💀┃acolyte

[dark berry]

every summon that exists flavor lmao

gave it stomp and soul reave

insane aoe necrotic cleaves

[calm dome]

That one is a must node for sure. I meant more what cd skill everyone has settled on

[dark berry]

thing is this one

[buoyant bear]

See my video above 🙂

[dark berry]

means you have to use skelly mages/skeletons/wraiths/bone golems

so you have nothing else available

[calm dome]

Trex makes it seem like you just wanna scale phys damage

[dark berry]

yeah

im using the soul cleave with necrotic

but I think its a net dps loss atm cause when my abom uses stomp bosses die

I have no clue what new act final boss does

he kinda exploded

[umbral garden]

double strike + stomp, I don't think the CD nodes are worth it personally

[calm dome]

Specializing in one cd skill and getting the cdr nodes+minion cdr idols seems good though. If the cdr matches the cast times, it basically has infinite casts

[white crest]

how are people feeling about dot flay vs crit/hit?

[dark berry]

how about rot aura?

[umbral garden]

the CD's are too high to do that, i have about 100% CDR on idols, after that the diminishing returns are way too heavy

[umbral garden]

just a few stacks of poison isn't worth it for me, you get - phys res on aura of decay that synergizes perfectly with all of abom's phys abilities/attack

[half relic]

just starting the season. any good sommoner builds for this season? I was excited after i heard they were removing the double gear thing from last season

[calm dome]

If only dread shade can convert the buff to phys

Like how there is a poison convert

[dark berry]

I meant in abom tree

[umbral garden]

Same, that is what it does, no? Apply stacks of poison? Not worth it for me, but could be fun for sure

[vast tendon]

I really like the idea of stuffing your minions together to make the Abom, but having to actually swap skills mid-combat has to be insane lol

[dark berry]

wdym mid combat

[half relic]

is abomination the best option for sommoning build?

[dark berry]

idk if the best but it certainly works

[earnest lichen]

what's the woven echo that boosts surrounding echoes?

idr the name

[lyric idol]

flay is too many hungry i'm going back to minions 👍

[vast tendon]

WAIt, is that the same Abom model we summon?

[calm dome]

Can I double up on these rings have no mana cost/no mana?

Oh wait nvm it is a primordial

[mortal summit]

does anyone have a flay lich guide they can recommend? I've been using squirrely's guide, but but their levelling guide has some errors I am finding annoying to reconcile

[vast tendon]

I'm rocking a Poison Flay Lich build?

[pearl fog]

Maxroll one is decent, but you need some gear to swap to it

[mortal summit]

can you target farm army of skin and traitor's tongue at all?

[twilit lichen]

Any really good abomination builds this patch?

[pearl fog]

I was leveling with all ailment warlock and swapped after I got primordial dagger, tongue and skin

Ye, with prophecies

And then weaver tree for lp

[vast tendon]

So what're prophecies?

[mortal summit]

magic find guild

[pearl fog]

Circle of fortune mechanic

[vast tendon]

OOOhh right right

[pearl fog]

That lets you target item types

[bitter mango]

what level or when should i transition from warlock for leveling to harvest slay lich

[mortal summit]

when you have the requisite uniques I would assume

[vast tendon]

Ah, like so?

[inner void]

Question about flay is says added damage is added as 200% does that mean each point of Dex gives 4 damage ? And does that also mean if you have on weapon that its add damage does that get doubled as wel ?

[old hull]

Yes to both

[pearl fog]

Yes

[karmic burrow]

does anyone know if the marrow shards generated by flay hit the flay target as well?

[autumn meadow]

''(10% to 100%) of Damage Reflected'' Does this mean MY damage dealt is reflected to me, or Enemies damage dealt is reflected to them?

There's another 'Damage reflected to attackers' affix, so I'm not sure 😂

[abstract summit]

yes

it's still not gonna do any damage tho lol

[earnest lichen]

0 overkill lmfao. never seen that before

[vast tendon]

Precise death lol

[karmic burrow]

ah haha yeah i couldnt tell if it was doing damage at all 😆 maybe it was too little to notice

[vast tendon]

I have it too, I'm sure it's working somewhere... among my eight dozen poisons lol

[karmic burrow]

i was hoping i could zoom around the map shooting marrow shards everywhere

[bitter mango]

if i dont have the uniques yet, is there any other lich build that you guys can recommend to start farming monoliths?

first time playing an acolyte

[earnest lichen]

does the new rift beast woven echo only drop the t8 stuff?

I was hoping it would be a way to maybe farm the gloves

[old hull]

Reflects a % of damage dealt to you after all mitigations back to the enemy. The other affix is a flat amount of reflect when you're hit.

[autumn meadow]

Appreciate it, thankyou!

[earnest lichen]

another day, no gloves

surely soon

[obtuse quest]

T8 is generally crafted so....

[earnest lichen]

i just did the woven echo and like 10 t8s dropped

[vast tendon]

So did they explain why the Weaver Lairs are so STACKED with loot or just a gameplay thing?

[earnest lichen]

none of them useful for me

[willow current]

@abstract summit are you playing thru with flay?

[boreal rampart]

if I convert aura of decay to bleed will the 'poison nova' also convert to bleed chance instead of poison chance? or do those subskills not convert

[abstract summit]

wdym thru

[willow current]

I guess the campaign but i probably should of worded it without thru

Testing i guess

[old hull]

Defiling nova doesn't convert, but the others do

[boreal rampart]

damn, that's unfortunate

[abstract summit]

i mean you are not playing the campaign with a skill opening up after 50 passives

but no, im on lock atm

[willow current]

Ah ok fair

[pearl fog]

Play dot warlock and swap to lich once you farm mandatory stuff

[elfin dock]

So i guess we are all acolyte this season

i think ill go warlock, or are other subclasses more fun? Necro seems very boring to me

[willow current]

Im doing warlock rn until i get stuff for harvest flay lich

[strong crescent]

Can some Abomination expert pls clarify this for me:

• Does the Abo benefit from me equipping gear that gives +max skellies so i make it absorb more skellies, and then i equip other gear after im done summoning it, which gives me less skellies?
  Im trying to make a build where i only absorb skellies on my Abo.
  With the +max gear i get 11 skellies, and then i swap to my normal gear after which only gives me 8 skellies.

[obtuse quest]

if you change your max minion count, abom sucides.

[strong crescent]

it doesnt

[obtuse quest]

It should

[strong crescent]

ive been doing it like this exactly for 2 days now, but im unsure if it benefits from the 3 extra skellies when summoned.

[strong crescent]

ok, ty. will prolly get fixed then.
another question: when i summon skellies inside a monolith it keeps absorbing the skellies. Will it then "re-caclulate" the power and only get the power of 1 skelly, if i summon that inside the mono?

[obtuse quest]

To answer the question, by default it just boosts it's hp, and give 5% more damage per minion, but there's nodes that could do more.

[obtuse quest]

I dont understand the question.

[strong crescent]

ye and im actually using the skelly archers.

[nova portal]

#stopskeletonabuse

[strong crescent]

so i summoned the abo with 11 skelly archers outside of a monolith to prepare, then i swap to my normal gear go inside a monolith and cast "summon skeleton" once, which summons 1 skelly, that instantly gets absorbed by my Abo.
Now, does that mean my Abo is only getting the power from that 1 skelly instead of the 11 i summoned him with at the start?

[tall mural]

If a skill inflicts a dot, does the dot kill count as the skill kill?

[obtuse quest]

no, he didn't 'absorb' it. He ate it for a self heal.

[obtuse quest]

no

[tall mural]

yeah didnt think so but Im too tired to think right now

[calm dome]

T rex just seems too good to not use

For necro

[strong crescent]

ok, how can i know the difference? is there somewhere i can read how many minions he is currently benefitting from?

[obtuse quest]

It only 'absorbs' when you're trying to summon him, otherwise it's a devour. No, there's is no indicator except taking notes yourself.

[autumn bough]

https://youtu.be/lS-OVVE0iGs shameless plug in for budget mana flay uber

[void onyx]

Flay does not seem very good for bleed, doesn't it?

[pearl fog]

I thing that "flicker" playstyle is generally bad for ailments, you will be 3 screens away when loot drops

[void onyx]

So far Harvest seems the only Melee Bleed option

[pulsar raven]

applying no, supporting its good

[void onyx]

How would it support bleed?

[obtuse quest]

The "Mass Chaos Bolt" spam variant is decent for DoTs.

