dorb is getting a spell DOT component

[alpine canopy]

AE is the best void spell DOT single target we have afaik

[alpine canopy]

To answer this question, abyssal decay pops all of its damage instantly when the target is hit. So you just need to pop each stack before the next repeat casts and you get the full damage of all 5 casts in a pretty short timeframe

[prisma hollow]

That

[alpine canopy]

There will be a few other options in S2 as well. In 1.1 I used warpath to enable the big more multiplier in VC and also for the extra flat damage while spinning, but vengeance and/or multistrike might be good options (both will have VC multipliers)

[prisma hollow]

Also

I accidentally learned that you can stack two abyssal echoes on top of each other

so you can pop off 10 times

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, procs don't interact with the cooldown, so you can direct cast and also proc from VC. The trick is staggering them enough so you can still pop each stack before the next repeat goes off

Which warpath is pretty good at thanks to its pretty fast default hit rate

[prisma hollow]

I have enough cast speed to do that with smite

[alpine canopy]

I don't scale any attack or cast speed on mine since other than popping AE I don't need it

Not sure how it might play out in S2 though, lots of changes coming

[prisma hollow]

cast speed is 60% with anomaly, which is enough

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZMMkLjQ

[crude matrix]

Void Knight, Level 87

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (32) / Void Knight (63) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 3,232, Regen: 125.59/s
▸ Mana: 185.94, Regen: 9.04/s
▸ Ward Retention: 8%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 51 Str / 2 Dex / 2 Int / 7 Att / 46 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 62% / 98% / 112% / 86% / 80% / 59%
▸ EHP: 6,140 / 5,433 / 6,140 / 8,327 / 6,577 / 6,577 / 5,293

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 646
▸ Armor Mitigation: 54% (3,339)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 35%

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire / Spell, Melee, DoT

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Smite (25)
• Abyssal Echoes (21)
• Anomaly (24)

Used unique items:

• Decayed Skull
• Aberroth's Command
• Palarus's Sacred Light
• Advent of the Erased
• Siphon of Anguish
• Siphon of Anguish
• Code of an Erased Sentinel

[alpine canopy]

Highly recommend investing in damage nodes on VC to improve your rav aura

[prisma hollow]

Really?

[alpine canopy]

Those two just to the left are easy grabs (one even gives area, too)

I also take the warpath one since it's like 80% more damage, but that would mean you have to use warpath

[prisma hollow]

So it directly increases ravaging aura?

[alpine canopy]

Yes

[prisma hollow]

They should fix the tool tip then

its the same

[alpine canopy]

And since they are "more" multipliers, they are super strong

Yeah, tooltips for subskills generally do not reflect any points from your spec tree, but rav aura is a subskill of VC, so it inherits all applicable modifiers, including those generic damage nodes, the area increase, and its attribute scaling

So rav aura also gets 4% increased damage per str and per vit, just like VC

[wicked monolith]

Seriously? That's wild, I didn't know that

[prisma hollow]

Insane the difference it mad

*made

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it also makes it a weird void spell. Most get flat damage per vit only, but rav aura gets inc damage instead lol

[junior wren]

that's great for slightly bypassing the limit of 1 ailment, but how's the damage? LETools says it has +2 void spell dmg per VIT, and there's vorpal reverberation passive for up to +50, base damage is 120. So at 90 VIT, it has base damage of 180 + 50 + 120 = 350 ?

[prisma hollow]

Increasing your dot damage and getting void pen helps

Because you're dealing your dot damage all at once per tick

[alpine canopy]

I don't remember the effectiveness of added damage on it off the top of my head. Maybe 300%? So multiply the 50 and 180 by 3 and that should be the total flat damage if I guessed the dmg eff right lol

[prisma hollow]

and if you somehow get increased abyssal decay duration, maybe that increases potential dmg output too?

[junior wren]

okay, LETools doesn't show effectiveness 😄

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, pretty sure the alt text says it, but unfortunately that can only be seen in game

[prisma hollow]

This

[alpine canopy]

Yes, you can get duration both from the spec tree and from idols

[prisma hollow]

The only downside to my build is the fact that all of my crit avoid is coming from blind

[alpine canopy]

And duration is a multiplier on its total damage

[prisma hollow]

Which I'm constantly applying with smite and abyssal echoes

[alpine canopy]

Usually as sentinel, I aim to get a leonine helm and that covers your crit protection well enough on its own, then blind gives you full protection against bosses and other dangerous targets

[wicked monolith]

Interesting. Do ele conversions have any affect on sub skills?

[junior wren]

so yeah now it makes a lot more sense 😄

[alpine canopy]

Ah, 305% of course

[alpine canopy]

That's a case by case basis. A lot of the times yes, but not always. Rav aura is one that does not convert.

