🔱┃sentinel

[turbid dome]

There’s a bunch of things pinned and given an entire sentinel rework is one of the main things of the update you don’t get to end that on a sad …

This isn’t GGG with melee

[inland quarry]

actually ehg had always been in line with ggg when it comes to melee

[turbid dome]

I’m going to respectfully disagree on that one

Sentinel was/is just mid because it was one of the first classes finished

[clever hazel]

Volatile Reversal always struck me as an odd skill. Massive damage multiplier, particularly for DoT, then you look through all the other skill trees and its like 50% more damage! (hit only, no stinky damage over time allowed) 🤔

[winter copper]

guy has 500 crit multi in build from gear and takes 50% crit multi on tree for 2 nodes instead of 50% more dmg for 2 nodes

[winter copper]

meanwhile nobody mentions anomaly that gives 100% more dmg to both dots and hits, but only for void dmg

😏

[turbid dome]

That involves using anomaly for something that isn’t time bubble buffs so it can stay

[winter copper]

kekw

[gusty abyss]

I have, hope it also gets nuked. Otherwise it is at least VK only.

[junior wren]

that one at least provides some benefit. I'm more concerned about the 3/3 Hastened Cataclysm + Shattered Continuity.

[turbid dome]

I’m assuming this is with world splitter for infinite es bonk, hastened cataclysm raises the mana cost so more flat crit chance from world splitter

3 points in it is a lil sus cause you’d need a lot more max mana to sustain infinite es bonk

[junior wren]

yeah WS makes sense. I see 1129 mana on the screenshot

[waxen nymph]

@woven temple mind telling me more about Hammer Mana generation

[woven temple]

aint no secret, spec hammer of want and the standard spiral stuff, run into a pack of mobs -> get like 300 mana back per cast

problem is it's much less effective on bosses

they should add a clause that would double or triple the return on hits against bosses

[waxen nymph]

But it gives it a 5 sec cd

That's awful

[woven temple]

yes but also compare it to such turds like mana strike, 4 sec cooldown for an even lesser mana return

ggg hate mana regen

[waxen nymph]

But you could do Vengeance

[woven temple]

yes but that's the healthy person's choice

[waxen nymph]

I don't see a situation where I would use Hammer Throw

[woven temple]

also it depends on both aspeed and having the affix

hammer throw eats up a skill slot but it doesn't depend on much of anything other than the target count

as I said it's big meme overall

[inland quarry]

will smite ever be allowed to have the aoe tag?

[waxen nymph]

Doesn't that count?

[gusty abyss]

Its descend that does AOE damage and descend does not have the AoE tag either.

[turbid dome]

Is throwing 500 hammers to trigger smite count as AOE smite

[clever hazel]

not really given that the throwing idol has a cap of 10 smites per 2 seconds

[turbid dome]

Fair enough

[clever hazel]

smite can do decent AoE with Unbalanced Scale + 3/3 Wandering Bolts, you hit 7 targets maximum per Smite cast

can still be a bit annoying when swarms of smaller mobs show up though unless you have some sort of uncapped AoE skill also going off

[turbid dome]

Or do void wizard and use anomaly, abyssal echos and dorb for your aoe

Gonna do the auto cast spinny dorbs + hollow dorb turret

In 1.2

[gusty abyss]

There is gonna be so much choice with auto dorb, IF everything stays relatively the same

Now if they dare a fire conversion ^^

[waxen nymph]

I miss the old uncapped idols
Where you would lunge into a pack with your orbiting hammers and you game will lag because of how many Smite you would procc

[turbid dome]

[woven temple]

fire abyssal balls, still better than, you know, fireball

[turbid dome]

Forb 👍

[tropic grotto]

Do we know how "woven offerings" work?

[turbid dome]

Yo Roblox mentioned

[waxen nymph]

Offer a identical unique with at least the same amount of lp/WW to reroll the values on the "main " unique
Like a Divine Orb in Poe

[woven temple]

to reroll implicits* on the unique

also I think it's possible to reroll a legendary this way

[waxen nymph]

Is it only the implicits?

[woven temple]

I mean if it works on leggy, it won't reroll the affixes

[waxen nymph]

I think the Unique Affixes too

But not the leg affixes

[woven temple]

at least that's what I gathered from the stream

[waxen nymph]

That would be my guess

[woven temple]

yea

[iron basin]

it's not the implicits, it rerolls the whole item outside of the LP amount

they said it's the same as using a divine in PoE. just rerolls all values on the item

[alpine canopy]

If it's exactly the same as a divine, it won't roll implicits

[vivid talon]

PoE2 divine does implicits though, so which divine did Mike mean??? 🤣

[alpine canopy]

It does explicits, blessed does implicits

er wait, PoE2 one is different? lol

I didn't play PoE 2 enough to find that out 😂

[vivid talon]

yeah PoE2 has no blessed and divine does both

[alpine canopy]

Makes sense, gotta make sure crafting is not accessible

[woven temple]

there is no crafting in poe2

[rancid lantern]

To be fair it does, but all the real crafting tools are obnoxiously rare

[small veldt]

There is, but it's RNG galore

[clever hazel]

gambling is not crafting lol, if you're just hoping something good happens with basically zero control over it you're not crafting

or phrased another way, if the "crafting" you're doing doesn't provide any way to minimize bad outcomes, it's a slot machine not a crafting system

[small veldt]

Some crafting items give control

But by standard you have zero correct

[clever hazel]

99% of the time in PoE 2 you're just picking up items and slamming random affixes onto those items hoping something good happens, the only real crafting available is like.. essences and omens

omens are insanely expensive and most of the time they don't even help, lol

[turbid dome]

Cause they reduce rng

I so do love hitting the affix I want but it’s the worst version possible of it

[small veldt]

It just feels like the affix/suffix pool is so small in PoE2 vs Last epoch

[turbid dome]

Charm slots 👍

I’m happy LE does just potion slots from the belt

[small veldt]

The main RNG in LE is really how lucky/unlucky you are when rolling upgrades and rerolling/removing

But you can lock affixes/suffixes you want to keep so there's that

So it's pretty difficult to brick an item proper

[turbid dome]

Ye

[eager turret]

shield rush into the stairs 🙂

[waxen nymph]

Classic ^^

[gloomy mason]

Possible forge guard javelin?

[winter copper]

soon on april 2nd

[smoky shoal]

It's been a hot minute since I played. Did they ever make warpath and HH work together?

[waxen nymph]

Won't happen

[smoky shoal]

They should

[waxen nymph]

That would be beyond broken

Or they would have to nerf the procc rate

And then it would suck for every other melee skill

[smoky shoal]

Meh. vk's can one tap an entire screen. Mages can delete bosses in seconds. Warlocks can basically never die. Avalanche can proc upheaval and maelstrom. And rogues are rogues. I don't really see how it would break anything

[waxen nymph]

It's not because every one else is doing bat shit crazy think that we should follow

Imo, it's better to bring back everyone back on earth

[smoky shoal]

I don't know. I think if you invest the time to be super powerful. You should be super powerful. I'd like to be able to proc HH and smite with warpath as a paladin for the clear speed and be able to keep constant damage on boss fights while dodge mechanics

With the ward gain nerf on HH I think it would be more about damage than just face tanking everything like before

[waxen nymph]

There is a difference in "super powerful "
Being able to tank 8k corruption, or os Abberoth is too powerful imo.
Doing 1k top, and kill Abberoth in about a minute seems much more reasonable to me

[woven temple]

busted builds on other classes should be nerfed as well

[obtuse night]

i just want divine fury javelin to be good

[waxen nymph]

It will work with Siège Barrage next patch

Surely it will be good

[noble copper]

anywhere we can preview the new sentinel or paladin passive nodes?

[obtuse night]

javazon my beloved

[smoky shoal]

Someone did 8k corruption? Damn

[waxen nymph]

There a few teasers pinned

[waxen nymph]

Saw some Warlock shenanigans

I saw a Lich at 4k yesterday

And a Sorc at 5k

[noble copper]

Awesome where would I find those?

[obtuse night]

siege barrage aint it

its not the same

[smoky shoal]

I did 1000 on my machine gun smite paladin and thought I was good lol.

[waxen nymph]

In the pinned comments of this channel

[waxen nymph]

It's already amazing

That's the problem

[turbid dome]

If your on mobile you tap the channels name in the upper left -> then go to the pinned tab

[waxen nymph]

1kish should be the top notch imo

[obtuse night]

surely they wont rework divine fury into another useless iteration right?

[turbid dome]

Everything in sentinel has a much bigger power budget now that VR isn’t like 100% more dmg

[noble copper]

Thank you!

[waxen nymph]

We know nothing for Divine Fury but we know you can combine it with Siège Barrage

Throw 3 spears down and they will split on hit

[obtuse night]

the targeting is completely different tho

besides, siege barrage builds already exist

[turbid dome]

I’m happy things only convert once in LE

[obtuse night]

kinda boring though aint it?