[charred ridge]

thankfully we have filter sounds and minimap icons now 🙂

[pulsar raven]

mark for death is -res, you can deploy AoD on an enemy, and boost its application, you can spread the bleeds arounda pack

[void onyx]

well bone curse also has Marked for Death. And spreading bleeds is kinda of redundant when harvest already has a decent AoE.

[pearl fog]

Yep, its gamechanger when you go fast

[obtuse quest]

Harvest
Decent Aoe
What?

[pearl fog]

Check flay boots

[void onyx]

With AoE needs it is

[obtuse quest]

It's not bad by any means, but decent?

I wouldn't put it under decent when Chaos Bolt does the DoT job about 3 times better.

[pearl fog]

They give 169% inc harvest aoe

[obtuse quest]

That's on top of the default mid-sized cone, and all sources of aoe are increases.

It's really not that big, but it's not bad.

[pearl fog]

It feels decent when you flick around

[vast tendon]

I hate these frickin Draal bugs.

One single tic of the lava breath is a flat one-shot

[pearl fog]

And its big enough to dps bosses while dodging abilities

[obtuse quest]

it's decent yeah, but I wouldn't call it great.

[pearl fog]

Agree, but its good enough

[void onyx]

Well, Im still in the campaign, trying to make my own build for once. And at the moment, I see no reason to use Flay over Harvest to apply bleed

[pearl fog]

I really wish we had some way to scale melee range

[obtuse quest]

To be fair, by the time you unlock Flay you'll probably be close to ending the campaign (30 pointer lmao)

[void onyx]

Not really, not even at Lagon yet

[pulsar raven]

you dont use it instead, but its nice to tp to packs to use harvest

[pearl fog]

That would mulitply with inc aoe

[obtuse quest]

That kinda sounds like you're overleveled compared to the campaign area level.

[void onyx]

Im just completing the sidequests for passive points and idol slots, not doing any full clearing though

Though I dont run past the enemies either

[inner void]

Mind explaining how the build works ?

[pearl fog]

We already have range stat on weapons, some way to affect it with affixes would be great

[obtuse quest]

It does matter.
It just doesn't matter for Harvest.

[pearl fog]

Oh

[autumn bough]

stack mana=big brain=monke strong 🐒
we pick up STRONG big dagger=alot of damage
axe=mana full=monke happy
2 fingers=holding 2 buttons(flay/harvest)=uber dead

[void onyx]

just wondering what last skill should I even use. Probably death seal, but not a lot of synergy there

[pearl fog]

Transplant or flay for speed

[obtuse quest]

Could always spec into transplant and make reap 2nd traversal.

Flay can be converted into a traversal as well.

[calm dome]

Flicker flay would be good

[void onyx]

Reap is really useful for extending reaper form though

[pearl fog]

You extend it with enough damage and leech

[obtuse quest]

You're lich, you extend it by leech.

Reap isn't required for that.

[sudden plaza]

necro brethren

[vast tendon]

Reap is your "Yeet over here, then go back to Flicker Flaying, yeet over here, rinse-repeat."

[sudden plaza]

what is the best defense we have. ward im guessing? do we need armor or endurnace?

[obtuse quest]

If you're going to go ward focused you can't use endurance. Everyone needs some armour.

[abstract summit]

6 porta wait wrong game

[void onyx]

wait, endurance doesn't work with ward?

[sudden plaza]

do you just take ward gain on mana costs, ward regen and threshold? is there any other mechanics?

[obtuse quest]

Exsang for low life ward.

[obtuse quest]

It does not, it only covers health.

[pearl fog]

Vessel of strife

[void onyx]

Hmm and here I thought there was synergy between Corrupted Form and Ward from missing life

[hollow flint]

Its not entirely useless on builds with ward though

[obtuse quest]

But those that focus on ward will most likely not get much out of it.

[forest mica]

#❔┃ask-the-community message
Ask a question about defence

[calm dome]

Easiest way to scale necrotic damage on minion?

Idk what damage type I should be scaling more on necromancer minions tbh

Phys with T-rex or Necrotic cause of Dread Shade

[obtuse quest]

Dread shade? Provide it with flat from your passive tree?

[pearl fog]

Or weapon suffix

[sudden plaza]

dread shade, weapon suffix 1h axe etc, and +int / + summon lvls

[strong crescent]

does this make my wraiths "Fire Only" ? or do they still do their normal Necrotic damage also?

[obtuse quest]

Those are adaptive so it might not give necrotic

[obtuse quest]

Their base damage becomes fire.

[earnest lichen]

That new rift beast woven echo is rough. Maybe I'm just not geared enough for it

[pearl fog]

Yep, it took me few attempts

[earnest lichen]

So many random 1 shot abilities

The stupid chomp got me so many times

[pearl fog]

Those fu*kers are rift beases empowered with 2 affixes and champion mods

[earnest lichen]

Actually tho. They're terrifying

[shadow valley]

I was cruising when going to sleep, my abom actually dies now :C

[earnest lichen]

And then for some reason you have to fight 2 at the same time at the end

[lucid olive]

What necro builds are worth running now?

[vast tendon]

I’ve only seen the basic lizard beasts?

With the affixes I chose, anyway

[pearl fog]

Oh really? Didn't noticed that

[earnest lichen]

It's a woven echo that has you fight like 8 super juiced beasts in a row

[shadow valley]

Has any1 observed it? maybe I just specced wrongly or idk; abom dmg received changes?

couple hours ago it's hp didn't move much

[vast tendon]

Yesus. I havent progressed the entirety of the Chapter, so maybe that’s why

[shadow valley]

across many monoliths

now it dies within like 20 seconds of fighting

quite a difference

[vast tendon]

Gotta get better materials :p

[pearl fog]

But it was 150 corruption only, so they died quite fast

[inner void]

i am looking at the skill point invenstment and wondering why legion of the lich and undead harvest you are not using minions right ?

[earnest lichen]

My build doesnt do that much damage yet so a full run is 10+ minutes

I'm missing a few key pieces still

And basically still using rag gear

[obtuse quest]

Undead Harvest's 5% more damage taken is generic, works for you as well.

[vast tendon]

I need to figure WHAT Uniques I should even use on my Poison Build… Issue of having no idea what items are in Last Epoch

[obtuse quest]

LETools have a list if you want to browse.

[pearl fog]

I was killing them in 5-10s each

[lost gale]

it doesn't add a fire spell to wraiths, it gives you a chance to summon a different minion instead, one which only casts a fire spell.
The melee wraths don't deal fire damage, they just get that 5% more.

[vast tendon]

Ah, I’ll give it a look-see tomorrow. o7

[shadow valley]

oh wow, not giving shade results in same abom dmg loss, I think they just fixed the contaminated dreams node to actually work lmao

[vernal bough]

does someone got an sound bug with mass summons and t rex? its shortly fixed while relogg, but yesterday i didnt got it. while this lofi sound bug i got minor spike lags ._.

[void onyx]

If you convert Aura of Decay to other elements, do the sub skills get converted too?

[autumn bough]

undead harvest is a globa debuff that works for your dmg too, other points is to get there

[obtuse quest]

#💀┃acolyte message

[void onyx]

Am I not in the Acolyte channel?

[obtuse quest]

It should link you to a specific messeage.

[void onyx]

oh I see, thanks

[vapid zenith]

I'm seeing a lot of cold melee (harvest + flay), what does it bring compared to staying phys ?

[calm dome]

Throne of Ambition

[abstract summit]

You can scale you mourningfrost flat too 🤡

[void onyx]

how do you even survive this node though

[tall mural]

Exsang, ailment clear belt

[abstract summit]

30% leech

It's like 6 stacks a seconds, not the end of the world

[void onyx]

per enemy hit

😄

[abstract summit]

Okay well, 30% leech 🙂

[bleak cypress]

hey, i've got a question, how to make abomination not die after taking contaminated dreams node (the 30% cooldown reduction but he loses 5%hp each ablity use) ??

[abstract summit]

Or ya know could just bleed flay like a normal person 😄

[void onyx]

That's the thing though, I just don't see how it is better than harvest

It costs lots of mana, does not have much attack speed, hits essentially one target

[abstract summit]

By hitting something 150 times a second?

[void onyx]

1500 mana per second tho

[pulsar raven]

lategame its nothign, because it doesnt scale

[abstract summit]

80

[obtuse quest]

Chaos bolts are 2 mana per projectile, and can refund 2 mana per hit.

