💀┃acolyte

[lost gale]

that really depends on how much increased & pen your build has. 20% increased is going to be more valuable than the first 1% pen if you have less than 2000% increased which is a pretty safe assumption

[tall mural]

There is, there always is, that's how math works and this game follows it's own. I just dont know the specific range, most games do it around 20:1 in my experience, hence my example.

[serene lichen]

I have 450k % increased spell damage on a character getting another 200% doesn’t do anything but going from 0 to 5% penetration is millions of dps

[tall mural]

I literally gave an example about diminishing returns, I never said the formula would be exact but ok

[serene lichen]

Ok but no

Just don’t even think of it like a rule of thumb or rough ratio that is static

[tall mural]

lol, we'll just agree to disagree, not worth the chat space

[serene lichen]

Respect

[ripe fossil]

What's the chance they overlooked a weird interaction with Soul Barrier and Corrupted Form? 🤔

[serene lichen]

But I’m not agreeing to disagree, because that would mean I agreed.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter

[tall mural]

Not what that means but ok, we'll keep on keepin on

[old hull]

And just to be clear, AoD gets 4% inc damage per int also, and its 1% resist reduction per int can be used to support all your poison/phys/cold DOT skills not just AoD's own damage

[naive nimbus]

not even just dot skills, any builds doing those damage types, even hit-based, can make use of that resistance shred

[abstract summit]

Kinda

[tender ridge]

there's technically also shroud of obscurity, but it's just worse in every scenario

unless I guess if you have dodge cap then it might be better

[abstract summit]

Once you go drain life ward gen that's all your sustain, so you kinda need a sufficient amount (unless you get wars gen from an alternative source)

[tender ridge]

i got sucked into the spreadsheet sim hellhole

channeling my inner FrozenSentinel

[abstract summit]

I had a 4 lp shroud one so wouldn't say every scenario, but 99% ye 😄

[tender ridge]

lol

shroud could use a buff. it's basically just exsanguinous-at-home

[pulsar raven]

wall of nothing looks tempting no? And now with 10% missing life on the tree exsang isnt so important?

[tender ridge]

or you could have 10% + exsang

[abstract summit]

10% isn't enough once you commit imo

The standard used to be last steps + exsang + gloves experimental

[tender ridge]

with max rolled gloves/laststep you get up to 65%

which is kinda nuts

you're getting 2/3 of your health bar per second in ward at that point

[abstract summit]

But again this discussion is always gonna be highly context specific, if you are getting 5k/s ward from rip blood or something or 3k from erased ring or have 20k life then ye sure it might be enough

Assuming an average 3kish HP lich, no OP side ward gen ways you would want as much as you can get

[earnest lichen]

both my gloves and boots are kinda taken already so it would only be chest for me

bleed build moment

[abstract summit]

Okay well no twisted heart is a different story

[tender ridge]

twisted heart should be all the ward you need assuming you have leech lol

[earnest lichen]

Does rip blood count as necrotic

[earnest lichen]

How do you get so much ward from rb? just from the leech/lifesteal?

[abstract summit]

I dont know if you do, some folks are pretty hopeful about it tho 😄
Ye blood orb healing turned into ward, and triggering the max amount through chaos bolt and the new unique boots

[earnest lichen]

Might have to give that a try

Not using cb tho

[tender ridge]

isn't the chaos bolt rip blood rate-limited

I'd imagine self casting it would give the most per second, but I doubt that's stacking the most bleeds per second

[abstract summit]

Ye 5.5 rips total per seconds with boots and cb

[gloomy crystal]

it is but still beats casting it normally damage wise, it's there mostly as a ward gen in most builds

[tender ridge]

5.5 rips/s is gonna be better than self casting most of the time honestly

[earnest lichen]

[tender ridge]

crazy that chaos bolt can shotgun but hungering souls, which doesn't have a stacking dot, can't

[earnest lichen]

It'll be good trust

[gloomy crystal]

for bleed no chance you're ditching the bleed boots so rip blood might not even be worth speccing and instead going into bone curse and leaving rip blood unspecced

[tender ridge]

bolts also has the node that scales its physical ailment damage off your freeze rate multi. just another vector to scale with

[tribal kayak]

does reaper form's health drain bypass ward?

[junior rampart]

it can with the weapon

[tender ridge]

yeah but chaos bolts does it out the box and with more utility/damage

[vivid ruin]

For acidbane (+1%cc per 10% poison damage). Would % increase to all damage applpy it?)

[quick zinc]

Has anyone tried cooking an Abomination build with Aaron's Will & 5 maximum golems for stomp shenanigans?

[charred ridge]

yes

[visual girder]

Who up lasting they epoch

[whole geode]

ok i spent too much time theorycrafting this https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbRnRjDQ
it's a melee lich using hp regen + shattered lance + legends entwined with some attribute scaling on top
the idea is to use flay as a semi dmg skill that procs chaos bolts that in turn proc harvest as my main source of dmg

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,827, Regen: 2,140.16/s
▸ Mana: 340.51, Regen: 16.16/s
▸ Ward Retention: 215%, Regen: 617/s
▸ Attributes: 65 Str / 79 Dex / 81 Int / 24 Att / 77 Vit
▸ Resistances: 64% / 104% / 64% / 83% / 122% / 245% / 194%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 55%, Threshold: 1,431
▸ Dodge Chance: 37% (1300)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 58% (4,152)

Used skills:

Flay / Harvest / Transplant / Aura Of Decay / Chaos Bolts

[whole geode]

its a wacky build but at least i tried to keep the gearing reasonable

[tender ridge]

stacking HP regen on lich feels heretical

[whole geode]

if only reaper form didn't turn that off

tbh i was just trying to figure out what's a good way to get a lot of % dmg on a melee cold lich build and that's where that idea started

[elder solstice]

why all the health regen

[whole geode]

shattered lance set bonus

[tender ridge]

actually seems pretty sweet

but a nightmare to gear for

[whole geode]

also in a way it kinda fits the hybrid hp + ward build when you combo it with vessel

yeah not planning to league start this, not even sure how rare legends entwined will be but it's a build i plan to switch to once i get the gear

[spring fossil]

For Abomination in the new patch, do you still have to resummon when you change zones? Like if you switch from monos to a dungeon does it despawn the abomination?

[tender ridge]

you might have some mana troubles with all the bolts going off, but that does look like a sweet cold flay take

[elder solstice]

hey guys I'm swedish and would love to play on launch with someone, I dont mind speaking english but preferably someone close so the lag doesnt hit too hard, please dm if ure down

[tender ridge]

you might find more success in the LFG channel

[elder solstice]

yeah i tried there too seems pretty dead

not easy finding friends ay

[whole geode]

yeah i am worried about that as well, as long as the bolts hit i should be getting my mana spent on them back but who knows how good the auto targetting is, added some mana regen but not sure if thats enough

i speced transplant for mana generation so i feel like it should be enough but will see

[tall mural]

mana on potion use experimental affix would help for those low points

[wintry flame]

any necro cooks? frostbite maybe?

[tender ridge]

do any of the minions actually apply frostbite naturally? Frost mages convert poison to chill don't they?

[molten bramble]

I think the only mana troubles you will have is if you are crazy overkilling things and you only get like 3-4 cb mana refund and you get like 20 non refunds

but if that is the case you are already at 2k+ mana so I do not think it is an issue

you can also just go up in corruption so you dont overkill by that muhc

[tender ridge]

Lich's Scorn gives an amount of frostbite chance

[wintry flame]

not naturally but you can get few hundred percentage now and you can scale the little bit on lich's

[tender ridge]

yeah

[charred ridge]

just press harvest tbh

[tender ridge]

Mages probably have the best potential for it with mana stacking

[molten bramble]

Yeah if the enemies are so weak they are dying to 3-4 cb's then harvest will for sure just 1 tap them and refund a bunch of mana too

[wintry flame]

I think archer's + an archmage or with all mages might be good too

[charred ridge]

can just hit a rare

dont necessarily have to kill mobs

[molten bramble]

either or

[tender ridge]

archers seems tough because not many multipliers like you said the other day

[molten bramble]

sometimes finding a rare when low on mana is problematic

[tender ridge]

fire arrow doesn't convert to FB either, just gives a freeze rate instead

[charred ridge]

well iuno

usually you're either hitting rare mobs or those things that drop memory ambers

[wintry flame]

yeah I like their ability to freeze

[tender ridge]

true, it does be freezin

[wintry flame]

it's tough how bad they both are tho

[tender ridge]

you almost certainly want the lich's scorn effect somehow but I doubt you use the set item itself

[charred ridge]

so whats the lich leveling tech

[tall mural]

go warlock and respec

[charred ridge]

damn who wouldve thought

[wintry flame]

the pen is huge, you get more multis at least with cold dot via AoD multi + pen, passive for pen, lich's, and dread shade now

[charred ridge]

just get carried by fissure?

[tall mural]

in all seriousness I think you could do bleed harvest and you'd be fine

[tender ridge]

yeah really depends on how much of "effects converted to cold" gets inherited

[charred ridge]

im down to lock if that's faster

[tender ridge]

pretty sure it's just the flat/inc necrotic gets converted

the cold pen is sick though

[wintry flame]

wait what @tender ridge ?

[tall mural]

oh lock 100% faster

[wintry flame]

I meant scale the frostbite via dread shade effect

[charred ridge]

i just never league started on acolyte

[wintry flame]

like the low life node

[charred ridge]

leveled a couple times with fissure but always with twink gear

[tall mural]

even without gear you wont really have an issue with it

[tender ridge]

do you mean the low life node in dread shade itself?