[turbid dome]

On one hand yes, on the other hand it allows for individual convert effects to be stronger and more frequent

Cause the devs don’t need to worry about making a loop

See the new vk passive and Orian’s eye amulet

[obtuse night]

doubled edged sword i guess

[waxen nymph]

But then Divine Fury already exist too, it just severely lack single dmg since spears don't shotgun

[turbid dome]

Yeah no crazy immune to most dmg type things like in poe

[smoky shoal]

I don't begrudge players who are able to push that high. They probably invest alot of time into doing that. I just think other builds should be able to do it too without the ceiling if enough time and energy go into it. I don't know if HH, smite, warpath build if possible would be able to push that high. But I'd like to have the option to try you know?

[obtuse night]

HUH

you mean like

d2?

[turbid dome]

What you mean huh

Converting all incoming damage to a single type is like peak poe1 defense rn

[obtuse night]

oh i thought u meant like

dealing damage

[turbid dome]

Ohh

That’s also a thing in poe1 too tho cause of how converting works there

But the biggest defensive boost is taking all physical dmg as ele dmg

[obtuse night]

you are correct

[turbid dome]

I do hope the sentinel convert x dmg to phys gets better this update

[obtuse night]

i was just thinking about damage (dealing) conversions and how boring they are in LE

you kinda just pick an element that aligns mostly with your other skills for the sole reason of scaling them all on the same dmg type

[turbid dome]

On sentinel yeah

[obtuse night]

It'd but just as boring in POE too if not for ailments tbh

[turbid dome]

The one build I did that cared about skill type was Draven’s triple dot thing

Beyond this is the damage I do so I want the dmg type to match

I wish memorize invoke runemaster was better than the focus on a single invoke runemaster

As having a lot of convert options for that is fun

[obtuse night]

havent actually tried runemaster yet

[turbid dome]

It’s very fun

Just a lil sad that the “memorize 40 spell combo” style is weaker than “use the box relic and spam that one invoke” style

[obtuse night]

what can ya do

[turbid dome]

Make a giga dot build with the new weaver spear

gotta get that clean 384% * 3 increased dot damage and that 200% * 3 ignite chance

[obtuse night]

siege barrage I SLEEP

divine fury or riot

won't know for a few weeks though

maybe it'll work the other way around or something

like.. throw a javelin and it splits into falling spears 🤔

[turbid dome]

Tbh the new weaver spear might be a lil silly with that

Wait no that spear needs melee hits I think

[waxen nymph]

The new Vengeance Spear

[gloomy mason]

Any patch notes so far:

[obtuse night]

anyone got a link to the spear? or a screenshot perhaps

astral project it to me

[waxen nymph]

Did you get them?

Sound like no

There you go then

[spring pollen]

The phalanx spear is not too high level, hopefully means will be easy to get some 2-3LP on it... 🙂

[obtuse night]

Hmm

[waxen nymph]

Javelin on Riposte

Not sure how I feel about it

[spring pollen]

You can riposte up to 3 times from one vengeance hit no? That could be spicy

[waxen nymph]

But you need to be hit to Riposte

So clear might be fine

Single Target will suck

[uneven gorge]

It doesn't seem like there's a cooldown on it, which is spicy. I can imagine running into a swarm of mobs and exploding in a flurry of 100 javelins with enough attack speed. Would be really interesting to see

[spring pollen]

Good point. Will have to see if any skill changes can get around this

do triggered skills cost mana? I forget lol

[waxen nymph]

It's a weird case

Most of the time no

[spring pollen]

wonder if it would trigger the nodes that make javelins rain from the sky......

Do you know if a triggered skill has a cooldown, does bypass the cooldown? Or still procs only when cooldown is off?

[woven temple]

depends on the position of mars in cancer

same as above each individual effect can act in whatever way they decide to code it

some bypass the cooldown while others dont

some set the skill on cooldown while others dont

gotta guess

[spring pollen]

🙂 Ok cool. I guess will find out shorly after April 2 if i can get the spear to drop

[alpine canopy]

Almost always ignores cooldown

It would say if it didn't. Of course, could say mana consumption and cooldown stuff in the alt text

If we get a way to get riposte stacks while using jav, it could be interesting

[spring pollen]

Ok interesting. One more thing to be excited about trying in a few weeks time

[scenic gyro]

btw im gonna loose my shit if we still have more dmg taken while dual wiedling

[lucid ruin]

I know that it was probably asked gorillion times and I know that it probably will change in 1.2, but what is best leveling for void knight?

Hammer throw?

[spring pollen]

electrifiy for pallys getting buffs/support

[turbid dome]

Holy

A lil anti synergy but let’s go

[woven temple]

the two arent connected in any way, in fact I'm pretty sure both are beyond the chain in their respective classes

[turbid dome]

Nah I meant just within the vk time rot node

You get more dmg from attack speed but since time rot caps at 12 you really don’t need much attack speed

<- wants to do a pure void dot build

[gloomy mason]

Anyway to make smite auto cast with javelin? With the flag node.

.

[woven temple]

its less of antisynergy and more a way to leverage stats that would otherwise be dead for more profit

[gloomy mason]

?##

[waxen nymph]

??

[gusty abyss]

POG, VR is indeed a teleport

[winter copper]

ok we are doomed

[gusty abyss]

Getting some real Syndra from LoL vibes here

[turbid dome]

Fair

[gusty abyss]

sigils are now just full auto cast 😄

[woven temple]

shh dont spoil I'm 2 min behind live cause of lag

[tropic grotto]

I wonder how they'll change Orion's seal with the new "symbols of hope" change

Since the sigils are self generated

[gloomy mason]

Yes, besided using that skill

trying to make a javelin build without the Battle standard but dunno what other skills may help here as javelin doesnt have much synergy with others

[waxen nymph]

You have Smite on Throwing Hit idols

[bold horizon]

karv is now my favorite dev

[gusty abyss]

We are going to have to take a lot of screenshots later, so many new nodes he moused over for a split second xD

[tropic grotto]

So true

[winter copper]

sigils look so good

but they murdered my baby VR

looks giga clunky

😦

[gusty abyss]

yeah, seems to have a cast animation

but it is a teleport, so goes over lagon beam

[gloomy mason]

thanks

[wide ivy]

Javelogin

[turbid dome]

oh god, each thing on rot grip is its own multiplier

[gusty abyss]

It has to be, going from 12 to 24 does not keep up with 1k stackable ailment.

[turbid dome]

yea

[woeful storm]

without something still not shown that allow you to pop rot instantly, i dont think that's even enough

[tribal basin]

did i hear that right , they cap the amount of Mana Judgement can consume ?

[winter copper]

24?

did they mention smth regarding that?

👀

[gusty abyss]

No, I mean if you manage to get 100% multi, that is like going from 12 to 24

[winter copper]

oh

[gusty abyss]

Instead, it is like going from 12 to 96

ofcourse, we can probably go quite abit higher than 100

[woeful storm]

still need alot more than that to actually be a DPS ailment

[turbid dome]

yo confirmed that manifest armor has feelings

[tropic grotto]

tsundere manifest armor

[turbid dome]

😊

[tribal basin]

I called mine Manni the manifested Armor

[scenic gyro]

jinxed it

[smoky shoal]

Wait was there a dev stream?

[scenic gyro]

interview on ghazzys channel

[smoky shoal]

Any juicy sentinel info?

[scenic gyro]

all the info

[smoky shoal]

I better watch it then

[scenic gyro]

we got a brief run down of most skill changes with some showcases

[waxen nymph]

Symbols of Hope instead of Sigils

[scenic gyro]

not sure how i feel about it tbh, sounds like holy aura, press button to get buff
but we'll see if there is more interesting stuff happening with it

[waxen nymph]

Void Vengeance! 👀👀

I know I am late to the party but I was in the car

[bold horizon]

they showed so much with random hovers, but you need to go frame by frame to see a lot of it

[waxen nymph]

Iron Blades makes Forged Weapons!

[uneven gorge]

Fire Vengeance 👀

[tribal basin]

Im just wondering how much this will also change Judgement

[scenic gyro]

maybe rf is back on the menu

[uneven gorge]

They did, 25% max, but better scaling

[waxen nymph]

https://imgur.com/a/03-14-interview-leaks-F0F60ri

[scenic gyro]

mvp

vr for frenzy and movement now, pog 😄

[woven temple]

lol@the revert of pious offering nerfs

[scenic gyro]

it was pretty heavy handed

[woven temple]

still not back to 1:3 though, I hope there is more juice for the build

judgment aura is probably even more dead in the water though

[scenic gyro]

maybe the void aura thing is viable now with timerot changes

[uneven gorge]

Currently it's 100% mana for 1% more damage per 2 mana. So 1000 mana will give you 500% more damage. The change is 2% more damage per 1 mana, capped at 25%. So with 1000 mana you'll get... also 500% more damage. You're getting the same about of damage for less mana cost, it's a buff.