[void onyx]

So, basically, to play melee bleed build, I am essentially playing "cast on flay"

aww..

[abstract summit]

I mean, it is a hybrid skill 😛

[void onyx]

well, that's why im looking at harverst atm

[obtuse quest]

I mean, a DoT does not care it's vehicle of application

[abstract summit]

Oh ye and btw said vechicle has grave for two

[shadow valley]

after minipatch it actually kills my abom too, had to respec out of it. Leech nodes don't seem to work much; it's healing, but not 'I just crit for 10mil'-leech kind of healing

[obtuse quest]

If you're looking to play a melee dot for flavour purposes, then Harvest is the only choice.

[void onyx]

Well, let's see how far I can go with my own build

If there's nothing I can do, back to just looking up builds

[abstract summit]

You gonna play it low life tho so ye just pop on exsang

[void onyx]

Now it's just a question of Corrupted Form or not

[calm dome]

I keep staring at the sacrifice node on abom and just can't think of what to use it for. Sacrifice is already so mana intensive

[abstract summit]

Here we go agane 😄

[pulsar raven]

you could play spellbalde or primalist too

[pallid plume]

Hey just wondering the best way to scale Profane mages ?

As in does cast speed help speed up the time. With the new 40% respawn passive I'm really over sustaining skeletons.

So not sure if I should be running chaos bolt also for the spell dmg for minions buff.

[autumn bough]

are u talking abt oblation(mage sacrifice) build?

my friend made a planner i can send to you

[lost gale]

you should definitely be running chaos bolt & stacking mana and yeah cast speed julra's gloves are pretty important

I tried it last season and blight of lachesis was pretty important for the +2 skeletons to actually be able to sacrifice the skelly lads

[pallid plume]

Also I assume even after the minion changes you have to swap into archmage to survive higher corruption.

Not sure if 1 archmage + dread shade (with 40% dmg no buff) and 5 skeleton mages with normal dread shade is comparable dmg

[pallid plume]

I see so with those gloves if you can now get something like t8 cast speed ?

[lost gale]

I had a blight of lachesis with T7 mana/manaregen and T7 minion flat bow/spell and the build was still kinda mid (not gonna say I built it ideally otherwise lol) but the build was only okay and for a minion build the playstyle is quite active with managing the chaos bolts buff, positioning and summoning skeletons where you actually want them

[lost gale]

no because T8 cast speed is only ever going to be a sealed affix on an exalted pair of gloves

but Julra's gloves with T7 cast speed & T5 shred slammed on them was pretty good

the minion revive is kind of a red herring for the build I think, it's a nice to have for lazy clearing but for actual DPS you should be casting summon skeletons the entire time

[pallid plume]

I got to the stage of running abomination but it's currently far too jank so looking at other options with necro.

[trail arch]

Finally got my Trex at lvl 52 lol, shame the stats and skills are min roll but it's so awesome having a trex with my undead army 😄

[lost gale]

I didn't try archmage, with 6 skelly mages they weren't keeping up with blowing shit up

[pallid plume]

Yeah I currently have 4 mages and over sustaining skeletons. Like having the cap out if I'm actively summoning

[lost gale]

or rather, they were keeping up but I was seeing very few basic spells from them so they had almost no slack

and that was with the cast speed gloves

[pallid plume]

Yeah so I guess it's about getting more cast speed for them currently.

Dread shade with the cast speed should help when that's maxed

[lost gale]

well, maybe, I guess in theory they could be doing more damage with you oversustaining skeletons

I just found that the delay between casting summon skeletons on a pack, the skeletons appearing and the mages actually deigning to blow them up was enough that it felt bad to play

and I hated keeping track of the chaos bolts buff

[proper wharf]

Really hope they can get the abomination bugged asap.

It's so weird. Yesterday it worked fine for me with abo, but today it started eating it, even when the initial cast didn't

[pallid plume]

That is why I'm 50/50 on chaos bolt.

Or if I just play zoo style until I'm like lv85 and swap into abomination at that stage. Summon abomination and then unbind the button so I don't accidently re summon

[lost gale]

I think if you're going to be blowing up minions and casting chaos bolt you may as well be playing volatile zombies tbh

[calm dome]

What else to use 100% respawn skeletons for? Pyre Golem? Marrow Shards?

[lost gale]

they just seem better than oblation skeletons

[lost gale]

Abomination using sacrifice, zombies casting sacrifice or infernal shade, you casting infernal shade with legion and shade pop on them, marrow shards as you said (as a mana engine for Flay maybe?), self casting sacrifice

doom brand (kinda bad and currently bugged, do not do this)

[pallid plume]

Mages was my go since the mana on deaths makes it very easy to setup.

I think with 80% resummon you possibly just go more chaos bolt heavy. But in that case does my cast speed to cast more chaos bolt matter ?

[south loom]

should i be avoiding this seasonal monster thing until later in the game, dying to it over and over again feels bad. Or am i just bad?

[lost gale]

the buff doesn't stack, so it's really just a case of casting chaos bolts until it re-procs every 8 seconds-ish

[pallid plume]

Where do you get to 100 ?

40% on skeleton tree and 40% on passive.

[calm dome]

Yeah the mana battery interaction with the unique boots, skeletons and marrow shards makes sense

[lost gale]

Sinathia shield has 46% and the reforged sinathia shield affix is 16-20% at T5

[obtuse quest]

They hit pretty hard in the campaign if you're not preped for it.

[shadow valley]

hardest campaign content, but definitely doable

[pallid plume]

Can you over summon ?

For example if you have 120% chance does 1 skeleton die and you have a 20% chance to spawn 2 ?

[shadow valley]

if it's not doable by YOU, then don't do it

you will reach your primordial item like 20 levels later

not a big deal

[lost gale]

no, chance above 100% does nothing and the 3s delay still feels slow

[calm dome]

No. I think the stat specifies anything over 100% has no effect

[south loom]

yeah thats why im confused, im cruising through the rest of the content, but then just get double tapped with some tail attack and die to the custom dinosaur

[calm dome]

Warlock Zombies? 100% respawn on skeletons means constant fuel for Profane Veil

Yeah Warlock zombies sounds good to me actually

[lost gale]

yeah but profane veil minion eating is easy to fuel and that build really doesn't spend much mana

[shadow valley]

IKR, woke up had to fun around so it doesn't die; actually just taking off contaminated dreams and putting that point into abom leech for now worked

[lost gale]

what you want is something that spends loads of mana and wants disposable bodies

[shadow valley]

me IRL

[obtuse quest]

That's technically sacrifice

[lost gale]

yeah, I think abom sac could be legit

[south loom]

And now its spawn camping me, and killing me over and over again... fml

[lost gale]

the devour skill which it appends sac to already chains to 3-4 minions I think

idk how that works exactly, haven't tested it

but it's automated sac which is particular about what it will and won't sacrifice

[dreamy linden]

what skill would you all recommend for doing the campain as a lich? not a big fan of using another build to then switch to lich on the endgame

[lost gale]

if you make your abomination solely out of skeletons then it'll only sac skeletons

I'm not sure what to do with that exactly but it's certainly interesting

[calm dome]

Why not Warlock zombies that trigger sacrifice and infernal shade then? Profane veil has an infernal shade node too

[obtuse quest]

Honest, profane veil's issue is really just the CD.

OTherwise we'll see people play big boom veil zombies

Those things hit like half the screen lmao

[lost gale]

well the thing is the warlock zombies are about scaling the zombies, it's a minion build. The infernal shade & sac build is about scaling player damage via the minions.

I agree that zombies proccing those abilities with the skeles as fuel for them is good

[calm dome]

I mean... you don't have to scale the zombies and make it a minion build

[lost gale]

but I don't really see the appeal of warlock in that

[calm dome]

It's just another form of summoning zombies

Zombie trigger on non-zombie death+profane veil=lots of zombies

[shadow valley]

evade and use portal

[calm dome]

Isn't that enough of a reason to run it

[lost gale]

why play warlock or use veil then? Harvest just got its own zombie synergy and you already want to be blowing the zombies up with chaos bolts

[obtuse quest]

If you needed zombies as a vehicle, you'll just run their unique rings.