[wintry flame]

yeh

[charred ridge]

yeah sounds about right

it doesnt really get better than dropping a fissure and afking does it, for a league start

😂

[tall mural]

I wish we had an easier way to get damned on hit

[tender ridge]

oh well yeah you'd want that regardless. I was talking about converting the necrotic boosts to cold boosts with the offhand

[wintry flame]

yeah I'm saying use the set item tho

[tender ridge]

we might just be getting things tangled trying to talk at the same time

[wintry flame]

cause the frostbite scales with that node

[tender ridge]

oooh I didn't know dread shade effect would affect item bonuses. i thought itw as just the stuff on the skill itself

like Lich's scorn is one of the few set items that's good on its own, but if the affix shard converted more you could get more out of a minion offhand

[wintry flame]

haha no it affects those too, that's why I snapshotted abom with it in s2 for crit rogues, you get so much flat

[wintry flame]

true, the conversion not being a hybrid mod was troll imo

[tender ridge]

I haven't played a ton of necro. I did play a cold zoo build a long time ago back when it was still mediocre but playable

i wanna use cold golem but idk if there's really room for it. you're gonna be stacking vit anyway for the more minon DoT, so you'd get freeze value out of the cold golem spell

[wintry flame]

I'm a golem hater

[tender ridge]

bone bro is my homie

you probably do AoD here for the sweet DoT boost that gets converted

[wintry flame]

yes for sure

[tall mural]

Against my better judgement Im gonna just go out the gate with hit based rip blood to get to the new chaining node

[wintry flame]

last skill is like Chaos Bolts for frost bite or I do Abom to get the lowlife effect

[tender ridge]

i actually do think you go archmage just because the skill pathing is pretty awkward otherwise

getting to the extra mage node goes through crit nodes or death knight

[radiant vessel]

What's the move with the T-Rex? I figured it would be a zoo thing but so far I've only seen it in builds alongside abom, which seemed kinda lame to me

[tender ridge]

@wintry flame here's my very uneducated first take with just passives and base 20 points https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEp18N7Q

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (56) / Lich (23) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 1,415, Regen: 39.2/s
▸ Mana: 139.51, Regen: 10.72/s
▸ Ward Retention: 85%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 35 Int / 2 Att / 33 Vit
▸ Resistances: 27% / 27% / 27% / 6% / 6% / 60% / 51%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 283
▸ Armor Mitigation: 7% (151)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Summon Skeleton / Aura Of Decay / Chaos Bolts

[abstract summit]

estimate how many stacks you will have up, open tunklab check the associated multiplier, multiply your total damage with the number

[tender ridge]

didn't know tunklab had an armor shred calc

ty

need to find a way to rename tabs in firefox

been like this for days

[wintry flame]

yeah this is kinda what I had in mind, but idk might do the abom for the effect and just run archers or mages

idkkkk

[tender ridge]

abom is what everyone else is already doing

[wintry flame]

yeah he's not doing damage, just using him as a buff holder haha

[abstract summit]

think fist rule is 100 stacks kinda 50% more non phys, caps out around 57% more non phys by... 175ish

[tender ridge]

also with how little damage the archers actually do, there might be some value in speccing bone golem to go full roid mage instead

[radiant vessel]

f12, then in console type document.title='big naturals lich'

[craggy flax]

anyone worked out a loop with Abom eating Skeletons that Self Revive and that give you Mana and eating Zombies that Sacrifice and spawn Infernal Shades
going to scale Infernal Shade + Sac damage I think

[tender ridge]

ty

[tender ridge]

yeah it starts to plateau pretty hard around 100 stacks

shred puts me at ~1.5m

and that's a very small amount

[abstract summit]

Dummy or lvl100

[tender ridge]

lvl100

[abstract summit]

Is this flay crit dex stack melee specced marrow?

[tender ridge]

nope

[abstract summit]

Mixing ppl sry 😄

I mean that's certainly not bad

[tender ridge]

marrow shards self cast purist 😤

[abstract summit]

Holy

You like pain huh

[tender ridge]

marrow shards is fun. bone splinters is actual suffering

the buff to marrow shards' base damage and damage effectiveness brings it very close to bone splinters damage wise, but without the god awful targetting

[abstract summit]

How many casts you can do self casted a second?

[tender ridge]

3/s, doubled to 6

[lucid jetty]

Do you think that its possible to build a a warlock/lich build on skills:

• transplant
• rip blood
• marrow shard (triggered by reap blood)
• golems
• bone curse
  ?

[tender ridge]

well it's actually 6.5/s after the doubling but it's close enough

[abstract summit]

So you could do 4.5 through flay with extra flat from melee and an extra more multi from deadly 😄

I didnt assume anybody would ever want to self cast shards but hey if you like it, certainly everything viable with that dps apsrt from uber

[tender ridge]

yeah i've killed aberroth with regular bone shards before

[abstract summit]

Or well a 5 minutesish kill

[tender ridge]

it's got a very satistfying sound

audio and visual feedback is pretty important to me in a build tbh. part of why smelter's wrath was so satisfying is the crazy screen shake

it helps that it also goes THUNK on health bars when it actually connects

[abstract summit]

Ah an FG enthusiast, say no more

Ye whatever keeps you playing is the best build

[quick zinc]

I have a rip blood -> Marrow Shards Lich build I'm currently workshopping https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QWk3694Q

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Lich (92)

General:

▸ Health: 5,447, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 197.51, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 214%, Regen: 170/s
▸ Attributes: 34 Str / 21 Dex / 94 Int / 21 Att / 29 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 82% / 82% / 87% / 126% / 156% / 90%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 1,634
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (114)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 36% (1,933)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Death Seal / Transplant

[tender ridge]

there's room to build too. this is all pretty conservative gear. 1LP/2LP at most on stuff that's target farmable and single T7 affixes on exalts

[abstract summit]

Im in a little bit of trouble now cause poe2 announcement was kinda goated 👀
Dont think i could assemble the flay build in a week

[tender ridge]

I'll prob do PoE2 through the interlude chapters, then go back to LE

abyss is just recycled, and no new ascendancies

[abstract summit]

Ye but "auction house"

[tender ridge]

ye but when I play mostly group-found it's not as relevant lol

i am excited that they're FINALLY adding async trade after years of saying they would never

adding gold as an untradable personal currency really opened up a ton of design space for them from a systems perspective

thanks EHG for showing it's possible

[abstract summit]

Tbh I also firmly think it was ehg who inspired them, but they also learned it from last epoch that gold needs to be the untradeable currency lol

[tender ridge]

yeah for sure

[mighty tundra]

It looked amazing

I really want to play a dex build after that

I just have no idea what bow and spear skills scale and I don't want to play path of lightning spear

[modest escarp]

Does anyone know if the new Blood Rip will cause multiple orbs, or just 1 orb per cast even if many enemies are hit?

[kind forge]

multiple

one per enemy hit

i think that only applies to the innitial hit tho

[modest escarp]

Damn, are they smaller or is it just a huge buff

[kind forge]

so like it would ignore bloodsplatter or coagulated blood

[abstract summit]

That's kinda why we hope ward gen will be beeg

[kind forge]

both

it got nerfed from 10 base to 5

but now it multihits

[modest escarp]

Oh perfect

Leveling with the old shitty Lich tree rn and old Blood rip doesn't feel so shabby, I'm pumped to see how good it feels with the new one

[kind forge]

lol

[abstract summit]

You arent between lvl 35 and 50 are you 😄

[modest escarp]

...

maybe.

[abstract summit]

And it feels good?

[modest escarp]

Are you gonna make me sad rn

[abstract summit]

No the opposite

[modest escarp]

"doesn't feel so shabby"

[abstract summit]

That's supposed to be cbt

[modest escarp]

oh no, with bone curse and spirit plague it's fine, I'm stacking like 70+ stacks on bosses before they melt

Level 41, anyway

[tender ridge]

surely there's something to this

[spring fossil]

For Abomination in the new patch, do you still have to resummon when you change zones? Like if you switch from monos to a dungeon does it despawn the abomination?

[old hull]

iirc Jonathan outright said the positive reception to LE's trade setup was largely what pushed them to do async

[old hull]

You don't have to do that on current patch, it's just if you were snapshotting you'd need to redo your snapshots.
Most snapshotting is going away, and I think the main one that is not being removed, # of each type of minion you absorb to summon, already does persist through zone transition resummons in current patch.

So problem should be mostly nonexistent, but we'll see how true that is lol

[tender ridge]

is there a direct damage Cthonic Fissure build to be had or do you give up too much turning off the spirits

[glass nebula]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B70XWx6o
37 point flay build, thoughts?

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (93)

General:

▸ Health: 3,074, Regen: 44.4/s
▸ Mana: 127.74, Regen: 15.68/s
▸ Ward Retention: 205%, Regen: 173/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 160 Dex / 40 Int / 10 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 79% / 79% / 81% / 69% / 192% / 124%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 43%, Threshold: 922
▸ Dodge Chance: 63% (2822)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 16% (494)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Flay / Summon Skeleton / Rip Blood / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form

[whole geode]

the problem i always had coming up with direct dmg fissure build is that it costs way too much mana to spam, with spirits you treat is as a set and forget skill but you can't do that if you plan to hit stuff with it

[tender ridge]

I don't mean a hit build, but the actual DoT from sitting on the fissure

[whole geode]

lvl 37 skill

hmmm looking at the dmg effectiveness i doubt its really worth it building it that way

[vivid ruin]

I'm theorycrafing fire whip now. Lots of potential but doing damage calcs now.

[tender ridge]

nah not fire whip. that was already uber capable last patch

i'm specifically talking about the DoT from the fissure. I don't think it has enough modifiers to be worth it

this could actually add a pretty nuts amount of flat physical damage to a bleed converted CF using the new gloves

wait, no it probably can't. counts before conversions

booo

[whole geode]

to be fair even without the new gloves that gives so much flat dmg

[junior rampart]

if i use mask of indifference im immune to bleed from AoD(if conv to phys) right ?

