💀┃acolyte

[slim mason]

cosplay chris pratt in jurassic world

[limber berry]

If people don't call their Frenzy Totem + 4 summon skill BMs "Jungle Beast Master" I am ignoring it

[slim mason]

when we getting giant gorillas

[arctic grotto]

If you are only talking about minion damage, this is tough. I heavily rely on using Lich's Scorn because it enables me to focus on investing alone in Intelligence for damage because of the 1% minion cold pen per Int which is huge. Not only that but boosting Int as a Necro increases not only minion damage but health as well as your own ward retention. It checks a lot of boxes for a Necro character. My order of priority in terms of maximum minion damage would be Minion Crit Multiplier > Minion Flat damage (small margin) > Int (minion hp, atk, and ur ward ret) > minion dmg. Also try to get as much minion atk nodes affected by modifiers to get the best damage from your minions as much as possible.

[slim mason]

cos i want DONKEY KONG~

[forest mica]

💀 Thanks

[abstract summit]

does the bleed pen also get converted to cold pen in harvest or im shit outta luck

[limber berry]

I don't believe so?

[abstract summit]

i mean tooltip def doesnt say it, just curious if anybody tried it

but then again that assumes people play harvest lol

[forest mica]

The only way is verify actual minion damage in game, alright... I have no idea how this node from assemble abomination affect minion damage

[arctic grotto]

Sadly to see the actual stats and damage of Abom abilities we have to check it in LE tools. Best ability or atk for Abom as I have seen from the snapshot Abom builds is that necrotic cleave attack that is gained by consuming wraiths. Very high damage affected by your Int as well. Forgot the name 💀

[forest mica]

that's info about tail slam.
I have no idea which node can I give up to active this node. 28 points still very nervous

Ohhhhhhh... I see!!!! You're right!

[arctic grotto]

Both abilities are very nice but if you sacrifice wraiths and vol zombies to abom he's going to be soft. Wraiths and Zombies hp scaling is really bad unlike maxed out skellys and skelly mages.

[forest mica]

This melee attack is quite more powerful because I can scale my intelligence with flat melee damage directly

[arctic grotto]

100+ Int for 100+ flat necro damage is beeeeg dmg

[abstract summit]

is there any tech to stack this up somehow in single target scenario?

[left whale]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYj9RE4A

i just focused on bleed and physical

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (34) / Necromancer (79)

General:

▸ Health: 2,119, Regen: 162.3/s
▸ Mana: 144.51, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 340%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 170 Str / 22 Dex / 170 Int / 22 Att / 47 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 82% / 89% / 99% / 99%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 232%, Threshold: 834
▸ Dodge Chance: 4% (120)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 68% (5,866)
▸ Block Chance: 101%, Mitigation: 33% (850)

Used skills:

Assemble Abomination / Summon Skeleton / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Infernal Shade

[forest mica]

But I'm not sure should I replace summon skeleton mage or summon skeletons... It mean maybe I should give up poison minion damage because necrotic minion damage is insane?

[arctic grotto]

Boi where is your damn dread shade lol

[left whale]

That dread is important

[arctic grotto]

Well if you love playing zoo you do you

Be happy, dont have to fit in society lol

[left whale]

Even thought they removed the always crit node

[arctic grotto]

W8 really? dafuq

[left whale]

Yep

[cyan ledge]

I wish to glue flay and Stygian coal together

I doubt it’s good

But it seems fun

[forest mica]

oh I still can play poison minion damage after replaced aura of decay with dread shade?

[arctic grotto]

I only remember crit for skellys affix in the body armor and thats it

[arctic grotto]

You can convert dread shade into poison thru a node yes

[left whale]

Yes

That dread gives a lotta boost for your minions both in dmg and attck speed

And high crit chance

[forest mica]

Cool, then I don't need aura of decay

[arctic grotto]

Aura of Decay can heal minions but minions could leech hp on their own to sustain their health

[left whale]

They only reason to use aura of decay if u using flay

Cause u can utilize it more

[arctic grotto]

No always crit for dread shade, now uber abby becomes more impossible for me without snapshotting yikes

[left whale]

So far i gotten to %30 crit chance with my build planner

With adding dread shade and others should go to %50

[forest mica]

I met a bug in letools unfortunately lol Just can't active vile chest

[left whale]

Huh

[arctic grotto]

The one you posted? You can use The Mantle of the Ox for more Str maxing and survivability, even with 1lp that thing is awesome with a T7 Str plus cleaver

[left whale]

Yea true

[obtuse quest]

Spam cast spirit plauge on the same target.

[left whale]

That cleaver is the best for utilizing that t.rex unique

[forest mica]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oR5rL2RB

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (78) / Lich (13)

General:

▸ Health: 3,550, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 312%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 138 Int / 2 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 74% / 72% / 92% / 98% / 105% / 123%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 710
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,617)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade

[forest mica]

1 point left in dread shade because I can't active vile chest

[arctic grotto]

You can invest it in the haste for faster Abom

[left whale]

Pretty good

Faster abom hella cracked

[forest mica]

Which node I can reduce 1 point to active that?

[left whale]

Meat grinder

On abom passives down bellow

Its not haste

But it stacks attack speed

[forest mica]

No result is found. Oh I guess this node can be gave up

[left whale]

Ohh damn my bad

I was thinking the node in abom

[arctic grotto]

You can remove symbiotic apparition because you have the all for one node. U know, cant get dread shade buffs if its no longer an aura and it is know a single minion buff

[forest mica]

yes I plan to use abomination only to attack enemies so

Because abomination will absorb another minions

[left whale]

On the your wand i would add flat minion spell dmg instead of poison penetration

[forest mica]

lol yes but I'm not sure why I can't...Find this affix

[left whale]

Interesting

Whats the zombie for?

Dmg?

[forest mica]

Ohhhh... Not. It's available but abomination deal melee damage only so spell damage make no sense

[forest mica]

I want to test tail slam lol

[left whale]

But tail slam is spell no?

[forest mica]

hah? Wait

[tall mural]

I just realized corrupted form would trigger AoD's absence of life node, 8% of your 50% missing hp

[forest mica]

ohhh it scale both of spell and melee

Cool, yes then I need more flat minion spell damage

[kind forge]

what do you even do for harvest now

cuz they made the flat dmg scale with dex

instead of int

[forest mica]

I need ask dev do 40 flat fire damage is melee or spell at first

[left whale]

Summon zombies 😂 i guess

[kind forge]

if it doesnt say then both

[left whale]

The more flat dmg the better

[kind forge]

lol

[tall mural]

I hate vessel of strife is my only option to scale ward regen with my hp regen

[left whale]

No primodail uniques

?

[kind forge]

you shouldnt look at it like that

you should look at it like if you didnt have vessel it doesnt even exist

so be greatful

thats kinda the identity behind vessel

[tall mural]

Or there could be more uniques following that same path to open up more builds, honestly I just had it's void themed. Void gets all the cool things

[kind forge]

to be fair the stat itself does exist on runemaster

but its weaker

its like 10-15% on his tree

[obtuse quest]

They are kinda scared to do it because shattered lance exists.

[tall mural]

with the new all set ring I get that

[kind forge]

honestly just let it

[obtuse quest]

Well we are having that access in 3 days TM

[kind forge]

to be fair the weaver idols did help a little to not be extremely dependant on vessel;

cuz of the ward gen idols

[tall mural]

Likely have enough ward gen just with the new passives honestly. But being at 50% with no leech is spicey

[kind forge]

i wonder what its gonna feel like lol

can go hybrid life and ward too

[tall mural]

I honestly think it will be fine

[kind forge]

because you can let dots bleed through

[tall mural]

Because bed of souls is just silly

[kind forge]

whas dat

[kind forge]

oh lol

dang lich has so many attributes now sadge

[tall mural]

But Im thinking Drainlife, using AoD and standing there firing off poison bolts like no ones business

[old hull]

Yeah, it makes it much easier to get AoD to full heal you each second

[tall mural]

Well, as full as it can because you cant go up passed 50%

[left whale]

Man i want play season 3 so badly

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-eric-andre-wanna-come-in-gif-13730108

[kind forge]

50% also becomes low life

[tall mural]

yes

[kind forge]

so that low life passive is just always trippled

[tall mural]

Lich can just have like...300% increased dmg between that one and the leech nodes

[kind forge]

how do you not die with the leech nodes?