[lost gale]

I can see CB/Harvest/Zombie being good

[obtuse quest]

There's no reason to rely on a long cd that summons 5 zombies per cast. Self casting 3 zombies per press would be faster

[lost gale]

yeah the reason to use veil is to take advantage of the 1% damage & area per int

[calm dome]

Chaos bolt harvest and zombies is an interesting take

[lost gale]

This would be a minion build though I think. it's about blowing zombies up with chaos bolts not about using zombies to trigger sac or shades on your skeletons

[calm dome]

Summon zombies by triggering harvest on chaos bolt that blows up the triggered zombies

[obtuse quest]

Zombies and chaos bolt is already a decent combo if built around.

[tall mural]

nemmy why you gotta be like that bro

[calm dome]

Oh the zombie on harvest is on kill or boss hit

[lost gale]

the issue is that minion/player damage split

[lost gale]

you shouldn't really need extra zombies beyond what the rings provide for trash

[calm dome]

Would be automated on bossing at least

[lost gale]

yeah

5 per 3 seconds isn't terrible

better than you get by throwing in cooldown zombies and cheaper on mana too

[slow patrol]

a generic question on filters, I'm still on the leveling guide from maxroll, but I want to start gearing towards flay/harvest lich, what's the best I can do about filters to not miss out on items?

[sick belfry]

how's mana management for CB flay lich with executioner's tithe? is it enough with just tithe or do you need the mana on flay hit chest affix?

[obtuse quest]

Mana on flay hit?

[sick belfry]

errr mana on harvest hit

woopsie

[vapid zenith]

is there anything interesting for lich at the primordial merchant ? Not even sure what currency to target, nothing seems outstanding so far

[rancid sedge]

the relic

[coarse bear]

Yeah the idol relic is like universally good

[wise fossil]

Any opinions on chaos bolt vs harvest flay? Either noticeably better for endgame?

[formal sparrow]

how does reaper seal work here? putting it in bar cuz the other skills are automated with the boots

[chrome mason]

use it to block big damage hits

[formal sparrow]

like will it give me 50ish %dr on my ward too?

[chrome mason]

its a panic button essentially

[pallid plume]

Hey does the new defence on minions make zoo viable ?

Like going all archer and mages possibly with a golem or melee wraith to get aggro ?

[obtuse quest]

Yes

[pallid plume]

Or are they still going to die at like 500c all the time

[formal sparrow]

ah ok

[tall mural]

fml they need to fix the controller support, I pressed the dialog button and it skipped three boxes of the new stuff

[formal sparrow]

holy mana batman how tf do i keep up mana costs lmao just transitioned to skin boots with flay

[proud drift]

Anybody know when you can switch to flay lich ? I mean what level, i can buy uniques

[formal sparrow]

i just did it at 69 but i cant tell u if its good or bad yet

[proud drift]

@formal sparrow Thanks, you got the core items ?

[formal sparrow]

just got the boots atm

[formal sparrow]

but im struggling with mana sustain rn i thought a few CB would cover it for me but since i one shot mobs then i dont get mana sustain

suffering from success

[slow patrol]

what would be the easiest way of getting the boots? SSF

[proud drift]

Idk where they drop from, just check it and target farm it

You guys follow the maxroll build ?

[formal sparrow]

spirits of fire or runes of ascendance, its what i was trying before buying them

[hollow flint]

Rune of ascendance worked for me

[formal sparrow]

made my own

[slow patrol]

do i need any specific minimum level on boots to use runes on it?

[hollow flint]

Just any old boots work

[obtuse quest]

No

Runes ignore your current level.

[crisp ridge]

hows goes the levelling kzb?

[obtuse quest]

Due to life being an ass, I just hit 49/ cleared all my side quest stuff so I literally just reached monoliths

💀

[formal sparrow]

throne of ambition selling for 300k except one random one for 10k

yoink

[crisp ridge]

i havent evem reached monos 💀

[formal sparrow]

im a bit concerned about mana issues but ill see ig

[obtuse quest]

oof

[crisp ridge]

only beat lagon like an hour ago and then had to hop off 😭

[obtuse quest]

beating lagon

[crisp ridge]

but i did level aco for a bit then got bored 😭

[obtuse quest]

Lmao screw that I'll mono till I find a key

[crisp ridge]

we first timed lagon with 0 deaths, 0 even close calls.

with 0% cold res

was weird

[obtuse quest]

That's crazy

[formal sparrow]

also reaper form somehow perma up tho

[crisp ridge]

what build did you end up going kzb?

[formal sparrow]

also i think its not casting summon skellies and rip blood without them on the bar

[obtuse quest]

I'm still running bleed warlock lmao

[crisp ridge]

respectable choice

surely those carrion gloves 😮

[obtuse quest]

That depends on how late I'll run this build lmao

[formal sparrow]

i might end up having to cut off seal and running the axe for mana sustain or some other solution 🙁

its a pain to run out of mana

even tho damage is nutty

this kinda goated but...

they also missing -80% res cuz if i take that node my cold res gets nuked from like 130 to 10

[obtuse quest]

140 dps against area level 100-

[crisp ridge]

thats fair, im a little sad none of the uniques are giga fun kind of ones. like bild defining super fun

[chrome mason]

the overkill 2h axe tho...

kinda unusable on aco tho

[crisp ridge]

some are cool but not many

imo anyway

[formal sparrow]

huh

also kinda annoying that im able to smack this dummy for a whigle but in maps i run out of mana idk why 🙁

[chrome mason]

I had a thought of using flay CB node, together with CB turns into 1 big bolt node. And then using said overkill axe to just screenclear everything

But the crit multi scaling off strength is dead and mana is undoable

[obtuse quest]

Big bolt node does nothing for flay procs

[chrome mason]

fuuuck really?

is that intentional

[obtuse quest]

It casts a projectile of chaos bolt, not a cast of chaos bolt.

It technicaly does take the node, but since you're not firing extra projectiles, it gives nothing.

[strong crescent]

lol the Egg thingy made this LP 3, nice.. now i gotta figure out how to craft it ^^

[chrome mason]

tragic

dont think aco has another big single target hit that could use the overkill thing well huh

[formal sparrow]

wanted to use the flay reduce reaper cdr nodes but reaper is legit perma up with the giga leech node at the end of lich

[obtuse quest]

Not really no, overkill isn't our thing

[formal sparrow]

unless i afk or something and nothing is near

[obtuse quest]

Doesn't that reduce reap's cooldown as well

[formal sparrow]

yeah but i dont use it that much

beautiful drop oh my lawd

feels like the beast hunts are fairly erare in maps

[pallid plume]

Hey the leveling filter for acolyte on maxroll not working ?

Anyone else had this. Necro leveling filter works fine

[serene lichen]

That’s trash wtf

R we getting trolled

[rancid sedge]

ive messed up somewhere and im struggling with emp mono's whoops

[formal sparrow]

wat

[unborn egret]

still no traitor's tongue

[gaunt abyss]

im dying non stopp. apart of getting more HP what else i can do? https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oy5ZZq9o

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 80

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Lich (10) / Warlock (61)

General:

▸ Health: 1,676, Regen: 76.5/s
▸ Mana: 192.4, Regen: 13.36/s
▸ Ward Retention: 238%, Regen: 112/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 0 Dex / 53 Int / 0 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 98% / 75% / 85% / 92% / 76% / 95% / 63%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 24%, Threshold: 335
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (37)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 18% (474)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 32%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Infernal Shade / Chthonic Fissure / Transplant / Aura Of Decay

[unborn egret]

To Flay liches here, how's cold spec? thinking if i should swap from bleed to cold

[gusty horizon]

hi can someone tell me how can i change minion protect mod to assasinate?