[whole geode]

but yeah the mana issue still remains

[tender ridge]

yes

[whole geode]

yes

[junior rampart]

then the real question is would i need to be immune or i can sustain without it

[whole geode]

tbh i never tried building around AoD, do modifiers like bleed duration, dmg, pen etc. apply to the self bleed as well?

depending on whether they do or not it can either be very easy to sustain or impossible if you are a bleed focused build

[tender ridge]

I don't think your damage modifiers apply to the ailments applied by your own AoD. if they do it's dramatically reduced

[visual girder]

I am the one who plays aura of stink

[whole geode]

there's this "scales with stats" part in le tools that is worrysome

although poison chance does not apply to it, but i assume the others might?

[whole geode]

yeah chance to bleed only applies to enemies and not self

but dmg, duration pen

might apply to you as well if that's what "scales with stats" means

[junior rampart]

well im not a bleed build i just dont want to lose reaper from fast cuz of high stack of bleed

[whole geode]

oh then you might be fine but lich kinda has a lot of generic % increase dmg so i am not sure

[junior rampart]

well i mean 4-5 stack of bleed/bleed duration should be fine

[visual girder]

I mean

There's this primordial helm

that makes you completely immune to bleed

[junior rampart]

yeah thats what i want to use but do i really need it is the question

if i can sustain reaper form for a longer period of time on bosses i should be fine

[whole geode]

yeah i think its doable, was looking at some phys heavy build to get a rough idea on much dmg that is

even in this scenario 5 bleed stacks will deal roughly 700 dps without taking into account any form of dr

just the built in 50 and 30% less from AoD

in practice i doubt its gonna be over 300/400 dps even if you get some generic/phys dmg in your build

[junior rampart]

~500*4/3= ~666 dps without dr so yeah should be doable

AoD heals for around 150hp/s too

[old hull]

If anything, ailments applied by that DOT would have a better chance than the DOT itself. The real downside is it's hard to stack multiple fissures on a single enemy.

[tender ridge]

yeah you can likely get a pretty big bleed stack going with it

I don't remember ever having a problem stacking two on a single enemy with the node that makes two going in opposite directions. just sit up their butt and cast it

[old hull]

lol

A lot of enemies move at least a little, though

[visual girder]

Guys hear me out I’m going aod nova with flay while my friend goes Abom necro is this the dream team?

[slim mason]

Wonder if taste of blood modifies aod ebola aura

[visual girder]

Rabies curse when?

[slim mason]

Rip your gpu

[slim mason]

Frenzy?

[visual girder]

Nah I want the enemies to get rabies and kill each other or uberroth to start mauling himself

Give em rabies and psychosis

[slim mason]

Grim dAwn has that

[tender ridge]

that's true, but unlike upheaval the fissure does actually have a decent area. you've got a good bit of leeway on bosses

[coral lantern]

Has anybody ran numbers on a Wraith Master Build?

[slim mason]

Frenzy on mobs

[tender ridge]

and they tend to be stationary for long enough to get some damage in. except for lady harbinger

[junior rampart]

is this 1 singular chaos bolt or the skill itslef ?

i assume its a singular bolt

[calm dome]

yes. it shows in the description that 250 max mana is 2 chaos bolts with a 50% chance for a 3rd

[junior rampart]

hmm i would need 400mana for it to worth it

then i guess it does not really interact with

[old hull]

Correct, at least not directly

[vivid ruin]

Can someone explain the diff between use and cast delay?

Use delay 0.2, cast delay 1s. Does this mean I have to wait 0.2 or 1s after animation has finished to start casting again?

[abstract summit]

dont think it matters practically as both scale with cast speed

[vivid ruin]

Google tells me cast delay is a delay between casts that is unmodifiable. Did it lie?

[wintry flame]

Use delay = time after activating skill that it is used

[vivid ruin]

Better Q is. What is the cast speed formula, is it simply:

Is that formula accurate?

[wintry flame]

yupp and multiplied by any multiplers

[abstract summit]

i might be wrong here but it just tells you how the "animation time" is divided between the three(?) phases

[wintry flame]

just use the base speed value

[vivid ruin]

Ok. I was overthinking it then haha. Thanks.

[abstract summit]

now, if these dont scale with cast speed like VR... that's a different story kek but for skills it does the whole animation window will be shortened while keeping the relative proportions of the different phases

[vivid ruin]

Yea, so it's atalking about rhe phases of animations and is unrelated to the actually casts/s?

[abstract summit]

think so

otherwise im also fed lol

as far as i remember Mike talking about it every animation has a "windup", an "animation locked execution" and a "wind down" phase or something like that, but grain of salt, it's just a hazy memory

[vivid ruin]

Beats my non memory. Will roll with it until proven otherwise 😄

Thanks.

Acolyte gang unite. Potentially 3 acolytes in my house in 13 hours. Apes together strong.

[abstract summit]

apes together strong would be 3 BMs 😄

[wintry flame]

gonna be a fun time!

[vivid ruin]

Wouldn't be frogs together strong?

[abstract summit]

man imagine 3 froggers lol

[vivid ruin]

But yea, acolytes arent very apey.

[vivid ruin]

Almost makes me wanna do it.

If only Trex buffs hit ally minions.

[left whale]

I got 4 different minion builds planned

I cant wait

[radiant vessel]

aboms a gorilla for sure

[calm dome]

Do you guys see lich more as a DoT mastery or crit mastery?

with the changes

[old hull]

Yeah, something to do with when the skill actually creates its effects and when you are able to interrupt with a movement/defense skill

[winged temple]

I Will be playing Flay w Chaos Bot and Spirit Plague with Boné Curse.

[winged temple]

I Will be playing Flay w Chaos Bot and Spirit Plague with Bone Curse. Focus on DoT.

[kind forge]

alot more hit based but you can force a dot to work

the dot would probably be better on warlock tho

[calm dome]

I mean imo they made it a dot mastery. so many scalings for damage over time are on the tree now

[kind forge]

and if your bleed or poison you WILL steal warlock passives no matter what

[calm dome]

the generic damage increases and some crit stuff makes it crit viable though

[kind forge]

for their overload

[calm dome]

I am just disappointed they just forgot about damned

Lich being the damned dot mastery would make it interesting thematically to say the least

[kind forge]

warlock is the damned ascendancty

at least now

[vivid ruin]

styg current work on fire whips?

[kind forge]

warlock is the dot ascendancy in general but specifically damned and ignite

[calm dome]

show me a good damned build that isn't witchfire

[kind forge]

witchfire isnt a damned build

it just needs to trigger its overload to get witchfire out

damned is a pretty convenient dot on par with poison ngl

they both basically buff themselves

poison shreds poison res and thereby making poison stronger

damned reduces health regen and thereby making damned stronger against healing enemies

its just you dont really get enough to make it work

somehow they get outclassed by frostbite just by the raw dmg of the dot

and i forget why bleed is better lel

[forest mica]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALJr0jkB

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (81) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,038, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 304%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 12 Dex / 134 Int / 6 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 84% / 82% / 102% / 108% / 116% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 808
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,150)

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade

[forest mica]

Updated. Go back to double shade buff. @pallid plume

Summoned golem/skeleton mage without mastering them

I need to play Shaman to farm unique items what necromancer need and exalted items what slams need :)

[pearl snow]

Bleed has way more sources and high base dmg

[calm dome]

I think I will do mana stacking stygian beam bleed lich

🙂

[vivid ruin]

How come not poison? Was strong before and aod just got a lot stronger.

[calm dome]

The gloves that convert everything to bleed

[vivid ruin]

Ye, they are gangster tbh

[calm dome]

Pretty sure the ignite and damned chance on stygian coal will get converted

So just more bleed chance

[vivid ruin]

What limits the rate of flame whips with chaos bolts + scorched reach? If you're overloaded arent you just procing based on number of bolts x CB cast speed? Or is there something i'm missing?

[vivid ruin]

For sure

[obtuse quest]

You mean ignite overload’s flame whip spawn whenever you hit a boss or rare? ICD iirc

[vivid ruin]

I cant seem to find good info on overload. is it just a state you remain if if you keep satisfying the condition?

[obtuse quest]

It’s a 15 second buff

Starting from when you trigger it

No cooldown, but cannot be refreshed

[vivid ruin]

ah ok. So 100% uptime effectiv ely but cant keep procing it,. Ty. So that second node says something like "when you have overload, when you hit a boss/rare who is ignited, cast flame whip". Does this make you cast it with your cast rate and the mana cost? Or is it just autoproc'd like most skills worded that way?

[obtuse quest]

It’s a proc. No mana cost ignores cast rate, iirc it can only proc once every half second?

[vivid ruin]

That's based on the use delay on the spell or is that a global thing?

[obtuse quest]

Don’t quote me on that

[vivid ruin]

Surely it'd have to have a delay rate though otherwise cb would prob it constantly.

[obtuse quest]

Global, internal cooldown on that effect specifically

Like how bone curse’s cursed limbs recast also has a 1 second internal cooldown no matter how much you hit

[vivid ruin]

That checks out. Pity in game/planner doesnt have that info. This game is super interesting mechanically. I'm glad you seem to know just about everything.

[obtuse quest]

Does “being burned by how ass old Aura Of Decay was and then trying to build around it about 3 times in 3 different seasons” count?

[vivid ruin]

These are the same picture.

[versed grail]

will this new flay lich be able to kill uber?

[obtuse quest]

No confirms until we do it live basically.

Damage wise it seems okay, defense and player skill required to dodge his attacks is another

[vivid ruin]

Based on math, easily.

But we will see.

Is it true that acidskin and the added crit node related to it in fissure tree bypassing singularity's restriction?

[obtuse quest]

5 bucks says someone will eventually flay into a boss and get themselves killed because they forgot flay blinks

[obtuse quest]

It did due to how old singularity worked( set player’s crit to 0% but not accounting for enemy debuffs) Should be bug fixed already last I checked.