[wicked monolith]

That's a shame. I would have tried fire conversion with a Sceptre and warpath

[junior wren]

I always thought of Abyssal Decay as a support skill, turns out it's as awesome as Consecrated Ground

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, if it could go fire it would be epic to stack with judgment aura

[turbid dome]

Ye

[prisma hollow]

I'll make a video soon to showcase how it works

[alpine canopy]

We can dream, maybe someday they'll make the conversion work

[junior wren]

btw., Fragility says "Abyssal Decay is no longer consumed", but I'm assuming it means it no longer deals all its damage after you hit the target

[prisma hollow]

Thats why I don't take that fragility node. You want to remove it on hit to deal the damage all at once

10 pops = huge damage

[junior wren]

so abyssal decay duration is basically a % more multiplier, since you're instantly detonating the damage of a full duration abyssal decay

interesting

[prisma hollow]

theoretically yes. I haven't tested it yet

[alpine canopy]

Yeah

[prisma hollow]

Yeah increased abyssal decay duration adds so much more damage

currently sitting at 75% inc duration, which is 10.5 seconds

got my reduced crit dmg bonuses capped too

[turbid dome]

abyssal decay detonating does what future strike wishes it could do

[smoky shoal]

Just want to compare notes. I was messing with dual palarus swords and warpath. It seems more smite procs happen with 2 vs 1. Both swords are 43% chance on hit. So I'm wondering if I'm right that 2 swords hits more smites or not

Oh and I'm not trying to make a build this way. It was for leveling and science

[alpine canopy]

The % chances add together, but the smites per second limit is shared

[smoky shoal]

Is it? The secondary chance smites are shared too?

[scenic gyro]

yes and yes

chances stack, limitations are shared

[smoky shoal]

Lame. I guess it does technically seem like more because the %chance is higher if they're stacked

[scenic gyro]

you can work around it with more attack speed and you dont need to use 2

but for lvling its whatever anyways

[smoky shoal]

Yeah I was just messing around. I'll probably swap 1 for the ignite scepter.

Just messing about making plans for next cycle

[scenic gyro]

its a fun build if you dont want to press any keys at all

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, with 2 it's more consistent and you don't need as much attack speed for single targets to hit the limit

But just 1 is usually fine

[smoky shoal]

For leveling? Yeah lunge and spin until getting to mono's lol

[scenic gyro]

for everything in fact, unless you want 3k+corruption

[smoky shoal]

My current smite build on my paladin I use three keys consistently lol. I try to keep it to that if I'm holding my kid while playing

[scenic gyro]

you can just numlock warpath and afk, just move your mouse to navigate

[smoky shoal]

Yeah? I didn't know that lol

I just rebound R,E to my mouse buttons

If i had more buttons I'd literally never use the keyboard lol

[scenic gyro]

interesting, normaly you would want to take some stress away from the mouse hand

since arpgs are very click intensive

[smoky shoal]

True but I have a toddler that likes to sit in my lap while I play. So I gotta keep one hand free to prevent the random keyboard smashing lol

[scenic gyro]

teach em early is what i would say, so you have both hands free and they farm for you

gotta think ahead

[smoky shoal]

Lol

[turbid dome]

Get a second cheap decoy keyboard so they can “play” with you

[smoky shoal]

He's too smart. He figured that out within 2mins. This is kid #4. I've tried all the tricks. This kid is too smart for his own good

[turbid dome]

Darn

[alpine canopy]

Time for his own, run coop

[turbid dome]

[wise moss]

Are there different variants of warpath?

Like hit vs dot vs idk some other kind of mechanic

[alpine canopy]

Yeah. Crit, bleed, spell procs, probably some others

[junior wren]

Warrior's Fury aka. spin to spin more 😄

[wise moss]

And are there any other low APM sentinel builds? Or is warpath the way to go?

[junior wren]

judgement aura? once every 7 seconds you recast aura and only walk

holy trail javelin is kinda low apm too right?

[alpine canopy]

Hammerdin ones can be also

[turbid dome]

Once worldsplitter erasing strike gets going you just hold down attack and walk forward

[wise moss]

Gotcha I'm new and will look into all of these, ty!!

[lunar hazel]

Nah, if you have to clear an area with ranged mobs standing scattered around then it's not.

[junior wren]

okay, one click to reposition and one click to throw again

[scenic gyro]

what do we think about a phys forgeguard warpath with horns of uhkeiros and leviathan carver

might work with the ramping mana cost node

[alpine canopy]

Why horns?

[scenic gyro]

to get the damage boost, and compensate

[junior wren]

I think leviathan is kinda meh

[scenic gyro]

its a massive stat stick

[junior wren]

my stat stick of choice is plague dragon or apathy's maw

[alpine canopy]

It would just make that worse by increasing the penalty

[junior wren]

and yes, horns has %increased mana cost. It's like gate staff

[scenic gyro]

yea but the 50% mana cost inc wont effect channeling cost right? warpath has a initial cost as well

[alpine canopy]

It does increase the channel cost

[scenic gyro]

godamit

would have been a nice oversight

i never managed to make phys warpath work in moderate/high corruption for some reason

[junior wren]

what was the problem?

[scenic gyro]

scaling dmg

[junior wren]

so you were tanky enough, but the clear was too slow?

[scenic gyro]

aye

[wise moss]

Forgeguards are able to warpath too? I thought it was paladin only

[junior wren]

warpath is for any sentinel

[waxen nymph]

I always wanted to try with DW Sword and Mace

Like a katana and a doom star

[winged pulsar]

I like warpath 🙂

[junior wren]

looks like every FG with warpath build on LE does minions. lemme put something together real quick

[waxen nymph]

I really don't like Warpath for minions generation

[scenic gyro]

well i can already tell you, in its current iteration pure phys warpath is not a thing

but maybe there is some sick 2h shield stuff that boosts it a bit

[winged pulsar]

I might be coming back for 1.2. Will explore all the warpath options.