[scenic gyro]

have you tried mana stacking on sentinel, does that work well

[uneven gorge]

I have, and I agree, it sucks, but this is still a buff

Hopefully it get more 🫡

[winter copper]

the most interesting node on reveal

[turbid dome]

I’m wondering how this works with hollow orb

And the turret dorb node

[winter copper]

this one caps out at 8 orbs, will be insane for applying time rot

use vr to carrry orbs around untill u reach 8 robs

then cast one to consume them

boom

[turbid dome]

Can’t vr only make dorbs younger once

[winter copper]

the only issue is how that orb will apply 12 time rot stacks after

[spring pollen]

Wasn’t there already a node that made shields from RoS cause fire damage?

[winter copper]

yes but u can have 20 orbs

with younger node

[turbid dome]

Fair enough

[winter copper]

yes

[turbid dome]

Is future strike still going to be in the game

[spring pollen]

VR basically lunge now? 🙃

[turbid dome]

lunge can probably go farther

[tribal basin]

Thanks for the maths and recap of that

[spring pollen]

I may not be understanding the skill but would it still reset you hp and mana you think?

[turbid dome]

wont entirely know till we can play it but from my understanding VR lets you tp somewhere then recast it to tp back, lunge is just zoooom to a target

[tribal basin]

but now i wonder if Urgent inquistions +40 cost is before or after the cap of 25% is applied

[turbid dome]

buut that means lunge makes you eat dmg (unless you spend 5 points on being immune during it) like if your going through a lagon beam

buuuttt lunge lets you giga zoom through zones

[winter copper]

worse lunge, idk we need the details, but the showcase looked awful, karv had almost 0.5-1sec delay every time he pressed button before portaling

[turbid dome]

wait like hit button -> 1 second later -> tp?

[winter copper]

i mean have u seen the clip of him doing

it wasnt 1 second, but noticeable

[spring pollen]

Well if it loses the ability to reset the hp and mana it will be a big loss, both mechanically and thematic

[turbid dome]

I missed that on the stream

[clever hazel]

that's a crazy take tbh, it has a cast animation like everything else

and it's an actual teleport that doesn't require a target, with a very short cooldown

[iron basin]

big disagree. if that's something that gets lost mechanically then the game is better for it. it's mechanically parasitic and a big reason as to why it was so core to the gameplay of sentinel for the longest time

[spring pollen]

Yes I see your point. Balance wise it could be a good thing. But I was thinking more about how it was a unique skill. Probably one of the more innovative skills Ive seen in an Arpg for a long time with an actual “time travel” mechanic. If it just becomes a teleport then it becomes more meh. But again, I see your point on balance

[iron basin]

anomaly has a lot of those time travel things in it still

[spring pollen]

Yes good point

[urban phoenix]

Oh shit, they talked about the spiders.

not minions unfortunately

but super strong

[alpine canopy]

Posting here since I haven't seen anyone post yet. Screen caps from when Karv was mousing over his inventory for the fellow time rot enjoyers:

All his items are perfectly rolled, so max rolls are shown
No changes to the amulet
FK set bonus 2-part nerfed from 75% -> 50% TR pen
Sword haste on hit chance upped 15% -> 25% max
Shield added block chance buffed from 14% -> 21% max

[urban phoenix]

Spiders ailment was 5% base crit taken per stack, 4 stacks, if i heard correctly.

[inland quarry]

so the phantom grip rings bugs has been fixed. this means that the forged weapons no longer benefit from doom and sulron's steps right?

[alpine canopy]

Curious to see the VC phys conversion

[alpine canopy]

They won't get any benefits from your boots, but they do get the benefits of the doom debuff if it's applied from something

[spring pollen]

I love void cleave so much so maybe phys would be good for my FG builds

[alpine canopy]

VR looks great, but it'll be hard for anything to match VC in terms of feels, love it

[spring pollen]

Mike commented that they are improving the feel of a lot of the melee skills to. Like SFX, enemy reactions, etc. So that could be really nice.

[iron basin]

not base crit, additive crit like acid skin

[urban phoenix]

Ah gotcha

[lusty patrol]

does anyone have the link to the revealed nodes from sentinel? i saw perry had one on his stream ill go check his vod for it if it got linked in chat if no

[iron basin]

the only passive node they revealed was the lightning damage over time one iirc

and the time rot node

https://imgur.com/a/teasers-from-ghazzy-interview-6Rs9TAh

[lusty patrol]

tyty

[iron basin]

that phys conversion thing is actually in game already. no clue what causes it though

snipped from my game right now

[alpine canopy]

Ah, boo, didn't remember seeing that before. Hopefully that is a bug introduced in the engine update for an upcoming phys conversion...

[tropic grotto]

I wonder what they'll do with this now 🤔

[clever hazel]

I'm sad it sounds like we aren't gonna get a lightning skill tag for healing hands

[alpine canopy]

Could stay the same

[halcyon yoke]

just change sigils to symbols and it works

[vernal frigate]

this node plus this shield

holy..

[woven temple]

phys converted Void Cleave: Cleave

[lucid ruin]

Renaming sigils to symbols is for 1.3 when skill sigils will be introduced

[robust lake]

we still want orians for duration tho?

[scenic gyro]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[robust lake]

mhm

[waxen nymph]

https://youtu.be/ObJXv5Wv_ok

Javelin at 6.05

[spring pollen]

Sounds like there is also forge weapon buffs coming. Oh yeeaah 🙂

[plain latch]

here is the 3rd item

[unreal quartz]

which bug was that?

[robust lake]

ring was giving stats from like all gear instead of gloves only iirc

[covert phoenix]

do we know how bladestorm is going to work with echoed warfare, hallowed arsenal, and both?

[teal olive]

They said that fixing the ring would be a big buff to forge guard minions. You make ot sound like a norf

[clever hazel]

no they didn't, they said they:

• fixed the bug with phantom grip
• gave forged weapons a "flat, pretty big buff, both to damage and defense"
  and "if you were one of those people with a really crazy setup with the bugged ring, you probably got nerfed a bit; but for everyone else, forged weapons are better"

fixing the ring on its own was definitely not a buff 🤣

from here: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2405466808?t=6h19m42s

[teal olive]

Oh thx I see thx

Got my heart set on minions for start. Between the forge minions and single bear companion

[spring pollen]

I’m curious what they did for smelters wrath and forge strike. They did not give details but said they were buffed

[robust lake]

its in the nature of bugs and exploits to provide unintended advantage so... kinda yeah?

[lusty patrol]

so i got the impression that the set shards would make your exalted item count as part of the set...not give you all the stats on the old set item. that could have been an insane assumption but thats just how i took it not that its adding more stats like its a "legendary exalted item"

[analog steppe]

yeah that was my impression as well

and I'm not sure but it also sounded like you could put the set shards onto an item with a champion affix

[lusty patrol]

yeah i think thats the payoff to not running full legendary items, being able to combined sets and champion affixes

its gonna make farming endgame exalted items a gigantic pain in the ass for whatever slot has the champion affix you need but thats really cool

[waxen nymph]

Once they become part of the set they CANNOT be slammed

[spring pollen]

So for set affixes we would ideally want a champions item+exalted with an open affix slot for the set shard, right?

[waxen nymph]

Depends I guess

Maybe the Set Shard isn't too great but you want the Set Bonus

So you would Seal the set Affix

And get a regular affix

[spring pollen]

Oh cool you can seal them

Given the amount of crafting that will be going on for those items then..... is there a way to get higher FP items? Is it just the level of the zones they drop?

[waxen nymph]

It's the tier of the affixes on the item that determines the amount of fp

[waxen nymph]

Yes they are almost like regular affixes

Only thing, they turn the item into a set item, ineligible for Slamming

[spring pollen]

Right so i guess you could optimize which slots for legendaries and others for set/champion/exalt combinations depending on build

[alpine canopy]

Exalted items that drop in a level 100 zone with 3 or 4 affixes on them have the highest LP, followed by 1 or 2 affix ones, then rares

the rng on getting an exalted drop from a champ with the right base, usable exalt, and right champ affix sounds so wild, that you probably won't care how many affixes or how much FP it has, you just gotta shoot your shot and pray 😅

[waxen nymph]

Technically, white items can have the most fp

[alpine canopy]

granted the new runes help a bit

[alpine canopy]

The max they can have is 32, magics is 28, rares 44, 1-2 affix exalts 50, 3-4 affix exalts 56

[waxen nymph]

Mike said on stream they have a very low chance to drop with a lot of FP, making them technically the type of items that can reach the highest hp

[alpine canopy]

rares and exalts are affected by area level

[alpine canopy]

It this a new thing?