[obtuse quest]

Press 2 on your keyboard

[hollow flint]

As long as you stack mana all flay builds should be fine

[gusty horizon]

tyvm

[hollow flint]

I still wonder how they thought 20% more damage per 100 mana is fine

[charred ridge]

shhh bro it's fine

[formal sparrow]

they pricy asf in shop

[formal sparrow]

so far im running it

and liking it quite a bit

[hollow flint]

Yeah its very fine when stacking mana, but it kills the motivation to do any other variant

[formal sparrow]

i can screenshare in a vc if u want a quick tldr of my experience

and watch me play a map or something

[unborn egret]

alright ill swap to cold to try, i can grab more res from chest piece since i aint doing exsanguinous if im on cold

[formal sparrow]

idk in what world yall be, maybe cuz im not stacking mana itts different for me but i run out of mana fast and end up interweaving some harvests and not having seal death in bar lol

[woeful cedar]

How’s bleed chaos bolt:s doing

[formal sparrow]

ive modified builda bit since but im following this so far https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/bifoe0ga and also dont take aura of decay - res per int node until you got a lot of over cold res lol

[hollow flint]

Thats the thing, with the new axe and mana stacking you get the most damage and automatically solve mana issues, while other ways to build flay struggle with both

[obtuse quest]

Still doing it’s thing

[formal sparrow]

maybe ill be forced to use the axe but rather not

also saw ppl talk about an harvest mod on chest that makes it give mana on hit

could be a potential play

[hollow flint]

I personally hate playing flavor of the month builds, but its so hard to compete with the forced ways to build a skill when the skill tree and the new uniques all point into a single direction

[raw tapir]

yeah I wish you could mod this game

[versed fox]

Uniques are meant to empower certain builds, it makes sense that you would feel they're pushing you one way, since they are. But that's why there's multiple options. Skill tree, idk. I think that's skill dependent. You can just... Not play the fotm. Last season I played fire shield throw and killed Abby. You can make your own build

[hollow flint]

Ofcourse I can, but its only half the fun when you know your build will never be half as strong as the easy cookie cutter build

[raw tapir]

yeah I know how you feel

double the struggle for half the fun

[versed fox]

Why? You're not playing against anyone. And you say cookie cutter but I see a dozen variations in this thread alone lol

[raw tapir]

you're not playing against anyone is really subjective tbh

[versed fox]

It's a new skill, people want to try it out.

[versed fox]

What spot are you on the leaderboards?

[raw tapir]

people still compare themselves with the ladder, the people they see on discord, the videos they see on youtube and reddit

[raw tapir]

I play offline 🙏

[versed fox]

Based

Idk. I see these complaints as self inflicted.

[raw tapir]

aren't most of our sufferings like that tbh

purely mental

[versed fox]

Sisyphus didn't deserve it

[raw tapir]

I like to imagine Sisyphus happy

[hollow flint]

If I could change whats fun for me I would, but I cant. So I complain

And I think it would be better for the game if the devs wouldn’t have one single build in mind when designing a skill

[charred ridge]

I was told my complaints about build variety/balance are self inflicted because i want to kill uber

sorry for wanting to kill a boss that's in the game i guess?

[flint vapor]

I don't think they do. But players will always "solve" the game and play only the strongest stuff

It's such an armchair dev take

[versed fox]

I honestly disagree so intensely I can't be polite about it

So uh

Nah

[charred ridge]

It's just that the game doesn't have enough real options a lot of times so things can feel very railroaded as a consequence. The more itemization they add and systems like the upcoming skill sigils, the more this will be alleviated

Primordial uniques are already one big step towards complexifying the meta since u can only equip 1 at a time and therefore actually have to make choices

[flint vapor]

I mean balance complaints are valid. But saying they intentionally only make one thing viable is such a a bad faith argument

[versed fox]

That's a reasonable take!

[charred ridge]

I could immediately tell the difference due to primordial items when theorycrafting builds in 1.3 vs 1.0 1.1 1.2

used to just go through every item slot in letools and go "that item looks bis for that skill" and put together a build in no time, now you have to think a bit more

[versed fox]

What are you playing this sea's b

Season

[charred ridge]

lmao

mana stacking flay

[lyric idol]

I'm trying to play flay and the mana cost is driving me crazy

I found Heavy's axe and the ugly boots

[sage hatch]

I am having the same issue

[versed fox]

Im doing flay chaos bolts, no shame.

I accidentally'd into the build though I didn't realize it was going to pop off so much

[obtuse quest]

But most of the good ones all focus on one thing: max mana to chaos bolts, it’s the core vehicle.

Because yeah, outputting like 10 hits at least per button press is really good

[raw tapir]

dude, i'm also going insane with mana on my flay build

[charred ridge]

it's just really really fun

i thought it would just have like really good boss dmg but be worse than chthonic fissure for maps

boy was i wrong

[thick garnet]

Am I going crazy or are enemies doing more damage then last league?
Just took 7000 void damage non crit from julra lv 100 :| yes I am dual weilding

[charred ridge]

i cleared maps 2x faster after respec

and depending how you build the playstyle can be very very interactive

great change of pace from 1 button builds

[raw tapir]

I miss my 1 button builds

let me turn my brain off pls

[charred ridge]

I'm pressing all 5 buttons on my bar and it feels great

[versed fox]

Fair!

[raw tapir]

piano simulator

[versed fox]

I am definitely eating int whenever possible

[charred ridge]

the only clunky part is WASD which i guess is self inflicted

i wish we had modifier keybinds

shift+mouse clicks would solve so many issues

[versed fox]

Poison lich is only 2 button, right

You could go big on aura

[raw tapir]

I certainly hope so

[raw tapir]

already rocking 2 auras 😎

[chrome mason]

yeah, but clunky because you need to manually recast aod for poison overload

however bleed CB with carrion is just toggle aod and spam CB

[versed fox]

Wack

Everyone is dipping into warlock for the extra mana per int, yeah?

(at least)

[charred ridge]

yeah

[versed fox]

More @ the non mana stackers I know you'd take it

[charred ridge]

oh

is that passive new btw i can't remember

i think not?

[versed fox]

I don't think so

The one in lich is, I think? The 7 point one?

[violet forge]

anyone know how's the interaction between Chaos Rip and Chain of betrayer? does it increase the mana cost because of Cthonic Aurora or the mana cost from Mana Anarchist ?

[charred ridge]

yeah lich one is new

[harsh warren]

my bleed lich doesn't take that, but it also doesn't really care about flat mana, only regen. this is all they're taking in warlock:

[lost gale]

T8 exalteds are often best in theorycrafts but they're just not cool like a sweet primordial is

[unborn egret]

finally 👴

[jovial hamlet]

guys is lich cold based will be good?

[unborn egret]

i swap to it now, feels pretty good

if you running bleed esp with AoD, you might need Exsanguinous.

Running cold lets you run another armor piece for more survivability

[jovial hamlet]

on 58lvl i have 6k dps on tooltip

[lost gale]

ignore tooltips

test on dummies or just judge whether your damage is acceptable in maps. The tooltips are almost useless

[jovial hamlet]

do you have any loot filter for it and what skills do you use?

[lost gale]

I don't play it

I'm on infernal shade/zombies/skellies

to the extent that im playing at all

laptop is not enjoying LE right now

[obtuse quest]

Chain of betrayer does nothing. Cthonic doesn’t apply because it is not a cast of chaos bolts. Mana anarchist is the only node that applies

[jovial hamlet]

oh i get it 😄 i play with harvest abd flay

[unborn egret]

its all coming together, just need to figure out how to put legendary potential on the gears

[proud drift]

anyone can tell me what mean " your leech stacks are REMOVED(?) when you reach 66% health instead of 100 " , i dont understand the meaning of the removed word here ?

[obtuse quest]

Basically your leech stops leeching when you hit 66% hp

Instead of only being stopped at full health

[proud drift]

yeah this is what i though, thanks you, its just a bad wording or i'm crazy

[bronze mason]

Normally your leeched health is spread out over 3 seconds. But if you get to 100% health, that stops

With that node, it stops at 66

[harsh warren]

I've got the leech converted to damage and dot nodes, i assume taking one point in accursed feast is absolutely worth it as a perma lowlifer

[obtuse quest]

Yeah it’s free 6% leech to convert

[harsh warren]

that's what i figured

[bronze mason]

Depends on the build. Some builds might already have plenty of leech so wouldn't need it

[obtuse quest]

1 point for 42% generic inc damage is pretty decent

[harsh warren]

not a ton tbh

[bronze mason]

It also lowers your leech to 1.67 secs

Oh I thought you were talking about the leech node

[obtuse quest]

Tbf DoT doesn’t mind the lower leech duration as much since they’ll be constantly leeching

[lost gale]

you stop gaining health from leech when you're above 2/3rds hp

[bronze mason]

Idk what you are talking about inc damage?

[obtuse quest]

Hollow lich converts leech into generic increased damage

[vagrant forge]

any good build for this season?

leveling is easy but endgame

[lost gale]

more than 6% because the increased leech applies doesn't it?

[bronze mason]

But then you lose all your life leech??

[obtuse quest]

I’m honestly still not sure how that interacts because it didn’t work last time

[lost gale]

oh

well that sucks

[obtuse quest]

Yes. But for Low Life setups they don’t want leech anyway.

[strong crescent]

i just learned that i have been using my abo for 2 days without channeling the skill, so it has prolly only been benefitting from 1 skelly, lol.