[tall mural]

Im planning on using ward, since you can get a ton of it for missing health and using drain life

[kind forge]

oh so just ignore life entirely

[tall mural]

No, I'll still have half my HP pool

[kind forge]

lol

[abstract summit]

why take corrupted form tho

[old hull]

Yeah, can't ignore life because your ward gets capped by your life too

It literally fills the upper half of your health globe, kinda cute

[vivid ruin]

Plenty of life gain from chaos bolts without leech.

[tall mural]

30% more health and ward is pretty compelling for corrupted form

I do have to skip reaper tho

[kind forge]

hmmmmm

[abstract summit]

*24, first point is free 😄

[kind forge]

i might play marrow ... cuz we can cast it through rip blood now

[abstract summit]

im also building meme atm 👀

[kind forge]

just get a lot of cast speed and all of the life stuff in rip blood to sustain the cost of marrow shards

[tall mural]

I really do wanna just do single cast Rip Blood and watch and see how many chains I can get

[kind forge]

did they buff arcane absorbtion?

didnt it not have the double flat dmg to rip blood itself

[vapid kindle]

they halved the amount you get though

[kind forge]

oh so im also not insane about that

[vapid kindle]

so it’s the same for rip blood and half for everything else

[kind forge]

gg

ye

ye nvm neutral to nerf

[tall mural]

I wish CB had a poison conversion, Id use that instead of drain life

[abstract summit]

~2k mana for a DoT build aint bad for a meme right? 😄

[forest mica]

#👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs message

[kind forge]

ic

[forest mica]

Ok I can slam flat minion spell damage on that wand now

[left whale]

Do it

[tall mural]

I guess I could use flay

[abstract summit]

what do you want to do

[forest mica]

Done, I need to do my painting now

[tall mural]

Im AoD maxing, I wanna see how many poison stacks I can get these poison bolts to apply

Actually, harvest for healing might be really good

[kind forge]

ew

they nerfed the health gain on rip blood

wasnt it 10 before by default

[left whale]

Yes

[pearl snow]

yeah

[left whale]

Its 5 now i think

[kind forge]

ye

which also makes the 5% passive scale worse

[abstract summit]

just transfer the aura to boss, then you dont need any healing 5head 😄

[tall mural]

we have cleanse belts, the poison stacks are nbd now

[kind forge]

heal the boss

if you transfer it they also get all the buff effects if you had buff effects on it

so they would heal for their 8% missing health xD

if you had that

mana feast got buffed now i think?

didnt it used to only grant 3 mana on direct cast?

now it does 3 and then 3x on rares and bosses

still like nothing

but better than nothing

[abstract summit]

i need help

[kind forge]

help me 2

[tall mural]

I wonder exactly how much HP I can actually get

[abstract summit]

I think LE tools dev also needs some help

[kind forge]

lol

[abstract summit]

HL is good but not THIS good lol

[tall mural]

I mean, it's 300% just with the passive tree, I wouldnt doubt it could hit that

...wait

If it DOES do all leech, wtf is Woven Flesh gonna do with that node?

[abstract summit]

LE tools please 😭

[shadow jacinth]

Yeah, somethin def borked there

Unless you somehow managed to get 490% life degen

[tall mural]

I could go full man mode and wear a Titan heart with corrupted form, playing ironman mode the build

I forget do you want flat or % health

[kind forge]

oh nvm that sucks

it wasnt buffed

it was nerfed

ngl

crimson gluttony is kinda nice

just having a little bit of an introduction to that mechanic

[old hull]

Well kinda, but also it can proc a ton of times per cast now

[kind forge]

how do the blood orbs work exactly

is it every enemy hit?

[old hull]

Yeah, every enemy hit makes an orb

[kind forge]

and does it include secondary hits like bloodsplatter?

[old hull]

Maybe. Blood splatter is really weird now, not sure how it works.

[idle knot]

ye new blood splatter description is wierd af

[abstract summit]

% on chest

[tall mural]

I'm just gonna do both right now, I just wanna see how high I can get this to go lol

I do know that the crit belt is gonna be a godsend for corrupted body builds, literally can heal all three resources with a button press

[kind forge]

kinda feels pointless that it cant hit the same enemy multiple times

[idle knot]

ye i think it's a skip now . went for diffy nodes on my new witchfire

[hearty briar]

agree, I don't think it's worth anymore

[kind forge]

i mean

eeeeeeeeeh

ye not worth

if you were clearing you would be using a better skill

[old hull]

All it seems to be is an area boost I guess

[abstract summit]

i never did a calc for a DoT build, does attribute scaling of a skill transfer to DoTs it applies? or only more damage multis?

[kind forge]

yes

[idle knot]

it does apply

[kind forge]

flat spell dmg wouldnt tho right?

[old hull]

Everything applicable to it works

[abstract summit]

okie thx

[old hull]

If the DOT deals spell damage it works (like torment)

[tall mural]

So, I can get about 4k hp, so 2k hp and ward without really breaking the bank on things.

[abstract summit]

that's kinda bad tbh

[tall mural]

Like this is all t5s, nothing special, Im reasonably certain you could hit about 3k each with actual investment

[left whale]

Alright fine
Blood splatter theory crafting time

[tall mural]

The big kicker really would come if you have endurance capped

[abstract summit]

but what's the point if you could just get 8-10k ward a la nature

[tall mural]

Because I can

I do things not because they are optimal, but because they can be done, it's fun for me

[abstract summit]

okie

[kind forge]

ic ... was trying to see if the bleeds from rip blood would be scaled by its own spell dmg buff

[old hull]

Nope, but the tether is

[tall mural]

I'm also trying to see the logic as to why they would put something like that there

BEcause right now, numbers aint great ngl

[abstract summit]

ye it's giga bait lol

if endurance would protect the half ward just for this passive i would say okay, it's fun and flavourful

[obtuse quest]

Nothing, overkill leech is ignored and jsut removed.

[tall mural]

Like, I could see it working IF you could scale enough regen on both sides and could be outside of oneshot range for most things

But that 100% means using strife

[old hull]

It's a pretty good node, like ignoring ward corrupted form is overall about 10% less EHP and gives you access to cool stuff like low/missing health effects and endless leech

[tall mural]

I mean, you're gonna have ward, it's so easy to gen just with the passives alone

[kind forge]

i see

[tall mural]

what we really need is some way to apply endurance to ward at a lesser value, that would be perfect

[kind forge]

ok if it doesnt thats just sad

[tall mural]

It doesnt

It's still more functional than that Grim Constitution shield

Heck I'd take dmg taken to mana before ward

[old hull]

I don't think leech is removed anymore, should work for scornful blood

[tall mural]

If that is true that is a BIG number

[old hull]

Only mage has that so far

[formal sparrow]

how do you calculate wether your dying or surviving with the hp drain stuff? are you forced to take leech nodes in passives?

[tall mural]

It's definitely a lot of work for mediocre payback, since going LL ward is so much easier

[formal sparrow]

like the hp drain and ward etc stuff

[tall mural]

I dont think hp drain kills you

[primal remnant]

can someone explain me how mana cost modifiers apply to Ghostflame ?
there is +2 channel cost from Disdain, then increased channel cost from Spirit of Dread, then less channel cost from Spectral Menace, then -30% channel cost (reduced ? less ? not worded) from Harrowing Path, and then mana efficiency for ghostflame from idols.

[formal sparrow]

i mean more keeping up ur hp/ward cuz mobs will hit you and youll have the hp drain etc

[tall mural]

Oh that, yes, you have to have some form of recovery to outpace it or you are going ward and the HP drain doesnt matter

[formal sparrow]

i meant how do i know if im fine or not fine with my planner

like

[abstract summit]

seed of ekki

[formal sparrow]

with sorc i just get ward retention and some hp and im chilling but here i cant quite tell if im like squishy tanky or inb etween

[abstract summit]

oh wait that's health huh

[old hull]

+/- cost effects are applied first, then % effects. Some of the %s are additive and some are multiplicative. I don't remember off the top of my head, I can look it up tomorrow if you want, but I think just the movement related ones are added together.

[primal remnant]

I'm respeccing an old necro to check it, thanks.