[waxen nymph]

Actually it was during Dread and Perry's podcast

[waxen nymph]

Don't know

[alpine canopy]

The numbers I got came from Holly, I don't think she's ever wrong, but that was 2.5 years ago

[waxen nymph]

I dunna ken
(like my Scottish friends would say)

[lusty patrol]

i dont think you are going to have to seal i think your item is just going to become green and have the set bonuses at the bottom. thats my interpretation of the teasers at least

[waxen nymph]

You don't have to seal but you can

The set shard will give you
1 affix
And 1'part of the set bonus

So you can seal the set Affix

If you want

[uneven gorge]

Yeah, an example given was adding the lightning conversion for metoer to a staff

[analog steppe]

do we know if the affix given is fixed per set item or if it can be any of the set items affixes?

[waxen nymph]

Each item set will have a specific set shard

[merry axle]

I hunted it down. Here is where they source it to Mike - need to jump ahead about 30 seconds to Dread reading his reply. https://www.youtube.com/live/f_e5FOViWt4?si=ruowUjwZT8wQ3hIp&t=4688

[alpine canopy]

what the

I hope if Mike isn't wrong, then they are adding FP to the loot filter

or something, because white items randomly dropping with over 56 FP is probably something people would want to see

[spring pollen]

No FP added to loot filter for S2 according to Mike. Hopefully that gets added later on tho

[spring pollen]

Was there something about iron blade and forge weapons? Trying to find that part of the interview

[floral sand]

Yeah there was some about nodes about turning iron blades into forge weapons and some general buffs for Iron blades but not sure about specifics

[solemn harbor]

So, I think I finally have a wishlist in mind for our Rework.
I'd like to see 2h/Shield moved to the base tree, or just a default part of our setup. To offset it, either as a default part of the kit, or in the base Sentinel tree, then it should have a -25% Attack Speed because big bonk stick should be a Sentinel thing.
For Paladin, I think we're mostly in a good place, it fulfills the tanky frontline type mentality, although I think our skills could use more fire/lightning themed damage. And to possibly have Healing Hands moved further up the Paladin tree to make it so that Rive HH isn't the default build for every Mastery at early game.
For VK, I think it should be moved into a more void thematic, big bonk stick slams that do corruption damage and just ruin things.
I honestly haven't played FK since pre-1.0, so I'm not super familiar with it these days, but last I heard it was mostly around summoning and if that's still true, I think it should move into a fire direction. I understand wanting to have multiple playstyles for each base class, and while being a Firey War Commander could work, it's not like the Mastery is entirely geared towards that.

[covert phoenix]

2H/shield shouldn't be a due given to all sentinels, which would be the case if it was moved in the main tree

"Hum, I have the choice between 2H and the benefit of a shield, or DW two weapons, lacking a shield and taking more damage on top of that"

[serene bough]

If i wanted to use eternal eclipse to juice the damage on a void cleave with over 500 flat would i use warpath as my main skill because it counts as one attack i can war path until the buff is up then cleave then go back to warpathing right?

[woven temple]

For Paladin, I think we're mostly in a good place, it fulfills the tanky frontline type mentality
But it's a single player game, what "frontline" are you talking about? Every character is its own frontline.

Otherwise paladin's issue had always been easy access to low value defensive stats like resists and block stats, and low to no access to high value defensive stats like DR layers. We still have to see whether or not this is meaningfully changed.

And to possibly have Healing Hands moved further up the Paladin tree to make it so that Rive HH isn't the default build for every Mastery at early game
This is an indicator of a very common problem in LE where a skill is better when triggered by another skill then when used directly, which in my mind should never happen but clearly the developers have their own "vision" on which they forgot to consult me. Doesnt make it a better design though.

For VK, I think it should be moved into a more void thematic, big bonk stick slams that do corruption damage and just ruin things.
VK has too much chronomancer on crack and no enough actual knight. I very much doubt that this is changing from what we are seeing so far. It should be split into an actual knight class and a void mage class. Thematically it's a mess.

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, % chance for iron blades to be forged weapons instead

can't remember the %, it was less than 100%

[woven temple]

I mean thematically it should probably be a primalist skill, ooga booga me strong but exceptionally dumb so ima use a weapon in a way that it was very intentionally not designed towards. Neither of the sentinel subclasses strike me thematically as being a fitting place for this kind of effect. It's just splash from other games where this sort of thing is found on warrior classes, mainly WOW, and people identifying sentinel as "warrior"

[lusty patrol]

my counterpoint to that VK statement is that the echo mechanic is one of the coolest archetypes ive seen in an rpg and its one of my favorite things in the game. theres enough bonking going on in the genre, the echo mechanic is a very unique thing

[woven temple]

And spears tbh should just be a form of 1h weapons

with increased attack range as their gimmick

[woven temple]

cool but VK has literally one skill out of 5 that is a big melee bonk

and 4 skills that are void and/or time magic fuc kery

and not even skills that look like something that a sort of a magical knight class would use

[covert phoenix]

the void melee bonks are coming from base skills conversions

like void rive, void warpath, etc

[lusty patrol]

and im saying that the void/time magic part is the more interesting part of the kit

[woven temple]

sure I mean it's all opinion based, I would love to have void and time magic on an actual mage class, and something more fitting for a melee martial artist on VK

[covert phoenix]

honestly

void knight is probably the most catered mastery in the game and it's not even close

it's the only mastery in the game about void damage

and you have void items absolutely EVERYWHERE

it's absolutely crazy

[woven temple]

it's "catered" in the same way as spellblade is "catered", since it requires a lot of specific dev attention to even basically function, given that it has little synergy with the rest of its class

although SB is even worse in this regard

also it's the only void themed class which is also a problem in a game where void is a major theme

like there are 5 elemental classes in the game but only one with some semblance of void support and one with major focus on necrotic

while for the game at large void and necrotic are 2/3rd of its themes

[alpine canopy]

I think they really just wanted the spear + shield aesthetic to be sentinel. Also it does synergize a lot with FG's kit.

[woven temple]

with void being by far the most dominant

[woven temple]

and dual wielding two staves synergizes a lot with the sorc kit and is also cool, meanwhile I don't see them rushing to implement it

[covert phoenix]

???

[uneven gorge]

Wat is bro yapping about

[covert phoenix]

DW staves is just moronic, who said it was cool

[woven temple]

I'm saying that "its cool" is only a reasonable justification as long as the developers make something that you personally consider cool

[woven temple]

bro you ever seen a skier? It's only moronic to you

[covert phoenix]

...

baits used to be believable

[woven temple]

also any reasonable mage should hold the staff like a gun, why would you point your magical conduit AWAY from your target, are you dumb?

[alpine canopy]

I don't know what that has to do with my comment?

[woven temple]

I'm saying that rule of cool is a subjective justification, tis all

[clever hazel]

designing things based on themes is not the same as the "rule of cool" at all

bad faith argument

EHG makes a lot of void uniques because there's a lot of void enemies in the game and it's thematically appropriate

[woven temple]

Holding 2h weapons with one hand is not a theme, it's a literal meme

[alpine canopy]

Of course it's subjective, but that seemed kinda irrelevant to the conversation

anyway

[uneven gorge]

Who's gonna be playing jav? 👀

[covert phoenix]

That's subjective. Yes, if we are taking an average human in a non-magic world, using a 2H weapon in one hand is stupid

but imagine that, it's a fantasy world

[clever hazel]

I'm on the fence about javelin, I'm hoping smite + healing hands is good but I'm waiting to see skill tree changes tbh so I can compare with javelin + smite

[covert phoenix]

D3 said "this paladin was empowered by his god and wield divine might, so 2H + shield you go"

[woven temple]

then why isn't everybody running upside down? It's a fantasy world after all. Also, a one-handed weapon for a superpowerful individual would still not look like a normal 2h weapon just because of balance and not leveraging said strength in an optimal way, but why do I even bother..

[covert phoenix]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

you are welcome

[clever hazel]

freakishly strong warrior types wielding ridiculous weapons in one hand is a classic, and forge guard is a great fit for that in LE considering how strength based they are

[woven temple]

yeah, exactly. Dumb crap like this is draining my suspension of disbelief at an accelerated rate

[covert phoenix]

wow

seriously

You have people throwing fireballs around

but you draw the line at swinging around heavier swords

[clever hazel]

one of the other sentinel masteries literally uses time travel mid-combat as a fighting style, someone using a big weapon is way less absurd

[covert phoenix]

hell, the whole plot is about time traveling

[alpine canopy]

It's definitely one of the opinions of all time

[woven temple]

I would say that you are really trying to be dense, but I've seen this argument many thousands of times so at least you are not alone here. Alright, let me explain it, again. Fireball is entirely magical so I don't have many problems with it. Implausible weapon wielding technique is taking a realistic element and then trying to modify it with appeal to magic in a way that is not logical, not efficient, and not consistent with how the magic works in general in most given settings.

[turbid dome]

magic steroids?

[covert phoenix]

"He has magically enhanced might"

done

[alpine canopy]

It's how magic works in LE, literally all your skills, weapons, armor, etc. are magic

[woven temple]

so why is he using it in such a dumb way?