[harsh warren]

I use exsanguinous/other life lost per second ward gained on missing life so i want to delete my leech anyhoo

[unborn egret]

since im running cold flay, does these nodes matter or?

[obtuse quest]

Are you bleed? If not the front two doesn’t do anything.
Aer you dot? If not the first node also doesn’t matter

[prisma smelt]

Hey i think my abomination got a problem, sometimes he insta die, but it only happening when I'm in the skill panels or other panels anyone know why?

[unborn egret]

uhh, i am running rip blood and army of skin, do i still count as bleed?

i am on cold harvest/flay

[harsh warren]

do you have the necro node that kills a minion on potion use?

[pallid plume]

Yeah anytime you chance your max minions abom dies now.

So if you remove a point that gives +1 skeleton he will die. It's suppost to stop snapshotting with him as you can't mess around with trees after he is summoned now.

[prisma smelt]

Oh

okay thanks

[obtuse quest]

Why are you running rip blood in cold?

[prisma smelt]

big thanks i was losing my mind

[pallid plume]

Yeah I had the same thing. It's why I'm thinking of leveling a warlock and then swapping to abom way later when I don't need to change or skills

Abomination also got changed so now all skeletons are one bucket. Having a melee / archer/ rogue counts as 1 type not 3.

[unborn egret]

idk im just going whatever, what should i replace it with?

[prisma smelt]

yeah, i would like to play wraithlord but can t find the helmet 😂

[pallid plume]

From what I have seen lord is less dmg but alot less fiddly and messing around.

[harsh warren]

i'm tempted to give mass wraith wraithlord a shot this season with the assassinate minion ai

[obtuse quest]

Cold AoD can shred cold, reaper form if you don’t have it, death seal, chaos bolt if you’re procing it from flay

[pallid plume]

Hey going to do some warlock leveling. But the filter in maxroll is not working.

Do I just want a filter that highlights any ward per sec / damage over time / ailment chance and I'm good ?

[prisma smelt]

oh okay so maybe finding an other build

[unborn egret]

do you have a guide i can look into?

im already 83, i should start fixing stuff xD

[crisp ridge]

tldr

ise a generic filter that just has affoxs u want

then as you progress refine it with tiers, correct bases, multi stats, etc.

[pallid plume]

Well it's more that abomination is straight up broken if you commit to the full setup and swap stuff.

[pallid plume]

So I guess just as you upgrade keep making the tier requirement higher.

[crisp ridge]

that and be more specific about each affix and then more specific about bases etc.

also worth having a rule for affixs purely to smash

e.g hybrid hp

[harsh warren]

starting a new filter is always more annoying than maintaining it

[crisp ridge]

i personally just use the same filter for all builds and adjust ir

[harsh warren]

at some point i give up, filter all rare/blue/grey out, and just filter one affix show purples

[chrome mason]

I just use Raxx' filter with some tweaks

easy to setup

[gaunt abyss]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/mvfzk0qt any idea on how to improve sustain?

[pallid plume]

So I guess just as you upgrade keep making the tier requirement higher.

[rancid sedge]

where the dual wield skill point?

[rocky kite]

when a Wraith 'fades' does that count as a minion death and therefore trigger 'reclamation of souls' to grant ward on minion death?

[rancid sedge]

ty

[ivory sequoia]

I have a Lich with Dance With Death and 2 points in Corrupted Form, so I should be treated as always Low Life. When I set myself below 35% max HP, I have a certain value for all my increased damage % in my character sheet.
When I drink a potion, I get above 35% HP, but my % increased damage gets reduced by 80% : it seems like the triple effect of dance with death it not applied anymore.
Is it just a problem with tooltips in the character sheet or is the "always low life" status not correctly applied ?

I see the same effect with a idol which "increased DoT while at low health" : I lose its effect on my tooltips when I get above 35% HP

[strong crescent]

Does the Abomination passive Spoils of War which grants it the ability Double Strike benefit from the Necrosage and Containmed Dreams passives? Cuz to be me seems like the cooldown of the ability does not go down.

[charred ridge]

bug report it

and thank you for testing

and for your answer, go to the training dummies, use something like harvest, see if you do different damage at low and high health

[bleak cypress]

hey cuties, can someone send a nice abom build? i kinda enjoy the big guy slap machine but idk how to build him lmao

[charred ridge]

shouldn't be hard to test

or even better, use a DoT

since DoTs don't have damage variance (but hits do)

like spirit plague i guess

[lyric idol]

what primordial are yall going for?

[harsh warren]

bleed gloves >:D

[unborn egret]

these ones are the one im rocking

[rancid sedge]

Finally got a flay build online, very barebones but it works

[versed fox]

Ez lowlife chest

[left whale]

Finally

[lyric idol]

astral blood? yeah I can buy that rn but I can't decide between that and the dagger lol

[tender ridge]

got one of these for my BM. increased minion area is so nice

[left whale]

Yea

[harsh warren]

very good implicits on that one too

[versed fox]

What even counts as dex for us?

Seems sick though

[lyric idol]

Flay

[charred ridge]

i wish the dagger could fit in more builds

cus i love ms

[lyric idol]

same

I love that we get so much MS from the tree and reaper form

[versed fox]

Oh wow I didn't notice that

Thanks

I do still think prioritizing survivability is the right play

[charred ridge]

gonna have to figure out a melee void dex stacking rogue to get that 300% movespeed

[versed fox]

The chest is a lot better than the other two options

I'm mildly confused on how to get it with LP though

[lyric idol]

I agree haha

you just buy it from the vendor and hope

[versed fox]

Can I slap it in the weaver tree and get it to drop?

Dang

Wack

[charred ridge]

nemesis time

[lyric idol]

beasts can drop primordial uniques but it's rare

[versed fox]

True

[lyric idol]

oh well could be worse I guess

[charred ridge]

gauntlet of strife time

[grand canopy]

what ways are there to have cleanse on a lich?

[charred ridge]

just belt affixes afaik

[waxen dragon]

i was wondering the same thing mine is doing that too . i lose all low life effects when above 35% hp even with corrupted which should always be on low life

[ivory sequoia]

I don't have access to arena zone yet so I can't test on dummies rn. I submitted a bug report for at least the tooltips part

[dark snow]

what are poeple are doing with abomination

[charred axle]

Speaking of I saw something that the T. rex unsummons it when it buffs it with roar? Is that still a thing? It’s exactly the kinda setup I was hoping to do

[ashen bluff]

I wouldn't be surprised if this is bugged, easiest way to test if its just tooltip is to go hit a training dummy at <35% and above

[ashen bluff]

there's a bug where it can unsummon when roaring again if it roared when you were making an abom or something iirc

[earnest lichen]

Today is the day I get my gloves surely

[ashen bluff]

basically any change to stats or skills related to abom can unsummon it to prevent snapshotting

you can however still snapshot shades on it afaik

[waxen dragon]

yeah ill try that thanks

[charred axle]

So what’s the work around here? Time your abom summon to happen between roars?

[ashen bluff]

idk, I guess if thats the exact bug? I've not played it just heard something to that effect

[charred axle]

Hmm bummer, it makes it harder for me to plan the tyrant as my first primordial purchase

[ashen bluff]

I've also heard ppl say they've never had the roar unsummon but 🤷

[charred axle]

What’s the shade snapshot? I’m a necro noob

[ashen bluff]

you can spec both shades throw em on then unspec em

works basically as long as you don't die or go to town

[charred axle]

That sounds like a pain, but if I ever got to uber with it seems worth the effort

[sharp bobcat]

what is the blue-green-ish thing upper half? it's not ward

[harsh warren]

da hell

[raw tapir]

i've seen that before

[charred ridge]

it is ward though

[jovial lotus]

It's ward

[charred ridge]

why would you think it's not

[coarse bear]

It is ward with the 50% node

[sullen wind]

@charred ridge 👀

[obtuse quest]

It's ward.

[sharp bobcat]

but the numbers dont match

alright

[obtuse quest]

Don't worry, that number is always off

[charred ridge]

hey lol

[sharp bobcat]

okay thanks guys

[sullen wind]

What build you runnin Noob?

[charred ridge]

mana stacking flay

and you?

[drowsy anvil]

If I have 100% then I can have 1000 ward with a bit of regen?

[sullen wind]

I was building a bear.. but just too slow, so gonna try a flay build I guess.. after I level up

[charred ridge]

still playing IEH2?

[sullen wind]

you know it 😛

hitting my head against the wall for minor, if any, gains

[ashen bluff]

bear was slow? <_<

[sullen wind]

Maybe not a FinnBear.