And what about efficiency on idols ? Sadly I don't have any to test

it's not worded as reduced cost so I feel it doesn't add up with other increased/reduced sources

[tall mural]

like, it feels like they want to push a hybrid playstyle with this but I just cant see it working

[abstract summit]

surely this is the time when this node will finally shine

[kind forge]

no kek

[tall mural]

You still get more out of just going LL though lol

[abstract summit]

i mean im on 1/3352 HP lol

[tall mural]

finely shredded

[kind forge]

lol

[abstract summit]

and we gonna trigger this like 100 times a second

[kind forge]

probably not

wait how

[abstract summit]

and we will have like...600% frostbite chance for each hit

[tall mural]

Flay tech is busted xD

[abstract summit]

so if this still doesnt do damage, then it never will 😄

[primal remnant]

My guess regarding life drain is you have to choose between ll ward with drain, and the new low-life hybrid with life/ward capped at 50% max life, but with no drain

[abstract summit]

wait talking about it it kinda sounds more busted than i initially thought lol

[old hull]

All your efficiency is added up and then multiplied on at the end as 1/(1+efficiency)

[primal remnant]

flay->CB gonna get some well-deserved nerf

[tall mural]

The numbers just dont add up for the 50/50 sadly

[abstract summit]

tbh i dont know how they didnt cap that trigger node lol

[primal remnant]

OK, thanks ! feels hard to sustain moving ghostflame, I'll check if I manage it

[abstract summit]

on the other hand, as soon as they cap CB procs flay is kinda deadge

[old hull]

It is quite tough, but it is doable with enough investment

[kind forge]

its gonna be weird

im just imagining right now uh

like

since the ward doesnt get any low life benefits like endurance the only thing that is in its favor right now is that ward is easy to sustain

but like

what could happen is you take the passive that lets dots ignore ward

so then you sustain hits with ward and dots with life recovery mechanics

[tall mural]

I dont think a cap will kill it at all, but finding that line between busted and dead is always a pain in games like this

[kind forge]

honestly i think its gonna be ded

its a bit messy

[abstract summit]

i mean ye but based on their existing caps it's gonna be like less than 10 a second, which is a kill compared to a 100

[tall mural]

for the ward thing, it's still just inferior to running life or LL ward because you have a bigger buffer and all those things still work the way they are supposed to, so your returns are better

[primal remnant]

Life is your core defense, with endurance, leech and some regen to absorb DoT, while ward is an extra against OS

[tall mural]

only your OS protection and all those benefits are still better just running one of them is my point

[old hull]

It's not super different to running just life

[primal remnant]

the thing is, with death seal not removing ward, I dont see why not favoring ll ward over this

[abstract summit]

this is my mana when spirit battery is up lol

[kind forge]

kinda

you lose half your life and its replaced with ward

its basically just flavor text in that respect

[abstract summit]

28 procs per flay, ez

[tall mural]

I mean it does give you a ton of hp as end thresh, I'll give it that

[kind forge]

half your life as red life and half your life as white life

lel

[tall mural]

I imagine you could basically get it to cover your entire hp pool in most instances

[old hull]

Well, I mean just the life part. Once you accout for all the more health and endurance, it's not much different EHP

[kind forge]

ye but like

if your life was 100% then your endurance would have covered that 50%

or close to it

[tall mural]

your endurance only covers what is at your threshold and below that

[kind forge]

ye ik

[old hull]

and being locked below 100% also means your leech doesn't end when you reach 100% health

[kind forge]

your leech ends at 66% because of the other passive ... but since your capped at 50% from the first passive it just keeps going as if it were never full uwu

[tall mural]

It's an easy trigger is the only gimmic I can give it, but that's easy to do with LL now that you can convert your leech into dmg

[old hull]

Leech normally ends at 100%

[kind forge]

ye but the last passive on the tree caps it at 66% but with some big leech buffs

[abstract summit]

okay, i dont have 100 procs a second on this build

[tall mural]

for shame

[hearty briar]

94 procs is insanity

[old hull]

Yeah, and corrupted form and low life both let you use that node if you want, while regular life generally would avoid it

[kind forge]

ye

[tall mural]

I do appreciate how you can just go raw stats aco because lich gets so many freaking extra stats

[abstract summit]

how do I model that DOTs dont need to penetrate armour? do i add max armor shred multiplier or it's just simply 0?

[kind forge]

but im imagining corrupted form would take priority over accursed feast

meaning your health also couldnt be leeched above 50%

[tall mural]

I have no idea, dont ask me to math this late

[obtuse quest]

0, it effectively ignores armour and armour shred. (Most mobs do not have armour)

[obtuse quest]

Health drains are current %, and will only drop you to 1hp by itself.

[tall mural]

58 int and 27 vit with no items, good lord

[abstract summit]

ye int stacking is pretty easy on aco

[tall mural]

oh and 17 dex XD

[obtuse quest]

Int stacking is like aco's identity lmao

[kind forge]

idk harvest is gonna be weird now

cuz like

the flat dmg wants dex

but

the health leech passive inside harvest still wants int

and you dont get much dex

at least as easily as int

[abstract summit]

i save you a round

even with 700 flat it's kinda meh lol

[kind forge]

lol

[tall mural]

Go Cleaver Solution, stack Str and Dex

[kind forge]

oh and also

how do you get 6 unique ailments easily

to cap that one harvest passive

[tall mural]

poison and bleed are easy

[old hull]

Proof that she was better than that old guy that taught her

[pearl snow]

depends on the build but damned poison bleed and ignite or frostbite is easy 4

[obtuse quest]

Curses count-

[kind forge]

are they trying to make harvest into a warlock skill?

[tall mural]

to bad she lost her face for it

[obtuse quest]

Litrerally any debuff counts

Res shred, armour shred...

[tall mural]

That node is there to give you more hit damage with it since Aco gets so many debuffs

[pearl snow]

feels more like harvest is more aligned with all of them now

[obtuse quest]

You'll probably accidentally do like 3-4 without thinking

[kind forge]

idk i still dont see it for necro

the minion stuff is kinda meh

[kind forge]

ye ik poison bleed

[obtuse quest]

Armour shred, res shred, slow, frail...

[kind forge]

probably bone curse armour shred and chill? cuz all 3 of those would come from bone curse

[pearl snow]

minions can inflict damned easily cant they

without much invest

[kind forge]

oh ye true the res shred

ok ye so capping that passive is kind of free

[pearl snow]

plus the stuff kzb said

[old hull]

And MfD from bone curse

[kind forge]

i think you get like 4 from bone curse

[grim rune]

after all this stuff it's so hard to decide DoT flay or crit flay ;C

[tall mural]

So, if you toss a single curse in there, harvest can get up to 142% more dmg with hits vs cursed targets that's ...thats alot

[kind forge]

you get armour shred ... bone curse ... you get chill ... you get slow ... and you get mfd

oh 5

and then you can get poison or necrotic res shred from harvest itself

[old hull]

Yeah, and minimum 1 to travel to that harvest node anyway

[kind forge]

ye

ok now im kinda sad it only caps at 6

LOL

[obtuse quest]

LMAO

180 within 15 minutes

[formal sparrow]

But like is the 1%leech of lich gonna outset that or do I need a good lot more yknow

[tall mural]

it's only dbl dmg nbd

You're gonna want more leech

[formal sparrow]

Also what do you llay until u unlock flau

Flay*

[grim rune]

how much ~dex to actually make that harvest work

20 seems low :C

[kind forge]

harvest uwu

[tall mural]

20 is still 40 flat, which isnt bad

[kind forge]

also looks like they nerfed crit

on the lich tree

used to have 100% now only 50%

and also crit nerfs inside of harvest

[obtuse quest]

Depends on what you WANT to do.
If you want to stay at low life anyway (Exsang), then you don't care lmao.
If you want to have actual health, then maybe you need a bit more, or just do more damage.

[kind forge]

OOOOOOH

right

exanguinus + bleed AoD

and then the always lowlife passive

[obtuse quest]

That was literally the first thing people thought within 30 mins of the patch notes dropping, it's like a litmus test for any vet acolyte player LMAO

But ye

[kind forge]

ye

XD

[obtuse quest]

Solves bleed AoD self damage.