[turbid dome]

idk about primalist, but sentinel worked the forges in his backstory. Smiths historically had more brute strength than say a knight, but lacked in other physical areas

your gotta get strong sitting there and hammering metal all day

if anyone historically was gonna use something like leviathan carver I'd call a smith

[woven temple]

Also if you claim that sentinel is trained at arms, he should realize that having more strength to use a larger weapon improperly is silly. Having him do this erodes suspension of disbelief because it undermines his competence in-universe.

[uneven gorge]

The real reason is the devs are souls players and strength mains, obviously :)

[covert phoenix]

in which way does he use his weapon "improperly"?

[alpine canopy]

Clearly the sentinel holds it upside down when one-handing it, and hits enemies with the handle end

[turbid dome]

define larger weapon in this context, like a zweihander or like a giant comically big club

[covert phoenix]

I would say being able to use a 2H weapon with a single hand with no loss of efficiency is the very opposite of "dumb" or "silly" or "improperly"

[turbid dome]

tbf there is a downside to forgemasters might that we don't know yet

[runic path]

maybe some of us should go outside

[woven temple]

try using a polearm with one hand and you'll quickly come to the conclusion that its main benefit is leverage which you cannot really utilize with one hand no matter how strong you are, because using it requires grasping the pole in two different spots, it's basic mechanics and geometry, no amount of magic is going to fix it

a 2-handed sword is also a polearm in this context

[runic path]

yup some of us def need to go outside

[alpine canopy]

Pretty sure the mage literally doesn't even touch his weapons when he swings them... I think magic can handle it

[covert phoenix]

no, it's not, in this context, it's just a bigger longsword, that's the whole point

[turbid dome]

maybe forgemaster uses the magic/skill of that person whose talked about on phantom grip when he's onehanding a twohander

[woven temple]

the proportions between blade length and arm length for longswords and zweihanders are not remotely close

[uneven gorge]

I'm surprised this is the hill you're dying on, considering one of the main skills of sentinel is T posing and helicoptering to do damage

[covert phoenix]

as for polearm not being able to be used with one hand, I think mounted knights in middle age would love to be explained how they have to put down their shield and use their spear with 2 hands instead

[turbid dome]

this feels like its entering the dungeons and dragons debate of realistic martials vs fantasy casters

[clever hazel]

The key point you're missing here when analyzing the issues with balance and leverage when attempting to use 2H weapons one handed is, these are MAGICAL weapons. Literally all of these issues can be solved via magic, meaning it really is just a matter of strength. If I'm throwing a giant magical spear or a tiny one, the details don't matter; either way it's teleporting back to my hand after I throw it. Or alternatively, if I'm spinning in a circle like a lunatic.. I'm sure you can use your imagination here.

[turbid dome]

martial fighters need to be constrained by physics/irl logic, while a wizard is breaking reality

[turbid dome]

makes sense to me,

vk has void boi power

paladin has divine power

forge guard is simply built different/customizes his weapons to do it

if we really got to force logic on it

[covert phoenix]

Honestly

D4 did a lot of things wrong

but the barbarian fantasy was on point

[turbid dome]

yea

[clever hazel]

Sentinels are not martial warriors, they're holy warriors decked out in magical equipment, using magical techniques, with their supernatural physique.

[turbid dome]

barb in d4 is goated

[covert phoenix]

despite the fact 2x2H and 2x1H on the same character is not remotely realistic

[uneven gorge]

Forge guard has muscle magic (performance enhancing drugs)

[turbid dome]

yea thats part of my point

[runic path]

Sentinels have magic underwear like mormons, that's how we 1h a 2h weapon

easy

[turbid dome]

makes sense

[covert phoenix]

I mean

he has 12 animated weapons around

he could have another one in his hands while he is posturing

[clever hazel]

Like FFS, half of Forge Guards kit literally involves fighting alongside magically animated weapons and armor.

[turbid dome]

yea

the other half is just being built different

I love forge guards theme

[clever hazel]

gigachad mastery class tbh

[runic path]

Can't wait till we jump forward in time and we all get to be cyborgs with lazer swords

[turbid dome]

cyborg already does that on spellblade

[runic path]

it all comes full circle I see

[winter copper]

who else starting 2h JIGACHAD sentinel with no block?

[runic path]

you had me at 2h gigachad

[winter copper]

yes no need to hide behind a shield

thats so 1.1

[uneven gorge]

Our pecs shall be our shield 🗣️ 🗣️

[lusty patrol]

when the devs nerf defenses...stop using them

[turbid dome]

I’m tempted to do a shield vk with the forgotten knights shield + new convert ele to void passive

Just take like no void dmg

[winter copper]

i timerot is good enough the set will be bis

[turbid dome]

Ye that’s my plan already

Ima void dot gang

[winter copper]

and probably consume orb will be the best way to apply it, if they add more multipliers on its tree besides consume

[turbid dome]

I do hope there’s more ways to apply future strike too

[alpine canopy]

I'm really torn between time rot, VR, and beefy FG

[turbid dome]

Or like any way to get more future strike chance

[turbid dome]

Do all 3

[alpine canopy]

oh yeah, and electrify

[clever hazel]

I've spent an unreasonable amount of time thinking about electrify

I need patch notes

[winter copper]

u can do all of that besides last two letters

😏

[runic path]

Lightning Pally does sound amazing

looked incredible

[winter copper]

idk abt whole electrify

need to see skill changes

[runic path]

it was implied that it'd be good but yeah - patch notes me please

trust but verify

[clever hazel]

if electrify isn't good I'm going to riot

[winter copper]

like multistrike/javelin will be good but at the same time why electrify on them if u can go crit

do we know if electrify node in bottom part of pala

or top?

[lusty patrol]

LOL

[winter copper]

if its bottom then go FG with bident +javelin+smite idols

gg

[lusty patrol]

and there is no way the javelin lightning setup with electrify isnt op

its like 60% of the changes they made to paladin

[clever hazel]

I specifically want to play electrify, I would like to do smite + healing hands but whether or not that's actually good depends heavily on skill tree changes

[winter copper]

it will be good, cause its already is, question is will it be better than crit

[clever hazel]

javelin is my fallback if smite+hh electrify is scuffed

[lusty patrol]

whats the problem with getting crit with everything else? affix slots?

[winter copper]

wdym?

crit is free(or almost free) if you are fg

[alpine canopy]

It's pally-locked

[winter copper]

rip

[lusty patrol]

thats what i mean you said "will it be better than crit" im just saying that you can probably do both

run electrify and crit

[winter copper]

oh the difference is skill tree nodes

[clever hazel]

if they added a bunch of hybrid crit+electrify stuff maybe

[winter copper]

and affixes for crit u want flat throwing dmg

on like everything

[winter copper]

multistrike+hh+smite will be giga solid and way better than self cast smite imo, as long as u solve mana sustain

[clever hazel]

yeah but then you're playing multistrike

[covert phoenix]

I will probably do a staff VK myself

[winter copper]

i mean nothing wrong with it, it targets whole screen if u have lightning smite with bolts

[clever hazel]

the entire reason I'm interested in it is because smite+hh electrify feels good to play, it just does underwhelming damage right now

[alpine canopy]

MS looks like it will feel very good in S2 tbh

[covert phoenix]

multistrike into bladestorm into +4/+6 swords transformed into smite

[alpine canopy]

it feels good on live for clearing, bladestorm looks like it'll be good on single targets

MS shattered lance is an option

[winter copper]

ye clear is good

especially on lightining

but ill need either give up block or give up aurelis

[clever hazel]

idk maybe I'm just stubborn, the node exists to cast HH on every smite, it should be good, not just ignored and you go for melee instead

[alpine canopy]

with the changes to electrify and nerfs to electrify uniques, it'll probably be possible to drop aurelis

maybe

[winter copper]

well it might be good its just MS cast 5 times more smite with 1 click, so its impossible to overcome that gap

your only benefits are twisted heart and range

[clever hazel]

not impossible, they just need to change the smite tree so casting it directly is less of a meme

[winter copper]

if they make double cast node into 66% to double and 33% to quadro then maybe

idk i just cant see self cast smite being strong dps unless its VK cause you have orbs as supplimentary dmg

dread did self cast electrify in 1.1 or 1.0 i dont remember

like it was good but not crazy damage

[clever hazel]

EHG could easily make it a viable option it's just a question of whether or not they will

if they do I'll play it, if not oh well I'll probably go javelin electrify

[turbid dome]

Oh right multi strike can shotgun in 1.2

[winter copper]

yepp

[serene bough]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oynzdRdA planning on eternal eclipse for my weapon is there any where i can grab easy defense don't care to much about damage

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (11) / Forge Guard (81) / Paladin (1)

General:

▸ Health: 2,010, Regen: 157.52/s
▸ Mana: 132.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 109 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 16 Vit
▸ Resistances: 116% / 165% / 169% / 97% / 68% / 108% / 134%
▸ EHP: 8,014 / 8,014 / 8,014 / 18,759 / 9,744 / 10,163 / 8,014

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 402
▸ Armor Mitigation: 82% (16,730)
▸ Block Chance: 64%, Mitigation: 37% (1,110)

Damage Types:

▸ Void, Fire, Physical / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (23)
• Warpath (21)
• Ring Of Shields (21)
• Volatile Reversal (21)
• Javelin (21)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Decayed Skull
• Bulwark of the Last Abyss

[covert phoenix]

staff bonking is not a meme now!

since you want one in order to scale smite

[scenic gyro]

trade some overcapped res for endurance
1 point in stalwart for extra 3% block, maybe even block suffix on rings
shield with 1-2 lp is reasonable, you can go for some dmg reduction on block or health on block+block chance

[serene bough]

i am using the -30 ele res for mana sustain on warpath and poison you need at 150 prob could drop some fire though

[waxen nymph]

25 pts in

[scenic gyro]

you dont need that to sustain warpath, just get some mana regen from somewhere, you should already be fine with 5 points in unchained

or use the unique ring that gives 75 ele res while channeling, if you insist on using that

not worth sacrificing ALL your suffixes for res

[waxen nymph]

1. If you convert Warpath to Void it will use the Fire Buff of Eternal Eclipse for it

2. 99% sure Vengeance is getting a Void Cleave node, that will be a lot of DR while the cd is down

[serene bough]

I feel fine over capping i once has a monster cute my poison res by 80 so will things like marked, for death, shock, res shred and poison cutting your res by 60 in under a sec because thise tornados stack it to 30+ fast

[serene bough]

yeah but if i channel for 2 sec to get the VC buff it will be back up and can't consume it twice

[waxen nymph]

You can

[scenic gyro]

health/armor stacker without endurance is not what i would go for personally

[waxen nymph]

As soon as the buff is up it will be consumed

[serene bough]

really but its all one attack? why can it trigger the sword twice but not healing hands

[waxen nymph]

And I don't know the node in Vengeance but I believe it will give you around the same More Dmg

[serene bough]

Well if vengance works that will be nice

if vengance works i will drop reversal for healing hands

[waxen nymph]

There is a similar one in Multistrike

[alpine canopy]

It did look like that node was behind the void conversion, hard to tell since the mouse wasn't visible, but if so it would consume one of the eclipse buffs

[waxen nymph]

Oh! Erf

MS or Phys Warpath it is then

I need to study the vod in detail

But I am at my in-laws for the weekend

[serene bough]

MS is not too bad but the clear will be bad if i need all 5 stacks for killing packs

[alpine canopy]

You won't need all the stacks for each mob in a pack

depending on how you build it, it already shotguns a whole pack in the current game, just gets held back by not generating any swords without targets for them

[serene bough]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oRElvnzB ok so i made the swap to MS and re did my res now that i am not running war path

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (20) / Void Knight (10) / Forge Guard (78) / Paladin (5)

General:

▸ Health: 2,030, Regen: 179.36/s
▸ Mana: 132.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 4%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 125 Str / 1 Dex / 1 Int / 6 Att / 18 Vit
▸ Resistances: 123% / 94% / 92% / 103% / 108% / 96% / 124%
▸ EHP: 7,598 / 7,598 / 7,598 / 16,469 / 9,372 / 9,372 / 7,598

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 476
▸ Armor Mitigation: 80% (12,325)
▸ Block Chance: 17%, Mitigation: 33% (819)

Damage Types:

▸ Physical, Fire, Void / Melee, Spell, Throwing

Buffs:

▸ None

Used skills:

• Void Cleave (23)
• Multistrike (21)
• Ring Of Shields (21)
• Healing Hands (21)
• Javelin (21)

Used unique items:

• Code of an Erased Sentinel
• Decayed Skull
• Eternal Eclipse

[scenic gyro]

id probably recommend just outlining how your build wants to work if you want to start theorycrafting
but min maxing stats is rather pointless cause sentinel changes are going to be majorly effecting all of that

[covert phoenix]

My baseline for a smite ignite build: https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QDLWPkEQ

[crude matrix]

Forge Guard, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Sentinel (31) / Forge Guard (67) / Paladin (15)

General:

▸ Health: 2,489, Regen: 48.4/s
▸ Mana: 195.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 56%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 36 Str / 10 Dex / 14 Int / 10 Att / 22 Vit
▸ Resistances: 83% / 66% / 66% / 132% / 86% / 64% / 50%
▸ EHP: 19,296 / 17,703 / 17,703 / 28,524 / 19,296 / 17,384 / 15,437

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 51%, Threshold: 2,307
▸ Dodge Chance: 48% (1809)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 61% (4,609)
▸ Block Chance: 3%, Mitigation: 0% (0)

Damage Types:

▸ Fire, Physical / Spell, Melee

Buffs:

▸ Mountain's Endurance (3/3)

Used skills:

• Multistrike (20)
• Smite (22)
• Sigils Of Hope (20)
• Healing Hands (20)
• Lunge (20)

Used unique items:

• Maehlin's Hubris
• Foot of the Mountain

[covert phoenix]

Around 1.7M dps if the only change is bladestorm, but I don't think it would be worse overall from the rework, unless we get things like smite multiplier nuked from orbit

[winter copper]

1.7 mil sounds giga low

do u mean dps on dummy or mobs

[covert phoenix]

What is the standard if it's gigalow?

[bold condor]

Pretty new to this game! I want to explore a bit of end-game before S2 since I never made it past early monolith. I'm currently following a VK Warpath and I'm still early and find I dont deal damage... I regret swapping from rive since its was actually smoother to single target.

Any tip on scalling dmg for VK Warpath pre apathy maw... I feel like I have 0... struggling monolith lvl 75....

[winter copper]

imo at least 4 on dummy

but its an ignite build so not surprising

few ignite builds do actual dmg

[covert phoenix]

do you have an example of a build doing 4M dps?

[winter copper]

bleed hammers, erasing strike mana stacker, 2h vk warpath, electrify jav(or bleed jav), ignite shield rush

[inland quarry]

bleed hammers don't do 2m dps lol.

[winter copper]

u didnt see its abby kill?

[winter copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hkT1nLlnOY&ab_channel=LastEpochClips herew 24sec kill time

thats way more than 2mil dummy dps

[covert phoenix]

anyway, i'm not sure if we are talking about the same thing, given I was giving the dps calculated from the figures of LEtools. I heard the dummies were lvl 1 and therefore took additional damage, so i'm not sure it's comparable

[winter copper]

thats why i ased if its dummy or mob

😅

[covert phoenix]

I literally said it was based on the new bladestorm

how do you think I could have tested that

[winter copper]

no clue u couldve not tested it at all, just calculte in excel

[winter copper]

also the dummy isnt taking more dmg, its enemies in lvl 100 take 87% less damage, so the real dps is always calculated by dummy *0.13

[river raptor]

I've been rocking a rive/forge strike phys build a bit. Works decently well so far, but can't figure out the best way to focus my weapon upgrades.. Currently using an exalted axe, but would the best phys 2h weapon be the leviathan sword with 1-2 good slams? apathys maw?

Or did I miss something that could be ballers?

Currently at around 200 corruption as I haven't farmed it higher yet for context 🙄

[smoky shoal]

I was messing with vk last night. I've never used void cleave before that. I totally wtb a void cleave build as a main skill lol. Maybe it would be clunky for single target but dang it's fun to bolt across the screen and see packs of stuff turn into purple ashes

[waxen nymph]

Eternal Eclipse 🔥

[smoky shoal]

What's that?

[waxen nymph]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDMCYEZyA

[smoky shoal]

Oh that's cool

Is there a way to remove the cooldown on void cleave? I didn't really look through the whole tree. I was just using it as a traversal skill

[waxen nymph]

No, you can have a couple charges

[smoky shoal]

Damn. I would totally play an off meta build if you could remove the cooldown. That would make playing melee alot more appealing. I used to play flicker strike in poe all the time. But void cleave just feels more fun imo

[river raptor]

Void cleave is baller af. Works wonders with ES too

[turbid dome]

It’s so smooth using vc for movement

Plus stupidly easy access to void shred

[river raptor]

Using a controller - it sometimes kills me though.. As for some reason it can double cast with controllers

But I agree, it feels so good to use

[turbid dome]

🤔 have you submitted that as a bug?

[river raptor]

Think I have, can do it again

[vernal frigate]

damn that weapon is sick

never took a proper look at it

Void Cleave > wait 2s > Erasing Strike > wait 2s, repeat 😎 (copium)

[alpine canopy]

The goal of it for VC is to have VC as a fire and void skill to get both bonuses at once, so you want to just use VC -> wait 2s -> VC -> etc.