[abstract summit]

which one 😄

[queen acorn]

#💀┃acolyte message haven't put any thought into anything besides this build, but looking through the skill trees and passives, lich seems miserable for leveling and even mid-game. Gonna just go boring Abom until I can farm a set of 1LP items. Got a question about abom: how many skele respawn procs are required to hit the 20 minion cap? Is it 9? (wraith+golem+mage+8 warriors+9 respawns?) With an 80% resummon chance? Maybe worth to summon a couple extra wraiths if lazy and that's correct

[abstract summit]

but ye it looks like outside of like 10 people in this chat majority seems to be sleeping on necro crit flay potential and are mostly hyping bear BM / abo necro

we will see how it goes

[obtuse quest]

Oh hey it’s the guy that misread AoD and though we got free physical damage reduction-

Lich has always been the weakest within acolyte for leveling. But with the new rip blood chnages it should be much better than before.

9 is more or less correct, since you can channel it for as long as you want, it’s a matter of hitting the 20 count without input

[obtuse quest]

Yeah tbh not having aod’s res shred to boost the damage seems a bit oof

[arctic grotto]

Before this upcoming update, I am using the Set shield that can grant 46% resummon chance for skeletons plus the resummon node for 40% chance. I can easily sacrifice 15 to 16 skeletons alone to create abom and reaching the 20 cap is not impossible with this set up.

[abstract summit]

it kind of lives in this strange twilight zone where being a new unproven skill it is too risky to be touted for major mainstream content creators, but since the spreadsheet damage is that high it is also not too interesting for others who tend to go for niche builds with interesting interactions lol

[queen acorn]

is there any feedback on how many you summon other than eyeballing the respawns or watching the icon in top left? going from 90% more hp/dmg to 100% not that big, but neither is replacing 1 normal absorb with a warrior it seems, and less than 50% chance on average to hit the 9 resummons

guess it is only once per login though? so maybe not a huge deal to do it a handful of times

[abstract summit]

i mean we have 123% shred/pen this way as well, it's fiiiineee

[obtuse quest]

It’s once per life. If you die all your minions are screwed.

[queen acorn]

86% chance a lot higher than 80% tbh

[obtuse quest]

But 100% more-

[abstract summit]

i mean ye, but also like 100 less flat 😄

it is indeed interesting why AoD doesnt have a necro convert, but maybe this is exactly why lol

[obtuse quest]

Or maybe they forgot about damned for the 3rd time

[abstract summit]

"necrotic ailment? wdym necrotic ailment???"

[obtuse quest]

Or it got regulated to be warlock’s thing

[arctic grotto]

Sadly non, have to start counting at 10, i dont even bother to count because the chances of resummoning ia really high. For me to guarantee it goes above 20 minions is to sacrifice the skeletons first then the skelly mages. There is a few seconds delay for skellys to resummon.

[abstract summit]

i mean okay but then i want my bleed back hello

[queen acorn]

oh nvm, i wasn't even considering the resummoned ones chaining, i guess that should be ezpz unless ultra unlucky

does the absorption follow your mouse hover?

[abstract summit]

but also AOD is accessable by locks so it just makes no sense

[arctic grotto]

I think so yeah, point the mouse at the minions or near the minions' direction you want to sacrifice first.

[obtuse quest]

Hey bleed overload is for everyone

[queen acorn]

wonder if the CB procs from Flay are auto targeted. CB skill says "an area around the target", CB Flay proc says "towards an enemy". From what I saw of actual CB, the spread on the skill itself is quite big.

[abstract summit]

i mean for mapping it kinda doesnt matter cause you ahve 150, for bossing it kinda doesnt matter cause you have only one big target

[queen acorn]

idk, the spread i saw from actual skill use is like, comical. If it's the same for the procs, could be like a 30%+ "nerf" to dmg/mana return

[dark inlet]

will probably auto-target but still have some aim dithering like CB has, where it doesn't always land perfectly center

[abstract summit]

it's comical because of this arc

we dont have this tho from the proc

[obtuse quest]

Shouldn’t be an issue in bossing since the actual hit is from the explosion, which will always hit the boss if it casted in the correct direction.

[dark inlet]

even for clear the sheer volume of procs means the whole screen's gonna get lit up

[abstract summit]

like the projectiles themselves are not flailing, they are flailing cause they are cast through the skill Chaos Bolts in my interpretation

[queen acorn]

i'm not worried about coverage for clearing, i'm worried about spending 18 for flay and 50-60 for each wave of CB procs, clearing the screen with 20 of them, and only getting 40/138 mana back lol. Hopefully the giant mana pool is enough to not have to rely on harvest too much. Can't remember, does hp/mana refill when entering a tomb/cemetery?

[dark inlet]

well that's not really an issue of whether it has the 15-degree dither or not, that's just a function of the mobs dying while you're still proc'ing

[abstract summit]

ye i mean you might need to direct cast harvest from time to time 😄 we will see

[queen acorn]

ya, the spread is purely an uberroth concern, or i guess very high corruption shade since it has a smaller model

[obtuse quest]

Nope, you keep whatever you have, same with buffs.

[queen acorn]

same with exiting monos?

and i guess entering a new one

[obtuse quest]

Yup, same.

Echoes don't trigger a zone change.

[queen acorn]

makes sense, i remember shrines persisting i guess, no relying on emptying the pool each mono then rip

at least AoD/transplant will squelch the eggs, would be super awkward having to flay them😅

or do they have a decent amount of hp? hard to remember these things when ES just one shots whole screen

[quasi falcon]

which loot filter would you recommend for leveling acolyte/necromancer?

[obtuse quest]

One that is made specifically for the build you're planning to do.

[quasi falcon]

i plan to specialize into abomination, but I'd like to base on some decent filter which is currently maintained, maybe something from the https://www.lastepochtools.com/loot-filters/filter/class=acolyte&version=version130&tag=leveling

[pearl snow]

if you dont want to do anything just grab one of the ones from PixelAptitude like the Turbo Monsters or something. But unless you start modifying it yourself you are always risking not seeing or seeing to much

[lost gale]

wait just a minute, does poison overload apply to plague? It says 4% poison pen up to 400% which I think is different wording than penetration with the poison ailment specifically

plague and poison wandering souls maybe?

[obtuse quest]

It's poison pen in general, yeah.

[lost gale]

huh, I've always thought that skills dealing poison DOT could be pretty good because of all the pen but there just aren't many good ones

poison fissure's initial hit does necrotic so most of the good scaling for the fissure itself is pointless, wandering spirits is pretty meh, and then there's drain life (but not stygian coal) as a legit poison spell dot

[calm dome]

Poison Lich is a go

[pallid plume]

How big is 3.5 radius in the game ?

I have heard things like abomination new melee attack is half the screen now once you take aoe nodes ?

[obtuse quest]

I recall like the dummy area has circles below them, that's about 5 meter radius.

[pallid plume]

I see.

So with a 3.5 base and now being able to get like 200% aoe fairly easily I assume that's like a 10 radius overall so fairly big.

[astral crown]

Has anyone considered the good old Bleed Warlock from Season 1 updated to utilize Blood Tether? That 1% multiplicative damage per bleed looks strong.

[slim mason]

bleed flay is similar

[obtuse quest]

You'll have to solve the problem of "If you're DoT you won't be building much flat spell damage, if you're build flat spell damage you'll most likely don't have as much bleed stacks applied"

[rugged charm]

Will Abomination Necro really that good?
I was set on LB Runemaster but Abomination Necro sounds super tempting even with the clunky summoning - needs to be done only once per Login anyway

[hidden sable]

acolyte really needs reworks maybe one season they'll focus on acolyte and then make things like fissure damage converts actually effect all of fissure and stuff like that

[ashen bluff]

oh how I miss old immolator's oblation

[obtuse quest]

This IS the acolyte rework season.

[hidden sable]

weird

[ashen bluff]

wdym aco needs a rework tho

like the main issue was bad ai and scalin on many minions for necro

[hidden sable]

main issue for acolyte is the shit options for spell flat

[ashen bluff]

and lich having gotten nothing new for it from before warlock was added

[obtuse quest]

Your fissure example is meant to be like that. It's intentional to have dual effects.

[hidden sable]

then there's major prolems but if they just added strong sources of flat like throwing damage has, a lot of the major problems would be minor problems

[ashen bluff]

again what problems are you exactly referring to

[hidden sable]

inconsistencies, bugs, lack of damage

[ashen bluff]

yall had lack of dmg on aco? like not at all the issue I've ever had

cos aco is mainly balanced on the fact that each spec has a lot of inc / more scalin from non conventional sources

[obtuse quest]

Damage has never been an issue lmao

[obtuse quest]

Would love to know what bugs you're talking about.

[ashen bluff]

I mean nothing more than any other spec has tbh

wlock on release sure, there wasn't anything that worked as written except torment

minions were the major bug source for a while there but there was no point to play anything but Shade for a good while cos there just wasn't any scalin

[topaz knot]

This is a fair point. But i think if you look at how classes are balanced it makes more sense.

Every class has something that's hard to get. Like druid has a hard time getting flat crit chance. but has multiple +100% crit chance. Void knight on the other hand has so much flat crit chance, but doesn't have as much % crit chance as other classes.

warlock lacks flat spell dmg, but has a ton of spell dmg scaling thru multiple debuffs. It's just how they balance the class

[ashen bluff]

wlock literally has a passive more dmg multiplier from just choosin the spec

[topaz knot]

Yeah, it's rly good in that regard. The chase affix ur lookin for is flat spell dmg

Like druid is chasing flat crit u less u go a gathering storm build, which gives a ton of flat crit, which is why thise builds are rly popular.

And why void knight rly felt good with % crit chance and crit multi

[obtuse quest]

ANd we even have old tech to get flat if you're desperate that can also feed into a more multiplier.