[kind forge]

but question is why would you want bleed AoD

[abstract summit]

so uhm, I need help

[kind forge]

its like the least damaging dot AoD can use

[abstract summit]

it cannot be that one frostbite does 120k on dummy right

[obtuse quest]

AoD lowers resist of it's damage type properly now so Bleed AoD is free -phys res.

[tall mural]

you can also wear exsang and ignire the bleed

[obtuse quest]

Probably 120k over X seconds.

[abstract summit]

ye i mean full duration ofc

[obtuse quest]

Okay just making sure-

[kind forge]

ye we know that

it was just like

[grim rune]

120k over 3 sec

[abstract summit]

but it's kinda cooked if i didnt mess up the math

[kind forge]

you can ignore bleed aod but i dont see the reason to use bleed aod over poison or frostbite version

cuz bleed is the worse of the 3 dots

[tall mural]

how would I know what everyone here knows?

[obtuse quest]

Not too much reason.
It's mostly "Hey, AoD can murder enemy res now with converts!"

And you can do that and NOT have to deal with the downside.

[kind forge]

true

[tall mural]

I think bleed AoD with bleed Ghostflame would be really good honestly

[obtuse quest]

-res = int is no joke

[kind forge]

oh another downside of converting

you arent converting the reaper form buff to counteract the aod self nerf

[grim rune]

if ur calc is good it's 'just' 40k/sec per 1 frostbite

[obtuse quest]

There's a few other ways to mess with that now like sending aod away from you

[kind forge]

oh wait yes we can

if you convert reaper form to phys you can convert the int scaling buff to phys

[tall mural]

I have no idea what I would do with all this str on an Aco, but uh, turns you can get a lot of stats

Wait, use the Trex relic

[abstract summit]

so uhmm

[tall mural]

300 flat melee, 100% attack and cast speed, 100 phys pen

[abstract summit]

guys is 560 stacks of frostbites a second good

[tall mural]

Nah, garbage really

[kind forge]

actually now that i think about it

the bleed version might be how you make it into RF

[abstract summit]

mind you I also have flay and harvest applying them im just giga lazy to add those up as well 😄

[kind forge]

cuz then you could go take the big 50% rate passive

[abstract summit]

oh also AOD

[tall mural]

Flay also gives AoD a more ailment freq mod

[abstract summit]

this is cooked

[obtuse quest]

Doom's vindication doesn't apply twice, the 2nd one is hit damage.

[obtuse quest]

Yes.

[tall mural]

So, it would definitely take some work because you need t6s in pretty much every free slot, but by the gods would your dino be on some serious juice

[abstract summit]

true true thank you

holdover from my previous sheet lol

[obtuse quest]

No other major mistakes I can see assumnig the numbers are correct

[grim rune]

it will be even more than 560 if we take all stuff

[kind forge]

basically this

[obtuse quest]

Wait 1.6k from grave for two? How much hp do you have

[tall mural]

Oh, and he also gets 900 base health at lvl 100 wth

[kind forge]

you would just have to deal with the 6 mana degen which wouldnt be that hard

[abstract summit]

so ye that's what i wanted somebody to double check

im sitting at 1 HP

[tall mural]

I might actually play necro for once

[abstract summit]

out of like 3500

[kind forge]

24 + 36 + 50 on that tree

[obtuse quest]

That's 174.9 not 1746

💀

Should be 1.67(+1 base so probably 2.67)

[abstract summit]

truuuu

then we are not cooking 😄

[pearl snow]

Kzb wish me luck im going poison on start

[obtuse quest]

You're insane

I'm going DoT start lmao

Or maybe max attack speed flay blink

[pearl snow]

Ill be DoT until I blood explosion spam

Then ill be DoT

Again

[pure mantle]

anyone mana stacking for flay?

[pearl snow]

Lots plan to I think

[abstract summit]

okay then the hit build is better

thanks for ze corrections

it's still 2-3M-ish on uberroth kinda so not bad

[kind forge]

wait do i actually wanna play bleed

lol

[obtuse quest]

That's literally the default setup for Flay.

[obtuse quest]

Explosion chain?

[abstract summit]

mana stack while you can lmao

[obtuse quest]

For the ailment spread?

[pure mantle]

what items/stats are people doing for big mana pool cause im just not seeing much

[abstract summit]

executioner's tithe and reliquarys nest

[tall mural]

Im looking at the numbers on this dread shade buffed Trex and it's wild

[kind forge]

ye i forget whats actually good for bleed ... but owo

[abstract summit]

oh do tell me more

[kind forge]

that with bleed aura of decay

for phys RF

[tall mural]

So, if you use Cleaver solution, and stack Str and Dex, you can get 100 in str,dex, and int, which gives Trex 300 flat melee dmg, 100% increase attack and case speed, and 100% phys pen, and then you buff that with dread shade

[grim rune]

the new gloves xd

[pearl snow]

Yeah explosion and wandering spirit proc to get poison stacks

[obtuse quest]

What Wacsa listed, Executioner's Tithe (New axe) and Reliquary's nest.

[kind forge]

i just thought salted because you get alot of crit multi as lich

[pearl snow]

Too bad Damned wasn’t buffed at all

I had a DoT dream

[grim rune]

yeah for lich maybe. I'll go warlock with these + fissure

[pearl snow]

I do have an ignite idea though

[tall mural]

Is it infernal shade?

[pearl snow]

No using flay and cb

Maybe cb

Its pretty gear dependent

I wont know if the build is as bad as I think until I get in game though. Lots of conversion n shit

[kind forge]

get like 300% bleed chance ... which would be about 16 bleeds per second ... and they would basically have double duration ... and they would have alot of phys dot leech

idk i think it would be black hole ignite levels of meme

[abstract summit]

after doing like 3 sheets on it just plug in 90 CB procs and 2500 mana into whatever you want to test, and you were still conservative

[grim rune]

i mean my build got 1700% bleed chance

in end setup XD

[kind forge]

ye divide that by 3 and then multiply it by 8

[tall mural]

I also just realized that because of the new lich Vit scaling regen node, Bone Golems life regen is going to be insane

[kind forge]

600 for 7 stacks per second

7 stacks per tick

x8 for 8 per second

56 bleeds per second

[tall mural]

I dont suppose we have any way to get Vit to deal damage?

[abstract summit]

wrong channel

[tall mural]

I fail to see how it's the wrong channel xD

[abstract summit]

we aint in sentinel anymore Draven 😄

[tall mural]

Im aware?

[grim rune]

for mono farm with xplosion it might be really fun meme but im afraid bleed lock will still suck on bosses xd

still mono farmer > bosser for starter

[kind forge]

well i was doing this on lich but honestly i dont know why

because exanguinous would make the downside irrelivant

either way

well i guess the int to phys resist downside would still be a thing

[tall mural]

I guess technically you could make cold golems and buff their weird spell XD

[kind forge]

um uh um

convert to cold

then share it with minions

100% frostbite chance

for minions

[abstract summit]

i needed to look up if you are trolling or cold golems actually exist

[kind forge]

i mean kind of

cold golem likes to scale vitality tho

[tall mural]

summon golem has a node that says your vitality gives them 1 freeze rate and 1 dmg to their grasp spell

[grim rune]

xd

[abstract summit]

lol

[tall mural]

They would get 150% of your really baller regen, so they'd be tanky at least

[abstract summit]

i think we werent the only ones forgetting about its existence

[tall mural]

Marrow shards scaling some way off Vit would make thematic sense honestly

[abstract summit]

it does need flat so would be cool

[tall mural]

Just you and your pointy little golem friend walking around fat af

shooting literal finger guns at people

[grim rune]

guys does this node work with ?

so it's spread bleed instead ignite?

[pure mantle]

Do you have a link for your mana stacker @abstract summit ?