[charred ridge]

had the itch to come back recently but there was kinda too much development since i played so it was a bit annoying to get back on it lol

[sullen wind]

Just primalist itself was, for me. I also suck.. So there is that.

[obtuse quest]

No, you need way more than 100% lmao

[ashen bluff]

nah I'm slow, eq bear on the other hand oneshots all content

[sullen wind]

lmao yea fair. I'd prob wait for WA2 anyways.

[sullen wind]

maybe it's just cause my gear, and I. both suck.

[eager raven]

can only one overload be active at a time? seems i either only get a poison or a bleed overload, even if theres over 25 stacks of both

[gaunt abyss]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/zig250qz
any idea on how to improve sustain?

[charred ridge]

good to see you here though lol

[sullen wind]

I enjoyed lich last season so.. figured i'd give it a go again.

like wise, noob.

[drowsy anvil]

Are there minions providing you with ward when they hit?

[charred ridge]

the lich revamp is great

[sullen wind]

flay does look pretty sweet.

[charred ridge]

i didn't think they'd be able to pull it off that well

most fun I've had in LE since 1.0

[rancid sedge]

ill switch to mana stacking flay later on I think

[left whale]

Yea

Iam playing minion explosion

Each minion death gives me like 60 ward

[drowsy anvil]

Doesn’t it mean they give you ward upon their death?)

[left whale]

Yea

[gaunt abyss]

its good, but having wrong gear hurst so muchhhhh
also mobs hit LOT harder

need to be more tanky

[drowsy anvil]

I have 202 regen, 109% and it holds at 1210

[green quail]

if i convert aura of decay to blood this will act as blood taken less dmg ? rite

i think so

i just wanted to be sure

[obtuse quest]

Yes, less physical dot damage taken

[green quail]

thak u so much

[green quail]

i ask im sorry at times i sec guess my self on what i read

[gaunt abyss]

this game have SO MUCH READING

[green quail]

yes it does i just ask to make sure im reading it correctly is all

[charred ridge]

don't apologise you're fine

[gaunt abyss]

its good, lot of times no one sure what the writing means XD

[green quail]

no joke llol

[gaunt abyss]

what you ppl think on the CB lich on maxroll?

[coarse bear]

Honestly lot of the converts are not explained anywhere. Anyone know if I convert wandering spirits to poison, can they shred poison res instead of necrotic?

[barren scroll]

Is Cleaver Solution worth going for on T Rex Acolyte? Int sources seem a lot more accessible than Str sources for that class.

[drowsy anvil]

The poison itself shreds its res🤔

[coarse bear]

Yeah but they have a node to shred res of enemies they pass through...

[wintry flame]

No

[remote quail]

Just looking at the new Flay Skill now, does this allow the marrow shards to hit the initial target as well such as a boss or rare enemy, or does it need to be a separate target in order to trigger?

[drowsy anvil]

Typically, converts convert all nodes that will not get any sense applied to the skill if those remained unconverted

[strong crescent]

Does the Abomination passive Spoils of War which grants it the ability Double Strike benefit from the Necrosage and Containmed Dreams passives? Cuz to be me seems like the cooldown of the ability does not go down.

[little wigeon]

yes it hits the initial target if you read the alt text

[remote quail]

Oh I didn't notice that bit, thank you

[plush loom]

Any blood ghostflame players around? how do you even begin to solve mana for this? it just feels like SOOOOOO much work to even channel for a few seconds at a time

[green quail]

yea im over here wondering why im taking so much dmg from aura of decay lol and i see that i dont have that node max....so maybe i should ge tthat goin xD

[harsh warren]

sources of regen/ward gen, plus maxed res will help as well

[green quail]

yes i have over caped rite now

on phy

[harsh warren]

a t7 ward gen hat and an opulent focus let me run my aura of decay fairly well

[green quail]

just i dont have the node that has less dmg taken from it

[harsh warren]

i think i only have one point in it

[green quail]

yea rite now gear is the hard to find lol

[harsh warren]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/profile/barbariankitten/character/BloodyKitten this is what i've got rn

[green quail]

yea when i get the gear ill see bout taking more out to put some ware els on the last act now havnt made it to end game yet

yea im doin a lvling one rite now

[harsh warren]

leveling was fairly strugglebus until i lucked out on the exalted ward generation hat

[green quail]

yes hahah

[harsh warren]

once it let me sustain easily i started plowing enemies over

[green quail]

that is what im dealing with rite now lol

yes i love the fact i kow ill just nuke them once i get this goin so im just pushing threw rite now

[harsh warren]

I'm missing a lot of the force multipliers I want

but it's working, mostly, at the moment

[green quail]

rite now im useing reaper form but im not seeing a point in to it other than whe yr about to die lol

[harsh warren]

yea it's a full heal panic button

I might spec outta transplant to spec either death seal or reaper form

[drowsy anvil]

honestly, in this game ward is only useful if you can quickly gain and maintain 5k+, I think🤔 Regen is more for beauty and to not fall off the first oneshot

[green quail]

mite do death seal then im not digging reaper form

[harsh warren]

I'm torn between wanting to run blood of the exile vs last steps of the living

30% more ward per sec vs int, speed, bleed duration, phys dot on bosses

[raw tapir]

rn I use it bcz it's cool af

[green quail]

hard part is lol i like transplant bc of the rang bc no point if i have reaper bc there both on cd once i use them

[harsh warren]

oh ill be keeping transplant

[green quail]

yea i like the form

[harsh warren]

i'm just using reaper unspec'd right now

[obtuse quest]

Just take the node that makes their cd seperate

[green quail]

its look cook

yea but that 200% tho lol

[harsh warren]

no way in hell i'd run something without a movement skill

[green quail]

xD

yea no shit same here lol

i gota have movment skill lol

xD

[harsh warren]

does killing an enemy affected by bone curse count as it timing out for the purposes of the node that casts rip blood?

(this node)

[urban night]

yoooo

[gray mesa]

You guys playing flay, is it fun?

[harsh warren]

it's nice as a gap closer in my build

[jagged marten]

would like to try flay but im almost 80 with no boots or TT lol

[main badge]

whats a decent lelving build for lich

[heavy crater]

Any particular items that contributed to this? Or just the basic skills/passives

[main badge]

rip blood until monos?

[gray mesa]

Ahh, so you’re just using it for movement? 🙂

[harsh warren]

sort of, i'm using it to boost my aura of decay

it spreads bleeds, applies bleeds, and does a short jump

also boosts aura of decay aoe and damage

[charred ridge]

most fun I've had in LE

[harsh warren]

I wish I could goose out a bit more movement but i don't want to turn it into a traversal

[main badge]

whats skills are good to level with lich, or it almost seems like most people just level as a warlcok and then switch?

[harsh warren]

warlock has a really easy time leveling with fissure

i used rip blood and spirit plauge till i could get aura of decay to not kill me

[errant patrol]

rerolled to totem shaman and i think i have better survivability at lvl 30 than lich at 70

[proud pilot]

@charred ridge how is the lich going? does cb damage proc as we thought?

[urban night]

it's like flicker strike from poe basically

you just constantly teleporting through the map

so ye its fun

[lost gale]

it's more like consecrated path than flicker strike. If you're out of range but close you teleport to them and attack, if you're close you just attack but you don't teleport between enemies at random

[proud sonnet]

Whats more Damage- Crit Rogues or Poison Rogues?

[urban night]

ye maybe, i never played consecrated path

damn, sadge only +1+1

[abstract summit]

Surely it's holiday time 😄

Holy these 3lps are rolling in today lol

[slender harbor]

Anyone having issues where chaos bolts projectiles dont fire on the third click?

[brisk elk]

wtf

[civic finch]

hmmm i think my poison is decent

[quick flower]

how is the abomination necro compare to flay harvert lich?

[lavish axle]

So Im running cold minions for leveling. My archers with cold arrow and my cryomages are not applying any stacks of chill

[urban night]

DAMN

[brisk elk]

completely different builds

minions are a different ballgame

[queen hawk]

Is it me or are all warlock builds gone from all tier lists on Maxroll?

[ashen bluff]

maxroll trying to hide the true gems again

[queen hawk]

😄

[quick flower]

minions in this season is a total win over others?

[brisk elk]

if you like minions

its just a very different playstyle

not strictly better or worse

[lavish axle]

yeah theres something going on with archer and mages not applying chill or ignite...