[vernal frigate]

yeah lol was kidding 😆

[alpine canopy]

You could of course use ES in the 2s window, but without the buffs from the sword it probably won't do too much

[vernal frigate]

very true

[river raptor]

Done now

[turbid dome]

[vernal frigate]

is anyone planning to play Erasing Strike in the upcoming cycle? I always go CoF and I know ES needs a LOT of uniques and some julrah slams to take off. Was wondering what a good transition build would be, especially now that theres mastery respecs

thinking either Rive, Warpath, new Javelins or something

dr3ad also made a void beam ES solo character found vid which didnt look bad

[spring pollen]

Too early to tell for me. Looks like a lot of possible builds with the upcoming changes

[lusty patrol]

you could always play the devouring orb/volatile reversal build they showed and just hope its good

[alpine canopy]

I might end up playing three sentinels next season, so probably one of them will use erasing strike at some point 😂

[alpine canopy]

Usually I see people play VC -> ES combo until they get the void well set up for bottomless ES

The new void conversion for rive honestly will probably be the way to go for single target, and it can do fine clear thanks to the succ. But you can also use it alongside VC+ES for clear if you want, VC just feels so good. VR might also be a good one.

[turbid dome]

forgotten knight set gang vk time rot dot soup

[winter copper]

vc is good only for abyssal echo auto proc to free up skill slot and also ravaging aura is op for erasing strike

so good mobility+utility

even after void well

after playing es in 1.1 i would say ravaging aura is almost mandatory on high cor

[turbid dome]

I would say guaranteed crit on the next es is good too (for leveling)

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, this is the main reason I mention VC+ES

VC is just always great utility if you have a weapon type that can use it

and it does clear entire packs of weak enemies on its own early on, too, lol

[waxen nymph]

How is Ravaging Aura going for ES?

[spring pollen]

They didn’t show the passive trees yet but sounds like there are quite a few changes too. Max hype

[turbid dome]

A good number of the pinned things are on the tree

[alpine canopy]

Only way I can think of is the health loss on it prevents your leech from ending when you reach full health

[robust lake]

its like 150hp degen at 3k hp pool, can counter it by a couple suffixes or a single blessing

[terse harness]

hmm could holy trail be awesome with new electricity stuff?

[alpine canopy]

Holy trail is not good for electrify, it's a different build entirely with a little bit of synergy just for being an elemental DOT

Oh I read electrify rather than electricity. No clue about holy trail changes in general, we might need to see passive changes

[robust lake]

time to play the LE javazon soon ^^

[alpine canopy]

It'll hopefully be good, but holy trail did lose a 2.8x damage multiplier with VR rework

[waxen nymph]

The node after for Electrify on hit could be really juicy now

Combine it with the Banner

[terse harness]

yeah i meant electrify, mispelled it it seems 😄

[turbid dome]

Each jav from siege barrage is its own hit right

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, I use it in my melee electrify builds, but it's ideal to disable the holy trail by making it into a banner

[lucid ruin]

Javadin*

[robust lake]

banner sustain via smite is insane too

[waxen nymph]

😏😏Too fast for you

[turbid dome]

Hmm I’m now thinking a multi strike dot build with the new spear, trigger a bajillion smites and have that for more dot procs

Cause spears get generic dot and ignite chance

[waxen nymph]

?

You mean the Vengeance Riposte Spear?

[turbid dome]

The weaver spear that triggers spells on melee hit + has triple stats on those triggered spells

I’m on my phone and I don’t have a pic on hand

[waxen nymph]

I don't see the connection between Multistrike and Javelin

[turbid dome]

More hits per second

[waxen nymph]

I know what you mean ❤️

[turbid dome]

Fire and forget jav

On the big enemy then run up and start smacking him

[terse harness]

i guess i go forgeguard

[turbid dome]

[terse harness]

0 knowledge abotu that build so might be fun

[turbid dome]

• armor
• shield + twohander
• minions (optional)
• become a brick

Also great dot support

[waxen nymph]

I am afraid of the draw back on the 2h shield node

Mike made a comment that scared me

[terse harness]

can forgeguard use that new minion unique

[turbid dome]

My assumption is gonna be like 30% less attack speed

[turbid dome]

Send item pic

They wouldn’t be showing it off in the trailer if it was comically bad

[terse harness]

i tried to find pic but couldnt find one

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

I've used aurelis + palarus for MS electrify, works pretty well. Can probably drop one of them with the upcoming changes to have a shield

[terse harness]

that new 2 hander but i cant remember if it was a staff

[turbid dome]

Probably? As long as it has decent melee dmg on it

[waxen nymph]

Oh the WW staff with miniond lvl on it?

[turbid dome]

Given your fg minions use your weapons stats

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, it was a staff

[waxen nymph]

99%'it will be really bad for Forge Weapon

And MA

[turbid dome]

Can’t wait to inflict enemy’s with spiders

🕷️

[terse harness]

afaik forgeguard cant one hand staves

[alpine canopy]

right

I wonder if we'll be able to actually make use of the RoS fire auras in S2

that would be a fun build if so

[waxen nymph]

So hyped for this too

So many things I want to try

[alpine canopy]

Same

Looks even more spicy than 1.0, and I made a lot of characters in that patch lol

[turbid dome]

Yee

[waxen nymph]

You will only need 1 sentinel now 😏😏

[turbid dome]

Nah

Gonna still make like 5 sents

Gotta have my squad of

• VK melee
• VK wizard
• Paladin hammer smite
• forge guard minion gang
• a level 80 sent who isn’t specced into a mastery

[analog steppe]

alts are so fast and now with the new QoL updates in monoliths easier than ever to get rolling

[alpine canopy]

Also related, RoS is actually getting damage scaling with attunement

[turbid dome]

Tbh leveling to 80 in on an unspeced character is a fun challenge

[alpine canopy]

Just for future reference, looks better than the old one (presumably was actual fire aura, 140% eff per second)

[winter copper]

the only point of ravaging aura is infinite leech since it has %current health drain effect

the issue with es is that u bonk and leech so much that it instantly stops

which is bad on high cor, with drain your leech never stops

[winter copper]

no and anyone who believes otherwise is on insane cope, its dot minion spell ....

[woven temple]

depends on how much shotgunning its gonna have

[waxen nymph]

Count me in

[winter copper]

uwere already n1 on cope leaderboard

[turbid dome]

Gonna be weird using a shield on void knight

🤔 I need to find my old idea for void time rot shield throw

[waxen nymph]

I am going the Sentinel leak sequence in slow motion

We lost the Fire portion in Rive

Sad

I just realised , DOrb is now a Void Dot

[turbid dome]

holy

[waxen nymph]

I am going frame by frame trying to catch new nodes

[runic path]

doing hte lords work, I was tempted to do the same

[vivid talon]

ooh, orb/echoes stocks are rising

[spring pollen]

Did the orb have that “casts a void rift whenever something dies nearby” part before?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[spring pollen]

Ok kewl

[waxen nymph]

Orbiting DOrb + Ravaging Aura Oo

Double Void Spell Dot AoE

Void RF !!!

[alpine canopy]

I totally missed that, that's huge

[alpine canopy]

No kidding, rav aura was already great on its own, but it had such little other support skills

[waxen nymph]

40% x XX% of Forge Weapon should be quite decent

We have this

[alpine canopy]

We can hit 100% iron blade chance

[turbid dome]

isn't there also a node that gives +80% chance with attunement investment

[waxen nymph]

And there was a teaser with Iron Blade per Att

Sweet ^^

[turbid dome]

my worry with that is you might be resummoning your forged weapons too quickly

[waxen nymph]

How too quickly ?

What would be the downside ? I guess is a better question

[turbid dome]

100% chance to make an iron blades -> 40% of the time thats a forged weapon -> your attacking too quickly

the forged weapon spawns in -> floats towards enemy -> dies because you summoned more over your cap

[waxen nymph]

But you spawn them when you are on top of enemies

And some are probably lagging behind

No changes it appears to the base Sentinel tree

[turbid dome]

wait right they share your smack range

[turbid dome]

but are the nodes the same...

[waxen nymph]

Thats why I said, no changes

[smoky shoal]

1.0 i was getting apathy maw like every other oreo kill. I've killed oreo from corruption 100 to 250 and nada. RNG hates me

[waxen nymph]

Damn thats Lightning Jav Barrage + Split looks awesome

[turbid dome]

oof

[waxen nymph]

No cd on Shield Throw is amazing

And the Dmg penalty is now only 5%

Instead of 25%

[waxen nymph]

That one is after the 100% More Dmg + 6 sec cd and the extra 4 Ricochets + Can bounce on you

Alright that was all of it I believe

[austere coral]

Do we know the base functionality of new VR?

[waxen nymph]

You tp on your cursor doing a Melee Void Attack

You have 3 sec to click again and be tp back to your starting point doing another Melee Void Attack

[austere coral]

I assume it counts as a traversal skill, right?