[tall mural]

oh no, I just found a dw combo that gives me 100% poison and bleed pen

[unkempt saddle]

It says „converted ailments are also spread“ so I‘m assuming yes 😅

[grim rune]

oh

i didnt see that lmfao

[abstract summit]

im just mathing and influencing, planner is Bwz's: #💀┃acolyte message
this is the best so far imo

we will change the belt to immolator's oblation but other than that it is kinda done, some last 5% adjustment could be still made

[pure mantle]

cheers, just wanted to see where people are getting the big parts of mana from

[abstract summit]

idols, relic, axe, seed, nihilis, t7 slams everywhere, basically that's it

[tall mural]

I wonder how flay feels with using the spell conversion

[abstract summit]

keep in mind the effect of the relic is not reflected on teh stats page so it has ~200 more mana than shown

and another +48% when spirit battery buff from the axe is up

2700ish total

[tall mural]

The seeds of undeath node in harvest feels like it should have been in Flay since flay has that weird spell scaling as well. You could kill with flay, zombie gets summoned, blows up, leaves an infernal shade then it blows up

I like how you can just trigger almost everything with flay, even as a spell it's wild

[obtuse quest]

Exactly what Warlock felt when it came out.

[grim rune]

can i somehow make these icons smaller? im testing something but amount of summons is too much XD

[kind forge]

lol

[pure mantle]

gonna try and use the primordial amulet that converts to physical instead of this. hopefully not hindering my mana too much

[brittle blaze]

Anyone have the same build but lvl 100, this my first time playing. Only 16 hours in and lvl 67, also would like a good weavers tree to go with it. Thanks in advance

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/olZRRJ6Q

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 70

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Tombs of the Erased / 1.2

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (61)

General:

▸ Health: 1,114, Regen: 16.51/s
▸ Mana: 95.35, Regen: 8/s
▸ Ward Retention: 194%, Regen: 81/s
▸ Attributes: 1 Str / 8 Dex / 49 Int / 2 Att / 6 Vit
▸ Resistances: 109% / 121% / 72% / 33% / 52% / 205% / 81%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 35%, Threshold: 223
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (83)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 21% (531)

Used skills:

Summon Skeleton / Summon Wraith / Summon Skeletal Mage / Dread Shade / Summon Volatile Zombie

[vivid ruin]

Is that using flay with mana stacking to proc cbs for frostbite?

[zenith current]

👀

morning everyone

[left whale]

Morning

[zenith current]

so i think i pushed my necrotic mana stacker lich as far as I can

onto build nr 2

i was thinking of a cleaver str stacking Fangs of the berserker build.

and thicc harvest leech

Drain Life is the other option

but that's only leveraging half the item

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzCsBZwNiA This one

actually, can maybe use Primal Cadence instead

ah its both primordials, nvm

Oh

there we go

ah shit gotta dual wield in this

Aight this is kinda wild

All right

whats the easiest source of frenzy

for acolyte

Transplant I guess

with a bit of cdr would do it

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bae3jwaB Conceptually, something along those lines

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (80) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,261, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 230%, Regen: 61/s
▸ Attributes: 95 Str / 25 Dex / 95 Int / 8 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 60% / 60% / 60% / 73% / 82% / 80% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 497
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (517)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,384)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Harvest / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Bone Curse / Transplant

[zenith current]

thicc Harvest Leech and combine Bleed int stacking with leech dot from belt

Um

am I reading this right

Ummm

[obtuse quest]

LEtools did an oopsie

[zenith current]

@ebon mica 👀

looks like I'm getting 100% inc damage(99.75%?) per 1% leech

while it should be 18% inc per at 3 points Hollow Lich

still a LOT stronger than I anticipated, not gonna lie

[zenith current]

if my math is correct the real value should be like 5.54x lower, which is still good (1372% total)

oh boy

[mighty tundra]

tf

[mighty tundra]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/QdOJd8eA damn it i got excited for mine also lol

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (66) / Warlock (27)

General:

▸ Health: 4,266, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 440.51, Regen: 22.4/s
▸ Ward Retention: 268%, Regen: 86/s
▸ Attributes: 22 Str / 33 Dex / 109 Int / 16 Att / 25 Vit
▸ Resistances: 72% / 72% / 72% / 101% / 55% / 186% / 100%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 46%, Threshold: 938
▸ Dodge Chance: 40% (1417)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,551)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 94%

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Chaos Bolts / Aura Of Decay / Harvest

[mighty tundra]

gotta keep working on it

more leech probably

[zenith current]

i think harvest and bleed is nice but im not sure if i dont wanna abuse melee damage bonus instead

[mighty tundra]

yeah it's easy to get enough dexterity that i should be able to proc harvest from chaos bolts consistently enough, so i feel like it's an easy slot in

some of these nodes are nuts

[zenith current]

well the thing is

belt wants you stacking str

[mighty tundra]

how are you gonna solve the survivability? That's a lot of increased damage taken

[zenith current]

Yeah that's the other problem

Technically

you leech so hard

you only die to one shots

[mighty tundra]

i only die to one shots anyway

or wengari axe throwers

I wonder if slotting in some poison chance will be enough to proc poison overload so i can get consistent frenzy from idols

[zenith current]

Null portent does help alleviate the dmg taken increase for sure

[mighty tundra]

indeed

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Bae3W0rB stuffed with res

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (80) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,766, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 230%, Regen: 61/s
▸ Attributes: 95 Str / 25 Dex / 95 Int / 8 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 100% / 100% / 95% / 102% / 102% / 84%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 608
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (517)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 60% (4,384)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Harvest / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Bone Curse / Transplant

[ebon mica]

This is fixed now. Thanks for pinging me.

[zenith current]

583%. That's closer to what I expected.

no problem 😄

[ebon mica]

It's still kinda bugged though, hm :/

[zenith current]

Looking for outliers is kind of my thing

it'd be nice if there was a field showing leech modifiers in other or somewhere, that being said

the figure doesn't seem to list anywhere

[mighty tundra]

ok there we go, probably back to using reaper form and normal leech lol

[ebon mica]

For some reason if Hollow Lich is allocated, Leech is set to zero

[mighty tundra]

that sounds like a pain, thank you for your hard work however!

[zenith current]

maybe cause Scornful Blood ? It says "instead of healing you" so perhaps therein lies the problem

The leech doesn't disappear, it just doesn't apply to you

i'd kill for a scornful blood dps calculator rn

xD

[gaunt abyss]

without scornful blood and with, in youre build planner

almost 600%

[zenith current]

yeah, you can get more

which is kinda cool honestly

that you can get to regular phys% scaling with %leech instead

this feels suicidal but feels like an excellent build 2

[gaunt abyss]

ima probably will do some similar build to you

[zenith current]

this is definitely not a starter

[gaunt abyss]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/uw6sf0g9 this is think as a starter, and then do other stuff with lich

[zenith current]

9% inc damage taken + dual wield is kinda suicidal

[gaunt abyss]

im playing SC, no HC for me XD i will break my pc

but will change it, i dont like how it planned much

[zenith current]

I am weighing bleed vs Necrotic hit, it feels like a waste of mana not to use the 20% spell dam multi

[gaunt abyss]

low life build with cap for ward?

[zenith current]

id just drop corrupted form and go scornful blood here

all this leech is messing with your missing health ward

[gaunt abyss]

but then you have no leech, how you gonn astay alive?

[zenith current]

ward

[gaunt abyss]

2k-2.5k ward wont do much

oh nvm

[zenith current]

?

[gaunt abyss]

wired, it dosent show leech %

[harsh warren]

I am a little surprised how many people are taking the 50/50 ward health with all the new health decay support

i'm stoked to have 1 life and six billion ward regen

[zenith current]

for a starter you're putting a lot of faith in getting that font of the erased, vise of the giant and the amulet.

[gaunt abyss]

its good, but depend how you build

[zenith current]

new health decay support? that being?

[lost gale]

have we had an answer about what modifies scornful blood damage?

[zenith current]

Nope, i asked like 2 days ago, still nothing

[gaunt abyss]

it pair really well with this

[zenith current]

i keep bumping

[harsh warren]

another 5 points in acolyte, several nodes in lich for more decay per second, more% for dots based on your life lost per second, and ward gen based on missing life

[lost gale]

no, leech rate is a bad stat if you have overleech

[harsh warren]

I'm eating that with hollow lich

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BaeyMDxB

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (31) / Lich (68) / Warlock (14)

General:

▸ Health: 1,955, Regen: 27.2/s
▸ Mana: 213.51, Regen: 17.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 204%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 12 Str / 12 Dex / 82 Int / 18 Att / 20 Vit
▸ Resistances: 120% / 55% / 95% / 123% / 110% / 151% / 140%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 430
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (65)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 24% (1,026)

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Bone Curse / Aura Of Decay / Death Seal / Flay

[lost gale]

you get overleech for free with the 50% health cap, you want to avoid leech rate increases

[zenith current]

oh you mean all the missing health ward, yeah thats all good if you dont mind dropping Reaper

[harsh warren]

I'm for sure not running reaper

[gaunt abyss]

i meant as a general idea for a build, im preaty in making my own from scratch

[zenith current]

lemme revisit my bleed take

[slim mason]

We can cook with letools now?