[ashen bluff]

stuff like torment has a high base value as well and they don't really lack in dmg effectiveness scalin

[vestal abyss]

so did stygian lich get buffed or nerfed, I keep hearing both

[ashen bluff]

something like fissure having a split dmg type is also intentional cos the spec is very much about multiple ailments rather than just 1 (you can focus but that's not the real intent)

[ashen bluff]

it got changed

depending on how you played it, its either 👍 or 👎 afaik

[hidden sable]

with a budget setup nerf, with pinnacle setup buff

[vestal abyss]

so a cof nerf

[hidden sable]

no

like a hour 1-6 nerf

[pulsar raven]

Any views/tips for a frostbite lich? Do you think I’ll regret trying it?
(Aod, harvest, flay, death seal, transplant)

[obtuse quest]

Playstyle based. Those that spam the skill effectively got buffed. Those that play "Cast once and rip blood for max mana" got nerfed.

[vestal abyss]

i cant even remember how i played it i just pressed buttons on controller, so Im not going to regret it if i run it back

?

[pulsar raven]

I guess I should do the maths and see how many stacks from aod vs how many from the attacks, but that flay node that lets you attach aod to a boss seems really nice

[vestal abyss]

cause it was the most enjoyable build ive played in this game ever since beta

[obtuse quest]

Probably not, it'll be similar.

[vestal abyss]

alright, and i guess you can reroll anyway if it turns out bad now with spec change

[ashen bluff]

to me the ease of levelin with wlock is hard to beat

will probably have to force myself to play lich early so I don't get complacent about just fissurin around

[topaz knot]

"just fissurin around"

What ring? I'm running acolyte first time this season, and was playing around with dif leveling setups for necro. So far just zoo seems to be the fastest, but I was having fun trying to make a solo golem + infernal shade on the golem work.

Tryin to figure out a comfy levelling build

[balmy void]

So the real question for a ranged physical spell damage dealer.
Are you going to spam :

• Rip blood, triggering Marrow shard?
• Flay, triggering Rip Blood and Chaos bolt?
  Something else?

[queen acorn]

horn of the bone wisp seems pretty hard to beat for early primordials, astral blood is op but offense usually more important, anyone got their eye on other primordials for early game?

[balmy void]

The Arcane Absorbtion nod in Rip Blood looks REALLY strong, and wants you to spam rip blood directly

+8 spell damage per rip blood, stacking

[topaz knot]

Gonna wanna stack cast speed otherwise itll prob be slow

[balmy void]

We got 3 nods for +40% cast speed

That seems pretty huge

[topaz knot]

Thatll prob be enough, but if u add the frenzy prim helm itll be even better

[balmy void]

Damn yeah

You might kill yourself with so many Marrow shard per second tho

Prob should invest in life leech

[topaz knot]

You'll def need a lot of leech

Yeah

Am i remembering right

That there's a way to be immune to bleed this season?

Can go bleeding heart if so

[ashen bluff]

define early in this context, cos it all depends how fast you can get some of these

[lost gale]

you don't need shade but you probably do need zombies because at any time you have 0 zombies the rings aren't going to summon them for you and the rings also increase the value of any zombie summoning you do yourself

[topaz knot]

Could someone who's more versed in acolyte explain to me why no one seems to want to do infernal shade on the abomination?

[lost gale]

I can't remember is summon volatile zombie a fire skill itself for eg firestarter's torch mana discount & is it a spell for spell mana discounts?

[topaz knot]

Tested today coincidentally. It's a fire skill naturally

[ashen bluff]

it's all build dependant
harmony of the first is very storng early
evolutions end might be great for early bossing might not, hard to tell yet
bluefeather band is interesting but trash imo
Army of Skin for flay + harvest is great
Personally lookin hard at fangs of the berserker

Oh hadn't noticed Legends Entwined is req lvl 42

[lost gale]

maybe scales of lemniscate to pump dread shade up or just there are 3 better support skills to specialise than infernal shade?

[ashen bluff]

This seems silly
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QbR3WZ3Q

[stuck owl]

Warlock, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

None

General:

▸ Health: 1,317, Regen: 44.4/s
▸ Mana: 150.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 95%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 25 Str / 25 Dex / 40 Int / 25 Att / 26 Vit
▸ Resistances: 124% / 53% / 53% / 53% / 53% / 114% / 79%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 263
▸ Dodge Chance: 11% (360)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,040)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Transplant

[topaz knot]

I see some ppl take bone curse over infernal, but i don't think bone curse does that much + it's a pain to keep maintained

Idk tho maybe im missing something

[ashen bluff]

Hitting 6 with no thought just slammin stuff, there's some actually interesting combos you could do tho, esp on aco

[lost gale]

bone curse applied to minions can be a 50% more phys buff

which is truthfully considerably more damage than the speed buffs of infernal shade

unless you're giving it the necrotic attack or using a non-phys CD skill for damage

[topaz knot]

I'd also give it more armor shred. Bone curse shreds 100% armor too, but infernal shreds 200% armor every tick.

But yeah hard to compete with 50% more dmg

Ill prob still go infernal to avoid the micromanaging tbhh

4 sec reapplying is too tedious unless im doing uberoth

[topaz knot]

Ty for helping me figure it out!

[lost gale]

i'd be wary about putting the armor shred on bone curse like that because it means every attack on your abom will shred its armor too

it'll be way more fragile like that

[topaz knot]

Oh tru hmm

[lost gale]

especially when we have such good sources of armor shred on the necro passive tree

and julra gloves if you go that way

really if you want to just buff your phys minions with bone curse there aren't many skill points you actually want to use

[topaz knot]

I was gonna go julra for attack speed but armor shred might be better

We can spam heal the abom tho as long as we have summon skeles on our bar tho I think? With how they changed abom

[lost gale]

yes

[topaz knot]

So maybe it's ok for it to be a lil more fragile? Atleast for monos

[lost gale]

but if it's eating skeles it isn't dpsing

[topaz knot]

Oh it has an eating animation

Hmm

[lost gale]

I doubt it'll be fragile at all but if you're really pushing the build eventually you'll reach a point where enemy damage is significant and like 60 stacks of shred on your abom is a lot more damage taken

[topaz knot]

Ill prob cap at 1k corr and be fine as long as I can do uberoth. After 1k ill look to just increase my clear speed

[queen acorn]

evolution's end not primordial btw, also
Obtained from:
Rift Beast - 100% chance (when you end a Rift Beast Lineage)
Not sure if completely accurate, but should be easy to get. Nice boon for minion builds early game with the minion skills and % dmg.

all res, ms, all attri base and lvl 11 requirement too, pretty gg leveling item for non-primordial and deterministic acquisition

[ashen bluff]

ah yeah good point

yeah that neck is definetly great for all minions

[queen acorn]

ah it's all skills too, not minion, just a nice item overall

[ashen bluff]

nice lil boost from the first rift beast

[queen acorn]

have to end the lineage though, not sure what that implies and how many encounters that is, and how frequent they ar ein campaign

[ashen bluff]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/minions/time_beast_summoned

some of these abilities are kind of dope

[queen acorn]

wonder if minion hits will trigger the summon, wording on it would suggest so, but wording isn't exactly LE's strong suit

[balmy void]

I'm thinking this for a Rip blood build lich:

Activate reaper form for massive +XX% dmg, spam rip blood, trigger marrow shard, repeat

Stack crit chance and spell damage

Should work right?

Transplant is a flex spot, but is pretty good for frenzy/haste and more rip blood casts

[topaz knot]

What primordial you using?

[balmy void]

Probably an exalted with +X level of Rip blood t8

People are sleeping on T8, it's gonna be insane

[topaz knot]

How much is t8 skill lvl?

[ashen bluff]

t8s are just more stats

[balmy void]

100% more than T7

[topaz knot]

Oh just more stats, no more +skill levels?

[ashen bluff]

where as some of these primordial uniques are build enablers so they're much more interesting

its + levels too

[topaz knot]

Oh

Double

So +8 levels?

[balmy void]

Uh yes, we're talking like +8 rip blood skill level

That's really high

[topaz knot]

Oh damn

W-

[balmy void]

Totally worth trading a unique

[topaz knot]

Why is abom not using that lmao

[balmy void]

Well you could

[pulsar raven]

le tools has t8 as +6

[topaz knot]

The trex kinda mid on a one minion build

[pulsar raven]

but double the secondary mod

[balmy void]

You are correct
Still really good!

[topaz knot]

Oh

Trex gives +3 anyway

Nvm on the abom comment

[pulsar raven]

but theres also the primordial that gives +50% to skill level mods, which lets you get more than 1 +6

[noble acorn]

Is Flay gonna be insanely good?

[balmy void]

It looks versatile

You can make it work in a ton of build. It could even replace transplant as a traversal

[noble acorn]

Oh shit

[balmy void]

Also it can trigger marrow shard and/or chaos bolt, which is cool

[noble acorn]

What corruption level should I expect to hit before I start getting into like t7 or t8 stuff?

[obtuse quest]

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[balmy void]

I use T7 and I only play normal mono and early empowered

[obtuse quest]

T7 is pretty common at 200-300+ corruption. T8 is crafted from a T7 only

[balmy void]

You get exalted while doing the campaign

[ashen bluff]

there's funny stuff with t8s mostly on experimental mods

but generally speaking they don't enable anything 'new'

[charred ridge]

<@&1161418687471956101>

[ashen bluff]

they just make an existing build stronger by letting them get 1 more mod while sealing a t8

and mind you that means it has to be a crafted item you have that mod on

so many builds where that +X to levels is only used on a specific LP later

[topaz knot]

I'm still looking at the potions reduce cd on traversal skills. Can use that on shift and maybe spam shift with it for memes

2.2 sec reduction per potion, 200% inc chance to find potion. Shift is 3.5 seconds naturally, but can be lowered .

[queen acorn]

That depends on which affix you stack. For the endurance stacking, which is what Abom people would do, the dmg is a % inc, so that is the same whether you have 500 minions or 1 minion, just a multiplier to your overall damage.