[waxen nymph]

Correct

Let me grab you the basic tooltip

[austere coral]

Definitely will look into it, there seems to be potential

[austere coral]

Not for my tentative starter, cuz I plan to start with Lunge Pilum Assault(assuming it's still in), but definitely something to look into later

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, you have the option to reduce its range by like 70% or so to remove the traversal tag, kinda like the opposite of how you can turn VC into traversal

[austere coral]

That's even more interesting

[halcyon yoke]

The part where VR brings your devouring orbs with you kinda sounded like a fun mechanic

[daring lion]

What's looking like the best Forge Wep generator for s2?

[waxen nymph]

Vengeance

Imo

It will give you so much DR

[analog quartz]

Haven't looked at any of the new changes yet but I guess I need to. I always say I'm gonna try a different class/build and always end up starting vk warpath lol

[waxen nymph]

VK is love
VK is life

[turbid dome]

the forgotten knight set being good is insane to me

and not just using the sword in the offhand on a caster build

[winter copper]

check your profile pic again

[waxen nymph]

I like the picture of Paladin more

But I am a purple wizard at heart

If we had a Void Helmet I would have gotten it

[gusty abyss]

So many changes on dorb tree as well

I wonder what that additional node will be for abyssal orb

[waxen nymph]

Look at what you made me do

[winter copper]

that my old pfp

go back to paladin u

😡

[smoky shoal]

Just broke 300 corruption a and oreo still hasn't dropped a effing axe. It doesn't require a certain timeline right?

[waxen nymph]

Nope

[smoky shoal]

Just bad luck then

[waxen nymph]

What faction are you ?

[smoky shoal]

CoF

[waxen nymph]

What rank ?

[smoky shoal]

10? Maybe I stepped outside for a smoke

[waxen nymph]

Damn ! Thats unlucky

Despite the boss drop boost

[smoky shoal]

Yeah in the past I've gotten them all the time. Now I have like 10 rings and 12 belts lol

With atleast 1LP that is. Zero maws

[waxen nymph]

Damn 😦

The belt is quite rare compare to the axe

[smoky shoal]

I know. I'm kinda irritated and happy with the belt luck

[analog steppe]

they aren't horrendously far apart in droprate once you get to the point you can get both of them, maybe 2:1 ratio

[smoky shoal]

I'm just trying to get a maw so I can actually get further on my VK. Even a 0LP would be good at this point lol

[analog steppe]

just gotta remember the desire sensor :P, as soon as you want something the chances of it dropping vanishes >.<

[waxen nymph]

What are you playing ?

[smoky shoal]

I know lol. My paladin farmed for an eterra for ages. As soon as I said F it. I got one randomly with 2LP

[waxen nymph]

Warpath ?

[smoky shoal]

Yeah my VK is.

[daring lion]

This is me but for the letters FG 😄

[waxen nymph]

I love all sentinels

[daring lion]

@waxen nymph yeah man you've been active in this thread since the beginning. I salute you sir!

[waxen nymph]

With the release of 1.2 I will stay here for ever

Here and #🐺┃primalist and my home

[smoky shoal]

I've played paladin pretty exclusively. But I'm bored and was having alot of fun leveling as a VK using dreamthorn for warpath and void cleave. But the damage isn't there for high monos

[waxen nymph]

Too many people in the other Channels

[waxen nymph]

I believe DW is the most Dmg you can get

[daring lion]

So how would FG Minion God look like?

Vengeance, FS, ManiArmor, Ring of Shields, + what?

[waxen nymph]

Way better the Maw

[smoky shoal]

DW?

[waxen nymph]

Vengeance, FS, RoS, Void Cleave, and maybe Sigils ?

[waxen nymph]

Dual Wield

[halcyon yoke]

symbols, not sigils!

[smoky shoal]

Oh

[waxen nymph]

OOF

[daring lion]

😮 no big boi. I can't live without Timmy the Titan tho 😦

[smoky shoal]

A specific weapon for DW void warpath? Or exalted weapons?

[waxen nymph]

I feel like Bob is a build in it self and needs either Shield Throw or smth else with the weird spell base setup

[daring lion]

Nah this is fair, I've come to similar conclusions in my 1.0 days.

I just force him in because I wanted all the possible minions in the build.

[waxen nymph]

Naal Tooths should be amazing

[smoky shoal]

I'll see if I can get a couple and try it out

Ty

[daring lion]

So the question becomes, Void Cleave, Javelin Banner or SYMBOLS of Hope for best buff slot for the minion army

[waxen nymph]

Yes

[daring lion]

Have to get used calling it Symbols now. Wai dey do dis :((@

[waxen nymph]

Because there is going to be a new system called Sigils

Skills Sigils most likely

So to avoid any confusion

[spring pollen]

I remember void cleave can give crit to allies or something like that, and flat damage maybe

So, useful for minions

[waxen nymph]

Flat Dmg + Ignite Chance but no Crit I believe

[spring pollen]

Maybe it makes enemies crit vulnerable? I’ll go check

[turbid dome]

void gang

[waxen nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/awoo-awoo-300-spartans-warriors-gif-16099810

[spring pollen]

There we go. Thanks. That should work well for minions no?

[waxen nymph]

Yes

But I am not sure you want to go all the way down there

Thats a lot of Pts

But I might be wrong

[halcyon yoke]

crit vuln + spiders to double down on crit debuffs

[turbid dome]

[alpine canopy]

Real

Okay, how overcooked is this? 😂 ~https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A2LyXdLB

Pretend there's a shield there and vengeance is specced to make FWs

Alternate options for FWs are make them explode to get spell scaling or replace them with a forge breath MA

Also, I will have to fiddle with the nodes in shield bash and shield rush (kinda) that manipulate the RoS shields

if setting the shields up in a line with shield bash lets me stack all the shields on top of an enemy, it might be fun

[daring lion]

there will be changes to the passives as well right? kinda hard to theory craft accurately until then

[alpine canopy]

Yeah, until we get the full thing we're just making rough guesses

[daring lion]

how to play the game when we cant play the game

tis all

[smoky shoal]

Another ring. I'm done lol. I'm logging off before I actually get mad at a game

[covert phoenix]

I probably missed something as I didn't went deep into the sentinel rework, but for FW, why do you want minion damage on the weapon?

isn't regular flat much more effective?

do you even get to convert into necrotic damage?

[scenic gyro]

i dont think there is anything necrotic gonna happen around sentinel

[covert phoenix]

yeah, that base feels wasted compared to obsidian axe

an axe like that is probably much, much stronger:

or flat physical instead of the increased melee damage

[spring pollen]

Or atk speed?

[covert phoenix]

I already put the attack speed on my suggestion

[spring pollen]

Oh yes oops lol

[waxen nymph]

Toast is trying to do the Fire Aura Shield

And take FW as a side dmg

[covert phoenix]

oh ok

then forget what i said

[drowsy holly]

hey guys just bought last epoch was thinking paladin any thoughts?

[winter copper]

sentinel gets giga changed

if u want to play something that most likely will be approximately same then try hammers/judgment+rive/smite+healing hands/holy trail+judgment aura+rive

hammers are better on other masteries tho unless u go bleed

[alpine canopy]

Yeah this, trying to get as much flat spell damage as I can for the shields. Even getting flat poison on my rings lol.

[urban phoenix]

Sounds like fun XD

[bold horizon]

RiveRot

[winter copper]

thats probably wont be strong, you need skills with big generic %more dmg

since the stacks are limited

[bold horizon]

shhhhhhhhhhh let a boy dream

[winter copper]

void cleave/smite/dev orb are top 3 candidates for now imo

[austere coral]

Where can I look these up myself? Some vid on Twitch/YT?

[bold horizon]

https://youtu.be/JwFHzzz6zBE?si=n2NsQvky_JfnY8aj&t=3314

[austere coral]

Thanks

Now one new, not-shown node on Shield Throw keeps fascinating me

[turbid dome]

smite gaming

[alpine canopy]

I expect a lot of changes in sentinel skills, but if smite's multiplier survives, that might be the way

I feel like I should go through and calculate which is actually best, but that might just end up a total waste of time 😂

[inland quarry]

i'm thinking about doing a time rot phys resist stacker. even though you're limited to 12 time rots, i think there was a skill that allowed you to expel all the timerots to do instant damage and start over.

[austere coral]

I'm just praying at this point that Lunge's Pilum Assault is left intact 🙏 That's pretty much only thing preventing from locking my build in

[winter copper]

this node+new consuming orb node

funny enough karv was playng exactly that setup in interview

the only issue is applying enough timerots with eruptions/rifts from giga orb but we most likely will have tools to do so

[alpine canopy]

idk if we'll be able to get much out of void eruption, but combining orbs into big bois and then having those stack up rots should be good

[winter copper]

eruption is another huge multiplier on top of big orb

[alpine canopy]

Hammer throw is also solid, same as smite anyway