Bleed ftw

[ebon mica]

How does Hollow lich supposed to work? E.g. if you have 10% spell damage leeched as health and 20% melee damage leeched as health and 3 points invested (6%), then you'll get 60% increased spell damage and 120% increased melee damage? Does this sound about right?

[gaunt abyss]

why no blood bond?
would melt bosses

[harsh warren]

where's that

oh, that requires a direct cast

[gaunt abyss]

you already taken blood catalyst

[harsh warren]

that's to turn off the blood orbs so i don't heal from it

[zenith current]

the wording seems to suggest any leech is turned into generic damage increase, not specific for that leech type. So 1% melee leech -> 6% inc damage , 1% spell leech -> 6% inc damage, 1% leech while transformed -> 6% inc damage while transformed , 1% Harvest leech -> 6% increased damage for Harvest

I'd confirm that.

[lost gale]

blood splatter seems pretty bad now given that it has zero impact on single target and the skill is AOE by default now

[ebon mica]

Yeah, the wording is kinda ambiguous :/

[zenith current]

I'll add that to my Scornful Blood question

[lost gale]

I don't think that the 1% harvest leech -> 6% increased damage for Harvest bit of that is true btw, you definitely don't get the leech but skill specific leech doesn't seem to translate to increased damage (though Melee Leech affix does...)

[zenith current]

kinda strange harvest leech would be singled out from all leech % sources

[gaunt abyss]

oh, its look like nice build.
why that relic and amulet tho?

[harsh warren]

relic is goofy, the shock chance converts to bleed chance, phys res is nice, very easily LP farmed for slams

[lost gale]

it's also stuff like life drain's inherent leech just doesn't seem to translate to an increase in damage afaik

[harsh warren]

amulet causes bone curse aura to trigger decrepify and marked for death

[lost gale]

I could be wrong, but that's what i've read

[obtuse quest]

Iirc it's supposed to be generic inc, according to old hollow lich's alt text.

[zenith current]

yeah the wording makes it sound like it should be generic

but ill confirm it in #👨┃ask-the-devs-not-support-no-bugs

[obtuse quest]

Oh hey the alt text is still there.

[gaunt abyss]

ohhh smart, 15% more dmg over time

bleed will goo brrrrrr

[harsh warren]

that's the plan!

[gaunt abyss]

i hope the gloves will be kinda easy to get

[harsh warren]

likewise lmao

[gaunt abyss]

https://maxroll.gg/last-epoch/planner/t566d0qa
close idea on a warlock

[harsh warren]

the red rings are placeholders for me rn, i don't expect 1lps anytime soon but i was doing the math for the mana regen needed to sustain the AoD node and bone curse aura drain

[gaunt abyss]

but the relic wont work as it give leech

[harsh warren]

I need the t7 amulet mana regen slam and about ~35% more elsewhere

[harsh warren]

looking

[ebon mica]

Okay, I left it as it was, generic.

[harsh warren]

-Vessel is really good, I didn't take it (even though the duration would be -great-) because i'm ducking the life heal on bleed stack.
-I don't think those tongue rings will convert their poison chance to bleed chance because that's on spell hit rather than generic hit? I am hopefully wrong, but the wording might be specific.
-I was torn between exile boots and last steps. you're not lowlife here via health decay so exile boots are wonderful
-plaguebearer my beloved
-see above about the spell hit wording on rings with your hat. i'm unsure if that ignite chance on spell hit will convert, especially because it's spell hit with fire skills. might work off of your fissure damage?
-are you hard casting infernal shade?

I dig the plan here

[zenith current]

Yea, ill let you know if this is not the case now

[forest mica]

@radiant ocean That's my abomination necromancer, already cooked. https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/oYjmXzlA

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (78) / Lich (13)

General:

▸ Health: 3,550, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 312%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 138 Int / 2 Att / 11 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 74% / 72% / 92% / 98% / 105% / 123%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 710
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,617)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Volatile Zombie / Dread Shade

[gaunt abyss]

not my build, so cant tell for sure.
will try to make something

[zenith current]

@ebon mica another small bug, seems like Death seal phys conversion doesn't seem to change tags

[harsh warren]

I'm unsure if it's supposed to, the node doesn't say it swaps the tags out, and it specifically calls out converting the death wave damage rather than the skill

one would hope it does swap tags tho

[zenith current]

would make it a weird exceptoin as it changes necrotic to phys damage and res scaling as well

[harsh warren]

I agree

[ebon mica]

It shouldn't

[zenith current]

ah cause it only affects wave of death?

and not the skill itself?

so odd

[radiant ocean]

Ow cool, didn't know there was an entire page for this hahaha
The build I was talking about:https://discordapp.com/channels/368953963267096586/414295382625878037/1406603595318689887

[ebon mica]

Yes, it affects only subskill.

[zenith current]

My bad!

[radiant ocean]

Hm... interesting, but why are you investing into crit, phys damage and cold damage instead of going all-in with the poison DoT?

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Qe37Yjxo here's how far I went with my bleed take

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (71) / Warlock (19)

General:

▸ Health: 2,482, Regen: 20/s
▸ Mana: 344.51, Regen: 17.52/s
▸ Ward Retention: 198%, Regen: 95/s
▸ Attributes: 10 Str / 10 Dex / 59 Int / 4 Att / 13 Vit
▸ Resistances: 69% / 69% / 69% / 65% / 73% / 98% / 64%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 496
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (40)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 31% (1,519)

Used skills:

Flay / Rip Blood / Aura Of Decay / Bone Curse / Death Seal

[zenith current]

i dont think i saw anyone do spell-only Flay

so it seemed like a good idea

[harsh warren]

I was really just slotting flay as a gap closer

Something To Press Right Click About

[zenith current]

yeah, here i kinda play around Rip Blood just for Blood tether, otherwise go ham with Flay casting

[harsh warren]

makes sense makes sense

[zenith current]

might be a bit iffy on mana tho

[vapid zenith]

blood tether seems insane but the fact that you have to direct cast rip blood every 3s makes it annoying

[zenith current]

If you can make space for Blood Revelry, using it each 5 Flays is not that bad

[harsh warren]

that's what I thought too. Unless i'm using rip blood manually as my only attack, I ain't doing all that

[zenith current]

there used to be builds that popped a metric ton of rip bloods

[radiant ocean]

Unless you make Rip Blood your base skill :D

[zenith current]

Where did go off to

those

like 9 rip bloods on transplant or some ish

[lost gale]

I think that sort of thing is totally still possible with bone curse aura, 4 hit bone curse & rip blood on bone curse ending

flay with chaos bolts would do it easily

[mighty tundra]

man it's hard to make space for anything when it comes to flay, there's so many nodes that feel mandatory for dot lol

[vapid zenith]

you're not going to stack as much bleed as a flay build unfortunately

[zenith current]

ya thats kinda why I'm not opting for dot, though has to be said this leech belt take is making me feel things

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/BglrRero found an old build to that effect

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 90

:white_check_mark: This character build is verified

Game Cycle / Version:

Harbingers of Ruin / 1.1.7

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (65) / Warlock (18)

General:

▸ Health: 3,350, Regen: 85.44/s
▸ Mana: 121.45, Regen: 10.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 213%, Regen: 0/s
▸ Attributes: 13 Str / 13 Dex / 49 Int / 0 Att / 23 Vit
▸ Resistances: 71% / 71% / 32% / 111% / 77% / 139% / 47%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 31%, Threshold: 670
▸ Dodge Chance: 5% (113)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 28% (1,172)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 64%

Used skills:

Rip Blood / Transplant / Bone Curse / Reaper Form / Death Seal

[mighty tundra]

interesting

i'm gonna be boring and just focus on lots of procs and lots of bleed

blood revelry only consumes 1 stack per cast anyway

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B5nDvbxo this build is shaping up to be very interesting build nr 2

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (80) / Warlock (13)

General:

▸ Health: 2,766, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 116.51, Regen: 9.12/s
▸ Ward Retention: 230%, Regen: 61/s
▸ Attributes: 95 Str / 25 Dex / 95 Int / 8 Att / 10 Vit
▸ Resistances: 100% / 100% / 100% / 95% / 102% / 102% / 84%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 58%, Threshold: 608
▸ Dodge Chance: 16% (517)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 49% (3,032)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 91%

Used skills:

Harvest / Reaper Form / Aura Of Decay / Bone Curse / Transplant

[zenith current]

Assuming I learn everything about Scornful Blood

[mighty tundra]

aren't you going to take like 26-30% increased damage from your belt alone?