[ashen bluff]

it's already 1.6 at t7 tho

[noble acorn]

I remember one build I did a long time ago was like a sentinal with a shield rushing skill. that was fast afff

[pulsar raven]

the node that puts AoD on a boss looks cool too - when you need to dodge you dont have to worry about standing near!

[ashen bluff]

experimental armour applies on gloves goes up to 50% is funny

[topaz knot]

Honestly thr flag dmg is prob huge

Since we're kinda starving for that compared to bear builds

Question, if you do a t8 on a twohanded item is it a bigger upgrade than a t8 on a one handed item?

[pulsar raven]

not bigger upgrade % wise, but raw stats its better

[ashen bluff]

lmao

[balmy void]

Damn

[topaz knot]

No way we're getting copium for forge guard

That would be

The funniest shit

If that's how forge guard gets a good build finally

[balmy void]

Forge guard has been pretty fun s2 :3

[obtuse quest]

It’s a increase convert to increase tho-

Not %more

[lost gale]

Bone curse like this will generate a ton of indirect casts of rip blood.

Also armor shred is very good for you as a phys caster doing multi-hits.

[balmy void]

Good find!

[topaz knot]

I knew something good with forge guard was too good to be true

[ashen bluff]

you wouldn't do this, you'd just slam the t7 mod on apathys maw for doom memes

also new vengeance shield goes hard for fg

so do the bleed gloves, trex might have a weird build, etc.

[lost gale]

if you have +levels then you may want to try bone eruption, ruptured corpse, marrow thief and see how they play out

[balmy void]

First I need to see if the reworked animation/effect of Rip Blood feels good to use 😄

[fathom otter]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5n1an7o my plan for lich this season, what ya'll think? yeah the gear is giga endgame but this is the goal

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Necromancer (25) / Lich (68)

General:

▸ Health: 5,093, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 140.46, Regen: 13.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 173%, Regen: 89/s
▸ Attributes: 24 Str / 116 Dex / 61 Int / 16 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 54% / 54% / 54% / 74% / 61% / 176% / 86%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 1,528
▸ Dodge Chance: 38% (1352)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,021)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Flay / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay

[ashen bluff]

do you just have skellies for the freeze rate? <_<

[fathom otter]

for mana

marrowshards kill em so u generate mana with em

[lost gale]

skip accursed feast at the end of lich imo, that's good for using hollow lich/scornful blood but leech rate is a bad stat for healing

you're a crit build and you already have leech on hit from immortal vise & ageless ascetic

speeding up leech reduces the amount of time you can overleech for with corrupted flesh

[balmy void]

Are people using these nods on a spellcasting lich?

+100% spell damage, basically

I feel like the other nodes are much more powerful (+X% dmg while low health)

[charred ridge]

usually you don't have enough points to go down that way

and if you're gonna pick between a ramping 100% inc dmg, or a permanent 100% inc dmg, you're obviously not going for the one that ramps

[pulsar raven]

100 increased spell damage is barely anything on lich, it gets so much from tree

[balmy void]

Yeah makes sense. You can get +300% without any ramps with the top left part of the tree

[chrome mason]

So whats everyone doing for their starter

[lost gale]

That endgame gear seems fine except for the 2lp nihilis & 2lp null portent. Don't expect to get more than 1lp on either & you should plan for which relic you'll use pre-shattered worlds too.

Since you're not scaling the damage on it Marrow Shards looks really terrible tbh, consuming skeletons is cute but: if you're serious about marrow orbs meaningfully contributing you don't want to remove piercing from marrow shards itself but if you want it to do significant armor shred for you then you want it to multi-hit as much as possible which means taking both kinds of bone splinters and speed/range for them etc.

They're competing with eachother to be useful and all the damage stuff is pointless for you because you have no flat damage to juice it up.

You gotta take the dagger attack speed nodes in Flay, patch notes had it at 10% more per point not 16% increased

[charred ridge]

had like probably 40-50 2lp portents by the end of last season

nihilis is a different story

[lost gale]

okay, fair actually. I was thinking in terms of not counting on having any LP rarer than 1/100 or double T7s as a reasonable guideline for endgame gear with going beyond that requiring sick imprints and considerable dedication.

[charred ridge]

portent kinda just depends on whether you have uber on farm or not

cause iirc you're guaranteed a portent drop on each uber kill, usually you get multiple (if you're CoF)

they're also guaranteed 1lp but i dont think this affects the rate for 2nd LP (though it also means you're guaranteed turtle fodder)

also i know nothing about the build you're tryna make but i'll just point out you can enchant your idols, since that's not in the planner

[fathom otter]

i've had 2lp nulls quite a few, and with nemesis and mg 2lp nihilis is quite possible too. yeah marrowshards is still questionmark for me, never played that skill and played acolyte as a whole very little.

[charred ridge]

in a vacuum 2lp nihilis isn't such a grind especially if you're going for t7t5, the issue is getting it with good rolls

[lost gale]

it's a question mark for most people lol, the skill is very suspect and got a tiny buff

[fathom otter]

i mean for me it's only taken to kill of skellies so i guess doesn't really matter what i take in the tree

[lost gale]

every damage node on it scales hits only, not dots, so that kills a lot of potential builds with it, it costs a lot of health to spam and its utility options are uh eating minions, tiny amounts of unreliable health/mana recovery and applying armor shred

[proud pivot]

hello fellow acolytes Heyge

[lost gale]

just shoot your bone golem in the back with marrow shards and hope for the best 5head

bone golem being another very suspect skill

[fathom otter]

i'm just happy if i sustain mana with it for flay

[balmy void]

I'm confused about Volatile Zombie. Do they stack with +minion damage? + minion dmg increase the explosion damage? I don't think they are attacking, just exploding

[obtuse quest]

They cast their explosion on death, so yes it scales with their damage

[balmy void]

Good to know!

[lost gale]

it's a spell so minion spell damage or sources of generic +flat are what you want

also you should be blowing them up with chaos bolts if you care about the actual damage of the zombies rather than using them to automate infernal shades or sacrifice

[solemn mountain]

wha u guys doin for minions this season any build links or ideas?

[balmy void]

I'm thinking, this :

A bunch of permanent, big minions, and spamming volatile zombies

[lost gale]

80-100% chance to revive skeletons that restore 15 mana on death are definitely what I'm looking at most

[forest mica]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/ALJr0jkB
It's my idea

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (81) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 4,038, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 112.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 304%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 26 Str / 12 Dex / 134 Int / 6 Att / 12 Vit
▸ Resistances: 92% / 84% / 82% / 102% / 108% / 116% / 122%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 65%, Threshold: 808
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 50% (3,150)

Used skills:

Infernal Shade / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade

[solemn mountain]

gear swap changed from last season to this one too?

[forest mica]

No Snapshot in 1.3 anymore

[solemn mountain]

that kinda huge ngl

that build look solid aswell

skeletons mages is back than u guys think

[forest mica]

🤭 I hope that can help me to get the first Aberroth kill

[autumn bough]

Nowadays 0 reasons to go nihi over new minion amulet, 2 lp drops in campaign

U only need nihi for frenzy

[lost gale]

I'm not sure that profane oblation got much of a buff

and normal skele mages are just frustrating

[ashen bluff]

damn thats alot of curse dmg

[solemn mountain]

i saw the AI for the minions look away better

[lost gale]

mana stacking doesn't really work for other minions, the chaos bolts +flat proc is annoying

[charred ridge]

the new amulet is pretty sick especially on budget but "no reason" is an overstatement

[lost gale]

poe did skeleton mages right, I don't care for LE's implementation

[charred ridge]

nihilis has a bunch of stats that can be useful depending on builds over the new ammy

main one is prob the mana for mana stackers

[ashen bluff]

skele mages were fine back in 0.9 haven't tried em since <_<

[solemn mountain]

last season i tryed to make the ice version but was to much work

[ashen bluff]

Needing the set feels bad now

[solemn mountain]

how about the t-rex amulet

[lost gale]

which set?

[ashen bluff]

Lich's Scorn if doing cold mages

[grim rune]

t-rex is relic

[ashen bluff]

best source of cold pen iirc

[lost gale]

ah right

[solemn mountain]

ohhh

[ashen bluff]

damn now I really wanna do a t8 sinathia build

[pulsar raven]

theres no pre-load or anything before the patch, just gotta start downloading when update s up right?

[obtuse quest]

Yup

[left whale]

5 hours to go

[summer goblet]

hey guys any warlock leveling build that u recommend pls ?

[royal flint]

Just a question: Abomination snap shotting is going to be removed next patch, right?

[obtuse quest]

The equipment snapshot is yes, buff snapshot stays

[obtuse quest]

Fissure

[royal flint]

Buff snapshot? Which means?

[summer goblet]

the one from maxroll ?

[obtuse quest]

Yeah

[summer goblet]

ok ty

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/itemsets/SAwRgHEA
Stuff like the mods on this set don't update dynamically with the number of active shades they just take a snapshot at the time the buff is cast

[obtuse quest]

Eg: Lich Scorn’s extra damage per infernal shade is checked when you cast the dread shade onto it

[royal flint]

Interesting

[lost gale]

and if you've been casting a bunch of rip blood and have temporary +flat damage stacks then you cast a skill which lasts a while like fissure, it'll have the flat from the number of stacks it had when you cast it for its entire duration even though those stacks will fall-off over its duration

[royal flint]

Did anyone calculated how much dps is lost overall by dread shade crit nerf?

[lost gale]

that kind of thing isn't really abusable with fissure, but it's notable

[earnest onyx]

Hey

What are u think about Flay Lich?