[earnest lichen]

Literally me rn trying to figure out if there is a lock build I should swap to

[astral kettle]

Can you have Abomination and other minions out at the same time?

[radiant vessel]

yeah abom will eat as many or as few minions as u want

[abstract summit]

For next time, put some flat on that beauty im begging you

[urban night]

i have other one that will be flat

most of my flat comes from dex anyway

[astral kettle]

I want Abomination to consume all minions i have out upon summon and then I want to resummon minions so that they all fight together. Is that possible?

[civic finch]

Aura of decay really is doing its work here

[radiant vessel]

kinda yes, the minions that fight along side him cant be the ones he ate

[earnest lichen]

Aod kinda strong rn

[radiant vessel]

for example, you can feed him wraiths and zombies then have him fight alongside skeletons

or vise versa

[civic finch]

my gear for it is quite good as well

[astral kettle]

ohhhh I thought I could resummon skeletons after he eats them.

[earnest lichen]

Sheesh

[radiant vessel]

nah he just eats them again

theres a gross micro thing u can do to stop him from eating but its not worth it lol

[astral kettle]

ok thanks

[civic finch]

I'll turn this poison damage in tier 8, should increase it even further

[earnest lichen]

Not using a primordial?

[civic finch]

Nope

[earnest lichen]

Think you're the first person I've seen so far going for a t8 over a prim

[civic finch]

There's no prim that boost DOT nor poison

Atleast as far as i know there isn't

[earnest lichen]

Only dot one i saw was the bleed gloves

[viral beacon]

plus the natural poison res reduction and massive penetration from the overload 💚

[civic finch]

i'll swap those gloves but this is what i'm rocking atm

[barren lintel]

even if you dont have anything else to grab reliquary nest is pretty stupid especially if you are poison lich

[obtuse quest]

Do they have chance to chill?

[civic finch]

my relic gives 4 levels of AOD

not worth swapping

[obtuse quest]

Does AoD even need that 4 levels?

[lavish axle]

100% on mages to chill

[obtuse quest]

What does poison AoD even need skill points for

[civic finch]

Need, no, its good to have tho

[obtuse quest]

Then I got no idea. I know skeleton archers don't have natural chance to chill

[barren lintel]

over 60% effect on 88% damage idols? doubt

[civic finch]

Lol just got 2 lizard nukes, nice

[lavish axle]

I took the passive "Wisp Weaver" node too to test it and nothing. Ive swapped to Fire as well and none of them are applying ignite either

[inner void]

Guys stupid question is there a good build for flay lich ?

[obtuse quest]

Fire skeletons don't have ignite chance

[civic finch]

On that, i can have the same thing by making my weapon t8 so its fine

[obtuse quest]

Nor do they convert anything.

[lavish axle]

archers get fire arrow which ignites

[obtuse quest]

Fire arrows do not ignite.

[quick flower]

why the loot lizard guaranteed uniquedoes not work?

weird

[quick flower]

do i have to relog after leveled it?

[civic finch]

It very much does work

[quick flower]

tats why... its weird for me

hmmm

let me restart my game and try

[junior elbow]

what are the weapon stats to look for as a warlock/lich who is focusing on physical spell/bleed build (trying AoD+Rip Blood/Marrow+Fissure/Flay, didnt set on a class)?

[brisk elk]

well for flay bleed you will want axe+dagger

[civic finch]

thats... a creative build

lol

[brisk elk]

for warlock its very different

[obtuse quest]

I know, but the backend says that the arrows do not ignite.

[pearl snow]

Kzb I dont think my spell poison. Lich set up is gonna make it once I hit empowered monoliths LOL

I have a sneaking suspicion. I either need to somehow get 100% cast speed

Or stop

[obtuse quest]

The primodial lets you do quite a few things like hyper big AoD area, or just get 300+% poison damage while AoD is up.

(And about 120% more poison chance if you're low life)

At least

[lavish axle]

Ok ignoring the skill and back end contradicting, Pyro mages convert poison to ignite which I have at 100% and they don’t add a single stack

[obtuse quest]

Yeah THAT one is an issue, bug report it.

[charred ridge]

yes

[brisk elk]

i would pick a class first

to be honest

those are two very different setups

basically do you want to be melee or a caster

then work from there

im happy to help if you have questions

[obtuse quest]

Tbh even lich can play caster, so it's a matter of setup.

[junior elbow]

i was thinking of trying this node.
and go with the caster

[pearl snow]

Yeah lich casting is great

[obtuse quest]

A spell damage focused setup is different from a bleed focused setup

[obtuse quest]

L

[brisk elk]

i dont reccomend that, manual cast rip blood is probably better

[obtuse quest]

Don't worry my old poison AoD setup died at 200c lmao

[pearl snow]

Lmao Ill see how it feels there. I really don’t want to put on a ladel just for cast speed

[versed fox]

We've got two uniques you want. The bleed axe and the parry dagger.

[obtuse quest]

LMAO

[abstract summit]

there are only good builds for flay lich 👀 (okay maybe dont spec marrowshard)

[obtuse quest]

Don't go crit AND bleed, that's bad.

[brisk elk]

i dont think flay can proc chaos bolts or marrow shards if you convert it to spell

[brisk elk]

not if you're warlock tho lol

[abstract summit]

it cannot indeed

procs are on melee

[versed fox]

Crit gets converted so it's fine

The value is from the levels

[brisk elk]

you really don't need the levels

[lucid olive]

are frost minions just bad ? Im trying to use them and they barely do damage

[brisk elk]

if you're bleed you might as well go double axe or 2h since there are no good bleed daggers

[pearl snow]

Poison dagger, then convert to bleed

[torn plume]

does anyone know whats this orange tentacle that attacks when i cast fissure/chaos bolts?

[abstract summit]

flame whip?

[brisk elk]

meh

[torn plume]

what skill node is it from?

cant seem to find it

[abstract summit]

passive tree on lock

[torn plume]

oh passive, thank you

[versed fox]

Dagger gives you a lot of attack speed on flay

[brisk elk]

i really don't think the 48% attack speed is worth more than what axes can do for bleed but i guess it depends

[versed fox]

The second bleed axe is also pretty mid iirc

[abstract summit]

everybody posting 3 LP daggers and im happy i could finally finish the campagin lol

[versed fox]

Unless there's a third I forgot

[brisk elk]

there are like 4

plus you can just use an exalted dragonbone axe for 100% bleed on the base

[abstract summit]

wait wasnt this supposed to be nerfed to 10%?

[charred ridge]

no

just patch note typos

[abstract summit]

hooolyyyy

[junior elbow]

Are physical spell/bleed warlock builds viable? around rip blood and physical converted fissure?
i envision the blood mage with a lot of leech and bleed
is it possible? if yes, then what are the main stats to look for there? just the gists if you can

[abstract summit]

i counted with 30% all this time 😄

[brisk elk]

yeah but you want to use chaos bolts

and stack cold res

probably

chaos bolts has big multis for bleed

more dot dmg per missing health and more phys dot per cold res

and chaos bolts can proc rip blood

[lost cliff]

guuys when should i switch from necro to flay lich

[versed fox]

Mm that's fair, but you could slam that

I do also run chaos bolts

Procs rip blood and harvest

[junior elbow]

ah, alright
thank you
and about survivability - is it better to HP max or low life (i was thinking of sanguin armor to counter self-bleed from Aura of Decay)?

[pallid plume]

Physical dmg per cold res sounds wrong....

Why is it not physical dmg per physical res

[brisk elk]

for chaos bolts bleed you want to be low life and get a lot of max health

because you get 1% more dot per 20 life

[versed fox]

You go low life and hp max

[brisk elk]

the gloves that give you ward ret per cold res synergize with the whole low life theme

[pallid plume]

The new chest might actually be good for this

[versed fox]

It's incredible for it

It's the new best one

Exsang only gives 20% missing health as ward

Shroud even less

[brisk elk]

exsang also makes you immune to your own bleed

btw

[versed fox]

True, but that doesn't feel super necessary once you have the node to have dots bypass ward

[brisk elk]

also can probably get more ward than architect's cap

but idk

maybe worth

[lost cliff]

guys when should i switch from leveling to flay lich am 50 atm

[versed fox]

Once you get flay

It's so good

[lost cliff]

and when is that

[versed fox]

30 points into lich?

[brisk elk]

also the new primordial blood gloves seem really nice for mapping

explosions and bleed prolif for better clear

plus converts every ailment to bleed

[lost cliff]

could u link the build u using