[zenith current]

Ye, null portent offsets that

[mighty tundra]

since it's magnified by strength

true

maybe it's possible to fit 2 red rings in also at some point

[zenith current]

yeah

its definitely an end-game item

that reminds me

[mighty tundra]

are the new flay boots not worth it for you?

[zenith current]

its only worth for the mana-stacking variant

imo

for bleed id argue it isnt

[mighty tundra]

oh ye

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/Q0k4OKXA so far my build 1

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (20) / Lich (83) / Warlock (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,094, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 1,183.51, Regen: 22.88/s
▸ Ward Retention: 151%, Regen: 25/s
▸ Attributes: 5 Str / 15 Dex / 43 Int / 5 Att / 7 Vit
▸ Resistances: 84% / 84% / 84% / 78% / 68% / 101% / 93%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 59%, Threshold: 926
▸ Dodge Chance: 2% (60)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 41% (2,286)

Used skills:

Flay / Chaos Bolts / Harvest / Reaper Form / Rip Blood

[mighty tundra]

interesting

so many new ways to build lich

[zenith current]

I'm gonna give #💀┃acolyte a rest for a second, wanted to cook with https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/items/UAzDsBYCYDYg

[mighty tundra]

I've managed 3776 ward per second currently and I'm hoping along with ward gained per mana spent it'll be tanky enough

[gaunt abyss]

ya, im kinda lost with all the possibility's
like its all depands on what drop first XD

[harsh warren]

I'm not sold on what my leveling plan is prior to getting bleed AoD off the ground

probs just spirit plague

[lost gale]

mana anarchy? have they said that'll work without costing +13 mana per proj?

[forest mica]

how to go all of them with poison dot?

My build is use abomination to attack only.

[gaunt abyss]

sould be easy to stack tons of bleed anyway

[lost gale]

there's no way that +13 mana per proj is affordable right?

[zenith current]

oh that, i confirmed all chaos bolts have a chance per projectile

so im taking that out post haste

[lost gale]

yeah 15 for a bolt with extra damage seems uh, ambitious

[zenith current]

you can do seed of chaos if youre feeling funky tho

[radiant ocean]

That build you put up invested into nodes on the passives that increase melee, phys and cold damage, as well as crit and intelligence stacking for even more crit.
Mine was all-in on the poison.

[gaunt abyss]

or wandering spirit, you just active and run XD

[mighty tundra]

I'm pretty set on a bleed build. Just depends on if i want to go hybrid health/ward low life reaper form or low life ward based without reaper form

[forest mica]

Which skill and which node?

[harsh warren]

or just hard cast rip blood with the blood tether node. live by the build die by the build level by the build

[gaunt abyss]

bleed kinda easy i think, and with the new blood theater you havee good dmg for bosses

[mighty tundra]

I'm gonna forego blood tether for now because i don't trust myself to press rip blood every 3 seconds lol

but if it ends up being really good then I'll change and learn

[harsh warren]

yea my full build isn't taking it because i mostly just have rip blood slotted for the hahas triggering during bleed overload

[mighty tundra]

of course

I want to trigger chaos bolt, rip blood and harvest

Should be able to get enough poison from harvest to have permanent frenzy against bosses with poison overload + the enchanted affix

[grim rune]

why no

[gaunt abyss]

dono, ppl on maxroll not think all the way sometimes

[grim rune]

and why someone took ignite and damned overload

if u dont apply them XDD

[obtuse quest]

Mantle's only 'issue' is that it only applies to the fissure itself, and not whatever else it spits out.

[radiant ocean]

passives: Invigorated Dead, Sharpened Bones, River of Bones, Blades of the Forlorn
Abom skill nodes is Cruel Monstrosity
Dread Shade nodes also spec into your minions dying, which with Solo-Abom isn't ideal.

[grim rune]

but u have 1 more point into

then even u spread bleed instead ignite

via tormenting

and then u can go bleed shade too...

[obtuse quest]

This one I'm not too sure why they didn't take.

[grim rune]

with blood gulch the spirits apply bleed

[mighty tundra]

it feels so wierd to have so much dodge rating on an acolyte lol

[grim rune]

additionaly instead going shades it would be evwen better to go phys chaos bolts xd

[wild depot]

i was wondering about hybrid hit-based + bleed phys lich, with chaos bolts, rip blood etc

and explody glove

[forest mica]

I want more minion crit chance and minion crit multiplier.

Do play poison minion damage mean it can go dot only?

[wild depot]

get a lot of flat spell phys dmg from staff etc

since the explody from glove is phys spell tagged

[obtuse quest]

Might run into a 'hybrid caused not enough damage on either' problem.

There's a reason people jsut focus on one.

[wild depot]

tru

maybe some global base crit and crit hit lol

would be funny to just scale the hit part of the explody

[radiant ocean]

Ow you can go both, its just that usually its better for your damage to focus on one thing.
Because why do you need the crit? Because DoT's can't crit.
Why not go for either big crits or big DoT's, instead of spreading yourself thin here.
Sometimes you can go for both, because scaling one scales the other, but there is no overlap here except leech on crit, and thats just to keep your Abom alive.

[forest mica]

alright, then I go all of them to necrotic damage.

The classic one

[lost gale]

@obtuse quest are you sure that the marrow shards subskills are just straight AOE damage novas and not projectiles? LET has it down as 9 projectiles and being the same subskill as sacrifice's bone nova

[radiant ocean]

Haha, fair, that one is tried and tested to be good yeah :)

[zenith current]

hmm yeah so far reflect armor looks like a meme

back to acolyte 😛

outside of ice golem, there's no offensive vit scaling on Acolyte, is there?

besides the more dot multiplier, I suppose

[grim rune]

it's per bone curse cast? or per hit on cursed enemy?

[radiant ocean]

Per hit I believe

[zenith current]

the latter

[grim rune]

oh my god if per hit it's so busted

[zenith current]

not that much

[grim rune]

im already at 2000% bleed chance

[zenith current]

chance means nothing without multipliers

and bone curse is like

what

less than 100%?

[forest mica]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/A1PKR2Zo
🤔 More damage for abomination too after changed skill combo

[stuck owl]

Necromancer, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (22) / Necromancer (81) / Lich (10)

General:

▸ Health: 3,518, Regen: 31.2/s
▸ Mana: 104.51, Regen: 9.6/s
▸ Ward Retention: 312%, Regen: 62/s
▸ Attributes: 8 Str / 8 Dex / 138 Int / 2 Att / 8 Vit
▸ Resistances: 82% / 74% / 72% / 92% / 98% / 102% / 108%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 34%, Threshold: 704
▸ Dodge Chance: 1% (32)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 44% (2,617)

Used skills:

Summon Skeletal Mage / Summon Skeleton / Assemble Abomination / Summon Wraith / Dread Shade

[harsh warren]

2k? dang, i was getting a modest 1200-1400

[zenith current]

so, question

does Abom have any Damage over time skills?

lemme check

[harsh warren]

do the spirit skulls it fires out apply haunt? that should be dot

[zenith current]

yea hungering skulls is one

[wild depot]

did you include the other ailments being changed to bleed by the gloves? i dont think LE planner converts those

[zenith current]

40 flat, 200% dot, 4.5 sec cooldown, kinda underwhelming

aura of rot might be better

4 poisons/sec is not bad

double strike is bleed

[harsh warren]

yea, added em up myself

[left whale]

Why arent u using this?

Thats mulitplicative

[zenith current]

What is "all types" exactly?

[wild depot]

is 180% phys pen for bleed overkill?