[obtuse quest]

Everyone and their mother is making a flay build

[earnest onyx]

oh okay ;D

[pulsar raven]

i mean its versatile, not sure every build with flay in is a flay build, but lots of builds have flay in it

[lost gale]

everyone and their mother is playing bearquake, flay looks crazy clunky and weak by comparison

[obtuse quest]

I don’t play primalist so can’t relate, but it does look funny

[obtuse quest]

That’s the thing-

[lost gale]

casual 1 billion DPS spreadsheets showing up pre-season

[obtuse quest]

Insane

[lost gale]

what do you mean your tens of millions of chaos bolts DPS costs you mana? baloo just hits the ground and loot drops out of aberroth

[mighty tundra]

Of course we can't compete it's a fricking bear

[pulsar raven]

are there any interactions that they may have made a mistake modelling thugh....

[mighty tundra]

I saw a bear outside my house the other day and I ain't risking being earthquaked

[obtuse quest]

Iirc it’s mostly “lol lmao you got two skills worth of multipliers to work it”

[lost gale]

quite possibly, but earthquake hasn't really changed and it has long been a skill with very very big multipliers.

Bear and beastmaster have changed and there could be errors in there I suppose but it seems like EHG has decided that BM's aspects should be absolutely insanely strong compared to other passive trees

[lost gale]

two skills of multis plus the most insane passive tree in the game

BM after the chain now is just lol, lmao even

[obtuse quest]

Primalist lost the bm tax, but now BM is just strong as heck lmao

[grim rune]

that's part of multiplier from snaps

for EQ bear

[lost gale]

there's some cool stuff with Avalanche Scorpion if BM could specialise Avalanche but as it is there's no chance that avalanche is better than aspects

[obtuse quest]

Yup that’s a stupid amount of more modifiers lmao

[grim rune]

even after *0.13 (so vs 100) gives u like 140m dps

[pulsar raven]

but you can only get 1 or 2 EQ per 6 seconds right, or how do they get around that?(and how painful will that be for clear)

[marsh lichen]

Hey, which Abomination build would you guys recommend?
this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIicV25o97w
or the maxroll one: https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/build-guides/abomination-necromancer-guide
or another one?
Thanks a lot!

[grim rune]

u reset cd with warcry

• u stack billion of cdr with relic

and idols

and that's ONLY EQ bear hit

he did not include swipe, ur swipe, maelstorm

[wild depot]

ye, snapow has video on EQ bear for party play

insane modifiers

[grim rune]

snap party bear will hit like 600m EQs for sure

[pulsar raven]

wait why does he haev shred and pen multiplying, dont they add?

[lost gale]

no armor is a different thing to res

[damage type] shred and [damage type] pen are additive, but armor shred and pen are multiplicative

[pulsar raven]

oo armour shred, not resistance shred

[grim rune]

ye, EQ is phys

[lost gale]

the maxroll one is probably better but either one will be very strong I would think

[marsh lichen]

thanks a lot for your response!

[lost gale]

the turbo one is clearly intended to map fast rather than be as tanky as possible or give the abom the most dps possible

which is probably better for general purpose usage but less so for bossing etc

[marsh lichen]

so generally speaking, both seem to be valid - one more DPS any possibly a bit slower but tankier and the other one fast for mapping purposes?

[lost gale]

yes

in 1.2 abom was incredibly strong & with snapshotting you could be as tanky as any build in the game personally, but the mapping was tedious because it just runs up and bonks enemies 1 or 2 at a time and its aggro/leash radius wasn't that big

in 1.3 you can make it more aggressive and it has better options for going fast & hitting more enemies at a time so it should be a lot more fun. Also snapshotting of that kind is dead so you have to balance the power of the minion with your own defences with more ccare

[marsh lichen]

sounds good, and one last question! when I understand correctly, when using the maxroll build, I need to switch skills to summon the abomination, which sounds not so fun. But is is correct that I only need to do it once "per login" or when ever I died?... which then would sound not so bad

[lost gale]

yeah that's correct, it was much more involved last patch too.

Basically you have to summon 1 skeleton mage, 1 bone golem, 1 wraith and all your skeleton warriors then channel the abomination until it has eaten those three plus 17 skeletons and then put the skills you actually want to use on your bar in place of those 4 minion skills

the abom gets huge bonuses from being made from those 4 different minion types

but also bonuses per skeleton

[quick zinc]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BZN9NXXB

5 golems, huge minion cdr from new primordial relic, huge stomps. The gear and passives could obviously use some fine tuning but it the core concept interesting enough to try?

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Necromancer (92)

General:

▸ Health: 3,206, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 118.51, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 224%, Regen: 149/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 9 Dex / 112 Int / 9 Att / 31 Vit
▸ Resistances: 73% / 93% / 73% / 94% / 99% / 105% / 65%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 884
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (36)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 45% (2,698)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Bone Golem / Summon Skeleton / Dread Shade / Transplant

[lost gale]

gonna suck to summon the abom lol

with lots of wraiths & zombies to make up the numbers

[ripe fossil]

Tried my hand at making a build last night and my goodness is it awful. I don’t know how y’all scale things so hard. 😭

[quick zinc]

Staying optimistic that I would just need to do it once per session 😂

[mighty tundra]

https://youtu.be/W7qIup-qbhw?si=Mc93N1JYUF5g9yKz Last Epoch 1 day after someone posts a bear 1 shot clip of Uber abberoth onto Reddit

[chrome mason]

multiplicative nodes

[rugged charm]

Fissure lock vs Necro Summoner for leveling? From Maxroll

[obtuse quest]

Fissure is faster

[tender halo]

Planning on playing abom but cant decide which minion to focus on eating anyone have any theory crafts to support one or the others?

[bleak glacier]

where can I see this in full?

[ripe fossil]

I grab pretty much everything relevant to what I’m doing. I wanna say my problem is more with determining good affixes for gear and idols, but I could be wrong.

[lost gale]

the ones listed in the engorgement node with a lot of skeletons because abom has some very nice nodes for skeles

[junior rampart]

guys if harvest hits a cursed enemy, does that count as curse dmg ?

[lost gale]

nope

[junior rampart]

sad

was planning to use Murama's Hilt to solve mana

[lost gale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/ put curse in the filter here and you'll see all the things which scale with curse damage

[junior rampart]

if instead of curse dmg it had curse effect that would be better

[chrome mason]

Alot of the times youre looking for base increases (like flat stats) combining it with a good amount of %add and as much %mult you can get, then adding in pen/shred or other multipliers.

[obtuse quest]

Curses are effectively debuffs.

Check the ailment list.

[obtuse quest]

You think they would let you self proc harvest’s double damage condition for free-

[pulsar raven]

does double dmaage apply to ailments, or just hits?

[lost gale]

clearly harvest should deal (damage of curses on target)^(number of curses on target)

[lost gale]

just hits if you mean Harvest. if it says hits it means hits not ailments

[pulsar raven]

it says hits all enemies.... dealing double damage, so it doesnt necessarily follow the double damage is just for the hit

[obtuse quest]

Yeah it doesn’t specify

[mighty tundra]

i always got told it was only for hits but idk

[obtuse quest]

Really easy to test though

[mighty tundra]

I played harvest on my first character in the beta and then rolled a primalist at level 10 or smth

[lost gale]

huh, did they change that description? i was sure it said harvest hits deal double damage

[old hull]

Yep the wording isn't clear on tooltip, but the node in the tree I think is clear - and that node is literally the same stat, it's even additive with the base double hit damage on cursed

[lost gale]

if they don't specify then maybe it does double ailments, might actually be a good DOT skill

[obtuse quest]

The node specifys hit ye

[lost gale]

nvm morditas reach still sucks

[junior rampart]

it still says that

[obtuse quest]

But the og double dmage boost always had this wording

[lost gale]

Harvest: A melee attack that hits all enemies in an area in front of you, dealing double damage to those that are Cursed.

is what LET says and that doesn't indicate it wouldn't apply to ailments

[mighty tundra]

could be worth asking in the dev channel

[lost gale]

why oh why does marrow shards, such a bleeding themed skill, still have zero things on its skill tree which boost ailment damage

[obtuse quest]

Because it’s still an ass skill

[old hull]

The truth hurts

[junior rampart]

do we know how much does Exposed Flesh reduces armor by ?

[obtuse quest]

The new curse? No info yet, or bugged to not drop armour-

[old hull]

I don't think so, we heard it scales with dex

[pulsar raven]

it doesnt

https://www.lastepochtools.com/ailments/exposed_flesh - 15 cold res

[obtuse quest]

(but it’s supposed to)

[old hull]

The armor reduction doesn't show in data mining because it's variable

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[obtuse quest]

Mamamiya

[lost gale]

surely it's just a very very straightforward change to make to have some of those nodes apply to not be hits-only, can't take much dev time at all.
It's not like it's a fast casting multi-hit skill they'd have to worry about or a 600% damage effectiveness AOE nuke with huge multis they'd give the scaling of a powerful minion to.

Must have spent a lot more time making the marrow shards on rip blood direct cast work than it would take

[obtuse quest]

[abstract summit]

0

[pulsar raven]

do you have any idea how many hours of management meetings that would take?!

[thin peak]

anyone else trying necrotic flay lich?

[left whale]

I will after my 4 minion builds

[abstract summit]

Ah okay Mike double checked exposed flesh nice

[tender halo]

do we know if you create an abom with minions and then take them off your bar do you still maintain the bonus provided by that minion?

[lost gale]

yes but if you change your max # of any of those minions by eg taking off the +1 max skeletons ring then your abom will die instantly

[obtuse quest]

It dies if you adjust your minion max count

[thin peak]

you have anything new in mind that doesn't need snapshotting?

[obtuse quest]

Hotbar swapping is fine

[left whale]

Yea man

I m not snapshotting

[tender halo]

ok but say i use wraiths and mages to summon it to get max benefit from engorge then take those two off my bar its good?