[left whale]

Like each minions have types

Like wraith has poison wraith, fire wraith

[zenith current]

if i have 3 different skele mages, 3 different skeletons, 2 different golems, 3 different wraiths, is that 11x 20% more damage and attack speed or?

oh so i guess golems doesnt work?

and its like 20% more per skill slot if you have all types, ig?

[left whale]

For golem its tricky

[zenith current]

yeah for golems its impossible without chest

[left whale]

Yea

But u get a lotta base dmg

I think 60 base dmg just from absorbing one golem

[worthy compass]

Anyone got any ideas on how to really calc the damage here ?
Trying to see if low life ES/Evasion is even worth it.
I'm also not sure if having Reaper Form is worth instead of grabbing Rip blood for ward gain
https://www.lastepochtools.com/planner/B4yqdD9o

[stuck owl]

Lich, Level 100

Game Cycle / Version:

Beneath Ancient Skies / 1.3

Class:

Acolyte (21) / Lich (92)

General:

▸ Health: 1,542, Regen: 0/s
▸ Mana: 157.51, Regen: 12.48/s
▸ Ward Retention: 359%, Regen: 87/s
▸ Attributes: 16 Str / 27 Dex / 132 Int / 16 Att / 67 Vit
▸ Resistances: 79% / 79% / 79% / 87% / 61% / 194% / 160%

Defenses:

▸ Endurance: 30%, Threshold: 308
▸ Dodge Chance: 80% (8359)
▸ Armor Mitigation: 11% (271)
▸ Crit Avoidance: 99%

Used skills:

Flay / Marrow Shards / Reaper Form / Death Seal / Transplant

[left whale]

Using that chest and some nodes should get u like atleast 4 golems

Thats a lot of base dmg

[zenith current]

I think the strongest dot ability is probably fire golem with a metric ton of skeletons.

aight, cooking vit stacking necro

[radiant ocean]

Have you looked into solo-Abom poison aura? It can get real nutty chace to poison and massive amounts of generic More damage, but I find the raw number of damage hard to calc-

but vit stacking for that seems insane

[zenith current]

I dont think it has the multipliers compared to infernal aura

if you can just keep feeding it, youre only really limited by your mana/cast speed

[harsh warren]

speaking of feeding it, with the new achiveable 100% skeleton resummon chance, cruelty skeleton mill might be funny and doable

[zenith current]

Where's that from

need this tech in this

[harsh warren]

40% on passives, 40% in skill tree, curse/minion set shield

[radiant ocean]

Ah, it lasts for 10 seconds, thats how much time you can feed it right?

[harsh warren]

we used to be able to get to like, 83%?

[obtuse quest]

Trust LETools more than me.

(And double check with tunklabs)

[little wigeon]

Marrow shards was ok dmg. If you look up "wacsa" in this thread, he does some calcs. You are missing out on chaos bolt, it does insane dmg in comparison

[worthy compass]

I am thinking about mana stacking, was about to make another version based on it

Chaos bolts would probably be what this moved to after getting the right Idols

[zenith current]

Well that's super strong then, provided the churning doesn't stop the golem in its tracks

[harsh warren]

def can't use cruelty with your golems, it'll blow those up too

this would have to be a discrete build, but the consumption talk reminded me to look into it

[little wigeon]

You will want mourningfrost boots to give marrow some spell dmg, otherwise it has like none

[forest mica]

@radiant ocean But for the weapon, I still can't make sure which one should I use...

[worthy compass]

I feel there are better ways to give yourself spell damage considering this build uses almost 0 dex

[grim rune]

wait wait wait....

so with 2000% bleed chance

[harsh warren]

Do you have a planner link for your current setup? I wanna peep your bleed sources

[little wigeon]

And that's where chaos bolts comes in with the axe for flat spell, not ez to scale marrow flat spell

[grim rune]

im still cooking XD

[harsh warren]

hahaha fair

[grim rune]

if Im right with 2k% bleed chance and full ingnite to bleed conversion I apply 6k bleed every sec ?

just from profane

[zenith current]

Oh shit

this is some funky shit

[forest mica]

Horn of the wisp: Intelligence bonus, skill level bonus
Usuper's mandate: minion necrotic penetration, health bonus
Scales of Lemniscate: Minion necrotic penetration, dread shade's buff, health bonus

[worthy compass]

Well it would be 2k bleed chance which would be 20 bleeds per second because it's 2k/100

[little wigeon]

Yea lol 😆

[zenith current]

Made a build around Legends Entwined, 4 sets

Funky af

[grim rune]

lmfao ye

hard maths

[worthy compass]

It's fine I've done it plenty of times

Imagine how I felt when I learned that % reflected damage actually does less the more defense you had.
That was a trippy thing

[gaunt abyss]

What the best way to stack mana?

[zenith current]

idols

[worthy compass]

Yea

[zenith current]

and apparently you can craft % mana affixes but that's a bug so i would not use that

[grim rune]

It's still hard to calculate how much bleed I will apply per sec including 2x fissure, all spirit hits + bleed rip blood + bleed cb

[zenith current]

didn't hear from me you can put rogue/sentinel % mana affixes on gear

[left whale]

Unless u got a really good offhand catalyst

[worthy compass]

You should be able to craft them on a good number of pieces

[zenith current]

Wasn't me

[zenith current]

i'm talking %, not flat

[gaunt abyss]

Thanks.
I wonna do some hybrid that do flay> proc CB> proc rip blood and harvest

[left whale]

Does Dot crit?

[zenith current]

% is only available to rogue and sentinel, technically

[grim rune]

no

[zenith current]

Nope!

[left whale]

Damn

[zenith current]

and only chest and helmet

[worthy compass]

Wouldn't it be your amount of stacks per hit x how many times you attack per second right?

[worthy compass]

Oh I was not aware of that.

[grim rune]

the most important thing is... do we have some tech to 'consume' bleed stacks?

[worthy compass]

Not on acolyte that I'm tracking

[little wigeon]

Yes but it's not considered a rogue/sentinel only affix. It just doesn't appear there on other classes. I feel like it was the same with some attributes

[worthy compass]

Now is there a better Idol than Minor Weaver Idols?

[zenith current]

Doesn't stop you from crafting it on gear

[zenith current]

Nope!

[worthy compass]

Figured.

[little wigeon]

That's what I'm saying... lol

[worthy compass]

Can you craft it on another toon and then just put it on

[zenith current]

the point is it's not supposed to be craftable on necro gear but it can be

[little wigeon]

Because it's not a sentinel only affix you can craft it

It's not class locked tho

[zenith current]

yeah, thats a bug

abuse until inevitable nerf 😛

[little wigeon]

How is it a bug if it's not a sentinel only affix

[zenith current]

it is a sentinel/rogue only affix

[obtuse quest]

Nope!

Not on Acolyte

[worthy compass]

Because technically it is, but it's not marked right

[little wigeon]

In the section on sentinel affixes it doesn't show, it's under mana

It's a mana affix. Not a class affix

[zenith current]

https://www.lastepochtools.com/db/prefixes/AMzCMQ

[worthy compass]

Yup, there it is

[zenith current]

"Requires Item Class: Sentinel / Rogue"

That part

is not working rn

[obtuse quest]

The required item class effectively means it can only be applied to Sentinel and Rogue locked items.

Or supposed to anyway.

[zenith current]

Yup, but it can be applied to acolyte gear rn

that's the bug

[worthy compass]

So basically we can craft it, use it, but we can only craft it if it's on a character of that class

[zenith current]

Technically, but that's not how it works.

[worthy compass]

Wait do we not need the alternate toon?

[zenith current]

not sure if you need alternate toon, point is necro can still use it

[upper badger]

you dont need a toon

[worthy compass]

I get that

[little wigeon]

I'd have to go in game cuz it's not coded that way

[upper badger]

since you just filter for mana % on acolyte

offclass items still drop

[worthy compass]

Hmm. Interesting.

[little wigeon]

But I guess if it's intended or not

Problem is its a helm/chest so you get your own class way more often than other classes

[worthy compass]

So I could use the % mana on Wings of Discord 👀

While true, just add it on your filter

[zenith current]

nothing stopping you from putting 1 % mana affix then roll a t6-7 exalt unto it

[little wigeon]

Oh true there ya go