[thin peak]

oh nice maybe ill do minions then - i heard abom basically needs snapshotting to be viable

[left whale]

My previous minion build took me to corruption 600

[obtuse quest]

Yup

[tender halo]

nice

[left whale]

No snapshot

[obtuse quest]

The only snapshotting left is buff snapshotting which everyone and their mom does either accidentally or on purpose anyway

[left whale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Av6PjlRA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (32) / Necromancer (75) / Warlock (6)

General:

▸ Health: 1,556, Regen: 22/s
▸ Mana: 1,064.78, Regen: 10.56/s
▸ Ward Retention: 417%, Regen: 382/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 12 Dex / 67 Int / 2 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 30% / 30% / 54% / 0% / 0% / 671% / 6%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 20%, Threshold: 311
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (48)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (811)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Summon Volatile Zombie / Summon Bone Golem / Dread Shade

[left whale]

Minion explosion build

[lost gale]

yeah that's absolutely fine

[left whale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BEp9ZlwQ

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (34) / Necromancer (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,085, Regen: 162.3/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 340%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 22 Dex / 170 Int / 22 Att / 47 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 82% / 89% / 99% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 272%, Threshold: 1,187
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (120)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 79% (11,479)
▸ Block Chance: 121%, Mitigation: 33% (850)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade

[left whale]

My abom build

[thin peak]

yoink

haha

nice glad i asked - id rather play necro

[lost gale]

you shouldn't need marked for death on volatile zombie, you have marked for death on minion death from the necro tree

[left whale]

Huh, i thought i changed that

[thin peak]

This actually looks a lot like what i was trying to get into before i swapped to poe 2 (i think?) last season

sick - even more excited for the season now

[ripe fossil]

I think I might be investing too much in offense scaling instead of defense. I have 866% increased damage for spells and 1060% for DoT. Only 684 endurance threshold and 1492 ward decay threshold. 2845 hp. Going to redo the build in the opposite direction and see how low the damage is.

[elder solstice]

hey swede here, i'd love to play with someone on launch even if not swedish just tryna keep the servers close

[obtuse quest]

Why are you scaling both spell and dot?

Torment setup or something?

[ripe fossil]

The spell scaling is incidental. I didn’t ever really pick an item or passive “for” it, it just happened to be along for the ride lol

[junior rampart]

get hp from idols

really good way to get some extra hp

[lost gale]

yeah acolyte idols good for hp

[obtuse quest]

Normally that means you might have done somehing wrong? Most builds effectively build % inc skill type (spell/melee/dot etc.) and then % inc damage type (physical/fire/etc.)

[lost gale]

also if you're a necro the 30 armor per vit on dread shade is amazing with +5 vit weaver idols

[ripe fossil]

Yeah I was thinking about swapping some of my idols to defense oriented.

[rugged charm]

Mine is quite similiar but using more cdr Idols and Evolutions End Amulet https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAwRgrALFQ

[ripe fossil]

I’d be surprised if I did something right tbh 😂

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BGWwJ6dB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (25) / Lich (65) / Warlock (23)

General:

▸ Health: 2,845, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 323.51, Regen: 21.2/s
▸ Ward Retention: 181%, Regen: 247/s
▸ Attributes: 2 Str / 2 Dex / 46 Int / 2 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 76% / 76% / 76% / 80% / 76% / 103% / 75%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 74%, Threshold: 684
▸ Dodge Chance: 9% (292)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 14% (437)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 124%

Used skills:

Reaper Form / Death Seal / Hungering Souls / Spirit Plague / Wandering Spirits

[abstract summit]

Did anybody do dps calculation for the meta abo build(s)? Do we know the ballpark at least?

[left whale]

Ohh yeah i will def try that amulet

[old hull]

An abominable amount of damage, probably

[obtuse quest]

So, I need to warn you that death seal’s auto hungering souls cast has a good chance to just spit out a single hungering soul no matter the projectile count

[left whale]

Is there gonna be an update or something to download?

[ripe fossil]

Yeah. But I figured I’m going to be relying kind of heavily on it as self cast, too. The Death Seal part is mostly for extra flavor

[rugged charm]

Yes but there is no preload. Will be ready shortly before server go live

[obtuse quest]

The patch drops at the same time the servers come up

[left whale]

Noice

[rugged charm]

Hope servers don't crumble. Cancelled WoW raid for launch today lol

[left whale]

Hahah lol

Its my day off today

I hope it goes well

[rugged charm]

Should be tho. Season 3 doesn't seem to have that much hype outside of the community than 1.2 had

[lost gale]

offline mode COF master race

[last epoch]

Looking forward to abomination but does any1 know how often we would have to do the skill swaps? Like is it every map load etc cuz that would suck lol

[lost gale]

steam should hold up

[rugged charm]

With the introduction of Cosmetics now usable in offline mode.. it might actually be a idea for me to go offline mode aswell

ASF CoF Player anyway

But I like the global chat

[visual trail]

do we have a levelling guide for flay build?

[obtuse quest]

Everytime it or you die.

[junior rampart]

hmm i think the mana problem on flay should be solved for me atleast

[obtuse quest]

Run literally any lich leveling guide

[visual trail]

until when?

[obtuse quest]

70, whenever you want or when you can unlock flay

[last epoch]

Thanks that's manageable then

[left whale]

U can still have a pretty decent build without swap

[rugged charm]

Just play HC so it's only once when you log in haha

[left whale]

😭😭

[visual trail]

would it work without its recommended uniques?

[last epoch]

Lmao I wouldn't get far enough yo unlock abomination xD

[junior rampart]

harvest leveling should be fine to be fair it just annoying to press bone curse before harvest but it was not bad for me

[little wigeon]

It won't be great if you can't sustain the mana tbh

[left whale]

Getting flashbacks from the time i did hc, aint gonna try that shit again

[junior rampart]

mana sustain for flay should be fairly okay

[lost gale]

warlock fissure, spend gold to respec at 60-70

[last epoch]

Oh ya I doubt it will be "required" until say later thankfully, never know they might fix the skill swap from working anyway 🤷

[junior rampart]

if you go chaos bolt+harvest

and have the node that gives 13mana on hit

[little wigeon]

Harvest won't give mana unless you have the unique

[last epoch]

Rip blood should be a worthy investment for early game now with changes me thinks 🤔

[obtuse quest]

Direct harvest cast only, doesn’t work on procs

[little wigeon]

The curse one that has a 3s cooldown?

[obtuse quest]

You’ll need the max mana somewhere.

[little wigeon]

Directly use

[obtuse quest]

“Directly use harvest”

Chaos bolt procing harvest won’t trigger that node

[junior rampart]

oh fck you are rgith

xD

fck direct use

[little wigeon]

I mean you could use harvest as a mana builder but kinda annoying

With the chest affix for harvest mana on hit

[obtuse quest]

That’s also direct use only

[little wigeon]

Yes I know, I said mana builder

[obtuse quest]

Ah fair

[little wigeon]

Like vengeance lmao

[slim mason]

like sentinel's time and rift node

[lost gale]

like vengeance without all the ancilliary benefits of becoming tanky

[junior rampart]

its kind of sucks that you need a lot of work around to proc harvest that COULD give you mana back but nah lets get fcked by the word DIRECT use

[obtuse quest]

Almost all good mana gen nodes are direct cast only-

Ehg doesn’t want you to get mana easily

[little wigeon]

Ripo blood is also direct

[junior rampart]

if i go mana stacking then im not scaling the hit part but the spell part and i dont want that 🙁

[buoyant gyro]

anyone ever seen a 4LP Marina's?

[tender ridge]

i've never had more than 2 drop

[obtuse quest]

No known records.

Best I seen is 3lp

[tender ridge]

3 is already very rare

[buoyant gyro]

damn, i was hoping it'd be discovered by now lmao

such a rare beauty

[lost gale]

unless you're a falconer

[obtuse quest]

Falconer is special-
Tbf Chaos Bolt’s refund is pretty good for a mana regen you can proc

[earnest lichen]

Surely servers are stable and working well by the time I'm home from work tonight

[lost gale]

even with the cap/nerfs they put on it it's still just better than anything other masteries get without impinging their action economy
just falconer things

[junior rampart]

yeah that could be nice i would have liked if the mana gain node woulds scale with the number of curses on the enemy

[tender ridge]

rogue gets effectively 0 resists on their tree, let them have something

[lost gale]

chaos bolt is good, but without -mana cost you generally only break even and it doesn't pay for the +mana cost stuff that CB can get

[obtuse quest]

Yeah it’s mostly for upkeep not mana gain, thus “refund”

[obtuse quest]

We would get like 10 mana per hit, like 40 mana per direct cast easily

Would be kinda dumb

[junior rampart]

but good

[obtuse quest]

Not good, broken.

Would be an auto select

[lost gale]

and shaman gets to cap resists almost for free, those overpowered so and sos

[lost gale]

that would be free, yeah, but fitting curses into your build really isn't free

especially if you need to use multiple to solve mana

[obtuse quest]

We get like 3 easily though

[junior rampart]

on flay+harvest+chaos bolt you can get 5

or 4

[obtuse quest]

Chaos bolt itself can give you 3 lmao

MfD, bone curse+ any bone curse amulet

[lost gale]

bone curse amulet is a real build cost tho, no nihilis +2 skills or rift beast +2 skills!

+2 skills should be a huge damage boost if your build is good

[obtuse quest]

But free crit chance or % more for dot

[charred ridge]

+skill is my favorite stat in games but honestly there's a ton of skills in LE that can't really take advantage of it

[odd spire]

Does increased bleed duration add damage? for example if you do 400 bleed damage over 4 seconds, would you do 600 bleed over 6 seconds with 50% increased duration? or would it just make the 400 bleed happen over 6 seconds?

[buoyant bear]

Yes

[obtuse quest]

Yes, 600 over 6 secs

[earnest lichen]

It does the same amount of damage over a longer duration iirc. It just makes it easier to get a bigger stack of bleeds

[junior rampart]

400 over 6 sec duration helps with more stacks

[odd spire]

hmmm... lol

[obtuse quest]

Duration extends the damage to match